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| 00:27.44 | Dustin|Work | Slow evening |
| 00:27.45 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yoink Boink |
| 00:27.56 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Mmhmm |
| 00:28.08 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So you work late shift? |
| 00:28.19 | Dustin|Work | Yup yup 2:30pm to 11pm |
| 00:28.25 | Dustin|Work | Tuesday - Saturday |
| 00:28.35 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Interesting |
| 00:28.47 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I assume you get to dodge traffic then? |
| 00:29.06 | Dustin|Work | Yup :D |
| 00:29.15 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Outstanding, ride on home at 90 :D |
| 00:29.17 | Dustin|Work | Nice sleepin in too |
| 00:29.43 | JademusSreg | Not slow from my perspective. =D |
| 00:30.00 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yes, I currently commute by public transit. Takes longer, but I can get stuff done instead of playing tag on the freeways. |
| 00:30.16 | Dustin|Work | Saturdays are the worst too cause every case is a Priority 1 |
| 00:30.32 | Dustin|Work | And a couple Australian calls |
| 00:30.42 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Fun |
| 00:31.12 | Dustin|Work | Soooo fun :P 3 more hours till Im off the phone at least |
| 00:31.21 | ckSynergy | O.o thats one long meeting lol |
| 00:31.33 | JademusSreg | That's what he said. |
| 00:31.39 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 00:33.48 | ckSynergy | So what got yall started in sc2 editing? |
| 00:33.56 | ckSynergy | Yall programmers by trade? |
| 00:34.27 | JademusSreg | I was invited prior to the WoL beta. |
| 00:34.40 | Dustin|Work | Ya been modding and programming since SC1 |
| 00:34.55 | JademusSreg | Curious, since I wasn't aware I had any notoriety back in the WC3 days. |
| 00:35.24 | Dustin|Work | Hehe Jade you remind me a lot of Vexsin from WC3 Camapaigns |
| 00:35.52 | JademusSreg | Haha, but in actuality I was Archmage Owenalacaster. =D |
| 00:36.32 | ckSynergy | thats one long ass name lol |
| 00:36.39 | JademusSreg | That's the short version. |
| 00:36.55 | ckSynergy | oh wow lol |
| 00:37.17 | ckSynergy | So, what has kept yall in the sc2 community as devs for so long? |
| 00:38.00 | JademusSreg | Archmage Golariamanesen Alurandesitishimahlisahdiharinahd Owenalacaster. |
| 00:38.27 | Dustin|Work | I like making maps for Blizzard games, that's about it lol |
| 00:38.42 | ckSynergy | oh geeze jademus lol |
| 00:38.50 | ckSynergy | what maps have u made dustin? |
| 00:38.55 | Dustin|Work | That and I've already put 3+ years into learning this editor, pointless to throw that time and knowledge away |
| 00:39.16 | Dustin|Work | Top Down Fighters, Hybrid Assault, Bomberlings, Star-Smash TV |
| 00:39.21 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I am a CSE student, so been programming/tinkering for a long time. I played NOTD for 2.5 years, and the main guy needed a replacement programmer. I didn't have much going on that winter break, so I volunteered, as a way to exercise my knowledge. |
| 00:39.38 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Been doing it ever since (1.5 years ago now) |
| 00:40.18 | ArcanePariah|Sch | The primary reason I've been at it is that I'm part of a solid team, we have all gotten to know each other fairly well and have been at this for a long time now. |
| 00:40.19 | Dustin|Work | I also did some work on Gem TD |
| 00:40.38 | JademusSreg | I enjoy tinkering, dissection, and honestly I adore the data-driven instruction and multi-layer recursive separation of concerns which characterize the galaxy platform (SC2 and Herostorm). |
| 00:41.41 | JademusSreg | For comparison, attemtping to bring a similar approach to minecraft was, for lack of a better term, horrifying. |
| 00:41.47 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Currently our main guy (Ability) along with 2 others are maintaining NOTD 1. Me and another guy (Kithrixx) are doing NOTD 2, Kith is the designer, with Ability acting as a CEO esque position, with me as primary developer. We also have a modeler and another person creating art assets and doing UI design. |
| 00:42.22 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Also another guy is doing sounds and animation selection, finding appropriate sounds/animiations/models for abilitie and units. |
| 00:42.33 | JademusSreg | considers recording himself pronouncing the full name. |
| 00:42.36 | ArcanePariah|Sch | As well as toss some ideas around. |
| 00:43.48 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I personally estimate it will take the next year or so to complete NOTD 2, and that bars any further enhancements. At this point NOTD 2 may as well be a full game project, since we are implementing so much stuff (Customization systems, AI, randomized mission/story progression, etc.). |
| 00:44.30 | ArcanePariah|Sch | For me personally, it has been an excellent exercise in designing and implementing a fairly large scale software project for the first time. |
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| 00:45.00 | IskatuMesk | mostly because I have nothing better to do |
| 00:45.17 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Also, another simple reason: JademusSreg |
| 00:45.21 | ArcanePariah|Sch | :P |
| 00:45.25 | JademusSreg | Haha, wat? |
| 00:45.48 | ArcanePariah|Sch | lets JademusSreg extrapolate |
| 00:45.50 | ArcanePariah|Sch | :D |
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| 00:47.01 | JademusSreg | overloads the ⥠operator. |
| 00:47.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And this is why I'm here :D |
| 00:48.36 | JademusSreg | Apparently I'm helpful or some shit. =D |
| 00:49.28 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Also, some things JademusSreg has mentioned are reasons I stick around. The data editor, for me, is simply amazing, since it permits complex interactions, but presented in a formal way that is provable to work, thus making bugs very rare in comparison to normal scripting. Actors are fascinating, mostly because I figured out WHY they were called actors, and it was not a random coincidence of naming. |
| 00:49.29 | Dustin|Work | Only if the person you're helping is smart enough to decode what you say :P |
| 00:49.55 | ArcanePariah|Sch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor_model |
| 00:50.31 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I wonder if I should edit that article to include Starcraft 2 in it. |
| 00:50.52 | JademusSreg | To be fair, I am an excellent communicator, but elect to scale my effort in explaining shit to how interested I am in the issue or subject. =D |
| 00:51.24 | JademusSreg | Arc, inverse. |
| 00:51.37 | Dustin|Work | Oh I know, but it's super funny watching people trying to decipher your sentences a lot.lol |
| 00:51.47 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yes, JademusSreg manages to utilize a wide set of vocabulary, while avoiding winning buzzword bingo. |
| 00:51.54 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
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| 00:52.07 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Quite a task |
| 00:52.53 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And I assume his inverse comment was how I tend to gravitate towards the topics he finds least interesting. |
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| 00:53.20 | Bounty | I think I'm going to attempt to hit the 3 days without booze mark. lol |
| 00:53.25 | JademusSreg | Woops. Larvae skittered across the keyboard. |
| 00:53.31 | JademusSreg | Wat did I miss? |
| 00:53.39 | Dustin|Work | <ArcanePariah|Sch> Quite a task |
| 00:53.39 | Dustin|Work | <ArcanePariah|Sch> And I assume his inverse comment was how I tend to gravitate towards the topics he finds least interesting. |
| 00:54.13 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Excellent, they are self educating themselves on technological devices. |
| 00:54.19 | JademusSreg | I mean include a similarly insightful outline of the actor model on the smapster wiki. |
| 00:54.53 | ArcanePariah|Sch | True. Sigh... so much to write down, but never enough time. |
| 00:55.04 | ArcanePariah|Sch | The one universal constant: lack of time. |
| 00:56.16 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I fear that the origins of Actors explains why so few can grasp them well. The underlying theory requires a fairly substantial CS background, as it requires being versed in messaging in a software context. |
| 00:56.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, mortality sucks but, given the complete lack of any possible (a priori) alternative, work with what you've got. |
| 00:56.32 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Something that traditionally is presented in a OS theory course. |
| 00:56.33 | JademusSreg | Same applies to galaxy, coincidentally./ |
| 00:56.38 | Dustin|Work | That 'Putting a human brain inside a robot body" project that is supposed to be ready by 2045 better be right |
| 00:56.46 | JademusSreg | -a priori- |
| 00:57.08 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Yeah well.. not so hyped about that, see Dr. Zola. |
| 00:57.15 | ckSynergy | lol @ jademus communication |
| 00:58.25 | JademusSreg | One can just as well be highly improbable outlier in the statistical data set of lifespans, effectively a probabilistic immortal, but it's not a certainty, merely a surprising sequence of contingencies. |
| 00:58.28 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Strangely enough, if one is well versed in Actors in SC2, one then possess the understanding necessary for large scale multi entity computer systems. |
| 00:58.59 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Which is increasingly important with ever larger scale distributed systems. |
| 00:59.27 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I imagine it is quite a task to begin to understand the infrastructure Google or Amazon have. |
| 00:59.50 | ckSynergy | lol Jademus. |
| 00:59.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:00.36 | ckSynergy | interesting way to say immortals are possible but not probable. |
| 01:01.25 | ckSynergy | Too few people can have conversaions in such a manner though. Its rather sad |
| 01:03.04 | ckSynergy | Arcane: Can you explain why Actors are called actors? Besides the fact they interact on various points (model and data) in game? |
| 01:03.18 | ckSynergy | I'm curious to know the source |
| 01:04.15 | IskatuMesk | butt pounding |
| 01:04.31 | ArcanePariah|Sch | See the wiki link above |
| 01:04.38 | ArcanePariah|Sch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor_model |
| 01:05.29 | ArcanePariah|Sch | If you wish, I can directly link the Fundamentals to their equivalents in sc2. |
| 01:05.54 | JademusSreg | Words are just another component in communication-as-play. Couldn't tolerate myself if I had other people's words rupturing from my mouth as shit from a burst waste management pipe. Same motive for my aversion to buzzwords. |
| 01:06.07 | IskatuMesk | swag |
| 01:06.12 | IskatuMesk | triple A |
| 01:06.15 | IskatuMesk | indfie |
| 01:06.18 | IskatuMesk | indie* |
| 01:06.23 | IskatuMesk | is your blood boiling yet, jade? |
| 01:06.44 | ckSynergy | Interesting read |
| 01:06.49 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Unlikely, unless JademusSreg decided to subject himself to a vacuum. |
| 01:06.50 | JademusSreg | Nope. I don't hold others to my standard, that would be value projection, an obstacle ot understanding. |
| 01:07.05 | JademusSreg | *to =D |
| 01:07.11 | IskatuMesk | well you confused me again |
| 01:07.13 | IskatuMesk | so there's that, I guess |
| 01:07.25 | ckSynergy | lol I understood him |
| 01:07.36 | IskatuMesk | I understand maybe 10% of what people say in this channel |
| 01:07.43 | JademusSreg | Apparently this is an ot: Ѿ |
| 01:07.51 | JademusSreg | Looks like a bum with a wig. |
| 01:08.08 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 01:08.29 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ot_(Cyrillic) |
| 01:08.52 | JademusSreg | Looks more like a jolly rump on wiki. |
| 01:09.31 | ckSynergy | Jade, if I may borrow your attention for a fraction of time, I attempted your idea of ability > persistent > persistent > etc, yet any kind of enumeration or search fail, identifying the origin unit at all times regardless of target launch location or impact location |
| 01:09.32 | JademusSreg | Certainly a cheeky fellow. |
| 01:09.53 | JademusSreg | Ah, gotta use the other term of the location correctly. |
| 01:10.16 | ckSynergy | Oh, Im sure I did, however I believe it's a bug with neutral units being the origin |
| 01:10.38 | JademusSreg | Which the demo illustrates. Persistents are especially nice for this, since effects further in the effect tree can refer to the preceding effect and its references. |
| 01:10.44 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 01:10.50 | JademusSreg | Neutral isn't special. |
| 01:11.39 | JademusSreg | (Well, besides a lot of hardcoded editor features and enum members and such. Haha) |
| 01:12.42 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 01:12.45 | JademusSreg | Anyway, paste the xml of all relevant data entries starting with the ability, and all the effects and validators. pastee.org is convenient. |
| 01:13.16 | ckSynergy | damn youd prefer to read it via xml? |
| 01:13.35 | ckSynergy | thats rather intense lol |
| 01:13.37 | JademusSreg | Most concise format. |
| 01:13.40 | ArcanePariah|Sch | ^ |
| 01:13.49 | ckSynergy | true true |
| 01:14.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | JademusSreg, where is the data stored for the various editor category entries? |
| 01:14.19 | ckSynergy | give me a second. I'm sure you'd fault me if I didnt attempt to correct my current errors in an effort to match what you had previously aforementioned |
| 01:14.37 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I wish to modify them to better suit my project and its organization |
| 01:14.58 | JademusSreg | Note that pre-editor, SC2 modders could only work with xml, script, and such. |
| 01:15.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no worries. At your leisure. |
| 01:16.20 | ckSynergy | Actually, would you fault me for being lazy and pasting what my current project looks like? |
| 01:16.23 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 01:16.48 | JademusSreg | So long as it is relevant, no fault at all. |
| 01:17.22 | ArcanePariah|Sch | For some reason I remember you saying EditorCatagories could take arbitrary inputs. |
| 01:17.53 | ckSynergy | hmmm, looking this over now, perhaps I should clean it up a bit |
| 01:17.58 | ckSynergy | This is embarassing lol |
| 01:18.41 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hardly, there is quite a few schools of thought that say software development in an evolutionary process, not one that can be designed and implemented as if it was an edifice. |
| 01:19.28 | Dustin|Work | pastee is my fav |
| 01:19.52 | JademusSreg | Embarassment is irrelevant, especially since one cannot reasonably judge a person on the products of inevitable. |
| 01:21.17 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So thoughts on my question JademusSreg ? |
| 01:21.25 | JademusSreg | Arc, yes. |
| 01:21.52 | ArcanePariah|Sch | I assume such settings or data are hidden away in some simple textfile, enumerating all values |
| 01:22.28 | JademusSreg | Doable in xml view. |
| 01:23.02 | ArcanePariah|Sch | My earlier question was: where are those values stored? |
| 01:23.12 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And can they be modified or overridden? |
| 01:23.39 | JademusSreg | Even entirely arbitrary content is retained, though only matching categories for the data tab display will appear in the columns. |
| 01:24.16 | ckSynergy | Cheers. https://pastee.org/465r9 |
| 01:24.27 | ckSynergy | I believe I cleaned it up properly, but I may have missed something |
| 01:24.33 | JademusSreg | Arc, results: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kis9zs2tp1c0ihe/ES_Epeeyn.png |
| 01:25.27 | ArcanePariah|Sch | But this must be done via XML entry, since the dropdown menu draws from some source unaccessible to us? |
| 01:26.32 | JademusSreg | Accessible in theory, not so much in practice. Core mod contains the editor xml files which defines all sorts of shit, including dropdown content. |
| 01:27.02 | JademusSreg | But editor categories are inheritable, so not a huge inconvenience. |
| 01:27.24 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hmm... possible to override, similar to how Assets.txt adds available entries for referencing assets? |
| 01:27.54 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So need to find relevant file and create a another localized to my dependency |
| 01:28.05 | JademusSreg | brb, I'll dissect your data paste when I return, ck. |
| 01:28.25 | ArcanePariah|Sch | (Which in my case is good because I have nearly everything stemming from one common dependency) |
| 01:28.52 | ckSynergy | sounds good |
| 01:30.40 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Of course, all the editor stuff is defined in its own XML files. |
| 01:30.53 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Including categories. Now to override them. |
| 01:34.59 | ckSynergy | Make a few corrections: https://pastee.org/xtry2 |
| 01:42.56 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:43.37 | ckSynergy | welcome back |
| 01:46.17 | JademusSreg | Gonna paste some of my demo data for comparison. |
| 01:49.08 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/euebf |
| 01:51.53 | JademusSreg | So first up is the improper usage of "OffsetVectorStartLocation" in your effects. Honest mistake. |
| 01:53.10 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 01:54.00 | ckSynergy | honestly, I would only use one persistent. Using 2 seems redundant |
| 01:55.37 | JademusSreg | Generally, you don't want to use the CasterUnit location value until you actually need to change the owner or apply a change to it. |
| 01:56.20 | ckSynergy | Aye, I perfer source |
| 01:56.54 | ckSynergy | but I didnt know if that was screwing up the validator somehow |
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| 01:58.37 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the important lesson here is scope. Each effect maintains a set of references within its scope, references it receives from an ability, behavior, or a preceding effect in the effect tree. |
| 01:59.26 | ckSynergy | Right... |
| 02:01.24 | JademusSreg | Location values can be employed to modify the references of the proceding scopes. So an ability's target unit can become the source unit of a preceding scope if so properly configured, which is desirable if one wants to effectively emulate an activity as though it were on behalf of the targeted unit. |
| 02:01.41 | JademusSreg | *proceding Haha |
| 02:02.26 | ckSynergy | so, with that said, can you explain why the scope of the enumeration validator "no enemies near", does not take effect? lol |
| 02:02.50 | ckSynergy | because by all means, setting the effect tree to inverse the source and target of the persistent should change the location values, but it doesn't register |
| 02:03.49 | JademusSreg | Line 20 |
| 02:04.22 | JademusSreg | WhichLocation matches the LaunchLocation; the latter is correct, but the former is not. |
| 02:04.47 | JademusSreg | Neutral has no enemies. |
| 02:05.30 | ckSynergy | Thats a different validator |
| 02:06.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, but worth pointing out. =D |
| 02:07.15 | ckSynergy | Irrelevant, because the location needs to be the caster, regardless, heres an update for how I would setup the code, without outside influence. https://pastee.org/gpjxa |
| 02:08.20 | ckSynergy | and I would expect the validator on line 35 to function correctly because of the inverse scope gathered from the persistent, however it registers as from a neutral unit (the original source) |
| 02:09.06 | Bounty | Best inventions ever? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYAAy8Q_smU |
| 02:09.08 | ckSynergy | bah this code, theyre backwards in the paste, but still, it fires as if from neutral regardless |
| 02:09.10 | JademusSreg | But it's not used anywhere. |
| 02:09.42 | JademusSreg | Or rather NoEnemiesNearTarget. |
| 02:09.43 | ckSynergy | is there a way to edit pastes instead of creating a new one every time? |
| 02:09.51 | ckSynergy | I keep forgetting updates |
| 02:11.08 | ckSynergy | https://pastee.org/yba68 |
| 02:11.27 | ckSynergy | I'd say that one is accurate, however I'm sure Id be shooting myself in the foot |
| 02:11.52 | JademusSreg | Also, behaviors are problematic as mentioned previously. Their effect trees will likely not have access to the effect trees which applied them. =D |
| 02:13.26 | ckSynergy | While it may be relevant, the enumeration validator has the same issue if chained to a remove behavior + switch effect earlier in the application chain |
| 02:14.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, here's the simplest approach I figure: ability > persistent with periodic and initial validation at target unit, finish (not final) effect applies the behavior to the caster unit from the target unit. |
| 02:14.49 | Dustin|Work | aww man another hour and 15 |
| 02:14.58 | Dustin|Work | Slowest Saturday everrr |
| 02:14.58 | JademusSreg | 1 ability, 2 effects, 1 validator, 1 buff |
| 02:15.50 | ckSynergy | That ignore the issue of behavior removal |
| 02:15.55 | ckSynergy | *ignores |
| 02:16.11 | ckSynergy | and again, the initial validation at target unit would fail |
| 02:16.20 | ckSynergy | (I tried it) |
| 02:17.12 | ckSynergy | It doesnt matter where in the effect chain you place the enumeration validator, it always registers as being cast from a neutral unit |
| 02:17.34 | ckSynergy | (even while assuming the correct scopes are applied) |
| 02:18.03 | JademusSreg | No worries, I'll demonstrate later tonight when I've got more time. Needless to say, the solution is elegant, in that the behavior doesn't apply until the persistent finishes, and then once captured can be recaptured by other forces simply through the application of a new behavior. |
| 02:18.13 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:20.26 | ckSynergy | It's not about initial application of the behavior. That's easily controlled. It's about removal after it's already been applied. The behavior acts as a timer |
| 02:24.37 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Dustin|Work, patience of a virtue :D |
| 02:24.44 | ArcanePariah|Sch | (Sorely tested one though). |
| 02:26.10 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Play some storm when you get home? I'll be on |
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| 02:45.38 | IskatuMesk | lard |
| 03:10.18 | Bounty | Is there anything that oregano and garlic salt do not make better? |
| 03:13.04 | ckSynergy | I doubt it |
| 03:13.57 | Dustin|Work | I might Arcane, depends on if the wife wants to go to bed when I get home or not |
| 03:38.24 | IskatuMesk | ah, these complex models I can definitely use for Dark Era golemancers and astromancers |
| 03:38.31 | IskatuMesk | I had a great idea for animating their mechanical parts |
| 03:38.46 | IskatuMesk | I just need to figure out how to animate the transparency in two different ways... |
| 03:39.13 | IskatuMesk | Will a specific animation in a standard animation containing information for a section a GL animation has (say material alpha) override that GL animation? |
| 03:42.21 | JademusSreg | Hm, uncertain, beyond my realm of experience, but I expect that given the relatively autonomous animation of the GLs that they wouldn't complain so long as they are not also modifying such information. |
| 03:42.57 | IskatuMesk | yeah... it would be to specifically override it, haha |
| 03:43.26 | IskatuMesk | I was going to GL animate sort of a transparency/phasic effect on the golem portion if I could figure out how to get the material to look any good, and specific animations would cause it to fully phase-in |
| 03:45.07 | JademusSreg | ck, regarding the display of timer bars, see the Ability field Progress, or the corresponding XML element<ShowProgressArray index="Cast" value="1"/> (index includes the various phases, boolean value) |
| 03:45.07 | IskatuMesk | I also have no idea how blizzard did the phase-in for protoss building end construction or, say, cloaking, where only the edges glow |
| 03:45.38 | JademusSreg | Art tools don't have an example of it? |
| 03:45.53 | IskatuMesk | art tools doesn't have examples of much beyond the basis |
| 03:46.42 | ckSynergy | progress bars dont display for enemies, do they? |
| 03:47.07 | JademusSreg | Perhaps after I achieve demonstrable mastery over AI I'll take a shot at modeling. |
| 03:47.19 | JademusSreg | ck, that should be configured from the actor. |
| 03:47.21 | IskatuMesk | not actually sure where they hide that stuff... |
| 03:49.09 | IskatuMesk | now I remember, blizzard's that company that has to stick things in weird places |
| 03:49.17 | grim001 | I now have ultimate power over shaders |
| 03:49.40 | IskatuMesk | there's a couple of examples here... nothing specifically what I am after... but possible I can extrapolate something.. |
| 03:50.29 | IskatuMesk | if a death animation contains the effect we're in business. But I don't remember that being the case. |
| 03:50.37 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 03:50.38 | ckSynergy | thinks |
| 03:50.51 | IskatuMesk | also... that feel when they won't preview out of the box... grrr |
| 03:50.51 | JademusSreg | grim, any chance you'll vomit something up on the Tuber of Yous? People enjoy video demos. =D |
| 03:53.58 | IskatuMesk | bah. if their stalker example had the blink scenes they'd be perfect. of course the base scene lacks those.. |
| 03:55.44 | IskatuMesk | curiously enough they have an example of one of their organic cliff scenes. I think fixing the uvs would be too difficult a task, though. |
| 03:58.12 | ckSynergy | Well, I tested, and still facing the same issue with the validator directly on the persistent |
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| 04:00.00 | IskatuMesk | Hey. There's a siege tank model in here. I wonder if I can fix the horrible animations... an experiment for another day, perhaps. |
| 04:00.50 | ckSynergy | hmmm wait |
| 04:01.33 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately, nothing I can extract information from in how that glow-in effect works. I think maybe only Delphinium would know |
| 04:01.34 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:01.38 | IskatuMesk | or maybe Zolden |
| 04:05.34 | ckSynergy | nope, same issue |
| 04:06.16 | ckSynergy | Changed the ability so it channeled, and as soon as I add the enum validator, it breaks. |
| 04:07.33 | JademusSreg | One moment, I'll implement a solution in an old demo I have with a node capture mechanic. |
| 04:08.33 | ckSynergy | Look forward to it |
| 04:08.47 | IskatuMesk | I think this is another texture you can have emissive fun with |
| 04:09.19 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 04:09.50 | JademusSreg | Isolating the gold parts for spec takes far longer than isolating the glowy regions. =D |
| 04:10.33 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/56YDaAs.png |
| 04:11.49 | JademusSreg | Quothe The Raven. |
| 04:11.52 | IskatuMesk | I need to do a fair bit of fixing on this one. The first texture yielded an appropriate spec but the second one didn't, so there's some inconsistency in what is shiny and what isn't. I also think it will turn into a mess in small size, so I may simplify the mesh a bit |
| 04:40.45 | grim001 | Jademus, did you ever figure out whether the driver update solved your issues with the last demo I sent? |
| 04:44.10 | JademusSreg | Been rather preoccupied, haha. Not even certain it installed any drivers, found myself in a surreal twilight procedure loop where the very tool which purported to alert me to my need for new drivers would link me to a page to download and install itself ad infinitum rather than even approximate an actual solution. |
| 04:44.46 | IskatuMesk | interns |
| 04:45.22 | JademusSreg | But it did remind me where to get the damn drivers, inadvertently and I am fairly certain despite its best efforts to do so. |
| 04:45.42 | JademusSreg | *not to do so |
| 04:46.19 | IskatuMesk | now your TNT 2 is right up to speed with the latest and greatest |
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| 05:24.53 | ArcanePariah|Sch | JademusSreg, next storm patch should be interesting, because it probably includes some interesting revisions to the engine itself |
| 05:26.55 | ArcanePariah|Sch | http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13087848791?page=7#124 |
| 05:28.20 | JademusSreg | Woooá´á´áµâͦá´áµá´âͦ |
| 05:31.35 | ArcanePariah|Sch | It suggests they lowered the forced latency, either arbitrarily or through some optimization. |
| 05:31.50 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Should be interesting what the result is. |
| 05:31.52 | JademusSreg | ck, pretty sure I've got a working solution, but haven't yet tested, and am getting sleepy. I'll toss it on paste, worry about it tomorrow. |
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| 05:40.23 | JademusSreg | Thar we go: https://pastee.org/r8w39 |
| 05:40.42 | JademusSreg | Hopefully it's not bugged, didn't bother testing. |
| 05:40.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:40.47 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 05:57.42 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ioqytwEC8g&#t=167s |
| 05:59.27 | ckSyn-mobile | I'll check it out tomorrow, getting late, but from first look, looks exactly like what I already tested, minus a different scope on the validator |
| 05:59.29 | Bounty | rofl |
| 06:12.58 | ckSyn-mobile | Ummm, that code is validating enemies of the caster. I'm trying to validate enemies of the target |
| 06:13.30 | ckSyn-mobile | Also, if it's neutral, it'll identify player units as neutral, not enemy |
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| 07:22.30 | EntityEnigma | has anyone ever had an issue with an ability increasing the selection size of a unit? |
| 07:22.56 | EntityEnigma | i have a buff that increases the selection box of the unit when its used |
| 07:23.00 | EntityEnigma | kind of anoying |
| 07:23.19 | EntityEnigma | when it active |
| 07:45.09 | Merc | o.0 |
| 08:42.17 | EntityEnigma | this is always the worst time to try to figure things out |
| 08:55.51 | Merc | sunday morning and super nice weather in europe, so yea |
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| 15:39.06 | turtles1 | Found a bug |
| 15:40.00 | turtles1 | "unit type in training queue" used to either return a unit type or a "no game link" |
| 15:40.22 | turtles1 | it now also returns an upgrade which might be occupying that slot |
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| 17:04.21 | Repo | New map: Doomed Earth: End of Days - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/doomed-earth-end-days/ |
| 17:04.43 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/51/12/2.jpg |
| 17:04.47 | Delphinium | hmmm |
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| 19:19.50 | ArcanePariah | Good morning |
| 19:20.05 | ArcanePariah | Or afternoon |
| 19:20.08 | ArcanePariah | Or evening |
| 19:20.10 | ArcanePariah | or night |
| 19:20.12 | ArcanePariah | or day |
| 19:20.19 | ArcanePariah | (Did I forget any?) |
| 19:21.51 | ckSyn-m2 | Nope lol |
| 19:30.50 | mille25 | according to sheldon cooper pre evening is a thing, too. |
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| 19:48.35 | pirate | also witching hour |
| 19:48.57 | pirate | exists outside of real time |
| 19:52.37 | JademusSreg | So the witching hour is complex time composed of real and imaginary times? |
| 19:54.04 | pirate | no idea what it's composed of |
| 19:54.13 | pirate | only when it exists |
| 19:55.32 | JademusSreg | Number joke. |
| 19:57.24 | pirate | as expected |
| 20:12.19 | Bounty | I swear this is by far my favorite and probably the best video on youtube lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q |
| 20:12.36 | Bounty | At least, its the best of the Star Size comparison vids. |
| 20:14.15 | Bounty | always a good way to start the day imo. |
| 20:16.47 | pirate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35rb8oY8pk |
| 20:16.52 | pirate | is my favorite |
| 20:17.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:17.30 | Bounty | Lacks "Lightning Bolt" |
| 20:18.01 | pirate | lightning bolt is for nubs |
| 20:18.13 | pirate | everyone knows fireball scales better |
| 20:19.09 | Bounty | Would probably get PETA on their ass if they did the fireball thing though. |
| 20:19.24 | Bounty | and 1 billion views. |
| 20:19.25 | pirate | I dont think PETA exists in russia |
| 20:20.13 | Bounty | The separation between countries via oceans or just distance shall not damper their bitching. |
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| 20:20.53 | pirate | they can bitch all they want |
| 20:21.17 | pirate | still not going to change treatment of bears and/or pigeons in russia :P |
| 20:22.02 | Bounty | Pigeons must be different in Russia. I think one of the most amazing things about that video is they caught 4 pigeons.... |
| 20:22.09 | pirate | lol, right? |
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| 20:35.27 | ArcanePariah | As for time, I particularly consider the dialog presented in Babylon 5 (TV series) about the infinite possiblities that exist between the moments, tick and tock, as quite insightful |
| 20:35.35 | ArcanePariah | (yes, 45 minute necro later) |
| 20:43.54 | ArcanePariah | mille25, how goes things? |
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| 20:47.14 | mille25 | ArcanePariah: endless work to do for SCU, still trying to enjoy my holidays though |
| 20:47.45 | ArcanePariah | hmm, know the feeling. |
| 20:47.59 | ArcanePariah | Anything I can provide information on to assist? |
| 20:50.25 | Ahli_ | holidays? don't u have exams? |
| 20:51.41 | mille25 | over already. :) |
| 20:51.50 | ArcanePariah | watches Ahli_ rage :P |
| 20:52.00 | ArcanePariah | or are you done too Ahli_ ? |
| 20:52.20 | Ahli_ | starting next week... |
| 20:52.44 | mille25 | >:D |
| 20:52.58 | ArcanePariah | ouch... excuse my ignorance of German education, but how are you having examines in late July? |
| 20:53.07 | ArcanePariah | exams* |
| 20:53.25 | Ahli_ | semester starts in april |
| 20:54.06 | ArcanePariah | So... does fall semester start in like october/november? |
| 20:54.20 | Ahli_ | october, yes |
| 20:54.30 | ArcanePariah | Ok, that makes more sense. |
| 20:54.34 | Ahli_ | and we call it summer and winter semesters |
| 20:54.40 | ArcanePariah | Interesting. |
| 20:55.13 | ArcanePariah | 16 weeks per semester I presume? |
| 20:57.00 | Ahli_ | I don't know... officially it's 6 months |
| 20:57.31 | ArcanePariah | 0.o. Is there any kind of break between the end of one year and the beginning of next? |
| 20:57.42 | Ahli_ | for me it starts in the second week of october/april and exams start with late july/early february |
| 20:57.46 | ArcanePariah | Or is it pretty much back to back? |
| 20:58.22 | Ahli_ | there are breaks... and they are too long |
| 20:58.37 | mille25 | there is no such thing as "too long" breaks. :D |
| 20:58.41 | Ahli_ | I wish they would spread out the exams instead of pushing everything into 3 weeks |
| 21:00.18 | ArcanePariah | Everything in 3 weeks = ??? |
| 21:00.23 | ArcanePariah | Exams take place over 3 weeks? |
| 21:00.32 | ArcanePariah | Or is that the length of breaks. |
| 21:00.36 | Ahli_ | everything is within those 3 weeks at my university, yes |
| 21:00.41 | Ahli_ | directly after lectures |
| 21:01.20 | mille25 | its usually 2 weeks for me for all exams D: |
| 21:01.24 | Ahli_ | I've spare time from 7th August till ~6th October |
| 21:02.31 | ArcanePariah | Interesting... |
| 21:04.00 | ArcanePariah | Just as a contrast, for me, exams are all in 1 week. We either have 16 week semesters or 10 week quarters (2 semesters or 3 quarter per year). Semesters tend to start in late august, and go to mid december, then from janauary to late may. Quarters are late Sep to December, jan to march, then march to june. usually have a 10-12 week summer break and 1-2 week winter break. |
| 21:04.05 | ArcanePariah | and 1 week spring break. |
| 21:06.19 | Ahli_ | oh jesus, 1 week |
| 21:07.54 | ArcanePariah | Yes, all nighters are fun :/ |
| 21:08.12 | ArcanePariah | Usually mixed in with final due dates for projects. It gets nuts |
| 21:08.28 | ArcanePariah | Usually, for a normal schedule, 1 exam per day. |
| 21:08.34 | ArcanePariah | Sometimes more then 1 |
| 21:08.44 | ArcanePariah | If you are lucky/unlucky |
| 21:17.43 | Bounty | Any other Canadians in Ontario happen to see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmWp7LhndXA |
| 21:17.59 | Bounty | Thats some X Files shit lol |
| 21:20.57 | Bounty | nvm just saw the original date, still interesting though. |
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| 22:30.02 | Bounty | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/68811-kitchen-derby/#p1 |
| 22:30.11 | Bounty | Go getum JademusSreg |
| 22:30.12 | Bounty | =P |
| 23:26.01 | grim001 | woo, transform feedback |
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