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| 03:25.05 | Dustin|Work | Welp |
| 03:25.12 | Dustin|Work | Im officially bored out of my mind |
| 03:25.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:25.42 | Bounty | I think you're the most active person in IRC these days Dustin |
| 03:25.45 | Bounty | in the sense of speaking |
| 03:25.54 | Bounty | *applause* |
| 03:26.11 | ArcanePariah | Nah, I'm around |
| 03:26.26 | ArcanePariah | Dustin|Work, that bad ehh? |
| 03:28.18 | Bounty | How is NOTD 2 coming along ArcanePariah? |
| 03:28.48 | Dustin|Work | Yeaaaaah, im always around Bounty :P, ArcanePariah ya but I only got 3 minutes till im off the phone :D |
| 03:28.48 | ArcanePariah | Pretty good, currently implementing Horde/Noise system |
| 03:29.09 | Bounty | Cool stuff |
| 03:29.12 | Dustin|Work | It's sad when you're out of things to look at on the internet |
| 03:29.22 | Bounty | We're launching our KS in about 2-3 weeks |
| 03:29.23 | Bounty | finally lol |
| 03:29.32 | Dustin|Work | What, im caught up on the most recent 30 pages of reddit? Fuuuuu |
| 03:29.39 | ArcanePariah | LOL |
| 03:30.03 | Bounty | Yeah, I've gotten to about #450 on reddit before Dustin |
| 03:30.12 | Bounty | gets weird around that point |
| 03:30.15 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 03:30.25 | Dustin|Work | I just started spamming the Random Subreddit button |
| 03:30.30 | Dustin|Work | Was not impressed |
| 03:30.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:30.46 | Bounty | nosleep was interesting |
| 03:30.54 | Bounty | until I read that the stories are not true |
| 03:31.27 | Dustin|Work | lol that shit keeps showing up on my feed, bout to ban it |
| 03:32.12 | Bounty | nosleep? |
| 03:32.29 | Bounty | Yeah, pretty meh |
| 03:32.48 | Bounty | Have you tried http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonsfuckingcars |
| 03:32.55 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 03:33.18 | ArcanePariah | So yeah, need to finish Hordes, then move on to a couple other things, got quite a list of things |
| 03:33.57 | Bounty | any ETA when it will be done? |
| 03:33.59 | ArcanePariah | Just got a ton of systems in implement and test, plus classes. |
| 03:34.43 | Bounty | by "done" i am referring to the whole game. |
| 03:35.09 | Bounty | Seems like none of the successful Arcade Kickstarters have released their games yet. |
| 03:35.20 | ArcanePariah | lol, never? We are techincally are in pre alpha/alpha. We got a psycho long list of things to do. |
| 03:35.24 | ArcanePariah | Well, it is playable now |
| 03:35.41 | ArcanePariah | And we got people play testing it from time to time. |
| 03:36.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:36.27 | Bounty | Hopefully we can be the third successful KS :) |
| 03:36.42 | Bounty | Think we're the only one with a release timeline |
| 03:38.05 | ArcanePariah | Well we had a timeline, but like all software projects, it slippped (we were WAY too ambitious). |
| 03:38.15 | ArcanePariah | But we've made good progress, people like what they see. |
| 03:38.19 | Bounty | What was the initial release date? |
| 03:42.19 | ArcanePariah | For the alpha, March, which we missed, and Beta by now. Which is also has passed. Things got complicated by my internship. |
| 03:42.44 | Bounty | Ah |
| 03:42.54 | Bounty | lack of full time work? |
| 03:42.59 | Bounty | on the project itself |
| 03:43.29 | Bounty | Yeah, I think thats a common issue unless you have the main people as 100% full time |
| 03:44.41 | ArcanePariah | Correct, plus I'm very inexperienced with project estimation. THen again, no one really can do it (very few large software projects go according to plan). |
| 03:45.56 | Bounty | We're aiming for all 3 games within a year |
| 03:46.22 | Bounty | My worst case scenario projection is we only managed to get 2 out |
| 03:46.56 | Bounty | Well, I'm sure your internship played a major role in regards to delay |
| 03:47.57 | Bounty | Damn RL |
| 03:57.14 | IskatuMesk | I can predict stuff pretty solidly usually |
| 03:57.24 | IskatuMesk | but I always account for focus and competence |
| 03:57.27 | IskatuMesk | which I don't lack |
| 03:57.30 | IskatuMesk | err, have |
| 03:57.35 | IskatuMesk | which I lack, there you go |
| 03:57.48 | IskatuMesk | in real manhours, my predictions for big projects were generally accurate |
| 03:57.59 | IskatuMesk | and the audiobook has gone pretty solidly according to plan |
| 03:58.26 | IskatuMesk | it's the 25h and I am nearly finished, just waiting on outsourcees, one of which just never existed, so that sets me back |
| 03:58.49 | IskatuMesk | had the visual aspect gone according to plan, I'd probably be done almost all of it sans animations by now |
| 03:59.16 | IskatuMesk | I alotted two years to the revision and scene reconstruction, but that could have been a year's work maximum if I wasn't so depressed all the time |
| 03:59.41 | IskatuMesk | but I had put too much value in having someone do character models for me, that killed the project |
| 04:00.11 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately, I fear I am repeating that mistake with this sc2 campaign... the AI is too big a thing to have started it without having it solved |
| 04:01.39 | IskatuMesk | if jade does manage to get the AI working (where is he, anyways?), then I estimate... 2 years |
| 04:02.12 | IskatuMesk | however, if my living situation continues to go downhill like it wants to, then there will be no project regardless |
| 04:02.34 | Bounty | wait wait |
| 04:02.36 | Bounty | audiobook? |
| 04:02.39 | Bounty | oh |
| 04:02.50 | Bounty | damnit I thought you were Arcane for a second |
| 04:02.54 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 04:03.14 | IskatuMesk | might have been more exciting if I was, then I'd be produced a respectable product out of all that time :3 |
| 04:03.19 | Bounty | You finished your move though right? |
| 04:03.27 | IskatuMesk | yeah, but they want to move again |
| 04:03.37 | Bounty | They? lol |
| 04:03.43 | IskatuMesk | grandmother and her ex-husband |
| 04:03.49 | Bounty | Ah |
| 04:04.05 | IskatuMesk | fucking baby boomers complaining about the house being too small when they had plenty of opportunities to get bigger ones |
| 04:04.09 | IskatuMesk | and whined they were too big |
| 04:04.12 | IskatuMesk | so frustrationmg |
| 04:04.13 | Bounty | That is interesting, typically old people just want to stay put lol |
| 04:04.21 | IskatuMesk | yeah but they are also bible bumpers |
| 04:04.26 | IskatuMesk | so they are universally illogical |
| 04:04.47 | Bounty | Tell them to give you all their money and possessions so they can walk the earth. |
| 04:04.52 | Bounty | and go to heaven |
| 04:05.02 | IskatuMesk | they have no money, only 30k+ of debt |
| 04:05.20 | Bounty | 30k of debt? for what? |
| 04:05.22 | IskatuMesk | only reason we can afford rent is all the pensions they have |
| 04:05.25 | IskatuMesk | barely scraping by |
| 04:05.26 | IskatuMesk | no clue |
| 04:05.42 | Bounty | I have never heard of someone older having that amount of debt. |
| 04:05.45 | IskatuMesk | from what I understand, they used to actually own a house, but kept buying and re-selling at a loss for some braindead reason |
| 04:05.53 | IskatuMesk | and since they made no money... yep |
| 04:05.54 | Bounty | Ah |
| 04:06.02 | Bounty | Bank loan debt >.< |
| 04:06.23 | Bounty | eh, declare chapter 7 bankruptcy |
| 04:06.34 | IskatuMesk | they already did at some point I think |
| 04:06.47 | Bounty | that recently? wtf lol |
| 04:07.06 | IskatuMesk | we are scarcely a step above homelessness |
| 04:07.10 | Bounty | Thought there was a period of time that you can do it again |
| 04:07.15 | IskatuMesk | it's a weird balance of my disability and the pensions keeping us afloat |
| 04:07.20 | IskatuMesk | not sure |
| 04:07.32 | IskatuMesk | any time they try to explain the money clusterfuck situation they are in it just gives me a headache |
| 04:07.36 | Bounty | Thought pensions paid well? |
| 04:07.45 | IskatuMesk | not much when rent is 1600 |
| 04:07.57 | Bounty | .... |
| 04:08.06 | Bounty | where are you living right now? |
| 04:08.14 | IskatuMesk | canada |
| 04:08.24 | Bounty | apartment or house? |
| 04:08.26 | IskatuMesk | house |
| 04:08.31 | IskatuMesk | I'd never live in an apartment |
| 04:08.34 | IskatuMesk | but apartments start at 1200 |
| 04:08.46 | Bounty | and why don't they move into an age 65+ development? |
| 04:08.50 | IskatuMesk | canada's housing has inflated at an insane rate |
| 04:08.53 | Bounty | so cheap and nice |
| 04:08.55 | IskatuMesk | no clue |
| 04:08.58 | IskatuMesk | probably none here |
| 04:09.20 | Bounty | 65+ developments are the way to go |
| 04:09.29 | Bounty | If they move again and don't do that... silly |
| 04:10.12 | Bounty | In my case those developments the bane of my existence |
| 04:10.35 | Bounty | Everytime we find a badass house that is a great prize, scroll down and it says 65+ |
| 04:10.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:10.41 | IskatuMesk | if they move again they will have to shed all of this shit they've hoarded because I am not lifting a finger to move anything |
| 04:11.09 | Bounty | I would think disability and pension would bring in a good amount of income monthly |
| 04:11.16 | IskatuMesk | disability is less than welfare |
| 04:11.22 | IskatuMesk | and the pensions are not much I don't think |
| 04:11.36 | Bounty | can you get welfare? lol |
| 04:11.36 | IskatuMesk | canada cut those a lot |
| 04:11.37 | IskatuMesk | don't think so |
| 04:11.58 | Bounty | Wouldn't hurt to try |
| 04:12.03 | Bounty | No idea how that stuff works though |
| 04:15.36 | Bounty | Think it depends on if they base it off household income or not |
| 04:15.38 | IskatuMesk | pretty sure they'd have already done it if it was possible |
| 04:15.40 | Bounty | or your personal income |
| 04:15.52 | Bounty | well you could get it |
| 04:15.58 | Bounty | if they don't base it on household |
| 04:16.19 | IskatuMesk | I think I was told being on pension excludes you from welfare |
| 04:16.21 | IskatuMesk | but may be wrong |
| 04:16.23 | IskatuMesk | there was some reason |
| 04:19.40 | Bounty | Yeah but disability is a form of welfare right? |
| 04:19.58 | Bounty | That and if YOU personally have little to no income |
| 04:20.04 | Bounty | Should quality for something |
| 04:21.15 | IskatuMesk | dunno |
| 04:21.17 | IskatuMesk | I'll ask sometime |
| 04:44.16 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... Bounty, can I ask you a favor and do a small experiment? |
| 04:55.21 | Bounty | yeah sure |
| 04:56.43 | Kazimir | Bounty! Protect your kidneys! |
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| 04:59.48 | ArcanePariah | Upload a map or mod to b.net and tell me if it feels any different |
| 05:00.13 | Kazimir | the upload process? |
| 05:00.17 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 05:00.23 | Kazimir | sec |
| 05:01.03 | ArcanePariah | It feels faster. It used to hang, take some time while checking map name and dependencies, but now it fast, takes no time at all and I can upload much faster it seems. |
| 05:02.24 | Kazimir | 0..98...98....98...98... |
| 05:02.52 | ArcanePariah | Did it hang at all on the page where you select locked/unlocked? |
| 05:03.08 | Kazimir | Nah, it just took about 35 seconds to prep the archive. |
| 05:03.18 | Kazimir | which is just it compressing the file |
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| 05:04.10 | Kazimir | done |
| 05:04.19 | Kazimir | 37 mb in about 2 minutes. |
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| 05:09.05 | Bounty | It didn't feel any diff to me when I had to upload something a few days ago ArcanePariah |
| 05:10.59 | ArcanePariah | Few days ago, yes I would agree, but now, something is different, its weird |
| 05:12.20 | Kazimir | Wait...are you saying they actually FIXED something during weekly maintenance? |
| 05:12.30 | Kazimir | Nonsense. |
| 05:16.04 | ArcanePariah | shrugs |
| 05:16.25 | ArcanePariah | They are doing some major backend stuff, in preparation to integrate Storm with regular b.net |
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| 06:08.51 | Goa | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuIJKaIOPnU |
| 06:23.53 | Bounty | I wonder if the integration will reduce overall SC2 bnet latency ArcanePariah |
| 06:24.43 | Goa | what integration? |
| 06:28.38 | TwoDie | ArcanePariah: They are doing some major backend stuff, in preparation to integrate Storm with regular b.net |
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| 06:41.31 | Goa | new South Park episode goes after Kickstarter:D |
| 06:49.48 | IskatuMesk | I'll back YOUR end |
| 06:59.33 | TwoDie | lol https://i.imgur.com/qJcl2LA.jpg |
| 07:01.20 | TwoDie | ohh this pron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25UfM-FTzP0 |
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| 07:57.10 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Our glorious leader returns |
| 07:57.15 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 07:57.17 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hi JademusSreg :P |
| 07:57.28 | JademusSreg | Hallo Arc. =D |
| 07:57.38 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 07:57.54 | ArcanePariah|Sch | The going rumor was that I ate you and got your powers, and pirate was looking for a promotion to mapper prime :P |
| 07:58.28 | ArcanePariah|Sch | AS for whats up, been helping people as usual |
| 07:58.36 | JademusSreg | Wish pirate were on, actually, since I was going to suggest simply making a galaxy plugin for IntelliJ IDEA, haha. |
| 07:58.45 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Did some more experimentation and learned a few new things |
| 07:58.52 | JademusSreg | ORly? |
| 07:59.00 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Namely what the success and failure flags on persistents do |
| 07:59.33 | JademusSreg | Ah, I had speculated to that end, but never got around to testing it. |
| 08:00.46 | ArcanePariah|Sch | They destroy the persistent if the periodic effect succeeds or fails, respectively. This is interesting because you can use the periodic effects own validator to control the persistent duration. |
| 08:01.26 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Moreover, combined with the Persist Until Destroy flag, you can create environmental effects not tied to units, like traps or the like. |
| 08:01.38 | JademusSreg | Hm, yeah, that's rather more efficient than manually applying the destroy persistent effect. |
| 08:01.50 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Correct |
| 08:02.36 | ArcanePariah|Sch | For me the interest is that you can have a persistent that runs until the child effect is successful. This permits something that has eluded people I think, namely collision based fireballs. |
| 08:03.39 | ArcanePariah|Sch | You can have a periodic effect that runs (damage effect in this case). The damage effect will have an enumerate area validator. Since it will fail until it "hits" a unit, the effect can then be set to travel via offsets and with the success flag, it will kill the persistent when the damage is dealt. |
| 08:03.40 | JademusSreg | Both my and Kueken's approaches in that domain worked quite well, but yes, this sounds like an efficient addition. |
| 08:04.31 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And what you can do, quite nicely, is set the launch location to the source point, and set the expire effect of the persistent to be the persistent itself. |
| 08:04.46 | ArcanePariah|Sch | In this way, it will leap frog until it hits a target |
| 08:04.58 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 08:05.28 | ArcanePariah|Sch | With the success flag set, this will cause the persistent to repeat itself and travel in the direction until success. |
| 08:06.44 | JademusSreg | Would like to see said approach in action, compared to my and Kueken's respective approaches. |
| 08:07.15 | JademusSreg | *Kueken and I's respective approaches |
| 08:07.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yes, would be interesting. I just think it would be more efficient simply because you no longer rely on an actual projectile |
| 08:08.11 | JademusSreg | Hm, that is neat, though need to definine the specific use cases where non-projectiles would be preferable. |
| 08:08.17 | JademusSreg | *define |
| 08:08.44 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Well, based on my own experience, projectile with periodic search traveling at high speed tends to miss stuff at close range. |
| 08:08.47 | JademusSreg | AOEs, chain impacts, of course. |
| 08:09.29 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Same with enumerate area on a projectile leading to same result. With a persistent only, no projectile, you decouple the presentation from the effect. |
| 08:09.46 | JademusSreg | Yep, and your no-missile approach would bear the same burden, -but- would be more efficient in its look-ahead feature. |
| 08:10.54 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Well, I don't think it would miss at close range. We are basically replicating Raynors Snipe or the Hellion flamer, just with a single impact. really, to demonstrate this, I would just modify the hellion flamethrower. |
| 08:11.20 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And if you wanted to give travel time, just adjust the periodic period |
| 08:11.51 | JademusSreg | My apprach was unit-centric, Kueken's used a persistent to coordinate; his approach is demonstrably superior where source-to-target relations are concerned (like kill credit). |
| 08:15.26 | JademusSreg | Regarding very thin column areas, I tend to use search area with an Arc of 0, it's super effective. =D |
| 08:18.08 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Mmhmm |
| 08:18.24 | JademusSreg | (Dunno if the editor supports it directly, had to use XML view to force the 0 value since the angle input would interpret 0 as 360.) |
| 08:20.44 | JademusSreg | Still, curious to see a no-missile "projectile" persistent effect in action. |
| 08:24.06 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I'll see if I can whip a demon up tomorrow. Meanwhile NOTD progresses, I should give you a tour of Eden |
| 08:24.12 | ArcanePariah|Sch | demo* |
| 08:24.37 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Although doing a mixing of certain things could produce a demon. |
| 08:25.11 | JademusSreg | Last time I played, I failed to find any exploits in the environment. =D |
| 08:25.47 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hehe, well, experience and patience has served us well. |
| 08:26.49 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I sadly must retire, much to do tomorrow. It is good to see you again, I hope to see you when I rise :D |
| 08:28.27 | JademusSreg | Later. |
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| 09:56.11 | TwoDie | 1 |
| 09:56.20 | TwoDie | any putin news? |
| 09:58.04 | duckies | movies |
| 09:58.05 | duckies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuJ9ujMQBQ |
| 09:58.07 | duckies | :D |
| 09:58.52 | Zolden | oh, duckies news |
| 09:59.05 | duckies | heya zolden |
| 09:59.43 | Zolden | TwoDie everythings too depressing to retranslate |
| 10:01.18 | Zolden | d |
| 10:02.21 | Zolden | ill go through the pipe bridge and check how stuff going, hope civilization isnt nuclear waste yet |
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| 11:08.58 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | Ahli_, hey. |
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| 11:27.37 | Zolden | so duckies |
| 11:27.48 | Zolden | how have u been? |
| 11:28.06 | Zolden | what kept u away from this place? |
| 11:28.19 | duckies | been playing a clicker game, my life has now found a meaning |
| 11:28.33 | duckies | which is to click on screen until my fingers bleed |
| 11:28.54 | Zolden | *your wing tips |
| 11:29.18 | Zolden | ducks swimming legs have no fingers |
| 11:29.22 | duckies | I mutated them into human fingertips just so that I can click |
| 11:29.47 | Zolden | what about gamedev? have any ideas? |
| 11:31.29 | duckies | fuckitall, I have seen the light in the form of a clickergame which clicks for you while you're offline and then gives you collected gold when you come back. it's an epitome of gaming I say! |
| 11:31.47 | Zolden | you may have heard that I and Goa actively spamming gamed on unity, and we would be glad if u joined us |
| 11:32.05 | Goa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.17 | Goa | dont follow twodie's lazy path! |
| 11:32.20 | duckies | gimme screens goa |
| 11:32.31 | Zolden | especially as u known as simple games lover which is perfect for mobile platform |
| 11:32.40 | Goa | didnt change much since the gifs I gave you |
| 11:32.47 | Goa | I still need to do the art stuff |
| 11:32.51 | duckies | I see |
| 11:32.55 | Zolden | duckies do u happen to have android device? |
| 11:33.15 | duckies | no, I have no modern mobile devices in my posession |
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| 11:33.23 | Goa | Zolden new South Park episode is quite nice:D |
| 11:33.27 | duckies | which, I guess, partly explains my lack of interest |
| 11:33.29 | Rommper | hey |
| 11:33.36 | Goa | bashing on Startups and kickstarter.D |
| 11:33.39 | Zolden | cool, will get it |
| 11:33.43 | Zolden | lol |
| 11:33.51 | duckies | ooh, new SP is up? |
| 11:34.01 | Goa | yeah:D |
| 11:34.03 | Zolden | hope there's cartman and andie marsh active |
| 11:34.11 | duckies | I guess I'll take 30 minutes off off my clicking schelude today =D |
| 11:34.30 | Zolden | duckies is now clickies |
| 11:34.47 | Goa | duckies this is my mobile phone, so I have no interest in mobile phones too, but I like making games:D: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Fone |
| 11:35.29 | Zolden | duckies my new game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Zolden.hallo_spaceboy_lite |
| 11:35.43 | Zolden | oops, old one |
| 11:35.45 | Zolden | sec |
| 11:36.17 | duckies | eeh, mine is similiar goa :D |
| 11:36.26 | duckies | \ |
| 11:36.26 | Goa | :) |
| 11:36.32 | duckies | nice naming zolden :D |
| 11:37.00 | duckies | 2048 tetris x_x |
| 11:37.22 | Zolden | yea |
| 11:37.50 | Zolden | took 3 weeks to code it |
| 11:38.07 | Zolden | so u wont need months |
| 11:38.38 | Zolden | convincing, duckies? |
| 11:39.01 | Zolden | want to code a minigame of your dream? |
| 11:39.46 | Goa | Zolden I have a new game idea that I will do next:D |
| 11:40.15 | duckies | somehow with my failure to make the map I wanted to make because of lack of foresight I'm mega-ultra-burned out. I still sometimes scribble some gamedev ideas on paper, but as soon as I start to think about it even semi-seriosly (as in mechanics/systems/implementation) I start to feel up a vomit-inducing sensation in my stomich |
| 11:41.04 | Zolden | Goa write all ideas in a file |
| 11:41.14 | Goa | I do that since years:D |
| 11:41.18 | Zolden | u will have them frequently |
| 11:41.19 | duckies | so yea, this brainless god damn stupid farmvillish clicking experience is somewhat like a theraphy :D |
| 11:41.23 | Zolden | hehe |
| 11:41.36 | Zolden | i do it since months |
| 11:42.32 | Zolden | duckies smoke a little of weed for inspiration maybe |
| 11:42.48 | Goa | :D |
| 11:43.02 | Goa | weed made make to write down lots of book ideas:D |
| 11:43.06 | Zolden | just remake a nes game us u once successfully done |
| 11:43.10 | Goa | me* |
| 11:43.18 | Zolden | it will be the therapy |
| 11:43.54 | Zolden | same Goa |
| 11:44.35 | Zolden | music, short stories, ideas, coding - weed makes all this so vomitimg from me |
| 11:45.12 | Zolden | ok, time to check grocery store for some putun's crap |
| 11:45.32 | Goa | :) |
| 11:45.33 | duckies | that suggestion I can't follow. Maybe I'll try some bubble--bath with proper sleep schelude. that seem to chip away anxiety bit by bit. |
| 11:45.43 | duckies | aaw, he left |
| 11:45.49 | duckies | no more suggestions for me =( |
| 11:47.56 | Goa | yeah morning showers are good idea brainstorming place:D |
| 11:49.39 | TwoDie | :( |
| 12:01.12 | IskatuMesk | :# |
| 12:01.15 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 12:01.22 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 12:01.27 | IskatuMesk | you're alive! |
| 12:01.33 | IskatuMesk | (maybe) |
| 12:02.20 | IskatuMesk | guess not |
| 12:06.06 | turtles1 | anyone know an xml reader which can sort items in order? preferably online? (I don't like installing random software) |
| 12:06.37 | IskatuMesk | I love installing random software! Nothing like giving Putin's hard-working interns some hardware to zombify |
| 12:10.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Rommper (bc241652@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.22.82) |
| 12:18.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tomura (~Tomura@p5B031108.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:19.35 | JademusSreg | Hallo Mesk. =D |
| 12:19.57 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 12:19.58 | IskatuMesk | ware u been |
| 12:21.44 | JademusSreg | Spending time with family, tinkering with some sexy new dev tools, determining how some closed-source proprietary engines accomplished certain technical feats with voxels. |
| 12:22.03 | IskatuMesk | I see |
| 12:22.12 | JademusSreg | And you? =D |
| 12:22.23 | IskatuMesk | I have no family and I am too incompetent to work with any dev tools, so I've just been sitting here drinking coffee perpetually |
| 12:22.35 | JademusSreg | I also have coffee. =D |
| 12:22.39 | IskatuMesk | mmm |
| 12:23.09 | IskatuMesk | I am assuming no real progress has been made with the AI yet? |
| 12:23.37 | IskatuMesk | not sure where you left off |
| 12:23.44 | IskatuMesk | (or what you were even working on at the time) |
| 12:23.59 | JademusSreg | Needless to say, didn't work on AI during that period, but shall resume work now that I'm back. Starting by dismembering the mod, rearranging components so I can iteratively test with greater efficiency. |
| 12:24.25 | IskatuMesk | I am maybe 2-3 weeks from completing retribution |
| 12:24.35 | IskatuMesk | I just need some outsourced voices |
| 12:24.44 | IskatuMesk | and to work on polishing it up |
| 12:25.01 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 12:25.08 | IskatuMesk | so no big rush |
| 12:25.10 | IskatuMesk | was just curious |
| 12:25.24 | IskatuMesk | the project kind of hinges on that AI haha |
| 12:25.50 | JademusSreg | Sincerely, recoding the AI is trivial. -TESTING- the AI is non-trivial. =D |
| 12:26.06 | IskatuMesk | does my current setup for 0x01 not suffice? |
| 12:26.22 | IskatuMesk | I would presume any changes could be easily tested by running those changes in that map |
| 12:26.30 | IskatuMesk | with those cheats |
| 12:27.05 | IskatuMesk | at least, that's how I did my own AI testing |
| 12:27.21 | IskatuMesk | though I had one other map I also used, but the only major difference was it was zerg (and performs way worse with less players) |
| 12:27.58 | JademusSreg | Yes, just that I need to work with the code from inside the map, since the AI, map, and how the AI behaves are intimately linked, aaand since updating the mod for each test is a huge pain in the ass. There might be another way to streamline the process, dunno, |
| 12:28.47 | IskatuMesk | it is kind of dumb you can't run multiple instances of the editor |
| 12:29.07 | JademusSreg | Well, there are ways, but wouldn't solve the issue. |
| 12:29.22 | IskatuMesk | update the mod in one, hit test in the other |
| 12:29.27 | IskatuMesk | saves you the multi-minute load |
| 12:30.01 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but that precisely highlights the issue, the failure to reload. |
| 12:30.14 | IskatuMesk | wut |
| 12:30.40 | IskatuMesk | well, my dad |
| 12:31.01 | JademusSreg | Old shit in memory, modifying the mod doesn't notify dependent stuff that it needs to reload. |
| 12:31.13 | IskatuMesk | even when you reload the game?> |
| 12:31.16 | IskatuMesk | really? |
| 12:31.18 | IskatuMesk | that's silly |
| 12:31.27 | JademusSreg | Yep, thus the need to reload the document. |
| 12:31.36 | IskatuMesk | yet you have the crazy reload to switch between maps currently opened in the editor... |
| 12:31.39 | IskatuMesk | it can't do either part right |
| 12:31.42 | IskatuMesk | that's retarded as hell |
| 12:31.48 | JademusSreg | Or rather, thus my personal need to move the scripts to the map while I'm working on it. |
| 12:32.18 | IskatuMesk | exactly what I have come to expect out of blizzard |
| 12:32.21 | IskatuMesk | be backwards, always |
| 12:32.24 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 12:32.34 | JademusSreg | Bassakwards. |
| 12:32.38 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 12:41.10 | JademusSreg | brb, gonna be a busy day |
| 12:50.44 | Goa | JademusSreg when will you stop the necrophilia with SC2 and start using Unity?:D |
| 12:52.48 | IskatuMesk | ew unity |
| 12:55.58 | Ahli_ | hmm, do empty labels now have a width of 0? |
| 13:00.47 | JademusSreg | Silly Goa, I already use Unity as well. |
| 13:01.06 | Goa | I know |
| 13:01.20 | JademusSreg | Ahli, wouldn't that depend on if they have collapse or such enabled? |
| 13:01.30 | Goa | but when will you go full on and when will we see all the haxes you made with it?:D |
| 13:02.39 | JademusSreg | I've made various prototypes, but inspiration has yet to arrive. |
| 13:04.04 | JademusSreg | (And unfortunately the ideas I find especially exciting are so far beyond the scope of what I could make alone as to be effectively unattainable.) |
| 13:05.32 | Goa | :) |
| 13:05.44 | Ahli_ | I didn't research that, I only noticed that they broke my weapon/armor upgrades display |
| 13:06.21 | JademusSreg | Hm, odd. Perhaps a change to the template. |
| 13:07.04 | JademusSreg | Or changes to the frames somewhere to which they were anchored. |
| 13:10.42 | IskatuMesk | with unreal there are few things beyond the scope of what I could make alone if I could learn the basics of unrealscript |
| 13:10.54 | IskatuMesk | alas, I am braindead, so learning is sort of out of the question |
| 13:12.30 | IskatuMesk | luckily, everything I make is pretty easy to actually make just on behalf of knowing what makes good games and what doesn't |
| 13:12.38 | IskatuMesk | the most complex parts are likely to be AI-related again |
| 13:13.02 | IskatuMesk | as a bonus, literally everything I have made for sc2 can be used in unreal :3 |
| 13:13.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:13.16 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:26.00 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | shoves a Nanoceramic baseball bat up JademusSreg's behind. |
| 13:26.08 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | Say, JademusSreg, weren't you involved with StarCraft Universe? |
| 13:28.19 | IskatuMesk | scamming people does sound like something he would do for sport |
| 13:28.43 | IskatuMesk | like a pocket capitalist |
| 13:32.05 | JademusSreg | I was a contributor, by no means in a design or executive function. |
| 13:32.46 | IskatuMesk | this frame server for vegas seems to break audio at the very end every time |
| 13:33.48 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | JademusSreg, do you know if they scammed us |
| 13:33.52 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | #landOfBrokenPromises. |
| 13:34.48 | IskatuMesk | kickstarter is by nature scamming |
| 13:34.58 | IskatuMesk | that's why they call it scamstarter |
| 13:35.26 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | Richard Lewis knew it all and stuff. |
| 13:35.38 | IskatuMesk | I would say it was a hilarious waste of money but then I look at planetary annihilation and star citizen and realize even more hilarious wastes of money exist |
| 13:35.49 | IskatuMesk | time to eat a fistfull of dicks, brb |
| 13:36.01 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | I do so enjoy a vistful of ducks. |
| 13:39.47 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure it's not a scam in the sense that folks are still working on it and fully intend to deliver something, though if one determines or otherwise defines a scam differently that's undetermined. |
| 13:40.46 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | True |
| 13:40.53 | Ataturk_Brohenhe | JademusSreg, what is your opinion on anilingus? |
| 13:41.20 | JademusSreg | I'm under NDA, so I can't detail shit, but it's still active. =D |
| 13:43.16 | JademusSreg | I have no opinion on anilingus, as opinions are useless. No wait, I have one useless opinion about the word; it's spelled oddly, would intuitively spell it "analingus". |
| 13:46.19 | IskatuMesk | it's a scam in the sense that people paid for an sc2 map. |
| 13:46.58 | IskatuMesk | I mean, I find it amazing you can deprive retards of their money so easily... but the system also makes it too easy to take advantage of the uneducated |
| 13:47.30 | IskatuMesk | not even something original... amazing |
| 13:49.31 | JademusSreg | Back when SCU's kickstarter was in the press, I was tasked with combating some misinformation. =D |
| 13:49.32 | JademusSreg | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/08/starcraft-mmo-is-only-80000-from-becoming-a-reality/?comments=1&post=25092723 |
| 13:49.46 | IskatuMesk | lol, they even tried to call it an mmo. |
| 13:50.01 | IskatuMesk | that entire headline is just hysterical |
| 13:50.10 | IskatuMesk | implying it costs money to make an sc2 map |
| 13:50.11 | JademusSreg | Yep, haha, |
| 13:50.36 | IskatuMesk | but then again, if I recall, that website has been very commonly pointed out to me as a hipster site |
| 13:51.08 | IskatuMesk | so it's really not surprising they would back something like SCU |
| 13:52.49 | JademusSreg | Despite the confusion and aggravation in the comments, people seemed to enjoy my response, haha. |
| 13:53.03 | turtles1 | SWEET! an online C++ compiler and virtual machine. Who needs to install random xml programs from dodgy websites when I can code it myself :D |
| 13:53.11 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 13:53.27 | turtles1 | (sorry, I know that is not relevant to current conversation) |
| 13:53.37 | IskatuMesk | there is no trustworthy solution for those needs? |
| 13:53.58 | JademusSreg | No worries, turt, even better would be to paste the info about it. =D |
| 13:54.05 | JademusSreg | In case anyone else needs such a thing. |
| 13:54.28 | turtles1 | couldn't find anything which would definitively say whether it did what I wanted |
| 13:54.57 | turtles1 | and I'm not installing and trialing 20 different "DIY xml readers" from random websites |
| 13:55.17 | turtles1 | What I actually want is really simple, so I can do it myself in 10 minutes |
| 13:55.24 | JademusSreg | Find an open source one and build the binaries yo'self? |
| 13:56.04 | turtles1 | I doubt others will find it useful what I am doing as it is specific to my current task at hand |
| 13:56.25 | turtles1 | on Windows. I don't have any compilers |
| 13:56.32 | JademusSreg | HAha. |
| 13:56.48 | turtles1 | not even perl on command line or anything :( |
| 13:56.54 | turtles1 | stupid windows |
| 13:56.59 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 13:59.14 | JademusSreg | imagines it's a windows VM running on some cloud service like EC2, attempting to generate an executable to leverage an exploit like bash shellshock as a proof of concept compromise to a system without any support from the operator of the remote VM. |
| 13:59.34 | IskatuMesk | running anything through a cloud would be painful... dat latency |
| 14:00.08 | turtles1 | ? ship code to external computer, give it input, await output |
| 14:00.13 | turtles1 | where is the latency? |
| 14:00.14 | IskatuMesk | I hate awaiting |
| 14:00.31 | IskatuMesk | I dislike even usb latency |
| 14:00.34 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 14:01.02 | IskatuMesk | plus, it's canada. Every kb I transfer over the internet is sucking our country dry of oil, and the conservatives cry harder and harder |
| 14:01.22 | IskatuMesk | Think about it. My messages are written in harper's tears. |
| 14:01.43 | turtles1 | for any decently large computation required adding a few extra seconds onto it is negligable |
| 14:01.57 | IskatuMesk | I would still prefer everything to be local |
| 14:02.21 | IskatuMesk | I'm not a programmer, but I can't imagine doing anything I normally do, like audio or 3d, having any kind of network middleman at any point |
| 14:02.54 | turtles1 | say I have a computer calculating 1000000 primes (because why not). |
| 14:03.08 | turtles1 | I could run the program locally and leave it running overnight |
| 14:03.16 | IskatuMesk | most I would do is a render farm... because those computations are just impossible locally |
| 14:03.39 | IskatuMesk | yeah, if it's something enormous then it makes no difference |
| 14:03.42 | IskatuMesk | I figured you meant for small things |
| 14:03.49 | turtles1 | nah |
| 14:04.11 | IskatuMesk | then you are talking render farm sort of stuff |
| 14:04.24 | IskatuMesk | which is just pointless to do locally unless you actually have a local farm network |
| 14:04.28 | turtles1 | although things like google docs have been useful to me before |
| 14:04.29 | IskatuMesk | which I would love to get... but, money |
| 14:04.47 | turtles1 | due to using shitty computers with no decent software |
| 14:04.51 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 14:05.14 | JademusSreg | Would be more useful to use it to crack password hashes, haha. |
| 14:05.20 | IskatuMesk | that, too |
| 14:05.29 | IskatuMesk | in that case just hire a russian botnet |
| 14:06.24 | turtles1 | also "implying it costs money to make an sc2 map" < it costs time to make anything. time = money |
| 14:06.26 | IskatuMesk | did you ever get a recording of your gravelly voice, jade? |
| 14:06.30 | IskatuMesk | nah. |
| 14:06.40 | IskatuMesk | making custom content for someone else's game doesn't really "cost money" |
| 14:06.56 | IskatuMesk | else my campaigns, tcs, et all would have had price tags |
| 14:06.56 | A1win | time is only money if you use it to make money |
| 14:07.01 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 14:07.03 | turtles1 | just because something had no production costs does not mean it does not cost anything or should not cost anything |
| 14:07.10 | IskatuMesk | sure it does |
| 14:07.18 | IskatuMesk | it also depends on the work involved |
| 14:07.22 | IskatuMesk | sc2 is very high level and simple stuff |
| 14:07.32 | IskatuMesk | and battle.net's limitations inhibit any real major work |
| 14:07.41 | JademusSreg | Hoping to get a day where the larvae are tended by a elder matriarch, then I'll have the necessary quiet. =D |
| 14:07.46 | turtles1 | it is as simple as you make it |
| 14:08.02 | IskatuMesk | well, you can't even program shaders for sc2 |
| 14:08.17 | IskatuMesk | you lack all the basic material functions something like unreal offers - an entire dimension of graphics entirely inapplicable to sc2 |
| 14:08.21 | turtles1 | I have used openGL commands to render stuff to screen for a game I made in C++ |
| 14:08.31 | turtles1 | but that was a simple game |
| 14:08.35 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 14:08.44 | IskatuMesk | and you won't ever need that level of programming for sc2 |
| 14:08.50 | JademusSreg | You can try, but it refuses to load em. Poor shaders. |
| 14:09.02 | IskatuMesk | sc2 is more menial |
| 14:09.22 | turtles1 | or you could make something really complex using a high level tool. The complexity does not come from the tool or the platform |
| 14:09.34 | turtles1 | the complexity comes from how complex you make it |
| 14:09.35 | IskatuMesk | you can make the argument and say that menial work can still be paid for, which is true, but if the workload is so great you need to burn 80k for it, why not making something that is actually worth making? because it's just a ploy to suck money out of people |
| 14:10.01 | Rommper | blizz still didn't implemented custom attribute adding like biological etc? |
| 14:10.02 | IskatuMesk | complexity is limited by your platform |
| 14:10.53 | turtles1 | not at all |
| 14:11.15 | IskatuMesk | no custom content deserves money because it is the most insincere form of production when it comes to game development |
| 14:11.33 | turtles1 | that is like saying complexity is limited by the language you use |
| 14:11.36 | IskatuMesk | and I would go to say 99% of games deserve no money either, because they're shit :3 |
| 14:11.44 | IskatuMesk | well, let me put it this way... |
| 14:11.48 | turtles1 | you can write simple things in assembly language |
| 14:11.48 | IskatuMesk | I am making a radioplay, right? |
| 14:11.58 | IskatuMesk | there are things I can't do with it on behalf of it being audio |
| 14:12.10 | turtles1 | and you can create complex things in Java/VB/SC2/insert high level tool here |
| 14:12.14 | IskatuMesk | I am excluded from a huge variety of avenues to present content, explore fleshing out the experience, etc. |
| 14:12.47 | IskatuMesk | sc2's multiplayer platform rules out anything involving WASD controls, twitch reflexes, accuracy, etc. on an even remotely serious level due to the input latency |
| 14:13.00 | IskatuMesk | the graphics rule out much by having no access to custom shaders, materials, etc. |
| 14:13.10 | IskatuMesk | sc2 rules out multiplayer TC's and other elements due to the size limits |
| 14:13.16 | IskatuMesk | those alone limit you greatly |
| 14:13.41 | turtles1 | ahh, we are talking past each other then. |
| 14:13.47 | IskatuMesk | possibly, yes |
| 14:13.51 | IskatuMesk | if you mean in a literal sense, I agree |
| 14:13.56 | turtles1 | you are saying that no complex game made will be FUN |
| 14:14.00 | IskatuMesk | technically speaking, you can achieve a lot with very little |
| 14:14.06 | A1win | breadth of complexity is limited by the platform, depth is limited by memory |
| 14:14.26 | IskatuMesk | I did things with iscript in sc1 no one had ever thought possible and yet it had absolutely no apparent power of that degree |
| 14:14.36 | JademusSreg | Economic value is derived from acquisition against scarcity of resources, most fundamentally the resource of labor and time, which is to say life. Life is traded to spur commerce, life is burned to fuel industry. Or the short version: Full Metal Alchemist. |
| 14:14.41 | IskatuMesk | but I am more or less talking about design here |
| 14:14.55 | IskatuMesk | it is pointless to make a project so big it requires 80k in sc2 because you can't actually do that |
| 14:15.00 | IskatuMesk | unless you make it SP only |
| 14:15.04 | IskatuMesk | (like my campaign) |
| 14:15.26 | IskatuMesk | and yes, I will put an absolutely disgusting amount of time into it, years, and expect nothing in compensation |
| 14:16.13 | turtles1 | I was confused because the word "complex" is being thrown around in a very wishy-washy way |
| 14:16.20 | IskatuMesk | well |
| 14:16.26 | IskatuMesk | I am shitty with words |
| 14:16.26 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 14:16.47 | turtles1 | by complex you are talking about complexity of gameplay |
| 14:16.51 | IskatuMesk | sc2 is incapable of "big" projects. It can do "complex" things, but not very well, and many cases not in multiplayer |
| 14:16.58 | IskatuMesk | well, to an extent, yes |
| 14:17.17 | IskatuMesk | but that doesn't really encompass SCU because SCU is a generic TPS RPG clone |
| 14:17.27 | IskatuMesk | so for that, it's not really a question about complexity |
| 14:17.34 | IskatuMesk | but a question about creativity and completion |
| 14:17.59 | IskatuMesk | if your goal was to hire a bunch of big name voice actors and flesh out a soundtrack, then I say, oh, yes, you'll certainly want some money for that |
| 14:18.23 | IskatuMesk | but sc2 wouldn't even support that because you'd need an exorbitant amount of accounts just to make it available, and suffer the game's throttled bandwidth to acquire it |
| 14:18.33 | turtles1 | Q: if they decided to create the same game in a different engine would you still think of it as a sham? |
| 14:18.33 | IskatuMesk | just not worth the time or effort |
| 14:18.36 | IskatuMesk | nope |
| 14:18.47 | turtles1 | scam* |
| 14:18.50 | JademusSreg | Personally, seems rather silly to pay monies for a SC2 mod/content, but if people can pull that off, I congratulate them. |
| 14:18.58 | IskatuMesk | I mean, I wouldn't like the concept, but if you were using Unreal, you need far more skill, time, and you need to create your own assets |
| 14:19.19 | IskatuMesk | then it would be a real test of the developer |
| 14:19.20 | turtles1 | I've played for and played some pretty shitty games |
| 14:19.27 | IskatuMesk | and that money would probably partly go to tutoring |
| 14:19.31 | IskatuMesk | aye |
| 14:19.38 | IskatuMesk | I've played more shitty than I care to admnit |
| 14:19.48 | IskatuMesk | that's also why I dislike things like kickstarter |
| 14:19.55 | IskatuMesk | it's handing people money before they have proven themselves worthy of it |
| 14:20.12 | IskatuMesk | and people are too easily convinced through words |
| 14:20.19 | Rommper | i think they made the kickstarter so they won't be in the same footsteps as for example our modeler : working on three job and doesn't have time to seriously concentrate on our mod |
| 14:20.34 | IskatuMesk | perhaps |
| 14:21.01 | IskatuMesk | I cannot say it is an illegitimate thing, because people paid for it, and the project is being made, only that I find the entire concept of such a thing being possible ludicrous |
| 14:21.04 | IskatuMesk | especially for a map |
| 14:21.28 | Rommper | ScU won't be just one map as far as i know |
| 14:21.35 | turtles1 | I guess I just don't see the distinction based on what tools they used. When people put money towards the kickstarter they are putting money towards the finished product. What tools used to get there are completely irrelevant |
| 14:21.43 | IskatuMesk | I have worked, and worked around, mods, maps, and massive conversion projects since 1999 and never did money ever become an element in it. It seems to be a fad today to think you need money to do something |
| 14:22.16 | A1win | not all tools can be used to end up with the same finished product :I |
| 14:22.22 | A1win | especially in this case |
| 14:22.27 | IskatuMesk | yep. |
| 14:22.46 | IskatuMesk | if you told me they reversed the exe, wrote their own netcode and are hosting their own server, then I would be more convinced |
| 14:22.49 | JademusSreg | Wish I could generate multiple instances of myself, now that would be productivew. |
| 14:22.53 | IskatuMesk | because that's what modders actually do. |
| 14:23.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~AndChat47@213.87.143.8) |
| 14:23.45 | IskatuMesk | zolden has returned |
| 14:23.48 | IskatuMesk | vodka in hand, bear in stride |
| 14:23.59 | JademusSreg | Fatalism in the rear. |
| 14:24.47 | JademusSreg | Damnit, should have said "dick jokes" instead of making a cultural/philosophical reference. |
| 14:24.52 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 14:25.16 | IskatuMesk | anyways, it's the same reasoning why I refuse to be involved with partnerships for youtube and all that despite the many offers I got |
| 14:25.45 | IskatuMesk | I despise the entire system in general that empowers that kind of laziness |
| 14:25.55 | IskatuMesk | can't do anything about it, but I can hate. |
| 14:26.48 | Zolden | Jade i have plans to remake ur photon cycles in unity, u ok about it? |
| 14:26.57 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 14:27.10 | IskatuMesk | if I actually had money, and wasn't bleeding out the ass to pay for vet bills and moving, I'd consider paying someone to teach me programming |
| 14:27.13 | IskatuMesk | now that I could justify |
| 14:27.29 | IskatuMesk | if only because watching people suffer is ceaselessly entertaining to me |
| 14:30.42 | turtles1 | Iskatu pick a language and follow a tutorial |
| 14:30.53 | IskatuMesk | following tutorials has never worked out for me |
| 14:30.59 | IskatuMesk | I just can't process the information very well |
| 14:31.03 | IskatuMesk | learning disabilities are fun :3 |
| 14:31.13 | turtles1 | don't follow all the way, pick tasks relevant to you and learn as you go |
| 14:32.04 | turtles1 | create a basic calander application |
| 14:32.07 | IskatuMesk | maybe jade can document his work on the AI when all is said and done, I can try to extrapolate that information |
| 14:32.09 | turtles1 | that you would use |
| 14:32.17 | IskatuMesk | and then harbor some understanding how C works as an indirect result |
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| 14:32.57 | turtles1 | trying to learn via AI code is throwing yourself in the deep end |
| 14:33.01 | IskatuMesk | it took me a very long time to figure out that galaxy doesn't use waits, and doesn't just freeze the game from having no waits |
| 14:33.04 | IskatuMesk | indeed |
| 14:33.43 | IskatuMesk | especially when it is so hardcoded |
| 14:33.49 | IskatuMesk | I kept looking for things that just didn't exist |
| 14:34.23 | IskatuMesk | and to think I hope to one day take unreal 4 source and implement TressFX and AA into it |
| 14:35.00 | IskatuMesk | but I think it's really the syntax that gets me |
| 14:35.11 | Tomura | someone already is working on that |
| 14:35.17 | IskatuMesk | oh? fantastic |
| 14:35.20 | Tomura | at least tressfx |
| 14:35.33 | IskatuMesk | Unreal needs some real anti-aliasing. FxAA is just awful |
| 14:35.44 | IskatuMesk | couldn't do anything about all my jaggies |
| 14:35.49 | Tomura | it has some custom temporalAA |
| 14:36.03 | IskatuMesk | is that unreal 4 only? |
| 14:36.08 | Tomura | yup |
| 14:36.11 | IskatuMesk | butts |
| 14:36.18 | IskatuMesk | well, another reason to get it when I do finally go there |
| 14:36.40 | IskatuMesk | how much did the UI change from the UDK? |
| 14:36.49 | Tomura | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Jwdzdrnf4 |
| 14:36.53 | IskatuMesk | particles etc looked the same, but the general map editor seemed different |
| 14:37.01 | Tomura | did change quite a bit for some parts |
| 14:37.04 | Tomura | but mostly for the better |
| 14:37.18 | Tomura | you can customize it to some extend to be like UE3 |
| 14:37.19 | IskatuMesk | alright. I wasn't used to it yet, so it should hopefully be ok |
| 14:37.54 | Tomura | you problably don't want to use UE4 with a small screen though |
| 14:38.24 | Tomura | because they put the content browser into a sidebar |
| 14:38.34 | IskatuMesk | oh wow, temporal is a HUGE improvement |
| 14:38.50 | IskatuMesk | yeah, I recently got a second monitor in anticipation of more work on unreal |
| 14:39.02 | IskatuMesk | man, that makes me want to really give Retribution a real try one day |
| 14:39.10 | IskatuMesk | as a movie, like it should have been |
| 14:39.41 | IskatuMesk | maybe if I am still alive when the sc2 project is dealt with I'll try to do that. we'll see |
| 14:40.40 | IskatuMesk | let's hope by then I am a bit better at modeling. :3 |
| 14:41.02 | Tomura | other AA methods might be pretty hard to implement because of deferred rendering |
| 14:41.05 | IskatuMesk | can you finally drag-drop multiple static meshes at once from the content browser into a scene? |
| 14:41.21 | IskatuMesk | doing my 100+ object scenes on by one took an eternity |
| 14:42.04 | IskatuMesk | though admittedly, less needed now, since the vertex limit for static meshes was raised |
| 14:42.07 | Tomura | ummm I think I can only drag one at a time from content browser to scene |
| 14:42.20 | IskatuMesk | penises |
| 14:42.30 | Tomura | you could probably create a blueprint or blueprint utility that generates the meshes |
| 14:42.36 | Tomura | if there is some sort of logic to it |
| 14:42.47 | Zolden | IskatuMesk no need to hire coding teacher, programming is extremely simple, there only 2 things: if condition do stuff, and while condition, do stuff. Besides only a bit math and a bit api. |
| 14:42.50 | IskatuMesk | they all need to be at world pos 0 |
| 14:42.51 | IskatuMesk | that would align them all just dandily |
| 14:43.13 | IskatuMesk | what is api? |
| 14:43.33 | JademusSreg | Application programming interface. |
| 14:43.42 | IskatuMesk | so, like libraries? |
| 14:44.19 | Tomura | oh |
| 14:44.19 | JademusSreg | Libraries tend to have APIs, so yes, roughly correct. =D |
| 14:44.30 | Tomura | you actually can drag multiple objects from CB to scene |
| 14:44.35 | Zolden | like u have premade object that does stuff, and u ask it to do stuff |
| 14:44.37 | Tomura | didn't know that |
| 14:44.37 | IskatuMesk | awesome |
| 14:44.46 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 14:45.46 | IskatuMesk | Tomura what have you created with unreal 4 so far? |
| 14:46.27 | IskatuMesk | I tested a few things a while back like putting Lineage2 psk/psa straight into udk with no problems https://i.imgur.com/I7d1aWz.jpg |
| 14:46.52 | Tomura | http://youtu.be/tcpvk3rprWo |
| 14:47.31 | Tomura | then I also did this one weekend for Xaragoth. http://youtu.be/FLNoQ1DM0mA He wanted to do some kind of portfolio level |
| 14:48.33 | Tomura | and this is also some weekend-project: http://youtu.be/kheBa3GdE0w controlling a spaceship with the gravity sensor of my phone |
| 14:49.11 | IskatuMesk | very nice |
| 14:49.22 | IskatuMesk | the second one is not unlike what I would do, I intended to make a DMC style game |
| 14:49.36 | IskatuMesk | http://www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/ret_devseries/rettest18.mkv |
| 14:49.42 | IskatuMesk | the scenes in this were the furthest I got |
| 14:49.47 | IskatuMesk | they have some example particles and such |
| 14:50.08 | IskatuMesk | (the other footage is from sins of a solar empire, since I didn't know programming I wasn't expecting to be able to do fleet battles in UDK... now wish I had tried) |
| 14:51.47 | IskatuMesk | might be able to use some of those meshes in sc2 |
| 14:52.00 | IskatuMesk | were pre-rendered cinematics a thing in sc2, I'd probably pre-render every one and use the UDK for it |
| 14:52.18 | IskatuMesk | even if I couldn't animate the models |
| 14:53.32 | IskatuMesk | both the beginning and end show the UDK scene |
| 14:53.56 | IskatuMesk | I was going to need some crew models for it, and figure out how to detail those consoles, and then make a column of lightning for the center thing |
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| 15:10.50 | IskatuMesk | also jademus, xenon sent me some example stuff for the Destroyer of Hope a few days ago. The rear attack thing looks pretty cool |
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| 15:40.47 | JademusSreg | Who doesn't love a rear attack? =D |
| 15:43.06 | ArcanePariah | Creepy |
| 15:56.34 | Dustin|Home | Omg Jade is back :D |
| 15:58.37 | Zolden | does rear attack involves penis as the main weapon? |
| 15:58.48 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 15:58.56 | IskatuMesk | like a whip |
| 15:59.28 | IskatuMesk | there is an upgrade for penille rib oscillation that increases the rate at which it increases the planet's atmospheric temperature through friction |
| 16:00.30 | turtles1 | <3 C++ |
| 16:02.44 | turtles1 | http://pastebin.com/CmR4ESk3 |
| 16:02.45 | turtles1 | 40 lines of C++ >> installing 20 shitty homemade xml viewer programs trying to find one to do what I want |
| 16:04.01 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 16:13.30 | JademusSreg | Hallo Dustin. =D |
| 16:13.37 | Dustin|Home | sup :D |
| 16:18.05 | IskatuMesk | secondary monitor so useful |
| 16:19.21 | turtles1 | hacking C++ at 2AM brings back the nostalgia but I have to wake up in 4 hours :O |
| 16:19.21 | turtles1 | Night everyone |
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| 16:31.06 | Zolden | Jade why v - velocity, m - mass, a - acceleration, f - force, but s - ... distance? |
| 16:32.23 | Zolden | shouldnt it be some kind of squelobority to fit it by first letter? |
| 16:35.27 | Ahli_ | maybe some latin word? |
| 16:35.50 | Zolden | i'm curious, which one |
| 16:36.46 | Ahli_ | German-latin online dictionary delivers spatium |
| 16:37.14 | Zolden | oh, sounds correct |
| 16:39.28 | Zolden | speaking of latin names |
| 16:40.02 | Zolden | Jade btw how do u like the idea of my puzzle? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Zolden.Quadrium |
| 16:40.45 | Zolden | there's video that explains the idea |
| 16:46.31 | JademusSreg | Like Tetris+2048 played on the face of a rubiks cube. |
| 16:54.28 | Ahli_ | damned, I need to watch twitch streams on mobile or they start to lag |
| 16:55.05 | Ahli_ | "low" is too high for this connection.... |
| 16:59.20 | Zolden | if low is too high, maybe high is too low and will work smooth? |
| 17:00.20 | Zolden | Jade yea, it's tetris+2048. But google removed it for my first attempt to name it Tetros |
| 17:01.22 | JademusSreg | Tetra^2 |
| 17:01.43 | Zolden | true |
| 17:02.24 | Dustin|Home | Zolden, can you not rotatet he new pieces? |
| 17:02.58 | Zolden | yes |
| 17:03.10 | Zolden | they are being rotated for u |
| 17:03.24 | A1win | (which is very unintuitive) |
| 17:03.58 | A1win | they don't behave like tetris blocks |
| 17:04.01 | Dustin|Home | whaa im watching the video and some shit is coming from the top but ends up below another piece |
| 17:04.16 | Zolden | if theoretically figures u trying to merge can fit one square, they will merge |
| 17:04.53 | Zolden | program checks all rotations of each figure for each position |
| 17:05.13 | Zolden | 12 dimential search per merge |
| 17:05.13 | Dustin|Home | So it's not tertris, it's get the right amount of squares in the big square? |
| 17:05.32 | A1win | shapes still matter |
| 17:05.43 | Dustin|Home | Im so confused |
| 17:05.47 | A1win | hehe |
| 17:05.50 | A1win | I was too |
| 17:06.03 | Dustin|Home | It starts to make sense then I see something happen that doesnt follow any of the normal rules I thought existed lol |
| 17:06.19 | Zolden | A1win i believe it can become intuitial after some practice |
| 17:06.30 | A1win | well, anything can |
| 17:06.39 | A1win | but that's not what intuitive means :P |
| 17:06.59 | A1win | the whole point of being intuitive is to not need practice |
| 17:07.32 | A1win | so it should follow rules that people already are familiar with, and only introduce small differences |
| 17:07.33 | Zolden | Dustin u can rotate them in imagination, and if u find a combination where they all fit, program will too |
| 17:09.15 | Zolden | i wish, but when 3 figures inside one square can accept different figures with different placement, im forced to show only one placement of those 3 figures |
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| 17:09.59 | Goa | Zolden which Unity did you use to upload? |
| 17:10.10 | Goa | I am kinda waiting for 4.6 for UI |
| 17:10.15 | Zolden | game is too different from tetris to maintain tetris relaited intuitivity |
| 17:10.20 | A1win | there's already 4.6 beta |
| 17:10.32 | Goa | yeah, but I am not fun of betas |
| 17:10.32 | Zolden | Goa 4.3 maybe |
| 17:10.41 | A1win | Zolden, yeah and that's why you shouldn't have used tetris blocks :P |
| 17:10.51 | Zolden | the one thar is free and downloadable as not beta |
| 17:10.55 | A1win | (in the design) |
| 17:11.50 | Zolden | A1win they dont belong to tetris, they belong to platonian ideal space, they are spatially predefined shapes |
| 17:11.50 | A1win | 4.5.4 is the newest non-beta unity |
| 17:12.08 | Zolden | then 4.5.4 it is |
| 17:12.47 | Goa | I feel like I am totally failing in art |
| 17:13.06 | Zolden | if tetris was never invented, my game would be intuitivier maybe |
| 17:13.34 | Zolden | Goa dont worry, game design > art |
| 17:13.44 | A1win | it would be less unintuitive ;x |
| 17:13.59 | A1win | art is very important if you want to make any kind of profit |
| 17:14.11 | Zolden | but art still is good, angry bird's success is art rekated |
| 17:14.17 | A1win | or more accurately, the personality of your game is important |
| 17:14.23 | Zolden | angry turd |
| 17:14.35 | Goa | Rommper I dont read local news but today I googled into this Norwegian contra Hungary stuff and I realized I really shouldnt read local news cause it just makes me really sad.... |
| 17:14.59 | A1win | personality of the game is important to get people to try it, and gameplay is important to keep people interested after they've tried it |
| 17:15.01 | Zolden | Goa same here |
| 17:15.21 | Goa | Zolden my Flappy game is awesome but the textures I am using suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks |
| 17:15.33 | Zolden | yea, art welcomes new players, invutes them to dl |
| 17:16.06 | A1win | name, art, brief descriptions, marketing, stuff like that |
| 17:16.17 | A1win | art isn't the only thing that creates the personality |
| 17:16.24 | Goa | Zolden after reading stuff today, it seems like Putin has a real admirer here on the top :) |
| 17:16.37 | A1win | *visual art |
| 17:16.45 | Zolden | Goa guess ask your female friends to draw the textures( females frequently have drawing skills |
| 17:17.16 | Goa | I am lots of art related female friends |
| 17:17.24 | Goa | so I will do that one point |
| 17:17.29 | Rommper | mi történt Goa? |
| 17:17.32 | Goa | ofcourse none has real job:D |
| 17:17.36 | Zolden | Goa i heard hungury stopped gas transition to ukraine which is proputin measure |
| 17:17.47 | Goa | yeah |
| 17:17.52 | Rommper | yes we stopped |
| 17:17.53 | Goa | dont know why did that happen too |
| 17:18.24 | Goa | we have like the biggest containers in Europe to store gas and its barely half full before the Winter |
| 17:18.32 | Rommper | because Putin told around two weeks ago they don't like we transport them and they will do stuffs against us if we don't stop |
| 17:20.16 | Zolden | one more example of good art -> success is old gobliiins game |
| 17:21.02 | Zolden | poor french 2d artist did a good job |
| 17:21.44 | Zolden | so there's reason to try different artists for each new game to try to find something cool |
| 17:21.46 | Zolden | or |
| 17:22.00 | Zolden | just fucking proc gen textures |
| 17:22.05 | Goa | Rommper my Dad thought that government bashing the Norwegian civil orgs cause they have stolen money, so I read after it and we are bashing them because probably our government stole the money that Norwegian sent for other stuff and they didnt liked that... |
| 17:23.32 | Rommper | Norvég esetről nem hallottam :S |
| 17:23.37 | Rommper | mi történt? |
| 17:23.54 | Zolden | more and more eu countries involved in some conflicts, just like begofore ww1 |
| 17:23.56 | Goa | http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norv%C3%A9g_Alap_%C3%A9s_EGT_Alap#A_magyar_korm.C3.A1ny_v.C3.A1djai_.C3.A9s_a_kifizet.C3.A9sek_felf.C3.BCggeszt.C3.A9se |
| 17:24.17 | Goa | jobb ha nem olvasod el:D |
| 17:25.14 | Goa | not really Zolden |
| 17:25.49 | Goa | only some countries really fucked up and we are both in really fucked up ones |
| 17:26.00 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, this is more akin to the lead up to WW2. Large economic inequality, multiple competitions for resources, nationlism running fairly high. |
| 17:27.44 | ArcanePariah | From my understanding, in Russia, you had basically an oligarchy until putin and now you have semi Soviet setup. |
| 17:28.15 | JademusSreg | Naw, the oligarchy is entrenched. |
| 17:28.21 | Zolden | lucky, no one seems to be spamming tanks on the industrious revolution wave, also nukes... so no war to expect |
| 17:29.06 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, true, we still retain a cold war mindset of simply using proxies to do the actual fighting. |
| 17:29.11 | Zolden | its olygarchy now too, but also semi-soviet setup :) |
| 17:29.28 | Goa | yeah, nukes destroy imperialism boner. |
| 17:29.47 | Goa | speaking of, Zolden did you watch the new SP episode already?:D |
| 17:29.58 | ArcanePariah | Well, I say semi soviet, because to my understanding, in the Soviet times, the rich and politically connected controlled major industries anyhow. |
| 17:30.11 | Zolden | yea, cold war mindset explains putin's decisions |
| 17:30.15 | ArcanePariah | So was a oligarchy behind the scenes, usually members of politoboro. |
| 17:30.51 | Goa | I have a feeling that far right and nationalism is only getting stronger in Europe, mostly because Russia secretly funneling them money:) |
| 17:30.59 | Zolden | Goa i will when i get home, there's no torrent downloafer on phone |
| 17:33.23 | Goa | so |
| 17:33.32 | Goa | anyone have good wing models?:D |
| 17:33.40 | Goa | time to make my flying egg |
| 17:33.41 | Zolden | europe is a socialist tolerant pussy now, so stupid ppl trying to compensate it with right radicalism |
| 17:34.25 | Goa | Zolden there are communists too |
| 17:34.41 | Goa | not only right wing nationalism is on high |
| 17:35.04 | Zolden | maybe someone could 2d draw it? wings shape and motion is complex for 3d |
| 17:35.28 | Goa | I dont even know how should I make it flap |
| 17:35.47 | Goa | should I just have at as 2 separate object and script it? |
| 17:36.22 | Zolden | one simple way: import muta, remove mesh, use ur own mes on its flying skeleton |
| 17:37.25 | A1win | I think I need to use a scripted skeleton for my game, need so many dynamically blending animations |
| 17:37.27 | Zolden | maybe scripting will work with one object, but 2 animations |
| 17:37.37 | A1win | but I've never done anything related to skeletons and animation |
| 17:37.55 | Zolden | theres state machine based way to switch abims |
| 17:38.12 | A1win | yeah I know, but I don't think it's flexible enough |
| 17:38.51 | JademusSreg | Social species are known for peculiar heuristic survival strategies. For instance, the huge-nest-building birds of africa liberally partake of unfamiliar food sources when their colonies are prosperous, yet when food is scarce and the colony starves, the birds avoid unfamiliar foods and refuse to eat anything other than what is most familiar. |
| 17:38.54 | Zolden | A1win u tried it? it allows to control blending |
| 17:39.21 | A1win | I need to be able to control the rotation of all three joints of both arms dynamically so that the arms/weapons don't overlap each other when swining around |
| 17:39.36 | JademusSreg | Regressive conservatism is by no means limited to birds. =D |
| 17:39.56 | Goa | :D |
| 17:40.27 | Zolden | why birds do that? where's logic? |
| 17:40.35 | Goa | JademosSreg so thats why there are so many fat people these days:) |
| 17:40.52 | JademusSreg | Heuristic; it' |
| 17:40.54 | Goa | Zolden evolution is beuty |
| 17:41.10 | JademusSreg | it's not a conscious deliberation, but a reaction to stress. |
| 17:41.22 | Goa | my egg http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/621578 |
| 17:42.25 | Zolden | i'd expect stress to increase fitness |
| 17:42.32 | ArcanePariah | It does not |
| 17:42.44 | JademusSreg | Psychology of humans reveals parallels, where human children under stress revert to previous habits, a strategy aptly refered to as "regression". |
| 17:42.44 | ArcanePariah | Fitness reduces stress |
| 17:44.30 | Zolden | my grandmother said they used to harvest rotten remnants of potatoes in the fields to survive during ww2, it feels logical, why not birds do that |
| 17:44.38 | Zolden | lol arcane |
| 17:45.31 | JademusSreg | Soviet soldiers would boil clothing for food. =D |
| 17:45.45 | JademusSreg | *"food" |
| 17:46.11 | Zolden | i mean fitness function, as evolutionary estimation if a specie |
| 17:46.54 | Zolden | yea, leather boots for example, yummy |
| 17:47.42 | Zolden | those african birds will just extinct with such reaction to stress |
| 17:47.44 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, normally yes, but us humans have sidestepped biological evolution using our brains, we now employ this thing called "Culture" to socially evolve past what our biology would normally permit. |
| 17:48.57 | ArcanePariah | Our basic physiology is quite pathetic to be honest, shitty sense of smell, physically weak (a gorilla could punch you and kill you instantly), very slow, average eyesight. |
| 17:49.26 | A1win | for now |
| 17:49.37 | TwoDie | more like would boil comrades for food.. |
| 17:49.55 | Zolden | yea, we evolved alot on pure brain+sociality advantage |
| 17:50.08 | JademusSreg | Anyway, one may read regressive conservatism as an outward indication of a society's stress. On the face of it, US, Europe, Russia demonstrate varying magnitudes of regression in several fields, whilst China seems to be going in the opposite direction (however slowly and reluctantly). |
| 17:50.21 | Rommper | Captain, We have sucessfuly ate the last remaining canibale |
| 17:50.41 | Zolden | TwoDie yea, leningrad was sieged, and ppl ate other ppl butts |
| 17:51.14 | JademusSreg | Arc, a chimp is more than strong enough to kill a human, no gorilla required. =D |
| 17:51.32 | TwoDie | how about those milfs? |
| 17:51.41 | JademusSreg | Hell, a wombat is more than strong enough to kill a human. |
| 17:51.46 | TwoDie | with big tits |
| 17:52.38 | Zolden | Jade in russia conservatism maintains stress factors alive and stress factors maintain regressive conservatism, we're trapped in positive feedback loop for centuries |
| 17:52.45 | Rommper | sssh TwoDie it was too straight talk, don't distrubd your gay talking with things like this |
| 17:53.10 | Zolden | lol |
| 17:53.32 | IskatuMesk | I thought americans were like gelatinous cubes, but blubber? what happens when you punch a gelatinous cube? yes, it eats you |
| 17:53.42 | Zolden | wombats too cute to kill |
| 17:53.44 | IskatuMesk | big ol texan man just mow through a pack of gorillas like bacon |
| 17:54.11 | IskatuMesk | canadians on the other hand, we are like albino cavemen |
| 17:54.18 | IskatuMesk | worshipping the glorious bibble |
| 17:54.28 | IskatuMesk | aka america |
| 17:54.45 | IskatuMesk | need putin to come over and discipline us |
| 17:54.58 | JademusSreg | Magnetic Induction Launch Funnel |
| 17:55.01 | JademusSreg | Nail'd it. |
| 17:55.16 | IskatuMesk | dats wut she sed |
| 17:56.00 | Zolden | Goa ur link covered by ad, use damn snaggy |
| 17:56.28 | Goa | fucking egg, I have no idea how could fit colliders on it in a good way without using mesh one |
| 17:56.33 | IskatuMesk | I haven't seen an ad on the internet for years... |
| 17:56.43 | Zolden | putin is christian too btw Iskatu |
| 17:57.03 | Rommper | just ortodox |
| 17:57.05 | Goa | Zolden use add blocked |
| 17:57.08 | JademusSreg | A funnel structure has the benefit of complementing the activity associated with the acronym's phrase. |
| 17:57.09 | Goa | blocker* |
| 17:57.19 | TwoDie | ad? |
| 17:57.24 | Goa | yeah |
| 17:57.26 | IskatuMesk | putin should enact some crusades then |
| 17:57.32 | Zolden | rai |
| 17:57.35 | Rommper | shouldn't |
| 17:57.53 | Goa | holy land of Europe must be conquered! |
| 17:58.20 | IskatuMesk | banner of bear shall fly high in all reaches of the capitalist swine lands |
| 17:58.44 | Rommper | yeah i want the manipulative bullshit flying spagetti monster |
| 17:59.04 | Zolden | not just orthodox, even has some inquisitionist smell |
| 17:59.14 | Rommper | thou i would be happy with the tesla machines, bears and vodka |
| 17:59.17 | JademusSreg | "A wombat may allow an intruder to force its head over the wombat's back, and then use its powerful legs to crush the skull of the predator against the roof of the tunnel" |
| 17:59.32 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 18:00.15 | IskatuMesk | wombear |
| 18:00.51 | Zolden | Goa child colliders are like a part of the collider component |
| 18:01.14 | Goa | I know |
| 18:01.24 | Zolden | so use 3-4 con-axis spheres as egg shape |
| 18:01.33 | JademusSreg | Douglas Adams wrote by far the best description of the wombat (and incidentally the place where they should be avoided, Australia). |
| 18:02.01 | Goa | hmm multiple spheres |
| 18:02.01 | IskatuMesk | when I think of Australia |
| 18:02.03 | IskatuMesk | I think of the emu war |
| 18:02.06 | Goa | didnt thought of that |
| 18:02.31 | JademusSreg | Good luck getting a collider with more than 255 polygons working in unity, ugh. |
| 18:02.43 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 18:02.50 | JademusSreg | Fucking nvidia. |
| 18:02.58 | IskatuMesk | lol, nvidia |
| 18:02.58 | Rommper | haha the emu war xDD |
| 18:02.58 | Goa | though I realized that I dont even need complex colliders as I am colliding with the roof and the floor... |
| 18:03.06 | Rommper | that was hilarious |
| 18:03.38 | Zolden | right, simple calcs can be done instead of physics |
| 18:04.14 | JademusSreg | Hey, if you don't need complex colliders, but make everything a box. Or use shitwhistling Hammer, where apparently everything is a box, lord help you if you want something that isn't a box. |
| 18:04.16 | Zolden | colliders with 255+ polys sound like waste of performance |
| 18:04.43 | Zolden | even sc2 uses sphere/cube/cylunder cillidrs only |
| 18:04.53 | IskatuMesk | I always find it amazing anyone still takes nvidia seriously |
| 18:05.30 | A1win | that's the only part I don't like about unity |
| 18:05.35 | A1win | weird jello physics |
| 18:05.39 | JademusSreg | Zol, that's for the entire asset, including mesh geometry not actively involved in collision. |
| 18:05.52 | IskatuMesk | brb |
| 18:06.25 | Goa | finally http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/stephen-hawking-atheist_n_5882860.html |
| 18:07.13 | JademusSreg | Which means can't just have complex meshes just work, oh no, gotta make colliders cast ahead and instance collidable surfaces from a subset of larger mesh. |
| 18:07.19 | Zolden | though, mesh geometry can do hit test, though it's not performance heavy operation, in sc2 |
| 18:08.34 | Zolden | Jade its to save performance, is it price not worthy? |
| 18:08.36 | Goa | does ud have better mesh collider? |
| 18:08.48 | Zolden | Tomura |
| 18:08.54 | Tomura | ! |
| 18:09.15 | Zolden | what about nesh colliders in ue? |
| 18:09.30 | Tomura | what about them? |
| 18:09.54 | Zolden | can they have 255+ polys? |
| 18:10.09 | JademusSreg | Goa, that's news? What's next? "ALL BABIES ARE ATHEIST: Groundbreaking study reveals newborns, infants, toddlers do not believe in gods". |
| 18:10.24 | Tomura | don't know |
| 18:10.32 | Goa | :) |
| 18:10.35 | Tomura | you probably wouldn't want that |
| 18:10.46 | Tomura | in that case you'd make a proper collision mesh |
| 18:11.11 | Tomura | more verts = more traces |
| 18:11.40 | JademusSreg | Performance wise, yeah, I have unrealistic demands, but the least they could do is attempt to fulfill my idiotic wishes with a system that works just well enough to make me regret wanting it, sheesh. |
| 18:11.41 | Tomura | it'S CPU side PhysX I think |
| 18:11.46 | Zolden | oh, i just remembered, art tools can create mesh fitting colliders for physics, with limit of some, maybe 255 oilys |
| 18:12.06 | Zolden | same as unity uses? |
| 18:12.56 | Tomura | I can't racks polys on generated collision hulls |
| 18:13.00 | Tomura | *track |
| 18:13.46 | Zolden | Jade pc performance grow rate is 10% a year, while soft requires more and more, soon u may feel the desired regret frequently |
| 18:14.01 | Tomura | I think there is no real limit |
| 18:14.04 | Tomura | just performance |
| 18:14.24 | JademusSreg | Yupyup, I've crashed other games that failed to cap collidable geometry. Thus the need to cast ahead for a sample and/or simplify the geometry, refine as needed. |
| 18:15.02 | Zolden | alright... but i think they sumplify meshes for physics needs |
| 18:15.33 | JademusSreg | And unity explicitly errors+prohibits colliders with more than 255 polys because of Fizzex. |
| 18:18.44 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, wish I could get my phalanges on VoxelFarm's engine and code for volumetric octree representation & serialization. |
| 18:21.39 | IskatuMesk | I've got a phalange for you right here... |
| 18:21.46 | Tomura | https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Physics/index.html |
| 18:22.49 | IskatuMesk | physx... so icky... |
| 18:23.14 | IskatuMesk | I'd find something that doesn't rely on under table money exchanging for physics |
| 18:23.20 | JademusSreg | Not that they've explicitly said that's how it works, not that I recall, but rather it's the only way they could keep the memory footprint small enough for it to be a useful game engine. |
| 18:25.34 | JademusSreg | Hm, that actually makes UE seem quite appealing. |
| 18:26.56 | Zolden | ok, time to lower body entropy by removing high entropy matter |
| 18:27.09 | JademusSreg | Yay thermodynamics. |
| 18:30.29 | IskatuMesk | jade getting ideas |
| 18:30.50 | IskatuMesk | I wouldn't touch unity simply because of drm and because I've seen no good games come from it personally, unreal always been my pick |
| 18:32.05 | Dustin|Home | hearthstone was made in unity |
| 18:32.13 | Dustin|Home | as well as countless other good games |
| 18:32.18 | IskatuMesk | "good" |
| 18:32.20 | Dustin|Home | And what do you mean DRM on unity? |
| 18:32.23 | IskatuMesk | "hearthstone" |
| 18:32.24 | JademusSreg | Related, been considering employing octree volumetric representations for physics entities in conjunction with affine space for relative position+rotation and more broadly to provide physical reference frames. |
| 18:32.25 | IskatuMesk | huehuehue |
| 18:32.30 | Dustin|Home | Hearthstone is a damn good game |
| 18:32.34 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 18:32.50 | Dustin|Home | Ive enjoyed it quite a lot |
| 18:33.02 | IskatuMesk | I have enjoyed some shitty games too |
| 18:33.23 | JademusSreg | Well, fake affine space, the root reference frame would in practice amount to absolute position+rotation. |
| 18:33.26 | IskatuMesk | just about nothing blizzard has produced since d2 classic is objectively "good" |
| 18:33.38 | Dustin|Home | It sure the fuck is |
| 18:33.40 | IskatuMesk | I am going to space YOUR affine |
| 18:34.07 | Goa | I wouldnt touch unity if I would be a big good developer company with lots of cash and 100+ employeee |
| 18:34.18 | Goa | making high graphics game |
| 18:34.56 | IskatuMesk | and as for drm, iirc unity's full editor is locked behind some pay wall, and you have to buy netcode and shit (which, as far as I know, is universally available in UDK, not sure about unreal 4) |
| 18:35.36 | Dustin|Home | That's not DRM |
| 18:35.49 | Dustin|Home | There's unity free which you can do a shit tone with |
| 18:36.10 | Dustin|Home | and there's these the pro which is for big stuidios who want latest and greatist shader and features |
| 18:36.16 | Dustin|Home | And even then it's a 1 time fee |
| 18:36.52 | Dustin|Home | And no, basic netcode is free, as well as you having the option to purchase modules and librarys and assets from their marketplace |
| 18:37.10 | Dustin|Home | You're pretty hateful for not knowing that much about it =/ |
| 18:37.33 | Dustin|Home | Anyway, off to work! |
| 18:38.56 | IskatuMesk | I haven't seen anything decent come from it, sooo.. |
| 18:39.00 | Goa | yeah, if buy all the shit on asset store you can pretty much get a better unity 3d editor than ud |
| 18:39.14 | IskatuMesk | or you can just download udk for free |
| 18:39.37 | IskatuMesk | 20 bucks get you u4 AND the source code for it... |
| 18:39.54 | IskatuMesk | I don't think unity even has PBL |
| 18:40.20 | IskatuMesk | restricting shaders and shit is kind of lame for a free version |
| 18:40.33 | JademusSreg | Just the other day, I thought to myself "gosh, why hasn't anyone started an open source alternative to minecraft", and then I found this: http://terasology.org/ |
| 18:40.42 | IskatuMesk | I would understand if they restricted certain publishing features, but arbitrarily disabling stuff like that is a good reason to use the superior engine anyways |
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| 18:41.25 | IskatuMesk | cryengine might be a good contender for unreal, been a few ok games for it, nothing recent though |
| 18:41.39 | Tomura | cryengine is pretty hard to use and support is very bad |
| 18:41.45 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 18:41.45 | Tomura | from what I've heard |
| 18:41.50 | IskatuMesk | I know nothing about it |
| 18:42.01 | IskatuMesk | and I have only played Aion |
| 18:42.01 | Tomura | a lot of users also get banned from forums when they bitch about missing features and stuff |
| 18:42.05 | IskatuMesk | rofl |
| 18:42.34 | Tomura | and with the current model you have to pay for a wwise license if you want to have a commercial release |
| 18:42.45 | JademusSreg | Anyone who loves minecraft or (rather more like myself) hates minecraft's gameplay but enjoys its premise and feels it really just needs good core gameplay. terasology is for you, maybe. |
| 18:43.03 | IskatuMesk | Jademus, in that case, dwarf fortress or terraria |
| 18:43.16 | JademusSreg | Cryfolks have a shady reputation, no shock there, haha. |
| 18:43.38 | IskatuMesk | never saw the appeal for minecraft |
| 18:43.45 | Tomura | well then again my information only comes from devs who came from cryengine to unreal |
| 18:43.46 | IskatuMesk | especially when there was already dwarf fortress |
| 18:43.49 | Tomura | so might be very biased |
| 18:44.08 | Tomura | something cryengine does very good is rendering |
| 18:44.26 | Tomura | especially outdoor environments look great |
| 18:44.30 | IskatuMesk | everyone has told me unity has drm related to its free version and is technologically less advanced than the other two engines, more something for mobile games (which of course I wouldn't touch with a 69 foot pole) |
| 18:44.47 | IskatuMesk | when it was mentioned any real netcode is a separate buy I found that hysterical |
| 18:44.56 | IskatuMesk | I usually go by games for examples, though |
| 18:45.03 | IskatuMesk | Unreal has very solid performance |
| 18:45.14 | IskatuMesk | UT3 ran quite well on a radeon 9800 pro |
| 18:45.24 | IskatuMesk | and still looks better than most modern games |
| 18:45.50 | IskatuMesk | I threw in dozens of lights and a 1 mill tri scene with zero optimization of any kind, not even the slightest hiccup |
| 18:46.26 | IskatuMesk | from what I understand, Unreal did struggle at some point with skeletal meshes |
| 18:46.34 | IskatuMesk | in that large numbers of bones could cause it to drop performance |
| 18:46.45 | Tomura | that can happen |
| 18:47.33 | IskatuMesk | also, unreal's particles are extremely good |
| 18:47.52 | IskatuMesk | even lineage 2 has really good particles and that is unreal warfare |
| 18:48.25 | IskatuMesk | UT3 does a poor job of showing what it's capable of, I looked at Tera for examples |
| 18:48.33 | IskatuMesk | very simple, very fast, very pretty |
| 18:49.07 | IskatuMesk | the material and particle systems together create truly incredible power with particles I don't see many games even attempt to tap into |
| 18:50.06 | IskatuMesk | some games are terrible examples though |
| 18:50.20 | IskatuMesk | Bulletstorm doesn't use depthbiasalpha, so their smoke and stuff just clips through everything and looks terrible |
| 18:51.11 | IskatuMesk | I am pretty happy sc2 supports that |
| 18:53.08 | IskatuMesk | the only thing I couldn't get working in the UDK due to its complexity was particles that were effected by lights |
| 18:53.40 | IskatuMesk | I had the light effect working based on a material I had found on yahoo world wide web search, but the particles "snapped" out of existence and seemed to refuse the system's blending information |
| 18:53.43 | Tomura | was that possible in UE3? |
| 18:53.49 | IskatuMesk | supposedly yes |
| 18:54.12 | IskatuMesk | I had the lit portion working, but it definitely broke something else in the process |
| 18:54.15 | IskatuMesk | UE3 even supports PBL |
| 18:54.24 | IskatuMesk | it's just really, really slow :D |
| 18:54.53 | IskatuMesk | the kind of things you can do with the materials in that engine is crazy |
| 18:55.06 | Tomura | yeah the material editor is pretty cool |
| 18:55.14 | Tomura | also for post-processing effects |
| 18:56.50 | IskatuMesk | Yeah. I think most games just stick to defaults and it looks way overdone |
| 18:56.53 | IskatuMesk | but there's a lot of tuning you can do |
| 18:57.25 | IskatuMesk | I for one hate depth of field and how games liberally crank that up, so I probably would just stick to good old environmental fog |
| 18:57.57 | IskatuMesk | and the fog does look very good |
| 18:58.25 | IskatuMesk | people kept complimenting my random screenshots, as though they were thinking I had some idea of what I was doing :3 |
| 18:59.05 | IskatuMesk | how long did it take you to become fluent in the editor? |
| 18:59.53 | Tomura | I'm still not fluent. I can do most of the basics, but I'm sitting in Visual Studio most of the time |
| 19:00.00 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 19:00.34 | IskatuMesk | I may have asked this before... I am really tired and not very coherent... but if I were to want to manage a huge number of turrets, what would be the best way? |
| 19:00.35 | Tomura | but most of the stuff is self explanatory |
| 19:00.44 | Tomura | unless you want to do something very complex |
| 19:01.13 | IskatuMesk | the answer I got on the forums two years ago for UDK was that I would need to know unrealscriptr |
| 19:01.26 | IskatuMesk | which is what lead me down a huge, time-wasting shitstorm |
| 19:02.15 | Tomura | I'd also say that you should skip Unreal Script if you want to move to UE4 |
| 19:02.22 | IskatuMesk | oh? |
| 19:02.26 | IskatuMesk | blueprints that good? |
| 19:02.28 | Tomura | since it uses c++ |
| 19:02.31 | IskatuMesk | oh |
| 19:02.35 | IskatuMesk | I thought unrealscript was basically C++ |
| 19:02.59 | Tomura | not really |
| 19:03.12 | IskatuMesk | when I messed a bit with kismet, I figured you could manage turrets and such through kismet, if the turrets were AI players |
| 19:03.13 | IskatuMesk | but we' |
| 19:03.21 | IskatuMesk | we'd be talking about a few hundred thousand, probably... |
| 19:03.28 | Tomura | but learning to program in Unreal Script would still teach you the API which is similar |
| 19:03.45 | Tomura | or rather the way Epic likes to structure a game |
| 19:04.04 | Tomura | even though, they changed a couple of things in UE4 |
| 19:04.27 | IskatuMesk | if I wanted to get into that, should I just immediately start with C++, UDK, or something like C first? |
| 19:04.31 | Tomura | But you will learn what a Pawn, Controller, World, GameMode, etc is |
| 19:04.51 | Tomura | hmmm proper C++ knowledge would be good |
| 19:05.13 | Tomura | at least you need to know OOP, Pointers, References, Makros, etc |
| 19:05.31 | IskatuMesk | I don't even know basic html, so I'm off to a great start |
| 19:05.35 | Tomura | learning UDK is good for learning the way Epic does stuff |
| 19:05.44 | Tomura | but you can also jsut purchase UE4 for that |
| 19:05.48 | Tomura | and then cancel the sub |
| 19:05.48 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 19:06.01 | IskatuMesk | that was my plan, once my sc2 project was under control |
| 19:06.09 | IskatuMesk | did you watch that video I linked before? |
| 19:06.18 | Tomura | But Blueprint also works very well |
| 19:06.56 | Tomura | so you might actually be able to skip C++ |
| 19:07.02 | IskatuMesk | I see |
| 19:07.45 | Tomura | blueprint is equally fast to unreal script |
| 19:07.50 | Tomura | in terms of performance |
| 19:08.06 | Tomura | but ca. 10x slower than c++ |
| 19:08.27 | IskatuMesk | so, if you were to make an ARPG, you'd definitely want all actual AI/gameplay in C++ |
| 19:08.37 | IskatuMesk | but map elements and the like could be blueprint |
| 19:09.00 | Tomura | yes |
| 19:09.17 | Tomura | the AI part would probably be made using the behavior tree module though |
| 19:09.33 | IskatuMesk | I presume that is new to unreal 4 |
| 19:09.38 | Tomura | yes |
| 19:10.41 | Tomura | the downside to blueprint is that it can get very confusing when you have large networks |
| 19:10.48 | Tomura | but you can collapse nodes |
| 19:10.52 | Tomura | or define functions |
| 19:11.01 | IskatuMesk | that was what I was most worried about when it came to the turret thing, even if it was simple, the sheer scale may be overwhelming to manage |
| 19:11.13 | IskatuMesk | I was hoping to make it as automated as possible |
| 19:11.20 | IskatuMesk | were I to attempt that project |
| 19:12.29 | Tomura | http://youtu.be/FLNoQ1DM0mA |
| 19:12.33 | Tomura | this is 100% blueprint |
| 19:13.04 | Tomura | but personally I find the networks to be too large to manage in comparison to normal code |
| 19:13.30 | Tomura | so for my shooter I make base classes in C++ and expose some events and properties |
| 19:13.41 | IskatuMesk | with kismet it did seem they could become quite massive very easily |
| 19:13.44 | Tomura | and do the individual guns, pawns, etc in blueprint |
| 19:13.56 | Tomura | kismet is even worse |
| 19:16.41 | Tomura | one good thing about blueprint is, that you have very short iterations times. Compiling does only take a second, so you can test changes immediately |
| 19:17.09 | IskatuMesk | ah, immediate testing... I am hardly into sc2 and already miss the sc1 instant loading |
| 19:17.21 | IskatuMesk | waiting 3+ minutes to test if some value changed is absurd |
| 19:17.56 | Goa | my beautiful flying egg http://pbrd.co/ZYp1Qo (need to add colors to wings) |
| 19:18.05 | Goa | texture* |
| 19:18.16 | IskatuMesk | "image not found" |
| 19:18.29 | Goa | ehh |
| 19:19.25 | IskatuMesk | does unreal 4 still allow you to import psa/psk |
| 19:20.27 | Tomura | just fbx |
| 19:20.33 | Tomura | or obj |
| 19:20.40 | Tomura | and I think they are working on collada |
| 19:20.58 | IskatuMesk | I'd have to run everything through max then... might be unpleasant for how many conversions I'd have to do... but I'd have most set up for sc2 already |
| 19:21.12 | Tomura | and I think they are donating to blender to have better compatibility |
| 19:21.13 | IskatuMesk | I would be mass porting graphics |
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| 19:21.32 | IskatuMesk | I can't model characters... soo yeah |
| 19:22.03 | IskatuMesk | and all the doodads, too. Luckily there's a max script that batch exports stuff to fbx |
| 19:24.31 | IskatuMesk | I should have done something productive with my time, like worked on my audiobook |
| 19:24.33 | TwoDie | anyone had experience here with sc2 particles that uses mesh? |
| 19:24.37 | IskatuMesk | but I find unreal too fascinating |
| 19:24.53 | IskatuMesk | not mesh particles personally, delphinium did mention there was some bugs with them |
| 19:25.10 | IskatuMesk | not sure of specifics |
| 19:25.14 | IskatuMesk | I presume that is related? |
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| 19:26.01 | TwoDie | maybe |
| 19:26.34 | TwoDie | have set my particle to use mesh and exports that mesh as separeted model.. |
| 19:27.12 | TwoDie | as its reqiures to use groups and groups considered by script is a new model that needs to be exported. |
| 19:27.20 | IskatuMesk | is your scene set to export as a scene? |
| 19:27.27 | TwoDie | yes |
| 19:27.47 | Goa | WHAT |
| 19:27.55 | Goa | stronghold 2 is out!? |
| 19:28.04 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 19:28.08 | IskatuMesk | all I can hear is old men swearing |
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| 19:28.54 | TwoDie | how about making particles being displayed in different shape. having texture 1x1 to be transformed to 4x1 shape |
| 19:29.05 | IskatuMesk | now that is a really weird one |
| 19:29.12 | IskatuMesk | sc2 is very odd about that, can't just tell it to do that |
| 19:29.16 | IskatuMesk | you have to use tail or trail |
| 19:29.19 | IskatuMesk | or pinned |
| 19:29.39 | IskatuMesk | and sort of stretch it out with the tail length |
| 19:29.42 | IskatuMesk | and just hope it works :3 |
| 19:29.54 | TwoDie | ^^ |
| 19:30.00 | IskatuMesk | I found that frustrating as hell. The one thing I am not too happy about with sc2's particles so far |
| 19:30.44 | IskatuMesk | I don't know why it would export them separately unless it was told. May be the bug delphinium mentioned, as he never mentioned any specifics |
| 19:31.04 | IskatuMesk | there is source (scene) and Output (complete, model, anim, etc)... |
| 19:31.07 | TwoDie | i guess i will need then to use custom texture for that.. as wanted to use original sc2 texture for this particle |
| 19:31.31 | IskatuMesk | also "split particles" |
| 19:32.01 | IskatuMesk | which would definitely split them from the mesh |
| 19:32.19 | TwoDie | nothing of sorts selected. opening 3ds max export and i get this shit |
| 19:32.24 | IskatuMesk | all I know about groups is that how the exporter handles things like multi-doodad exports and such |
| 19:33.00 | TwoDie | yeah and particles to use custom models for particles uses groups |
| 19:34.33 | IskatuMesk | does it work fine using preview? |
| 19:35.09 | TwoDie | yes |
| 19:35.24 | IskatuMesk | ... try seeing if the preview files it creates can be used? :D |
| 19:35.32 | IskatuMesk | not sure if it makes an m3 |
| 19:35.33 | TwoDie | its like previewing file with groups |
| 19:35.38 | TwoDie | of trees in tutorial |
| 19:35.46 | TwoDie | works great until u export it |
| 19:35.47 | IskatuMesk | ah, yes it does |
| 19:36.01 | IskatuMesk | under appdata\local\temp\ |
| 19:36.04 | IskatuMesk | previewtemp\ |
| 19:36.23 | IskatuMesk | though be sure to grab it with Use Mopaq Paths |
| 19:36.31 | IskatuMesk | else other people won't see the textures :D |
| 19:37.42 | Repo | New map: Floodlings II - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/floodlings_2/ |
| 19:41.15 | IskatuMesk | also, another bug someone told me about - anything using sc2's existing textures still need those textures imported into the map |
| 19:41.29 | IskatuMesk | in case it loads but shows up without textures |
| 19:44.39 | TwoDie | well there is this link in exported model, the location where everything was put in |
| 19:44.40 | TwoDie | D:\Starcraft 2 Projects\Warcraft Request Models\orcs\town hall\Orc_TownHall_TDe_08_PrtMdl_Group001.m3 |
| 19:44.59 | TwoDie | seems like it searches for this mesh |
| 19:45.01 | TwoDie | or what |
| 19:45.18 | IskatuMesk | where is it looking for that? |
| 19:45.24 | IskatuMesk | in the m3 itself? |
| 19:45.35 | TwoDie | yeah, that uses particles |
| 19:45.46 | IskatuMesk | have you tried importing them as-is? |
| 19:45.50 | IskatuMesk | does it just break? |
| 19:46.10 | TwoDie | well i havent rommper did so |
| 19:46.22 | TwoDie | the guy who im work for :s |
| 19:46.26 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 19:47.07 | IskatuMesk | if it does work, then that just means it spawns that file as a particle... a bit weird... but if it doesn't work, then I am really not sure' |
| 19:51.00 | TwoDie | hmm it seem to work |
| 19:52.15 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 19:53.49 | IskatuMesk | It's almost noon... I should really sleep... |
| 19:53.56 | IskatuMesk | so... hopefully that works out for you |
| 19:54.04 | IskatuMesk | good night~ |
| 19:55.51 | TwoDie | bb |
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| 20:38.07 | ArcanePariah | Arr matey |
| 20:38.27 | ArcanePariah | Our glorious leader has returned, thereby disproving the legend that I had devoured him. |
| 20:57.53 | greybeard | I did no such legendization |
| 21:01.32 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lORmgVXOFQ |
| 21:16.31 | JademusSreg | Harhar |
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| 21:50.35 | javascripter | anyone here know how to make something with the "initially hidden" box checked know how to make a trigger make that visible? |
| 21:52.22 | ArcanePariah | Turn Trigger On/Off action |
| 21:55.20 | javascripter | that disables/enables a trigger from running based on events? |
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| 21:55.50 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the action can turn any trigger on or off, so you can have one trigger turn another off or on. |
| 22:05.22 | javascripter | no, i'm not trying to turn triggers on/off |
| 22:06.05 | ArcanePariah | Oh, you are referring to a unit |
| 22:06.11 | javascripter | you know the screen you get if you double click an object placed on the map? on that screen, if I have the "initially hide object" box checked |
| 22:06.11 | Dustin|Work | You mean, "initially on" and not "initially hidden" |
| 22:06.14 | javascripter | ya, a unit |
| 22:06.20 | Dustin|Work | Oh |
| 22:06.21 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 22:06.24 | javascripter | initially hidden, that. |
| 22:06.45 | ArcanePariah | I imagine there is an action to reveal the unit or set the Hidden state off. |
| 22:07.34 | javascripter | I read somewhere that it exists, but I can't find it |
| 22:07.50 | javascripter | or figure out any other way to put a unit down (a beacon) that can be removed later. |
| 22:07.57 | Dustin|Work | Why are you using initially hidden to begin with? What's the plan? |
| 22:08.21 | Dustin|Work | Easy, just create a new unit, assign a global variable the unit reference and done |
| 22:09.28 | javascripter | trying to make a beacon that will show up at a specific time then disapear later |
| 22:09.48 | Dustin|Work | Ya, just use what I said and it'll be cake |
| 22:10.05 | Dustin|Work | Then you can run RemoveUnit($referenceToBeacon) |
| 22:10.09 | Dustin|Work | when you're done with him |
| 22:10.41 | javascripter | alright. how do I make a global variable that is a unit? |
| 22:11.16 | Dustin|Work | Make a variable of type UNIT on the left trigger listing panel |
| 22:14.23 | javascripter | that is easy enough, but how do I set it to the unit? |
| 22:15.02 | javascripter | nevermind, found it, last created unit |
| 22:17.21 | A1win | show/hide unit is the action you were initially looking for (in case you sometimes need to hide it rather than remove) |
| 22:18.04 | javascripter | I think I tried that, but I'm not sure if I did or not. I probably didn't, though I remember seeing it. |
| 22:38.53 | javascripter | thanks, I got it working with adding and global variables |
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| 23:47.55 | Repo | New asset: WingedArchon Assets - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wingedarchon-assets/ |
| 23:48.07 | Dustin|Work | Winged Archon huh |
