| 01:01.09 | IskatuMesk | hi qts |
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| 03:44.55 | IskatuMesk | he_he |
| 04:45.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:47.05 | JademusSreg | wonders why Ahli would ask about creating mpqs. |
| 05:00.20 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: Valve makes poop tools. |
| 05:04.06 | JademusSreg | Expected Dotwo tools to be ugly poop, but damn, datsum ugly poop. |
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| 08:05.50 | IskatuMesk | sup jade |
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| 08:48.00 | JademusSreg | Hallo Mesk. |
| 08:48.19 | JademusSreg | Nearly done with my vacation. =D |
| 08:49.23 | JademusSreg | Playing through and tinkering with Divinity: Original Sin was refreshing, in that it filled me with loathing. |
| 08:49.44 | JademusSreg | And as we all know, loathing is fuel for design. |
| 08:51.26 | JademusSreg | From a technical perspective, what Larian Studios implemented, they implemented rather well. But the system design itself, from the data to the very tools, dreadful. |
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| 08:55.33 | JademusSreg | Got around to opening up the game's pak archives, and was horrified by the content. For example, from my skimming, they've got data defined in .xls spreadsheets, parsed by a ruby script, generating a txt file (what I assume is also ruby based on the grammar and syntax) which is handled by the system to create the game's skills (spells). |
| 08:58.08 | JademusSreg | (Or the .bat parses the spreadsheet to produce the txt file handled by the ruby, either way, horrifying.) |
| 09:01.23 | JademusSreg | Or as another example of fault in the system's design, one may simply alter the root template of a player character to be some other kind of creature and still function properly, have an inventory, take commands, et cetera, but all the dialogs are broken and inescapable because the option "1. (end)" is missing, apparently coded such that its associated with the root template. |
| 09:02.07 | JademusSreg | Or sometimes you find a root template has inherited an alignment that makes it the enemy of the characters in your party, haha. |
| 09:02.42 | JademusSreg | Sooo I uninstalled the game. |
| 09:04.36 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: http://wondermark.com/c/2014-08-15-1054licker.gif |
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| 09:22.04 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, and also unrelated, Everquest: Landmark is putting voxels to good use. |
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| 11:26.55 | zolden | Goa_ how's stuff going? |
| 11:27.02 | Goa_ | slowly |
| 11:27.12 | Goa_ | didnt open Unity since quite sometime |
| 11:27.18 | zolden | why? |
| 11:27.24 | Goa_ | but this week and next week I will have lots of free time |
| 11:27.49 | zolden | good, push the fucker |
| 11:28.08 | Goa_ | :D |
| 11:28.15 | Goa_ | I am opening Unity now:D |
| 11:28.39 | Goa_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU |
| 11:28.51 | Goa_ | I shall push! |
| 11:29.23 | zolden | :/ |
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| 11:50.14 | duckies | yeah goa_ lvl 16 is where my dumb brain stopped helping me, if you decide to come back and get to it, drop me a hint will you? :> |
| 11:52.19 | duckies | aand I solved it, apperently wan't so hard after all. Apperently it's like mapmaking, the moment you ask for help is the moment you realize the solution for yourself |
| 11:52.37 | duckies | =/ |
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| 12:03.29 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:10.51 | JademusSreg | Who's level what with what? |
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| 12:28.38 | Goa_ | duckies I dont remember even its name not that the link |
| 12:29.54 | duckies | it's a game about squares goa_ |
| 12:29.58 | duckies | >.> http://gameaboutsquares.com/ |
| 12:30.44 | duckies | at first I thought that it was hard, then I realized that I'm just stupid D: |
| 12:30.47 | Goa_ | I am at level 13:D |
| 12:31.13 | duckies | you'll reach me in no-time (lvl 20) |
| 12:38.35 | Ahli | I stopped at 13 :< |
| 12:40.54 | Goa_ | I am at level 16 |
| 12:43.29 | Goa_ | done:D |
| 12:45.29 | Goa_ | 17 so easy |
| 12:46.01 | Goa_ | 18 even eaiser |
| 12:54.58 | Goa_ | level 20 |
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| 12:56.11 | duckies | lvl 25 |
| 13:04.57 | duckies | I suppose I'll stop today on 26 >.>' |
| 13:05.36 | duckies | feels like they're getting nice, not too hard but sometimes require some thought |
| 13:05.59 | duckies | tho there's only 35 levels |
| 13:06.26 | duckies | so it won't last for too long |
| 13:06.31 | Goa_ | stuck at level 23 |
| 13:08.58 | Goa_ | also **** u for showing me this game, I feel my free time drained.D |
| 13:11.01 | duckies | at least it's not that mazing **** based on random td, that has potencial to drain endless amount of time, thank god this one is finite :D |
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| 13:18.29 | duckies | I'm curious which one is it |
| 13:18.35 | duckies | drop me a screen? :D |
| 13:18.46 | duckies | ah nvm |
| 13:18.51 | duckies | you can manually navigate leels |
| 13:19.56 | duckies | try again tomorrow, sleep usually helps |
| 13:21.52 | duckies | cannot accept that he did better at some puzzle than that puzzle loving g0a |
| 13:23.40 | Goa_ | actually hates puzzles |
| 13:23.58 | Goa_ | I only love mazing |
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| 13:26.40 | duckies | wtf you were playing that puzzle map for then? you can't trick me, I know you're secretly a puzzle maniac :3 |
| 13:43.09 | Goa_ | that puzzle map is nostalgic |
| 13:43.30 | Goa_ | and 2048 is cool |
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| 14:14.46 | JademusSreg | 2048, classic. |
| 14:20.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, should ask, anything of import occur during my minivacation? |
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| 15:42.35 | Ahli | heroes not going to have custom maps in alpha, maybe not even in beta. no merger with arcade planned, environments remain separated. |
| 15:46.26 | Merc | harsh |
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| 15:47.31 | JademusSreg | Clarify those last two? |
| 15:47.56 | JademusSreg | Also, sorry I missed ypur mpq question. =D |
| 15:48.59 | Ahli | arcade remains intact, heroes' custom map system remains separated from arcade -> no merger |
| 15:49.47 | Ahli | I've a stormInterface and I add a file using ladik's mpq editor -> heroes doesn't load the interface anymore |
| 15:50.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, no surprise, though I expect conversion is simple enough. As demonstrated a while back. |
| 15:50.21 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 15:50.54 | Ahli | 259 that is. with 250 some file additions/updates broke the mpq entirely, but with some files it worked |
| 15:51.24 | Ahli | that's how I was able to create a storminterface in first place, but now I cannot continue. |
| 15:52.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. Details would be useful, first I wonder if the mpq is managing its block-size-value-thingy correctly; my settings alert me if a size increase is required. |
| 15:53.15 | JademusSreg | Next I wonder if they have a checksum, some hash file or whatever, for some files, if override is involved. |
| 15:54.07 | JademusSreg | Then I'd consider if the component list file is refering to the correct files. |
| 15:54.58 | JademusSreg | Then I'd study each individual relevant file format, looking for changes between SC2 and Herostorm. |
| 15:55.52 | JademusSreg | Oh, and I'd wanna make sure the list file is being correctly regenerated, as applicable. |
| 16:18.29 | Arcane|Work | Ahli: Where was this mentioned? An interview somewhere? |
| 16:18.44 | Arcane|Work | Welcome back JademusSreg |
| 16:19.19 | Arcane|Work | AS your vacation ends, mine shall begin (sort of, if catching up on house work + doing mapmaking + stuff = vacation). |
| 16:24.29 | Ahli | those were the answers I received in the inteview I paticipated in. |
| 16:24.45 | Ahli | it will be online in 1-2 days (English language)... |
| 16:36.11 | Ahli | jade https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/mpq%20editor%20v259%20bug%20-%20file%20addition%20breaking%20archive%20in%20heroesOfTheStorm.zip |
| 16:36.24 | JademusSreg | Click. |
| 16:36.36 | Ahli | interface working, file that I want to add, result that doesn't work anymore |
| 16:47.06 | Ahli | man, translating stuff is difficult. I'm horrible with my mother tongue |
| 16:53.43 | JademusSreg | I'd assist, but I'm busy as the ninth order of the infinite hells. =D |
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| 17:06.00 | JademusSreg | (Though I can probably find time for this mpq issue, of course.) |
| 17:52.37 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, dreadful: http://youtu.be/wAmenVEgGNQ |
| 18:17.12 | A1win | oh god |
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| 18:19.27 | A1win | at least the game's art style matches the style of the presentation, consistency! |
| 18:20.32 | JademusSreg | Haha, explicit, extrinsic, arbitrary timer, delightfully poor design choice. |
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| 18:29.37 | mille25 | hey |
| 18:29.44 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:29.52 | mille25 | ?! |
| 18:31.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 18:33.25 | mille25 | so JademusSreg, did you dig into the dota2 ws tools? |
| 18:35.58 | JademusSreg | Valve makes ugly poop tools. |
| 18:36.08 | mille25 | :D |
| 18:37.12 | JademusSreg | Simply can't imagine they use that as the primary means of interaction. Management, sure, before building. |
| 18:40.42 | mille25 | sooo ... it sucks? |
| 18:42.49 | JademusSreg | Can't speak to the full extent of its technical capabilities (depends on what data and such shit are exposed to the code), but I can assert with certainty that Valve makes tools not practically intended for use by humans. |
| 18:43.22 | mille25 | i have to say that i felt pretty overwhelmed after opening the tools for the first time, too. |
| 18:43.30 | mille25 | i didnt spent alot of time with them though, just took a quick look. |
| 18:43.44 | JademusSreg | I wasn't overwhelmed, I was -annoyed-. |
| 18:45.44 | mille25 | wwo |
| 18:45.46 | mille25 | *wow |
| 18:45.53 | mille25 | there is a battle.net login queue currently |
| 18:45.57 | mille25 | didnt see that in a loong time. :D |
| 18:47.57 | JademusSreg | "Here's a bunch of shit, alright, I can parse this, fine, filter types, hm, odd, it's all superficial stuff and map shit, try filter by mod, ahh hmmm, everything except core is visible, except core is locked and italicized, can't even look at it from here, even for reference, that's splendidly useless" |
| 18:56.12 | Arcane|Work | For me, the weirdest ass thing is that there is no independent scripting tool. All code is bound to game world objects. You literally create a trigger "box" object and bind variables and script to it. |
| 18:56.33 | Arcane|Work | Which just... I could not understand how that could be productive. |
| 18:58.46 | JademusSreg | Not exactly exceptionally rare, but one would expect or should hope scripts are separate files. |
| 19:00.02 | Arcane|Work | Well, they sorta can be, since the game script can invoke lua scripts |
| 19:00.43 | Arcane|Work | The script files are separate I think, it just the idea for them to be used requires binding to an object, although that may be for triggers only, but that still is limiting. |
| 19:01.48 | Arcane|Work | And their data format.. well they don't have a data editor, and it uses hardcoded DotA2 stuff only. It would be like using SC2 Blizzard stuff only to custom build stuff, and you only get to do it in raw xml. Then again this is an alpha, so that may be simply the case here. |
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| 19:08.39 | greybeard | laptop harddrive asploded |
| 19:11.46 | mille25 | well |
| 19:11.54 | mille25 | time to get a proper |
| 19:11.58 | mille25 | SSD then |
| 19:12.00 | mille25 | :D |
| 19:12.13 | mille25 | corsair mx100 |
| 19:12.15 | mille25 | for example |
| 19:12.24 | mille25 | cheap and good |
| 19:12.55 | greybeard | desktop has SSD |
| 19:13.05 | greybeard | also, macbook |
| 19:13.12 | greybeard | I did not make great decisions in my youth |
| 19:13.13 | mille25 | i literally couldnt use my laptop without the SSD |
| 19:13.19 | mille25 | the HDD was just... horrible. |
| 19:13.24 | greybeard | (not to imply I make great decisions now) |
| 20:41.50 | McBurgerMc | JademusSreg, like ehh |
| 20:41.59 | McBurgerMc | if I talk to you right now, do you know who I am? |
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| 20:56.03 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/51/640/22.gif |
| 20:56.11 | Delphinium | Finally... |
| 20:56.25 | Delphinium | It took me three days... |
| 21:12.19 | greybeard | das pretty shiny |
| 21:32.48 | JademusSreg | McB, probably. |
| 21:34.01 | JademusSreg | Laj. =D |
| 21:35.16 | JademusSreg | Though I admit, I don't have any relevant information about who you are, besides that old handle which provides some fabricated narrative continuity. |
| 21:37.53 | greybeard | ~whois McBurgerMc |
| 21:38.20 | greybeard | has failed to solve the mystery |
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| 21:49.00 | JademusSreg | Even got the logs which account for Laj's unrequited faux-enmity with Kueken, not that makes a difference. |
| 21:57.40 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 21:57.52 | Dustin|Work | hi |
| 21:57.56 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:00.53 | greybeard | yar |
| 22:12.56 | IskatuMesk | wat new |
| 22:14.20 | JademusSreg | In a spot of agony, seems I fractured one of my barbed carapace plates. |
| 22:15.32 | JademusSreg | Besides that, been spending the brief remainder of my minivacation dissecting games and replenishing my reserves of loathing. |
| 22:21.44 | greybeard | loathing is not the most useful of emotions |
| 22:25.01 | JademusSreg | On the contrary, loathing is the precious fuel extracted from the faulted shale beds of antiquated design; its ever-fuming burn drives those inovation engines. |
| 22:31.06 | IskatuMesk | I loathe basically everything |
| 22:39.14 | greybeard | that's unfortunate |
| 22:42.43 | Dustin|Work | If you're not loathing, you're not living |
| 22:59.15 | JademusSreg | Don't discriminate; one would expect many undead to have more than a little loathing. |
| 23:59.51 | Dustin|Work | Lol touche |
