| 00:14.08 | Kazimir | Anyone here familiar with the AI for attack waves? I can't get my waves to stop milling about in a blob in the middle of a field. I'm very confused. |
| 00:16.39 | Kazimir | Even setting them to suicide isn't fixing it. |
| 00:48.23 | Kazimir | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/cluster.png |
| 00:48.34 | Kazimir | My attack wave is being stupid. Halp. |
| 00:50.46 | Kazimir | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/cluster2.gif |
| 00:50.54 | Kazimir | ^gif of the offending behaviour. |
| 00:51.20 | Dustin|Work | I havent messed with internal AI stuff, if I need something done I code it in with man force! |
| 00:51.45 | Kazimir | Can you help me manforce the attack waves of a base survival? |
| 00:52.03 | Dustin|Work | What are you needing them to do? |
| 00:52.14 | Dustin|Work | And how are the units generated on the map and grouped up into attack waves? |
| 00:53.05 | Kazimir | I want them to send units in equal ratio to the density of player units(including structures). A base with 20 units gets twice as many foes as one with 10. |
| 00:53.52 | Kazimir | the current spawner is just spawning them in the base (just offscreen from the gif actually), assigning them to attack waves, assigning the attack wave target, then sending. |
| 00:54.36 | Dustin|Work | You can have a trigger that runs periodically to calculate the number of units the player has and run some function that checks a bunch of spots around the map where the player has units and store the location with the highest density. Then you can group up your attack units and issue them to attack the stored point |
| 00:55.05 | Kazimir | Still doesn't solve the normal attack order being retarded. |
| 00:55.17 | Kazimir | That's why I'm using Attack wave AI |
| 00:55.31 | Kazimir | I have relatively complicated pathing, and a large map. |
| 00:55.37 | Dustin|Work | that's probably why its being retarded, the interal AI does a bunch of stuff |
| 00:55.54 | Dustin|Work | Just use pure basic attack orders |
| 00:56.03 | Kazimir | I used to use those. |
| 00:56.09 | Kazimir | They didn't reach the target reliably. |
| 00:56.20 | Kazimir | they tended to clump up against cliffs. |
| 00:56.29 | Dustin|Work | you have to make sure you're updating their orders |
| 00:56.58 | Dustin|Work | If the path is blocked I could see some issues, but usually they will run to the cloests point they can if the point is within a closed pathing area |
| 00:57.18 | Kazimir | Gimme a sec. I'm gonna send you the thread I made over a year ago explaining the exact problem with the engine's pathing ai. |
| 00:57.31 | Kazimir | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/54558-persistent-pathing-problem/ |
| 00:57.58 | Kazimir | ^Short version: The game treats visual blocked structures on chokes as creating an island. |
| 00:58.05 | Kazimir | then paths repeatedly against the cliff. |
| 00:58.15 | Dustin|Work | Yeah that makes sense |
| 00:58.24 | Dustin|Work | Since they cannot reach the path as it is unpathable to them |
| 00:58.47 | Dustin|Work | So the main problem is maintaining attack order when they cannot path to the location |
| 00:58.48 | Kazimir | the AI can issue supplementary orders for attack waves. |
| 00:59.01 | Kazimir | which helps that to a certain extend |
| 00:59.03 | Kazimir | extent* |
| 00:59.48 | Dustin|Work | you might have to comeup with a system that runs a check along the pathing waypoints and if any units are in the way you issue orderes to attack those if the path is unreachable |
| 00:59.51 | Kazimir | Even with an unstuck trigger(repeating the attack order), they still throw themselves at the cliff |
| 01:00.35 | Kazimir | That sounds like it might be outside my current skillset. |
| 01:00.52 | Kazimir | I'll have to dedicate some time to that. |
| 01:02.22 | Dustin|Work | That's really the only option I see to get around that horrible pathing system |
| 01:02.42 | Kazimir | (btw, my current splitting trigger to get the ratios is just choosing a different random target from all the player's units for each spawned unit) |
| 01:02.52 | Dustin|Work | Would be nice if blizzard had something that checked a point for pathing to it and returned and unit objects that were blocking the pathing or something |
| 01:04.00 | Kazimir | Alright, supplementary question time...I have a spiral buit using nothing but painted pathing. The enemies do the same thing regarding the spiral, but don't even have a blocked path. |
| 01:04.23 | Kazimir | You can see it in the minimap of screenshot |
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| 06:07.54 | Goa | yay, this is what last sc2 patch did to some players in my map: http://brokenalliances.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=186&d=1411583906 |
| 06:08.10 | Goa | now I really gave up on doing anything in SC2.... |
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| 06:14.33 | Bounty | Peow |
| 06:19.16 | duckies | goa, you can't view that screenshot without being logged into BA |
| 06:21.30 | Goa | pff |
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| 06:22.50 | Goa_ | duckies http://pbrd.co/1vfOyPN |
| 06:23.29 | duckies | oh hello pink squares, how I am not surprised =/ |
| 06:23.47 | Goa_ | http://eu.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/15982639 |
| 06:28.27 | duckies | I haven't logged into HS back since Nax came out |
| 06:28.44 | TwoDie | ded gaem |
| 06:28.56 | TwoDie | any blizz gaem is ded |
| 06:29.12 | duckies | I think I haven't even logged for nax, since some blizz warning came to my mail to log in before sept 30 "to claim Nax for free" |
| 06:29.34 | duckies | ded bliz |
| 06:29.59 | TwoDie | no titan ;( much QQ.. so daed |
| 06:31.20 | duckies | hey, maybe they can now spread more effort on other divisions |
| 06:31.41 | duckies | but more bliz art on new IP would be good |
| 06:32.04 | TwoDie | u hope? fuk tem... tei soo daed |
| 06:32.10 | duckies | blizz art is the only thing I have any faith in =/ |
| 06:32.47 | TwoDie | art doesnt make a game... much |
| 06:32.56 | duckies | true dat |
| 06:32.59 | duckies | ded gaem |
| 06:33.19 | Goa | Blizz dead since Warcraft 3 :D |
| 06:33.38 | Goa | and we are necrophiliac |
| 06:33.57 | TwoDie | so need to find all those generic themes for a map.. like lords of the rings maps and shit to make |
| 06:34.04 | duckies | I can agree to that, tho I heard that wow 1 and wow 2 expansions were good |
| 06:35.05 | duckies | I finally got off from sc2 |
| 06:35.22 | Goa | I have to get off of HS |
| 06:35.24 | duckies | replaced my daily sc2 time with some web clicker game |
| 06:35.30 | duckies | much more fun :3 |
| 06:35.41 | TwoDie | :D |
| 06:35.53 | TwoDie | dressing games ftw! |
| 06:36.23 | duckies | =D fashion games for the future generations! |
| 06:36.43 | Goa | :D |
| 06:36.52 | Goa | Facebook ftw! |
| 06:37.06 | duckies | social activityyyy~! |
| 06:37.51 | duckies | we can all agree that facebook is a much superrior gaming platfortm to b-net |
| 06:38.39 | duckies | remember b-net facebook integration in the beginning? facebook dropped b-net cause f-bk was just so much better |
| 06:38.53 | duckies | didn't need that blizz scrub :D |
| 06:39.33 | duckies | meh, where's mah clicker, I need some clicks |
| 06:39.50 | duckies | clicks till his fingers bleed |
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| 06:44.51 | Goa | we should really make a bnet like system for Unity |
| 06:49.39 | TwoDie | and throw into it our non existing money to maintain that system |
| 07:07.05 | Goa | yeah |
| 07:07.20 | Goa | you should sell your organs to get the money |
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| 07:09.22 | Wrath | Anybody here? |
| 07:09.34 | Goa | no |
| 07:09.43 | duckies | not at all |
| 07:09.48 | duckies | all ded |
| 07:10.01 | Wrath | It seems that Blizzard has changed c_playerAny aka "Any Player" to be 16 |
| 07:10.10 | Wrath | And broken any use of it in catalog lookup functions |
| 07:10.11 | Wrath | :| |
| 07:11.27 | Goa | they broke many things with last patch |
| 07:15.40 | TwoDie | fuk blizz dei dont kare about us :( no sw$g for dem |
| 07:34.43 | duckies | seen purl_ |
| 07:35.21 | TwoDie | ~seen purl_ |
| 07:35.26 | purl | TwoDie: i haven't seen 'purl_' |
| 07:36.13 | duckies | ~seen purl |
| 07:36.14 | purl | purl <~purl@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 811d 9h 46m 39s ago, saying: 'ibot is currently on #gsoc (4h 25m 28s) #bzflag (4h 25m 28s) #gooseproject (4h 25m 28s) ##bspress (4h 25m 28s) #brlcad (4h 25m 28s) #handhelds (4h 25m 28s) #utah (4h 25m 28s) #oe (4h 25m 28s) #zaurus (4h 25m 28s) #gllug (4h 25m 28s) #pillbox (4h 25m 28s) #arm-netbook (4h 25m 28s) ... |
| 07:36.59 | duckies | purl is a busy guy |
| 07:37.32 | duckies | ~seen deadzergling |
| 07:37.33 | purl | deadzergling <836b93c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.147.198> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 68d 8h 53m 51s ago, saying: 'Elder Scrolls? heard it kinda sucked'. |
| 07:38.01 | duckies | ~seen bratzo |
| 07:38.01 | purl | i haven't seen 'bratzo', duckies |
| 07:38.07 | duckies | aaw |
| 07:38.59 | duckies | ~seen god |
| 07:38.59 | purl | god <~pawky@193.15.242.97> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 818d 20h 31m 6s ago, saying: 'Am I still the only one who has noticed the Wifi HotSpot softy doesn't actually seem to use the encryption you set it to use?'. |
| 07:39.27 | duckies | ~seen jesus |
| 07:39.28 | purl | jesus <~Elive_use@200-081-038-175.wireless.movistar.net.ar> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 537d 13h 43m ago, saying: 'hola'. |
| 07:39.42 | duckies | ~seen yhwh |
| 07:39.42 | purl | i haven't seen 'yhwh', duckies |
| 07:40.07 | duckies | ~seen satan |
| 07:40.07 | purl | duckies: i haven't seen 'satan' |
| 07:40.34 | TwoDie | what a shity game!! |
| 07:40.59 | duckies | yah |
| 07:41.27 | duckies | ok, one last try |
| 07:41.36 | duckies | ~seen tetragrammaton |
| 07:41.37 | purl | duckies: i haven't seen 'tetragrammaton' |
| 07:41.48 | duckies | that's it, I'm done with you purl |
| 07:42.02 | duckies | ~kick purl in the balls |
| 07:42.02 | purl | ACTION kicks purl in the balls |
| 07:42.56 | duckies | ~seen solomon |
| 07:42.56 | purl | solomon <~Adium@wsip-70-168-114-32.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 744d 11h 47m 18s ago, saying: 'so I'm getting 'Connection failed' when doing [aptitude|apt-get] update, but when I wget the same files it succeeds. I've tried the obvious google search, but i'm inundated with results about people trying to disable proxies, or use proxies properly. I've verified that no proxy is in use, so I'm not sure how to ... |
| 07:43.08 | duckies | ~seen david |
| 07:43.08 | purl | david <32296b9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.41.107.157> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 528d 13h 59m 19s ago, saying: 'or should I just leav it and not mess around with it'. |
| 07:43.24 | duckies | ~seen belzeebub |
| 07:43.24 | purl | duckies: i haven't seen 'belzeebub' |
| 07:44.01 | duckies | this irc has a distinct lack of jewish mythology =/ |
| 07:44.55 | duckies | ~seen cartman |
| 07:44.56 | purl | i haven't seen 'cartman', duckies |
| 07:57.43 | TwoDie | ~seen duckies |
| 07:57.44 | purl | duckies is currently on #sc2mapster (1h 55m 24s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 12m 49s, last said: '~seen cartman'. |
| 07:57.58 | TwoDie | ~seen twodie |
| 07:57.58 | purl | twodie is currently on #sc2mapster (2h 23m 24s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen twodie'. |
| 08:02.32 | duckies | btw, I did see bratzo on sc recently |
| 08:02.41 | duckies | war pigs still not released |
| 08:02.55 | duckies | ded gaem |
| 08:03.34 | duckies | ~seen raptorjesus |
| 08:03.34 | purl | i haven't seen 'raptorjesus', duckies |
| 08:03.41 | duckies | ~seen jesusraptor |
| 08:03.41 | purl | i haven't seen 'jesusraptor', duckies |
| 08:13.54 | TwoDie | what he had to tell? |
| 08:14.57 | Goa | great my 2d unity game lags a bit on Iphone 4 but my 3d game works doesnt lags:D |
| 08:15.24 | duckies | he said he's waiting for lotv assets |
| 08:16.09 | duckies | damn, I just want wc4, with all the fantasy assets and distribution that isn't made by humans who hate fun |
| 08:19.44 | duckies | http://kotaku.com/heres-what-blizzards-titan-actually-was-1638632121 |
| 08:21.11 | Goa | so they wanted to make scifi loap ?:D |
| 08:21.40 | TwoDie | duckies what you mean by hate fun? |
| 08:22.38 | duckies | yuuup :D |
| 08:23.25 | duckies | twod, I mean I'm still bitter about not being able to name your lobbies with either descriptive or just funny captions |
| 08:24.28 | duckies | or at least having some tootlip area where you can enter your custom description text |
| 08:24.30 | duckies | =/ |
| 08:25.35 | Bounty | Titan has "fallen" |
| 08:25.40 | Bounty | lolol |
| 08:35.42 | TwoDie | nanannaanan bounty bounty bounty |
| 08:36.10 | Bounty | TwoDiePie |
| 08:36.22 | TwoDie | :d |
| 08:36.27 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 08:47.47 | Bounty | Nothing like working with someone on an edit for a logo for 32 hours only to come to the conclusion "Yeah, nvm" |
| 08:47.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:49.28 | IskatuMesk | try 1 and a half years of nonstop modeling, particles, testing, etc |
| 08:49.42 | IskatuMesk | because that's exactly what happened to retribution |
| 08:49.54 | Bounty | I think you win and no I will not try to beat that |
| 08:49.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:51.29 | Bounty | Pretty sure it was 10x worse on the artists part though |
| 08:51.50 | Bounty | What we learned was, fuck SC2 Artwork and Models |
| 08:51.53 | IskatuMesk | oh, it is |
| 08:52.02 | IskatuMesk | fuck sc2 in general tbh |
| 08:52.09 | IskatuMesk | I am sure this will happen to my campaign too |
| 08:52.23 | Bounty | Idea was to have Arthas and Kerrigan head to head |
| 08:52.26 | IskatuMesk | I think jade become so enraged with the game he collapsed into a singularity of hate |
| 08:52.31 | Bounty | Arthas was perfect and it was a model shot |
| 08:53.01 | Bounty | With Kerrigan, only option was the crappy default model or the cinematic version |
| 08:53.25 | Bounty | yeah he has not even been online on mapster for awhile |
| 08:53.25 | IskatuMesk | I consider all of the game's models pretty crappy :3 |
| 08:53.46 | Bounty | the cinematic models were nice but they don't fit with Warcraft models of course |
| 08:53.53 | Bounty | so naturally we thought ok, Artwork |
| 08:53.55 | Bounty | well |
| 08:54.14 | Bounty | Apparently there is no Blizzard artwork of any SC2 character looking to the side |
| 08:54.23 | Bounty | kik |
| 08:54.27 | Bounty | lol* |
| 08:54.59 | Bounty | Logo came out good but damn |
| 08:55.02 | Bounty | wanted that so bad |
| 08:55.22 | IskatuMesk | just use metzen's other self insert |
| 08:55.24 | IskatuMesk | what was it, raynor? |
| 08:55.39 | Bounty | ALL SC2 heroes |
| 08:55.44 | IskatuMesk | true dat |
| 08:55.49 | Bounty | no artwork of them looking to the side that was done by Blizzard |
| 08:55.53 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 08:56.01 | IskatuMesk | I can scribble you up one... |
| 08:56.03 | Bounty | Arthas came out perfect |
| 08:56.15 | IskatuMesk | I can draw a mighty fine swastika of penises... |
| 08:56.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:57.20 | Bounty | We've seen enough penis for one day after googling "Phallic Symbol" |
| 08:57.28 | IskatuMesk | rofl |
| 08:57.39 | Bounty | Not a single symbol |
| 08:57.43 | IskatuMesk | once I figure out how to add decals to sc2, I will be sure to draw some pretty manly dicks |
| 08:57.57 | Bounty | Just a bunch of cock shaped sculptures |
| 08:58.31 | Bounty | Our favorites were http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Banana_penis_Beardsley.jpg |
| 08:58.33 | Bounty | and |
| 08:58.48 | IskatuMesk | that is some professionalism |
| 08:58.51 | Bounty | http://www.itshibrow.com/comics/phallic-rocket.jpg |
| 08:59.26 | Bounty | We were just looking for inspiration for the "Power/Strength" glyph |
| 08:59.27 | Bounty | lo |
| 08:59.30 | Bounty | l |
| 08:59.37 | IskatuMesk | use a brofist |
| 09:00.00 | Bounty | eh we settled on something more "cool" |
| 09:00.21 | Bounty | and ambiguous |
| 09:00.28 | IskatuMesk | a dick |
| 09:00.43 | Bounty | damn, how did you know? |
| 09:00.51 | IskatuMesk | instead of cerebrates, the zerg in my campaign will have Giant Cocks |
| 09:00.55 | Bounty | wait no |
| 09:00.58 | Bounty | its ambiguous |
| 09:01.09 | Bounty | Is it a dick? |
| 09:01.12 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 09:01.17 | IskatuMesk | a huge, pulsating dick |
| 09:01.34 | Bounty | But is it? |
| 09:01.35 | IskatuMesk | you need Capitalism to defeat them |
| 09:01.37 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 09:01.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:02.33 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 09:02.46 | IskatuMesk | I'm lacking the documentation for xul`amon's voice...? good job xir |
| 09:03.27 | Bounty | sounds like you need more ambiguity |
| 09:04.25 | IskatuMesk | I think it's time to just yolo |
| 09:04.49 | Bounty | Pretty sure that is all the time |
| 09:04.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:05.12 | Bounty | Except for me of course, I plan to be reborn |
| 09:05.20 | IskatuMesk | like a butterfly? |
| 09:05.37 | Bounty | Nah |
| 09:05.48 | Bounty | Preferably one of those deep underground rats |
| 09:06.08 | Bounty | No hair, no need to shave and not predators |
| 09:06.15 | Bounty | no* |
| 09:06.52 | Bounty | well, maybe another underground rat could eat me |
| 09:07.00 | IskatuMesk | space lizards |
| 09:07.04 | Bounty | but lets be realistic here, that would never happen |
| 09:07.32 | Bounty | That sounds like a good life IskatuMesk |
| 09:07.43 | Bounty | Have sex in a spaceship than die |
| 09:07.56 | Bounty | I think you get to meet Putin before you die though |
| 09:08.23 | IskatuMesk | I literally have no documentation for xul`amon |
| 09:08.25 | IskatuMesk | that is some serious bullshit |
| 09:09.02 | Bounty | You should contact Alex Jones |
| 09:09.09 | Bounty | he has lots of documents |
| 09:09.48 | Bounty | *looks around* |
| 09:09.58 | Bounty | Alright, we're clear. |
| 09:10.18 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 09:10.57 | IskatuMesk | alright, time to just guess what the fuck I did here |
| 09:10.59 | Bounty | Roger that Alpha Booty Centaur. |
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| 09:27.59 | mille25 | hey |
| 09:28.56 | TwoDie | hello U |
| 09:32.20 | Bounty | Any relation to mille24? |
| 09:33.28 | Bounty | and yep, I think the Melatonin is starting to go into effect |
| 09:35.01 | Bounty | Pretty sure this is not naturally produced by the brain like they say. I think this is the closest I have come to feeling like I just shot up heroin. |
| 09:35.23 | Bounty | In the sense of "dipping out" |
| 09:36.14 | Bounty | I predict some badass dreams tonight my friends. |
| 09:36.44 | Bounty | Starting now, night all |
| 09:36.51 | TwoDie | bb |
| 09:40.31 | Goa | where is Zolden!?:D |
| 09:40.41 | Goa | my unity game is awesome on phone |
| 09:43.14 | IskatuMesk | riding a bear down the countryside drinking bottle after bottle of vodka no doubt |
| 09:43.55 | Goa | :) |
| 09:44.13 | TwoDie | playing balalaika |
| 09:48.35 | mille25 | IskatuMesk: ^this. |
| 10:03.12 | IskatuMesk | www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/BlackSun/xulamontest.wav |
| 10:03.15 | IskatuMesk | big bong bang |
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| 11:47.03 | Rommper | hey |
| 12:16.17 | TwoDie | YOU STILL HERE!!! |
| 12:16.34 | TwoDie | didnt you know that sc2 is daed gaem? |
| 12:16.49 | TwoDie | everyone is already left this daed project |
| 12:25.08 | Rommper | and traveled to unity land where Zolden can talk about unity while we are unite under the unity? :) |
| 12:26.09 | Rommper | did you transfered your home into unity assets already? its much better than real world! |
| 12:27.04 | Goa | better to learn Unity today than tomorrow:D |
| 12:30.45 | TwoDie | whats wrong with learning unite tomorrow? goa |
| 12:31.13 | Rommper | i wanna learn it yesterday :c |
| 12:32.55 | Goa | TwoDie its only wrong for lazies:D |
| 12:44.48 | TwoDie | well someone gone to focus on learning unity |
| 12:48.08 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVqxhErxezQ |
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| 12:51.17 | Rommper | back |
| 12:54.19 | TwoDie | learnt unity already? |
| 12:54.40 | IskatuMesk | power reader |
| 12:55.31 | Tomura | UE4 is where it's at! I can't get enough of those reflections. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70741181/UEStuff/ui-ripoff02.jpg |
| 12:55.32 | Goa | :D |
| 12:56.01 | IskatuMesk | <3 ue |
| 12:56.12 | IskatuMesk | one day I will do utterly nothing with it. |
| 12:56.30 | TwoDie | :< sorry, my gpu cant handle your GRAPHICS!! |
| 12:56.43 | IskatuMesk | graphics for wein |
| 12:57.11 | IskatuMesk | if I could figure out how to generate PBL textures like I do normals, I could put all of my existing assets in unreal 4 |
| 12:57.22 | IskatuMesk | though maybe it is not necessary |
| 12:57.47 | Tomura | hmm I'll probably completely move to DDO to create a good base for that |
| 12:58.02 | IskatuMesk | that thing is way too complex for me |
| 12:58.06 | IskatuMesk | I just use mindtex currently |
| 12:58.13 | IskatuMesk | but I can't actually make anything good, I just port |
| 12:58.27 | TwoDie | idk how to achieve anything good with ddo :/ |
| 12:58.52 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/4tmjVxZ.png |
| 12:58.54 | IskatuMesk | that's all I can do |
| 12:59.03 | IskatuMesk | some hyper generic tiling texture using some default stuff. :3 |
| 12:59.15 | TwoDie | yep, works great!! |
| 12:59.32 | IskatuMesk | the idea was just to use a lot of multimaterials and lighting to hide obvious tiling |
| 13:07.45 | Rommper | unity brothers unity! |
| 13:08.21 | TwoDie | unity we stand |
| 13:11.42 | Rommper | shall ask blizzard to change arcade into unity store |
| 13:16.08 | TwoDie | its like asking putin to stop the aggression and for whole russia to turn into peace loving country with having loving each other people without vodka |
| 13:19.04 | Rommper | its more like asking android to sell iphone apps in his store |
| 13:23.27 | IskatuMesk | it's more like consuming the entire sun with your anus |
| 13:26.07 | IskatuMesk | I can't believe... 5 times out of 6 I said "creation" instead of "connection" and the ONE TIME I got the word right it was a really bad take overall |
| 13:26.12 | IskatuMesk | I am going to go crazy |
| 13:28.35 | IskatuMesk | oh wait! I have a hidden non-fucked up one! |
| 13:28.42 | IskatuMesk | praise be to the space buzzard |
| 13:29.06 | IskatuMesk | now to find the *perfect* piece of music and still go crazy |
| 13:29.50 | TwoDie | crazy muzik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yn9Uu55v14 |
| 13:31.10 | IskatuMesk | actually might be useful for the campaign if it gets off the ground |
| 13:34.13 | IskatuMesk | too bad attack on titan became a thing and everyone knows the music now |
| 13:38.41 | Rommper | even System Shock 2 known Zolden's wisdom!! |
| 13:38.46 | Rommper | The many: What is a drop of rain, compared to the storm? What is a thought, compared to the mind? Our unity is full of wonder which your tiny individualism cannot even conceive. |
| 13:50.59 | IskatuMesk | what is butter, but butter, the lifeblood of the patriot |
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| 14:03.16 | Zolden | TwoDie why u became modelling whore? |
| 14:04.04 | Zolden | why u selling ur talent and freedom to strangers? |
| 14:04.47 | Goa | hahaha |
| 14:04.54 | TwoDie | i do shit anyways.. so now added new activity need to make million maps for game called Stronghold Crusader 2 before it becomes popular and flood map sites and workshop with all my creations with generic themes |
| 14:05.43 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 14:05.48 | Rommper | strangers.... |
| 14:05.58 | TwoDie | noone really seem to help this guy with models anyways so at least he will get some shit done in his map |
| 14:06.01 | Zolden | pathetic! |
| 14:06.08 | TwoDie | in that daed gaem |
| 14:06.49 | Zolden | spews on pity twod |
| 14:07.22 | Dustin|Home | Zolden, speaking of model whoring, can I bug ya to remove the shadow from the terratron blade for meh? :D |
| 14:07.26 | Goa | necrophile! |
| 14:08.05 | Zolden | but who will help u with your unity dream rts, dear twod? |
| 14:08.22 | Goa | Zolden bought apple phone developer shit so I tested my games on Iphone 4 and my 2d game lags a bit:( |
| 14:08.40 | Zolden | Dustin omg, i forgot to do this in my recent visit in city, sry |
| 14:09.53 | Zolden | Goa apple phone developer shit? having mac isnt enough to build for ios? |
| 14:10.01 | Goa | nope |
| 14:10.11 | Goa | you need to toilet 90 buck |
| 14:10.26 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 14:10.30 | TwoDie | i will help myself zolden |
| 14:10.33 | Goa | probably I should have bought a anroid by that money |
| 14:10.54 | Zolden | Dustin lucky u said its not urgent so guess it can wait till next possibility |
| 14:11.25 | TwoDie | next winter |
| 14:11.40 | Zolden | Goa is it the equivalent of android sdk? |
| 14:11.52 | Goa | ? |
| 14:12.18 | Zolden | what u payed 90 bucks for? |
| 14:12.25 | Goa | developer account |
| 14:12.45 | Zolden | oh, ok |
| 14:12.48 | Goa | allows you to build game onto the phone with xcode and publish it |
| 14:13.02 | Zolden | i see |
| 14:13.07 | Zolden | well |
| 14:13.11 | Goa | otherwise you couldnt put it on Iphone only with lots of haxing |
| 14:13.20 | Zolden | read unity docs about performance |
| 14:13.31 | Goa | I already watched a video |
| 14:13.54 | TwoDie | :D |
| 14:13.59 | TwoDie | video... |
| 14:14.01 | Zolden | pirate unity pro, use profiler to see what lags |
| 14:14.46 | Goa | multiple things lags |
| 14:15.05 | Goa | most likely non backed lights |
| 14:15.31 | Goa | backing it for my current textures looks terrible, I will need to fix that |
| 14:15.36 | Goa | bake* |
| 14:15.52 | Zolden | yes, lights are slow, ppl usualy use only one light per svene for mobiles |
| 14:16.49 | Goa | I use the lights only for design, I dont need them to be updated, but bake messes up the textures |
| 14:17.42 | Zolden | never baked lights, so no advice here |
| 14:26.28 | Goa | my flappy game just works awesomely |
| 14:26.58 | Zolden | screenshot maybe? |
| 14:29.12 | Zolden | Goa what about propaganda/marketig shit? |
| 14:29.32 | TwoDie | will all those click baits and missleading texts? |
| 14:29.37 | TwoDie | with |
| 14:30.03 | Goa | I will market it as free viagra |
| 14:30.36 | TwoDie | i wont share with you my email adress :/ |
| 14:30.37 | Zolden | there should be a way to force thousands people to dl |
| 14:36.40 | Rommper | ask Putin, he may know a solution about forcing people to do sg :) |
| 14:37.45 | Zolden | putin would block all other games, simple |
| 14:38.05 | TwoDie | ask people that doesnt agrees with Putins views on the world to do sudoku - a honorable anime move |
| 14:39.05 | Rommper | Zolden ho is the jabloko party going anyway? xD |
| 14:39.19 | Rommper | and why is that russian party's name is apple? |
| 14:39.46 | Zolden | those noobs from 90s are putin's sluts |
| 14:40.48 | Rommper | when i read about the 140% and seen the diagram with "jabloko" i burst into histerical laugh, i mean wtf what is their program? Free the apples? Equality of red and green apples? |
| 14:40.54 | Zolden | because it was a combination of first latters of second names of its former leaders |
| 14:41.22 | Rommper | aah |
| 14:41.49 | Zolden | putin either destroyed or enslutted all parties |
| 14:43.01 | Goa | is jabloko a party like LDPR?:D |
| 14:43.24 | Zolden | yes |
| 14:43.40 | Rommper | well our country will taste the same... the current leading party has 2/3 since 2010 and they undermine every democratic things |
| 14:44.04 | Zolden | they are cheap pseudodemocratic populists from 90s |
| 14:44.06 | Rommper | and our "glorious" leader talk about Putin and Russia as a role model |
| 14:44.25 | Goa | I feel like Putin is robbing this channel from all the Hitler metaphors .( |
| 14:44.55 | Rommper | Poor Hitler :( |
| 14:45.07 | Zolden | lol, u dont have that much oil and gas to do what putin does |
| 14:45.17 | TwoDie | rip in peace hitler QQ |
| 14:45.17 | Rommper | yeah |
| 14:45.52 | TwoDie | OQ |
| 14:46.26 | Zolden | ( .Y .) |
| 14:46.38 | Goa | Orban is glorious even without natural resources, you shouldnt question his glory! |
| 14:46.43 | Torhal | http://kotaku.com/mod-turns-starcraft-ii-into-a-cute-cartoon-1638989461 |
| 14:46.46 | TwoDie | (, Y, ) |
| 14:47.50 | Rommper | Orban stronk! he will export glorious hungarian FIDESZ orange to europe? |
| 14:47.57 | Rommper | -?* |
| 14:48.29 | TwoDie | zolden so how does your diet going? |
| 14:48.45 | Rommper | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4ADpDiYzc |
| 14:49.15 | Zolden | what diet? |
| 14:50.32 | TwoDie | well i heard your people are going ape shit with empty markets of food |
| 14:50.46 | TwoDie | meat and dairy products.. |
| 14:55.59 | Goa | Rommper thats always a good description of things:D |
| 14:56.12 | Zolden | i didnt feel any changes |
| 14:56.17 | Rommper | :D |
| 14:56.34 | Rommper | egyike a legjobb filmjeinknek |
| 14:57.07 | Zolden | but food prices raised by about 10 percent |
| 14:58.20 | TwoDie | no changes <.< |
| 15:09.06 | Goa | Zolden Putin wants you to leave Russia, so more natural resources are left for him:D |
| 15:15.33 | Zolden | best natural resource is humans, he doesnt get it |
| 15:18.23 | Goa | bahh as soon I finish my flappy thing I come up with new ideas to add |
| 15:18.44 | Goa | humans are replaceable, he is building his secret clone army.D |
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| 15:21.07 | Zolden | ideas to add is a good thing as soon as your could can easily be modified to accept them |
| 15:21.28 | Zolden | *code |
| 15:21.40 | Zolden | fucking autocomplete |
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| 17:17.29 | TwoDie | so what you gays doing? |
| 17:25.51 | TwoDie | unfriendlies gay community that im a part of.. |
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| 17:39.48 | Rommper | you guys have a passion for "happy" things |
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| 18:57.26 | TwoDie | damn boy.. nice parking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wov_YcCESfY |
| 19:00.44 | greybeard | ahoy mateys |
| 19:01.28 | Rommper | ahoy |
| 19:12.43 | Goa | TwoDie I always knew that noobs play Halo, real man plays Quake: http://youtu.be/MP9IZju7L_U |
| 19:16.10 | TwoDie | pff too mainstream |
| 19:16.12 | TwoDie | go away |
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| 19:20.17 | greybeard | ArcanePariah, do you know of any behaviors that use the height/height time start/end properties? |
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| 19:20.43 | greybeard | and whether or not height behaviors stack? |
| 19:28.52 | ArcanePariah | greybeard, many knockback effects use such behaviors to lift the units off the ground, so the apply force effects do true knockback |
| 19:29.11 | ArcanePariah | Kraith from the Swarm campaign has such a thing. |
| 19:29.37 | ArcanePariah | As for them stacking, I would assume they would. Would need to test, one moment. |
| 19:30.35 | greybeard | nah, force effects are gross |
| 19:32.28 | ArcanePariah | Stacking has no effect. |
| 19:32.35 | greybeard | so in my situation, I have a function that pulls targets towards the caster (using a launch missile effect) and a function that knocks up targets (currently using a launch missile effect). But they need to combine and so if I can use a behavior for the height component of the knock up, life would be nice |
| 19:33.43 | ArcanePariah | Combined = pull towards caster while be knocked up? |
| 19:33.59 | greybeard | aye |
| 19:34.10 | ArcanePariah | Make new mover |
| 19:34.19 | ArcanePariah | Use custom mover for the launch missile effect |
| 19:34.44 | ArcanePariah | Launch Missile effects can take custom movers, that are applied to the ammo unit, regardless of what it is. |
| 19:35.05 | greybeard | right, I was using custom movers for both effects |
| 19:35.35 | greybeard | but the impact offset for one overwrites the other |
| 19:37.24 | ArcanePariah | Well, I would make a new mover, multiphased, first phase does the normal pulling, and 2nd phase does knock up. |
| 19:39.13 | ArcanePariah | For the combined version, it really sounds like doing the pulling with a different mover. |
| 19:39.31 | ArcanePariah | And for impact offset... are you trying to chain the 2 effects or make a new one? |
| 19:39.33 | greybeard | and thus began the foray into combined upgrade edge cases |
| 19:40.34 | ArcanePariah | Although for the pull, not sure what you need impact offset for |
| 19:43.24 | ArcanePariah | Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but for a standard pull, assuming we are doing some kind of hook like deal, you do a create persistent with periodic offsets, with a periodic period to make it "travel". Periodic effect is a search area, max count 1, closest. That unit found is then launched back to caster. IIRC, you would set the success flag on the persistent, which kill it once a periodic effect succeeds and doesn't error |
| 19:43.24 | ArcanePariah | out. |
| 19:44.00 | ArcanePariah | At least, I think that's what that flag does, based on studying it in relation to how Blizzard did the Viper pull |
| 19:44.56 | greybeard | I did the cheap method of launching the target to in front of the caster |
| 19:45.42 | ArcanePariah | Ok, that works fine |
| 19:46.30 | ArcanePariah | So... the pull needs an offset to place it in front of caster. Knockup needs offset to send the unit into the sky. |
| 19:47.18 | ArcanePariah | So yeah, you will want to apply the lift behavior with a sufficiently long time to lift so it looks like pull+lift and once the unit reaches its destination, remove the behavior to cause it to fall back down. |
| 19:47.40 | ArcanePariah | Which is the lift begin and end fields, they dictate how long the lift is blended in over. |
| 19:59.48 | ArcanePariah | Finally figured it out... the persistent effect Success and Failure flags control if the persistent continues based on the success or failure of the periodic effect, if success is checked, the persistent will run until the efffect successfully runs, failure beingt he opposite. Quite useful in conjunction with Persist until destroyed. |
| 20:00.13 | ArcanePariah | Or at least I thought I figured it out, froze up on me lol |
| 20:18.55 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so interesting discovery. The Success and Failure flags basically set the persistent to use the failure and success of the periodic effect. What this means is that if the periodic effect has a validator of its own and that fails, the persistent is destroyed (assuming the failure flag is set). Contrariwise for success flag, it will run the persistent as long as it DOESN'T succeed, and once it does, the persistent is |
| 20:18.56 | ArcanePariah | destroyed. |
| 20:20.22 | ArcanePariah | Where this can get interesting is to have a periodic effect, and set the Persist Until Destroyed flag, which allows an effect to basically be dormant/forever waiting. |
| 20:27.19 | greybeard | spider mines w/o search behaviors? |
| 20:29.07 | ArcanePariah | You could, but in the spider mines case, the search behavior is necessary due to them moving to the target and detonating, plus they are units. |
| 20:30.12 | ArcanePariah | This would be useful for creating environmental effects, things not tied to a unit |
| 20:31.19 | ArcanePariah | Could create an aura for an area that slows the first unit that steps into it. |
| 20:31.25 | ArcanePariah | Or other such things. |
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| 20:32.23 | ArcanePariah | Or here is an idea, a persistent on a unit that applies a buff if the unit does something. The behavior is something you would want on the unit unconditionally, but only get applied after certain conditions are met |
| 20:33.10 | greybeard | Oh, that would have been useful in Rogue Star |
| 20:33.12 | Zolden | also explodes the uni |
| 20:33.32 | ArcanePariah | So the persistent would be continually applying the buff, and the apply behavior effect validator would be checking the conditions. So once the conditions are met, the buff is applied, and the persistent disappears |
| 20:34.08 | ArcanePariah | AS for failure, could have a persistent instead of a behavior running an effect until the validator fails. |
| 20:34.16 | Zolden | why oersistent? buff would do it |
| 20:34.54 | ArcanePariah | Because the persistent could apply the buff unconditionnally. Say you want a buff to be applied after conditions are met, but after that, buff shall remain, even if conditions are not met. |
| 20:35.34 | ArcanePariah | This wouldn't work with buff only, since placing a validator in the buff would turn it off or remove after conditions fail later. |
| 20:35.42 | Zolden | behavior could do it still |
| 20:36.15 | Zolden | buff can apply on condition met, another buff |
| 20:36.15 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, at the added cost of a buff + another applied behavior effect, plus an additonal validator |
| 20:37.23 | ArcanePariah | Also, this is just for behaviors. The persistent can do other effects, and more importantly, a persistent can be at any point, behaviors are tied to units. |
| 20:37.42 | ArcanePariah | I could create envirionemntal effects, like a trap that triggers for first unit to pass near by |
| 20:38.02 | ArcanePariah | Or an effect that slows units as long as (whatever conditions here). |
| 20:38.35 | Zolden | yea, if it can be applied not only on unit, then persistent |
| 20:39.09 | ArcanePariah | As for the original context, discussing the Success and Failure flags of Persistents, finally figured out what they do |
| 20:39.46 | Zolden | and what the do? |
| 20:40.00 | ArcanePariah | Allows the persistent to only persist until the periodic effect succceeds and runs, or until the periodic effect fails to run. |
| 20:40.28 | ArcanePariah | So, using a validator on the periodic effect, you can setup a persistent that is running an effect, that will only run once. Or have one that will run until it fails. |
| 20:41.03 | ArcanePariah | Combined with Persist Until Destroyed flag, you can setup persistents on the map that last until, well, when they are needed. |
| 20:41.42 | Zolden | i see. used to use conditional destroy persistent |
| 20:42.16 | ArcanePariah | Which is still useful, since that can be more selective/granular about destroying persistents |
| 20:42.36 | ArcanePariah | But with success/failure, you can use the periodic effects validators to control the duration of the persistent itself. |
| 20:43.00 | ArcanePariah | And this is outside the periodic validator. Really just gives more options/control. |
| 20:43.16 | Zolden | yea |
| 20:43.31 | ArcanePariah | Like, could have a persistent that only runs once conditions X are met, but with periodic validator, under conditions Y, destroy yourself. |
| 20:44.19 | Zolden | less reasons to use triggers |
| 20:44.50 | ArcanePariah | Still haven't figured out the last flag |
| 20:44.56 | ArcanePariah | Orphan Parameters |
| 20:46.28 | Zolden | something about loosing caster or target deaf maybe |
| 20:47.08 | ArcanePariah | One possible application of success/failure flags is for games of chance and RNG stuff, because you could combine it with random effect to make the persistent do random effects, and keep going only if successful or if failing. |
| 20:47.51 | Zolden | yea |
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| 22:11.00 | greybeard | why does my unit turn and face it's origin when being moved by a missile launch effect if the impact offset is more than -5 |
| 22:13.55 | greybeard | *is -5.999 or less |
| 22:17.38 | greybeard | answer: missile mover speed was too fast |
| 22:21.30 | Dustin|Work | Woot my webserver isnt effected by Shellshock |
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| 23:39.11 | Deathbringer | Hello |
| 23:40.21 | Deathbringer | Wanted to know when you create a Arcade Map for HoS with Campaign units, how can you not allow the buildings to be affected because currently the barracks has an option to build campaign war pigs. |
| 23:44.24 | Dustin|Work | Disable the upgrades for that unit, or use the melee Barraks |
| 23:59.17 | Dustin|Work | Coool story bro |
