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| 02:23.51 | Repo | New map: Starcraft 2 - Ultimate (Mod) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft-2-ultimate-mod/ |
| 02:23.57 | Repo | New experimental map: COMMANDO WAR - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/commando-war/ |
| 03:08.17 | Dustin_Hendricks | Fucking quiet in here |
| 03:14.04 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 03:14.13 | Bounty | themusic and I are doing a Kickstarter soon :) |
| 03:23.31 | Dustin_Hendricks | Oh ya? for twat? |
| 03:27.35 | Bounty | 3 games over the course of a year |
| 03:27.39 | Bounty | for the Arcade |
| 03:27.52 | Bounty | The main 3 will be sequels/successors to Doodad Hunt, Haunted Forest and Photon Discs |
| 03:28.07 | Bounty | the 4th will be the stretch goal and will be a Super Smash Bros/PowerStone fighting game with Blizzard characters. |
| 03:29.27 | Bounty | So far we have Blizzard, Avilo and Montezuma as promoters |
| 03:31.54 | Dustin_Hendricks | Nice! I think a Smash Bros/Powerstone game would be sick |
| 03:32.26 | Dustin_Hendricks | Well if you guys need a coder or a website, hit me up |
| 03:32.50 | Bounty | Right now the goal is going to be 35k |
| 03:32.56 | Bounty | because of 7% fee's lol |
| 03:33.10 | Dustin_Hendricks | Damn fees |
| 03:33.16 | Bounty | themusic is also a web designer but I'll ask and see how he feels about it |
| 03:33.17 | Bounty | he might suck |
| 03:34.04 | Dustin_Hendricks | He's a graphics guys though right? |
| 03:34.10 | Dustin_Hendricks | You'll need a backend guy ;) |
| 03:35.18 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:35.33 | Bounty | well the website has to be made before we launch the kickstarter so |
| 03:40.12 | Dustin_Hendricks | Just hit me up if you need some help with it, It's kinda what I've been doing freelance and professional now for 10+ years |
| 03:48.20 | Bounty | how much would you charge? |
| 03:48.51 | Bounty | oh btw, what do you think of the goal? |
| 03:48.57 | Bounty | themusic thinks its a steal lol |
| 03:49.04 | Bounty | 3 games for less than half the price of SCU =P |
| 03:49.11 | Bounty | over a year |
| 03:51.28 | Dustin_Hendricks | Probably not much at all, depends on my free time and the scope of the website |
| 03:51.54 | Dustin_Hendricks | Yeah the goal isnt too bad, can probably get a good following with all the projects you two have worked on |
| 03:54.33 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:54.46 | Bounty | we're hoping Star Party wins the contest, because thats the time we plan on launching |
| 03:54.55 | Bounty | a week or two after the winners are announced to ride that winners hype |
| 03:54.57 | Bounty | lol |
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| 05:57.04 | Bounty | Anyone else remember this shit on their Baldurs Gate 2 CD? lol |
| 05:57.05 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD8BnROvBRc |
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| 07:14.02 | grim001 | yes... NWN was my game back in the day |
| 07:14.10 | grim001 | played the hell out of certain mods for it |
| 07:18.47 | Bounty | I enjoyed the PvP servers |
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| 09:21.26 | Bounty | sexy |
| 09:32.57 | Delphinium | Iove fishes |
| 09:33.07 | Bounty | word |
| 09:33.21 | Delphinium | I love fishes |
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| 09:43.37 | Goa_ | hmmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu_Chao |
| 09:54.48 | Delphinium | 100000 digits a year is too slow... |
| 09:55.00 | Delphinium | give me a year I can do that too... |
| 10:35.13 | Goa_ | dount that |
| 10:35.18 | Goa_ | doubt* |
| 10:37.10 | Goa_ | where is Zolden, I must share that unity2d is awesome |
| 10:37.55 | Ahli | I can say that I cannot do that, lol |
| 10:47.00 | Bounty | Zolden is in Australia or Canada |
| 10:47.04 | Bounty | clearly |
| 10:55.16 | Delphinium | doesn't zolden in Russia? |
| 10:55.53 | Bounty | I think Zolden does the rope a dope |
| 10:56.24 | Bounty | but yeah hes in Russia, or at the least within that area |
| 10:56.33 | Bounty | quite a big area though lol |
| 10:57.09 | Delphinium | maybe there are many zoldens. |
| 10:57.22 | Bounty | There is only one |
| 10:57.27 | Bounty | Kneel before Zolden |
| 10:57.40 | Bounty | well, wait until he is here |
| 10:57.46 | Bounty | than kneel |
| 10:58.00 | Goa_ | There can be only 1 Zolden |
| 10:58.46 | Delphinium | so everyone can be zolden if he finds the helmet? |
| 10:59.49 | Delphinium | in the zolich king's name. |
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| 12:39.59 | Ahli | is there a proper editor for mpq? ladik's one sucks |
| 12:40.16 | Ahli | can't rename folders >_> |
| 12:40.32 | Ahli | or move files |
| 12:41.03 | Ahli | and it just doesn't want to import .version files after extracting them |
| 12:42.04 | Ahli | and no drag&drop |
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| 13:33.28 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/uI38r.jpg observer interface for heroes :D |
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| 15:04.24 | Arcane|Work | Nice job Ahli |
| 15:05.46 | Ahli | now I'm trying to replace the text labels on the screen at the top |
| 15:16.50 | Arcane|Work | I'm assuming Storms uses the same XML as current SC2 UI>? |
| 15:26.30 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/fishplayspokemon |
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| 16:13.00 | mille25 | hi |
| 16:14.08 | mille25 | A1win: Ahli Arcane|Work Deaeod Dustin JademusSreg: so appearantly dota2 is getting its own editor now :D |
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| 16:22.13 | Dustin | I saw that :D |
| 16:22.18 | Dustin | I figured that was gonna happen |
| 16:22.38 | Dustin | Since this exists already http://d2modd.in/mods |
| 16:23.01 | mille25 | they use LUA for scripting. |
| 16:23.07 | mille25 | which is already an advantage. :D |
| 16:23.16 | Dustin | Man I never learned LUA |
| 16:23.22 | mille25 | im wondering if thats the nail in the coffin for sc2 modding |
| 16:23.23 | Dustin | Was going to for WoW interfaces but never got around too it |
| 16:23.25 | mille25 | like... |
| 16:23.28 | mille25 | dota has more players |
| 16:23.30 | mille25 | a newer engine |
| 16:23.37 | mille25 | and appearantly a more professional editor now |
| 16:24.20 | Dustin | I heard that the new editor for Dota 2 is using Source 2 as well |
| 16:24.28 | mille25 | yep |
| 16:24.29 | Dustin | So ya, that's not looking good for blizzard |
| 16:24.33 | mille25 | nope. :D |
| 16:24.46 | Dustin | Only thing they got on Valve now is Assets |
| 16:24.48 | mille25 | im wondering how well it supports more advanced games though, like... third person |
| 16:24.49 | mille25 | stuff like that. |
| 16:24.54 | mille25 | i mean |
| 16:24.59 | mille25 | the engine can certainly do it |
| 16:24.59 | Dustin | Which Im sure will close the gap when users start making their own Dota 2 models for people to use |
| 16:25.04 | mille25 | but the question is if the dota2 editor will support it. |
| 16:25.34 | Dustin | Im hoping it will be like a hammer editor where you can do whatever you'd like that's supported by the engine |
| 16:25.55 | mille25 | im not sure if i like or dislike this |
| 16:26.00 | mille25 | it may completely kill sc2 modding |
| 16:26.06 | mille25 | but it may also make blizzard move their asses. |
| 16:26.08 | mille25 | not sure. |
| 16:26.23 | Dustin | Well we'll see how it goes when the Heroes Editor comes out |
| 16:26.32 | Dustin | Cause I like heroes over Dota 2 tbh |
| 16:26.37 | mille25 | recent interviews suggest that it will still take a while though |
| 16:26.48 | mille25 | smth along those lines of "we are focused on release and then think about the editor ..." |
| 16:26.54 | mille25 | note RELEASE |
| 16:26.56 | mille25 | its not even beta. |
| 16:27.21 | Dustin | yeahhh that could be their downfall |
| 16:27.27 | Dustin | They need a seperate team working on the tools |
| 16:27.35 | Dustin | Which I thought they had, but I guess not |
| 16:27.46 | mille25 | they do |
| 16:27.52 | mille25 | but they are also desperately recruiting |
| 16:27.53 | mille25 | :D |
| 16:28.38 | Dustin | lol ya, would be nice just joining the team |
| 16:29.00 | mille25 | http://pastebin.com/DdYcCh2C |
| 16:30.19 | mille25 | in general this page... http://www.nexuschamp.com/blizzard-engineers-reddit-ama-highlights-heroes/ |
| 16:31.44 | mille25 | #typicalblizzardanswers |
| 16:44.54 | Ahli | mille25 I've seen screenshots of that editor... we will see how good/bad it will be |
| 16:45.43 | Ahli | atm it's like a blizzconvideo with stuff you can create (omg lost vikings in 1-2 days, omg 3rd person shooter, etc) |
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| 17:02.24 | Arcane|Work | I'm curious, is it basically impossible for people to work in 2 environments? |
| 17:03.53 | Arcane|Work | mille25, Dustin, your comments leave the impression that either Valve will win or Blizzard will win with their respective dev environments. I take it a middle ground is not possible or is it all about network effect? |
| 17:04.47 | Arcane|Work | Also, doesn't surprise me Valve has new tools/engine, it is the only project they actually have to work on in a software context, outside of Steam itself. |
| 17:05.09 | Arcane|Work | Valve is smart though, making games is for suckers. |
| 17:05.27 | mille25 | not necessarily talking about "winning", but considering sc2s modding scene is not really at the healthiest state a new concurence product will certainly not be healthy for it. |
| 17:05.40 | Arcane|Work | It is like the California Gold Rush: The miners never got rich, but the hotel owner and the people selling them tool sure as hell got rich. |
| 17:06.47 | Arcane|Work | I'm curious why Valve would succeed over Blizzard. I can see only (although important) 2 things in their favor: A captive audience and more free stuff. |
| 17:07.49 | mille25 | well... dota2 has a way larger player base, the engine appears to be more modern and flexible and the tools more professional. of course time will tell how good they are, but there are definately some points in valves favour. |
| 17:08.07 | mille25 | at least theoretically. |
| 17:08.08 | Arcane|Work | Also, I was under the impression you could already develop games for Source, with the SDK. |
| 17:08.22 | mille25 | the new tools are explicitly for developing addons for dota2 |
| 17:08.26 | mille25 | not modding with source. |
| 17:08.37 | mille25 | its pretty much the sc2 editor for dota, from my understanding. |
| 17:08.39 | Arcane|Work | Well, the engine is modern sure, I would expect nothing less after 8 years of development... |
| 17:08.54 | Arcane|Work | or at least 10+ years since source 1 came out with HL2 |
| 17:08.59 | mille25 | sc2s engine is in development for 10 years. :D |
| 17:09.03 | Arcane|Work | ..???? |
| 17:09.22 | Arcane|Work | SC2 from inception -> release was less then 5 years |
| 17:09.40 | mille25 | "According to Rob Pardo and Chris Sigaty, development on the game, though initially delayed for a year by the temporary reassignment of Blizzard's resources to World of Warcraft,[32] began in 2003, shortly after Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne was released" |
| 17:10.12 | Arcane|Work | Interesting, I was under the impression it started much later or at least got revamped/rebooted a couple times on the way to release |
| 17:10.26 | mille25 | not sure if the actual engine is 10 years old |
| 17:10.33 | mille25 | but it must be pretty damn old. :D |
| 17:11.22 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, probably not, since starting a game =/= coding, easily a couple years before a single line of code was written, assuming they did a remotely competent job of it (they did afaict) |
| 17:11.42 | mille25 | weeelll... actually |
| 17:11.45 | mille25 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLsOF-c0_0 |
| 17:11.45 | mille25 | :D |
| 17:11.47 | mille25 | 2005 |
| 17:12.09 | mille25 | so coding could easily have started '04 |
| 17:14.18 | Arcane|Work | Interesting, I wonder how many times core code got totally revamped over the ages. |
| 17:14.28 | Arcane|Work | Quite a bit has changed in 10 years |
| 17:14.59 | Arcane|Work | In any case, the main point in valves favor? They don't have to give a shit about what anyone thinks about them. |
| 17:15.26 | Arcane|Work | Private company with a virtual monopoly on digital distribution |
| 17:16.10 | Arcane|Work | So the can take all the time in the world to do anything. Blizzard can ALMOST do the same (as stated in the AMA) |
| 17:17.19 | Arcane|Work | Certainly will be interesting. I do find it good to know Blizzard is well aware of some of the shortcomings of their stuff. |
| 17:18.12 | Arcane|Work | The main problem I think for SC2 engine is that it was made for an RTS, a genre which fundamentally is unpopular (strategy in general is unpopular, people don't like losing to out of game capabilities of ANY kind, even intelligence and thinking). |
| 17:19.03 | mille25 | the thing is: back then if you were a semi-professional modder, it was pretty much obvious to use the wc3 editor, but nowadays there is unity and now also the dota2 workshop tools. the question would be: why would you even still go to the sc2 editor? i understand that unity was more difficult to get into (assets and stuff) but the new dota2 workshop also has all of dotas assets built into it and such... |
| 17:19.06 | Dustin | Yeah the source engine is more robust in terms of types of games allowed |
| 17:19.20 | Dustin | It really depends on the stuff coming out of the Valve Dota 2 editor |
| 17:19.40 | Dustin | If people are able to make some really fun games that could take extra traffic away from sc2 arcade players |
| 17:19.51 | mille25 | im the last person dooming blizzard and so forth, but if the dota2 editor can produce awesome stuff then why the fuck would anyone get into sc2 modding? |
| 17:20.06 | Arcane|Work | Ahh, I should find the perfect reddit comment that reflects what you just said mille25. You are right, WC3 was the only game in town at the time, hence its popularity, but today, the options are vast. |
| 17:20.32 | Arcane|Work | So even if Blizzard had done everything right with the Arcade and what not, it still would not be as popular as people want it to be. |
| 17:20.45 | Arcane|Work | Its 2014, not 2004, in a nutshell. |
| 17:20.49 | mille25 | also, not to start a huge rant here but just today i looked up when the last meaningful update to the editor was, and the answer was not pleasing... |
| 17:21.11 | Arcane|Work | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft2/comments/2bcx08/how_is_ums_in_this_game/cj4dqld |
| 17:21.30 | Arcane|Work | Well... true, but what does the editor even need at this point??? |
| 17:21.46 | Arcane|Work | About the only meaningful thing we could use is better docs |
| 17:21.58 | Arcane|Work | The storm stuff is nice and all, but not necessary. |
| 17:22.08 | mille25 | buf fixes, performance improvements, new features. |
| 17:22.12 | Arcane|Work | (Although that depends on your project). |
| 17:22.28 | mille25 | actually |
| 17:22.29 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, fine suggestions, just useless, since not actionable. |
| 17:22.36 | mille25 | the game engine itself needs updates more than the editor. |
| 17:22.57 | Arcane|Work | Correct, the editor itself, imo, is fine, its the engine if anything. |
| 17:23.21 | mille25 | there are still countless things they could do for the editor though |
| 17:23.46 | mille25 | such as proper custom script support |
| 17:23.59 | Arcane|Work | Sure, but which ones are crucial, which ones are necessary, which ones are needed for moentization |
| 17:24.17 | Arcane|Work | Since I'm not as knowledgeable in that area, what is lacking for custom script? |
| 17:24.19 | mille25 | thats the right question. :D |
| 17:25.18 | Arcane|Work | between custom script flag, custom script action and native flag to provide GUI version of it, what are we missing? Are we looking for a full IDE with autocomplete/intellisense for it? |
| 17:25.27 | mille25 | yes. |
| 17:26.10 | Arcane|Work | Be far far easier to just write VS plugin lol. Last I checked, you can do almost anything in VS. |
| 17:26.45 | Arcane|Work | Blizzard would probably be best just giving us a VS plugin for galaxy, since they apparently use VS themselves plenty. |
| 17:27.11 | mille25 | maybe. but still how exactly would you test the script? always copy paste it manually into the editor? |
| 17:27.40 | mille25 | how would you choose regions from terrain, units, sound files? |
| 17:27.47 | Arcane|Work | Plugin would include a runtime command to the sc2 VM? Already exists. |
| 17:27.59 | Arcane|Work | As for regions, units, sound files, those are all defined in XML files |
| 17:28.09 | Arcane|Work | just parse/extract those |
| 17:28.17 | mille25 | thats true, but its not easy to work with. |
| 17:28.22 | Arcane|Work | And VS for sure can do XML parsing. |
| 17:28.41 | Arcane|Work | Well, that would be the point of the plugin, interface with those XML files |
| 17:29.13 | mille25 | would still not give a proper visual representation. in GUI i can open the terrain editor, select the region i want, and press Q to insert it. |
| 17:29.32 | Arcane|Work | The problem is, you should not be using the scripting that much, the data editor is meant to handle quite a bit. |
| 17:29.52 | mille25 | how is the date editor using game regions? |
| 17:30.16 | Arcane|Work | It doesn't (well, excluding region actors). |
| 17:30.24 | Dustin | Eh, ive never really liked the data editor |
| 17:30.43 | Arcane|Work | Too opaque, or too different? |
| 17:30.45 | mille25 | i mean, i get your point Arcane|Work , im not saying all this is really necessary and such |
| 17:30.52 | mille25 | but it would still be great so see some movement |
| 17:30.52 | Dustin | But i got use to coding everything in vJass back in the wc3 days |
| 17:31.00 | mille25 | like, dota2 editor uses LUA for example |
| 17:31.10 | mille25 | so i guess it wins the script duel easily, too. |
| 17:31.33 | Arcane|Work | We will have to see, it does appear Storm wil have LUA as well |
| 17:31.49 | Arcane|Work | Though it appears to be for UI stuff only |
| 17:31.52 | mille25 | when the sc2 beta came out, literally the day the editor came out the complaints begain about galaxy (that its missing key features) and that there is no proper IDE within the editor |
| 17:32.05 | mille25 | and still NOTHING happened, except getting struct and funcref years later. |
| 17:32.40 | mille25 | (and those are not accessible from gui, which is the only officially supported scripting mnethod) |
| 17:33.30 | Arcane|Work | I guess Blizzard failed to explain how the IDE would be unnecessary... I mean I can see why it is wanted, but the data editor and data driven thing solve a ton of things that normally would be handled with scripting. Since most people do normal coding or scripting, the idea that scripting is NOT the answer is probably difficult. |
| 17:34.17 | mille25 | yeah agreed. |
| 17:34.36 | mille25 | but it was still obvious from day one that every semi-professional coder wants a decent IDE |
| 17:34.46 | mille25 | not even talking about a perfect one like eclipse or some shit |
| 17:34.51 | mille25 | but at least some basic features |
| 17:35.05 | Arcane|Work | I guess I'm the oddball then, I rarely use custom script, and use the data editor for most things. |
| 17:35.15 | mille25 | non bugged syntax highlighting, proper spacing, autocomplete and such basic shit. |
| 17:35.57 | mille25 | i think you are right on that though, blizzard thought the data editor was brilliant and scripting was only necessary for basic stuff like missions. |
| 17:36.17 | Arcane|Work | And I'm frankly looking forward to Storm making more stuff data driven, like talent trees, because my current implementation in script is a frigging waste. |
| 17:36.44 | Arcane|Work | Hell, my talent trees are already half data driven. |
| 17:36.48 | mille25 | i remember them saying "you dont even need to code, you can just use our data editor!". unfortunately it turned out that learning how to use it can be more complex than just learing how to code and pretty much everyone hated it, escpecially beginners. |
| 17:37.32 | Arcane|Work | Well, they were right, and you are right. People were used to hammer and nails, they got handed a hammer, nailgun, screwdriver and an axe, and were like "huh???" |
| 17:38.41 | Arcane|Work | Also I think blizzard colossally underestimated the competence of most mapmakers. Most have no software background and thus the data editor went right over their heads. Plenty of coders who can "code" but don't understand WHY the code works at all. |
| 17:39.01 | Merc | so why didnt none of you bastards ask about documentation during that AMA |
| 17:39.14 | Arcane|Work | It was addressed |
| 17:39.18 | mille25 | haha |
| 17:39.35 | Merc | all they said was "we're not the team to ask for that sorry lol" I guess |
| 17:39.46 | Arcane|Work | A person asked what the one feature the tools team would love to have magically implemented with 0 effort, and they replied "Documentation" |
| 17:40.02 | mille25 | understandable. everyone hates documentation. |
| 17:40.15 | mille25 | at least writing it. :D |
| 17:40.20 | Merc | how can they not have documentation for their own software |
| 17:40.29 | Ahli | they attempted documentation of the sc2 editor a few times already |
| 17:40.50 | mille25 | one thing that always strikes me is when some obvious fields are documented |
| 17:40.55 | mille25 | and then you have some weird ass data field |
| 17:41.00 | mille25 | and no documentation at all. |
| 17:41.23 | mille25 | shit like Life - Maximum "The units maximum life." well thank you. |
| 17:41.54 | mille25 | and then there is smth like "actorphysicsimpactmaterialsoftbouncefactor" |
| 17:41.59 | mille25 | and no information. |
| 17:42.30 | Arcane|Work | Well, that was addressed |
| 17:42.31 | Arcane|Work | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2cmary/were_the_tools_engineers_behind_blizzards_heroes/cjgy44y |
| 17:42.31 | mille25 | trigger documentation is way better, but also leaks some information. |
| 17:42.50 | Arcane|Work | TL;DR, they are implementing stuff they end up never using, but leave it in anyhow. |
| 17:43.01 | mille25 | especially stuff like exceptions, for example it never states that random point in region can fail and return 0,0 in GUI. |
| 17:43.35 | mille25 | it also never explains stuff like starting indexes, or what happens when accessing non existing values |
| 17:43.52 | mille25 | (basically all the stuff thats not instantly obvious is missing) |
| 17:45.12 | Arcane|Work | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2cmary/were_the_tools_engineers_behind_blizzards_heroes/cjgxa1v?context=3, the comment about documentation |
| 17:46.06 | mille25 | Arcane|Work: interresting, i missed the one about the new features. |
| 17:46.29 | mille25 | im just wondering why they dont just patch them in more quickly. |
| 17:46.41 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, there is entire areas of the data editor unused by blizzard, like DSP effects |
| 17:47.25 | Arcane|Work | I just read all the answers under their unique username: http://www.reddit.com/user/blzt1tools |
| 17:47.28 | Arcane|Work | 2 pages |
| 17:47.41 | Arcane|Work | 3* |
| 17:48.05 | Arcane|Work | Also, go go UCI (my school :P) |
| 17:48.39 | Arcane|Work | I'm sorely tempted to join the VGDC and maybe apply at Blizzard. |
| 17:48.49 | Arcane|Work | Might just do it this year (final year). |
| 17:49.05 | mille25 | seems like they are searching desperately for their tools team |
| 17:49.08 | mille25 | the AMA and such |
| 17:49.13 | mille25 | might be a good chance now |
| 17:49.47 | Arcane|Work | Yes, they seem to have realized they need to expand/grow, and also resolve techinical debt (the change to CASC, the unification of B.net, the diversification of games). |
| 17:52.15 | mille25 | Arcane|Work: reading those answers now. |
| 17:52.43 | Merc | Arcane|Work: do it and get us FF invites |
| 17:52.58 | Merc | we're practically family now |
| 17:53.41 | mille25 | Brett - I once had an undo bug in the editor that took me two full days to track down. In the end the problem was a missing '&' in front of a local variable, causing the undo data to be copied rather than referenced. That was two days to find a bug that was fixed by adding a single character to the code. |
| 17:53.43 | mille25 | :D |
| 17:53.55 | mille25 | im glad im not the only one tracking down bugs for hours. |
| 17:54.36 | mille25 | C++: We have a 30page, 7500 word coding standard for C++. |
| 17:54.37 | mille25 | fuck :D |
| 17:55.34 | Deaeod | what the fuck did you standardize? |
| 17:55.56 | Deaeod | did you repeat the entire grammar of C++ |
| 17:56.16 | Arcane|Work | lol |
| 17:56.20 | Arcane|Work | ikr? |
| 17:56.21 | mille25 | not me, blizzard! :D |
| 18:01.04 | Deaod | well, to be fair, C++ is the swiss army knife of programming paradigms? |
| 18:01.11 | Deaod | ?->. |
| 18:01.47 | mille25 | well maybe, but i personally think that c++ code remains very well readable if the programmer doesnt go completely insane. |
| 18:02.35 | Arcane|Work | C++ is fine, its a compromise. You want OO, but don't want the performance hit of a VM. |
| 18:04.11 | Deaod | yeah, and then you start getting into templates |
| 18:04.27 | mille25 | heh, templates are the best feature of c++ :D |
| 18:04.34 | mille25 | just sucks that they sort of conflict with header files |
| 18:07.39 | Ahli | >_> can't work with mpq editors. they seem to tend to break the archive too frequently |
| 18:08.05 | mille25 | for sc2 maps, Ahli ? |
| 18:08.17 | Ahli | looks like an archive, heroes sees it's there, but it fails to properly use it ingame... older versions of that interface work, changing anything breaks the archive |
| 18:08.36 | Ahli | heroes maps, but basically the same, just that I don't have an editor and need the data within an mpq archive to test it |
| 18:08.36 | mille25 | :/ |
| 18:08.42 | Deaod | ehhhh, does heroes still use MPQs? |
| 18:08.48 | Ahli | maps are mpqs, yes |
| 18:08.52 | Deaod | ah |
| 18:08.56 | Ahli | or mods |
| 18:09.16 | mille25 | do maps contain any script? |
| 18:09.16 | Deaod | well, if anything breaks, why not report it to Ladik? |
| 18:09.19 | mille25 | or is it all data? |
| 18:09.47 | Ahli | old version seriously broke the archive. recent version looks good, but fails to be used ingame |
| 18:10.06 | Ahli | version 250 and 259 that is :< |
| 18:10.23 | Ahli | winmpq just corrupts the archive, but afaIk shadowflare doesn't alter winmpq anymore |
| 18:10.45 | Ahli | I think win8 is the problem >_> never had these problems before |
| 18:10.51 | Deaod | winmpq also doesnt support anything after Burning Crusade, right? |
| 18:11.12 | Ahli | winmpq seemed to work fine in sc2 |
| 18:11.23 | Ahli | but I had problems with it on win8, so I stopped using it |
| 18:11.56 | Ahli | load window freezes and kills win8's task manager (it remains in the simple view and you are not able to kill the process) |
| 18:12.15 | Ahli | or the application window is just... well.... not on the screen |
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| 18:21.35 | Arcane|Work | I assume you've tried compat modes? |
| 18:21.40 | Arcane|Work | Or running it as admin? |
| 18:31.29 | Ahli | http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/15109887/gameplay-responsiveness-update-07-08-2014 magic unveiled |
| 18:35.49 | mille25 | sadly no words about porting it to sc2 |
| 18:38.20 | mille25 | gogo, upvote my question guys! :D |
| 18:38.30 | Ahli | it's heroes blog, why would they explain that |
| 18:38.32 | Arcane|Work | Interesting, so they massively tweaked the engine. |
| 18:39.54 | Arcane|Work | optimized* |
| 18:39.54 | Ahli | mille your comment isn't visible to me, yet :< can you see mine? :D |
| 18:40.06 | Arcane|Work | I see Ahli, but not mille25 yet |
| 18:40.20 | mille25 | i cant see yours, ahli. |
| 18:40.21 | mille25 | wtf :D |
| 18:40.26 | mille25 | oh |
| 18:40.29 | mille25 | you are on EU |
| 18:40.31 | mille25 | must post on US. |
| 18:40.43 | mille25 | EU will most likely get ignored. |
| 18:40.53 | Ahli | well whatever |
| 18:41.15 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/15109887/gameplay-responsiveness-update-8-7-2014 |
| 18:41.16 | mille25 | :P |
| 18:41.35 | Arcane|Work | Gotta love the complainers... it is an Alpha FFS.... |
| 18:42.00 | Arcane|Work | Polished sure, but they are still wildly changing shit, and expect stuff to blow up. |
| 18:42.04 | Ahli | so, you are felep? |
| 18:42.37 | Ahli | am I the only one with just a single blizz acc? :D |
| 18:43.04 | Arcane|Work | Well, many people had their account merged with global play |
| 18:45.47 | mille25 | yes Ahli , just noticed my name is fucked up. :D should be upheaval arts |
| 18:47.23 | Ahli | I've sent data, before and after and file I imported to ladik... maybe I will hear back from him someday... |
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| 19:07.29 | Ahli | continues watching firefly... once you get past the first episode's few minutes, it's actually good |
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| 19:39.04 | Goa_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHWFVQxfhlA |
| 19:53.32 | Arcane|Work | Ahli: Firefly is good :D, make sure to finish up with the movie Serenity, it wraps up the series. |
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| 20:03.32 | Arcane|Work | So... we should take a poll and see how many of us here are posting from work :P |
| 20:03.49 | Arcane|Work | Work or Class* |
| 20:07.46 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
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| 21:26.23 | Goa_ | Firefly was such good series and ofcourse the fuckers canceled it:D |
| 21:29.00 | Arcane|Work | Mhmm |
| 21:29.23 | Arcane|Work | At least Serenity wrapped things up nicely, but yeah... |
| 21:36.16 | Dustin|Work | I love firefly :( |
| 21:36.32 | Dustin|Work | By wrapping up nicely, you mean killing everyone off right ? :P |
| 21:38.40 | Arcane|Work | Actually, no |
| 21:38.42 | Arcane|Work | :P |
| 21:39.00 | Arcane|Work | But no more spoilers will be given, go watch Serenity |
| 21:39.17 | Arcane|Work | (Assuming you were not in jest, and have actually not watched it) |
| 21:40.02 | Arcane|Work | In any case, fav character would be a tossup between Shephard and Kaylee |
| 21:40.11 | Arcane|Work | dons flamesuit |
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| 22:28.41 | Dustin|Work | I've seen it many times :P |
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| 23:40.08 | Dustin|Work | Sup my man Sixen |
| 23:40.29 | Sixen | hihi |
