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| 01:39.24 | rtschutter | is there a way to pull a trigger name by combining strings or something? |
| 02:04.05 | ArcanePariah | rtschutter, yes, you can get trigger name directly. There us a function that will return the trigger script name. Do you need the visual name? |
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| 02:04.16 | rtschutter | I found the script name |
| 02:04.21 | rtschutter | but lets say I have |
| 02:04.24 | rtschutter | 5 triggers |
| 02:04.42 | rtschutter | named Trigger 01, Trigger 02, Trigger 03 etc |
| 02:04.59 | rtschutter | how can I add the number at the end of the trigger name as a variable using custom script? |
| 02:05.05 | rtschutter | I dont know how to use script at all really |
| 02:05.36 | ArcanePariah | You would use combine strings, and convert integer to string |
| 02:05.46 | rtschutter | but |
| 02:05.51 | rtschutter | I dont know how to do that using script |
| 02:05.56 | rtschutter | that is easy to do elsewhere |
| 02:06.02 | rtschutter | but I dont know how to do it using script |
| 02:07.24 | rtschutter | if there was a trigger from string option |
| 02:07.28 | rtschutter | it would be easy |
| 02:07.31 | rtschutter | but I dont see one |
| 02:07.34 | ArcanePariah | Simplest way would be to create an action with the function you are using, compile it, then look at the script with view script and see what the function name is, copy paste that into you custom script as needed. |
| 02:07.38 | ArcanePariah | Ok, what is the goal here? |
| 02:07.52 | ArcanePariah | Run a trigger, using a provided integer to differentiate among them? |
| 02:08.00 | rtschutter | sure yeah |
| 02:08.11 | rtschutter | that is the basics of it |
| 02:08.28 | rtschutter | I have triggers for specific players and I want to organize them and manipulate them automatically based on player id |
| 02:12.42 | ArcanePariah | Well, you could create variable arrays and store the triggers in there. You can create variables of type trigger |
| 02:12.49 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 02:12.53 | rtschutter | that is exactly what I am trying to do |
| 02:13.07 | rtschutter | but I want to insert them into the array automatically |
| 02:13.28 | ArcanePariah | define automatically? you mean without having to assign them yourself? |
| 02:13.54 | rtschutter | I want to run a function that for each player in the game adds his triggers to the variable array automatically |
| 02:14.19 | rtschutter | so I do not have to add 100 triggers which will inevitably change |
| 02:15.14 | rtschutter | so much work just to detect player mouse clicks...goddamn I wish they had created a better system |
| 02:15.31 | rtschutter | I do not understand why abilities are tied to units |
| 02:15.56 | rtschutter | why did it not occur to anyone that people might want to have abilities that are not tied to units |
| 02:16.04 | IskatuMesk | Living Metal II - The Steel Dragon gains 1 armor per second it is not out of combat to a maximum of 30. It loses 1 armor stack per every 50 damage it sustains in combat (accounting for the DR, so max stacks tends to be difficult to break). The out of combat cycle starts after 3 seconds of not being in combat. |
| 02:16.07 | IskatuMesk | a request for you, arc |
| 02:16.16 | IskatuMesk | pending our discussion some time prior |
| 02:16.37 | IskatuMesk | (in regards to your learning map) |
| 02:16.39 | ArcanePariah | Synchronized game state, and umm, if you want something that is not tied to a unit, use an effect directly from triggers? |
| 02:17.04 | ArcanePariah | Plus I think they assumed people would readily create dummy invisible units |
| 02:17.18 | rtschutter | the first thing |
| 02:17.22 | rtschutter | is exactly what I am trying to do |
| 02:17.24 | rtschutter | but to use the ability |
| 02:17.29 | rtschutter | I need to see where they clicked on the map |
| 02:17.34 | rtschutter | but I cannot just leave that on all the time |
| 02:17.40 | rtschutter | because it is laggy as hell |
| 02:17.56 | rtschutter | so I have to create a system of triggers that detect player mouse clicks only when I want them to |
| 02:18.01 | rtschutter | dummy units work great |
| 02:18.06 | rtschutter | for example, StarJeweled |
| 02:18.15 | rtschutter | ...if you can have the unit selected all the time |
| 02:18.20 | rtschutter | which I cannot do |
| 02:18.55 | ArcanePariah | My question to you is thus: Why does it need to be an ability? |
| 02:19.12 | rtschutter | I dont even understand that question really |
| 02:19.20 | rtschutter | it is not an ability in the traditional sense |
| 02:19.24 | rtschutter | it is done entirely through triggers |
| 02:19.30 | rtschutter | because the ability system is tied to units |
| 02:19.51 | ArcanePariah | You want something to happen at a point, so you want to detect a mouse click and execute an effect at that point, correct? |
| 02:20.04 | ArcanePariah | And it is too laggy to work correctly? |
| 02:20.06 | rtschutter | I want the player to be able to click a button or press a hotkey |
| 02:20.18 | rtschutter | and then select a spot on the map and have something happen there based on the button they pressed |
| 02:20.36 | rtschutter | using abilities is ideal because then the mouse click detection is built in |
| 02:20.50 | rtschutter | because I cannot use abilities I have to build my own system for detecting mouse clicks |
| 02:21.26 | ArcanePariah | So Button Pressed - > Triger with switch, store effect to be used. Mouse click -> Execute stored effect at trigger location? |
| 02:21.51 | rtschutter | basically |
| 02:21.58 | rtschutter | but I cannot have the mouse click triggers running all the time |
| 02:22.06 | rtschutter | so I need to enable/disable them as necessary |
| 02:22.24 | rtschutter | and I need separate ones for each player |
| 02:22.28 | ArcanePariah | True, you would need to enable it after the first (button/hotkey trigger runs). |
| 02:22.31 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, I see |
| 02:22.38 | rtschutter | yes this is exactly what I am doing |
| 02:22.50 | rtschutter | but I want to create a system that easily manages all of these triggers for me in the future |
| 02:22.58 | ArcanePariah | You wish to paralellize it to minimumize the lag impact of the key press event |
| 02:23.14 | rtschutter | it will only detect the clicks when it is waiting for one |
| 02:23.16 | rtschutter | rather than all the time |
| 02:23.31 | rtschutter | really I should just find a way to use abilities |
| 02:23.34 | rtschutter | and the dummy units |
| 02:23.38 | rtschutter | but jesus christ the data editor |
| 02:24.38 | ArcanePariah | I would say, using dummy units, have button pressed -> create dummy unit on the fly and select it for casting the ability -> kill it after casting is complete. |
| 02:24.57 | rtschutter | that is an interesting idea |
| 02:25.03 | rtschutter | I had not considered that option at all |
| 02:25.11 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 02:25.15 | rtschutter | I was just thinking of a dummy unit that is always on the field somewhere |
| 02:25.58 | ArcanePariah | Nah, run trigger 1, create unit, store it, forcibly order it to use the ability after forcing its selection (thereby auto putting it into targeting mode) |
| 02:26.03 | rtschutter | I really dont like it when maps have buildings you select to use all your abilities/summon new units |
| 02:26.08 | rtschutter | I want to create an actual UI |
| 02:26.46 | rtschutter | so after I do that I can just restore the unit selection the player had before he used the ability |
| 02:26.50 | rtschutter | I like this plan |
| 02:26.52 | rtschutter | I will work on it |
| 02:27.13 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I have similar concerns when using upgrades, I want to have a customized UI to do upgrades or learns. Thankfully, Blizzard seems to have taken note of this, in me and JademusSreg digging of the Storm files, Command cards will become another dialog item to be manipulated |
| 02:27.23 | rtschutter | I am trying to create a company of heroes style RTS where you have innate commander abilities outside of your units |
| 02:27.34 | ArcanePariah | And yes, there is a function specifically to store current unit selection and restore it |
| 02:27.39 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 02:27.43 | rtschutter | when I was there |
| 02:27.50 | rtschutter | I got them to add a lot of new UI options for modders |
| 02:28.07 | rtschutter | nothing that big |
| 02:28.12 | rtschutter | but lots of little things that should help |
| 02:28.16 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, thank you. By any chance, could you elucidate what Handle does? |
| 02:28.28 | rtschutter | lol no idea what that is |
| 02:28.51 | rtschutter | can you be more specific?> |
| 02:28.57 | rtschutter | we can always ask them |
| 02:29.00 | ArcanePariah | Me and JademusSreg have noted it in the UI files, but we can not determine what its purpose is. The only conclusion we could draw is that it is a way to directly access the UI element without using hookups in an iterative fashion |
| 02:29.06 | ArcanePariah | Its a field in the UI XML |
| 02:29.15 | rtschutter | is this for Heroes or SC2? |
| 02:29.19 | ArcanePariah | Both |
| 02:29.40 | rtschutter | I can ask someone who almost certainly knows |
| 02:29.50 | rtschutter | if you want to write out the question exactly as you want me to ask him |
| 02:29.55 | ArcanePariah | That would be appreciated :) |
| 02:29.58 | ArcanePariah | Ok, one moment |
| 02:30.04 | rtschutter | I will email him right now and he will probably get back to me next week |
| 02:30.31 | rtschutter | we did add some alias stuff to UI for the new Logos.SC2Mod type |
| 02:30.42 | rtschutter | but I do not think it is the same thing |
| 02:30.56 | ArcanePariah | "What purpose is the Handle field value in the UI XML Frame type?" |
| 02:31.48 | ArcanePariah | This is an example of what i'm looking at. |
| 02:31.48 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/j9fws |
| 02:32.32 | rtschutter | it definitely appears to be some kind of reference |
| 02:32.50 | ArcanePariah | Yes, and it was used for HotS quite a bit, a number of panels have it. |
| 02:32.53 | rtschutter | I will ask him, there is a chance he will say that he cannot give us more information yet though |
| 02:33.00 | ArcanePariah | Fair enough. |
| 02:33.07 | rtschutter | I hope it isn't something I learned about while I was there and just forgot |
| 02:33.10 | rtschutter | or this will be embarassing |
| 02:33.28 | ArcanePariah | Haha, nah, we all forget stuff, and there is too much to learn. |
| 02:34.40 | ArcanePariah | But yes, it is almost certainly a reference, I find it only in frames that one usually interacts with. For example, int he Swarm campaign, I find it present in all the controls of the Egg Room |
| 02:35.02 | ArcanePariah | The frame itself has one. And the 2 buttons in the frame have handles, but not other frames. |
| 02:35.40 | ArcanePariah | Which sugguests it was a more expedient way to do hookups. Since otherwise, one would have to create the base frame from template, hook it up, store it, then do a hookup of the button from the stored frame. |
| 02:35.56 | ArcanePariah | Which can get tedious fast (Had to do quite a bit for NOTD 2 this way) |
| 02:38.24 | rtschutter | okay sent the email |
| 02:38.38 | rtschutter | he will probably get back to me on Monday |
| 02:39.16 | rtschutter | I miss being able to just walk to someones desk whenever I had a question and get the answer from literally the best possible person in the world for answering that question |
| 02:39.18 | rtschutter | it was nice |
| 02:39.26 | ArcanePariah | Mhmm |
| 02:39.39 | rtschutter | now I am back at home and struggling my way around the editor again |
| 02:42.38 | ArcanePariah | Well, hopefully they push out 2.1.4 and then get 2.2 out the door this year |
| 02:45.26 | rtschutter | yeah we'll see |
| 02:46.36 | rtschutter | I am really curious how they are going to handle Heroes with the sc2editor |
| 02:47.19 | ArcanePariah | Well, they have done quite a bit of changes, so hopefully they combine the editors, but I have a weird feeling they won't since certain stuff in SC2 editor has no application in storm, and some of the editor stuff in Storm, may be Storm only. |
| 02:47.33 | ArcanePariah | But I do see a fair bit of things added and combined to both, documentation being one of them. |
| 02:48.28 | rtschutter | hopefully they just make it one big thing |
| 02:48.47 | rtschutter | but I dont know how they can do that when heroes has microtransactions for heroes and skins and such |
| 02:49.36 | rtschutter | but we can hope |
| 02:49.47 | rtschutter | they definitely have smart people who can figure that shit out |
| 02:51.51 | rtschutter | ugh |
| 02:52.00 | rtschutter | I am losing my willpower to work on this project |
| 02:52.34 | ArcanePariah | Taking a break will help :D |
| 02:52.39 | ArcanePariah | What I do for my project. |
| 02:52.44 | rtschutter | lol I only just got started! |
| 02:52.50 | ArcanePariah | Learned something new right now about behaviors :D |
| 02:52.51 | rtschutter | I am only like 10 hours into this thing |
| 02:53.14 | rtschutter | normally I can just spend days and days and days working in the editor straight through only stopping to eat or sleep |
| 02:53.27 | ArcanePariah | Namely, how damage response exhausted works, has some fun implications |
| 02:53.28 | rtschutter | but my motivation for this project is just not where I thought it would be when I was starting it |
| 02:54.06 | rtschutter | what is it |
| 02:54.52 | greybeard | mmm, motivation |
| 02:55.19 | ArcanePariah | You set the modify limit, and when the amount of damage that is modified reaches that limit, the exhausted effect runs. So for instance, if the modify limit is 20, and you set modify fraction to say 2 (so it will double the damage taken), the exhausted effect will only run if the damage is 20 (which will get doubled, so it will have added 20 damage, reaching the limit) |
| 02:55.34 | ArcanePariah | 20 or more* |
| 02:55.42 | rtschutter | interesting |
| 02:56.26 | ArcanePariah | Here's the fun part, it works BOTH ways, positive or negative. So I could definite a modify limit of -5, and a fraction of 0.5 (halve the damage) and thus the exhausted effect will only run if the damage taken is 10 or more |
| 02:56.54 | ArcanePariah | Since at 10 or more, the damage reduction will reduce it by 5 or more (-5 and so on) |
| 02:57.18 | ArcanePariah | So you can have effects run if damage is only boosted OR reduced by a certain value |
| 02:57.51 | ArcanePariah | Now, that's the simple examples, it can interesting to see it interact with max and min clamp, which also can adjust damage by wide values |
| 02:58.27 | ArcanePariah | I could have a max clamp of 10, with a modify limit of -20, which would always reduce the damage to 10, but run an extra effect if over 30 damage. |
| 02:58.56 | ArcanePariah | Also, the flag "Remove Exhausted Damage Response", sets the behavior to remove itself if the damage exhausted effect runs |
| 02:59.28 | ArcanePariah | So you could create conditional armors of sorts. Like have a behavior that reduces damage by 50% but only for 1 attack. |
| 02:59.57 | ArcanePariah | Or set thresholds, like, block 10 damage, but if you take over 50, it "breaks" it, and you lose it. |
| 03:01.39 | rtschutter | thats cool |
| 03:02.03 | rtschutter | lol I wish I was advanced enough with the data editor to use it |
| 03:02.14 | rtschutter | though I am getting there bit by bit |
| 03:03.44 | ArcanePariah | Yes, patience and experimentation (and random insights) are helpful :) |
| 03:04.19 | ArcanePariah | IskatuMesk, would it be valid to consider the unit out of combat if it has not taken damage within the allotted time frame? |
| 03:04.35 | ArcanePariah | Or should this consider it attacking and not being damaged in return? |
| 03:05.30 | ArcanePariah | Also, should the armor stacks fall off once the unit falls out of combat? |
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| 03:28.49 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 03:28.55 | IskatuMesk | the armor stacks up |
| 03:28.58 | IskatuMesk | out of combat |
| 03:29.00 | IskatuMesk | which would be... |
| 03:29.04 | IskatuMesk | not having taken damage |
| 03:29.30 | IskatuMesk | which is to say, you need to keep attacking it to keep the stacks down |
| 03:30.12 | IskatuMesk | hm |
| 03:30.17 | IskatuMesk | I worded that oddly |
| 03:30.35 | IskatuMesk | I wonder if my original intention was for it to generate in combat only |
| 03:31.20 | IskatuMesk | that would be odd |
| 03:31.36 | IskatuMesk | I think I intended for it to only regenerate when not being attacked, yeah |
| 03:31.47 | IskatuMesk | it seems I misworded some of the description |
| 03:37.03 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, kk |
| 03:37.12 | ArcanePariah | No matter. |
| 03:37.15 | ArcanePariah | easily changed :D |
| 03:37.21 | ArcanePariah | So out of combat only? |
| 03:38.57 | ArcanePariah | Also, how long should the damage taken be retained for removing stacks? |
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| 03:50.01 | Frinckles | Hi |
| 03:53.12 | ArcanePariah | Hello |
| 03:53.30 | Frinckles | Glad people are still alive on here. |
| 03:53.53 | Frinckles | How has the SC2 mapping community been for the past few months? Better? Worse? |
| 03:59.35 | ArcanePariah | I would say the same, but I can not say for certain. |
| 03:59.48 | ArcanePariah | I continue on my own project and help people when I can |
| 04:00.26 | ArcanePariah | SC2 mapping will always be a good hobby for me, a change in pace from normal programming. |
| 04:01.31 | Frinckles | Hmm. :) That's good. I was only asking because the last time on here, quite a few posts about "SC2 iz ded" etc, etc, were floating around. |
| 04:02.04 | ArcanePariah | We do get that from time to time. |
| 04:03.08 | Frinckles | I had a map that I was working on before, (a few months) and sort of wanted to finish it but I'm not sure if it's really worth it I suppose. |
| 04:03.17 | Frinckles | i was told it would be a massive undertaking. |
| 04:03.20 | ArcanePariah | SC2 Mapping will always be a niche thing, simply because of the changes in the market place and in technology. Today, we live in an age of too much entertainment, and an overabudnace of tools. What we lack is good people, which sadly I think SC2 crushed some people's dreams, because of its decent learning curve. |
| 04:04.10 | ArcanePariah | Well, depends, what purpose does it serve to work on it? I work on mine as a hobby, practice learning other computing paradigms, a social thing of sorts and to help others. However I am biased, I do not have to design anything, I'm just the coder on the project. |
| 04:04.26 | ArcanePariah | Also, most games ARE massive undertakings, no matter what tools you use. |
| 04:05.13 | ArcanePariah | Making games is easily in the top 3 of most wide and complex set of computer projects one can undertake (Other 2 would be writing an OS, and probably designining an AI). |
| 04:05.58 | Frinckles | Well, it's sort of something I wanted to create for myself. I've always wanted to see myself run around as a zerg, doing zerg things etc. But the feeling you get from seeing your idea beginning to come to life while at the same time being faced with more and more technical challanges is frustrating. |
| 04:07.38 | Frinckles | Plus it's an RPG so it's extra tedious. |
| 04:09.32 | Frinckles | I think I am going to get back into it though. |
| 04:19.11 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:22.11 | ArcanePariah | Fair point |
| 04:22.22 | ArcanePariah | But that will be the case with any long term project |
| 04:22.35 | Frinckles | Well, bad news. I think it's gone forever. |
| 04:22.52 | Frinckles | lol. It was on my old hdd that failed. I published it online but I think it's private. |
| 04:22.54 | ArcanePariah | :( |
| 04:23.06 | ArcanePariah | Private maps can still be used |
| 04:23.22 | Frinckles | I literally just played it online but I have no idea how to retrieve it |
| 04:23.28 | Frinckles | Unless I go to Blizzard or something |
| 04:23.30 | ArcanePariah | Although it would be tricky since the GUI code I don't think is saved. |
| 04:23.46 | ArcanePariah | But the actual trigger code + data is preserved and can be retrieved |
| 04:24.02 | IskatuMesk | uhh |
| 04:24.15 | IskatuMesk | for damage beiing retained.... hmm |
| 04:24.30 | IskatuMesk | say 3 seconds as well (presumably easy to change should balance be a concern) |
| 04:24.38 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 04:25.50 | Frinckles | Where should I start? |
| 04:26.33 | ArcanePariah | The map lies in your b.net cache. If you just played it, what you can do is wipe your cache, then play/dl it again, and look for any new files. |
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| 05:05.20 | IskatuMesk | arcanebutter |
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| 14:10.42 | Merc | bet you all missed me |
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| 14:28.55 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yoink |
| 14:28.58 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Good morning |
| 14:30.08 | Merc | good evening |
| 14:30.59 | Rommper | hello |
| 14:32.07 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hey Rommper |
| 14:32.14 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hey Merc, long time no see |
| 14:35.38 | Merc | yeah I've been offline a bit |
| 14:35.54 | Merc | fuse went out in the basement, server went down, couldnt be arsed to fix until today |
| 14:36.00 | Ahli | yay, I have internet again |
| 14:36.41 | Merc | made these rascals in the meanwhile: http://i.imgur.com/ZgmvzVA.png http://i.imgur.com/iyv7FWl.png |
| 14:37.26 | Merc | oh and this, but then I didnt find a way to change creep texture and put it off: http://i.imgur.com/ACszWkX.jpg |
| 14:38.06 | Merc | aand this: http://i.imgur.com/OE2Bhnu.png |
| 14:40.55 | Merc | still havent forced myself to learn enough data to start on actual unit abilities |
| 14:42.07 | Rommper | hmm |
| 14:42.14 | Rommper | how much do you know modeling? |
| 14:43.48 | Merc | I'm pretty awful |
| 14:43.55 | Merc | only know how to steal stuff |
| 14:46.56 | Rommper | i need to get modellers |
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| 16:53.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:54.31 | TwoDie | =( |
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| 17:25.26 | Cumberdale | In my shoes my toe's are busted, My kitchen says my bread is molded, I got a good job at the dollar store |
| 17:26.56 | Cumberdale | Some people say, that jademusSreg is a robot with like 3 arms, and 6 feet... only 2 legs though |
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| 17:43.36 | Cumberdale | Whats with the no boxes |
| 17:50.12 | JademusSreg | Taint. =D |
| 17:51.09 | IskatuMesk | crundle |
| 18:10.15 | Cumberdale | HOW DID YOU KNOW! |
| 18:10.41 | Cumberdale | JademusSreg Truely is a supercomputer capable of predicting the future... Quick what did I have for breakfeast! |
| 18:11.01 | JademusSreg | Something gross. |
| 18:11.10 | Cumberdale | Nothing is pretty gross.... |
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| 18:11.44 | Cumberdale | sooo I forgot to eat for like 48 hours the other day and nearly passed out at work while walking alongside the freeway to feel up gas |
| 18:11.50 | Cumberdale | fill* |
| 18:12.02 | Cumberdale | Twas fun |
| 18:12.12 | Cumberdale | Zolden Why do you love men? |
| 18:12.23 | Zolden | cool story bro |
| 18:12.27 | Obscene | lo |
| 18:12.38 | Obscene | I'm voting for putin next election |
| 18:12.45 | Obscene | Putin is the only man for me... |
| 18:13.22 | Obscene | So what you been up to zolden? |
| 18:13.39 | Zolden | I'm jerking on putin next erection |
| 18:14.03 | Rommper | haha |
| 18:14.07 | Zolden | I shifted to unity |
| 18:15.09 | Zolden | if u have android device, u can try my unity game |
| 18:15.33 | Obscene | I have one... but it's running android 2.2.3 lol |
| 18:16.24 | Zolden | guess its ok by os version, but opd device may not run it |
| 18:16.35 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:16.43 | Obscene | whats your program do? |
| 18:16.50 | Zolden | so no cool game for ya |
| 18:16.57 | Zolden | its shmup |
| 18:17.09 | Obscene | You should make one that detects the melodic tunes in the music so It can run a smoother shuffle thing |
| 18:17.12 | Zolden | pew in space |
| 18:17.45 | Zolden | i make games, not gay apps |
| 18:18.23 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:18.32 | Zolden | fucking north wind just removed summer during one night |
| 18:19.32 | Zolden | i used to walk naked, swim in river, now im just freezing with all kinds of clothes on me |
| 18:19.49 | Obscene | Sounds like for the good of all people |
| 18:19.52 | Zolden | gay |
| 18:20.22 | Zolden | and how are you doing? found black friends? |
| 18:20.39 | Obscene | Not really |
| 18:21.34 | Zolden | i was banned on freenode server today btw |
| 18:21.44 | Zolden | had to mail support |
| 18:22.30 | Zolden | also fell from a stairway and almost broke arm |
| 18:22.56 | Zolden | it's hard to live under dictatorship... |
| 18:23.10 | Zolden | for how long!? |
| 18:23.29 | Zolden | so get black friends while u can |
| 18:26.57 | Goa | Zolden Best movie since Donnie Darko http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/11024070/Coherence_%282013%29_1080p_BrRip_x264_-_YIFY |
| 18:28.19 | Zolden | i'll dl when back home, ty |
| 18:28.40 | Goa | which local Putin puppet you voted for?:) Does ballots have more than 1 choice?:) |
| 18:29.26 | Zolden | i'm not in moscow to vote |
| 18:29.42 | Zolden | also, not following |
| 18:30.22 | Zolden | i'd vote for a jew, theres a jew in the list |
| 18:30.48 | Goa | ehh, how so? they are commies to make up for that?:D |
| 18:32.01 | Zolden | my cat liquidly shitted, had it on its paw, then came to me and stepped on laptop, left shit print |
| 18:33.15 | Zolden | jews commies? only carl marks, but he died an not sure was a jew |
| 18:34.13 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:35.20 | Zolden | my puzzle is perfect now btw, like mozart composition |
| 18:35.53 | Zolden | i've been making a puzzle obscene |
| 18:36.07 | Zolden | u know 2048? |
| 18:36.11 | Obscene | loyeah |
| 18:37.21 | Zolden | my puzzle is a hybrid of ir and tetris. very fun. 2048 feels stupid nonsense after my game |
| 18:38.40 | Zolden | ok, time to eat and back to finishing that game, cya |
| 18:39.44 | TwoDie | so fucking boring |
| 18:41.04 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:43.04 | Goa | TwoDie that was positive comment from you, if we take your average :) |
| 18:43.30 | TwoDie | right |
| 18:43.56 | TwoDie | will may require to go to sleep from all this boredom 1-2 hours earlier |
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| 19:11.41 | Ahli | won a tourney game, woo |
| 19:12.27 | Goa | ? |
| 19:19.05 | IskatuMesk | ahli is a pro warcraft 2 player |
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| 19:24.07 | IskatuMesk | however, his next opponent is zolden's cat, and the predictions are grim |
| 19:24.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Ahahaha |
| 19:24.19 | IskatuMesk | the scat weaver is known to be without mercy |
| 19:27.06 | Obscene | I think you are all lame! |
| 19:48.05 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Oy JademusSreg |
| 19:48.13 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Got a tricky question for you |
| 19:52.05 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:53.07 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I have an effect that unloads units and teleports them. I'm doing an issue order effect to do the unload, then a search effect, followed by a teleport. The trick is how do I restrict the search to units just unloaded? I'm guessing I need to use a validator and check either markers or use the unload behavior of the transport ability. |
| 19:53.34 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I was hoping to use markers somehow |
| 19:54.20 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 19:55.56 | JademusSreg | Thought we had this covered before with a persistent, iterate cargo, teleport. |
| 19:56.05 | IskatuMesk | hm... I wonder if delphinium's mod update ever got accepted yet |
| 19:56.46 | ArcanePariah|Sch | That did not work out |
| 19:57.01 | IskatuMesk | seems so |
| 19:57.34 | JademusSreg | After teleporting, would probably need to disable Hidden. |
| 19:58.07 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Ahh, that explains why shit disappeared but was still there. |
| 19:58.14 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:58.15 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And how would one disable it |
| 19:58.32 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Since by doing direct teleport, it would cause things to stay hidden |
| 19:59.03 | Goa | JademusSreg you must watch this film, I wont spoiler only that it starts bit boring....: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/11024070/Coherence_%282013%29_1080p_BrRip_x264_-_YIFY |
| 20:00.23 | JademusSreg | I recall there are ways to disable it directly, via trigger unit state Hidden false, via data, hm... |
| 20:01.00 | IskatuMesk | secret jademus |
| 20:03.44 | JademusSreg | There ought to be means to disable via data, perhaps the Modify Unit effect has something? |
| 20:04.24 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hmm.. maybe, don't see anything though, and the behavior from the transport did the trick nonetheless |
| 20:05.16 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Since you are here IskatuMesk, I think I have your armor done |
| 20:05.24 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 20:05.26 | IskatuMesk | that was quick |
| 20:07.29 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I need to add a clearing of the damage threshold. The timer to clear it will start when the armor starts to stack again. |
| 20:07.54 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So once a new stack of armor is added, the damage tracked will be reset. |
| 20:08.08 | IskatuMesk | I will have to compile a more meaningful requests list at some point, but the armor in particular was pointed out by hks as desiring to see how it would work |
| 20:08.22 | IskatuMesk | (I am too chobo to even begin to figure out how any of that shit works yet) |
| 20:08.37 | ArcanePariah|Sch | It is a mix of data and triggers, data to apply stacks, triggers to do the damage tracking and removal. |
| 20:08.42 | IskatuMesk | I think I would have a hard time even getting the t90 to work yet |
| 20:08.57 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 20:08.59 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I provided a fair bit of comments to explain why things are done. |
| 20:09.04 | IskatuMesk | triggers should be fine since it's just the one boss |
| 20:09.39 | IskatuMesk | I am not actually sure how fast triggers are |
| 20:09.43 | IskatuMesk | e.g. if you have to run a lot of them |
| 20:09.52 | IskatuMesk | in case I am to design base units with similar abilities |
| 20:09.54 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Just search for "Community Mod" on b.net to add the dependency or DL it to see how things are. |
| 20:10.22 | ArcanePariah|Sch | AS long as you keep the number running at the same time fairly low, they are fine. It is issues when hundreds attempt to go at the same time. |
| 20:10.24 | IskatuMesk | I'll just download it when you wrap it up, yeah |
| 20:11.26 | IskatuMesk | ah... hm.... I want a desert camo for that lav-25... I wonder if I could pull it off... |
| 20:11.43 | IskatuMesk | probably not anytime soon. I'll jot it down for my next expansion exercise |
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| 20:12.34 | IskatuMesk | haha, the mod is only 93mb currently |
| 20:13.30 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Ok, should be done now, take it for a spin if you want. Tell me if there is any bugs or discrepancies. |
| 20:13.36 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 20:14.04 | IskatuMesk | gotta guess my pw first |
| 20:14.36 | IskatuMesk | where does this stuff download to |
| 20:17.14 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Well, it is a public mod, all you do is add it your maps dependencies |
| 20:18.08 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And voila, you have everything. Or you could directly open it (just go Open -> Battle.net -> Source = Map/mod Name, and search Community Mod) |
| 20:23.53 | IskatuMesk | well I will eventually get the data ported to my own data |
| 20:24.08 | IskatuMesk | but I guess I can just tell him to download it that way |
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| 20:30.49 | IskatuMesk | I am guessing damage tracking can't really be done through data? |
| 20:42.30 | Merc | for some reason my wowmodelviewer crashes when I try to export a human female model of any kind |
| 20:42.34 | Merc | strange |
| 20:45.10 | JademusSreg | Perhaps there's a metaphor somewhere in there. |
| 20:45.31 | IskatuMesk | use winmpq |
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| 21:01.19 | Zolden | Goa cmon |
| 21:01.29 | Goa | whats up? |
| 21:02.03 | Zolden | nothing, just checking stuff |
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| 21:06.10 | Zolden | i heard chinese accumulating troops near russia border because putin wanted to capture Borat's country where china has some interests |
| 21:17.43 | Goa | haha |
| 21:18.25 | Goa | Actually every neighbor of Russia is doing that. Even Belarus reinforced its border.... |
| 21:18.48 | Zolden | pussies |
| 21:19.04 | Zolden | scared of mighty putin |
| 21:19.07 | Goa | More like reasonable people:D |
| 21:19.55 | Zolden | won't help, putin wants - putin takes |
| 21:20.25 | Goa | btw you know that Kazakhstan will be next?:D |
| 21:21.10 | IskatuMesk | putin ride bear majestically across boarder and people rejoyce |
| 21:22.33 | Goa | But after all Putin still comes to short of the ultimate cult of personality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHD22hqiDGU |
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| 21:36.14 | Zolden | Goa http://imgur.com/1rJIc38 |
| 21:37.31 | Zolden | this pipe i use to cross the river when i go for groceries |
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| 21:38.09 | Goa | how many times did you fallen off it?:D |
| 21:38.37 | Goa | thats like you drink you stuck on the other side barrier. |
| 21:39.05 | Zolden | one would be enough, theres a waretfall soon |
| 21:39.36 | Zolden | drunk would never cross that |
| 21:41.40 | Goa | lol |
| 21:44.07 | Goa | you should be living near volcano so you could make the ultimate dare to cross over place... |
| 21:45.08 | Zolden | roman volcano soon expected to explode badly |
| 21:45.25 | Zolden | the one that destroyed pompei |
| 21:45.53 | Zolden | it has a cycle, and time's up |
| 21:47.56 | Goa | cycle rofl |
| 21:49.30 | Goa | I doubt there is such thing .... |
| 21:53.43 | Zolden | scientists are certain about it |
| 21:54.53 | Zolden | volcanos usually have repetivity with constant delay |
| 21:57.40 | Goa | I dont think its constant delay, max the probability for eruption goes up, like in earthquakes |
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| 21:59.48 | Zolden | yea it has some random component |
| 22:01.36 | Zolden | like when i shit, i do it in different time of day, but almost every day |
| 22:02.04 | Zolden | volcanos is when the earth shit |
| 22:02.16 | Zolden | but it has multiple butts |
| 22:02.52 | Zolden | such a big creature would explode if it had only one |
| 22:05.05 | Goa | I think its even more random... |
| 22:05.54 | Goa | like Earth eats Chinese one day and Mexican with extra chilly the next day.... |
| 22:06.47 | Zolden | earth eats its own shit |
| 22:07.53 | Zolden | if it was more random, scientists wouldnt expect it with such certainity |
| 22:08.21 | Goa | where do they expect it with certainty? |
| 22:08.44 | Zolden | ive read somwhere about, maybe it was lie, dunno |
| 22:10.03 | Zolden | 1-10 years |
| 22:11.04 | Goa | Mount Vesuvius has erupted many times. The famous eruption in 79 AD was preceded by numerous others in prehistory, including at least three significantly larger ones, the best known being the Avellino eruption around 1800 BC which engulfed several Bronze Age settlements. Since 79 AD, the volcano has also erupted repeatedly, in 172, 203, 222, possibly 303, 379, 472, 512, 536, 685, 787, around... |
| 22:11.06 | Goa | ...860, around 900, 968, 991, 999, 1006, 1037, 1049, around 1073, 1139, 1150, and there may have been eruptions in 1270, 1347, and 1500.[17] The volcano erupted again in 1631, six times in the 18th century, eight times in the 19th century (notably in 1872), and in 1906, 1929, and 1944. There has been no eruption since 1944, and none of the post-79 eruptions were as large or destructive as... |
| 22:11.07 | Goa | ...the Pompeian one. |
| 22:13.22 | Zolden | may it be the longer it waits, the stronger it hits? |
| 22:13.28 | Goa | I see little pattern in that |
| 22:14.41 | Goa | The eruptions vary greatly in severity but are characterized by explosive outbursts of the kind dubbed Plinian after Pliny the Younger, a Roman writer who published a detailed description of the 79 AD eruption, including his uncle's death.[20] On occasion, eruptions from Vesuvius have been so large that the whole of southern Europe has been blanketed by ash; in 472 and 1631, Vesuvian ash... |
| 22:14.42 | Goa | ...fell on Constantinople (Istanbul), over 1,200 kilometres (750 mi) away. A few times since 1944, landslides in the crater have raised clouds of ash dust, raising false alarms of an eruption. |
| 22:15.35 | Zolden | because random component is big, it seems to be a chaotic cycle, so if u gather all delays on one graph, there will be gaussian distribution |
| 22:15.51 | Goa | So yeah 1631 was big eruption but thats seems quite reasonable:D |
| 22:16.47 | Zolden | when big volcanos explode, it may cause a minor ice age |
| 22:17.25 | Zolden | like a couple of years with snow at summer |
| 22:17.34 | Zolden | (rare snow) |
| 22:18.04 | Zolden | so i'd prefer no fucking volcanos |
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| 22:19.55 | SirPirate | yarr |
| 22:20.00 | Goa | even less pattern in this very active volcano : http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/sakurajima.html |
| 22:20.22 | SirPirate | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=14000KA arcane, Jademus |
| 22:21.07 | Goa | yeah Yellowstone park should really explode now, everybody has enough from USA:D |
| 22:22.21 | Goa | anyway |
| 22:23.12 | Goa | Good night, I need to recharge my batteries and reboot my brain. |
| 22:23.18 | Zolden | dust components that cause ice age can distribute themselves to the whole semisphere, so europe would suffer from usa eruption |
| 22:23.24 | Zolden | same |
| 22:23.32 | SirPirate | or maybe http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=14000KB with real programming experience |
| 22:23.32 | Zolden | bye |
| 22:25.40 | Zolden | yea, some of mapmakers should try that |
| 22:26.11 | Zolden | who else but us, it seems to be editor related |
| 22:26.34 | SirPirate | right? |
| 22:26.46 | Zolden | but i wouldnt work for those fat fuckers |
| 22:26.59 | Zolden | unity rapes |
| 22:27.20 | SirPirate | I'd like to move to cali, I have siblings nearby |
| 22:27.44 | Zolden | will u submit? |
| 22:28.13 | SirPirate | well, I'd like to finish Resistor first (my current WIP map) |
| 22:28.28 | Zolden | whats wip? |
| 22:28.33 | SirPirate | but that'll be at least a month and they'll probably hire before then |
| 22:28.37 | SirPirate | work in progress |
| 22:29.06 | SirPirate | since RogueStar is a scripting clusterfuck |
| 22:29.22 | Zolden | ur map has higher priority than that possibility? |
| 22:29.58 | SirPirate | I feel like if they looked at the Rogue Star code theyd laugh at me |
| 22:30.10 | SirPirate | Meanwhile Resistor is all clean and reasonable |
| 22:30.27 | SirPirate | so itd be a better addition to a resume |
| 22:30.36 | Zolden | sounds like u aint self confident about ur skills |
| 22:30.55 | SirPirate | considering that sc2/galaxy is my only real coding experience |
| 22:31.15 | SirPirate | I am confident in my lack of confidence :P |
| 22:31.44 | Zolden | they prefer experience over talent, i guess |
| 22:33.06 | Zolden | btw, u will consider each your previous map as a mess and each current as clean, no matter how much u've done alrrady |
| 22:34.11 | Zolden | editor requires about 3 years of intense mapmaking to reach some real skills |
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| 22:34.39 | SirPirate | sure, but I learned leaps and bounds in the 4 months of making rogue star that I didn't have going into it |
| 22:35.54 | SirPirate | regardless, good to hear your feedback Zolden |
| 22:36.11 | Zolden | post that on forum, let ppl fap |
| 22:36.24 | SirPirate | meh |
| 22:36.50 | SirPirate | I want to hear what ArcanePariah and JademusSreg think |
| 22:37.18 | SirPirate | the only people on sc2mapster that would be remotely qualified would be peeps that frequent the IRC anyway |
| 22:38.30 | Zolden | kueken and drsuperevil are kings, but none of them in irc |
| 22:39.09 | SirPirate | is super evil still alive even? |
| 22:39.59 | Zolden | dunno, havent checked data subforum where he used to dwell in a while |
| 22:58.05 | ArcanePariah|Sch | SirPirate, interesting. Certainly worth a look |
| 22:58.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And yes, you can join me in paradise |
| 22:58.59 | ArcanePariah|Sch | and enjoy the weather that comes with paradise* (*if you ignore the terrible drivers and the god awful cost of living :D) |
| 22:59.37 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Only here can you offer someone a job for 35 k a year and have them probably laugh at you |
| 23:00.20 | SirPirate | hmm, I thought Irvine was closer to SF than right by LA |
| 23:01.28 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Nah, Irvine is south of LA, about 1 hour |
| 23:01.41 | ArcanePariah|Sch | It is in south orange county. Very nice place, but hilariously expensive. |
| 23:01.56 | SirPirate | that's too bad |
| 23:01.58 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Though, Newport Beach is right near by and it is even more expensive. |
| 23:02.59 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Nah, usually people are paid accordingly, but it is something you have to keep in mind. Like, apartment rents in Irvine near Blizzard go for 1500+ a month. Combination of nice city + competing with University students. |
| 23:03.14 | SirPirate | you should apply for the associate position and then tell them to hire me as an assistant |
| 23:03.33 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I might consider it, depends on things when I graduate. |
| 23:03.58 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Well, depends on things at end of summer after I graduate, I already have an internship for summer lined up for next year. |
| 23:08.06 | Repo | New map: Viacre - Chapter 02 [Another World] - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/viacre-chapter-02-another-world/ |
| 23:08.22 | Repo | New experimental map: SBC Alpha (Fire and Sand) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sbc-alpha-fire-and-sand/ |
| 23:08.47 | SirPirate | how long do you think the positions will be open? |
| 23:08.51 | ArcanePariah|Sch | No idea |
| 23:09.26 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Probably on going, Blizzard is somewhat picky, plus some people are not up for moving to Peoples Republic of Irvine (as my dad puts it :P) |
| 23:10.12 | ArcanePariah|Sch | JademusSreg should apply. If I was actively looking for work right now, I would apply |
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| 23:11.04 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Also, Zolden was correct earlier, experience >>>> talent. Talent = superstars/cowboys, and thus are worse then useless. |
| 23:11.04 | SirPirate | that's what I was saying, since he knows programming and scripting languages |
| 23:11.43 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Talent is useful is small doses, but modern engineering and software is a team effort, so you either are a team player or worse then useless. |
| 23:13.23 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And at least blizzard is consistent, murlocs are annoying in all their games that have them |
| 23:14.12 | ArcanePariah|Sch | In any case, thank you for showing me that, and yeah that would be interesting to do, since it is basically what I do for NOTD 2 anyhow |
| 23:14.49 | SirPirate | (y) |
| 23:16.04 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 23:17.14 | IskatuMesk | those job requirements are pretty lenient |
| 23:18.04 | IskatuMesk | our apartments go for 1500 a month and they are crap and nothing is any good here |
| 23:18.25 | IskatuMesk | also living in an apartment would be miserable |
| 23:18.32 | IskatuMesk | too close to people |
| 23:19.03 | SirPirate | "possess a strong technical or engineering background" |
| 23:19.32 | IskatuMesk | that describes basically everyone who ever did anything meaningful with the game |
| 23:19.47 | IskatuMesk | which, while few in number, would be anyone interested in the job |
| 23:20.06 | SirPirate | that doesn't mean "engineering or CS degree" ? |
| 23:20.14 | IskatuMesk | dunno |
| 23:20.15 | IskatuMesk | bit vague |
| 23:20.26 | IskatuMesk | I probably qualify as having a strong technical background in some respects |
| 23:20.40 | IskatuMesk | (not that I'd ever work for blizzard) |
| 23:21.02 | IskatuMesk | might depend on your resume and what you show them I guess |
| 23:21.17 | IskatuMesk | like, you would probably be an instant hire |
| 23:21.28 | SirPirate | :/ |
| 23:21.47 | SirPirate | I got a very big no on the internships a few years back |
| 23:21.52 | IskatuMesk | odd |
| 23:22.05 | SirPirate | I have 0 programming/computing job or education experience |
| 23:22.14 | IskatuMesk | I knew someone who got into QA for the editor with literally zero background and then did some fairly big stuff after that |
| 23:22.31 | IskatuMesk | but he had a recruiter at his college |
| 23:22.34 | IskatuMesk | makes the difference I guess |
| 23:22.38 | SirPirate | ah |
| 23:22.43 | IskatuMesk | in that case it will be what you show |
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| 23:23.04 | IskatuMesk | if you demonstrate exceptional skill over the engine, which you have, I don't see why they wouldn't consider you unless they had a better candidate |
| 23:23.27 | IskatuMesk | programming is only listed as a bonus |
| 23:23.41 | SirPirate | eh, Rogue Star has many, many bugs that would suggest poor attention to detail, no? |
| 23:23.51 | IskatuMesk | blizzard is not known for attention to detail |
| 23:23.54 | SirPirate | It's a shambling hunk of junk that barely works |
| 23:23.58 | IskatuMesk | and you can always just show the good parts |
| 23:24.11 | IskatuMesk | think of it like marketing |
| 23:24.14 | SirPirate | Resistor is/will be full of goodparts |
| 23:24.16 | SirPirate | :D |
| 23:24.32 | IskatuMesk | well, there you go |
| 23:25.10 | SirPirate | but I need to get it into a minimum playable state first |
| 23:27.22 | IskatuMesk | haha, if I submitted a resume with what I'm currently playing, I guarantee they'd be disappointed |
| 23:28.14 | IskatuMesk | "I played rondo of blood a few months ago and plan to die terribly in DoDonPachi 2 expert loop." |
| 23:28.29 | IskatuMesk | "what is that? An iphone game? |
| 23:29.17 | SirPirate | I dont know what those things are |
| 23:30.10 | IskatuMesk | rondo of blood is an older and easier castlevania game that still managed to be significantly more difficult than any title I've played newer than 2003 or so |
| 23:30.22 | IskatuMesk | while dodonpachi 2 is what can be considered a rather difficult shmup |
| 23:30.39 | IskatuMesk | I don't imagine anyone in their staff could clear rondo |
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| 23:31.34 | IskatuMesk | dodonpachi 2 will be "beatable" only because of instant respawn and credit feeding... it is... in a word, silly |
| 23:32.02 | SirPirate | ah |
| 23:32.13 | IskatuMesk | though I would very much like to one day 1cc it, that would probably be a decade off of intense practice |
| 23:32.43 | IskatuMesk | I would be content to 1cc r-type 3 some day |
| 23:34.36 | SirPirate | you are the oldest of school cool |
| 23:34.44 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately not |
| 23:34.48 | IskatuMesk | I am only just learning about these games |
| 23:34.53 | IskatuMesk | they are before my time |
| 23:35.26 | IskatuMesk | I more or less grew up with the n64 and then brood war |
| 23:35.38 | SirPirate | SNES? |
| 23:35.42 | IskatuMesk | a little bit |
| 23:36.06 | SirPirate | Super Mario RPG started it all for me |
| 23:36.06 | IskatuMesk | I am ignorant of many of the SNES classics, like zelda |
| 23:36.16 | SirPirate | heresy |
| 23:36.33 | IskatuMesk | though I plan to rectify this |
| 23:36.55 | IskatuMesk | there are just viewers who like to see me suffer first, so I've done a fair share of rather difficult titles beforehand |
| 23:40.48 | SirPirate | the only 'hard' games I play are Dark Souls 1/2 |
| 23:41.02 | SirPirate | but they dont have anything on old school platformers |
| 23:41.03 | IskatuMesk | meh... untested drivel |
| 23:41.10 | IskatuMesk | those games are so horribly buggy |
| 23:41.25 | IskatuMesk | a more modern, comparable example would be devil may cry 3 |
| 23:41.33 | SirPirate | *wonderfully buggy |
| 23:41.37 | IskatuMesk | not super hard, at least on the first available difficulty, though |
| 23:42.02 | IskatuMesk | dmc4 plays nice but it's way too easy |
| 23:42.17 | IskatuMesk | thus my desire to make my own ARPG some day |
| 23:42.45 | IskatuMesk | combine that old platformer thinking difficulty with more modern lessons I learned through studying professional brood war and all my years of modding |
| 23:42.55 | IskatuMesk | would be great fun to pit all that together, were I ever to possess the skill |
| 23:44.09 | IskatuMesk | like, devil may cry 1 (ps2), the monsters can navigate Z and everything. I've yet to witness that in another arpg |
| 23:44.24 | IskatuMesk | god of war, dark souls, everything, they just freak out, shut off, or kill themselves |
| 23:44.38 | IskatuMesk | dark/demon souls are particularly hilarious for that |
| 23:45.26 | IskatuMesk | bayonetta was fairly decent as well. A bit rough around the edges, and largely too easy, but again a decent framework |
| 23:54.15 | IskatuMesk | gonna drink coffee and douse my hair in marmalade and chicken grease. afk |
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