| 00:00.23 | Bounty | http://store.steampowered.com/app/255420/ |
| 00:00.37 | Bounty | anyone tried it yet? |
| 00:31.42 | Dustin_Hendricks | nopee |
| 00:31.53 | Dustin_Hendricks | Havent played magic since highschool |
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| 01:04.30 | Dustin_Hendricks | Ugh Im bored |
| 01:04.33 | Dustin_Hendricks | Someone entertain me |
| 01:04.54 | Charys | what if |
| 01:05.27 | Charys | they're planning a big streamed announcement of the winners |
| 01:06.25 | Dustin_Hendricks | Highly doubt it |
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| 01:10.02 | Swordman | Can u guys help me? I'm trying to create an Unit AI that escapes from Zombies when they are too near. My Problem is to find a good path, because there are multiple zombies from different directions. Any advice how to do that? |
| 01:10.47 | pirate | how are you currently doing it? |
| 01:11.13 | pirate | (why would they stream the finalists announcement) |
| 01:13.57 | Swordman | so, nobody has got an Idea? |
| 01:14.08 | pirate | ...I have many ideas |
| 01:14.08 | Dustin_Hendricks | Pirate just asked you a question |
| 01:14.13 | pirate | ^ |
| 01:14.17 | Dustin_Hendricks | nobody can read? :P |
| 01:15.02 | Swordman | how i'm currently doing it? well, i tried a lot of things, but they all ended with a dead Marine |
| 01:15.11 | pirate | ... |
| 01:15.25 | Swordman | so to be clear, i have no clue how to do it currectly |
| 01:15.34 | Swordman | *correctly |
| 01:15.55 | pirate | Are you using trigger events when zombies get close? Are you modifying existing GUI AI data? Do you have a complex array of search and issue order effects? |
| 01:16.51 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/qi2Feew.png |
| 01:17.40 | Swordman | yeah i'm using trigger events. I haven't tried to modify existing GUI AI data, and i have a lot of triggers for movement, building, etc. But the only thing i can't get working is the escaping |
| 01:18.09 | pirate | alright, so outline the current trigger you have to handle your escape AI |
| 01:18.22 | pirate | and we'll tell you how to make it better |
| 01:19.28 | Dustin_Hendricks | Sounds like you'll probably need to impliment some sort of lite version of A* pathing to check all the paths and layout the shortest route with no zombies around it |
| 01:19.40 | Swordman | basically i scan every angle of the marine. And then it moves to the angle where less zombies are. That's not very efficient and doesn't work good. |
| 01:19.41 | JademusSreg | Tactical AI makes sense on a per unit basis. Here are some helpful natives that will automagically find optimal points: native point AIRandomSpawnPoint (int player, region r, fixed minDistFromEnemy, fixed maxDistFromEnemy, fixed maxDistFromBuilding ); native point AIBestTargetPoint (unitgroup group, int minHits, int damageBase, fixed minScore, fixed radius, point from, fixed range, int |
| 01:19.42 | JademusSreg | bonusAttri ); |
| 01:20.44 | Swordman | well, my Editor is in german, so i'll need some time to find those things |
| 01:21.26 | JademusSreg | Galaxy script has no localization. |
| 01:21.51 | Swordman | i prefer clicking |
| 01:22.56 | JademusSreg | Dunno if standard GUI has access to all the natives, AI natives in particular. |
| 01:23.22 | Dustin_Hendricks | Ya if you want to do GUI you'll probably have to make GUI Wrappers for the native functions |
| 01:23.23 | Swordman | it has, found it |
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| 01:29.10 | Bounty | Dear god Phil |
| 01:29.14 | Bounty | It has grown again. |
| 01:29.19 | phil___ | I'm being overrun |
| 01:29.24 | phil___ | soon I will be more _ than phil |
| 01:29.45 | Bounty | Just "l_________ |
| 01:30.07 | Bounty | maybe put some numbers after phil? |
| 01:30.22 | phil___ | So I was all pumped today to get my third monitor, but then a crack happened so now I have to return it |
| 01:30.27 | phil___ | first world problems |
| 01:30.43 | phil___ | personally I dislike number appending |
| 01:30.49 | phil___ | but soon I may be forced to |
| 01:31.34 | Bounty | waits for JademusSreg to link the first world problems song. |
| 01:31.45 | phil___ | I had no idea one existed |
| 01:31.55 | phil___ | I'm good with just the lyrics though, not in a song-listening mood |
| 01:31.57 | Bounty | Just one of many things Jade has shared with us |
| 01:32.01 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:32.09 | Bounty | Did you order it online? |
| 01:32.13 | phil___ | yeah |
| 01:32.18 | Bounty | damn, thats the worst =/ |
| 01:32.18 | phil___ | luckily 2 day prime shipping |
| 01:32.23 | phil___ | so it will be here friday appurrently |
| 01:32.41 | phil___ | otherwise I may have to call ups and tell them to put it on hold because I'll be on a week fam vacation up north |
| 01:32.57 | phil___ | yeh |
| 01:33.12 | phil___ | but once I have 3 monitors, I'll feel whole again |
| 01:33.19 | phil___ | had it at work when I lived in boulder CO |
| 01:33.23 | phil___ | but now I work remotely |
| 01:33.26 | phil___ | in Wisco |
| 01:33.31 | Bounty | my first S27a950d came with the infamous corner bleeding |
| 01:33.41 | phil___ | ah shitty |
| 01:33.57 | Bounty | went for the 750d instead. |
| 01:34.03 | Bounty | and now its discontinued |
| 01:34.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:34.20 | phil___ | I remember reading a shit ton about how to choose a monitor - came away with "there's no third party standards for colors/black/refresh rate measuring - so go with a good brand" haha |
| 01:34.26 | phil___ | ouch |
| 01:34.38 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 01:34.40 | Bounty | yeah, Samsung is my preference |
| 01:34.47 | IskatuMesk | monitor? |
| 01:34.52 | phil___ | samsung is the way to go, been liking these asus monitors though |
| 01:34.59 | phil___ | a bit cheaper and still decent |
| 01:35.04 | IskatuMesk | got a nice samsung 24" from a few years ago, they don't sell 'em anymore |
| 01:35.07 | Bounty | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001474 |
| 01:35.10 | IskatuMesk | wish I could get a second |
| 01:35.11 | phil___ | aye |
| 01:35.11 | Bounty | is what I have |
| 01:35.49 | Bounty | also, 3D is awesome if you don't wear headphones lol |
| 01:35.56 | Bounty | which = useless |
| 01:36.00 | phil___ | this is my guy - been rollin with one for a couple years and finally bought a second: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005BZNDS0/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
| 01:36.05 | phil___ | ah yeah true |
| 01:36.21 | Bounty | nice |
| 01:36.54 | phil___ | it's too bad lan parties were popular back when CRT's were the only option |
| 01:36.56 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:37.05 | phil___ | do people still lan anything these days? |
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| 01:37.13 | phil___ | howdy arcane |
| 01:37.49 | Bounty | I think so phil, but its probably more of a dark alleyway type community in the sense of numbers and people knowing it exists. |
| 01:37.56 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:38.17 | phil___ | damn - I honestly haven't requented a "channel" since back when I played this game "ragnarok" |
| 01:38.46 | phil___ | that was such a community based grinding game that somehow kept my attention for a couple years due to private servers and learning how to actually run one |
| 01:38.51 | phil___ | back in my newb programming days |
| 01:39.56 | Bounty | communities have been stripped of what it means to be a community. Instead its really just a whole shit load of people breaking up into their own little communities lol |
| 01:40.06 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:40.25 | Bounty | Back in the day, 1 game, 1 community |
| 01:40.27 | phil___ | well in the world of anyone can meet anyone online, it's kind of a natural side-effect |
| 01:40.35 | Bounty | indeed |
| 01:40.56 | phil___ | but yeah that ragnarok game, small private servers consisted maybe of 60 people |
| 01:40.59 | Bounty | Probably has to do with how frowned upon gaming was back in those days as well |
| 01:41.05 | phil___ | so you could consider that one community |
| 01:41.13 | phil___ | mmm yeh |
| 01:41.20 | Bounty | EQ had a few thousands per server |
| 01:41.27 | phil___ | damn |
| 01:41.27 | Bounty | had a community feel, was very interesting. |
| 01:41.34 | phil___ | yeah that's pretty cool |
| 01:42.22 | JademusSreg | Back in my day, we sentenced Socrates to death for corrupting the youth, it's all been downhill since he came along. |
| 01:42.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:42.57 | phil___ | bounty you understood that? |
| 01:43.06 | Bounty | .... |
| 01:43.14 | Bounty | wipes the spit off of his face. |
| 01:43.16 | phil___ | I have no idea what that meant |
| 01:43.17 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:43.32 | phil___ | *trying |
| 01:43.37 | phil___ | ok |
| 01:43.42 | phil___ | ah that's how you do it |
| 01:44.06 | Bounty | =P |
| 01:44.21 | Bounty | philosophy typically meant death "back in the day" lol |
| 01:44.43 | phil___ | and any science that didn't directly involve killing enemies |
| 01:45.10 | Bounty | eh, not so much |
| 01:45.21 | Bounty | You could pretty much turn any discover into a way to kill some mo fo's |
| 01:45.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:45.32 | Bounty | discovery* |
| 01:45.50 | Bounty | WTB Gravity Gun |
| 01:46.38 | ArcanePariah | sup phil___ |
| 01:47.10 | ArcanePariah | Any bizzare or weird issues for me to chew on today? |
| 01:47.15 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:47.30 | phil___ | actually it was the end of the billing period yesterday, so I worked as much as I could |
| 01:47.36 | phil___ | didn't touch the editor unfortunately\ |
| 01:48.04 | phil___ | just a disappointment from what I thought would be a powerful text module editor - after realizing how the naming scheme worked |
| 01:48.38 | phil___ | I was hoping to point all editor prefixes to a single key |
| 01:48.43 | phil___ | but I don't think that's possible |
| 01:52.16 | JademusSreg | Refering to the rather persistent bias in the perception of degradation, "they changed it now it sucks", often as part of some cultural trend; so persistent is this bias that it spans, well, all recorded history. |
| 01:52.42 | ArcanePariah | all history* ftfy |
| 01:52.56 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:53.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:53.21 | phil___ | it's just now we have the internet to allow swarms of people to unleash their anger |
| 01:53.39 | phil___ | in the form of useless soon-to-be-forgotten text |
| 01:53.39 | Bounty | Yeah, without learning to control it :) |
| 01:53.57 | JademusSreg | I cannot assert it predates records of history, that is the objective sequence of causitive events prior to the inventiom of writing. |
| 01:54.00 | phil___ | what brought that thought up jade |
| 01:54.06 | JademusSreg | 'However likely that is.' |
| 01:54.41 | JademusSreg | Talk about community degradation. |
| 01:56.35 | Dustin_Hendricks | Phil you lived in Boulder? I was planning on moving there at some point |
| 01:57.04 | Bounty | The segways are quite astounding tonight. |
| 01:57.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:57.25 | Dustin_Hendricks | :D |
| 01:57.36 | Dustin_Hendricks | Chimpanzee Riding on a Segway! |
| 01:58.54 | phil___ | ah yeah? |
| 01:58.58 | phil___ | haha |
| 01:59.18 | JademusSreg | How about segway riding a segway? |
| 01:59.32 | phil___ | personally I don't suggest living in boulder - but how old are you? |
| 01:59.43 | phil___ | I'm 26, moved there when I was 23 1/2 |
| 01:59.50 | Dustin_Hendricks | 28 |
| 01:59.50 | phil___ | lived there for 2 1/2 years |
| 02:00.06 | phil___ | it's a personality thing - there are a shit ton of hippies in that town |
| 02:00.24 | Dustin_Hendricks | Main reason is they have a NetApp branch there and I jsut got hired ontoo netapp, so Iw as gonna transfer at some point |
| 02:00.27 | phil___ | I love denver, I'd personally suggest living close to denver, but it never hurts to try boulder out and see what you think |
| 02:00.36 | JademusSreg | Still protesting about Vietnam? |
| 02:00.37 | phil___ | hmm |
| 02:00.39 | Dustin_Hendricks | Yeah denver was the alt plan |
| 02:00.47 | phil___ | well, don't commute from denver to boulder |
| 02:00.52 | Dustin_Hendricks | I'm kind of a hippie myself in some regards lol |
| 02:00.58 | phil___ | and one nice thing about boulder is it's a college town, so things are open late |
| 02:01.02 | Bounty | I'm sure I misspelled the word but I swear I could never find the proper way to spell it lol. |
| 02:01.08 | phil___ | then yeah - it wasn't for me, but it might fit your personality better |
| 02:01.19 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:01.39 | phil___ | but public transportation is damn good |
| 02:01.45 | phil___ | 5$ ride to/from denver |
| 02:01.56 | phil___ | 13$ ride one way to/from airport |
| 02:02.24 | phil___ | getting around boulder is very do-able on a bike, one of the bike friendliest places in the US supposedly |
| 02:02.34 | Dustin_Hendricks | Nice, I drove up to Denver earlier this year for a vacation, drove up to a small mountain town that was like covered in 7 foot of snow |
| 02:02.38 | phil___ | I mean, I had a car, but I travel to boulder once a month for a week |
| 02:02.51 | JademusSreg | Snowy photos. |
| 02:02.51 | phil___ | haha yeah the mountains are incredible |
| 02:03.38 | phil___ | and jade - the online communities complaint is most likely correlated with nostalgia |
| 02:04.07 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 02:04.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:04.18 | phil___ | and the fact that I went from being in school to having a job, so communities never had a summer void to fill |
| 02:06.27 | phil___ | my least favorite "it used to be great" complaint was the overly general, war vet motto "this next generation of kids has gone bad" |
| 02:07.02 | phil___ | I don't understand how so many people come up with that view in complete earnest. |
| 02:07.37 | JademusSreg | Endeavour to be more understanding? =D |
| 02:07.44 | phil___ | hmm |
| 02:07.50 | phil___ | I could, but complaining allows for more humor |
| 02:09.00 | phil___ | hokay - back to mapping what I lost in a bsod -.- |
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| 02:20.56 | Dustin_Hendricks | blah blah blah |
| 02:23.49 | Ahli | sup? |
| 02:24.05 | Dustin_Hendricks | Bored :( |
| 02:24.07 | Dustin_Hendricks | 1 hour of work left |
| 02:24.16 | Ahli | :< |
| 02:24.24 | Ahli | clean your working area |
| 02:24.49 | Dustin_Hendricks | Already did that, all my cases are worked and theres 13 people ahead of me in the phone que |
| 02:25.00 | Ahli | send cat pictures to IT support |
| 02:25.28 | Dustin_Hendricks | hehe, I might type up some more docs for my Evolve type map im planning |
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| 03:11.16 | Dustin_Hendricks | Allll byyyy myselffff |
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| 03:40.20 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 03:44.25 | turtles1 | hi |
| 03:45.21 | IskatuMesk | wat new |
| 03:46.13 | ArcanePariah | Me, I'm new, need lessons |
| 03:46.16 | ArcanePariah | :) |
| 03:46.18 | turtles1 | working on an AI. just finishing making it be able to budget money for upcoming large purchases |
| 03:46.25 | IskatuMesk | i give u lessons, wat lessons u want sir |
| 03:46.30 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 03:46.32 | turtles1 | shame I can't do the same for myself in real life :( |
| 03:46.36 | IskatuMesk | haha |
| 03:46.40 | ArcanePariah | lawl |
| 03:47.18 | turtles1 | also wanting to get voice recordings for my build order trainer map |
| 03:47.27 | philaway | ah |
| 03:47.38 | turtles1 | preferebly from an SC2 community personality |
| 03:47.43 | ArcanePariah | Let's see, need lessons on how make more hours in a day, how to clone myself to do work + mapping at same time. |
| 03:47.43 | IskatuMesk | I'd be up for it but the heat is insane and I can't afford to turn off these fans |
| 03:47.43 | philaway | are there build order maps already out there? |
| 03:48.02 | IskatuMesk | well first, what you need is a hyperbaulic time chamber... |
| 03:48.14 | ArcanePariah | At this point, I think there are build order extension mods |
| 03:48.15 | turtles1 | preferably Gillyweed cause her voice sounds good on the audio builds she does |
| 03:48.27 | ArcanePariah | Which are far more useful/flexible |
| 03:48.37 | IskatuMesk | never heard of her |
| 03:48.38 | philaway | hm |
| 03:50.55 | turtles1 | yeah, it's an extension mod |
| 03:51.15 | turtles1 | shows you a list of steps for your build and ticks them off when you complete them |
| 03:51.21 | IskatuMesk | I am not a community personality unless you count the amount of redditards I made angry in my early public casting days |
| 03:51.34 | IskatuMesk | but I do voice acting, just not in crazy heat |
| 03:51.41 | turtles1 | Want to get an audio prompt as well |
| 03:52.32 | turtles1 | whilling to dish out $50 or something for someones time to record them saying things like "Build an SCV" and "Research yamato cannon" |
| 03:52.44 | philaway | that's reasonable |
| 03:52.53 | philaway | considering it's not like you're selling this as a product |
| 03:53.07 | philaway | find someone who's not super concerned about money and wants to help out |
| 03:53.14 | IskatuMesk | https://soundcloud.com/iskatumesk/ |
| 03:53.29 | IskatuMesk | money is not really an issue for me, I'd need 5k to make a big hit on my current crisis, but I can't do VA right now |
| 03:54.07 | IskatuMesk | you'll undoubtably find someone else before I am available |
| 03:54.12 | philaway | ha |
| 03:55.33 | turtles1 | philaway if you want to test out my build order trainer extension mod I'm always happy for testers |
| 03:55.43 | philaway | what races do you have |
| 03:55.57 | philaway | I have a brother who is actually playing sc attempting to get competitive with it |
| 03:56.02 | philaway | he terran's |
| 03:56.19 | philaway | I'm sure he wouldn't mind testing your map out |
| 03:56.29 | turtles1 | It's on Bnet but I haven't made any proper tutorial |
| 03:56.34 | turtles1 | all races |
| 03:56.38 | philaway | ah cool cool |
| 03:56.55 | philaway | where'd you get the build orders from? |
| 03:57.01 | philaway | just random tuts? TL? |
| 03:57.16 | turtles1 | it comes with an editor so players can define their own |
| 03:57.22 | philaway | ah damn |
| 03:57.24 | philaway | that's awesome |
| 03:57.32 | philaway | but I figured that's the best way to go about it too |
| 03:57.47 | turtles1 | will later come with a "record" feature so it can record your build, but that will not be for ages |
| 03:57.53 | philaway | ha yeah |
| 03:58.01 | turtles1 | but it also comes with 6 builds by default |
| 03:58.05 | turtles1 | 2 for each race |
| 03:58.26 | philaway | I'll get him in touch with you tomorrow, if yas got an email |
| 03:58.33 | philaway | otherwise I'll be on this irc tomorrow as well |
| 03:58.48 | turtles1 | sure, anonymoose_@hotmail.com |
| 03:59.10 | turtles1 | or username = turtles on TL |
| 03:59.23 | turtles1 | I'm assuming he has a TL account |
| 03:59.39 | turtles1 | theres a few other pro players who have used it over time |
| 03:59.53 | turtles1 | not for the build order part which is newer but for other features |
| 04:01.17 | turtles1 | IskatuMesk - bookmarked for later |
| 04:02.26 | philaway | yeah he doesn't have a TL account |
| 04:02.30 | philaway | he's high diamond atm |
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| 04:03.05 | philaway | played bw mostly UMS and played fastest - no real melee. Just in the last 6 months has he decided to try out melee |
| 04:19.17 | philaway | well shit - at first I was pumped that enforcing a unit's height below zero didn't push the unit below the ground |
| 04:19.26 | philaway | however the height for that unit is still negative |
| 04:19.37 | philaway | I had assumed the minimum was ground level |
| 04:19.51 | philaway | and by below zero - I mean the default ground level |
| 04:20.48 | turtles1 | How are you modifying the units height? |
| 04:21.17 | Ahli | the unit's base height needs to be below 0 :< |
| 04:21.52 | Ahli | I've set all unit's base height to -2 just for the effect of being lifted out of the ground |
| 04:22.35 | philaway | what do you mean by that ahli? "the unit's base height needs to be below 0" |
| 04:22.50 | philaway | and turtles1 - I'm using the "modify unit" effect |
| 04:24.21 | philaway | I think I just thought of an alternative solution to my problem though. |
| 04:24.43 | philaway | still in the early stages of learning effects/triggers/map making in general |
| 04:41.21 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
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| 04:43.48 | Ahli | philaway: unit -> height: -2 |
| 04:45.43 | Ahli | when I wanted to lower the height of units below 0, it never worked unless I used that negative unit's base height. On spawn, I correct their height. Maybe Blizzard made negative height modifications in data possible in the past 3 years. |
| 04:46.55 | turtles1 | Anyone know how the "Get full make time" function works? |
| 04:47.37 | Ahli | but then you need to be careful with launch effects. I had a problem with them resetting the height of the unit to -2 again. I've used a trigger to solve it. But I'm not sure if they altered it again to maintain previous height changes. |
| 04:48.02 | turtles1 | nevermind, didn't read the description properly, ok new question: anyone know how to find the make time WITHOUT the requirements? |
| 04:49.38 | turtles1 | or if the requirements are based on what you alread have? |
| 04:51.18 | philaway | notta clue |
| 04:52.43 | philaway | and Ahli - I still don't understand the problem you were solving by making the unit's height -2. I was setting it below 0 because I'm an idiot with effects and wanted to make sure all my lifted units got to the ground in case I missed any. |
| 04:53.03 | philaway | but now I plan on using behaviors instead of persistent -> search effects |
| 04:53.33 | philaway | so it will be impossible to miss any |
| 04:54.32 | Ahli | yeah, the problem is that modify unit nor behaviors should be able to lower the height below the unit's base height |
| 04:55.22 | philaway | ah I see |
| 04:55.30 | philaway | good to know |
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| 05:29.25 | turtles1 | Is there an easy way to find out how much a research costs? there is an inbuilt cost function for units but not upgrades/researchs |
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| 05:39.58 | Ahli | the costs are defined in the ability, not within the upgrade itself |
| 05:40.22 | turtles1 | yeah. same with units though, right? |
| 05:41.33 | Ahli | units have costs within themselves |
| 05:41.44 | turtles1 | oh, ok :( |
| 05:42.50 | turtles1 | that's going to be a pain in the but then figuring it out |
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| 07:43.50 | philaway | damn |
| 07:44.00 | philaway | I just added some nasty triggers to make my jump look real'er |
| 07:44.03 | philaway | the impact anyway |
| 07:45.13 | turtles1 | What do you mean by the "impact" ? |
| 07:45.22 | philaway | I'll give a gif |
| 07:45.24 | philaway | one moment |
| 07:45.37 | philaway | I've been working on this move as the basis for me learning how shit works |
| 07:45.40 | philaway | for the past week or so |
| 07:47.05 | philaway | http://i.gyazo.com/184ed1a5a053f7fc20c8d4be90a0e224.gif |
| 07:47.30 | philaway | so I went almost strictly off this guy's tutorial - http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/9021-data-force-effects-intermediate-difficulty/#posts |
| 07:47.57 | philaway | for the impact portion of it, but the lift/drop bothered me because the guys in the center lifted off just as high as the guys on the edge |
| 07:48.35 | philaway | so I had to find a way around it - and the only way I could find was some trickery with when to add and subtract heights |
| 07:48.41 | philaway | the timings* |
| 07:51.07 | philaway | I also wanted to avoid units being recalled in the middle of it and having messed up heights the rest of the game |
| 07:52.05 | philaway | anyway I'm finally happy with how it looks |
| 08:06.47 | turtles1 | cool. So you're doing this to investigate how things work? |
| 08:07.09 | turtles1 | The only thing I don't like is how the lings all spread out before the Ultra jumps |
| 08:11.22 | philaway | Well - that portion is necessary unfortunately |
| 08:11.47 | philaway | I couldn't find a way to make the pathing for the jump (missile launch) land in the midst of units, without allowing it to land in a building |
| 08:12.25 | philaway | And actually I looked into it for so long that I'm fairly confident it's impossible |
| 08:14.09 | philaway | The launch missile effect uses the "Placement" flag to make sure it picks a suitable area to land, and so the units have to clear for it to be suitable. The cool part is how quickly they scatter, that took me a while to figure out (very temporary movement speed along with the applied force on the arrow which will be hidden in practice) |
| 08:15.03 | philaway | I wish forces could be applied to points, but from the testing I did, it seems forces can only be applied from units to units |
| 08:15.07 | philaway | using the force effect anyway |
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| 10:58.04 | ThePhail | Hello guys |
| 10:58.49 | ThePhail | A guestion: I was thinking about a plot for a campaign, and the very basic start is that protoss/terran take some primal zerg to a desert planet to see how they adept etc |
| 10:59.00 | ThePhail | but i dont know if i want it to be protoss or terran, any advice or ideas? |
| 11:07.49 | JonesFK | ThePhail: why they are working together? what are their motivations is one just tagging along? who came up with that plan and for what reasons? any hidden goals? individually or as a group? paint that story in as many layers as you can, then decide which individual the player should identify with |
| 11:08.25 | ThePhail | I was thinking about having only a terran group or a protoss group, not both JonesFK |
| 11:08.53 | JonesFK | well, that takes a lot of complexity out of it ;) |
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| 11:09.21 | thephail_ | sorry, i disconnected |
| 11:09.26 | thephail_ | did you say anything? |
| 11:10.01 | JonesFK | "well, that takes a lot of complexity out of it ;)" |
| 11:10.07 | thephail_ | yeah :P |
| 11:10.14 | thephail_ | But i was asking which one you think i should use |
| 11:22.41 | turtles1 | I think Terran makes more sense |
| 11:23.13 | turtles1 | I could see them wanting to experiment on Zerg. Protoss want to only escape from or eradicate zerg |
| 12:07.56 | JonesFK | the "humans are reckless with experiment, experiment goes wrong and hilarious gore ensues"-trope is well established, indeed |
| 12:11.49 | turtles1 | exactly - scientist experiment goes wrong and everyone dies. A morality tale about upity, arrogance of science and people who read books |
| 12:14.23 | turtles1 | Just needs some sharp-shooting "every-day-man" to enter the situation, say things like "in english, dexter" whenever someone tries to explain something to him and maybe bang the hot scientest chick after she removes her glasses |
| 12:14.43 | turtles1 | bam! Plot! |
| 12:14.48 | Merc | I'd watch that. |
| 12:15.38 | Merc | ofc the scientist chick is only hot after removing the glasses and shaking her hair out |
| 12:15.47 | Merc | slow motion |
| 12:16.00 | Merc | italian bloom porn filter |
| 12:16.11 | turtles1 | with a strategically placed fan to blow her hair around |
| 12:16.12 | Merc | *groovy music* |
| 12:17.02 | Merc | and ofc amazing oneliners from the dude who's about to bang her |
| 12:17.10 | Merc | "Let's see how far science can go" |
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| 12:18.11 | Merc | I should clearly add lore to my game as well |
| 12:18.31 | Merc | "the protoss have kidnapped the beings of azeroth to perform experiments on them and maybe bang them" |
| 12:20.07 | turtles1 | Sounds compelling |
| 12:20.18 | Merc | imagine the fanart |
| 12:20.44 | Merc | probably already exists if I know the internet right |
| 12:20.52 | turtles1 | I'm sure there is a whole lot of zerg "fan art" |
| 12:21.36 | Merc | *tumbleweed* |
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| 13:13.30 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/50/949/3333.gif |
| 13:13.49 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/50/946/1111.gif |
| 13:14.06 | Delphinium | @JademusSreg 0.0 |
| 13:16.05 | Delphinium | I have made a model with some different texture animations. Is it possible to translate them to other model throw SC2 Editor just likes last time we talked about "Cloak" texture animations |
| 13:16.33 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/50/947/2222.gif |
| 13:16.33 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/50/948/2212.gif |
| 13:19.37 | Merc | looks awesome |
| 13:19.54 | Merc | that tauren looks familiar |
| 13:20.10 | Delphinium | Yeah, Gamon |
| 13:20.15 | turtles1 | Super Sayan Tauren |
| 13:20.16 | Merc | :D |
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| 13:20.26 | Merc | Gamon back for revenge |
| 13:20.54 | Merc | that green glow looks really nice, kinda like a healing spell |
| 13:22.20 | Delphinium | Yeah, it used to be a healing spell, but finally we use the Chinese elements. |
| 13:23.29 | Delphinium | In Chinese tradition, the water cures injury. So the blue one is healing spell now. |
| 13:23.42 | Merc | ah |
| 13:24.21 | Merc | so there's a seperate chinese version, or will that be for all? |
| 13:24.49 | Merc | probably doesn't matter, water as healing effect is easy to imagine |
| 13:25.18 | Delphinium | It's four different skills, each of them comes from a Chinese element. |
| 13:25.36 | Merc | what is the green element+ |
| 13:25.39 | Delphinium | So this Gamon is a Monk now. |
| 13:25.42 | Merc | the punching was fire I reckon |
| 13:26.12 | Delphinium | It's "Wind" speed up the character and blow enemy away. |
| 13:26.28 | Merc | is it "Wu Xing"? |
| 13:26.44 | Merc | or 五行 |
| 13:27.06 | Merc | Wood, Water, Fire, Metal, Earth |
| 13:27.13 | Merc | sounds like a manowar album |
| 13:27.18 | Delphinium | Yeah that's it, but there are too many Explanations on that. |
| 13:27.56 | Delphinium | So some one think the Water, Fire, Earth, Wind is also a good version |
| 13:28.26 | Merc | the ancient greeks were into that werent they |
| 13:28.39 | Delphinium | We used this one to help western players easier to understanding. |
| 13:29.29 | Merc | sometimes, player dont need to understand |
| 13:29.39 | Merc | a bit of mystery can be alluring |
| 13:30.13 | Delphinium | Yeah, the elements are very style. |
| 13:30.45 | Delphinium | Here I just want the color of each element impressive |
| 13:30.55 | Merc | in Gamon's world though, There's Nature, Holy, Frost, Fire, Shadow |
| 13:30.58 | Merc | maybe some more |
| 13:32.41 | Merc | or was that changed for the chinese players maybe? I heard WoW went through a lot of changes before it was allowed on the chinese market |
| 13:34.04 | Merc | undead characters have no visible bones or something at least |
| 13:34.05 | Delphinium | Yeah, that's true, but these changes are mostly violence reducing, the stories and spells maintains. |
| 13:34.18 | Merc | ok |
| 13:34.51 | Delphinium | Yeah, that's local policies, but I don't think it's right. |
| 13:36.40 | Delphinium | Hmm, nanakey is asking me to help her joining this mirc room. |
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| 13:37.14 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 13:37.29 | ArcanePariah | Good morning |
| 13:37.42 | Merc | mornin' |
| 13:37.47 | Merc | or afternoon |
| 13:37.57 | Delphinium | Or night(China) |
| 13:38.01 | Merc | Is nanakey the one that works with you on the mod? |
| 13:38.57 | Delphinium | Yeah |
| 13:38.57 | Delphinium | She is good at almost everything on SC2 editor, but knows little on English. |
| 13:39.36 | Merc | chatting online is what made me learn english |
| 13:39.40 | Merc | that, and Baywatch ofc. |
| 13:39.49 | ArcanePariah | Lol |
| 13:40.27 | Delphinium | Days ago she asked me to share my communion tools and forum IDs on sc2mapster and skype |
| 13:40.32 | turtles1 | Baywatch? lol |
| 13:40.38 | Delphinium | So now we get a start. |
| 13:41.18 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious, are there many mappers in China? Other then Renee, I know of no others. |
| 13:42.02 | ArcanePariah | Always wanted to get other perspectives and share insights. |
| 13:43.16 | Delphinium | Yeah, there are some mapsters in China, some of them are top guns like the "Modder's Crusade" team |
| 13:43.22 | Merc | language barrier can be a problem, unfortunately |
| 13:43.31 | Merc | and yeah, baywatch |
| 13:43.35 | Merc | don't judge me! |
| 13:43.47 | Delphinium | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.32 | Delphinium | There are several mapsters are high skills and alive now, like Renee and nanakey. |
| 13:44.57 | turtles1 | I'm imagining you speaking English and sounding like David Hasselhof cause that's where you learned |
| 13:45.14 | Delphinium | But on art tool part, I saw no other skilled modeller in China. |
| 13:45.26 | Merc | does that sly Hasselhoff smile. |
| 13:45.47 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, what are the other platforms are some going to? |
| 13:46.25 | Delphinium | I am not sure, but they got investments and moved to ipad and iphone games |
| 13:46.34 | ArcanePariah | Ahh. |
| 13:47.06 | Delphinium | and if you know Renee |
| 13:47.16 | Delphinium | you may also know her forum. |
| 13:47.37 | ArcanePariah | Good that they are diversifying. always useful to have a good toolbox. |
| 13:47.42 | Delphinium | http://bbs.islga.org/forum.php |
| 13:49.17 | Delphinium | This forum called Goblin Academy, it has many skilled(but lazy) SC2 editor users. |
| 13:50.41 | ArcanePariah | Interesting forum names, although I'm certain Google is messing up the translation. |
| 13:50.52 | Delphinium | usually there are discussions and solutions on the technologial problems but it seems there are only few alive map projects. |
| 13:51.39 | ArcanePariah | Dictatorship Field is probably not right. |
| 13:52.55 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I've been of the mind that one of the editors largest strengths and weakness is that it was designed for a team. |
| 13:54.36 | Merc | mythical man month |
| 13:54.52 | ArcanePariah | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.05 | Delphinium | Yeah, the sc2 projects are very complicated and more memebers can overcome the hardest problems. |
| 13:55.16 | Merc | you'd probably love that book, but I guess you've already read it ArcanePariah |
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| 13:55.52 | ArcanePariah | Well mythical man nth only applies to late projects due to the complexity of software and communication overhead. |
| 13:56.03 | ArcanePariah | Yes I have. |
| 13:56.17 | ArcanePariah | Excellent book |
| 13:56.27 | Teratron | hey dustin anything on sort system ? |
| 13:57.19 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 13:58.42 | ArcanePariah | ultimately I've seen too many comments that sc2 is harder to learn but so much more powerful then Wc3. Largest thing mentioned is the UI, unchangeable in WC3, sc2... I barely recognize most ui in custom games. |
| 13:59.48 | ArcanePariah | And storm takes that further, command card will be totally customizable. |
| 14:00.54 | Delphinium | there will be GUI or UI editor in Storm |
| 14:01.10 | Delphinium | And nanakey and I prefer model UI as well. |
| 14:01.17 | Delphinium | they looks cool. |
| 14:02.14 | Teratron | hello! |
| 14:02.26 | Delphinium | Hi 0.0 |
| 14:02.29 | Teratron | hey guys I made a timer thing |
| 14:02.35 | Teratron | and it doesn't work for some reason still |
| 14:02.45 | turtles1 | how do you create a section of code so you can minimize/restore it in the editor? |
| 14:03.50 | ArcanePariah | UI Editor already in sc2, just incomplete (certain elements can't be changed, can't save changes) |
| 14:05.04 | ArcanePariah | But yes, allowing models as part of UI is quite nice and slick. |
| 14:05.22 | ArcanePariah | turtles1, explain? |
| 14:05.49 | turtles1 | the trigger editor has a nice little functionality where you can group sections of code |
| 14:06.08 | turtles1 | and use the little + / - next to it to min/maximize it |
| 14:06.12 | ArcanePariah | yes action groups. |
| 14:06.35 | Merc | I'm kinda looking forward to making new UIs for my races |
| 14:06.41 | turtles1 | thats it! thanks |
| 14:06.56 | Merc | but I reckon if they update it soon, whatever has been made will be broken? |
| 14:07.19 | Merc | it's flashbased now, isnt it? |
| 14:07.29 | ArcanePariah | also, left/right arrows are hotkeys to expand/minimize. |
| 14:08.03 | ArcanePariah | Merc, no, see ui files for swarm. |
| 14:08.39 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard did not change ui for swarm at all, they simply overrode their own ui files. |
| 14:08.48 | Merc | cool |
| 14:09.35 | ArcanePariah | There is a way to conditionally load ui elements. the ReqiredDefined field. |
| 14:10.36 | ArcanePariah | I need to examine to figure it out, Blizzard uses it to conditonnally load swarm ui based on game being swarm or WoL |
| 14:11.28 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8o2JV.gif |
| 14:11.30 | ArcanePariah | If I can learn it, one could then have near automatic dynamic UI. |
| 14:12.13 | Delphinium | This one is the UI I have made before, still it not fully functional since nanakey is still working on another part. |
| 14:12.27 | ArcanePariah | ... that's with UI in Sc2? Damm nice. |
| 14:12.40 | Delphinium | Yeah, that's a UI |
| 14:13.09 | ArcanePariah | lol, more looks like mass effect, nice work. |
| 14:13.37 | Delphinium | thanks, I get this preview in the cutscene editor. |
| 14:14.30 | Delphinium | and nanakey asked me to split the model, and this is how it looks in editor. |
| 14:14.31 | ArcanePariah | 0.o, everything in that is a model? |
| 14:14.40 | Delphinium | Models |
| 14:14.54 | Delphinium | about 11 models finally, |
| 14:15.07 | Delphinium | So it can show special animations as well. |
| 14:15.22 | ArcanePariah | Sweet. |
| 14:16.51 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/afkW9/4fbcdea30e.jpg |
| 14:17.20 | Delphinium | such as the star map it's a model for background. |
| 14:17.38 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/afkZc/5b9b8f19e3.jpg |
| 14:17.45 | Delphinium | and this is for windows. |
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| 14:36.46 | mille25 | :D |
| 14:37.05 | Ahli | ? |
| 14:37.32 | mille25 | im happy to see you guys! :) |
| 14:37.41 | turtles1 | :D |
| 14:38.01 | Guest20111 | 0.0 |
| 14:38.31 | mille25 | appearantly Guest20111 doesnt like me. |
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| 14:40.02 | mille25 | i start hating design documents. http://s1.directupload.net/images/140717/4c2h9esv.png |
| 14:40.46 | Arcane|Work1 | :D |
| 14:40.53 | Arcane|Work1 | And what are those for? |
| 14:41.00 | mille25 | SCU. :D |
| 14:41.07 | Arcane|Work1 | Hehe |
| 14:41.29 | mille25 | also, new version of the generic container library: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/64793-generic-container-library-with-gui-support/#p6 |
| 14:41.33 | Arcane|Work1 | Why not break them up into small subprojects |
| 14:41.37 | Arcane|Work1 | And modules |
| 14:41.43 | A1win | or a wiki |
| 14:41.44 | mille25 | this is a subproject |
| 14:41.45 | mille25 | haha |
| 14:41.49 | Arcane|Work1 | Instead of that wall of text... looool |
| 14:42.06 | Arcane|Work1 | Christ, what is in there? Blueprints for a nuke? |
| 14:42.22 | mille25 | secret. :D |
| 14:43.18 | Arcane|Work1 | Pfft |
| 14:43.35 | mille25 | you can try to zoom in and read the font though.. :P |
| 14:43.41 | Arcane|Work1 | Well... now that I think of, NOTD 2 isn't much different, just have stuff in various threads on our forums |
| 14:44.03 | Arcane|Work1 | But also, if compiled into a document, would be quite lengthy. |
| 14:44.41 | mille25 | im starting to doubt my choice of being the programmer. :D |
| 14:45.12 | mille25 | nah just kidding... mostly its fun. i just hate stuff like animation tuning and such. |
| 14:45.15 | mille25 | its very tedious |
| 14:45.19 | A1win | we found wiki to be superior to forums/documents for documentation in our HL2 mod project |
| 14:45.31 | Arcane|Work1 | Ahh yes, animation timing is a pita at times. |
| 14:45.47 | Arcane|Work1 | A1win: Yes. At my work we end up using all the above :) |
| 14:46.12 | Arcane|Work1 | Got a wiki, which contains design docs, which can be commented on :P |
| 14:46.21 | Arcane|Work1 | (Its a clusterfuck imo, trying to clean it up) |
| 14:46.38 | A1win | we had links to forum discussions on wiki instead of using wiki comment pages, which suck ass |
| 14:46.53 | turtles1 | Cool. I've had my eye on those container libraries for a while now. Will take a look into using them for whatever my next project might be |
| 14:46.57 | mille25 | sometimes i feel like wikis are overrated, especially when there is no proper overview page. |
| 14:47.12 | turtles1 | do many others use it? |
| 14:47.30 | A1win | it was quite a lot of work to manage, though |
| 14:47.31 | mille25 | turtles1: no idea, im using it productively for SCU since some time though, so dont worry. :D |
| 14:47.41 | Arcane|Work1 | mille25: Yes, Wikis are nice but maintaining a proper link structure is hard, and it often becomes a bastard hybrid of a flat/web and hierarchal structure. |
| 14:48.17 | mille25 | we had a wiki at my old workplace, too. |
| 14:48.28 | mille25 | the problem was that there was no overview page so you had no idea what even to search for |
| 14:48.33 | mille25 | so it was kinda... pointless. :D |
| 14:48.37 | A1win | :x |
| 14:48.57 | Arcane|Work1 | Ultimately, I think the structure is almost irrelevant, it has more to do with the discipline of the editor and also (if anyone) the maintainer. |
| 14:49.11 | Arcane|Work1 | And yeah, same deal at my place mille25 |
| 14:49.19 | Arcane|Work1 | Stuff buried all over |
| 14:49.38 | Arcane|Work1 | Lots of useful stuff, but as people have learned with google, if you can't find it, it might as well not exist |
| 14:49.47 | mille25 | maintaining the wiki? use trainees! :D |
| 14:49.58 | Arcane|Work1 | loool, I AM the trainnee (intern) |
| 14:50.04 | mille25 | FUCK :D |
| 14:50.11 | Arcane|Work1 | :D |
| 14:50.30 | Arcane|Work1 | I barely have time to do shit on it, too busy doing real projects. |
| 14:50.30 | A1win | http://netrunnerdb.com/web/bundles/netrunnerdbcards/images/cards/en-large/04060.png |
| 14:50.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:50.49 | Arcane|Work1 | lmfao, not in programming |
| 14:51.08 | Arcane|Work1 | Interns are pricey (good for me :D) |
| 14:51.21 | Arcane|Work1 | And of course, Mr. Smiley has arrived |
| 14:51.25 | Arcane|Work1 | aka JademusSreg |
| 14:51.38 | JademusSreg | HAha. |
| 14:51.47 | JademusSreg | Mesk will enjoy that card. |
| 14:53.27 | JademusSreg | And a smile is a versatile expression, it's meaning entirely contextual. |
| 14:56.51 | JademusSreg | Someone has good news? Smile. Someone says something flattering about me? Smile. Someone says something funny? Smile. Someone ignorant to some knowledge I may provide? Smile. Someone said something hilariously idiotic? Smile. Someone getting aggressive and abusive and even more furious when I smile? Smile. |
| 14:58.08 | A1win | I used to have =D, =), =/, and =( bound to arrow keys when I played TFC so that I wouldn't have to stop running to type after I had killed someone oor someone had killed me |
| 14:58.46 | mille25 | same for me in quake. |
| 15:04.55 | Arcane|Work1 | How efficient of us, automating our emotional states in games :D |
| 15:05.22 | A1win | well not automating, just shortcutting :P I didn't run with the arrow keys |
| 15:05.31 | mille25 | it was very common back then to bind stuff to macros. |
| 15:05.38 | mille25 | even stuff like "hi" |
| 15:05.38 | mille25 | lol |
| 15:05.41 | Arcane|Work1 | True, you didn't write a bot to auto type out stuff on kill |
| 15:05.50 | A1win | haha |
| 15:06.00 | mille25 | a script reacting accordingly depending on how you died would have been good. |
| 15:06.51 | A1win | I did write a server addon for a HL mod that gave remarks of things that were happening, like which weapon a player was using and how much health they had left |
| 15:06.56 | A1win | it wasn't very advanced though |
| 15:07.24 | A1win | and never really used after the testing because it was incredibly annoying |
| 15:07.28 | mille25 | lol |
| 15:08.47 | Merc | I remember that too |
| 15:09.08 | Merc | occasionally people had to decorate their hotkeys |
| 15:09.16 | Merc | ^^^^^^^HI GUISE~~~~ |
| 15:09.50 | A1win | oh I still have one IRC macro left |
| 15:09.53 | A1win | \o/ *BLAM* o / _ |
| 15:09.58 | Merc | ~:o |
| 15:09.58 | purl | *GASP* :O |
| 15:11.17 | A1win | ~gasp |
| 15:11.23 | A1win | how dull |
| 15:11.42 | A1win | there should always be a chain of commands like that |
| 15:13.10 | Dustin | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 15:14.11 | Arcane|Work1 | lol Dustin, you are evil |
| 15:14.22 | JademusSreg | Wish Zolden were here; he'd want to see the kittens my cat willl soon deliver. |
| 15:14.41 | Arcane|Work1 | ~:) |
| 15:14.41 | purl | it has been said that :) is honeypea |
| 15:14.52 | Arcane|Work1 | ~:o |
| 15:14.52 | purl | *GASP* :O |
| 15:15.00 | Arcane|Work1 | ~:) |
| 15:15.00 | purl | it has been said that :) is honeypea |
| 15:15.03 | Merc | ~:O |
| 15:15.03 | purl | *GASP* :O |
| 15:15.12 | Arcane|Work1 | ~:( |
| 15:15.13 | purl | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
| 15:15.16 | Ahli | zolden is not in skype, else I would have told him to come |
| 15:15.39 | Merc | live stream it |
| 15:15.46 | Merc | he can watch the vod later |
| 15:15.50 | Arcane|Work1 | lol |
| 15:16.11 | Arcane|Work1 | That would also be known as Twitch and Youtube, respectively. |
| 15:18.11 | Arcane|Work1 | Btw, since I've rarely used it and should use it more, how effective/efficient is the data tables? |
| 15:18.43 | JademusSreg | It's great, provided you write wrappers for it. |
| 15:18.47 | Dustin | >=D |
| 15:19.10 | Arcane|Work1 | You should not be teaching kids how to lock up their computers Dustin :P |
| 15:19.30 | JademusSreg | It has the second worst performance, though, second only to catalog get/set. |
| 15:20.13 | JademusSreg | Dustin, instruct the kids to run a python script that hijacks the inputs. |
| 15:20.14 | Arcane|Work1 | JademusSreg: clarify? From my understanding, data tables are basically maps, key -> value, and skips cluttering code with variables that are just used to store constant values. |
| 15:20.58 | Arcane|Work1 | clarify the need for wrappers? |
| 15:22.49 | JademusSreg | Data tables are effectively dict/table/map, with global xor thread-local option flag, yep. And they are about 5 times slow as any other get/set, except for catalogs. |
| 15:23.18 | Arcane|Work1 | Where do user data fall in terms of speed? |
| 15:23.37 | JademusSreg | (The need for wrappers is just the inevitable application of abstraction principle.) |
| 15:24.25 | JademusSreg | User Data should be around the same speed as catalog, but I've not tested performance in quite some time. |
| 15:24.53 | JademusSreg | Suppose I could do that soon, since it's pretty easy to setup. |
| 15:26.25 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't worry about performance until your exeucting get/set ops at the scale of 10000+ per tick. |
| 15:26.32 | JademusSreg | *executing |
| 15:26.39 | JademusSreg | *you're |
| 15:26.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:28.07 | Arcane|Work1 | True, I use userdata/types purely as database at this time, as part of intialization or abstraction. |
| 15:30.07 | JademusSreg | In standard practice, the execution speed is trivial; the tactical AIs and such use it constantly. |
| 15:30.16 | JademusSreg | (catalog gets) |
| 15:30.27 | Arcane|Work1 | Yes |
| 15:31.50 | mille25 | ive benchmarked my vector implementation (based on data tables) vs native arrays, and it performed quite well even though it adds function call overhead. |
| 15:32.16 | JademusSreg | But in high workload procedures, like, well, procedural generation, execution time efficiency matters, since it determines to number of ops a thread can perform in a single tick. |
| 15:32.31 | mille25 | im at the point of no longer using native arrays unless i absolutely need the maximum performance or really have a static size. |
| 15:32.46 | mille25 | (both didnt happen since weeks. :D) |
| 15:32.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:33.37 | Arcane|Work1 | random question, is the vector data type a primative, one that isn't exposed or is vector = array in galaxy? |
| 15:34.06 | JademusSreg | It's mille's implementation, but it's not native. |
| 15:34.10 | mille25 | i also had the interresting thought of adding sets to my container library. since data tables are most likely based on sorted binary trees one may use data table KEYS as set values, because data tables should allow a quick contains check. the problem is that sets could just support values which can be quickly converted to a string since otherwise its pointless. |
| 15:34.14 | JademusSreg | Nor is it primitive. |
| 15:35.05 | mille25 | + i never really needed a set for modding in my entire life, so yeah, no idea. |
| 15:35.18 | mille25 | might be useful if it performs exceptionally well |
| 15:37.40 | mille25 | + its a huge pain in the ass to extend the library because i need 844186 wrappers for all the data types. |
| 15:38.51 | turtles1 | WOW |
| 15:40.15 | turtles1 | I thought you just did everything internal as a string. So you would only need a "to string" and "from string" for each data type |
| 15:40.59 | mille25 | no, that would perform horribly + some data types cannot be converted to strings, such as actors. |
| 15:41.25 | JademusSreg | Can't be serialized". |
| 15:41.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:41.39 | Goa_ | ehh stupid Russian terrorists.... |
| 15:42.10 | A1win | better that they are stupid than smart, I'd think |
| 15:42.58 | Goa_ | not really |
| 15:43.12 | Goa_ | if they would be smart, they wouldnt fight pointlessly... |
| 15:43.36 | A1win | then they wouldn't be terrorists anymore |
| 15:43.43 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 15:44.26 | mille25 | im disappointed JademusSreg... no smile? |
| 15:45.17 | JademusSreg | Don't fall into the trap of the politicians' abstractions. "terrorist" is such a term. |
| 15:47.59 | Goa_ | :) |
| 15:48.48 | JademusSreg | Heuristic: nouns employed by politicians, news media, and any other incestuously insular group are suspect, should be deconstructed, and their use avoided. |
| 15:50.20 | Goa_ | yeah terrorists lost its real menaning since 9/11 now its just word for armed bad guys:D |
| 15:50.54 | JademusSreg | Saying it had a real meaning still falls into the rhetorical trap. |
| 15:51.22 | Goa_ | I wonder if word's meaning change faster in this modern globalized era, than like hundred years ago? |
| 15:51.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:51.53 | turtles1 | No, and by that I mean "yes" |
| 15:52.48 | Arcane|Work1 | "The purpose of terrorism is to terroize" - Lenin |
| 15:54.04 | Goa_ | Did Lenin point out every obvious fact or was he so stupid that we dont have better quotes from him?:D |
| 15:54.11 | Arcane|Work1 | Yes, terrorism is overused, since it normally refers to the use of force by non state armed forces against a state (either its military or civilians) to incite political change. |
| 15:54.36 | Arcane|Work1 | Or was people so stupid they needed the obvious pointed out by someone? |
| 15:56.08 | Goa_ | :) |
| 15:56.14 | Arcane|Work1 | Terrorism is quite attractive, I believe, because outright armed revolution tends to fail without direct military support. |
| 15:56.42 | JademusSreg | I just categorically reject such terms; they are they licked sandwich, to employ them uncriticially is to accept the crapware connotations with which they are bundled. |
| 15:56.59 | Arcane|Work1 | In nearly all cases where the military of a country opposes a revolution, the revolt fails. |
| 15:57.32 | Arcane|Work1 | As spirited as most revolts are, they are rarely a match for discipline |
| 15:58.12 | Arcane|Work1 | So terrorism is sought as an alternative, due to the statistically low chances of prevailing in direct military conflict. |
| 15:58.53 | Arcane|Work1 | And arguably, terrorism does work, in that it, at the very minimum, forces a discussion (however minimal it may be). |
| 15:59.14 | Arcane|Work1 | Easy to ignore protestors, harder to ignore dead citizens. |
| 15:59.52 | JademusSreg | "Easy to ignore protesting citizens, harder to ignore dead citizens." |
| 16:00.29 | Arcane|Work1 | Which is unfortunate, since it appears most terrorism springs from the perception that peaceful discussion is a useless/futile option. |
| 16:01.16 | Arcane|Work1 | And since it is based on perception, it is understandable why terrorism is advocated by demagogues. |
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| 16:02.19 | ckSynergy | Sup |
| 16:02.54 | Arcane|Work1 | Not much, yourself? |
| 16:03.12 | ckSynergy | About the same lol |
| 16:03.35 | ckSynergy | Having fun trying to recreate the interact ability as a behavior lol |
| 16:04.42 | ckSynergy | What's all this talk about container table data libraries? lol |
| 16:06.52 | mille25 | released a new version of my container lib which sort of triggered that. |
| 16:07.11 | ckSynergy | Inventories? |
| 16:07.28 | mille25 | no, containers in the meaning of data containers |
| 16:09.14 | Arcane|Work1 | interact as a behavior, interesting, so a sequence of validators :D |
| 16:10.04 | ckSynergy | mille: explain? Arcane: Pretty much, but targeting units outside the neutral caster is a pain in the... lol |
| 16:10.46 | Arcane|Work1 | ckSynergy why? Enumerate area should be the solution there, have multiple ones as various cases for a switch effect. |
| 16:12.12 | ckSynergy | Yea, one would think. lol. However, the neutral unit only searches for other neutral or enemy units. |
| 16:13.04 | ckSynergy | In anycase, the issue arises from trying to determine if enemy players are in range of each other, contesting the neutral unit |
| 16:13.34 | ckSynergy | Easy to validate a single unit in range, but multiple units causes problems |
| 16:16.13 | ckSynergy | If that makes sense |
| 16:18.11 | JademusSreg | Kittens have arrived. Gestation successful. Additional felines required. We require more vespene cats. |
| 16:18.20 | Arcane|Work1 | Solution: Place a behavior on all units found. This behavior has an enumerate area behavior, launch/impact location set to caster (so it uses the interact unit as source of search), and this validator contains (in its area field) another validator comparing units found player to its own (source). validator should fail if not equal (the number of units found with different player should be 0). |
| 16:18.27 | mille25 | JademusSreg: awesome! :D |
| 16:18.42 | mille25 | congratz i guess :P |
| 16:19.58 | Arcane|Work1 | Original interact unit has validator in its enumerate area validator (area field again), checking for this behavior. If none are found, we can assume the area is contested. If more then 1 found, area is uncontested. |
| 16:20.39 | mille25 | ckSynergy: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/64793-generic-container-library-with-gui-support/ |
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| 16:20.50 | Arcane|Work1 | Ahoy matey |
| 16:21.16 | pirate | good morning gentlemen |
| 16:22.11 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 16:22.23 | pirate | so many new faces these days |
| 16:22.42 | pirate | and many going head first into scripting! |
| 16:22.47 | ckSynergy | morning pirate |
| 16:23.31 | ckSynergy | let me write that out and see how it looks |
| 16:24.41 | pirate | I wonder if the blues will come back too |
| 16:25.05 | Arcane|Work1 | To further enhance my approach, you may wish to examine the CachedSearch field. |
| 16:26.03 | ckSynergy | I dont think the validator will fail with the player search. itll just exclude enemies from the enum |
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| 16:26.56 | Arcane|Work1 | Correct and incorrect. Correct that it will exclude them from the enum. Incorrect in that you can set the area itself to check, by using its Compares, and equals fields. |
| 16:27.48 | Arcane|Work1 | So you will want to set the area to use equals, and count to 0. If any units are found, and are not excluded, the area will find more then 0 units and fail. |
| 16:28.21 | Arcane|Work1 | For reference, see how Blizzard does Enemies near and enemies not near. |
| 16:28.26 | ckSynergy | so youre finding enemy units. |
| 16:28.50 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 16:28.56 | Arcane|Work1 | Yes, that would almost be simpler then checking players. |
| 16:29.23 | Arcane|Work1 | Instead of asking the base interact unit to see if enemies are around, ask the untis around the interact if they have enemies. |
| 16:29.35 | Arcane|Work1 | If so, contested, if not, uncontested. |
| 16:30.15 | ckSynergy | one sec let me test something |
| 16:35.16 | ckSynergy | hmmm, possibly.... lets try it out |
| 16:49.59 | ckSynergy | nope. enum validator on unit behavior (to test for enemies) keeps failing. |
| 16:55.16 | Bounty | http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/official-malaysian-plane-shot-ukraine-24599942 |
| 16:55.20 | Bounty | interesting |
| 16:56.25 | Arcane|Work1 | More like, oh shit. |
| 16:56.45 | Bounty | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/malaysian-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-russian-border-article-1.1870413 |
| 16:56.47 | Bounty | better |
| 16:56.52 | Bounty | and yeah Arcane lol |
| 16:59.32 | Arcane|Work1 | I'm surprised this hasn't all devolved into WW3, with the sheer number of regional wars going. |
| 16:59.57 | Bounty | It will, takes time. |
| 17:00.17 | Bounty | Someone has to snap first. |
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| 17:12.52 | turtles1 | It's not like you can confuse a passenger plane with a military jet |
| 17:13.45 | Arcane|Work1 | True, but you could confuse a military transport with a passenger jet. |
| 17:14.18 | Arcane|Work1 | In any case, this is going south, fast. |
| 17:15.13 | Arcane|Work1 | From all I've read, due to the elevation of the jet, it would require military hardware to shoot it down, arm launched stuff could never reach it. |
| 17:15.34 | turtles1 | I thought that when Russian troops swarmed in and surrounded the barracks of another country |
| 17:15.57 | turtles1 | was kind of surprised that it just fizzled (still an international issue though) |
| 17:26.20 | Arcane|Work1 | mille25: I'm curious, how much time did you spend drawing up those design docs? |
| 17:26.59 | mille25 | i didnt draw them up, i only need to implement them. |
| 17:27.08 | Goa_ | turtles1 the Russian rebels thought they shot down an An-26 first, there are many media post by them claiming they shot down an An-26 today which turned out to be this airliner.... |
| 17:27.18 | Arcane|Work1 | ... idoits... |
| 17:27.26 | Goa_ | this is why you dont arm bunch of idiots with advanced weapons |
| 17:27.30 | mille25 | and this whole shot down plane thing is fucking disgusting... |
| 17:27.55 | Arcane|Work1 | No kidding, at this point those fools are playing with WW3 fire. |
| 17:28.24 | Arcane|Work1 | And Russia will be blamed because the rebels could not have gotten those weapons anywhere else? |
| 17:28.31 | Arcane|Work1 | Sooooo dumb. |
| 17:28.45 | Goa_ | ? |
| 17:29.05 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, where else would those rebels acquire SAMs? |
| 17:29.37 | Goa_ | Its from Russia its obvious... |
| 17:29.46 | Arcane|Work1 | Sorry, just ranting/reiterating your point about giving idoits advanced weapons. |
| 17:30.53 | Arcane|Work1 | Explains a lot though, an An-26 would look similar to a boeing 777 on radar. |
| 17:31.26 | Goa_ | yeah and they already shot down one An-26 few days ago |
| 17:40.05 | Bounty | Time to start saving up and head to Canada |
| 17:40.07 | Bounty | >.< |
| 17:41.11 | mille25 | how is your unity adventure going, Bounty ? |
| 17:41.15 | Goa_ | just dont go over Ukraine or Russia.D |
| 17:41.50 | Bounty | Going well so far mille25, still gathering tutorials. Dustin gave me an awesome site though. |
| 17:42.04 | mille25 | cool. |
| 17:42.08 | Bounty | been busy with a few other things though but that should be done today. |
| 17:42.31 | Goa_ | Bounty you should first check some simple example games |
| 17:43.01 | Bounty | http://www.raywenderlich.com/61532/unity-2d-tutorial-getting-started |
| 17:43.28 | Bounty | that and there is a youtube channel that shows you how to make a game from various genres. |
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| 18:44.06 | Bounty | If you have any resources you think would help, feel free to share Goa_ |
| 18:46.39 | Goa_ | this was great help to me: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/5-unity-game-examples-c-scripting-tutorial-for-beginners.51017/ |
| 18:47.30 | Bounty | Sweet, scripting for beginners :) |
| 18:47.44 | Bounty | I think that is probably something I need |
| 18:47.57 | Bounty | thanks! |
| 19:09.35 | Goa_ | welcome:D |
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| 19:22.21 | LuciusSir | hey i keep looking for a way to grab wow units and all the methods point to nonexistent programs |
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| 19:37.52 | Bounty | Download wowmodelviewer LuciusSir |
| 19:37.56 | Bounty | specifically, this version 0.7.0.5-mingw2 32 bit |
| 19:38.14 | LuciusSir | are you sure 0.7.0.5 woks ? |
| 19:38.16 | LuciusSir | I have it on windows |
| 19:38.26 | Bounty | Thats what I was told |
| 19:38.34 | Bounty | All the others crash on m3 export |
| 19:39.37 | LuciusSir | so of course |
| 19:39.38 | LuciusSir | its the one |
| 19:39.46 | LuciusSir | which is crossed out like you shouldn't use it lol |
| 19:39.53 | Bounty | :) |
| 19:40.27 | Bounty | The developer has been aware of the issue for about 5-6 months and has not uploaded a new version for the fix so... |
| 19:40.32 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 19:41.01 | LuciusSir | yeah iyeah read the date on the bug log |
| 19:41.07 | LuciusSir | its been a little longer than that |
| 19:41.11 | LuciusSir | it was 11/2013 |
| 19:41.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:41.24 | Bounty | damn |
| 19:41.51 | LuciusSir | fuck |
| 19:41.55 | LuciusSir | it crashed anyway |
| 19:42.09 | Triceron | it's better to export m2 |
| 19:42.16 | Triceron | and use 3ds max tools to convert |
| 19:42.18 | Triceron | much more stable. |
| 19:42.24 | LuciusSir | ... sigh yes |
| 19:42.30 | LuciusSir | thats apparently next |
| 19:42.36 | Triceron | Taylormouse has a tutorial on it |
| 19:44.06 | LuciusSir | damn what a slow app 3ds max is |
| 19:44.55 | LuciusSir | on my machine i mean |
| 19:50.00 | LuciusSir | will the 3ds method also export animations ? |
| 19:50.14 | LuciusSir | don't i have to edit the name of them to something in wowmodel viewer ? |
| 19:51.27 | Bounty | Does it give you the option to do that under export options? |
| 19:51.33 | Bounty | for .m2 |
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| 19:53.51 | chtuard | wassup duders and dudetters |
| 19:54.18 | LuciusSir | damn it the script doesn't run |
| 19:57.47 | chtuard | what script |
| 19:58.43 | LuciusSir | the m3/m2 import/export scripts |
| 19:58.49 | LuciusSir | they run without error but no dialog shows |
| 20:00.33 | Bounty | Isn't that script like 3 years old? |
| 20:00.47 | LuciusSir | 2 |
| 20:00.48 | LuciusSir | but yeah |
| 20:00.52 | Bounty | the import/export wow models script cthuard |
| 20:00.56 | LuciusSir | in the forum some guy is talking about it |
| 20:00.59 | LuciusSir | cthuard ? |
| 20:01.13 | Bounty | 15:57] <chtuard> what script |
| 20:01.13 | LuciusSir | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ |
| 20:01.22 | Bounty | was responding to him :) |
| 20:01.40 | LuciusSir | for gods sake |
| 20:01.47 | LuciusSir | how the hell am i supposed to do this ! lol |
| 20:01.59 | LuciusSir | why is it when i get to the point where i wanna play wit h this nothing works lol |
| 20:02.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:02.12 | LuciusSir | its almost like i have to write my own and so like 4 weeks later i might have a working script lol |
| 20:02.23 | Bounty | welcome to the editor =P |
| 20:02.38 | Bounty | Best I could say is |
| 20:02.50 | Bounty | Try contacting the author(s) of Impossible Bosses? |
| 20:02.56 | Bounty | Or WAH |
| 20:03.02 | Bounty | they both use wow models |
| 20:03.19 | LuciusSir | ... "m2import.ini not found!" |
| 20:03.20 | LuciusSir | ........ |
| 20:03.20 | Bounty | and are recent I believe. |
| 20:03.31 | chtuard | you can publish maps with WoW models? |
| 20:03.46 | Bounty | of course, what is Blizzard going to do? Sue itself? |
| 20:03.49 | Bounty | ..< |
| 20:03.57 | Bounty | >.<* |
| 20:04.21 | chtuard | dam i was always under the impression that you can't use models from other blizzard games |
| 20:04.35 | LuciusSir | apparently you can, i've seen them in map sbefore |
| 20:04.36 | LuciusSir | like arthas |
| 20:04.38 | LuciusSir | however |
| 20:04.43 | LuciusSir | all the tools are fucked up |
| 20:05.00 | chtuard | what about a map with only the WoL dependency that uses the hots models? |
| 20:05.25 | Bounty | Nothing to do with that cthuard, you import the wow models one by one. |
| 20:05.59 | chtuard | but is it allowed? |
| 20:06.20 | chtuard | you use a WoL dependency but import hots models so players with only WoL can play it |
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| 20:06.50 | chtuard | wassup Charys how ya doin |
| 20:07.24 | Charys | hi |
| 20:09.05 | LuciusSir | did i mention how much i hate uac ? |
| 20:09.23 | chtuard | why not just turn it off? |
| 20:10.08 | LuciusSir | it makes an already vulnerable os even more vulnerable |
| 20:11.26 | LuciusSir | oh you are kidding me... |
| 20:11.30 | LuciusSir | it was there the whole time |
| 20:11.31 | LuciusSir | hidden |
| 20:11.32 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 20:11.34 | Bounty | also |
| 20:11.39 | Bounty | LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUfAYFWhiiw |
| 20:11.55 | Bounty | Worst response/speech ever |
| 20:12.11 | chtuard | when i tried using UAC for a couple months, I've gotten to the point where I press yes to everything without thinking, rendering UAC useless |
| 20:13.18 | chtuard | unless a UAC popup comes out of nowhere, I just ignore it |
| 20:13.25 | pirate | to be fair, the president was probably briefed on the incident 2 seconds before the speech |
| 20:14.45 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.49 | Goa_ | still, he is reading it from the telepromoter:D |
| 20:14.54 | Bounty | "We're working to determine if there were American citizens on board and that is our first priority." Yeah, that makes sense as first priority. |
| 20:15.09 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 20:15.30 | pirate | meanwhile he's probably thinking , "goddamnit I have so much shit to deal with today and now I have to make some stupid speech about a plane crash..." |
| 20:15.50 | pirate | (this is why pirate is not president) |
| 20:15.50 | Bounty | Probably accurate considering the quotes I just commented on pirate lol |
| 20:16.24 | Bounty | CNN is probably pissed because we already know exactly where this one is. |
| 20:16.49 | Bounty | Doubt it will get much coverage. |
| 20:17.10 | pirate | unless it was actually shot down my missiles supplied by russians |
| 20:17.15 | Goa_ | I wonder if Israel really planned the ground offensive for today or this so good for cover:D |
| 20:17.32 | pirate | in which case it's going to cause a political shitstorm |
| 20:17.41 | Bounty | It was shot down by Russia.... |
| 20:17.54 | Goa_ | pirate it was shot down by missile supplied by Russia that's pretty obvious. |
| 20:17.57 | Bounty | They already said it was them, was confused for some sort of rebel fighter jet. |
| 20:18.10 | Bounty | somehow? |
| 20:19.02 | Goa_ | it was confused for An-26 which is surveillance plane, which looks like a private jet. |
| 20:20.09 | Bounty | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Lithuanian_Air_Force_Antonov_AN-26_(04).jpg |
| 20:20.30 | Bounty | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Boeing_777_above_clouds,_crop.jpg |
| 20:20.32 | Bounty | *shrug* |
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| 20:21.10 | mille25 | honestly: they look pretty different. :D |
| 20:21.15 | Bounty | I'm sure it was a mistake but I think it was because someone is a retard lol |
| 20:21.46 | chtuard_ | purl, what is Bounty |
| 20:21.46 | purl | bounty is, like, extremely absorbent, great for cleaning up spills, blood, and other bodily fluids. |
| 20:22.16 | Bounty | that was... interesting |
| 20:22.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:22.52 | Goa_ | Bounty its not a big difference in scale, and thats only what matters on radar |
| 20:23.05 | chtuard_ | purl, who is mille25 |
| 20:23.05 | purl | chtuard_: what are you talking about? |
| 20:23.12 | Goa_ | though they should have thought its an airliner from the altitude. |
| 20:23.21 | Bounty | I thought every plane has a radar signatures? |
| 20:24.07 | Goa_ | Bounty I dont anti air systems check for that, specially if it used by rouge elements.D |
| 20:24.20 | Bounty | just talking about radar |
| 20:24.43 | chtuard_ | what's the command to check how long someone's been in the irc? |
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| 20:24.55 | Bounty | ~seen |
| 20:25.02 | chtuard_ | ~seen Bounty |
| 20:25.08 | purl | bounty is currently on #sc2mapster (3h 59m). Has said a total of 64 messages. Is idling for 13s, last said: '~seen'. |
| 20:25.29 | chtuard_ | dam what was that dude's name |
| 20:25.34 | Bounty | What the hell are you up to chtuard? lol |
| 20:25.40 | chtuard_ | or dudette |
| 20:26.01 | chtuard_ | ~where are the reinforcements |
| 20:26.02 | purl | chtuard_: what are you talking about? |
| 20:26.10 | mille25 | chtuard_ = NSA |
| 20:26.19 | chtuard_ | he's onto me! |
| 20:27.14 | chtuard_ | when was the last time blizz was here? |
| 20:27.23 | mille25 | long time. |
| 20:27.33 | chtuard_ | what was their last message? |
| 20:28.07 | Bounty | ~seen Blizz-Deletarius |
| 20:28.08 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 269d 3h 3m 52s ago, saying: 'afk myself'. |
| 20:28.21 | Bounty | hes afk |
| 20:28.22 | mille25 | lol |
| 20:28.22 | LuciusSir | my desktoop overfloweth |
| 20:28.23 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 20:28.31 | mille25 | 269 days |
| 20:28.32 | chtuard_ | dam afk for 269 days |
| 20:28.35 | mille25 | holy shit |
| 20:28.39 | chtuard_ | someone needs to wake him up |
| 20:29.38 | chtuard_ | so ever since blizz stopped coming, has the map making scene been static? |
| 20:29.55 | chtuard_ | stagnant |
| 20:30.30 | chtuard_ | i like to come back from time to time to see how y'all doin |
| 20:33.08 | chtuard_ | according to the blue tracker website, deletarius hasnt posted in almost a year |
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| 20:35.38 | chtuard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.39 | Bounty | You know this is the first time I've ever heard the use of the word "separatist" outside of Star Wars. |
| 20:38.59 | JademusSreg | 5 kittens. |
| 20:41.56 | Ahli | I would argue that Dele isn't at Blizz anymore... I think I found a website some time ago that reminded me of him as he created sc2's interface files delivered in some patch. |
| 20:42.18 | Bounty | lol http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/White-House-on-Lockdown-Due-to-Unattended-Package--267551731.html |
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| 20:42.26 | Bounty | Going to be an interesting day it seems |
| 20:43.06 | Bounty | Next thing you know this shit will be popping up on TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZIynuYDRVA |
| 20:43.08 | Bounty | >.< |
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| 20:59.00 | Goa_ | btw http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/10559483/Video.Games.The.Movie.2014.HDRip.XViD-juggs |
| 20:59.49 | Bounty | How was it Goa_ ? |
| 21:00.11 | Goa_ | boring with some nice interviews (if you ask about the film) |
| 21:00.15 | pirate | aka "Phil FIsh is a dick" |
| 21:00.49 | Bounty | Yeah thats pretty much exactly what I heard Goa_ |
| 21:01.57 | JademusSreg | Everyone is a dick, not everyone shows it; Phil Fish has lots of feels, so he shows it. =D |
| 21:02.27 | Bounty | Thats the Fez bro, yes? |
| 21:02.32 | Bounty | Many feels >.< |
| 21:02.33 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 21:02.47 | Bounty | Reminds me of myself, only with a successful game. |
| 21:02.58 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:02.59 | Bounty | and technical capabilities |
| 21:03.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:03.17 | JademusSreg | "Fuck you guys, Doodad Hunt 2 is cancelled." |
| 21:03.50 | Bounty | To be fair, I told them I would make 3 games (DH2 being one) if I got at least third place to fund it. |
| 21:04.06 | JademusSreg | Far as I am aware, Mister Fish isn't the programming type, not altogether familiar with his technical background, so I may be mistaken. |
| 21:04.07 | Bounty | Surprisingly, all the PM's i've been getting people are very understanding |
| 21:04.20 | Bounty | and also support the Unity thing |
| 21:04.25 | Bounty | Doodad Hunt Mobile! |
| 21:04.34 | Bounty | TM |
| 21:04.41 | mille25 | ;) |
| 21:05.03 | Bounty | only problem is... net code / servers ? lol |
| 21:05.08 | Bounty | worry about that later though |
| 21:05.55 | JademusSreg | I rather categorize him as "auteur designer", like yourself. |
| 21:06.13 | mille25 | not sure how much programming unity requires, but i guess once the game gets a little more complex you will definately have to get into more advanced scripting. |
| 21:06.42 | mille25 | c# isnt the hardest language in the world, but might still need some time to get into, especially with no other programming background knowledge. |
| 21:07.04 | mille25 | that reminds me... i wanted to use my holidays to get into c# :D |
| 21:08.17 | JademusSreg | Programming is easy; software engineering, system design, development methodology, learning innumerable APIs, best practices, that's non-trivial. |
| 21:08.25 | Bounty | Yeah I have no plans of starting with a game like "Photon Touch" |
| 21:08.35 | mille25 | JademusSreg: yeah. |
| 21:08.48 | Bounty | Flappy Photons |
| 21:08.54 | Bounty | Might be the first. |
| 21:08.56 | mille25 | also not just learning those best practices, but also understand them and why they make sense. |
| 21:09.02 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 21:09.50 | Bounty | I think the programming will be easier to learn than the engine |
| 21:10.01 | Bounty | for me at least, probably wrong though. |
| 21:10.12 | JademusSreg | Short answer: don't worry about shit, you'll get the hang of it. |
| 21:10.36 | Bounty | Goa sent me this http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/5-unity-game-examples-c-scripting-tutorial-for-beginners.51017/ |
| 21:10.48 | Bounty | looks better to start with than the one I was pestering Dustin for lol |
| 21:12.39 | Bounty | You should make Photon Cycles for mobile with gyroscope controls JademusSreg lol |
| 21:12.39 | JademusSreg | If anyone can stumble their way through complexity with crude hacky solutions, it's Bounty. |
| 21:12.45 | Bounty | haha |
| 21:13.14 | Bounty | I expect the first game to run at about 6 fps |
| 21:13.15 | Tomura | Dunno about Unity. But Unreal offers a lot of macros that handle the worst part of networking. So you only have to specify which varibales need to be replicated or which functions are client/server/owner-side |
| 21:13.15 | JademusSreg | I've considered it, except games of that type are well covered within mobile ecosystems. |
| 21:13.23 | Tomura | so I think Unity will be similar |
| 21:13.45 | Deaod | think about it, you could drive a virtual motorcycle while driving a real one |
| 21:13.48 | pirate | https://pastee.org/x96x4 |
| 21:13.53 | Bounty | What about the version of Photon Cycles you had planned for the contest? |
| 21:13.56 | pirate | why is this not destroying the actor |
| 21:13.58 | JademusSreg | Haha, hilarious way to die. |
| 21:14.05 | Deaod | just hold the phone up straight |
| 21:14.17 | Deaod | and lean into the curves |
| 21:14.29 | JademusSreg | Just hold the phone straight and drive in an identical deterministic environment. |
| 21:14.38 | Deaod | preferably |
| 21:14.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:15.10 | Deaod | btw, im currently reworking TextSplat for WC3 |
| 21:15.14 | Bounty | Why have controls at all? Just have the game play itself. |
| 21:15.19 | Deaod | the shit i did back then ... |
| 21:15.28 | Bounty | The ultimate game of luck. |
| 21:15.38 | pirate | Isn't that the correct use of ActorLastCreatedSend() |
| 21:15.45 | JademusSreg | Deaod, I am both impressed and appalled. |
| 21:15.46 | Deaod | i basically had to throw everything out |
| 21:16.21 | Bounty | Appalled that hes still working on WC3? |
| 21:16.26 | JademusSreg | Yes, |
| 21:16.30 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:16.31 | Deaod | awww |
| 21:16.35 | Deaod | i had a bug report |
| 21:16.39 | JademusSreg | But also impressed. |
| 21:16.50 | Deaod | from a guy that wanted to use it |
| 21:16.51 | Bounty | For what hes doing. |
| 21:17.31 | Bounty | Only thing I made in WC3 was a crappy "dodgeball" map with peasants that threw boulders. |
| 21:17.50 | Bounty | Give Peasants throw boulder ability |
| 21:17.53 | Bounty | publish |
| 21:17.56 | Bounty | profit |
| 21:18.04 | Deaod | except you didnt profit |
| 21:18.21 | Deaod | not in a monetary sense |
| 21:18.24 | Bounty | Self pat on back profit |
| 21:18.30 | Deaod | and if you did, you were violating the EULA |
| 21:18.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:18.51 | Deaod | no, im serious |
| 21:19.05 | Bounty | so was I when I said lol |
| 21:19.23 | Bounty | if you thought I would profit off such a crappy map that nobody played |
| 21:19.26 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:19.32 | Deaod | :D |
| 21:22.11 | Bounty | http://store.steampowered.com/app/246620/ |
| 21:22.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:23.04 | JademusSreg | Oi, for those with the programmer's inclination, check out the starbow source for the eros client+server. Delightful stuff. |
| 21:23.25 | Deaod | someone swearing? |
| 21:31.04 | Arcane|Work1 | sup Deaod |
| 21:31.18 | Arcane|Work1 | And JademusSreg, what do you mean by eros client/server? |
| 21:35.04 | JademusSreg | Starbow's service tech, source code is up on github. |
| 21:38.31 | Arcane|Work1 | Ahh |
| 21:40.17 | JademusSreg | Source code worth reading, especially if one isn't familiar with (or needs working examples of) rather recent server task languages, like Go and such. |
| 21:41.06 | mille25 | Go? Bah. :D |
| 21:46.03 | Arcane|Work1 | Maybe when I have free time :D |
| 21:46.13 | Arcane|Work1 | (Wait, what is that again?) |
| 21:46.58 | JademusSreg | Looked through it the other day when decem was here, discussion about Starbow. |
| 21:52.44 | Arcane|Work1 | Yes, certainly some interesting things came about from starbow. Most interesting thing that I read was how difficult lurker was, since people discovered lurker effectively worked only because of A) Terrible pathing and B) Limit on the number of units that one could micro at once. |
| 21:53.27 | Arcane|Work1 | So it was a great unit in SC1, but totally ineffective in sc2 due to easy concave and unlimited unit select (so units like marauders would level them faster then roaches). |
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| 21:54.18 | Arcane|Work1 | I would argue that regardless of race design, the changes to pathing alone fundamentally made SC2 a different game then Sc1. |
| 21:55.05 | Arcane|Work1 | And that not much of SC1 could be applied to SC2, due to the effectiveness of many many things were dependent on the failures of pathing. |
| 21:55.42 | JademusSreg | I've not yet looked the the mod. =D |
| 21:56.15 | JademusSreg | Knowing I can whensoever I choose, and lack of urgency. |
| 21:56.17 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:21.26 | LuciusSir | hrmmm textures arent importing into 3ds... |
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| 22:28.51 | Deaod | okay, so TextSplat has been rewritten. Turns out you just need the right mental model for a well designed library. Changing just the patch level seems like the understatement of the year for me |
| 22:36.26 | IskatuMesk | my mental model is best described as a gordian knot of writhing penises |
| 22:41.50 | Deaod | errrr |
| 22:41.54 | Deaod | okay ... |
| 22:42.01 | Deaod | backs away slowly. |
| 22:42.07 | IskatuMesk | you can't escape it. |
| 22:42.23 | IskatuMesk | The gravity is much too intense. Best just to consign to your fate and have a spot of tea. |
| 22:42.29 | Deaod | what, the knot? |
| 22:42.33 | IskatuMesk | Yes. |
| 22:42.43 | Deaod | okay, let me get my sword. |
| 22:42.51 | IskatuMesk | It's like a quantum rift. |
| 22:42.56 | Bounty | human penises IskatuMesk? |
| 22:43.00 | IskatuMesk | It sucks everything into it and twists it beyond recognition. |
| 22:43.15 | IskatuMesk | I like to leave it up to the imagination. I'm all about empowering the mind. |
| 22:43.37 | Bounty | Red rocket brain |
| 22:43.48 | IskatuMesk | The most distinct feature is that you can hear the gnashing of teeth through the ceiling. |
| 22:46.28 | IskatuMesk | Hmm. I wonder how to make ribbon hair. Specifically, to make it look any good. |
| 22:50.53 | ckSynergy | is there a way to examine the editor code? Like how ability chain effects work and such? |
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| 22:51.24 | IskatuMesk | lol |
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| 23:01.44 | LuciusSir | i just get a damn wire mesh :( |
| 23:01.45 | LuciusSir | No textures |
| 23:01.45 | LuciusSir | :( |
| 23:03.23 | LuciusSir | IskatuMesk: can i touch the writhing knot of penises ? |
| 23:03.59 | LuciusSir | IskatuMesk: I would enjoy unwinding it :P given it represents your mind and that mind came up with a very serpentine image of sex organs in knot representing itself :P |
| 23:04.00 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 23:04.11 | IskatuMesk | by all means |
| 23:04.27 | IskatuMesk | beware the teeth |
| 23:04.27 | LuciusSir | touches the writhing knot, ever so gingerly |
| 23:04.58 | LuciusSir | did you ever use the m2 importer for 3ds max ? |
| 23:05.39 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 23:05.55 | Ahli | does my internet still work? |
| 23:06.23 | IskatuMesk | no |
| 23:06.27 | Ahli | k, thanks |
| 23:06.31 | IskatuMesk | <3 |
| 23:06.59 | Ahli | skype is offline, teamspeak is offline |
| 23:07.00 | LuciusSir | so anyway |
| 23:07.06 | LuciusSir | i use 3ds and m2 importer |
| 23:07.08 | Ahli | a few sites are offline |
| 23:07.13 | LuciusSir | i follow alllll the instructions |
| 23:07.20 | LuciusSir | in 3ds max no textures show up |
| 23:07.23 | LuciusSir | when i export to m3 |
| 23:07.26 | LuciusSir | no textures show up |
| 23:07.29 | LuciusSir | in sc2 editor |
| 23:07.32 | LuciusSir | wtf ? |
| 23:07.34 | LuciusSir | :) |
| 23:07.36 | LuciusSir | ty :P |
| 23:07.39 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/OqXGH5y.png |
| 23:07.58 | IskatuMesk | you exported the textures, right? |
| 23:08.06 | IskatuMesk | and set them to the sc2 material |
| 23:08.08 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/Ahli%27s%203dsmax%20knowledge.txt |
| 23:08.36 | IskatuMesk | ahli maybe your dns died |
| 23:08.45 | IskatuMesk | that is a very common thing in canada,. I switched to google dns because of it |
| 23:09.03 | Ahli | let me switch to my other internet |
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| 23:09.51 | LuciusSir | yes |
| 23:09.58 | LuciusSir | ugh so i have to tinker with sc2 ? |
| 23:09.59 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 23:10.02 | IskatuMesk | did you assign the textures to the mesh |
| 23:10.05 | LuciusSir | i mean with 3ds |
| 23:10.16 | LuciusSir | yes issue is there are tons of fing meshes |
| 23:10.17 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 23:10.23 | IskatuMesk | character model? |
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| 23:11.26 | IskatuMesk | can you give a quick step by step rundown of what you did start to finish |
| 23:11.43 | LuciusSir | yes |
| 23:11.53 | LuciusSir | i went into wowmodelviewer |
| 23:12.05 | LuciusSir | selected export textures (which actually does more than that) |
| 23:12.15 | LuciusSir | exported all then exproted to tga |
| 23:12.23 | LuciusSir | copied files including m2 to sep directory |
| 23:12.39 | LuciusSir | opened the m2 import tool (v 2.2) in 3ds max |
| 23:12.51 | LuciusSir | selected the skin and m2 file |
| 23:12.56 | LuciusSir | the model imports |
| 23:13.15 | LuciusSir | but no textures show and even though i selected animations i can't see how to use those |
| 23:13.23 | IskatuMesk | you have to set up the materials |
| 23:13.25 | IskatuMesk | it won' |
| 23:13.29 | IskatuMesk | it won't do it automatically |
| 23:13.38 | LuciusSir | ... supposedly it did grrr |
| 23:13.49 | IskatuMesk | the sc2 material for NiNtoxicated's exporter are entirely different than the art tools |
| 23:13.53 | Dustin_Hendricks | Hola |
| 23:14.11 | IskatuMesk | hola |
| 23:14.31 | IskatuMesk | sounds like you are following some outdated tutorial |
| 23:14.45 | LuciusSir | yeah well its written by the guy who wrote the tool |
| 23:14.49 | LuciusSir | do you have a more up to date one ? |
| 23:14.51 | IskatuMesk | yeah, ancient |
| 23:15.18 | IskatuMesk | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/59399-tutorials-getting-a-regular-model-ready-for-sc2/#posts |
| 23:15.19 | IskatuMesk | that guy does |
| 23:15.34 | IskatuMesk | err |
| 23:15.35 | IskatuMesk | sec |
| 23:15.41 | IskatuMesk | that one can be useful but he has one specifically for WoW |
| 23:16.00 | IskatuMesk | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/68337-tutorials-from-world-of-warcraft-to-starcraft-2/#p17 |
| 23:16.22 | IskatuMesk | I recommend watching them both, he uses a different tool than I do for normal maps but yeah |
| 23:28.59 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:30.38 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 23:33.12 | JademusSreg | Larva, AI, kittens. |
| 23:34.25 | IskatuMesk | ic |
| 23:39.09 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg house is an incubator for everything. |
| 23:40.01 | IskatuMesk | quickly knocked another base mesh off my list. |
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| 23:45.17 | ArcanePariah | Carrier has arrived. |
| 23:48.52 | phil___ | arcane, getting a little greedy with two accounts are'ya |
| 23:50.11 | ArcanePariah | any crazy questions today? |
| 23:50.21 | phil___ | haha |
| 23:50.23 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, should do a tutorial again. |
| 23:50.44 | phil___ | well I made good progress last night fixing some previously badly made effects |
| 23:50.52 | ArcanePariah | Maybe state monitors this time. |
| 23:51.36 | phil___ | So the problem I tackled last night was related to the jump impact I've spent so long on with that ultralisk |
| 23:52.06 | phil___ | I wanted units that were closest to the ultralisk to be shot higher up in the air than those units farther away |
| 23:53.42 | phil___ | for sake of brevity, assume 1 second periods and three periods of a lift->push->drop behavior |
| 23:54.15 | phil___ | with an expanding range of 2, then 3, then 4 |
| 23:55.02 | phil___ | so I search range 2, then lift them up, wait 5 seconds, then drop |
| 23:55.10 | phil___ | at range three, I lift them up, wait 3 seconds, then drop |
| 23:55.20 | phil___ | at range four, I lift them up, wait 1 second, then drop |
| 23:55.28 | phil___ | each search also includes a push (force effect) |
| 23:55.38 | phil___ | and so I needed a search for each, and a behavior for each |
| 23:55.55 | phil___ | ended up being a little complex, but I think that's the only way to accomplish that task |
| 23:56.34 | phil___ | and reading that over it makes almost no sense in the form of text |
| 23:56.42 | phil___ | ohs wells |
| 23:56.46 | phil___ | I'm proud of the end result haha |
| 23:57.17 | ArcanePariah | no it does, and there is a simpler way =) |
| 23:57.22 | phil___ | how |
| 23:57.29 | phil___ | because I say there's not! |
| 23:57.29 | phil___ | haha |
| 23:59.29 | ArcanePariah | first, in the search area effect, there is a field called radius bonus. when the search effect is run as a periodic effect from a persistent or behavior, the search is expanded by that value for each search repeated. |
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