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| 01:59.33 | ArcanePariah|Sch | JademusSreg, a design question for you |
| 02:01.36 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Given that we can now send generic signals to set off trigger events, would it be wiser to have dialogs be entirely decoupled from their underlying logic? Basically do a MVC pattern, of having menus with options, and updating their state based on what is selected, then having the confimation button dispatch an event and have the back end logic then act on the current state, so that one need not know anything about |
| 02:01.36 | ArcanePariah|Sch | the dialogs, just the middleware state variables? |
| 02:03.39 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So instead of having triggers that do stuff based on the dialog items being interacted with, instead have the interaction update state, and basically be dumb as possible. |
| 02:06.26 | SirPirate | the tortilla'd one lies waiting |
| 02:07.17 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Guess I have to wait for it to be hungry again :D |
| 02:08.02 | ArcanePariah|Sch | SirPirate, for your elucidation, what I'm proposing above, is a the application of a design pattern, if that makes any sense to you. |
| 02:09.21 | SirPirate | I fully understand :P |
| 02:09.36 | SirPirate | I know of MVC from when I tried to learn ruby this one time |
| 02:09.36 | ArcanePariah|Sch | The idea being, by making the dialogs "dumb", I can change what the dialogs affect without having to change themselves, and also, if I expand the dialogs, I won't have to change the backend code. |
| 02:10.36 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So I would abstract things such that, the backend code will not care how many dialogs are, on say, a class selection screen. All the dialogs will do is set a variable or record to the appropriate values, and when the confirm/select button is hit, run another trigger, that will use whatever is found in that state variable and do stuff. |
| 02:11.25 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Thereby isolating the dialogs from the back code (they never see it, and just set state), and the backend just receives a state, and never cares what the GUI looks like, or how it is arranged at all. |
| 02:15.53 | SirPirate | jade will always tell you to decouple logic |
| 02:16.37 | rtschutter | Hey Arcane |
| 02:16.47 | rtschutter | I am having a little trouble implementing your idea with dummy units |
| 02:17.13 | SirPirate | mmm, dummy units |
| 02:17.28 | SirPirate | staple of blizzard map editing since war3 |
| 02:17.32 | rtschutter | I cannot issue an order to the unit to start an ability like scanner sweep |
| 02:17.43 | rtschutter | because it requires a target point |
| 02:17.59 | rtschutter | of course what I want to do is only reach the point in the ability where the player can now choose his target |
| 02:18.03 | rtschutter | but it wont seem to let me do that |
| 02:23.23 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hmmm |
| 02:29.15 | rtschutter | I just dont understand why abilities have to be tied to units |
| 02:29.18 | rtschutter | it seems so limiting |
| 02:32.16 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I think it comes down to cost, only synchronous units will have certain stats associated with them. If you didn't have a unit, you would need to start dealing with the various cases of making costs non functional (cooldown, charges, energy, life, shields) if they are not associated with a unit. |
| 02:33.10 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Plus there is the entire system of units reacting to other units. If an ability came from no unit, the units affected by the effect wouldn't know what to do (if set to flee, flee from what? in what direction? same goes for acquire) |
| 02:33.55 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I think the underlying assumption is that abilties comes from units, so other units can then interact/react. Tons of AI stuff relies on it. |
| 02:34.38 | rtschutter | well there must be a way to just have a unit start using an ability |
| 02:34.46 | rtschutter | the targeting phase of it anyways |
| 02:35.16 | rtschutter | its like the system was designed to stop me from doing what I want to do, though it always feels that way |
| 02:35.30 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Agreed, since the trigger events can obviously detect when an ability enters a stage. |
| 02:35.39 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Though that is after casting |
| 02:41.20 | rtschutter | I am starting to wonder if I should just go back to my crazy click trigger management system |
| 02:42.07 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Possibly |
| 02:42.54 | IskatuMesk | hi |
| 02:43.17 | SirPirate | yarr |
| 02:49.59 | Bounty | pew |
| 02:56.13 | IskatuMesk | ran my current work of the audiobook through my editor |
| 02:56.39 | IskatuMesk | some trouble spots I had issues with and wasted maybe a dozen hours total of voice acting on so far still need to be redone, the rest is satisfactory so far |
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| 04:32.45 | SirPirate | all so quiet |
| 04:37.54 | ArcanePariah|Sch | The calm before the Storm |
| 04:37.56 | ArcanePariah|Sch | :P |
| 05:05.13 | rtschutter | okay if ayone has any ideas on how to do this let me know: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/70714-creating-abilities-for-a-player/#p1 |
| 05:11.23 | SirPirate | my only ideas are hidden commander unit w/ preset command group hotkey |
| 05:11.43 | rtschutter | what is preset command group hotkey |
| 05:12.05 | SirPirate | so CTL+1 or whatever sets a unit group to a hotkey, yeah? |
| 05:12.13 | rtschutter | yes |
| 05:12.32 | SirPirate | you'd use triggers to set that to whatever hotkey you'd like |
| 05:12.47 | SirPirate | your commander abilities would still require 2 key presses, which is undesirable |
| 05:13.00 | rtschutter | yeah cant have that |
| 05:13.02 | rtschutter | damn |
| 05:13.09 | SirPirate | How much are you customizing your UI? |
| 05:13.24 | rtschutter | significantly |
| 05:13.38 | rtschutter | the buttons for the abilities |
| 05:13.42 | rtschutter | will always be on screen |
| 05:13.54 | rtschutter | I want them to be able to just push a button or press a hotkey |
| 05:14.04 | rtschutter | and have it give them a targeting cursor |
| 05:14.07 | SirPirate | you could also have an always selected hidden commander unit which could work with certain UI setups and clever command card work |
| 05:14.15 | rtschutter | so they can just left click where they want the ability to go off |
| 05:14.18 | SirPirate | right |
| 05:15.22 | rtschutter | I think it can be done through triggers but it just seems sloppy |
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| 05:15.37 | SirPirate | you dont want to have targetted abilities through triggers at all, no sir |
| 05:16.09 | rtschutter | its not like these abilities will be getting used constantly |
| 05:16.18 | rtschutter | but even so I would prefer to use data as much as possible |
| 05:16.23 | SirPirate | of course |
| 05:16.50 | SirPirate | sec |
| 05:19.20 | SirPirate | hahah, how many commander abilities are there? |
| 05:19.48 | SirPirate | and do you absolutely need the default 3x5 button command card? |
| 05:20.25 | rtschutter | yes I need the normal command card because you also have normal units to control |
| 05:20.49 | rtschutter | though we could probably get away with only a single row of abilities for each of those units |
| 05:21.05 | rtschutter | commander abilities will probably amount to 6 |
| 05:21.17 | rtschutter | for each player, and they could be different |
| 05:21.32 | rtschutter | I am basically trying to create a system similar to company of heroes |
| 05:21.35 | SirPirate | sure |
| 05:22.05 | ArcanePariah|Sch | An idea, that just occured to me. Have a commander unit with an inventory, and use ability type items |
| 05:22.12 | SirPirate | 1) how many units do you anticipate being on the map at any given time? |
| 05:22.23 | SirPirate | 2) are you currently using inventories for anything |
| 05:22.28 | SirPirate | >:D |
| 05:22.43 | ArcanePariah|Sch | With inventories, you could have a TON of abilties, and also rework them as another part o the UI |
| 05:22.53 | SirPirate | @arcane he could give ALL units inventories with the commanders abilities |
| 05:23.16 | rtschutter | this is interesting |
| 05:23.17 | SirPirate | but with hundreds of units this might cause performance issues |
| 05:23.21 | rtschutter | I have never used items before though |
| 05:23.51 | rtschutter | is there a way to just show the inventory for one unit different than the one you have selected? |
| 05:24.16 | rtschutter | also what happens when no units are selected |
| 05:24.17 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 05:24.27 | ArcanePariah|Sch | There are 4 kinds of items: Generic (they just are holders), Target, Instant and Ability (last one lets you bind abilities to them, they will use the holders mana/shiled,etc) |
| 05:25.49 | SirPirate | many magnificent things can be accomplished with the inventory/item system |
| 05:26.13 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 05:26.30 | rtschutter | I don't really want to learn the entire item system only to find out there is no way to keep them always on screen |
| 05:26.37 | SirPirate | right |
| 05:27.00 | SirPirate | the only way to do that, is to give every unit the inventory ability and give each a set of the owner's commander abilities as items |
| 05:27.20 | rtschutter | but what happens when he has no unit selecteed |
| 05:27.25 | rtschutter | then the items just go away |
| 05:27.45 | SirPirate | yes, unless you use triggers to select a hidden/dummy unit with an inventory for "no selection" |
| 05:28.04 | SirPirate | which would have to be set up with triggers |
| 05:29.48 | SirPirate | the same thing can be accomplished if you section off six command card buttons for commander abilities, use data to enable/disable them properly per player, and then xml layouts to make em look shiny in the UI |
| 05:30.33 | SirPirate | either way, it's going to be a bit of work |
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| 05:31.36 | rtschutter | yeah I doubt I have the time to do this work unfortunately |
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| 05:33.35 | SirPirate | @Arcane, do hotkeys register for lower 'priority' units in a mixed group selection (ex: marines and siege tanks and the stimpack hotkey) |
| 05:34.57 | ArcanePariah|Sch | What happens is that they do not register unless the unit can handle it, UNLESS the command is set to "Send to Selection" which then does cause the hotkey to be sent to all units in the group, whether the current selection can handle it or not. |
| 05:35.11 | SirPirate | hm |
| 05:35.20 | SirPirate | can we abuse this? |
| 05:35.33 | SirPirate | (with an permaselected hidden commander unit) |
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| 06:09.31 | IskatuMesk | I'll abuse you... |
| 06:13.26 | SirPirate | oh canada |
| 06:22.55 | SirPirate | would be stupid to claim that rogue star is the most technically advanced starcraft 2 mod :/ |
| 06:23.16 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I would put it at "debatable". |
| 06:23.27 | ArcanePariah|Sch | SCU does some pretty creative things, so does NOTD 1 and 2 |
| 06:23.31 | SirPirate | fair |
| 06:23.48 | SirPirate | *most technically advanced for a one man team |
| 06:24.26 | ArcanePariah|Sch | That would be mostly correct, if we exclude consultation, but even by that measure, NOTD 2 would compare, I'm the only coder on the project. |
| 06:24.35 | SirPirate | :P |
| 06:24.40 | ArcanePariah|Sch | But if we take the sum total of tech and design, probable |
| 06:24.47 | IskatuMesk | when I consider technically advanced things I don't consider things that are clones of other things personally |
| 06:24.58 | IskatuMesk | so only notd and rogue star in this consideration would I consider technically advanced |
| 06:25.19 | IskatuMesk | as to me, technical advancements are derived of creative design, and a mmo clone is not creative |
| 06:25.24 | SirPirate | all creative works are copy of other creative works |
| 06:25.35 | IskatuMesk | I do not believe that |
| 06:25.37 | IskatuMesk | and never have |
| 06:25.56 | SirPirate | the whole good borrow / great steal saying? |
| 06:26.03 | ArcanePariah|Sch | About to say, NOTD is a clone of a clone of a clone at this point, its been done and rehashed so many times. NOTD 1 does break from tradition in certain areas (tanking being viable, distinict story lines) |
| 06:26.31 | IskatuMesk | in terms of sc2, notd stands out to me at least in my perspective of being dynamic and adaptive, and through its component-oriented assets |
| 06:26.42 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Although NOTD is version 1 on SC2, you have NOTD AM and variants and UA3 and UA2 |
| 06:26.44 | IskatuMesk | the gameplay is not an aos or a castlefight clone or a TPS mmo clone |
| 06:26.50 | IskatuMesk | UA =? |
| 06:26.55 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Undead Assault |
| 06:27.03 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Similar game, same genre. |
| 06:27.06 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 06:27.23 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I'm curious, componenent oriented assets? |
| 06:27.26 | IskatuMesk | I have seen early variants that are comparable, but not enough to call it a carbon copy... yet |
| 06:27.37 | IskatuMesk | your vehicles and characters are component-oriented and it is custom built |
| 06:27.43 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Oh, NOTD 2 |
| 06:27.44 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yes |
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| 06:28.07 | ArcanePariah|Sch | NOTD 1 has... weird stuff, its all SC2 models, but we did some creative coloring and attachments and rescaling of stuff |
| 06:28.09 | IskatuMesk | my campaign is of course a carbon copy of generic melee because that's all it is, despite the bells and whistles |
| 06:28.33 | SirPirate | but we do love bells and whistles |
| 06:28.35 | IskatuMesk | though I have not often attempted majorly original projects |
| 06:28.49 | IskatuMesk | closest would be my fleet TC's of brood war yore, but even then, not really creative |
| 06:29.34 | IskatuMesk | generally, I have not found an original design I believe can be passable in actual gameplay, not within the restrictions of the games I've worked in |
| 06:30.08 | IskatuMesk | I much prefer writing as my medium for originality |
| 06:31.12 | IskatuMesk | I do like exploring the concepts of original game deployment, though. I just always hit brick walls with them. |
| 06:31.16 | IskatuMesk | Almost always related to AI, actually |
| 06:31.45 | IskatuMesk | such was the case with warcraft 3... I had maybe a dozen various projects I attempted that were all shot down by the computer AI being so bad, haha |
| 06:35.25 | rtschutter | ah man |
| 06:35.30 | rtschutter | I wish SC2Mapster wasn't so dead |
| 06:35.49 | IskatuMesk | why |
| 06:36.11 | rtschutter | people have posted tutorials and files but the links are broken |
| 06:36.38 | SirPirate | the links are fixable if you do some surgery on them >.< |
| 06:36.50 | SirPirate | holy jeebus I need the_skunk to come back so he can apply my css |
| 06:37.11 | IskatuMesk | ah... yes, the broken links everywhere |
| 06:37.18 | SirPirate | http://www.reddit.com/r/Supersc2modtest/ I copied a lot from r/starcraft, but it, shiny? |
| 06:37.20 | IskatuMesk | more about certain people being lazy |
| 06:37.49 | rtschutter | that is a nice looking reddit page |
| 06:38.00 | SirPirate | good job at composing sentences there, other pirate... |
| 06:42.02 | rtschutter | can you fix this link? http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/files/578/149/Dialog_Based_Asset_System__DBAS_.SC2Lib |
| 06:44.55 | TwoDie | something needs to be changed in media and files locations |
| 06:47.50 | SirPirate | oh, I was talking about forum links. Im not sure thats recoverable |
| 07:10.29 | TwoDie | it is |
| 07:10.55 | TwoDie | somewhere had recieved what correct words should be used to get that file |
| 07:11.08 | TwoDie | *on forums |
| 07:49.26 | rtschutter | is it possible to make a unit un-deselectable, but still allow the player to select/deselect other units? |
| 07:50.20 | TwoDie | well it may require for tirggers to be involved |
| 07:50.40 | TwoDie | and refreshing unit selection for player to select that specific unit |
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| 07:59.31 | SirPirate | it will require triggers to fire whenever a unit is selected/deselecter per player to reselect your commander unit |
| 07:59.42 | SirPirate | entirely possible |
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| 13:49.19 | Rommper | hello |
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| 14:23.43 | Zolden | high |
| 14:24.31 | Rommper | hi |
| 14:27.45 | Goa_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZq2H1Y4n-M |
| 14:28.33 | Zolden | :/ |
| 14:38.51 | TwoDie | :[ |
| 14:40.01 | Zolden | twod! |
| 14:40.13 | Zolden | tried to code something in unity tecently? |
| 14:41.23 | TwoDie | checked a bit those exmaple games for unity.. is dead thing in making any progress |
| 14:41.35 | TwoDie | now looking into how to fix this table |
| 14:41.42 | TwoDie | lift monitor. |
| 14:41.55 | TwoDie | and all its dumb curves |
| 14:43.46 | TwoDie | Zold what you doing meanwhiel? |
| 14:45.19 | Zolden | i'm coding my game, almost done |
| 14:45.40 | TwoDie | still taht space invadors one? |
| 14:46.25 | Zolden | the new one this time |
| 14:47.00 | TwoDie | what its about? |
| 14:47.30 | Ahli | 2048 and tetris |
| 14:48.13 | Zolden | 2048 and tetris |
| 14:48.14 | Zolden | hybrid |
| 14:48.26 | TwoDie | 1 and 3? |
| 14:49.21 | Zolden | what 1 and 3? |
| 14:50.18 | Zolden | http://imgur.com/1rJIc38 |
| 14:50.45 | Zolden | photo'd my bridge to food |
| 14:52.31 | Zolden | have to force the river by that, because it's a shortest way to groceries |
| 14:53.48 | Zolden | wanted to find a screen of my game fir twod, but found only that |
| 15:01.00 | TwoDie | wow and it seems like tens of people walk over that everyday as that dirt in the distance and lack of paint on tube |
| 15:02.49 | Zolden | yea, normal bridge is in about a kilometer |
| 15:04.50 | TwoDie | and since im lazy i would better just risk my life.. like that time I was crossing river on beavers that took down close by trees.. |
| 15:06.37 | Zolden | beavers and trees must be switched |
| 15:09.06 | TwoDie | NO |
| 15:09.36 | Zolden | no must be inverted to yes |
| 15:09.58 | TwoDie | THERE WHERE BEAVERS LAYING AROUND THAT I WALKED ON!! AND TREES WHERE WATCHING ME DOING SO WHILE THOSE BEAVERS RISE FROM DEEPS OF RIVERS AS ROCKS FOR ME TO WALK ON!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:11.16 | Zolden | a guy died after beaver bit him, i heard |
| 15:11.32 | Zolden | so u're brave |
| 15:16.20 | TwoDie | im CAPS LOCK!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:16.28 | TwoDie | jk. shift ftw |
| 15:17.42 | Zolden | caps is cheap, shift rapes |
| 15:17.57 | Zolden | PENIS |
| 15:58.20 | TwoDie | pron http://imgur.com/DouqxvB |
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| 16:08.03 | Rommper | hi |
| 16:11.28 | Rommper | what should i set in a unit so it has only one enabled autocast spell at the same time |
| 16:11.48 | Rommper | so if i enable one the other automaticaly disable the autocast |
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| 17:16.42 | IskatuMesk | hue |
| 17:24.22 | TwoDie | huy |
| 17:25.24 | Rommper | hi |
| 17:34.39 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 17:36.03 | TwoDie | qeqw |
| 17:36.04 | TwoDie | qweqwe |
| 17:36.06 | TwoDie | 156465464 |
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| 17:42.19 | Rommper | so no one know the anser? |
| 17:50.57 | TwoDie | look into validators that may somehow do something to abilities and auto cast |
| 17:51.09 | TwoDie | doublt that requirements would do something about it |
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| 17:52.38 | Zolden | Merc how's ur map? |
| 17:56.56 | TwoDie | https://i.imgur.com/5CSrseg.gif |
| 17:58.37 | Rommper | hi Zolden, don't you know how can i make that only one autocast is active at the same time |
| 17:59.14 | Rommper | so if a unit has more than one when i able one the others are disabled automatical |
| 17:59.27 | Rommper | +y* |
| 18:00.17 | Zolden | dunno |
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| 18:09.38 | Rommper | so its not easy stuff :( |
| 18:09.44 | Rommper | why blizzard why |
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| 18:59.34 | Zolden | no, twodie, that gif didnt load, even though i waited an hour |
| 19:04.54 | TwoDie | too terroristful image for your country citizens |
| 19:07.24 | Zolden | was there something fun for you at summer twodie? |
| 19:08.48 | TwoDie | it was kinda dead to me this one. |
| 19:09.21 | TwoDie | been less active than pervious. |
| 19:10.32 | TwoDie | feels like im doing much less and making anything more meaningful than before.. and it was quite shit.. so the weight of crap this time is way larger.. |
| 19:13.50 | Zolden | cool |
| 19:13.50 | TwoDie | not much heard from you either zold.. previous one at least heard your biking now seems like you gone to unity to be forever alone in that one corner |
| 19:15.19 | Zolden | most of summer i spent on даÑа, doing unity and some literature |
| 19:15.52 | Zolden | it was fun, but summer feels went too fast |
| 19:15.55 | Merc | still no map to talk about Zolden :p |
| 19:16.32 | Zolden | Merc is there progress to talk about? |
| 19:16.46 | Merc | been slow this summer |
| 19:16.54 | Merc | made a few units, thats all |
| 19:17.07 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/iyv7FWl.png |
| 19:17.08 | TwoDie | this summer is shit - confirmed |
| 19:17.11 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/ZgmvzVA.png |
| 19:17.15 | Zolden | 100 models done? |
| 19:17.18 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/ACszWkX.jpg |
| 19:17.23 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/OE2Bhnu.png |
| 19:17.29 | Merc | dunno how many you've seen |
| 19:17.51 | Zolden | summer itself was ok, mostly warm |
| 19:18.40 | Zolden | i only can open one image in three-five minutes |
| 19:18.52 | Merc | still shitty internet? |
| 19:19.03 | Merc | still at the bus stop? :d |
| 19:19.27 | Zolden | yea, weather is too good to go back to city |
| 19:19.44 | Zolden | bus stop internet is great |
| 19:19.46 | Merc | how long have you been there now? |
| 19:20.03 | Zolden | now i use mobile internet |
| 19:20.14 | Zolden | almost 4 months |
| 19:21.27 | Merc | sounds awesome |
| 19:21.45 | Zolden | hmm, 5 minutes is too optimistic |
| 19:22.34 | Zolden | weather is so good, so even mushrooms arent growing much in forests |
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| 19:23.41 | Zolden | fuck |
| 19:24.00 | Zolden | normals are awefully fucked |
| 19:24.02 | Zolden | ew |
| 19:24.24 | Zolden | that golden bearded angel with tiny wings |
| 19:24.32 | Merc | :D |
| 19:25.06 | Merc | they'll be tiny anyway, noone will know |
| 19:25.10 | Zolden | brighter parts of meshes are in the same direction as shadow |
| 19:25.34 | Zolden | all will know and vomit by eyes |
| 19:25.47 | Merc | maybe I should invert the normal texture? |
| 19:26.18 | TwoDie | well idk about those mushrooms.. all neighbours and buses filled with people with buckets of mushrooms gathered.. |
| 19:27.12 | Merc | also, for some reason I cant export human female models from wowmodelviewer |
| 19:27.22 | Merc | keeps crashing on me |
| 19:27.25 | Zolden | yea, i saw the same, ppl carrying tons, but i cant find any... last year there were alot |
| 19:27.37 | IskatuMesk | use winmpq |
| 19:28.51 | IskatuMesk | it seems you are missing normals |
| 19:30.16 | Zolden | ok, time to go photoshop some help screen |
| 19:34.29 | Rommper | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/10702999_776651179042999_1981613744_o.jpg?oh=44fc295039ccda3acf762e51edab8121&oe=5418EA2C&__gda__=1410979836_55a064678438fcd44a14499a59228290 |
| 19:35.50 | greybeard | shiny ghouls |
| 19:39.06 | ArcanePariah | good morning. |
| 19:39.25 | Rommper | good night :) |
| 19:39.36 | ArcanePariah | Romper, I got the transport finally working. At least the unload part. The load I'll do tomorrow probably |
| 19:39.56 | Rommper | nice! |
| 19:40.02 | Rommper | thank you |
| 19:40.26 | ArcanePariah | Your welcome |
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| 20:17.35 | ArcanePariah | Welcome back matey, you remember the rum? |
| 20:27.00 | greybeard | no, today we fill ourselves with caffienes |
| 20:27.08 | greybeard | there are applications to write and edit |
| 20:27.13 | ArcanePariah | Sounds like a plan |
| 20:27.20 | ArcanePariah | Job applications? |
| 20:30.23 | greybeard | aye |
| 20:55.48 | rtschutter | yo |
| 20:55.50 | rtschutter | Arcane |
| 20:55.55 | rtschutter | I got an answer about 'Handles' |
| 20:56.13 | rtschutter | "Handles are only used by our automated testing process. Essentially we have test machines that use those handles to interact with the UI so the machine can do something like play the campaign and report if there are any problems. |
| 20:56.14 | rtschutter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.14 | rtschutter | It doesnt do anything useful for modders or even the rest of the UI team. |
| 20:56.17 | rtschutter | " |
| 20:56.54 | rtschutter | so nothing for us there |
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| 21:18.48 | Zolden | Goa_ random generator is such a troll http://imgur.com/dPNgE9H |
| 21:18.52 | ArcanePariah | rtschutter, that sucks, but useful to know |
| 21:19.28 | Zolden | how am i supposed to merge yellow and green shit |
| 21:20.04 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, what is that, a puzzle? |
| 21:20.47 | Zolden | yea, my new unity game |
| 21:21.18 | ArcanePariah | Oh a tetris version of that number game of sliding things around to combine numbers? |
| 21:21.31 | Zolden | exactly |
| 21:22.01 | ArcanePariah | Nice, interesting twist, so no time, but more puzzle, 2d tetris :D |
| 21:22.22 | Zolden | requires way more calculations to not lose |
| 21:22.27 | ArcanePariah | And yes, your RNG is an evil bastard in that case. |
| 21:23.08 | Zolden | :) |
| 21:41.26 | greybeard | can you get someones battle tag # from their bnet account page in sc2? |
| 21:43.34 | ArcanePariah | To my knowledge, no |
| 22:53.55 | Earths-Fury | MICROSOFT BOUGHT MOJANG |
| 22:55.45 | rtschutter | hmm okay |
| 22:55.45 | IskatuMesk | k |
| 22:55.49 | rtschutter | so playing with the inventory system |
| 22:56.16 | rtschutter | it seems it only shows the inventory for the unit which has priority within the current unit selection |
| 22:56.31 | rtschutter | anyone know of a way to just show the inventory for a specific unit no matter what unit is selected? |
| 23:11.38 | ArcanePariah | rtschutter, I do not think so :( |
| 23:12.35 | ArcanePariah | I think I understand what you are trying to do and yeah, I'm not sure it can be done easily without having a hidden commander unit of sorts being selected at all times. |
| 23:13.01 | ArcanePariah | Because what you want sounds a lot like the global abilties of the Dark Eldar from DoW Soulstorm |
| 23:15.30 | rtschutter | yeah I have him selected all the time now but |
| 23:15.38 | rtschutter | if other units are selected they can take priority |
| 23:15.43 | rtschutter | (which I need them to be able to do) |
| 23:15.47 | rtschutter | and then his inventory gets hidden |
| 23:15.55 | rtschutter | but just giving the same inventory to every unit seems to work |
| 23:16.18 | rtschutter | new question: |
| 23:16.27 | rtschutter | how do I get rid of the green circle under a unit when they are selected? |
| 23:17.26 | ArcanePariah | Do you want a global solution that applies to all units or a solution only for certain units? |
| 23:17.46 | rtschutter | only for specific units |
| 23:17.54 | rtschutter | the ability to change the 'look' of the green circle would be great too |
| 23:18.28 | rtschutter | I assume it has a texture somewhere and an actor is telling it what color to be somewhere |
| 23:18.47 | ArcanePariah | Ok, the selection circle is just a specific kind of actor, the default unit actor includes messages to create and destroy it. |
| 23:19.03 | rtschutter | what is it called? |
| 23:19.48 | ArcanePariah | Selection is the type of actor, the one created is PreSelection (for when the mouse hovers over the unit) and Local Selection (for when the unit is actually selected) |
| 23:20.04 | rtschutter | okay thanks |
| 23:20.22 | ArcanePariah | There is a fair number of selection actors for a variety of situations, include for in the editor it self |
| 23:20.45 | ArcanePariah | AS a fun side note, actors control EVERYTHING visual, including visuals in the editor (terrain) itself |
| 23:21.25 | ArcanePariah | So you can completely alter how an actor behaves and appears within the editor vs in game, which can be useful, since you could include text actors with hints straight on the model for placement, that will not show up in game. |
| 23:22.01 | ArcanePariah | All the stuff placed on the terrain in editor has an actor, like the points (model actors), regions (splat actors), etc. |
| 23:23.07 | rtschutter | lol well shit |
| 23:23.12 | rtschutter | I deleted every actor event in this actor |
| 23:23.18 | rtschutter | that seemed related to selection |
| 23:23.22 | rtschutter | and the green circle is still there |
| 23:24.10 | ArcanePariah | The unit actor? |
| 23:24.15 | rtschutter | yes |
| 23:24.15 | ArcanePariah | or the selection actor? |
| 23:24.20 | rtschutter | unit actor |
| 23:24.22 | ArcanePariah | Interesting |
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| 23:25.48 | rtschutter | maybe if I create a new actor from scratch |
| 23:26.48 | rtschutter | the selection actually seems related to the model |
| 23:28.22 | ArcanePariah | Oh, the selection actor is created by itself, the GroundLocalSelection one specifically, it catches when you select a unit (SelectionLocalUpdate message) and creates itself. |
| 23:28.39 | rtschutter | so how do I get rid of it |
| 23:28.58 | ArcanePariah | What you could do, since you know the name of the actor, is add an event to the unit actor to destroy the selection actor on the unit actor creation |
| 23:29.43 | ArcanePariah | You would have an event of Actor Creation -> Send Destroy, and set the target to the name of the Selection Actor (which in this case is GroundLocalSelection) |
| 23:30.08 | rtschutter | lets try it |
| 23:30.45 | rtschutter | I was considering a validator on the groundlocalselection actor to check what unit was being selected before it creates itself |
| 23:31.00 | ArcanePariah | That could work too, using the Actor Terms |
| 23:31.16 | ArcanePariah | And have a combine validator, that checks for the relevant unit types |
| 23:31.30 | ArcanePariah | Are your familiar with Actor Terms? |
| 23:32.09 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 23:32.25 | rtschutter | creating new validators not so much |
| 23:32.32 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 23:32.53 | rtschutter | trying to destroy the groundlocalselection actor via the unit actor is not working for me |
| 23:33.29 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 23:35.13 | IskatuMesk | I am going to butter your pancake batter |
| 23:35.20 | ArcanePariah | Oops, that's right, you need to destroy it on Actor Creation of the GroundLocalSelection actor, not the unit Actor. So let me try something... |
| 23:36.24 | ArcanePariah | So may need to do an event based on the unit being selected, so instead of ACtor Creation, Selection Local Update |
| 23:40.13 | IskatuMesk | I am very curious how well sc2 can handle complex multi-turret units |
| 23:40.25 | IskatuMesk | like, say, 30 turrets on a ship |
| 23:41.29 | IskatuMesk | if jade can figure out the AI that may be one of the first things I attempt |
| 23:41.43 | IskatuMesk | will also be interesting to see if one can make the AI not retarded with it |
| 23:42.50 | IskatuMesk | then that would pave way to the remodeling of all the terran ships |
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| 23:43.42 | IskatuMesk | Disconnectmus |
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| 23:45.20 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Sigh... IRC decides to derp |
| 23:45.32 | ArcanePariah|Sch | rtschutter, did you get my paste? |
| 23:50.04 | Bounty | peow |
