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| 02:18.32 | Dustin|Work | Fuuudge |
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| 06:00.25 | Goa | wow |
| 06:00.45 | Goa | it will take blizz 2 patches to fix 2.1.4 |
| 06:01.01 | Goa | they are getting really professional these days |
| 06:01.24 | TwoDie | unity games ftw !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufUeckmOt74 |
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| 06:07.26 | Goa | TwoDie more like mobile games |
| 06:11.53 | TwoDie | wooooooooooohhhhh unity! |
| 06:14.37 | TwoDie | yay zombies!! |
| 06:14.49 | TwoDie | and i want to quest my quest |
| 06:15.06 | TwoDie | ** and I quest to quest my quest |
| 06:21.31 | TwoDie | ok questing wow time |
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| 08:18.17 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 08:28.18 | TwoDie | J word |
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| 08:48.39 | IskatuMesk | butter |
| 08:48.42 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 08:48.49 | IskatuMesk | how massages your mandibles |
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| 10:20.32 | Zolden | Ahli_ how much they want for a virtual ticket this year? |
| 10:23.39 | IskatuMesk | MAN TEMPER PENIS IN OWN GAP, ENHARDEN |
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| 10:24.35 | Ahli_ | 30ยค/40$ I believe... insane prices if you think about the price of their new games... |
| 10:24.43 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 10:24.47 | IskatuMesk | what is a virtual ticket |
| 10:24.59 | Merc | but you get portraits man |
| 10:25.06 | Ahli_ | proceeds to play civ4 |
| 10:25.06 | IskatuMesk | is that like canadaland funbucks |
| 10:25.08 | Merc | so worth it when you consider the portraits |
| 10:25.14 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 10:26.23 | Tomura | sure |
| 10:26.33 | Zolden | Ahli_ insane indeed, they could get more projit if selling for like 5$ and have huge masses purchacing it ;/ |
| 10:26.55 | Zolden | maybe their servers just aren't strong enough to let millions watch |
| 10:27.37 | IskatuMesk | oh you must be talking about that stream that people for some reason pay for despite restreaming/recording |
| 10:27.41 | IskatuMesk | and the fact it's all boring |
| 10:28.16 | IskatuMesk | it's $40? really? that's crazy |
| 10:28.32 | Zolden | yes, it all is boring, only about 2-3 hours of a fun video remaining after all |
| 10:32.37 | IskatuMesk | though I have to admit it is amazing people pay for video, regardless of content |
| 10:36.41 | IskatuMesk | speaking of video, it's almost time I finally started symphony of the night' |
| 10:37.26 | Merc | pay for video |
| 10:37.29 | Merc | people pay to watch tv |
| 10:37.33 | Merc | same stuff I guess |
| 10:37.45 | Merc | I even have to pay a license to own a tv |
| 10:38.21 | IskatuMesk | tv is full of ads though... |
| 10:38.28 | IskatuMesk | wait... you pay a LICENSE for a tv? |
| 10:38.30 | IskatuMesk | how does that work? |
| 10:39.04 | IskatuMesk | I find it crazy anyone watches tv, I don't know how anyone can stand the ads and volume fuckery |
| 10:40.07 | IskatuMesk | at least over here, ads are always like twice the volume of actual programs |
| 10:40.16 | IskatuMesk | loudness war etc |
| 10:40.19 | TwoDie | people that fully commit to their interest of the game like WoW.. that they pay for every month |
| 10:40.34 | IskatuMesk | yes... unfortunately I have experience in that... what a waste |
| 10:41.15 | IskatuMesk | poorly disguised pyschological scamming |
| 10:41.25 | TwoDie | ohh yes, i reallt wasted today 2 hours on wow.. had 2 chars to level 5-6 |
| 10:41.32 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 10:41.59 | Zolden | lol indeed |
| 10:42.26 | Merc | gotta pay a license to own a tv in norway |
| 10:42.31 | IskatuMesk | wow |
| 10:42.33 | IskatuMesk | why? |
| 10:43.00 | Merc | something about running the state channel and the infrastructure itself |
| 10:43.05 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 10:43.23 | Merc | by law we need a channel where no corporate media or advertisement is in control |
| 10:43.28 | IskatuMesk | congratulations, you managed to find something so fucked up I am not sure canada has an immediate answer for it |
| 10:43.39 | Merc | the channel is owned and paid for by the public |
| 10:43.47 | IskatuMesk | though on the opposing end, we want to get rid of journalism neutrality |
| 10:43.49 | Tomura | same in Germany, but you have to pay even if you don't own a TV |
| 10:43.56 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 10:44.13 | Merc | probably is the same in a lot of places, except it's covered by taxes there |
| 10:44.40 | Merc | it's a social democratic solution to a problem that doesn't really exist but is potentiall there :D |
| 10:44.44 | IskatuMesk | I figured tv would be on a huge decline with the internet and all, but then I remember canada's big push to get rid of internet and get people back onto cable |
| 10:45.16 | Merc | norway's tv channel just expanded to the internet |
| 10:45.20 | IskatuMesk | dat throttling and dem bandwidth limits |
| 10:45.31 | Merc | we can stream all shows that were produced the last two weeks or something |
| 10:45.40 | Merc | but you dont need a tv for that |
| 10:45.45 | IskatuMesk | streaming in general is a bad idea for canadians |
| 10:45.46 | Merc | which kinda sucks |
| 10:46.02 | IskatuMesk | you'll end up footing $100+ when you hit your bandwidth cap, which could happen very easily with any half decent quality strea, |
| 10:46.27 | IskatuMesk | assuming it's even realistic to stream, eastern canada in most places is abhorrent |
| 10:46.35 | Merc | bandwidth cap? |
| 10:46.38 | Merc | wtf |
| 10:46.38 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 10:46.52 | IskatuMesk | remember when america was like "we want to introduce usage based billing" and there was a huge backlash? |
| 10:47.01 | IskatuMesk | canada was like "we want to pay more for less! bring on the increased charges!" |
| 10:47.03 | IskatuMesk | and so it was |
| 10:47.19 | IskatuMesk | you can have unlimited bandwidth where I am, it starts at $155 a month for dialup speeds |
| 10:47.26 | Tomura | wow |
| 10:47.32 | Merc | actually I think we have a sort of cap for mobile data |
| 10:47.43 | Merc | or most providers do |
| 10:47.58 | IskatuMesk | I think most places have a mobile cap... I hear that canada's mobile plans are utter atrocious, but I wouldn't touch a phone with a 69 foot pole, so I wouldn't know |
| 10:48.16 | IskatuMesk | this is strictly internet |
| 10:48.35 | TwoDie | so retarded are you there? :s |
| 10:48.38 | IskatuMesk | if we had some american competition it may not be so bad, but we outlawed foreign business practice |
| 10:48.42 | IskatuMesk | indeed |
| 10:49.11 | IskatuMesk | I know of a single canadian who has a respectable connection |
| 10:49.26 | IskatuMesk | and he's in like, the most densely populated area of the country |
| 10:49.45 | IskatuMesk | everyone else pays out the ass for constant packet loss, DNS failure, outages, and throttling :D |
| 10:49.59 | Merc | company pays for my phone bill anyway so I dont care :p |
| 10:50.04 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 10:50.26 | Merc | "you have exceeded your montly cap" first week of the month every month |
| 10:50.29 | IskatuMesk | rofl |
| 10:51.05 | IskatuMesk | canada is especially great when you actually follow the pricing changes |
| 10:51.25 | IskatuMesk | 8 years ago I was paying $60 a month for 3mbit up. Now I pay $80 for 3mbit up + bandwidth cap |
| 10:51.56 | IskatuMesk | eastern is like, $80 a month for 1/4 the speed at best |
| 10:52.07 | IskatuMesk | except in toronto I guess |
| 10:52.27 | IskatuMesk | (though I know a guy in toronto who pays that much for shitty rogers, so maybe the one guy is really lucky) |
| 10:52.29 | TwoDie | so why you still live there? you could always search in other countries for better internet!! |
| 10:52.35 | IskatuMesk | I wish I could |
| 10:52.38 | IskatuMesk | but I am a poorfag |
| 10:52.56 | IskatuMesk | and can't survive on my own due to my disabilities |
| 10:53.16 | TwoDie | well then |
| 10:53.29 | IskatuMesk | at least I get front row seats to watching the world burn |
| 10:54.18 | TwoDie | if you count it as advantage.. |
| 10:54.29 | TwoDie | good for you, you disabled person! |
| 10:54.29 | IskatuMesk | gotta take your victories when you get 'em |
| 10:54.32 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 11:11.58 | IskatuMesk | yaay, fear retakes are done. Only minor shit left for me in this audio project now |
| 11:13.21 | IskatuMesk | time to start thinking about release media, and where I will post it |
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| 12:01.08 | Rommper | hell o |
| 12:01.30 | TwoDie | . |
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| 14:37.33 | Rommper | szia |
| 14:38.04 | TwoDie | so who ready for todays sc2 arcade EU map night? |
| 14:38.13 | TwoDie | JK!! |
| 14:39.35 | Rommper | i will go to a concert most likely |
| 14:42.04 | TwoDie | you go girl |
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| 14:52.58 | Ahli_ | is the 2.1.5 patch 200+mb? |
| 14:57.46 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 15:13.28 | Ahli_ | well... why? ;D |
| 15:15.17 | Rommper | why do ppl care so much about mb? |
| 15:15.57 | Dustin | Cause they broke a ton of shit |
| 15:16.06 | Dustin | Bastards |
| 15:16.15 | Ahli_ | my current bandwith is horrible :D but I will return to my appartment next week... |
| 15:23.37 | Dustin|Home | Man, I want to play some damn heroes of the storm |
| 15:37.30 | IskatuMesk | I want to play bubsy 3d |
| 15:37.34 | IskatuMesk | but, priorities |
| 15:57.19 | Zandose | could someone tell me if this math looks correct? DistanceBetweenPoints3D General - Return (Square root((+ (((X of NewPoint) * (X of NewPoint)), ((Y of NewPoint) * (Y of NewPoint)), ((Height of NewPoint) * (Height of NewPoint)))))) |
| 15:58.15 | Zandose | sorry this is the correct code.... |
| 15:58.15 | Zandose | Variable - Set NewPoint = (Point2 - Point1) |
| 15:58.16 | Zandose | General - Return (Square root((+ (((X of NewPoint) * (X of NewPoint)), ((Y of NewPoint) * (Y of NewPoint)), ((Height of NewPoint) * (Height of NewPoint)))))) |
| 16:15.18 | Rommper | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/6718_10153384018145476_2339376741732107100_n.png?oh=a4ce20658d75870d0a37b0d427716512&oe=54B971C6&__gda__=1422945834_8932dbf05c74d6b200efabde54aa446d |
| 16:26.06 | TwoDie | look some shit said.. get that traffic going http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-03-us-military-can-learn-from-game-marketing-says-ex-call-of-duty-director |
| 16:28.29 | Goa | Wow, that article would really go well on the Onion news site |
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| 16:32.46 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 16:32.59 | ArcanePariah | sup JademusSreg |
| 16:33.32 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SKbZJy-ZK0 |
| 16:34.00 | ArcanePariah | Have I missed anything wild or crazy in here in my absence? |
| 16:34.52 | TwoDie | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-03-us-military-can-learn-from-game-marketing-says-ex-call-of-duty-director |
| 16:35.19 | TwoDie | and canadas dailup internet speeds for full price |
| 16:36.30 | ArcanePariah | of course you can treat those things like a game, I swear everyone forgot about game theory and what it applies to. |
| 16:37.50 | Rommper | hi |
| 16:45.42 | Dustin|Home | helloo |
| 16:50.47 | ArcanePariah | hey Dustin|Home |
| 16:51.29 | ArcanePariah | Random note: Flu = sucks |
| 17:00.51 | Dustin|Home | yaa |
| 17:01.03 | Dustin|Home | Ive had some upper respritory crap this last week |
| 17:24.01 | ArcanePariah | Thankfully, I'm now over it and won't have to deal with it later. |
| 17:24.45 | Rommper | good to hear :) |
| 17:25.22 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, still dealing with a cough, but otherwise recovered... just in time to start class (yay!... not) |
| 17:27.27 | ArcanePariah | The other that sucks is it is blazing hot here... Where I live we get a weather phonemomon where winds change direction and start blowing down from the high desert towards the ocean, leading to very hot windy days. Going to be 100 (37 C) + today |
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| 17:41.37 | Zolden | TwoDie anything new today? |
| 17:42.06 | TwoDie | no |
| 17:42.14 | TwoDie | played wow mostly and other shit |
| 17:42.28 | Zolden | is wow fun to play? |
| 17:42.29 | TwoDie | idk what but little shit here and there and day is over |
| 17:42.38 | TwoDie | somewhat |
| 17:42.59 | Zolden | would u recommend wow to other ppl? |
| 17:43.01 | TwoDie | when you get those levels going and items progress in any mmo going |
| 17:43.07 | TwoDie | then yeah some fun is gained |
| 17:43.30 | Zolden | yea, they made this way |
| 17:43.34 | TwoDie | but when its getting into grinding all day to get very shit progress it dies of quicly |
| 17:43.37 | TwoDie | yeah |
| 17:43.40 | Zolden | learn game design |
| 17:43.56 | Zolden | may be useful for your unity games |
| 17:44.48 | Zolden | i'm in subway and wanna pee |
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| 17:50.16 | Zolden | Goa what about u? |
| 17:50.39 | Goa | nothing |
| 17:50.44 | Dustin|Home | Zolden! did you unshadow my saw? :D |
| 17:51.31 | Zolden | Dustin yea, just lemme get home and pee, will be first i do |
| 17:53.45 | Dustin|Home | Woot, ty sir |
| 18:06.04 | IskatuMesk | what shadow |
| 18:06.47 | IskatuMesk | shadowcasting should be a material option I think |
| 18:07.29 | IskatuMesk | not sure if you can hex that, though... |
| 18:07.30 | Dustin|Home | this is hardcoded into the model |
| 18:07.38 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 18:07.49 | IskatuMesk | then you'll need to reconvert... I hope it has no particles or effects associated with it |
| 18:08.08 | Dustin|Home | Zolden is pulling the shadow out for me |
| 18:09.00 | IskatuMesk | I need to edit out the shadows they baked onto stuff like the viking gatling gunsd |
| 18:09.13 | IskatuMesk | looks... extremely dumb when spinning, haha |
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| 18:43.30 | Zolden | zoldren are you like me? |
| 18:43.50 | zoldren | penis |
| 18:43.54 | Zolden | good |
| 18:44.28 | zoldren | why u talking to yourself? |
| 18:44.44 | Zolden | bitch, quiet, i'm pretending we're different people |
| 18:45.32 | zoldren | oh i dont care, no time for ur shit |
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| 18:49.04 | Dustin|Home | Welp, found what was broke in the patch for my map , http://puu.sh/bXSF9/b0bfff7a0e.png |
| 18:49.31 | Zolden | what "welp" means? |
| 18:51.07 | greybeard | it's an internetism for "well" |
| 18:51.16 | Zolden | ok :) |
| 18:51.24 | Zolden | Dustin|Home and what those errors mean? |
| 18:52.11 | ArcanePariah | hello greybeard |
| 18:52.23 | greybeard | ahoy |
| 18:52.35 | ArcanePariah | And those errors, I've had some of those recently as well, it appears some of the function passing is fucking up. |
| 18:53.17 | Dustin|Home | No idea so far |
| 18:53.28 | Dustin|Home | It's like it stoped parsing my function right |
| 18:53.36 | Dustin|Home | Im making some changes to the logic |
| 18:53.39 | Dustin|Home | To see if that fixes it |
| 18:54.25 | Zolden | ok... time to finally run sc2... 1/2 years of not doing it, and now this torture again... why, blizzard! why!!! |
| 18:54.40 | Zolden | hope it won't lure me back from unity |
| 18:55.24 | Zolden | I need unity ariadna thread to lead me out of bnet bowels |
| 18:55.28 | Dustin|Home | wtf that wag was running like it was in slotime and everything was running like it was 4x slower |
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| 19:34.53 | Tomura | ugh ... I love and hate the days when a new major UE4 patch comes out ... a lot of great new features and a lot of API changes that mess everything up |
| 19:42.33 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 19:43.05 | IskatuMesk | yeah, I'd be a bit worried about the volatility of the new engine were I making a big project in it... but I guess I'd worry about making levels and assets first |
| 19:43.32 | Tomura | most of the stuff seems to happen in the movement stuff |
| 19:43.47 | Tomura | and I override a lot of functions |
| 19:43.58 | IskatuMesk | was there ever a good lava material made for UDK? |
| 19:44.19 | Tomura | hmmm what does count as good? |
| 19:44.21 | IskatuMesk | does unreal 4's demo come as a scene with it? with that amazing lava? I kept looking for good examples but couldn't find any that played the part |
| 19:44.33 | IskatuMesk | well, most lava looks like cheese |
| 19:44.35 | Tomura | the Elemental Demo? |
| 19:44.35 | IskatuMesk | 'and not like molten rock |
| 19:44.37 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 19:44.39 | Tomura | yes |
| 19:44.43 | IskatuMesk | orly |
| 19:44.55 | IskatuMesk | all the more reason to use unreal 4 when the time comes, then |
| 19:44.55 | Tomura | textures are a bit reduced in resolution compared to the trailer |
| 19:45.05 | IskatuMesk | well, I can fabricate textures with filter forge |
| 19:45.10 | IskatuMesk | it was the material itself I couldn't find |
| 19:45.11 | Tomura | but that's probably to keep the download small |
| 19:45.14 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 19:45.37 | Tomura | the only thing that is missing is the infiltrator demo |
| 19:46.16 | IskatuMesk | the big difference between udk and u4 for me is I'd have to reprocess the lineage 2 and tera models etc in 3ds max before importing them as fbx, while in udk I can just import the psas straight out of their games |
| 19:46.41 | IskatuMesk | makes for quite a bit of extra work when I think about how many hundreds I have to do.. |
| 19:46.57 | IskatuMesk | (though, were my sc2 project to go places, I'd have to do that for sc2 anyways) |
| 19:48.43 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/IxXXBaG.png |
| 19:49.21 | IskatuMesk | basically, I want to redo as much of sc2's terrain and doodads as I can |
| 19:49.47 | IskatuMesk | anything I don't outright replace I am redoing the normal maps for using mindtex |
| 19:50.45 | IskatuMesk | although another big problem would be generating PBL textures for all of those assets... |
| 19:50.53 | IskatuMesk | I don't actually know how to do that |
| 19:51.09 | Zolden | Dustin|Home ok, tell me its m3 name |
| 19:51.11 | TwoDie | crusader knights 2 on steam 2 days free |
| 19:53.22 | Zolden | oh, one more update to sc2 |
| 19:53.35 | Zolden | Dustin|Home maybe it fix what was fucked? |
| 19:54.38 | Tomura | shouldn't be too hard to generate PBR textures for them, unless you really want to use the advantages |
| 19:55.04 | Tomura | Roughness is just inverted gloss |
| 19:55.11 | Tomura | metallness ist pretty intuitive |
| 19:55.13 | IskatuMesk | well, the diffuse can't have any lighting information from what I understand |
| 19:55.27 | Tomura | yeah it shouldn't have |
| 19:55.44 | Zolden | wtf is battletag? |
| 19:55.56 | Zolden | client wants me to create it |
| 19:57.41 | Zolden | shit doesn't even let me run editor without creating battletag |
| 19:57.48 | Zolden | blizzard is insane |
| 19:58.20 | IskatuMesk | I don't see that |
| 19:58.27 | IskatuMesk | I'd just use "hitler" |
| 20:00.34 | Zolden | hitler is already taken |
| 20:01.05 | IskatuMesk | what about comrade putin |
| 20:02.10 | Zolden | it may compromise me when putin will be deposed |
| 20:02.15 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 20:02.22 | Zolden | i don't want to be associated with tyrany regime |
| 20:02.49 | IskatuMesk | the NSA will knock down your door and charge in, flamethrowers blazing |
| 20:05.23 | Zolden | Dustin|Home can't find saw model |
| 20:06.01 | IskatuMesk | only saw model I know of is the terratron one |
| 20:06.05 | IskatuMesk | but maybe not the one he's after |
| 20:06.13 | Zolden | oh, found it, it's campaign |
| 20:16.32 | TwoDie | lul.. played Rome barbarian Invasion expansion.. after few turns my ally Eastern Rome declared war on me... cause fuck it |
| 20:20.21 | Zolden | MUA HA HA |
| 20:20.26 | Zolden | DEAL WITH IT! |
| 20:21.03 | Zolden | declares war on TwoDie |
| 20:25.50 | TwoDie | farts constantly |
| 20:26.40 | Zolden | puts a cork into TwoDie |
| 20:27.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~Eric@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:29.58 | Zolden | Dustin|Home u here? |
| 20:30.04 | Zolden | saw looks a bit different now |
| 20:30.11 | Zolden | need to check if you ok about it |
| 20:39.06 | Zolden | Dustin|Home http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/52/270/saw.m3 |
| 21:05.14 | Kazimir | Anyone know how to exclude triggers as a source for a trigger event? |
| 21:05.47 | Kazimir | I want my "unit created" event to only go off for things created by an ingame unit. |
| 21:06.59 | Zolden | vaguely remembering some falgs somwhere |
| 21:07.01 | Zolden | flags |
| 21:07.23 | Zolden | crap, i'm useless |
| 21:07.29 | Zolden | ask something about unity maybe? |
| 21:07.32 | Kazimir | lol |
| 21:07.38 | Kazimir | as in Unity engine? |
| 21:07.43 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:07.56 | Kazimir | Alright, It's C++ based, right? |
| 21:08.01 | Zolden | C# |
| 21:08.12 | Kazimir | So...carries over relatively well. |
| 21:08.15 | Zolden | which is the same |
| 21:08.49 | Kazimir | I need an engine for a voxel game. I'm worried about overhead considering the level of granular interaction the player will have. |
| 21:09.04 | Zolden | what's voxel? |
| 21:11.19 | Zolden | Kazimir waht if you put a shortly living behavior to mark your trigger created units, and other triggers would check if unit created has that behavior |
| 21:11.36 | Zolden | it can have duration of 1 sec to disappear then forever |
| 21:11.59 | Kazimir | because checking that would (I believe) take just as much. Also, it's 5000+ units |
| 21:12.32 | Kazimir | (Voxel is a world generation system using point to point planes |
| 21:12.40 | Kazimir | think minecraft. |
| 21:14.56 | Kazimir | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel |
| 21:16.27 | Zolden | yea, it's doable in unity, A1win done |
| 21:17.03 | A1win | can't do anything close to the scale of minecraft in Unity |
| 21:17.06 | Zolden | 5000+ units will lag badly in sc2 wiwthout triggers |
| 21:17.57 | A1win | mesh generation is really slow in Unity, because there's no way to avoid garbage (as far as I know), and it begins to choke because of garbage collection |
| 21:18.31 | Zolden | A1win maybe particles can be used for it? |
| 21:18.52 | A1win | well, then you'd need to handle collisions yourself |
| 21:19.02 | A1win | since you wouldn't have collision meshes |
| 21:19.13 | A1win | though I suppose it'd be somewhat simple in a voxel terrain |
| 21:19.14 | Zolden | with voxel boxes it isn't that hard, i'd suppose |
| 21:19.22 | IskatuMesk | I'll handle YOUR collision |
| 21:19.40 | Zolden | i'll collide your handle |
| 21:19.56 | A1win | anyway, you *can* make a voxel engine in unity, just not as efficient as minecraft (which already is pretty unefficient) |
| 21:24.24 | IskatuMesk | I have an unmanageable number of "fuck2" sc2maps |
| 21:26.11 | Kazimir | Then there isn't much point to me doing it in unity :-P |
| 21:26.21 | IskatuMesk | ogre 3d |
| 21:26.37 | IskatuMesk | or... if you really like a trampled fanny... XNA |
| 21:31.11 | Kazimir | http://0fps.net/2012/06/30/meshing-in-a-minecraft-game/ |
| 21:34.30 | IskatuMesk | you could take the stardock way out and make it in .net |
| 21:35.32 | IskatuMesk | bonus points if you can get it to corrupt its own memory as often as they did |
| 21:36.30 | IskatuMesk | getting to the stage where I can't really polish this much more |
| 21:36.34 | IskatuMesk | almost done :D:D:D |
| 21:37.19 | Kazimir | stardock makes me sad :-( |
| 21:37.36 | IskatuMesk | they make me mad |
| 21:37.54 | Kazimir | I want to like them...but they keep fucking up. |
| 21:38.10 | Zolden | does any of you have an android device? |
| 21:38.12 | IskatuMesk | sins of a solar empire... 3 expansions and they couldn't bother to do anything actually productive with the game |
| 21:38.23 | IskatuMesk | like fix the abhorrent AI and performance |
| 21:38.25 | Zolden | i need one fucking rate to be able to put my game on the propaganda machine |
| 21:38.37 | Kazimir | I do. |
| 21:38.44 | Kazimir | Zolden, is this the block game again? |
| 21:38.51 | Zolden | Kazimir can u download my game and rate it on google plus? |
| 21:38.56 | Kazimir | I still have it downloaded and rated :-P |
| 21:39.02 | Zolden | oh, you have done it already :) |
| 21:39.07 | Zolden | alright |
| 21:39.28 | Kazimir | Also Zolden, the 5000 units are fine since they are static and have no animations or interactions beyond pathing. |
| 21:39.32 | Kazimir | They are just trees. |
| 21:39.33 | Kazimir | :-P |
| 21:39.40 | IskatuMesk | trees of death |
| 21:39.43 | IskatuMesk | and hate |
| 21:39.49 | Kazimir | The problem was my "unit created" trigger going nuts as the forest is generated. |
| 21:39.52 | IskatuMesk | did you get the attack wave shit sorted out? |
| 21:39.56 | Kazimir | Nope. |
| 21:40.02 | IskatuMesk | what is still broken? |
| 21:40.06 | Zolden | Kazimir units are still lag. But if you make trees as pure actors, they may not lag that much |
| 21:40.19 | Kazimir | Zolden, they need to be destructible. |
| 21:40.20 | Kazimir | :-P |
| 21:40.28 | IskatuMesk | the lag in the map is really weird |
| 21:40.29 | Zolden | have you tried it? |
| 21:40.29 | Kazimir | anyway, they aren't giving me trouble |
| 21:40.34 | IskatuMesk | it doesn't actually lag until the AI spawns shit |
| 21:40.45 | Kazimir | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/cluster2.gif |
| 21:40.47 | Zolden | well, maybe they have some improvements in sc2 code, dunno |
| 21:40.50 | Kazimir | ^Current AI behavior. |
| 21:40.57 | IskatuMesk | is that using triggers or melee? |
| 21:41.05 | Zolden | what fps do you have with all those units on map? |
| 21:41.17 | Kazimir | how do I check? |
| 21:41.25 | IskatuMesk | those are not right clicks... |
| 21:41.26 | Zolden | alt ctrl f |
| 21:41.27 | IskatuMesk | weird... |
| 21:41.36 | Kazimir | Iskatu, that's the AI giving commands |
| 21:41.47 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 21:41.57 | Kazimir | holding ~45fps |
| 21:42.02 | IskatuMesk | something about your map is satanically possessed |
| 21:42.14 | Zolden | and what is your fps on empty map? |
| 21:42.22 | Kazimir | Panning fast across the map drops it to just over 30 |
| 21:42.24 | Kazimir | let me check |
| 21:43.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin|Work (~Dustin_He@216.240.30.25) |
| 21:43.56 | Kazimir | ~80fps |
| 21:44.08 | Zolden | not that big drop i'd say |
| 21:44.18 | Zolden | maybe they fixed mass units lag |
| 21:44.35 | Zolden | Dustin|Work http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/52/270/saw.m3 |
| 21:44.41 | IskatuMesk | I remember the AI was pathing fine in the changes I made, it was just the random trees they hated that was the issue (with the melee AI, the triggered waves needed APM to navigate fast IIRC) |
| 21:44.42 | Kazimir | It's because they have no AI, no fidgets, no actor events, no animations, no interaction with lighting for shadows. |
| 21:45.25 | Kazimir | IskatuMesk, I never got rid of those trees, because they were relatively important for the gameplay. |
| 21:45.43 | IskatuMesk | that spot isn't at a tree either |
| 21:45.49 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 21:45.50 | Kazimir | What I WANTED was for the AI to stop trying to attack the trees and stop being an idiot when pathing. |
| 21:46.07 | IskatuMesk | then the triggered attack waves seem ideal |
| 21:46.14 | IskatuMesk | I think we established that |
| 21:46.20 | IskatuMesk | what are you setting for the target? |
| 21:46.28 | Kazimir | I switched back to "stupid" attack orders at the moment. |
| 21:46.35 | IskatuMesk | and do you have Wait or Don't Wait on the attack trigger |
| 21:46.39 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 21:46.41 | Kazimir | the target is point(location of unit) |
| 21:46.51 | IskatuMesk | I'd just set it to enemies of player tbh |
| 21:46.55 | Kazimir | and I tried with both wait and don't wait. |
| 21:47.04 | Kazimir | enemies of player doesn't get the spread I want |
| 21:47.15 | Kazimir | the target is assigned per unit (which guarantees an even spread) |
| 21:47.29 | IskatuMesk | but do they attack properly with it? |
| 21:47.50 | Kazimir | They haven't attacked properly with anything as far as I can tell. |
| 21:47.54 | IskatuMesk | the goal is mostly to isolate issues |
| 21:47.57 | IskatuMesk | really? weird |
| 21:48.07 | IskatuMesk | I remembered it working with campaign AI and triggered attack waves |
| 21:48.14 | Kazimir | I'll do it again. |
| 21:48.18 | IskatuMesk | they just didn't really spread out since, yeah, the target was the player |
| 21:48.45 | IskatuMesk | but that can be sorted out once it's ensured they work at all |
| 21:49.35 | IskatuMesk | like.. |
| 21:49.37 | IskatuMesk | that gif... |
| 21:49.40 | IskatuMesk | that is REALLY weird |
| 21:49.46 | IskatuMesk | like they are trying to attack each other's points |
| 21:49.51 | IskatuMesk | like it isn't sorting targets properly |
| 21:50.06 | IskatuMesk | or some invisible crap |
| 21:50.23 | Kazimir | ok, testing with campaign AI, 20k APM, treating trees as allies, hard difficulty, targeting random units owned by the opposing player (it cycles through for each player) |
| 21:52.53 | IskatuMesk | would be easy if sc2 had the equivalent of brood war's random attack opcode |
| 21:53.04 | IskatuMesk | then you'd just run that for every wave :3 |
| 21:53.05 | IskatuMesk | but alas |
| 21:53.24 | Kazimir | It has the Suicide function :-/ |
| 21:53.34 | Kazimir | which is just "attack the nearest enemy unit until dead" |
| 21:53.36 | IskatuMesk | I have never tred that |
| 21:53.49 | IskatuMesk | I used it in brood war but... sc2 may act differently |
| 21:53.59 | IskatuMesk | I try not to overcomplicate things initially |
| 21:54.34 | IskatuMesk | the goal would be to first to get the attack waves to work and attack you, then worry about choosing random targets |
| 21:55.38 | IskatuMesk | the choosing targets thing may just be bugged or something |
| 21:55.52 | IskatuMesk | but we won't know until we have a foundation to go from that does work |
| 21:56.45 | IskatuMesk | I was able to get it to work quite well with just setting enemies of player x as the target, so there must be some other tony trapped in the crank |
| 21:59.26 | Kazimir | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/cycle%202.gif |
| 21:59.31 | Kazimir | It's baaaaack |
| 21:59.32 | Kazimir | lol |
| 21:59.41 | Kazimir | I'll try the "enemies of player" this time |
| 21:59.55 | IskatuMesk | that is the weirdest shit haha |
| 22:01.19 | IskatuMesk | do the units have tactical AI or anything in their abilities that might do that (like the creep wander ability)? |
| 22:03.04 | Kazimir | Nope. It happened with vanilla zerglings too. |
| 22:03.10 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 22:03.24 | Kazimir | Even weirder, I have a safeguard to enable suicide if they don't reach a base within the wave timer |
| 22:03.38 | Kazimir | so they SHOULD be dropping their orders and charging blindly at that point. |
| 22:03.50 | IskatuMesk | the attack waves may cause them to ignore orders |
| 22:04.02 | IskatuMesk | I am not sure how that works exactly |
| 22:04.24 | Kazimir | Ok, so changed the attack target to "random unit from (units in entire map with alliance enemy with player 11) |
| 22:04.25 | IskatuMesk | if the attack wave is targeting allied units as points for attacks, it would explain that behavior |
| 22:04.58 | IskatuMesk | still does it? |
| 22:05.04 | Kazimir | So, this should attack ANYTHING on the map that isn't a tree or the AI |
| 22:05.07 | IskatuMesk | when I had it set to enemies of player |
| 22:05.10 | IskatuMesk | I had it specifically |
| 22:05.13 | Kazimir | testing now. |
| 22:05.14 | IskatuMesk | "Enemies of player X" |
| 22:05.23 | Kazimir | Oh, how does one do that? |
| 22:05.23 | IskatuMesk | no units in entire map or unit groups or whatnot |
| 22:05.31 | IskatuMesk | it's a bit annoying to find |
| 22:05.43 | IskatuMesk | I think you need to click on the bracket |
| 22:05.51 | IskatuMesk | I'll turn on the editor and have a look |
| 22:06.46 | Kazimir | Offtopic, anyone here try Soylent yet? |
| 22:06.49 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.53 | Kazimir | I've been on it for 3 days. Feels goooood |
| 22:07.16 | Kazimir | oh, you ignore the attack target variable entirely |
| 22:07.17 | Kazimir | I see |
| 22:07.20 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 22:07.28 | IskatuMesk | that way they sort of determine their own target |
| 22:07.48 | IskatuMesk | I'd love to give it a random player, but that's too advanced for me |
| 22:07.58 | IskatuMesk | (and may not be necessary depending how jade's research goes) |
| 22:09.57 | Kazimir | Alright, testing with your targeting. |
| 22:10.07 | IskatuMesk | if that STILL doesn't work then you may need to get a priest |
| 22:10.21 | Kazimir | If it works alright, I can live with your pseudo-random for the first few releases. |
| 22:10.41 | Kazimir | If the game becomes popular, it'll get exploited to no end though. |
| 22:10.52 | IskatuMesk | if it works then it just says something is wrong with the original targetting logic |
| 22:10.57 | IskatuMesk | there is probably other ways to return random enemy units |
| 22:11.11 | IskatuMesk | b lizzard games can be really weird like that |
| 22:11.21 | IskatuMesk | I wasted an insane amount of time trying to have item-based upgrades in wc3 |
| 22:11.34 | IskatuMesk | only to have someone tell me "oh btw those are broken" |
| 22:11.43 | A1win | "random unit from unit group" should work just fine, your problem lies elsewhere I'd imagine |
| 22:12.02 | IskatuMesk | my guess is it may not be determining alliance enemy properly |
| 22:12.02 | Kazimir | remember, Blizzard has a huge internal dev community, with their own propietary dev docs. They can use the editor because the guys who MADE it are onhand. |
| 22:12.05 | IskatuMesk | but I don't know for sure |
| 22:12.22 | A1win | the AI functions are a big grey area so I'd suspect something to do with those |
| 22:12.40 | IskatuMesk | I would be surprised if they had any documentation for the editor to be honest |
| 22:13.11 | IskatuMesk | probably for all the xml though |
| 22:13.21 | IskatuMesk | (would be nice if they released it) |
| 22:14.25 | Kazimir | Ok, seems fine with generic "enemies of player" |
| 22:14.30 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 22:14.38 | IskatuMesk | then we have determined the problem does indeed lay in the targetting logic |
| 22:14.41 | IskatuMesk | now you have a point to research |
| 22:15.02 | IskatuMesk | when in doubt, reduce complexity, unit test |
| 22:15.09 | Kazimir | If I can get some multiplayer testing, I may not even need to use anything but this. |
| 22:15.30 | IskatuMesk | make some allied CPU players around the map and see how well it handles |
| 22:15.40 | IskatuMesk | give them a shitton of defenses and just leave it running |
| 22:15.55 | Kazimir | I had one AI sitting up top |
| 22:15.59 | Kazimir | you saw it before. |
| 22:16.01 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 22:16.09 | IskatuMesk | did they go to him? |
| 22:16.16 | Kazimir | didn't notice |
| 22:16.21 | Kazimir | let me wait for the next wave |
| 22:16.23 | IskatuMesk | technically, if you wanted very cheap ass randomization |
| 22:16.26 | IskatuMesk | you can give them random waypoints |
| 22:16.30 | IskatuMesk | throughout the map |
| 22:16.42 | IskatuMesk | like, from manually placed points |
| 22:16.45 | IskatuMesk | big chokes and such |
| 22:16.57 | IskatuMesk | then they'll sort of fan out to those pre-determined locations |
| 22:17.12 | IskatuMesk | I don't know how to trigger that, though :3 |
| 22:17.20 | Kazimir | Nope, nothing targeting the AI |
| 22:17.24 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 22:17.29 | IskatuMesk | so it's probably doing it by distance |
| 22:17.32 | IskatuMesk | pretty exploitable |
| 22:17.34 | IskatuMesk | but good for a start |
| 22:17.41 | Kazimir | Actually, that's pretty easy to work with. |
| 22:17.53 | Kazimir | I can just move more resources towards the enemy spawn |
| 22:17.58 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 22:18.01 | Kazimir | risk/reward |
| 22:18.07 | IskatuMesk | there's a few ways you can work with it |
| 22:18.17 | IskatuMesk | but now you know exactly where the original problem lays |
| 22:18.18 | Kazimir | Right now the FARTHEST point from the enemy spawn only has one resource node |
| 22:18.22 | Kazimir | and isn't easy to defend. |
| 22:18.43 | IskatuMesk | my theory is that the original attack target was handing it its own units |
| 22:18.45 | Kazimir | time to see if this wave system can path a spiral. |
| 22:18.49 | IskatuMesk | that's why they kept wiggling around each other |
| 22:19.03 | IskatuMesk | now why it did that is beyond me, "alliance enemies" may be handing it something you don't expect |
| 22:19.18 | IskatuMesk | a possible alternate is to form a group of target players ahead of time |
| 22:19.23 | IskatuMesk | then hand it that group instead of " |
| 22:19.24 | Kazimir | Well before I was handing it "random unit owned by picked player" |
| 22:19.25 | IskatuMesk | "alliance enemies" |
| 22:19.30 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 22:19.44 | IskatuMesk | yeah, this kind of thing is sort of outside my half-hour of sc2 trigger experience |
| 22:19.52 | Kazimir | and the picked player was from "pick each player in group 1" |
| 22:20.13 | IskatuMesk | factions may be the equivalent of player forces from bw for all I know |
| 22:20.18 | Kazimir | of which the AI is not a member as far as I can tell. |
| 22:20.28 | IskatuMesk | you can manually move them to make sure |
| 22:20.45 | IskatuMesk | like I said, specifically building a group will ensure that it's only getting handed what you know |
| 22:20.55 | IskatuMesk | if it still breaks, then another method would have to be employed |
| 22:21.13 | IskatuMesk | you could simply make a variable every so often before night hits that contains a random player chosen to be receiver of the zergling fiesta |
| 22:21.18 | IskatuMesk | ands then target that variable |
| 22:21.37 | Kazimir | heh, zergling fiesta. |
| 22:21.47 | Kazimir | Town Hall pinata :-( |
| 22:21.51 | IskatuMesk | when they were hanging around those trees, they were having a fiesta for sure |
| 22:22.49 | Kazimir | currently testing the most pathing-intense location on the map (the bigass spiral mountain) |
| 22:23.05 | IskatuMesk | the manually pathed ones? they should be able to navigate it find |
| 22:23.16 | Kazimir | oh shit |
| 22:23.18 | IskatuMesk | I have a map filled with intersecting ramps filled with destructible cocks and they tend to navigate it find |
| 22:23.20 | Kazimir | my FPS dropped like a rock |
| 22:23.20 | IskatuMesk | fine* |
| 22:23.22 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 22:23.25 | Kazimir | 5-6fps |
| 22:23.27 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 22:23.34 | IskatuMesk | maybe the trees gained sentience |
| 22:23.37 | Kazimir | how do I upen debug? |
| 22:23.41 | IskatuMesk | no clue |
| 22:23.48 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 22:23.48 | Kazimir | OH GOD |
| 22:23.54 | Kazimir | it's going for the AI player |
| 22:24.01 | IskatuMesk | are the trees flying around and punching you? |
| 22:24.02 | Kazimir | and the error spam is about an invalid preplaced unit |
| 22:24.04 | IskatuMesk | that might lag |
| 22:24.06 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 22:24.10 | Kazimir | I left something bad there. |
| 22:24.11 | Kazimir | lol |
| 22:24.12 | IskatuMesk | yeah I saw that when I opened the editor |
| 22:24.29 | IskatuMesk | that's why when we first got into this manhole I asked if those actually still counted as units |
| 22:24.32 | IskatuMesk | as it turns out, I guess they do :D |
| 22:24.41 | Kazimir | on that note, I have attachement points on my footmen |
| 22:24.49 | Kazimir | They throw an error on every load. |
| 22:24.53 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 22:25.00 | IskatuMesk | I'd do all that kind of stuff through 3ds max tbh |
| 22:25.19 | IskatuMesk | I did the attachment point thing in wc3 but it becomes a hassle |
| 22:25.20 | Kazimir | Can haz more models? |
| 22:25.25 | Dustin|Work | I gotta find out what exactly broke my GetClosestUnit function... |
| 22:25.45 | Kazimir | brb bio |
| 22:25.51 | IskatuMesk | my models are too big for b.ent though |
| 22:26.06 | Dustin|Work | It has to do with either the GetdistanceBetweenPoints function or something to do with how the parameters are passed or something |
| 22:26.07 | Dustin|Work | ugh |
| 22:26.07 | IskatuMesk | so wasting space is no concern to me |
| 22:26.13 | IskatuMesk | may be a bug |
| 22:26.33 | Dustin|Work | Not with my code, was working fine pre-patch |
| 22:26.37 | IskatuMesk | though I have no idea how complex your stuff is |
| 22:26.41 | IskatuMesk | well I meant with blizzard's end |
| 22:26.48 | Dustin|Work | Ya that's what im thinking |
| 22:26.49 | IskatuMesk | they may have broken some obscure thing |
| 22:26.51 | IskatuMesk | happens all the time with them |
| 22:27.02 | Dustin|Work | They fucked up a native or some data flow |
| 22:27.05 | IskatuMesk | either that or it was an intentional functionality change for some reason |
| 22:27.16 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, like when they changed the force effects |
| 22:27.19 | IskatuMesk | they love undocumented changes like that |
| 22:27.30 | IskatuMesk | especially with lotv coming |
| 22:31.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (Zandose@24-246-78-228.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 22:31.55 | IskatuMesk | it would be funny if they actually added Z to that |
| 22:32.08 | IskatuMesk | and the problem was you lacked a Z value |
| 22:32.09 | IskatuMesk | but probably not |
| 22:42.57 | Kazimir | Disabled the volume monitor on the trees. +5fps! |
| 22:43.10 | IskatuMesk | rofl |
| 22:43.23 | IskatuMesk | volume monitor? |
| 22:43.30 | IskatuMesk | sounds like something I should disable in general |
| 22:43.43 | Kazimir | checks the outside edges of an actor for projectile impacts |
| 22:43.49 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 22:43.54 | Kazimir | with it off, projectiles hit the center of the actor |
| 22:43.55 | IskatuMesk | different than I thought, then |
| 22:44.08 | Kazimir | I'm not concerned about where the trees get hit |
| 22:44.12 | IskatuMesk | though... |
| 22:44.16 | IskatuMesk | that's what ref_target is for... isn't it? |
| 22:47.07 | Kazimir | "Marks the target as containint Target Attach Volumes (TAVs) that the engine must monitor during attacks.(TAVs cause an attack to appear to hit the surface of its target, rather than its center.) For instance, a unit attacking a command center during construction must be aware of the construction scaffolding TAVs - - even though they are part of a seperate model - - so that it can appear to impact the scaffolding while it is p |
| 22:47.07 | Kazimir | resent. |
| 22:47.29 | Kazimir | For some godawful reason, the trees had this marked. |
| 22:47.55 | IskatuMesk | I guess that just turns on ref_target thing |
| 22:48.02 | IskatuMesk | then* |
| 22:48.06 | IskatuMesk | or something |
| 22:48.21 | Dustin|Work | Ref_target I think is an override maybe |
| 22:48.38 | Kazimir | Hell if I know. I just know that turning it off saved me 5fps |
| 22:48.45 | IskatuMesk | finding vertexes would be quite expensive, yeah |
| 22:48.55 | IskatuMesk | for 5k units |
| 22:49.29 | Kazimir | New question: What's the simplest way to stick an actor to another actor? I want to stick the jump dust cloud to an ultralisk so it kicks up dust as it runs. |
| 22:49.44 | IskatuMesk | I would also do that through 3ds max :3 |
| 22:49.48 | Kazimir | (Ultralisk boss that destroys nearby trees as it moves by) |
| 22:49.51 | IskatuMesk | for precision |
| 22:50.08 | Kazimir | Yeah, but I don't have any modeling experience. |
| 22:50.28 | Kazimir | If you feel like making me a fancy model, I'd be obliged. |
| 22:50.31 | Kazimir | :-P |
| 22:50.34 | IskatuMesk | my modeling experience is equivalent to a toddler's, the bigger problem would be the import eating all of the model's settings |
| 22:50.37 | Dustin|Work | Not sure how you would do it in data for only while he moved... |
| 22:50.44 | Zolden | Kazimir make a request on forum, someone may do it |
| 22:50.55 | Zolden | Dustin|Work you checked the saw I made? |
| 22:50.58 | Kazimir | These things don't have an idle time. |
| 22:51.01 | Zolden | it's different, but has no shadows |
| 22:51.03 | Dustin|Work | Oh no, did you link it to me? |
| 22:51.05 | Kazimir | They are either attacking or moving to a target. |
| 22:51.16 | Dustin|Work | Im at work and it's been busy so I havent been monitoring here well |
| 22:51.20 | Kazimir | If they are idle, something is very wrong. |
| 22:51.20 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/52/270/saw.m3 |
| 22:51.22 | IskatuMesk | you could just make some fake spell/effect whatever that spawns periodically, does no damage, and has the effect that spawns at origin |
| 22:51.39 | Dustin|Work | I would give the Ultralisks a Behavior that has a periodic effect |
| 22:51.42 | Zolden | Dustin|Work see it now? |
| 22:52.06 | Dustin|Work | When that effect spawns, have an actor that gets created and destroyed at the the origin of the unit with some offset so it looks like it's behind them |
| 22:52.21 | Dustin|Work | them sync up the timing with the ultras movespeed |
| 22:52.26 | Dustin|Work | Where are you sending it Zolden? |
| 22:52.29 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/52/270/saw.m3 |
| 22:52.32 | Dustin|Work | There |
| 22:52.33 | IskatuMesk | loool |
| 22:52.34 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 22:52.39 | Kazimir | That's convenient. I already have a behaviour+effect to destroy the trees. |
| 22:52.45 | Kazimir | I'll just stick the actor spawn on that. |
| 22:52.49 | IskatuMesk | e |
| 22:52.49 | IskatuMesk | z |
| 22:53.26 | Dustin|Work | ill load this model in here in a bit zolden when I go on lunch at work, thanks sir :D much appreciated |
| 22:53.53 | Zolden | np |
| 22:54.06 | Zolden | but you meay not like it, it doesn't have the effects, only the disc |
| 22:54.15 | Zolden | cause they havebn't been importerd |
| 22:54.43 | IskatuMesk | yeah I told him that would happen |
| 22:54.55 | IskatuMesk | I'm guessing you can't just hex edit the value? |
| 22:55.05 | IskatuMesk | that turns shadowing on/off? for the material? |
| 22:56.21 | Dustin|Work | The effects? |
| 22:56.32 | Dustin|Work | Oh you mean the little particle thingys? |
| 22:56.42 | Dustin|Work | Im using the "Render Wireframe" option on it anyway |
| 22:56.46 | IskatuMesk | any particles, distortion, etc |
| 22:56.47 | Dustin|Work | So it should be good |
| 22:56.49 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 22:57.01 | Dustin|Work | Looks cooler as a wireframe saw :D |
| 22:59.54 | IskatuMesk | damnit... canada is supposed to be cold... why can't stereotrypes be true |
| 23:00.32 | Kazimir | Ok, so I'm having a hell of a time figuring out how to create the dust cloud actor as part of an effect |
| 23:01.06 | Kazimir | Starting to think this might be a case for actor messages. |
| 23:03.18 | IskatuMesk | beyond my skill I am afraid, actors are the most alien part of the game to me' |
| 23:03.54 | Dustin|Work | Kazimir, |
| 23:04.01 | Kazimir | Yes? |
| 23:04.05 | Dustin|Work | Make a new Actor of type Model -> Single Shot Animation |
| 23:04.14 | Dustin|Work | Then give it your dust cloud model |
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| 23:07.17 | Dustin|Work | brb lunch |
| 23:37.08 | Dustin|Work | back |
| 23:37.17 | Dustin|Work | That work Kazimir ? |
| 23:37.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 23:37.57 | Kazimir | Still trying to figure out how to play it. |
| 23:38.00 | Bounty | peowza |
| 23:38.57 | Dustin|Work | If you setup the actor as a oneshot spell effects actor it should play on creation |
| 23:39.17 | Dustin|Work | Take a SS of your Actor messages for it and link it here |
| 23:39.25 | Zolden | Bounty do u have an android device? |
| 23:39.35 | Kazimir | ^There's what I needed. I need an actor message for it. |
| 23:39.40 | Bounty | Yes, why? |
| 23:39.48 | Bounty | Not turning it on, it needs to be charged lol |
| 23:39.49 | Kazimir | Now I just need what event it should be triggering from. |
| 23:39.53 | Dustin|Work | Yeah you'll have to have an actor message for the creation |
| 23:40.04 | Zolden | Bounty could u pls download my game from google play and rate it? i need 1 more rate for propaganda |
| 23:40.17 | Dustin|Work | So like, Effect.PeriodicDustModel.Start -> Create |
| 23:40.32 | Bounty | Can I do that via PC? |
| 23:40.46 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:40.48 | Zolden | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Zolden.Quadrium |
| 23:41.01 | Zolden | just click install, than review adn rate |
| 23:41.39 | Zolden | it will work if google knows that you have an android device |
| 23:42.18 | Kazimir | Dustin|Work, so I make an actor event for when the effect starts, which then in turn creates the dust model |
| 23:42.30 | Bounty | Made any money off this game Zolden? |
| 23:42.39 | Kazimir | and to have a repeating stomp visual, I just make the behaviour that creates the effect periodic. |
| 23:42.40 | Dustin|Work | It creates the actor, which is setup to use the Dust model |
| 23:43.01 | Dustin|Work | And by setting the actor as oneshotspellfx it will autoplay the models death animation |
| 23:43.12 | Zolden | Bounty not yet, it was recently released, and need some propaganda to become popular, adn only then it will be reasonable to make money |
| 23:50.07 | Kazimir | Dustin|Work It worked. :-D |
| 23:51.34 | Dustin|Work | Woot :D |
