| 00:01.41 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 00:02.16 | JademusSreg | Hallo Mesk. |
| 00:02.54 | JademusSreg | "butter master joined your shared folder "IskatuSreg Jademesk"!" Haha, great name. |
| 00:03.10 | JademusSreg | Got the email 6 days ago, but only now checked it. |
| 00:03.18 | JademusSreg | Would that be hks? |
| 00:06.09 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 00:06.35 | IskatuMesk | I don't know |
| 00:06.37 | IskatuMesk | I never invited anyone |
| 00:07.00 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 00:07.07 | IskatuMesk | he isn't here to ask him |
| 00:07.34 | IskatuMesk | my computer name is butter |
| 00:07.37 | IskatuMesk | sure it isn't me? |
| 00:08.03 | IskatuMesk | ah yhesw |
| 00:08.05 | IskatuMesk | it's me |
| 00:08.10 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 00:10.25 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 00:10.29 | MoonEater | i hate california |
| 00:10.30 | JademusSreg | Noticed the email matched at the exact same time you said it, interrupted my Tech-Beast transformation. |
| 00:10.49 | MoonEater | some punks accedently set a field on fire acouple hours ago |
| 00:10.57 | MoonEater | and the forth of july celebration is cancled |
| 00:11.00 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 00:11.21 | MoonEater | like we dont even get good firewords |
| 00:11.30 | MoonEater | SPARKLERS r 10$ a box |
| 00:11.35 | JademusSreg | California: Come for any number of reasons, but stay for the disasters. |
| 00:11.37 | MoonEater | they tax it and outlaw everythging |
| 00:11.53 | MoonEater | the neighboring city |
| 00:11.59 | MoonEater | has a fireworks ban this year |
| 00:12.01 | MoonEater | again |
| 00:13.53 | JademusSreg | Produce some fireworks from common materials, just to prove a point. |
| 00:14.36 | JademusSreg | While there's a bit of overlap with explosives manufacture, you won't get obliterated by the FBI or ATF. Probably. |
| 00:14.38 | JademusSreg | Maybe. |
| 00:15.51 | MoonEater | cant |
| 00:15.53 | MoonEater | illegal |
| 00:16.15 | MoonEater | they really crazy here about safty |
| 00:32.21 | MoonEater | so ya i keep noticing in gui |
| 00:32.43 | MoonEater | that u push enough variables around in a single trigger the trigger will break down |
| 01:03.43 | Teratron | u hate california mooneater ? |
| 01:04.05 | Teratron | draught, cesium 137, zombies, hollywood ... ? |
| 01:04.38 | Teratron | mythbusters ? |
| 01:13.17 | ArcanePariah | lol JademusSreg, yes he did. |
| 01:14.04 | ArcanePariah | Included the Computer.Galaxy AI stuff, lots of useful functions there. Apparently it gets loaded at run time if you define/use it for an computer controlled player, but oddly can't use it in code. |
| 01:14.46 | Teratron | last year park sign http://www.storyleak.com/activist-4th-amendment-orwellian-city-signs-banning-4th-of-july/ |
| 01:15.16 | IskatuMesk | hollywood is pretty shit gotta say |
| 01:42.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (175b8f76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.91.143.118) |
| 01:43.12 | pirate | an espresso machine arrived in the mail today |
| 01:43.30 | pirate | it was a late christmas gift |
| 01:43.42 | pirate | so I had a coffeeocalypse |
| 01:44.14 | pirate | can anyone spot the differences between now and last night's: https://pastee.org/9egqg |
| 01:45.20 | ArcanePariah | Welp... looks like code to me |
| 01:46.35 | pirate | you're not wrong |
| 01:46.57 | ArcanePariah | :D. That was a great line in that movie |
| 01:47.31 | ArcanePariah | Just spent last 3 hours just recreating mothership ai think function |
| 01:47.49 | pirate | why? |
| 01:48.09 | pirate | and what does ai coding look like? I've never gotten into it. |
| 01:48.46 | MoonEater | Name is still useless |
| 01:48.48 | ArcanePariah | 1) To make sure I understand how it works. |
| 01:48.49 | MoonEater | gg |
| 01:49.32 | ArcanePariah | 2) AI coding is pretty much the same as normal coding, the only thing is that the parameters are predefined and also, a number of functions are not in natives.galaxy, or in GUI, that you will want. |
| 01:49.44 | ArcanePariah | Simple things like OrderSetTargetPoint |
| 01:50.02 | MoonEater | Arcane, r u saying that the code is a ai? |
| 01:50.05 | pirate | yeah but I still want to see sample code :D |
| 01:50.15 | ArcanePariah | Which is kind of useful to tell the AI where the hell to actually cast anything :d |
| 01:50.23 | ArcanePariah | kk one moment for me to paste. |
| 01:50.27 | pirate | tanks |
| 01:50.31 | MoonEater | so |
| 01:50.32 | MoonEater | pirate |
| 01:50.35 | MoonEater | name still worthless |
| 01:50.42 | MoonEater | coffee didnt help much |
| 01:50.43 | pirate | you're also not wrong |
| 01:50.52 | MoonEater | :P |
| 01:50.58 | pirate | except for the coffee bit |
| 01:51.14 | pirate | @ arcane, those two functions are half of the equation of this command queue bar: http://i.imgur.com/DKbAZLZ.gif |
| 01:51.18 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/p4s75 |
| 01:51.22 | pirate | except that was made a few days ago |
| 01:51.46 | pirate | and is glued together with fuzzy imaginary magic number |
| 01:52.03 | ArcanePariah | First function is the actual think function, that the unit is running all the time. |
| 01:52.14 | ArcanePariah | 2nd one is called to determine if and where Vortex should be cast |
| 01:53.36 | MoonEater | ya |
| 01:53.38 | MoonEater | but |
| 01:53.45 | MoonEater | it will either cast or not cast |
| 01:53.47 | MoonEater | void |
| 01:53.50 | MoonEater | thats all it does |
| 01:53.55 | MoonEater | is decide to cast void or not? |
| 01:54.09 | pirate | oh, I had no idea there were so many native AI functions |
| 01:54.17 | MoonEater | take it back |
| 01:54.18 | ArcanePariah | They are not natives |
| 01:54.19 | pirate | (or any for that matter) |
| 01:54.20 | pirate | er |
| 01:54.29 | ArcanePariah | But yes, there is a fuckton of useful ones Blizzard had |
| 01:54.47 | ArcanePariah | Most are catalog lookups or other such wrappers |
| 01:54.53 | pirate | aye |
| 01:55.28 | ArcanePariah | I'll bbl, can explain more then while I debug |
| 01:55.32 | pirate | aight |
| 01:56.03 | pirate | my new and improved command queue bar is now pixel perfect |
| 01:56.08 | pirate | which pleases me greatly |
| 01:56.29 | pirate | standardized all that shit in xml |
| 01:58.08 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:58.31 | JademusSreg | Did I miss anything of import? |
| 01:59.20 | MoonEater | ya |
| 01:59.27 | MoonEater | teratron has questions for u |
| 01:59.31 | MoonEater | u should answer those |
| 01:59.51 | JademusSreg | 1) Skeptical. 2) Not of import. |
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| 02:04.41 | pirate | I did away with my magic numbers |
| 02:05.24 | JademusSreg | Sincerely, I'd be willing to reverse the forum ip-ban if he'd chill out and not go Nutella Mode consistently for a solid month. But I'm skeptical that would, er, happen and stick. |
| 02:05.26 | pirate | and got an espresso machine |
| 02:05.37 | pirate | now youre all caught up |
| 02:05.39 | JademusSreg | Woo. Love espresso in source code. |
| 02:06.53 | Ahli | who got banned? |
| 02:07.05 | JademusSreg | Stew, a looong time ago. |
| 02:08.22 | MoonEater | wonder were tainted wisp has been lately |
| 02:08.31 | MoonEater | ~seen taintedwisp |
| 02:08.31 | purl | taintedwisp <4bb55b32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.91.50> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 430d 29m 38s ago, saying: ' What a coincidence, I have a new proposal for the gov't where we brutally beat and kill all faggots :)'. |
| 02:08.55 | JademusSreg | Operating Obscene, reappears occassionally to the delight and celebration of all. |
| 02:08.56 | Ahli | ~seen obscene |
| 02:08.56 | purl | obscene <ae6f72ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.111.114.234> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 14d 11h 37m 17s ago, saying: 'what grim does is shake the camera REALLY FAST'. |
| 02:09.34 | MoonEater | he still making shit? |
| 02:11.07 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 02:11.17 | JademusSreg | Did he submit to the contest? |
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| 02:13.16 | Bounty | Peow |
| 02:13.17 | ArcanePariah | So I'm back |
| 02:13.27 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 02:13.42 | ArcanePariah | And of import, almost complete with a copy of mothership AI function |
| 02:14.00 | JademusSreg | I lack context for that, but yay. |
| 02:14.22 | Bounty | Got to see one firework this year... lol |
| 02:14.29 | ArcanePariah | I'm almost complete in reimplementing the function the mothership uses for its Tactical AI Function |
| 02:15.00 | ArcanePariah | And thus the context of my earlier PM to you, about the sheer number of functions with no GUI wrapper. |
| 02:15.11 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 02:15.12 | ArcanePariah | Tons of AI functions in AI.galaxy, including most of the AI natives |
| 02:15.18 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 02:15.30 | ArcanePariah | Some are simply wrappers, others are quite useful |
| 02:15.58 | ArcanePariah | show |
| 02:16.23 | JademusSreg | Quite. Of course, to gain traction, it should be at least as informative as standard GUI libs. Shouldn't be difficult, haha |
| 02:16.55 | JademusSreg | Probably take longer to write all the FAC comments than making the wrappers themselves. |
| 02:17.00 | ArcanePariah | Also, some are not AI natives, but they would have been insanely useful for more then just AI, like OrderSetTargetPoint |
| 02:17.06 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 02:17.46 | JademusSreg | Some AI natives were moved to natives.galaxy around 1.5, preceding the AI module. |
| 02:18.08 | ArcanePariah | In any case, this has been a quite informative day for me. Reimplementing a working example forces one to understand WHY it works. |
| 02:18.17 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 02:19.05 | JademusSreg | Soon you'll know all that I know, then I won't need to help anyone except on interesting problems, wooo. |
| 02:19.14 | ArcanePariah | lawllllll |
| 02:19.33 | ArcanePariah | Thank you, for elevating me to Master of Tedium |
| 02:19.36 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 02:22.11 | JademusSreg | I remember, sometime last year, I was helping people (Moon, haha, and some others) with a bunch of annoying tedious shit and in the face of such mind-boggling incompetence said "fuck it" and was absent a while. |
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| 02:22.39 | ArcanePariah | So... was I a breath of fresh air? |
| 02:22.54 | JademusSreg | Since then, I've elected to limit my aid to other solution dumps unless a problem is interesting. =D |
| 02:23.23 | JademusSreg | And yes, you're one of the obviously competent people from the beginning. Quite refreshing. |
| 02:23.46 | ArcanePariah | Probably helped that I came here only after I was starting to get stumped with some stuff |
| 02:23.50 | Bounty | What about me!? |
| 02:23.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:23.57 | JademusSreg | You |
| 02:23.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:24.00 | ArcanePariah | Had already been doing stuff for some months before coming here. |
| 02:24.03 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:25.09 | JademusSreg | You're not incompetent, per se, you're more like a design experience savant. The million typewriting monkeys producing the complete works of Shakespeare, that's you. |
| 02:25.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:25.59 | JademusSreg | Somehow you get results, it's quite inspiring really, despite terrible data and awful code. |
| 02:26.04 | pirate | hahahah |
| 02:26.33 | JademusSreg | Makes me proud to be your friendly foil. |
| 02:26.59 | *** part/#sc2mapster Nytemare3701 (~Nytemare3@c-67-174-247-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:27.06 | Bounty | "n fiction, a foil is a character who contrasts with another character in order to highlight particular qualities of the other character." |
| 02:27.09 | Bounty | right? |
| 02:27.12 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 02:27.13 | Bounty | had to google that |
| 02:27.19 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:27.19 | JademusSreg | Expect such. |
| 02:27.54 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/dargok |
| 02:27.57 | Bounty | fun arcade stream |
| 02:28.11 | pirate | oxymoron |
| 02:28.27 | JademusSreg | I antagonize you for technical inproficiency, but your attention to the core experience and vision thereof is admirable. |
| 02:28.49 | Bounty | <3 |
| 02:29.06 | JademusSreg | ♠ |
| 02:29.23 | pirate | spade? |
| 02:29.24 | Bounty | If that whole Blizzard thing does not work out Jade, you definitely have a career in motivational speaking. |
| 02:29.28 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:29.46 | Bounty | lulz |
| 02:30.04 | pirate | will you still hang out here when you're off in irvine? |
| 02:30.10 | Bounty | It must mean something pirate.... |
| 02:30.46 | Bounty | Blizz-Sreg |
| 02:31.36 | Bounty | I would think they would not mind if he still hung out here pirate |
| 02:32.47 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC6Zl2avp4s |
| 02:32.48 | Bounty | Memo Toast! |
| 02:36.41 | JademusSreg | Assuming such things transpire, I intend to operate as I always have; in a capacity of caustic levity and derisive assistance. |
| 02:37.40 | JademusSreg | As for ♠, reference: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004293 |
| 02:37.45 | ArcanePariah | Hah, if he indeed ends up there, I will get the pleasure of matching wits in person |
| 02:37.59 | JademusSreg | Go fish. |
| 02:38.10 | Bounty | You work at Blizzard ArcanePariah? Or do you just live in the area. |
| 02:38.30 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/68286-off-topic-programming-application/ |
| 02:38.45 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 02:38.45 | ArcanePariah | Live in the area, go to UCI (University of California, Irvine). BLizzard is about 15 minutes away from the campus. |
| 02:39.02 | Bounty | Ah, very cool stuff Arcane. |
| 02:39.05 | pirate | you ever visit the blizz campus? |
| 02:39.17 | Bounty | You know he has tried, but it did not end well |
| 02:39.32 | ArcanePariah | I've driven by it, it is of course a fortress, surrounded by high bars |
| 02:39.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:39.51 | pirate | really? |
| 02:39.55 | pirate | this suprises me |
| 02:40.04 | Bounty | not really shocking to me pirate |
| 02:41.15 | JademusSreg | Thesis project proposal: use an array of high-speed IR cameras to record computer, router, and modem LED flickers, determine the information from the patters. |
| 02:41.17 | Bounty | I wonder how brutal the beating would be if you got over the bars |
| 02:41.32 | JademusSreg | *patterns |
| 02:41.33 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:41.38 | pirate | valve is an easily accessible office floor (floors? I dont remember) |
| 02:42.56 | Bounty | I think Blizzard is about 8-10 buildings |
| 02:43.10 | pirate | (ie a campus) |
| 02:43.24 | Bounty | More like a gated community apparently |
| 02:45.46 | IskatuMesk | you mean a prison |
| 02:46.02 | Bounty | I don't think I would go that far |
| 02:46.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:46.05 | pirate | who let you out of your cave iskatu |
| 02:46.06 | IskatuMesk | like those abble chinese warhouses with barbed wire rooftops |
| 02:46.17 | IskatuMesk | he knew I was on to him |
| 02:46.23 | pirate | lol |
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| 02:46.40 | JademusSreg | Theoretically possible to determine information traversing many kinds of routers from the LEDs, but beyond some con or another, don't recall it ever being applied. |
| 02:46.48 | IskatuMesk | coffee |
| 02:47.02 | pirate | poignant |
| 02:47.03 | JademusSreg | *con (convention) |
| 02:47.10 | IskatuMesk | no jade |
| 02:47.10 | IskatuMesk | coffee |
| 02:47.12 | IskatuMesk | get it right |
| 02:47.24 | IskatuMesk | apply all the coffee |
| 02:47.25 | IskatuMesk | all the time |
| 02:47.46 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 02:49.07 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... I wonder if I have to provide the path of my own local file for my Tactical AI function to work? All the default ones just name the function, but all of those are within the core mod. |
| 02:49.20 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 02:49.27 | JademusSreg | But you need an include. |
| 02:49.40 | ArcanePariah | And include what? |
| 02:49.57 | JademusSreg | #include "TriggerLibs/SomeTacticalAIShit" |
| 02:50.09 | ArcanePariah | I did that already, by including Computer.galaxy |
| 02:50.20 | ArcanePariah | which chain and includes the rest of the AI stuff |
| 02:50.39 | JademusSreg | Did it perform correctly? |
| 02:51.10 | ArcanePariah | yes, I needed it earlier to use the wonderful AI functions, and those are not thrwoing compile errors. |
| 02:51.37 | ArcanePariah | Let me paste the default functions, and then what I have, see if you can spot my error. |
| 02:52.04 | JademusSreg | What's the error verbatim? |
| 02:52.13 | ArcanePariah | No error, just nothing happens |
| 02:52.38 | ArcanePariah | When using the default one, it properly casts Vortex on my 6 colossi. |
| 02:52.44 | ArcanePariah | When I use mine, nothing occurs |
| 02:52.51 | ArcanePariah | Mothership just attacks them |
| 02:52.56 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/bn4hk |
| 02:53.04 | ArcanePariah | That is the blizzard provided one. |
| 02:53.14 | Bounty | Pretty interesting history lesson of Blizzard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHz2ky-jng8 |
| 02:53.51 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/we95q |
| 02:53.56 | ArcanePariah | Here is my implementation |
| 02:54.39 | JademusSreg | Computer.galaxy isn't included in a standard mapscript, nor is it necessary. |
| 02:55.23 | ArcanePariah | True, I probably should be more narrow in my includes. |
| 02:55.35 | ArcanePariah | instead of including virutally every AI galaxy file |
| 02:56.05 | JademusSreg | I have an old diagram of pre-1.5 script inclusion structure somewhere, but basically mapscripts and AI code are separate with key overlaps. |
| 02:56.18 | JademusSreg | Which was a surprising discovery. |
| 02:57.09 | ArcanePariah | Well, Computer.galaxy is inserted at run time, if you specify it as the controlling AI script in Player Properties |
| 02:57.47 | ArcanePariah | Well, more accurately, there is a field in GameData for specifying AI trigger script |
| 03:00.37 | JademusSreg | Yar, more interesting is that each AI operates separate from one another and the map's main, but that's another subject. |
| 03:01.38 | ArcanePariah | Well yes, and the AI module was meant to expose just that, with multiple personalities and associated waves. |
| 03:01.52 | JademusSreg | Found it, woo. Keep in mind, this is ancient: http://i.imgur.com/uHzP8.jpg |
| 03:01.57 | ArcanePariah | One of the few things that lends well to parallelism |
| 03:02.41 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it is a tad bit out of date |
| 03:03.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but the jist is probably still accurate; two separate entry points, one for the map, another for AI. |
| 03:03.41 | IskatuMesk | messing with tactical AI are we |
| 03:03.44 | ArcanePariah | Mostly in that it has been somewhat rearranged. Computer.galaxy is a short list of includes, 7 of them. |
| 03:03.48 | IskatuMesk | if you come up with anything interesting let me know |
| 03:03.50 | ArcanePariah | Messing with AI altogether |
| 03:07.21 | JademusSreg | Maybe we could have our AIs mess with one another, hurrhurr. |
| 03:09.18 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... So yeah, not sure where the hold up is... I wonder if I must define my ai functions as part of another library. Perhaps it is not seeing it because the current AI is using Computer.galaxy, which includes all the files the have all the current tactical AI fucntions |
| 03:09.28 | JademusSreg | Oh, pardon, got distracted. |
| 03:10.27 | JademusSreg | Try this: add a new custom script element, #include "TriggerLibs/SomeTacticalAIShit", so its effectively inserted into the mapscript. |
| 03:10.28 | ArcanePariah | Can one include other mapscript files inside a map (just not named mapscript.galaxy)? |
| 03:10.39 | ArcanePariah | Already did that. |
| 03:11.00 | ArcanePariah | I'm fairly certain I have to define it as part of the AI |
| 03:11.03 | ArcanePariah | Gimme a sec to test |
| 03:11.05 | JademusSreg | And does -that- script have #include "TriggerLibs/AI"? |
| 03:11.28 | JademusSreg | Definitely don't need to define it "as part of the AI". |
| 03:11.35 | JademusSreg | Even Mesk can attest to that. |
| 03:11.59 | JademusSreg | He and hks have used and repurposed a tactical AI I wrote more than a year ago. |
| 03:12.21 | ArcanePariah | Ok, what I mean is thus: In the GameData data object, there is a field for AI. In that field, you define where the AI script file is. That is the one that is used for the AI, you can choose from those entries on the player properties. |
| 03:12.22 | JademusSreg | Directly in the map with a custom script element. |
| 03:12.38 | ArcanePariah | So my logic is that I need to create my own entry |
| 03:12.49 | JademusSreg | Of course, except tactical AI has no such requirement. |
| 03:13.20 | ArcanePariah | Ermmm, I'm not referring to the Tactical AI data object, I'm referring to the field on a unit where you can specify a tactical ai funciton. |
| 03:13.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 03:13.40 | JademusSreg | That function can be, well, anywhere. |
| 03:13.57 | ArcanePariah | Except if the script specified for the AI doesn't include it, it won't be used I'm thinking. |
| 03:14.04 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 03:14.12 | ArcanePariah | In the default case, Computer.galaxy is specified as the controlling AI script. |
| 03:14.19 | ArcanePariah | Along with all its includes |
| 03:14.26 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but it's not necessary. =D |
| 03:14.35 | ArcanePariah | Ok, then why is my script then being ignored? |
| 03:15.16 | JademusSreg | Not sure, but I'm certain it functions just fine within a mapscript, so such lengths aren't necessary. |
| 03:15.54 | ArcanePariah | Ok, then what do I need to change in order for the function to be recognized and used by the mothership? Currently it does not do anything sadly. |
| 03:17.01 | JademusSreg | Tell me the value of the field verbatim, the tactical AI script verbatim, and instead of making it a separate file, make a new custom script element and paste it in there, then run syntax check while I read the pastes. |
| 03:17.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:17.12 | ArcanePariah | Should I paste my entire mapscript code, maybe that will reveal something (this is purely a test map). |
| 03:17.24 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 03:17.41 | ArcanePariah | Do you want the field default value or what I have placed there? |
| 03:17.42 | JademusSreg | Naw, the entire mapscript would be excessive, as the problem is likely confined to syntax or grammar. |
| 03:17.51 | JademusSreg | What you placed there, verbatim. |
| 03:18.23 | ArcanePariah | Field value: AlternativeMothershipThink |
| 03:18.52 | JademusSreg | Alright. Now add gf_ to that field value. |
| 03:18.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:19.04 | JademusSreg | Assuming your function still has it. |
| 03:19.12 | ArcanePariah | ... fml... |
| 03:19.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:19.47 | ArcanePariah | facepalms out of shame |
| 03:20.15 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 03:20.36 | JademusSreg | That's for what I am here, good sir. |
| 03:20.54 | ArcanePariah | Works like a charm. Now for an intersting thing, it appears the function is called every 0.5 seconds. But some notes in one of the AI libs indicated that the think period is variable. |
| 03:21.25 | ArcanePariah | I"m curious how they retain performance of units calling these functions non stop |
| 03:21.37 | JademusSreg | Easy: they don't. |
| 03:22.13 | ArcanePariah | So... using AI with units is dangerous because the performance hit per unit has been increased.. |
| 03:22.22 | ArcanePariah | Steller |
| 03:22.43 | JademusSreg | Probably explains the transition to tactical AI data. |
| 03:23.00 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 03:23.09 | ArcanePariah | And I was mistaken, the think is every second. |
| 03:23.32 | JademusSreg | And it's not dangerous exactly, but if ignored can easily become a huge source of FPS drops and the like. |
| 03:23.35 | ArcanePariah | It is like the rest of the editor. Tactical AI functions are better to handle the more dynamic situations. |
| 03:23.48 | ArcanePariah | But tactical AI in data is far better for other things. |
| 03:23.56 | ArcanePariah | Like units with 1 or 2 abilites |
| 03:24.03 | ArcanePariah | see: HT with psi storm. |
| 03:24.06 | ArcanePariah | OHHHH |
| 03:24.22 | ArcanePariah | Now I understand tactical AI cooldowns, those are the thinks |
| 03:24.48 | ArcanePariah | Thereby setting lowering the amount of thinks that are performed, increasing performance |
| 03:25.18 | JademusSreg | Tactical AI data is preferable if the logic is fairly simple and the scope is limited. Tactical AI functions can employ arbitrarily complex logic, and global scope, completely unrestricted. |
| 03:26.16 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm, and also are locked in their think rate |
| 03:26.33 | ArcanePariah | Orr... I wonder if AIWait is how you can pause/slow the think rate |
| 03:26.39 | JademusSreg | Heroestorm uses tactical AI scripts for heroes and such, because they require it. The minions might employ some combination, either/or. |
| 03:27.14 | JademusSreg | AI even has its own time, so highly probable. |
| 03:27.17 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:39.15 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so wait has no effect, since the function is called every second. I guess I could add a check for number of running instance and do nothing if one is still active. |
| 03:49.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:2de9:b303:7830:9ac7) |
| 03:51.37 | Bounty | the first half of this song would make for such a badass predator chase scene in my Serengeti simulator >.< |
| 03:51.42 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9LLIuqwvdQ |
| 03:51.43 | Bounty | mmm |
| 03:53.44 | pirate | is there a better way to do this: https://pastee.org/bs2fk |
| 03:56.33 | pirate | I feel like I've got a chicken and egg problem with the func and struct |
| 04:16.31 | Bounty | Wish I could help pirate but I am a mere monkey of many writing shakespear |
| 04:16.35 | Bounty | >.< |
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| 04:18.21 | IskatuMesk | he_he |
| 04:18.31 | pirate | HIS EYES ARE LAUGHING |
| 04:18.31 | pirate | G |
| 04:18.33 | IskatuMesk | so arcane you got any functional tactical AI? |
| 04:18.34 | pirate | GET IM |
| 04:19.22 | IskatuMesk | jade had a retooled raven Ai for the old version of my project |
| 04:19.25 | IskatuMesk | it's pretty fly |
| 04:21.39 | IskatuMesk | I expect the armageddon map to be basically unplayably laggy |
| 04:21.43 | IskatuMesk | from the pathing and ai |
| 04:21.58 | IskatuMesk | since all armageddon units will need fairly advanced tactical AI, and there will be 10 or so players |
| 04:22.34 | IskatuMesk | maybe autocast can be used to cheese some abilities |
| 04:33.04 | Bounty | IskatuMesk, ever think about the voice work proposal? |
| 04:33.26 | IskatuMesk | I already told you the conditions to me even trying it |
| 04:33.36 | Bounty | refresh? |
| 04:33.54 | IskatuMesk | I am evicted and waiting to find a place to move to and it's insanely hot |
| 04:34.06 | IskatuMesk | so winter at best |
| 04:34.26 | Bounty | mkay |
| 04:35.12 | pirate | winter is coming |
| 04:35.35 | Bounty | Good, because I am already sick of Summer |
| 04:35.39 | IskatuMesk | ^ |
| 04:36.55 | Bounty | I rate the seasons based on the amount of layers of clothing I can wear during them |
| 04:36.56 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:40.17 | Bounty | oh and IskatuMesk, behold Memo Toast! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC6Zl2avp4s |
| 04:42.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@76.164.170.2) |
| 04:42.26 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 04:42.30 | Bounty | or, mirage pig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzjKHEJCaY |
| 04:42.40 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:45.04 | Teratron | hello |
| 04:45.15 | Teratron | anyone seen Azeroth Choppers |
| 04:45.20 | Teratron | you probably all did right |
| 04:45.31 | IskatuMesk | nope |
| 04:45.51 | Teratron | it was pretty much front pages on news and on sc2launcher |
| 04:45.58 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 04:45.59 | Teratron | news on blizzard sites i mean |
| 04:46.09 | IskatuMesk | I saw the mail in my spam every so often |
| 04:46.23 | Teratron | i know half the people totally don't care about this |
| 04:46.42 | Teratron | but i watched the american chopper as a kid so i ofcourse liked it in a way ... |
| 04:46.51 | Teratron | i know it's all drama etc |
| 04:46.56 | IskatuMesk | I seen a bit, but not too interested in blizzard stuff |
| 04:47.24 | Teratron | oh that, i've watched it because i pretty much was watching the shows on discovery alot |
| 04:47.29 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 04:47.55 | Teratron | but i know american chopper went way crazy with all the dad fights, if you even know what was going on |
| 04:48.06 | IskatuMesk | I have only seen a bit of it |
| 04:48.33 | Teratron | this one clip should explain, in a nutshell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPdmFJm2TPQ |
| 04:48.50 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:49.04 | Teratron | there's been like 8 seasons so a bit is very vague |
| 04:50.05 | IskatuMesk | that looks so scripted lol |
| 04:50.31 | Teratron | it actually does when it first came out i think it was very weird |
| 04:51.42 | Teratron | and this clip was supposably a leak, considering the audio is from raw camera and no cuss bleeps |
| 04:52.03 | JademusSreg | Did I miss anything of import? |
| 04:52.18 | pirate | <pirate> is there a better way to do this: https://pastee.org/bs2fk |
| 04:53.01 | Teratron | iskatu this is how it appears on the aired episode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDt3L8EW_Xs |
| 04:53.06 | pirate | also pretend that I initialize the funcref at run time |
| 04:54.35 | JademusSreg | Tell me its purpose, so I can better evaluate it. =D |
| 04:54.49 | pirate | ah, sor, I just meant my use of funcref |
| 04:55.03 | pirate | well no |
| 04:55.06 | pirate | the whole thing: |
| 04:56.11 | Teratron | would you believed me iskatumesk if i told you that I'm behind azeroth choppers ? |
| 04:56.27 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 04:56.37 | JademusSreg | Literally no one would, even if it were true. |
| 04:56.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:56.44 | Teratron | lol |
| 04:56.47 | Teratron | you guys sure ? |
| 04:56.48 | JademusSreg | But if it is, congrats. |
| 04:56.49 | pirate | the purpose is so that 'User[X].Turn.TotalLength' calculates the sum of 'User[X].Turn.SegmentLength[0..23]' when called |
| 04:57.08 | Teratron | okay vote please |
| 04:57.16 | Teratron | jademus your final answer ? |
| 04:57.56 | JademusSreg | I don't cling to a single position, I entertain all simultaneously, Stew. |
| 04:58.13 | IskatuMesk | ambidexteritous |
| 04:58.15 | Teratron | heh |
| 04:58.16 | IskatuMesk | like a good hooker |
| 04:58.37 | JademusSreg | Damn straight. |
| 04:58.41 | pirate | it would be cool if I could just write User[Account].Turn.TotalLength() / User.Turn.TotalLength() (hurray structref) instead of User[Account].Turn.TotalLength(Account) -- to reduce redundancy |
| 04:58.51 | JademusSreg | Though it's been some time since my adult entertainment days. |
| 04:59.12 | pirate | and overall the arrangement of the code seems less elegant than it should be |
| 04:59.19 | IskatuMesk | I think your superhero nightlife is all about entertaining all positions simultaneously for a strict and needy belgian crew |
| 04:59.52 | JademusSreg | pir, you could -if- and only if you define a global or use data table to set the "instance" before accessing. |
| 05:00.39 | JademusSreg | Which isn't much of a gain for one or two calls, but advantegous when working with numerous abstractly "instanced" values for the same instance. |
| 05:01.17 | IskatuMesk | I'm going to instance YOUR value |
| 05:01.24 | JademusSreg | Rwor. |
| 05:01.49 | pirate | the instance of User[i].Turn.TotalLength = turnGetTotalLength ? |
| 05:02.03 | pirate | maybe I misunderstand the term instance |
| 05:02.34 | JademusSreg | Hold on, pir, using my mandibles to groom larvae. |
| 05:03.16 | pirate | that sounds incredibly unlikely |
| 05:03.28 | IskatuMesk | seems pretty normal |
| 05:03.56 | pirate | people dont groom little people with mouths |
| 05:04.00 | IskatuMesk | I do' |
| 05:04.04 | IskatuMesk | but only before eating them |
| 05:04.39 | JademusSreg | Oh, pardon, I meant to say effusing digestive enzymes into the morning coffee and eating the newspaper. |
| 05:04.42 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/riV3G67.gif |
| 05:06.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I understand the desire for syntactic prettiness like "Thing.Stuff.DoShit()" instead of "Thing.Stuff.DoShit(forThisFuck)". And it is doable, with some caveats. |
| 05:08.12 | JademusSreg | Specifically, to use instance-like syntax, you'd need to set a value representing the instance either using a global variable or data table for the "instance method" means of accessing the current instance. |
| 05:08.23 | pirate | if it's a lot of work then it's not worth, as you pointed out and/or realize DoShit(forThisFuck) will only be called in 10 or so places, and we're going to hide those places specific TurnScript file so I dont have to look at them later |
| 05:08.32 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 05:09.13 | pirate | merp |
| 05:09.44 | JademusSreg | It's only practical when operating on a single instance, or rather more accurately a set of instances which is known in order of operation with corresponding functions to set said instances in order. |
| 05:09.46 | pirate | as is, still preferable hand calculating TotalLength at those 10 or so instances like I was doing lasthour |
| 05:09.58 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:11.00 | pirate | and I can still achieve cleanliness through compartmentalization |
| 05:11.56 | JademusSreg | Iteration is almost always preferable over to-the-line execution of elements, with exceptions for discrete, finite mathematical structures and where high-load performance takes priority over readability (like shader code). |
| 05:13.25 | pirate | so I'm doing good for a young padawan? |
| 05:14.10 | JademusSreg | Fuck ya, good as galaxy allows. |
| 05:15.12 | pirate | excellent |
| 05:22.24 | pirate | should have most of my Turn() implementation done by tomorrow |
| 05:32.28 | IskatuMesk | Butts() |
| 05:34.16 | pirate | Iskatu I will give you super use status and you can have your own ability called Butts() |
| 05:37.08 | IskatuMesk | BUTTS |
| 05:40.08 | JademusSreg | Who[i].Like.Butts("Big"); |
| 05:44.34 | unsafeCoerce | Such awful syntax |
| 05:49.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:50.17 | JademusSreg | Galaxy is awful, but when the choices are awful or nothing, awful it is. |
| 05:53.01 | Bounty | lol |
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| 06:30.55 | IskatuMesk | Can units be pushed around by spells? |
| 06:31.14 | IskatuMesk | like, having an ability that creates a circular motion of force that drags units down and moves them around based on their speed? |
| 06:31.58 | Bounty | Sounds like force effects IskatuMesk |
| 06:32.09 | Bounty | I would ask Ahli |
| 06:32.56 | IskatuMesk | ah-lee |
| 06:32.57 | IskatuMesk | awaken |
| 06:35.02 | IskatuMesk | ah-leeeeeeee |
| 06:36.17 | Bounty | its 8:30 am his time |
| 06:36.26 | Bounty | I think he might actually be sleeping |
| 06:36.27 | Bounty | my bad |
| 06:36.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:40.49 | ArcanePariah | Force effects will do this, but keep in mind, you need to lift the unit first, or make sure the unit has low mass. |
| 06:41.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, knockback, my favorite. |
| 06:41.29 | IskatuMesk | this is a spiral-shaped force of wind that moves units based on their movespeed |
| 06:41.50 | IskatuMesk | Windforce - This is a three-stage spell. In the first stage, it creates a spiral-like column of moving air that spirals out from the caster to a max range of 40. Air units caught in the column are pushed along with the spiral based on a force that relies on their movespeed. Slower moving units are slowed more, and very slow units, like capital ships, will be pushed along the column entirely. Fast units may escape it or continu |
| 06:42.11 | JademusSreg | Some combination of Force and Launch Missile effects usually satisfy move-a-unit designs. |
| 06:42.41 | IskatuMesk | After 5 seconds, the air begins to heat up, and starts slowing down ground units as well as dealing damage to all enemies caught within its effect. It deals 15 damage per second. After another 5 seconds, the column begins creating Light Seeds, air mines of light that violently explode when enemy air units come into contact with them. The air also sets on fire, dealing 30 damage a second. This effect lasts for 3 seconds. |
| 06:43.17 | JademusSreg | For example, Forcefield and Vortex use Force effects to gradually push/pull units, often at the expense of control throughout the duration of the application. |
| 06:43.57 | IskatuMesk | this is one of those spells that would probably require some insane amount of data entries to accomplish |
| 06:43.59 | IskatuMesk | and would be hilariously op |
| 06:44.01 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, Dehaka Leap, Yeti Leap, Viper Abduct (Yoink!) use Launch Missile effects. |
| 06:44.43 | JademusSreg | Naw, not as overwhelmingly complex as one might expect from the scale. |
| 06:45.06 | JademusSreg | Which is to say it has the benefit of being scalable, so the scale doesn't add to the complexity. |
| 06:47.53 | IskatuMesk | technically this boss has the potential to blow up like 1/2 of the map with spirit bomb |
| 06:48.49 | JademusSreg | Yep, fortunately, size and scale don't usually add to the complexity of its data structure, or otherwise do so linearly. |
| 06:49.40 | IskatuMesk | he can create a bunch of balls that get absorbed into spirit bomb, and has a scaling structure-spawning ability whose structures can also get stucked into the spirit bomb |
| 06:49.56 | IskatuMesk | all of those rely on carelessness of the player to really get to silly levels, but surely it will happen |
| 06:49.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Goa_ (~Goa_@91.83.16.211.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 06:50.14 | Goa_ | lol, somebody msg-d me this on bnet: LouisIV: reported for review spam |
| 06:50.20 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 06:51.33 | JademusSreg | Dafuckq? |
| 06:55.21 | IskatuMesk | so the question is jade |
| 06:55.29 | IskatuMesk | should I go completely ridiculous with boss phases |
| 06:56.52 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:00.56 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:01.02 | Bounty | http://redroom.com/member/frank-sanello/blog/do-alcohol-and-drugs-reveal-our-hidden-genuine-selves |
| 07:01.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:01.16 | Bounty | I thought that was interesting enough to link |
| 07:04.58 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so somewhat of an odd question, how does one apply labels to library GUI stuff. |
| 07:08.06 | ArcanePariah | Want to make things pretty for my wrapper library. Writing a library to have GUI wrappers for all natives that are not currently present. |
| 07:08.52 | ArcanePariah | Which I'm frankly surprised no one wrote one before. |
| 07:09.59 | IskatuMesk | I'm going to wrap you in pancake batter |
| 07:10.21 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... can I lick it? |
| 07:10.37 | ArcanePariah | Or do I wait for you to cook me, and I eat my way out? |
| 07:10.51 | IskatuMesk | both. |
| 07:10.57 | ArcanePariah | Sounds tasty |
| 07:11.03 | ArcanePariah | Do I get syrup? |
| 07:11.11 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 07:11.21 | ArcanePariah | Boysenberry please. |
| 07:13.44 | IskatuMesk | Blood Boil - Creates a large field of glowing air that sucks the life force out of enemies caught inside, dealing 2% max health damage every second. The spell stores the damage dealt. When the spell effect ends, it adds this damage to Kolad`Heem's next base attack and increases that effect's splash radius and effect size by an amount equal to how many units died in the Blood Boil column. This could really hurt... |
| 07:16.39 | IskatuMesk | honestly I think the mechanic of controlling the orbs and stopping him from stacking spirit bomb would be too much for most people, I'm just adding this other stuff because I'm cruel |
| 07:17.12 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:17.19 | IskatuMesk | I am just thinking of this like Cave does with their shmups |
| 07:17.33 | JademusSreg | Arc, did you figure out the GUI lib label shit? |
| 07:18.37 | JademusSreg | Or shall I lecture loquaciously at length and least labor on the labels or libraries? |
| 07:18.43 | JademusSreg | *of |
| 07:18.50 | JademusSreg | HAha, damn common typo. |
| 07:20.54 | ArcanePariah | No I did not, so lecture away |
| 07:21.01 | JademusSreg | Have a moment to spare before I invest near-complete attention in a queue of tasks. =D |
| 07:21.32 | JademusSreg | First, do you refer to how to apply existing labels or how to create custom labels? |
| 07:21.35 | ArcanePariah | Likewise, as I write wrapper functions, have already published the library, and will be spreading the word on mapster at least. |
| 07:22.00 | ArcanePariah | Application, I have already seen where and how to create labels associated with a given library |
| 07:22.39 | JademusSreg | Right click an element, properties. |
| 07:23.05 | ArcanePariah | Sigh... why is the right click -> Label greyed out? |
| 07:23.39 | ArcanePariah | Oh, it is grayed out until at least one element has the label assigned in the manual manner... |
| 07:23.46 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 07:23.53 | ArcanePariah | Kind of lame... |
| 07:24.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:27.37 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, I know you are currently occupied, but can I request, when you have some time, that you compile a list of natives with no corresponding GUI version? |
| 07:27.58 | JademusSreg | Suppose I could, sure. |
| 07:28.23 | ArcanePariah | And now that I think of it... maybe that is what the native flag is for... |
| 07:29.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:30.12 | JademusSreg | I can regex my GUI xml, only gotta operate on the built-in lib anyway, and reduce it to only those GUI element definitions with the native flag. |
| 07:30.27 | ArcanePariah | Going to lol, if that is the case, but it really can only be that, since I now understand that the .SCLib is simply a wrapper for the galaxy functions |
| 07:30.55 | JademusSreg | Probably why I emote-smiled earlier. =D |
| 07:31.06 | JademusSreg | Or at least assume I did. |
| 07:34.14 | JademusSreg | Haha, well, this approach will not simply render a count; neglected to consider that there are many GUI FACs which call natives, the same natives, or possibly even the same natives with different arg presets. |
| 07:34.59 | JademusSreg | Oh, and that the FAC paradigm means the same natives may be called as a function, action or condition, haha. |
| 07:39.22 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... still need to test, but the Native flag IS the wrapper. Just assign the action/function id the same as the native, and match the parameter list id's and set the flag, and you are done... |
| 07:39.48 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 07:41.01 | JademusSreg | In which case, would actually just be easier to make your own lib which replaces GUI's Built-In lib. |
| 07:41.07 | IskatuMesk | Active Magic Mentor (Passive) - Enemies who cast spells within 12 range of Kolad`Heem are zapped by lightning originating from above him, dealing damage equal to 50% of the mana their ability costed, while also giving him a stack of Charged Blood. - Yes, this means medics/dropships will stack his charged blood to insane levels. it will be amazing |
| 07:41.09 | JademusSreg | All natives, to cruft. |
| 07:41.14 | JademusSreg | *no cruft |
| 07:42.32 | ArcanePariah | Ehh, you get built in no matter what. |
| 07:42.49 | ArcanePariah | Since it is part of Core |
| 07:43.17 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but there are ways. |
| 07:43.23 | ArcanePariah | Unless you can load the editor with no dependencies what so ever (which I doubt, since a great deal of the editors own settings are defined in core) |
| 07:43.57 | ArcanePariah | Well yeah, you can chagne the default game data setting to load no trig libraries |
| 07:44.15 | ArcanePariah | Which leaves Built In there, from the XML, but the underly galaxy scripts are not included. |
| 07:44.24 | JademusSreg | Ooor you manually edit some otherwise inaccessible files, attempt to remove them from the Game data in the data editor, or override the NativeLib.SC2Lib with a custom dependency, et cetera. |
| 07:45.01 | ArcanePariah | In any case, it worked, my function call, when seen in script, is a call to the native. |
| 07:45.11 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 07:45.27 | ArcanePariah | So Native is flat out the wrapper flag. |
| 07:45.33 | JademusSreg | As expected. But. |
| 07:45.51 | JademusSreg | That opens up a new usage I hadn't previously considered. |
| 07:47.27 | JademusSreg | Hell fucking yes. |
| 07:47.36 | IskatuMesk | fucking yes hell |
| 07:48.43 | ArcanePariah | Something tells me I just made JademusSreg day |
| 07:49.00 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/5mgf7 |
| 07:49.10 | JademusSreg | You''l enjoy it too. |
| 07:49.48 | IskatuMesk | confused? |
| 07:49.56 | ArcanePariah | Son of a ... function overloading??? |
| 07:50.03 | IskatuMesk | what is it doing |
| 07:50.39 | JademusSreg | Lots of stuff, but the most important thing it's doing is using the FlagNative xml element to refer to a obviously non-native function. |
| 07:50.58 | IskatuMesk | but what advantage does that offer |
| 07:51.02 | IskatuMesk | this looks just like default stuff to me |
| 07:51.04 | ArcanePariah | Either you are doing function overloading or you are flat out subtituting one function in place of a native. |
| 07:51.06 | IskatuMesk | explain your science |
| 07:51.26 | JademusSreg | Which means it can bridge more than just natives. It can provide GUI wrappers for, well, anything already defined in script. |
| 07:51.35 | ArcanePariah | Lmao |
| 07:51.57 | IskatuMesk | you couldn't do that before? |
| 07:52.14 | IskatuMesk | wasn't a gui wrapper just a trigger that fed conditions into a custom script |
| 07:52.16 | JademusSreg | Could, just hadn't considered that paricular detail and its applications. |
| 07:52.41 | ArcanePariah | Before, people may have written actions and just placed a custom script action and placed the entire custom script in that block. This is MUCH cleaner, separate the GUI from the script entirely. |
| 07:52.44 | IskatuMesk | just judging by the ones of yours you had in that tactical file |
| 07:52.51 | JademusSreg | GUI trigger shit is a huge bloated xml file the editor uses to "compile" the galaxy script. |
| 07:53.33 | IskatuMesk | so, the gui wrapper is galaxy in itself? |
| 07:53.35 | IskatuMesk | and not a trigger |
| 07:53.38 | IskatuMesk | is that what you are saying |
| 07:53.49 | ArcanePariah | What we have discovered is the means to completely separate GUI from script, where someone could write a script, and someone else could create the GUI version, just by knowing the action id and parameters. |
| 07:53.56 | IskatuMesk | I am guessing the gui -> galaxy conversion is horrible |
| 07:54.06 | ArcanePariah | In effect we have recreated the interaction of .h and .c files |
| 07:54.19 | IskatuMesk | yeah, definitely too advanced for me :3 |
| 07:54.27 | JademusSreg | But yes, as Arc mentioned, this -also- opens up the possibility of function overloading, a kind of function signature polymorphism. |
| 07:54.28 | ArcanePariah | Where knowing the function definition does not require knowing the function implementation. |
| 07:54.53 | JademusSreg | Be sure to insert my name in there when you post about all this and your lib on the forums. |
| 07:55.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:55.11 | ArcanePariah | Will do. What a night :D |
| 07:55.25 | IskatuMesk | shrug. I am done writing this boss out, I think |
| 07:55.31 | IskatuMesk | time to rub my beard |
| 07:56.05 | IskatuMesk | I will have to make a supersaiyan version of his graphic |
| 07:56.17 | ArcanePariah | Can't believe no one has discovered this before now/ |
| 07:57.17 | ArcanePariah | So anyhow, this means one can easily provide GUI versions of most custom written script. |
| 07:57.25 | ArcanePariah | Like, hilariously easily |
| 07:57.49 | IskatuMesk | I see |
| 07:57.54 | IskatuMesk | see that's an explanation that makes sense |
| 07:57.55 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 07:58.00 | JademusSreg | I could have done so last year if I had followed up and actually cross referenced the identifiers with the standard scripts. Like you, I assumed it only refered to natives. |
| 07:58.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:58.28 | ArcanePariah | With this, can have true black box implementation of script libraries. |
| 07:58.31 | JademusSreg | But the count discrepency (over 2000) strongly suggested it wasn't only refering to actual natives. |
| 07:58.35 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 07:59.00 | ArcanePariah | Code portability ftw |
| 08:01.20 | JademusSreg | No further need for Built-In, though generating all the Id values for all the Elements is not practical manually, unless, er, one actually consolidates them by type instead of ridiculously defining new ones all over the fucking place. =D |
| 08:04.07 | ArcanePariah | Yes, this opens up the possibility of performance gain by eliminating and only loading a subset of Built In For GUI work |
| 08:04.55 | IskatuMesk | I suspect when jade finally gets around to that AI, I will unable to understand a single line of it |
| 08:05.05 | IskatuMesk | whereas I spent like 3 months trying to decipher the existing code and maybe understand half of it |
| 08:05.15 | JademusSreg | A subset is misleading; since Built-In misses many natives and otherwise standard functions (and adds bullshit), an alternative would be a significant improvement. |
| 08:05.57 | ArcanePariah | Agreed |
| 08:06.18 | ArcanePariah | If anything, we can provide a super set that is clean and well defined to be ONLY natives. |
| 08:06.18 | JademusSreg | Isk, to put this is in more immediately useful terms, this discovery also means all my scripts can more readily be ported or otherwise wrapped as GUI. =D |
| 08:06.25 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 08:06.28 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 08:06.30 | IskatuMesk | honestly though |
| 08:06.35 | IskatuMesk | after looking at galaxy for so long |
| 08:06.39 | IskatuMesk | I find gui harder to read... |
| 08:06.57 | JademusSreg | And this just became less useless: https://pastee.org/tctwj |
| 08:07.01 | ArcanePariah | And then create a Utility library for all the BS functions. |
| 08:07.13 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 08:07.25 | JademusSreg | Gotta get back to shit in need of doing. |
| 08:07.28 | IskatuMesk | I find xml harder to read than the both though |
| 08:07.37 | ArcanePariah | IskatuMesk, GUI does serve to speed certain things up. Namely finding functions to use, and large refactoring. |
| 08:07.47 | IskatuMesk | it's just ugly to look at |
| 08:07.54 | IskatuMesk | yeah I'd use gui for my cinematics |
| 08:08.36 | IskatuMesk | just need tons and tons of comments |
| 08:09.56 | JademusSreg | (I can do that, too, no worries.) |
| 08:10.24 | IskatuMesk | if you thought transferring that tiny 60mb mod file is large, you might cringe when you see how big my dialogue is going to make those maps |
| 08:11.39 | IskatuMesk | though |
| 08:11.48 | IskatuMesk | something really useful would be a way to quickly define those dialogue files |
| 08:12.04 | IskatuMesk | going through the data editor and making a simple voiced cinematic in 2012 showed me how ridiculously time consuming that simple process is |
| 08:12.17 | IskatuMesk | and the dialogue in this is... extensive |
| 08:17.03 | IskatuMesk | 560mb of selected mission music currently, maybe 1/10 total |
| 08:19.42 | IskatuMesk | though some of that is flac I need to drop to .ogg. sadface |
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| 08:42.43 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 08:49.12 | JademusSreg | Oh, Mesk, to clarify, the ES Epyon doesn't use cannons like Thor, yeah? Attempting to determine how best to make use of them, given the difference in armaments. |
| 08:51.45 | JademusSreg | Figure if that's the case, best use is to make the handcannons visibly prepare the drones prior to launch, backcannons to, er, launch the targeting drone. Wish the geometry was different, haha. |
| 09:09.58 | A1win | hmm, if I had animations to move to 4 directions and I wanted to blend them for every other direction, wouldn't that mean that the model would move slower to diagonal directions if speed remained constant? |
| 09:12.30 | JademusSreg | You mean like a zigzag? Or in the sense that moving diagonally to a corner necessarily takes more time than moving to the edge of a hypothetical square? |
| 09:12.54 | JademusSreg | *time/distance |
| 09:13.08 | A1win | or maybe I thought it wrong D: |
| 09:13.17 | A1win | like in 45 degree angle |
| 09:13.42 | A1win | if animation speed remains constant and it blends between those animations |
| 09:13.54 | A1win | like 50% blend between forward and right |
| 09:14.12 | JademusSreg | Really fuzzy, incomplete information. |
| 09:14.20 | A1win | :x |
| 09:14.51 | A1win | character moves based on the animations, so if it's playing forward animation it moves forward at speed 1, and if playing right animation it moves right at speed 1 |
| 09:15.12 | A1win | then it moves forward-right (45 degree angle), it blends between those animations |
| 09:16.24 | A1win | so it'd move right at speed 0.5 and forward at speed 0.5 |
| 09:16.52 | JademusSreg | That seems like a really odd approach, which adds to the difficulty in understanding. |
| 09:17.30 | A1win | that's what I was trying to figure out, whether it is a proper approach or not |
| 09:17.32 | JademusSreg | But to get constant time, you'd need to account for distance in the animation time scale. |
| 09:17.50 | A1win | what would be a better approach then? |
| 09:19.20 | IskatuMesk | yeah jade you got the idea |
| 09:19.24 | JademusSreg | As for the approach in general, makes more sense to animate forward, back and strafing if applicable, clockwise turn, counterclockwise turn, and let the code determine which way the objects are actually moving and rotating. |
| 09:19.31 | JademusSreg | Thanks. |
| 09:22.31 | A1win | I don't want the character to turn while it moves, and want it to be able to move to every direction (or mainly to 8 since keyboard won't allow more but blending over time between 2 directions would make it use other directions as well) |
| 09:23.13 | A1win | oh actually it can move to every direction since camera is fixed and facing can be anything |
| 09:23.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:23.23 | A1win | like I have a character who can aim at stuff with mouse |
| 09:23.38 | A1win | and then move with wasd relative to camera angle, which is fixed |
| 09:24.09 | A1win | I just started figuring this stuff out yesterday so I'm still confused ;( |
| 09:24.20 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 09:25.27 | A1win | I mean of course the character can also turn, but that's separate from this issue |
| 09:26.43 | A1win | is it generally a good idea to use the animations to move the character or move it with script and just play the appropriate animations? |
| 09:26.45 | JademusSreg | Don't intend to overwhelm, just trying to determine the optimal solution. Animating for each arbitrary orientation or direction is less efficient than defining animations which instead perform sufficiently given arbitrary orientation and direction. |
| 09:33.44 | JademusSreg | Makes sense to time-scale and/or offset each executing animation relative to their respective "distance" from the objective. Blend walk and turn, for a short turn, barely noticible, a constant turn (weee speed walking in circles) blends more obviously. Instead of playing them in conflict with one another, they can either play in a stack (walk-short turn-walk) or interpolate/blend between |
| 09:33.46 | JademusSreg | them simulanteously (walk keeps the legs moving in in a walking fashion, turning causes one leg to stick out more, upper body to lean a bit away from the leg). |
| 09:34.03 | JademusSreg | Pardon, I suspect this is less than helpful. |
| 09:34.43 | IskatuMesk | my face is less than helpful |
| 09:35.21 | JademusSreg | Your face is very expressive, which is helpful in communicating feelings and "face thoughts". |
| 09:38.20 | A1win | well I kind of get what you said but that doesn't have anything to do with the 360 degree movement where character faces the same way all the time (so that there is no turning) |
| 09:38.53 | JademusSreg | Ah, then I'm back to not understanding the nature of the problem. =D |
| 09:38.57 | A1win | haha |
| 09:39.37 | A1win | I'm trying to figure out what animations to play at what speed/blending when the character moves to any other direction than forward/backward/left/right (that are the only directions that would have an actual animation) |
| 09:40.56 | A1win | though I suspect it wouldn't work very well with blending |
| 09:41.18 | JademusSreg | Well, since you're intent on not animating turning, that's like "fuckit" by default, just blend instantly; that's what Civ games with different perspective angles for a given unit asset did. |
| 09:42.14 | JademusSreg | If you want diagonal movement, well, again I don't understand why you don't just have "walking" and give it an arbitrary direction. |
| 09:42.24 | JademusSreg | Unless it's all sprites. |
| 09:42.31 | A1win | mmh? |
| 09:42.44 | A1win | I don't want the character to face the movement direction |
| 09:43.16 | A1win | character's facing angle is fixed and it can move to any direction while facing that direction |
| 09:43.51 | JademusSreg | So, front back strafe-left strafe-right. |
| 09:44.17 | A1win | and every other direction between those |
| 09:44.29 | A1win | which are the problem |
| 09:44.59 | A1win | full 360 degree movement while facing a fixed direction |
| 09:47.01 | A1win | like in a third person game when you move forward and strafe right at the same time |
| 09:47.06 | A1win | what animation is playing? |
| 09:47.33 | JademusSreg | Haha, I recall a number of games that just make the legs rotate independently for most of the arc, 270 or ±135 from forward, with the remaining 90 of the arc reversed orientation with reversed animation. |
| 09:47.54 | JademusSreg | Halo 2 and 3 are especially vivid examples in my mmemory. |
| 09:47.58 | A1win | :x |
| 09:48.44 | JademusSreg | If that's not helpful, I shall resume being unhelpful quietly. =D |
| 09:49.07 | A1win | so I'm trying to solve a problem that everyone else was like "fuck it"? |
| 09:49.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:57.32 | A1win | I suppose if I had like 4 directional animations and then rotated legs ±45 degrees from the closest one... |
| 09:58.29 | A1win | well got to test stuff when I actually find suitable animations to test with first <.< |
| 09:58.44 | JademusSreg | Glad to almost kind of help. |
| 09:58.48 | A1win | hehe |
| 09:59.52 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 10:07.19 | JademusSreg | Haha, just appreciated how Arc Trigger and Skyplit deal nearly the same damage. |
| 10:11.02 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
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| 10:11.27 | JademusSreg | Assuming optimal conditions versus a single target. |
| 10:12.39 | IskatuMesk | optimal anal conditions |
| 10:13.19 | JademusSreg | Moist, fibrous diet, well-toned, flexible. |
| 10:29.50 | IskatuMesk | jade |
| 10:29.52 | IskatuMesk | do you want brain damage |
| 10:32.02 | JademusSreg | Nope, though I suspect at some point I may have induced some through the recreatonal use of dextromethorphan. |
| 10:32.25 | JademusSreg | If so, I expect such damage to have been marginal. |
| 10:32.33 | JademusSreg | Why do you ask? |
| 10:37.17 | IskatuMesk | got a file here that might hurt your brain to read |
| 10:38.11 | IskatuMesk | this is my concepts file |
| 10:38.20 | IskatuMesk | literally everything in it is subject to dramatic change |
| 10:38.26 | IskatuMesk | but just so you can see some of my other unit ideas |
| 10:39.27 | JademusSreg | Ah, no worries, I have a flexible brain. Which coincidentally relates to the previously detailed optimal anal conditions. |
| 10:39.37 | JademusSreg | So by all means, lolbox it. =D |
| 10:40.19 | IskatuMesk | I did |
| 10:40.29 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 10:41.31 | JademusSreg | I enjoy my description in there, haha. |
| 10:43.17 | JademusSreg | Funny the TODOFIX (or DOOFIX, since it sounds like "doofus" and thus mildly amuses) mentions "Remove dumb hatchery decal", since I made an actor event macro to make dumb hatchery decals. |
| 10:43.41 | JademusSreg | Quite an easy thing to fix. |
| 10:43.44 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 10:44.11 | IskatuMesk | yeah I'd rather redo all the zerg stuff and make the hatcheries on them |
| 10:44.16 | IskatuMesk | just appearing on the ground looks super odd |
| 10:44.22 | IskatuMesk | hatcheries = decals |
| 10:44.29 | IskatuMesk | not sure how that happened |
| 10:44.37 | JademusSreg | No worries, still understood. |
| 10:45.13 | JademusSreg | watches A Fish Called Wanda on the other monitor. |
| 10:45.21 | A1win | what's that metallic instrument that they use in Hemlock Grove intro and Dexter outro :E |
| 10:45.29 | JademusSreg | Sitar? |
| 10:45.46 | JademusSreg | Or is it a Kote? |
| 10:46.09 | JademusSreg | Hm, nope wrong word. |
| 10:46.19 | A1win | not sure if it even is an instrument, like a very whiney metallic sound |
| 10:46.35 | JademusSreg | *Koto |
| 10:48.31 | A1win | actually it isn't even the same instrument <.< |
| 10:48.40 | A1win | in Dexter it sounds more like some kind of a flute |
| 10:48.48 | JademusSreg | "Kent's widely praised opening theme utilises an eclectic selection of European and Asian instruments, including ukulele, piano, bouzouki, trumpets, pizzicato strings, electric piano, saz, and tambour" |
| 10:49.07 | A1win | just a similar tone or something |
| 10:49.32 | JademusSreg | Yeah, did I mention if have nearly no understanding of music? Tragic, really. |
| 10:49.40 | A1win | hehe, me neither |
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| 10:56.32 | IskatuMesk | as you can probably guess |
| 10:56.41 | IskatuMesk | most of the document's organization doesn't actually exist |
| 10:56.45 | IskatuMesk | because organization is for nerds |
| 10:56.58 | IskatuMesk | I just throw in ideas and iterate them every now and then |
| 10:58.25 | JademusSreg | Haha. Opposite of scrum. Rummage. |
| 10:58.56 | IskatuMesk | wat |
| 11:01.54 | JademusSreg | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Scrum_task_board.jpg |
| 11:03.46 | IskatuMesk | how messy |
| 11:03.50 | IskatuMesk | where are the random lines |
| 11:03.53 | IskatuMesk | and scribbling |
| 11:03.56 | IskatuMesk | and dick pictures |
| 11:06.11 | JademusSreg | I put those on -mine- but one imagines wiki wanted to host a more instructive, less accurate version. |
| 11:06.57 | IskatuMesk | nerds |
| 11:21.25 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | JademusSreg | Oh, good news. |
| 11:22.15 | JademusSreg | May not need to gut AIs and start from scratch. |
| 11:56.01 | Teratron | hey jademus |
| 11:56.02 | Teratron | you here ? |
| 11:56.07 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 11:56.16 | Teratron | does you PM work ? |
| 11:56.34 | Teratron | if i send you will you see it ? |
| 11:56.40 | Teratron | quersy |
| 11:56.43 | Teratron | query |
| 11:57.04 | JademusSreg | Depends on what you intend to send. |
| 11:57.12 | JademusSreg | If it's technical, then yes. |
| 11:57.12 | Teratron | a link |
| 11:57.24 | Teratron | actually i fell asleep and forgot |
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| 11:57.37 | Teratron | i had it al ready ... |
| 11:57.44 | Teratron | ok here ti is |
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| 13:48.00 | Swordman | hi. Someone wanna test my Arcade-Game "Project Z" ? It's on the european Server |
| 13:48.53 | JademusSreg | Sorry, busy. Also not an ideal time to seek testers; EU and NA users are probably at work, or school. |
| 13:49.53 | Swordman | I don't think european users are at School at 4 pm on Saturday |
| 13:50.15 | JademusSreg | In the general sense, not today specifically. =D |
| 13:50.24 | Swordman | at 4 pm? xD |
| 13:50.42 | JademusSreg | Depend on the university and coursework. |
| 13:50.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:51.24 | Swordman | maybe someone else here? |
| 13:52.41 | JademusSreg | More folks are likely to pop on in a few hours. |
| 13:53.01 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, feel free to waste time and decribe your map. |
| 13:53.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:03.59 | Swordman | Okay. My map takes place in an apocalyptic world. There are zombies everywhere, and it looks like you are the only survivor out there. But of course, there are other players too. But are they friendly? Or are they going to kill you to get your money? So you have to decide who to trust. |
| 14:04.58 | Swordman | If you kill zombies, they sometimes drop minerals. You can use these to build a shelter, where you can upgrade your survivor. It's also a respawn-point if something bad happens |
| 14:05.50 | JademusSreg | Fairly solid central conceit, DayZ demonstrates that much. Any distinquishing features? Something which sets it apart? |
| 14:06.08 | A1win | the zombies, they can SWIM |
| 14:06.51 | Swordman | The map is very dark, every player has got a flashlight. But of course, other players can see your flashlight from a far distance. So it's up to you when to turn your flashlight on or off. |
| 14:07.14 | JademusSreg | Well, most zombies, failing swimming, can at least walk along the bottom. Until decomposition gasses pull them to the surface. =D |
| 14:07.39 | JademusSreg | How does the lighting mechanic work for players on low graphic settings? |
| 14:07.40 | Swordman | i've got some screenshots but they are from the alpha: http://abload.de/img/screenshot2014-04-150gil1k.jpg http://abload.de/img/screenshot2014-04-150hfxi8.jpg http://abload.de/img/screenshot2014-04-1508lxpm.jpg http://abload.de/img/screenshot2014-04-1508oz2q.jpg |
| 14:08.15 | A1win | for a few years now, I've wanted to make a co-op game where there are enemies (zombies) everywhere and players have to set up outposts, do some task there, pack up, clear their way to the next one, repeat |
| 14:08.53 | A1win | so that while an outpost is set up, they have to really struggle to be fully prepared for the next "sprint" |
| 14:11.10 | Swordman | My map has also got an Time-limit (It's usually 40 minutes). When the timer runs out, the player with the highest "Survival-Ratio" wins. The Game saves everything you do, and uses these informations to calculate your Survival-Ratio. |
| 14:11.42 | A1win | sounds like an odd victory condition for a survival game |
| 14:12.40 | Swordman | yeah i don't know what else i could do. The first version hat no victory condition at all. it was endless |
| 14:12.45 | Swordman | *had |
| 14:13.45 | A1win | either make it progressively harder and harder until everyone dies, last one to stay alive wins, or have some escape / wait for rescue condition |
| 14:14.11 | JademusSreg | So is Canabalt, Flappy Bird, Minecraft, et cetera. |
| 14:14.27 | Swordman | you respawn after dead, so it wouldn't make any sense to make it harder and harder |
| 14:14.47 | A1win | ah, so it isn't survival |
| 14:15.47 | Swordman | i don't know how to describe it. You respawn in DayZ too. But it is a survival, isn't it? |
| 14:16.06 | A1win | haven't played it |
| 14:16.12 | A1win | I suppose if you lose your stuff when you die, it is survival |
| 14:16.16 | Swordman | you do |
| 14:16.24 | Swordman | you loose one upgrade-level and all your minerals |
| 14:17.05 | A1win | well, semi-survival anyway |
| 14:22.01 | JademusSreg | "Survive zombie hordes and horrifying inconvenience." Best tagline evar. |
| 14:23.49 | A1win | horrifying inconvenience? |
| 14:24.57 | JademusSreg | But sincerely, I get the impression you have more ambitious ideas but hesistate to try putting in the game, and that's okay; most people feel that way, that succeeding at making something "Okay" is less stressful than the uncertainty of risking falling short of "Awesome". |
| 14:25.35 | JademusSreg | But you can do it, Sword. You can make it awesome, if you just let yourself design -bigger- (and learn all the stuff you need to make it happen). |
| 14:25.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 15:26.43 | JademusSreg | Perhaps my encouragement was not received as intended. |
| 15:32.44 | Teratron | is it possible to continue from a breakpoint ? |
| 15:32.47 | Teratron | debugging |
| 15:33.26 | JademusSreg | F5, iirc |
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| 15:35.18 | Teratron | ok |
| 15:49.33 | JademusSreg | Haha: Assets\Doodads\TIMAppendix\TIMAppendix.m3 |
| 15:52.17 | IskatuMesk | skim that file jade? |
| 15:56.10 | Teratron | jeez storm again ... kernel shutting down |
| 15:57.05 | pirate | ideas for for drawing lines on the ground to show a unit's movement path? |
| 15:57.17 | pirate | Path display has too many limitations |
| 15:57.58 | pirate | can you simply set the attach points for beam actors with actor messages? |
| 16:00.25 | unsafeCoerce | JademusSreg, can you tell A1win, that I will never forget him or her. |
| 16:02.09 | IskatuMesk | you never forget dat ass |
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| 16:07.24 | grim001 | now for keyboard support... |
| 16:34.17 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 16:35.56 | IskatuMesk | dat ass |
| 16:36.15 | IskatuMesk | what are your thoughts |
| 16:37.46 | JademusSreg | Insightful. Provides a needed sense of scope, though not so much a reference for the lore which contextualizes the content. |
| 16:38.12 | IskatuMesk | yeah a bunch of stuff is just omitted that I'll figure out later on |
| 16:38.21 | IskatuMesk | like most of the units |
| 16:38.24 | IskatuMesk | the goatse faction, etc |
| 16:39.19 | IskatuMesk | the lore is somewhat volatile |
| 16:39.20 | IskatuMesk | but immensely silly |
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| 16:48.02 | JademusSreg | Alright, been drafting out shit in the doc, particularly keen in working out a reasonable visual for the deploy that allows it to rotate or otherwise explain its anchored state. |
| 16:48.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 16:50.40 | IskatuMesk | well if it were available, I'd give it magnetic anchors... little metal spokes that jut out up and above, and electrify in a quick snap to signify it's anchored |
| 16:50.44 | IskatuMesk | then withdraw when it moves again |
| 16:50.54 | IskatuMesk | alas, I couldn't ever animate that |
| 16:59.54 | IskatuMesk | also I have the reaper death sounds from ricky |
| 16:59.58 | IskatuMesk | this is going to be incredible |
| 17:10.15 | JademusSreg | I simply assumed EZpeon could rotate while deployed; is that accurate? |
| 17:10.41 | pirate | is it possible to make quads behave like beams (with an impact and launch site) |
| 17:11.15 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 17:11.21 | IskatuMesk | to jade |
| 17:11.29 | IskatuMesk | what is a quad |
| 17:11.53 | JademusSreg | pir, yes. |
| 17:12.27 | pirate | a fancy type of actor, similar to splats (maybe) that are generally used to make targeting lines |
| 17:12.57 | JademusSreg | Mesk, it's an actor for tiling model actors; Swarm campaign uses it for column aoe, but it can be used for all manner of things, including dynamic roads and walls. |
| 17:13.17 | JademusSreg | Nope, doesn't require the model is a splat, that's just conventional for swarm. |
| 17:13.30 | pirate | because I'd really like to use a 2D texture to paint my movement path displays rather than ugly 3d beams |
| 17:13.45 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's doable. |
| 17:15.44 | JademusSreg | I'll sort out the deploy anchorwhatever fx later, difficult to find optimal models. |
| 17:15.52 | IskatuMesk | the game supports dynamic walls? |
| 17:15.57 | IskatuMesk | can they be destructible? |
| 17:16.27 | JademusSreg | Visually, sure; for them to function in game mechanics, they'd need units for each segment. |
| 17:16.35 | IskatuMesk | difficult? |
| 17:16.49 | JademusSreg | Naw. I've already considered an optimal approach. |
| 17:16.59 | IskatuMesk | would certainly be interesting to see |
| 17:18.56 | JademusSreg | Wall segment units which scale by powers of 2 for x and y axes, are placed as the smaller segment, then they can merge, generate qoad actors corresponding to area enum validation. |
| 17:19.17 | JademusSreg | Or, alternately, herd nodes, but that doesn't provide granular enough control. |
| 17:20.00 | JademusSreg | Herd nodes would be fine for non-walls, like big globs of slime, or the zerg stampede sound when a bunch of them are in proximity, and such. |
| 17:25.18 | JademusSreg | Twod insisted on using a less than optimal approach for his pathable+walkable wall+floors, but regarding units it is similar in principle. |
| 17:26.26 | IskatuMesk | what is a herd node |
| 17:28.05 | IskatuMesk | is that my sister's toe |
| 17:29.37 | JademusSreg | Before HotS released, the extensions it made to SC2 were integrated, which included a whole bunch of new data tabs in the data editor, specifically Herd and Herd Node data. |
| 17:32.15 | JademusSreg | Behavior, Actor, and Sound data added fields to reference this new shit, too. |
| 17:33.56 | IskatuMesk | wut it do |
| 17:36.04 | pirate | welp, I made windshield wipers http://i.imgur.com/W1Tusnk.gif |
| 17:36.33 | JademusSreg | Herd defines a kind of herd, which consists of a level threshold list and weighted herd node list that informs the current level of the herd. Was used almost exclusively to generate a trampling stampede sound when large groups of zerg units moved together, the enabled-state and intensity of which corresponded to the herd level, which represented the size of the herd based on the weights |
| 17:36.33 | JademusSreg | contributed by the herd node carrying actors/behaviors/sounds in proximity to one another. |
| 17:36.53 | JademusSreg | pir, that's adorable. |
| 17:37.30 | pirate | how to make them scale with distance between an origin and a host? |
| 17:38.44 | unsafeCoerce | JademusSreg |
| 17:38.52 | unsafeCoerce | it is actually illegal for you to call others than me adorable |
| 17:38.54 | unsafeCoerce | is that quite clear. |
| 17:39.05 | pirate | ~whois unsafeCoerce |
| 17:39.18 | IskatuMesk | a brazilian |
| 17:39.30 | JademusSreg | Think of it as a way of computing the solution to a semi-classic (and rather silly) philosophical problem often phrased as "Suppose you have a pile of sand; how many grains of sand can you remove before it is no longer a pile of sand?" |
| 17:39.49 | IskatuMesk | that just confuses me more |
| 17:40.13 | JademusSreg | No worries Laj, you behave in an adorable fashion, whereas the image, not pir, was adorable. Crisis averted. |
| 17:40.44 | JademusSreg | Alright, consider it an on-the-fly gauge of how large a group of stuff is. |
| 17:42.03 | JademusSreg | brb in a few |
| 17:42.14 | pirate | :( |
| 17:42.32 | JademusSreg | (Use the interim to better define your problem, pir.) |
| 17:43.16 | pirate | click clacks away |
| 17:47.02 | JademusSreg | Alright, I've got a few brief minutes, so vomit forth words. =D |
| 17:48.21 | Merc | bork bork bork |
| 17:48.24 | Merc | wordsss |
| 17:49.29 | JademusSreg | Spork. |
| 17:52.38 | pirate | right |
| 17:53.06 | pirate | had a chance to study the quad and guide region relationship |
| 17:53.28 | IskatuMesk | interns |
| 17:54.23 | pirate | the field hints say that the length of region is based off the host to whatever's specified in the 'Closest To Ref Key' of the Query Persistent |
| 17:55.27 | pirate | what we're trying to do |
| 17:55.58 | pirate | is create a line that connects from where the unit was standing when the line was created to said unit |
| 17:56.05 | pirate | super easy with beams: https://pastee.org/xb7pn |
| 17:57.19 | JademusSreg | Easy, do the same thing. |
| 17:57.21 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:57.23 | pirate | how can I configure a quad/rectangle region to have the same functionality |
| 17:57.29 | JademusSreg | Beams aren't special. |
| 17:58.49 | JademusSreg | The only thing remote special about beams is they, as do tentacles, have an attach bone. The actor data whihc coordinates that shit isn't in any way privileged. |
| 17:58.56 | JademusSreg | Aaand busy. bbl |
| 17:58.59 | pirate | quads and regions cant have HostImpactSiteOps / HostLaunchImpactSiteOps |
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| 18:08.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220) |
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| 18:24.10 | EntityEnigma | can anyone tell me what the best method for adding abilites to a unit is when you start getting over that 32 button limit with your command cards? |
| 18:24.37 | MoonEater | triggers |
| 18:24.41 | MoonEater | infinate abilities |
| 18:24.43 | pirate | :/ |
| 18:24.58 | EntityEnigma | that it? |
| 18:25.11 | MoonEater | all i know is triggers not much data |
| 18:25.19 | MoonEater | so probably not |
| 18:25.24 | EntityEnigma | ok ty |
| 18:25.43 | EntityEnigma | Arcane|Work: there? |
| 18:26.06 | pirate | there is no "add ability to unit" trigger |
| 18:26.19 | pirate | nor can the command card be modified via catalog |
| 18:26.46 | pirate | a good option is item based abilities |
| 18:26.48 | MoonEater | yes |
| 18:26.49 | MoonEater | but |
| 18:27.00 | MoonEater | u can build abilities via trigger |
| 18:27.06 | MoonEater | build most abilities |
| 18:27.23 | MoonEater | and u can trigger then via dialog button and select a target |
| 18:27.40 | Merc | making one unit morph to another unit is only controlled by an ability, right? |
| 18:27.53 | Merc | the other stuff is just visual effects? |
| 18:27.58 | MoonEater | yes |
| 18:30.28 | Merc | hmh |
| 18:30.33 | Merc | my unit disappears for some reason |
| 18:35.12 | MoonEater | did u set ability info+? |
| 18:39.58 | Merc | I've just duped an existing one and switched out the Unit under Info |
| 18:40.07 | pirate | actors yo |
| 18:51.12 | Goa_ | I wonder how many people play Hearstone, it must be millions |
| 18:51.39 | Goa_ | Hearth:) |
| 18:52.52 | pirate | I estimate 7.5m |
| 18:53.02 | Goa_ | how so? |
| 18:53.09 | pirate | :) |
| 18:53.31 | pirate | reddit ratios |
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| 18:56.30 | MoonEater | i tried hearth |
| 18:56.35 | MoonEater | but it was too boring |
| 18:56.39 | MoonEater | maybe as an android app |
| 18:57.00 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 18:57.03 | ArcanePariah | I'm alive |
| 18:57.20 | ArcanePariah | Time to get cracking |
| 18:57.30 | ArcanePariah | cracks knuckles |
| 18:57.33 | pirate | my model (which seems pretty accurate based off of wow/dota2/lol) is total players = reddit subscribers * 54 |
| 18:57.49 | pirate | give or take a few hundred thousand |
| 18:57.59 | Merc | why not factor in the age of the subreddit |
| 18:58.05 | ArcanePariah | Oh pirate, you will very much enjoy the fun thing me and JademusSreg discovered last night |
| 18:58.10 | pirate | hm? |
| 18:58.19 | pirate | why would I factor in the age? |
| 18:58.39 | ArcanePariah | In GUI, you know how there is a Native flag for action/conditions/functions? |
| 18:58.40 | Merc | some subreddits have had time to grow, some are old enough to have other communities |
| 18:58.46 | Ahli | more people that subscribed, but died in the mean time? |
| 18:58.51 | Merc | like wow has lots of communites that break the formula |
| 18:59.17 | ArcanePariah | We finally figured out its purpose |
| 18:59.29 | Goa_ | hehe, all Korean in top 4 wcs Europe: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en |
| 18:59.40 | pirate | 1) we live in the age of internet speed. Age will only factor if subreddit is less than a few weeks old |
| 18:59.51 | pirate | 2) I was lazy and my model works |
| 18:59.59 | pirate | 3) arcane do tell |
| 19:00.11 | pirate | (I *am* lazy) |
| 19:00.36 | ArcanePariah | It is the flag to do GUI wrapping. You can write a custom script function. Then, in GUI, create the function, set its id to be the same in custom script, have the same parameter list, and then set the native flag. Voila, you now have a GUI version of yoru script. |
| 19:00.57 | Ahli | renee does that in gax |
| 19:01.29 | pirate | that's nicer than the workaround |
| 19:01.39 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah have u noticed on fuctions |
| 19:01.44 | MoonEater | in gui |
| 19:01.50 | MoonEater | u can make them native? |
| 19:01.58 | MoonEater | same thing? |
| 19:02.04 | ArcanePariah | It does not make them native. It makes them black box. |
| 19:02.11 | Ahli | like a header |
| 19:02.16 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 19:02.29 | Ahli | but old news, actually :D |
| 19:02.32 | MoonEater | well thats useful |
| 19:02.42 | MoonEater | i may actually do more coding in galaxy |
| 19:02.51 | MoonEater | cause theres a funny break u can do in gui |
| 19:02.55 | MoonEater | thats fucking annoying |
| 19:03.04 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, sure, but even JademusSreg did not know that it did UI wrapping, and thus allows one to make a UI front end to ANY function. |
| 19:03.08 | Ahli | can be used to add GUI calls for sc2's native functions, too, which lack a GUI |
| 19:03.12 | ArcanePariah | Not just blizzard natives |
| 19:03.51 | ArcanePariah | Then I must ask, did Renee's GAX do just that, add GUI calls to all the natives not present in the Built IN lib? |
| 19:04.11 | MoonEater | renee makes ,maps? |
| 19:04.15 | MoonEater | since when? |
| 19:04.29 | Ahli | gax added GUI headers for the new functions contained in gax |
| 19:04.34 | pirate | either ahli/arcane have input on making quad actors scale length without an ability token? Specifically I'm trying to dynamically draw a line between a point and a unit. |
| 19:05.15 | Ahli | ask arc, I don't know that :D |
| 19:06.17 | pirate | Jdog said it was easy, 'just do it like beams' and then became busy |
| 19:07.10 | Ahli | well, did you try using that model in a beam actor ? ;) |
| 19:07.14 | MoonEater | pirate your graphics arnt that good |
| 19:07.22 | MoonEater | make it more like 300 |
| 19:07.24 | MoonEater | the movie |
| 19:07.26 | MoonEater | i want blood |
| 19:08.43 | pirate | I want the 2d textures of quads |
| 19:09.00 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.14 | MoonEater | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xSqLrG-ow |
| 19:09.16 | MoonEater | DO IT |
| 19:10.12 | ArcanePariah | pirate, what event is causing this quad actor to be created? |
| 19:10.57 | pirate | script > send actor message to unit > Create quad |
| 19:14.13 | ArcanePariah | As kludgey as this sounds, it would be straightforward to just set the height field to the distnace between the unit position and the point. |
| 19:14.35 | ArcanePariah | UNless this needs to be adjusted as the unit moves? |
| 19:14.41 | pirate | ..yeah |
| 19:15.26 | pirate | sec, will show example of intentions |
| 19:15.38 | ArcanePariah | In which case, you do want a beam actor, since beams are specifically for actors with a dynamic start and end point. |
| 19:17.23 | pirate | so I need a plane model with appropriate attachment points? |
| 19:19.38 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/VeUgTCv.gif |
| 19:20.11 | pirate | is intended effect |
| 19:20.25 | MoonEater | thats cool |
| 19:20.26 | pirate | hrm, actually I might just use this model |
| 19:20.49 | pirate | no moon, it doesnt have enough blood, it's graphics arnt that good |
| 19:21.52 | MoonEater | just every time they attack |
| 19:22.04 | MoonEater | do slomo and explode some zerglings from the neck |
| 19:22.14 | pirate | there are no zerglings |
| 19:23.05 | MoonEater | what u delete them? |
| 19:23.50 | IskatuMesk | is dat sum lazerz |
| 19:24.02 | pirate | just pathing display |
| 19:24.08 | IskatuMesk | LAZERZ |
| 19:24.21 | pirate | for the Time Stop powerup |
| 19:24.22 | MoonEater | what pathing display? |
| 19:24.46 | pirate | using the Undo ability takes you back to the previous 'dot' |
| 19:24.47 | IskatuMesk | perhaps I shall make some more effects today... hm... |
| 19:25.00 | IskatuMesk | first, this bros animations |
| 19:30.09 | IskatuMesk | there's a bug. ActorX importer is definitely reporting incorrect frame counts for the death animation |
| 19:30.47 | IskatuMesk | nothing I can't apply my face to and roll vigoriously over to fix, though |
| 19:32.37 | IskatuMesk | gif time |
| 19:32.51 | pirate | :D |
| 19:32.51 | IskatuMesk | actually, I'll fix the weapon first... if I can find an easy one |
| 19:32.56 | IskatuMesk | then gif time |
| 19:32.56 | pirate | D: |
| 19:33.02 | pirate | :D |
| 19:34.54 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 19:35.31 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 19:36.53 | IskatuMesk | I really wish this russian site had updated its tera renders past the basics... |
| 19:37.11 | IskatuMesk | I mean.. I could port a wow model... but they will be more work to make look good |
| 19:37.21 | pirate | you mentioned something about modifying texture paths in .m3 file with text editoring? |
| 19:37.34 | IskatuMesk | probably hex editing |
| 19:37.38 | pirate | ah |
| 19:40.32 | JademusSreg | Imagine russian cultural ethos contributes to that. Extract nourishmemt from dirt roots, find joy in grimdark fatalism, near-death as a recreation: "не будь киска." |
| 19:41.00 | JademusSreg | Yes, hex editing. For example: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DerpCircle.7z |
| 19:41.28 | JademusSreg | Customized from the TemplateSplat here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Planes.7z |
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| 19:42.51 | JademusSreg | CE can operate on images, iirc, in case can't get something nice like HexWorkshop. |
| 19:43.20 | JademusSreg | *disk file images (not just process memory) |
| 19:44.29 | pirate | and you put DerpCircle_normal.dds in MahMap.SC2Components/Assets/Textures |
| 19:44.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Arc, most people won't care about the discovery and its details alone, but couple it with an UrNatives.SC2Lib, a demo map perhaps, and a few more people will care. =D |
| 19:45.13 | JademusSreg | Yeah, sounds like something correct. |
| 19:56.01 | Merc | where do I find the error messages of abilities? |
| 19:56.21 | JademusSreg | In the interface. |
| 19:56.28 | Merc | ty ty |
| 19:56.41 | Ahli | validators |
| 19:56.53 | JademusSreg | I assume you mean error feedback when targeting fails, where it displays our outputs. |
| 19:57.18 | JademusSreg | If you mean data execution error, that goes to the error log files. |
| 19:57.39 | Merc | I mean specifically the errors that display ingame when an ability fails |
| 19:57.47 | Ahli | validators |
| 19:57.51 | Merc | or, that wasn't specific :D |
| 19:57.57 | JademusSreg | Also, depends on where the validation fails. |
| 19:58.08 | Merc | Load/Unload ability |
| 19:58.21 | Merc | Validator Result - Failure |
| 19:58.22 | JademusSreg | Target validation prevents targeting, reports an error when clicking anything which doesn't pass validation. |
| 19:58.26 | Merc | "error" |
| 19:58.31 | Merc | hurr |
| 19:58.59 | JademusSreg | Root effect validation prevents the ability/weapon/whatever from executing, without an error report. |
| 19:59.20 | JademusSreg | Validation further in the effect tree generally doesn't prevent execution or return an error. |
| 19:59.45 | JademusSreg | Error messages are, as Ahli stated, in the Validator Error field. |
| 20:00.13 | IskatuMesk | someone mentioned tech swords at some point |
| 20:00.16 | Merc | My Load-Unload ability (which I dastardly duplicated from the command center) says "no scvs found" when it has no Orc Peons around to load. I'm assuming there's a text string for that somewhere |
| 20:00.25 | IskatuMesk | I see some cash shop tera models I could probably very easily rip that fit that description |
| 20:01.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah, pir wants a Transistor-like techstabbything. |
| 20:02.10 | IskatuMesk | we'll see when I try to find a staff here if I can find those too |
| 20:02.44 | IskatuMesk | there's some nice scythe models... wonder if anything I've got can use 'em... |
| 20:03.22 | IskatuMesk | actually I wonder if my version is even up to date with those.. |
| 20:03.38 | pirate | welp my attempts at hex editing failed |
| 20:03.47 | JademusSreg | pir, shall I assist? |
| 20:03.50 | pirate | :D |
| 20:04.08 | JademusSreg | Define the task and send me ze files. |
| 20:04.14 | pirate | pew pew pew |
| 20:05.16 | IskatuMesk | there's the tech weapons |
| 20:05.29 | IskatuMesk | no scythes, I need to update and run a huge re-rip |
| 20:05.29 | Merc | motherfuckery |
| 20:05.37 | Merc | gonna need more hints on the error message |
| 20:05.41 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 20:05.43 | pirate | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wu0ajubp1wwgis/TurnPathDisplay.rar |
| 20:05.57 | Merc | FieldOrc Great Hall - Transport (Combine) |
| 20:05.57 | Merc | Validator: Result - FailureError |
| 20:06.06 | Merc | This value just says "Error" |
| 20:07.23 | Merc | can I make a new value here somewhere? |
| 20:07.37 | Merc | There's a "custom text" field but that feels like cheating |
| 20:07.59 | pirate | https://pastee.org/9hx4q |
| 20:08.03 | pirate | intentions |
| 20:09.43 | pirate | I did what seemed intuitive: opened m3 as hex in HexWorkshop, found all references of desired textures, overwrote with new paths, deleted extra characters (probably the step I fuckered) |
| 20:11.30 | pirate | @merc what do you mean feels like cheating? |
| 20:11.51 | Merc | well it must be pulling the actual error from somewhere |
| 20:11.57 | pirate | yes, the text modlue |
| 20:12.17 | Merc | Rather make a new error message instead of overwriting it |
| 20:12.28 | IskatuMesk | merc, those headphones are pretty good |
| 20:12.30 | Merc | but I'm not gonna whine over it and just use the custom text field |
| 20:12.31 | pirate | so make a new error message in the text module |
| 20:12.34 | JademusSreg | Yeah, most people fuck up string path replacing, but no worries, I'll explain once I finish. |
| 20:12.39 | Merc | Got them already IskatuMesk? Gz |
| 20:12.42 | IskatuMesk | ya |
| 20:12.48 | IskatuMesk | love the noise cancellation |
| 20:12.50 | Merc | Pretty comfy arent they |
| 20:12.51 | IskatuMesk | I can hardly hear the huge fan |
| 20:12.53 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 20:12.59 | IskatuMesk | fit my ears perfectly |
| 20:13.19 | Merc | there's actually no noise cancellation, just good isolation and over-ear fit |
| 20:13.29 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 20:13.35 | Merc | no sound leaks out - no sound gets in |
| 20:13.49 | IskatuMesk | the stereo presence is a lot better than the last I had |
| 20:14.02 | Merc | they've been making that model since like.. the 80s or something |
| 20:14.11 | JademusSreg | Also, pir, gimme something more descriptive to prepend to your files, like something describing who's path or for what purpose. Like "TurnQueuePathblah" |
| 20:14.24 | JademusSreg | Actually, I'll just use that. |
| 20:15.22 | pirate | blame blizzard for generic precedents |
| 20:15.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, when in Rome, burn it to the ground, I always say. |
| 20:16.13 | Merc | While playing the violin |
| 20:16.22 | Merc | or was it a harp |
| 20:17.40 | Merc | damnit, used the custom text field, I still see "No SCV's could be found" |
| 20:17.41 | JademusSreg | Fiddle. |
| 20:17.54 | IskatuMesk | banjo |
| 20:17.55 | Merc | close enough |
| 20:18.01 | pirate | (or make your own error message in the text module) |
| 20:19.08 | Merc | gonna have to try that then |
| 20:24.54 | Merc | holy shit the input lag in the text editor, damn |
| 20:25.09 | Merc | my cpu is working like crazy to edit text |
| 20:27.01 | IskatuMesk | the interns are cackling |
| 20:29.24 | pirate | having interns is one of my life goals |
| 20:33.54 | JademusSreg | pir: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/TurnQueuePath.7z |
| 20:35.22 | pirate | excellent |
| 20:37.04 | JademusSreg | Test it, screen xor gif, fail or success. =D |
| 20:38.53 | pirate | no sphere so improvement over my attempt |
| 20:39.05 | JademusSreg | Assuming I didn't accidentally exceed the alloted address space or break a terminating byte sequence, should work. |
| 20:39.17 | JademusSreg | Also, you're importing textures first, then model, right? |
| 20:39.31 | pirate | thought that was mixed |
| 20:39.31 | pirate | fixed |
| 20:39.54 | pirate | it looks kind of cool with blank textures |
| 20:40.42 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:43.12 | JademusSreg | Need to know if and what fucked up so I may determine why. |
| 20:43.46 | pirate | importing textures first, saving, restart editor, importing m3 |
| 20:43.52 | pirate | no texture still in game |
| 20:45.50 | JademusSreg | Making sure, you noticed I changed all the names? |
| 20:46.06 | pirate | I did notice |
| 20:46.14 | pirate | more descriptive |
| 20:49.53 | JademusSreg | Need some insight into how specifically it isn't working. |
| 20:50.21 | JademusSreg | Didn't leave SC2 client running again? |
| 20:53.20 | IskatuMesk | alright, got another texture job for you |
| 20:53.27 | IskatuMesk | this one should be comparatively simple |
| 20:53.32 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 20:57.33 | IskatuMesk | alright for this guy |
| 20:57.38 | IskatuMesk | the green bits should be red |
| 20:57.41 | IskatuMesk | and then emissive |
| 20:57.53 | IskatuMesk | blood red |
| 20:57.56 | IskatuMesk | bleigh |
| 20:58.13 | pirate | sorry jade, got distracted |
| 20:59.13 | Merc | So I made the new text entry, but I dont seem to be able to change the ID field |
| 20:59.24 | pirate | restarted sc2 still no textures |
| 20:59.34 | Merc | and I can't find the text entry among the choices when I want to specify the error message in the validator |
| 20:59.34 | pirate | gonna start from the top |
| 21:00.35 | pirate | the m3 stays in the TurnQueuePath folder, yeah? |
| 21:02.02 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter. |
| 21:02.09 | JademusSreg | But texture paths are not relative. |
| 21:03.04 | JademusSreg | Can put the model in root, whatever, so long as the textures are in Assets/Textures/ |
| 21:03.21 | JademusSreg | *root/Assets/Textures/ |
| 21:03.43 | pirate | >.> |
| 21:04.23 | JademusSreg | I'm not familiar with the expression intended by that emote. |
| 21:04.24 | Ahli | is it possible to properly connect 2 different nydus transport abilitys? |
| 21:04.51 | JademusSreg | Hm, dunno. I've never attempted. Is there an "Id" field? |
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| 21:05.20 | Ahli | yes, but I run into a weird problems |
| 21:06.19 | Ahli | the second nydus doesn't have the normal nydus' cargo |
| 21:06.37 | pirate | >.> / shifty eyes / sheepishness |
| 21:07.24 | pirate | I had the textures in TurnQueuePath/Assets/Textures |
| 21:07.27 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/ryZlFAi.gif |
| 21:07.32 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: m3 files emitted from 3dsmax record their .max source/build directory. More fun: changing it to random vulgarities. |
| 21:08.06 | JademusSreg | That's cool, too bad I have no useful information. |
| 21:08.23 | Ahli | if a unit enters the second nydus' cargo, it is available in the normal nydus. The first nydus can unload the unit, but it is still within the second nydus' cargo |
| 21:08.26 | pirate | its fixed now |
| 21:08.50 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, possibly need a redirect ability? |
| 21:08.58 | JademusSreg | I note they are white, as are the source files. |
| 21:09.10 | JademusSreg | It's fixed? |
| 21:09.12 | pirate | tint color |
| 21:09.17 | pirate | yes |
| 21:09.22 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 21:09.34 | pirate | without tint color the textureless model had some redish tinted bits |
| 21:09.37 | MoonEater | another day of making games |
| 21:09.39 | MoonEater | wooo |
| 21:09.56 | Ahli | arc no, redirect ability is for ordering units... this is just engine bug with the transport ability |
| 21:10.04 | JademusSreg | Sounds fun., |
| 21:10.29 | JademusSreg | Curious, though, why would this be an issue, Ahli? |
| 21:11.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster purl (~purl@rikers.org) |
| 21:11.42 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 21:11.49 | MoonEater | PURL!!!!! |
| 21:11.55 | MoonEater | U CAME BACK FOR MEH! |
| 21:12.00 | MoonEater | ~seen purl |
| 21:12.00 | purl | purl is currently on #kas (11s) ##ducleague (11s) #sc2mapster (11s) #toruidev (11s) #norganna (11s) #arl (11s) #pegasos.org (11s) #casualti (11s) #openezx (11s) #familysearch (11s) #wowuidev (11s) ##bz-inc (11s) #ud (11s) #hosernet (11s) #curseforge (11s) #dbgc (11s) #linuxfund (11s) #diablofans (11s) #lotrouidev (11s) #dub (11s) #wowace (11s) #waruidev (11s) #riftuidev (11s) #how (11s) ##kierra (11s), ... |
| 21:12.05 | MoonEater | :P |
| 21:13.20 | IskatuMesk | lol jade |
| 21:13.39 | pirate | :( |
| 21:13.54 | pirate | mah source code dignities |
| 21:13.58 | MoonEater | other channels |
| 21:14.01 | MoonEater | ooooooooooooooooooo |
| 21:14.07 | MoonEater | OOoOoOo |
| 21:14.31 | pirate | perhaps you should go explore them |
| 21:15.10 | pirate | we'll miss you |
| 21:15.25 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 21:15.25 | MoonEater | i am |
| 21:15.33 | MoonEater | i can be im multiple places at once |
| 21:15.38 | MoonEater | to annoy multiple people at once |
| 21:15.46 | MoonEater | handle technique when u grasp it |
| 21:15.48 | MoonEater | im like god |
| 21:15.54 | MoonEater | everywere and nowere at the same time |
| 21:15.57 | MoonEater | but thats jade |
| 21:16.01 | MoonEater | and a bully >.< |
| 21:18.25 | Ahli | "unload all" of the normal nydus is able to f*ck up the unit. :D it's still existing as a unit (not hidden, not moved, blocks pathing, invincible) and is moved when it "exits" the nydus |
| 21:19.27 | MoonEater | ~whatis purl |
| 21:19.32 | MoonEater | ~whois purl |
| 21:19.32 | purl | rumour has it, purl is male |
| 21:19.36 | MoonEater | ............. |
| 21:19.57 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 21:20.25 | IskatuMesk | in ricky's map, I had discovered an amazing bug that allowed units to attack out of dead nydus worms |
| 21:21.30 | IskatuMesk | he had some unit that could transport any unit and let them fire |
| 21:21.38 | IskatuMesk | sticking that into another transport still allowed them to fire |
| 21:22.00 | IskatuMesk | he had cloaked hercules and everything in that map, so I made sure that when we revealed it to him, we did so in a way that caused many a rustled jimmy |
| 21:22.17 | IskatuMesk | pretty sure I've got a recording of that in an XXE |
| 21:28.38 | JademusSreg | Ahli, sounds potentially exploitable. |
| 21:29.29 | MoonEater | Torhal wants me to return here |
| 21:29.35 | MoonEater | doesnt like me in his wow channel |
| 21:29.42 | MoonEater | lets see if i can run him around the block |
| 21:30.01 | Torhal | You're freaking people out by splitting your sentences into multiple lines like that. |
| 21:30.06 | Torhal | Nobody in that channel |
| 21:30.08 | Torhal | talks like this |
| 21:30.10 | Torhal | its annoying |
| 21:30.13 | Torhal | as hell! |
| 21:30.21 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:30.57 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 21:31.15 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 21:31.27 | MoonEater | Torhal is a chat nazi over there |
| 21:31.31 | MoonEater | the king puba |
| 21:31.36 | pirate | no, he's right |
| 21:31.45 | A1win | not only annoying, but far too often causes communication problems when people don't realize that a sentence was split on multiple rows and treat them as separate sentences instead |
| 21:32.28 | pirate | especially when most people are here to talk about various editor related ponders and queries and your lines and lines of babble can drown out the rest |
| 21:33.18 | MoonEater | well then im sorry |
| 21:33.55 | A1win | oh no, you don't get to feel sorry! |
| 21:34.49 | MoonEater | me thinks u been talking to bounty too long |
| 21:38.40 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 21:39.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 21:39.20 | Bounty | peow |
| 21:39.29 | MoonEater | bounty |
| 21:39.35 | MoonEater | i think torhal is mad at me |
| 21:39.40 | MoonEater | hides behind you |
| 21:39.41 | Bounty | ? |
| 21:40.30 | Torhal | Bounty: MoonEater found out that purl is on a billion channels, so he joined them all, and keeps saying my name in all of them, So I kicked him from one of the channels I have op in. :D |
| 21:40.45 | MoonEater | u have ops in this chennel |
| 21:41.03 | MoonEater | it was right after i accused torhal of slaughting sheep to send me back from were i came from |
| 21:41.10 | Torhal | o.O |
| 21:41.28 | MoonEater | didnt show up did it? |
| 21:41.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:41.37 | MoonEater | i hit enter right as i got kicked |
| 21:41.56 | Bounty | funny MoonEater... stupid but funny |
| 21:41.59 | Bounty | haha |
| 21:42.04 | MoonEater | Lolz |
| 21:42.09 | Bounty | of course he would be mad at you for doing that |
| 21:42.10 | Bounty | derp |
| 21:42.12 | A1win | you might be surprised byt also IRC is affected by latency |
| 21:42.13 | MoonEater | cant fault him for trying |
| 21:42.45 | MoonEater | OH SHIT WHAT IS THIS THING CALLED LATENCY!!!1 |
| 21:42.49 | MoonEater | never herd of it |
| 21:42.53 | MoonEater | sounds magival |
| 21:43.29 | A1win | it's time magic |
| 21:44.28 | MoonEater | ITS LIKE DOCTOR WHO |
| 21:44.39 | MoonEater | gona need a lantecy tardis |
| 21:44.46 | MoonEater | also, repo is real |
| 21:44.51 | MoonEater | caught him talking in a channel |
| 21:45.28 | Torhal | ...those were commit messages. |
| 21:45.29 | A1win | should make a tardis protocol, you send data to the internet, the tardis picks it up, travels 250ms back in time and delivers it to the receiver |
| 21:46.05 | A1win | the most convenient use of a time machine |
| 21:46.16 | MoonEater | Torhal, comment, what kind, from were? |
| 21:46.33 | MoonEater | A1win, send the data on an infinate curve lolz |
| 21:48.14 | Ahli | interstellar LAN :D |
| 21:48.42 | MoonEater | Torhal, why r u not eveyrwere |
| 21:48.50 | MoonEater | ur not in ##kierra but purl is |
| 21:55.09 | ArcanePariah | So... map making question... is there a way to run a validator in triggers? |
| 22:00.19 | MoonEater | i dont think so, plus its usaly really easy to remake the validator as a if statement |
| 22:00.25 | ArcanePariah | True |
| 22:01.12 | Ahli | what am I doing wrong when changing the model's animation speed is not working? |
| 22:01.38 | Ahli | or is there another way of slowing down the animations of an actor? |
| 22:01.52 | Ahli | I need to negate timescale 5 |
| 22:02.19 | MoonEater | bounty, i need backup |
| 22:02.32 | Bounty | ? for what |
| 22:03.14 | MoonEater | come to riftuidev to help meh |
| 22:03.31 | Torhal | Bounty: He's spamming nonsense in a bunch of channels he knows nothing about. |
| 22:03.38 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, you have tried the actor message to change the local time scale? |
| 22:03.50 | Bounty | lol no thanks MoonEater |
| 22:03.57 | Bounty | your own yer own |
| 22:04.00 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:04.15 | MoonEater | awww |
| 22:04.21 | MoonEater | but its a whole new worlds |
| 22:04.35 | MoonEater | sings aladin |
| 22:04.41 | ArcanePariah | That's the point... stay on one planet please. |
| 22:05.19 | MoonEater | you want em to come back that much :') |
| 22:05.22 | MoonEater | ? |
| 22:05.29 | ArcanePariah | Yes... for the sanity of the galaxy. |
| 22:05.40 | MoonEater | feels appriciated |
| 22:06.35 | ArcanePariah | What is the Expected Life property for a unit? |
| 22:07.07 | MoonEater | what? |
| 22:07.10 | MoonEater | expected? |
| 22:07.22 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 22:08.22 | Ahli | ArcanePariah: I'm testing global time scale actor message now, I didn't see a local one |
| 22:09.26 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, it only lets you set the time scale of a single animation. |
| 22:10.09 | ArcanePariah | There is a field for all animations on an actor (Animiation Blend Time) |
| 22:10.17 | ArcanePariah | So perhaps just a catalog write to that. |
| 22:10.38 | ArcanePariah | Though that's blends... |
| 22:10.41 | Ahli | global time scale seems to work |
| 22:10.43 | ArcanePariah | Not the acutal animations. |
| 22:10.47 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 22:12.05 | MoonEater | Bounty, i learned sooo much |
| 22:12.17 | MoonEater | u should when ur bored go hunt down the purls |
| 22:15.17 | Teratron | wow dialog items are stupid |
| 22:15.21 | Teratron | offset is relative to size |
| 22:15.32 | Teratron | total bs tinkering |
| 22:15.46 | MoonEater | Teratron |
| 22:15.50 | MoonEater | did u know |
| 22:15.57 | MoonEater | theres are loads of communities |
| 22:16.05 | MoonEater | i was just visiting them all |
| 22:16.11 | MoonEater | and some of them were pretty cool |
| 22:16.33 | Ahli | ArcanePariah: global one worked like a charm, thanks |
| 22:16.49 | MoonEater | i strongly suggest in addition to the mapsters u try rooms like wowace and curse and riotuidev |
| 22:17.42 | MoonEater | Teratron? |
| 22:18.41 | MoonEater | ~seen Teratron |
| 22:18.44 | purl | teratron is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 3m 12s, last said: 'total bs tinkering'. |
| 22:18.59 | MoonEater | ~seen Mooneater |
| 22:18.59 | purl | mooneater is currently on #sc2mapster (40m 13s) ##kierra (40m 13s). Has said a total of 247 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen Mooneater'. |
| 22:20.05 | Teratron | ~seen kubi |
| 22:20.05 | purl | kubi <~Kubi@216.sub-174-225-195.myvzw.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 422d 23h 13m 30s ago, saying: 'All on my weekend'. |
| 22:20.59 | Teratron | ~seen makaron |
| 22:20.59 | purl | Teratron: i haven't seen 'makaron' |
| 22:21.11 | Teratron | ~seen italiano |
| 22:21.11 | purl | i haven't seen 'italiano', Teratron |
| 22:21.20 | MoonEater | ~seen Torhal |
| 22:21.20 | purl | torhal is currently on #wowuidev #wowprogramming #sc2mapster #arl #wowace #riftuidev #curseforge. Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 3m 17s, last said: ':/'. |
| 22:22.00 | Teratron | ~seen kueken |
| 22:22.01 | purl | kueken <~Kueken@brsg-4dbbf082.pool.mediaWays.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 107d 10h 57m 3s ago, saying: 'hey'. |
| 22:22.34 | MoonEater | lolz! |
| 22:22.41 | MoonEater | Torhal is mad at me |
| 22:22.57 | Torhal | You're being disruptive to the other channels :P |
| 22:23.32 | MoonEater | first of all #arl is dead has on most days is dead, how can u say im being disruptive if theres nothing but u to distrupt |
| 22:23.32 | Teratron | well i've been thinking where kueken was .. |
| 22:23.40 | MoonEater | its also the source of purl |
| 22:23.48 | MoonEater | i have found the source! |
| 22:24.10 | Torhal | Every channel you've been in so far, as soon as you left people were saying "Who the fuck was that?" |
| 22:24.22 | MoonEater | :P |
| 22:24.28 | MoonEater | not arl |
| 22:24.43 | Torhal | Considering there are five people? You're right. |
| 22:25.07 | MoonEater | its also the end of my search for purl |
| 22:25.11 | Torhal | wonders how #lua or #python would handle you. |
| 22:25.13 | MoonEater | since its the birthplace |
| 22:25.29 | MoonEater | ~seen timriker |
| 22:25.30 | purl | timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 3d 6h 37m 18s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 22:25.32 | JademusSreg | When prescribed play ceases to challenge, frustrates or otherwise disatisfies, subversive play increases. |
| 22:25.35 | Torhal | Erm, ARL is a channel for a WoW AddOn, and has nothing to do with purl except the bot is in the channel... |
| 22:25.45 | pirate | in other news |
| 22:25.46 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/xBGs7jz.gif |
| 22:25.56 | MoonEater | the logs show timriker being there |
| 22:25.59 | ArcanePariah | Outstanding :D |
| 22:25.59 | MoonEater | for some odd reason |
| 22:26.02 | pirate | what thinks |
| 22:26.04 | Torhal | o.O |
| 22:26.09 | Torhal | WHAT logs? |
| 22:26.15 | Torhal | What the hell are you talking about> |
| 22:26.17 | MoonEater | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23arl/ |
| 22:26.32 | MoonEater | more specificaly |
| 22:26.33 | MoonEater | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23arl/20090515.html.gz |
| 22:26.53 | Torhal | Yeah. He joins channels before putting his bot in them. |
| 22:26.58 | Torhal | That log was from 2009. |
| 22:27.01 | Torhal | :P |
| 22:27.07 | MoonEater | PURL!!!! |
| 22:28.11 | ArcanePariah | Anyone else think MoonEater has been in isolation too long? This starting to remind me of Cast Away... |
| 22:28.26 | MoonEater | WILSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:28.29 | MoonEater | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 22:28.38 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 22:28.53 | pirate | y u encourage him |
| 22:28.58 | ArcanePariah | facepalms... |
| 22:29.52 | Deaod | how would one go about acquiring heroes of the storm without being invited to the alpha? |
| 22:29.55 | MoonEater | Torhal++ |
| 22:29.57 | MoonEater | hm... |
| 22:30.04 | MoonEater | purl doesnt like me |
| 22:30.12 | Torhal | ~karma |
| 22:30.12 | purl | torhal has karma of 11 |
| 22:30.13 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's just subversive play, trying to find something which pushes back, which can be pushed. |
| 22:30.14 | MoonEater | Deaod, jade has it all |
| 22:30.19 | Torhal | ~karma MoonEater |
| 22:30.19 | purl | mooneater has neutral karma |
| 22:30.21 | ArcanePariah | Deaod, are we talking game access or files? |
| 22:30.25 | MoonEater | ~karma Torhal++ |
| 22:30.25 | purl | torhal++ has neutral karma |
| 22:30.27 | Deaod | files |
| 22:30.27 | MoonEater | SWEET |
| 22:30.32 | Deaod | dont need to be able to play the game |
| 22:30.53 | ArcanePariah | Welp, me and Jade are in the Alpha, so is Ahli, so maybe a private torrent? |
| 22:30.57 | Torhal | ~karma MoonEater |
| 22:30.57 | purl | mooneater has neutral karma |
| 22:31.14 | MoonEater | nono u can add it |
| 22:31.17 | MoonEater | with ++ |
| 22:31.19 | Deaod | hrm, i suppose i could go for the other torrents available |
| 22:31.21 | MoonEater | or supose to |
| 22:31.32 | JademusSreg | Bnet Games Beta settings gogo |
| 22:31.38 | Deaod | already done |
| 22:32.00 | Ahli | Jade is in alpha? |
| 22:32.10 | ArcanePariah | Oh wait, duh. I can packaged all of it up and let you staight DL it from my amazon instance. |
| 22:32.12 | Teratron | okay guys |
| 22:32.30 | Teratron | anyone knows how to use an int to display percentage |
| 22:32.37 | ArcanePariah | You just need everything from the default install, yeah? |
| 22:32.40 | Teratron | and yes the max number is predefined so it's known |
| 22:32.42 | Ahli | did a mutual friend invite Jade? I wonder if he was invited due to my suggestion :D |
| 22:33.22 | MoonEater | Torhal, i tired to get teratron to go to some of the channels |
| 22:33.25 | MoonEater | but nooo |
| 22:33.25 | Teratron | convert INT to Percent ? |
| 22:33.34 | Torhal | Thank fuck, |
| 22:33.34 | Deaod | ArcanePariah, yes, that would be awesome |
| 22:33.40 | pirate | tetratron what do you mean |
| 22:33.42 | MoonEater | Also Torhal, i found purls source code |
| 22:33.43 | JademusSreg | It's certainly possible. I was only aware I had access because I received an email survey asking about my experience with the game. |
| 22:33.48 | Torhal | Yay? |
| 22:33.50 | MoonEater | need linux tho |
| 22:33.55 | MoonEater | poopy! |
| 22:34.05 | Deaod | cygwin? |
| 22:34.05 | Teratron | well pirate, i have an integer and i have the max number the integer can go known |
| 22:34.25 | Teratron | the integer is dropping as gameplay goes down, now i would like to reverse that and start at 0% to 100% |
| 22:34.31 | MoonEater | Deaod good idea |
| 22:34.35 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty, let me setup an FTP server, and install the game. |
| 22:35.01 | MoonEater | but ill need to load sql |
| 22:35.04 | MoonEater | im too lazt |
| 22:35.06 | MoonEater | gg |
| 22:35.13 | pirate | ...an integer is a variable that can by any whole number |
| 22:35.35 | Teratron | yeah it's a variable that keeps dropping from 459 to 0 |
| 22:35.45 | pirate | okay... |
| 22:35.53 | pirate | what does this have to do with percentages? |
| 22:36.01 | Teratron | i want to display it in text in a percentage form |
| 22:36.05 | Deaod | teratron, you need a "fixed" variable |
| 22:36.06 | Teratron | in a dialog label |
| 22:36.16 | Deaod | fixed being the type |
| 22:36.27 | pirate | IntToFixed(Variable) |
| 22:36.28 | Teratron | forgot what that means :p |
| 22:36.35 | pirate | they're called reals in GUI |
| 22:36.46 | Teratron | oh okay that's more familiar |
| 22:37.04 | ArcanePariah | Man I love AWS |
| 22:37.07 | Teratron | but ... is this required for percent conversion ? |
| 22:37.23 | Teratron | because i don't have un-whole numbers |
| 22:37.50 | pirate | what is 100 / 11 |
| 22:37.50 | Teratron | it's a count of objects, the number can never be floating point |
| 22:38.08 | Teratron | okay okay |
| 22:38.22 | Teratron | what about reversing it ,so 459 means 0% ? |
| 22:38.33 | pirate | 1 - BlahBlahBlah |
| 22:38.52 | Teratron | ofcourse the percentage can use the floating point ofcourse |
| 22:38.58 | Deaod | so you have two variables, a and b |
| 22:39.29 | Teratron | yeah |
| 22:39.45 | Deaod | percentage is 100 * a / b |
| 22:39.55 | Teratron | well no wait |
| 22:40.12 | Teratron | i have only one variable with the max number known, because it's predefined |
| 22:40.29 | Deaod | okay, so b is the predefined number |
| 22:40.29 | Teratron | so B is the max number then ? |
| 22:40.47 | pirate | StringToText(FixedToString(100 * (1 - (IntToFixed(VARIABLE)/349)), 2)) |
| 22:40.55 | pirate | **459 |
| 22:41.27 | Teratron | okay now to decode that for UI ... |
| 22:41.55 | pirate | String To Text, Fixed To String, etc all have same names in GUI |
| 22:42.22 | MoonEater | ~whois pirate |
| 22:42.22 | purl | So forgive me my rough mood unaccustomed to sue; I woo not, perhaps, as your landlubbers do. |
| 22:42.39 | Deaod | somewhere along the way you should probably add a "%" in there |
| 22:43.23 | pirate | note that the FixedToString requires a number for however many decimals to show |
| 22:43.53 | pirate | where 2 would be 100.00 |
| 22:44.39 | Teratron | so the variable A needs to be Real and not INT anymore ... ? |
| 22:45.20 | Teratron | i use a separate variable for text |
| 22:45.42 | Teratron | i already do other calculations, updating with the int variable, the source |
| 22:45.44 | pirate | if A is an int and B is a fixed then percent is 100 * IntToFixed(A) / B |
| 22:45.57 | pirate | er |
| 22:46.18 | pirate | well, yeah, in GUI thats necessary |
| 22:46.33 | Teratron | the variable A cannot be a Real because it's a count of objects, it's not any caluclation |
| 22:46.46 | Teratron | it can be but i'll never have a floating point |
| 22:47.10 | pirate | I'm not sure what youre trying to communicate |
| 22:47.21 | Teratron | why is this so hard to understand |
| 22:47.23 | Deaod | floating points dont exist in SC2 |
| 22:47.33 | pirate | IntToFixed is necessary to so that PERCENT can be a real/fixed number |
| 22:47.41 | Teratron | what does that suppose to mean ? |
| 22:47.59 | Teratron | okay i need to go and look what a floating point means then |
| 22:48.14 | Teratron | im talking about the DOT that makes a number like 10.99 |
| 22:48.27 | Teratron | of what the hell floating point means |
| 22:48.29 | Torhal | That's a floating-point number. |
| 22:48.42 | Deaod | again SC2 doesnt have floats |
| 22:48.49 | MoonEater | they r called reals |
| 22:48.52 | MoonEater | simular |
| 22:48.57 | Deaod | it uses fixed point arithmetic |
| 22:48.59 | pirate | (actually called fixed) |
| 22:49.30 | Teratron | called fixed but i never use that because it doesn't make any sense to me, i don't know what's "fixed" about them |
| 22:49.39 | Teratron | it's a 15 year old context and vocabulary |
| 22:49.49 | pirate | you're 15? |
| 22:49.53 | Teratron | nope |
| 22:49.54 | pirate | theyre called real's and GUI |
| 22:50.09 | Teratron | okay fine that's not the issue |
| 22:50.14 | Deaod | int FixedToInt(fixed a) {return a>>12;} |
| 22:50.20 | MoonEater | YES IT IS THE ISSUE |
| 22:50.23 | Teratron | the issue here is why can't you understand what im trying to say with layman terms ? |
| 22:50.23 | MoonEater | Bounty |
| 22:50.47 | pirate | StringToText(FixedToString(100 * (1 - (IntToFixed(VARIABLE)/459)), 2) + "%" ); |
| 22:50.50 | Torhal | Programmers typically know programming terminology. |
| 22:50.56 | Torhal | You want help? Learn the fucking language. |
| 22:51.22 | Teratron | fine appreciate it |
| 22:51.53 | Teratron | but they keep saying about fixed and reals while im trying to say i that my number doesn't use a floating point so why do i need to use fixed/real anyway ? |
| 22:51.57 | Torhal | Well all you're doing instead of looking up what these things mean is saying how you can't understand what is being said. |
| 22:52.40 | Teratron | well not that im not looking it's raw code and i don't get it, i only know ui |
| 22:52.45 | pirate | and we're telling you, that because you want to calculate a percentage, you need to use the function IntToFixed |
| 22:52.59 | Teratron | but i appreciate the help and i'll have to figure out the rest myself |
| 22:53.05 | MoonEater | My question for pirate and torhal, is why are you trying todo this in galaxy instead of gui? |
| 22:53.23 | pirate | the only difference in this case is a few spaces between the words |
| 22:53.43 | Deaod | and replacing Fixed with Real |
| 22:53.49 | pirate | ^^ |
| 22:54.19 | pirate | so in gui it would look like |
| 22:54.41 | MoonEater | pirate, nono, u missed the point. teratron has no programming background, doesnt know what arrays are how ifs work or anything, and u want to show him how todo somthing in a way that has the potential of causing more errors and problems. |
| 22:55.04 | MoonEater | sounds like creating more work |
| 22:55.11 | pirate | Set variable TEXT to String To Text( Real To String( 100 * (1 - (Integer To Real(VARIABLE) / 459 ) ), 2 ) + "%" ) |
| 22:55.12 | Teratron | those issues were sorted already mooneater |
| 22:55.19 | Teratron | the lane targeting is working now |
| 22:56.12 | pirate | You have to start learning somewhere |
| 22:56.35 | pirate | I also have no programming background |
| 22:56.56 | pirate | other than basic html/css, galaxy is the only 'language' I know |
| 22:57.17 | MoonEater | pirate, that place is probably hello world, in an school enviroment, with a structured learning plan |
| 22:57.29 | MoonEater | but i hope the dabloons good |
| 22:57.36 | Teratron | actually i'll need to split up the calculations pirate |
| 22:57.37 | MoonEater | he owes u like what 10? |
| 22:57.46 | pirate | he's now at 0 |
| 22:58.05 | pirate | you don't HAVE to split up the calculations in GUI |
| 22:58.11 | pirate | but it would be easier to read |
| 22:58.21 | MoonEater | and not screw up syntax |
| 22:58.25 | MoonEater | or do syntax |
| 22:58.32 | MoonEater | pirate is pasting it all |
| 22:58.33 | MoonEater | XD |
| 22:58.48 | MoonEater | got to put his name next to yours |
| 22:58.57 | MoonEater | in credits |
| 22:59.11 | pirate | everything I've 'learned' about programming has been from the forums (these ones) and IRC |
| 22:59.12 | Teratron | because i use a separate variable for text output that feeds the dialog labels, the text variable is changing all the time and i have hundreds of cases, i still only finished it 10% but there are 100 of them right now .... so i need a few proxy variables and another trigger to be responsible for conversion |
| 22:59.49 | Teratron | hundred of Set Variable actions |
| 22:59.56 | MoonEater | pirate, dedication |
| 23:00.04 | Teratron | currently i have them all set to IntToText(variable) |
| 23:00.40 | MoonEater | i sat in a classroom with a teacher who made us program somthing only to say at the end "start over and this time do it better" |
| 23:00.40 | MoonEater | XD |
| 23:00.55 | pirate | and you use GUI |
| 23:01.03 | pirate | teratron, it sounds like you have a lot of work to do |
| 23:01.16 | Teratron | mhm ,,,, |
| 23:01.16 | MoonEater | what, u want me to use galaxy? |
| 23:01.22 | Deaod | MoonEater, you wouldnt believe how often ive looked at old code of mine and wanted to retroactively strangle myself |
| 23:01.28 | MoonEater | YES |
| 23:01.28 | pirate | I dont care what you do |
| 23:01.29 | MoonEater | SAME |
| 23:01.34 | MoonEater | BROTHER I FEEL U!!1 |
| 23:01.43 | Ahli | doesn't every programmer feel like that? |
| 23:01.51 | MoonEater | :'( |
| 23:03.07 | Deaod | yes, Ahli |
| 23:03.10 | MoonEater | like i took data structures multiple times for different languages |
| 23:03.23 | MoonEater | and i come back to code i write recently and go... |
| 23:03.24 | MoonEater | wtf |
| 23:03.43 | Deaod | why would language matter for data structures? |
| 23:03.58 | Deaod | if it matters, i dont think the course has the right focus ... |
| 23:04.01 | MoonEater | it doesnt |
| 23:04.13 | MoonEater | but u can tank into |
| 23:04.16 | MoonEater | take* |
| 23:04.28 | MoonEater | intro to the language or datastructures of the language |
| 23:04.34 | MoonEater | if ur a programming specialize |
| 23:04.47 | MoonEater | and u dont want to be stuck in the kiddy class most of the time |
| 23:05.35 | MoonEater | although for Java they had c++ corse C which is a 4 week class into java |
| 23:06.06 | Deaod | i dont think i understand that sentence |
| 23:06.41 | MoonEater | theres a course CSIS10A,B,C for C++ the C class teaches java instead |
| 23:06.46 | MoonEater | b is datastructres |
| 23:07.08 | MoonEater | however u could take csis20a,b for java |
| 23:07.35 | MoonEater | or csis30a,b, for python and linux |
| 23:08.16 | MoonEater | so if ur a program specialization u take abcb and a for php and sql |
| 23:09.42 | MoonEater | so u end up recovering datastructures |
| 23:09.44 | MoonEater | alot |
| 23:12.27 | pirate | naptime |
| 23:15.20 | Merc | bit on the large side: http://i.imgur.com/04q5trs.jpg |
| 23:16.58 | MoonEater | Merc, now i admitibly found warcraft to be greatly inferior to starcraft and was very sad when they went ahead and continued creating more inferior wc stuff untill they finaly release sc2. but why do people keep wanting to put wc stuff in starcraft. |
| 23:17.08 | MoonEater | like the most asked question ever was mining trees |
| 23:17.46 | Merc | I liked warcraft |
| 23:17.56 | Merc | I also liked starcraft |
| 23:17.59 | Merc | a combination might be fun |
| 23:18.17 | MoonEater | oh u mean like more races? |
| 23:18.36 | Merc | Adding Horde, Alliance, and Undead as races |
| 23:18.56 | MoonEater | but isnt there and issue with axes being inferior to sci-fi space guns? |
| 23:19.07 | Merc | tru dat |
| 23:19.11 | Merc | but magic! |
| 23:19.30 | ArcanePariah | MoonEater, Warcraft was considered interesting because of it's hybrid nature (RPS). |
| 23:19.31 | MoonEater | but peons dont have magic nore the base axe throwers and such |
| 23:19.56 | ArcanePariah | It was quite new to include RPG components into an RTS game at the time. |
| 23:20.00 | Merc | neither do most of the zerg units |
| 23:20.12 | Merc | never was a huge fan of wc3 myself |
| 23:20.31 | Merc | I only plan to reskin sc2 into wc |
| 23:20.39 | Merc | same playstyle as sc2 |
| 23:20.44 | Merc | no creeps, no heroes |
| 23:20.47 | Merc | no xp |
| 23:20.55 | Merc | only rts |
| 23:22.12 | MoonEater | ya but it might be important to give a reason why a knight is comparable to a marine |
| 23:22.14 | MoonEater | or somthing |
| 23:22.27 | MoonEater | bullets>arrorws and such |
| 23:22.35 | Merc | magic m8 |
| 23:22.46 | Merc | wizards and shit |
| 23:24.09 | MoonEater | well even for the archers and soldiers |
| 23:24.14 | MoonEater | magical arrows? |
| 23:24.22 | MoonEater | then alright! |
| 23:24.31 | Merc | their arrows have +1 scifi penetration |
| 23:24.37 | Merc | ezpz |
| 23:24.55 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 23:25.05 | MoonEater | is pwned by this |
| 23:25.39 | MoonEater | u should do that right at the begining of the game force the player to do +1scifi penetration |
| 23:25.41 | MoonEater | XD |
| 23:25.52 | Merc | I can include it as "tip of the day" or something |
| 23:27.11 | Merc | any space marine that doubts the orcs is gonna have to argue with the arcanite reaper in his face |
| 23:27.23 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 23:27.32 | Merc | daboo |
| 23:28.18 | MoonEater | u should add a dummy behavior that says +1scipenetration |
| 23:36.19 | MoonEater | ~whois Unsafecoerce |
| 23:36.25 | MoonEater | uhoh |
| 23:36.31 | MoonEater | ~seen unsafecoerce |
| 23:36.32 | purl | unsafecoerce is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: 'is that quite clear.'. |
| 23:37.24 | MoonEater | ~seen JonesFK |
| 23:37.25 | purl | MoonEater: i haven't seen 'jonesfk' |
| 23:37.43 | MoonEater | ~seen Fisker |
| 23:37.43 | purl | fisker is currently on #wowuidev #sc2mapster #wowace #riftuidev, last said: 'They didn't give beta keys out to regular people znf'. |
| 23:38.05 | MoonEater | ~seen Earth-Fury |
| 23:38.07 | purl | MoonEater: i haven't seen 'earth-fury' |
| 23:38.31 | MoonEater | ~Seen grum |
| 23:38.31 | purl | grum is currently on #wowuidev #sc2mapster #wowhead #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'even for the thing i have'. |
| 23:38.48 | MoonEater | ~seen Trigger0jk |
| 23:38.48 | purl | i haven't seen 'trigger0jk', MoonEater |
| 23:39.11 | MoonEater | ~seem Tomura |
| 23:39.16 | MoonEater | ~seen Tomura |
| 23:39.16 | purl | tomura is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: 'The first place winner will participate in a video conference with select members of the StarCraft II development for an intimate chat about all things game development.'. |
