| 00:03.13 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.42 | JademusSreg | Nope, I was Supernova Noob. |
| 00:04.21 | JademusSreg | Only thing I made of note in SC1 around that time was the high templar + defiler sprite-merged hybrid. |
| 00:04.36 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 00:04.55 | JademusSreg | Which we covered on the podcast, haha. |
| 00:05.04 | IskatuMesk | been too long since either event to remember |
| 00:05.13 | JademusSreg | After that, I made the SC1 marine in C&C Red Alert 2. |
| 00:05.38 | JademusSreg | And scaled its power appropriately, so it decimated, er, everything, quite op. |
| 00:06.29 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 00:07.13 | JademusSreg | I started from the damage it dealt, which was the same to all unit types, and worked from there. |
| 00:08.03 | JademusSreg | Used the GI as a reference; turns out SC1 units deal faaar more damage and deal it faster than RA2 units. |
| 00:08.37 | JademusSreg | Which makes any properly scaled SC1 units exceedingly powerful compared to RA2 units. |
| 00:09.46 | JademusSreg | I think I ported Siege Tanks after that, but quickly became bored. |
| 00:12.21 | JademusSreg | Bit of whimsical irony that while I'm vastly more capable of realizing whatever design I imagine, I produce much less content. |
| 00:14.15 | JademusSreg | Probably attributable to the relative compromise of time once bountiful as a larva but more a commodity post-pupation. |
| 00:22.40 | IskatuMesk | my time is pretty much limitless outside of disasters (cat/eviction) |
| 00:23.53 | JademusSreg | Disaspurrr. |
| 00:33.39 | IskatuMesk | did you check out that audio file? |
| 00:34.18 | IskatuMesk | putting the latest copy of the internal document onto the dropbox as well |
| 00:37.56 | IskatuMesk | and somehow C runs out of space wat |
| 00:51.20 | JademusSreg | About to do so; the hive is a mess, just gotta sweep out the internet biliary ducts. |
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| 00:55.25 | JademusSreg | Related, I figure the best approach to AI for the campaign is to reuse some of the good stuff from my generic AI, and otherwise adjust the AI as needed rather than attempt to make the generic AI satisfy the use cases of the campaign's needs. |
| 00:56.52 | JademusSreg | But to accomplish such specific adaptations so as to satisfy your intent, probably need a more efficient means of communicating AI-specific goals and such. =D |
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| 01:02.15 | JademusSreg | Maybe a simple google doc scrum taskboard, since AI work is very much a build-n-test iterative development task, just gimme a list of shit to do and I can tackle them. Of course, for -that- to work, the AI should be in a separate mod or per-map, and I'd need to do it via .SC2Components. |
| 01:15.51 | IskatuMesk | wut |
| 01:16.06 | IskatuMesk | well |
| 01:16.09 | IskatuMesk | a separate mod can work |
| 01:16.31 | IskatuMesk | anyways the two big issues with Ai currently is A.) performance and B.) attack wave handling |
| 01:17.07 | IskatuMesk | the performance is so bad right now no map is playable and I have stopped running tests with it |
| 01:18.23 | IskatuMesk | following that, the attack wave issues I mentioned a few times are the major system that needs something done to it |
| 01:18.28 | IskatuMesk | drops and such included |
| 01:18.57 | IskatuMesk | for specific units that will come down more to tactical AI, I think (like some kind of behavior for the artillery structures) |
| 01:21.06 | IskatuMesk | like, bosses and heroes will probably all be tactical AI - I've written down notes for those, though it may be years before the units are actually created |
| 01:22.20 | IskatuMesk | I don't know what a google doc scrum taskboard is, but if you want me to write down anything specific, I can, just show me where |
| 01:23.01 | JademusSreg | Will do in a bit. Meanwhile, I do Stuff whilst listening to your soothing mp3. |
| 02:01.54 | Dustin|Work | Weeee |
| 02:04.59 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Dustin. Intend to muck about with Devo: Original Whip? |
| 02:07.34 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: Pickpocketing Wheat tends to crash the game. |
| 02:16.44 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 02:19.07 | JademusSreg | The game's engine is flexible enough to let one play an orc, or undead, or cat, or imp, or even a huge void horror, but not so robust it doesn't break the dialog systems. |
| 02:21.57 | Dustin|Work | I might be able to tomorrow morning if you're around |
| 02:58.29 | Dustin|Work | Been a good night at work |
| 02:58.45 | Dustin|Work | Was assigned a special project so I havent had to take any support calls tonight :D |
| 02:59.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:00.07 | JademusSreg | Perhaps, though uncertain if I'd be awake during that window. |
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| 04:02.39 | IskatuMesk | ooo, found my 3-3 ret file |
| 04:02.51 | IskatuMesk | I may go ahead with my plans to make that project a sort of mini audiobook |
| 04:03.01 | IskatuMesk | would be easy to do once I get my next piece of hardware |
| 04:03.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:04.45 | IskatuMesk | that is one thing I might put on uub |
| 04:06.06 | IskatuMesk | I'd have to write a chunk of script regarding all of the battles I would have otherwise done through CGI |
| 04:06.10 | IskatuMesk | and find a worthy female VA |
| 04:06.45 | IskatuMesk | the first is just time, the latter may well be impossible |
| 04:46.59 | JademusSreg | Hm, well, even well known VAs are willing to contribute if the project intereswts em. |
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| 04:58.05 | IskatuMesk | going through my old 3-3 audio composition |
| 04:58.18 | IskatuMesk | it is fairly solid, I can use most of my mixes here in an audiobook variant |
| 06:43.31 | IskatuMesk | yes, I think I can pull this off fairly confidently once I get my hardware |
| 06:43.48 | IskatuMesk | 80% of this composition can be used or reworked |
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| 13:33.56 | Ashamed | ahh |
| 13:35.22 | JademusSreg | Hha. |
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| 14:33.25 | greybeard | what kind of site op to use to make an actor gently float up and down vertically (ie, a powerup) |
| 14:43.51 | Dustin | I remember them adding something for z height actor shit |
| 14:44.07 | Dustin | and someone made a raining exploding cows spell with it |
| 14:44.18 | Dustin | But i cant remember what the name was |
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| 14:55.50 | greybeard | eh, this would be for something constant, like a rotator |
| 14:55.54 | greybeard | preferably without using timers |
| 15:03.50 | greybeard | oh jeebus I just realized it's stupid easy to make unit's flash colors with Bounce/Cycle Tint messages and ClearTint labels |
| 15:05.19 | ArcanePariah | mhhm |
| 15:06.27 | greybeard | I've been using one shot and timer messages for years |
| 15:06.43 | greybeard | dives off the plank |
| 15:12.34 | ArcanePariah | evolution continues. as an aside I would start with easy stuff then move to more difficult stuff, once the framework was in place. |
| 15:14.48 | greybeard | I hope for big news on the heroes editor, otherwise the best tutorials will fall on deaf ears |
| 15:15.54 | ArcanePariah | True, but this is partly for myself, practice doing production work. |
| 15:16.02 | greybeard | ahhhh |
| 15:18.54 | ArcanePariah | Doing tutorials = easy, doing them with good quality, coordination, is hard |
| 15:19.10 | greybeard | and production value! |
| 15:26.29 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, learned a bit about that at my internship, one of the people here does game production as a side gig on the weekends. Cool stuff, and also seeing what Blizzard does as well (Rock the Cabinet video at start and at end). |
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| 15:29.46 | EntityEnigma | is there a way to get apply an upgrade with a behavior of effect? |
| 15:30.06 | Arcane|Work | Purely in data? |
| 15:30.14 | EntityEnigma | yesh |
| 15:30.26 | Arcane|Work | Need a research ability and use an issue order effect |
| 15:30.40 | EntityEnigma | issue order?? |
| 15:30.50 | EntityEnigma | thats the last thing i expected |
| 15:31.17 | Arcane|Work | Well, you want an upgrade applied, so you need to command the correct unit to use the research ability. |
| 15:31.43 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 15:33.31 | Ashamed | i just created 8 attributes for my heroes and they all work :) i am happy ha |
| 15:34.02 | Ashamed | i just made it stackable and then gave it a charge - get a certain amount of charges per lvl |
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| 15:41.15 | JademusSreg | Design case study: the crafting system in Dublinity: Urbanizational Kin. A splendid negative example. |
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| 16:36.27 | Goa_ | Shit is going on in Ukraine and between Russia.... |
| 16:36.55 | Arcane|Work | Oh boy... |
| 16:37.30 | Delphinium | I was thinking that who else will start this subject. |
| 16:38.01 | Arcane|Work | Hey Delphinium, how is the frog doing today? |
| 16:39.25 | Delphinium | as usual~ |
| 16:40.09 | Delphinium | just a little tired but stull very full of vigour than many other frogs. |
| 16:40.17 | Delphinium | still* |
| 16:42.18 | Arcane|Work | That's good, we need vigorous frogs, among other types. |
| 16:42.38 | Arcane|Work | I'm going to try my hand at making in map tutorials of various editor things. |
| 16:43.53 | Arcane|Work | Basically do a series of tutorial maps, complete with voice explanations, transcripts and screen shots of the editor in game along with accompanying changes/effects, so people can see what a given data things leads to in game |
| 16:44.25 | Arcane|Work | Utilize the existing conversation data (that will be fun when I do a tutorial on that, conversationception :P) |
| 16:45.49 | JademusSreg | The universe is shit. Literally. Began with the Big BM, erupting from an incredibly dense high-energy space-time sphincter. The matter from this explosive movement cooled to form thermonuclear stellar turds, which in turn metabolised their fuel before releasing their heavy-nucleic waste into the cosmos, a spectacle of explosive expulsion which continues even now. On the lumpy floaters which |
| 16:45.49 | JademusSreg | conveniently ride the swirling toilet tides of gravity in just the right orbits give rise to life, which in turn devours the bulk of their dungballs only to void their own bowels upon its face to be consumed by other copraphagic denizens of the poo-ecology in time. |
| 16:46.16 | JademusSreg | Which is all to say -of course- shit is happening in those places; it's everywhere. =D |
| 16:47.49 | Arcane|Work | Outstanding, a fecal version of the universe, should this go into a psychology or physics journal? |
| 16:49.23 | JademusSreg | Gastroenterological Cosmology. |
| 16:50.07 | Arcane|Work | As awful as it is, I almost think the current rounds of violence in the world are necessary, since for too long, some of these issues have been put off, like a lid on a boiling pot, and no one turning the gas off. |
| 16:50.20 | JademusSreg | Bzzt. |
| 16:51.26 | Arcane|Work | I don't think the violence solves anything, but it does force a realization of just how bad some situations are, and maybe force people to rethink their positions. |
| 16:53.33 | JademusSreg | Merely mean to highlight it's a categorical error to project human abstractions upon complex emergent self-organizing phenomena. |
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| 16:55.24 | Delphinium | PC dying... |
| 16:56.04 | Arcane|Work | :( |
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| 17:10.53 | Siretu | So apparently changing ownership of a unit cancels any research that is in progress. Any way to avoid this behavior? |
| 17:11.19 | Ashamed | for upgrades? |
| 17:11.25 | Siretu | Yeah |
| 17:11.29 | Ashamed | just instead of making it an upgrade |
| 17:11.36 | Ashamed | make it a stackable behavior |
| 17:11.39 | Ashamed | i believe that would workj |
| 17:11.53 | Ashamed | i am getting back into sc2 so i am not quite sure |
| 17:12.07 | Siretu | As in, an ability with a cast time that applies a behavior? |
| 17:12.12 | Ashamed | yep |
| 17:12.17 | Ashamed | and make it last forever |
| 17:12.18 | EntityEngima | thx for the help earlier Arcane|Work |
| 17:12.53 | Siretu | I'm quite sure changing the ownership would also cancel a casting ability since both are using the same progress bar mechanic |
| 17:13.15 | Ashamed | i am not sure it may be worth a try though |
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| 17:13.45 | Siretu | And I currently have 50 different upgrades, all pretty heavily connected into everything else |
| 17:14.03 | Delphinium | I am back |
| 17:16.32 | Siretu | Anyone else have any ideas? |
| 17:29.29 | Arcane|Work | Siretu: You want to have a research ability continue, even when the unit changes control? |
| 17:30.06 | Siretu | Yes, exactly |
| 17:31.03 | Arcane|Work | How is the unit changing players? Trigger or via a behavior? |
| 17:31.09 | Siretu | triggers |
| 17:32.13 | Arcane|Work | Hmm... could write a trigger that reacts to unit changing owner and retrieve the current research progress and order the unit to do the same research, and set the research progress back to what it was. |
| 17:32.53 | Arcane|Work | But I'm not sure such info will be preserved after the change of ownership. |
| 17:32.58 | Arcane|Work | Would need to test. |
| 17:33.22 | Siretu | That sounds like a very logical solution. I'm not sure why I was thinking of having invisible dummy units and syncing and such |
| 17:33.29 | Siretu | I'll do some testing |
| 17:33.30 | Ashamed | currently making a web app for my company to inter-grade all our servers.... I love when on system has a field for First/last/middle name and others one field -.-. Its fun trying to give the user as little forms to fill out but making sure all the fields get field out in each system ha |
| 17:35.06 | Arcane|Work | Siretu: Another method, although crude, and brute force, would be to have a trigger that reacts to the research ability being started and running a loop, tracking its progress. On unit change, retrieve any non zero values for such abilities and apply them. |
| 17:35.56 | Arcane|Work | Would require a 2 dimensional array, 1 index for each unit, increment on each run of the trigger, and a 2nd index, one for each ability. |
| 17:36.13 | Arcane|Work | possibly 3rd dimension, to track player. |
| 17:36.35 | Arcane|Work | Depends on how many units possess the research ability. |
| 17:37.19 | Siretu | Only one for each of the two teams. Although I dont think you really have to use a two-dimensional array since concurrenct upgrading is not possible. |
| 17:37.39 | Siretu | Could just save current upgrade and progress as a struct or as two separate variables |
| 17:38.20 | Siretu | (Just checked. Changing ownership with a behavior also cancels research progress) |
| 18:29.01 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/aTQ4h/02947645d2.jpg |
| 18:44.56 | Siretu | Arcane|Work, it seems to work pretty well. The problem I'm having now is that in order to get your idea to work, I had to give the unit Queue (1) |
| 18:45.16 | Siretu | and if I try to switch upgrades mid-upgrade, it'll refuse with a "Queue is full" error |
| 18:45.25 | Siretu | instead of just starting the new upgrade instead |
| 18:47.48 | Ashamed | i am guessing you should be able to check to see if queue is full somehow and then remove queue |
| 18:47.52 | Ashamed | something like this |
| 18:49.04 | Siretu | Neither "Unit is Issued Order" nor the "Unit Uses Ability" (at any stage) is triggered when the queue is already full |
| 18:53.01 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/aTRPz/364dd6f71c.jpg |
| 18:55.37 | Delphinium | Now the armory refill pack allows you to arm (and launch) your aircrafts with custom weapons. |
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| 19:02.46 | mille25 | hi |
| 19:04.12 | Delphinium | hi |
| 19:04.41 | Ashamed | shup |
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| 19:36.11 | EntityEnigma | if im tryin to set up a requirement to prevent an ability from building more than 1 turret at a time |
| 19:36.59 | EntityEnigma | do i need to compare to conditions with And |
| 19:37.21 | EntityEnigma | *two conditions |
| 19:37.53 | EntityEnigma | and make it like less than or equal to |
| 19:38.06 | Delphinium | Good night |
| 19:38.07 | EntityEnigma | count unit turret completed at unit tech tree cheat |
| 19:38.14 | EntityEnigma | constant 0 |
| 19:38.36 | EntityEnigma | less than or equal to |
| 19:38.45 | EntityEnigma | count unit turret completed at unit tech tree cheat |
| 19:38.47 | EntityEnigma | constant 1 |
| 19:39.34 | EntityEnigma | or just |
| 19:39.41 | EntityEnigma | equal to |
| 19:39.48 | EntityEnigma | count unit turret completed at unit tech tree cheat |
| 19:39.50 | EntityEnigma | constant 0 |
| 19:48.09 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 19:48.10 | EntityEnigma | didnt work |
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| 19:52.07 | JademusSreg | Aaand back. |
| 19:55.13 | mille25 | wb! |
| 19:56.01 | JademusSreg | Weeeb. =D |
| 19:56.43 | Deaod | dweeb ;) |
| 19:57.10 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 19:57.18 | Deaod | sorry, i just remembered a word through some strange acoustic association. |
| 19:58.02 | JademusSreg | Hm, given the google definition, I'm glad I'm not a dweeb. A nerd, a rake, an asshole, certainly, but fortunately not a dweeb. =D |
| 19:58.08 | JademusSreg | Hallo Mesk. |
| 19:59.19 | Deaod | again, sorry if this got picked up wrong |
| 20:00.46 | JademusSreg | Part-way through the worldbuilding audio, I enjoy the consideration you gave to the nanite network (nanonet? nanetwork?) manufacture tech. =D |
| 20:01.46 | JademusSreg | Deaod, wat? Haha, sorrow-not, I'm just whimsical. |
| 20:05.28 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 20:05.38 | IskatuMesk | so what was that document thing you wanted me to make |
| 20:09.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes, basically it's a list of shit in need of doing, more detail the better. And since I tend to, er, rip apart stuff on which I work, better still if the details include design+quantities. Like getting the AIs to build structures using a melee approach, and specifically in the first mission player N should build R number of ravens for attack wave A. |
| 20:09.41 | IskatuMesk | ah. let me worry about stuff like their build orders |
| 20:09.42 | IskatuMesk | that is easy |
| 20:09.59 | IskatuMesk | I don |
| 20:10.00 | IskatuMesk | I don' |
| 20:10.03 | IskatuMesk | god damn keys |
| 20:10.06 | JademusSreg | That way the parameters constrain the possibility space of shit I can refactor and/or disembowel. |
| 20:10.29 | IskatuMesk | I don't know which missions will entail what units specifically because it's too early yet, but I can tell you the unit counts will be similar to BW (so you will see waves of 40-50 ravens for example) |
| 20:12.16 | JademusSreg | Oops, got a call, busy time. bbl |
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| 21:17.55 | Repo | New map: The Dark Moon - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/dark-moon/ |
| 21:17.55 | Repo | New map: Under Siege! - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/under-siege/ |
| 21:23.54 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg, I have made a file and put it on the bongbox |
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| 22:01.59 | Repo | New announcement: Usermade Legacy of the Void - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/usermade-legacy-of-the-void/ |
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| 22:25.54 | JademusSreg | (Woo.) |
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| 22:28.12 | Charys | i like how the top three in votes were the same as the top three winners, except for impossible bosses being replaced with ultimate boss battles |
| 22:32.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:41.01 | Zandose | could someone check my trigger/math and tell me if anything is wrong? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/69846-is-anything-wrong-with-this-the-math/ |
| 22:42.21 | IskatuMesk | sorry, I am allergic to math. I burst into flames if I get close. |
| 22:42.59 | Zandose | its ok. i think it just figured it out |
| 22:44.44 | Zandose | now i just need some good dialog controls |
| 22:48.14 | Zandose | any dialog systems out there? |
| 22:48.32 | Arcane|Work | Zandose: it looks right in my initial lookover, but I would suggest instead of entirely bruteforce calculation, calculate the normalized vector and just multiply that. |
| 22:49.06 | Zandose | i dont know how to do that. i believe Zolden helped me get this far |
| 22:49.35 | Arcane|Work | Also, I thought there was already a function the provided this functionality |
| 22:49.47 | Arcane|Work | Namely point on a line in between 2 points |
| 22:49.50 | Zandose | ^ for 2d not 3d |
| 22:50.45 | Arcane|Work | Interesting |
| 22:51.07 | Arcane|Work | Hmm, sounds like I should write a vector normalization function |
| 22:51.22 | Zandose | please provide gui |
| 22:51.36 | Arcane|Work | I would, amazingly easy now that I know how :D |
| 22:51.53 | Arcane|Work | AS for the math, do you know what vectors are? |
| 22:52.00 | Zandose | yes and no |
| 22:52.09 | Arcane|Work | Elaborate |
| 22:52.09 | Zandose | just assume im dumb |
| 22:52.21 | JademusSreg | will resume productive discourse following ingestion and catabolism of avian musculature. |
| 22:52.23 | Zandose | or a noob |
| 22:52.54 | Arcane|Work | Well, vectors are change in position. Instead of saying "I'm going from 2,3 to 5,6" you say instead "I'm going 3 in the X and 3 in the Y" |
| 22:53.31 | Zandose | @1JademusSreg i understand |
| 22:53.47 | Zandose | i want 3d model dialog's |
| 22:53.52 | Arcane|Work | Normalization is making a vector have a maginitude (or length) of 1 |
| 22:54.06 | Zandose | ...you shouldnt even try to explain it to me |
| 22:54.24 | Arcane|Work | The reason to do this is once you have a normal vector, you can then scale it by simply multiplying (ie make something go farther, just multiply the vector). |
| 22:54.35 | Arcane|Work | Can never hurt to try :) |
| 22:55.02 | Zandose | i am just trying to get it to "work" for now. fixing is later |
| 22:55.27 | JademusSreg | I'll take a shot at simple explanation of vectors. |
| 22:55.28 | Arcane|Work | Vectors have some unique math, you can do certain operations to vectors to find a vector between the original 2, and find the vector that is perpidicular to both of the orginal ones |
| 22:56.43 | Arcane|Work | So, how was the chicken? |
| 22:57.05 | Zandose | how do you know its chicken? |
| 22:58.11 | JademusSreg | The word "vector" sounds exotic, but it's just a math term for a thing consisting of other things, rather like "tensor", and CS folks usually don't need to give a fuck about the difference between the two, it's just a useful word for a common data structure, a thing with things in it. |
| 23:01.18 | Arcane|Work | Oh god, I pity people making custom UI's in DotA 2, you have to do it in Flash |
| 23:01.35 | Arcane|Work | Like, you need Flash/Scaleform and compile it yourself atm |
| 23:02.40 | Arcane|Work | And ActionScript looks like some twisted hybrid of Java and Javascript... |
| 23:03.17 | JademusSreg | SC2 uses flash, as well; judging from the files I dissected a while back, they used Adobe Air or such for the first generation of glues, dunno if that's still the case. |
| 23:04.26 | Zandose | any suggestions for a ui/dialog for controling a ship in space? |
| 23:04.28 | JademusSreg | JSON and Lua sound positively pleasant. Flash, not so much, but whatever. |
| 23:04.29 | Arcane|Work | SC2 uses Scaleform for the B.net UI, but we are talking B.net only, anything else is done in game engine |
| 23:04.40 | Arcane|Work | Like the options menu |
| 23:04.43 | Arcane|Work | and anything in there |
| 23:04.51 | Arcane|Work | You can actually customize that stuff I think |
| 23:04.57 | Arcane|Work | at least its present in the UI XML files |
| 23:05.03 | JademusSreg | Sure, that plus the other flash stuff, like the swarm boss bar. |
| 23:05.15 | JademusSreg | For which I conveniently have the source files. =D |
| 23:06.05 | Arcane|Work | Still, I'm wondering if Valve takes the time to make things accessible. SC2 had a hard time with learning curve of the XML + data editor. The Dota 2 stuff seems to make scripting far harder. |
| 23:06.13 | JademusSreg | Zan, I lack context, but generally I'd say the interface should be designed to reduce meaningless input from the player and streamline common activity. |
| 23:06.31 | Arcane|Work | Like, if you are going to straight up code, most modders are dead in the water, they can't code. |
| 23:07.17 | JademusSreg | Is there an API doc for Dotwo's exposed namespunk? |
| 23:07.59 | Arcane|Work | Well, there is the workshop docs, and some people have posted lists of current existing entities to be used, but at this time, they can't really create anything "new" per se, only recombine existing stuff |
| 23:08.40 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a fun new frontier, hmmm. |
| 23:08.50 | Arcane|Work | Also, apparently, for reasons I can not fathom, the only way to properly test script, is to reboot the entire editor. |
| 23:09.36 | Arcane|Work | Or so people are reporting |
| 23:09.49 | JademusSreg | "they can't really create anything "new" per se, only recombine existing stuff" This is exactly how folks thought during the SC2 WoL beta; wasn't true, they just didn't know any better, until they did, haha. |
| 23:09.56 | IskatuMesk | jade, did you see that document at all? it's fairly concise |
| 23:10.15 | Arcane|Work | Well, at this time, that is the case for DotA 2, you can not even change the game format at this time |
| 23:10.21 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, what people are doing is rarely indicative of what may be done. |
| 23:10.22 | Arcane|Work | And tons of stuff is hardcoded in |
| 23:10.37 | Arcane|Work | True, this is merely first impressions |
| 23:11.10 | Zandose | whats the advantage to using dialog panels over just dialogs? |
| 23:11.16 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I'm in the process of doing so. =D |
| 23:11.21 | Arcane|Work | I personally don't like how the current scripting is done. Like if you want a trigger, you have to create a in game entity and then assign the code to it. |
| 23:11.25 | Arcane|Work | Which is just bizarre |
| 23:12.16 | mille25 | Zandose: panels pretty much offer the same functionality than dialogs, but allow modifications on a per player basis which are not possible using dialogs. |
| 23:12.22 | JademusSreg | Zan, panels are MUI. |
| 23:12.43 | JademusSreg | Their properties are player-instanced, dialog properties are not. |
| 23:12.47 | Zandose | ok |
| 23:14.04 | JademusSreg | So something simple as selective visibility for player Fuckdart while hiding from player Countpounder and Fluffermuffler requires multiple dialogs, but only one panel. |
| 23:14.23 | mille25 | actually visibility works player based for dialogs, too. |
| 23:14.28 | mille25 | but moving is a problem |
| 23:14.30 | mille25 | or resizing. |
| 23:14.32 | JademusSreg | That too. |
| 23:14.36 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 23:14.46 | mille25 | Fuckdart? |
| 23:14.49 | mille25 | :O |
| 23:15.04 | JademusSreg | That's probably what I intended to express, but am damned tired. Must consume the flesh of the living. |
| 23:16.15 | mille25 | JademusSreg: did i already tell that i installed windows 7 in a VM just to install visual studio within the VM to prevent it from fucking up my real windows install? :D |
| 23:16.33 | mille25 | got the weirdest bug ever after installing VS on my "real" OS |
| 23:17.53 | JademusSreg | That is hilarious and convoluted. Ah, inconvenience, the step-mother of inventive hacks. |
| 23:18.11 | mille25 | after installing VS, saving a document in the sc2 editor freezes my windows (freezing in the meaning off: my windows can no longer multithread, even the animated cursor stops moving) |
| 23:18.34 | mille25 | my entire pc freezes until the saving process completes |
| 23:18.41 | mille25 | reproducable just with VS installed |
| 23:18.41 | mille25 | :D |
| 23:19.40 | JademusSreg | Curious. System calls are known to "monocore" an otherwise perfectly multi-threadable process. |
| 23:19.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:19.48 | mille25 | if i click an icon in the taskbar during the freeze multiple times, the computer starts doing error beeps. :D |
| 23:22.59 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:23.02 | IskatuMesk | sc2 always did that to me |
| 23:23.07 | IskatuMesk | try to shift click, get furious beeps |
| 23:30.05 | Zandose | i seen to be having trouble with dialog panels |
| 23:30.17 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: curious to tinker with the Do2a tools and elected to install em; having not updated the game since the alpha, the update size currently dl'ing is 5.6 GB. =D |
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| 23:31.20 | JademusSreg | Creating dialog controls/items in panels requires the action to create dialog item in panel. |
| 23:31.44 | Zandose | dialog > dialog item (panel) > dialog item in panel |
| 23:31.47 | JademusSreg | Assuming the issue involves you using the vanilla create dialog item actions. |
| 23:32.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, and remember to save them to vars; using last created blah blah here or not giving em the right parameters will cause problems. |
| 23:35.34 | Zandose | http://pastebin.com/9E3FaMia |
| 23:36.01 | Zandose | still not working |
| 23:36.03 | Zandose | hmm |
| 23:36.55 | mille25 | Dialog - Move d.DialogPanelItem to (0, 0) relative to Top Left of dialog for (All players) |
| 23:37.13 | mille25 | to my knowledge this doesnt work |
| 23:37.27 | mille25 | if you are using panels, use "attach dialog item to dialog item" to get your items into position |
| 23:37.41 | mille25 | also, ive never used Dialog - Set d.DialogPanel size to parent layout True for (All players), so that may be fucking up, too, not sure. |
| 23:38.03 | mille25 | (this is just a random thought) |
| 23:38.51 | mille25 | side note: showing dialog items is not necessary, since they are visible by default. |
| 23:42.07 | Zandose | Dialog - Move d.DialogPanelItem to (0, 0) relative to Center of d.DialogPanel for (All players) (from Center) |
| 23:42.10 | Zandose | no change |
| 23:42.18 | Zandose | the item shows but it too small |
| 23:42.36 | Zandose | is* |
| 23:42.45 | mille25 | the label is too small? |
| 23:42.55 | Zandose | yes but i did change its size |
| 23:42.58 | mille25 | try to set the size of the PANEL to 100,100 explicitly |
| 23:43.04 | mille25 | and remove the parent layout stuff. |
| 23:43.09 | mille25 | just to see |
| 23:43.17 | mille25 | dialog items usually cannot extend their parent |
| 23:43.30 | mille25 | so if the panel is very small, the full label may not be rendered even though its 100x100 |
| 23:44.24 | Zandose | nope. http://pastebin.com/FuBYerAW |
| 23:44.43 | JademusSreg | observes that debugging assistance without error messages is rather like playing Clue without any cards. |
| 23:45.17 | mille25 | Zandose: so how can you tell the label is too small with it only reading one letter? :D |
| 23:45.46 | Zandose | ah |
| 23:46.04 | Zandose | it changes size depending on the text length? |
| 23:46.15 | mille25 | im confused by your definition of size |
| 23:46.31 | mille25 | the label itself is as big as you set it to be |
| 23:46.40 | mille25 | but it only shows the text its supposed to |
| 23:46.41 | Zandose | hmm |
| 23:46.46 | mille25 | depending on the font on the top left |
| 23:46.55 | Zandose | i changed "a" to ",ds;,;ldsvm,c;sdvl;ds,v;lds,;vl,ds;vl,ds,v;dslv" |
| 23:47.00 | Zandose | brb testing |
| 23:47.16 | mille25 | the default font for labels will show the rendered text with gravity top left |
| 23:47.38 | mille25 | so if you have a 100x100 label, an "a" would show at the very top left corner. |
| 23:47.49 | mille25 | the font size and gravity is determined by the font type, not label size. |
| 23:49.46 | Zandose | seems to work ok now |
| 23:52.08 | mille25 | cool |
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