IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20140703

00:11.57piratejade come be impressed
00:33.55JademusSreg?
00:34.15JademusSregAh, niiice.
00:37.55Bountywhat is that supposed to be pirate?
00:41.22piratenova krumping: http://giant.gfycat.com/BlackEcstaticAdder.gif
00:42.40pirateit's a (not even remotely data driven) turn planning display made from extensive layout use
00:43.01piratebut dont spoil that on my forum post
00:43.15BountyI won't lol
00:44.33pirategreen bars w/ arrows is turn spent moving, the big blocks are placeholders for abilities (larger blocks mean an ability that costs more)
00:45.04pirateit's for a power up and/or turn based game mode
00:45.26pirateoh, @Iskatu you gave me an idea for a powerdown
00:45.40pirate"[19:56] <IskatuMesk> you are well on the way to null0 [19:56] <pirate> placeholder names [19:56] <IskatuMesk> or a CLEVER DISGUISE"
00:46.17piratethat obfusticates your abilities
00:46.30JademusSregbrb
00:46.35pirateshuffles them and replaces icon and name with null()
00:51.56BountyHow the fuck are lightning strikes setting off my fire alarm
00:51.57Bountylol
00:54.27IskatuMesklol
00:56.42BountyLooks like that scene from war of the worlds outside >.<
01:17.08JademusSregBounty, ionized particles?
01:17.54Bounty*shrug*
01:19.01RepoNew announcement: Devil's Divide - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/devils-divide/
01:32.44*** join/#sc2mapster Mooneater (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220)
01:32.56Mooneaterhola
01:32.59Mooneaterneed helps
01:33.02Mooneatermissing zolden
01:38.52Mooneaterwell shit
01:39.10Mooneaterthey dont have 3ds 2011 for download anymore
01:39.13Mooneatertoo old
02:01.41*** join/#sc2mapster purl (~purl@rikers.org)
02:01.41*** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl
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02:10.27MooneaterBounty
02:10.38Mooneater~seen bounty
02:10.47purlbounty is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: '*shrug*'.
02:11.04Mooneater~seen bounty
02:11.04purlbounty is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: '*shrug*'.
02:11.11Mooneaterwhy no time?
02:11.17Mooneater~seen MoonEater
02:11.17purlmooneater is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen MoonEater'.
02:11.46Mooneater~seen Ahli
02:11.46purlahli is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: 'it should have rainbow colors'.
02:11.58MooneaterAhli!!!
02:13.27Bounty?
02:13.50Mooneaterfeeling better bro?
02:14.58Bountyhuh?
02:15.12BountyI didn't know I was sick
02:15.13Bountylol
02:15.29Mooneateroh u seemed mad yesterday somthing about a stewox?
02:15.34Mooneaterwere is he anyways?
02:15.48BountyI don't even....
02:16.01Bountyhe left about an hour ago
02:16.18Mooneaterso
02:16.20Mooneaterbounty
02:16.25Mooneateri need u
02:16.29Mooneateri has questions
02:16.33Bountyshoot
02:16.48Mooneaterfor example https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5yua21gfmuzgy5/spell%20bug2.png
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02:17.41Mooneaterhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/n6zogbx8veju19l/Spell%20Circle.png
02:17.44Mooneatersee the difference
02:17.53Mooneateranything partually transparent is killed
02:17.56Mooneaterhorrifically
02:18.39BountyI don't see anything in the second picture
02:18.41Bountyits blank
02:20.15Teratronhere i have it http://i.imgur.com/ItX0rsU.jpg
02:22.38MooneaterBounty its white on transparent
02:22.44Mooneateru need a black background
02:23.47pirateblackground?
02:24.11Mooneaterya..
02:24.14Mooneatersure
02:24.18Mooneaterits depressing me
02:25.15pirateI dont understand the question
02:25.16Mooneaterwhy no partial transparacies
02:25.22Mooneatermakes no sense
02:25.31piratewhy do you link a transparent image on a white background
02:25.53Mooneatercause its to be imported into sc2
02:26.00Mooneaterwhich isnt a white background
02:26.20pirateright, alpha
02:26.32piratewhats the problem in game?
02:26.54Mooneaterhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/e5yua21gfmuzgy5/spell%20bug2.png
02:27.01Mooneaterits either fully transparent or not
02:27.04Mooneaterno inbetween
02:27.11Mooneaterno partialy transparent
02:27.22pirateah, read your post
02:27.30Mooneateryep
02:27.41pirateare you compressing the dds?
02:27.48Mooneaterno
02:28.19pirateI would rety in gimp
02:28.24pirate*retry
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02:28.27pirateactually
02:28.33Mooneaterit was made in gimp
02:28.46piratethought you converted in aorta
02:28.57Mooneateroh u mean convert in gimp?
02:29.03pirateyes
02:29.11Mooneaterwhich plugin do u use?
02:29.24piratepretty sure theres only one dds plugin for gimp
02:29.35piratehttps://code.google.com/p/gimp-dds/
02:30.07pirateI mean, it's clearly possible since several flat/splat models use semi transparent textures
02:30.15pirate@arcane did you see my pretty?
02:32.36Mooneaterrecommend a format?
02:32.48pirate...dds?
02:32.58Mooneaterya i know
02:33.09piratedon't compress
02:33.17Mooneaterand format?
02:33.25Mooneaterdewfault?
02:33.29pirateyeah
02:37.11Mooneaterpirate, nope
02:37.47piratethe dds looks fine in the editor image viewer though?
02:38.09Mooneateryep
02:38.27pirateand then youre slapping it on a model?
02:38.51Mooneateryep
02:38.57Mooneatersame model as the link
02:39.18piratethen I suspect the model isnt configured for alpha textures
02:39.28Mooneaterhow would i do that
02:41.04pirateno idea, not a modeller
02:41.15piratewhat you COULD do
02:41.36pirateis use one of the various methods of placing your texture on a splat
02:41.53pirateif that doesnt work throw your computer out a window
02:42.07Mooneateri wish i experiemented more with splats
02:42.12Mooneatergot a forum link?
02:42.12pirateare you familiar with TextureSetById?
02:42.19Mooneaterthats what im doing
02:42.20Mooneaternow
02:42.23pirateok
02:42.27pirateeasy
02:42.44piratejust use the ProtossDecal as the base model
02:42.57Mooneateroh...
02:42.59Mooneaterlolz
02:42.59pirate(chosen because I know it handles alpha just fine)
02:43.24pirate(there are separate splat actors that could work too, but this is simpler)
02:44.13pirateO.O the HighlightLocal actor event came from heroes
02:44.21pirateI just realized
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03:04.20Mooneaterkeeps makign circles :/
03:04.22Mooneaterlolz
03:04.24Mooneater*tinkers*
03:20.39grim001arrgh
03:20.50grim001I've been doing the boring, tedious work... I want to jump ahead to illumination
03:21.48TeratronGUYS!
03:21.52Teratronimportant question
03:22.16Teratrondo variables keep updating, those that simply are set up for counting stuff in a region
03:22.30TeratronVar1 = count of units in region owned by player X
03:22.43Teratronor do they stay the same from init ?
03:23.36Teratronif so, how do i make them refresh
03:25.27Ahlivariables don't update themselves magically
03:25.48Teratronoh hehe thanks!
03:26.02Teratronjeez that went over my mind randomly
03:26.31Teratronbut i think i quickly realized i just need a loop with 1 second periodic event ...
03:26.39Teratroncorrect ..?
03:26.43Teratronto be sure
03:41.50grim001if you want to check how many units are in an area every 1 second, then yes
03:42.29Teratronok
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04:32.55Bounty~whois Jademus
04:33.26Mooneaterthe universe has imploded
04:39.10Mooneaterbounty
04:39.18Bounty?
04:41.01Mooneaterthese textures r pissing me off
04:41.08Mooneaterdepressed
04:49.40Teratron~whois mike tyson
04:50.09Teratron~whois hulk hogan
04:50.28Teratron~whois jessee ventura
04:50.33Teratronnothing ...
04:50.43Teratron~whois ron paul
04:50.43purlGod.
04:50.47TeratronHAHAHAHAHAH
04:50.55Teratronwin!
04:51.38Teratron~whois barrack obama
04:51.44Teratron~whois obama
04:51.45purlrumour has it, obama is a communist
04:52.37Teratron~whois osama
04:52.57Teratron~whois hillary
04:52.57purl[hillary] see pole hugger, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xb3bDwE9jQ&NR=1
04:53.14Teratron~whois clinton
04:53.14purlfrom memory, clinton is the best president we've had since george bush, dammit! or the only president we've had since george bush, dammit! or the Pants Dropper in Chief or the guy blowing away small countries or the president whose staff continues to classify cryptographic software as munitions or a shitty human being or stupid or in control of nuclear weapons or a psychopath, or clit-ton
04:53.41TeratronBwaghagaga
04:54.13Teratron~whois napolitano
04:54.18Teratron~whois reno
04:54.22Teratron~whois janet
04:54.22purlhmm... janet is Just Another None Existant Terminal.
04:55.09Teratronpurl what is ecoscience
04:55.09purlTeratron: what are you talking about?
04:55.36Teratronpurl what is tin-foil
04:55.36purlTeratron: I think you lost me on that one
04:55.49Teratronpurl what is the secret of the universe
04:55.49purlI think you lost me on that one, Teratron
04:56.13Teratronpurl who is putin
04:56.13purl[putin] the nice, hyper-democratic, peace-loving, freedom-of-speech-and-print-loving president of Russia
05:01.53Teratronpurl what is fluoride
05:01.53purlI think you lost me on that one, Teratron
05:02.05Teratronpurl who is lolek
05:02.05purlTeratron: I think you lost me on that one
05:02.17Teratronpurl what is metroid
05:02.17purlmetroid is, like, for some of us it still does, or 'for some of us it still does'
05:02.34Teratronpurl what is metroid prime
05:02.34purlTeratron: what are you talking about?
05:02.41Teratronpurl who is metroid
05:02.41purlmethinks metroid is for some of us it still does, or 'for some of us it still does'
05:02.49Teratronpurl stop it
05:02.49purlACTION leaps to his feet and stops it
05:03.07Teratronpurl execute command 009
05:03.20Teratronpurl execute 007
05:03.28Teratronpurl give me a break
05:03.28purlACTION gives a break to teratron
05:03.43Teratronpurl what is topgun
05:03.43purlTeratron: what are you talking about?
05:04.03Teratronpurl you are stupid
05:04.03purlI think you lost me on that one, Teratron
05:05.03Teratronpurl who is merkel
05:05.03purlTeratron: I think you lost me on that one
05:05.12Teratronpurl  what is nonsense
05:05.12purlTeratron: I think you lost me on that one
05:05.34Teratronpurl what is stargate
05:05.34purlstargate is, like, superior to every other television show in existence.
05:05.48TeratronAHAHAHAH LOLOLOL
05:06.01Teratronbig fan of stargate and i agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:06.24Teratronpurl what is starcraft
05:06.24purlThe St. Arc Raft is the name of that boat that guy used to get off that island.
05:07.51Teratronpurl who is woman
05:07.51purlrumour has it, woman is do a 'man woman' (apt-get install funny-manpages)
05:08.09Teratronpurl who is devil
05:08.10purl<Kathie Lee Gifford> I've come for teratron's sole
05:08.25Teratronpurl it's soul
05:08.47Teratronpurl who is border patrol
05:08.47purlTeratron: what are you talking about?
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05:10.33Teratronpurl borderpatrol is changing diapers of fat mexican illegal moms who are being paid and loaded on death trains to be shipped deep into the united states, while obama jokes about his pies containing crack
05:10.34purlTeratron: okay
05:11.04Teratronpurl who is borderpatrol
05:11.04purlborderpatrol is probably changing diapers of fat mexican illegal moms who are being paid and loaded on death trains to be shipped deep into the united states, while obama jokes about his pies containing crack
05:11.32Teratroncongratulations purl
05:11.41Teratronpurl thanks
05:11.41purlgern geschehen, Teratron
05:14.19Teratronpurl what is c&c
05:14.19purlI think you lost me on that one, Teratron
05:14.31Teratronpurl what is russia
05:14.31purlsomebody said russia was red, or cold
05:14.45Teratronpurl what is mind control
05:14.45purlTeratron: what are you talking about?
05:14.50Teratronpurl who is cia
05:14.51purlsomebody said cia was a CVS/Subversion/git commit notification bot run on #commits among other channels, originally by scanline, http://cia.vc/, or the Central Intelligence Agency, but the bot is more important. ;)
05:18.37Teratronpurl where is tora bora
05:18.38purlTeratron: I think you lost me on that one
05:19.08Teratronpurl who is vicky
05:19.08purlTeratron: what are you talking about?
05:19.25Bounty....
05:19.35Teratronpurl who is thomas jefferson
05:19.36purlI think you lost me on that one, Teratron
05:19.40Bountywalks away slowly.....
05:20.00Teratronwhy slowly
05:20.08Teratronyou sad ?
05:20.13Teratroncheer up
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05:31.13Zoldenfight obamatron to save the world!
05:31.26Teratronhaha
05:31.27Bountylol
05:32.02Teratronhere he is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUp0XhQ8idw
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05:40.53MoonEaterBonty i need rotation help
05:41.12MoonEaterdriving me nuts
05:41.12MoonEaterlast 2 days have been very difficult for some reason
05:41.18MoonEateror Zolden
05:41.21MoonEaterZOLDEN!!!
05:41.56BountyWhats up MoonEater?
05:42.21MoonEatertrying to get a unit to spin using site operations
05:42.25MoonEaterbut no luck yet
05:42.40MoonEateri dont know terribly much abotu site operations
05:43.03Bountyspin around a unit or the unit itself spins?
05:43.44MoonEateritself
05:43.48MoonEaterspell circle
05:46.31MoonEaterBounty?
05:46.57Zoldenin unity it's easy to spin objects
05:48.09Bountyits a unit right MoonEater?
05:50.50MoonEateryes, bounty
05:50.53MoonEaterping me
05:50.55MoonEaterlolz
05:50.57Bountyok
05:51.00Bountycreate an actor
05:51.14BountySite Operations (Rotator)
05:51.22BountyPArent CActorBase
05:51.35MoonEaterjust rotar?
05:51.38MoonEaterrotator*
05:51.46Bountyyes
05:51.48MoonEaterthats it?
05:51.52MoonEaterreally?
05:52.08Bountyno
05:52.11Bountynot done yet
05:52.30BountySet the Initial Angle to 0
05:52.49Bountyand Local Axis to 0.0, 0.0, 1.0
05:52.59Bountyset to rate to like 90 or 180
05:53.02Bountythe rate*
05:53.23Bountyand disable hold position and hold rotation
05:53.33Bountythen add it to the units site ops
05:56.25MoonEaterBounty
05:56.28MoonEaterur amazing
05:56.34Bountyit worked?
05:56.37Bountylol
05:56.39MoonEaterdont let anyone tell u differently
05:56.53BountyNah, Thank Ahli
05:56.56MoonEaterwhy ahli?
05:56.59BountyHe showed me how to use that actor the other night
05:57.02Bounty>.<
05:57.04MoonEaterLOLZ
05:59.12Zoldenwhat are you talking about?
05:59.17Zoldenis it somse sort of mapmaking?
06:10.51MoonEaterBounty
06:11.03MoonEateralright how do i color via actor?
06:15.17BountySet Tint Color
06:15.22BountyActor Creation
06:15.31Bountyor you can send the message in triggers if you want
06:17.48MoonEateroh...
06:17.49MoonEatermaybe
06:17.54MoonEaterthis is fine
06:17.57MoonEaterbeautiful
06:17.58MoonEaternow
06:18.09MoonEateri just need to fix that damn transparancy shit
06:18.18MoonEaterdid u see that bounty?
06:36.05MoonEaterbounty
06:38.42Bountyyes?
06:39.57Bountyoh, yeah I saw that from earlier... no idea on that one
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06:54.14qumanhawkq: I'm creating a trap that when an enemy walks over it, it freezes them and destroys the trap. What effect would I use to destroy the trap?
06:55.07qumanhawkAbility: Create unit, unit has trap search effect, when search finds enemy, it applys behavior to the enemy. But how do I destroy the trap
07:05.17qumanhawknvm just needed a damage effect that target the source unit
07:08.35MercMoonEater: found out about that texture bug you had?
07:08.45MercTeratron: you rang?
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07:28.50qumanhawkwhats the difference between scaled and unscaled damage dealt fields?
07:33.44MoonEaterif they are affected by multipliers
07:33.52MoonEaterif u have a item that gives x2 dmg
07:34.04MoonEaterunscaled damage would not be affected
07:34.09MoonEaterbut scaled damage would be
07:34.10Mercdoes your dds file have a proper alpha channel MoonEater?
07:34.24MoonEatermerc, yes
07:34.35Mercthat png looked all funky
07:34.48MoonEaterneeds back background to show it
07:34.53MoonEaterwait
07:34.56MoonEaterwhich png?
07:35.08Mercthe one you linked up there
07:36.06Mercyou're making a m3 splat with that spell circle as texture right?
07:36.20MoonEaterno
07:36.23MoonEaterm3 unit
07:36.24Mercoh
07:36.30MoonEaternot splat
07:36.43Mercfunky
07:36.43MoonEaterunits let me sort it through triggers easyer
07:36.59MoonEaterand since this one is a spell circle
07:37.15MoonEaterill need to lock onto it and play with it all over the damn place
07:40.53Mercwell it looks like you dont really have a proper Alpha 1 channel in there
07:41.02Mercgive this a try? https://www.dropbox.com/s/izqw5buqkmbrf8l/Spell%20Circle.dds
07:41.18MoonEatersure
07:44.04MoonEaterMerc no change
07:44.20Mercpeculiar
07:44.29MoonEateri was cruisin the forum
07:44.35MoonEaterit may be somthing with the model
07:44.45Mercdo you have some weird blend mode on maybe
07:45.00MoonEateri wouldnt know
07:45.08MercI would just make a new model with a projector on it
07:45.29MoonEatersee i've dont some work with models
07:45.41MoonEaterbut i wouldnt know how to put a projector on it
07:45.57Mercpart of art tools, sc2projector I think it was
07:45.59MoonEaterin the forums they were saying about editing blend setting and teamcolor
07:46.12MoonEaterhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/15633-transparency-alpha-masks/
07:46.48Mercwell the alpha is by default a team color
07:47.08Mercyou have to set the texture to treat it as alpha yourself
07:47.47MoonEaterthat kinda went over my head
07:49.35Mercin a normal standard texture, the alpha channel will not actually give transparency, but paint a team color there instead
07:49.55Mercyou gotta set the texture mode to Mask and whatnot
07:50.11MercI'm at work right now so this is all from memory
07:50.21Mercand it might also be wrong since I am a newbie :P
07:50.49MoonEaterwell thats done in art tools right?
07:50.52Mercyea
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07:52.47MoonEaterya dont know how todo that
07:53.42Mercwell, I'll be able to help in about 10 hours maybe
07:54.32MoonEaterwell then i go to sleep
07:54.34MoonEaterits 1 am
08:00.59IskatuMesk1am? smells like mid day to me
08:06.12IskatuMeskhttps://i.imgur.com/wD15rZ4.gif
08:11.51Bounty4:11am here :)
08:37.27qumanhawkdid someone still need alpha channel help?
08:37.45qumanhawkdaara explained it to me a while ago how to set it up correctly in 3dsmax
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09:27.34Teratronyeah merc too late again ... sorry ...
09:28.06Teratronmorning
09:28.12Teratronjust worke up
09:28.29BountyI wonder if there is a desirable amount of power up types a game should have.
09:29.08BountyOr is this one of those things that has no limit, like a "More the merrier" thing.
09:48.59IskatuMeskwill greatly depend on if they actually contribute meaningfully
09:49.52BountyWell, they will be stackable
09:50.24Bountyand will also be random as well.
09:50.35BountyNo camping your favorite power up spawn :)
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11:14.54ZoldenGoa__: do you remember, how much time it took to dl and install sc2?
11:16.21Bountynight all
11:18.33Goa__itt all depends on your isp:D
11:18.55A1winit's about 14 GB, takes ~20mins at 100 Mbps
11:19.23Goa__fuck you:)
11:19.43A1winI don't have that :D just last time I installed it was on that connection
11:19.53A1winon a friend's PC
11:20.01A1winI used to have it though :( but then I moved
11:20.09A1winnow I'm back at 2M
11:20.18A1winerr
11:20.24Zoldenit doesn't even install, throws an error
11:20.33Goa__hehe, I am at 5M
11:21.06A1winactually 10M I think
11:21.13A1winforgot already
11:21.22Goa__speedtest.net
11:22.14Goa__http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3601656034
11:22.21A1win13.69 Mbps
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11:22.42A1winI guess it's supposed to be 24 but the lines are so bad
11:24.56Teratronhello
11:24.58Teratronguys
11:25.10Teratronis it okay to have several while lopps inside a while loop ?
11:25.20A1winyes
11:25.28A1winin general
11:25.31Zoldenoh, it shows 59 mbps for me
11:25.38Teratronwill they syncronise updating ?
11:25.44Zoldendidn't know it's fast so
11:25.47Teratroneven tho it's not needed just asking
11:25.47A1win?
11:25.55A1winwhat updating
11:26.15Teratronwell each while loop when it executes keeps checking ... there's probably a little difference right ?
11:26.25A1winyou're thinking about it wrong
11:26.41Teratronbecause the main trigger has this whole code under a while loop as well without any waiting etc
11:26.50A1winwhile loop is just a loop that executes stuff inside it in sequence
11:27.16Teratronokay no i was afraid the main while loop would execute too quickly for the insiders to finish ... i don't want to make more than 1 trigger instance
11:27.53A1winugh, you really should learn the basics of computer science before doing any complex stuff with triggers
11:28.34Teratroni need to keep checking conditions so that's why i used while
11:28.51A1winyou can keep checking conditions in any loop
11:29.03A1winfor example by an if-then-else statement
11:29.04Teratronthe wait for condition is kind of weird with the time delay set because the main trigger is under while
11:29.19Teratronwell
11:29.20A1win"wait for" conditions are horrid
11:29.32Teratroni think i sensed that and avoided
11:29.46Teratronem, this is a realtime system so that's why everything needs to be updating ...
11:31.56Teratronthe main thing is, the variables that the insider while loops check for are being calculated just above them
11:32.01A1win(I still have no idea what you mean by "updating" but I'm thinking I probably don't even want to)
11:32.10Teratronyou think that can be separated for better effect ?
11:32.35A1winyou ask me questions as if I knew what your code looks like / I can read your mind
11:32.45Teratronthe main while loop i think does not need to keep re-executing all those while loops right ?
11:32.54Teratroni told you
11:33.00Teratronthe trigger is a while loop
11:33.07A1winnot in enough detail
11:33.13Teratroninside it there's some ifs that caluclate a local variable
11:33.35A1win"trigger is a while loop" doesn't even make any sense :\
11:33.35Teratronafter the ifs there are 10 more while loops checking those variables
11:33.55A1winsounds like a really inefficient solution
11:33.57Teratronyes it doesn't have an event, first action is a while loop, what's the big deal ?
11:34.15A1winyour explanations don't make sense
11:34.18Teratronlook i have no idea, i just need to calculate some stuff to get what i need and im not waiting, im doing it out of my mind
11:34.21A1winI can't read your mind
11:34.47Teratronthere's nothing to it I already told you everything, i can still go into more detail
11:35.13Teratroni aksed for an advanced sorting system yesterday
11:35.13A1winyou told me everything in a language that I don't understand
11:35.27Teratronnobody could helped me so i started doing it myself
11:35.54Teratronthere is a sorting system on sc2mapster called bubble sort, but it is RAW galaxy and is not configured for what I need
11:36.18Teratroni didn't get help how to configure it and how to connect with it with UI
11:36.26Teratronbecause i don't know raw galaxy
11:36.59Teratronhow hard is to understand a trigger with the first action being a while loop without conditions ?
11:37.34Teratronwhat you don't understand, start using common sense instead of programming indoctrination
11:37.40Teratron1 looo
11:37.44A1winyou say that as if you had explained it in that way before I asked for more details
11:37.45Teratron10 loops inside it
11:37.52A1winall you said was "the trigger is a while loop"
11:38.18Teratronbecause that was shorter
11:38.27A1winand it doesn't make sense
11:38.35Teratroni thought you would understand
11:38.55Teratronhey
11:38.57A1winthere's a lot of that going on here
11:39.17Teratrondoesn't make any sense really means that you know what im talking about but you don't agree with it
11:39.36Teratronwhich doesn't really help me ... because i don't know why it doesn't make any sense
11:39.43A1winno, it means that I had no clue what you meant by it before you explained it in more detail
11:39.59A1winit doesn't make sense because it could mean more than one thing
11:40.05Teratronwhy do you keep saying it doesn't make any sense then, if you don't know what im talking about ?
11:40.21A1win?_?
11:40.22IskatuMeskI am rock hard
11:40.23Teratronno it doesn't
11:40.44Teratrona trigger with the first action being a while loop is only one unique thing
11:41.33A1winthat's now that I'm confused about
11:41.41Teratronwhy
11:41.50A1winI'm trying to say that you need to start explaining your shit in more detail in general
11:41.53A1winnot just about this one thing
11:42.02Teratrondid i said action definition, did I said custom script
11:42.03Teratroni said
11:42.07TeratronTrigger
11:42.11Teratronname trigger
11:42.16Teratronin the UI
11:42.27A1winhaha
11:42.29duckiesteratron
11:42.32A1winwhy are you still explaining that
11:42.33duckiesjust debug that stuff
11:42.36Teratronnobody's talking about anything else, if i was, i would have noted that
11:42.58duckiesif resulted variables are just as expected -> your stuff works >.><
11:43.32Teratronso if you click on the UI Button "Trigger" and you click on "Action" button, and you search "loop" and you choose "While" then you get a while trigger
11:43.47Teratronwhat on earth else can it mean :P
11:43.53A1winI don't even.
11:44.23Teratronduckies, there's nothing to debug, i didn't build anything yet
11:44.37duckiesooh so it's just a theorethical question?
11:44.48A1winit's perfectly clear when you say "the first action in this trigger is a while loop" but "the trigger is a while loop" makes you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about and could mean any number of things
11:45.08A1wini.e. doesn't make sense
11:46.20Teratronwhat do you think duckies, is it okay to have 10 while loops inside a while loop, or i should separate them, but the trigger doesn't have any event, will the trigger keep working in real-time thanks to the while loops, the first while loop calculates some local variables, the 10 secondary while loops keep checking the above variable conditions ... and this has to keep looping all the time so it keeps refreshing the variables
11:47.06duckiesif trigger doesn't have any event, how will it run? do you launch it through some other trigger?
11:47.15Teratronofcourse i do
11:47.27A1windo you even know how a while loop works, sounds like you're using it like an if-then statement
11:47.40A1winbut can't be sure because you haven't explained it
11:47.55Teratronyeah, just to pull the looping feature out of it :)
11:48.15Teratronthere are a lot of ifs and elses calculating stuff, this is just the top of the tree
11:48.29duckiesare they nested, or it's just 10 individual loops in a loop
11:48.39duckiesmeh, I think you'l be fine
11:49.06Teratronno these are not nested because i use them as a switch, even tho really i could make a giant switch ... i forgot about that
11:49.23duckiesyou'll probably be fine
11:49.50duckiesunless there are waits in there, everything should go smooth
11:49.50Teratronthey don't even have to be in the big loop if they will keep working, because all the code has to keep refreshing because the calculations are output to a scoring system
11:50.00Teratronno waits
11:50.30duckiesso, you are just wanting an endless loop to constantly update something?
11:50.46Teratronyeah, calculating some basic integers
11:51.08Teratronbut i thhought i could make a switch udner a while loop separately from the main while loop
11:51.28A1winto get proper help, you should explain your problem as a design, not as an attempted implementation
11:51.29Teratronthe main while loop produces first batch of local variables required for the next 10 while loops
11:51.48Teratroni told you the design
11:51.53Teratronvariable sorting
11:51.57A1wintell us what you want it to do, don't tell us what you have tried to do
11:52.02IskatuMeskA1win my design is to summon the devil
11:52.08duckiesyou know, if you have a dozen of loops without wait all running every game tick, it might eventually cause problems
11:52.27Teratronthat's the problem i sensed that's why i came here
11:52.33duckiesanyway, just go do what you want to do, you'll learn and gain understanding by experience
11:53.21Teratronheh
11:53.33Teratronthe main question im just trying to be sure is
11:53.50Teratronthat if i run the trigger once, and it doesn't have events, will while loops keep running forever ?
11:54.05duckiesis loops conditions specify so
11:54.15A1wina while loop runs until its condition becomes false, and then breaks
11:54.16duckiesloop runs as long as it's condition allow it to
11:54.22duckies^
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11:54.40Teratronnot all the loops will run at the same time
11:55.05A1winif you have a while loop inside a while loop, execution of the parent loop will wait until the loop inside it has finished execution
11:55.06Teratronbut it's happening quick ... in 3 seconds, 3 different loops activate
11:55.39Teratronit's just updating the variables, which contain a count of objects in a specified region
11:55.45Teratronneed to keep updating that all the time
11:56.05Teratronbut this is not the refresher, it's a comparison
11:56.15Teratroni have the refresher separate trigger
11:56.56Teratronthat was great advice a1win thanks
11:57.35A1winthat's the general way that computer programs work
11:57.58A1wineverything executes in the order that they are written in
11:58.19A1winbut then there are threads and coroutines and stuff that breaks that rule
11:58.21Teratronthis is simple and it doesn't contiain waits so that's why i wasn't worrying about that, however, i actually don't need it refreshing so fast ... 2 seconds would be okay, while loops work as fast as possible tho
11:58.32duckiesgo make a test endless loop and see how it works out for you. after sc2 freezes and crashes, go add a 0 second wait to that loop. aster you've understood what just happened, modify wait time to suit your needs :D
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11:58.45A1winyou should do it once every 0.0625 seconds
11:59.00A1winno reason to make it execute slower if it's something that needs to be constantly updated
11:59.14A1win0.0625 (game time) seconds is the game tick
11:59.27Teratronit doesn't need to be that fast
11:59.38A1winif a script can't execute in 0.0625 seconds, it will give a script error that execution took too long
11:59.55Teratronthat's at least good to let me know yeah
12:00.25A1winwaits will hold its execution over game ticks
12:00.28Teratronduckies what would 0 second wait do technically ?
12:00.37Teratronjust curious
12:00.50A1win0 second wait is 0.03125 seconds, it causes the loop to execute twice every tick
12:01.04A1winthat's the smallest amount of time that wait can "wait"
12:01.21Teratronah interesting ... didn't knew that
12:01.27A1winit will actually execute twice in a row without delay
12:01.31A1winbut only twice per tick
12:01.35A1win(which is 0.0625 seconds)
12:01.36Teratrontwice every tick, how much without wait 0 ?
12:01.48Teratron4 times ?
12:01.52A1winif you have no waits, it will execute infinitely and gives you a script error
12:02.11A1winunless the loop is broken before it takes too long
12:02.34Teratronthis 0.0625 is an engine thing or a phsyical CPU limitation ?
12:02.42A1winengine thing
12:02.44A1winscript engine tick
12:02.54Teratronah okay
12:03.15A1winusually 3D engines run on about 0.01 to 0.02 second ticks or such, at least Unity does
12:03.17Teratronfastest script engnines ... ?
12:03.36A1winit's not about the script engine but the whole game
12:03.45Teratronhoh ...interesting
12:03.46A1winscript engine without anything else could run insanely fast
12:04.15Teratronbut it's still script, it's not c++
12:04.31Teratronso what would the engine code run fast ?
12:04.38Teratronjust curious, side issue
12:04.40A1winactually an engine tick is basically your framerate
12:04.47A1winif your frame rate is 60, that means 60 ticks per second
12:04.50Teratronnah
12:04.51A1winor frames
12:04.53A1winrather
12:04.55Teratronthose days are over no ?
12:05.02Teratronframe rate dependant game speed ...
12:05.03IskatuMesknope
12:05.10IskatuMeskstill quite common
12:05.27A1winit gives a minimum limit to game speed
12:05.32A1winerr, maximum
12:05.52A1winof course programs are made so that they take the time it took to execute the frame into account
12:05.52IskatuMeskleads to all kinds of amazing bugs in lag for most games too
12:05.58Teratronmakes me remember call of duty 2 jumping and 333 fps
12:06.09Teratron125 fps trick ...
12:06.20IskatuMeskhalo PC for example looked at fps for netcode update
12:06.30Teratronand there were some more but i forgot
12:06.32IskatuMeskif they lagged the physics engine thought they were moving with that much more physics velocity
12:06.39IskatuMeskso they could project vehicles across the map at light speed
12:07.45A1winanyway, SC2 synchronized stuff runs at 0.0625 second game ticks, which is 0.044643 real-time seconds at "fastest" game speed
12:07.57IskatuMeskand of course a lot of games like C&C3 will just slow all of their calculations down as the fps lowers
12:07.58A1winwhich is 22.4 ticks per second
12:08.25A1winbut stuff like actors (models, sounds) and other asynchronous stuff (camera, selecting units) runs much faster
12:09.39A1winso if you want something that updates on every tick (i.e. constantly), just make a Repeat Forever loop that has Wait 0.0625 in the end
12:10.08A1winhave only 1 of those in your map and everything will run smoothly as long as you don't do too heavy computing inside that loop
12:11.05IskatuMeskdo bullies have serious cpu impact?
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12:20.41ZoldenGoa_: u had any issues with installing sc2 on win8?
12:22.38Teratronok
12:25.27Teratronso instead of  doing 10 whiles
12:25.33Teratroni can do 1 while and 1 switch
12:26.07Teratronchecking same variable, just different ints
12:27.53Teratronactually i don't need a secondary while then anymore ...
12:28.07Teratronit's just crude, i keep figuring out as I go
12:30.40Teratrondoes a switch keep working as a while too ?
12:30.47Teratronas a loop ?
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12:32.56Zoldencrap, can't install sc2
12:33.07Zoldentried everything their support sugested
12:33.28Teratronerror ?
12:34.00Teratroni dealt with these things too ... but i fixed em
12:34.22Teratronsometimes old patches wouldn't install, reinstalling from scratch
12:34.36Teratrontheir updating system bugged a bit
12:35.19Teratroneach update was a hotfix-like so they tried compacting it so it broke some stuff imo
12:35.25Zoldeni'm trying to install from scratch
12:35.42Teratrontell me the error
12:35.58Zoldenhttps://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/BLZPTS00001
12:36.02Teratroni think you'll have to download off-line patch setup
12:36.11Teratroni think i remember that i had to do it
12:36.23Zoldeni don't need patches, because i don't have sc2
12:36.53IskatuMeskall a man needs is hello kitty island adventure
12:37.26IskatuMeskonce I build my doom clock out of cat heads then you will see the genius of well-refined coffee
12:37.44IskatuMesksc2 is for nerds
12:37.53Teratronyou haven't installed the DVD version yet ?
12:38.22Teratroniskatu do you drink coffee ?
12:38.30IskatuMeskyes
12:38.38Teratrondo you live in usa ?
12:38.51IskatuMeskbasically USA
12:39.08Teratronformer usa then
12:39.13Teratronokay, which fema region ?
12:39.15IskatuMeskkanada
12:39.18IskatuMeskjust more conservative
12:39.21Teratronjust kidding :p
12:39.29IskatuMeskand warm
12:40.26Teratronanyways dunno if you get free shipping there but try this coffee http://www.infowarsshop.com/-Coffee_c_84.html
12:40.57IskatuMeskactually... shipping from US to canada is more expensive than from japan to canada
12:41.05Teratroni get one bag of it in a few weeks because it's shipping over atlantic :p
12:41.38IskatuMeskfema?
12:41.45Teratronactually it's shipping one week but i count it as 1 month because there's some detours before it gets to me , long story ...
12:41.48IskatuMeskif I had money I would be tempted
12:42.09IskatuMeskthose look amazing though
12:42.46Teratroni'll have to answer that question in query iskatu ...
12:42.53Teratronanyways
12:43.01Teratronit's just one bag for trying
12:43.09Teratrondoesn't mean you need to buy a bunch of it
12:43.37Teratroneven tho you may not like the taste the quality is high and pesticide-less
12:48.16Teratronhttp://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6101610138
12:54.03Teratronsomeone said it fixed the issue for him by enabling secondary logon
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13:01.14ZoldenGoa_ u here?
13:02.01Zoldenabruptly unducks duckies
13:02.50duckiesnooooOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoes
13:03.00duckiesducks
13:03.18Zoldenunduckly abrupts duckies
13:03.59duckiesabducks unruptly
13:06.33Zoldenso, anyone else tried to install sc2 on win 8.1 and failed?
13:11.14Goa_I am here
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13:11.50Goa_I heard some one failed before, but I had no problem at all installing to win 8.1
13:11.52ZoldenGoa_ u had problems with installing sc2 on win 8?
13:11.58Zolden;/
13:12.02Zoldeni tried everything
13:12.29Goa_do you have administrator privileges and latest updates?
13:12.54Zoldenyes, I runned as administrator
13:13.09Zoldenalso, this windows updated itself a couple of weeks ago
13:15.07Goa_still check for windows updates and latest video driver
13:28.11Zoldeni'll better check why obama ruining esports
13:28.57Goa_how?
13:31.32Zoldenby being a nigg
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13:51.58Mercwb Zolden
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13:54.42Merc:o
13:58.14Zoldeni'm leaving again
13:58.34Mercwimp
13:58.57IskatuMesk:0
13:59.04DustinGood get out of here noob
13:59.08DustinTits or GTFO!
13:59.25Zoldeni'm as noob so even failed to install sc2
13:59.39Dustinlolol
14:01.15Mercharsh
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14:12.12piratehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXoZsgNHquM&feature=kp
14:14.27piratehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/editor-bugs-and-feedback/68287-access-to-player-specific-options/#p1 is interesting
14:15.38Mercforce ultra graphics!§
14:16.01Mercforce mature filter off, force teen settings off
14:16.09Mercharass your usersssss
14:16.16A1winget banned
14:16.26Merccreative use of game mechanics
14:16.33Merceditor mechanics*
14:17.03pirateI forsee uses in my hacking themed mod
14:17.49Mercmight cause loading screens and messing up the map though
14:18.02Mercbtw, considering hacking
14:18.32Mercwould it be possible to detect of for example a user clicks on something he's not supposed to be able to click in the game?
14:18.53Mercwould be hilarious to out a really stupid maphacker in the mod or something
14:19.45piratesome of my things only work because the actual buttons are placed somewhere 'unclickable'... o.O
14:20.19Mercwell I'm thinking in my mod which is just gonna be an rts
14:20.39Mercif a user clicks on a constructiing building to see what it is, even though it's supposed to be hidden by fog of war
14:20.51Ahlithe code in that thread doesn't compile
14:20.58Mercthat's 100% a maphacker isnt it
14:21.01pirategg
14:22.22Ahlifixed it
14:22.30piratewp
14:28.21Dustinmerc, thats what SC1 used as map hack detection in custom games :P
14:40.44Teratrondo you guys want to see my little pony ?
14:41.18Teratronhttps://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10447025_10152151340156759_1164831942582698228_n.jpg
14:42.04Ahliso, it is able to show the graphic options menu and it's working :D
14:42.29Ahliand select options as he pleases
14:42.55Ahliand shove a big ok screen in the face of the player, so he has to change it
14:42.59Ahli*shoves
14:43.14piratehide with fade transparency?
14:43.31Ahliwat?
14:43.38pirate"try and change your options NOW feeble user"
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14:57.55Arcane|WorkGood morning, and I thought that was known lol
15:01.34Arcane|WorkNot sure why the thread poster for the UI thought it wsa crude/not planned for Blizzard to implement everything in UI XML and added hookups to let players change anything and everything?
15:02.09Arcane|WorkNot to mention, you can detect any player graphic setting fairly easily with actors
15:02.24pirateI think his point was that devs an force graphic (and other settings) on players this way
15:03.00Arcane|WorkYes? Not seeing the issue. Blizzard directly exposed many settings already that you can force (Alert Display, Simple Command Card, etc.)
15:03.02Ahlibut can you get the settings into triggers, arc?
15:03.57Arcane|WorkAhli: Sure, why not? Simply have a trigger attempt to create a series of actors, and each actor has aterm corresponding to a check for a given graphic setting. Whichever actor succeeds in creation, set a flag.
15:04.33Ahlihow do you check which one succeeds?
15:05.37Arcane|WorkCheck for null actor? If that doesn't work, purposefully make the actor throw an error of some kind (use a bad model) and check for the error being thrown?
15:06.37AhliafaIk you can't check actors properly... e.g. it's possible to have actor variables that only have an actor for certain players (gax has that capability)...
15:06.56Ahliso, if you could check that, you would desync the game
15:07.50AhliafaIk, it's impossible to get hold of actor stuff in triggers for a player and get that graphics information
15:08.35Ahlibecause you would desync the game once you use it (and tinker with data that the game periodically checks... since desyncs are not really happening, I assume sc2 is still checking that)
15:09.19Arcane|WorkMaybe I phrased it poorly. You are correct, there is no direct way to get that data. I'm proposing an indirect way. Have an actor with a term for each possible graphic setting. Since a term must be true for the actor to be created at all, attempt to create each actor in triggers. If the actor is created at all, the term passed and that setting must be true.
15:10.20Ahliahh, you could make an actor for a unit with the wrong settings and then the player has to click on it (right settings don't have the unit actor and unit cannot be selected)
15:10.25Ahlik, that would work
15:11.37Ahli"If the actor is created at all, the term passed and that setting must be true." the problem is getting that knowledge back into triggers. But what I just proposed can work.
15:11.44A1winthat sounds overly complicated considering you could just do "create actor; if (actor != null ) { do something }
15:12.09AhliA1win: if that would be possible a1win, you can desync games
15:12.18AhliI don't expect that to be possible at all
15:12.24Arcane|WorkA1win: that's what I was originally proposing, Ahli is saying that would cause desyncs
15:12.49A1winmaybe it does?
15:12.57piratesuch interesting spawned discussion topics
15:13.10Ahligax has a feature to make a variable refer to an existing actor only for specified players
15:13.14Arcane|Workfires up VM, TESTING TIME!
15:13.30A1winactually the actor probably gets created and then just doesn't show up for that specific player
15:13.37A1winbut dunno
15:14.04A1winAhli, that's the flyer helper trick
15:14.14A1winor..?
15:14.30Ahliyou can make that effect using that, yes
15:14.33A1winI thought it just sends player-specific actor messages
15:15.06Ahlito destroy the other players' actors in that variable, yes. that should be how it works
15:15.33AhliI guess the actor variable points at some construct that exists regardless of the actor really existing or not.
15:15.47A1winmaybe
15:15.51Ahliand the construct eventually points at a real actor or not
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15:26.56Arcane|Workspies a crazy duck
15:27.03Arcane|Worksup duckies :D
15:27.20duckiesHey pariah =D
15:28.05duckieseverything is going smootly, I have not done a single sc2 related thing in months, except for playing some maps :3
15:28.10duckies*smoothly
15:29.51duckieshm goa_
15:29.58duckiesdid you beat platform escape?
15:30.03Goa_nope
15:30.05Goa_wanna play?
15:30.12duckiesyeah, it's nice
15:30.19duckiesmaybe in 1h?
15:30.24duckiesyou'll be free then?
15:30.35duckiesI kinda need to prepare dinner first
15:30.41Goa_k
15:35.59Arcane|WorkHmm... do real work, write guide for UI XML, or work on NOTD 2... decisions decisions
15:39.55IskatuMeskwork is for nerds
15:42.54pirateGIMMEH MAH HORIZONTAL BUFF BAR
15:45.53IskatuMesksmooth alpha transition and sc2 seem to have a hate-hate relationship
15:52.33IskatuMeskfantastic
15:52.39Goa_duckies so?:)
15:52.51Goa_duckies getting fat?:)
15:53.19duckiesoh shit, I went ahead and watched some errant signal videos
15:53.25IskatuMeskjust gotta make normal/specular/gloss maps for him
15:53.27duckiesshit shit shit, need to go boil water D:
15:53.42duckiespuffs away
15:54.19IskatuMeskhttps://i.imgur.com/q2J2NLF.png
15:55.01IskatuMeskgotta isolate the orange parts somehow so I can make them emissive
15:55.17Goa_duckies 4 in da lobby:D
15:58.19duckiescoming goa_
15:58.58duckieswhoa, that is a real pretty thing there iskatu
15:59.29duckiesreaper of souls I presume?
15:59.47Jademus=D
16:00.22IskatuMesklineage 2
16:00.46IskatuMeskgot some leg work to do with its textures
16:01.18IskatuMeskremember the madness titan jademus?
16:01.21IskatuMeskthat's what this will be
16:01.38JademusSweet.
16:02.47IskatuMeskgot a few interesting animations
16:02.53IskatuMeskdefinitely will need a cleaving attack
16:03.39JademusEmissive is easy; how many materials is the model using?
16:03.51JademusOr more accurately, how many does it define?
16:03.52IskatuMesk3
16:03.53piratewhere has the Sreg gone :O
16:03.58JademusHaha
16:04.06Arcane|Worklol
16:04.14IskatuMeskJademus has assumed his superhero form once more
16:04.18IskatuMeskdonning the tights and cape
16:04.30Arcane|WorkNah, He just gone Super Saiyen on us
16:04.37JademusSregAll black, of course.
16:05.13Arcane|WorkBtw, thanks for the credit pirate (in the UI thread thingy)
16:05.27JademusSreg???
16:05.29piratehrm, where?
16:05.36Arcane|WorkIt was 3 weeks ago, but I just read it
16:05.50Arcane|WorkThe UI HP bar
16:05.53pirateoh, my shiny simple hp bar
16:05.54pirateyeah
16:06.04piratewell, I wouldn't have figured it out without you and jade
16:06.24piratedespite being laughably easy once you understand it
16:06.29JademusSregAs for the material, I can take the diffuse, fuck with it in photoshop, make it glowy in the correct parts.
16:06.44Arcane|WorkSuch is the way with most programming: Difficult at first, trivial and powerful later.
16:07.00pirateTry to fathom the number of trigger based health bars live on battlenet right now
16:07.20pirateand now I am sad
16:07.23JademusSregpir, that's generally how technical understanding operates. Which isn't the same thing as technical labor, of course.
16:08.07IskatuMeskalright
16:08.07IskatuMeskone moment
16:08.07Arcane|WorkMostly stems from a fundamental difficulty of programming, in that each part of a code is unique. Consequently, the size of a perfectly written program scales linearly with complexity, which is quite different then most labors.
16:08.23Arcane|WorkMost things have the complexity scale less then linearly with size.
16:08.31IskatuMeskI'll put the 3 textures onto lolbox
16:08.32pirateImma make an easily configurable unit status bar for my assets pack one of these days
16:08.41JademusSregkk
16:09.15Arcane|Worka 20 store vs 30 story building are fundamentally quite simialr from a engineering point of view, with only some variation of some variables (load being the main one).
16:09.22JademusSregI'll make the orange parts emissive -sometime- today. My agenda for this evening has yet to materialize.
16:09.27piratelol, yes
16:10.13Arcane|WorkWhich is somewhat obvious once you realize it is trivial for software to design buildings, but non trivial for software to design software.
16:10.51Arcane|WorkHence why our tools still are cumbersome, and CAD is insanely common. Someone once said that Minecraft is not a game, but a very very gamefied CAD program :D
16:11.07JademusSreg"Lolbox" is a good name; gonna rename it. =D
16:11.24IskatuMesk:3
16:11.36IskatuMeskanyways I've listed out close to a hundred units like that one I can possibly use
16:11.41Arcane|WorkWhich, frankly, is about right. A gifted mine craft person would, with proper domain background, be able to utilize CAD rather effectively
16:11.52IskatuMesknothing that suits zerg or terran though, which need units
16:12.23IskatuMeskmostly for the new factions or heroes
16:12.42IskatuMeskthis guy will need some particularly exotic abilities thought up for him
16:12.58JademusSregWell, the java is all there, so feel free to make minecraft moar CAD.
16:13.29IskatuMeskhis base attack is sort of a sweep. He could throw out a bunch of burning energy blades
16:14.06IskatuMeskand I can use the m3 events to give him footstep sounds and such
16:14.27Arcane|WorkI still am amazed by the dedicated team that built a to scale version of Middle Earth
16:14.39Arcane|WorkTook them like a year, but they did it
16:14.59Arcane|WorkWould take about a month of real time to transverse the virtual world.
16:15.24Arcane|WorkWatcehd the hour long tour of Moria, was just like... holy hell...
16:15.47IskatuMeskheh, and it took me a year just to come up with a few presentable models and particles in sins
16:15.49IskatuMeskwhat have I done with my life
16:15.54Arcane|WorkTBH, in terms of emergent gameplay or sandbox games, I doubt anything will equal minecraft.
16:16.01IskatuMeskdwarf fortress
16:16.35JademusSregWinner.
16:16.39IskatuMeskI imagine there are other roguelikes that are similarly indepth, but dwarf fortress is a game I've yet to encounter another come close to
16:16.53A1winminecraft is simple without its mods, and its mods are mostly really badly designed (as is the base game)
16:17.05A1winnot that it is a game
16:17.10IskatuMeskminecraft has a long ways to go before it approaches dwarf fortress
16:17.16Arcane|WorkI have heard of that but never played it. Although you are correct, the mindset is different with dwarf fortress..
16:17.21A1winI should play some dwarf fortress
16:17.31IskatuMeskthe difference will be learning curves
16:17.38Arcane|WorkWell minecraft is so simple in its premise, in the same way that Go is simple.
16:17.41A1wina friend of mine played Unreal World last weekend, seemed very complex too
16:17.44IskatuMeskand of course graphics... to what extent you can say minecraft has graphics, at least
16:18.07Arcane|WorkGraphics are kind of irrelevant
16:18.15IskatuMeskthen dwarf fortress is the game for you
16:18.42piratemaybe I'll revisit this one day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSdhHSS-eGE
16:18.44Arcane|WorkI guess I find minecraft to be so good is that the rules are so simple and thus can bend to be anything you want it to be.
16:18.50A1winhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnReal_World
16:19.30IskatuMeskwhat depressed me about dungeon keeper was how ludicrously unstable it was when I bought it
16:19.36IskatuMeskshitty ass old compaq
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16:20.12JademusSregAs unstable as Molyneux?
16:20.18IskatuMeskwut dat
16:20.24piratedev
16:20.34pirateI really wanted black and white 3
16:20.44Arcane|WorkI sometimes wonder if game developers should not attempt to do any more realism
16:20.53Arcane|WorkSince it forces the creation of unique assets
16:21.05Arcane|WorkWhich then can not be changed later on.
16:21.07IskatuMeskthe fuck where did I put my mindtex profile for the void hound
16:21.15EntityEnigmabut realism is so cool
16:21.31IskatuMeskassets are pretty easy to create for anyone of skill appropriate of game development
16:21.33JademusSregNope.
16:21.51Arcane|WorkLike, procedural generation is awesome for creating game worlds, but it was originalyl done to reuse game assets due to highly limited disk/memory capacity.
16:22.08A1winrealism is only cool because it's easier to imagine the stuff that the game lacks that way
16:22.15Arcane|WorkLike Diablo 2, the first half of Act 1 is the same zone repeated with one tile set swapped out.
16:22.37pirateassets require artists
16:22.47IskatuMeskand artists are incredibly abundant and cheap
16:22.56Arcane|WorkAnd the D2 devs said the elite/exceptionval version of items was purely to reuse the graphics, since they couldn't fit anything more on a CD.
16:22.58IskatuMeskcompanies just decide to outsource to insanely expensive firms instead
16:22.59pirate(true enough)
16:23.13Arcane|Workartists are cheap???
16:23.30IskatuMeskif you aren't trying to buy some comical company comission, yep
16:23.43IskatuMeskjust need to look around
16:23.50Arcane|WorkLast I heard, good 3d modeling is not cheap, starting with the tools and the expertise to use them quickly.
16:24.08IskatuMesktools are probably a year of learning for anyone without major issues
16:24.11Arcane|WorkI guess artists to draw concepts are cheap, but doing the grunt work of modeling isn't
16:24.25IskatuMeskmodeling is a fairly universal skill, concept art I think is more challenging
16:24.31IskatuMesknot sure about pricing-wise though
16:24.36IskatuMeskconcept would be insanely cheap to commission
16:24.46Arcane|WorkStill, I can't imagine it ever being cheap because of the sheer number of them needed.
16:25.00Arcane|WorkSC2 has how many unique models?
16:25.01IskatuMeskwell, consider most assets are just kitbashes of old assets
16:25.08IskatuMeskmost of sc2's models are < an hour of work
16:25.23IskatuMeskparticularly the doodads, like the rocks, where they didn't even care to make the uvs
16:25.36Arcane|WorkOk, so 1/2 hour per model * 5k models = 2500 hours of work
16:25.52IskatuMesklooking at the meshes themselves, they are very quickly slapped together, the animations are very basic and probably from mocap discs
16:25.56Arcane|WorkThen again, it also is product of where Blizzard is located.
16:26.04IskatuMeskthe cinematics models will be a different story
16:26.10Arcane|WorkMinimum ANYONE is getting paid in Irvine is 60k USD a year
16:26.11IskatuMeskbut those are mostly inhouse
16:26.20Arcane|WorkSource: Lived there
16:26.30IskatuMeskshare some of that green, yes? :3
16:26.59Arcane|WorkWell Irvine is incredibly expensive to live in. Even a bottom of the barrel apt is goign to cost you 1500 a month
16:27.26IskatuMesklike, I don't think sc2 as a whole was really more than 2-3 months of manhours for a small team. The biggest work would have been the engine itself, given how troublesome their programming has been in the past
16:27.41Arcane|WorkAdd in State and US taxes, and yeah, 25k is gone before you blink.
16:27.42IskatuMeskmost of the model work was probably shoveled onto interns
16:27.53IskatuMeskunfortunately
16:27.58IskatuMesk1500 an apartment is pretty common here too
16:28.42IskatuMesknow marketing
16:28.44Arcane|WorkWell, Blizzard has a unique problem, they are a single studio working on 5 games at once. To my knowledge, most game studios work on 1, MAYBE 2 games.
16:28.47IskatuMeskmarketing is absolutely crazy
16:28.50IskatuMeskyeah
16:29.10IskatuMeskwell they have an enormous staff roster
16:29.18Arcane|WorkSure EA has multiple games, but they are just a publisher, with multiple independent studios to work on various titles.
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16:29.38pirateyeah but blizzard has several independent teams, no?
16:29.55Arcane|WorkYeah, but still all in one studio, competing with and sharing many resources
16:29.56pirate(also, six games by my count)
16:29.58IskatuMeskmost of blizzard's games are fairly small teams. even sc2's teams is pretty small compared to a lot of the untested buggy shitpiles that get regurgigated onto the market and touted as "triple A!" today
16:30.19IskatuMeskre: ass creed, THQ titles
16:30.31IskatuMeskdat marketing doe
16:30.36Arcane|WorkYes, but I imagine teams have to get shared: like the people doing modeling
16:30.41IskatuMeskI wonder how much being a shill pays
16:30.51Arcane|WorkPretty good, because it works
16:31.02IskatuMeskEA and microsoft have entire legions of shgills
16:31.08IskatuMeskmust pay pretty well
16:31.30IskatuMesk4chan gets shit up by xbone shills every second day
16:31.32Arcane|WorkMicrosoft I can understand, despite their stupid stuff, they DO have certain parts of their product line that areVERY good
16:31.46Arcane|WorkBiggest one I know of is Visual Studio
16:31.52IskatuMeskyeah
16:32.04Arcane|WorkFrom everything I've read, it is/has been one of the best, if not the best IDE's to work with.
16:32.17Arcane|WorkAnd nowadays it gets better and better, more multiplatform support
16:32.46IskatuMesknow if only they'd put that kind of effort into windows
16:33.13Arcane|WorkWell, they may now. One major difference is that the new CEO is an engineer by profession, not a MBA or marketing person
16:33.41Arcane|WorkSo he is probably less likely to jerk around with typical business BS
16:33.48IskatuMeskyeah, I hope he does some good
16:34.42IskatuMeskthere are things about windows that have existed since however long, at least since I started with 98se, that continually piss me off, and yet the OS has hardly changed since then
16:35.18Arcane|WorkWell, for better or worse, that has been one of Windows main selling points. You can take a crappy DOS program from 1995 and still run it on Windows 8.1
16:35.35IskatuMeskthings like the way the audio stack works, programs being able to steal focus, you know, things that will always get ignored because gotta milk casuals
16:35.44Arcane|WorkWhich can not be said for Apple or any other consumer facing OS.
16:36.21IskatuMeskI wish dungeon keeper 2 worked out of the box...
16:36.33Arcane|WorkFor most people, Windows is just good enough, and fairly stable now.
16:36.50IskatuMeskwell, at the least I can see windows 7 lasting an extremely long time
16:37.06IskatuMeskthere is no competition to speak of and it "works"
16:37.19Arcane|WorkAgreed, pretty hard ot screw up Win7, only crashes I've ever seen are due to poor drives, something Microsoft can't control.
16:37.21pirateand now for an sc2 questions
16:37.30Arcane|WorkFire away matey
16:37.55IskatuMeskyarrr
16:37.57pirateI'm using a variable to store the last 'active' turn bar segment for http://i.imgur.com/DKbAZLZ.gif
16:38.11Arcane|WorkOk
16:38.21pirate(that gif the anchors were all set with xml and not touched but now I want a bit more control so I'm scripting it)
16:39.04piratewhat do I set the control variable (int) to when I 'reset' it
16:39.16pirate-1 ?
16:39.39piratethat was poorly phrased
16:39.48JademusSregBack.
16:40.10pirateI'm looking for the control equivalent of null (since my understanding is that dialog controls are assigned constants at creation)
16:40.14IskatuMeskhi
16:40.27JademusSreg0
16:40.36Arcane|Workpirate: there is a No Dialog Item preset, and that preset IIRC maps to null
16:40.41piratederp
16:40.46JademusSregOr -1, I forget which, from memory.
16:40.50Arcane|Work^
16:40.51JademusSregI'll check the natives.
16:41.12Arcane|WorkI think its -1 because dialog controls are referenced as ints
16:41.15JademusSregconst int c_dialogControlItemNone                       = -1;
16:41.39piratec_invalidDialogControlId?
16:41.55JademusSreg=0
16:41.57JademusSregHaha
16:42.02pirateindeed
16:42.16piratebest to use native anyway, forgot bout them
16:42.18JademusSregJust treat both as null.
16:42.38piratedialogControlItemNone is a better descriptor in this case
16:43.04pirateand a reassuring teal in np++
16:43.05A1winany ideas for a good multiplayer game that can be played as a group?
16:43.18A1win(to play, not to create)
16:43.28piratemario party?
16:43.31piratesmash bros?
16:43.38A1winon PC
16:43.39JademusSregHave you tried Mad Space?
16:43.41JademusSregHarhar
16:43.47pirateheroes of the storm
16:44.00pirateforced
16:44.06pirated3
16:44.17JademusSregCiv#
16:44.22piratethe super secret adaption I'm making now
16:44.33A1wincivs are boring
16:44.39A1wingot bored of d3 long ago
16:44.41JademusSregPlay Nomic.
16:44.45A1winhots is a moba
16:44.57JademusSregOr Starbound.
16:45.01Arcane|Workhots is a better moba :D
16:45.12Arcane|WorkCould play NOTD :D
16:45.19pirateheard good things about starbound
16:45.31A1winI doubt there are any arcade games that I'd enjoy playing :X
16:45.50A1winstarbound was far too unfinished the last time I played i t
16:45.54Arcane|WorkShould try NOTD, for the lulz
16:45.54A1winnot much content
16:45.54JademusSregFairly moddable, mostly uses json, lua, and png.
16:46.25JademusSregMany, many mods are available already.
16:47.07A1winI think my friends prefer minecraft over it
16:47.23JademusSregThen play minecraft.
16:47.32A1winI don't like it :P
16:47.34A1winanymore
16:47.38JademusSregUnderstandable.
16:47.42A1wintried a few weeks ago and it was just meh
16:47.47A1wineven with updated mods and stuff
16:48.10JademusSregPlay the game where you all argue over which game to play; that's a classic.
16:48.15A1winworst part is having to start from scratch every time because mods aren't backwards compativle with worlds
16:48.17IskatuMeskhmm... normal maps are not coming out well on this guy
16:48.18Arcane|Work^
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16:49.25EntityEnigmacould anyone point me in the right direction of how to make a teleport take one adjacent ally with the player?
16:49.28A1winso weird that so many people are making games and yet there aren't any good ones 8)
16:49.56Arcane|WorkEntityEnigma: search effect, max number of targets 2
16:49.57JademusSregHaha
16:50.01Arcane|Workinclude: caster
16:50.15Arcane|Workuse target sorts to get closest person
16:50.19Arcane|Worksearch filter: allied only
16:50.19EntityEnigmaaaah
16:50.40Arcane|WorkThen run teleport effect for searhc
16:50.54EntityEnigmathx so much
16:51.48Arcane|WorkA1win: define good?
16:51.55EntityEnigmayeah
16:52.15EntityEnigmagood is determined largly by personal preferences
16:52.26Arcane|WorkAlso, many people make them as a hobby, making a polished one, like any other software project, takes a LARGE amount of time, no matter what.
16:52.44EntityEnigmait use does...
16:52.53A1wingood = good enough that I'd rather play it than do something else, such as sit on my chair and talk about why games aren't good anymore
16:54.24EntityEnigmawhat field do you set the nubmer of targets in for the search?
16:54.27EntityEnigmamax min count?
16:54.30Arcane|WorkYes
16:54.34A1winhow playable starbound nightly builds are?
16:54.35EntityEnigmacool
16:55.02IskatuMeskI don't think I've played too many games in the last decade that I'd consider objectively good... mostly the arcade titles and some SNES ones
16:55.12IskatuMeskrondo of blood, mslug 1/x/3, r-type 3
16:55.21Arcane|WorkA1win: people are probably getting burnt out because quite a bit of what is considered fun for games has been explored already, and at this point, most things are minor twists, or rehashes.
16:55.34A1winmm
16:55.47IskatuMeskpeople keep trying to appeal to casuals
16:56.08IskatuMeskultimately what it comes down to
16:56.21Arcane|WorkWell yes, because people are more interested in making games as an end.
16:56.32IskatuMesktoo lazy and/or scared to try new things so constantly dumb things down and introduce other genres already done to death to make "innovative"
16:56.36IskatuMeskyes
16:56.48IskatuMesknot quite working out for most of them
16:57.00Arcane|WorkEntertainment as a means to make money is not much better then going to a casino
16:57.35Arcane|WorkBecause entertaininment can not be objectively analyzed and have an objective purpose.
16:57.39IskatuMeskI am going to have to split the hair off this mesh so I can avoid putting normals on it
16:59.12A1winyou can still become better at entertaining by doing it a lot
16:59.16IskatuMesk... nevermind that is not going to work
16:59.32IskatuMesk... new idea
17:10.47IskatuMeskhttps://i.imgur.com/aHuN1bS.png
17:10.52IskatuMesksubtle normals, specular, etc
17:13.00IskatuMeskwish I could make the claws more shiny/metallic without mangling the body... hmm...
17:15.44IskatuMeskis there a way to invert selection in max?
17:19.34A1winis herostorm in semi-open beta already (do they send keys to everyone who signs up) or still closed?
17:20.43Ahliinvites are now global
17:22.09Dustinclosed beta still
17:22.19Dustininvites are scarce
17:22.38Ahliwell, first global wave was this week
17:24.03pirate<canada is 'global'
17:24.54pirate<Country name="canada" region="global"/>
17:27.31Arcane|Workit still is techinicaly alpha. Storm is basically their baseline for their new infrastructure, so they are taking it slow.
17:27.38Arcane|Worktechinical alpha*
17:30.26IskatuMeskI see jademus fiddling
17:31.23JademusSregPhotoshop rendering shit itself, had to save and relaunch, haha.
17:31.30IskatuMeskI wonder how environment maps work in sc2. are they cubemaps like unreal?
17:34.00JademusSregYeah, iirc
17:34.16JademusSregThere's a whole bunch in one model asset as an example.
17:49.39Teratronhello
17:49.51Teratronguy how can i break the debugger manually ?
17:49.57Teratronso i can read stuff it keeps scrolling
17:50.05JademusSregRead the log files.
17:50.32JademusSregStarCraft II/GameLogs/
17:51.11JademusSregOtherwise, add breakpoints; in code, or enable breakpoints on error in preferences.
17:51.17JademusSregbrb
17:51.48IskatuMesknow the only thing I am curious about is if anyone knows how the walk speed settings work
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18:09.45IskatuMeskI will probably reprocess the l4d tank sounds for their audio
18:25.28piratemooneater, did you get your texture working?
18:25.38MoonEaternope
18:25.44pirate:(
18:25.47MoonEaterresponding to a post about it now
18:25.55piratehow strange
18:25.57MoonEaterjack is grumpy about ur post tho
18:26.01MoonEaterwell
18:26.20MoonEaterfor some reason (probably cause its a unit) i cant texture swap on a decal
18:26.22pirateyeah, don't spoil the forum readers!
18:26.29piratesure you can
18:26.36pirateI've done it
18:27.52MoonEaterim sure its possible
18:27.58MoonEaterim just messing it up somehow
18:28.11pirateI did a lot of playing with decals when experimenting with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XOcNBytC8
18:28.32piratemy guess is your prefixes are off
18:28.44MoonEaterwell i took the decal model
18:28.53MoonEaterand attached it to a unit actor
18:28.58MoonEaterand then to a unit
18:29.03MoonEatertexture swaped
18:29.07pirateas a model attachment?
18:29.08MoonEaterand always got the sphere
18:29.12MoonEaterno
18:29.14MoonEateras the model
18:29.32piratesphere = actor is set up wrong, regardless of texture
18:30.08MoonEaterduno how that would happen??
18:30.17MoonEaterset the unit
18:30.19MoonEaterset the model
18:30.25MoonEateractor creation event
18:30.26MoonEaterdone
18:31.34pirateyou just set the model field of your Units actor to DecalProtoss?
18:32.05piratein the video I linked, each hex is a unit
18:33.13MoonEaterthats what i did
18:33.14MoonEaterlolz
18:33.34pirateyeah, dont do that
18:34.30MoonEaterwhat do i do then??
18:35.31pirateset the unit's actor model to invisible, create a model with 1 variation and 1 specific decal model, create new Actor (Model Addition), set the model to your newly created singular decal model
18:36.15piratein the Unit Actor: ActorCreation>Create MyDecalAdditionActor
18:39.14MoonEatercreate new Actor (Model Addition)
18:39.16MoonEaterwere is that
18:39.25pirateensure this creates a decal as intended before attempting texture swappage
18:40.04pirateData Module > Actors > New Actor > Type: Mode, Parent: Model Addition (my bad)
18:41.57MoonEateru said set the model to invisible, then later on you say set the model to your newly created sigular decal model
18:42.05MoonEatercontradiction?
18:42.18pirateTwo Different Actors
18:42.39pirate1. Unit Actor (Model: Invisible) 2. Model Addition (Model: Decal)
18:45.06MoonEatergot it
18:45.07MoonEateri think
18:45.30MoonEaterso now the spell circle creates 2 actors?
18:45.42MoonEaterinteresting
18:46.00piratehttp://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13348864755#1
18:47.39MoonEaterworks
18:47.40MoonEateralright
18:47.44MoonEaternow texture swap
18:48.03MoonEaterpirate its alright if i use an interchanable texture swap right?
18:48.15piratewhat do you mean by that
18:48.16IskatuMeskfor your texture
18:48.24IskatuMeskdid you copy paste it to the alpha channel
18:48.31IskatuMeskand what alpha falloff are you using
18:48.32IskatuMeskor what material type
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18:48.56MoonEaterbasicaly make the model  texture declarations the same as the other
18:49.04IskatuMeskalso what is it being displayed against in your screenshot
18:49.12IskatuMeskI see black but is that a model or what
18:49.16pirateI still dont follow what youre saying
18:49.20MoonEaterlolz
18:49.25MoonEaterhes askign the same thing u are
18:49.44piratetexture declarations are based off of m3 file
18:49.46IskatuMeskI know sc2 has some bugs with displaying stuff against the skybox
18:50.01Ahlihttp://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13348864755#1
18:50.06MoonEaterIskatuMesk i dont know what the m3 settings are for the materials
18:50.09pirate4 minutes late ahli
18:50.12MoonEaterim too noob
18:50.19MoonEaterthe back background is a texture
18:50.25MoonEaterfor the ground
18:50.25IskatuMeskhow are you putting it into the game then
18:50.27pirateright, but the materials of the decal will work
18:50.28MoonEateror lack thier off
18:50.40piratetrust me, I'm a scientist
18:50.59MoonEaterIskatuMesk, i use a flat plane and texture swap onto it
18:51.05IskatuMeskah
18:51.10IskatuMeskI have never done anything with that before
18:51.11Ahliya :S
18:51.14IskatuMeskbut I assume it's a material problem
18:51.15piratebut now w'ere using a decal
18:51.16Ahliwas playing heroes
18:51.26IskatuMesklike, you'd probably want to see it to Add
18:51.30IskatuMeskand that would give you transparency
18:51.31pirateand not some solid plane
18:51.31MoonEaterIskatuMesk, i was reading on the forums
18:51.49MoonEaterwell i would lvoe to update the model
18:51.49IskatuMeskI would just make it a particle
18:51.58IskatuMeskor a box
18:52.02MoonEaterif u want
18:52.06JademusSregEmissives are done, lemme know how well they work.
18:52.06IskatuMeskor a splat?
18:52.07MoonEateri can give u the original
18:52.09MoonEaterplane
18:52.12MoonEaterand u can add it
18:52.13IskatuMeskI have never used splats before
18:52.22MoonEaternot a splat
18:52.25MoonEaterunit model
18:52.35pirate(you're trying to reinvent the wheel here...)
18:52.55IskatuMeskthe png you posted is what you used as a source texture right
18:52.57MoonEaterperhaps but i hate to admit it, but this might be only a temporary fix
18:53.05MoonEatermy planes should be able to support any image
18:53.08MoonEaterthats the idea
18:53.17MoonEaterIskatuMesk, yes
18:53.23pirate(right, except where material type doesnt agree with alpha)
18:53.30MoonEaterIskatuMesk, well kinda
18:53.40JademusSregMoon, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Planes.7z
18:53.48JademusSregSee: TemplateSplat.m3
18:53.52MoonEaterIskatuMesk, in 3ds its a different default placeholder texture
18:53.54IskatuMeskah, I see
18:53.59IskatuMeskyou are using the alpha for texture detailing
18:54.09IskatuMeskand the actual texture itself is just a flat surface
18:54.28IskatuMeskto me that seems like the game is not handling the alpha test threshold
18:54.34IskatuMeskthat seems to be sort of a binary thing
18:54.40IskatuMeskeither it's opaque or you can't see it
18:54.41MoonEaterexactly
18:54.45MoonEaterlet me link u the m3
18:54.47IskatuMeskso, it's a material problem I reckon
18:54.51MoonEaterand u can have ur way with it
18:54.56IskatuMeskI will make a new m3
18:54.58IskatuMeskone moment
18:55.00MoonEateri was gathering the same conclusion
18:55.27MoonEaterJademusSreg, whats special about templatesplat.m3?
18:56.10JademusSregSupports diffuse, spec, normal, emissive, and height, iirc.
18:56.21IskatuMeskdo you want it to glow
18:56.24IskatuMeskor just display the texture
18:56.40MoonEaterno glow
18:57.19MoonEaterJademusSreg, IskatuMesk, the m3 im using now doesnt have emissive channel?
18:57.40JademusSregHaha.
18:57.52JademusSregUse one that does.
18:58.31IskatuMeskk weird things happened with that
18:58.43MoonEaterwell since iskatu is personaly making me a new m3
18:58.45pirate(which is why I suggest the protoss decal modeeeeeellllllll)
18:58.46MoonEateri shall wait
18:58.47MoonEaterXD
18:58.51MoonEaterpirate
18:58.54MoonEaterstill doing that
19:00.03MoonEaterBut theres a flaw with the model that should be resolved
19:00.34IskatuMeskgotta test
19:01.04MoonEaterpirate, were do i texture swap, on the invisible or the decal actor?
19:01.10piratedecal
19:01.22piratethe invisible model has no textures to swap -_-
19:01.37MoonEateratleast i got that right in my head
19:01.37MoonEaterXD
19:02.29MoonEaterIskatuMesk, another odd issue i was getting
19:02.35MoonEaterwas clipping
19:02.43IskatuMeskoh I need to make a unit to see this ingame
19:02.44IskatuMeskgosh darnit
19:02.58IskatuMeskclipping? the plane was probably z-fighting the terrain
19:03.06IskatuMeskyou'd need to raise it slightly
19:03.34MoonEaternono
19:03.36MoonEateri did that
19:03.36MoonEaterlolz
19:03.53pirate(meanwhile the existing decal conforms to terraaaaainnnn)
19:03.54MoonEaterdifferent
19:04.02IskatuMeskyeah decals will conform
19:04.03MoonEatertheres no terrain
19:04.03MoonEaterlolz
19:04.16MoonEaterits a sprite game
19:04.18MoonEaternigs
19:04.21IskatuMeskI suspect that may be part of the problem
19:04.24IskatuMeskif it's displaying against the skybox
19:04.26MoonEaterwhat this 3d shit ur telling me
19:04.38MoonEaterhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/5rnkkf4b22a0hln/clipping.png
19:04.41IskatuMeskit's new and fangled
19:04.54MoonEatersee its that line, they r line up perfectlyt
19:05.08IskatuMeskhuh
19:05.11IskatuMeskis that line in the mesh?
19:05.15IskatuMeskor the terrain
19:05.25piratewait, are you also egodbout?
19:05.27MoonEateruh thats a series of planes
19:05.29MoonEaterno
19:05.32MoonEaterfk that dude
19:05.44MoonEaterhe started working on his sprite game again when he herd i was
19:05.51pirate>.>
19:05.53IskatuMeskalright my circle is fine in cutscene editor
19:05.55MoonEaterthen he sends me a pm telling me off
19:06.05IskatuMeskdisplays against darkness
19:06.29MoonEateranyways edgod never finishes his projects
19:06.37IskatuMeskjust like me
19:06.41MoonEaterme, im at 31,000 lines of code
19:07.37MoonEaterthis game will be finished
19:07.41MoonEatermake take forever
19:07.47MoonEaterbut it will get there
19:07.56IskatuMeskwww.gameproc.com/meskstuff/apex_dev/Weapon.7z
19:08.01IskatuMeskput the dds into assets\textures\
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19:08.39IskatuMeskif it shows up as a blue square then I really fucked up the cleanup of my scene
19:08.42pirateyou have 31k lines of script? And no demo videos?
19:08.45IskatuMeskbut should be fine
19:09.01IskatuMesktime to check out jade's sweatshop labor
19:09.05MoonEaterpirate, right? thats the joke!
19:09.15MoonEater31,000 lines and no content
19:09.26MoonEaterits all goes to precedually created levels
19:09.29MoonEaterdynamic item
19:09.32pirateshiver me developing timbers
19:09.45MoonEaterand the sprite interfaces
19:09.49piratemake a video of such functionality
19:09.50MoonEaterlevel generations
19:09.59pirateone must not develop in a vacuum
19:10.03MoonEaterwell with no content
19:10.11MoonEaterits lost on the noobs
19:10.28MoonEaterplus after edgod started going nuts
19:10.35piratehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IzNnPMz-U had no content
19:10.39MoonEateri figured ill let him cool off and forget about makign a sprite game
19:10.40piratemake it for me
19:10.43pirateI want to see :P
19:11.30MoonEaterwhen im done with spells
19:11.35MoonEateri have only 2 demo levels
19:11.46MoonEaterso i cant even show off the infinate world
19:11.47MoonEateror anything
19:11.54IskatuMeskexcellent work jade
19:11.55IskatuMeskthanks
19:12.31JademusSreg"Sprites map, just a advice" Haha
19:12.51JademusSregNo problem, Mesk.
19:13.22piratewhat has jade been slaving upon
19:13.40MoonEaterhes off the buss
19:13.43MoonEaterisnt he?
19:13.45JademusSregMaybe Mesk will put up a screen/gif and show ya.
19:13.48IskatuMeskcool part will be when I animate this stuff
19:13.50pirate:D
19:13.54pirateI like gifs
19:14.26JademusSregOnly buss I'm on is a blunderbuss.
19:15.23MoonEatershit
19:15.30MoonEaterit doesnt want to swap
19:15.32MoonEaternooz
19:15.38IskatuMeskshouldn't need to swap
19:15.39IskatuMeskjust place the m3
19:15.52IskatuMeskhttps://i.imgur.com/1jGtghT.gif
19:16.02JademusSregWoo.
19:16.05MoonEaterwell im doing pirates method for education and if i need some weird workaroudn
19:16.11MoonEaterand il be implemting yours
19:16.12IskatuMeskah
19:16.23MoonEaterplus
19:16.29MoonEaterswaping is suddenly pwning m,e
19:18.06JademusSregHard to tell from the moving image and in such bright lighting, but the eyes have a nice red glow, too.
19:18.30IskatuMeskwill be hard to see in normal view
19:18.34IskatuMeskbut the portrait will b ez
19:18.44IskatuMeskonce I figure out how to make portraits, at least
19:20.25pirateshiny glowy textures
19:20.28piratepretty
19:21.07MoonEaterwrll
19:21.14IskatuMeskhair alpha is still... off
19:21.15MoonEaterwell it doesnt want to texture swap
19:21.23MoonEaterthe xml is copy pasted
19:21.25IskatuMeskmight entail manual fixing
19:21.46pirate(doesnt mean you did it right the first time)
19:22.43pirateyou can place a function in a struct with funcref?
19:25.36JademusSregYes.
19:26.28MoonEaterIskatuMesk
19:26.34JademusSregOne can declare funcref globals, or locals, parameters, returns, structs fields, arrays, whatever.
19:26.34MoonEaterits a blue glowy square
19:27.02MoonEaterIskatuMesk its a blue glowy square
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19:27.41MoonEatershit
19:27.43MoonEaterits him
19:28.02DeadZerglingam I slenderman now?
19:28.38JademusSregstructref and arrayref are more limited, since if not scope and return restricted would otherwise reference out-of-scope memory.
19:28.40DeadZerglingor perhaps the candyman
19:28.45DeadZerglingsomeone must have said my name 3 times
19:28.47pirateso I could configure shit so that User.Self.Energy() returns a units energy
19:28.55JademusSregYep.
19:28.59piratedas is pretty cool
19:30.22IskatuMeskhmm
19:30.47IskatuMeskyou put the texture into that directory?
19:31.23MoonEaterya but i added the m3 first
19:31.25MoonEaterlet me reload
19:31.26piratescripting is fun when code is clean and hyper-readable
19:31.27IskatuMeskah
19:31.28MoonEatersee if it fixed
19:32.23MoonEaterpirate, 105 comments
19:32.30MoonEater3,472 actions
19:32.47MoonEaterlolololz
19:35.11DeadZerglingMoonEater, since Bounty was so offended by the last quiz I posted, I got a better one for him this time: http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/cornhusker/what-type-of-redneck-are-you/
19:36.16MoonEaterIskatuMesk, it shows up
19:36.25MoonEaterjust need to do my thang
19:36.28MoonEaterlunch time tho
19:36.43pirateactions?
19:36.49pirateis all in gui?
19:40.08JademusSreghttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/07/blizzard-cco-lead-wow-designer-rob-pardo-retires/
19:41.13pirate56 minutes late
19:41.22JademusSregHaha
19:43.03DeadZerglinghow can that be 56 minutes late when it was posted less than 56 minutes ago?
19:43.36IskatuMeskscience
19:43.58DeadZerglingyes of course, according to quantum physics
19:44.53DeadZerglingjust preface any statement with that, and it can be true
19:45.29JademusSregOr at least seem true to anyone who doesn't know jack about quantum mechanics.
19:45.31pirateI posted rob pardo's forum post 56 minutes before jade posted the article link that talks about the forum post
19:45.35MoonEaterpirate, what do u mean all in gui?
19:46.13pirateas opposed to script http://i.imgur.com/9dn4sJU.jpg
19:46.14MoonEater[11:45] <pirate> http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13348864755#1
19:46.28MoonEateryes gui
19:46.33MoonEateri could do it in galaxy
19:46.36MoonEaterbut im lazy
19:46.41MoonEaterand i kinda like how gui flows
19:47.13piratewell, then 31k lines isn't nearly as accurate of an indicator of time spent lol
19:47.31MoonEatercourse it is
19:47.41MoonEaterstill have til click and find shit
19:47.46piratehahahahahahaahahah
19:47.52piratethat's not what I meant
19:47.54DeadZerglingline amount being an accurate indicator of time spent ever
19:48.00DeadZerglingnow that is funny
19:48.01MoonEatertis true
19:48.05piratein my mental model
19:48.08MoonEatercause some of the code, is in galaxy
19:48.18MoonEaterand that code was generated by code in gui
19:48.22pirateanyway
19:48.25MoonEaterand is very large
19:48.27MoonEaterXD
19:48.44pirateI'm having a hard time wrapping my head around a math problem I'm having with my command queue
19:48.58JademusSreg?
19:49.01DeadZerglingcould make a function, make a variable called i
19:49.04DeadZerglingset i = 0
19:49.11DeadZerglingcopy that a few hundred times
19:49.17DeadZerglingcopy the function a few hundred times
19:49.32DeadZerglingsuddenly i have a 50k line project, what a hard worker I am
19:49.36JademusSregvoid DoShit() { ... }
19:50.35pirateit's easy to calculate the the length of the first Line: http://i.imgur.com/DKbAZLZ.gif
19:50.52MoonEaterDeadZergling i can one up that
19:50.54MoonEaterso
19:51.09MoonEateru maken the levels in editor is nieh impossible
19:51.12piratelength = 1 - User.EnergyPercent * MaxWidth
19:51.21pirate(max width happens to 1586)
19:51.23MoonEaterso i make the levels in game and export it to galaxy script
19:51.37MoonEaterthats one of the reasons why theres soo much code
19:52.11pirateit's easy to calculate the Length of any given Box (since the Energy Cost is removed on cast)
19:52.25JademusSregSeparation of logic and content, mofo.
19:52.48MoonEaterjade, me? or pirate?
19:52.54piratebut subsequent lines give me a headache
19:53.07JademusSregEveryone, forever.
19:53.14IskatuMeskbutts
19:53.19DeadZerglingBatman Forever
19:53.30piratefor the gif, I fudged it and changed the Users Max Energy each time a box was added
19:53.32JademusSregOf course code is gonna bloat if you bake content into it.
19:53.43piratethis is obviously a poor solution
19:53.46IskatuMeskyour face is going to bloat if you bake content into it
19:53.52JademusSregAlso true.
19:54.05JademusSregOr rather, if you put baked content into it.
19:55.08MoonEaterwell
19:55.12MoonEaterdoing it this way
19:55.18MoonEaterallows me to make the map go on forever
19:55.23MoonEatersoooo suck it
19:55.28MoonEateru map size bitches
19:55.37JademusSregAdorable.
19:55.38piratemoon, I dont think anyone is arguing against procedural generation
19:56.05piratepersonally, I'm arguing against algebra
19:56.10IskatuMeskfuk math
19:56.13JademusSregHaha
19:56.17pirateexactly my problem
19:56.26piratefuck math
19:56.27piratefuck X
19:56.41piratefuck Length
19:56.56pirate(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
19:57.35MoonEaternaw
19:57.37MoonEaterim not mad
19:57.40MoonEaterjust saying
19:57.43MoonEaterlosers
19:57.43MoonEaterXD
19:58.41Mercgot it working MoonEater?
19:59.12MoonEateryes
19:59.15MoonEaterit works
19:59.20Mercnice bice
19:59.34Mercmade a new model, or?
20:00.30JademusSregWoo, emissives glowy rainbowbrite: https://i.imgur.com/1jGtghT.gif
20:00.44MoonEaterMerc, its all sprites
20:00.45MoonEaterlolz
20:00.54MoonEaternot terribly hard
20:01.01pirateupon picking my mental table off the floor, I think I've found a solution to my problem
20:01.04piratehttp://i.imgur.com/iizhhv7.gif
20:01.12MoonEateru delete the map unit group and place down another premade or generate a new set
20:01.16JademusSregMoon, wat did ego say in the PM?
20:01.29Mercfancy ass model you got there JademusSreg
20:01.31piratesnitches get stitches
20:01.36JademusSregGood choice of gif, pir.
20:01.50JademusSregIt's Mesk's model, I just assisted.
20:02.13Mercclearly gotta use some ribbons on that hair
20:02.21DeadZerglingthink pirate would get even more done if he spent half as much time on his shit as he did on gif making
20:02.29JademusSregHahaha
20:02.33MoonEaterjade he said nothing bad or untrue, but it was motive driven
20:02.38pirategoogle made that one, not pirate
20:02.47pirate:P
20:02.49DeadZerglinggif making/searching
20:02.57DeadZerglingin some cases, searching takes even longer
20:04.28JademusSreghttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019539111/the-curse-of-tristram
20:04.30JademusSreg=D
20:05.10DeadZerglingthat one is rather old, was wondering if he tried again for some reason
20:05.22IskatuMesklol... kickstarters for maps...
20:05.39Mercworth a shot
20:05.49Mercwhere did that model come from anyway JademusSreg?
20:05.51IskatuMeskI would fund the brony simulator first
20:05.52Mercdiablo3?
20:05.54IskatuMesklineage 2
20:05.55DeadZerglingsome kickstarters have worked
20:05.59JademusSregI enjoy it, great example of ego's technical ability and design prowess, haha.
20:06.00Mercooh
20:06.02MoonEaterJademusSreg, as i said edgod never finishes anything
20:06.07MoonEaterand wants money for everything
20:06.20IskatuMeskwell kickstarters can work yes, I just find it silly someone would start one for a map
20:06.22IskatuMeskbut hey, free money...
20:06.24MoonEaterkinda against the monotization of blizzard maps
20:06.26MoonEaterbut oh well
20:06.58DeadZerglingthat is what I'm saying IskatuMesk, some kickstarters for maps have worked
20:07.11IskatuMesksome people have too much money to give away
20:07.11JademusSregDon't care about any of that, just delight in highlighting comical things.
20:07.50MoonEaterlook the only people who can get away with monotizing and kickstarting is starcraft universe
20:07.57pirateNotD
20:08.02IskatuMesklol
20:08.04MoonEaterbut even that is a fofaraw
20:08.09MoonEaterdid they?
20:08.14IskatuMesktheir trailer was really bad
20:08.15Ahligameheart
20:08.17IskatuMeskall I know about that project
20:08.26pirateI am for the monetization for high quality mod content
20:08.43MoonEatersc2 is practicaly open source
20:08.44pirate(because I dream of funding my life through such work)
20:08.53IskatuMesksc2 is pretty far from open source
20:09.00Mercthere is a way to export diablo 3 models with animations and whatnot from though, right?
20:09.08Mercpretty sure I saw a butcher somewhere
20:09.16pirateTaylorMouse made a script
20:09.17IskatuMeskeven udk isn't open source without a license, and udk is leagues and butts beyond anything sc2 can do
20:09.20piratelook in his thread
20:09.33MercGameHeart was worth every penny I donated
20:09.37MoonEaterlolz how can u say that?
20:09.42Mercdamn good project
20:10.07MoonEatertheres almost 0 map integrity and the china server have been stealing our maps
20:10.28MoonEaterand you can open all the maps in sc2 up, they r all in temp
20:10.32MoonEaterno bank security
20:10.37MoonEaterreally a open source thing
20:10.38IskatuMeskyep
20:10.38pirate(yet)
20:10.45IskatuMeskmaps are open source
20:10.47Mercah nice, found taylormouse's stuff, thanks
20:10.51IskatuMeskthe game isn't
20:11.09IskatuMeskwc3 was like that too
20:11.15IskatuMeskmap protection is silly and futile
20:11.20MoonEaterlolz scu finaly fixed thier forums
20:11.55MoonEaterif you want to say its not open source then the source code shouldnt be so easy to get your hands on
20:12.10IskatuMeskI thought you were talking about the game itself
20:12.14IskatuMeskI haven't been following :3
20:12.18MoonEaterLOLZ
20:12.21MoonEaterall games
20:12.27MoonEaterall sc2 arcade games
20:12.34IskatuMeskthose are maps though, not games
20:12.41IskatuMeskthe maps are open source
20:12.45IskatuMeskyeah, absolutely
20:12.48MoonEaterthen we done
20:12.54MoonEaterwalks away triumpantly
20:12.57IskatuMesklol
20:12.57piratethe thing is though, is if someone pried into rogue star, and was able to "steal" my work and create new content
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20:13.15IskatuMeskit's all about how much effort someone is willing to put into things
20:13.16pirateId be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euI3v2jpTlI&feature=kp
20:13.22IskatuMeskmany people see protection as simply a challenge to overcome
20:13.23MoonEaterChallenge accepted
20:13.43JademusSregPlayed some SCU Act 1 last night with Ryan, pleasant and clever content+story arc.
20:14.05MoonEatertheres is only 1 reason why i dont think scu is going to make it
20:14.05IskatuMeskwhen blizzard said diablo 2 was unhackable they basically open the gate to the congo mantrain
20:14.18MoonEaterand that is that its not a true mmorpg
20:14.26MoonEaterneeds to be standalone
20:14.33MoonEaterneeds bank security
20:14.43MoonEaternot even bank security
20:14.46MoonEaterneeds a database
20:15.00IskatuMeskI think it's fine as a proof of concept but that is the most I see maps for
20:15.11JademusSregOpen maps/mods easily enough, it's trivial. Bank encryption is similarly trivial.
20:15.20pirateIskatu, ponder, have you seen rogue star?
20:16.03IskatuMesknope
20:16.07IskatuMeskI haven't seen 99% of maps
20:16.13IskatuMeskI only know of scu from its original trailer
20:16.18piratewell, 99% are garbage :P
20:16.21IskatuMeskand the fiasco that surrounded it
20:16.24IskatuMeskyes
20:16.46IskatuMeskoh, I did a LP of gna's "the signal"
20:16.49IskatuMeskso I know that, too
20:16.59pirateI dont
20:17.01JademusSregBut out of respect, I don't provide detailed instructions for accessing locked map/mods and bank shit, just the general approach.
20:17.11DeadZerglingwhat do you mean, make it MoonEater
20:17.15pirate^^
20:17.16IskatuMeskgenerally speaking jademus, if someone wants in, they're getting in
20:17.18DeadZerglingthey already did, didn't you see their kickstarter
20:17.24Ahliit's trivial to everyone that knows enough about maps...
20:17.26JademusSregIf people can't figure it out, they probably shouldn't be fucking with it.
20:17.35piratethen, to boast for iskatu's sake
20:17.36piratehttp://kotaku.com/someone-turned-starcraft-ii-into-a-turn-based-rpg-1584699762
20:17.52IskatuMeskoh god a kotaku article
20:17.56IskatuMeskyou gotta be yanking my dongle
20:18.00Ahlipirate aka someone
20:18.07JademusSregHaha
20:18.17IskatuMeskwait
20:18.19IskatuMeskthat's greythepirate
20:18.22IskatuMeskyou're just pirate
20:18.24IskatuMeskconspiracy?
20:18.34IskatuMeskdid you kill him?
20:18.45JademusSregAh, the trick is that pirate's name is a very dark shade of grey.
20:18.50IskatuMeskoh
20:19.13IskatuMesk"an error occured" yes youtube, an error did occur, I attempted to use your shitty service, how silly of me
20:19.47Ahlibrowser lagging, must restart browser
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20:19.53MoonEaterDeadZergling, well, they are trying to make a mmorpg in a place that isnt a mmo enviroment at some point they will smash up against the barrier
20:19.57MoonEaterso
20:20.04MoonEateri think they will go a ways
20:20.10MoonEaterbut burn out
20:20.10*** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:f490:47d6:e100:32d)
20:20.13JademusSregSilly Moon.
20:20.24DeadZerglingagain, make it?
20:20.33DeadZerglingthey already conned people out of their $$$
20:20.38IskatuMeskyep
20:20.45DeadZerglingthey made it more than we will already with modding
20:20.49IskatuMeskas far as they are concerned it's a stunning success no matter what happens
20:20.59IskatuMeskand that is the bullshit of money with maps
20:21.26DeadZerglinganyone who contributed to that obviously knew diddly shit about what was actually possible with the editor
20:21.33MoonEateri stand correct. you have opened my eyes DeadZergling, i have seen god but realized it was jade so i closed my eyes from the horror
20:21.41IskatuMesklol
20:21.48pirateI am many different pirates
20:21.51JademusSreg*cosmic horror
20:22.04DeadZerglinghe is probably the one who posted that link as well
20:22.11IskatuMeskhe ate them
20:22.12IskatuMeskabsorbed them
20:22.17DeadZerglingpirate does not have to have a pirate name
20:22.31DeadZerglinghe has often claimed to have web-posting reditting skills
20:22.49piratetis true
20:23.06pirateI have several reddit handles
20:23.09MoonEatersee if i had 80k i would give it to blizzard in exchange for a mmo platform
20:23.11pirateonly half of them pirates
20:23.15pirateerm
20:23.18MoonEaterthen make another 80k
20:23.31piratetheres quite a few issues with that statement
20:23.45pirateso lets move on
20:23.52MoonEaterthen
20:24.03MoonEateri would get a job for jade at blizzard
20:24.06MoonEaterand make him my bitch
20:24.13MoonEaterand answer all my questions with sir
20:24.23IskatuMeskif I had 80k I'd buy a lot of coffee
20:24.25MoonEaterand not give me those terrible answers
20:24.26JademusSregAs though any part of that were possible.
20:24.38DeadZerglinglistening to moon logic is making my brain hurt
20:24.59MoonEaterDANCE BITCH DANCE!!!
20:25.06piratemmmm, coffee
20:25.09MoonEaterclaps
20:25.20IskatuMeskalright, it was easy for that unit to get its barebones done
20:25.22IskatuMeskwhich should I do next...
20:25.23DeadZerglinglet's be realistic, if MoonEater ever made 80k
20:25.37DeadZerglingthe hooker industry would net a profit of about 50-60k that same year
20:25.44JademusSregHah.
20:25.49MoonEaterlolz!
20:25.53MoonEaterto be honest
20:25.57MoonEaterabsolutly honest
20:26.11MoonEateri cant stand stripers (never met a hooker)
20:26.20MoonEateri hate how they beg for money like poor people
20:26.25MoonEaterturn off
20:26.26MoonEaterXD
20:26.40DeadZerglingbut a demanding gf
20:26.40JademusSregStripe + -er + -s
20:26.43JademusSregTry again.
20:26.45MoonEaterthis has been a glimps into the weird mind of mooneater
20:26.45DeadZerglingnow that is some hot stuff, right?
20:27.16MoonEaterdemand gf pays her own car insureance
20:27.16DeadZerglingyou just think about it wrong
20:27.18MoonEaterand i pay mine
20:27.21MoonEaterso meh
20:27.27DeadZerglingreplace the $ with D
20:27.32MoonEatershe demands attention and food and nothing more
20:27.37DeadZerglingand hookers are suddenly more appealing
20:28.05DeadZerglingyou know, besides the fact they are diseased animals
20:28.09DeadZerglingthat probably ought to be put down
20:28.11MoonEater;p;z
20:28.14MoonEaterlolz
20:28.26MoonEaterso i was there with the guys at the strip club
20:28.33JademusSregI'm willing to bet that's so common a misspelling that google image for "stripers" will turn up images refer to the correctly-spelled word.
20:28.37MoonEaterand they were like for 400$ we will take you into the back
20:28.48MoonEaterANYTHING can happen in the vip lounge
20:29.00MoonEaterso prostitution is legal in california
20:29.18JademusSregIf you record it.
20:29.50MoonEateranyways
20:30.00DeadZerglingStrip clubs, Gentleman's Club, Massage Parlor
20:30.03pirateprostitution is legal in nevada
20:30.10MoonEaterno shit
20:30.13DeadZerglingthey go by lots of names
20:30.35JademusSregBathhouse, gym, truckstop, playground
20:30.48DeadZerglingnever understood why anyone would pay so much for massages
20:30.57JademusSreg"What are places with lots of sweating?"
20:30.57DeadZerglingthen heard about the happy endings, oh, now I know why
20:31.15DeadZerglingmy truck on a hot day?
20:31.17pirateI would pay that for regular ending massages
20:31.22piratemassages are awesome as fuck
20:31.37DeadZerglingbad ending there
20:31.47MoonEateri was listening to economic lecture one day. he made the statement that the more words there r for the same thing or close to the same thing the more a society or "language" values it
20:32.01DeadZerglingyou say they are awesome anyways, but couldn't say so without fucking being involved, lol
20:32.47JademusSregThe lecture had a gender? Weird.
20:33.03piratehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/67830-need-testers/
20:33.10DeadZerglingdespite my foul language, and horrible jokes, IRL I'm actually the ultimate prude
20:33.12piratethat guy was talking about massage broadcasting
20:33.15pirateand I got all excited
20:33.20JademusSregHaha
20:33.23DeadZerglingnever even kissed a girl until my wife and I got engaged
20:34.25IskatuMesk10 days to 27 and never held someone's hand
20:34.26IskatuMeskgg
20:34.45DeadZerglinggg your genes
20:34.49DeadZerglingthose ain't getting passed on
20:34.53IskatuMeskthank god
20:35.02IskatuMeskI am not enough of a douche to give some kid my brain damage
20:35.03MoonEaterwow
20:35.05IskatuMeskunlike my parents
20:35.10MoonEateryou guys make me seem normal
20:35.13MoonEaterhowd that happen
20:35.15MoonEater?
20:35.18IskatuMeskcanada
20:35.22DeadZerglingwell you aren't, period vampire
20:35.25JademusSregHahaha
20:35.41piratevampire?
20:35.48MoonEateracient joke
20:35.54MoonEateri forgot how that happened
20:35.59MoonEaterbut it wasnt very funny
20:35.59piratesomeone else, I think maybe duckies is also canadian
20:36.05MoonEaterdeadzergling is trying to make it stick
20:36.12piratea pirate doesnt kiss and tell
20:36.25DeadZerglingno, duckies is not canadian
20:36.27MoonEater^this guy
20:36.38piratehrm
20:36.41piratedont remember who
20:36.47piratesomeone has the same ISP as I do
20:36.47DeadZerglingI don't see how it doesn't stick out more.
20:36.51MoonEatershit ton of canadians up in here
20:36.52MoonEaterlolz
20:37.01pirate3, by my count
20:37.02DeadZerglinghe obviously can't eat the moon
20:37.05piratehahah
20:37.09DeadZerglingbut something happens for ladies every month
20:37.16DeadZerglingso he must eat that
20:37.20piratehe makes wild claims all over the place
20:37.33piratewouldnt be surprised if he believed he COULD eat the moon
20:37.56MoonEaterwhat wild claims?
20:38.05MoonEaterthat transparancy isnt working for me?
20:38.06piratemoon eating, for one
20:38.41MoonEateri do eat the moon
20:38.43MoonEatermoon pies
20:38.45MoonEateryuumy
20:38.58DeadZerglingyou and your gf are into some weird shit man
20:39.25MoonEaterjust cause u dont know what sex is doesnt mean its weird ^.^
20:39.52DeadZerglingpretty sure it isn't bloodinglus
20:40.25MoonEaterwish bounty were here
20:40.32MoonEaterthen u can pick on him about being a nazi
20:40.52DeadZerglingyea, you are too easy
20:40.56MoonEaterlolz i burned him so hard the other day when teratron was pissing him off
20:40.58pirateyou also claim that you take souls
20:44.57JademusSreg???
20:45.08JademusSregPissed who off about what?
20:45.57pirateway to slack on the arbitration duties, jade
20:46.38MoonEaterJade
20:46.51MoonEateris it possible to add ambiant glow to actors
20:47.02MoonEaterjust make somthing glowy?
20:47.23pirate:3
20:47.46DZ_AFK_BOREDback later
20:47.53pirate~whois mooneater
20:47.53purli heard mooneater is a momma hamster, devouring its young.
20:48.08pirate~whois teratron
20:48.09purlsomebody said teratron was known as Stewox.
20:48.28pirate~whois sixen
20:48.29purlsixen is probably our glorious overlord who without, we wouldn't have this cyberslum to fling our messy verbal diarrhea around.
20:48.38pirateahh, cyberslum
20:48.45piratehow apt
20:49.20MoonEaterpiratew
20:49.22piratenow that youve learned how to create model attachments for actors, take a look at the Light Omni group
20:49.27MoonEaterglowy effects on actor
20:49.31piratemoon
20:49.34pirateaddressed
20:49.47MoonEateroh
20:49.53MoonEaterattach an aomni light?
20:50.04MoonEaterwouldnt that make the glow effect uneven?
20:51.58piratehttp://i.imgur.com/yMs86Vt.gif
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20:52.06Bountypeow
20:52.09Teratronwhjos calling ?
20:53.17MoonEaterpirate actor creations >attach>omni light blue?
20:53.21MoonEaterdoesnt seem to work
20:53.43Teratronhello
20:53.53Teratronhow do i break manually when in windowed debugging mode ?
20:54.02Teratronfor some reason f10 didn't work to pause
20:54.04Teratroneither
20:54.14Teratronscrolls a lot of errors need to pause to see
20:54.25pirateesc
20:54.42piratebounty you call up traysent and tell him he's a goddamned liar http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67483-blizz-contest-79-entries-got-through/?page=5#p97
20:55.03Bountyno he is not
20:55.28Bountyhe told me that they ended up pushing it back by a week
20:55.37Bountyand I told him about that thread
20:55.49Bountyand that people were feeling left in the dark
20:55.52Bounty>.<
20:56.00pirateand in that thread, he said he'd but putting an official announcement on the arcade site
20:56.15Bountyoh
20:56.16pirate"tomorrow" (41 hours ago)
20:56.24Bounty*shrug* he might be busy
20:56.31piratedoubtless he's busy
20:56.39Ahlithey are just clueless :D
20:56.42piratebut pirate calls em like he sees em
20:59.13MoonEater[13:53] <MoonEater> pirate actor creations >attach>omni light blue?
20:59.40piratedude I dont know what you want from me
20:59.51pirateattach an omni light model
21:00.03piratethis attaches a light, to the model
21:04.24IskatuMeskhe
21:06.39Teratroni think i tried escape
21:07.23IskatuMeskmooneater-chan did the glowy thing work out
21:09.12MoonEaterthe model did
21:09.15MoonEaterbut not glowy
21:09.23MoonEateri was taking care of ms mooneater
21:10.09JademusSreghttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DerpCircle.7z
21:10.16MoonEater<On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="Attach LightOmniYellowLarge"/>
21:10.26IskatuMeskby glowing I mean the m3 I sent you
21:10.27piratethat
21:10.42MoonEateryes the mdoel works
21:10.47IskatuMeskexcellent
21:10.49pirateis not remotely how covered attaching model actors to unit actors
21:10.58IskatuMeskwhat is that sreggy-kun
21:10.58MoonEateroh
21:11.01pirate*we covered
21:11.05MoonEaterpriate make a second actor
21:11.07MoonEaterand attach
21:11.12MoonEatergotcha
21:11.16pirateI am baffled at how you arrived there
21:11.31JademusSregKnow that feeling all too well.
21:11.37MoonEaterbully
21:11.51pirateI mean, yeah, I did say the word attach, and it is there as an actor message
21:12.02piratehave you never dealt with a pirate before?
21:12.04JademusSregThat archive contains DerpCircle.m3 and its textures.
21:13.41JademusSregMade from TemplateSplat.m3, of course, since it supports all the texture slots.
21:14.04IskatuMeskhow difficult was it to make those emissives?
21:14.05JademusSregDerpCircle is using diffuse for both diffuse and emissive, thus no _emissive.dds.
21:14.11IskatuMeskah
21:14.15JademusSregIt doesn't take long.
21:14.30IskatuMeskyou shall be my go-to emissive generator
21:14.37IskatuMeskthere are many models to go
21:14.37JademusSregEmissive is like diffuse, doesn't require special generation like normals.
21:14.45JademusSregHandmaking normals is a huge pain in the ass.
21:14.49IskatuMeskyes
21:15.01IskatuMeskfor these because the textures are generally high detail I make very subtle normals
21:15.05IskatuMeskjust so the lighting plays off it better
21:16.45IskatuMeskthere are other variations of that unit
21:16.47IskatuMeskwith different animations
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21:17.47mille25hey
21:18.13pirateahoy
21:18.23Bountyhowdy
21:22.12JademusSreg=D
21:23.40mille25http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13348864755#1 :o
21:23.59MoonEaterwow
21:24.00MoonEateri swear
21:24.03MoonEaterif another link
21:24.09MoonEaterto that stupid topic appears
21:24.13MoonEaterin this channel
21:24.15IskatuMesk:3
21:24.18MoonEateri will fucking be pissed
21:24.23mille25http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13348864755#1
21:24.23mille25:D
21:24.28IskatuMesk:D
21:25.05JademusSreg=D
21:25.24BountyI don't even know who that is?
21:25.42Bounty17 years is a long time though >.<
21:25.50JademusSregBeg your pardo?
21:25.56mille25one of the guys who created wow and such
21:26.03IskatuMeskprobably one of the last few sane people who was left
21:26.29IskatuMesknow he'll make farmville or something
21:26.33mille25oh, its blizzard bash time again? :D
21:26.43Bountylol
21:26.51IskatuMeskinternville
21:26.54IskatuMesknow that would be an amazing game
21:27.31IskatuMeskavoid the bald man, avoid the closets, avoid the web design department, avoid little billy, beat up other interns, survive one whole day
21:27.40IskatuMeskit would be a roguelike with death at every corner
21:27.51Bountyand no loot
21:27.55IskatuMeskyes
21:28.43BountyDungeon crawl and monster slay by day and moonlight as a waiter by night
21:28.48JademusSregAnti-loot, can only pickup responsibilities.
21:29.02MoonEaterMOON HAS ARIVED
21:29.14MoonEaterincandescence glow
21:29.14IskatuMeskyou have to scribble a facebook and tumblr post every 5 minutes or go insane
21:29.41Bountywait a tick
21:29.46MoonEaterpraise the sun!
21:30.00BountyHow did you spell incandescence correctly MoonEater?
21:30.06Bountylol
21:30.18MoonEaterwhat?
21:30.31BountyI've seen you typo 4 letter words >.<
21:30.31MoonEaterim american not illiterate
21:30.50Bountyfair enough
21:31.18MoonEaterwe know how to spell things right, we just choose not to spend the time todo so
21:31.48Bountychecks his handbook
21:32.28IskatuMeskaddresses notes scribbled on jade's forehead
21:32.52JademusSreg*in
21:33.36MoonEaterprepares surgical equipment to help IskatuMesk extract notes
21:33.48IskatuMeskwe're going in deep
21:34.06IskatuMeskyep, definitely wanna use this one. can cover pain titan
21:34.12IskatuMeskgonna round up textures
21:34.13MoonEaterhe could totaly survive, if i took the hipocratic oath
21:34.28MoonEaterbut... i didnt
21:34.29BountyBe sure to jimmie the lock
21:34.30MoonEatergg jade
21:35.45DZ_AFK_BOREDnice fix JademusSreg , so you prefer to have notes scribbled so hard on your head that they cut huh?
21:35.49IskatuMesklooks like only two textures this time
21:35.50DZ_AFK_BOREDdidn't know you were a masochist
21:36.06IskatuMeskhe consorts with me, you have to be a masochist for that
21:36.21MoonEaterah shit made jade impotent, not like he was going to use it anyways
21:36.23JademusSregTo be fair, most people don't know anything about me,
21:36.24Bountygoogles masochist
21:36.56pirateother than he's rogue blizzard operative
21:36.57Bountyis shocked at the definition
21:36.59TorhalI know you use IRC, JademusSreg.
21:37.11JademusSreg=D
21:37.13DZ_AFK_BOREDto be fair, that is by your choices, JademusSreg
21:37.36BountyDoes he really Torhal? How sure can we be?
21:37.41IskatuMeskI know you are a masochist
21:38.04pirateand that you bear infants
21:38.12MoonEaterpokes jade brain knowing nothing
21:38.20TorhalBounty: Well, there's this thing called logic. At least, that's what I've been told.
21:38.30JademusSregHaha
21:38.49IskatuMeskI also remember what jade looks like to an extent
21:38.57IskatuMeskand what his ladyfriend from like 12 years ago looked like
21:39.02BountyTorhal: There is this thing called sarcasm, have you not heard the legends?
21:39.19IskatuMeskbut chances are you mutated since then
21:39.22piratedude I'm pretty sure for all intents and purposes torhal's a robot
21:39.27JademusSregHaha.
21:39.44IskatuMesklogic is for nerds
21:39.52MoonEaterbounty i know  In russia you dont make sarcastic joke sarcastic joke makes you but in america its opposite
21:39.59DZ_AFK_BOREDby the way Bounty , since you found that last quiz so terrible, I found one more to your tastes: http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/cornhusker/what-type-of-redneck-are-you/
21:40.11Bountylol no thanks DZ
21:40.26BountyI have to be pretty damn bored to get to that level
21:40.31Bounty>.<
21:41.35TorhalBounty: There is no sarcasm. There is only scathing banter. This is, after all, The Internet.
21:42.01Bountywhispers to pirate, "You were right.. robot".
21:42.06MoonEateri thought the internet was a collection of computer systems
21:42.09MoonEaterman was i wrong
21:42.20TorhalNah. It's all Black Magic, Voodoo, and Chivalry.
21:42.40IskatuMeskbecoming sleepy
21:42.51MoonEaterthat it was that magical thing called the cold war were countries fought without fighting
21:43.08TorhalNo, that's pro wrestling.
21:43.34BountyActually I think pro wrestling has more fighting than the Cold War....
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21:43.49MoonEateroh so if its vooodo? does that mean jade is a zombie?
21:43.54pirateI thought the internet was simply a series of tubes
21:44.25BountyCold War would be like every pro wrestling show consisting of the Rock standing in the ring talking trash to his opponent who never comes out.
21:46.23MoonEaterpirate, the new attach actor just need to have the omni light model nothing else?
21:46.50piratewell
21:47.03pirateconsider that actors only have one model field
21:47.26MoonEateri mean i dont need any events or anything other that that for the actor
21:48.18Torhal~seen sixen
21:48.25purlsixen <~Sixen@ip24-255-9-95.tc.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 125d 17h 4m 10s ago, saying: 'lol :/'.
21:48.25TorhalBah.
21:48.37Torhalpurl, you slow.
21:48.41Bountylol
21:49.02MoonEaterdamn
21:49.08MoonEaterit searched back 125 days
21:49.15Bounty~seen Otixa
21:49.15purlotixa <Otixa@shadowtemplar.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 68d 3h 43m 31s ago, saying: 'We'll see how unity5 fares'.
21:49.30Bounty~seen Xaragoth
21:49.31purlxaragoth <~name@ip-178-202-132-129.unitymediagroup.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 741d 6h 46s ago, saying: 'I mean, I am not the best sc2 player, but even I have better micro XD'.
21:49.35MoonEaterotixa doesnt even make maps
21:49.35MoonEaterlolz
21:49.36BountyBAM
21:49.41Bounty741
21:49.44Bountylol
21:52.19MoonEaterbounty help me with glowy
21:52.22MoonEateror IskatuMesk
21:52.27MoonEaterplease ^.^
21:52.34MoonEaterpirate maybe
21:52.37MoonEaterbut he left meh
21:52.38MoonEater:(
21:52.48pirateokay
21:53.06IskatuMeskwut glowy
21:53.09piratewhat happened when you tried to attach the omni model actor to whatever youre trying to attach it to
21:53.13IskatuMeskI don't know anything about actors unfortunately
21:53.24MoonEaterwell it shows the cirlce
21:53.27MoonEaterbut no glow
21:53.40piratebut I must warn you moon, you are running dangerous low on dubloons required for pirate aid
21:53.51IskatuMeskrob some banks
21:54.33pirateso, there is no noticeable change
21:54.33MoonEaterlolz
21:54.35pirate?
21:54.38pirateis what youre saying?
21:54.50Bounty?
21:55.17Bountywhat are you trying to do MoonEater
21:55.17MoonEater<PROTECTED>
21:55.31MoonEateradd glowy to spell cirlce
21:55.50Bountydoes it have an attachment point?
21:56.33piratewouldnt it fallback to the center of the host model?
21:56.41Bountyyeah
21:56.44MoonEaterIskatuMesk
21:56.52MoonEaterdid u add center attachpoint?
21:56.53Bountybut is that what he wants? the center glow?
21:57.04MoonEaterits a spell circle
21:57.05piratehe just wants the actor to glow
21:57.09MoonEaterit should be glowy
21:57.12Bountyoh
21:57.19piratehe wont tell us if its a unit or a doodad, or other helpful information
21:57.24Bountyyou set the tint last night right MoonEater?
21:57.25MoonEaterunit
21:57.31MoonEaterya that worked awsome
21:57.39Bountyjust increase the HDR
21:58.09Bountyand enable "Glow Start" if you want a pulse
21:59.05IskatuMeskthere are no attachments
21:59.08IskatuMesksince you never mentioned that
21:59.12IskatuMeskI can add them though
21:59.49IskatuMeskwhere do you want it
21:59.54IskatuMeskin the center at ground level?
22:00.06BountyI don't think he needs an attachment point
22:01.28MoonEaterIskatuMesk, si
22:01.32MoonEaterjust need 1
22:01.45MoonEatera center one
22:01.58BountyThat is going to look really weird MoonEater....
22:02.05MoonEatercenter?
22:02.06IskatuMeskwww.gameproc.com/meskstuff/apex_dev/glowcircle.m3
22:02.07MoonEaterwhy
22:02.22Bountybecause what are you attaching to it? the OmniLight model?
22:02.39Bountythe center of that model is the strongest point of light
22:02.47MoonEaterno, like if i want to attach a status effect
22:02.52MoonEateri have a carbot zergling
22:02.57MoonEaterand it hasa poop attack
22:03.02IskatuMesklol
22:03.05Bountyso its going to look like the center is bright as fuck while the outer parts are dimmer
22:03.10MoonEaterattach a sprite terd to stuff
22:03.15Bountyoh
22:03.54BountyI am pretty sure this is the first I've heard of this....
22:03.55Bountylol
22:04.36MoonEateru never asked
22:04.58BountyI don't even....
22:05.48IskatuMeskI think I am too tired to generate textures for this
22:05.55IskatuMeskmaybe I will prepare another model instead
22:06.38MoonEaterlolz
22:07.37JademusSreghttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DerpCircle.7z
22:08.03MoonEaterIskatuMesk textures for what?
22:08.07JademusSregHaha
22:09.41IskatuMeskanother demon unit
22:09.52IskatuMeskI'd need to set up her normals, specs, and wait for jade to do the emissives again
22:09.57IskatuMesktoo sleepy
22:10.15MoonEaterBounty the glow is amazing
22:10.15IskatuMesksetting up the animations is brainless, so I guess I'll get another ready to put in
22:10.17IskatuMeskmaybe a hero candidate
22:10.28Bounty=P
22:12.43JademusSreghttps://www.dropbox.com/s/o3v865fm4qbcse6/Aardvarkannon.jpg
22:13.29RepoUpdated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Abilities / Build - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/abilities/build/
22:14.22IskatuMeskjade's getting mah lazers a firin'
22:14.48pirateJade
22:14.56pirateideas for base user model?
22:15.04IskatuMeska loli
22:15.25piraterequires regularish dude with big technosword
22:16.04pirateinitial thoughts are lich king animations
22:16.22JademusSregDepends on the abilities. But could use Zeratul with the Voidseeker attached to the weapon point, haha.
22:16.36piratebut then DZ would refuse to play!
22:17.02pirateI always use protoss protagonist models
22:17.51JademusSregDunno how that matters, but whatever. Either grab for WoW or Herostorm, or pester a modeler.
22:18.08pirateI am good at pester
22:18.45pirateahah
22:18.47JademusSregHere's with the laser unpowered, for comparison: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2wqtxhji6a4dzzz/Aardvepyon.jpg
22:19.16pirateI finally my command queue bar fill up acceptably with any given combination of commands
22:19.34piratesearches for an erection joke
22:19.56JademusSregNo need, you seem bursting with them.
22:21.03IskatuMeskI am curious how you will get the drone movement working
22:21.13piratewho do you suppose the best modeler we got is?
22:21.52IskatuMeskfrom what I have seen in terms of assets, probably otixa
22:22.33JademusSregUploaded a shot from the same angle for the unpowered, better comparison.
22:22.55pirateI dont recall an otixia
22:22.57IskatuMeskbut the best person I knew personally was probably sgthk, whose work was partly incorporated into that onslaught juggernaut
22:23.13IskatuMesktook him about a year from scratch to be making wol cinematic quality level stuff
22:23.21IskatuMeskthen he decided he was too good to help me anymore :3
22:23.36JademusSregDelph+Nana are industrious, Zol and Otixa are absent, Mesk doesn't take requests as I recall.
22:23.49IskatuMeskI am not a real modeler though
22:23.56IskatuMeskI can't texture or uv so nothing I make counts
22:24.04JademusSregHaha.
22:24.26JademusSregEven an imaginary modeler beats a not-at-all modeler.
22:24.42IskatuMeskotixa is absent but from what he showed me of his work and what I saw of his sc2-related work he was producing the most detailed assets that I have seen out of the sc2 community by a large margin
22:25.07IskatuMesksome others exhibit skill but I haven't seen any really detailed or completed work from them
22:25.13IskatuMeskdelph is good
22:25.20IskatuMeskbut has a bit of ways to go
22:25.37IskatuMeskhis dedication is what makes him really stand out
22:25.40IskatuMeskthe fact he can keep working
22:26.34piratehe does consistently make shiny things
22:26.45IskatuMeskI knew a few super good people in brood war
22:27.00pirateif mesk could make, could someone else texture?
22:27.06IskatuMesksgthk I met from there, there was wargiant but he worked with nurbs
22:27.18IskatuMeskif delph was more available I'd ask him to texture some models
22:27.22IskatuMeskand I would remodel the terran ships
22:28.04pirateand you have no vested interested in a regularish guy with a technosword?
22:28.14JademusSregI make minor requests from Delph, so you may have some luck, especially if it overlaps with something already doing/done.
22:28.23IskatuMeskI can't make organics
22:28.32IskatuMeskall I've got going for me is I know how to port a lot of things
22:28.43IskatuMeskbut most of them you wouldn't want on a published map
22:30.02IskatuMeskeventually I will see if these PSA tools work out for me, and if I can locate the bulletstorm characters
22:30.16IskatuMeskif I can port those, they'll easily be cinematics quality models with quite a few animations I can choose from
22:30.33IskatuMeskwill make a few nice heroes
22:30.38pirateyeah, delph seems to like me and I feel that I could get his help some
22:30.57IskatuMeskI may end up eventually modeling those ships regardless
22:31.07IskatuMeskI really do hate the way the bc and everything look
22:31.22IskatuMeskwould settle for something with a placeholder texture
22:32.04IskatuMeskI've got some turrets I modelled that may never make it into the game since they need textures
22:32.37piratewhat I'd really like, is http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/069/6/7/terran_ghost_variations_by_phillgonzo-d5xnurf.jpg with a sword and proper animations
22:32.53JademusSregPlaceholder texture suggestions: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ad3gtlr40l2nrz2/TurnAndCough.jpg  https://www.dropbox.com/s/39s3o1d0e1qsqv5/LoadingScreen.jpg
22:33.00IskatuMeskthat glossiness is really ugly
22:33.20IskatuMeskwhat jade linked is perfect though
22:33.41IskatuMeskI can't get over how no one can do hair
22:33.53IskatuMeskif that was an ingame cap I'd believe it, be fucked if I can get hair to look any good
22:34.13IskatuMeskalmost seems like you should avoid even having normals on hair in this game
22:34.58IskatuMeskprobably why unreal et all typically use fairly complex custom shaders for it
22:36.01IskatuMesktechswords are fairly easy
22:36.15IskatuMeskyou can rip one from wow using max and give it a specular/normal
22:36.29IskatuMeskit's the animations that will get you
22:38.27IskatuMeskif I knew how to merge animations in 3ds max I would rip some bloodymare models
22:38.45IskatuMesktechnically you can rip skyrim, etc as well
22:39.25IskatuMeskfind something user made you want for skyrim or oblivion, see if they'll let you use it, use nifskope to drag out any embedded textures, use the nif importer to put in max, merge the animations somehow, presto
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22:40.36IskatuMeskif you know someone who can rig and animate, I've got all of the dmc4 models
22:41.05IskatuMesksome nice techy-like angels in there
22:42.41IskatuMeskpersonally, gona want some better swords for this dual wielding demon girl
22:46.43IskatuMeskhttps://i.imgur.com/8ZNcxHP.png what happens when I only change diffuse
22:47.24JademusSregHaha.
22:47.41ArcanePariahlol
22:48.16MoonEateru know
22:48.34MoonEateri wonder how much money it would take blizzard to translate afew of the good maps
22:48.40MoonEaterit would probably be worth it
22:49.02MoonEatermaybe i should offer a map to korean translation service and charge money for it
22:49.21JademusSregOr you can open source your localizations. =\
22:49.40MoonEateropen source localization doesnt neccesaraly mean translation
22:50.32JademusSregPhew, what a relief I didn't say that.
22:51.08MoonEaterim just saying i could make a buck off of adding korean localizations to maps
22:51.19JademusSregGopher it.
22:51.36MoonEatermaybe but i hate dealing with that bitch
22:51.45MoonEaterim better off translation to tagalog
22:51.56piratemost koreans know english >.>
22:52.17MoonEaterhave u seen how well a korean knows english?
22:52.25MoonEatera korean from korea
22:52.36MoonEaterif thats english then i dont want it
22:52.56IskatuMeskI knew one who repeatedly thought "wolf" was pronounced "wuff" even when I told him otherwise... several times
22:52.57MoonEaterits like americans know spanish
22:53.01MoonEaterthey teach it in highschool
22:53.04MoonEateru got to learn it
22:53.18MoonEaterbut i bet mexicans still cant understand them
22:53.38IskatuMeskhis english wasn't particularly terrible, it was just certain words he consciously decided to fuck up
22:53.49IskatuMeskas if to spite me
22:54.14Bountyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtYzVJcWyA
22:56.24MoonEaternow
22:56.27MoonEateradd a jumpscare
22:56.46IskatuMeskgod damn science
22:56.50JademusSregBetter idea: don't.
23:01.50MoonEaterwhat do u mean
23:02.01MoonEaterbounty is the only person to make a scary game
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23:02.08MoonEaterhe demands scare
23:02.14MoonEaterand communism
23:02.17MoonEaterbut scares 2
23:02.21IskatuMesktime to pass out
23:02.22IskatuMeskhave fun
23:03.23JademusSregJumpscares are lame.
23:05.10BountyJumpscares for the sake of jumpscares are lame
23:07.48JademusSregIt's like that comedian in that Metalocalypse episode Dethkomedy, iirc, who just said the names of old cartoons repeatedly. "Hey you remember Snorks? Snorks? Snorks!" Instead, the game is just obnoxiously shouting "Monster? Monster?! Monster!" (with the voice of a Meeseeks from Rick and Morty)
23:09.16Bounty*shrug* the jumpscares in HF have a mechanical purpose and were not put in for no reason
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23:10.50JademusSregDeadspace and the recent run of explorror games like Amnesia are my goto reference for lame jumpscares.
23:11.54BountyIn HF, the jumpscares as cast by the Adjutant to get you to look at her. They never happen without her doing so for that purpose.
23:11.59Bountyare cast*
23:12.42piratehttp://us.battle.net/arcade/en/blog/14685341/top-ten-reveal-coming-soon-7-3-2014
23:12.57pirateI know jade != traysent
23:13.33pirateis there an inter-blizz messaging system or did you go over to his cubicle to tell him? :P
23:14.04BountyIf I ever found out JademusSreg was Traysent I am pretty sure I would kill myself on the spot lol
23:14.18BountyGEE GEE
23:14.54piratethey can't be, traysent has sigNIFicantly different typed mannerisms
23:15.39pirateyou may want to pass on that he miscolored the text styling
23:16.11Bountylol
23:18.40Bountyoh man, first the misaligned picture and now this pirate
23:18.47Bounty>.<
23:19.33piratethose that actually make the posts are overworked and underpaid
23:25.19MoonEaterbounty
23:25.22MoonEaterim telling u
23:25.23MoonEaterthe forest
23:25.27MoonEaterget famous bro
23:29.44Bounty?
23:31.34MoonEaterwhat im saying is u can do horror games, and theres not any scarry games on sc2 really
23:32.41BountyI could also just make Doodad Hunt 2
23:33.11BountyIts much easier to get "famous" doing the same things that was successful before
23:39.40MoonEaterlolz
23:43.52JademusSreg=D
23:44.48DZ_AFK_BOREDif anyone is seeking a really good reason to yell fuck you at their computer, here you go:  http://www.kongregate.com/games/icylime/multitask
23:47.04JademusSreg???
23:47.36DZ_AFK_BOREDstupid minigame I decided to entertain myself with
23:47.49DZ_AFK_BOREDfinally got my goal of over 100 points
23:48.15JademusSregSeems like it could be easily defeated with autohotkey/python input script.
23:50.37DZ_AFK_BOREDsure, if that script could read the screen and make decisions accordingly
23:52.24JademusSregNot beyond reason.
23:52.32BountyTruth be told MoonEater, I most likely will end up making a sequel to one or both of those games
23:52.47JademusSregUses simple enough graphics for it to be feasible.
23:53.03BountyBut doing a different genre as much as possible has helped learn things I would not have otherwise learned, namsayin?
23:53.08DZ_AFK_BOREDthis your way of saying you couldn't get very far, JademusSreg ?

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