| 00:00.01 | ArcanePariah | Then you should be able to understand this and why it applies here, and will help you understand actors in general. |
| 00:00.01 | ArcanePariah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor_model#Fundamental_concepts |
| 00:00.08 | ArcanePariah | They are not called actors for kicks :D |
| 00:00.09 | phil___ | maybe that would help your AI being incredibly strong |
| 00:00.14 | phil___ | oo |
| 00:00.17 | IskatuMesk | yeah the apm is unlocked for this |
| 00:00.20 | phil___ | that would help greatly actually |
| 00:00.27 | IskatuMesk | just so it can move its units around properly |
| 00:00.37 | IskatuMesk | (properly within the limits of the slow attack wave logic, anyways) |
| 00:00.43 | phil___ | because I'm still not grasping the general scope of behaviors mostly, but actors as well |
| 00:00.55 | phil___ | effects/units/models are easier to understand |
| 00:01.05 | phil___ | movers/abilities/etc. |
| 00:01.40 | phil___ | IskatuMesk - yeah, I trust your experience knows much better than my inexperience haha |
| 00:01.55 | IskatuMesk | I trust that Jade can fix the various shortcomings :3:3 |
| 00:01.59 | phil___ | haha |
| 00:02.03 | ArcanePariah | Looking at the fundamental concepts, there are directly implemented in the editor. The events of an actor are point #3, The messages under the events are point #1, and point #2 is reflected in the Create Messaage |
| 00:02.04 | phil___ | a good bet usually |
| 00:02.32 | phil___ | ArcanePariah - Thanks much |
| 00:02.43 | IskatuMesk | actors are basically the sc2 equivalent of iscript without having the frame control of iscript |
| 00:02.55 | phil___ | iscript? |
| 00:03.04 | IskatuMesk | brood war's units are all controlled through iscript |
| 00:03.06 | IskatuMesk | frame by frame |
| 00:03.06 | ArcanePariah | Nah, no equivalent, actors are a direct implementation of the above linked thing |
| 00:03.27 | IskatuMesk | when a unit attacks, what frames it plays in what animation, what animations it actually has |
| 00:03.34 | IskatuMesk | what graphics are attached to those animations, etc |
| 00:03.53 | IskatuMesk | iscript is where all the magic happened in that game as a modder |
| 00:03.55 | ArcanePariah | Uggh... yes, the reason they went away from that to actors is what you are describing sounds synchronous... uggh |
| 00:04.03 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 00:04.07 | IskatuMesk | synchronous was such a huge advantage |
| 00:04.14 | ArcanePariah | It kills performance |
| 00:04.25 | IskatuMesk | I find sc2's asynchronous design undesirable in basically everything |
| 00:04.38 | IskatuMesk | can't pinpoint when x and y happens |
| 00:04.41 | IskatuMesk | they just sort of happen in relativity |
| 00:04.45 | IskatuMesk | makes art... painful :3 |
| 00:04.48 | ArcanePariah | Other then the performance of having 1000's of actors happening all the time with no impact? |
| 00:04.56 | ArcanePariah | You know you can debug actors? |
| 00:05.13 | IskatuMesk | I mean, because the fps changes in sc2, it's impossible to sync things exactly |
| 00:05.26 | ArcanePariah | They got cheat codes for singleplayer testing for both game stuff and for actor stuff |
| 00:05.26 | IskatuMesk | I loved being able to say, this happen at frame y, and knowing it would always happen at frame y |
| 00:05.45 | ArcanePariah | Well, that was a product of SC1 being a non 3d game and having a locked framerate |
| 00:05.48 | ArcanePariah | same deal with D2 |
| 00:05.51 | IskatuMesk | indeed |
| 00:05.55 | IskatuMesk | I prefer sprites :3 |
| 00:06.11 | ArcanePariah | Yes, they permit what you describe and yes, it makes for certain gameplay that is compelling |
| 00:06.12 | IskatuMesk | d2... now that was an interesting game to mod |
| 00:06.58 | phil___ | ha |
| 00:07.09 | phil___ | how did you get into modding IskatuMesk |
| 00:07.21 | IskatuMesk | I loved mapping for d2, although the insane hardcoded nature of the map and tileset system was very prohibitive |
| 00:07.31 | IskatuMesk | age of empires 1 campaigns and starcraft total conversions |
| 00:07.42 | IskatuMesk | I started mostly with AI though |
| 00:07.50 | ArcanePariah | phil___, in case you have not seen yes, EVERY actor message can be sent anywhere. You can send them directly to any actor in the scope by id, by alias, by system reference. Or you can even set refences if you need too. |
| 00:08.32 | IskatuMesk | AI is something I am somewhat obsessed with |
| 00:10.14 | phil___ | ArcanePariah - I'm not a huge fan of the messaging architecture, if that's a term I didn't just make up. And although my only experience in it was adding a feature to an NP++ plugin via c++, it was just strange to wrap my head around. Definitely a c/c++ way to handle a problem anyway, it didn't seem object-oriented friendly |
| 00:10.15 | Bounty | A Skeleton walks into a bar and orders a beer and a mop. |
| 00:11.15 | phil___ | Bounty - how many tickles does it take to make an octopus laugh |
| 00:11.40 | Bounty | ten tickles |
| 00:11.47 | phil___ | haha - most say 8 |
| 00:12.10 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:12.12 | ArcanePariah | phil___, agreed, it is something definitely different. IF you have ever taken a class on parallel programming, you probably understand why they do it, but yeah, its hard. |
| 00:12.30 | Bounty | I see your empty space is growing phil |
| 00:12.35 | Bounty | was only _ before |
| 00:12.47 | phil___ | Bounty - yeah I don't understand why that happens |
| 00:12.59 | phil___ | I just type in phil every time, and the universe appends more _ after |
| 00:12.59 | phil___ | haha |
| 00:13.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:13.50 | phil___ | ArcanePariah - I will have to read on how messaging enables better performance via parallel programming, then I wouldn't have hated working with it so much |
| 00:14.00 | phil___ | understanding its utility anyway |
| 00:14.04 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 00:21.30 | phil___ | ArcanePariah - is there a reason events can't trigger multiple actions? I see in existing code the same "Actor Creation" event used multiple times to activate several actions. Is that just a lazy UI directly representing the concurrent nature of actors? |
| 00:25.30 | ArcanePariah | See Point 3 of the fundamental concepts |
| 00:26.08 | ArcanePariah | Each actor creation event then sends a message to either another actor, or to the actor itself, thereby modifying itself based on receiving that message. |
| 00:26.23 | ArcanePariah | Actor Creation event is sent by the system. |
| 00:26.27 | ArcanePariah | Or by another actor |
| 00:27.15 | ArcanePariah | And really, its more about point 1. That the number of messages an actor can send is finite |
| 00:27.40 | IskatuMesk | actor events are pretty confusing, yup |
| 00:27.45 | ArcanePariah | Therefore, all messages sent by a single actor must be enumerated, not "Do these set of things" |
| 00:27.47 | phil___ | okay |
| 00:29.01 | ArcanePariah | To illustrate point 3, you can send a Set Scale message to a unit actor, and the actor WILL scale. But in that same unit actor, you can have as an event: Set Scale, and then send a set Tint color, pink. This means, the actor, if receiving a set scale message, will then send a set tint color message to itself. |
| 00:29.40 | ArcanePariah | The messages will do what they say they do, but you can then configure stuff to do things based on receiving messages, hence the common analogy to trigger events |
| 00:30.11 | phil___ | yeah, their fundamental difference (actors/triggers) makes much more sense now |
| 00:30.20 | phil___ | I mean, literally just that triggers are sequential |
| 00:30.54 | ArcanePariah | Now, they ARE certain actors designed to handle more dynamic situations. There is a List actor, which you can use a message to add actors to that list actor, and then there is a predefined reference so you can send messages to all actors within that list actor. |
| 00:31.21 | phil___ | interesting |
| 00:31.27 | ArcanePariah | Also, if you wish an actor to receive a message from an actor from anywhere, even out of scope, you can use signals |
| 00:31.43 | phil___ | shit, I dont' remember seeing 'signal' anywhere in the editor |
| 00:32.00 | phil___ | and there she be |
| 00:32.08 | phil___ | msg type signal is what you're referencing I assume? |
| 00:32.11 | ArcanePariah | Signal should be used rarely, for obvious reasons. |
| 00:32.13 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 00:32.20 | ArcanePariah | Signal can use an arbitrary string |
| 00:32.50 | ArcanePariah | I believe the bearing in it signifies where the signal should originate from, for purposes of determine bearing for those who decide to act on it. |
| 00:33.21 | phil___ | okay |
| 00:33.41 | ArcanePariah | Since many many things take bearing into account, like sounds, which can be configured to be 3d positional aware, and have their volume be modulated based on the distance from the source of the sound and the current camera focus for a player. |
| 00:34.04 | ArcanePariah | By default, you usually don't hear many sounds clear on the other side of the map :D |
| 00:34.34 | phil___ | haha luckily |
| 00:34.46 | phil___ | except for that nuke warning. Her voice is clearly heard |
| 00:34.55 | ArcanePariah | There are many other actors to handle dynamic scenarios. For example, there is a specific actor that makes it possible to automaticall add adn remove the burning effect on terran building,s WITHOUT putting all those events in each and every building. |
| 00:35.04 | ArcanePariah | That is because that is not an actor sound :D |
| 00:35.09 | ArcanePariah | That is an alert :D |
| 00:35.11 | phil___ | haha |
| 00:35.12 | phil___ | yeah |
| 00:35.19 | ArcanePariah | Which are their own data type |
| 00:35.34 | ArcanePariah | Can be added to pretty much any effect or unit or ability |
| 00:35.58 | phil___ | yeah whoever put together the editor did a good job with separation of concerns mostly. There are a couple of ambiguities but after working with it for a while they're not too bad |
| 00:36.12 | ArcanePariah | Speaking of nuke, there is a series of actors that lead to the nuke burning the trees |
| 00:36.22 | ArcanePariah | Which I did write a tutorial on, it is quite powerful |
| 00:36.38 | phil___ | ha |
| 00:36.45 | IskatuMesk | I wanted to make tanks able to do that |
| 00:36.50 | IskatuMesk | but it seemed complicated |
| 00:36.58 | IskatuMesk | as opposed to just making damage able to hit doodads |
| 00:37.31 | ArcanePariah | It is somewhat. You have to create region actors, then have those region actors run a query response actor (which takes the actors found in the region and sends messages to them, based on filters) |
| 00:37.33 | phil___ | hmm - yeah one idea for our map is to allow trees to be garrisoned by a particular unit |
| 00:37.50 | phil___ | not sure if that will pan out - but not worrying about it atm |
| 00:38.13 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... suggests that trees will be units with invisible transport ablities that filter/validate out one unit type :D |
| 00:38.32 | phil___ | I'm saving that text haha |
| 00:39.15 | phil___ | alright |
| 00:39.23 | phil___ | well thanks for everything again ArcanePariah |
| 00:39.31 | phil___ | gonna focus on the mapping once again |
| 00:40.11 | ArcanePariah | Ok, here is my tutorial on the region actor stuff, whenever you have a chance, feel free to peruse it and learn :D |
| 00:40.16 | ArcanePariah | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/60079-actors-actor-regions-queries-and-query-response-actors/#p2 |
| 00:42.39 | philaway | got it |
| 00:43.47 | ArcanePariah | I should do a map where there are tons of statue doodads, and using regions/queries, have them turn and look at the player unit if they come near :D |
| 00:43.55 | ArcanePariah | Mind games :D |
| 00:44.00 | philaway | haha |
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| 00:45.50 | paynis | hey guys |
| 00:45.54 | paynis | when is the Top 5 revealed? |
| 00:47.04 | paynis | no one alive? |
| 00:47.09 | paynis | has the apocalypse started?! |
| 00:50.21 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:51.17 | paynis | so? :o |
| 00:51.37 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:53.05 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, thoughts on making a game use mostly actors to achieve many visual effects to do mental manipulation of player, with actual game units coming in sporadically? |
| 00:53.33 | ArcanePariah | IE, my idea above of statues all turning to face the player, with the occasional one being real and attacking? |
| 00:55.20 | JademusSreg | Sounds neato. |
| 00:55.57 | Bounty | You should use GAx3 ArcanePariah, has phasing built into it. |
| 00:56.16 | ArcanePariah | What exactly is phasing? |
| 00:56.22 | JademusSreg | But to be more than luck or whatever, would need subtle indications which are fake/real. |
| 00:56.35 | Bounty | The ability to control what each individual player sees |
| 00:56.42 | ArcanePariah | I've heard it thrown around a bunch, but couldn't ever translate what it really did. |
| 00:56.50 | Bounty | Could make for some interesting mental manipulation :) |
| 00:57.16 | ArcanePariah | Ermm.. maybe because Blizzard patched so much stuff, but isn't that already now present in all actors by default? |
| 00:57.21 | JademusSreg | In MtG, it removed and returned permanents from/to play every other turn. |
| 00:57.28 | Bounty | per player? no |
| 00:57.40 | JademusSreg | So that's what I assume it means, however erroneously. |
| 00:57.52 | Bounty | You can also use it to send actor messages per player |
| 00:58.04 | JademusSreg | That's Async/ |
| 00:58.24 | ArcanePariah | Ermm... I see Fliter and Filter players which lets me filter an actor on a per player basis. |
| 00:58.33 | Bounty | It is referred to as phasing tech in the mod. *shrug* ask Renee |
| 00:58.41 | Bounty | Just saying what it does. |
| 00:58.53 | JademusSreg | The functions and data were identified as Async in Renee's mod. |
| 00:58.55 | JademusSreg | Sooooo |
| 00:59.12 | Bounty | sigh, really going to make me open the editor? |
| 00:59.23 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if s/he had to create that before filter players was added? |
| 00:59.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:59.35 | ArcanePariah | I know filter players was not added until 1.5 or later |
| 00:59.46 | JademusSreg | Yes++ |
| 00:59.49 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:00.47 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/946r1fvkamwe348/stalemate.png |
| 01:01.38 | ArcanePariah | Yep, Looks like s/he was able to devise a workaround for it in trigger until Blizzard added it in nativel |
| 01:01.41 | ArcanePariah | Very nice |
| 01:01.41 | Bounty | The folder is called Actor Async (Phasing Tech) and all of the fuctions are called Phasing Tech |
| 01:02.12 | ArcanePariah | Wonder if it leverage actor queries to set things visible or not to different players |
| 01:02.29 | Bounty | Last I recall he used Flyer Helpers |
| 01:02.43 | ArcanePariah | Interesting |
| 01:02.46 | Bounty | Or something along those lines. |
| 01:03.30 | Ahli | yes. as flyerhelpers are something that is validated that is not refering to the unit owner, just the player executing the message |
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| 02:14.52 | pirate | yarr |
| 02:16.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:23.40 | grim001 | jade, I've implemented a rendering pipeline that will work with older cards such as yours |
| 02:26.22 | grim001 | it seems that asynchronous memory handling is the key to making OpenGL run fast |
| 02:34.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:39.42 | pirate | where the hell did ultimate boss battles get the infested bunker model |
| 02:40.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:41.55 | pirate | actually though |
| 02:41.59 | pirate | donde |
| 02:42.43 | pirate | I cannot come up with a plausible explanation |
| 02:42.55 | pirate | and coming up with plausible explanations for things, is like, my thing |
| 02:43.10 | Bounty | donde? |
| 02:43.18 | pirate | lrn2spanish fool |
| 02:43.31 | Bounty | Murica |
| 02:43.37 | pirate | ~seen charys |
| 02:43.40 | purl | charys <43b5dd75@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.181.221.117> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 22h 4m 6s ago, saying: 'so i wonder which of the top 10 will get the most votes'. |
| 02:43.53 | pirate | yeah, I bet you wonder.... |
| 02:44.15 | Bounty | Why do you want to know so bad? |
| 02:44.41 | Bounty | Just ask Blizzard and I'm sure they will send it to you or tell you where to get it. |
| 02:45.22 | pirate | because it was shown at a blizzcon |
| 02:45.24 | JademusSreg | Swarm Campaign |
| 02:45.27 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 02:45.35 | pirate | it's included, relaly |
| 02:45.46 | pirate | **how could I miss that |
| 02:47.10 | pirate | know the name? |
| 02:51.02 | pirate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5SKD9Es74 |
| 02:51.03 | pirate | that guy |
| 02:53.37 | JademusSreg | You haven't browsed the m3s so many times you memorized the content? =D |
| 02:53.42 | Bounty | You can tell they knew it was not going to be in the game just from the way he talks lol |
| 02:54.28 | pirate | I have, and I've never seen it |
| 02:54.53 | JademusSreg | Are you looking currently? |
| 02:54.58 | pirate | yup |
| 02:55.11 | pirate | browsed through all zerg models, no names jumped out that made sense |
| 02:55.18 | pirate | searched all infested && bunker |
| 02:55.51 | pirate | assuming it's a unit, not a building |
| 02:56.01 | pirate | (looking at buildings too) |
| 02:56.42 | JademusSreg | Console, browse, Search .m3, sort by File Path with click optionally. |
| 02:59.24 | pirate | but I can see them in the cumbersome cutcene editor |
| 02:59.37 | pirate | and I've never used the console before o.O |
| 03:00.53 | pirate | oh. i see. the console is better at this |
| 03:01.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:02.33 | pirate | what's an .m3h o.O |
| 03:02.53 | pirate | looks like explicit site offsets |
| 03:03.52 | JademusSreg | Bank xml that provides attach points to modesl which lack them. =D |
| 03:03.58 | JademusSreg | *models |
| 03:04.39 | pirate | so many minor queries to learn |
| 03:04.56 | pirate | *curios |
| 03:04.58 | pirate | not queries |
| 03:07.15 | pirate | ah, cliffs, I meant to get compiled cliff models made! |
| 03:14.06 | pirate | ;lsad;lkadjsfhs; |
| 03:14.11 | pirate | infestedbunker.m3 |
| 03:15.45 | pirate | not in the cutscene editor |
| 03:15.54 | pirate | what other half crafted models have I missed out on? |
| 03:20.29 | JademusSreg | Cutscene editor has multiple tabs, model data is default, haha. |
| 04:38.34 | philaway | damn it, I can't figure out where placement is calculated. I would have assumed in actors, but I'm not finding the term placement anywhere |
| 04:38.37 | philaway | any hints? |
| 04:39.00 | philaway | context is my jumping ultralisk. |
| 04:39.59 | philaway | if I select the 'placement' flag, then he will jump as close to the destination point as possible |
| 04:40.09 | JademusSreg | Wat about placement? |
| 04:40.21 | philaway | but I would like him to be able to jump into units - excluding buildings |
| 04:40.52 | philaway | If I deselect the placement flag, then he can jump into units as I desire, but that includes buildings |
| 04:42.38 | JademusSreg | Apologies, I've been awake for 3 days, so I'm in a somewhat less than helpful state. I would suggest seeing Dehaka Leap and Yeti leap abilities. |
| 04:43.05 | philaway | haha |
| 04:43.09 | JademusSreg | Standard data often makes for a good reference. =D |
| 04:43.17 | philaway | okay much appreciated |
| 04:43.23 | philaway | and that's insane you've been up for so long |
| 04:43.58 | philaway | At some point it may benefit me to actually play the campaign so I know what standard data exists |
| 04:44.04 | JademusSreg | When I said I have a free-time weekend, I meant that as literally as could possibly be intended, haha. |
| 04:44.15 | philaway | haha |
| 04:44.30 | Bounty | I sincerely doubt you have been awake for 72 hours JademusSreg |
| 04:45.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:45.14 | JademusSreg | Today is monday morning; in 9 hours, it will be 72. |
| 04:45.20 | Bounty | and if you have, enjoy the hallucinations |
| 04:45.40 | Bounty | I suspect many stimulants were used >.< |
| 04:45.50 | JademusSreg | =D brb |
| 04:46.07 | Bounty | brb need to take stimulants |
| 04:46.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:09.35 | pirate | The longest I've spent waked is some near 60 while traveling |
| 05:09.44 | pirate | on a few occasions |
| 05:09.53 | pirate | never while at home |
| 05:10.15 | pirate | possibilities of jade being bipolar? |
| 05:10.21 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
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| 05:10.44 | pirate | psychologies behind why people do the things they do is one of my favorite games :/ |
| 05:10.55 | JademusSreg | I'll be sleeping soon, since I've exhausted all tasks to which I may effectively apply myself. |
| 05:11.01 | pirate | small children will mess up my equations |
| 05:11.19 | pirate | I have data on that |
| 05:11.26 | pirate | **no data |
| 05:12.27 | JademusSreg | Also, you're doing it wrong; a -psychiatric- diagnosis of a disorder doesn't reveal much about the subject's psychological characteristics. |
| 05:16.07 | pirate | eh, a lazy stab in the dark |
| 05:16.20 | pirate | it all influences behavior |
| 05:16.28 | pirate | which is the part I find interesting |
| 05:17.17 | JademusSreg | Understanding what influences under what circumstances produce which results, that's interesting, yep. |
| 05:21.15 | JademusSreg | But psychiatry != psychology, psychiatry lacks a theoretical foundation, and psychiatry is all about that lucrative application of disorders, a field which has its entire conceptual framework in deviation from some undefined, unintelligible baseline state of a supposedly healthy mind. |
| 05:22.40 | pirate | well, they've tried to define it in a series of volumes |
| 05:23.04 | pirate | also, medical research :/ |
| 05:23.24 | pirate | I've been awake less than 16 hours and am too lazy to argue the point |
| 05:24.46 | A1win | I've been awake for less than an hour and what is this I don't even |
| 05:29.55 | JademusSreg | Again, psychiatry's approach at its very roots is, well, bullshit. =D |
| 05:42.50 | philaway | haha I'd have to start from the very beginning "wikipedia" to remember what psychiatry even is |
| 05:43.04 | Bounty | We all know jade is either a psychopath or a sociopath, or both lol |
| 05:43.22 | Bounty | nothing wrong with that though |
| 05:43.38 | philaway | but JademusSreg - it seems the easier approach for me will be to validate the location of the persistent, as opposed to figuring out how the hell sc2 calculates pathing |
| 05:43.39 | Bounty | unless he hides the bodies of devoured burritos in his basement |
| 05:43.48 | philaway | which at my previous glance seems to be done internally |
| 05:44.01 | Bounty | also |
| 05:44.03 | Bounty | philaway |
| 05:44.09 | Bounty | ready for an experiment? |
| 05:44.18 | Bounty | lets test the curse of the _ |
| 05:44.19 | philaway | but validating the persistent isn't a hack, and it seems will work just fine |
| 05:44.22 | philaway | haha |
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| 05:44.55 | phil__ | damn |
| 05:44.57 | philaway | so what does that prove? |
| 05:44.58 | philaway | haha |
| 05:45.00 | phil__ | now that is interesting |
| 05:45.01 | phil__ | rofl |
| 05:45.05 | philaway | loll |
| 05:45.16 | philaway | we need the source! |
| 05:45.19 | phil__ | I had to see it for myself, ok brb |
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| 05:45.44 | philaway | I bet Wes has the curse too |
| 05:45.51 | Bounty | Phil confirmed as one of many clones. |
| 05:45.59 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:46.08 | Bounty | or however IRC adds those _'s |
| 05:46.13 | JademusSreg | is probably asleep. And maybe even assleep. |
| 05:46.14 | Bounty | quite odd |
| 05:46.24 | philaway | hurray for jade |
| 05:46.38 | philaway | finally found his way toward that sometimes annoyingly hard state to reach |
| 05:46.57 | philaway | I don't know what I would do if I weren't a programmer |
| 05:46.59 | Bounty | I sincerely doubt he has been up for 72 hours. |
| 05:47.03 | philaway | hard schedules aren't my thing |
| 05:47.06 | philaway | haha |
| 05:47.24 | philaway | could be - but I doubt he has a reason to lie too |
| 05:47.32 | philaway | one of those things that I learned back in my reddit days |
| 05:47.37 | JademusSreg | (64) |
| 05:47.48 | JademusSreg | (Which is a nice power of 2.) |
| 05:48.17 | Bounty | When looking for a lie the last thing you should look for is reason. |
| 05:48.18 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:48.26 | JademusSreg | (sleep++) |
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| 05:49.49 | philaway_ | ooo |
| 05:49.51 | philaway_ | _ |
| 05:51.49 | Bounty | The _ is strong with this one. |
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| 06:18.11 | Bounty | imposter Zolden is Z0lden? |
| 06:26.21 | Z0lden | No, it's zOlden, a fake Zolden |
| 06:26.37 | Bounty | *gasp* |
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| 07:24.15 | Bounty | Random thought. I wonder how the term reality became part of an "ism" which supposes supreme knowledge >.< |
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| 07:33.04 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qig68IuPrbk |
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| 08:36.04 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:43.26 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jARp24AJWLk |
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| 10:48.42 | Swordman | i guess duckies is duckytheduck? |
| 10:48.56 | duckies | yup |
| 10:48.59 | duckies | ah I dropped |
| 10:49.03 | Swordman | exactly |
| 10:57.30 | turtles1 | later dudes/dudettes |
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| 11:08.36 | zo1den | Penis |
| 11:12.19 | Zolden | wtf u imposter |
| 11:13.13 | Zolden | hits the imposter with a fat dirty nigger penis |
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| 11:39.16 | Swordman | so duckies, what do you think? |
| 11:39.41 | duckies | mixed feelings, feels like there should be more stuff |
| 11:39.53 | duckies | like randomly placed things to discover |
| 11:40.09 | duckies | activateable events instead of pure random |
| 11:40.19 | duckies | stronger element of discovery |
| 11:40.54 | duckies | maybe find a merchant which can sell you a reapers jetpack for cliffjumping |
| 11:41.06 | duckies | also, it sucks, but you can totally cheat the map |
| 11:41.14 | duckies | and there is no way to prevent it =/ |
| 11:44.08 | Swordman | what do you mean with "cheat the map" ? |
| 11:44.28 | duckies | setting graphics to low will disable lighting, enabling to see you everything like in normal sc |
| 11:44.54 | Swordman | yeah i know |
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| 13:49.03 | Ashamed | ahhhhh |
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| 14:32.49 | TheSkunk_ | Psyris doesn't happen to be here, does he? ._. |
| 14:41.49 | pirate | nope |
| 14:43.42 | pirate | might be able to catch him on battlenet |
| 14:43.48 | pirate | he seems to be on daily |
| 14:44.51 | Arcane|Work1 | Yarr |
| 14:45.17 | pirate | indeed |
| 14:46.00 | TheSkunk_ | Not too important |
| 14:48.25 | TheSkunk_ | Daleman is on but he's afk |
| 15:03.56 | TheSkunk_ | well, posted it without them: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2ao6ac/rotc_arcade_contest_top_10_impossible_bosses/ |
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| 15:23.02 | Arcane|Work1 | Sup Dustin |
| 15:24.45 | Dustin | Hola |
| 15:25.03 | Dustin | So I just noticed that Hover somehow beat ZH into the top 10 |
| 15:25.04 | Dustin | Wtf |
| 15:25.31 | Dustin | 1. Copy another map and change shit to a ball. 2. ??? 3. PROFIT |
| 15:26.16 | TheSkunk_ | All I can think is Zealot Hockey must not have followed the rules in some way? Maybe wasn't considered a new enough map? |
| 15:26.34 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 15:26.47 | Ashamed | Zealots must not be good at hockey |
| 15:27.13 | TheSkunk_ | Well, you play as Zealots in Hover too.. :P |
| 15:27.57 | Dustin | For real it's way to similiar |
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| 15:28.09 | Dustin | And less cool than ZH too |
| 15:28.21 | Dustin | Just blows my mind |
| 15:28.30 | zolden | dustin u in top 10? |
| 15:29.02 | zolden | whos from mapster on top10 |
| 15:29.27 | zolden | and who i must vote for? |
| 15:29.28 | TheSkunk_ | pirate here got in with Rogue Star |
| 15:29.55 | zolden | is it that turn based thing? |
| 15:30.00 | TheSkunk_ | Yeah |
| 15:30.14 | zolden | nice |
| 15:30.15 | TheSkunk_ | I haven't played Templar TV and Unreal Arena yet, but so far my favorite is Iron Fire |
| 15:30.24 | zolden | who else |
| 15:30.36 | pirate | dustin, ZH didnt enter |
| 15:30.49 | TheSkunk_ | Oh thats right |
| 15:30.52 | TheSkunk_ | the submission thread for it |
| 15:30.58 | TheSkunk_ | wasn't made by the actual map author |
| 15:31.01 | TheSkunk_ | was it? |
| 15:31.04 | pirate | something like that |
| 15:31.10 | TheSkunk_ | I remember that now |
| 15:31.14 | pirate | (also I think it was too old) |
| 15:31.30 | pirate | all of the top 10 were released in april or may |
| 15:31.41 | zolden | merc those sounds worked nice, only story and cutscenes left so far tp finish my shmup |
| 15:31.46 | pirate | except for the inexplicable unreal arena |
| 15:32.11 | zolden | inexplicable? too good? |
| 15:32.17 | Dustin | Ahh |
| 15:32.31 | Dustin | I wasn't a fan of Iron Fire |
| 15:32.36 | Dustin | To clucnky and boring |
| 15:32.39 | pirate | it's the least popular by a large margin |
| 15:32.43 | pirate | I think blizzard just really likes fulla |
| 15:32.51 | zolden | goa how are u doing? |
| 15:32.54 | pirate | (to his credit he does seem like a likable dude) |
| 15:33.53 | zolden | i played the remake of xcom - unbelievable shit |
| 15:34.07 | TheSkunk_ | Oh, Unreal isn't good? That's disappointing, I was looking forward too it, I thought it would be like a similar map I liked in WC3 |
| 15:34.17 | Arcane|Work1 | Grr... I know I forgot to do something this weekend... |
| 15:34.49 | pirate | eh, I havent played unreal- it's just not that popular by the numbers |
| 15:35.16 | Ashamed | or is it |
| 15:35.25 | zolden | arcane u forgot to destroy your modeller for not using arttools? |
| 15:35.34 | TheSkunk_ | Yeah, I was hoping it was like Elimination Tournament by GaDDeN, if anyone from Wc3 remembers that.. |
| 15:35.46 | zolden | ashamed u still ashamed? |
| 15:36.15 | TheSkunk_ | "01i played the remake of xcom - unbelievable shit01" talking about a SC2 map or something else? |
| 15:36.41 | zolden | duckies i scared two ducks today, wasnt u one of them or both? |
| 15:37.04 | zolden | skunk something else |
| 15:37.22 | TheSkunk_ | Xenonuats or whatever? |
| 15:37.56 | TheSkunk_ | Some people I know have been playing the orginal xcom lately |
| 15:38.02 | TheSkunk_ | because someone recoded it from the ground up |
| 15:38.05 | TheSkunk_ | to be EXACTLY the same |
| 15:38.10 | TheSkunk_ | but work on newer computers with no bugs |
| 15:38.15 | TheSkunk_ | and some other minor improvements |
| 15:38.24 | zolden | wow |
| 15:38.32 | zolden | gimme link |
| 15:38.55 | zolden | after that socalled aaa shit i need to play original xcom |
| 15:39.05 | TheSkunk_ | http://openxcom.org/about/ |
| 15:39.31 | Ashamed | Ashamed am i still ashamed? |
| 15:39.35 | Ashamed | I suppose |
| 15:39.51 | zolden | that company remade civilization, homm, xcom, all on same laggy engine |
| 15:39.59 | zolden | gay jews |
| 15:40.01 | Ashamed | are you asking if I am the same ashamed from all the years of starcraft modding... then yes that is me -.- |
| 15:41.34 | zolden | skunk wheres download link |
| 15:41.52 | zolden | cant find it with mobile small screen |
| 15:42.20 | TheSkunk_ | well why do you want to download it on your phone, not like you'll be playing it on that |
| 15:42.22 | TheSkunk_ | http://openxcom.org/downloads-milestones/ |
| 15:42.31 | zolden | ashamed i only meant your nickname, its born to be made fun of |
| 15:42.52 | TheSkunk_ | You have to have the original x-com installed because it uses all the art assets |
| 15:43.07 | zolden | ill get |
| 15:43.08 | Ashamed | -.- It was a name created years ago durring the rain of starcraft |
| 15:43.13 | zolden | thanks |
| 15:43.47 | zolden | reign, u must be ashamef for misspelling |
| 15:44.49 | zolden | found a free wifi at deep countryside, nice to livr in a future |
| 15:45.34 | zolden | ok, time to kill some aliens |
| 15:45.35 | Ashamed | i really am not ashamef of mis-spelling anything online ;) |
| 15:46.04 | zolden | u r ashamed, you nick dont lie! |
| 15:47.00 | zolden | laser shoots ashamed like if he was alien, but misses and hits pirate |
| 15:47.19 | pirate | takes 3 points of damage |
| 15:47.23 | Arcane|Work1 | takes off a nukes everything from orbit |
| 15:47.28 | Arcane|Work1 | and* |
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| 15:53.15 | Merc | ah shit, just missed zolden |
| 15:53.37 | Merc | Anyone know what's up with my shadows? They're so goddamn sharp. Using default light: http://i.imgur.com/ezkVoqm.png |
| 15:55.03 | Merc | guess the normals are fucky |
| 15:55.05 | Merc | bbl |
| 15:57.20 | Arcane|Work1 | hey mille25, any other weird and bizarre questions for us to explore today? |
| 15:57.34 | mille25 | nope nothing so far |
| 15:57.55 | mille25 | i found out that my conditional damage response always worked the way i had it setup and it was another thing causing the damage. :D |
| 15:58.15 | mille25 | couldnt believe my mind when i exactly copy pasted the XML from a working test map and it still didnt work. |
| 15:58.56 | pirate | well, at least you were able to deduce the problem |
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| 16:02.17 | Arcane|Work1 | That's goot. |
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| 16:07.57 | Ashamed | fvricken goots |
| 16:17.24 | Goa__ | duckies Platform escape?:D |
| 16:19.16 | Goa__ | PTR heart of the swarm |
| 16:19.18 | Goa__ | wtf |
| 16:19.28 | Goa__ | I got beta key and they didnt notice me? |
| 16:19.45 | Goa__ | or by the weekend everyone got access? |
| 16:20.06 | Dustin | ? |
| 16:20.51 | TheSkunk_ | I thought PTR was just leftover from a different time they used it, it shows on mine BDA too |
| 16:20.53 | Dustin | Ive got PTR and Beta listed for my HOTS |
| 16:22.16 | Dustin | http://puu.sh/ab35k/24702f5db2.png |
| 16:22.34 | mille25 | just got ptr |
| 16:22.40 | mille25 | not sure if it was always there |
| 16:22.42 | pirate | that is odd |
| 16:22.50 | mille25 | im wondering what happens when hitting install. :D |
| 16:23.35 | pirate | surprise, new LotV units! |
| 16:23.42 | Dustin | Oh Beta just has , Uninstall |
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| 16:26.59 | Dustin | I have PTR for Reaper of Souls, which I dont own |
| 16:27.02 | Dustin | That's weird |
| 16:41.41 | duckies | sry goa_ feeling halfassed now |
| 16:44.59 | mille25 | im pretty sure PTR wasnt there for me before though |
| 16:45.14 | mille25 | maybe sc2 2.2 CASC =D |
| 16:46.06 | TheSkunk_ | Don't get your hopes up ._. |
| 16:46.21 | mille25 | i learned not to do that a long time ago. :D |
| 16:51.04 | pirate | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2aogy2/top_ten_free_starcraft_2_mods/ |
| 16:51.23 | pirate | oh look, theyre letting me post now |
| 16:58.30 | pirate | thought of a better title, resubmitted |
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| 17:14.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 17:21.18 | JademusSreg | had a nice 10 hour nap after a 64-hour free-time marathon. |
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| 17:30.41 | Ashamed | ahh? |
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| 17:33.57 | Merc | 64 hours eh |
| 17:34.05 | Merc | sounds exhausting |
| 17:37.10 | JademusSreg | Sure, thus the 10 nap afterward. |
| 17:37.17 | JademusSreg | *10 hour |
| 17:45.09 | mille25 | 10? real men sleep 12 hours+ |
| 17:50.01 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't want to be one of those; sleep is an awful (though necessary) waste of otherwise productive time. |
| 17:51.39 | Merc | I'd probably be more effective with some sleep inbetween |
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| 18:47.29 | pirate | I should get back to work on resistor |
| 18:48.07 | TheSkunk_ | Anyone want to help me play Unreal Arena on NA for my next arcade image? |
| 18:49.27 | pirate | I will |
| 18:49.57 | TheSkunk_ | sweet |
| 18:50.53 | TheSkunk_ | TheSkunk#386 or just join unreal arena off of the open games list on NA |
| 18:52.27 | pirate | yeah was trying to look up my # |
| 18:58.26 | TheSkunk_ | still looking for more if anyone's up for it |
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| 19:06.18 | TheSkunk_ | pirate stop lagging |
| 19:06.18 | TheSkunk_ | pls |
| 19:06.24 | pirate | Ill get right n that |
| 19:08.00 | Ahli | upvoted pirate |
| 19:08.18 | pirate | where o.O |
| 19:09.18 | Merc | the thread you deleted |
| 19:09.30 | Merc | not the one you said you resubmitted that noone can find |
| 19:09.45 | pirate | yeah cuz it also got deleted |
| 19:09.55 | Ahli | your post about stitches and regen master |
| 19:10.43 | pirate | <productive and contributory member of reddit society |
| 19:10.58 | Ahli | also, I think improved healing is absolutely pointless on warriors |
| 19:11.08 | Ahli | because you shouldn't be focussed at all and if, good |
| 19:12.59 | pirate | yeah.. |
| 19:13.10 | pirate | I love it as arthas when they all focus me |
| 19:13.14 | pirate | when I have ghouls up |
| 19:14.21 | Ahli | unless the team has so much burst to just kill you within a second :D |
| 19:14.57 | Ahli | I had a game where I kept dieing before I could even consume the first ghoul |
| 19:15.16 | pirate | chain stuns are not fun :( |
| 19:15.44 | pirate | still learning which heroes can sun |
| 19:15.49 | pirate | *stun |
| 19:19.59 | Ahli | stunning? etc's QR, tyrande, uther ER, tyrael R, tychus W is like a stun+displacement, Diablo Q and E are like stuns, muradin basically everything, stitches Q is kind of like a stun, W can be made stun, one ulti aka heroic can stun (gorge), brightwing's hex is as horrible as a stun, demonhunter's short ranged R is like a stun (but unreliable as dodgeable,especially 2nd and further waves), malfurion can root and silence... |
| 19:20.23 | Ahli | raynor can make is Q stun |
| 19:21.12 | Ahli | gazlow's E, gazlow's ulti is kind of a stun |
| 19:21.57 | Ahli | kerrigan has aoe grab and stun |
| 19:23.16 | Ahli | oh, diablo's ulti can stun |
| 19:23.33 | Ahli | zagara's drop pod maybe, too, dunno... but her ulti is like a stun, too |
| 19:23.45 | Ahli | also heroes take damage within zagara's ulti -> bugged |
| 19:23.49 | pirate | mo stasis than stun |
| 19:23.51 | pirate | oh |
| 19:23.54 | pirate | didnt know |
| 19:24.10 | Ahli | well, zagara + tassadar psi storm = mass damage |
| 19:24.29 | pirate | terrible terrible damage? |
| 19:24.33 | Ahli | and then you can time other stuns on that like diablo's ulti |
| 19:25.06 | Ahli | zeratul ulti might disable stuff, too... but everyone is frozen within it |
| 19:27.02 | Ahli | sargent hammer's pushing away thing can stops tuff |
| 19:27.19 | Ahli | sonya's Q |
| 19:27.46 | Ahli | so, pretty much every hero has some kind of disable... |
| 19:27.59 | TheSkunk_ | ty for helping get a full party pirate |
| 19:28.11 | pirate | well :/ |
| 19:28.23 | pirate | canadian internet can be finicky |
| 19:28.52 | TheSkunk_ | Its ok, I can get the screenshots I need from thatr |
| 19:28.58 | TheSkunk_ | got more players then I expected |
| 19:51.52 | Arcane|Work1 | Yoink Boink |
| 19:51.54 | Arcane|Work1 | Back |
| 19:52.08 | Ahli | I forgot sonya's leap |
| 19:52.37 | Arcane|Work1 | And yes, currently healing from hero abilities is overpowered, so everyone today does burst or nothing. |
| 19:52.51 | Arcane|Work1 | Facing multihealer teams is... painful |
| 20:09.21 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 20:09.25 | IskatuMesk | your butter is boiling |
| 20:10.08 | IskatuMesk | butt-er, butt-her, but, ther, butts, there, butts over there |
| 20:17.27 | mille25 | im on a terrible losing streak in heroes |
| 20:17.33 | mille25 | first i won like 7 games in a row |
| 20:17.40 | mille25 | and now its 7 losses.. :D |
| 20:17.51 | IskatuMesk | sounds like my experience with league ranked teams |
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| 20:28.26 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:28.55 | JademusSreg | returns to slaughtering grass which dares rise from the lawn. |
| 20:30.01 | IskatuMesk | grimdark |
| 20:32.11 | TheSkunk_ | oh boy, have a fun time grinding in the grass dungeon |
| 20:32.17 | TheSkunk_ | my least favorite level of the summer campaign |
| 20:33.51 | Arcane|Work1 | mille25, its alright, limited player base + people trying to play it like DOTA/LOL leads to some pretty weird play. |
| 20:34.59 | Ahli | play with 4 + 1 new player... get matched vs best team in alpha + another strong player >_> |
| 20:35.03 | Arcane|Work1 | Add me on B.net, can play games later if you want |
| 20:35.11 | Arcane|Work1 | lol |
| 20:36.37 | Arcane|Work1 | Still to optimize my gaz play, I can do him fine on cursed and mines, but not so well on dkshrine and blackheary bay. |
| 20:37.18 | Arcane|Work1 | Probably need to do a lazor build for shrine, since no Golem on that map |
| 20:39.46 | IskatuMesk | does heroes play like a drunken middle aged man (dota) or is it snappy like bw? |
| 20:42.37 | phil___ | haha |
| 20:42.47 | phil___ | I can't stand most "3d" games for that reason |
| 20:42.50 | phil___ | so damn floaty |
| 20:42.55 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 20:43.03 | IskatuMesk | anything with forced latency is unplayable to me |
| 20:43.10 | phil___ | I got into ssbm - and ssbb was a terrible increment |
| 20:43.15 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 20:43.15 | phil___ | super smash* |
| 20:43.17 | Ahli | thank god that I'm not playing heroes in solo queue :D must be unfun... |
| 20:43.34 | IskatuMesk | solo queue in general is going to be unfun with team based games |
| 20:43.46 | Ahli | mesk, yes it has a bit of latency... |
| 20:44.02 | IskatuMesk | too bad |
| 20:44.21 | Ahli | but BW had worse latency, btw |
| 20:44.23 | Ahli | on bnet |
| 20:44.35 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 20:44.46 | IskatuMesk | bent is horrible for latency in general |
| 20:45.13 | IskatuMesk | that's why I played shit on iccup :3 |
| 20:45.18 | IskatuMesk | or LAN... |
| 20:45.52 | IskatuMesk | post-stardraft, everything I played was tunneled through LAN. There's no going back to forced latency systems or laggy servers after that. |
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| 20:49.58 | cthourd | wassup dudes, dudettes, and dudites! |
| 20:57.45 | Arcane|Work1 | For what I've read, they have improved the engine/netcode and so the forced latency is lowered. I'm assuming it can be lowered even further, by being somewhat reckless. |
| 20:57.56 | Arcane|Work1 | ie, allow a level of desync |
| 20:58.07 | Arcane|Work1 | or skip any kind of checking for any tampering |
| 20:59.36 | cthourd | how much lowered we talkin? |
| 20:59.56 | cthourd | i'll get back to you |
| 21:00.32 | IskatuMesk | anything above 20ms is too high for me really |
| 21:00.44 | IskatuMesk | assuming the pathing and everything is already super responsive |
| 21:01.39 | IskatuMesk | that's for non-serious play, serious play I can feel USB polling latency, but 3d games are never that responsive |
| 21:02.13 | IskatuMesk | at least sc2 isn't as bad as many games that have come out for innate latency |
| 21:02.27 | phil___ | haha - I'm messing with these force triggers and persistents with the end goal of getting units to move out of the way before I jump into a crowd. Anyway, I see the posibilities of synchronized dancing zerglings. |
| 21:02.35 | phil___ | force effects* |
| 21:02.37 | Arcane|Work1 | Welp, 20 ms is physically impossible for most people, simple law of physics. |
| 21:02.42 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 21:02.46 | IskatuMesk | I get about 24ms to league servers |
| 21:02.58 | IskatuMesk | but the game still feels slow because it had some forced latency on top of it |
| 21:03.27 | Arcane|Work1 | Like, I'm as close as almost anyone can get to Blizzard servers, since I drive by them (ATT facility here in Irvine) and I still get the latency. |
| 21:03.37 | IskatuMesk | I can understand the physics of latency always being there and unavoidable, I just absolutely despise arbitrary latency just because |
| 21:03.58 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, they have no choice, otherwise you have to permit an indeterminate game state. |
| 21:04.07 | Arcane|Work1 | Or force exit the game |
| 21:04.20 | IskatuMesk | the excuse was "to balance people who have dialup" |
| 21:04.28 | Arcane|Work1 | Better to play with some added latency then have multiple game drop. |
| 21:04.37 | Arcane|Work1 | Umm yes? Welcome to the USA, we have garbage internet. |
| 21:04.42 | IskatuMesk | blizzard was saying it was solely to make people with shitty connections feel better |
| 21:04.46 | IskatuMesk | as opposed to an actual technical issue |
| 21:05.06 | IskatuMesk | and really, those people just shouldn't be playing or should expect to be at a disadvantage as opposed to making everyone play in bad conditions |
| 21:05.09 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, the alternative is force lag such people out of games. |
| 21:05.16 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 21:05.22 | Arcane|Work1 | Yeah.. that doesn't go over well |
| 21:05.29 | phil___ | haha |
| 21:06.05 | IskatuMesk | americans and canadians need to be pressuring their isps to fix their infrastructure and stop taking so many shortcuts and overselling |
| 21:06.27 | phil___ | you mean pressuring our god given monopoly? |
| 21:06.31 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 21:06.33 | Arcane|Work1 | btw phil___, an important factor to consider with physics effects, you need to consider friction/gravity. Gravity is set in the terrain defintion. To avoid this, before starting a series of force effects, lift the unit off the ground. |
| 21:06.34 | Arcane|Work1 | lol |
| 21:06.38 | IskatuMesk | man, fuck canada internet. |
| 21:07.06 | phil___ | yeah Arcane|Work1 - I read that but through fiddling I didn't find that to be the case |
| 21:07.07 | Arcane|Work1 | ISP is a natural monopoly, so it really should be run by the local electric company to be honest. |
| 21:07.23 | IskatuMesk | like, the US is pretty bad, but at least you have *some* competition, and at least UBB had *some* resistance |
| 21:07.23 | phil___ | yeah it should be a utility |
| 21:07.32 | Arcane|Work1 | IskatuMesk: We have no competition |
| 21:07.36 | IskatuMesk | google fiber? |
| 21:07.39 | phil___ | utility driven internet is the best competition we have atm |
| 21:07.43 | phil___ | google fiber is too small scale |
| 21:07.50 | Arcane|Work1 | Google Fiber is the first to even TRY in years |
| 21:07.54 | IskatuMesk | in the areas where google fiber exists, you have competition |
| 21:08.03 | phil___ | we also have areas where it's a utility |
| 21:08.09 | phil___ | that was scaring big ISP's way more |
| 21:08.11 | Arcane|Work1 | That's it, so... one small city in the midwest and a section of Austin texas |
| 21:08.19 | IskatuMesk | I need to head to texas |
| 21:08.24 | Arcane|Work1 | and maybe a medium size town in Utah |
| 21:08.24 | phil___ | they're putting in "anti-competitive laws" to prevent it - ISP lobbyists I mean |
| 21:08.28 | Arcane|Work1 | ^ |
| 21:08.32 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 21:08.37 | IskatuMesk | also canada hates foreign companies |
| 21:08.49 | Arcane|Work1 | Most places, the city is sued into oblivion, and failing that, the ISP gets municipal ISPs declared illegal |
| 21:09.02 | Arcane|Work1 | like in North Carolina |
| 21:09.04 | IskatuMesk | we're trying to put people back on cable television, the best way to do that is to steadily raise costs and pocket all money granted to improve infrastructure |
| 21:09.18 | phil___ | yeah |
| 21:09.21 | Arcane|Work1 | Costs are already going up, courtesy of Disney and co |
| 21:09.22 | phil___ | that's what I read as well |
| 21:09.25 | IskatuMesk | if you want unlimited bandwidth here, it starts at dialup speeds for $155 a month |
| 21:09.36 | IskatuMesk | no one bats an eye |
| 21:09.50 | Arcane|Work1 | Yes, because you the hell you going to complain to? |
| 21:09.51 | phil___ | damn |
| 21:09.56 | IskatuMesk | best korea |
| 21:09.56 | Arcane|Work1 | who* |
| 21:10.04 | IskatuMesk | our dear leader will save us |
| 21:10.11 | phil___ | haha |
| 21:10.24 | IskatuMesk | the corruption is silly here |
| 21:10.36 | phil___ | my favorite company battle to watch atm is verizon <-> netflix |
| 21:10.42 | IskatuMesk | about the only good thing we have is that anti-trolling law |
| 21:10.43 | phil___ | that shit is real good |
| 21:10.54 | phil___ | what's the anti-trolling law? |
| 21:10.56 | Arcane|Work1 | Yes, we good Americans have legalized and institutionalized bribery |
| 21:11.09 | phil___ | not only that - we encourage it |
| 21:11.10 | IskatuMesk | you can only get like 5k out of people for copyright shit |
| 21:11.16 | IskatuMesk | so the court costs aren't worth it |
| 21:11.18 | phil___ | ah I see |
| 21:11.28 | phil___ | that is good |
| 21:11.28 | Arcane|Work1 | Hence "institutionalized" |
| 21:11.29 | IskatuMesk | america is flooded with corporations who copyright troll things they don't even own and try to get people to settle out of court |
| 21:11.39 | phil___ | ha treue |
| 21:11.40 | Arcane|Work1 | It is now standard practice to bribe |
| 21:11.44 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 21:11.46 | IskatuMesk | it's a real business |
| 21:11.49 | Arcane|Work1 | To get anything done at the national level |
| 21:12.01 | IskatuMesk | it works pretty swell because so few people are willing to bring it to the court, even though they'd easily win most cases |
| 21:12.17 | Arcane|Work1 | Well yeah, because "winning" in court is pyhrrix |
| 21:12.22 | phil___ | IskatuMesk - yeah I actually got sick of reading those cases because it was so rampant |
| 21:12.31 | Arcane|Work1 | Since just showing up will cost you a couple grand |
| 21:12.35 | IskatuMesk | I only followed them a little bit, it was hilarious |
| 21:12.50 | IskatuMesk | netfix already caved in to isp pressure I guess |
| 21:12.51 | Arcane|Work1 | That's why it worked so well, defending yourself in court cost more. |
| 21:13.03 | phil___ | and Arcane|Work1 - I was actually happy to see google start lobbying, only because there's no way to get around it. I think they had to lobby for their auto-driven car program in CA |
| 21:13.04 | IskatuMesk | they said they were going to call out people and get them to switch isps when they started throttling, but nothing is happening |
| 21:13.07 | phil___ | though I could be wrong on that |
| 21:13.10 | IskatuMesk | yeah arc, it's too bad |
| 21:13.13 | IskatuMesk | can't you countersue? |
| 21:13.36 | Arcane|Work1 | Same problem. Most people don't have 10k lying around to go to court. |
| 21:13.51 | Arcane|Work1 | Even if it is virtually guaranteed you win |
| 21:13.53 | IskatuMesk | too bad |
| 21:14.03 | IskatuMesk | I'd throw away every penny to humiliate some corporation. It'd be worth it |
| 21:14.17 | phil___ | haha |
| 21:14.18 | Arcane|Work1 | And losing... if you lose and you get stuck with winner costs, you are bankrupt instantly |
| 21:14.48 | Arcane|Work1 | Since its either in house counsel or a firm on retainer billing for 100's an hour. |
| 21:15.44 | Arcane|Work1 | AS for a mapmaking question, or SC2 related one. I saw earlier in chat that there is a PTR button for SC2? Is this true? |
| 21:15.53 | TheSkunk_ | Only have one left to go now: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2apaoa/rotc_arcade_contest_top_10_unreal_arena_similar/ |
| 21:16.10 | phil___ | ptr button? |
| 21:17.34 | Arcane|Work1 | Drop down menu when selecting regions |
| 21:19.16 | IskatuMesk | sc2 always had a ptr didn't it? |
| 21:21.42 | Arcane|Work1 | No, it had beta for when swarm was going to be released, didn't see PTR before now |
| 21:21.50 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 21:22.00 | IskatuMesk | I thought I remembered seeing it a long time ago |
| 21:22.03 | IskatuMesk | just that it wasn't used much |
| 21:22.04 | Arcane|Work1 | Going to install PTR real quick, see if it is any different from live. |
| 21:22.17 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, next patch will almost certainly have a PTR. |
| 21:22.37 | Ahli | due to engine changes for gameheart wcs? :D |
| 21:22.40 | Arcane|Work1 | Large changes to editor, changeover to new data format, possible merge of storm code, and who knows what else. |
| 21:22.55 | IskatuMesk | what editor changes? |
| 21:22.58 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, I think it will be integration with their backend stuff. |
| 21:23.09 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, merging all the stuff made for Storm. |
| 21:23.14 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 21:23.31 | Arcane|Work1 | It looks to be, at least 2-3 new sections in data editor, plus all the new natives in triggers. Also serverside banks |
| 21:24.04 | Arcane|Work1 | JademusSreg found changes in storm map header files that suggest dependency references to network locations. Right now, dependenies are downloaded and referenced locally when playing. |
| 21:24.38 | IskatuMesk | all fairly irrelevant to my work I guess |
| 21:24.42 | IskatuMesk | except for any possible performance boosts |
| 21:25.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:25.29 | IskatuMesk | I'll be too busy trying to figure out solutions to this sound problem to do much for a long time :/ |
| 21:26.09 | JademusSreg | Actually, the bnet dependency things in the header were part of an update a while back, around patch 2.whatever. |
| 21:26.37 | JademusSreg | The weird thing I found was what I assume is a token, blizzmap# |
| 21:27.58 | JademusSreg | Remind me to check the in-memory file data for opened official blizz maps. |
| 21:28.08 | mille25 | so, did anyone have the balls to install the mysterious ptr yet? :D |
| 21:28.24 | IskatuMesk | arc is going spelunking |
| 21:28.45 | IskatuMesk | I don';t have the bandwidth, haha |
| 21:28.48 | IskatuMesk | canada. |
| 21:29.30 | IskatuMesk | do tell me if the new patch deletes everything again |
| 21:29.34 | mille25 | i do, but i dont want to risk fucking my existing install. |
| 21:29.35 | IskatuMesk | I want to avoid another 1.5 disaster |
| 21:31.56 | JademusSreg | Wat ptr? |
| 21:32.04 | IskatuMesk | burning crusade |
| 21:32.36 | mille25 | JademusSreg: there is a ptr region in the bnet client for sc2 |
| 21:32.43 | mille25 | but nobody really remembers if it had always been there |
| 21:32.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:32.48 | mille25 | its possible to "install", too. |
| 21:32.56 | JademusSreg | I'll recognize any and all differences. |
| 21:35.08 | Arcane|Work1 | Currently DLing the PTR, got 5 gigs to go, so about 5 minutes or so |
| 21:35.33 | JademusSreg | Version indicates it's an old build. |
| 21:35.39 | Arcane|Work1 | Figures |
| 21:35.43 | mille25 | :/ |
| 21:35.57 | mille25 | its probably like hots beta or smth |
| 21:36.33 | JademusSreg | I didn't need to install it, since I've had it since the last time I dissected it, few months ago, iirc. |
| 21:36.40 | Arcane|Work1 | Nah, beta had a separate thing. |
| 21:36.59 | mille25 | but what was the last PTR then? must have been 1.5 |
| 21:37.36 | JademusSreg | Additionally, upon launching, it says connection lost. So no new PTR version, no PTR patch, the client has merely included the option to better integrate launching PTR. |
| 21:37.43 | JademusSreg | 2.0.1 |
| 21:38.08 | Arcane|Work1 | Oh yeah, there was a PTR for WOL people to see what things would change with Swarm |
| 21:38.29 | mille25 | so i was actually right.. hots ptr.. :D |
| 21:38.45 | Arcane|Work1 | Yep, I had forgotten about that. |
| 21:38.53 | Arcane|Work1 | Still, strange that they have left it up. |
| 21:39.06 | Arcane|Work1 | Guess it is easier for them. |
| 21:43.09 | JademusSreg | *2.1.0 |
| 21:43.44 | mille25 | i want you to say 2.2.0 :( |
| 21:45.18 | phil___ | oh and Arcane|Work1 - I think the force you were talking about earlier was actor forces correct? Upon reading more on the subject, it seems the aerial requirement is only for actor effects - mainly death ragdoll movement |
| 21:46.19 | Arcane|Work1 | phil___: Nah, I was referring to actual force effects |
| 21:46.34 | Arcane|Work1 | See Effects -> Apply Force |
| 21:46.46 | phil___ | gosh - because when I lift a unit or don't lift a unit, the force still basically tells the unit to move away from said location |
| 21:47.05 | phil___ | and if I lift a unit, the unit still "walks" to wherever the force told it to go |
| 21:47.20 | phil___ | just does so while above the ground |
| 21:47.29 | phil___ | lift being change the unit's height |
| 21:47.59 | phil___ | whatever, I'll play around some more |
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| 21:51.58 | JademusSreg | Apply Force sucks. |
| 21:52.34 | JademusSreg | Has a few uses, admittedly. |
| 21:52.36 | Arcane|Work1 | ^, if you are not aware of the friction/gravity interaction, applying it once will barely move a unit on ground. It has to be applied dozens of times to actually work. |
| 21:53.26 | JademusSreg | + The unit must be capable of following a move order. |
| 21:53.38 | Arcane|Work1 | Oh? |
| 21:53.50 | Arcane|Work1 | I thought it just needed the movable flag checked. |
| 21:53.56 | phil___ | yeah JademusSreg - I'm using it to tell units to clear the spot for which my ultralisk will jump |
| 21:54.16 | JademusSreg | If you want to do knockback, use launch missile effects. |
| 21:54.43 | JademusSreg | If you want to not-urgently move units, use force. |
| 21:54.59 | phil___ | mk - it would look more natural for them to "run" from the spot |
| 21:55.08 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 21:55.12 | JademusSreg | Force it is. |
| 21:55.14 | phil___ | maybe I'll modify their movement speed for the time being |
| 21:55.15 | phil___ | yeah |
| 21:55.48 | Arcane|Work1 | Well, have the units impacted by the launch missile effects adjust their walking animiation speed accordingly. |
| 21:56.01 | Arcane|Work1 | Should be easily doable in actors. |
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| 22:37.52 | paynis | hey yall |
| 22:38.00 | paynis | do we know at what precise time the polls ends, tomorrow? |
| 22:42.02 | JademusSreg | At ÊƼƻ o'clock áµáµ. |
| 22:43.37 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, at least tech companies are resisting economically destructive intelligence agency activities, so that's better than not: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/obama-administration-says-the-worlds-servers-are-ours/ |
| 22:48.44 | paynis | "started Jul 8, 2014 ends Jul 15, 2014" |
| 22:49.27 | paynis | at what exact time was that blog post published? > http://us.battle.net/arcade/en/blog/14569682/top-ten-arcade-games-revealed-play-vote-win-7-8-2014 < |
| 22:53.57 | Bounty | ends Jul 15, 2014 |
| 22:54.31 | Bounty | Have some patience for christ sake lol. |
| 22:54.32 | paynis | I want the actual time :( |
| 22:54.54 | paynis | ain't got no patience for earning money |
| 22:54.59 | mille25 | when it comes to blizzard, always expect the latest possible date, so in this case midnight july 15th |
| 22:55.03 | paynis | but I don't mind waiting hours on the side of the road when hitchhiking, haha |
| 22:55.55 | paynis | oh well |
| 22:56.00 | paynis | g2g |
| 22:56.05 | pirate | I believe it ends in the afternoon |
| 22:56.16 | pirate | something like 3PM PST, I remember reading |
| 22:56.19 | pirate | but okay bye |
| 22:57.06 | pirate | right, okay, back to getting work done |
| 23:02.51 | IskatuMesk | hue |
| 23:03.22 | IskatuMesk | acoustic panels are hella crikey expensive |
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| 23:16.01 | tordy | wassup dudes and dudettes, how y'all doin |
| 23:16.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:19.56 | tordy | what about latency |
| 23:20.05 | tordy | how much is it lowered? |
| 23:25.28 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 23:26.13 | pirate | barely |
| 23:26.25 | pirate | it's still at 200ms IIRC |
| 23:28.09 | tordy | so nothing's changed? |
| 23:38.27 | pirate | it's better than pre 1.5 |
| 23:39.00 | tordy | pre1.5? what was that 2 years ago? |
| 23:39.29 | pirate | DO I LOOK LIKE AN ENCYCLOPAEDIA TO YOU |
| 23:40.36 | Ahli | play "ping test" and see for yourself |
| 23:41.48 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:41.57 | IskatuMesk | 200ms whoa, you pinging overseas? |
| 23:46.56 | tordy | there's a ping test map? |
| 23:46.58 | tordy | im glad |
| 23:48.18 | pirate | iskatu, blizz forces network ms for the game engine |
| 23:48.27 | pirate | or some black technomagic |
| 23:48.53 | IskatuMesk | they are forcing 200? |
| 23:48.59 | IskatuMesk | I remember them saying 150 in wol beta |
| 23:49.07 | IskatuMesk | no wonder the game is so sluggish haha |
| 23:49.46 | pirate | maybe it is 150 |
| 23:50.20 | IskatuMesk | it was 300 early into beta |
| 23:51.15 | pirate | it's present in heroes of the storm too |
| 23:51.45 | IskatuMesk | no surprise |
| 23:55.11 | pirate | many, many complaints in heroes |
| 23:55.28 | pirate | I suspect they will be forced to lower it |
| 23:58.05 | Ahli | man, I started playing heroes with 400ms or something |
| 23:58.17 | Ahli | constant bad connection info thing in the top left |
| 23:58.29 | Ahli | and 1s game server freezes, lol |
| 23:58.37 | Ahli | every 12 seconds |
| 23:59.21 | Ahli | the worst aspect right now is the huge FPS drop I receive during vallah's ulti |
