| 00:02.19 | IskatuMesk | my mom only knows how to configure eating |
| 00:27.46 | Dustin|Work | ohh snap |
| 01:28.30 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 01:30.18 | JademusSreg | Minivacation terminates sunday, woo. |
| 01:37.17 | JademusSreg | My festively fractured rib will have begun stable remodeling by then, hopefully. =D |
| 01:49.47 | Dustin|Work | You fractured a rib? owwww |
| 01:54.22 | JademusSreg | Funny, despite all the reckless, dangerous, and combative activities I've experienced, I've not before this fractured any bone. Not mine, anywayt. |
| 01:54.24 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 02:46.00 | turtles1 | hi all |
| 02:46.54 | Dustin|Work | Hello sir |
| 02:57.06 | grim001 | this room has been dead for days. |
| 02:57.15 | grim001 | or maybe I haven't scrolled down for days. |
| 03:01.12 | Dustin|Work | Hasnt been that active, but more than dead :P |
| 03:01.41 | Dustin|Work | You ever finish any SC2 maps grim? |
| 03:02.13 | grim001 | I never really got into sc2 mapping |
| 03:02.35 | grim001 | I realized that it was all about the data editor |
| 03:03.12 | Dustin|Work | Ah, yeah, I usually do everything with triggers except for the visualization shit, that I do with the data |
| 03:03.25 | grim001 | doubt there will ever be a comprehensive set of tools for sc2 scripting via galaxy |
| 03:03.41 | Dustin|Work | Ya not like we had in WC3 anyway :( |
| 03:03.43 | grim001 | unless I make it myself, but I'd rather make a game. |
| 03:03.48 | Dustin|Work | Ya |
| 03:03.54 | Dustin|Work | We need to hijack Vexen again |
| 03:04.01 | Dustin|Work | Make him create vGalaxy |
| 03:04.05 | grim001 | pretty sure he is done with this stuff |
| 03:04.11 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I wouldnt doubt it |
| 03:04.32 | grim001 | that is the problem with a community like this. the people who develop too much skill tend to disappear. |
| 03:04.51 | grim001 | because blizzard doesn't make sc2 modding a friendly place for such people. |
| 03:05.01 | Dustin|Work | AND doesn't hire them :( |
| 03:05.56 | Dustin|Work | I've been slowly drifting towards Unity myself |
| 03:06.23 | Dustin|Work | And working on my Analog/Digital boardgame |
| 03:06.39 | grim001 | the two best options seem to be unity (especially for 3d) or rolling your own engine |
| 03:07.03 | grim001 | using intermediate tools like libGDX makes me feel dirty |
| 03:08.47 | grim001 | although I would for android, if I wanted to make a mobile game |
| 03:11.15 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I have a big hill ahead of me, trying to cobble together my own Python code for controlling my Raspberry pi and it's access to the Boards LED's and tile detection, Unity for controlling visuals on your smartphone, A web server to serve as the connection for your smartphone -> raspberry pi and then all the game logic |
| 03:16.33 | grim001 | what exactly are you trying to put together? |
| 03:24.34 | Dustin|Work | It's a boardgame where you have 3 heroes with special abilities and basic attacks (think Final Fantasy Tactics) You build up the board with different terrain tiles and each person places his 3 heroes. Then you take turns moving and attacking trying to eliminate all oppponents heroes. The actuall board is made of wood and has many different tile types you can use to build the map. Each tile also has a 3 colored LED that is |
| 03:24.34 | Dustin|Work | controlled by a little Raspberry Pi computer. The smartphone will hookinto the Raspberry Pi and be used to show hero stats and abilities and show combat animations during the game and control ability usages etc. So for instance, your turn comes up and you select which hero you want to move or attack with on your smartphone, then the board will light up the tiles that he can move or attack, so you input that and the game will |
| 03:24.34 | Dustin|Work | process it and update everything accordingly. |
| 03:24.47 | Dustin|Work | so it's like a mix between an Analog Board game and a Video Game |
| 03:24.53 | DrPhil- | JademusSreg, sweetiepie. |
| 03:27.29 | Dustin|Work | Im hoping to make a modular hero system so that people can create their own heroes easily. My main hangup right now is the process im going to use to detect the tile and hero position on the board |
| 03:28.09 | Dustin|Work | Been thinking about adding some contacts and capacitors for each tile/hero to control voltage and use that to determine Tile/Hero type but Im still experimenting |
| 03:32.18 | grim001 | that sounds like something I'd buy |
| 03:32.59 | grim001 | just need to get it mass produced after building a prototype... |
| 03:33.25 | grim001 | if you had a working prototype and a nice promo video I'm sure kickstarter would eat it up |
| 03:33.43 | turtles1 | I've thought about the same thing for chess. A physical chessboard with an inbuilt chess AI which can detect peice positions on the board and output what move it wants |
| 03:34.01 | turtles1 | although sounds like you're going all out |
| 03:35.29 | turtles1 | so you're thinking give each peice a different capacitance and use that to detect which piece it is? |
| 03:35.42 | turtles1 | through the board, i mean? |
| 03:53.40 | Dustin|Work | Yeah im def shooting for a kickstarter once I get my prototype going |
| 03:54.06 | Dustin|Work | Yup that's the plan so far turtles unless I can determine a better way to acomplish that |
| 03:58.22 | Dustin|Work | Anyway, headed home! |
| 04:06.42 | grim001 | I'm happy with how normal mapping turned out in my engine... |
| 04:12.06 | JademusSreg | Phew++ |
| 04:20.34 | turtles1 | Dustin|Work a LESS good way but easier would be to have the game board have slots to place the unit in. that way you could have small contact plates and use something like resistance between the plats to know which unit is where |
| 04:20.49 | turtles1 | plates* |
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| 05:11.25 | JademusSreg | Usually don't post about minecraft shit, but this RPS article neatly summarizes a morsel of delicious drama: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/21/minecrafts-bukkit-cancelled/ |
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| 06:24.46 | Goa_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqQL-1gZF8 |
| 08:07.56 | Merc | https://dev.battle.net/ |
| 08:10.03 | JademusSreg | Glad they cleaned that up, was a disparate mess before. |
| 08:11.08 | Merc | so they just refreshed the look? |
| 08:11.59 | JademusSreg | Previously, the docs were scattered around and ugly as a poorly styled wiki. |
| 08:12.11 | Merc | this blog post makes it seem like they just opened access to their OAuth 2.0 service http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/15336025 |
| 08:12.38 | JademusSreg | These aren't all new, but this is by far a superior resource. |
| 08:13.08 | Merc | I was trying to make a little starcraft tool before I got into modding |
| 08:13.15 | Merc | little project to help me learn python |
| 08:13.31 | Merc | dunno if this would benefit at all |
| 08:13.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:13.44 | Merc | shame I started modding, my tool would have been really helpful I think |
| 08:13.51 | JademusSreg | Elaborate. |
| 08:14.12 | Merc | a ladder buddy that scans replays of recent matches and sets up stats for you |
| 08:14.36 | Merc | if you face certain opponents a lot, you get to track your record against them for example |
| 08:15.01 | Merc | further down the line I wanted to add what kind of weaknesses you have, etc |
| 08:15.43 | Merc | but the general idea was to build on that "experience bar" they added in heart of the swarm and make it into something useful |
| 08:15.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah, looks like these API docs could assist. |
| 08:16.00 | Merc | set goals for yourself etc |
| 08:16.11 | JademusSreg | Khan Academy for SC2? |
| 08:16.23 | Merc | never really got in to khan academy so I dont know |
| 08:16.31 | Merc | it wouldnt be a website though, it would be local |
| 08:16.43 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 08:16.48 | Merc | you tell it your bnet id, and where your replays are |
| 08:17.37 | Merc | basically a more fleshed out interface than what blizzard have in-game today |
| 08:18.03 | Merc | you need way too many clicks to check out your own match history if you're ever thinking "Didn't I just play this guy?" |
| 08:18.08 | JademusSreg | Ah, so it's an analysis tool. |
| 08:18.23 | Merc | nah, there's plenty of analysis tools |
| 08:18.28 | Merc | think of it more as a caddy |
| 08:19.01 | Merc | writes down your results, your opponents, keeps track of who your "enemies" are, etc |
| 08:19.03 | JademusSreg | Dunno what that means nor its distinction. |
| 08:19.07 | Merc | golf caddy |
| 08:19.21 | Merc | the caddy carries your clubs and writes down your results |
| 08:19.24 | JademusSreg | Ah, so it provides services. |
| 08:19.28 | Merc | yep |
| 08:20.37 | JademusSreg | I can't speak to how much interest it would attract, but then I'm not the target demographic. =D |
| 08:21.16 | IskatuMesk | time to do dry runs of the new script |
| 08:21.21 | IskatuMesk | get a sense of how long the revised file will be |
| 08:21.25 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 08:21.25 | IskatuMesk | then find music to accomodate those areas |
| 08:22.01 | Merc | I'm fairly certain people who play a lot would love something like that |
| 08:22.07 | JademusSreg | My minivacation will end sunday, so I'm looking forward to digging back into the AI. |
| 08:23.01 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 08:23.10 | IskatuMesk | was my document sufficient |
| 08:23.14 | IskatuMesk | also did you listen to that mp3 |
| 08:24.11 | JademusSreg | Somewhat related, got a non-displaced rib fracture, haha. |
| 08:24.37 | IskatuMesk | did you wrestle a corgi |
| 08:25.02 | Merc | sounds like a proper minivacation |
| 08:25.06 | Merc | ended up with injuries |
| 08:25.11 | Merc | where did you go? |
| 08:25.57 | JademusSreg | Repaired a breach in a vinyl above-ground wading pool with silicone chaulk, fell onto the jammed drive rod-thing. |
| 08:26.35 | Merc | üüüoohhurgh |
| 08:28.02 | JademusSreg | Progeny wanted to splash around, they were pleased so much they audibly stridulated with joy. |
| 08:28.39 | Merc | brb looking up "stridulated" |
| 08:28.53 | JademusSreg | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_(insect)#Cricket_chirping |
| 08:28.58 | Merc | (of an insect, especially a male cricket or grasshopper) make a shrill sound by rubbing the legs, wings, or other parts of the body together. |
| 08:29.04 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 08:29.11 | Merc | your kids are crickets? |
| 08:29.15 | Merc | Are you Timmy? |
| 08:29.42 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1DgihKHVI |
| 08:30.21 | Merc | oh apparently he's called Jiminy in the states |
| 08:31.55 | JademusSreg | As for the reference material, not all the way through, getting time to actually listen to anything is a challenge (often run everything in near-complete silence, so as to not wake the larvae). |
| 08:36.05 | IskatuMesk | I forgot how hard voice acting is with my speech problems |
| 08:36.18 | IskatuMesk | I think for a 2-3 hour script I could be looking at 10 hours of takes |
| 08:36.20 | IskatuMesk | just for the dry run |
| 08:36.45 | IskatuMesk | also use headphones |
| 08:38.48 | Merc | speech problems? |
| 08:38.59 | Merc | still happy with the headphones btw? |
| 08:39.08 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 08:39.17 | IskatuMesk | my motor skills have degraded over the years and I trip over words a lot |
| 08:39.40 | Merc | sucks |
| 08:39.46 | Merc | any reason for it? |
| 08:39.59 | IskatuMesk | probably has to do with my other disabilities |
| 08:40.08 | IskatuMesk | I suspect it's related to my inability to focus |
| 08:40.12 | IskatuMesk | I lose track of words and stall |
| 08:40.17 | Merc | I got a knack for going into mumble-overdrive, even skip words |
| 08:40.53 | Merc | some sort of ADD? |
| 08:41.46 | IskatuMesk | high functioning autism with traits of schizophrenia was the only official diagnosis I was ever given |
| 08:42.12 | Merc | harsh |
| 08:42.15 | Merc | take anything for it? |
| 08:42.40 | Merc | the schizophrenia, I mean |
| 08:43.04 | Merc | autism is basically just a state of being isnt it |
| 08:43.15 | IskatuMesk | I was immune to all drugs they had, doctor upped and moved practiced that was that |
| 08:43.20 | IskatuMesk | autism is a curse |
| 08:44.14 | IskatuMesk | being unable to learn anything, unable to focus, living in a nonstop state of hysteria from paranoia and depression |
| 08:45.05 | IskatuMesk | the anxiety is physically painful |
| 08:49.31 | Merc | damn, sounds pretty bad |
| 08:49.36 | Merc | sorry you have to deal with that |
| 08:49.45 | Merc | (in a phonecall brb) |
| 08:57.33 | JademusSreg | I've also been design-storming my ideal Character parameterization+mechanics model which should support different gameplay modalities, Action, Strategy, and Tactict: CAST. |
| 08:57.57 | JademusSreg | Particularly the Ego system. |
| 08:59.45 | JademusSreg | A game mechanical conflict much as is physical combat in RPGs which instead concerns itself with the social and personal identity aspects of role playing which have been overlooked by pretty much every game besides storytelling games like World-o-Darkness. |
| 08:59.53 | JademusSreg | It's all rather fuzzy, but it helps me to frame it in an example interaction, imagine two people meeting and talking at, say, a monthly goth event at a local bar/club. Much like any other form of combat, like a brawl or a SC2 melee or The Balance Game or poker, social interaction concerns itself with the control of information and the maneuvers around and toward that concern. Also helps to |
| 08:59.53 | JademusSreg | imagine each action taken during an Ego battle occurs in real time, and corresponds to body language and spoken dialogue. |
| 08:59.53 | JademusSreg | In an Ego battle, as in social interaction, one intends to make another reinforce favorable or desirable qualities constituting one's identity, prevent another from compromising those qualities, while sustaining the conflict until the cost or risk exceeds the benefits or potential return on investment. |
| 09:01.14 | IskatuMesk | meeting is for nerds |
| 09:01.57 | A1win | this ego battle doesn't sound like very interesting gameplay though :E |
| 09:02.38 | A1win | which is probably why it's been overlooked |
| 09:02.43 | JademusSreg | And yet you're already playing, even now. =D |
| 09:02.57 | A1win | as myself |
| 09:03.49 | JademusSreg | Also note I've not actually described how it plays, only the principles of the system, which will inform the mechanics. |
| 09:04.34 | A1win | that's why I said it doesn't seem so, feel free to prove me wrong :I |
| 09:05.53 | JademusSreg | Unnecessary. |
| 09:06.48 | A1win | I didn't mean that literally, more like "feel free to proceed anyway" |
| 09:06.57 | JademusSreg | Making the assertion puts the burden of proof on the one making the assertion, silly to attempt to disprove what hasn't yet even been supported, haha. |
| 09:07.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:10.22 | Goa_ | Finally I am starting to really like Unity 3d |
| 09:10.44 | Goa_ | so good |
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| 09:23.11 | IskatuMesk | voicing this will be tough |
| 09:23.21 | IskatuMesk | I will need to practice a lot before I can invest into a production take |
| 09:23.25 | IskatuMesk | just because I am so out of shape |
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| 09:38.26 | IskatuMesk | I really hate pitch shift in a minimal edit voice. It always sounds so fake./ |
| 09:40.57 | JademusSreg | Ah, I should say the Ego System approaches character social interaction as gameplay, rather than dialogue options. Can't imagine people prefer the dialogue trees (or worse still, Mass Effect response wheel) which dominate RPGs. |
| 09:41.44 | IskatuMesk | should probably worry about companies hiring actual writers, which none currently do, before worrying about the underlying mechanics tbh |
| 09:41.53 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 09:42.58 | IskatuMesk | this is weird as hell. I'm getting such different pitch results on these tests than my 3-3 tests from last year |
| 09:43.26 | IskatuMesk | did I even use a pitch shift...? |
| 09:45.13 | IskatuMesk | it would help if I had documented anything about this voice. dat foresight |
| 09:52.44 | IskatuMesk | Jade. do you voice act? |
| 09:54.05 | IskatuMesk | ah. I didn't put a pitch shift on this at all. |
| 09:54.25 | IskatuMesk | I may just fly with that... my voice is a bit high pitch for Anahn, but artificial pitch is horrendous on a non-edited voice |
| 09:55.32 | grim002 | So there was this ruckus about SpriteLamp... A utility to make normal mapping sprites considerably easier. As in, only double the artwork effort. Raised 30k or so on Kickstarter |
| 09:56.17 | IskatuMesk | mindtex works fine for me |
| 09:56.26 | IskatuMesk | 10 bucks on steam, or free from any normal source |
| 09:56.40 | IskatuMesk | I don't know how you normal map a sprite, though... |
| 09:57.00 | IskatuMesk | maybe you are referring to something different than I think |
| 09:57.34 | grim001 | it does roughly the same thing. here's an example of spritelamp in action: |
| 09:57.54 | grim001 | http://snakehillgames.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/zombie-vertical-preview.gif?w=640&h=600 |
| 09:58.06 | IskatuMesk | aaah |
| 09:58.09 | IskatuMesk | I have not seen that before |
| 09:58.12 | IskatuMesk | interesting indeed |
| 09:58.39 | IskatuMesk | all of my sprites would be rendered were I to make a sprite based project again |
| 09:58.45 | IskatuMesk | much like my brood war/aow2 ones |
| 09:59.02 | IskatuMesk | I wonder if you could render a normal map using shading as a material to base it on in max |
| 09:59.33 | Merc | chocolate cake for lunch-dessert |
| 09:59.36 | Merc | I had way too much |
| 09:59.38 | grim001 | using spritelamp and "only" doubling the amount of effort spent on art, you can get those results. you need to draw illumination maps from at least 2 angles to make it look any good. |
| 09:59.38 | Merc | goddamn |
| 10:00.25 | grim001 | anyway, I bring it up because I' |
| 10:00.41 | Merc | dont you just love the placement of the apostrophe key on the keyboard |
| 10:00.50 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 10:01.03 | grim001 | I've found a way to use shitty auto-generated normal maps to create quite an impressive lighting effect that looks comperable or perhaps better than spritelamp's results. |
| 10:01.24 | grim001 | so, you can do normal mapping for virtually no extra effort, making it practical. |
| 10:01.41 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 10:02.27 | Merc | sounds neat |
| 10:04.40 | grim001 | original image -> apply 2 or 3 paint.net filters in 30 seconds (or automate with a batch image manipulation tool) -> plug in my shader with made up nonsense math -> looks amazing |
| 10:05.58 | IskatuMesk | nonsense math is the best math |
| 10:06.07 | IskatuMesk | which means all math is amazing to me because I don't know math |
| 10:06.49 | IskatuMesk | there is very noticeable less reverb in this room than my last. the recording quality is a lot better. When I get my hardware all rigged, it will be perfect. |
| 10:10.08 | IskatuMesk | new dialogue turns 2-3 minutes into 10ish minutes. |
| 10:10.10 | IskatuMesk | interesting. |
| 10:11.09 | grim001 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/normalmapping.png |
| 10:11.20 | grim001 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/treenormal.png |
| 10:11.34 | grim001 | part of the effect is lost without motion, but even still screenshots look cool. |
| 10:11.55 | IskatuMesk | I would personally aim for HD sprites |
| 10:12.15 | IskatuMesk | but I wouldn't be drawing them, so it'd be a lot easier to do that |
| 10:12.34 | IskatuMesk | it would be cool if you could layer the leaves on the tree |
| 10:12.35 | grim001 | those sprites are already about 4x the resolution of your typical indie game with shitty pixel art |
| 10:12.41 | IskatuMesk | and create different levels of lighting |
| 10:12.42 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 10:13.33 | grim001 | lots of people create cool looking sprites for pixel art sites, but I never see them in a game... |
| 10:15.09 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/VuWZCU7.jpg |
| 10:15.26 | IskatuMesk | I wouldn't settle for anything less than that, but 1920x1200 native, and I'm sure modern engines could do a lot more than that 2001 indie game |
| 10:15.42 | grim001 | yeah, those look like 3d models converted into sprites |
| 10:15.48 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 10:15.53 | IskatuMesk | most of which I rendered myself |
| 10:16.10 | IskatuMesk | others ported (diablo), some other people ported |
| 10:16.46 | grim001 | it's pretty cool, but that isn't exactly the sort of look I'm going for. if you're already using 3d models as a basis, you should be able to generate normal maps for free. |
| 10:17.07 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 10:17.18 | IskatuMesk | well I would try to use something like you said, but generate the maps with something like mindtex |
| 10:17.42 | IskatuMesk | unless I could render them as black and white with specific lights, that wouldn't be too hard to set up I don't think |
| 10:17.43 | grim001 | if you plan to have any dynamic light sources, it's definitely worth it |
| 10:17.57 | grim001 | what, you mean pre-baked light sources? |
| 10:17.58 | IskatuMesk | would be quite neat to see |
| 10:18.08 | IskatuMesk | well, to generate a sprite that would be used for light information |
| 10:18.43 | IskatuMesk | not sure how it would be done, I've never worked with something that advanced before, but yeah |
| 10:18.51 | grim001 | you should be able to find some utility that converts 3d models into normal map sprites from a given perspective |
| 10:19.04 | grim001 | the information is already there |
| 10:19.09 | grim001 | unlike flat 2d sprites where it has to be faked |
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| 10:30.54 | JademusSreg | notices an email, downloads Unity 4.6 beta, looks forward to modifying the interface. |
| 10:32.11 | IskatuMesk | if anything I would only investigate the UDK and, if success followed, unreal 4 |
| 10:32.51 | Goa_ | Unity ftw |
| 10:42.42 | IskatuMesk | I think I can get away with the narrative on this using my base voice with a wave hammer and then a vocal presence reverb. Maybe a slight base boost. |
| 10:43.16 | IskatuMesk | I'll upload a sample |
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| 10:44.13 | IskatuMesk | www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/wibodsbasement/BLACKSUN-RETRIBUTION-PHASE4-audiobook.wav |
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| 11:41.11 | JademusSreg | http://unity3d.com/unity/beta/4.6/release-notes |
| 11:42.33 | JademusSreg | Cause for celebration, and also no small amount of amusement. |
| 11:50.48 | IskatuMesk | would you rather I transition my work to something like the UDK, jade? |
| 11:51.04 | IskatuMesk | though preferably |
| 11:51.10 | IskatuMesk | I'd have to teach me programming if anything |
| 11:51.40 | JademusSreg | On the one hand, great additions. On the two hand, why did it take so long for them to alleviate the suffering of their user base? On the third hand, open source Unity UI development sounds intriguing. On the fourth hand, one expects it'll be rather strictly regulated. |
| 11:51.48 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 11:52.35 | JademusSreg | Interesting question. The answer is generally "No", since that's how Duke Nukem Forever earned its legendary vaporware status. |
| 11:52.40 | JademusSreg | But there is a caveat. |
| 11:53.05 | IskatuMesk | I eventually plan to go to the UDK |
| 11:53.14 | IskatuMesk | how the sc2 project goes will determine when that will be |
| 11:53.30 | IskatuMesk | this is my last "mod" styled project |
| 11:53.42 | Tomura | UDK or UE4? |
| 11:53.54 | IskatuMesk | I need to be good enough at unreal to warrant buying unreal 4 |
| 11:53.56 | JademusSreg | If you are learning to use a new toolset currently, it is conceivable that it could be ported to a new platform, since it is still early on the playable content side. |
| 11:54.06 | IskatuMesk | so I'll probably try to learn the engine a bit with UDK then make the switch before I commit |
| 11:54.16 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 11:54.17 | IskatuMesk | it would be an unrelated project |
| 11:54.45 | Tomura | hmmm might be better, though UE4 is a bit different and will be even more later on when they replaced some of the older tools with the new ones |
| 11:55.18 | IskatuMesk | yeah. |
| 11:55.22 | IskatuMesk | I just hope they never remove psa.psk support |
| 11:55.58 | IskatuMesk | all of the graphics I rip from nearly any unreal (even unreal 2) work in the UDK without any changes |
| 11:56.08 | IskatuMesk | I'd rather that not change, the actorx importer does break some stuff |
| 11:56.10 | JademusSreg | considers it would be pronounced "piss apes suck". |
| 11:56.13 | Tomura | they moved to fbx only |
| 11:56.24 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 11:56.29 | IskatuMesk | UDK still supports it though |
| 11:56.35 | IskatuMesk | and files that come out of unreal are still in those formats |
| 11:56.51 | IskatuMesk | unreal 4, I have no clue |
| 11:57.05 | IskatuMesk | PBL really has my interest, as does their blueprint system and particle updates |
| 11:57.07 | JademusSreg | Is conversion feasible? |
| 11:57.12 | Tomura | unreal 4 uses fbx. But will suport obj and collada at some point |
| 11:57.35 | Tomura | + epic is supporting blender in making it more compatible with UE4 so you probably can use it to convert your stuff |
| 11:57.41 | IskatuMesk | for most objects jade yes, though I'd have to redo some work. Some of them have major weighting problems when brought into max |
| 11:57.51 | IskatuMesk | yeah... I'd rather stay away from things like blender if possible |
| 11:58.19 | IskatuMesk | also I can't seem to import their static mesh format into 3ds ma |
| 11:58.20 | JademusSreg | Ah, silly me, duh, UT4 is the new openish crowd collaboration. |
| 11:58.52 | JademusSreg | Some bruiser deck player must have hit me with a Memory Lapse. |
| 11:59.30 | JademusSreg | Or whatever the acronym is, shit, haha. |
| 11:59.32 | IskatuMesk | I mean, there's nothing wrong with sticking to the UDK... I could achieve what I want in it, and make it look incredibly good |
| 11:59.43 | IskatuMesk | so if that ever became an issue I could just stick with it |
| 12:00.00 | IskatuMesk | but I need to know programming before I can even consider it |
| 12:00.20 | IskatuMesk | at least enough to cypher their existing code and reverse engineer some code from the open source projects like dungeon defenders |
| 12:00.23 | IskatuMesk | so I can build the combat and AI |
| 12:01.00 | IskatuMesk | of course, I have no confidence in my ability to do that. So, I went to sc2 instead. |
| 12:01.13 | IskatuMesk | Then it turned out AI was still going to be an insanely huge problem. |
| 12:01.32 | Tomura | ummm if programming is the problem then I wouldn't really recommend UDK, because Unreal Script needs proper knowledge of object oriented programming |
| 12:01.39 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 12:01.45 | IskatuMesk | something I need to learn anyways |
| 12:02.06 | IskatuMesk | I need the game to be extremely fast and responsive, and you won't get that through lots of abstraction |
| 12:02.46 | IskatuMesk | I want arcade shump level precision and speed in a devil may cry style game |
| 12:02.56 | IskatuMesk | with more scale |
| 12:03.00 | JademusSreg | AI's not so bad, really, just gotta know algorithms, finite state machine design, and damn sure make certain enough information can be made available for it to make meaningful decisions. |
| 12:04.10 | JademusSreg | (A genuine synthetic sapience, by comparison, is non-trivial, to say the least.) |
| 12:06.07 | JademusSreg | Gotta say I can't not fault UDK for proprietary script language. |
| 12:07.04 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 12:07.09 | JademusSreg | But could be worse. Like galaxy script. |
| 12:07.16 | IskatuMesk | generally I try to avoid scripting languages as a whole |
| 12:07.23 | IskatuMesk | I could do that with unreal 4 since it has source |
| 12:07.25 | IskatuMesk | but... eh... |
| 12:07.46 | Tomura | well it's c++ that's probably the worst to start with |
| 12:13.14 | JademusSreg | Unless one is somehow gifted with navigating arbitrary divergence and conventions, and is perfectly comfortable with its undecidable interpretation, yeah. |
| 12:13.29 | IskatuMesk | I was hoping to start with C, then work to C++, understand the differences, etc |
| 12:13.37 | JademusSreg | I suppose savvy politicians and anthropologists would have a knack for it. |
| 12:13.38 | IskatuMesk | then it turned out galaxy was.... subpar for this strategy |
| 12:14.43 | JademusSreg | Galaxy is subpar for any strategy. |
| 12:16.15 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 12:16.18 | IskatuMesk | I quickly discovered this |
| 12:16.21 | JademusSreg | SC2's data system is glorious, and its script system is proportionally terribad. =D |
| 12:16.32 | JademusSreg | But one uses what one has. |
| 12:19.21 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, I reiterate how entertaining it was to see Bukkit's tin tyrant get recycled. |
| 12:19.26 | JademusSreg | brb in 10 |
| 12:33.32 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, I consider how best to contextualize+tokenize the Ego System. |
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| 12:46.54 | JademusSreg | Though I certainly wouldn't use this, Yahtzee Croshaw suggested handling linear dialogues rather like rhythm games, gotta hit the right talk tone at the right time or the character blurts something awfully stupid. Imagine that, Orator Hero. |
| 13:11.03 | IskatuMesk | I think I forgot how to act |
| 13:11.12 | IskatuMesk | a few days of heavy coffee consumption should be enough, though |
| 13:15.40 | JademusSreg | Coincidence, I'm consuming heavy coffee right now. By which I mean it was brewed in deuterium. |
| 13:16.41 | IskatuMesk | I need it |
| 13:16.50 | IskatuMesk | also my major issue with this dry run is word pacing |
| 13:16.57 | IskatuMesk | I seem to have forgotten how to pace words properly |
| 13:17.10 | IskatuMesk | only way to get through that is to dry run over and over until I remember how |
| 13:19.35 | IskatuMesk | also I commonly underestimate how long written dialogue becomes when spoken |
| 13:19.51 | IskatuMesk | I can read like 10-20x as fast as spoken apparently |
| 13:20.10 | Ahli | make a Blizz producer say it. they talk like machine guns |
| 13:20.21 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 13:20.31 | IskatuMesk | I can pace the music and such through it to break it up |
| 13:20.56 | IskatuMesk | the music requirements will be stiff... like a big dick |
| 13:21.08 | IskatuMesk | this could easily be 3-4 hours long, and it needs to flow perfectly |
| 13:22.01 | IskatuMesk | the campaign is easy because you have zero control over the synchronization of anything going on, so you just yolo your way through such things |
| 13:22.12 | IskatuMesk | this has to be precise to the second |
| 13:22.44 | IskatuMesk | possibly another subject I could make a dev mp3 about... |
| 13:24.12 | IskatuMesk | someone joints vent. I ask, "How hard are you really?" he immediately ragequits |
| 13:27.10 | JademusSreg | As the ol'sayin goes, can't spell "fun" without "fu". |
| 15:42.59 | Arcane|Work | Good morning |
| 15:45.32 | Ahli | good evening |
| 15:51.50 | Arcane|Work | So, some good soul has also copied much of the old wiki over to the new one. I think in addition to doing data/trigger requests, I should go through and prune the tutorials, quite a few are outdated. |
| 15:55.01 | Arcane|Work | Besides the camera thingy Ahli, got any other things you would like an example of, or have something you want to implement in Mortal Shroud? |
| 15:55.59 | Ahli | nothing I can think of... |
| 15:56.40 | Ahli | I think I'm going to redo the whole UI in xml... |
| 15:58.06 | Arcane|Work | Ahh, its currently in triggers with dialogs? |
| 15:58.14 | Ahli | yes... all of it |
| 15:58.55 | Arcane|Work | Well, definitely sounds like a good idea, will gain you a fair bit of performance, especially in the loading. |
| 15:59.40 | Ahli | yeah, atm I'm just killing dialog items and dialogs everywhere, just to allow new windows to appear on top... |
| 15:59.44 | Dustin | Tyrael, more like Tyrone, amiright?! |
| 16:00.10 | Arcane|Work | Sup Dustin :D |
| 16:00.11 | Ahli | and it will make it easier for me to expand/change the UI later on, I guess |
| 16:00.22 | Dustin | Just playing some Heroes of the Storm |
| 16:00.31 | Arcane|Work | Hehehe |
| 16:00.44 | Arcane|Work | Can't wait for the next batch of heroes |
| 16:01.04 | Arcane|Work | From what i understand, its Anuberak, Chen and someone else |
| 16:01.12 | Ahli | I'm now officially in a German team "mousesports" :D |
| 16:01.18 | Ahli | third one is azmodan |
| 16:01.21 | Arcane|Work | Ahh yes |
| 16:01.33 | Dustin | Ya im excited about Anubarak |
| 16:01.35 | Arcane|Work | So we get a spider, a drunkard, and a fatass |
| 16:01.38 | Arcane|Work | :D |
| 16:01.58 | Ahli | translate that page for detailed info http://heroes.ingame.de/heroes-of-the-storm/115857-GamesCom-2014---Die-neuen-Helden-Anub'arak%2C-Chen-und-Azmodan-im-Detail |
| 16:02.13 | Arcane|Work | I'm guessing Anub will be a support, chen as a warrior and az as a warrior |
| 16:02.50 | Ahli | no, anub & chen are warriors, az is specialist |
| 16:03.36 | Arcane|Work | Hmm yeah, Anub looks like he plays kind of like Diablo, but different set of disables |
| 16:04.20 | Arcane|Work | And of course, Chen ultimate... some stuff never changes :D |
| 16:04.47 | Arcane|Work | Same ultimate in Wc3 campaign, same in dota, same in dota 2, same here |
| 16:05.56 | Ahli | storm earth fire? well it is different than wc3. you kind of control the three ghosts like a single hero, you can't select them and the abilities are executed by all of them |
| 16:06.05 | Arcane|Work | true |
| 16:06.13 | Arcane|Work | But just the whole, lets split and reform deal |
| 16:06.24 | Ahli | 2 abilities: Q jump+area damage, W jump outside to split up (stop blocking teammates, I guess) |
| 16:07.04 | Arcane|Work | Azmodan, newest hardcore merc. He is going to be weird, since he has Bribe AND merc lord. |
| 16:07.10 | Ahli | it's second life for him + damage while the barrel is shield + massive CC |
| 16:07.24 | Ahli | I hate azmodan's minions |
| 16:07.35 | Ahli | they never prioritize heroes, I believe |
| 16:07.53 | RipperRoo | discovers Ahli's picture at uglypeople.com |
| 16:07.54 | Ahli | they went past a stitches to attack zagara's minions :< |
| 16:07.55 | Arcane|Work | Sounds like typical creep AI, same deal with Aba locusts |
| 16:08.29 | Arcane|Work | I think az is going to be buff support or super pusher, akin to zagara |
| 16:09.01 | Arcane|Work | Zagara can merc, but doesn't need to. Gaz super mercs, WD can merc, but awesome to teamfight with. Should be interesting |
| 16:09.27 | Arcane|Work | I wonder how messed up a game would be if Az and Gaz were on the same team |
| 16:12.28 | Arcane|Work | But yeah, I see Az mercing, then all out pushing with General of Hell and Demonic Invasion |
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| 16:39.49 | Dustin | I think anubarak is gonna be an assasin |
| 16:41.19 | Dustin | oh no you're right |
| 16:41.26 | Dustin | support, now that i look at his talents |
| 16:42.04 | Rommper | hey |
| 16:46.33 | Rommper | did someone tried this CascView? |
| 16:46.35 | Rommper | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/herostorm/67310-accessing-heroes-of-the-storm-models-and-data/?page=2#p30 |
| 16:53.22 | JademusSreg | And back. |
| 16:56.18 | Rommper | no one? |
| 16:56.42 | JademusSreg | Many people. |
| 16:58.42 | JademusSreg | I've got thousands of files extracted, so yeah, it works. |
| 16:59.29 | JademusSreg | Horse's mouth: http://www.zezula.net/en/casc/main.html |
| 17:02.16 | DrPhil- | JademusSreg, why don't you love me any more? |
| 17:03.46 | Rommper | and it worked without doing anything? |
| 17:03.56 | JademusSreg | So far as I recall, I didn't previously. You're just adorable. |
| 17:04.42 | Rommper | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.46 | JademusSreg | Rom, nooo, that would be magic. |
| 17:05.11 | Rommper | the ".build.db" file is missing for me |
| 17:05.26 | Rommper | thou i have the official HOTS instaled on the latest patch |
| 17:05.58 | JademusSreg | Which directory path have ya got? |
| 17:06.08 | Rommper | HeroesData |
| 17:07.44 | JademusSreg | ".build.db" would be in the directory which also contains HeroesData. |
| 17:08.34 | Rommper | i have only a .build.info |
| 17:09.03 | JademusSreg | The file has the attribute Hidden. =D |
| 17:09.11 | Rommper | oh |
| 17:09.31 | JademusSreg | Would be visible if your folder settings were configured to show hidden files, haha. |
| 17:09.47 | JademusSreg | And really, doesn't matter, it's still there regardless. |
| 17:10.10 | Rommper | now i applied hidden files |
| 17:10.14 | Rommper | but i still don't have one |
| 17:10.40 | Rommper | i have .agent.db |
| 17:10.51 | Rommper | but not build.db |
| 17:11.19 | JademusSreg | Have you played the game? Launched the client? The battlenet client? |
| 17:11.33 | Rommper | launched it |
| 17:11.41 | Rommper | until the login screen |
| 17:11.54 | Rommper | with battle net client |
| 17:12.25 | JademusSreg | The bnet desktop app or whatever silly thing they call it, that's what provides the build.db. |
| 17:12.40 | Rommper | yeah i used that to open it |
| 17:13.56 | A1win | this conversation makes my head ache |
| 17:14.07 | Arcane|Work | A1win, why? :( |
| 17:14.16 | Arcane|Work | Headaches are bad for you |
| 17:14.31 | JademusSreg | This is how it works. |
| 17:14.38 | A1win | it's like listening to a tech support call of an issue I don't care about |
| 17:14.56 | Rommper | A1win good for you |
| 17:15.01 | Arcane|Work | Fair enough, but I guess that's why I never call tech support :P |
| 17:15.01 | A1win | except it's in text, what a great analogy |
| 17:16.20 | Rommper | hmm maybe someone can upload a build.db somewhere? |
| 17:16.44 | JademusSreg | You have agent.db but not build.db? |
| 17:17.05 | Rommper | yeah |
| 17:17.59 | A1win | also I've been drinking energy drinks too frequently so I'm tired but not enough to get sleep (it's only eight anyway), I think my food had been in the fridge for a bit too long so my stomach hurts too, and I'm waiting for three separate people to reply me who I sent messages over a day ago so I'm not particularly cheerful either :| |
| 17:18.36 | A1win | I did open Unity editor for the first time in like a month though so that's good |
| 17:18.59 | A1win | fixed a couple of tiny issues, but too anxious to focus on adding features |
| 17:20.08 | Arcane|Work | I think I kind of understand why I use SC2 editor so much and why I haven't really got into Unity and stuff. SC2 is different and doesn't remind me of work and Java and stuff. |
| 17:20.20 | Arcane|Work | So its coding, but not work coding |
| 17:20.58 | A1win | being uneployed has the luxury of nothing reminding of work |
| 17:21.37 | JademusSreg | The build.db contains two 32-char width hashes, followed by some arguments, and a URL to the build. Suspect it validates the local application by comparing it to the data at the URL, updates as needed. |
| 17:22.25 | JademusSreg | But if you'd like to log on and play a game, perhaps it will generate the build.db file you desire. |=D |
| 17:23.02 | Rommper | ah so its different for everyone :/ |
| 17:23.19 | Rommper | CascView would realise this difference? |
| 17:24.14 | Rommper | oh wait |
| 17:24.23 | Rommper | i have an older version of it |
| 17:24.27 | Rommper | that has a build. db |
| 17:24.44 | Rommper | maybe if i copy that it may work |
| 17:25.08 | JademusSreg | Conspicuous, but serendipitous. =D |
| 17:26.19 | JademusSreg | The agent.db contains information about the build version number, and the most recent build's hash. |
| 17:26.48 | JademusSreg | Feel free to paste the content of your agent.db to pastebin or pastee. |
| 17:28.08 | JademusSreg | It's just a plain-old JSON format text file with a different extension. |
| 17:28.36 | JademusSreg | Open in notepad or such, select all, copy, paste to a paste site, provide link. =D |
| 17:33.07 | Rommper | http://pastebin.com/SGBDicex |
| 17:37.02 | JademusSreg | Hm, could see a potential issue. |
| 17:38.25 | Rommper | yeah? |
| 17:43.54 | JademusSreg | Well, rather obvious, you've got a "current_version", doesn't match your "build", which is 0, and hilariously indicative of less than entirely legit access. Also, it's missing "last_played", which records the unix time when you last played, which was never, because I expect you can't with a not-legit version? =D |
| 17:44.43 | Rommper | yeah never played |
| 17:44.58 | JademusSreg | But I entertain the possibility it could be caused through other errors or bugs, so not gonna babble on about the likely not-legit version you've got. |
| 17:47.29 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, can almost fashion a build.db from scratch, except 1 of the 2 hashes in it doesn't correspond to a value in agent.db, so not sure where one would find it. |
| 17:47.53 | JademusSreg | But hey, try actually logging in a and playing. |
| 17:56.03 | Rommper | i still don't have acces, you can download the client without having acces |
| 17:56.12 | Rommper | and it will appear in battle net app and patch it and everything |
| 17:56.30 | Rommper | just doesn't allow you pass the login screen |
| 17:58.35 | JademusSreg | From the bnet client, configure launch arguments, make sure it has -sso=1 |
| 18:05.00 | Rommper | where it is? |
| 18:06.45 | JademusSreg | The bnet client has an additional options menu, contains a field for custom launch arguments for al the games. |
| 18:07.42 | Rommper | added |
| 18:09.26 | JademusSreg | Usually, a variables file would define it, but I'm assuming that particular files wasn't copied over, hopefully it works. |
| 18:18.40 | Rommper | what did it supposed to do? |
| 18:19.32 | JademusSreg | That argument allows bnet client login to auto-login the account on the launched game. |
| 18:20.31 | JademusSreg | Which assumes your account was accepted into the beta. Hm. |
| 18:21.14 | Rommper | but it isn't |
| 18:21.16 | Rommper | xD |
| 18:22.26 | JademusSreg | I figured that from the beginning. Ambiguous, vague delivery of information about the problem and details, strong indicator. |
| 18:22.46 | JademusSreg | But was fun to play through. |
| 18:23.21 | Rommper | i said it at the begining |
| 18:24.00 | Rommper | still if you get a direct link you can get the official client and instal and patch it |
| 18:24.05 | JademusSreg | Anyway, perhaps the assets your seek can be found through last legitimate means. Or your can bug some folks into givng you models. Or better yet, convince someone to get your access. |
| 18:24.13 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:24.54 | Rommper | i want to browse thorugh the assets to find what is useful for a warcraft mod |
| 18:25.00 | Rommper | means medieval and warcraft stuff |
| 18:26.28 | Rommper | why couldn't remain with the mpq ... -.-" |
| 18:27.28 | A1win | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13645405/ |
| 18:27.30 | A1win | that's why |
| 18:28.51 | Rommper | read it already but still annoy this new format |
| 18:28.59 | A1win | haha |
| 18:35.20 | Rommper | blizzard realy could have give a beta key to my heart of the swarm collectors edition xD |
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| 19:11.41 | Zolden | hello, mapmakermens |
| 19:12.00 | mille25 | hello Zolden |
| 19:12.17 | Zolden | mille25 you moved to unity already? |
| 19:12.35 | mille25 | no and i have no plans to do so :D |
| 19:12.52 | Zolden | yea, u're a slave of that kickstarter's promices for years |
| 19:13.50 | mille25 | well, technically i could quit instantly and nobody really could do shit about it, but i still enjoy making the game and i think it can still work out fine. |
| 19:14.20 | Zolden | you guys a good team |
| 19:14.33 | mille25 | yeah it works out pretty well |
| 19:14.58 | Zolden | a team like yours could do alot on an engine with less limits and with a publishing environment that has billion+ potential players |
| 19:15.20 | Zolden | I saw a game with 100 fucking millions downloads that was created by a small team |
| 19:15.46 | Zolden | A1win maybe you have some good news about you and unity? |
| 19:15.51 | mille25 | one advantage we have though is that we are not directly bound to the state of the arcade. we got media contacts so we can get attention outside the arcade, which sadly isnt smth that most arcade games can really do. so even if the arcade might be a barren when we release we can still get our players back. |
| 19:15.53 | Zolden | Dustin or you? |
| 19:16.53 | Zolden | oh mille25 with your contacts you could market your unity-made game even faster... god, it would be "the glorious SCU team now made game for mobiles" |
| 19:17.03 | mille25 | considering the limits, i think this is an acceptable tradeoff in the end considering how many advantages we get, such as thousands of free models and a very well working engine. |
| 19:17.10 | Zolden | you just have potential that you can't afford to lose |
| 19:17.29 | Zolden | yea, sc2 is still pretty convincing |
| 19:17.38 | mille25 | potentially |
| 19:17.48 | mille25 | but we cant continue much longer due to finances |
| 19:18.01 | mille25 | if i was a millionaire then i would maybe spend a year learning unity and make a company with ryan or smth haha |
| 19:19.07 | Zolden | I have learned unity in 2 weeks actually, it's very smartly made, and therefore you learn like 5% and then you understabnd the whole thing and can get any additional api information in 5 sec |
| 19:19.40 | Zolden | then in 1-3 months you'd come up with a first game |
| 19:19.59 | mille25 | biggest problem would certainly be art and models. |
| 19:20.13 | Zolden | adn then just push with all your contacts to make that game acknowledged by the public, and -> $ |
| 19:20.17 | mille25 | would have to start with some shitty 2d games or smth :D |
| 19:20.41 | Zolden | yes, art took 80% of time, but I ignored asset store completely |
| 19:21.03 | mille25 | the problem i see is this |
| 19:21.10 | Zolden | shitty 2d games and mobiles are friends, you know. that game with 100M downloads is 2d |
| 19:21.12 | mille25 | even if there are thousands of models awailable in the store |
| 19:21.25 | mille25 | it would still be a challenge to find hundrets of models that actually visually fit and match together |
| 19:21.34 | Zolden | yea, true |
| 19:21.49 | Zolden | so a team would need an artist, 2d or 3d or both |
| 19:21.53 | mille25 | in SC2 you got thousands of models fitting together, that alone is pretty epic IMO. |
| 19:22.05 | mille25 | especially considering sc2 nowadads is like $30 |
| 19:22.06 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:22.17 | mille25 | quite hilarious when thinking about moba skin prices and such |
| 19:22.49 | mille25 | there is probably no game in the entire world with a higher value for the money |
| 19:22.51 | mille25 | than sc2 |
| 19:22.55 | Zolden | yea, that moba can even bring me back for 1 map if there are alot of players |
| 19:22.56 | mille25 | the campaign, the multiplayer, the editor... |
| 19:23.13 | mille25 | same was the case for wc3 back then |
| 19:23.28 | Zolden | sc2 has extreme quality |
| 19:23.31 | mille25 | damn wc4 would be so epic |
| 19:23.36 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:23.39 | mille25 | they could reuse the same engine once more and upgrade it slightly |
| 19:23.41 | Zolden | unity 5 would be so epic |
| 19:23.42 | mille25 | -> engine done |
| 19:23.45 | mille25 | -5 years :D |
| 19:24.20 | mille25 | might mess with unity some day though |
| 19:24.21 | Zolden | yea, and sc2 engine is golden, it can easily be improved since the only thing that must be improved is shaders |
| 19:24.26 | mille25 | want to learn some c# anyways |
| 19:24.50 | mille25 | yeah basically the engine itself is very powerful, just needs slight tuning and graphic improvements and some additional features. |
| 19:24.54 | mille25 | would take max 1 year to do |
| 19:25.05 | Zolden | if you know C++, you don't need to learn C#. At least I jsut started coding it with zero problems, don't think u'll have problems |
| 19:25.16 | mille25 | yeah i know |
| 19:25.21 | mille25 | by learn i mean perfecting it more than learning |
| 19:25.37 | mille25 | like, really using all the features it offers to the max and such things |
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| 19:26.31 | Zolden | yea, some things like lists and ways to sort would probably consume like a hour or two to learn them |
| 19:26.45 | Zolden | learning little thing wouldn't stop the game making process |
| 19:26.50 | Zolden | *things |
| 19:26.50 | mille25 | but c# certainly has some cool concepts |
| 19:27.14 | Zolden | it doesn't require pointers, and that is a heaven for me |
| 19:27.29 | mille25 | it still suffers ways to replace and even use them though. :D |
| 19:27.32 | mille25 | ref parameters and such |
| 19:27.33 | mille25 | pretty cool. |
| 19:27.39 | mille25 | *offers |
| 19:28.20 | Zolden | ok, guess this session of unity propaganda can be closed, I'm glad that you don't exclude the possibility of messing with unity |
| 19:28.21 | mille25 | i never understood peoples hate on pointers though |
| 19:28.45 | mille25 | basically even in c++ you dont need to use raw pointers any longer |
| 19:28.49 | Zolden | I loved to use them, but hated sometimes when a bug appears once an hour, and I can't understand why |
| 19:28.55 | mille25 | yeah |
| 19:29.03 | mille25 | basically you just need to be very careful when using them |
| 19:29.10 | mille25 | and avoid them if possible. :D |
| 19:29.16 | Zolden | yea, like a brain surgerer |
| 19:29.25 | mille25 | yeah i guess i get your point haha |
| 19:29.38 | mille25 | c++ has way worse traps than pointers though, IMO |
| 19:29.45 | mille25 | had ridiculous bugs already |
| 19:29.52 | Zolden | ok, time to publish my first game to google play |
| 19:29.58 | mille25 | printing a string resulting in an xml document gettings parsed |
| 19:30.00 | mille25 | that kind of levle. |
| 19:30.27 | Zolden | hwat's "parsed"? |
| 19:30.38 | Zolden | oh, got it |
| 19:35.15 | mille25 | just wrap your head around this |
| 19:35.18 | mille25 | i printed a string |
| 19:35.22 | mille25 | and it read an xml document |
| 19:35.29 | mille25 | and literally just uncommenting the print fixed the problem |
| 19:35.40 | mille25 | after 2 hours or so i figured out why |
| 19:35.40 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 19:36.06 | Zolden | poor chinese dudes: http://puu.sh/b0BJV/1b0de243cf.gif |
| 19:36.22 | Zolden | so much game design potential |
| 19:40.33 | Zolden | mille25 is it only me and you here? |
| 19:40.39 | Zolden | summer effect? |
| 19:40.43 | mille25 | so lonely! :( |
| 19:41.22 | Rommper | hmm |
| 19:59.49 | Arcane|Work | Well I'm here, jsut got back from lunch |
| 20:00.03 | Arcane|Work | Work is hilarious today |
| 20:05.24 | Arcane|Work | oy mille25, got any requests of things you would like implemented, small code or data or something, an example perhaps? |
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| 20:16.29 | Rommper | is there a way to divide one damage among targets |
| 20:17.23 | Rommper | like if there is one unit in the area it inflicts 60 to that one, if there are two inflicts 30-30 if there are four 15-15-15-15 |
| 20:31.26 | Rommper | btw Zolden you have Triceron's DK and Mage right? Was them finished when you get them? |
| 20:34.23 | Zolden | Rommper they look finished, but Triceron wanted to add something |
| 20:34.44 | Arcane|Work | Rommper: What you can do is the following. In the damage effect, set the damage to 1. Then set the damage max targets to 60, with recycle count to 60. What this does is it attempt to hit 60 targets. But if there is less then 60, it will redamage earlier ones (Recycle count). So if you have 1 target, it damages it, and recycles 60 times, hitting it for 61 damage. If there is is 2, it will damage them both for 1, then recycle. |
| 20:34.49 | Zolden | and I only have mage, not DK |
| 20:35.18 | Rommper | don't you know what is with him, his last update was 5 month ago :( |
| 20:35.24 | Arcane|Work | It may end up working funky with non even targets, someone will end up slightly more damaged then others |
| 20:35.40 | Zolden | Rommper motivation issues I guess :) |
| 20:35.41 | Arcane|Work | But for your purpose, it should sufficie |
| 20:35.47 | Arcane|Work | suffice* |
| 20:36.28 | Rommper | hmm i try this |
| 20:36.37 | Zolden | sometimes he shows up here, you have a chance to meet him once a month |
| 20:37.33 | Arcane|Work | ~seen Tricerion |
| 20:37.34 | purl | Arcane|Work: i haven't seen 'tricerion' |
| 20:37.49 | Zolden | ~seen Triceron |
| 20:37.49 | purl | triceron <~Triceron@S0106000c41aae21d.vc.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 10d 22h 15m 57s ago, saying: 'Yesssss, sythntastic'. |
| 20:38.07 | Rommper | his models were realy one of the pillars for my mod :/ |
| 20:38.29 | Rommper | he said 5 month ago to release dk and mage but it seems some reason he didn't |
| 20:39.26 | Zolden | maybe if ppl ask him, he'll release |
| 20:40.44 | Rommper | maybe thou i don't know him as someone who is easily convincible |
| 20:42.26 | Zolden | just hire a teenage hybrid ninja turtle to blackmail him |
| 20:42.39 | Rommper | haha |
| 20:43.41 | mille25 | just grow tits. |
| 20:44.35 | Rommper | better and better ideas :) |
| 20:52.35 | Zolden | just grow weed and relax about everything including Triceron's models |
| 20:54.52 | Rommper | i could stand some 420 tbh :) |
| 20:55.38 | Rommper | i'm just worried about that my proj will fail on the arts |
| 20:55.42 | Rommper | and atm it is xD |
| 20:56.03 | Rommper | not only on his works just |
| 20:57.05 | Rommper | our own artist is busy as hell too since last novebmer with jobs and jobs and more jobs |
| 20:57.31 | Rommper | at least Taylor had some warcraft stuff recently which boosted nicely |
| 20:58.01 | Zolden | wow, now facebook advertizing diablo 3 |
| 20:58.32 | Zolden | Merc has hundreds nicely made wow models |
| 21:00.55 | Arcane|Work | Well D3 UEE is coming out |
| 21:01.10 | Arcane|Work | PS4/XB1 version |
| 21:04.54 | Zolden | hope blizz raise more cash to afford working more on sc2 |
| 21:06.02 | Rommper | yeah, they abandoned it mostly :/ |
| 21:06.58 | mille25 | they are silently working on lotv. .D |
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| 21:08.31 | Zolden | protoss are pathos clowns |
| 21:08.56 | Zolden | ridiculously dramatic |
| 21:11.47 | Rommper | well hope they will do some good stuff for lotv |
| 21:12.00 | Rommper | i excpected a bit more from hots |
| 21:12.10 | Rommper | especialy after got collectors edition >< |
| 21:14.02 | Rommper | and get some good feature |
| 21:14.05 | Rommper | like selection limit |
| 21:14.37 | Rommper | thou have a trigger for it but as an actual data option it would be better |
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| 21:22.14 | Zolden | a couple of screens of my unity shmup: http://i.snag.gy/4aTFy.jpg http://i.snag.gy/jN4aG.jpg |
| 21:22.55 | Rommper | its truly Arcade :D |
| 21:25.20 | Zolden | yea |
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| 21:53.51 | Zolden | Bounty how niggs doing? |
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| 22:07.26 | Dustin|Work | Helllo |
| 22:07.47 | RipperRoo | Hello |
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| 22:23.48 | Rommper | thanks for the help ppl, goodnight |
| 22:32.31 | pirate | your welcome |
| 22:55.15 | Zolden | 3.14rate |
| 22:57.29 | pirate | yes |
| 23:21.29 | JademusSreg | =D |
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