| 00:00.14 | Teratron | actually mooneater i'll have just 3 entries |
| 00:00.22 | Teratron | the whole thing will be too big with 10 |
| 00:00.43 | Teratron | what about a progress bar ? |
| 00:00.53 | Teratron | would that be complicated ? |
| 00:00.55 | MoonEater | progress bars are more complicated |
| 00:01.00 | MoonEater | they work |
| 00:01.09 | pirate | (not if you do them in daaaataaaaaa...) |
| 00:01.09 | MoonEater | but it would be on u to fiddle |
| 00:01.25 | MoonEater | then show him how to make a leaderboard in data |
| 00:01.26 | MoonEater | loilz |
| 00:01.32 | Teratron | i don't need them now |
| 00:01.35 | pirate | oh god no I don't have the patience for that |
| 00:01.37 | Teratron | i may try it later |
| 00:03.28 | MoonEater | pirate those stats, thats a dialog isnt it? |
| 00:03.30 | MoonEater | you cheated... |
| 00:03.50 | pirate | they are, but they dont have to be |
| 00:04.05 | pirate | wait, which stats, in the item tooltip? |
| 00:04.45 | MoonEater | was thinking the hero stats |
| 00:04.54 | MoonEater | the tooltip is doable in data isnt it? |
| 00:05.02 | pirate | yes, and that one is |
| 00:05.34 | pirate | the hero stats arent part of the inventory though, which what we're talking about |
| 00:06.27 | MoonEater | yes ur right |
| 00:06.49 | MoonEater | so u have a 60 slot inventory? |
| 00:07.05 | MoonEater | how did u do the drop fields next to the hero? |
| 00:07.38 | pirate | it functions as a 72 slot inventory |
| 00:07.59 | pirate | comprised of two slapped together 36 slots |
| 00:08.21 | pirate | aligned so that you couldnt tell |
| 00:08.43 | pirate | the equip slots were placed, again, with layout files |
| 00:09.08 | MoonEater | ah see i dont know too much about layouts i didnt know they could do that much tho |
| 00:09.59 | pirate | oh theres a shop too |
| 00:09.59 | pirate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JXshUY3qjE#t=56 |
| 00:10.20 | Teratron | what unit is the size moooneater ? |
| 00:12.08 | MoonEater | Teratron? |
| 00:13.26 | MoonEater | pirate, what is the name of those little plusses? |
| 00:13.29 | MoonEater | for stats |
| 00:13.40 | pirate | made them myself |
| 00:14.59 | MoonEater | those plusses part of a dialog? |
| 00:15.17 | pirate | yes (but again, they dont have to be) |
| 00:16.06 | Teratron | what's the size |
| 00:16.09 | Teratron | of the box |
| 00:16.14 | Teratron | i do not understand these numbers |
| 00:16.24 | Teratron | pixels or what |
| 00:16.34 | pirate | experiment |
| 00:16.37 | Teratron | im getting bored today nothing's working |
| 00:16.42 | MoonEater | Teratron, the number is resolution, ull have to tinker with it untill you get the size you want 600x800 is fine |
| 00:16.53 | MoonEater | i do like the interface |
| 00:16.55 | MoonEater | very clean |
| 00:17.15 | MoonEater | ive polished mine up alittle but its no were close to what i want it to be |
| 00:17.47 | MoonEater | anyways, with my system i can drag the windows and drag weapons to weapon slots |
| 00:18.16 | MoonEater | infact it doesnt support double click to place |
| 00:18.16 | MoonEater | XD |
| 00:21.48 | Teratron | how do i put text into the box now |
| 00:22.33 | pirate | dialog item label |
| 00:22.49 | pirate | why is it that missiles dont respect the global time scale? |
| 00:23.27 | Teratron | do i need to do closable before this or after ? |
| 00:23.39 | MoonEater | missles should respect time scales |
| 00:23.44 | MoonEater | they can be chronoboosted |
| 00:24.02 | pirate | oh they do |
| 00:24.06 | MoonEater | Teratron, ur goal is to get somthing on the screen doesnt matter what yet |
| 00:24.12 | pirate | I'm just crazy |
| 00:25.17 | pirate | what missiles have you been chronoboosting o.O |
| 00:25.44 | Teratron | what does text color automatic mean ? |
| 00:25.57 | MoonEater | i havent but missles are almost identical to units |
| 00:26.03 | MoonEater | some missles r units |
| 00:26.20 | MoonEater | they should be chronoboostable if the missle flag is removed from the boost |
| 00:28.16 | MoonEater | my biggest problem is that theres no mouse over feature for dialog buttons |
| 00:32.45 | MoonEater | ahli you alive? |
| 00:32.57 | MoonEater | Ahli |
| 00:33.37 | pirate | Fun quirk: if you set the time scale to 1/100th and the casters time scale to x100, periodic abilities that rely on source unit for position will rotate to meet the caster as they turn post-cast |
| 00:34.57 | JademusSreg | Gif. |
| 00:35.12 | pirate | grrrr gimme a min |
| 00:35.19 | pirate | I didnt describe well |
| 00:36.05 | Bounty | http://blogs.disney.com/oh-my-disney/2014/05/13/quiz-which-disney-villain-are-you/ |
| 00:36.08 | Bounty | lulz |
| 00:36.37 | JademusSreg | Is Bounty Ursula? |
| 00:36.43 | Bounty | Do it DeadZergling =P |
| 00:36.47 | Bounty | nah |
| 00:36.48 | JademusSreg | No, Gaston. |
| 00:36.56 | Bounty | I got Scar |
| 00:37.19 | JademusSreg | Hm, don't see the resemblance. |
| 00:37.25 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 00:38.24 | JademusSreg | ~whois Bounty |
| 00:38.24 | purl | somebody said bounty was extremely absorbent, great for cleaning up spills, blood, and other bodily fluids. |
| 00:38.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:38.36 | DeadZergling | probably going to get Jafar |
| 00:38.40 | DeadZergling | but see what happens |
| 00:38.49 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/BVlpGY8.gif |
| 00:40.07 | pirate | two solutions come to mind |
| 00:40.16 | pirate | 1) dummy casters for all projectiles |
| 00:40.35 | DeadZergling | nope, although I know a few of my answers were 'Jafar' |
| 00:40.43 | Ahli | I'm scar, too... >_> |
| 00:40.44 | DeadZergling | apparently I get to be Mother Gothel |
| 00:40.55 | DeadZergling | You’re a bit vain, and you always think that your opinion is right. We’d advise staying away from towers and really attractive thieves. |
| 00:41.04 | pirate | 2) switch effect that moves the damage search from the caster-based persistent to a missile behavior search |
| 00:41.06 | pirate | (I got scar) |
| 00:41.09 | DeadZergling | granted, a few of the answers I had to guess as I hated all the answers, lol |
| 00:41.15 | Bounty | same pirate |
| 00:41.25 | Ahli | "You love the outdoors and spending time with your hilarious friends. You're probably the youngest, and are a tad jealous of your sibling. You have a theatrical streak and love to perform for others." no, I don't love the outdoors |
| 00:41.28 | DeadZergling | so both of you would murder your own brother for power |
| 00:41.29 | DeadZergling | good to know |
| 00:41.42 | pirate | (secretly bounty and pirate ARE brothers) |
| 00:41.46 | Bounty | I am not sure the outdoors part makes sense |
| 00:41.51 | JademusSreg | ~whois pirate |
| 00:41.51 | purl | So forgive me my rough mood unaccustomed to sue; I woo not, perhaps, as your landlubbers do. |
| 00:41.52 | DeadZergling | ahli too it seems |
| 00:41.55 | DeadZergling | what a murderous lot |
| 00:42.08 | Bounty | Scar was technically indoors a lot lol |
| 00:42.14 | Bounty | by Africa standards |
| 00:42.17 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:42.38 | Bounty | Triple Scars eh? |
| 00:42.40 | Bounty | *high five* |
| 00:42.40 | pirate | ~whois jademussreg |
| 00:42.40 | purl | rumour has it, jademussreg is living large with women and money |
| 00:42.59 | pirate | ~whois daeod |
| 00:43.04 | pirate | GOTCHA |
| 00:43.07 | Bounty | ~whois pirate |
| 00:43.07 | purl | So forgive me my rough mood unaccustomed to sue; I woo not, perhaps, as your landlubbers do. |
| 00:43.11 | pirate | wait, fucj |
| 00:43.19 | pirate | ~whois Deaod |
| 00:43.19 | purl | [deaod] a stinky cheese muffin. |
| 00:43.20 | Bounty | ~whois DeadZergling |
| 00:43.20 | purl | rumour has it, deadzergling is often involves a fat person, falling and/or getting hit |
| 00:43.31 | pirate | ~whois purl |
| 00:43.31 | purl | [purl] male |
| 00:43.34 | Bounty | ~whois Stewox |
| 00:43.34 | purl | [stewox] an annoying brat. |
| 00:43.39 | Bounty | rofl |
| 00:43.39 | pirate | WHAT IS THIS BLACK MAGIC |
| 00:43.48 | Deaod | "a stinky cheese muffin."? |
| 00:43.51 | Deaod | wat |
| 00:43.54 | DeadZergling | ~whois bounty |
| 00:43.54 | purl | well, bounty is extremely absorbent, great for cleaning up spills, blood, and other bodily fluids. |
| 00:44.02 | Bounty | :( |
| 00:44.14 | DeadZergling | ~whois bounty |
| 00:44.14 | purl | [bounty] extremely absorbent, great for cleaning up spills, blood, and other bodily fluids. |
| 00:44.16 | Bounty | ~whois Merc |
| 00:44.27 | Bounty | yeah I got it DZ |
| 00:44.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:44.38 | DeadZergling | just seeing if it is random, or just some bullshit JademusSreg put in |
| 00:44.46 | DeadZergling | seems it is bullshit |
| 00:44.51 | pirate | ~whois DeadZergling |
| 00:44.52 | purl | i guess deadzergling is often involves a fat person, falling and/or getting hit |
| 00:45.10 | JademusSreg | It's non-random, but I don't write most of these. |
| 00:45.11 | Bounty | ~whois MoonEater |
| 00:45.12 | purl | hmm... mooneater is a momma hamster, devouring its young. |
| 00:45.23 | JademusSreg | I did write Bounty's, though. |
| 00:45.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:45.37 | Bounty | I think the old one was written by Bibendus |
| 00:45.43 | Bounty | "Bounty is a trigger whore" |
| 00:45.56 | JademusSreg | Obviously, as it reflects my diction. |
| 00:46.05 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 00:46.32 | Bounty | ~whois A1win |
| 00:46.32 | purl | i heard a1win is known for his motto: "I won't settle for not-failure." |
| 00:46.40 | MoonEater | lolz i got Captain Hook |
| 00:46.42 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 00:46.45 | Bounty | ~whois Ahli |
| 00:46.46 | purl | well, ahli is always walking upside down with a hat on his ass |
| 00:46.50 | JademusSreg | I think Mephs or Xaragoth wrote Sixen's description. |
| 00:47.03 | Bounty | ~whois Sixen |
| 00:47.03 | purl | sixen is probably our glorious overlord who without, we wouldn't have this cyberslum to fling our messy verbal diarrhea around. |
| 00:47.14 | MoonEater | ~who is jade |
| 00:47.14 | purl | hmm... jade is an implementation of the DSSSL style language. |
| 00:47.32 | MoonEater | ~whois JudemusSreg |
| 00:47.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:47.40 | Bounty | Well, Sixen is never here and we still exist... time for a rewrite JademusSreg |
| 00:48.13 | MoonEater | make sure to put bully in for me |
| 00:48.38 | Bounty | ~whois Teratron |
| 00:48.38 | purl | methinks teratron is known as Stewox. |
| 00:48.43 | Bounty | YES |
| 00:48.46 | Bounty | haha |
| 00:48.55 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 00:48.57 | Bounty | Well done to whoever wrote that |
| 00:49.04 | Bounty | methinks I know who |
| 00:49.12 | MoonEater | who? |
| 00:49.20 | Bounty | The NSA |
| 00:49.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:50.26 | MoonEater | goood burn |
| 00:50.45 | Bounty | Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08-uyfp2iPM |
| 00:50.51 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:51.06 | DeadZergling | not another random video link |
| 00:51.11 | MoonEater | ~whois obscenecereal |
| 00:51.40 | MoonEater | pirate, u need to use that video for your trailer |
| 00:51.45 | JademusSreg | ~whois Obscene |
| 00:51.46 | purl | from memory, obscene is awesome Stewox is a loser. known as TaintedWisp. |
| 00:51.52 | JademusSreg | HAhahaha. |
| 00:52.02 | MoonEater | HAHA |
| 00:52.04 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 00:52.20 | DeadZergling | ~whois JademusSreg |
| 00:52.21 | purl | well, jademussreg is living large with women and money |
| 00:52.34 | DeadZergling | so he is fat and overpaid, sounds about right |
| 00:52.41 | Bounty | ~whois EZL |
| 00:52.52 | Bounty | ~whois Dustin |
| 00:52.52 | purl | somebody said dustin was a girl |
| 00:53.14 | DeadZergling | according to Dustin, he is very awesome and has a very meaningful impact on all those he talks to |
| 00:53.15 | MoonEater | ~whois stewox |
| 00:53.15 | purl | from memory, stewox is an annoying brat. |
| 00:53.15 | Bounty | and it was not a random video link DeadZergling |
| 00:53.27 | Bounty | love that song and I thought it was fitting after the quiz thing lol |
| 00:53.44 | DeadZergling | yea, fits right in.... |
| 00:53.47 | MoonEater | ~whois keuken |
| 00:53.47 | purl | i guess keuken is a master crasher. |
| 00:53.47 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:53.59 | DeadZergling | with random disney quiz you throw in |
| 00:54.17 | Bounty | Yeah, 3 people got Scar so.... |
| 00:54.24 | Bounty | my bad? |
| 00:54.29 | JademusSreg | Mephs or Dogmai wrote mine a while back. |
| 00:54.38 | Bounty | ~whois Dogmai |
| 00:54.39 | purl | [dogmai] a jew |
| 00:54.47 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:54.49 | Bounty | ~whois Mephs |
| 00:54.49 | purl | well, mephs is someone who loves the taste of glazed hot dogs - and by that, I mean a cock whose head is all messy with cum! |
| 00:55.04 | Bounty | interesting |
| 00:55.15 | Bounty | Sounds like Mephs enjoys being jimmied |
| 00:55.27 | DeadZergling | sounds like Bounty enjoys jimmy voyeurism |
| 00:55.32 | Bounty | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jimmied |
| 00:57.21 | DeadZergling | while on such an important topic as which Disney villain are you, you can also discover what kind of idiot are you: http://blogs.disney.com/oh-my-disney/2014/06/20/quiz-are-you-timon-or-pumbaa/ |
| 00:57.40 | Bounty | meh |
| 00:57.46 | Bounty | only 2 possible results? |
| 00:58.02 | DeadZergling | be hilarious if they put in results that didn't match |
| 00:58.13 | DeadZergling | you are rafiki! |
| 00:58.29 | DeadZergling | i assume all of you would get scar again |
| 00:59.09 | JademusSreg | "You are the unnamed warddrobe from Beauty and the Beast." wtf |
| 00:59.21 | Bounty | "You’re Timon!" |
| 00:59.35 | Bounty | You’re a no-nonsense meerkat with a problem-free philosophy. You’re independent, loyal, and maybe have a little bit of an attitude, but your friends and family know you’ve always got their back. |
| 00:59.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:59.52 | JademusSreg | "You are Batman." ... |
| 01:00.59 | JademusSreg | "You are Zack Braff." Now that's not even a fictional character. |
| 01:01.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220) |
| 01:01.13 | MoonEater | jade, bounty |
| 01:01.18 | MoonEater | pirate |
| 01:01.18 | Bounty | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/10433097_10152172181166752_8393278195669700790_n.jpg |
| 01:01.18 | MoonEater | lozl |
| 01:01.22 | Bounty | haha |
| 01:01.43 | MoonEater | so i noticed when i look at the help and i see the unit there now but when i switch away and then back its gone |
| 01:01.55 | DeadZergling | so apparently I am Timon as well |
| 01:01.56 | JademusSreg | Oh shit, it's the Dude. |
| 01:02.04 | DeadZergling | meaning obviously, that me and Bounty are exactly the same |
| 01:02.10 | DeadZergling | and all should aspire to be like us |
| 01:02.27 | pirate | back |
| 01:02.31 | Bounty | I am curious of what it says if you get Pumba though |
| 01:02.42 | MoonEater | no its odd |
| 01:02.49 | Bounty | also nice catch JademusSreg, I did not see it |
| 01:02.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:03.32 | Bounty | You probably need to send the actor message everytime you open it MoonEater |
| 01:03.58 | MoonEater | bounty i would think that 2 but thata getto fix |
| 01:04.05 | DeadZergling | I say they all lose by being outside holding up signs for hours |
| 01:04.14 | Bounty | well fine |
| 01:04.19 | Bounty | stop asking me for help then |
| 01:04.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:04.27 | MoonEater | like if i open help and look at the unit it works but if i switch to another unit then back |
| 01:04.29 | MoonEater | it breaks |
| 01:04.33 | Bounty | 95% chance of ghetto fix |
| 01:04.53 | MoonEater | u mean send the actor message when help opens? |
| 01:04.56 | Bounty | yeah.. because its probably creating them on the fly |
| 01:04.59 | Bounty | therefore |
| 01:05.01 | MoonEater | or can u do it on unit click? |
| 01:05.04 | Bounty | send it again |
| 01:05.13 | MoonEater | what do u mean send it again |
| 01:05.14 | Bounty | DO IT NAOW |
| 01:05.16 | MoonEater | like via trigers? |
| 01:05.18 | Bounty | send the message again |
| 01:05.19 | MoonEater | NIGGA!!! |
| 01:05.31 | Bounty | its obviously creating the models on the fly |
| 01:06.08 | MoonEater | how do u suggest i send the actor message? |
| 01:06.21 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 01:06.27 | MoonEater | da faq |
| 01:06.30 | Bounty | isn't that what you did to solve the problem? |
| 01:06.40 | Bounty | or did you send the message in data |
| 01:06.52 | MoonEater | well how can i resend an actor message when a unit is selected in help? |
| 01:07.19 | MoonEater | what i did to solve the issue was |
| 01:07.27 | MoonEater | setting unit model frame actor |
| 01:09.16 | MoonEater | Bountyh |
| 01:10.12 | MoonEater | Bounty? |
| 01:10.22 | MoonEater | brb getting icecream with ms.mooneater |
| 01:16.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:21.00 | Bounty | Here ya go DeadZergling http://blogs.disney.com/oh-my-disney/2014/06/25/quiz-which-disney-princess-are-you/ |
| 01:21.05 | Bounty | >.< |
| 01:22.56 | DeadZergling | Yea, because I really want to know that one... |
| 01:23.28 | Bounty | haha |
| 01:23.33 | Bounty | well, I got Mulan |
| 01:23.40 | Bounty | I've never seen that movie so... *shrug* |
| 01:25.34 | Bounty | So, this is what I have so far for power ups DeadZergling and JademusSreg |
| 01:25.37 | Bounty | Speed Pierce Shield Rapid Fire Blind Cloak Aim Bot Death on Touch |
| 01:25.50 | Bounty | I guess I could add a god mode |
| 01:25.59 | DeadZergling | Tiana, I have no clue who that is |
| 01:26.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:26.43 | Bounty | Yeah I guess that was a stupid quiz, not like any of us remember those characters >.< |
| 01:27.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blub\0 (~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061) |
| 01:28.17 | DeadZergling | yea, find a new source of quizzes |
| 01:28.22 | DeadZergling | these suck |
| 01:28.42 | Bounty | http://www.playbuzz.com/rachaelg/which-word-best-describes-you |
| 01:28.56 | Bounty | my cousin posts some fun ones on FB |
| 01:29.11 | Bounty | passes the time |
| 01:33.16 | DeadZergling | funny one to give me, ambition |
| 01:33.35 | Bounty | I got creative |
| 01:33.46 | Bounty | *shrug* all these tests are bullshit |
| 01:33.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:33.51 | Bounty | just amusing |
| 01:34.05 | Bounty | ok heres one |
| 01:34.09 | DeadZergling | let's see if I can find a true BS one |
| 01:34.14 | Bounty | I got John F Kennedy LOL |
| 01:34.17 | Bounty | http://www.playbuzz.com/rebeccam16/which-20th-century-icon-were-you-in-a-past-life |
| 01:34.36 | Bounty | "Congrats, you were John F. Kennedy, 35th president of the United States of America! Well known to be a charming, good-looking individual with a good sense of humor, you also have an ambitious nature and a thirst for power. You would describe yourself as, “an idealist without illusions” and devote yourself fully to making the world a better place" |
| 01:34.53 | DeadZergling | here you go Bounty |
| 01:34.59 | DeadZergling | one all of us men should take |
| 01:35.01 | DeadZergling | http://www.chacha.com/quiz/799/what-kind-of-lingerie-are-you |
| 01:35.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:35.10 | Bounty | nice |
| 01:36.14 | JademusSreg | "You are creepy lingerie: you're taking this test." |
| 01:37.10 | Bounty | "Flannel PJs" |
| 01:37.12 | Bounty | rofl |
| 01:37.32 | DeadZergling | Birthday Suit |
| 01:37.34 | Bounty | "ou are flannel pajamas. Whether you're a top and bottoms set or a long checkered nightgown, you like to keep things plain, simple, and conventional. People see you as very practical and no-nonsense; you're probably not known for your sense of humor. You're easily pushed out of your comfort zone when it comes to sex appeal and owning your own sexuality. Friends and even potential partners might perceive you as naive and/or painfu |
| 01:37.40 | Bounty | eh |
| 01:37.44 | Bounty | why did I even paste that |
| 01:37.47 | Bounty | I didn't even read it |
| 01:37.48 | Bounty | way too long |
| 01:37.52 | JademusSreg | Hahahaha |
| 01:38.09 | DeadZergling | You are a birthday suit. You like to keep things as natural and unfettered as possible, so it's no surprise that you'd slip into the sheets sans a shirt or nightgown. Your friends see you as straight-forward, uncomplicated, and maybe even a little quirky. Your penchant for naked time could either mean you're just a relaxed individual, or it could mean you're a bit of a wild child. Either way, you like to buck tradition and |
| 01:38.26 | DeadZergling | whether that means balls to the walls anarchy or peace-loving hippydom. Your birthday suit tells bed mates that you're happy with who you are, and confidence is as sexy as it gets. You go, you sexy exhibitionist, you! |
| 01:38.38 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 01:38.54 | DeadZergling | since quizzes are stupid |
| 01:39.02 | DeadZergling | may as well take as stupid of ones as possible :) |
| 01:39.11 | Bounty | I do enjoy how the quiz tries to sum up your sexual habits based on what you like to wear lol |
| 01:39.24 | Bounty | Best question was if I get dressed up when I go out |
| 01:39.27 | Bounty | I answered |
| 01:39.39 | Bounty | "Fuck no, I'm going to the store to get some eggs... who am I trying to impress?" |
| 01:39.40 | Bounty | >.< |
| 01:39.49 | DeadZergling | i picked the one right before that |
| 01:40.00 | DeadZergling | to say, I don't care about dressing up regardless |
| 01:40.11 | Bounty | I was going to answer differently until I saw that answer |
| 01:40.18 | Bounty | didn't specify if it was OUT OUT |
| 01:40.25 | Bounty | or just a trip to 7 Eleven |
| 01:40.31 | DeadZergling | my idea of dressing up |
| 01:40.34 | DeadZergling | is wearing my nice shorts |
| 01:41.08 | Bounty | Wife and I wen't to Walgreens tonight and It was hot enough to the point my nips were showing through my tanktop + t shirt and I still went |
| 01:41.09 | Bounty | I think that sums it up |
| 01:41.19 | Bounty | >.< |
| 01:41.54 | Bounty | Nice shorts... you're so lame |
| 01:42.02 | Bounty | You probably wear flip flops |
| 01:42.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:42.08 | DeadZergling | well, at least we know I am playful in bed |
| 01:42.10 | DeadZergling | and you are naive |
| 01:42.26 | DeadZergling | naw, sandals are for hippies |
| 01:42.27 | Bounty | Playful does not get the job done |
| 01:42.30 | DeadZergling | i just wear tennis shoes all the time |
| 01:43.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:43.25 | DeadZergling | is one guy who works here |
| 01:43.31 | DeadZergling | he is in shorts and no shoes all the time |
| 01:44.48 | DeadZergling | they really do have a quiz for everything: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kristinchirico/which-sex-toy-are-you |
| 01:45.20 | JademusSreg | "Which quiz are you?" |
| 01:46.37 | Bounty | lol jade |
| 01:46.44 | Bounty | googles it |
| 01:46.56 | Bounty | got it |
| 01:47.03 | Bounty | http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/low_concept/2014/01/which_buzzfeed_quiz_are_you_quiz.html |
| 01:47.11 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 01:47.12 | DeadZergling | You got: The Handcuffs You’re very diplomatic, logical, and able to see things from all sides. A total engineer, you’ve never met a problem you couldn’t elegantly solve, even if it requires a little bit of out-of-the-box thinking. |
| 01:47.46 | Bounty | I can already tell this quiz is going to blow |
| 01:47.50 | Bounty | What is your Jam? |
| 01:47.55 | Bounty | 9 songs I don't even listen to... |
| 01:49.25 | Bounty | whoa |
| 01:49.26 | Bounty | mind fuck |
| 01:49.28 | Bounty | You got: "Which Buzzfeed Quiz Are You?" |
| 01:49.40 | Bounty | swear to jebus |
| 01:50.41 | Bounty | My result was the quiz I was taking.... |
| 01:51.46 | Bounty | DeadZergling You got: The Handcuffs |
| 01:52.04 | Bounty | Does this mean we be fwendz? |
| 01:52.34 | DeadZergling | Which Buzzfeed Quiz Are You? You got: "Which Simpsons Character Are You?" |
| 01:52.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:53.12 | DeadZergling | i dunno, simpsons were a bastion of hope to pick in a pile of crap |
| 01:53.29 | Bounty | I got the quiz I was taking |
| 01:53.31 | Bounty | =/ |
| 01:53.36 | Bounty | I dunno what to make of that |
| 01:53.45 | Bounty | Not that it matters |
| 01:53.48 | DeadZergling | means no one really knows what you are? |
| 01:53.56 | Bounty | I'll take that |
| 01:56.04 | MoonEater | bounty |
| 01:56.08 | MoonEater | sup bro |
| 01:56.13 | Bounty | Hello |
| 01:56.24 | MoonEater | so solution>? |
| 01:56.31 | Bounty | id |
| 01:56.32 | Bounty | idk* |
| 01:56.44 | Bounty | I gave you my solution |
| 01:56.50 | Bounty | You said its too ghetto lol |
| 01:56.52 | DeadZergling | such a silly question, you have to crap at work, what do you do |
| 01:57.00 | DeadZergling | you make a crap, duh |
| 01:57.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:58.41 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 01:58.57 | MoonEater | bounty i want to make sure its what i think it is |
| 01:59.00 | MoonEater | which is getto |
| 01:59.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~Eric@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:59.04 | MoonEater | maybe im wrong |
| 01:59.07 | MoonEater | i was prejudice |
| 01:59.12 | MoonEater | cause ur a nazi |
| 01:59.22 | MoonEater | and im sorry |
| 02:02.23 | DeadZergling | one way to be sure, MoonEater |
| 02:02.34 | MoonEater | . |
| 02:02.47 | DeadZergling | http://www.gotoquiz.com/which_dictator_are_you_3 |
| 02:03.02 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 02:03.03 | MoonEater | AHAH |
| 02:05.41 | DeadZergling | Benito Mussolini |
| 02:05.48 | MoonEater | George Bush |
| 02:06.02 | MoonEater | Adolf Hitler was the least |
| 02:06.05 | Bounty | I think its best if I don't reveal what I got |
| 02:06.09 | Bounty | brb |
| 02:06.13 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 02:06.14 | MoonEater | AHAHA |
| 02:06.16 | MoonEater | BOUNTY |
| 02:06.19 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 02:06.22 | DeadZergling | means he got hitler |
| 02:06.32 | MoonEater | im laughing soo hard right now |
| 02:06.33 | MoonEater | XD |
| 02:07.21 | MoonEater | you know i got george bush cause i picked not monogomous |
| 02:07.23 | DeadZergling | Now for an important quiz for me and JademusSreg to take |
| 02:07.24 | DeadZergling | http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/how-much-of-an-asshole-are-you |
| 02:08.16 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnj7to5r7e4vwfc/lolquiz.png |
| 02:08.19 | Bounty | thats what I got |
| 02:08.21 | Bounty | brb for real now |
| 02:08.23 | Bounty | enjoy that |
| 02:08.24 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:10.58 | MoonEater | Bounty |
| 02:11.04 | MoonEater | score was too low |
| 02:11.12 | MoonEater | u cheated on some of the questions |
| 02:11.35 | MoonEater | no way u got 85% |
| 02:11.40 | MoonEater | bullshit |
| 02:12.37 | Bounty | 85% Hitler and 85% Mussolini |
| 02:12.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:13.01 | DeadZergling | that quiz is obviously wrong, http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/07/02/53b36a9b77411.png |
| 02:13.19 | MoonEater | i got, i was an asshole |
| 02:13.21 | MoonEater | wow |
| 02:13.23 | MoonEater | u got that? |
| 02:13.39 | DeadZergling | yup, answered honestly |
| 02:13.50 | Teratron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-zDrWn6_U |
| 02:13.55 | MoonEater | ya... me 2 |
| 02:15.02 | DeadZergling | wonder what it gives you if you pick the biggest doushebag answers you can |
| 02:15.18 | Teratron | don't se anything on screen mooneater |
| 02:15.23 | Teratron | no box |
| 02:17.03 | Bounty | You got: NOT AN ASSHOLE AT ALL! |
| 02:17.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:18.04 | DeadZergling | another important one: http://www.gotoquiz.com/what_kind_of_serial_killer_would_you_be |
| 02:18.11 | Bounty | oh god |
| 02:18.15 | Bounty | digging deep you are |
| 02:18.17 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:18.58 | MoonEater | Teratron, make sure to add show last created dialog |
| 02:21.41 | DeadZergling | http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/07/02/53b36caaebdff.png |
| 02:23.20 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rwubeiz0n327qo6/quiz1231.png |
| 02:24.15 | Bounty | Well at least we finally got something different DeadZergling :) |
| 02:24.16 | DeadZergling | So I'm more for chaotic death all around me. |
| 02:24.22 | DeadZergling | And you are more for genocide. |
| 02:25.03 | DeadZergling | so they don't have a quiz for everything |
| 02:25.12 | DeadZergling | I checked for 'What kind of Yoda are you?' |
| 02:25.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:25.46 | Bounty | we got the same verbal result DeadZergling |
| 02:25.53 | Bounty | not sure how you think my results = genocide |
| 02:25.56 | DeadZergling | first part |
| 02:25.59 | DeadZergling | second part |
| 02:26.02 | DeadZergling | was different |
| 02:26.16 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:26.25 | Bounty | you're Disorganized Visionary |
| 02:26.45 | Bounty | I'm Disorganized and Mission Oriented lol |
| 02:26.52 | Bounty | how does that = genocide? |
| 02:27.18 | DeadZergling | members of a specific group |
| 02:27.24 | DeadZergling | read your own description more! |
| 02:27.32 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:27.34 | Bounty | I read that part |
| 02:27.43 | Bounty | I said I would kill a killer before his trial |
| 02:27.46 | DeadZergling | minority, aka a particular race |
| 02:27.55 | Bounty | that is bullshit lol |
| 02:28.11 | MoonEater | lol |
| 02:28.12 | DeadZergling | take that, + adolf hitler dictator |
| 02:28.16 | MoonEater | understanding bounty more and more |
| 02:28.21 | DeadZergling | you are totally hell-bent on genocide |
| 02:28.29 | DeadZergling | death to all jews! |
| 02:28.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:28.35 | Bounty | yeah ok |
| 02:28.47 | Bounty | Greater good brah |
| 02:28.50 | Bounty | big difference |
| 02:29.02 | DeadZergling | did you know Hitler thought he was doing the world a favor? |
| 02:29.10 | Bounty | I'm sure he did but he was a moron |
| 02:29.15 | DeadZergling | he was working towards the good of humanity |
| 02:29.22 | DeadZergling | Ah, I wish I could be that stupid |
| 02:29.32 | Bounty | Tell me what is wrong with killing a killer and/or criminal |
| 02:29.41 | DeadZergling | to have the ability to sway an entire country |
| 02:29.52 | Bounty | He was not very smart actually |
| 02:29.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:30.10 | DeadZergling | Who needs smarts when you can do that |
| 02:30.19 | Bounty | Its all about charisma |
| 02:30.33 | DeadZergling | that's true, guess that is how your projects get so much acclaim |
| 02:30.40 | Bounty | but, don't compare me to hitler like that lol |
| 02:30.44 | Bounty | unless you're joking |
| 02:30.45 | DeadZergling | isn't about being smart, it is about charisma |
| 02:31.15 | DeadZergling | I'm not sure what I am doing honestly, just being insanely bored at work, I think |
| 02:31.19 | MoonEater | bounty hitler was a genious |
| 02:31.26 | Bounty | no he was not |
| 02:31.27 | MoonEater | he brought germany out of pverty |
| 02:31.33 | MoonEater | made them a world power |
| 02:31.35 | Bounty | He failed like 20 times before coming to power |
| 02:31.37 | Bounty | yes I know that |
| 02:31.38 | MoonEater | in a mater of a decade |
| 02:31.44 | Bounty | but it was not just him |
| 02:31.53 | Bounty | when he got his team assembled they succeeded |
| 02:32.00 | MoonEater | well it wasnt obama |
| 02:32.02 | Bounty | before when it was just him, he was just the town moron |
| 02:32.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:32.12 | Bounty | marching with like 10 people |
| 02:32.14 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:32.30 | MoonEater | to be hoinest |
| 02:32.38 | MoonEater | when ur super god damn poor |
| 02:32.42 | MoonEater | and u fix it |
| 02:32.45 | MoonEater | genius |
| 02:32.49 | Bounty | but yeah that was crazy how quickly the Nazi's pulled Germany out of being insanely poor to a super power |
| 02:32.50 | MoonEater | cond care how it happened |
| 02:33.08 | Bounty | If WW2 never happened... |
| 02:33.10 | MoonEater | well |
| 02:33.14 | Bounty | We would all be moving to Germany |
| 02:33.15 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:33.17 | Teratron | mooneater the text is breaking lines to quick |
| 02:33.17 | MoonEater | that was his mistake |
| 02:33.25 | MoonEater | breaking lines? |
| 02:33.28 | Teratron | 2 words and it goes to another line |
| 02:33.34 | Bounty | It was not Hitlers mistake |
| 02:33.42 | Bounty | he really was just the Tony Robbins of the group |
| 02:33.48 | MoonEater | the labels |
| 02:33.49 | Bounty | motivational speaker |
| 02:33.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:33.52 | MoonEater | have width |
| 02:33.57 | MoonEater | increase the width |
| 02:34.36 | MoonEater | well hitler vs obama, one of them brought change |
| 02:34.38 | MoonEater | guess who |
| 02:34.40 | MoonEater | XD |
| 02:35.13 | Teratron | i think i did a bubu |
| 02:35.24 | Teratron | i was adjusting size instead of offset |
| 02:35.29 | Teratron | made it too small i guess |
| 02:35.36 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 02:38.01 | DeadZergling | now here is a quiz we can all relate to: http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/jamesdewees/what-type-of-black-person-are-you/ |
| 02:40.23 | DeadZergling | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.36 | MoonEater | oh shit |
| 02:41.41 | MoonEater | You Scored as Southern black God be praised! You is an old black woman! |
| 02:42.21 | Teratron | this is so screwd up doesn't make any sesne |
| 02:42.34 | Teratron | just after i think i do it it screws out |
| 02:42.48 | Teratron | offset is not the same units |
| 02:42.51 | Teratron | as size |
| 02:42.53 | Teratron | stupid |
| 02:42.58 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 02:43.04 | Bounty | This quiz is the most racist shit I've ever seen |
| 02:43.10 | Teratron | proportions all out |
| 02:43.12 | Bounty | just because of the way you can answer |
| 02:43.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:43.27 | MoonEater | Teratron dinner time |
| 02:43.32 | Bounty | I'm not taking that quiz =P |
| 02:43.53 | DeadZergling | *snickers* |
| 02:44.00 | DeadZergling | he must have got old black woman to |
| 02:44.29 | MoonEater | LOZL |
| 02:44.34 | MoonEater | cant belive that shit |
| 02:44.42 | MoonEater | Teratron, just keep fiddling |
| 02:44.49 | Teratron | this is bs |
| 02:44.51 | Teratron | when i make it |
| 02:44.52 | DeadZergling | they just want to axe you some questions |
| 02:44.55 | DeadZergling | Bounty: |
| 02:44.58 | Teratron | it makes the goddamn text so short |
| 02:45.03 | Teratron | i have TEST LINE 1 AJAJAJAJAJA |
| 02:45.07 | Teratron | and it shows T.... |
| 02:45.09 | Teratron | FUCK |
| 02:45.17 | Teratron | i adjusted like 10 times |
| 02:45.42 | Teratron | if i increase the width |
| 02:45.49 | Teratron | then it makes 4 lines |
| 02:45.50 | Teratron | weird |
| 02:46.00 | Teratron | i tried 300x300 it makes the same thing |
| 02:46.06 | DeadZergling | anywho, time for me to go home, believe I've gone as far as this channel ever wanted me to go with strange quizzes to find |
| 02:46.27 | DeadZergling | you should take that quiz though Bounty , Fa Rizzle mah homie brother man! |
| 02:46.27 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:46.33 | Bounty | no thanks |
| 02:46.33 | Bounty | haha |
| 02:47.07 | DeadZergling | I can appreciate you holding a firm Hitler stance though |
| 02:47.15 | DeadZergling | he would never take such a quiz, and neither can you |
| 02:47.44 | Bounty | that makes no sense, but ok |
| 02:48.26 | Bounty | You linking that quiz merely shows the advantage I have over you :) |
| 02:48.30 | DeadZergling | you are taking this Hitler thing to new extremes man with pretending not to understand |
| 02:48.40 | Bounty | No, I do understand |
| 02:48.42 | Teratron | what kind of quiz bounty ? |
| 02:48.49 | Teratron | sanity quiz ? |
| 02:48.54 | Teratron | http://www.naturalnews.com/045649_American_Sanity_Quiz_military_veterans_border_crossings.html |
| 02:48.56 | Bounty | and that quiz is insanely racist and offensive |
| 02:49.41 | DeadZergling | suppose so, if you are the type to give a fuck about being racist or not, lol |
| 02:49.54 | Bounty | You would be surprised |
| 02:50.25 | Bounty | Remember, we scored the same on Mussolini |
| 02:50.30 | DeadZergling | anywho, as I was saying earlier, later B.O. man |
| 02:50.32 | Bounty | which was the same score I got for Hitler |
| 02:50.34 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:50.36 | DeadZergling | see you around :) |
| 02:50.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:50.42 | Bounty | later dude |
| 02:52.07 | Bounty | My new theme song MoonEater https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkU23m6yX04 |
| 02:52.11 | Bounty | enjoy |
| 02:52.12 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:53.02 | Bounty | I'm sure it will fuel the trolling |
| 03:05.05 | Teratron | there we go |
| 03:05.14 | Teratron | DONE TINKERING >:( |
| 03:05.28 | Teratron | now |
| 03:05.33 | Teratron | well |
| 03:05.40 | Teratron | the thing ended up small enough it's not in the way |
| 03:06.37 | Teratron | can i make text and dialogs slightly transparent bounty ? |
| 03:08.59 | Bounty | yes |
| 03:09.07 | Bounty | set dialog item transparency |
| 03:09.11 | MoonEater | . |
| 03:09.22 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 03:09.45 | Bounty | listen to mah song MoonEater |
| 03:09.55 | MoonEater | i sw it |
| 03:10.02 | Bounty | best song ever? :) |
| 03:10.19 | Bounty | very inspirational |
| 03:11.26 | Teratron | okay that's done ... |
| 03:11.27 | Teratron | now |
| 03:11.32 | Teratron | i need to make math |
| 03:11.50 | Teratron | a region has some units |
| 03:11.57 | Teratron | those units are counted in a variable |
| 03:12.18 | Teratron | do i need to calculate or just display the variable in the text |
| 03:12.28 | Teratron | sounds easy now dunno why i thought i would need cacls |
| 03:12.31 | Teratron | weird |
| 03:12.36 | MoonEater | what? |
| 03:12.37 | Teratron | well |
| 03:12.38 | Teratron | oh |
| 03:12.47 | MoonEater | u making an artifical region? |
| 03:12.49 | Teratron | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.52 | MoonEater | Bounty |
| 03:13.00 | Bounty | yes? |
| 03:13.06 | MoonEater | this is pirate's trailer for his new game |
| 03:13.31 | MoonEater | Teratron no variables needed u just compare regions usaly |
| 03:13.32 | Bounty | hmm? |
| 03:13.49 | Teratron | well i already did this now im lookin |
| 03:13.50 | Bounty | what is pirates trailer for his new game? |
| 03:13.56 | Teratron | i did it the old fashion way |
| 03:14.02 | Teratron | IF ELSE IF ELSE IF a ton of it |
| 03:15.21 | MoonEater | ew |
| 03:15.51 | Teratron | guys i need to compare 10 variables |
| 03:16.04 | Bounty | MoonEater |
| 03:16.05 | Teratron | how do i do that advanced |
| 03:16.09 | Bounty | what the fuck were you talking about |
| 03:16.15 | Bounty | what trailer? |
| 03:16.17 | MoonEater | drugs |
| 03:16.31 | Teratron | anyone |
| 03:17.15 | Teratron | hello |
| 03:17.16 | Teratron | ? |
| 03:18.22 | Teratron | come on |
| 03:18.24 | MoonEater | well if they r simular variables |
| 03:18.29 | MoonEater | they should be in an array |
| 03:18.36 | MoonEater | and the array should be compared by loops |
| 03:18.43 | Bounty | "I know it sounds sordid But you'll be rewarded When at last I am given my dues! And injustice deliciously squared Be prepared!" |
| 03:18.47 | Bounty | so good |
| 03:18.48 | Teratron | eachy variable is for a specific region |
| 03:19.10 | Teratron | i need to compare them in realtime |
| 03:19.14 | Teratron | it's for a feeder |
| 03:19.31 | Teratron | the feeder will feed the appropriate ones to a separate array |
| 03:19.41 | Teratron | that array will be used for dialog box |
| 03:19.55 | Teratron | the top 3 variables will show up |
| 03:20.00 | MoonEater | well do it the way you think is right |
| 03:20.03 | MoonEater | then show bounty |
| 03:20.05 | MoonEater | XD |
| 03:20.12 | MoonEater | so his head can implode |
| 03:20.13 | Bounty | show what MoonEater? |
| 03:20.16 | Teratron | i don't know how to do this |
| 03:20.21 | MoonEater | oh |
| 03:20.33 | MoonEater | well im not understanding much of what u say |
| 03:20.41 | Bounty | MoonEater |
| 03:20.49 | Bounty | when you speak to me just preface it with my name |
| 03:20.55 | MoonEater | ^ plus i have him |
| 03:20.56 | Bounty | so I know |
| 03:21.01 | MoonEater | i do |
| 03:21.06 | MoonEater | and it wasnt to u |
| 03:21.09 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:21.11 | Bounty | just making sure |
| 03:21.23 | Teratron | do you know bunty |
| 03:21.23 | Bounty | and I'm trying to make this juggling of conversations easy |
| 03:21.24 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:22.28 | Teratron | the only way i was able to multi-compare so many number is by a ton of if statements, it's for the finish, that system is fully done and contains the sounds and all the rest |
| 03:22.31 | Teratron | im not doing that again |
| 03:22.41 | Teratron | i could use the same system for this |
| 03:22.56 | Teratron | but that one only fires up once at the end |
| 03:23.06 | Teratron | i need this feeder in real-time, like every 1 second |
| 03:23.13 | MoonEater | Teratron, u really need a class in data structures or pratice |
| 03:23.20 | Teratron | or maybe every 3 seconds doesn't have to be that quick |
| 03:23.36 | Teratron | well if im not done with this map in a week i'll just forget about the whole thing |
| 03:23.44 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 03:23.50 | Teratron | nobody's here atm |
| 03:23.54 | MoonEater | ive been working on my map for almost a year |
| 03:23.59 | Teratron | im going to stop now and do something else :p |
| 03:24.05 | Teratron | unless you know ? |
| 03:24.13 | MoonEater | post in the forums |
| 03:24.15 | Teratron | i don't have anything to mod |
| 03:24.20 | MoonEater | the question in details |
| 03:24.23 | Teratron | im banned from sc2mapster |
| 03:24.34 | MoonEater | ~whois teratron |
| 03:24.34 | purl | it has been said that teratron is known as Stewox. |
| 03:24.38 | MoonEater | lolz... |
| 03:24.44 | MoonEater | anyways |
| 03:25.01 | Teratron | ahli didn't seem interested in fixing what he did |
| 03:25.08 | Teratron | so that's useless unless he fixes it |
| 03:25.15 | Teratron | so i went to do some other idea |
| 03:25.19 | Teratron | now im stuck here |
| 03:25.46 | MoonEater | ok explain what ur trying todo in detail and dont hit enter untill you complete |
| 03:25.47 | Teratron | and i have pretty much nothing to do, but the stuff ahli helped is critical, so i can't finish the map, it's unplayable |
| 03:26.08 | Teratron | i'll send you a screenshot firt |
| 03:26.09 | Teratron | first |
| 03:26.30 | MoonEater | Bounty, this is you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTCuQ5FzhYg |
| 03:26.53 | Bounty | heh |
| 03:27.04 | Bounty | You know too little my friend |
| 03:27.25 | Bounty | and/or are trolling |
| 03:27.27 | Bounty | which is fine |
| 03:27.28 | Bounty | lulz? |
| 03:27.50 | MoonEater | haha |
| 03:28.04 | MoonEater | i think its about right |
| 03:28.06 | MoonEater | or its jade |
| 03:28.09 | MoonEater | not sure |
| 03:28.18 | Bounty | take my word for it, I know my own theme song |
| 03:28.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:29.28 | MoonEater | bounty, better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6oD8dqQYU |
| 03:29.40 | Bounty | If the "game time" is equal to the lifespan of myself, I will win :) |
| 03:29.53 | Bounty | goes back to editor |
| 03:30.17 | MoonEater | bounty, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7av-Fd-pm5k |
| 03:30.44 | Ahli | what isn't working, teratron? |
| 03:31.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster IskatuMesk (4645ef99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.69.239.153) |
| 03:31.20 | MoonEater | i think he needs a sort of some kind |
| 03:31.32 | MoonEater | talking about using alot of conditions |
| 03:32.13 | MoonEater | ahli, i removed the tech tree but i can seem to figure out how to remove unit from the glossery |
| 03:33.21 | Ahli | remove the ID in the glossary category |
| 03:33.23 | Ahli | in the unit |
| 03:33.54 | MoonEater | i thought i tried that |
| 03:33.56 | MoonEater | lets seee |
| 03:34.07 | MoonEater | didnt work |
| 03:35.32 | Ahli | let's see... oh it works. I removed the Marine. |
| 03:35.44 | MoonEater | hm.... |
| 03:35.47 | MoonEater | HM>>>> |
| 03:35.58 | Ahli | the "text key" needs to be empty |
| 03:36.08 | Ahli | if there is something, you will add another category |
| 03:36.23 | MoonEater | Tech Tree: Glossary Category? |
| 03:36.38 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.21 | MoonEater | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 03:37.27 | Ahli | the text key at the top |
| 03:37.35 | MoonEater | ya |
| 03:37.37 | MoonEater | i got that |
| 03:37.43 | Ahli | the ID where the game looks for a localized text value |
| 03:38.13 | Ahli | empty glossary category ID => does not appear in glossary anymore |
| 03:39.26 | MoonEater | thanks ahli |
| 03:40.38 | Teratron | mooneater http://i.imgur.com/61qyleD.png |
| 03:41.17 | Ahli | what the f*ck is that? |
| 03:41.24 | MoonEater | oh god |
| 03:41.30 | MoonEater | did i just see this |
| 03:41.37 | MoonEater | holy shit |
| 03:42.06 | MoonEater | Teratron u need to sit down and research arrays |
| 03:42.08 | MoonEater | and loops |
| 03:42.12 | MoonEater | or take a class |
| 03:42.28 | MoonEater | its hard to explain and difficult to learn when ur new to it |
| 03:42.29 | Teratron | i don't have time i want to finish this map allready |
| 03:42.38 | Teratron | and im on this new idea |
| 03:42.42 | MoonEater | well then u do the crazy if then elses |
| 03:42.44 | Teratron | and i would do it anyways |
| 03:43.00 | Teratron | i just went doing it cause i can't find anyone to fix the targeting system as it meant to be |
| 03:43.29 | Teratron | that one's critical, the map doesn't work |
| 03:43.33 | Teratron | jeez |
| 03:43.51 | Teratron | but this is the progression im making |
| 03:43.59 | Teratron | it's a great thing to have but not critical |
| 03:44.30 | MoonEater | u need to learn more advance programming techniques |
| 03:44.34 | MoonEater | its slowing u down |
| 03:44.44 | Ahli | so you want to make a ranking of players with how fast they are killing the units or something? |
| 03:45.17 | Teratron | i told you im fucking banned form sc2mapster so stop talking about those tutorials and classes |
| 03:45.42 | Teratron | oh |
| 03:45.46 | Teratron | now you waked up |
| 03:45.50 | Teratron | no just |
| 03:46.01 | Bounty | ~whois Teretron |
| 03:46.10 | Teratron | i've done this the old fashion way but that's a separate feature |
| 03:46.16 | Bounty | ~whois Teratron |
| 03:46.16 | purl | [teratron] known as Stewox. |
| 03:46.19 | Teratron | i can still use variables but that's not important |
| 03:46.48 | Teratron | the other feature with IF ELSES is about sound |
| 03:46.52 | Teratron | and it fires only once |
| 03:46.54 | Ahli | I was watching a movie and I've watched 2/3 of unfiltered :D |
| 03:46.59 | Teratron | it doesn't keep calculating |
| 03:47.17 | Bounty | Did you watch todays stream Ahli? |
| 03:47.20 | Teratron | so those else if else if don't run all the time, only once at the end |
| 03:47.29 | Ahli | I watched the video bounty |
| 03:47.36 | Bounty | Like.. am I crazy or does that episode prove what I've been saying |
| 03:47.50 | Ahli | can you remember me what you said? |
| 03:48.01 | Bounty | in his lack of respect for map makers due to his ego |
| 03:48.09 | Bounty | Nothing new |
| 03:48.19 | Teratron | man |
| 03:48.27 | Teratron | you're just doing nothing here |
| 03:48.39 | Teratron | blabing all the time and never said anything of help |
| 03:48.57 | Bounty | He is a person who treats map makers like trash |
| 03:48.59 | Bounty | IMO |
| 03:49.09 | Teratron | like 2 days now, i've heard nothing constructive from bounty |
| 03:49.29 | Bounty | and I've heard nothing but jibberish from you |
| 03:49.30 | Ahli | this is till a chat, not a payed service |
| 03:49.33 | Ahli | *still |
| 03:49.35 | Teratron | no you're making stuff up |
| 03:49.47 | Teratron | well |
| 03:49.52 | Teratron | my point was |
| 03:49.54 | Bounty | No problem, let me get JademusSreg |
| 03:49.58 | Bounty | he has logs |
| 03:50.04 | Bounty | if you want to go that far |
| 03:50.09 | Bounty | otherwise just shut up please |
| 03:50.12 | Bounty | knock it off |
| 03:50.16 | Bounty | anyways |
| 03:50.42 | Teratron | you're going to get violent now defending your half hour sc2 talk |
| 03:50.52 | Teratron | with mooneater like 30 mins ago |
| 03:51.11 | Bounty | He started off with much potential Ahli, with which I complimented him on. In the sense of the E Sports community reaching out to us |
| 03:51.12 | Teratron | 24hours plus it was some offtopic |
| 03:51.14 | MoonEater | lolz? |
| 03:51.17 | Bounty | but then |
| 03:51.30 | Bounty | 2 months of Baneling Escape and Raynor Party... |
| 03:51.35 | Bounty | and then he goes and says |
| 03:51.41 | Bounty | "There is nothing on the Arcade" |
| 03:51.50 | Teratron | no i was talking about the modding and you start making some comments along the way picking on other people when im talking with them |
| 03:51.59 | Teratron | that's my point |
| 03:51.59 | Bounty | the night I suggest a few of the maps in the contest, that are not mine btw |
| 03:52.08 | Teratron | the pther point was |
| 03:52.12 | Teratron | i wasn't mean with that |
| 03:52.27 | MoonEater | u need a different event |
| 03:52.31 | MoonEater | put ur event as |
| 03:52.33 | MoonEater | periodic |
| 03:52.49 | Teratron | i was like, what's the point of someone helping me if they provide me with something that needs to be finished to work at all |
| 03:53.13 | Ahli | are you refering to me? |
| 03:53.20 | Bounty | I really hate speaking when you're speaking Stewox |
| 03:53.33 | Bounty | May as well be randomly pressing keys |
| 03:53.40 | Teratron | so that's the only thing i mean ahli, is because what you did, unfortunately, doesn't help me at all because it's not as it supposed to be, i already said im sorry i couldn't have predicted it |
| 03:53.50 | Bounty | Ahli, just ignore him |
| 03:54.11 | Bounty | ~whois Teratron |
| 03:54.11 | purl | i guess teratron is known as Stewox. |
| 03:54.15 | Teratron | no he's fucking butthurt from the talk i had with him yesterday |
| 03:55.07 | Teratron | even before that, he was evaluating me when im speaking to others, like a stalker of some kind |
| 03:55.10 | Ahli | the problem is that it seems really difficult for you to articulate your core problems along with what you have and what your goal is... I provided you with a solution to the "shooting units in other lane"-problem |
| 03:56.01 | Bounty | JademusSreg, just fucking ban his IP if you can |
| 03:56.05 | Teratron | you provided fine, it's just that it made a side effect that broken another thing, and i couldn't have known about it, so, im not demanding anything as he's suggesting |
| 03:56.10 | Teratron | look at this guy |
| 03:56.21 | Bounty | please |
| 03:56.25 | MoonEater | calm down kids, jade isnt your daddy |
| 03:56.27 | Ahli | and I tell you that it is a completely separate problem. :D |
| 03:56.42 | Bounty | He needs to go MoonEater |
| 03:56.47 | Bounty | seriously |
| 03:56.50 | Bounty | You have no idea |
| 03:56.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:56.56 | Teratron | that's bullshit ahli, i was focusing on sc2 talk, the guy's stalking me ever since, what the fuck, LEAVE ME FUCKING ALONE |
| 03:57.05 | MoonEater | what was i not around durring the stewox saga also? |
| 03:57.08 | Ahli | why is that bullshit? |
| 03:57.09 | MoonEater | chillax |
| 03:57.14 | MoonEater | both of you guys |
| 03:57.24 | MoonEater | both of u need to learn /ignore |
| 03:57.25 | Bounty | Just get rid of this fucking embarrassment |
| 03:57.51 | Ahli | I gave you a system that is able to control which units can shoot at other units using a validator in their weapon. Not using the validator in the weapon means that there is nothing checked -> other things cannot break |
| 03:57.54 | Teratron | no the guy's pscho he's butthurt from the conspiracy talk I thrown at him |
| 03:58.03 | Bounty | new people who join who are legit will still be exposed to him MoonEater |
| 03:58.05 | Bounty | he needs to go |
| 03:58.06 | Bounty | now |
| 03:58.08 | Teratron | that's what stupid people act like, when they can't admit reality |
| 03:58.09 | Teratron | haha |
| 03:58.26 | Teratron | but im not in the mood now bounty i want to finish the map ffs |
| 03:58.35 | Bounty | oh please |
| 03:59.03 | Teratron | well ahli they do break |
| 03:59.07 | Bounty | You sent me a enough PM's last night about conspiracy shit worthy of replacing all of the pages within the bible |
| 03:59.22 | Bounty | You need to stop |
| 03:59.25 | Ahli | is the broken thing using the validator? |
| 03:59.29 | Teratron | some of the abilities in 11th lane target the players, they don't do it when I activate the behavior trigger |
| 03:59.49 | Teratron | isn't that what i've been telling you all the time ? |
| 04:00.00 | MoonEater | damn stewox is as bad as herpies it seems |
| 04:00.02 | Teratron | and I don't know for some reason you didn't seem to be interested |
| 04:00.12 | Bounty | yeah MoonEater |
| 04:00.14 | MoonEater | better go kill all the jews |
| 04:00.16 | MoonEater | XD |
| 04:00.31 | Bounty | Ahli taught me something I knew nothing about in a half hour last night |
| 04:00.40 | Bounty | I sense the issue is not with Ahli |
| 04:00.46 | Bounty | call me crazy |
| 04:00.58 | Bounty | also |
| 04:01.01 | Ahli | provide me with the map, I can't solve problems with your descriptions only it seems and it's exhausting to type everything |
| 04:01.03 | Bounty | you son of a bitch MoonEater |
| 04:01.04 | Teratron | because i don't have the experience to even fix this, i just have no idea what to do, so it wasn't me demanding help, i was just trying to point out that it has made an unfortunate side effect |
| 04:01.05 | Bounty | rofl |
| 04:01.08 | Bounty | couldn't resist eh? |
| 04:01.26 | MoonEater | bounty, LOLZ ahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:01.29 | MoonEater | :sdfgh |
| 04:01.30 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 04:01.55 | MoonEater | bounty |
| 04:01.59 | MoonEater | u make me laugh soo much |
| 04:02.01 | MoonEater | <3 |
| 04:02.02 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 04:02.07 | Bounty | go fuck yourself |
| 04:02.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:02.20 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:02.22 | Teratron | ah man i already typed everything twice before didn't I |
| 04:02.29 | MoonEater | funny thing is you know im right |
| 04:02.30 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:02.30 | MoonEater | KIKZ |
| 04:02.32 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 04:02.46 | MoonEater | XD |
| 04:03.01 | Ahli | so... things change... the trigger does: 1. fill values in arrays, 2. add behaviors to units. Also the behaviors do not modify the unit. |
| 04:03.29 | Ahli | how does that effect anything other than validators checking for the behavior which are only used in the weapons? |
| 04:03.33 | Teratron | Ahli I can explain it again if you want, i did it but you simply never believed me it was this breaking it |
| 04:03.55 | Ahli | yes, because in fact it can't do it.... provide me with the map, so I can see it |
| 04:03.59 | MoonEater | Teratron, take a programing class or doing it online or somthing |
| 04:04.00 | MoonEater | complete it |
| 04:04.04 | MoonEater | ull thank urself |
| 04:04.07 | MoonEater | or murder me |
| 04:04.27 | MoonEater | or let bounty put u in his concentration camp he built |
| 04:04.36 | MoonEater | government says its illegal to force people |
| 04:04.42 | Teratron | no wait it's weird to me why could have you done all this without the map, now, all you need to add is one lane, and you can't do it anymore, im just asking |
| 04:04.57 | Ahli | prove that I am wrong as my experience and understanding of that matterr tells me that the connection that you experience does not exist |
| 04:05.17 | MoonEater | Bounty harrasing you is the most fun ive ever had |
| 04:05.20 | MoonEater | and im sorry |
| 04:05.33 | Teratron | that's probably the reason i got frustrated because you're actually the 3rd time now, going to think that im insane or something |
| 04:05.37 | Teratron | i just can't believe it |
| 04:05.37 | JademusSreg | Moon, got a python shell? |
| 04:05.46 | Teratron | why are you not believeing me why |
| 04:05.54 | Ahli | ok, that's it stewox. I won't help you anymore |
| 04:06.04 | Teratron | see that's what I call bullshit |
| 04:06.19 | Teratron | because |
| 04:06.24 | Teratron | i said it 3 times |
| 04:06.32 | Teratron | you think im fucking crazy it's not your code that did it |
| 04:06.34 | Teratron | fine |
| 04:06.34 | Ahli | yes, now I ask for the map to see the problem and research it |
| 04:06.49 | MoonEater | JademusSreg ive seen and play with python but no |
| 04:06.55 | Ahli | because obviously there is something I am missing or not knowing |
| 04:07.21 | Teratron | you did fine |
| 04:07.31 | Teratron | it's just that I forgot to tell you about the 11th lane |
| 04:07.36 | Teratron | that's all |
| 04:07.59 | Teratron | now you need the map to find something to make me look im stupid or something ? you won't find it because im not making anything up and im 100% sure |
| 04:08.09 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure "play with python" means yes unless you uninstalled it or haven't yet installed it on the machine yet, but whatever. =D |
| 04:08.20 | Ahli | no problem, but now you got my attention with your problem and I tell you that I need to see your triggers, your data and need to see the problem appearing on the screen to fully understand the situation |
| 04:08.47 | Teratron | that's all fine reasons, it's just that you keep saying it's my fault like im a 10 year old or something |
| 04:09.24 | Teratron | and why im bugging you, not because im not respecting the stuff that guy made up, it's because you only you know this system, i would have to send the others and explain it all over from scratch |
| 04:09.38 | MoonEater | JademusSreg laying with python means i played with it in linux administration class years ago |
| 04:09.45 | Teratron | look |
| 04:09.49 | Ahli | just send me the goddamned file |
| 04:09.52 | Teratron | you already got the credits for this help in the map |
| 04:10.09 | JademusSreg | Damn. Everyone should install python. =D |
| 04:10.10 | Teratron | i already made the note yesterday |
| 04:10.17 | Ahli | I do not care about credits for providing help :D |
| 04:10.26 | JademusSreg | Can do some rather funny things with seemingly innocuous scripts. |
| 04:10.30 | Ahli | I want to solve your problem with as little argumentation as possible |
| 04:10.56 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 04:10.57 | MoonEater | why |
| 04:10.58 | Teratron | whatever, i just said, me arguing here, it's not me disrespecting the help like some voices were trying to say |
| 04:11.10 | MoonEater | WHY would i ever have a need for python on my windows box at home |
| 04:11.10 | Teratron | so just so we're clear about that |
| 04:11.12 | MoonEater | WHY |
| 04:11.54 | MoonEater | also completed my year of programming classes in java and c++ dont have a compiler on my comp |
| 04:11.55 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 04:12.04 | Teratron | in a moment ... |
| 04:14.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster ScytheBlade1 (~Death@serenity.averageurl.com) |
| 04:14.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster ScytheBlade1 (~Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 04:15.21 | Teratron | ahli it'll take some time, the map is big, i need to strip out irrelevant content (sound files etc) so it'll upload quicker |
| 04:15.34 | Teratron | it's over 100 MB normally |
| 04:16.24 | Ahli | can we even upload 100mb map files? :D |
| 04:16.28 | Ahli | on bnet |
| 04:16.46 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 04:17.03 | JademusSreg | Could be split into separate mod dependencies. |
| 04:17.11 | JademusSreg | Would be far more efficient. |
| 04:17.23 | JademusSreg | And, er, required. |
| 04:17.56 | grim001 | Nothing is more tedious than making sure all of your classes have pretty toString implementations |
| 04:19.09 | IskatuMesk | multiple butts |
| 04:20.00 | MoonEater | wait jade |
| 04:20.06 | MoonEater | did i hear u correctly? |
| 04:20.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:21.14 | IskatuMesk | 100mb so small |
| 04:21.22 | IskatuMesk | I remember when mods were only 100mb |
| 04:21.48 | Ahli | using WAV files... |
| 04:21.58 | IskatuMesk | funny how blizzard couldn't remember |
| 04:22.25 | grim001 | only 16 toString methods left to evaluate |
| 04:22.42 | IskatuMesk | I still try to only use wav files |
| 04:22.57 | Ahli | why? |
| 04:23.12 | IskatuMesk | no point putting them into ogg when they'll get compressed as an archive |
| 04:23.21 | IskatuMesk | unnecessary quality loss should be avoided |
| 04:26.21 | JademusSreg | Compress with FLAC. |
| 04:26.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:26.30 | IskatuMesk | doesn't support flac |
| 04:26.35 | IskatuMesk | or I would, for some music |
| 04:29.46 | IskatuMesk | Huh. This thor is based on the original but the attachment points for the effects and such are somehow messed up |
| 04:29.51 | IskatuMesk | even though they reference all the old ones |
| 04:30.03 | IskatuMesk | wat da fuk |
| 04:30.36 | JademusSreg | Container supports it, can't say what all software might. =D |
| 04:30.48 | IskatuMesk | I meant sc2 |
| 04:30.50 | JademusSreg | Oh, that reminds me. |
| 04:31.14 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2wqtxhji6a4dzzz/Aardvepyon.jpg |
| 04:31.34 | IskatuMesk | the hell |
| 04:31.37 | IskatuMesk | did you kitbash it? |
| 04:31.42 | IskatuMesk | how did you do that? |
| 04:31.52 | JademusSreg | Actor events to attach a model. |
| 04:32.02 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 04:32.09 | IskatuMesk | I'll be interested to see how it looks when firing |
| 04:33.08 | IskatuMesk | I got the siege animations working on this one |
| 04:33.17 | IskatuMesk | just gotta figure out why the stock hardpoint filters don't seem to be working |
| 04:33.27 | IskatuMesk | then somehow do the siege animation syncing |
| 04:33.28 | JademusSreg | Bugged me that the Thor didn't look like it had the weapon capabilities described in the paste. |
| 04:33.34 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 04:33.44 | IskatuMesk | most of my custom stuff will be like that unless I learn how to texture |
| 04:33.47 | JademusSreg | So now it has a bug fucking laser cannon. |
| 04:43.44 | Bounty | peowza |
| 04:44.05 | JademusSreg | Funny, the cannon almost looks like it has a face. =D |
| 04:44.31 | Bounty | Like I said earlier today, it is almost duck-like |
| 04:46.57 | Teratron | any mintue now ... |
| 04:54.25 | Bounty | waits for it? |
| 04:56.32 | Teratron | it's not like im going to paste it here :p |
| 04:59.38 | Teratron | okay |
| 05:00.02 | Teratron | finally i get a break ! need food |
| 05:08.11 | IskatuMesk | filters are working now. it's all down to the siege firing animation and the barrel syncing... which currently I have no idea how to do, so I'll just ignore it |
| 05:08.49 | JademusSreg | Good idea. |
| 05:10.49 | Bounty | IskatuMesk, would you be interesting in doing some voice work for Tessera? |
| 05:11.01 | Bounty | Essentially just killstreak stuff |
| 05:11.03 | IskatuMesk | re: my previous response |
| 05:11.18 | IskatuMesk | in some months, if it is finished, and when everything on my end has settled down, provided it actually does |
| 05:11.56 | IskatuMesk | november/december might be ok |
| 05:12.04 | IskatuMesk | so long as I'm not on the street by then |
| 05:12.43 | Bounty | Do you want money for it? |
| 05:12.53 | IskatuMesk | I have no way to recieve any money |
| 05:13.01 | Bounty | paypal? |
| 05:13.16 | IskatuMesk | I dislike paypal, plus I don't have a bank account linked to it |
| 05:13.29 | Bounty | You can link a bank account |
| 05:13.29 | IskatuMesk | maybe google wallet, I might look into options later on |
| 05:13.39 | Bounty | find an option |
| 05:13.40 | IskatuMesk | you can but I don't have the resources to do so |
| 05:14.02 | Bounty | You are more than worthy of being paid for your work :) |
| 05:14.22 | Bounty | I do enjoy your voice work |
| 05:14.39 | Bounty | What would you charge? |
| 05:14.44 | IskatuMesk | no idea |
| 05:14.45 | Bounty | per word |
| 05:14.56 | IskatuMesk | I have no idea how any of that shit is normally handled |
| 05:15.06 | Bounty | me either |
| 05:15.19 | Bounty | but voice over work typically is 50-60 words for 5 bucks |
| 05:15.35 | JademusSreg | Just choose an arbitrary amount, Bounty, since you're the one offering. |
| 05:15.36 | IskatuMesk | seems fine |
| 05:16.05 | Bounty | Wrong JademusSreg |
| 05:16.08 | grim001 | finally, only 3 classes need toString |
| 05:16.09 | Bounty | I set the standard |
| 05:16.19 | IskatuMesk | I cannot even hear myself yell over this fan |
| 05:16.21 | Bounty | and if you would have shut the hell up I would be happy to offer more |
| 05:16.37 | Bounty | So |
| 05:16.58 | Bounty | I would say $7 per 50 words |
| 05:17.10 | Bounty | also |
| 05:17.34 | Bounty | the filters in which the voice over goes through should be priced as well |
| 05:17.39 | Bounty | since that is work |
| 05:18.05 | Bounty | I'm thinking $50-100 |
| 05:18.06 | Bounty | total |
| 05:18.58 | Bounty | IMO |
| 05:19.04 | IskatuMesk | seems reasonable |
| 05:19.33 | IskatuMesk | but like I said, this is the worst possible time to do anything |
| 05:19.36 | Bounty | Can you do female voices? |
| 05:19.41 | IskatuMesk | not likely |
| 05:19.53 | IskatuMesk | I did heavily edited dark elves some years back for Rommel |
| 05:19.57 | Bounty | Ok, well you have seen Tessera yes? |
| 05:20.01 | IskatuMesk | he chose them over actual female VA's |
| 05:20.02 | IskatuMesk | however |
| 05:20.09 | IskatuMesk | my voice was higher back then |
| 05:20.11 | Bounty | send me a demo of what think fits best |
| 05:20.12 | IskatuMesk | and they were heavily edited |
| 05:20.38 | IskatuMesk | that's the thing with the balls right |
| 05:21.20 | IskatuMesk | it is easy for me to iterate different effect sets |
| 05:21.21 | Bounty | You obviously have an artistic talent so I would prefer to get your impression of what the voice should sound like |
| 05:21.29 | IskatuMesk | I would probably give you a bunch of different examples |
| 05:21.31 | IskatuMesk | and you could choose |
| 05:21.32 | Bounty | just take what you see in Tessrea |
| 05:21.36 | Bounty | and do your thing |
| 05:21.41 | IskatuMesk | however that will certainly have to wait |
| 05:21.43 | Bounty | yeah thats fine |
| 05:21.54 | Bounty | no rush |
| 05:22.08 | IskatuMesk | first I need a place to live, and then the heat needs to be not skin meltingly hot |
| 05:22.29 | Bounty | actually I think retract my previous statement |
| 05:22.41 | Bounty | there is no rush but this is not unlimited lol |
| 05:22.47 | Bounty | in the sense of time |
| 05:22.55 | IskatuMesk | I am thinking at the minimum you could be waiting until november |
| 05:22.59 | Bounty | just do some demos |
| 05:23.08 | IskatuMesk | even for demos |
| 05:23.13 | IskatuMesk | I am just not in the state of mind to do recording |
| 05:23.21 | Bounty | if it is amazing, which I expect it will be... I will gladly wait forever |
| 05:23.23 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:23.24 | IskatuMesk | too much anxiety |
| 05:23.33 | IskatuMesk | I did the announcer for temple siege |
| 05:23.41 | IskatuMesk | some time ago |
| 05:23.45 | IskatuMesk | might be a basic example of that |
| 05:23.51 | Bounty | Well I just offered you 10x the amount you were willing to settle for |
| 05:23.56 | Bounty | at least |
| 05:24.02 | Bounty | idk what else to say |
| 05:24.03 | IskatuMesk | yeah but I also said I can't deliver anything atm |
| 05:24.18 | IskatuMesk | I can't even do regular casting right now |
| 05:24.32 | IskatuMesk | literally everything I was doing is on hold |
| 05:24.47 | Bounty | ok |
| 05:24.57 | Bounty | just send me a PM when you feel you can respond |
| 05:24.58 | IskatuMesk | this is just a super shitty time |
| 05:25.01 | IskatuMesk | and it may end very badly |
| 05:25.16 | Bounty | not if I have anything to do with it |
| 05:25.17 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:25.35 | Bounty | Your skills fill the gaps that I cannot |
| 05:25.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:26.15 | Bounty | Perhaps a project with the two of us on kickstarter? |
| 05:26.33 | Bounty | Blizzard has said they would help promote a kickstarter for me |
| 05:26.58 | Bounty | I can do the game but I cannot do the models/art or sound effects' |
| 05:27.00 | IskatuMesk | I don't really do the whole team thing |
| 05:27.08 | Bounty | .... |
| 05:27.08 | IskatuMesk | I only work on my own projects |
| 05:27.14 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 05:27.18 | Bounty | please help me here |
| 05:27.24 | IskatuMesk | most I can do for you is some outsourced voice work, when the time is right |
| 05:27.25 | Bounty | tell your friend |
| 05:27.32 | Bounty | I have never worked on a team either |
| 05:27.45 | Bounty | Only for the fact I do what I do |
| 05:27.51 | Bounty | but you offer something outside of that |
| 05:27.59 | Bounty | Art/Model and Sound Effects |
| 05:27.59 | IskatuMesk | also my graphics are shit |
| 05:28.07 | IskatuMesk | I don't even know how I'm going to do anything for apex yet |
| 05:28.09 | Bounty | forget it |
| 05:28.30 | Bounty | Like do you wan't me to lick your knee caps or something? |
| 05:28.34 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 05:28.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:29.15 | IskatuMesk | I mean fuck I'd love to remodel some of these ugly ass blizzard models but the most I can do is untextured static objects |
| 05:29.17 | IskatuMesk | and even that is a stretch |
| 05:29.38 | Bounty | I would prefer something beyond that |
| 05:29.44 | IskatuMesk | maybe if I can convince delphinium to uv/texture them.. |
| 05:29.47 | IskatuMesk | so would I |
| 05:29.48 | Bounty | not talking AAA |
| 05:29.52 | IskatuMesk | I would prefer to redo all terran units |
| 05:29.55 | IskatuMesk | and all zerg |
| 05:29.58 | Bounty | but |
| 05:30.03 | Bounty | we have the game concept |
| 05:30.05 | IskatuMesk | but that is simply not in my skill |
| 05:30.08 | Bounty | and the feel of the game |
| 05:30.18 | Bounty | and I would assume you could do your thing based on that? |
| 05:30.21 | IskatuMesk | I have so many game concepts and ideas I couldn't begin to summarize them to you |
| 05:30.22 | Bounty | I am ignorant of this |
| 05:30.24 | Bounty | so forgive me |
| 05:30.29 | IskatuMesk | things I would much rather work on |
| 05:30.39 | IskatuMesk | I am bad at visualizing other people's work |
| 05:30.49 | IskatuMesk | that's why I can't model off of concept art |
| 05:31.03 | IskatuMesk | or write dialogue for other people's characters |
| 05:31.05 | IskatuMesk | and I prefer not to try |
| 05:31.15 | IskatuMesk | believe me |
| 05:31.20 | Bounty | What about a written description of animations |
| 05:31.24 | IskatuMesk | I'd have a dozen or so offers from game developers |
| 05:31.29 | IskatuMesk | I have turned every single one down |
| 05:32.13 | Bounty | I swear you're the most difficult person I've ever spoken to and it makes me think you're an agent |
| 05:32.17 | Bounty | of the NSA or something |
| 05:32.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:32.20 | IskatuMesk | a 00 agent |
| 05:32.29 | IskatuMesk | then I can live a secret life |
| 05:32.34 | IskatuMesk | and have a stable housing situation |
| 05:32.36 | IskatuMesk | that would be the life |
| 05:32.51 | IskatuMesk | renting is shit |
| 05:32.53 | Bounty | I think this is just better left alone |
| 05:33.00 | Bounty | sadly |
| 05:33.15 | IskatuMesk | it's just the way I grew up I guess |
| 05:33.24 | Bounty | Although I think the voice work thing could still work |
| 05:33.30 | Bounty | if you get time |
| 05:33.35 | IskatuMesk | it could but only when my situation stabilizes |
| 05:33.43 | Bounty | of course |
| 05:33.46 | Bounty | whenever you can |
| 05:33.57 | Bounty | and if I find an alternative, I will let you know |
| 05:34.02 | IskatuMesk | I have a list a mile long of things I need to do and none of them I can really do |
| 05:34.05 | Bounty | just so you do not waste valuable time |
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| 05:34.15 | IskatuMesk | like |
| 05:34.21 | IskatuMesk | I will literally re-voice act the entire protoss race |
| 05:34.25 | IskatuMesk | and most of the terran |
| 05:34.31 | IskatuMesk | all zerg sounds are getting redone |
| 05:34.31 | Bounty | This is what confuses me |
| 05:34.35 | Bounty | this list you speak of |
| 05:34.43 | Bounty | does any of it = rent? |
| 05:34.46 | IskatuMesk | nope |
| 05:34.46 | Bounty | aka $$$$ |
| 05:34.48 | Bounty | ok |
| 05:34.51 | IskatuMesk | it's all for myself |
| 05:34.51 | Bounty | so... |
| 05:34.57 | IskatuMesk | and that's what I value most |
| 05:34.58 | Bounty | I |
| 05:35.16 | IskatuMesk | the housing situation right now is more about there being no places to actually rent |
| 05:35.19 | IskatuMesk | I'm on disability |
| 05:35.40 | Bounty | so its not a money issue |
| 05:35.44 | IskatuMesk | not entirely |
| 05:35.48 | Bounty | understood |
| 05:35.49 | pirate | well shit |
| 05:35.49 | IskatuMesk | I mean if I was making five digits |
| 05:35.52 | pirate | ""A quick update: We're going to be pushing the top ten reveal and therefore the voting period to next week, Tuesday July 8 until Thursday July 15. I'll be posting something more formal on the Arcade site tomorrow as well. Sorry for the wait!"" |
| 05:35.57 | IskatuMesk | then yeah I could just roll up some executive lot |
| 05:36.00 | pirate | late news I know |
| 05:36.08 | Bounty | 5 digits? lol |
| 05:36.15 | Bounty | 10,000? |
| 05:36.26 | IskatuMesk | monthly |
| 05:36.26 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 05:36.29 | IskatuMesk | would be nice huh |
| 05:36.42 | Bounty | my goal is 2k a month |
| 05:36.42 | IskatuMesk | in grand total I think disiability is about 800ish a month |
| 05:36.52 | Bounty | that is more than enough |
| 05:37.07 | Bounty | That is quite sickening, I made more than that on Unemployment |
| 05:37.13 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 05:37.17 | IskatuMesk | you can't live on your own with it |
| 05:37.20 | IskatuMesk | I live with my grandmother |
| 05:37.29 | Bounty | the difference is |
| 05:37.35 | Bounty | well... the difference between the two |
| 05:37.43 | Bounty | Disability = unable to work |
| 05:37.51 | Bounty | Unemployment = I haz no work ATM |
| 05:37.55 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 05:37.56 | Bounty | so.... |
| 05:38.06 | IskatuMesk | you get fucked right in the fleshy hiney |
| 05:38.17 | Bounty | You know my stepdad made more than me on Unemployment when I was working? |
| 05:38.20 | pirate | I was making 2k a month bartending |
| 05:38.23 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 05:38.31 | Bounty | like 500+ a week |
| 05:38.32 | Bounty | doing nothing |
| 05:38.33 | IskatuMesk | something I have considered is independent publishing |
| 05:38.35 | Bounty | Union |
| 05:38.43 | IskatuMesk | but I'd need to be able to write again |
| 05:38.47 | IskatuMesk | and the anxiety is far too much for that |
| 05:39.02 | Bounty | You require stabilization |
| 05:39.16 | Bounty | even if delusional |
| 05:39.17 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:39.23 | IskatuMesk | like I said last night/this morning, this year has been one of the shittiest years of my life so far |
| 05:39.34 | Bounty | actually, delusional would be preferred lol |
| 05:39.39 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 05:39.40 | Bounty | outside the box |
| 05:39.42 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:40.20 | Bounty | Well you have not snapped yet IsktatuMesk so you instantly have my respect lol |
| 05:40.23 | Bounty | I would have snapped already |
| 05:40.41 | IskatuMesk | I have snapped a few times |
| 05:40.46 | Bounty | nay |
| 05:40.50 | IskatuMesk | just my suicide attempts were unsuccessful |
| 05:40.53 | Bounty | I mean literal |
| 05:40.57 | Bounty | snap |
| 05:40.59 | Bounty | that is it |
| 05:41.01 | IskatuMesk | quite literal |
| 05:41.02 | Bounty | no turning back |
| 05:41.08 | IskatuMesk | 2010 was bad for that |
| 05:41.22 | IskatuMesk | I trained myself to see things in a yolo fuck da police mindset |
| 05:41.27 | IskatuMesk | so I stopped caring about everything |
| 05:41.32 | IskatuMesk | that's the only way I get through it |
| 05:41.37 | Bounty | you know I only recently learned what yolo meant? |
| 05:41.41 | Bounty | I thought it was a troll thing |
| 05:41.46 | IskatuMesk | it is a troll thing |
| 05:41.48 | IskatuMesk | it is used ironically |
| 05:41.52 | Bounty | oh |
| 05:42.00 | Bounty | well fuck me then |
| 05:42.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:42.04 | IskatuMesk | I mean I hope so at least |
| 05:42.12 | IskatuMesk | anyone who uses the terms swag or yolo seriously should be slapped |
| 05:42.16 | IskatuMesk | over and over again |
| 05:42.21 | Bounty | I always considered it on par with "lol + troll face" |
| 05:42.27 | Bounty | then I read it was "You only live once" |
| 05:42.31 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 05:42.32 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 05:42.38 | IskatuMesk | it's used to simulate something reckless or dumb |
| 05:42.46 | Bounty | ah |
| 05:42.53 | IskatuMesk | I guess teeny boppers use it seriously or something |
| 05:43.04 | Bounty | yeah I read it was a teenager thing |
| 05:43.16 | Bounty | but I think adults of our generation took it and made it trolol |
| 05:43.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:43.22 | IskatuMesk | yes |
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| 05:45.12 | qumanhawk | Q: Creating a custom ranged attack, missile is traveling along the ground? Any suggestions or links to tutorials for making a custom ranged attack? |
| 05:46.33 | Bounty | If someone as talented as yourself can become homeless IskatuMesk... I don't even know what to think of myself |
| 05:46.47 | JademusSreg | New Actor, type Action, parent GenericAttack, set the tokens for the effectLaunch and effectImpact. |
| 05:46.48 | IskatuMesk | needs to refer to a proper attachment point |
| 05:47.04 | IskatuMesk | else it defaults to origin, e.g. inside the ground |
| 05:48.07 | Bounty | I wish I had met you during the middle of my contract IskatuMesk |
| 05:48.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:50.25 | JademusSreg | I enjoy how you forget having met him previously. |
| 05:50.36 | Bounty | heh |
| 05:50.47 | IskatuMesk | it's ok I am senile too |
| 05:50.49 | Bounty | Unlike I define "met" in a much more intimate fashion |
| 05:50.57 | Bounty | unlike you I* |
| 05:51.18 | JademusSreg | So, what, intercourse? |
| 05:51.19 | IskatuMesk | I met jade behind an alleyway |
| 05:51.26 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 05:51.27 | Bounty | Knowing someone exists and speaking to them 1 or 2 times about stupid shit does not qualify as "met" |
| 05:51.29 | Bounty | IMO |
| 05:51.37 | IskatuMesk | we were both buck naked but only one of us was carrying a meat cleaver and a raging hardon |
| 05:52.10 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure that's what everyone means when they say "Oh, yeah, we've met before, haha, at that party, remember? " |
| 05:52.24 | Bounty | No? |
| 05:52.29 | JademusSreg | I suspect you're just misusing the word "met". |
| 05:52.32 | Bounty | I am not everyone |
| 05:52.35 | IskatuMesk | parties are for nerds |
| 05:52.43 | Bounty | You should know better JademusSreg |
| 05:52.45 | JademusSreg | Nerd parties are the best, I agree. |
| 05:52.57 | IskatuMesk | I am really, really hungry |
| 05:53.44 | IskatuMesk | time for cat drops, afk |
| 05:53.46 | Bounty | idk what you guys are trying to pull but its quite annoying lol |
| 05:54.38 | Bounty | Some fuckery is afoot |
| 05:54.47 | Bounty | as I have said before |
| 05:54.48 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:57.15 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 05:58.07 | qumanhawk | ooooh, i see, the model im using doesn't have attachment points. Thanks Iskatumesk and JademuSreg |
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| 06:05.02 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 06:06.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:10.42 | grim001 | pondering how I will handle lighting |
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| 06:15.54 | IskatuMesk | god damn... cat's eye is a mess, the water cooler was leaking, water EVERYWHERE |
| 06:16.25 | MoonEater916 | SO |
| 06:16.40 | MoonEater916 | does anyone know why Range = (Value of Weapons (Unit weapon 1) Range for player Any Player as an integer) <Real> throws and error with melee units? |
| 06:16.56 | MoonEater916 | returns a 0 when it melee but throws and error |
| 06:17.05 | MoonEater916 | funny cause it went away |
| 06:17.07 | MoonEater916 | then came back |
| 06:17.10 | MoonEater916 | with vengance |
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| 06:32.28 | Merc | Who was Teratron and why did he ask for me? |
| 06:32.48 | JademusSreg | ~whois Teratron |
| 06:32.48 | purl | hmm... teratron is known as Stewox. |
| 06:33.15 | Merc | doesnt tell me much |
| 06:33.57 | Merc | also, Delphinium, allow me to present my glorious death animation for my newest building: http://i.imgur.com/06Lc2ET.gif |
| 06:34.03 | Merc | see how gracefully it collapses |
| 06:38.32 | JademusSreg | Haha, Starfish Rocket. |
| 06:40.17 | Teratron | merc |
| 06:40.23 | Teratron | that was a long time ago |
| 06:40.36 | Teratron | i already got help thanks |
| 06:42.00 | Merc | oh okay |
| 06:42.19 | Merc | I'm a massive newbie though, probably wouldnt have been able to help :p |
| 06:48.14 | qumanhawk | q: I have ranged attack with an arrow coming out of a bow, but the arrow is coming out 90 degrees the wrong way. how can I fix that? |
| 06:48.52 | JademusSreg | That's interesting. You mean the arrow is pointing the wrong way or launching the wrong way? |
| 06:49.01 | qumanhawk | pointing the wrong way |
| 06:49.05 | qumanhawk | its launching just fine |
| 06:49.33 | qumanhawk | but from start to finish its point 90 degrees left, instead of just straight towards the target |
| 06:49.33 | JademusSreg | Well, sounds like the asset was modeled in a weird orientation, but there is a data-based solution. |
| 06:49.44 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 06:49.50 | JademusSreg | Not the asset then. |
| 06:50.16 | qumanhawk | what was the data solution? |
| 06:50.23 | JademusSreg | Copy the XML for the Action actor and paste it here: https://pastee.org/ |
| 06:52.00 | qumanhawk | https://pastee.org/rpkn4 |
| 06:52.48 | Merc | looks familiar |
| 06:52.53 | Merc | whistles |
| 06:52.58 | JademusSreg | And the Missile actor, too. |
| 06:53.33 | JademusSreg | I expect a launch guide or site ops issue, since there's nothing obviously bugged in the action actor. |
| 06:53.34 | Merc | I thought the rotation was in the actual model entry though |
| 06:53.35 | qumanhawk | https://pastee.org/7rdja |
| 06:54.18 | JademusSreg | If the arrow always points -world- left irrelevant of the direction of the caster, it' |
| 06:54.47 | qumanhawk | its always left of caster rotation |
| 06:54.48 | JademusSreg | *it's an actor issue. If it always points left relative to the caster, it's an asset issue. |
| 06:54.53 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 06:55.03 | JademusSreg | Means it's super easy to fix. |
| 06:55.17 | qumanhawk | what I gotta do to fix the asset? |
| 06:55.18 | JademusSreg | Just need a host site rotation. |
| 06:55.44 | qumanhawk | where do I add that? |
| 06:55.51 | JademusSreg | Oh, to fix the asset, you open it in 3dsmax and rotate it to correct the improper orientation. |
| 06:56.22 | qumanhawk | how about the host site rotation? |
| 06:56.29 | Merc | This is basically exactly like when I had this issue: http://i.imgur.com/V6NF2NX.gif |
| 06:57.02 | JademusSreg | But to solve the issue in data, the Missile actor just needs its Host Site Operations field set with a site op to rotate it; there's 90, 180, and 270 available by default. |
| 06:57.07 | JademusSreg | And custom site ops can be made. |
| 06:57.44 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:58.21 | Merc | So how's that tutorial going JademusSreg :D |
| 06:58.44 | JademusSreg | Tutorials are agonizingly boring to write. =D |
| 06:58.55 | Merc | sure are |
| 06:58.57 | qumanhawk | http://gyazo.com/6c58712bb87179506f48519fc93bf3b0 |
| 06:59.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:59.26 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 06:59.29 | qumanhawk | lol |
| 06:59.31 | Merc | those arrows still look like they could hurt, though |
| 06:59.40 | Merc | what if it hits you on the fingers |
| 06:59.43 | Merc | *smack* |
| 06:59.52 | IskatuMesk | tutorials are best done as videos |
| 07:00.00 | IskatuMesk | unless you are a good writer |
| 07:00.06 | IskatuMesk | most written tutorials are not tutorials |
| 07:00.17 | IskatuMesk | step by step to do x y z is not a tutorial, because it rarely actually explains anything |
| 07:00.34 | IskatuMesk | likewise most videos are shit |
| 07:00.38 | IskatuMesk | but I prefer videos because they are easier |
| 07:00.51 | Merc | more than half of video tutorials are even more agonizing than how agonizing it would be to create one in text form |
| 07:01.05 | JademusSreg | If it were pointing differently, like south or some other weird behavior, I'd suspect mover, but yeah, looks like an asset orientation problem that could be resolved with a host site ops. |
| 07:01.05 | IskatuMesk | if they are poorly made, yeah |
| 07:01.32 | Merc | what do you think the chances are that a video tutorial is bad |
| 07:01.40 | IskatuMesk | 95% |
| 07:01.42 | JademusSreg | High. |
| 07:01.46 | Merc | and how do you know it's bad |
| 07:01.51 | JademusSreg | PAcing. |
| 07:01.56 | IskatuMesk | the first thing you hear is crackling |
| 07:02.03 | Merc | breathing |
| 07:02.05 | Merc | and "uhmm" |
| 07:02.08 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 07:02.12 | Merc | but it might still be decent when he gets into it |
| 07:02.24 | JademusSreg | Poor production quality correlates strongly with poor content. =D |
| 07:02.25 | Merc | so you have to check it out for a few minutes |
| 07:02.34 | IskatuMesk | most video tutorials are still just step by step without any actual explanation |
| 07:02.47 | Merc | yep |
| 07:02.51 | Merc | and those are better than nothing |
| 07:02.58 | IskatuMesk | I can't learn off of tutorials, I need an actual tutor, so when I try to explain something, I try to address things like a tutor would |
| 07:04.03 | Merc | I hate having to rewind over and over for a part I am struggling with |
| 07:04.08 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 07:04.19 | IskatuMesk | that's the big negative of videos |
| 07:04.32 | IskatuMesk | I think the UDK 3dbuzz series is fairly decent |
| 07:04.38 | qumanhawk | JademysSreg, you are the best. working perfect with a 270 site rotation |
| 07:04.43 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 07:04.48 | IskatuMesk | but for example |
| 07:04.48 | qumanhawk | arrows look like they can actually kill now |
| 07:04.53 | IskatuMesk | almost all modeling stuff I run into is bad |
| 07:05.00 | IskatuMesk | the eat3d stuff is really bad |
| 07:05.13 | IskatuMesk | almost all commercial stuff is universally bad |
| 07:06.08 | IskatuMesk | my old written stuff sucks too |
| 07:06.11 | IskatuMesk | that's why I stopped making it |
| 07:06.57 | Merc | might be really good for learning, though |
| 07:07.18 | Merc | Maybe I'll try to make a tutorial on how to make a new unit just to learn it properly |
| 07:07.21 | IskatuMesk | my learning disability makes it difficult |
| 07:07.26 | Merc | and then JademusSreg can come in and tear it apart |
| 07:07.43 | IskatuMesk | I would consider making tutorials for sc2 but I am far too incompetent to know enough about it |
| 07:07.59 | Merc | same here |
| 07:08.05 | IskatuMesk | I plan for the UDK was that, if I did learn it, I would build a video series that completely covers the major facets |
| 07:08.11 | IskatuMesk | and just drive the commercial retards out of business |
| 07:08.14 | IskatuMesk | by releasing it for free |
| 07:08.16 | Merc | tutorials made by people who dont really know the subject are usually terrible |
| 07:08.20 | Merc | and you learn bad habits from it |
| 07:08.23 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 07:09.11 | Merc | Like, most tutorials I've seen on how to make units are just.. "duplicate something that is similar to how you want your unit to be" |
| 07:09.19 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 07:09.24 | IskatuMesk | I went looking for sc2 stuff and it's all depressing |
| 07:09.54 | Merc | blizzard's own data tutorial is "go in and actually change this existing unit instead of making a new one" |
| 07:10.30 | JademusSreg | HAhaha |
| 07:10.37 | IskatuMesk | I prefer talking about design ideas rather than technical stuff |
| 07:10.42 | IskatuMesk | that's something I can do a lot more easily |
| 07:10.46 | JademusSreg | "And enjoy the next patch when it breaks all your shit." |
| 07:12.23 | Merc | what do you think about that idea though JademusSreg |
| 07:12.39 | Merc | I could try making a tutorial on how to make a new unit |
| 07:12.43 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:12.45 | Merc | step by step, from scratch |
| 07:12.55 | JademusSreg | With screenshots. |
| 07:12.57 | Merc | and then you could step in and tell me how awful I am |
| 07:13.12 | JademusSreg | Sounds the role I was destined to fulfill. |
| 07:13.19 | Merc | your true calling |
| 07:13.43 | IskatuMesk | I really wish my headphones didn't die |
| 07:14.32 | Bounty | Should buy a pair of wired headphones IksatuMesk |
| 07:14.40 | IskatuMesk | they were wired |
| 07:14.46 | IskatuMesk | I think it's the wiring that broke, actually |
| 07:14.57 | IskatuMesk | pity I don't have the tools to pry them apart safely |
| 07:14.59 | Merc | sounds fixable |
| 07:15.17 | IskatuMesk | there's no screws or anything I can get access to |
| 07:15.35 | Merc | describe the issue |
| 07:15.41 | IskatuMesk | left speaker died |
| 07:15.59 | Merc | what kinda headphones? |
| 07:16.06 | IskatuMesk | steelseries siberia v2 |
| 07:16.12 | Merc | oh those |
| 07:16.15 | IskatuMesk | apparently quite common |
| 07:16.20 | Merc | mass produced plastic :( |
| 07:16.24 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 07:16.25 | Merc | got a soldering tool? |
| 07:16.27 | IskatuMesk | nope |
| 07:16.40 | IskatuMesk | like I said, I wish I had the tools to service it |
| 07:16.58 | IskatuMesk | I'd buy something less... gamey |
| 07:17.00 | IskatuMesk | but yeah |
| 07:17.06 | Merc | you like videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUalP7Of7MU |
| 07:17.08 | IskatuMesk | no green atm |
| 07:17.20 | Merc | watch through that and see if it covers what you need |
| 07:18.25 | Bounty | Bounty's theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkU23m6yX04 |
| 07:18.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:18.45 | IskatuMesk | oh, there's where the screws are |
| 07:18.51 | Merc | (isnt it fun to have to watch through a 10 minute video to determine if it will even be useful) |
| 07:19.38 | Merc | if you get a new pair and you dont need a mic, let me recommend Sony MDR-V6 |
| 07:20.04 | JademusSreg | Nap time. |
| 07:20.09 | Merc | gn8 m8 |
| 07:21.08 | IskatuMesk | I use blue yeti for my mic so yeah |
| 07:21.11 | IskatuMesk | don't need a headset mic |
| 07:22.42 | IskatuMesk | I don't see sony on ncix... hmm |
| 07:24.11 | IskatuMesk | ah, there they are |
| 07:25.47 | IskatuMesk | I do not see that specific set, though... hmm |
| 07:28.03 | Merc | I got them off amazon |
| 07:28.48 | Merc | unless you use them for travel, they'll last you for decades |
| 07:29.20 | Merc | but I guess you have priorities right now |
| 07:30.03 | IskatuMesk | they'd be about my price range actually |
| 07:30.11 | IskatuMesk | but I don't have anything to spend currently |
| 07:31.13 | Merc | only issue I have with them is that the cord is a bit frail, but then again they're studio headphones |
| 07:31.25 | Merc | you plug them in and leave them there |
| 07:31.29 | IskatuMesk | I hadn't settled on what to purchase, these seem a good choice |
| 07:31.42 | Merc | they're very comfortable |
| 07:31.49 | Merc | most important thing for me |
| 07:31.53 | Merc | and they dont leak sound |
| 07:31.53 | IskatuMesk | I'd get some more expensive studio headphones but I need to get a mic boom and some other shit when I have more money freedom |
| 07:32.41 | Merc | if you're gonna run podcasts and stuff you might even look somewhat professional with these on |
| 07:32.55 | IskatuMesk | I'd at least like to be able to get a few casts out of the way... which I can't do without headphones |
| 07:33.04 | IskatuMesk | my stuff is audio only haha |
| 07:33.19 | Merc | right one still works right? :p |
| 07:33.32 | Merc | set your audio to mono :D |
| 07:33.32 | IskatuMesk | yeah, but it gives me a headache to listen to it like that |
| 07:33.44 | Bounty | swear to jebus, kill me |
| 07:33.46 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:33.53 | Merc | kill you how |
| 07:34.02 | Bounty | you choose |
| 07:34.13 | IskatuMesk | unsheaths dragon dildo |
| 07:34.58 | Merc | backs away |
| 07:35.14 | IskatuMesk | this will be long, and painful, and dangerous for your lawn insurance |
| 07:36.15 | IskatuMesk | brb |
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| 08:00.26 | Bounty | peow |
| 08:00.30 | IskatuMesk | that water got everywhere |
| 08:00.34 | IskatuMesk | it was dripping downstairs |
| 08:00.35 | IskatuMesk | fantastic |
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| 08:01.45 | Bounty | peow again, got kicked |
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| 08:08.58 | Bounty | WTF, kicked again? |
| 08:10.56 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.59 | Bounty | *shrug* did not close the page |
| 08:16.49 | Merc | prove it |
| 08:17.45 | Bounty | Not sure how I could prove that |
| 08:17.55 | Bounty | Oh well |
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| 08:28.09 | MoonEater916 | anyone have any tips for a critical strike text tag? |
| 08:28.24 | MoonEater916 | just doesnt look good |
| 08:28.27 | MoonEater916 | what i have |
| 08:30.03 | MoonEater916 | Bounty |
| 08:30.13 | Bounty | ? |
| 08:30.36 | MoonEater916 | any ideas for critical hit notifacation or icon or what not |
| 08:30.39 | MoonEater916 | what i have sucks |
| 08:30.46 | Bounty | eh |
| 08:30.56 | Bounty | Tonight is not a good night |
| 08:30.57 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:30.59 | Bounty | apologies |
| 08:31.10 | MoonEater916 | AWWW |
| 08:31.25 | MoonEater916 | well have a drink on me |
| 08:36.35 | Merc | what do you have now, MoonEater916 ? |
| 08:37.01 | MoonEater916 | it just text tag showing damage delt |
| 08:37.10 | Merc | for both normal hits and critical hits |
| 08:37.10 | MoonEater916 | i need to highlight text, not sure how tho |
| 08:37.15 | MoonEater916 | yep |
| 08:37.24 | Merc | can you show me? |
| 08:37.28 | MoonEater916 | sure |
| 08:37.42 | Merc | I feel like this is more of a design issue than a technical issue |
| 08:39.08 | MoonEater916 | it is |
| 08:39.14 | MoonEater916 | i need a artistic impression |
| 08:39.23 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fok57ouygz2937g/dmg.png |
| 08:39.26 | MoonEater916 | it works |
| 08:39.30 | MoonEater916 | just doesnt look good |
| 08:39.39 | Merc | are the numbers animated? |
| 08:39.42 | MoonEater916 | damage drifts from the attack direction |
| 08:39.50 | MoonEater916 | thats the only real animation |
| 08:40.03 | Merc | what people are used to when it comes to critical attacks |
| 08:40.32 | Merc | is that the number is bigger, has a more intense color, or "pops" |
| 08:40.45 | MoonEater916 | well |
| 08:41.02 | Merc | popping, as in, an animation that expands it fast and contracts it |
| 08:41.13 | MoonEater916 | because im attacking an and thus an allie is being damage, it doesnt pop as much |
| 08:41.27 | MoonEater916 | enemey has brighter color to stats |
| 08:41.37 | MoonEater916 | its based on perspective |
| 08:41.40 | Merc | I think you should just go for the standard |
| 08:41.43 | MoonEater916 | let me get one vs a enemey |
| 08:41.56 | Merc | red numbers are for when you take damage yourself |
| 08:42.01 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 08:42.09 | Merc | white numbers for normal damage you deal |
| 08:42.15 | MoonEater916 | exactly |
| 08:42.16 | Merc | yellow numbers for special damage you deal |
| 08:42.21 | MoonEater916 | yep |
| 08:42.31 | MoonEater916 | black is crit vs self |
| 08:42.35 | Merc | and make numbers *pop* when you do a crit |
| 08:42.54 | Merc | colours imply categorization |
| 08:43.25 | Merc | red = self, white = normal, yellow = special |
| 08:43.57 | MoonEater916 | yes its that way alright |
| 08:43.57 | Merc | self crit = red number that pops |
| 08:44.06 | MoonEater916 | black is crit vs on self/allie |
| 08:44.12 | MoonEater916 | ghost was an alli |
| 08:44.13 | MoonEater916 | allie |
| 08:44.30 | Merc | I'd avoid black numbers, tbh |
| 08:44.32 | Merc | hard to read |
| 08:44.51 | Merc | especially since you have a black shadow on all numbers as well |
| 08:45.07 | MoonEater916 | hm... |
| 08:46.08 | Merc | make the numbers increase quickly to around 150% size compared to normal numbers, then reduce to 120% for the rest of the display period |
| 08:46.37 | Merc | users are already used to critical numbers popping, no need to give them a color as well |
| 08:48.01 | Merc | might want to make all numbers pop, just to make it seem more lively |
| 08:48.16 | Merc | but I'd make normal numbers only slightly pop then |
| 08:48.23 | Merc | while crits pop larger |
| 08:48.33 | MoonEater916 | hm... |
| 08:48.46 | Merc | it's not only displaying information |
| 08:49.06 | MoonEater916 | is there a way to highlight text tags |
| 08:49.10 | MoonEater916 | background sucks |
| 08:49.12 | Merc | haven't got a clue |
| 08:51.33 | MoonEater916 | im trying to see what a crit hit looks like on enemey |
| 08:51.40 | MoonEater916 | had a bug |
| 09:09.36 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:14.33 | MoonEater916 | bounty how do i make a unit not move when its being attack |
| 09:14.39 | MoonEater916 | need it to sit there like a boss |
| 09:14.49 | Bounty | *shrug* |
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| 09:57.51 | Bounty | night all |
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| 12:11.19 | turtles1 | hey all |
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| 12:14.09 | IskatuMesk | merc do those headphones need an amp |
| 12:25.32 | Merc | I don't use an amp with them |
| 12:29.03 | IskatuMesk | kk |
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| 13:16.04 | pirate | heroes uses some nice fonts |
| 13:22.32 | Merc | typfaces |
| 13:22.36 | Merc | typefaces* |
| 13:22.50 | pirate | fuck you |
| 13:23.01 | pirate | and your designer diction |
| 13:23.09 | Merc | >:D |
| 13:23.25 | Merc | a font is a subgroup of a typeface |
| 13:23.34 | pirate | GODDAMNIT I KNOW |
| 13:23.43 | Merc | when you say font you refer to a particular weight and size of a typeface |
| 13:24.05 | Merc | *smugface* |
| 13:24.30 | Merc | I say font all the time myself |
| 13:27.32 | IskatuMesk | wat |
| 13:27.48 | pirate | SO DO I |
| 13:27.54 | Merc | höhö |
| 13:29.07 | Merc | which font in particular do you mean btw? |
| 13:29.26 | Merc | think someone dug through and found several different ones |
| 13:29.49 | IskatuMesk | I need some devilish looking fonts... and some fancy ones |
| 13:30.00 | IskatuMesk | I wonder where those commercial fonts I was sent are.. |
| 13:30.16 | pirate | they are all helvetica |
| 13:30.22 | Merc | www.dafont.com - knock yourself out |
| 13:31.57 | IskatuMesk | oic |
| 13:31.59 | IskatuMesk | oo cowboy fonts |
| 13:32.03 | Merc | if it is helvetica now, they've changed |
| 13:32.04 | IskatuMesk | perfect for my amerika faction |
| 13:37.29 | pirate | I'm using http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Orbitron |
| 13:38.06 | Merc | dat lowercase a |
| 13:38.52 | pirate | and ofc http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Raleway |
| 13:39.49 | Merc | looks good |
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| 13:55.10 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 14:04.48 | pirate | workin on my time stop ability |
| 14:08.27 | IskatuMesk | so, to use a font for a unit name |
| 14:08.34 | pirate | mhm |
| 14:08.35 | IskatuMesk | what template should I base it on |
| 14:08.44 | pirate | in the info unit pane? |
| 14:08.47 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 14:09.25 | pirate | InfoPaneUnit |
| 14:09.35 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.04 | pirate | <Style val="MahSoPrettehFont"/> |
| 14:10.32 | pirate | the real question is |
| 14:11.04 | pirate | Can you natively get the array position of a struct passed with structref |
| 14:14.19 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 14:14.24 | IskatuMesk | style tag definitely did not work... |
| 14:15.56 | IskatuMesk | can you even use styles on unit names? |
| 14:22.41 | IskatuMesk | there we go |
| 14:22.44 | IskatuMesk | the glow isn't working, though |
| 14:24.19 | IskatuMesk | can't change the font size? |
| 14:24.25 | IskatuMesk | keeps resetting back to 14 |
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| 14:39.20 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/vSursFp.png will take a bit to make it look as good as it did in bw... |
| 14:41.18 | IskatuMesk | especially since the data editor just randomly refuses to let me change values on the font |
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| 14:50.27 | IskatuMesk | butts. figured that would be an easier thing to accomplish |
| 14:50.56 | IskatuMesk | increasing the font size doesn't actually increase the font size |
| 14:55.20 | pirate | you have to set it in the text module |
| 14:55.26 | pirate | wheres the model from? |
| 14:58.34 | IskatuMesk | lineage 2 |
| 15:00.11 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/JQSnB8k.jpg |
| 15:04.17 | Arcane|Work | Good morning. I see more butts are present |
| 15:04.25 | Arcane|Work | Is this to be another day of butts? |
| 15:04.30 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 15:04.35 | pirate | butts follow iskatu wherever he goes |
| 15:04.48 | pirate | legends say if you listen closely, you still hear them calling |
| 15:04.57 | Arcane|Work | Well... that explains all the little demons in the boss fight, they were all screaming butts |
| 15:05.30 | Arcane|Work | the legion of butts |
| 15:33.49 | IskatuMesk | buttered butts |
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| 15:58.43 | pirate | can you simply, "disable energy regen" with behaviors? |
| 16:01.32 | pirate | no, not exactly, but you COULD have energy regen come from a behavior, and then disable the regen behavior |
| 16:01.43 | pirate | good thinking, other pirate |
| 16:16.18 | pirate | oh, what do you know, there IS a suppress energy regen flag |
| 16:18.43 | EntityEnigma | what do people usually study to make games |
| 16:18.54 | EntityEnigma | media arts and programing? |
| 16:19.07 | pirate | comp sci / psych / communication |
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| 16:28.40 | Arcane|Work | EntityEnigma: Making a video game in its entirety is quite broad. |
| 16:29.09 | Arcane|Work | To make the game engine requires Computer Science/Software Engineering/Mathematics/Physics |
| 16:29.30 | Arcane|Work | As well as further specializations in graphics and sound |
| 16:30.18 | Arcane|Work | Then you require artistic skill and knowledge of 2d sprites or 3d modeling. Which is further specialization in graphics and graphic design |
| 16:30.48 | Arcane|Work | As well as doing sketch work and storyboarding. Then you need a writer to do at least the dialog. |
| 16:31.01 | Arcane|Work | So fiction writing/english major. |
| 16:31.42 | Merc | some people dont study at all and just get right into it |
| 16:31.51 | Arcane|Work | And finally you need more software skill to take the tools you just built and use them. The people who use the editor to make SC2 maps (Ladder/Campaign/etc.) are not the same who code up the editor it self. |
| 16:33.03 | Arcane|Work | That too, but although those people tend to be enthusastic and good self learners, the lack of formal education/theory can lead to some obvious design mistakes. |
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| 16:33.42 | Merc | yup |
| 16:34.07 | Arcane|Work | Not using known algorithims and tryign to reinvent the wheel or not utlizing known good design priniciples (modularity/encapsulation/separation of concerns, etc.) can lead to games that work but are a technical mess and painful to extend or maintain, leading to costly rewrites. |
| 16:35.21 | Arcane|Work | So games from such people tend to be creative/innovative/entertaining, but unstable or limited to scope, requiring any sequel to be a total rewrite and thus take as much time as the first, which is very expensive in the long run. |
| 16:37.47 | Arcane|Work | Sadly, stability and good software is not valued, and when customers complain about it, they are usually angry/shocked on just how much it would REALLY cost to have such things. |
| 16:38.49 | Arcane|Work | On reddit there is a fairly nasty long thread on why Blizzard is out of touch charging 60 USD for Starcraft II, and it seems people either want less content (thus cheaper) or they WANT to be nickel and dimed to death (see DotA/LoL). |
| 16:39.51 | Merc | those threads show up after every steam sale I think |
| 16:39.59 | Merc | pretty consistently |
| 16:39.59 | pirate | lol |
| 16:40.13 | Merc | hurr why dont quality gaems cost 10 dollars? |
| 16:41.33 | Ahli | if you compare a game to a evening drunk, both can cost the same... => games are cheap |
| 16:41.58 | Merc | games are cheap to people who have money |
| 16:42.02 | pirate | beer is cheaper in germany |
| 16:42.28 | IskatuMesk | alright, ordered those headphones |
| 16:42.35 | IskatuMesk | now a few more days of being unable to hear shit all |
| 16:42.50 | Merc | gratz |
| 16:42.53 | Ahli | depends where you go to I guess... if you drink in a club, you pay insane prices :D |
| 16:43.29 | IskatuMesk | very few developers build their own engines |
| 16:43.41 | IskatuMesk | most rely on middleware and copy pasting code from places like gamedev.net |
| 16:43.53 | pirate | whaaat, I remember getting 1 euro shots in clubs in munich |
| 16:44.11 | IskatuMesk | blizzard is pretty bad for that, especially with games like d2 |
| 16:44.40 | Ahli | that is really cheap... usually you pay 2 or 2,50¤ for them |
| 16:44.49 | pirate | inflation |
| 16:45.06 | IskatuMesk | anyways |
| 16:45.18 | IskatuMesk | the original question about what to study to make games, study games themselves |
| 16:45.32 | IskatuMesk | "making games" is really broad, even when you use third party shit |
| 16:45.40 | IskatuMesk | you should know what makes a good game before learning technical aspects behind it |
| 16:45.56 | IskatuMesk | then the technical aspects will make more sense as you get into them |
| 16:46.07 | IskatuMesk | which will lead to better practice of employing those aspects |
| 16:46.25 | IskatuMesk | the vast majority of "game programmers" are hired plainly for cheapness and abundance and not about actual skill |
| 16:46.34 | IskatuMesk | games are also typically massively overstaffed |
| 16:46.55 | IskatuMesk | look into the UDK, unity, or cryengine, depending which interests you the most |
| 16:47.13 | IskatuMesk | Unreal 4, for 20 bucks, hands you the entire source code as well |
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| 16:48.52 | IskatuMesk | as for the costs of games... the free to play thing is basically destroying most games it touches |
| 16:49.16 | Merc | how do I change the lighting in cutscene editor? |
| 16:49.23 | IskatuMesk | window -> lighting |
| 16:49.41 | Merc | nice |
| 16:53.49 | IskatuMesk | heh... people thinking that projects took long to make only starting with sc2 |
| 16:55.08 | pirate | here's a crazy layout question - is it possible to attach a frame/image to the end (length value) of a UnitStatusBar? |
| 17:06.14 | Arcane|Work | Sure, why not? |
| 17:06.34 | pirate | erm, how? |
| 17:06.38 | Arcane|Work | Just create an image frame, set left anchor to be relative to max of the unit status bar frame |
| 17:06.46 | pirate | ahh |
| 17:06.47 | pirate | hmm |
| 17:07.47 | pirate | also, I cant seem to find the layout for the TugOfWar bar used in the campaign |
| 17:08.00 | Arcane|Work | Anything can be done this way. All elements can be offset from another and do relative posotion. The height and width are only needed for absolute position of sorts, but even then, those are just to avoid using both anchors. |
| 17:09.10 | Arcane|Work | The only reasons to use height/width is to have sizes that are the same on all resolutions |
| 17:09.31 | Arcane|Work | Otherwise, best to use anchors, so the UI scales with resolutions |
| 17:10.37 | Arcane|Work | Oh the one from the last lab mission? |
| 17:10.41 | pirate | ye |
| 17:11.27 | Arcane|Work | That one may not have been done in UI XML, since that was almost certainly a model, although it may have been an animated image of a progress bar. |
| 17:11.42 | pirate | looked at the triggers |
| 17:12.10 | pirate | it hooks up something (like) ConsoleUIContainer/TugOfWarPanel |
| 17:12.47 | pirate | but alas, I could not find TugOfWarPanel |
| 17:15.21 | pirate | meanwhile the layout search function is useless |
| 17:15.54 | Arcane|Work | Oh>? |
| 17:16.54 | Arcane|Work | Well, Blizzard overrode their own GameUI with the file HotS Game UI |
| 17:17.02 | Arcane|Work | Inside that is a TugOfWarFrame |
| 17:17.04 | pirate | search for "Tug" in all layouts, brings me to ...Anchor side=>>"To<<p"... |
| 17:17.12 | Arcane|Work | The template is in gameunit panels |
| 17:17.24 | Arcane|Work | HotS_GameUnitFrame* |
| 17:17.26 | pirate | ahah |
| 17:17.28 | pirate | I see |
| 17:18.15 | Arcane|Work | It appears there is 2 progress bars, but the sizziling effect is a flash image |
| 17:18.35 | Arcane|Work | UI/Flash/GameUI/UI_HotS_TugOfWar.swf is the name of the flash file referenced |
| 17:18.47 | pirate | excellent |
| 17:18.57 | IskatuMesk | hmm... I wonder if sc2 can communicate with flash actionscript.. |
| 17:19.22 | Arcane|Work | To my knowledge, no, it can only invoke them, and even then, they are only permitted on Blizzard maps |
| 17:19.32 | IskatuMesk | butts |
| 17:19.42 | IskatuMesk | something to look into when I get someone to crack the format, then |
| 17:20.10 | Arcane|Work | Can not be bypassed, since it is based on the map being signed by Blizzard's private key |
| 17:20.27 | IskatuMesk | hacking the exe could surely accomplish it |
| 17:20.41 | Arcane|Work | Errmm... no? you don't have the key |
| 17:21.03 | IskatuMesk | locally? wouldn't the whole key process be a part of the game code? |
| 17:21.11 | IskatuMesk | how does it verify when offline?> |
| 17:21.22 | Arcane|Work | Refuse to run if it can't go online? |
| 17:21.32 | IskatuMesk | thought you could play the campaign offline |
| 17:21.42 | Arcane|Work | You have to go online first |
| 17:21.45 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 17:21.54 | IskatuMesk | well, I'll let the other guy figure that out |
| 17:21.59 | IskatuMesk | I can only guess how it works |
| 17:22.25 | Arcane|Work | Like Steam, you still must authenticate. Also, the game, if ANY files are modified, does a hashcheck and launch and nukes the entire dependency or affected files and redownloads them. |
| 17:22.53 | IskatuMesk | the reverse engineering would be centralized around removing the online aspects of the game, partly to freeze the version |
| 17:23.04 | Arcane|Work | So you would have to hack the game to strip out any authentication, which may be possible, but not sure if that's worth it. |
| 17:23.09 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:23.18 | IskatuMesk | will greatly depend how much work is involved |
| 17:23.24 | IskatuMesk | I mean, I really want to be able to use the play video triggers |
| 17:24.31 | Arcane|Work | Fair point, it just the video stuff is a legal risk to to Blizzard |
| 17:24.41 | Arcane|Work | For about a dozen different reasons |
| 17:24.56 | Arcane|Work | Hence why it is locked. Flash is worse, its a legal AND security risk |
| 17:25.03 | IskatuMesk | everything involving my project is a legal risk to blizzard, just one of many reasons why it wouldn't ever show up on b.ent |
| 17:25.16 | Arcane|Work | lol :D |
| 17:25.53 | IskatuMesk | technically everything we did in brood war was super illegal too |
| 17:26.13 | IskatuMesk | they just had local hosting, so as far they were concerned, if we weren't doing something insanely dangerous to their server health, they didn't care |
| 17:26.17 | IskatuMesk | same with wc3 |
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| 17:28.01 | IskatuMesk | a lot of this would be unnecessary if they lifted those restrictions and had a single checksum-oriented external dependency system like sins, supreme commander, etc |
| 17:28.27 | IskatuMesk | they can just say "hey, this isn't on bent, we aren't responsible" and people can do all the fun stuff like custom menus, triggers, etc |
| 17:29.03 | IskatuMesk | such as I had been telling them since like 6 years ago... |
| 17:29.32 | Arcane|Work | *Shrug* |
| 17:31.15 | IskatuMesk | personally I blame assinvasion for stuff like b.ent |
| 17:31.36 | IskatuMesk | too much greed around the potential of selling maps |
| 17:31.41 | Arcane|Work | I would agree, but only partially. |
| 17:32.28 | IskatuMesk | they were slipping down that hole on their own but the mindset change was pretty dramatic from wc3 to now |
| 17:32.50 | IskatuMesk | maybe dota had that effect |
| 17:33.20 | Arcane|Work | Personally, I feel Blizzard let the success and more importantly, the methodology of success of WoW get to them. They kept using larger and larger teams, but that became unsustainable, and with the Titan project, it reached a point where they realized and rexamined how they did stuff. Also much of their technology is old, so they realized they needed to redo soem stuff |
| 17:33.37 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:33.41 | Arcane|Work | Hence the reboot of Titan, and also the VERY small teams for Hearthstone and Storm |
| 17:33.48 | IskatuMesk | wow had some huge layoffs, didn't it? |
| 17:35.03 | Arcane|Work | I do not know, all I know is that the Titan staff were reassigned back to the other projects. Also stuff like CASC sugguest Blizzard is investing heavily into backend systems. I think B.net was simply not up to the task on the backend. People believed that B.net 1.0 was fine, but B.net 1.0 never had traffic akin to SC2 ever, even at the height of Wc3. |
| 17:35.23 | IskatuMesk | their server hardware from the launch of 1.0 is still trucking along |
| 17:35.26 | IskatuMesk | but yeah, it was messy |
| 17:35.31 | Arcane|Work | Simply put, they pushed their architecture too far, and now are having to redo it, which doesn't exactly sell. |
| 17:36.08 | IskatuMesk | all the more reason they should have stuck to local hosting with sc2 |
| 17:36.16 | Arcane|Work | I see things like CASC as part of that effort, to redo their backend to scale with their current size. |
| 17:36.33 | IskatuMesk | I think it probably more has to do with the patching logistics of wow |
| 17:36.44 | IskatuMesk | that game's patches are huge, even for simple things, and the loading is crazy |
| 17:36.55 | Arcane|Work | It is, its for ALL their games. The patching was getting unreal. |
| 17:37.00 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:37.06 | Arcane|Work | See even SC2, have to download 10+ patches to be current. |
| 17:37.25 | IskatuMesk | you know what was fun? |
| 17:37.32 | IskatuMesk | installing wow from scratch to wotlk. on cds. |
| 17:38.18 | Arcane|Work | As for the local thing, sadly, server side is the only demonstrably provable security model. Any other form of DRM is flawed, but server side is not, just like preloading is also a valid DRM scheme (from a technical point of view). |
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| 17:38.45 | Arcane|Work | In both case, you never hand the key to the user, so they have nothing to hack/crack/exploit/abuse |
| 17:38.45 | IskatuMesk | ah yes, DRM |
| 17:38.46 | Bounty | peow |
| 17:38.54 | IskatuMesk | the wonders of everyone's love for the rod |
| 17:39.31 | Arcane|Work | To this day, D3 has never had any major hack, only exploits of the server side code that have been patched. No duping to my knowledge, and no private servers afaik (though I do not keep up as much). |
| 17:39.43 | IskatuMesk | I heard a fair bit about duping actually |
| 17:39.48 | IskatuMesk | also, client-side timers on the AH |
| 17:39.58 | IskatuMesk | that was a chortle |
| 17:40.21 | Arcane|Work | There was some due to some bugs with the AH, but now? Not so much. Compared to pretty much any other non serverside ARPG, where duping is a given. |
| 17:40.54 | IskatuMesk | does anyone even play d3 anymore? besides diehards? |
| 17:41.00 | Arcane|Work | Umm... yes? |
| 17:41.05 | IskatuMesk | how many? |
| 17:41.44 | Arcane|Work | Afaict (but this is purely anecdotal) a decent amount, but how many (even loosely) I don't have a clue, I still see friends on. |
| 17:41.56 | IskatuMesk | I would expect the numbers to be fairly high due to the next expansion, but I remember seeing 600ish average a few months after classic |
| 17:42.17 | Arcane|Work | Judging a game population is a pretty tricky thing, even if the company publishes the numbers. |
| 17:42.22 | IskatuMesk | at least that's what battle.net was saying |
| 17:42.28 | IskatuMesk | not sure how accurate it is |
| 17:42.45 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:42.49 | IskatuMesk | you have sales and then averages |
| 17:42.56 | Arcane|Work | Well that's the thing, most people seem to assume any number is either anecdotal (if not from the company), or a lie (if from the company) |
| 17:43.48 | IskatuMesk | I personally don't know anyone who touched d3 a month after release, but I know a lot of people were playing it solely to try to get money from the AH |
| 17:44.19 | IskatuMesk | which was, even a few months after release, supposedly somewhat reliable |
| 17:44.28 | Arcane|Work | One thing that is not really a great thing in game development is the game designers are largely losing their job to their customers, where they are merely a figurehead. At the current rate, I'm waiting for a game developer to say "Fuck it, you want the game you want? Post on the forums, coders will implement it, I'm done" |
| 17:44.47 | IskatuMesk | well, customers are the system |
| 17:45.02 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, and customers frankly don't have a damm clue what they want most of the time... |
| 17:45.05 | IskatuMesk | companies depend on pleasing customers to survive |
| 17:45.13 | IskatuMesk | most of the time that comes down to psychology |
| 17:45.19 | IskatuMesk | which is why marketing outscales development staff |
| 17:45.24 | IskatuMesk | and costs are most often invested into marketing |
| 17:45.36 | IskatuMesk | that initial sale will always be more valuable than the customer's opinion |
| 17:45.43 | IskatuMesk | save things like MMO's |
| 17:45.48 | Arcane|Work | lol, that explains why the most successful companies either rely on 1) Cult following or 2) Being a position where the customer has no choice |
| 17:45.55 | IskatuMesk | but a lot of those still try to do things that way and just end up dying immediately |
| 17:45.57 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:46.04 | IskatuMesk | it's kind of shitty |
| 17:46.13 | Arcane|Work | Trying to pander to customers seems like the fastest way to kill your company |
| 17:46.14 | IskatuMesk | everyone wants dat wow crowd or dat cod crowd |
| 17:46.26 | IskatuMesk | it certainly can be |
| 17:46.29 | Arcane|Work | You either want blind worship or an iron grip |
| 17:46.33 | IskatuMesk | especially since most people these days are hipsters |
| 17:46.35 | IskatuMesk | and are really flighty |
| 17:46.39 | Arcane|Work | Yeah |
| 17:46.50 | IskatuMesk | that's why systems like league work so well |
| 17:47.02 | Arcane|Work | Like, look at most financial firms. They are successful, because they are in a position of "Heads I win, Tail you lose" |
| 17:47.34 | IskatuMesk | mmos and F2p games are all about psychology |
| 17:47.47 | Arcane|Work | In terms of games, see Steam, Valve has yet to make a game in 7 years, they are better off being the middleman and gate keeper. |
| 17:47.55 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:47.58 | IskatuMesk | valve is in a really good spot |
| 17:48.08 | IskatuMesk | look at those steam cards |
| 17:48.13 | Arcane|Work | Yep, better to be a parasite then actualyl build anything |
| 17:48.15 | IskatuMesk | you got people paying huge sums of money to swap teams |
| 17:48.20 | IskatuMesk | valve made an utter killing off of that event |
| 17:48.32 | IskatuMesk | for practically nothing |
| 17:48.39 | Arcane|Work | Yep, basically they make money off people being vain/stupid/greedy. |
| 17:48.46 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 17:48.47 | Arcane|Work | Hilarious really |
| 17:49.00 | IskatuMesk | it's fascinating and wholly depressing at the same time |
| 17:49.16 | Arcane|Work | Which is sad, it means making a game or working really. is for suckers, being a con artist in various forms is better. |
| 17:49.36 | IskatuMesk | #1 reason why I refuse to work for a company or have anything to do with the games industry and will continue to turn down any offer a company throws at me |
| 17:49.58 | IskatuMesk | industry is disgusting to my eyes |
| 17:50.54 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, I pretty much of the mind to not work in games industry because A) The "customers" are beyond abusive and B) Unstable employement and C) Abusive managers usually or D) Your stability and success are based on how overpowered your company is. |
| 17:50.56 | IskatuMesk | I mean that choice will likely mean I end up on the street but I guess that's the price of personal dignity |
| 17:51.20 | EntityEnigma | wow |
| 17:51.26 | EntityEnigma | thats a ton of info |
| 17:51.41 | EntityEnigma | longest answer i never expected |
| 17:51.46 | IskatuMesk | hahaha |
| 17:51.58 | IskatuMesk | most of it unrelated and probably not very helpful |
| 17:52.04 | Arcane|Work | Well, it really is only the game industry that is that insane with programming, which is why most programmers end up either in start ups (something fun) or corporate programming (boring but stable) |
| 17:52.20 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:52.27 | IskatuMesk | I am thinking of trying independent writing |
| 17:52.34 | Arcane|Work | Like, working for someone like ATT or DirectV or Google is fine, since they are not going anywhere and they always have stuff to do. |
| 17:52.40 | IskatuMesk | but I need my living situation to be able and anxiety to be under control to write |
| 17:53.19 | IskatuMesk | nothing big, just applying to a niche. considering writing a self-biography about a lot of things, including modding |
| 17:54.00 | IskatuMesk | might apply to like, team liquid |
| 17:54.25 | Arcane|Work | Yeah well, writing is kind of like the games industry, unstable. Frankly the games industry shouldn't exist, entertainment has NEVER been a relibile job in all of history, normally it was liveable only by the whims of the mob or the patronage of the wealthy. |
| 17:54.26 | IskatuMesk | I could probably get into a company with some work and the connections I've got |
| 17:54.37 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:54.40 | IskatuMesk | well |
| 17:54.48 | IskatuMesk | independent writing is a bit less of an investment |
| 17:54.51 | IskatuMesk | if it doesn't work it doesn't work |
| 17:55.02 | IskatuMesk | I don't have to go anywhere or really do anything |
| 17:55.08 | Arcane|Work | True, easier now a days, costs are FAR less |
| 17:55.24 | Arcane|Work | Getting published and what not takes far less effort then in the past |
| 17:55.29 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 17:55.40 | IskatuMesk | I asked about publishing some years back and was told it was minimum 3-4 grand just to attempt it |
| 17:55.42 | IskatuMesk | and I was like well shit |
| 17:55.51 | IskatuMesk | and gave up even thinking about it |
| 17:56.25 | IskatuMesk | the worst part about it though is losing some rights to your work |
| 17:56.36 | IskatuMesk | so, I would definitely self-publish |
| 17:56.42 | IskatuMesk | probably ebook only |
| 17:57.01 | IskatuMesk | I could also publish audiobooks |
| 17:57.40 | IskatuMesk | I'm not a programmer, wish I could be. but the most I would do with it is non-profit stuff |
| 17:57.42 | IskatuMesk | much like my modeling |
| 17:57.51 | IskatuMesk | anything super intensive I reserve for my own work |
| 17:58.27 | IskatuMesk | making tools or something seems more reliable than programming for games |
| 17:59.28 | IskatuMesk | or indeed middleware |
| 18:01.57 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, middleware is probably the most relibile thing, most corporate programming is about it, gluing a couple things together to make something for an existing project. |
| 18:02.38 | IskatuMesk | a common complaint I heard about game dev is inhouse tools being total shit. Blizzard repeatedly complained about that in the past. Finding that spot where you can provide tools devs can easily adapt to their environment could be a good place to start |
| 18:03.00 | IskatuMesk | then you have something flexible and expandable |
| 18:04.19 | IskatuMesk | or just focusing on something more broad like engines |
| 18:04.30 | IskatuMesk | valve and source, epic and unreal |
| 18:04.35 | IskatuMesk | the big money for them comes from licenses |
| 18:05.06 | IskatuMesk | so unreal et all gets constant updates to keep that rolling, it seems quite stable |
| 18:08.21 | IskatuMesk | as a programmer you have a few fair options available actually, depending what it is you want to do |
| 18:08.41 | IskatuMesk | if you want to work with tools you could look at audio or graphics tools, like 3ds max or various music/audio production software |
| 18:08.45 | IskatuMesk | you could sell VST plugins |
| 18:09.11 | IskatuMesk | those may be more unstable revenue-wise but might be easier to make |
| 18:09.31 | IskatuMesk | someone I know deals with firmware in western digital or something |
| 18:10.24 | IskatuMesk | but yeah, game production is definitely not what doe-eyed teenagers hope it is |
| 18:10.48 | IskatuMesk | same reason you get like a 90% fallout rate of people trying to make maps or mods and actually getting somewhere |
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| 18:23.49 | Arcane|Work | Mmmhmm. Now for a mapmaking question, JademusSreg if you are present, does a damage effect with the kill flag set still kill even if the damage is 0? |
| 18:32.42 | pirate | (yes) |
| 18:37.00 | Arcane|Work | Ty :D |
| 18:37.45 | pirate | blizzard should give all of the semifinalists some sort of bonus for making us all wait >.< |
| 18:38.10 | IskatuMesk | you will get a single bead of sweat from browder's forehead |
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| 18:38.54 | pirate | I'll take it |
| 18:39.00 | zolden | penis |
| 18:39.08 | IskatuMesk | penis |
| 18:39.27 | zolden | i know( right |
| 18:39.46 | pirate | no |
| 18:39.49 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 18:39.52 | pirate | iskatu prefers butts |
| 18:40.01 | IskatuMesk | butts |
| 18:40.24 | IskatuMesk | I forgot what I was doing |
| 18:40.38 | IskatuMesk | all of this flooding of water and flailing of cats and sweating has made me delirious |
| 18:40.45 | pirate | it happens to the best of us |
| 18:40.59 | IskatuMesk | I should probably port more graphics or something |
| 18:41.08 | zolden | whers twod :/ |
| 18:41.42 | zolden | he'd troll u good, would call u a nigg |
| 18:41.50 | IskatuMesk | nigg |
| 18:42.25 | zolden | i'm in metro, wifi is here, so nice |
| 18:42.36 | zolden | future we live in |
| 18:42.50 | IskatuMesk | !!science!! |
| 18:43.04 | zolden | i used to steal paswords to connect via dialup |
| 18:43.10 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 18:43.14 | IskatuMesk | oh dialup |
| 18:43.18 | zolden | and now this |
| 18:43.21 | IskatuMesk | spending an entire day to download the diablo demo |
| 18:43.28 | zolden | lol |
| 18:44.58 | Dustin | 4 kbps was FLYING |
| 18:45.15 | Arcane|Work | lol |
| 18:45.51 | IskatuMesk | hoarding midi files for my rpg and thinking "man this will be too big to upload anywhere" |
| 18:46.14 | Dustin | Took me 4 weeks to download the Halflife2 leak |
| 18:46.19 | IskatuMesk | rofl |
| 18:46.31 | Dustin | I cant even believe we used to deal with that shit |
| 18:46.33 | Dustin | lol |
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| 18:46.45 | Dustin | Anywho, off to work! |
| 18:47.09 | MoonEater | need artestic help |
| 19:16.34 | pirate | anyone have a reference image of how image types of border/horizontal border are cut? |
| 19:16.38 | pirate | so I can make my own |
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| 19:20.48 | Zolden | ok, i'm home |
| 19:20.56 | Zolden | how's stuff going everybody |
| 19:21.00 | Zolden | who won the competition |
| 19:21.19 | Zolden | wow, this keyboard feels so good after the lame notebook's keyboard |
| 19:21.37 | Zolden | I think modern notebooks' keyboards is direct hitler heritage |
| 19:21.45 | Zolden | were designed for people without fingers |
| 19:21.53 | Zolden | so they forced to use penises to type |
| 19:25.51 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 19:26.09 | IskatuMesk | so the master race is a fleet of sentient penises |
| 19:29.25 | Teratron | hello |
| 19:29.27 | Teratron | guys |
| 19:29.36 | Teratron | how does engine execute scripts |
| 19:29.47 | Teratron | when they have more actions in them |
| 19:29.59 | Teratron | is one first completed then the next ? |
| 19:30.15 | Teratron | i mean, when you have a + sign and there's a lot inside |
| 19:30.44 | Teratron | but then what "wait until it finishes is for" |
| 19:31.05 | Teratron | or that's just for triggers as a whole |
| 19:31.07 | grim001 | zolden you have no idea what a quality keyboard feels like until you've tried a topre |
| 19:33.44 | Zolden | grim001 it's my keyboard I'm using atm |
| 19:34.04 | Zolden | at least if the images don't lie |
| 19:34.23 | Zolden | the shape of key gives feedback to how precise the finger taps it |
| 19:34.43 | Zolden | flat notbook keys suck pig shit |
| 19:34.50 | Zolden | liquid pig shit |
| 19:35.50 | Zolden | Teratron there's alot inside waht? |
| 19:36.33 | Teratron | triggers |
| 19:36.51 | Teratron | when you have a lot of actions inside one action |
| 19:37.10 | Teratron | does it always finish that one tree before it goes to the next one ? |
| 19:37.30 | Teratron | or should i say |
| 19:37.48 | Teratron | does it wait for it to finish calculation of all actions before it starts another |
| 19:38.43 | IskatuMesk | hmmm. I don't really have a lot of models I can rip that I can turn into zerg units. zerg heavy units are going to be tough |
| 19:39.13 | pirate | teratron, you ask a lot of questions that can be answered by searching the forums |
| 19:39.59 | Zolden | Teratron they get performed one by one, if you not sure, check code |
| 19:44.20 | Teratron | ok ok |
| 19:44.25 | Teratron | one more serious thing |
| 19:44.40 | Teratron | i didn't do a lot with advanced coding |
| 19:45.01 | Teratron | so i have to compare a lot of variables without using a thousand if statements |
| 19:45.12 | Teratron | but i never done is so i would appreciate a boost |
| 19:45.25 | Teratron | basically the variables are all basic integers |
| 19:45.39 | pirate | what is it that you are ultimately trying to accomplish |
| 19:45.44 | pirate | please be specific |
| 19:45.48 | Teratron | but the thing needs to compare in real-time, like every 2 seconds is fine |
| 19:46.01 | Teratron | e ... |
| 19:46.20 | Teratron | the variables contain number of units in a region |
| 19:46.30 | Teratron | the code needs to calculate .. |
| 19:46.54 | Teratron | which is the least number |
| 19:46.55 | Teratron | the lower |
| 19:47.01 | Teratron | but not only one, but three |
| 19:47.17 | pirate | let me rephrase that |
| 19:47.37 | Teratron | so the output is, 3 new variables that show the 3 lowest number |
| 19:48.10 | pirate | what is the intended outcome (ex, I want to compare which team has the most units in a region to decide who 'captures' that area) |
| 19:48.13 | Teratron | if all the 10 are the same it would output just a standard "N/A" |
| 19:48.25 | Teratron | no |
| 19:48.26 | Teratron | just |
| 19:48.38 | Teratron | well these numbers belong to a player |
| 19:48.44 | pirate | please stop |
| 19:48.53 | Zolden | OBAMA WATCHES U |
| 19:48.55 | Teratron | so i would like the player be accompanied |
| 19:49.15 | Teratron | the code has to display the 3 lowest variables |
| 19:49.32 | Teratron | but it will be changing, so it has to change the player it belongs to too |
| 19:49.34 | pirate | withdraws aid until he understands what's trying to be accomplished |
| 19:50.12 | Teratron | then stop guessing and listen ffs |
| 19:51.22 | Teratron | you've go 10 regions and 10 player and 10 motherfucking variables that count the enemy units in a player-specific area (the 10 regions) |
| 19:51.52 | Teratron | but i don't need all 10 on the screen |
| 19:51.57 | pirate | I gave an example in terms that were easy to understand. It's easier to help someone when you know exactly what their intended design is, opposed to listing off psuedo-code vagueries |
| 19:52.47 | Teratron | i told it in the statement, that's all, but i'll expand it |
| 19:53.04 | Teratron | why i need the code is because i need only 3 to be output |
| 19:53.26 | Teratron | those variables already have a count established that was simple |
| 19:53.30 | pirate | 3 out of 10 what? Unit group counts? |
| 19:53.31 | Teratron | the ints are already there |
| 19:53.46 | Teratron | nope just 3 variables |
| 19:53.57 | Teratron | and each one belongs to a player |
| 19:54.03 | Teratron | but it's not the count of player's units |
| 19:54.08 | Teratron | it's a count of enemy units |
| 19:54.29 | pirate | (that sounds like a unit group count) |
| 19:54.35 | Teratron | i need to calculate the lowest int |
| 19:55.00 | Teratron | so the code outputs the 3 of them, along with 3 additional variables for the specific-player |
| 19:55.22 | Teratron | because one of those variables (unit count) belongs to a player-specific region |
| 19:56.20 | Teratron | the output would be 1. Slasher: 85 Units Remaining 2. Hexagon: 129 units remaining 3. Ganondorf: 150 units remaining |
| 19:56.33 | Teratron | but i'll change that into percentages that can be done ontop later |
| 19:56.51 | Teratron | because the max number is predefined so it's known |
| 19:56.53 | pirate | what I'm hearing is you just need a method of sorting integers (specifically to calculate the lowest 3 out of a group of 10) |
| 19:57.00 | Teratron | YES! |
| 19:57.17 | Teratron | but it'll be changing quick |
| 19:57.22 | pirate | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/bubble-sort/ |
| 19:57.23 | Teratron | so it has to sort in real time |
| 19:57.31 | Teratron | 2 seconds is fine |
| 19:57.35 | pirate | do you see how we could have arrived here much sooner |
| 19:57.43 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:57.49 | Teratron | well i didn't know it was called sorting |
| 19:57.59 | Teratron | jademussreg |
| 19:58.04 | Teratron | 403 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:58.14 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 19:58.41 | Teratron | will the gods show mercy |
| 19:58.52 | Goa__ | https://www.google.hu/search?q=proxy |
| 19:58.52 | Zolden | it was called farting |
| 19:59.01 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Zol. |
| 19:59.38 | pirate | had you said, "I need a way to find the lowest 3 integers out of a list of 10 so I can display some player stats" |
| 20:01.17 | A1win | no need to sort the list to find the lowest 3 |
| 20:01.32 | pirate | ^^ |
| 20:01.49 | JademusSreg | Yar, that's just a poll. |
| 20:02.21 | A1win | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_algorithm |
| 20:02.46 | JademusSreg | And who doesn't love a good poll? |
| 20:03.19 | Teratron | ehm |
| 20:03.34 | Teratron | pirate ... is it worthwhile to try to implement this in UI |
| 20:03.39 | JademusSreg | A sufficiently rigorous poll is enough to make one dance. |
| 20:06.21 | IskatuMesk | polls are for nerds |
| 20:07.21 | Merc | gave my gf the electric razor |
| 20:07.23 | Teratron | pirate i've never worked with custom scripts |
| 20:07.23 | JademusSreg | Statistician nerds. |
| 20:07.30 | JademusSreg | And stripper nerds. |
| 20:07.32 | Merc | I am now robert de niro in Taxi Driver |
| 20:07.51 | Teratron | or anyone else who know this copy pasting code ... |
| 20:08.20 | A1win | you don't even need that script |
| 20:10.20 | Arcane|Work | Backish |
| 20:10.25 | Arcane|Work | Hi JademusSreg |
| 20:10.37 | JademusSreg | Hallo Arc. |
| 20:17.07 | pirate | what do we think of the Turn Bar: http://i.imgur.com/GNSnL6u.jpg |
| 20:17.56 | Arcane|Work | Green bar? |
| 20:17.56 | A1win | too out of place |
| 20:17.59 | pirate | top bar |
| 20:18.06 | pirate | green is life |
| 20:18.13 | A1win | oh |
| 20:18.17 | A1win | there's a bar at top? |
| 20:18.41 | pirate | it's got a line and then a block labeled 'Breach()' |
| 20:18.48 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, the Breach image is the slider image (I'm assuming the top image is a slider) |
| 20:19.25 | pirate | it's an order queue |
| 20:19.51 | pirate | I need to put an icon on the middle of the line |
| 20:19.57 | JademusSreg | Like in Transistor when the actons are queued up, yeah |
| 20:20.01 | pirate | yeah |
| 20:20.16 | pirate | <king copycat |
| 20:20.25 | Arcane|Work | I misspoke, I assume you used a slider UI element to show it, and simply changed its value, while making it non selectable. |
| 20:20.46 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: you're still using flattened cube tiles instead of actually flat plane models, haha. |
| 20:21.05 | JademusSreg | But since it's a test map, doesn't matter. |
| 20:21.13 | pirate | its going to be a number of lines and boxes that shuffle around alignment and length |
| 20:21.19 | pirate | (all images) |
| 20:22.09 | Arcane|Work | If not already, you may want to make the top thing into a slider, since altering the image position will become trivial (just set the value of the slider itself, and hookinto the image frame to alter the text) |
| 20:22.09 | pirate | (I'm too lazy to unpack planes-- especially when there's time stopping abilities to implement!) |
| 20:23.02 | pirate | hmmm |
| 20:24.25 | Arcane|Work | Just a thought. Sliders can have a set max and min and step val. You can then specify a color for both fills (complete and not complete) as well as a border image. |
| 20:24.50 | Arcane|Work | Then you specify an image for the slider to slide on (your breach thing in this case) |
| 20:24.52 | pirate | ooh |
| 20:25.28 | Arcane|Work | Also for free, you can set a sound to play on value change, which would let you default a sound to play when each part of the turn is completed |
| 20:25.59 | pirate | sliders sound nifty |
| 20:26.13 | Arcane|Work | And I was somewhat mistaken, you set the button that is used for the sliding, which ofcourse you can then set its images. |
| 20:26.50 | Arcane|Work | Yes, just look at game settings -> Game speed or any other slider in the game options, they are all examples. |
| 20:28.10 | Arcane|Work | Here is the UI XML definition found in JademusSreg UI Element paste: https://pastee.org/bxuvr |
| 20:29.00 | Arcane|Work | I'm assuming you would place your line image for your fill image and set autosizefillbar to true so it will stretch accordingly |
| 20:29.07 | pirate | most importantly, it has sent me in the direction of the visually appealing slider textures |
| 20:29.23 | Arcane|Work | That too :D |
| 20:29.45 | Arcane|Work | Would just need to hook up the slider and then the image within the button within the slider to change text values as needed. |
| 20:30.15 | pirate | well, there's going to be a number of lines and boxes though |
| 20:30.44 | Arcane|Work | *Shrug* in which case hook up the images in both the slider and within the button of the slider and change accordingly |
| 20:30.48 | pirate | in theory endless, in practice 12 of each because you wont be able to fit more than 12 active commands into a turn |
| 20:31.27 | Arcane|Work | And adding more states would be as simple as changing the max of the slider, which would then rescale the slider approiately |
| 20:31.33 | pirate | right |
| 20:32.06 | Arcane|Work | It was just a thought :D |
| 20:32.44 | pirate | yeah, I'm thinking 12 sliders is better than 12 boxes and 12 lines |
| 20:32.57 | pirate | set each slider aligned left to the previous |
| 20:33.09 | pirate | set box to max value |
| 20:33.58 | Arcane|Work | Why 12 sliders? |
| 20:34.03 | Arcane|Work | 1 per player? |
| 20:34.05 | pirate | nah |
| 20:34.15 | pirate | there can be up to 12 boxes |
| 20:34.31 | pirate | the boxes vary in length (dependent on ability cost) |
| 20:34.58 | pirate | and there may or may not be lines of varying length between each box (representing movement cost before/after issuing ability command) |
| 20:34.59 | Arcane|Work | Keep 1 slider, hookup button, adjust button size as needed? |
| 20:35.37 | Arcane|Work | Or just change max value of slider on the fly, so button gets readjusted anyhow? |
| 20:36.35 | pirate | ex: http://savegameonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/transistor-turn-combat.jpg |
| 20:37.17 | Arcane|Work | Ahh, I misinterpreted the intent, I thought it was reflecting your current progress in a turn, not the actual planning of a turn |
| 20:37.19 | Teratron | pirate i've never done anything in custom scripts how do i modify it now to suit my needs ? |
| 20:37.49 | pirate | sorry, its by no means immediately obvious |
| 20:38.02 | Arcane|Work | In which case... hmm |
| 20:38.54 | pirate | @Teratron if you can try to make sense of the script, understand the logic, recreate in GUi |
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| 20:39.18 | Teratron | no idea sorry |
| 20:39.36 | Teratron | i set the number of items to 10 that i understand |
| 20:39.44 | Teratron | what Data 101 is i have no idea |
| 20:40.05 | Teratron | and it looks like it's predefined to look for the biggest number i need opposite |
| 20:41.13 | Arcane|Work | pirate: In which case, I would say you are probably stuck with bruteforce of images, since you basically have a container, nad placing variable sized images within. |
| 20:42.37 | pirate | eh, pirate is used to brute forcing |
| 20:43.43 | pirate | @Teratron the truth of the matter is that you'll need to understand some computing logic |
| 20:44.16 | pirate | @Arcane pirate would be happier with bruteforcing if he could get custom layout templates to work... |
| 20:45.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:46.11 | pirate | jade why do templates forsake me? |
| 20:46.27 | JademusSreg | They don't, merely user error. |
| 20:46.41 | JademusSreg | What specifically is the issue? |
| 20:46.54 | Teratron | hey ahli |
| 20:46.56 | Teratron | one little thing |
| 20:47.00 | pirate | cannot find Desc: [WhateverTemplateName] |
| 20:47.07 | Teratron | the tons of IF ELSE IF you seen yesterday |
| 20:47.28 | JademusSreg | "WhateverTemplateLayout/WhateverTemplateName" |
| 20:48.09 | pirate | thats what I write in script |
| 20:48.15 | pirate | lemme try again and send you pastes |
| 20:48.42 | pirate | @Teratron I vote you attempt to make your own bubble sort in GUI. Here's some homework: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_sort |
| 20:49.22 | JademusSreg | One of the important distinctions when working with UI is that between Desc, frame, and instance. |
| 20:49.32 | pirate | instance? |
| 20:49.44 | JademusSreg | Run-time instances. |
| 20:49.49 | pirate | ah ah |
| 20:49.52 | pirate | per player as such |
| 20:50.45 | JademusSreg | Desc concerns how the files define frames, frames concern how the data structures are interpreted to inform instances, instances are produced at runtime. |
| 20:52.29 | JademusSreg | From UI xml shit, there wasn't any wya whatsoever to refer to an instance before Handle; nearly every element that refers to something in the layout is either Desc structure or a frame path value. |
| 20:53.01 | Teratron | yeah thanks |
| 20:53.37 | Teratron | im almost done finishing this map, and I don't think i would be going to take any week long classes |
| 20:53.53 | JademusSreg | Thr template attribute requires a Desc value, that is where a frame is defined within what layout. |
| 20:54.32 | JademusSreg | Wheras the name attribute takes a frame path. |
| 20:54.46 | Teratron | i don't really thing i need to do anything else except switch it so it looks for the lowest number |
| 20:54.59 | Teratron | can you please tell me where in the code that is ? |
| 20:55.15 | Teratron | and how do i even pull the data out of the script |
| 20:55.21 | pirate | I don't know, I didn't write it |
| 20:55.32 | JademusSreg | That is the relative declaration of a frame within the frame heirarchy. |
| 20:56.46 | pirate | @Teratron don't be overdramatic, it's a single wikipedia page. Sorting algorithms are not rocket science, but also not legos. No one is going to assemble them for you |
| 20:57.09 | Teratron | well then it's pretty much useless, but I already defy the system by already having my own if-else system for finishing, i can simply copy it over for this feature so, be sure i'll end up doing it and doing it my way! :P |
| 20:57.28 | pirate | anyway |
| 20:58.05 | Teratron | im not really doing this for any kind of practicing ... |
| 20:58.08 | Teratron | by the way |
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| 21:00.22 | pirate | @jade https://pastee.org/nc3yr |
| 21:00.45 | MoonEater916 | anyone know how to make a unit spin? |
| 21:01.32 | JademusSreg | Moon, an excessive number of orders, a custom mover, a turret, a host site rotator actor. |
| 21:02.30 | MoonEater916 | host site rotator actor it is! |
| 21:02.38 | pirate | errors: Failed to locate specified File Desc [ResistorTemplate] // Could not find template [ResistorTemplate/TurnBlock] for Frame Desc [TurnBlock01] |
| 21:03.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, could simply be an ordering problem. |
| 21:03.59 | pirate | that would be hilarious |
| 21:04.07 | JademusSreg | Peek at DescIndex.SC2Layout. |
| 21:04.35 | JademusSreg | When the UI editor module first appeared, it had a tendency to not properly sort new entries to the DescIndex. |
| 21:04.36 | Arcane|Work | *Facepalm* I should have remembered that. That is almost certainly the problem. |
| 21:04.46 | JademusSreg | HHA |
| 21:04.47 | Arcane|Work | Yeah, it still does |
| 21:04.48 | pirate | ah |
| 21:04.49 | pirate | yes |
| 21:04.52 | pirate | its at the bottom |
| 21:05.11 | IskatuMesk | jademussreg why doesn't text glow work |
| 21:05.18 | pirate | last time I messed with such files it borked everything o.O |
| 21:05.51 | Arcane|Work | IskatuMesk: TextGlow should work, but as part of an actor. Use a Text actor. |
| 21:05.59 | IskatuMesk | oh |
| 21:06.01 | IskatuMesk | so not as a unit name |
| 21:06.22 | Arcane|Work | Correct, actors have messages to start/stop glow |
| 21:06.23 | MoonEater916 | jade |
| 21:06.33 | Teratron | is there a limit how many IFs could be in the scripts ? |
| 21:06.35 | pirate | (speaking of, can you dynamically set the text of a text actor) |
| 21:06.51 | MoonEater916 | can a site actor spin forever? |
| 21:06.55 | Arcane|Work | pirate: Yes, there should be an actor message to set text |
| 21:06.58 | Arcane|Work | Let me double check |
| 21:07.04 | pirate | waaaaaat |
| 21:07.11 | JademusSreg | With the correct events, yes. |
| 21:07.14 | pirate | clearly it can be done > heroes damage text |
| 21:07.23 | MoonEater916 | so i would have to make a special site actor |
| 21:07.31 | MoonEater916 | that rotates |
| 21:07.38 | MoonEater916 | using events in the site actor |
| 21:07.40 | Arcane|Work | Yes, there is 2 actor messages, Set Text and Set Text (Localized) |
| 21:07.41 | MoonEater916 | hm... |
| 21:07.55 | JademusSreg | Well, text actors have a field for the text, and events to manage the data source thingy. |
| 21:07.57 | pirate | how did I not know this |
| 21:08.12 | JademusSreg | So there are a number of possible routes. |
| 21:08.43 | JademusSreg | Isk refers to text glow in styles. |
| 21:08.56 | Zolden | glow job |
| 21:08.56 | pirate | http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Neil-Patrick-Harris-Gun-to-Head.gif |
| 21:09.21 | JademusSreg | The display for the text must support it, at minimum. |
| 21:09.24 | IskatuMesk | text styles seem insanely buggy |
| 21:09.27 | IskatuMesk | in the editor |
| 21:09.35 | IskatuMesk | like they constantly reset values I change |
| 21:09.38 | JademusSreg | Grrr, brb, shit demands my attention. |
| 21:09.41 | Arcane|Work | Yes, the glow color is set in the style, and then the glow state is activated by actors. |
| 21:09.46 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 21:10.20 | Arcane|Work | pirate: Set Text simply changes the text literally, set Text Localized will use the normal text interface, with text key and styles. |
| 21:10.42 | Arcane|Work | You can also set size and color in actor as well |
| 21:10.46 | pirate | and you can use data references with set text, yeah |
| 21:11.16 | pirate | has a number of layout files to optimize with templates |
| 21:11.38 | Arcane|Work | Only with Set Text Localized, not with Set Text |
| 21:11.45 | pirate | interesting |
| 21:11.55 | Arcane|Work | Set Text is for literaly hard values |
| 21:11.58 | Arcane|Work | literal* |
| 21:11.59 | pirate | this is immensely useful |
| 21:12.40 | Zolden | hmm, someone else, not jade used a word i needed to check in dictionary a translation of |
| 21:13.07 | Zolden | good job, pirate, looks like you recently attacked a ship that was carrying a cargo of rare words |
| 21:13.19 | pirate | "immensely"? |
| 21:13.23 | IskatuMesk | hard values... heheh |
| 21:13.34 | pirate | I taught ahli the world "affirmative" the other month |
| 21:13.54 | pirate | was it ahli? |
| 21:14.21 | Teratron | a1win you here ? |
| 21:14.56 | Zolden | he's obama agent, be care |
| 21:15.22 | Zolden | anyone would know "affirmative" who ever played dune 2 |
| 21:15.52 | Teratron | it's the pie! http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/30/Obama-Jokes-White-House-Pastry-Chef-Puts-Crack-In-His-Pies |
| 21:15.59 | Teratron | anyways |
| 21:16.07 | Teratron | anyone who knows custom scripts ? |
| 21:16.17 | Teratron | non-UI galaxy |
| 21:17.01 | Teratron | nede the bubble sort to be modified for what i need unless it's useless to me :( |
| 21:17.12 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 21:17.38 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/VEU1dis.gif |
| 21:17.52 | IskatuMesk | you gots a progress bar |
| 21:17.55 | pirate | so goddamned pleased with myself |
| 21:17.56 | IskatuMesk | progress in amerika |
| 21:17.58 | IskatuMesk | amerika, fuk ya |
| 21:18.17 | pirate | (technically its a command queue, but its some hours away from true functionality) |
| 21:18.21 | IskatuMesk | how you maek gif |
| 21:18.24 | Bounty | peow |
| 21:18.54 | pirate | gifcam |
| 21:18.55 | IskatuMesk | I will assume you didn't crop frames from raw fraps footage |
| 21:19.06 | pirate | gifcam is love |
| 21:19.09 | JademusSreg | (Set Text should support markup, which means it should suppoer <d> data references.) |
| 21:19.38 | IskatuMesk | not that I have anything interesting to gif yet |
| 21:19.50 | IskatuMesk | maybe the AI picking up units and dropping them ad infinitum |
| 21:19.51 | Teratron | merc you here ? |
| 21:20.00 | pirate | it works like Snipping Tool, except it records, edits, and optimizes gifs |
| 21:20.49 | pirate | thanks much arcane, its already looking so much shinier with slider textures |
| 21:21.31 | JademusSreg | (Mesk: http://blog.bahraniapps.com/gifcam/ ) |
| 21:22.07 | IskatuMesk | yeah just found it |
| 21:22.11 | Bounty | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=14000BH |
| 21:22.12 | IskatuMesk | let'see.. |
| 21:23.57 | MoonEater916 | well thats off |
| 21:23.59 | MoonEater916 | odd |
| 21:24.05 | MoonEater916 | testure is all weird looking |
| 21:24.07 | MoonEater916 | texture* |
| 21:25.09 | pirate | looks like a job for jade |
| 21:25.29 | JademusSreg | looks around inconspicuously. |
| 21:25.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:26.40 | pirate | or maybe jade just got fired? |
| 21:26.55 | JademusSreg | Haha, nope. |
| 21:26.56 | IskatuMesk | yes... the low fps totally butchers particles |
| 21:27.01 | MoonEater916 | I got laid off |
| 21:27.02 | MoonEater916 | :( |
| 21:27.06 | MoonEater916 | couple weeks ago |
| 21:27.11 | MoonEater916 | got a interview today |
| 21:27.15 | MoonEater916 | wish meh luck |
| 21:27.37 | Teratron | mooneater916 do you know custom scripts ? |
| 21:27.53 | pirate | GOOD LUCK |
| 21:27.56 | MoonEater916 | alittle but no, im not teaching. ull get that from most people u ask |
| 21:28.04 | MoonEater916 | plus u need to use gui |
| 21:28.11 | MoonEater916 | u dont have a programming background |
| 21:28.18 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/KukCk1y.gif |
| 21:28.42 | IskatuMesk | the particles look significantly better when it doesn't drop the fps to 19 |
| 21:28.46 | JademusSreg | Pchooo |
| 21:28.49 | IskatuMesk | seems to be some kind of autocull |
| 21:29.12 | MoonEater916 | pirate, its funny its a position at a testing lab testing various products for quality control and stuff |
| 21:30.05 | MoonEater916 | how if only i can get this spell circle to work |
| 21:30.21 | MoonEater916 | its being all funky |
| 21:31.25 | MoonEater916 | JAde |
| 21:31.27 | MoonEater916 | u there? |
| 21:31.39 | MoonEater916 | got a more direct than normal question for u |
| 21:31.46 | MoonEater916 | should be up ur alley |
| 21:32.13 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 21:33.58 | MoonEater916 | So, normaly textures are very good with quality showing high details. i have a new texture. this one isnt a sprite, its a spell circle, higher resolution and this one has transparency. in the game, it show up but only the most brightest part as if all the transparacy effects were wiped away. the question is does starcraft have an issue with transparacy in textures? |
| 21:34.22 | IskatuMesk | materials have a transparency ratio value |
| 21:34.28 | IskatuMesk | that may need to be modified |
| 21:34.31 | IskatuMesk | if you are using an alpha mask |
| 21:34.54 | JademusSreg | Did you have a separate alpha channel or did you save with interpolated alpha from the brightness of the color channels. |
| 21:34.55 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:35.19 | JademusSreg | Or from the transparency. |
| 21:35.32 | MoonEater916 | the original png |
| 21:35.36 | MoonEater916 | had an alpha channel |
| 21:35.40 | MoonEater916 | buts its DDS |
| 21:35.41 | MoonEater916 | now |
| 21:36.15 | MoonEater916 | it does show up good in preview |
| 21:36.24 | MoonEater916 | looks to be all there |
| 21:36.43 | JademusSreg | And how is it being displayed? |
| 21:36.48 | JademusSreg | In-game. |
| 21:37.10 | MoonEater916 | 1 sec |
| 21:37.12 | MoonEater916 | let me screen shot |
| 21:38.20 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/snie4s5w6ab2fob/spell%20bug.png |
| 21:38.54 | MoonEater916 | Original https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6zogbx8veju19l/Spell%20Circle.png |
| 21:39.22 | MoonEater916 | oh the original is white with transparacy |
| 21:39.23 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 21:39.26 | MoonEater916 | impossible to see |
| 21:39.50 | JademusSreg | And how you displaying it? |
| 21:40.03 | MoonEater916 | flat plane texture |
| 21:40.31 | JademusSreg | Custom model asset or texture swap? |
| 21:40.46 | MoonEater916 | custom model with texture swap |
| 21:41.02 | MoonEater916 | my legend of zelda link works just fine with transparacy |
| 21:41.05 | JademusSreg | And how did you save to dds? |
| 21:41.17 | MoonEater916 | although different model (casts shadows) |
| 21:41.40 | MoonEater916 | Arota using the following |
| 21:41.44 | MoonEater916 | Generate mipmaps |
| 21:41.47 | MoonEater916 | image repeats |
| 21:41.52 | MoonEater916 | filter: triangle |
| 21:41.56 | JademusSreg | 1) Wtf is Arota? 2) -Don |
| 21:42.03 | MoonEater916 | mipmap halo removal |
| 21:42.07 | JademusSreg | -Don't- generate mipmaps. |
| 21:42.08 | MoonEater916 | fast halo removal |
| 21:42.13 | MoonEater916 | reconstruct edge colors |
| 21:42.20 | MoonEater916 | i did not use texture compressions |
| 21:42.43 | MoonEater916 | aorta is the one on mapsters that seemed pretty popular |
| 21:42.47 | MoonEater916 | i like it |
| 21:42.54 | JademusSreg | Don't generate mipmaps. |
| 21:43.13 | MoonEater916 | alright |
| 21:43.17 | MoonEater916 | ill reconvert and try again |
| 21:43.21 | JademusSreg | And I've never heard of the app, so I can't say anything about it. |
| 21:43.36 | JademusSreg | I know GIMP and Photoshop work just fine. |
| 21:44.01 | MoonEater916 | u need plugin for gimp and i choose aorta because of batch conversion |
| 21:44.03 | JademusSreg | GIMP does whatever it does, it's what people use when they don't have Photoshop+Nvidia dds plugin. |
| 21:44.09 | MoonEater916 | i have couple hundred textures |
| 21:45.20 | MoonEater916 | so i replaced it |
| 21:45.26 | MoonEater916 | now im going to test again |
| 21:46.08 | MoonEater916 | JAde, exactly the same |
| 21:46.11 | MoonEater916 | :( |
| 21:48.16 | JademusSreg | It's getting clipped, and it lacks gradient transparency, which is to say it's terribly aliased, I don't know any technical properties about the image, or its format. Ideally it would be saving to DXT5 8bit rgba, but again, Aorta is a black box to me. |
| 21:48.50 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5yua21gfmuzgy5/spell%20bug2.png |
| 21:48.55 | MoonEater916 | this may help |
| 21:49.03 | MoonEater916 | they are both the same model |
| 21:49.21 | MoonEater916 | however the texture and actor size are the difference |
| 21:49.34 | JademusSreg | Nope, nothing helpful about that, just isn't getting clipped now, haha. |
| 21:49.58 | JademusSreg | Send me the source file, I'll run it through photoshop when I get some time. |
| 21:50.12 | MoonEater916 | gimp |
| 21:50.15 | MoonEater916 | but ya |
| 21:50.49 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ksuynad0gcuaxb/Spell%20Circle.xcf |
| 21:51.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Teratron (563a22a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.58.34.166) |
| 21:51.23 | JademusSreg | Bzzt, try again, I don't use gimp. |
| 21:51.46 | Teratron | maybe you jademussreg can help, you know the non-ui scritps right |
| 21:51.57 | Teratron | shouldn't be hard at all |
| 21:52.00 | Teratron | and fast |
| 21:52.45 | Teratron | pretty please |
| 21:52.59 | MoonEater916 | JademusSreg, what would u suggest, i dont know of any photoshop converters |
| 21:53.13 | Teratron | like the last feature in this game so i can call it 1.0 |
| 21:53.15 | JademusSreg | png is fine. |
| 21:53.28 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6zogbx8veju19l/Spell%20Circle.png |
| 21:53.40 | MoonEater916 | Teratron, u want someone to help you with bubblesort |
| 21:53.47 | Teratron | indeed |
| 21:54.06 | MoonEater916 | in here, i seriously doubt it |
| 21:54.21 | MoonEater916 | ur best bet is to google and youtube ur way |
| 21:54.22 | Teratron | i know jademus knows those scripts |
| 21:54.29 | MoonEater916 | we all do |
| 21:54.38 | JademusSreg | brb in 10 |
| 21:54.57 | IskatuMesk | coffee |
| 21:54.59 | IskatuMesk | also buttsort |
| 21:56.12 | pirate | heheh |
| 21:56.16 | MoonEater916 | radix sort |
| 21:56.17 | MoonEater916 | <3 |
| 21:56.40 | MoonEater916 | sucks that it only works on integers and reals |
| 21:56.43 | MoonEater916 | no strings :( |
| 21:57.07 | IskatuMesk | I really need to make a master missile particle effect |
| 21:57.14 | IskatuMesk | the missile trails in sc2 are... bad |
| 21:57.19 | MoonEater916 | i need to get this spell circle to work |
| 21:57.21 | IskatuMesk | maybe that is what I shall do today |
| 22:02.15 | Ahli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLec58Z1Q3k meet your new overlord |
| 22:02.38 | Teratron | oh hey ahli |
| 22:02.48 | Teratron | do you have a sec about something i mentioned yesterday ? |
| 22:03.08 | Teratron | when you took a look into one folder that hand a bunch of IFS and ELSEs |
| 22:03.09 | MoonEater916 | hey Ahli did u notice theres a flag in models flags called teen safe |
| 22:03.11 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 22:03.48 | Teratron | and now i have found some script called bubble sort however is not configures correctly for what i need |
| 22:03.53 | Ahli | MoonEater916: yes, I've noticed it... it's there as sc2 in korea needs to have a teen modus version I think |
| 22:04.08 | MoonEater916 | modus? |
| 22:04.19 | MoonEater916 | modus is.... |
| 22:04.20 | MoonEater916 | what |
| 22:04.21 | Teratron | and |
| 22:04.24 | Ahli | you can enable/disable that in options |
| 22:04.27 | Teratron | i can't find the link anymore hmm |
| 22:04.30 | Ahli | blood is black, no gore, etc |
| 22:04.42 | MoonEater916 | ah makes the rating system happy |
| 22:05.00 | Teratron | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/bubble-sort/ |
| 22:05.03 | Teratron | here |
| 22:05.08 | Teratron | i know i set items to 10 |
| 22:05.17 | Teratron | but i don't know how to pull sutff out with UI |
| 22:05.29 | MoonEater916 | Ahli do u know anything about textures swaps and alpha channels? |
| 22:05.31 | Teratron | and how to make it opposite, i think it's outputting the largest now |
| 22:05.36 | MoonEater916 | cause mine has all bugged out |
| 22:05.57 | Ahli | bubblesort in a nutshell: go through an array and compare every element with its successor element. if they are in the wrong order, swap them... if you had to swap during the check, repeat the checks |
| 22:06.17 | Teratron | well i have found a script already done |
| 22:06.20 | Teratron | but it's not UI |
| 22:06.30 | Teratron | so i have no idea how to set it up right |
| 22:06.34 | Ahli | it's easy to create if you understand it |
| 22:06.56 | Teratron | well i never worked with custom scripts |
| 22:07.08 | Ahli | you can create one yourself in GUI easily |
| 22:07.14 | Teratron | how ? |
| 22:07.31 | Ahli | 1. understand what the algorithm is doing, 2. implement |
| 22:07.32 | MoonEater916 | teratron doesnt know much about loops |
| 22:07.33 | Teratron | i don't know any of these terms |
| 22:08.23 | Teratron | i don't know how does a fixed look like in UI |
| 22:08.37 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Spell%20Circle.dds |
| 22:08.57 | MoonEater916 | JademusSreg what did u do? |
| 22:09.05 | Bounty | Ahli wtf |
| 22:09.07 | Bounty | it has no brain? |
| 22:09.36 | JademusSreg | Gave it a proper alpha channel, saved as DXT5. |
| 22:10.18 | MoonEater916 | what do u mean by proper? you can save an alpha channel? |
| 22:10.27 | JademusSreg | Ahli, reminds me of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film) |
| 22:11.02 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 22:11.08 | MoonEater916 | all the glow is gone jade!!!! |
| 22:11.13 | MoonEater916 | lolz! |
| 22:11.32 | JademusSreg | Moon, lrn2emissive |
| 22:13.08 | MoonEater916 | yes... learning but learning from you is like beating a dead horse sometimes |
| 22:13.44 | MoonEater916 | also |
| 22:13.47 | MoonEater916 | doesnt seem to work |
| 22:14.21 | MoonEater916 | yep doesnt seems to work |
| 22:15.23 | JademusSreg | Instead of swapping the texture, should use a model that supports emissive. |
| 22:15.31 | JademusSreg | Like fucking hero glow. |
| 22:15.33 | Ahli | random bubblesort explanation video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P00xJgWzz2c |
| 22:16.19 | IskatuMesk | jademussreg, why does particle texture rotation not rotate anything |
| 22:16.20 | Teratron | well neat |
| 22:16.31 | Teratron | but ... im not a real programmer |
| 22:17.29 | pirate | then it sounds like your map wont have a real sorted scoreboard :/ |
| 22:19.09 | Teratron | maybe i'll try it |
| 22:20.02 | JademusSreg | Isk, that's a question best served to the modelers, but none are here atm. Modeling is almost entirely outside my experience. |
| 22:20.02 | pirate | what precisely does PreserveAnchorOffset do? |
| 22:21.34 | JademusSreg | I'd need to see where it's used, little fuzzy/ |
| 22:21.39 | Teratron | but i don't know much about mathematics :p |
| 22:22.20 | pirate | layout frame attribute |
| 22:22.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah, which frames use it? |
| 22:22.33 | IskatuMesk | that was easier than I thought |
| 22:22.41 | IskatuMesk | other than the rotation and some blending problems |
| 22:22.43 | pirate | all of em support it I think |
| 22:22.48 | IskatuMesk | I have an acceptable missile base |
| 22:22.55 | pirate | using it seems to fix my block alignment |
| 22:22.57 | JademusSreg | Not support, which use it? |
| 22:23.07 | pirate | so Imma stop asking questions |
| 22:23.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:24.04 | pirate | this is going to be so fucking cool |
| 22:24.06 | IskatuMesk | think a missile trail should be black or white |
| 22:24.08 | pirate | when it's done |
| 22:24.43 | JademusSreg | White. |
| 22:25.27 | JademusSreg | Even better would be white particles and a very thin distortion ribbon. |
| 22:25.29 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 22:25.38 | Ahli | it should have rainbow colors |
| 22:25.43 | IskatuMesk | yes... I have not gotten to the stage I understand distortion |
| 22:25.55 | IskatuMesk | I am generally going to avoid ribbons for smoke, might work for distortion though |
| 22:26.08 | pirate | squee http://i.imgur.com/6DEe825.jpg |
| 22:26.18 | IskatuMesk | right now my smoke trail doesn't randomize its rotation on the textures |
| 22:26.21 | IskatuMesk | so it looks rather queer |
| 22:26.27 | pirate | layouts are SO FANTASTIC |
| 22:26.35 | IskatuMesk | your face is fantastic |
| 22:26.43 | pirate | yar |
| 22:26.55 | JademusSreg | Sexy, pir. |
| 22:27.57 | pirate | you should see the way it MOVES |
| 22:28.08 | JademusSreg | Gif it. |
| 22:28.18 | JademusSreg | When practical. |
| 22:28.53 | pirate | once all the logic is there |
| 22:29.06 | pirate | er, base logic |
| 22:29.21 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:31.14 | pirate | creating this with dialogs would have been unfathomable |
| 22:31.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, and so many features remain unexploited, too. |
| 22:31.54 | pirate | for my uses, or in general? |
| 22:32.05 | JademusSreg | Either, both. |
| 22:37.39 | IskatuMesk | rocket is looking pretty good |
| 22:37.45 | pirate | share |
| 22:39.14 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/BhI3X9Y.gif |
| 22:39.46 | IskatuMesk | fairly similar to the one in Retribution (same model, drive glow style) but with a trail |
| 22:39.58 | IskatuMesk | which I am having trouble getting at my standard |
| 22:40.11 | pirate | I like |
| 22:40.56 | IskatuMesk | now that I understand a bit more about fixed direction particles it's only a matter of time until I begin my muzzle flash sweep |
| 22:42.01 | IskatuMesk | at the end of the project there may only be a dozen or so vanilla particles remaining |
| 22:42.43 | IskatuMesk | just gotta figure out a few things... one is non-uniform scaling |
| 22:48.06 | Arcane|Work | pirate: PreserveAnchorOffset is used in conjunction with CollapseLayout. Collapse Layout allows one to build a frame with a width and height set to max possible values, but will reduce the frame size to the size of elements within. PreserveAnchorOffset means that when the frame is collaspsed, it will only collaspe the sides that do not have anchors specified, thus preserving thier position, since those positions may be used as r |
| 22:48.57 | pirate | so you're telling me that it doesn't fix my perceived alignment issues and that its all in my head |
| 22:49.46 | Arcane|Work | A simple example of collaspe layout is the labels within the tooltip of ability. It can have many lables (Range, Cooldown, Cost), but the frame sizes correctly to fit them all, and reduces it size when some are not present. |
| 22:50.07 | pirate | aye, I do recall seeing the tags when I was fiddling with my tooltips |
| 22:50.11 | Arcane|Work | Not sure how it would interact without collaspe layout |
| 22:52.14 | Arcane|Work | Based on what I can see, PreserveAnchor would seem to make it so the game calculates where an anchor SHOULD be, when using relative frames (See the labels of hp/shield/energy, they reference trhe label above them for positioning), instead of just puking when the necessary element is not present. |
| 22:52.29 | pirate | oh |
| 22:52.34 | pirate | so maybe its not in my head |
| 22:53.34 | pirate | since I'm anchoring Bar12 to Line11 to Bar11 to Line10, etc |
| 22:53.42 | Arcane|Work | Yes |
| 22:53.54 | pirate | and any given Line or Bar might have a width of 0 |
| 22:54.17 | pirate | which was adding an additional (and unwanted) offset... |
| 22:54.18 | pirate | cool |
| 22:54.24 | Arcane|Work | A decent example of all this in action is the tooltip frame for abilities. |
| 22:54.31 | Arcane|Work | It has a width of 450 |
| 22:54.42 | Arcane|Work | And a max width of 1200 |
| 22:54.42 | pirate | arcane solves the mystery of pirates perception check |
| 22:55.28 | IskatuMesk | many, many steps to introduce a new particle... hopefully my previous experience means I have to do less wasteful steps |
| 22:55.32 | Arcane|Work | However, every element within the tooltip frame hsa collapse layout set to true. At the very end is an anchor frame that has anchorpreserved set to true. |
| 22:56.28 | Arcane|Work | That frame references 2 frames that usually can not exist, inventorylabel and hotkey label |
| 22:57.46 | IskatuMesk | pink trail... definitely fucked up something |
| 22:58.54 | pirate | missing texture |
| 22:59.05 | pirate | or is referencing an existing in game texture? |
| 22:59.37 | IskatuMesk | the body is but that seems to work |
| 22:59.59 | pirate | there seems to be a bug where the game does not like to load existing textures on custom models |
| 23:00.07 | IskatuMesk | interesting |
| 23:00.16 | IskatuMesk | time to re-import them, then |
| 23:04.41 | IskatuMesk | yep, that was the problem |
| 23:04.44 | IskatuMesk | I'll have to remember that |
| 23:05.03 | IskatuMesk | smoke trail is far too busy |
| 23:05.21 | IskatuMesk | the animated texture must animate too fast or something |
| 23:07.44 | IskatuMesk | yep, this is fairly easy to fix |
| 23:12.07 | IskatuMesk | that's a world of difference |
| 23:12.12 | IskatuMesk | looks so much better than the sc2 one I was using |
| 23:13.29 | IskatuMesk | I can use that scene as a basis and revamp all missiles currently in use by the game |
| 23:13.46 | IskatuMesk | just need to make appropriate models for them |
| 23:14.05 | pirate | almost there |
| 23:16.59 | IskatuMesk | www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/apex_dev/HMesk_apexrockettest_july2-2014-muxed.mkv |
| 23:17.10 | IskatuMesk | the smoke trail is something I'll have to play around a lot with until I feel good about it |
| 23:17.16 | IskatuMesk | but as a whole this is a pretty important step forward |
| 23:23.01 | pirate | hrmph, you cant set (and thus reset) a dialog control's height/width to 0 |
| 23:23.36 | pirate | minor annoyance |
| 23:29.09 | JademusSreg | Nice Medusa. |
| 23:35.04 | IskatuMesk | you will come to hate those things, the AI gets dozens of them |
| 23:35.46 | IskatuMesk | tank walls are all the more hilarious |
| 23:53.49 | pirate | :D |
| 23:54.04 | pirate | 5MB gif |
| 23:55.38 | pirate | http://www.gfycat.com/ElasticPettyButterfly |
| 23:55.57 | pirate | 33fps so it can be appreciated |
| 23:56.02 | IskatuMesk | you are well on the way to null0 |
| 23:56.12 | pirate | placeholder names |
| 23:56.32 | IskatuMesk | or a CLEVER DISGUISE |
| 23:56.54 | pirate | has a kink to work out (I didnt quite get the math right on adding bars and lines) |
| 23:57.03 | pirate | but I am very pleased with myself |
| 23:58.23 | IskatuMesk | I don't even know what a math is |
| 23:58.27 | IskatuMesk | so you are definitely a wizard |
