| 00:13.46 | Zolden | dudes, check my new unity game's vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsdgXEdGFII |
| 00:18.05 | Nytemare | Alright, I'm back. Sorry for the wait. Read your feedback. The zergling actor is known (I'm using the zergling as a placeholder for the test, it's not being used ingame). |
| 00:18.22 | Nytemare | I just haven't bothered to fix the double actor |
| 00:19.24 | Nytemare | As for making the trees neutral...I was confused as to why they were attacking them, since they are neutral units in the first place. |
| 00:20.45 | Nytemare | As for the kill resources, There are other actions dependent on the unit dying. Maybe I should create a trigger that goes off when an effect does, and attach that effect to the death in data. |
| 00:20.55 | Nytemare | That way it doesn't constantly track deaths. |
| 00:21.24 | Nytemare | Of course, kills are supposed to be tracked...that's how the player accumulates XP between games. |
| 00:21.27 | Nytemare | The banks |
| 00:22.17 | IskatuMesk | yeah, I set the waves to attack enemies of player 11. A good chunk of trees were brutally culled |
| 00:22.24 | IskatuMesk | maybe some belong to the wrong player |
| 00:22.41 | Nytemare | As far as I know, the trees are all neutral. |
| 00:23.51 | IskatuMesk | well, that seems like a source of research then |
| 00:24.01 | IskatuMesk | because removing the tree from the cliff definitely fixed a huge chunk of pathing problems |
| 00:24.08 | IskatuMesk | and others were getting selectively probed by zerglings |
| 00:25.55 | IskatuMesk | I see the one distinct tree I remember is still player 0 |
| 00:26.04 | IskatuMesk | so there must be some reason why the lings are racist against it |
| 00:26.39 | IskatuMesk | that is definitely the reason why lings get stuck on some cliffs |
| 00:26.49 | IskatuMesk | there are trees on those cliffs they can't reach they want to punch in the face |
| 00:30.54 | Nytemare | Lesson of the day: A Florist is a person who works with flowers. A Flora-ist is a zergling that punches trees. |
| 00:31.53 | IskatuMesk | :D |
| 00:32.08 | Nytemare | Time to hunt down any non-(player 0) trees. |
| 00:32.25 | IskatuMesk | I don't know if there's even a way to determine that |
| 00:32.33 | IskatuMesk | I tried to figure it out but the editor just made me mad again like it normally does |
| 00:32.47 | Nytemare | select all trees, see if the editor says multiple players |
| 00:32.54 | Nytemare | or just lists player 0 |
| 00:33.09 | IskatuMesk | an alternate is if you have any trigger expicitly telling player 11 to treat all other players as enemies |
| 00:33.17 | IskatuMesk | then it may treat player 0 as an enemy |
| 00:33.28 | IskatuMesk | or if you have anything giving the zerglings explicit random targets |
| 00:33.45 | Nytemare | My attack waves are positional targets |
| 00:33.53 | IskatuMesk | I set it to enemies of player 11 |
| 00:34.07 | IskatuMesk | but that may be the wrong trigger or something |
| 00:34.14 | IskatuMesk | though it did cause them to bunch on that cliff exclusively |
| 00:34.20 | Nytemare | The function called attack wave |
| 00:34.26 | IskatuMesk | so that seems to indicate they treated that cliff tree as an enemy |
| 00:34.33 | IskatuMesk | thus why deleting it fixed their pathing |
| 00:34.40 | Nytemare | I don't know which cliff tree you are speaking of btw. |
| 00:35.03 | Nytemare | This map has a lot of trees. (understatement of the year right here) |
| 00:35.16 | IskatuMesk | alright so |
| 00:35.18 | IskatuMesk | when you spawn |
| 00:35.23 | IskatuMesk | I immediately build right there |
| 00:35.35 | IskatuMesk | the zerglings pop, map drops to 9fps, they charge for the cliff next to that base |
| 00:35.36 | IskatuMesk | and flail around |
| 00:35.42 | IskatuMesk | there's a tree there, on the cliff |
| 00:35.42 | Nytemare | -_- |
| 00:36.00 | IskatuMesk | deleting that tree fixes that area and then causes the lings to kind of go everywhere |
| 00:36.10 | IskatuMesk | either to Black, to me, or to other trees (some of which cause them to get stuck again) |
| 00:36.32 | Nytemare | Ok, so I definitely need to narrow the targeting. |
| 00:36.54 | Nytemare | How did you like the map btw? |
| 00:37.05 | IskatuMesk | this was with the wave set to player enemies of 11. With your default triggers, some lings trickle into my base, probably a byproduct of the offset |
| 00:37.06 | Nytemare | especially the randomly generated forest at the top right |
| 00:37.11 | IskatuMesk | looks like it could be interesting |
| 00:37.20 | IskatuMesk | reminds me of a wc3 map I played way back |
| 00:37.23 | IskatuMesk | that had... dinosaurs? |
| 00:37.27 | Nytemare | Custom Castle Defense? |
| 00:37.29 | Nytemare | :-P |
| 00:37.31 | IskatuMesk | not sure |
| 00:37.41 | Nytemare | Custom Castle Defense by Netforce2k4 |
| 00:37.54 | Nytemare | He made the original of this. I got permission to make the sequel. |
| 00:38.01 | Nytemare | He's also my C++ tutor :-P |
| 00:38.11 | IskatuMesk | been an extreme number of years since I last played wc3 |
| 00:38.54 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/SZywCPq.jpg |
| 00:39.18 | IskatuMesk | I would start with removing all trees on cliffs, then checking the player alliance triggers if you have any, then the targeting for the units |
| 00:39.31 | Nytemare | Err, that seems backwards. |
| 00:39.33 | IskatuMesk | the archers could also get their move animspeed adjusted. :3 |
| 00:39.40 | IskatuMesk | I moved the camera, yes |
| 00:39.44 | Nytemare | No |
| 00:39.47 | Nytemare | I mean the fixes |
| 00:39.50 | IskatuMesk | well |
| 00:39.57 | IskatuMesk | I suspect miners may also encounter issues with those trees |
| 00:40.04 | Nytemare | intended. |
| 00:40.08 | Nytemare | :-D |
| 00:40.08 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 00:40.16 | Nytemare | Ranged units are needed to fully clear an area. |
| 00:40.20 | IskatuMesk | I see |
| 00:40.28 | Nytemare | Some trees are awkward irl :-P |
| 00:40.38 | IskatuMesk | in that case, if the lings had a single hydra, I suspect they'd kill that tree |
| 00:40.40 | IskatuMesk | then spread out |
| 00:40.43 | IskatuMesk | or go to you |
| 00:40.56 | IskatuMesk | (of course, if that hydra dies, shit hits the fan) |
| 00:40.58 | Nytemare | yeah...gotta fix the targeting then. They aren't supposed to care about trees. |
| 00:41.11 | Nytemare | In fact, trees make the best walls. |
| 00:41.23 | IskatuMesk | it reminds me somewhat of an alternate campaign concept I wanted to employ in the past |
| 00:41.34 | IskatuMesk | a much slower B&D gametype with trees and such |
| 00:41.49 | IskatuMesk | so how this turns out may influence if I ever attempt it, presuming we are able to fix the performance problems I am having |
| 00:42.32 | Nytemare | I've already jumped through quite a few hoops do get this playable. |
| 00:42.35 | Nytemare | What's a few more dozen |
| 00:42.45 | IskatuMesk | I doubt the lag in your map is from the zerglings |
| 00:42.52 | IskatuMesk | maybe triggers related to them, but not how they move |
| 00:42.54 | Nytemare | The forestgen used to completely cripple the map for the first minute. |
| 00:43.13 | Nytemare | I just ended up throttling it since nobody goes there at the very start. |
| 00:43.17 | IskatuMesk | there is so few zerglings, and the lag is entirely consistent even when they are idle and burrowed |
| 00:43.36 | IskatuMesk | gotta be something else that happens at nightfall and keeps persistent |
| 00:44.07 | Nytemare | Nothing specific is happening at night OTHER than the spawns though. |
| 00:44.09 | IskatuMesk | I don't understand most of the triggers though |
| 00:44.16 | IskatuMesk | so it's hard for me to say |
| 00:44.39 | Nytemare | The entire night trigger is just flipping the lighting to agria night and a single toggle for the spawner |
| 00:44.53 | Nytemare | (No, it's not the lighting. I checked that) |
| 00:45.04 | IskatuMesk | yeah, the lag persists even when it switches back to day |
| 00:45.09 | IskatuMesk | I get 9fps |
| 00:45.12 | IskatuMesk | it's like my 0x01 map |
| 00:46.06 | IskatuMesk | I am not actually sure what your sunset trigger does with this huge string of if actions |
| 00:46.10 | IskatuMesk | but if that runs indefinitely, maybe that's why |
| 00:46.21 | Nytemare | ? |
| 00:46.46 | IskatuMesk | there's a switch with 30 conditions |
| 00:46.51 | IskatuMesk | if that is run perpetually, it may lag |
| 00:47.06 | Nytemare | The 10 second timer? |
| 00:47.30 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 00:47.35 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 00:47.41 | IskatuMesk | well at 10 seconds it would be more stuttery |
| 00:47.55 | Nytemare | I should make that toggled anyway though, like night/day |
| 00:49.30 | IskatuMesk | and the periodic primary spawn also has a billion if actions in it that are empty... but that wouldn't be it because they don't spawn more than a few times, and it just keeps lagging well after they spawned |
| 00:49.37 | IskatuMesk | very queer |
| 00:49.56 | Nytemare | That's for boss waves and messages per wave |
| 00:50.05 | Nytemare | That one only goes off once per night |
| 00:50.35 | IskatuMesk | the lag may be related to the trees being treated as hostile... so fixing that first should be the first step |
| 00:51.57 | IskatuMesk | a way to perhaps cheese it is just to explicity set player 0 to neutral/ally of player 11 |
| 00:52.12 | Nytemare | that wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| 00:52.17 | IskatuMesk | brb |
| 00:54.46 | Nytemare | (Wandering Monsters now only checks one value to determine if it should run.) |
| 01:01.00 | Nytemare | Testing with Alliance to trees shows that they are still just trickling and stacking in odd spots. |
| 01:01.08 | Nytemare | I have a pile of them standing on the bridge. |
| 01:01.09 | Nytemare | -_- |
| 01:01.53 | Nytemare | They are definitely not hanging on trees in this case. |
| 01:01.58 | Nytemare | They didn't even get to the trees. |
| 01:02.03 | Nytemare | brb bio |
| 01:10.44 | IskatuMesk | even as an ally they still are targeting trees |
| 01:13.46 | Nytemare | now that's weird. |
| 01:13.54 | Nytemare | What possesses an AI to attack allies? |
| 01:14.41 | IskatuMesk | curious. Setting the AI to campaign instead of melee fixes all lag. |
| 01:14.46 | Nytemare | o.o |
| 01:14.57 | Nytemare | I wasn't even using AI before the attack waves were added. |
| 01:15.04 | IskatuMesk | however, the lings cannot navigate for shit now |
| 01:15.07 | Nytemare | before I was just using orders. |
| 01:15.28 | IskatuMesk | haha, lings are sinking into the lava |
| 01:15.36 | IskatuMesk | sc2 and bridges are so silly |
| 01:15.52 | IskatuMesk | I have a theory about the lag |
| 01:16.00 | IskatuMesk | I think the melee AI adds trees to attack waves |
| 01:16.13 | IskatuMesk | they are not excluded from attack waves because they are not structures |
| 01:16.21 | IskatuMesk | it still eventually slows down |
| 01:16.23 | IskatuMesk | but it's not nearly as fast |
| 01:16.34 | IskatuMesk | the lings just... do nothing... |
| 01:17.15 | IskatuMesk | this is so weird haha |
| 01:17.37 | Nytemare | Y U DO DIS LING. |
| 01:17.55 | IskatuMesk | however, they seem to ignore trees now |
| 01:17.58 | Nytemare | Err...structures are units. |
| 01:18.06 | IskatuMesk | my next theory is that the melee waves are auto-adding lings and taking control of the attacks |
| 01:18.22 | IskatuMesk | and thus, the destroy obstruction function may be causing them to target neutrals |
| 01:18.44 | IskatuMesk | the lings are finally trickling into my base |
| 01:18.52 | Nytemare | See, that's a good reason for them blowing up trees. |
| 01:18.57 | Nytemare | I have no problem with that. |
| 01:19.05 | IskatuMesk | well the problem is they are targeting trees on cliffs |
| 01:19.12 | IskatuMesk | that they can't reach |
| 01:19.13 | Nytemare | yeah... |
| 01:19.21 | Nytemare | And those trees aren't blocking shit. |
| 01:19.56 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@ip-109-40-166-202.web.vodafone.de) |
| 01:20.43 | IskatuMesk | this is a little informative for me, as it gives hints into why my campaign maps perform so badly |
| 01:21.01 | IskatuMesk | I lack the trees, but for some reason the melee AI still causes that kind of a performance loss |
| 01:21.06 | IskatuMesk | it tells me it doesn't matter what the AI actually owns |
| 01:21.33 | IskatuMesk | oo... some nice logic errors |
| 01:22.16 | IskatuMesk | can't just selectively start a melee AI, can you blizzard? so silly. |
| 01:24.22 | IskatuMesk | this lyote is really burning rubber |
| 01:24.59 | Nytemare | I love those ghost lyotes. |
| 01:25.11 | Nytemare | They are scary as balls when you are trying to scout a new base. |
| 01:26.22 | IskatuMesk | alright.. so... I've got a few ideas... |
| 01:26.33 | IskatuMesk | the campaign AI is horrible at actually waypointing to your base, but ignores all trees |
| 01:26.47 | IskatuMesk | I think there's an AI advanced function that may let me just disable getting rid of obstructions |
| 01:27.04 | IskatuMesk | gonna give that a try with the melee AI, but it will lag because I think it's just running melee AI for the neutral player and being retarded |
| 01:27.20 | IskatuMesk | if that is the case, you can probably modify the galaxy to exclude the trees |
| 01:30.28 | Nytemare | Checking if I can set Melee selectively per AI |
| 01:32.19 | IskatuMesk | here I was hoping I could just disable obstruction killing via AI options... never an easy way out |
| 01:32.33 | Nytemare | found it. |
| 01:32.39 | Nytemare | I can set melee for only one ai |
| 01:33.32 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 01:33.35 | IskatuMesk | that may help with some AI |
| 01:34.04 | IskatuMesk | there is a galaxy command to disable obstruction killing I think, just need to figure it out |
| 01:34.39 | Nytemare | Hmmm...getting script logic spam |
| 01:35.26 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 01:35.30 | IskatuMesk | same thing I got |
| 01:35.41 | IskatuMesk | the melee AI needs a build or some shit defined for it and I have no idea how to do it manually |
| 01:36.08 | IskatuMesk | these hiccups are really trampling my fanny |
| 01:41.34 | IskatuMesk | well, I shouldn't be surprised that issuing the galaxy command to turn off clearing obstructions doesn't stop them from clearing obstructions |
| 01:43.32 | IskatuMesk | kind of odd they navigate your map way faster than the AI does mine |
| 01:44.25 | Nytemare | To be fair, I made a lot of concessions for pathfinding. |
| 01:44.35 | IskatuMesk | my maps are way simpler |
| 01:44.44 | Nytemare | Dunno then. |
| 01:44.46 | IskatuMesk | they have this obsession with just standing around |
| 01:44.52 | Nytemare | yeah...so do mine. |
| 01:45.05 | Nytemare | I was using an idle trigger to reissue the order |
| 01:45.05 | IskatuMesk | well, yours are because they are trying to get to targets they can't reacxh |
| 01:45.13 | IskatuMesk | mine are just because my AI is retarded |
| 01:46.06 | IskatuMesk | if you REALLY wanted a cheap way out, giving them an invisible melee attack with longer range to hit the trees on cliffs may suffice... but also not make much sense |
| 01:46.27 | IskatuMesk | also doesn't solve the melee AI lag but yeah. |
| 01:46.45 | Nytemare | They still shouldn't be attacking the damn trees. |
| 01:47.01 | IskatuMesk | gardener ling loves his job |
| 01:47.21 | Nytemare | *bothers ArcanePariah* Do you know how to stop the AI from trying to clear neutral obstructions? |
| 01:47.31 | IskatuMesk | if you have a spare player, assigning the trees to that player may fix it... |
| 01:47.45 | Nytemare | I do indeed. |
| 01:47.48 | IskatuMesk | but not 100% sure |
| 01:48.07 | Nytemare | better than 0% sure it'll work as is. |
| 01:48.11 | IskatuMesk | that is based on the guess that any killable units assigned to player 0 may constitute as obstructions |
| 01:49.01 | IskatuMesk | then, setting them and 11 to ally may or may not have desirable results |
| 01:49.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster A1win (a1win@217.112.241.121) |
| 01:49.17 | KahviToinen | A1win, hei pikkuinen |
| 01:49.28 | KahviToinen | Onko sulla lapset? |
| 01:49.41 | Dustin|Work | what! |
| 01:49.51 | KahviToinen | Dustin|Work, hey cutie. |
| 01:49.53 | KahviToinen | Do you have kids? |
| 01:50.04 | Nytemare | Suddenly finnish. |
| 01:50.11 | IskatuMesk | I have interns |
| 01:50.16 | KahviToinen | Nytemare, how did you know |
| 01:50.29 | Nytemare | Because I work with a fuckload of different people? |
| 01:50.30 | Dustin|Work | I do not |
| 01:50.35 | KahviToinen | I thought I was perfect at disguising Finnish as Coptic Ehyptian. |
| 01:50.48 | Nytemare | I can't speak much of anything, but I can recognize them at least. |
| 01:50.53 | KahviToinen | Ahh |
| 01:51.02 | Dustin|Work | I thought he was just having a stroke |
| 01:51.11 | KahviToinen | You must be American. |
| 01:51.22 | Dustin|Work | You must be correct ;) |
| 01:51.27 | Nytemare | Indeed. I live in California. About as far from you as possible. |
| 01:51.33 | IskatuMesk | I am Canadian... kind of like demiAmerican |
| 01:51.41 | Dustin|Work | He's Americas hat |
| 01:51.43 | Nytemare | Don't insult yourself Mesk |
| 01:51.58 | IskatuMesk | we can only dream of the golf carts |
| 01:51.59 | Nytemare | When americans go abroad, we say we are canadian. |
| 01:52.01 | IskatuMesk | and the freedom |
| 01:52.12 | KahviToinen | I'm not Finnish. |
| 01:52.22 | KahviToinen | I just enjoy trolling the Finns. |
| 01:52.39 | Nytemare | Doesn't their government do a good job of that already? |
| 01:52.41 | KahviToinen | I was going to say to him or her if he or she said "yes", "Good, can I love one into submission?" in Finnish |
| 01:52.50 | KahviToinen | I know virtually nothing of Finnish politics. |
| 01:52.55 | KahviToinen | Only that they have this guy called Timo Soini. |
| 01:53.34 | Nytemare | Eh, I follow snippets of everything. |
| 01:55.26 | KahviToinen | What does the government do then? |
| 01:56.46 | Nytemare | From what I last remember, they and holland had a falling out about rebuying bonds. |
| 01:57.17 | Nytemare | Don't quote me on this, but I think it was about not wanting to buy bonds from the EU |
| 01:57.57 | Nytemare | ah, found an old source on it. |
| 01:57.58 | Nytemare | http://www.businessinsider.com/netherlands-finland-kill-eu-summit-progress-2012-7 |
| 01:59.38 | Nytemare | On another topic, have you seen Five Nights at Freddy's? |
| 01:59.40 | Nytemare | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOztnsBPrAA |
| 02:00.47 | KahviToinen | Well |
| 02:00.53 | KahviToinen | the Dutch are a bunch of racists anyway with their black pete. |
| 02:05.48 | ArcanePariah | Nytemare, suggestion, do not make each invididual zergling its own wave |
| 02:06.05 | ArcanePariah | Make them as a group |
| 02:06.20 | IskatuMesk | is that why the campaign AI is blowing up |
| 02:06.21 | Nytemare | Then they can't split >.> |
| 02:06.36 | Nytemare | The zerglings are all randomly choosing targets, remember? |
| 02:06.36 | ArcanePariah | Sure they can |
| 02:06.57 | IskatuMesk | the melee AI will override triggered attack waves btw |
| 02:07.10 | Nytemare | That's problematic. |
| 02:07.18 | IskatuMesk | probably explains why I see everything behaving so weirdly |
| 02:07.24 | Nytemare | yeah. |
| 02:07.33 | IskatuMesk | in campaign Ai the attack waves are extremely sluggish |
| 02:07.49 | IskatuMesk | if the melee AI is just ignoring them, that's probably why they go anywhere at all |
| 02:07.59 | IskatuMesk | it's kind of odd |
| 02:08.02 | Nytemare | ArcanePariah, explain the splitting further? |
| 02:08.03 | IskatuMesk | what I would do... |
| 02:08.14 | IskatuMesk | give them some building that can train them for free... |
| 02:08.34 | IskatuMesk | make actual attack waves that build the units and then assign them in groups and segrate them in like... 3-4 waves |
| 02:08.58 | IskatuMesk | then have commands for that for every wave as opposed to spawning individuals |
| 02:09.21 | Nytemare | ...huh? |
| 02:09.30 | IskatuMesk | but I actually have no idea what happens when you try to do that with no waits |
| 02:09.30 | Nytemare | What's the point of all that? |
| 02:09.40 | IskatuMesk | just easier sorting |
| 02:09.54 | Nytemare | They sort just fine though as-is... |
| 02:10.06 | IskatuMesk | though, if the melee AI is still using newunit*, it won't matter |
| 02:10.12 | Nytemare | Wait wait. |
| 02:10.13 | IskatuMesk | they'll get stuffed into the melee attack waves and ignore the triggers |
| 02:10.35 | IskatuMesk | and those waves are what contains the obstruction killing behavior |
| 02:10.46 | IskatuMesk | which I suspect is the root of your trouble |
| 02:10.53 | Nytemare | all of this is trying to fix the attack wave system, which I switched to because I was told that the lag was due to me using unit groups with attack orders. |
| 02:11.01 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 02:11.05 | Nytemare | They pathed relatively well with actual orders. |
| 02:11.12 | Nytemare | Now they don't path, and it lags MORE. |
| 02:11.24 | IskatuMesk | the lag is from the melee AI and trees as far as I can tell |
| 02:11.25 | ArcanePariah | Ok, couple things, after running stuff through the debugger. Firstly, use campaign AI, since melee runs a bunch of shit that hogging the cpu |
| 02:11.46 | IskatuMesk | the campaign AI can't handle the zerglings for shit, though |
| 02:11.47 | Nytemare | Changed. |
| 02:11.53 | Nytemare | They don't need to micro |
| 02:11.54 | IskatuMesk | like, they path, but veeeery slowly |
| 02:11.56 | Nytemare | They just need to target. |
| 02:12.01 | IskatuMesk | they mostly idle |
| 02:12.05 | ArcanePariah | Next, raise your APM a LOT |
| 02:12.06 | Nytemare | As long as they get there. |
| 02:12.10 | Nytemare | 300 too low? |
| 02:12.13 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 02:12.15 | IskatuMesk | 300 is pretty low |
| 02:12.17 | ArcanePariah | set it to like 3000 |
| 02:12.18 | IskatuMesk | I go for 20k |
| 02:12.34 | IskatuMesk | if you used bullies, you'd see nothing happening with 300 |
| 02:12.45 | IskatuMesk | the AI is insanely inefficient at apm |
| 02:13.10 | Nytemare | So, it won't force 20k, it'll just allow them as needed? |
| 02:13.15 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 02:13.26 | IskatuMesk | the worst part about high APM is worker retreat |
| 02:13.36 | IskatuMesk | if you have that on in normal melee, the AI eats cpu like crazy |
| 02:13.39 | IskatuMesk | otherwise, shouldn't be an issue |
| 02:13.39 | Nytemare | That should help the campaign AI's sluggish control, right? |
| 02:13.43 | IskatuMesk | possibly |
| 02:13.45 | IskatuMesk | gotta test it |
| 02:13.47 | Nytemare | No workers |
| 02:13.50 | Nytemare | should be fine there |
| 02:13.51 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 02:14.00 | Nytemare | alright, checking |
| 02:14.05 | Nytemare | campaign 20k |
| 02:14.18 | Nytemare | Difficulty Brutal (not that it matters, right?) |
| 02:14.22 | IskatuMesk | it does |
| 02:14.33 | IskatuMesk | the attack wave triggers don't work on some difficulties |
| 02:14.36 | IskatuMesk | (but it should for brutal) |
| 02:14.45 | Nytemare | I thought they were broken under normal? |
| 02:14.54 | IskatuMesk | I set the apm to 3k and to campaign, testing |
| 02:15.00 | IskatuMesk | they are broken under quite a few |
| 02:15.37 | ArcanePariah | Ok, also, do you NEED to update the clock thing every second? |
| 02:15.39 | IskatuMesk | every time I start the king start tap dancing |
| 02:17.10 | Nytemare | Arcane, not REALLY. In fact, I'd prefer it to count by hour, but as you can see the trigger is janky as hell. |
| 02:17.20 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so yeah, I also set Campaign, with 5k apm, and the ai worked fine, came straight for me, and murdered me :D |
| 02:17.23 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 02:17.25 | IskatuMesk | the APM fixed it |
| 02:17.37 | IskatuMesk | I didn't think so few lings would freeze at 300 |
| 02:17.42 | IskatuMesk | it's even dirtier than I thought |
| 02:17.45 | IskatuMesk | still laggy, but it works perfectly |
| 02:18.05 | Nytemare | I see problems still. |
| 02:18.21 | Nytemare | Zerglings chilling in the forests |
| 02:18.28 | IskatuMesk | these are my exact changes |
| 02:18.37 | Nytemare | most are pathing correctly though |
| 02:18.40 | Nytemare | so that's an improvement |
| 02:18.47 | IskatuMesk | 1 - Set Campaign for All players, 2 - 11 to 3k APM, set 0 and 11 to Ally with no vision |
| 02:18.53 | Nytemare | OH, that's a waypoint offset. |
| 02:18.54 | Nytemare | derp. |
| 02:18.56 | IskatuMesk | set attack waves to target enemies of player 11 |
| 02:19.12 | IskatuMesk | offsets may end up in weird places |
| 02:19.17 | IskatuMesk | so I wanted to eliminate that possibility |
| 02:19.19 | Nytemare | yea. |
| 02:19.37 | Nytemare | this is already significantly better. |
| 02:20.03 | Nytemare | still have plenty of wanderers. Offset is gonna have to go. |
| 02:20.26 | Nytemare | aaaand they all suddenly stopped. |
| 02:20.27 | IskatuMesk | probably a better way to get some randomization in |
| 02:20.30 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 02:20.31 | Nytemare | They are just hanging around nowq. |
| 02:20.38 | IskatuMesk | I died first |
| 02:20.48 | Nytemare | I've done this a few hundred times. |
| 02:20.52 | IskatuMesk | they should at least head over to black |
| 02:20.59 | Nytemare | Not seing it. |
| 02:21.03 | Nytemare | they won't for me |
| 02:21.08 | Nytemare | because I have mine set to attack me |
| 02:21.10 | Nytemare | not all enemies |
| 02:21.12 | IskatuMesk | possibly |
| 02:21.19 | IskatuMesk | if they can't reach the offset maybe it blows up |
| 02:21.29 | Nytemare | That...might be the case. |
| 02:21.54 | Nytemare | removed waypoints. |
| 02:21.57 | Nytemare | trying again |
| 02:22.18 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.25 | IskatuMesk | that's what I set to the target |
| 02:22.27 | IskatuMesk | er |
| 02:22.29 | IskatuMesk | enemies of 1? |
| 02:22.30 | IskatuMesk | lol. |
| 02:22.36 | IskatuMesk | well, it still worked |
| 02:22.38 | Nytemare | Enemies of 11 :-P |
| 02:22.50 | IskatuMesk | I know, I realize I didn't change that |
| 02:22.53 | Nytemare | In this case, I set the target to random unit in all units owned by player 1 |
| 02:22.54 | IskatuMesk | but it was somehow still working |
| 02:25.56 | Nytemare | Great...they are back to their old habits. They are doing the "stack up next to a cliff" bullshit again. |
| 02:26.07 | Nytemare | This one is a known issue. |
| 02:26.12 | Nytemare | I'm not even blocking the damn ramp though |
| 02:26.31 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 02:26.42 | IskatuMesk | I could send you my variant of the map |
| 02:26.47 | IskatuMesk | if you think it would help |
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| 02:27.22 | Nytemare | Yours isn't any different, except that you have it targeting the easiest target on the map |
| 02:27.28 | Nytemare | the one that makes them walk a straight north line |
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| 02:28.30 | Nytemare | I just found a pile of patrolling zerglings in the enemy base. |
| 02:28.31 | Nytemare | -_- |
| 02:28.36 | IskatuMesk | loool |
| 02:28.48 | IskatuMesk | well, if they kill their target unit, they need a new target |
| 02:28.50 | Nytemare | Sir, hav eyou been drinking? |
| 02:28.56 | Nytemare | They killed nothing |
| 02:29.06 | Nytemare | I don't lose units anymore when testing. |
| 02:29.09 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 02:32.17 | Nytemare | Time for a break from the pathing crap. Feel like poking around with an fake autoharvesting building? |
| 02:32.31 | IskatuMesk | that is way too advanced for me haha |
| 02:32.40 | Nytemare | I haven't even started it yet, so right now I'm just trying to figure out exactly how it'll work. |
| 02:32.43 | IskatuMesk | AI crap is all I have really had the chance to get into so far |
| 02:32.51 | Nytemare | I know it'll produce units like a hatchery does larva |
| 02:33.00 | IskatuMesk | been mostly trying to figure out the melee code... but it's really hardcode heavy so I got nowhere |
| 02:34.30 | ArcanePariah | Nytemare, Spawn Behavior to create harvesters. On spawn, run search effect on them, look for resource nodes, issue order effect to the harvesters, targeting the found node. |
| 02:34.43 | IskatuMesk | the rest of my time went into figuring out the plugin for max and converting crap |
| 02:34.51 | Nytemare | That's pretty much where I was with this. |
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| 08:09.39 | TwoDie | be a dick about it |
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| 08:45.25 | Zolden | Goa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsdgXEdGFII |
| 08:45.29 | Zolden | how my game works |
| 08:53.01 | TwoDie | like ass |
| 10:11.57 | Zolden | is it safe to upload on NA? |
| 10:12.05 | Zolden | i remember there was something gay about it |
| 10:12.07 | Zolden | is it gone? |
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| 12:38.29 | Rommper | hey |
| 12:39.11 | Zolden | heygh |
| 12:42.38 | Zolden | Goa downloading coherence |
| 12:47.13 | Goa | nice |
| 12:47.43 | Goa | I am fixing a bug in Entropy TD and now I really hate sc2 editor after all this Unity:D |
| 12:48.46 | Rommper | csatlakoztál a unity swarmhoz? :D |
| 12:51.08 | Goa | mar regota:D |
| 12:52.13 | Goa | Managed to fix bug with moving 1-2 triggers after hours of debuging and I dont really know how did I really fix it. :) |
| 12:52.21 | Zolden | Goa lol, understandable :) |
| 12:52.44 | Zolden | that Debug.Log() thing is just SO FUCKING USEFUL TO DESTROY THE SHIT OF ANY MOTHERFUCKING BUG ON THE EARTH!!!! |
| 12:52.53 | Zolden | and there's no such thing in galaxy |
| 12:53.18 | Zolden | Goa if you don't know, there's a chance it's not fixed |
| 13:00.22 | Goa | true |
| 13:00.40 | Goa | but I managed to figure out what is the bug hours ago |
| 13:01.06 | Goa | and now it works if I move some triggers like x way... |
| 13:01.27 | Zolden | you mean move triggers in the list of triggers? |
| 13:01.53 | Goa | nooo |
| 13:01.59 | Goa | I mean actually actions |
| 13:02.20 | Goa | It must be multiple bugs that I fixed with ti:D |
| 13:06.48 | Goa | so when will you publish your puzzle?:D |
| 13:22.03 | Zolden | I have published it, but google still doesn't show it |
| 13:22.15 | Zolden | probably because I had "tetris" in its name |
| 13:22.18 | Zolden | now I removed |
| 13:22.21 | Zolden | btu still no go |
| 13:22.36 | Zolden | just sitting and waiting instead of running massive propaganda ;/ |
| 13:27.26 | Rommper | Zolden do you know what kind of game we would need on android? :D |
| 13:28.28 | Rommper | a good RTS! |
| 13:28.41 | Rommper | i cant find any |
| 13:29.01 | Zolden | tapping screen isn't a very good way of controlling mass units in real time |
| 13:29.01 | Rommper | and i mean a RTS like warcraft, starcraft, C$C |
| 13:29.18 | Rommper | i have no porblem with it |
| 13:29.29 | Zolden | i saw there's dune 2 for android |
| 13:29.31 | Zolden | try it |
| 13:29.49 | Zolden | also, I don't feel rts will be any popular |
| 13:30.17 | Zolden | but I'd create one one day |
| 13:32.21 | Rommper | damn ea for not makin android version of Red Alert Iphone |
| 13:32.36 | Goa | you need to make rts for mobile without micro:D |
| 13:34.54 | Rommper | what i hate, that all the "RTS"-s on Android are these Farmvile styled shits |
| 13:35.03 | Rommper | where you have to upgrade your buildings for hours |
| 13:35.24 | Rommper | and its not real time at all XD |
| 13:41.16 | Zolden | are there tug of war games on android? |
| 13:41.40 | Zolden | i'd make one, it's easy and can be fun, and involves AI (I love making ai's) |
| 13:43.14 | Rommper | idk |
| 13:43.20 | Zolden | so lie -> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/970533_924111554276523_7508451549908828686_n.jpg?oh=eafda84ebdcaa8cea8db799985254d8e&oe=5495B27D |
| 13:44.46 | Goa | Zolden there are some tug of war games, like plants and zombies kinda tug of war too, but nothing really good |
| 13:44.53 | Goa | I have a plan to make one |
| 13:47.07 | Zolden | yea, let's show them how tug of war work! |
| 13:47.14 | Zolden | we originate from their lair |
| 13:48.16 | Zolden | i'll make one with the spaceships models from my shmup, will just add 5-10 more, and it will be a nice fleet to do the counter combos we like tug of wars for |
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| 14:07.08 | TwoDie | lol. hearthstoner forgot to armor up before killing minion.. died while attacking with his face |
| 14:08.15 | Ahli | :D |
| 14:09.34 | TwoDie | he had 3 health, target minion had 3 attack.. and nothing else on my side to kill next turn him |
| 14:13.41 | Merc | isnt dota basically a tug of war game |
| 14:16.19 | TwoDie | if you took out the heroes and other main mechanics that makes dota dota. then you may have some what a tug |
| 14:16.55 | TwoDie | *tow |
| 14:20.01 | Zolden | towdei |
| 14:20.46 | TwoDie | zlodne |
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| 14:21.18 | ZoldenFanNo1 | @_@ |
| 14:21.46 | TwoDie | again this racist came jhere |
| 14:22.03 | Zolden | who would you prefer? a niggerist? |
| 14:22.28 | Zolden | ZoldenFanNo1 share all information about your project with bounty |
| 14:22.58 | Zolden | or twodie will send you to france, they eat frogs there |
| 14:23.53 | TwoDie | racist eat their closest friends worms and bugs to survive |
| 14:25.04 | ZoldenFanNo1 | my partner is nanakey |
| 14:25.30 | ZoldenFanNo1 | and why french eat frogs. |
| 14:25.34 | ZoldenFanNo1 | shame of them! |
| 14:25.49 | TwoDie | cause you eat worms! |
| 14:27.10 | ZoldenFanNo1 | Frogs don't just eat worms, they eat everything that fits their mouth. |
| 14:27.45 | Zolden | dudes, dl the two new american dad episodes, they are nice |
| 14:28.48 | TwoDie | yeah right just go and find more things to waste time on since a lot is dont meanwhile |
| 14:30.54 | TwoDie | bb |
| 14:30.56 | TwoDie | 54545 |
| 14:30.58 | TwoDie | jaodjasjdoa |
| 14:33.00 | ZoldenFanNo1 | croak croak |
| 14:35.20 | Zolden | lol, pretty close |
| 14:37.57 | ZoldenFanNo1 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/52/92/Dustisa.png |
| 14:40.40 | Ahli | :o |
| 14:41.25 | Zolden | ZoldenFanNo1 is it dustin's head in the webs on the previous image? |
| 14:47.36 | TwoDie | https://gp1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/806614/photos/photos.500px.net/83886929/34626b50160137a7b46d78bb872a1f5cd3e6af37/2048.jpg |
| 14:50.27 | ZoldenFanNo1 | Yeah |
| 14:50.39 | ZoldenFanNo1 | Dustins are every where. |
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| 16:26.24 | Zolden | Goa check this photo I made in the latest full moon http://i.snag.gy/MDtrt.jpg |
| 16:26.38 | Zolden | there's a satellite caught |
| 16:29.40 | Goa | pff |
| 16:29.43 | Goa | thats a bird |
| 16:30.33 | Zolden | it's fucking satellite, there are alot of them passing the moon disc |
| 16:30.36 | Zolden | 2 per minute |
| 16:31.15 | Goa | it looks like a bird |
| 16:31.27 | Goa | I dont know satellites with v shape solar panels:D |
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| 16:31.36 | Zolden | becasue satellites have wings, their solar baterries |
| 16:31.51 | Zolden | how high a bird should fly to be that small? also, don't think birds fly at night |
| 16:32.06 | Goa | lol |
| 16:32.13 | Goa | birds fly at night all the time... |
| 16:32.33 | Zolden | it looks v-shaped becasue it's too small, and camera is a bit gay |
| 16:32.42 | Goa | it looks very high though I dont know the angle of your shot |
| 16:32.54 | Zolden | you know the angle of moon |
| 16:33.24 | Goa | not really |
| 16:35.05 | Zolden | birds are visible even if they fly high, this thing wouldn't be visible, too small relatively to the moon |
| 16:36.10 | Goa | its bird dropped from an airplane and you shot it from far away from a low angle.D |
| 16:38.00 | Zolden | i'd hear airplane sound |
| 16:39.23 | Zolden | and airplanes without motors would definitely not fly in that darkness |
| 16:39.28 | Goa | Its US stealth plane doing reconnaissance:D |
| 16:40.15 | Zolden | and dropping birds is definitely a way to measure altitude |
| 16:42.26 | Goa | spy birds |
| 16:42.54 | Goa | shall never admit he is wrong |
| 16:43.42 | Zolden | and twod shall never admit he is not lazy |
| 16:53.15 | Merc | at what point is the "Ready" animation used in a generic unit? |
| 16:53.21 | Zolden | Goa ok, and what about this in the clouds? what could cause it? http://i.snag.gy/XJovk.jpg |
| 16:53.34 | Merc | I was hoping it was used during backswing or reload |
| 16:53.43 | Zolden | Merc it is actually |
| 16:53.51 | Merc | I got this slow attacking unit that goes back to "stand" |
| 16:53.55 | Merc | looks retarded |
| 16:53.56 | Zolden | after attack anim is done, before new attack happens |
| 16:54.02 | Merc | hmh |
| 16:54.18 | Zolden | it must go back to ready, as the ghost do |
| 16:54.43 | Zolden | check ghost events, maybe something there makes it show ready |
| 16:56.11 | Merc | alright, thanks |
| 16:59.22 | TwoDie | 5 |
| 17:00.03 | Goa | Zolden nothing really special about that cloud |
| 17:00.15 | TwoDie | correct answer is vagina |
| 17:00.19 | Goa | possibly 2 cloud* |
| 17:01.29 | Merc | weird, looks like it has the same event that triggers the ready animation |
| 17:02.05 | Goa | So Zolden you arent at the anti war protest in Moscow? shame on you:D |
| 17:03.13 | Zolden | Goa I had beter stuff to do |
| 17:03.34 | Zolden | why should I go there if I could simply like photos from there on facebook - same effect |
| 17:03.55 | TwoDie | :D |
| 17:04.43 | Zolden | Goa that cloud look like it's pierced by something that came from space falling down |
| 17:04.54 | Zolden | there's a hole and a cloud track |
| 17:06.01 | Goa | it would leave trail all the way then |
| 17:06.46 | Zolden | it had no matter to spread, it jsut disturbed the cloud a little, so the tail is short |
| 17:08.00 | TwoDie | 15 |
| 17:10.46 | Zolden | TwoDie waht your numbers mean? |
| 17:12.28 | TwoDie | end of u |
| 17:15.30 | Zolden | but it goes up |
| 17:15.34 | Zolden | and it's int |
| 17:16.08 | Zolden | Goa and this is the waterfall that is following that "bridge" pipe http://i.snag.gy/J5iIT.jpg |
| 17:17.16 | Goa | what a high waterfall:D |
| 17:19.16 | Zolden | yea, second niagara |
| 17:19.26 | Zolden | but still deadly though, ppl die there sometimes |
| 17:19.50 | Zolden | because water full of bubbles can't bring them up to air |
| 17:28.42 | Rommper | how could i spawn a model when a unit die, but only until the death time of the unit? |
| 17:36.19 | Zolden | you can create actor at unit death in unit's scope |
| 17:37.28 | Rommper | and how to destroy? |
| 17:37.34 | Zolden | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 17:38.05 | Rommper | a corpse model which remain there until the unit death time occur |
| 17:38.26 | Zolden | there should be some simple built-in way to do it |
| 17:38.33 | Rommper | so the unit dies-> corpse model>unit death time expire->remove |
| 17:38.35 | Zolden | some buildings have it |
| 17:40.04 | Rommper | which ones? |
| 17:40.13 | Zolden | do you wnat those corpses to be raisdeadable? |
| 17:42.08 | Rommper | yes |
| 17:43.00 | Zolden | then they must be units |
| 17:43.16 | Rommper | nah |
| 17:43.27 | Zolden | how else will you raise dead if they are actors? |
| 17:43.44 | Rommper | i added create actor corpse to the event of unit |
| 17:43.57 | Rommper | unit death->create actor corpse |
| 17:44.11 | Rommper | buut i don't know how to remove it when the death time end |
| 17:44.23 | Zolden | does it appear? |
| 17:44.30 | Rommper | yes |
| 17:44.41 | Rommper | and its targetable by the spell |
| 17:44.45 | Rommper | so its good |
| 17:44.57 | Zolden | is death time different for different units? |
| 17:44.58 | Rommper | even its remove the corpse by the spell |
| 17:45.16 | Rommper | no |
| 17:45.24 | Rommper | it isn't so far |
| 17:45.53 | Zolden | interesting, if death time end has any messages for actors? |
| 17:46.06 | Rommper | hmm i can watch it |
| 17:46.07 | Merc | uh I got a different problem, I just realized that the first time my units attack they don't do any damage |
| 17:46.17 | Merc | like, the first time the weapon does damage |
| 17:46.45 | Zolden | if death time woul be the same, you could use timer to let actors destroy themselves |
| 17:47.16 | Zolden | Merc that sounds like a mess in data |
| 17:47.41 | Zolden | how a simple attack that only has weapon -> damage effect, not do damage? |
| 17:50.30 | Merc | well, it's only the first time it attacks something |
| 17:50.37 | Merc | after that, it's fine |
| 17:50.39 | Merc | really strange |
| 17:51.19 | Rommper | no it doesn't show massage |
| 17:51.22 | Rommper | but wait i got an idea |
| 17:53.14 | Rommper | maybe i can remove it with trigger same as it removed by trigger for raise dead spell |
| 17:53.40 | Zolden | omg, all that should be done in data |
| 17:53.59 | Rommper | why |
| 17:54.15 | Rommper | its work fine with the trigger too |
| 17:54.33 | Zolden | becasue data is simple, elegant, fast, easy to create and modify |
| 17:54.40 | Zolden | all those data adventages |
| 17:54.49 | Rommper | or not this cease |
| 17:55.00 | Zolden | if you create your game with mass triggers, it will have annoying delays, and will look messy |
| 17:55.18 | Rommper | first i done it with data only and the remove corpse effect didn't work |
| 17:55.43 | Zolden | in all cases data is better, the nly situation when triggers are possible is when something can't be done with data |
| 17:55.49 | Rommper | i have only the remove corpse as trigger so far |
| 17:56.11 | Zolden | if something data related doesn't work, go to data part of forum, ask, do it the right way |
| 17:56.17 | Rommper | even on the forums everyone done it with triggers |
| 17:56.24 | Rommper | :P |
| 17:56.27 | Zolden | use data part of forum :) |
| 17:56.38 | Rommper | used :P |
| 17:56.58 | Zolden | in my map raise dead happens with data, and it works cool |
| 17:57.40 | Rommper | fine |
| 17:58.05 | Zolden | maybe search on forum with different related keywords, check all results, somwhere you will find the correct approach |
| 17:59.03 | Zolden | raise dead spell must search for dead units, remove them, create skeletons. Removing must remove the actor too, if actor is configured correctly |
| 18:00.35 | Rommper | remove didn't remove the unit with data in all cases |
| 18:01.10 | Rommper | so i do it as others remove the unit by trigger |
| 18:01.19 | Rommper | the spell remove the actor too anyway |
| 18:01.35 | Rommper | the actor remains if i didn't use the spell on the corpse and the death time expire |
| 18:01.39 | Zolden | why? there's instant remove kind of suicide effect, isn't it |
| 18:02.00 | Rommper | yes and it doesn't work on the dead unit for x reason |
| 18:02.33 | Zolden | asked about it on forum? |
| 18:03.24 | TwoDie | http://play.freeciv.org/new_europe_scenario/ |
| 18:03.26 | Zolden | you can go different ways still, create dummy units as corpses, they'd be alive, but look and act like corpses, or you could use initial units as dead without killing them, just a behavior that changes main actor, or hides it |
| 18:03.51 | Zolden | i don't remember how I did it, but there are alot of nice data ways, jsut try one by one, chose the best |
| 18:04.12 | Zolden | data is super flexible matter |
| 18:04.36 | Zolden | and triggers mean "i'm too stupid to do it with data, so I better ruin the gameplay with triggers" |
| 18:04.48 | Zolden | but i'm sure, you're not stupid, you just lack of experience |
| 18:05.03 | Zolden | just show persistency, try different approaches, find the best ones |
| 18:05.07 | Rommper | why would it ruin everything if it do what i want and i don't have shittons of triggers |
| 18:05.30 | Rommper | as i said i have only this one ability related |
| 18:05.55 | Zolden | mostly because it's giving up, cutting possible experience |
| 18:05.58 | Rommper | the other one so far is the selection limit |
| 18:06.03 | Zolden | like triggers -> fail |
| 18:06.15 | Rommper | so triggers are there to not used |
| 18:06.30 | Zolden | but ok, if you like triggers, go on, i started my mapmaking career with mass triggering |
| 18:06.33 | Zolden | like homm map |
| 18:06.35 | Zolden | FUCKING MESS |
| 18:06.40 | Zolden | right, TwoDie? |
| 18:07.13 | Zolden | triggers are for situations where data can't be done, like calculations, or using look at behaviors |
| 18:08.25 | TwoDie | cant say much about it |
| 18:11.21 | Rommper | i know mass triggering is bad, but one trigger isn't |
| 18:12.47 | TwoDie | if you can create something that you want with data then you are fucked. as triggers is the shit. so shiet that its just plain unfunctional.. |
| 18:12.58 | TwoDie | with all those delays and shiet |
| 18:13.26 | Zolden | Rommper if you wnat to give up and use trigger without reasons, go on |
| 18:14.14 | TwoDie | give up on sc2 map making and go full Unity! |
| 18:16.42 | TwoDie | rq :D |
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| 18:25.54 | Goa | twodie this civ looks nice |
| 18:26.25 | TwoDie | functions and plays a bit horrible |
| 18:26.30 | TwoDie | in browser |
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| 18:30.32 | Goa | 30 sec min time limit is BS though |
| 18:30.53 | Goa | can it be changed to real turn based? |
| 18:31.31 | TwoDie | fuck yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3I3o7z_f6w |
| 18:31.58 | TwoDie | idk |
| 18:32.07 | TwoDie | but before you start there is settings menu |
| 18:32.10 | TwoDie | button |
| 18:32.19 | TwoDie | and there can be changed time |
| 18:32.32 | Goa | but not less than 30 sec |
| 18:34.49 | Goa | -/set: You are not allowed to set timeout values less than 30 seconds. |
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| 19:03.44 | Bounty | Is there anyway to destroy all actor models of a certain type via triggers? |
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| 19:19.10 | Goa | yes |
| 19:19.18 | Goa | you can send actor messages to region |
| 19:19.31 | Goa | if I am right |
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| 19:53.18 | Zolden | Goa sure you right, you shall never admit you wrong |
| 19:56.43 | Goa | I am right cause I am always right.) |
| 20:00.02 | TwoDie | yay more leaked nudes |
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| 20:53.08 | Zandose | can i attach a 3d model to a 2d model? |
| 20:53.55 | Zandose | never mind. i have to go |
| 20:54.14 | greybeard | http://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/2h1d57/ui_texturegraphical_glitch_anyone_else_have_it/ looks like camera near clip issue |
| 20:58.20 | IskatuMesk | JADEMUSSREG I COMMAND YOU TO AWAKEN FROM YOUR SLUMBER AND TAKE THIS MAN-BULL BY THE HORNS |
| 21:09.37 | greybeard | ? |
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| 21:38.58 | charys | is there any way to edit the distortiony field some models (archon/hybrid) have when viewed in a dialog item? (portrait/unit link) |
| 21:39.32 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I'm assuming you are referring to the particle effects they give off? |
| 21:40.25 | charys | i'd say it's more than simple particles being emitted |
| 21:40.32 | ArcanePariah|Sch | If you are doing the model in portrait, you may wish to alter the lighting. The lighting of such items can be customized independent of the map. |
| 21:41.31 | charys | won't help with the distortion thing =/ i'll ask a modeler, but thanks |
| 21:47.12 | Zolden | charys yes, it can be done |
| 21:47.15 | Zolden | I once done it |
| 21:47.18 | Zolden | looks cool |
| 21:47.28 | Zolden | glass dialogs, easy |
| 21:48.16 | charys | i actually just need it to either be removed from a model or enlarged to cover the entire model |
| 21:48.22 | charys | but that does sound cool |
| 21:48.57 | Zolden | what model? |
| 21:49.36 | charys | hybrid hologram |
| 21:50.24 | Zolden | could you show me a screenshot? i have too much programs open to expect sc2 editor get runned in a reasonable time without freezing my computer |
| 21:50.33 | Zolden | only 2gb ram, you know |
| 21:51.59 | charys | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=141ms9j&s=8#.VB9IcfTy_pQ |
| 21:52.11 | charys | the white circle isn't part of the model |
| 21:53.28 | charys | (the hybrid hologram is the yellow blob in the bottom rightish) |
| 21:53.47 | Zolden | ok, and you want that magnifying glass looking thing to be bigger to cover the model or be removed to cover nothing? |
| 21:55.14 | charys | would it be too much to ask for both? |
| 21:56.46 | Zolden | is it hots or wol model? |
| 21:57.08 | charys | hots |
| 21:58.12 | Kazimir | Good afternoon! |
| 21:59.30 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Good afternoon |
| 21:59.43 | Kazimir | Ack! AP's here! |
| 21:59.43 | Zolden | charys is it animated? hots models can't be edited without loosing anims |
| 21:59.49 | Kazimir | Thought you were at school? |
| 22:00.10 | ArcanePariah|Sch | No, school does not start for 2 weeks for me |
| 22:00.14 | Zolden | lol, i just checked my thread, and found this post, followed by 2 next posts, that made me smile http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/31347-have-a-look-there-is-my-n-th-model/?post=238 |
| 22:00.34 | IskatuMesk | distortion = simple particles |
| 22:00.35 | Kazimir | points at AP's name |
| 22:00.55 | charys | yes, it is animated |
| 22:00.57 | IskatuMesk | hex edit the mesh and look for particle textures and assign them to blank textures |
| 22:01.25 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Ahh yes, I have an alt name for when I was at school taking classes, I got DCed from IRC earlier, and it reconnects with the alt |
| 22:01.46 | Kazimir | nice. |
| 22:02.06 | IskatuMesk | all distortion is, is a material setting |
| 22:02.15 | IskatuMesk | it will be assigned generally to a particle or an overlay mesh |
| 22:02.24 | Zolden | IskatuMesk distortion has no connection with particles |
| 22:02.25 | IskatuMesk | find what material is using it and just assign its texture to a blank one |
| 22:02.41 | Zolden | because distortion is a shader effect |
| 22:02.43 | IskatuMesk | blizzard almost always uses it on particles when they use it |
| 22:02.44 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 22:03.01 | IskatuMesk | but clearly he doesn't know what a shader is, so just removing the particles will remove it in most cases :3 |
| 22:03.19 | Zolden | charys ok, and do you wnat the model to lose its anims while being edited as you wnat? |
| 22:03.34 | IskatuMesk | if there's a LOT of textures, just find which one the base mesh is using and blank out the rest one by one until it vanishes |
| 22:04.08 | charys | i don't. if there's no way to not lose the animations, i'll keep the animations |
| 22:05.02 | IskatuMesk | didn't someone make a new m2 importer? |
| 22:05.55 | Zolden | charys ok, but still try to post your request in artist tavern part of the forum, maybe someone will find a way to help you |
| 22:06.08 | IskatuMesk | I already told you how to go about it |
| 22:06.11 | Zolden | there was some pogress maybe since I stopped paying attention to it |
| 22:06.19 | charys | i was able to find the textures in the cutscene editor, viewing the model |
| 22:06.26 | charys | i'll see if iskat's method works |
| 22:06.32 | IskatuMesk | to edit it you'll need a hex editor |
| 22:06.42 | IskatuMesk | just need to find which texture the distortion material is referring to |
| 22:06.44 | Zolden | IskatuMesk ive him step by step instruction or do what he wants, it's hard to be noob and understand what other ppl tell you |
| 22:06.45 | charys | err, can't i just overwrite them? |
| 22:06.55 | IskatuMesk | you could |
| 22:06.59 | IskatuMesk | but it might overwrite something else in the game |
| 22:07.04 | IskatuMesk | if you don't care, then proceed |
| 22:07.10 | charys | #yolo |
| 22:07.59 | charys | does displacement sound right? |
| 22:08.02 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 22:08.07 | charys | kk |
| 22:08.20 | IskatuMesk | worth a try anyways |
| 22:08.27 | IskatuMesk | a lot of blizzard material names are just random letters haha |
| 22:08.30 | IskatuMesk | not a lot to go by in many of them |
| 22:10.00 | IskatuMesk | what m2 is that |
| 22:10.07 | Zolden | m3 |
| 22:10.14 | IskatuMesk | m3 |
| 22:10.50 | IskatuMesk | I keep forgetting there was a game between wc3 and sc2 |
| 22:12.45 | IskatuMesk | presumably hybrid hologram is all it is |
| 22:12.48 | IskatuMesk | and yeah I am sure that is a particle |
| 22:13.47 | IskatuMesk | and yeah, there is only one material called displacement, probably it |
| 22:14.02 | charys | overwriting with a blank 1x1 image seemed to make it worse (now two distorted hyrbrids are visible). thoughts? like a bigger blank image or something? |
| 22:14.12 | IskatuMesk | is the image alpha'd? |
| 22:14.15 | charys | yes |
| 22:14.19 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 22:14.28 | IskatuMesk | I have not messed with distortion in sc2 |
| 22:14.34 | IskatuMesk | it may not even treat textures the same way |
| 22:14.54 | IskatuMesk | presumably, fully alpha texture = no distortion |
| 22:15.56 | IskatuMesk | maybe you need a neutral gray texture or something... |
| 22:16.15 | charys | the original one was a mix of green/red |
| 22:16.18 | IskatuMesk | time for the googling |
| 22:16.26 | Zolden | charys it should be black material with black alpha |
| 22:16.28 | IskatuMesk | yeah... it may be using different channels |
| 22:17.07 | charys | hmm what's black alpha mean? like no alpha channel? |
| 22:17.58 | IskatuMesk | fill alpha with pure 0,0,0 black |
| 22:17.58 | Zolden | dds format always has alpha, and it must have black color |
| 22:18.13 | Zolden | assuming displacement material using alpha |
| 22:18.30 | IskatuMesk | has Normal and Strength |
| 22:18.33 | charys | success! using a black image |
| 22:18.34 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:18.45 | IskatuMesk | Strength is presumably the alpha |
| 22:18.48 | IskatuMesk | also, excellent |
| 22:19.14 | charys | thanks guyzzzz, team effort there you two =) |
| 22:19.19 | IskatuMesk | np |
| 22:19.45 | Zolden | i keep forgetting about simple hex editing with all those 3d max and art tools shit |
| 22:19.59 | IskatuMesk | problem mostly lays in importing models shredding them of data |
| 22:20.06 | IskatuMesk | that model would get annihilated if you imported it |
| 22:20.11 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:20.38 | IskatuMesk | I want to manhandle a ton of default assets but they'd all get wrecked by the import |
| 22:21.15 | Zolden | hots will, wol won't |
| 22:21.30 | IskatuMesk | it will still mangle materials/particles |
| 22:21.46 | IskatuMesk | more of an annoyance really |
| 22:22.02 | Zolden | sc2println can improve his blender importer to handle anything, and he has done alot |
| 22:22.21 | IskatuMesk | porting to max preserves data? |
| 22:22.34 | Zolden | materials and particles are easy to recreate, while animations are a realy uncompensatable loss |
| 22:22.55 | Zolden | preserves anims at least |
| 22:23.12 | IskatuMesk | yeah... I was hoping to have to avoid having to recreate them since I have enough to do, buuut... eh. I'll wait and see if a new importer for max rolls up |
| 22:23.20 | IskatuMesk | if not then I may just ignore it |
| 22:23.37 | Zolden | what makes you think about "new" importer for max? |
| 22:23.37 | IskatuMesk | wanted to do things like fix those awful smoke stacks on the hero goliath |
| 22:23.39 | IskatuMesk | fix viking barrels |
| 22:23.40 | Zolden | someone's working on one? |
| 22:23.46 | IskatuMesk | I think so |
| 22:23.47 | IskatuMesk | someone did mention it |
| 22:23.56 | IskatuMesk | there is one being made for heroes too |
| 22:24.02 | Zolden | someone duid mention it 2 years ago and did nopthing |
| 22:24.06 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 22:24.07 | Zolden | maybe someone else did? |
| 22:24.11 | IskatuMesk | more recent |
| 22:24.16 | IskatuMesk | either taylor mouse or blinkhawk |
| 22:24.16 | Zolden | ok then |
| 22:24.28 | Zolden | yea, that blink dude probably |
| 22:35.51 | Zolden | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI |
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