| 00:18.50 | pirate | yarg |
| 00:20.30 | Bounty | blargh |
| 00:20.38 | Teratron | damn can't sleep |
| 00:21.04 | Teratron | watching some relaxing mars pics |
| 00:21.33 | pirate | take melatonin and drink yourself to sleep |
| 00:21.40 | Teratron | in the incredible superb royal 250kb jpeg quality ! oh Yeaaah! |
| 00:21.58 | pirate | right bounty? |
| 00:22.27 | Teratron | can't sleep because i haven't fixed my cycle yet |
| 00:22.43 | Bounty | lol wtf pirate |
| 00:22.44 | pirate | (never take life advice from a pirate) |
| 00:23.05 | Bounty | I don't think that would do anything in terms of damage. |
| 00:23.12 | Bounty | Would be one hell of a sleep though |
| 00:23.49 | pirate | alcohol interferes with REM, and thus alcohol-sleep is less restful than sober sleep |
| 00:24.30 | pirate | also, after a certain age alcohol makes you wake up early |
| 00:24.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:24.44 | Bounty | really? |
| 00:25.04 | pirate | absolutely for the REM thing |
| 00:25.04 | Bounty | I thought that was a freak occurrence |
| 00:25.19 | pirate | the wake up early thing might just be anecdotal |
| 00:25.26 | Bounty | Anytime I woke up earlier after drinking I felt more rested than when I slept sober with Melatonin..... |
| 00:25.49 | Bounty | was either 6 hours or 12 hours, no in between >.< |
| 00:26.23 | pirate | I think that can attributed to contrast between sobering wake and drunken sleep |
| 00:26.58 | Bounty | Yeah, only happened when I was coming down and went to bed. Going to bed shit faced = 12 hours in bed |
| 00:27.03 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:28.03 | pirate | the body wakes up early after a night of drinking due to sobering up (sobering causes a spike in neurotransmitters ie energy level > causing wake at 6am) |
| 00:28.48 | pirate | I made that up, but it sounds plausible, no? |
| 00:28.53 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 00:28.59 | Bounty | Could be |
| 00:29.17 | pirate | debugging is no fun |
| 00:29.38 | Bounty | I did learn that the amount of total alcohol you consume in a night has different effects on personality than being shit faced drunk |
| 00:29.58 | Bounty | So thats my snapple fact |
| 00:30.13 | Bounty | Oh but it feels so good when its over pirate >.< |
| 00:32.19 | Bounty | You need some epic debugger music pirate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYe4dSunbs8 |
| 00:32.58 | pirate | Ive been listening to 'orchestral pop' |
| 00:33.15 | Bounty | never heard of that genre, sounds interesting though.... |
| 00:33.27 | Bounty | must youtube it |
| 00:33.52 | Teratron | too much sleep is always a bad idea |
| 00:34.30 | Bounty | like this pirate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jakbu9GMNJ8 |
| 00:34.30 | Bounty | ? |
| 00:34.42 | Bounty | thats what orchestral pop returned |
| 00:34.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:35.13 | Teratron | i did learn that if i drink to a certain level i don't like it at all, so i have to be more drunk |
| 00:35.28 | Teratron | if im half-drunk my personality goes out and i pretty much fell crap |
| 00:35.31 | pirate | no, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywIgQBnBndI&feature=kp |
| 00:35.43 | pirate | I havent decided whether or not I like it yet |
| 00:36.12 | Bounty | I'm a sucker for string instruments.... |
| 00:36.14 | Bounty | man |
| 00:36.17 | Bounty | vocals |
| 00:36.18 | Bounty | :( |
| 00:36.23 | pirate | right? |
| 00:36.29 | pirate | wait for the chorus |
| 00:36.31 | Teratron | this is for you pirate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY |
| 00:37.12 | Bounty | well |
| 00:37.19 | pirate | I learned if I'm at a very specific level of drunk (somewhere between 9 and 10 but definitely no more than 10) I am almost guaranteed to get laid |
| 00:37.29 | Bounty | If they remove the main singer/vocals it would be amazing |
| 00:37.37 | pirate | tatroton I think you meant to link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXoZsgNHquM&feature=kp |
| 00:37.44 | Teratron | what do the numbers mean ? |
| 00:38.10 | pirate | int drinksConsumed; |
| 00:38.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:38.14 | Teratron | i know haha :p |
| 00:38.27 | pirate | er, I suppose fixed |
| 00:38.29 | Teratron | metal version, never heard of it but i linked it for a joke the lazytown one |
| 00:38.43 | Bounty | the key is to maintain the prop buzz level, easier said than done but it should be the goal. |
| 00:39.12 | Bounty | then as pirate said, you get the booty |
| 00:39.20 | Bounty | and can still maintain an erection |
| 00:39.21 | pirate | for maximum entertainment and not getting into trouble, yes |
| 00:39.22 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:39.24 | Teratron | well you want something more hardcore pirate ? |
| 00:39.32 | pirate | oh god no |
| 00:39.37 | pirate | whatever youre about to link |
| 00:39.38 | pirate | dont |
| 00:39.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:39.52 | Teratron | muhuihuhuahahhaha |
| 00:40.24 | Bounty | Let thine prophecy be done. |
| 00:40.26 | Teratron | it contains a version of the pirate song from lazy town, but it's somewere in there |
| 00:40.32 | Teratron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIFcEEwDSI |
| 00:41.01 | Bounty | .... |
| 00:41.11 | pirate | that hurt my brain |
| 00:41.19 | Bounty | its a trick pirate |
| 00:41.23 | Bounty | fast forward the video |
| 00:41.29 | Teratron | wait wait watch it whole plz |
| 00:41.30 | Bounty | its exactly what you thought it was going to be |
| 00:41.33 | Teratron | no skip : |
| 00:41.36 | Bounty | nope |
| 00:41.43 | pirate | YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO |
| 00:41.53 | Teratron | no i just wish |
| 00:42.00 | Teratron | it's funny |
| 00:42.05 | Teratron | but it won't be if you skip |
| 00:42.15 | Bounty | I wonder if they have any versions of that song without the vocals pirate, an instrumental version. |
| 00:42.25 | pirate | new release I think so no :( |
| 00:42.31 | Bounty | bah |
| 00:42.54 | pirate | I'm glad you share my tornness about it though |
| 00:42.56 | Teratron | hey come on guys, that's just the intro, please watch the whole vid and then comment, isn't that fair ? |
| 00:43.00 | Bounty | Will just have to bookmark it, I personally thought it was very good except the vocals thing. |
| 00:43.16 | Bounty | Well yeah, most groups make that mistake lol |
| 00:43.21 | pirate | do you want us to like and subscribe too? |
| 00:43.35 | Teratron | no ofcourse not |
| 00:44.02 | Bounty | I think I only have about 10 songs total that have vocals in them and 3 of them are from Dethklok lol |
| 00:44.08 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:44.16 | Bounty | So may as well not be vocals |
| 00:45.02 | Teratron | do you guys even get what was was the sandy tunes video about ? |
| 00:45.23 | pirate | probably some political insanity |
| 00:45.33 | Bounty | Probably something to do with a conspiracy regarding hurricane sandy or sandy hook. |
| 00:45.55 | pirate | maybe sandy hook CAUSED the hurrican |
| 00:46.05 | Bounty | hmmm |
| 00:46.34 | Bounty | the smoke emitted from the bullets could have gone into the atmosphere and affected the trajectory of the storm.... |
| 00:46.53 | Teratron | several parts stiched together ... if you don't watch the whole thing you'll miss a lot |
| 00:46.59 | Bounty | or you could go with my favorite theory pirate |
| 00:47.18 | Bounty | and that is Obama can control the weather and creates these disasters to win elections or get the press off of him. |
| 00:47.45 | pirate | so what your saying is the hurricane caused the shooting |
| 00:48.01 | pirate | and it all leads back to the president |
| 00:48.03 | pirate | you're right, that does make more sense |
| 00:49.28 | Bounty | well... this sucks pirate |
| 00:49.39 | Bounty | There was an image I saw of Obamas face in a storm cloud |
| 00:49.50 | Bounty | I was going to top it off with that but... can't find it |
| 00:49.51 | Teratron | ah nat true |
| 00:49.51 | Bounty | :( |
| 00:50.19 | Teratron | if you want obama then here he is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUp0XhQ8idw |
| 00:53.04 | Teratron | too hardcore ? |
| 01:01.07 | Teratron | i guess so, jeez it's 3 o clocl better get going some sleep |
| 01:01.43 | Teratron | purl say hi |
| 01:01.44 | purl | hi |
| 01:02.10 | pirate | purl say ~whois pirate |
| 01:02.11 | purl | ~whois pirate |
| 01:02.18 | Bounty | oh man |
| 01:02.21 | Bounty | that would have been epic pirate |
| 01:02.24 | Bounty | if that worked |
| 01:02.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:02.44 | pirate | how do we get a 2nd purl |
| 01:02.55 | pirate | and get them to talk to each other |
| 01:03.08 | Bounty | purl say purl say say |
| 01:03.08 | purl | purl say say |
| 01:03.28 | Bounty | we have repo |
| 01:03.33 | Bounty | not sure if he talks though |
| 01:04.21 | Bounty | purl say ~seen purl |
| 01:04.21 | purl | ~seen purl |
| 01:04.23 | Teratron | i've literally never seen that guy talk |
| 01:04.34 | Teratron | ~seen purl |
| 01:04.39 | purl | purl is currently on ##bz-inc (1d 3h 52m 50s) #openezx (1d 3h 52m 50s) #familysearch (1d 3h 52m 50s) #casualti (1d 3h 52m 50s) #wowuidev (1d 3h 52m 50s) #ud (1d 3h 52m 50s) #sc2mapster (1d 3h 52m 50s) ##ducleague (1d 3h 52m 50s) #kas (1d 3h 52m 50s) #norganna (1d 3h 52m 50s) #arl (1d 3h 52m 50s) #pegasos.org (1d 3h 52m 50s) #toruidev (1d 3h 52m 50s) ... |
| 01:04.39 | Bounty | Repo is a bot, like purl |
| 01:04.39 | Teratron | nada |
| 01:05.37 | pirate | purl, status? |
| 01:05.38 | purl | it has been said that status is 41 |
| 01:06.40 | Teratron | do you guys wanna see the most preetiest 220kb mars pics ? |
| 01:07.19 | Teratron | i really don't know if i'll fall asleep even if i go to bed right now |
| 01:07.23 | pirate | purl, karma for bounty |
| 01:07.23 | purl | for bounty has neutral karma |
| 01:07.33 | pirate | purl, karma for jademus |
| 01:07.33 | purl | for jademus has neutral karma |
| 01:07.38 | pirate | purl, really? |
| 01:07.39 | purl | REALLY! |
| 01:08.23 | Bounty | purl, karma for sixen |
| 01:08.23 | purl | for sixen has neutral karma |
| 01:08.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:08.30 | Teratron | purl i have said that you need to do some washing today because i'll be going to the neighbours do you hear me you ninkampoop |
| 01:08.30 | purl | You have said that you need to do some washing today because i'll be going to the neighbours do you hear me you ninkampoop? |
| 01:09.15 | Bounty | ~whois purl say hi |
| 01:09.26 | Bounty | meh |
| 01:09.28 | Teratron | purl is an idiot |
| 01:09.38 | Teratron | nada? |
| 01:09.42 | Bounty | and you're supposed to be in bed young man. |
| 01:09.43 | Teratron | purl is heroic |
| 01:09.47 | Bounty | >.< |
| 01:09.48 | Teratron | purl you are a hero |
| 01:09.48 | purl | Teratron: what are you talking about? |
| 01:10.03 | Teratron | purl you are all my base is belong to us |
| 01:10.03 | purl | Teratron: what are you talking about? |
| 01:11.29 | Teratron | purl im talking about that you need to pay obama and al-gore some carbon tax just like the aztecs chopped 50 kid's hearts out every day thinking the sun won't rise the next day! |
| 01:11.55 | pirate | purl, tell teratron to go to bed |
| 01:12.02 | Teratron | hah |
| 01:12.11 | Bounty | well, you were right that people love controversy on reddit pirate |
| 01:12.13 | pirate | purl, tell Teratron to go to bed |
| 01:12.15 | Bounty | look at the first post |
| 01:12.16 | Bounty | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft |
| 01:12.26 | pirate | purl, dammit |
| 01:12.34 | Bounty | such a minuscule statement lol |
| 01:12.45 | Bounty | = #1 |
| 01:16.05 | Teratron | seriously, i find this relaxing at nights ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oa-5cv0r1I |
| 01:16.15 | Teratron | and a few other channels |
| 01:34.57 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iC-R10_Bw |
| 01:34.59 | Bounty | crazy |
| 02:17.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster purl (~purl@rikers.org) |
| 02:17.18 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 02:17.29 | ArcanePariah | And not exactly formatting, but structure. I know I can apply a style, but I want to add newlines |
| 02:17.34 | Bounty | You need to add the prefix and suffix to the text |
| 02:17.48 | Bounty | sec |
| 02:18.26 | pirate | Style tag |
| 02:18.33 | Bounty | <s val="ModCenterSize64Bold"> |
| 02:18.41 | ArcanePariah | I need to add newlines |
| 02:18.43 | Bounty | with </s> after |
| 02:19.00 | pirate | <Style val = ModCenterSize64Bold/> |
| 02:19.06 | pirate | er |
| 02:19.10 | Bounty | thats what I just said |
| 02:19.11 | pirate | val="asdasdas" |
| 02:19.26 | Bounty | put the text in between that and the </s> |
| 02:19.29 | pirate | except I wrote in xml |
| 02:19.37 | Bounty | and if you want to apply a diff text style to other text |
| 02:19.40 | ArcanePariah | Style is not the issue, I need the text to include newlines |
| 02:19.43 | Bounty | just do the same but after the </s> of the previous |
| 02:19.54 | Bounty | newlines? |
| 02:20.02 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I tried /n and \n |
| 02:20.08 | ArcanePariah | neither worked |
| 02:20.11 | Bounty | just hit enter? |
| 02:20.19 | ArcanePariah | Ermm, this is in the XML of UI |
| 02:20.25 | pirate | lol |
| 02:20.25 | Bounty | <n/> |
| 02:20.27 | ArcanePariah | and even with Enter, it adds /n |
| 02:20.33 | Bounty | is what I use |
| 02:20.36 | Bounty | works fine |
| 02:20.43 | Bounty | use <n/> |
| 02:20.48 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty |
| 02:20.52 | pirate | I could not figure out how to add new lines in XML :( |
| 02:21.12 | Bounty | That will make this that much sweeter if it works pirate |
| 02:21.13 | Bounty | thanks |
| 02:21.14 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:21.23 | ArcanePariah | It does not, since it breaks the XML |
| 02:21.24 | pirate | I tried all of those things |
| 02:21.31 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if CDATA is supported |
| 02:22.46 | Bounty | Is there some sort of benefit in doing this via xml? |
| 02:23.09 | ArcanePariah | Well, I want to set the tooltip instead of having to hookup and set the tooltip in triggers |
| 02:23.18 | ArcanePariah | But I may have to do that anyhow |
| 02:23.18 | Bounty | Ah |
| 02:23.28 | pirate | aye, that's what I ended up doing |
| 02:23.33 | Bounty | Well, its not exactly a silly way of doing it |
| 02:23.43 | Bounty | only time tasted going the more difficult route in this case |
| 02:24.54 | pirate | there's a whole bunch of things that can only be done with xml, unlike script vs. gui |
| 02:25.11 | Bounty | thats why I said "in this case" |
| 02:25.22 | Bounty | if this is for tooltips.... |
| 02:25.27 | Bounty | there is no benefit |
| 02:25.45 | pirate | oh yeah, I just meant generally |
| 02:25.51 | Bounty | of course >.< |
| 02:29.31 | ArcanePariah | Well actually, script can set virtually any xml, including UI xml. The exposed gui functions simply are wrappers to the true natives that let you set any property of a dialog item. |
| 02:29.41 | Bounty | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/68416-kitchen-design-lancashire-reviews/#p1 |
| 02:29.46 | Bounty | moar kitchens! |
| 02:29.54 | ArcanePariah | Which I intend to use once JademusSreg finished his regex magic and generates the standard lib |
| 02:30.05 | ArcanePariah | finishes* |
| 07:41.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster purl (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 07:41.10 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 07:43.04 | Demalii | Hello, is there anyway let's say.. I made a pinball map, and want to record high scores, so whenever a person plays in the arcade, it would show the highest score recorded by any who has played? |
| 07:55.49 | Bounty | peow |
| 08:02.20 | Merc | pow |
| 08:02.43 | Merc | Demalii: I think there's something called banking, but I'm not sure. Kind of a newbie. |
| 08:05.07 | duckies | demalii you can make each user store top 10 individually, then when 2 users meet you update "true" scorebroads based on those two individual scoreboards. |
| 08:06.35 | duckies | but, if it's a top 10 scoreboard be prepared that someone will hack his bank and input something funny with unreal score to forever clutter the ladder |
| 08:06.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster IcE^ (ice@skalman.tech.dreamhack.se) |
| 08:22.10 | Goa___ | duckies I have scoreboard like that and people rarely hack banks, also I can reset the top score board if some hacks and it will be filled up again by the people who play the map. (also this scoreboard only works nice if people play your map:D) |
| 08:23.34 | Goa_ | Also stuffs that have my extra protections was never hacked |
| 08:26.36 | duckies | goa_ that's cause your map is for smart people who are classy and don't bother with petty wordly distractions (if it's for randomTD). I speak based on experience with certain hero survival map which was very popular a few years back. you could check top5 players scores in F12 and what was there wasn't pretty ;/ |
| 08:28.29 | duckies | sup with extra protextion stuff, I'm curious :D |
| 08:28.37 | duckies | *protection |
| 08:30.15 | Demalii | aha thanks, but not like a db can be stored. |
| 08:30.49 | duckies | nope, no storing neither banks nor databases on b-net |
| 08:31.10 | Demalii | right on, that saves me effort of adding more shiz |
| 08:31.38 | Demalii | btw do i really have to encrypt my banks with that mod? |
| 08:32.08 | Demalii | seems like effort to figure out how to utilize it |
| 08:36.59 | duckies | eh, I heard it does nice compression |
| 08:39.16 | duckies | but as far as protection goes, not sure how useful it is since if someone wants to hack your bank he'll download your map from b-net, modify variables for desired stats, use map to write the bank and sign it with signer tool |
| 08:39.31 | duckies | ^at least to my knowledge that's how it's done |
| 08:39.49 | Demalii | lame |
| 08:40.01 | duckies | b-net is lame =D |
| 08:40.14 | Demalii | only 2014 man, give them some time *rolls eyes* |
| 08:40.27 | Demalii | Hey one more.. |
| 08:42.09 | Demalii | ahh nvm i think i've set it up correctly just gotta test |
| 08:42.18 | Demalii | well thanks for the info duckies, appriciated |
| 08:43.34 | Goa_ | Duckies I use Starcode with some changes :) (like it compresses according to your bnet handle) |
| 08:47.27 | JademusSreg | duck is correct. |
| 08:47.28 | Goa_ | btw you can check here if your bank got hacked: http://www.d3scene.com/forum/starcraft-2-custom-maps/ :D |
| 08:48.19 | JademusSreg | Goa, still not good enough, but nice try. |
| 08:48.37 | Goa_ | whats not good enough? |
| 08:48.43 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.32 | Goa_ | well you cant 100% protect your bank so there wont be anything "good enough" :D |
| 08:49.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:49.58 | JademusSreg | goes back to tarting up the resume. |
| 08:51.03 | duckies | I see. hm, still some activity in that sub-forum, so much for a dead arcade =D |
| 08:52.56 | Goa_ | I think there is significantly more player since the summer brake |
| 08:53.06 | Goa_ | break:D |
| 08:53.42 | JademusSreg | Either way. |
| 08:54.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster IskatuMesk (4645ef99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.69.239.153) |
| 08:55.14 | Bounty | peow |
| 08:57.55 | JademusSreg | Most diffcult thing: concisely summarizing from a vast body of knowledge and experience the parts which others would find most significant. |
| 08:58.22 | IskatuMesk | "penis" |
| 08:58.55 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:20.36 | Bounty | Another interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_6vDLq64gE |
| 09:20.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:20.53 | Bounty | Common sense for the most part but still interesting IMO |
| 09:37.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:3ce6:9523:dc8d:e662) |
| 10:15.53 | unsafeCoerce | Ahli, hey sweetie. |
| 11:13.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (175b8f76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.91.143.118) |
| 11:22.21 | Merc | yarr |
| 11:41.48 | pirate | ahoy |
| 11:45.57 | JademusSreg | continues to work on resume variants, optimizing its prettiness. |
| 11:48.36 | JademusSreg | -Still- trying to trim down my editor experience to 1-2 lines. |
| 11:48.41 | JademusSreg | Non-triviaL. |
| 11:51.25 | pirate | "undeniably the most experienced non-blizzard galaxy editor user" |
| 11:52.10 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but I can't make that assertion on my own behalf. |
| 11:52.26 | JademusSreg | Though I might be able to quote other people. |
| 11:53.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, self-aggrandisement tends to invite misfortune. |
| 11:54.55 | JademusSreg | OR rather more accurately, invites counterexamples corresponding to the weight of the self-promotion. |
| 11:55.19 | JademusSreg | For example, "Impressed?" |
| 11:57.49 | pirate | queue resounding "No"S |
| 11:57.50 | pirate | right |
| 11:58.15 | pirate | please tell me your using more regular vocabulary on your application :P |
| 12:00.34 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 12:01.53 | JademusSreg | There are a few jocular placeholders in there, until I can think of something better. |
| 12:02.04 | JademusSreg | For instance "Semipro developer" |
| 12:02.42 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:3ce6:9523:dc8d:e662) |
| 12:02.44 | JademusSreg | Which is rather like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Pro |
| 12:04.39 | Merc | I'd just focus on making them interested enough to want to contact you |
| 12:05.04 | JademusSreg | That's what a cover letter aspires to accomplish. |
| 12:05.46 | Merc | come off as just narcissistic and ambitious enough while not looking like someone who wont fit in any teams ever |
| 12:06.41 | pirate | blizz sure does like team work |
| 12:07.27 | Merc | they come off to me as a nice bunch of social people |
| 12:07.34 | Merc | hardly even nerdy |
| 12:09.44 | JademusSreg | Alright, managed to reduce it to one line. |
| 12:10.37 | pirate | "super good at the editor and stuff" |
| 12:10.42 | JademusSreg | This was the content before: https://pastee.org/26w6v |
| 12:11.08 | JademusSreg | (Which is a shorter version of something much larger.) |
| 12:17.03 | Merc | you better not get this job |
| 12:17.10 | Merc | you'll be completely unable to help us then |
| 12:17.26 | Merc | tied down by endless piles of NDA |
| 12:20.31 | JademusSreg | Naw, on the contrary, I'd have greater technical insight. |
| 12:21.02 | JademusSreg | And it wouldn't be the first time I've been under NDA. |
| 12:23.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli_ (~asdaaaaa@WL-POOL1-ONT-045.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) |
| 12:32.32 | IskatuMesk | I'm sure jade knows more about the editor that anyone currently on staff at blizzard sans the source |
| 12:32.59 | IskatuMesk | you can quote that, too |
| 12:34.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 12:36.42 | JademusSreg | One can observe when different developers have been working on SC2 content, because they differ in methodology. Quite fun to notice. =D |
| 12:37.05 | IskatuMesk | and none of them really try to do anything with the game |
| 12:37.53 | pirate | except using different nomenclature |
| 12:38.01 | Merc | the physics effects from hots seems like a bunch of work |
| 12:38.15 | pirate | mmmmmm, physics |
| 12:39.43 | Merc | although, being able to spectate people playing ladder games would be the shit |
| 12:40.33 | Merc | and skin / voice / marketplace |
| 12:41.11 | Merc | it's probably on the horizon somewhere, it just takes forever for them to get there |
| 12:41.23 | pirate | pretty big pivot |
| 12:41.41 | Merc | what do you mean |
| 12:41.49 | pirate | on sc2s model |
| 12:42.47 | Merc | I mean, I have no idea what "pretty big pivot" is supposed to mean |
| 12:43.01 | pirate | sec, in heroes match |
| 12:43.28 | Merc | idioms are my weakness as ESL |
| 12:44.41 | pirate | stacraft switching from a single purchase to f2p marketplace model |
| 12:44.48 | IskatuMesk | physics is everywhere to be copy pasted |
| 12:44.57 | Merc | oh yeah I don't see that happening at all tbh |
| 12:45.22 | pirate | if it does |
| 12:45.22 | pirate | very slowly |
| 12:45.42 | Merc | by that time, the market wouldnt be there |
| 12:45.57 | Merc | unless they manage to turn it into a more varied platform |
| 12:46.20 | Merc | that ties in Sc2 with Heroes and possibly War4 |
| 12:46.26 | pirate | heroes yeah |
| 12:46.38 | pirate | seems like a good idea from their perspective |
| 12:46.58 | pirate | fuck I died |
| 12:47.03 | Merc | it's a justifiable expenditure |
| 12:47.10 | Merc | dat multitask |
| 12:47.35 | Merc | the Suits(tm) of blizzard probably approve of Heroes way more than they approve of SC2 |
| 12:48.00 | Merc | easier to get resources for that |
| 12:49.04 | pirate | no doubt |
| 12:49.42 | pirate | Im sure heroes will be massively more profitable than sc2 |
| 12:49.57 | Merc | if they pull it off |
| 12:50.08 | Merc | but then again this is Blizzard |
| 12:50.20 | Merc | Can't really ignore them |
| 12:50.56 | Merc | the glacier of the gaming world |
| 12:51.21 | Merc | moves slowly but makes a helluva impact |
| 12:51.23 | pirate | nice analogy |
| 12:51.38 | pirate | blizzard / ice / glacial |
| 12:51.46 | Merc | also, climate change |
| 12:51.50 | Merc | Blizzard aint what they used to be |
| 12:51.52 | Merc | but maybe I got older |
| 12:51.59 | Merc | more jaded |
| 12:52.23 | pirate | are you saying that cuz jade is probably like really old |
| 12:52.35 | pirate | puns all over the place |
| 12:52.43 | Merc | yeah I'm just full of wordplay today |
| 12:53.00 | pirate | purl, Merc++ |
| 12:53.13 | Merc | hey now let's not get too excited |
| 12:54.07 | pirate | pirate's always been easily excitable |
| 12:54.45 | pirate | it's all part of my youthful charm |
| 12:56.01 | Merc | yarr |
| 13:03.02 | grim001 | after 30 days of coding I am officially burnt out |
| 13:06.26 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 13:07.14 | Goa_ | After 30 days of not coding I am still burnt out |
| 13:07.51 | JademusSreg | Merc, it's a mistake to anthropomorphise the behavior of a company and ascribe to it human-like agency. |
| 13:09.12 | duckies | Playing diablo1 mod till 4AM with following 2h sleep till work hours has somehow rejuvinated my desire to code after not really doing anything for a damn long time.. go figure |
| 13:09.39 | duckies | also, 640x480 is glorious! |
| 13:09.58 | JademusSreg | Not that intelligence or consciousness doesn't emerge from the collective behavior of a system's its components (see: organic life), but rather any such intelligence would be so alien as to defy human-contentualized personification. |
| 13:10.25 | JademusSreg | *system's components *contextualized |
| 13:16.43 | IskatuMesk | jade must run some thesaurus script |
| 13:19.25 | pirate | jade must BE a thesaurus script |
| 13:19.51 | A1win | all queries sent to thesaurus is handwritten by him before sending back the results |
| 13:20.34 | Merc | What's human about a glacier |
| 13:21.10 | Merc | you're just jelly I made an awesome analogy |
| 13:23.13 | IskatuMesk | I like to think of them as an incredibly fat whale |
| 13:23.29 | IskatuMesk | just careening through the office sucking up interns and pedestrians |
| 13:23.47 | IskatuMesk | once it started rolling you can't stop it, and the destruction and loss of lawn insurance is immense |
| 13:25.33 | pirate | damn canadians |
| 13:25.36 | pirate | and their whale obsessions |
| 13:26.02 | IskatuMesk | well we are a country of land whales |
| 13:26.38 | Merc | as a Norwegian I'll steer away from the whale conversation |
| 13:26.41 | pirate | psssht |
| 13:26.45 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 13:26.50 | pirate | speak for yourself |
| 13:26.53 | pirate | I am shark |
| 13:27.19 | pirate | a highly caffeinated shark |
| 13:27.27 | IskatuMesk | is your population also a candidate for new stellar objects? |
| 13:27.36 | IskatuMesk | because we're hot on the heels of amerika |
| 13:27.54 | pirate | I dont have a population |
| 13:27.58 | pirate | owning people is illegal |
| 13:28.08 | IskatuMesk | you need to move to canada |
| 13:28.22 | pirate | I live in Canada |
| 13:28.31 | IskatuMesk | then where is your intern flock |
| 13:28.35 | IskatuMesk | did you eat them |
| 13:28.45 | pirate | that's what sharks do |
| 13:28.59 | IskatuMesk | do you know how many shekels it took to ship them over |
| 13:29.07 | IskatuMesk | like, 12 |
| 13:29.08 | IskatuMesk | god damnit |
| 13:29.16 | pirate | hey many why do you gotta bring race into it |
| 13:29.26 | IskatuMesk | you ate my interns |
| 13:30.19 | IskatuMesk | I'm native, I can bring all the races into it |
| 13:30.35 | IskatuMesk | they just won't be fit the stereotype of being drunk on a refuge like me |
| 13:32.52 | IskatuMesk | I only now just read that thing jade linked, it reads like a legal document |
| 13:34.06 | pirate | mmm, legal documents |
| 13:35.02 | pirate | kk, switching gears |
| 13:35.19 | IskatuMesk | how do you switch gears on a sailboat |
| 13:35.33 | pirate | steampunk sailboat |
| 13:35.36 | IskatuMesk | oic |
| 13:35.53 | pirate | before I embark on my next journey of making all of my of my projectiles launched by a "dropped off" dummy caster |
| 13:36.04 | IskatuMesk | why |
| 13:36.06 | pirate | anyone have arguments as to why I shouldnt do taht |
| 13:36.44 | pirate | the main reason is to solve some my current issues regarding projectiles and time scale manipulation |
| 13:37.05 | IskatuMesk | does time scale not work properly with projectiles |
| 13:37.10 | IskatuMesk | that could be bad for one of my bosses |
| 13:37.26 | pirate | since the effect tree is controlled by a persistent effect which can be set to inherit time scale from caster |
| 13:38.04 | pirate | but when time is frozen, the caster's time scale is 1.0, meanwhile a dummy caster's time scale would be at 0.01 and act as I'd like |
| 13:38.28 | pirate | (using the global time scale won't work because.... it wont) |
| 13:39.17 | pirate | also, dummy casters will make it easier for me to implement the "Execute" phase of my demi-turned base system |
| 13:40.05 | IskatuMesk | oh right, there's still cat food everywhere |
| 13:40.06 | IskatuMesk | brb |
| 13:40.10 | JademusSreg | Again, fixed point arithmetic. |
| 13:40.20 | IskatuMesk | I'll fix YOUR point |
| 13:40.35 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.45 | pirate | what's wrong with my arithmetic ? |
| 13:40.53 | JademusSreg | I'd hope so, my vertices are all over the place. |
| 13:41.58 | JademusSreg | Fixed point arithmetic, fixed type, ya know? Anything synchronous must use it. |
| 13:42.26 | pirate | sure? |
| 13:42.27 | JademusSreg | 0.01 isn't valid fixed type value. |
| 13:42.57 | pirate | doesnt the editor round to whatever is valid? |
| 13:43.29 | JademusSreg | Sometimes, but that's the the point, and globaltimescale is a property defined at runtime. |
| 13:43.36 | JademusSreg | *that's not the point, haha |
| 13:43.49 | pirate | what is the point? |
| 13:44.08 | pirate | if you say "fixed" so help me sea-gods |
| 13:44.27 | JademusSreg | *fix'd and also avoiding undefined behavior. |
| 13:44.49 | Merc | Neptune and Poseidon perking their ears |
| 13:44.53 | Merc | "Oh I home he means me" |
| 13:44.56 | JademusSreg | Double-also because arbitrary technical precision is its own reward. |
| 13:46.02 | JademusSreg | If I give you the bit widths, can I assume you'll determine the fixed type fractional value epsilon without me needing to tell you how? =D |
| 13:46.23 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 13:46.29 | IskatuMesk | I already know what it is |
| 13:46.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:46.30 | IskatuMesk | 69 |
| 13:46.40 | JademusSreg | Nope, but good terrible try. |
| 13:46.42 | pirate | something something divisible by 8 |
| 13:46.47 | Merc | Nice. |
| 13:46.54 | pirate | <not a computer scientist |
| 13:47.16 | pirate | <did really well in calculus until I stopped going to class because I was doing well and then I almost failed |
| 13:47.24 | JademusSreg | 19 whole bits, 12 fractional bits, 1 sign. |
| 13:48.20 | pirate | I dont understand these words in this context |
| 13:48.44 | JademusSreg | fixed type is 32-bit, just like int. |
| 13:50.14 | JademusSreg | 19 whole bits and 1 sign gives it a whole number range of -2^19 to 2^19-1, -524288 to 524287. |
| 13:50.55 | JademusSreg | Now go ahead and calculate the fractional bits and find the epsilon. |
| 13:50.58 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:51.50 | pirate | googles 'epsilon' in computing |
| 13:53.27 | IskatuMesk | googles "computing" |
| 13:58.08 | IskatuMesk | conclusion: I think jade may be a nerd |
| 13:58.31 | JademusSreg | Badass Nerd, yes. |
| 14:01.30 | JademusSreg | 12 fractional bits, 2^12=4096 possible configuratons, smallest non-zero value is 1/4096=0.000244140625, the fixed point epsilon. |
| 14:01.59 | JademusSreg | All fixed point values can be treated as multiples of this value. |
| 14:02.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@76.164.170.2) |
| 14:03.28 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli_ (~asdaaaaa@WL-POOL1-ONT-045.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) |
| 14:04.06 | JademusSreg | 0.01/0.000244140625=40.96, floored to 40, 40*0.000244140625=0.009765625. |
| 14:05.17 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/f9gc6 |
| 14:08.16 | JademusSreg | But time scale can be applied to missiles, one may recall the WoL BlizzCon preview showing a mothership slowing projectiles with time warp bubble, and I've made them nearly stop completely with my own implementation of the same mechanic. So you're just doing it wrong, no worries. |
| 14:09.57 | pirate | I do very vividly remember that video |
| 14:10.22 | pirate | must have watched that video dozens of times |
| 14:10.50 | pirate | which has frustrated me even more regarding my own lack of working implementation |
| 14:11.30 | pirate | so the moral of your fixed point story was that each step of my time scaling should by a factor of 8, and not of 10 |
| 14:11.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli_ (~asdaaaaa@WL-POOL1-ONT-045.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) |
| 14:12.33 | pirate | or to aim for total time scale factor of 0.01171875 |
| 14:14.28 | A1win | not of 8, but of 1/4096 |
| 14:15.02 | A1win | err, that doesn't even make sense |
| 14:15.54 | A1win | anyway, if the value is multiplied by 4096, the result should be an integer |
| 14:16.55 | pirate | right |
| 14:17.10 | JademusSreg | Probably isn't related to the time scale value in the least, just don't much enjoy the previous lack of precision. |
| 14:17.41 | JademusSreg | Can't say without more information. |
| 14:21.44 | grim001 | as long as we're talking about time, the sc2 engine runs at a discrete number of steps per second based on the game speed |
| 14:21.54 | grim001 | not sure if knowing those intervals would help in your calculations |
| 14:22.40 | pirate | hmm |
| 14:23.08 | JademusSreg | Yup ypu. |
| 14:23.31 | grim001 | those are: Slower, Slow, Normal, Fast, Faster -> 19.2, 25.6, 32, 38.4, 44.8 |
| 14:23.55 | pirate | changing the time scale modification to 0.015625 seems to have taken me a step in the right direction |
| 14:24.53 | IskatuMesk | oo, I got Gangplank |
| 14:24.57 | IskatuMesk | yarrr |
| 14:25.05 | IskatuMesk | aaand dodged |
| 14:25.19 | pirate | then we have complications with global time scale |
| 14:25.34 | JademusSreg | Oh, and depending on the mover, speed and time can dramatically affect impact position. |
| 14:26.02 | pirate | global time scale to 0.5 on top of the (proper) time scale behavior works fine |
| 14:26.10 | pirate | global time scale to 0.125 on top of behavior causes crash |
| 14:26.26 | JademusSreg | Errr |
| 14:26.30 | JademusSreg | Why would you use both. |
| 14:26.32 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:26.57 | pirate | maximum behavior based time scale change is "10.0" |
| 14:27.25 | pirate | well, range is "0.01" to "10.0" |
| 14:28.18 | pirate | so we can squeeze an extra decimal of time scaling by using global time scale on top |
| 14:28.23 | JademusSreg | Odd, since missiles don't have a movement speed, they have a missile mover, and global time scale applies to shit like movespeed and attackspeed, as is seen in the unit infocard.. |
| 14:30.50 | pirate | global time scale definitely changes missile move speed |
| 14:39.38 | JademusSreg | Makes sense, of course, just odd that the damn thing displays it in the command card, because it;s fucking hideous. |
| 14:39.48 | JademusSreg | *infocard |
| 14:42.51 | pirate | tinkering |
| 14:43.15 | pirate | it seems that missiles require a minimum time scale to work |
| 14:47.53 | pirate | and it appears to be 32/4096 |
| 14:48.05 | pirate | https://pastee.org/f9gc6 |
| 14:48.14 | pirate | which agrees with that |
| 14:54.31 | pirate | meanwhile regular units dont give a fuck |
| 14:54.43 | pirate | unless their lower bound is 2/4096 |
| 14:54.49 | grim001 | I just solved a problem that I was working on for 4 hours last night in 20 minutes |
| 14:54.57 | grim001 | crazy what a night of rest will do |
| 14:55.05 | pirate | bloody math |
| 14:55.54 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 14:56.18 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/f9gc6 |
| 14:56.25 | JademusSreg | Remember when I posted that? =D |
| 14:56.34 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 14:56.38 | pirate | tis where I got it from |
| 14:56.39 | JademusSreg | And then you did? |
| 14:56.43 | JademusSreg | And then I did again? |
| 14:56.48 | pirate | hahah |
| 14:56.50 | pirate | yeah.... |
| 14:56.52 | JademusSreg | That was great time. |
| 14:56.53 | pirate | good times |
| 14:57.14 | Arcane|Work | Is it nostalgia hour? |
| 14:57.16 | Arcane|Work | :D |
| 14:57.20 | Arcane|Work | Good morning |
| 14:57.49 | pirate | morn |
| 14:57.49 | JademusSreg | pir rediscovered my work on speed epsilons. |
| 14:57.58 | JademusSreg | In a manner of speaking. |
| 14:57.59 | Arcane|Work | Outstanding |
| 14:58.01 | pirate | well |
| 14:58.02 | pirate | yeah |
| 14:58.08 | pirate | in the field |
| 14:58.09 | pirate | so to speak |
| 14:58.12 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:59.14 | Arcane|Work | So JademusSreg, now that I've though more about natives vs what is shown in GUI, I've realized just how limited the GUI dialog control functions are. The natives let you set anything in dialog controls, don't they? |
| 14:59.19 | Arcane|Work | thought* |
| 15:00.06 | Arcane|Work | Since the natives let you specify the element name, and the element value, with separate natives for each type of value (fixed, int, text, string, bool) |
| 15:00.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 15:00.59 | JademusSreg | Hookups, at least. |
| 15:01.24 | JademusSreg | Bit of lexical ambiguity there. |
| 15:02.47 | Arcane|Work | In the GUI dialog control functions, the actualy code referecnes a set string/bool/etc property of element xyz. Right now, the dialog control GUI functions don't let you set many of the properties possible in a dialog control |
| 15:03.54 | Arcane|Work | And yes, hookups are pretty much the ultimate enabler, since you do not have to create per player instances of stuff, you can simply specify everything in the UI XML (adding it to default elements, or relaly just adding it to the GameUI element functionally), and then hooking up the dyanamic parts. |
| 15:05.09 | Arcane|Work | Which, from my pov, is the best design you can have, abstract away everything that is not dynamic. Triggers for me have always been for the truly dynamic aspects of a game (ie event driven, hence Events). |
| 15:05.31 | JademusSreg | Yep, for when shit must happen. |
| 15:06.35 | Arcane|Work | Also, now that I understand the Tactical AI triggers, I now understand the data stuff, since the data is the same. Frankly, if you look at things like the function that determines the mothership vortex target, that is basically the template upon which tactical AI in data (as well as target finds) rests. |
| 15:07.31 | Arcane|Work | Each step in target find runs the native version, and the one with Evaluate Command flag is the equilvalent of the equal/order set target trigger action |
| 15:08.10 | JademusSreg | Which is to say design and implement everything with most restricted scope as practical, tie it all together with most minimal code execution in the global scope. ♥ |
| 15:08.37 | Arcane|Work | As I see it, data = triggers. Data is static, triggers is dyanmic, but functionally they both have nearly the same functions. |
| 15:08.43 | JademusSreg | And yes, tactical AI data is just a data-driven means to the same ends. |
| 15:09.11 | Arcane|Work | Yes, but basically everything in data is a data driven version of triggers. User Data = records |
| 15:09.25 | Arcane|Work | The intances = arrays of records |
| 15:09.29 | Arcane|Work | instances* |
| 15:09.48 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 15:10.12 | Arcane|Work | Which explains 2 things. 1) How powerful the editor is and 2) How easy for you to blow your own foot off with it, since it will let you do anything either way. |
| 15:10.20 | JademusSreg | Recalls what I said to ya earlier. =D |
| 15:10.39 | Arcane|Work | vaguely remembers, but not really |
| 15:11.55 | JademusSreg | "Segregated application/development platform which executes data-driven finite-state programs defined through configuration of structures within a framework-oriented design promoting modularity through a recursive separation of concerns." |
| 15:12.17 | Arcane|Work | Haha, yes, exactly, so I've found the less wordy version of that :D |
| 15:13.23 | JademusSreg | "This thing is that thing but with different stuff." |
| 15:14.22 | JademusSreg | Oh, and I was compelled to explain the fized type stuff, since pir had trouble with precision. =D |
| 15:14.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:14.38 | Arcane|Work | But this duality would suggest one should design something in triggers, then reduce it to data, if the data solution is not obvious |
| 15:16.45 | grim001 | So I got an interactive demo of my lighting system running on a laptop. That means I can create a demo version for distribution in a bit. |
| 15:24.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 15:24.50 | JademusSreg | Yay/ |
| 15:25.34 | Bounty | peow |
| 15:26.53 | JademusSreg | Arc, correction: one should design something in the abstract, prototype it in whatever works, then refine it, ideally in data. =D |
| 15:29.10 | IskatuMesk | bum butter |
| 15:29.26 | IskatuMesk | jade last night I added a text file to the texture directory that sort of lines out some graphics-related plans |
| 15:29.35 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of my desire to make data-based logic gates. |
| 15:29.37 | IskatuMesk | in case you are interested |
| 15:29.47 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 15:30.19 | JademusSreg | Once I'm done with this srs blzns, I'll be available again. |
| 15:30.39 | IskatuMesk | I'm going to active hunt for zerg building replacements when I go through Tera objects |
| 15:30.44 | IskatuMesk | as I think most of them are just unrecoverable |
| 15:31.08 | IskatuMesk | I'm sure some game I could rip had good candidates for replacements, but I can't remember which |
| 15:35.48 | JademusSreg | Mesk, perhaps this is RTS would be of suitable flavour: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/07/07/meridian-new-world-demo/ |
| 15:37.17 | IskatuMesk | is it a custom engine? |
| 15:37.20 | IskatuMesk | or something like unreal |
| 15:37.27 | IskatuMesk | if it's the former, the chances of being rippable are quite low |
| 15:38.09 | JademusSreg | I meant in the sense it is apparently a classic-style build-destroy RTS. |
| 15:39.32 | IskatuMesk | dunno |
| 15:39.39 | IskatuMesk | looks pretty dated so far, guess we'll see how it turns out |
| 15:40.08 | IskatuMesk | why does everyone who makes a pre-render video have to put lense flares on literally everything? |
| 15:40.13 | IskatuMesk | are cameras in the future that shitty? |
| 15:41.51 | IskatuMesk | I don't see why people think a single guy with some freelancers can't make that |
| 15:44.25 | JademusSreg | Haha, humans, amirite? |
| 15:45.24 | IskatuMesk | like... it's a pre-alpha... all of the units are using the exact same stretched plane for their weapons with a hue added to it for different units |
| 15:45.29 | IskatuMesk | silly casual websites |
| 15:54.05 | IskatuMesk | I guess in a few days I may know if we have somewhere to live or if it's bumhood |
| 15:54.55 | IskatuMesk | though the place we're looking into is crazy goddamn expensive, like $700 more than here. that's just all there is available (maybe). so, food is gonna be scarce |
| 15:55.21 | IskatuMesk | so if I end up disappearing for a prolonged period of time you know why |
| 15:55.58 | Merc | http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigmil/potato/ |
| 15:56.08 | pirate | lrn2squat http://mashable.com/2012/05/27/aol-squatter/ |
| 15:56.46 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 15:56.57 | IskatuMesk | nowhere to squat here, all of the burned down buildings and stuff are controlled by gangs |
| 15:58.06 | IskatuMesk | I wish I could just sail the high seas |
| 15:58.11 | IskatuMesk | plunder all the fresh booty |
| 15:58.18 | pirate | tis a good life |
| 15:58.53 | JademusSreg | Sounds like me on my previous adventures, actually. |
| 15:59.19 | pirate | did you get your flippy floppies? |
| 15:59.34 | IskatuMesk | if we get the place it would be kind of nice in other ways, I'd have a basement I could set up more hardware in (like dual monitors) |
| 15:59.39 | IskatuMesk | but we probably wouldn't be there very long |
| 15:59.43 | JademusSreg | While you were straight flippin copies? |
| 16:00.58 | IskatuMesk | I've still got a midi keyboard lying around, too. Just no room for it. I wonder if it's ever worth attempting music again.. |
| 16:01.26 | IskatuMesk | not sure if jade even remembers those years. I think they were after his time |
| 16:01.36 | JademusSreg | I do recall The Midi Keyboard. |
| 16:01.52 | JademusSreg | Soon after you got it. |
| 16:01.59 | IskatuMesk | I wasn't posting on CC at that time I don't think, and I don't remember seeing you elsewhere |
| 16:02.21 | JademusSreg | Either before or after, but I recall the conversation. |
| 16:02.30 | IskatuMesk | we had conversations? |
| 16:02.43 | IskatuMesk | you must remember a hell of a lot more than I do |
| 16:02.45 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I recall there was a conversatuion involving the midi keyboard and some stuff you had made with it. |
| 16:03.04 | IskatuMesk | https://soundcloud.com/iskatumesk/toa-det |
| 16:03.10 | JademusSreg | This was back when people still used a dozen shitty messengers. |
| 16:03.22 | IskatuMesk | ... I still use those messengers... :3 |
| 16:03.37 | JademusSreg | See? =D |
| 16:03.41 | IskatuMesk | aim is still far and beyond my most used form of communication |
| 16:05.04 | JademusSreg | My memory is altogether pretty awful, at least in the ways most people value episodic memory. |
| 16:05.19 | IskatuMesk | all I remember is not being able to finish projects |
| 16:05.39 | IskatuMesk | because that was the time my disabilities were really gaining strength, and I still didn't understand what was happening |
| 16:06.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, no surprise some memories might get lost in the commotion. |
| 16:07.32 | IskatuMesk | took me a long time to realize public interaction was a really bad thing, fucked up quite a bit before I smartened up |
| 16:08.16 | IskatuMesk | it's good you don't remember |
| 16:08.17 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 16:09.48 | IskatuMesk | Magic was in codemasters for a few years |
| 16:09.58 | IskatuMesk | if you remember him, that is |
| 16:10.11 | Bounty | I can't remember the last 12 hours lol |
| 16:10.15 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 16:10.22 | IskatuMesk | I get that often too bounty haha |
| 16:10.25 | IskatuMesk | the days just slip by |
| 16:10.32 | Bounty | >.< |
| 16:12.04 | Goa_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j67FlSknHB8 |
| 16:21.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tomura (~Tomura@p5B030C83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:53.28 | Teratron | what the hell did i just clicked ? |
| 16:53.34 | Teratron | eww |
| 16:54.17 | Teratron | might be funny but not interested into entertainment anyway |
| 16:55.31 | Bounty | oh dear, blood in digestive track lol |
| 16:56.22 | Bounty | might be time for a drinking hiatus |
| 17:10.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@76.164.170.2) |
| 17:12.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 17:30.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster purl (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 17:30.12 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 17:30.52 | Merc | replace alcohol with fiber |
| 17:31.30 | Bounty | yeah |
| 17:31.37 | Bounty | read up on it >.< |
| 17:32.20 | Bounty | Have to go grocery shopping soon anyways |
| 17:32.28 | Merc | broccoli |
| 17:32.37 | Merc | lots and lots of delicious broccoli |
| 17:32.55 | Bounty | nom nom |
| 17:51.13 | IskatuMesk | replace * with coffee |
| 17:59.44 | pirate | mmmm |
| 17:59.46 | pirate | coffee |
| 18:06.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Raziel (~Raziel@cpc16-broo8-2-0-cust158.14-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:10.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:c976:970d:a270:7b68) |
| 18:34.27 | IskatuMesk | weird. cutscene editor saying some textures don't exist when the art tools should definitely be dumping them there... hmm |
| 19:10.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-109-193-231-221.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 19:14.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25 (5b2be127@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.43.225.39) |
| 19:14.44 | mille25 | hi |
| 19:19.31 | Arcane|Work | hey mille25 |
| 19:20.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster thord (6c37dc98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.55.220.152) |
| 19:21.05 | thord | wassup dudes and dudettes |
| 19:24.08 | thord | Ahli JademusSreg wassup |
| 19:24.59 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:25.06 | JademusSreg | Ah, hi thar. |
| 19:25.36 | thord | havent checked sc2 maps in a while |
| 19:25.44 | thord | what's happened in the last year or so? |
| 19:25.48 | thord | any big arcade developments? |
| 19:26.09 | thord | whatever happened to "premium" maps? |
| 19:26.20 | JademusSreg | Hm, dumped a bunch of herostorm data, available on the forums. |
| 19:27.39 | JademusSreg | Since Herostorm is a fork of the SC2 source with some new features, new file archive system and a different backend, new Herostorm stuff means potentially new SC2 stuff. |
| 19:28.34 | IskatuMesk | jade can you rip textures? |
| 19:28.53 | JademusSreg | From what? |
| 19:28.59 | IskatuMesk | heroes |
| 19:29.18 | JademusSreg | I have several thousand textures and hundreds of models, so yeah. |
| 19:29.37 | IskatuMesk | bluzzard has had a fairly decent track record with sc2 particle textures, I'd be interested in seeing if heroes continues the trend |
| 19:29.46 | IskatuMesk | might be something useful for me |
| 19:30.06 | JademusSreg | I'll archive the m3 and dds junk and send you a link. |
| 19:30.13 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 19:30.14 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 19:30.47 | IskatuMesk | if heroes is a full fork of sc2 I don't know if you will see similar updates to sc2 |
| 19:30.50 | thord | ooo script obfuscation in-built? |
| 19:30.52 | thord | that's neew |
| 19:30.58 | thord | does it break stuff tho |
| 19:31.01 | IskatuMesk | the m3 formats are different, so they'd need to re-release the art tools |
| 19:31.24 | JademusSreg | Depends on the configuration; it can break links to custom script shit. |
| 19:32.25 | thord | so something like starcode |
| 19:32.29 | IskatuMesk | it took *forever* to fix some minor texture issues on annayus' transform model, but now I'm ready to do the easier parts |
| 19:32.30 | thord | library |
| 19:32.59 | JademusSreg | Busy atm, I'll be more talkative once I'm done with this. |
| 19:33.16 | IskatuMesk | I'll this YOUR talkative |
| 19:33.31 | thord | how does it obfuscate tho? what does the resulting script look like? |
| 19:33.56 | mille25 | thord: it just renames variables, functions and such, making it harder to read. |
| 19:34.02 | mille25 | also shorter in most cases. |
| 19:34.20 | thord | but native functions are still the same tho right? |
| 19:34.27 | thord | like loadbankstring or whatever it was |
| 19:34.41 | JademusSreg | (But everything compiles to either ops, standard libs calls, or natives, so it's pretty silly.) |
| 19:35.26 | mille25 | also the feature is pretty much unusable for any bigger project because one line of custom script may already break it. the problem is that the obfuscation happens by using gui data and is NOT based on the .galaxy file itself. |
| 19:35.42 | thord | haha that's terrible |
| 19:36.00 | thord | guess i'll stick w/ my own obfuscator cuz this does nothing different cept break custom script |
| 19:37.16 | thord | when was the last time blizz was here? |
| 19:37.35 | mille25 | feels months ago. :D |
| 19:37.38 | JademusSreg | Ask purl. =D |
| 19:37.50 | mille25 | blizzard is very busy at the moment |
| 19:37.51 | thord | dam, did they give up on the arcade? |
| 19:37.58 | mille25 | they have alot of projects going |
| 19:38.02 | thord | like |
| 19:38.18 | thord | i havent payed attention to anything blizzard in a while |
| 19:38.20 | mille25 | heroes, lotv, diablo expansion, wow expansion |
| 19:38.35 | mille25 | they are also transitioning to a new file system and the battle.net launcher |
| 19:38.52 | mille25 | + working on a "secret" new mmo like project |
| 19:39.11 | thord | another diablo and wow expansion? |
| 19:39.38 | IskatuMesk | they'll keep making 'em so long as they keep bringing the bank, so sure |
| 19:39.53 | IskatuMesk | the wow expansion is in alpha was it? or beta now? |
| 19:40.04 | mille25 | recently entered beta |
| 19:40.35 | IskatuMesk | I am sure most of their staff is focused on that since they are revising a bunch of old assets |
| 19:44.00 | thord | so any major development in map/bank security? |
| 19:44.03 | thord | or the same old? |
| 19:44.07 | mille25 | 0 |
| 19:44.27 | mille25 | maybe with their new file system. |
| 19:44.36 | thord | what is this new file system |
| 19:44.46 | mille25 | google blizzard CASC |
| 19:46.42 | thord | so besides performance increases, what else could it do? |
| 19:47.04 | mille25 | [21:44] <mille25> google blizzard CASC |
| 19:47.05 | mille25 | :D |
| 19:48.43 | thord | what'r the implications for mappin |
| 19:49.08 | mille25 | nobody knows. |
| 19:49.13 | mille25 | can just make guesses |
| 19:49.28 | thord | what is your guess? :) |
| 19:49.48 | mille25 | since CASC is the replacement for MPQ and maps use MPQ right now its very likely that map file structure will change |
| 19:50.17 | mille25 | which could mean faster editor, more security or a complete fuckup. |
| 19:51.09 | mille25 | it is also possible that nothing changes at all because it would be to complex to do while maintaining backwards compatibility to old maps |
| 19:51.15 | thord | it could totally be a complete fuckup |
| 19:51.22 | mille25 | absolutely. :D |
| 19:51.29 | thord | damn |
| 19:51.53 | mille25 | so far only the wow addon beta and heroes of the storm are using CASC to my knowledge |
| 19:52.05 | IskatuMesk | blizzard likes the colors green and purple waaay too much for their own health |
| 19:52.17 | mille25 | since heroes and sc2 share the same engine it is likely that sc2 will be migrated to CASC, too. |
| 19:56.05 | IskatuMesk | also I can't believe I am starting to verge on two decades of doing starcraft shit |
| 19:56.07 | IskatuMesk | that is ridiculous |
| 19:57.06 | thord | is popularity still based on the most popular mode? |
| 20:14.38 | Teratron | but SC2 won't use CASC right ? |
| 20:20.30 | Arcane|Work | So I'm backish |
| 20:24.03 | Arcane|Work | Teratron: SC2 will use SC2, probably with 2.2 patch. Blizzard is probably taking the feedback/statistics of Storm to refine stuff before doing the transistion |
| 20:24.30 | thord | sc2 will def use sc2 for sure |
| 20:24.37 | Arcane|Work | lol |
| 20:24.43 | Arcane|Work | Yes, anyhow, CASC* |
| 20:25.08 | mille25 | *nobody knows. :D |
| 20:26.01 | thord | cept a certain someone in here that's secretly working for blizz |
| 20:26.08 | Arcane|Work | True, but it is only logical for them to transition all games over to the new format. They've used MPQ for every game for he last 20 years |
| 20:26.46 | Arcane|Work | In hindsight, I would say a certain level of the performances issues with the editor and their games can be traced to the old MPQ format. |
| 20:26.53 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Torhal] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.36 | thord | i actually havent used the sc2 editor with the new comp i built yet |
| 20:30.43 | thord | i remember assets took forever to load up |
| 20:30.53 | thord | but my new comp has an SSD, im hoping it makes loading more bearable |
| 20:33.45 | Arcane|Work | It should be fine |
| 20:35.18 | thord | i'm still mind-blown that starcraft 2 is almost 4 years old now |
| 20:36.06 | thord | 4 years! That's the length of my entire college experience! |
| 20:36.15 | Arcane|Work | Mmhm |
| 20:36.33 | IskatuMesk | haha |
| 20:36.38 | thord | i remember sc2's first trailer back in 2007 |
| 20:36.41 | thord | so much hype |
| 20:36.51 | thord | and then it was finally out in 2010 |
| 20:36.54 | thord | so much to prove |
| 20:36.56 | IskatuMesk | I wasted 4 years in sins of a solar empire and accomplished nothing |
| 20:37.04 | IskatuMesk | good times |
| 20:37.35 | thord | to be fair, i think i did nothin in college |
| 20:37.40 | thord | nothing worthwhile anyway |
| 20:37.51 | IskatuMesk | I came back about once a year to sc2 to assess a project and deemed it impossible and went back |
| 20:38.40 | IskatuMesk | what is hard to believe is that it has been 5 years since I last worked on a brood war project |
| 20:38.42 | IskatuMesk | now that is crazy |
| 20:38.50 | Arcane|Work | In any case, in terms of map/arcade stuff. Arcade has it's own site, contest just finished. As for me, learning AI, now have decent AI. Working on a sequel of first map I helped with (NOTD). |
| 20:38.55 | thord | so clear to say sc2 isn't close to the level of Brood War? or has sc2's peak yet to come? |
| 20:39.10 | IskatuMesk | in terms of custom content? |
| 20:39.21 | thord | in terms of overall |
| 20:39.26 | thord | esports level |
| 20:39.27 | IskatuMesk | I think sc2 has a lot of potential but has long past its peak in terms of major projects |
| 20:39.39 | IskatuMesk | but it took many years after bw's equivalent "death" for major advancements in modding to happen |
| 20:39.47 | Arcane|Work | SC2, no idea, but the editor will be used for Storm. |
| 20:39.47 | IskatuMesk | I haven't followed esports |
| 20:40.02 | thord | actually sc2 is already 4 years old |
| 20:40.05 | IskatuMesk | but from what I ahve heard it isn't doing too well - lotv will probably boost it up then it'll drop behind the shadow of their f2p games |
| 20:40.14 | thord | who am kidding, there was a beta in feb 2010! |
| 20:40.24 | thord | and i published my first map in april 2010 |
| 20:40.44 | thord | actually rose to #1 for a lil bit |
| 20:41.01 | thord | was pretty fun seeing the whole custom map scene starting up, seeing all that potential and stuff |
| 20:41.06 | Arcane|Work | Storm is probably will be the major place to do mapmaking, since it is the main thing for that game. |
| 20:41.22 | IskatuMesk | that's the aos right? |
| 20:41.28 | IskatuMesk | I didn't think they'd ship the editor with it |
| 20:41.40 | Arcane|Work | Ermm... yes they will |
| 20:41.46 | IskatuMesk | interesting |
| 20:41.48 | thord | what editor |
| 20:41.54 | IskatuMesk | that makes me wonder if its changes will actually come to sc2, then |
| 20:41.55 | Arcane|Work | Its the same editor |
| 20:42.07 | IskatuMesk | else you're going to have a split userbase |
| 20:42.14 | Arcane|Work | Storm = SC2, same engine, tweaked |
| 20:42.15 | IskatuMesk | two very similar platforms but still different |
| 20:42.17 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 20:42.19 | IskatuMesk | I know that |
| 20:42.32 | Arcane|Work | And for storm, the defining part of the gameplay is the custom maps |
| 20:42.36 | IskatuMesk | but if they both come with near-identical or identical editors, it will probably kill sc2 |
| 20:42.53 | IskatuMesk | heroes is f2p right? |
| 20:42.58 | Arcane|Work | There is already a button thing for custom games, just grayed out atm. |
| 20:42.58 | Arcane|Work | Yes |
| 20:43.01 | thord | wait is it a separate editor but the same editor? im confused |
| 20:43.03 | IskatuMesk | interesting |
| 20:43.11 | IskatuMesk | well it's a updated version of sc2 |
| 20:43.20 | IskatuMesk | but not by truly colossal amounts |
| 20:43.22 | Arcane|Work | thord: Heroes of the Storm was developed using an updated version of the sc2 engine and editor |
| 20:43.46 | Arcane|Work | I dunno, the natives for hero talent trees and inventory stuff is qutie nice |
| 20:43.58 | IskatuMesk | all of that can be done in sc2 though, can't it? |
| 20:44.19 | Arcane|Work | Not via natives, no, these are new natives. I did a diff against current sc2 natives, a fair number added. |
| 20:44.36 | mille25 | most is pretty hots specific though |
| 20:44.39 | IskatuMesk | well the natives would be different but I presume there are new user made systems |
| 20:44.42 | mille25 | inShrub and shit :D |
| 20:44.46 | thord | does that mean sc2 will eventually be updated w/ storm's stuff? |
| 20:44.48 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 20:44.52 | mille25 | thord: yes. |
| 20:44.53 | Arcane|Work | thord: we believe so |
| 20:44.56 | IskatuMesk | I would assume so |
| 20:45.00 | IskatuMesk | maybe with lotv |
| 20:45.08 | IskatuMesk | or the 1.5 equivalent |
| 20:45.12 | mille25 | there are new natives which are globally useful, but others seem to be aimed at hots directly. |
| 20:45.21 | IskatuMesk | if it deletes my project again you have no idea how pissed I will be |
| 20:45.23 | Arcane|Work | mille25: inShrub is something that can be used in many places, concealed areas, separate zones, etc. |
| 20:45.36 | thord | there a list of these natives? |
| 20:45.42 | Arcane|Work | JademusSreg has it |
| 20:45.53 | mille25 | its on mapster, too. |
| 20:46.04 | Arcane|Work | Ahh yes, he did a dump of all storm data |
| 20:46.14 | Arcane|Work | all the libs they developped plus natives |
| 20:46.28 | Arcane|Work | Let me go put together a diff again |
| 20:48.40 | Arcane|Work | One interesting thing we found was 2 new native sections. One allows one to somehow query the effect history of a unit. How or in what manner we don't know, but it was enough to warrent a new section. Also there is thing that allows Lua Script execution possibly (dynamic UI modification, don't know really) |
| 20:49.05 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 20:49.13 | IskatuMesk | they may go the route of a lua driven ui like WoW |
| 20:49.43 | IskatuMesk | that would open up a big can of dicks for any hopes of competitive play in the game though |
| 20:50.06 | IskatuMesk | unless it's really restricted |
| 20:50.09 | thord | worms and plastic minnows |
| 20:54.31 | thord | is it possible to change terrain pallete w/ triggers |
| 20:54.49 | Goa_ | OMG https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad |
| 20:54.58 | thord | cool |
| 20:57.01 | Arcane|Work | w |
| 20:57.02 | Arcane|Work | t |
| 20:57.03 | Arcane|Work | f |
| 20:59.21 | Goa_ | some news outlet picked the "story" up since a few hours ago and then it was only 10k$ |
| 20:59.41 | Goa_ | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/07/potato-salad-kickstarter_n_5563290.html |
| 21:00.07 | Goa_ | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/07/kickstarter-potato-salad-campaign |
| 21:40.34 | IskatuMesk | lol... instead of waiting the remaining 2 days for our appointment to see that house, they just rented it out to someone else instead. |
| 21:40.57 | IskatuMesk | gotta love this country |
| 21:44.53 | Teratron | what's better in casc ? |
| 21:45.18 | Teratron | just briefly as im going afk again |
| 21:57.44 | Arcane|Work | CASC: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13645405 |
| 22:01.26 | pirate | gods be cursed |
| 22:02.06 | pirate | I keep trying heroes. > ENTER in my browser to check reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm |
| 22:02.41 | pirate | but once I clicked on heroes.reddit.com (NBC show from 2006) |
| 22:02.57 | pirate | and now it always takes me to r/heroes :( |
| 22:06.18 | Arcane|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.29 | pirate | (I am so mad that worked) |
| 22:07.01 | Arcane|Work | Welp, at this point, I think people are throwing money at it for the same reason most art/entertainment gets money: because people can |
| 22:07.13 | pirate | because it's novel |
| 22:07.27 | Arcane|Work | That's one reason, some people might actually want a potato salad |
| 22:08.24 | pirate | the only person getting potato salad is the guy who launched it |
| 22:10.17 | Arcane|Work | Anyhow, on more mapping related stuff, posted the new natives in current Storm build. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/68041-herostorm-info-dump/?post=5 |
| 22:10.46 | Arcane|Work | Quite a few nice things in there, I'll probably do a write up on them later. |
| 22:12.13 | pirate | anim stuff interesting |
| 22:17.12 | Arcane|Work | Dialog Stuff is also intersting, since it indicates one can create countdowns, unit status labels and most of all, customized command cards. |
| 22:17.47 | Arcane|Work | Dialog Set property as Unit Group is also intersting, could update many units at once for attached dialogs. |
| 22:18.33 | Arcane|Work | But effect history... Not sure what it means, but perfect world, it is a history of all effects that a unit ha been subjected too. So you could track if a unit had been hit by a specifc effect. |
| 22:19.34 | Arcane|Work | Also, campaign support seems to be coming, GameMapPath would suggest it returns the path to the map file, which you would need for SetNextMissionMap and the like. |
| 22:20.13 | Arcane|Work | It appears Talents and Pings will become their own data types in the data editor. |
| 22:20.37 | Arcane|Work | Possibly talents will become linked to either units or veterrancy or maybe learn abilties are getting reworked? |
| 22:21.24 | Arcane|Work | The trigger changes are good, you can now have effectively your own events + parameters |
| 22:22.04 | IskatuMesk | wait, is there not a setnextmission yet? |
| 22:22.18 | Arcane|Work | There has always been, but it only worked locally |
| 22:22.23 | IskatuMesk | oh |
| 22:22.24 | IskatuMesk | good enough |
| 22:22.30 | Arcane|Work | The filesystem path for it was hardcoded |
| 22:22.48 | Arcane|Work | It always assumed the next map was in the Starcraft II/Maps directory, and thus never worked on B.net |
| 22:22.55 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 22:23.00 | IskatuMesk | that'd be sufficient for most campaigns I think |
| 22:23.09 | IskatuMesk | since campaigns will always be too big for b.ent |
| 22:23.21 | Arcane|Work | But with GameMapPath, there appears to be a way to get the map path. |
| 22:23.40 | IskatuMesk | what would be nice is if b.ent would take local files and match those |
| 22:23.44 | IskatuMesk | as opposed to using servers |
| 22:23.51 | IskatuMesk | so you can have big local files and play online with them |
| 22:23.58 | IskatuMesk | perhaps using some checksum system a la supcom/sins |
| 22:24.09 | Arcane|Work | Also, Hotkeys upgraded considerably, can now control which hotkeys can be used, change hotkey profiles and directly detect hotkey presses. |
| 22:51.33 | grim001 | I feel recovered now |
| 23:19.18 | Bounty | pow |
| 23:23.08 | Torhal | Bounty: pow wow? |
| 23:23.18 | Bounty | perhaps |
| 23:23.23 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 23:35.34 | Teratron | this http://turntherightcorner.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/super-smash-bros-2014-wii-u-pow-block-item.jpg?w=1024 |
