| 01:24.47 | Dustin|Work | Blarggg |
| 01:24.52 | Dustin|Work | Hows everyone doing this fine evening |
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| 02:21.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:00.19 | Dustin|Work | Sup Jade! |
| 03:01.40 | JademusSreg | Stuff. =D |
| 03:03.00 | Dustin|Work | fun fun! |
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| 03:03.17 | Dustin|Work | Sup arcane |
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| 05:00.18 | ArcanePariah | Interesting story on the Arcade site |
| 05:00.22 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:00.29 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net//arcade/en/blog/15235394 |
| 05:00.54 | ArcanePariah | and part 2 |
| 05:00.55 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net//arcade/en/blog/15333868 |
| 05:01.44 | JademusSreg | Cute. |
| 05:01.49 | ArcanePariah | Relatively fast time to learn and implement stuff in the editor. |
| 05:03.49 | ArcanePariah | I almost get the feeling sometimes that SC2 is perfect for doing prototyping |
| 05:04.07 | ArcanePariah | Since you can build stuff up relatively fast, if you keep it simple |
| 05:04.24 | ArcanePariah | Its the boiler plate stuff and slog that I think burns people out on it. |
| 05:05.37 | JademusSreg | Yup. Galaxy script, more plates to boil than at which ya can shake a boiled plate. |
| 05:06.00 | ArcanePariah | Well that, but the data boilerplate |
| 05:06.16 | ArcanePariah | Multiple levels of abilities (which is really what duplicate REALLY helps with) |
| 05:08.42 | JademusSreg | Bleh. |
| 05:09.45 | JademusSreg | Lack of arithmetic capability accounts for that issue. |
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| 05:12.43 | ArcanePariah | sup turtles1 |
| 05:15.27 | JademusSreg | Ironically, the data which effectively supports arithmetic has rather constrained use (Requirements & RequirementNodes). |
| 05:16.02 | JademusSreg | If value fields could reference, say, a Formula data type, that shit would be fanfuckingtastic. |
| 05:16.46 | JademusSreg | I'd go so far as to say it would be the single most useful addition possible. |
| 05:19.16 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm |
| 05:19.37 | ArcanePariah | These article reinforce my belief that the editor isn't really suited for a single person, it is entirely geared for a team. |
| 05:20.44 | JademusSreg | Yes, given that distributing the work with a team is the only sensible way to get shit done in a reasonable amount of time. |
| 05:21.15 | turtles1 | Hi ArcanePariah |
| 05:21.24 | JademusSreg | Simple shit can take a long time, polishing it takes longer still. |
| 05:24.06 | turtles1 | ArcanePariah I was talking about an AI function I couldn't get to work earlier and people suggested you |
| 05:24.25 | turtles1 | know how to use GetMaker? |
| 05:24.56 | ArcanePariah | No, but I can sort it out probably :D |
| 05:26.09 | turtles1 | lol |
| 05:27.15 | turtles1 | trying to find the unit type which produces x |
| 05:28.15 | turtles1 | AIDefaultGetMaker - Returns the ID of the unit type that directly makes the specified object for a player. Same as the script version, except this version cannot be modified to handle custom requirements. |
| 05:28.40 | turtles1 | AIGetMaker - Returns the ID of the unit type that directly makes the specified object for a player. Same as the default/code version, except this version could potentially be modified to handle custom requirements. |
| 05:29.24 | turtles1 | first I was trying to use the default version. using the input "SCV" causes the game to freeze and eventually crash with an option to send a crash report |
| 05:29.52 | turtles1 | and providing the string "/units/name/SCV" simply returns an empty string |
| 05:30.47 | turtles1 | Now I'm having a look at the second function AIGetMaker but can't get the inputs to work. will not compile when trying to save |
| 05:32.14 | turtles1 | I get a message Invalid parameter, possibly an incorrect variable name |
| 05:47.03 | ArcanePariah | Ok, this may be a slightly dumb question, but is there any AI players on your map? |
| 05:47.16 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, I too got a crash with SCV |
| 05:47.31 | ArcanePariah | However, Marine worked fine |
| 05:49.14 | turtles1 | which does marine work with? the defualt version of the function? |
| 05:49.19 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 05:49.27 | ArcanePariah | So does Probe and Drone |
| 05:49.43 | ArcanePariah | Both correctly returned Nexus and Larva respectively |
| 05:50.15 | turtles1 | I was using test map and the default test map has an AI, yes |
| 05:50.46 | turtles1 | scv can be built from command centre, orbital command AND planetary fortress |
| 05:51.01 | turtles1 | I wonder if that's the issue |
| 05:51.24 | turtles1 | I'll try it with a queen, see if that causes a problem |
| 05:53.33 | ArcanePariah | That indeed is the problem |
| 05:53.43 | ArcanePariah | Added reaper to command center train, and it crashed |
| 05:54.12 | ArcanePariah | So that function has the caveat that it must resolve to a unique answer. |
| 05:57.24 | ArcanePariah | Welp, I'm off to sleep, quite fascinating that the editor is finding uses in an academic setting. |
| 05:57.26 | turtles1 | cool. Thanks. I just was testing with SCV. didn't realize it would work with other units |
| 05:57.32 | turtles1 | link? |
| 05:58.42 | turtles1 | oh and goodnight |
| 05:59.32 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net//arcade/en/blog/15235394 and http://us.battle.net//arcade/en/blog/15333868 |
| 05:59.39 | ArcanePariah | Good night :D |
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| 14:16.54 | Goa_ | http://www.wired.com/2014/08/man-builds-working-hard-drive-inside-minecraft/ |
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| 15:02.41 | JademusSreg | Zoople. |
| 15:05.00 | Dustin | Supo |
| 15:08.07 | JademusSreg | Observation: Wired articles often exclude technically informative detail and glaze over otherwise interesting subjects with fascile description. Hypothesis: Wired editorial direction assumes its readers are idiots and/or uninterested in technical detail. |
| 15:09.08 | JademusSreg | I was surprised the article even contained '"1" or "0"'. |
| 15:20.21 | Arcane|Work | Good morning |
| 15:20.56 | Arcane|Work | Sadly, too much stuff today relies on quantity over quality, probably because quality is often subjective. |
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| 15:21.27 | Arcane|Work | In the Wired case, better to have a larger audience, since their payments and income are based on quantity of viewers, not quality. |
| 15:22.32 | Goa_ | yeah Jade, Wired got too popular, its pretty shity these days cause that... |
| 15:22.51 | Arcane|Work | Also, business has some bizarre weird obsession with growth. Thankfully their are companies out there that escape such predilictions. Normally means becoming a monopolist or becoming an essential middle man. A classical example is Dow Chemical, a firm most never hear about, but is effectively everywhere. |
| 15:23.57 | Arcane|Work | Since they are the sole provider of many feedstock chemicals. Like they provide ALL the aspirin in the world, since they alone make 95% of the salacylic acid necessary for it |
| 15:24.02 | Zandose | ^interesting |
| 15:24.29 | Arcane|Work | They also provide a ton of Sulfuric Acid for many industrial processes. |
| 15:25.11 | Goa_ | I think many people know about Dow cause Bhopal disaster.... |
| 15:26.00 | Arcane|Work | Ermm, that was Union Carbide I thought? |
| 15:26.25 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, Union Carbide owned that. |
| 15:26.46 | Arcane|Work | Dow bought them 17 years after the disaster |
| 15:28.48 | Goa_ | Yeah but Dow bought the legal stuff with it... and people still trying to bring to trials the company... |
| 15:30.56 | Arcane|Work | Yep |
| 15:31.13 | Arcane|Work | Gotta love lawsuits |
| 15:31.49 | Arcane|Work | Its funny, for as much as we love our gun, we Americans sure do a ton of suing. |
| 15:31.53 | Arcane|Work | guns* |
| 15:32.18 | Arcane|Work | Almost feels like a national pasttime: if you care about anything, sue. |
| 15:33.20 | Arcane|Work | Hmm, wonder when the frog will be by. |
| 15:33.24 | Arcane|Work | or the pirate |
| 15:33.32 | Arcane|Work | or the duck |
| 15:44.02 | Zandose | is it possible to reverse a models animation in-game? |
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| 15:51.15 | Arcane|Work | Zandose: Do you mean play it backwards? |
| 15:51.21 | Zandose | yes |
| 15:51.50 | Zandose | i want to use a cloud animation, slow is down a lot, then at some point play it backwards |
| 15:52.34 | Arcane|Work | Hmm... good questions. There is an actor message that lets you set the time left in an animation, so the animation can be set to its end state. I'm not aware as of current if there is a method to set the animation play direction |
| 15:54.18 | Arcane|Work | fires up the editor |
| 15:54.20 | Ahli | any news on the unit in portrait problem? |
| 15:54.36 | Arcane|Work | Reness code was insufficient? |
| 15:55.05 | Ahli | I tried 2 ways, both failed... but I don't really know what I'm doing =/ |
| 15:55.11 | Arcane|Work | Ahh |
| 15:55.29 | Ahli | I've no experience with actor reference stuff |
| 15:55.53 | Arcane|Work | Unfortunetly I can not test at this current time but I can examine the code again and see if I can derive a solution |
| 15:56.16 | Arcane|Work | I'll consider it my first data/trigger request :D |
| 15:57.43 | Arcane|Work | Going to take data/trigger requests, like how Delph is currently taking model requests, and placing everything in a public mod |
| 15:58.00 | Arcane|Work | So people can link against it and have some semblance of shared stuff. |
| 15:58.35 | Arcane|Work | Why no one has done this before, I'll never understand, but I digress... |
| 15:59.02 | Arcane|Work | Actor references are basically the actor version of variables |
| 15:59.06 | Arcane|Work | or pointers |
| 15:59.18 | JademusSreg | Arc & Zan, the proven but clunky solution involves manually identifying the animation keyframes and setting the animation at that frame, blending in the next keyframe so the automatic interpolation handles the interim. |
| 15:59.28 | Ahli | which references do actors use by default, e.g. a unit actor? |
| 16:00.05 | Arcane|Work | If you look at any actor selection, you will see there is 5 options: Actor, Alias, Custom, System, Reference. Under System is the default references |
| 16:00.38 | Arcane|Work | Every actor has several defaults. They do NOT necessarily have a value, just like a pointer may point no where |
| 16:00.51 | Arcane|Work | For instance, there is a Host reference |
| 16:01.19 | Arcane|Work | Which of course, an actor may not have a host. |
| 16:02.08 | Zandose | can a models animation be slowed down in-game? |
| 16:02.20 | Arcane|Work | Unit actors come with a ::Main reference, which gets the main actor of that scope. |
| 16:02.25 | Arcane|Work | Zandose: yes |
| 16:02.30 | Arcane|Work | See Animation time scale |
| 16:02.45 | Arcane|Work | It can be set on a per model, peranimation or globally |
| 16:02.55 | Arcane|Work | By default the global timescale is used |
| 16:04.47 | Zandose | changing the Animation time scale doesnt seem to do anything |
| 16:09.33 | Arcane|Work | paste the xml |
| 16:09.38 | Arcane|Work | or do a screenshot |
| 16:09.43 | Zandose | using the trigger editor |
| 16:11.15 | Arcane|Work | Grr, why is when I need it I can't remeber the site where you can paste sc2 code... |
| 16:11.28 | Arcane|Work | its like peegui.de or something like that... |
| 16:11.40 | Zandose | google paste |
| 16:13.48 | Arcane|Work | Anyhow, just paste your script code for now |
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| 16:16.23 | Arcane|Work | Ahli: Welcome back. Do you remember what the name of the site where you can paste Jass/Galaxy GUI code? |
| 16:16.38 | Arcane|Work | I know its a german site, but can't quite remember the URL :( |
| 16:16.38 | Ahli | peeeq |
| 16:16.48 | Arcane|Work | Duh.. damm, why can I never remember that. |
| 16:17.00 | Ahli | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 16:17.38 | Arcane|Work | Ok Zandose go there, select your script in GUI, and copy as text into that |
| 16:17.49 | Ahli | =/ I can't get windows updates here... it's a win8.1-only problem o0 |
| 16:18.30 | Arcane|Work | Pfft, just wait for windows 9 |
| 16:18.37 | Zandose | @Arcane you cant use http://pastebin.com/? |
| 16:18.40 | Arcane|Work | Plus windows doesn't need as many updates now adays |
| 16:18.45 | Arcane|Work | I can, use either |
| 16:18.58 | Arcane|Work | Just paste me the code so I can take a look at what you are tryign to do |
| 16:19.43 | Zandose | k |
| 16:19.50 | Ahli | well, it's weird as it works in my appartment just fine... just the LTE router at my mother's house seems to block it somehow. |
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| 16:20.40 | Arcane|Work | Well, it is possible it is due to NAT, since most Telecoms use CGN and that tends to break shit. |
| 16:20.43 | Zandose | http://pastebin.com/HsEAir8v |
| 16:20.51 | EntityEnigma | is there a efficient way to match an impact animation with the radius of a search area? |
| 16:21.32 | Arcane|Work | EntityEnigma: Possibly, with a splat actor |
| 16:21.49 | Arcane|Work | Since those can scale to an effect size (see AoE targeting cursors as an example). |
| 16:21.51 | EntityEnigma | ah yeah ok cool |
| 16:22.09 | Arcane|Work | So instead of a standard Model actor, you would use a splat actor for the impact |
| 16:22.26 | EntityEnigma | oh wow can you do that? |
| 16:22.38 | EntityEnigma | it works i mean? |
| 16:23.39 | Arcane|Work | I do not know if it works, but nothing says you HAVE to use a given type of actor for impact. Just see the field for Impact Actor Model, and change that, it has a default. |
| 16:23.39 | JademusSreg | considers how best to deliver arbitrary content to a flash player on local client. |
| 16:24.00 | Arcane|Work | slaps JademusSreg for thinking about such subjects |
| 16:24.28 | Arcane|Work | Arbitrary content = arbitrary code execution = lol security. |
| 16:24.54 | JademusSreg | response to POST "slap" with GET "air". |
| 16:25.27 | Arcane|Work | Pfft, still is arbitrary code execution, unless you are whitelisting the content. |
| 16:25.52 | JademusSreg | Naw, in this case, it's not so much arbitrary code execution, but rather I've nearly dominated some cute little game on the tail end of my minivacation, and want to do something fun with it. |
| 16:25.52 | Ahli | sees difference in firmware on router and on website. Router's update function states it would already be up to date. Ahli puts new firmware on it regardless. New firmware online, executes update search function with new firmware, router stops responding., but internet still works... =/ |
| 16:26.14 | Arcane|Work | Flash had enough security screwups already, what you get for desiging something for designers and just waving away the computer stuff. |
| 16:27.05 | Arcane|Work | Zandose: Try just doing one of those, use the native animation functions |
| 16:27.06 | JademusSreg | Haha, yes, but in this case, not related to what I'm doing. Not yet, anyway. |
| 16:28.28 | JademusSreg | JSON is provided to the player in response from the server, its data basically configures everything, including the levels. If I can get it to load my mod json files, I can have my way with it. |
| 16:28.37 | JademusSreg | *flash player |
| 16:29.16 | JademusSreg | So I'm considering how best to approach it. =D |
| 16:29.41 | JademusSreg | But enough about that, people need our help. And by "our", I mean "your". |
| 16:30.13 | EntityEnigma | what determins the sight radius of a unit on death |
| 16:30.23 | EntityEnigma | is that in the unit data? |
| 16:30.49 | Arcane|Work | yes |
| 16:32.00 | Arcane|Work | Death Reveal Radius |
| 16:32.20 | EntityEnigma | what could the issue be if Combat: Death reaveal radius is set to 3 but nothing happens when the unit dies |
| 16:32.34 | Arcane|Work | Because you need to change the reveal type |
| 16:32.37 | Arcane|Work | It defaults to snapshot |
| 16:33.01 | EntityEnigma | omg thx |
| 16:33.06 | Arcane|Work | Which gives a snapshot actor creation of things seen, but does not actually reveal the terrain nor the synchonous state of units in the area |
| 16:33.46 | Arcane|Work | Thanks JademusSreg for volunteering me :P |
| 16:34.37 | Arcane|Work | Now, for you, how best to organize my insane idea of creatign a community driven dependency. Organize each requestors triggers into their own libs? Make one giant lib and tag each function/trigger/etc.? |
| 16:34.46 | EntityEnigma | er hmm fog of war still covering instanly |
| 16:35.01 | JademusSreg | Haha, I'm not so much volunterring you as observing your vast abundance of patience. =D |
| 16:35.21 | Arcane|Work | Death Reveal Duration is non zero EntityEnigma? |
| 16:35.32 | JademusSreg | "erring", self-drmonstrating typographical error. |
| 16:35.45 | EntityEnigma | its set to 4.0 |
| 16:35.46 | Zandose | the the pasted code i've tried them all by themselves and and together. |
| 16:36.07 | EntityEnigma | oh maybe its caue of filters |
| 16:36.22 | Arcane|Work | Possibly, filters would make things not appear. |
| 16:36.39 | EntityEnigma | hmm only enemy is excluded |
| 16:36.39 | JademusSreg | Oh, Ahli, I meant to ask about the mpq shit earlier. |
| 16:37.10 | JademusSreg | I wanted to know if the "not working" mpq had many files added/removed. |
| 16:39.05 | Arcane|Work | Zandose: The very last one should work, since you are specifying the Stand animation, for the actor, and setting its Time Scale to 1000. |
| 16:39.15 | JademusSreg | The "not working" example with only one file added, while funny, wasn't quite informative. =D |
| 16:40.31 | EntityEnigma | oh yeah it was filters |
| 16:40.34 | Arcane|Work | However, I would double check that the model you are using has a stand animation and it is the one you want to accelerate |
| 16:40.44 | EntityEnigma | thx arcane |
| 16:40.49 | Zandose | i will test later on. ty |
| 16:41.20 | Arcane|Work | Your welcome :D |
| 16:41.47 | Arcane|Work | So JademusSreg, thoughts? |
| 16:42.53 | JademusSreg | I have many, but about what specifically? |
| 16:43.12 | Arcane|Work | Now, for you, how best to organize my insane idea of creatign a community driven dependency. Organize each requestors triggers into their own libs? Make one giant lib and tag each function/trigger/etc.? |
| 16:43.37 | Arcane|Work | Also, for all present in channel, any requests? |
| 16:44.00 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:44.18 | Arcane|Work | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/70057-found-the-development-team-part-2/#p1 |
| 16:44.21 | EntityEnigma | requests? |
| 16:44.31 | JademusSreg | Github, of course. |
| 16:44.51 | Arcane|Work | I mean within the editor itself, since people will be using the GUI |
| 16:45.22 | Arcane|Work | Got to remember, most here are NOT pro software people, Github may as well not exist. |
| 16:45.38 | EntityEnigma | im a pro software noob |
| 16:45.40 | EntityEnigma | yup |
| 16:45.55 | EntityEnigma | but git is awesome |
| 16:46.01 | Arcane|Work | Plus, tooling is already a complex task, trying to keep thing simple. |
| 16:46.06 | Arcane|Work | (Relatively) |
| 16:46.08 | JademusSreg | And you'll need -minimum- two components before you promote, since otherwise it'll lack any clear convention on how components should be added and interact. |
| 16:46.18 | JademusSreg | Naw, this doesn't exclude GUI, silly. |
| 16:46.44 | Arcane|Work | Ok, so how does Git help exactly? It is all in one mod dependency |
| 16:48.06 | EntityEnigma | would i be able to request something like a unit model or are you gonna stick strictly to data |
| 16:48.10 | Arcane|Work | Overall Goal: Have a singular dependency anyone can link against for common code, as well as share code among other mappers. This can include data. Reasoning: People are capped at upload slots, having a singular common code depenency for common functionality allows code reuses and save slots. |
| 16:48.37 | Arcane|Work | If you are talking about creating models, see Delphimums thread here: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/69577-found-the-develop-team-ourselvers/ |
| 16:48.45 | JademusSreg | Save as .SC2Components, so the archive structure is unpacked as a directory, slap it on github (public repo), and this'll allow users to access it, all the content will be version controlled, including the GUI -and- galaxy script. |
| 16:49.07 | Arcane|Work | He/She/It (the almighty frog) is doing models. |
| 16:49.16 | JademusSreg | Nanakey. |
| 16:49.16 | EntityEnigma | alrighty ty |
| 16:49.34 | Arcane|Work | Ok, and when I need to publish, just resave as a mod? Or doe the editor let you publish even when its saved as sc2components? |
| 16:49.47 | Ahli | JademusSreg: I added one file, but updating a file breaks it, too |
| 16:50.27 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, have to resave as mod for each upload. Annoying, wonder if there is a way to script it... |
| 16:50.31 | JademusSreg | Yes, I suspect it has to do with the block table size allocation. |
| 16:51.06 | JademusSreg | Ahli, test the Compress Archive operation, see if that helps. |
| 16:51.14 | Ahli | no |
| 16:51.36 | Ahli | doesn't help, I tried that too... also different amounts of max file settings |
| 16:52.35 | Ahli | in version 250, the mpq looses its internal listfile. in 259 it seems correct and the game sees it as a valid interface in the gameplay options, but it doesn't load it ingame |
| 16:52.46 | JademusSreg | Test simply changing a .SC2Interface file extension and all explicit SC2 reference to herostorm stuff. |
| 16:53.08 | Ahli | that's what I did before, that's how created the first version that I then kept updating |
| 16:53.11 | Ahli | until it broke |
| 16:53.14 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:53.17 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 16:53.46 | JademusSreg | I wonder if perhaps the actual problem occured at version 256. |
| 16:58.35 | JademusSreg | Gotta thin the herd of variables, determine the cause. =D |
| 17:00.38 | Arcane|Work | Are we trying to load a SC2Interface into a Storm game? |
| 17:01.34 | JademusSreg | I'm attempting to determine the cause of Ahli's unexpected mpq failure. =D |
| 17:03.45 | JademusSreg | If the problem does occur at version 256 (assuming this is a counter in the mpq and not one of its files), suggests the byte width is greater than herostorm's mpq spec allows. |
| 17:04.35 | JademusSreg | Seems rather unlikely, but possible. |
| 17:42.32 | greybeard | I would be so happy if Mr.Delphinum made the player Resistor model |
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| 17:44.58 | Arcane|Work | So pirate, any requests? |
| 17:46.19 | greybeard | make blizzard add HotS-styled smartcast to SC2 so I can take out the hacky bits of Resistor code? |
| 17:47.16 | Arcane|Work | Remind me how that works again? |
| 17:49.15 | greybeard | it's a shortcut that removes the aiming segment of a targeted ability |
| 17:49.33 | greybeard | keypress > ability fires at current mouse position |
| 17:49.50 | greybeard | loan me a car so I can get more driving experience before I start applying to canadian gov't jobs? |
| 17:52.27 | Arcane|Work | Well my requests were more stemming from this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/70057-found-the-development-team-part-2/?unread |
| 17:52.40 | Arcane|Work | Which was kind of inspired by this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/69577-found-the-develop-team-ourselvers/?unread |
| 17:52.52 | Arcane|Work | And also my internship is ending, so I have some time. Figured, why not? |
| 17:53.10 | greybeard | aye |
| 17:53.53 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 17:54.48 | JademusSreg | pir, could be doable in a no-horrible way. |
| 17:54.52 | JademusSreg | *not |
| 17:55.18 | greybeard | I would create a UI driven unit status bar asset to expand on http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/51320-health-and-energy-bars-not-a-status-frame/#p13 for your dependency |
| 17:55.57 | greybeard | @Jade http://i.imgur.com/n59taX6.gif |
| 17:56.39 | JademusSreg | The easy part is the data; one may simply hijack the Self-target hotkeys, validate from the effect tree. |
| 17:58.13 | JademusSreg | The variable part is determining how one would want to update a synchronous entity (unit, yeah) to mouse world position. |
| 17:58.53 | JademusSreg | Most straight forward is to simply move a unit to the mouse world position via code each tick, forevar. |
| 17:59.01 | Arcane|Work | Ugly as hell |
| 17:59.04 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 17:59.15 | greybeard | I don't want to ever touch mouse world position events live |
| 17:59.31 | greybeard | they shiver my timbers |
| 17:59.48 | Arcane|Work | Would have to have 1 per player, each in a thread, with repeat forever loop |
| 17:59.53 | JademusSreg | Because then the Self-target hotkey works, and its validated branch of the effect tree can simply target that synced unit. |
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| 18:00.08 | JademusSreg | Silly, all in a single thread. |
| 18:00.18 | Arcane|Work | Self Target hotkey? Are we referring to thing you and I figured out last year? |
| 18:00.26 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 18:00.32 | Rommper | hello |
| 18:00.40 | Arcane|Work | Hmm true, could self target and offset somehow? |
| 18:00.44 | JademusSreg | Solves pir's problem in a not-terrible way. |
| 18:01.20 | greybeard | I would rather just wait for blizzard to patch |
| 18:01.38 | JademusSreg | Like I said, have its branch of the effect tree (validates if the target is Self, easy) apply an effect which searches and finds the mouse-synced unit. |
| 18:02.23 | Arcane|Work | SO basically a search followed by an issue order effect? |
| 18:02.56 | Arcane|Work | AS for the multiple threads, I was referring to the fact you would need 1 unit and a thread per player |
| 18:03.49 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 18:03.59 | JademusSreg | To both. |
| 18:04.03 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:05.42 | greybeard | I fear this would over-complicate my already complex effect trees |
| 18:10.58 | Rommper | Can i ask a question people? Is there a way to make load unload ability ignore height |
| 18:12.00 | Rommper | or cliffs |
| 18:12.09 | Arcane|Work | Rommper: Always, we are always listening. What do you mean by ignore height? Do you want the units to unload to the same height, regardless of the actual height of the terrain? |
| 18:12.37 | Rommper | well more like i want the unit to load and unload on cliff |
| 18:13.01 | Rommper | without the said unit walk onto that cliff |
| 18:14.47 | Arcane|Work | Hmm... |
| 18:15.15 | Arcane|Work | So you wish to unload on a cliff tile, but the unit is to then be placed elsewhere, near the cliff? |
| 18:16.22 | Rommper | the transporter walk on the base level and there is a cliff level where other units walk |
| 18:17.14 | Rommper | i want the transporter to load units from the cliff level while still remain on the base level then on other cliffs he can unload the units |
| 18:17.25 | Arcane|Work | Ahh |
| 18:17.32 | Arcane|Work | What you need to do is 2 things. |
| 18:17.33 | Rommper | think about the cliffs as island or something |
| 18:17.58 | Arcane|Work | 1) You will need to change the range of the load/unload, allowing the transport ability to pickup and drop off units at a distance |
| 18:18.18 | Rommper | i put it around 3 |
| 18:19.05 | Rommper | 2nd? |
| 18:19.18 | Arcane|Work | Next up, you will want a validator for the unload and load, that only permits unloading to the cliff height you want. There is a validator for doing comparing location height as well as cliff level |
| 18:19.48 | Arcane|Work | You would add it the Load and Unload validators in the Transport ability |
| 18:20.12 | Arcane|Work | This will force the ability to find valid spots to unload, and if it can't, they won't unload and it will display an error |
| 18:20.53 | Rommper | so then i should raise more the range |
| 18:21.02 | Arcane|Work | One word of warning, the range for the load nad unload is from the CENTER of the unit, so take that into account |
| 18:21.20 | Arcane|Work | Probably |
| 18:21.23 | Arcane|Work | 3 is not very far |
| 18:21.48 | Rommper | thank you |
| 18:21.50 | Rommper | i try it |
| 18:22.01 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 18:22.08 | Rommper | raise and then if work go on the validator |
| 18:22.11 | Arcane|Work | And I take that somewhat back, the load range is from the edge of unit, as evidenced by bunkers. |
| 18:22.47 | Arcane|Work | JademusSreg: I still like that trick in Storm, with the Dragon Knight just being a transport ability |
| 18:23.12 | Arcane|Work | Create Unit + Load Hero in |
| 18:24.31 | JademusSreg | Alright, if one simply wants to avoid excess effect tree complexity (though it's really just 1 or 2 effects inserted at the root), can be handled with code. Input capture + trigger to catch the order targeting self and one simply makes it target the mouse world position instead. |
| 18:26.14 | EntityEnigma | hey Arcane|Work would i be able to request some abilities on your thread? |
| 18:26.26 | Arcane|Work | Sure |
| 18:26.31 | JademusSreg | Arc, regarding my double-naw, I meant the search effect would be rather a brief tangent from the main effect tree, would apply the next effect in the sequence with reassigned Location references. |
| 18:26.33 | EntityEnigma | sweet |
| 18:27.04 | Arcane|Work | Ahh, so just basically altering the source/target of the tree |
| 18:27.48 | JademusSreg | And the other naw was for n-player threads ; only need one update thread, iterate the given playergroup, simple. |
| 18:27.52 | Arcane|Work | EntityEnigma: I'll be creating either tags or various libraries, so you know what stuff is whose. Feel free to use others stuff, when/if it comes along, since we all can learn from what other people are doing. |
| 18:27.54 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:28.19 | EntityEnigma | sounds great |
| 18:28.34 | Arcane|Work | True, but doesn't that mean if 3 people fire off abilities at once, the order of execution will not reflect order of usage? |
| 18:28.35 | EntityEnigma | im not familar with tags and libraries though |
| 18:28.47 | Arcane|Work | You shall see |
| 18:29.07 | JademusSreg | Same tick, so distinction without meaningful technical difference. |
| 18:29.09 | Arcane|Work | Look at how things in the built in is ordered, with AI, General, Math, Unit, etc. |
| 18:29.09 | EntityEnigma | ok cool |
| 18:29.23 | Arcane|Work | Tags are for organizing, I think they are called labels |
| 18:31.43 | Rommper | hmm it seems to me the range change doesn't enough, i put it to range 20 still can't load from cliff |
| 18:32.43 | Arcane|Work | Rommper: What does it give for an error? |
| 18:32.59 | Arcane|Work | OR what behavior is exhibited? |
| 18:33.01 | Rommper | nothing |
| 18:33.24 | Rommper | simply it try to reach the unit but can't so stop ty loading the unit |
| 18:34.02 | Arcane|Work | Check the Target Filters and Target Sorts |
| 18:35.27 | Rommper | required: visible excluded: hidden, buried, air |
| 18:35.31 | Rommper | everything else allowed |
| 18:35.41 | Arcane|Work | Ok, and I'm assuming the cargo is setup as well? |
| 18:35.54 | JademusSreg | wonders how many data types support the flag Same Cliff Level. |
| 18:36.05 | Arcane|Work | IE Cargo Count Maximum, Cargo Count Size Maximum, Cargo Size? |
| 18:36.41 | Rommper | yes it is |
| 18:38.23 | Rommper | space and count is 6 |
| 18:38.27 | Arcane|Work | Ahh, set the Ignore Blockers flag |
| 18:38.42 | Rommper | size maximum 8 so other transport can't pick up it |
| 18:38.56 | Arcane|Work | I think by default the ability uses the pathing of the transport for determining load targeting. Setting that flag should override that. |
| 18:39.47 | Rommper | already flagged that :( |
| 18:48.01 | Arcane|Work | Hmm |
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| 18:50.03 | Rommper | no its not enough to raise range |
| 18:50.09 | Rommper | i'm thinking about something |
| 18:50.33 | Rommper | could i make a fake load unload ability? |
| 18:51.18 | Rommper | for example when i hit unload the units are teleported to the target place? |
| 18:51.30 | Rommper | if there is no other solutions |
| 18:53.35 | Arcane|Work | Oh, are we having difficulty with load target or loadall? |
| 18:54.04 | Arcane|Work | IF this is for loadall, need to set the search radius as well. |
| 18:54.13 | Rommper | load target |
| 18:54.28 | Arcane|Work | Hmm.... |
| 18:54.35 | Rommper | but i also raised search radius aswell |
| 18:55.02 | Arcane|Work | Unfortunetely I can not test stuff currently, but put a request in on SC2 in my thread and I'll see about getting a working example. |
| 18:57.11 | Arcane|Work | SC2Mapster* |
| 18:57.21 | Rommper | which thrad is yours? |
| 18:58.57 | Rommper | thread* |
| 19:01.45 | Arcane|Work | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/70057-found-the-development-team-part-2/#p1 |
| 19:04.49 | Rommper | okay wrote there, thank you |
| 19:05.08 | Rommper | btw did someone see Triceron around the chat? |
| 19:08.34 | greybeard | gameplay/design/balance question: currently bombs explode after 8 seconds or 0.5 seconds after being attacked. When bombs become damaged, they are "kicked" away from the damage source at a distance determined by the amount of damage taken. |
| 19:08.39 | greybeard | ex: http://giant.gfycat.com/HonorableFakeAmericanpainthorse.gif |
| 19:09.05 | greybeard | should bombs be able to "kicked" multiple times? |
| 19:10.12 | greybeard | I suppose the decision isnt so large that it's not irreversible within an afternoon |
| 19:10.41 | greybeard | but either way is going to have some "pirate's got some work to do" implications |
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| 19:48.11 | Dustin|Work | hola |
| 19:48.58 | turtles1 | hello |
| 19:50.17 | Rommper | hey |
| 19:56.22 | turtles1 | I'm trying to play a sounds I created and imported. I created a "sound" for them in the data module and put the asset file as the imported sound and they play fine |
| 19:57.05 | turtles1 | but I need to be able to reference them by their name so I can manipulate strings to figure out which sound to play |
| 19:57.53 | turtles1 | but the string to reference them is wrong |
| 19:58.16 | Rommper | what way you want to play them? |
| 19:59.20 | turtles1 | I'm using play sound. |
| 19:59.20 | turtles1 | for example I have a sound called "SALT SCV" |
| 19:59.49 | turtles1 | but when I use game link to string and use that game link I get scv |
| 20:00.01 | turtles1 | for SALT barraks I get scv2 |
| 20:00.12 | turtles1 | and SALT marine = scv22 |
| 20:00.41 | Rommper | you want to play them via trigger or by data when there is a specific event? |
| 20:00.48 | turtles1 | trigger |
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| 20:02.41 | Rommper | then when you create the action play music |
| 20:02.50 | Rommper | you can find all musics done in data in the value field |
| 20:03.16 | EntityEnigma | okay |
| 20:03.37 | turtles1 | When I have a marine I want to play the sound "SALT marine", when I have a thor I want to play the sound "SALT thor" etcetcetc |
| 20:03.45 | EntityEnigma | Arcane|Work: I've posted a couple requests |
| 20:04.00 | EntityEnigma | let me know if they arent detailed enough and I'll edit them |
| 20:04.01 | Rommper | what does SALT mean? |
| 20:04.18 | turtles1 | so what I'm doing is combining two strings "SALT " and the unit name to get the sound I want to play |
| 20:04.37 | turtles1 | however it is unable to find the sound |
| 20:04.56 | turtles1 | even though those exist in the sound tab in data module |
| 20:05.33 | turtles1 | So to test it I am printing the string output from the function game link to string for these sounds |
| 20:05.58 | Rommper | when does the sound fire in the game? |
| 20:05.59 | turtles1 | and am getting different strings |
| 20:06.12 | turtles1 | when I want it to |
| 20:06.47 | Rommper | when you want it to? |
| 20:07.13 | turtles1 | I'm wondering why the name of the sounds in the data module is different than the output I get from "convert gamelink to string" |
| 20:07.29 | Rommper | but why do you convert it into string? |
| 20:07.44 | Rommper | why dont you just find your sound from the value list |
| 20:07.59 | turtles1 | I need to be able to use a string to get the sound |
| 20:09.50 | turtles1 | I'm using the trigger GUI and I can see the sound link "SALT marine" and I can play the sound link "SALT marine" just fine |
| 20:09.59 | turtles1 | but in game it is called something different |
| 20:12.48 | turtles1 | Sorry, I know I probably sound half crazy |
| 20:13.06 | turtles1 | let me provide a few screenshots so you see what I mean |
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| 20:16.44 | turtles1 | what's that site you can paste trigger code to from the GUI? |
| 20:19.22 | Rommper | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 20:19.24 | Rommper | i think |
| 20:19.57 | mille25 | turtles1: http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 20:20.55 | turtles1 | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3503 |
| 20:21.06 | turtles1 | the output from that is scv22 |
| 20:21.21 | turtles1 | but the sound name is "SALT Barraks" |
| 20:21.53 | turtles1 | in the editor the sound is shown as SALT Barraks |
| 20:22.17 | turtles1 | but in game trying to print out it's name results in the string scv22 being printed |
| 20:26.18 | Rommper | hmm idk, maybe someone else know it |
| 20:29.01 | turtles1 | hmmm, I found the line in the script that it compiles to. |
| 20:29.01 | turtles1 | TriggerDebugOutput(1, StringToText(("scv22")), true); |
| 20:29.14 | turtles1 | so the name of the sound must be scv22 |
| 20:29.29 | turtles1 | but in the data module the sound is called "SALT Barraks" |
| 20:29.48 | turtles1 | and as you can see that is the sound it is listed as in the code I printed earlier |
| 20:53.56 | JademusSreg | Phew. |
| 20:56.17 | turtles1 | figured it out |
| 20:56.37 | Arcane|Work | Ahh good |
| 20:56.49 | Arcane|Work | Yes, the name is the name, the ID is entirely separate |
| 20:56.53 | turtles1 | the name of the assets was right but the editor was picking weird IDs |
| 20:57.11 | Arcane|Work | Yes, if you wish to reference something in data, you need its ID |
| 20:57.55 | turtles1 | the ID of marine = marine, the ID of battlecruiser = battlecruiser etcetc |
| 20:58.17 | turtles1 | not used to the idea that there are two "names" for an asset |
| 20:58.21 | Arcane|Work | Yes, but that is the default naming scheme. It need not be that. |
| 20:58.43 | Arcane|Work | Well, the reason is thus: the ID is a unique identifier, but the name can be localized into other languages. |
| 21:01.48 | JademusSreg | Twas til vexation verily much made busy by an amount deserved designation properly profanitied forth "fuck". |
| 21:02.11 | turtles1 | ehhh, there is somewhat of a point to that I guess... I think it would just make sense to do away with the "name" and only deal with identifiers. Just have a field for translations attached to objects |
| 21:02.42 | turtles1 | that is what a name is after all in common usage... an identifier |
| 21:03.20 | JademusSreg | Do what I do; give it a name which matches the identifier. |
| 21:03.24 | turtles1 | If I have a variable called foo then that is it's name. |
| 21:03.42 | turtles1 | makes no sense to have multiple naming schemes for a single item |
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| 21:06.19 | pirate | hah |
| 21:06.23 | pirate | OG pirate |
| 21:06.43 | Arcane|Work | True, but having the ID separate allows multiple names to be shared. For example, I have Heal ability, and I want it to have the same name as the orginal heal ability, but it will be entirely different. So thus, it has the same "name" but different ID |
| 21:07.43 | Arcane|Work | Hai pirate |
| 21:08.03 | JademusSreg | For the name "Shart-Lead Fothermucker", click the button to generate an id and get "ShartLeadFothermucker". Where editor affixes are used, add them to the id as well. |
| 21:08.55 | Arcane|Work | JademusSreg naming scheme will never cease to amaze or amuse me :D |
| 21:09.54 | JademusSreg | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shart https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lead#Noun https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fother https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mucker |
| 21:11.27 | JademusSreg | Which is to say the name means a laborer who, as a result of working with large quantities of lead, expels the material in its waste. |
| 21:12.04 | turtles1 | Arcane - well you shouldn't do that in the first place. Thats like having three variables IIIIlIII, IIlIII and IIIIIlI |
| 21:12.13 | turtles1 | serves no purpose but to confuse |
| 21:12.20 | turtles1 | :P |
| 21:12.41 | JademusSreg | (This article better establishes the lead reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fother ) |
| 21:14.04 | Arcane|Work | turtles1: Perhaps, but do remember, the naming is NOT for me, it is for the players, since it is what will be displayed on buttons, in tooltips, etc. |
| 21:14.15 | Arcane|Work | ID's is for the coder, the visual is for the user. |
| 21:14.43 | Arcane|Work | And you can skip the visuals as a coder, just turn raw mode on, shows only ID's |
| 21:15.11 | Arcane|Work | I take that back, it shows IDs + visual |
| 21:15.21 | JademusSreg | Sharing name and id across different data types is perfectly acceptable when fields link to one another from within the same level of operation, and preferable is implicitly linked via token expressions. |
| 21:20.42 | turtles1 | I know now what it is for and I agree that it is one way of doing it. Just whinging that I don't think it is a good way to accomplish it. |
| 21:21.03 | turtles1 | anyway, I whinge enough already |
| 21:21.14 | turtles1 | so just ignore |
| 21:21.48 | JademusSreg | "Jamba Juicer" & "JambaJuicer" (name & id) is fine when shared, say, by a unit and its actor and the model, but usually doesn't make sense if its weapon has the same name & id. But the weapon could use "Smoothie Mine" & "SmoothieMine" and reasonably use the same for its root effect. |
| 21:22.54 | pirate | and now I want a smoothie |
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| 21:23.58 | JademusSreg | (Imagine it also has its own targetable stim-like ability+behavior data entries sharing "Steroidberry Blend" or "Amphetamilkshake".) |
| 21:36.33 | JademusSreg | Now, with that purple prose, vulgar verse, and bilious bombast outta the way, me here talk good at word for games. |
| 21:38.38 | Arcane|Work | lol |
| 21:39.07 | Arcane|Work | Found this little excellent tool for developing oneself at coding/programming/computer stuff. http://sijinjoseph.com/programmer-competency-matrix/ |
| 21:41.34 | JademusSreg | First, played Glitch Dungeon, and on the second play through (btw, with victory gifting the player with a occult pointed hat) found secret powers and a minor exploit which allowed me to -actually- glitch the game. |
| 21:42.28 | JademusSreg | RPS has a write-up of this game and the second I shall mention: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/21/freeware-garden-glitch-dungeon/ |
| 21:42.36 | JademusSreg | Also, neato, saved. |
| 21:45.07 | Arcane|Work | I like how very detailed and through it is. Definitely gives me an idea of where I fall and what I need to aim for. |
| 21:46.49 | JademusSreg | employs a heuristic judgment of competency as fluency, as one would evaluate verbal/written language, as the extent to which one thinks natively in its body of concepts, conventions, and patterns. |
| 21:47.09 | JademusSreg | But yeah, quite neat, enjoy me some rigour. |
| 22:06.00 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 22:12.04 | JademusSreg | This RPS article line communicates everything I care to know about Galactic Civilizations 3: "Gal Civ is a big name in the 4X strategy genre. As a game which is all about collecting anti-matter from black holes and" No. |
| 22:13.05 | JademusSreg | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/21/gal-civ-3-alpha-review/ |
| 22:16.47 | JademusSreg | I must admit that, personal preference and bias aside, by all appearances it seems like a great SC2 map. |
| 22:17.45 | pirate | whats a great sc2 map? |
| 22:19.06 | JademusSreg | (Spoils the joke if I explain it.) |
| 22:33.15 | mille25 | Arcane|Work: really cool link you got there |
| 22:33.28 | mille25 | seems like im level 2 for most, 1 in some cases. |
| 22:33.37 | mille25 | really useful to figure out where you may leak knowledge |
| 22:34.13 | mille25 | err.. lack :D |
| 22:37.07 | pirate | oh, it was a joke |
| 22:37.15 | pirate | I've been having a very literal day today |
| 23:23.30 | JademusSreg | Uncanny: https://i.imgur.com/FWAj5px.png |
| 23:41.57 | IskatuMesk | those textures are so bright... |
| 23:42.26 | IskatuMesk | looks like they don't know how to configure bloom |
| 23:52.09 | Dustin|Work | Your mom doesn't know how to configure bloom... |
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