| 00:00.03 | EZS_ | but there's no decoder |
| 00:00.20 | EZS_ | afaik |
| 00:01.43 | EZS_ | for very long things i used keyboard macros |
| 00:03.43 | pirate_ | still nothing |
| 00:06.37 | Bounty | yep, driving my crazy pirate_ |
| 00:06.43 | Bounty | I'm at this point on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ff24-xGrSI |
| 00:06.50 | Bounty | just staying occupied |
| 00:06.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:07.47 | pirate_ | it says someone stole my name |
| 00:07.55 | pirate_ | :( |
| 00:08.53 | EZS_ | slow and steady bounty |
| 00:09.07 | Bounty | ? |
| 00:09.26 | EZS_ | avoid overkill |
| 00:09.26 | DeadZergling | a pirate against stealing |
| 00:09.33 | DeadZergling | there is a twist |
| 00:09.56 | pirate_ | no pirate likes having their booty stolen |
| 00:12.26 | EZS_ | speaking of pirates https://twitter.com/xor/status/478797422496215040 |
| 00:12.35 | DeadZergling | except maybe a butt pirate |
| 00:13.04 | Bounty | Top 10 will not be announced today pirate_ and DeadZergling |
| 00:13.40 | pirate_ | sourcE? |
| 00:13.43 | Bounty | Traysent |
| 00:13.49 | Bounty | Sometime this week |
| 00:14.01 | EZS_ | top 10 |
| 00:14.02 | EZS_ | ? |
| 00:14.13 | pirate_ | sec |
| 00:14.54 | Bounty | So there is no exact date, we will just have to wait and get surprised |
| 00:15.44 | EZS_ | tell me when your youtube adventure reaches this point bounty http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/30/Obama-Jokes-White-House-Pastry-Chef-Puts-Crack-In-His-Pies |
| 00:15.56 | DeadZergling | so, this is a drinking week for Bounty? |
| 00:15.59 | Bounty | It just ended |
| 00:16.15 | Bounty | Since I can now relax and not try to distract myself with youtube |
| 00:16.22 | Bounty | Well I already bought stuff for tonight so... |
| 00:16.31 | DeadZergling | yea, but sometime this week |
| 00:16.39 | DeadZergling | could be tomorrow |
| 00:16.42 | DeadZergling | could be wed |
| 00:16.44 | DeadZergling | could be thurs |
| 00:16.47 | Bounty | Then I'll buy more? |
| 00:16.47 | DeadZergling | could be any day! |
| 00:16.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:17.09 | Bounty | besides, I need to come up with some power ups and visual designs for the new Tessera mode anyways |
| 00:17.18 | DeadZergling | *sometime this week* Blizz Tm |
| 00:17.22 | Bounty | booze couldn't hurt the process |
| 00:17.27 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:17.28 | Bounty | haha |
| 00:17.29 | DeadZergling | definition referring to a span of about 1 to 23 days |
| 00:18.11 | Bounty | I must admit, I wish it was not Monday after he said that |
| 00:18.17 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:18.23 | DeadZergling | let the drinking begin! |
| 00:18.47 | Bounty | not yet DZ |
| 00:18.53 | Bounty | Have to wait for it to chill |
| 00:19.08 | DeadZergling | let the being a nitpicky little #%#%!@ begin! |
| 00:19.22 | Bounty | hmm? |
| 00:19.38 | DeadZergling | having to have special alcohol at a special temperature |
| 00:19.43 | DeadZergling | do you drink it out of a special cup? |
| 00:19.49 | Bounty | not a special temperature, just very cold |
| 00:19.53 | Bounty | I drink from the bottle lol |
| 00:20.06 | DeadZergling | lol anyways, not sure why, but I always imagine you as a hobbit |
| 00:20.26 | Bounty | haha |
| 00:20.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate_ (4b77fd15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.119.253.21) |
| 00:20.31 | Bounty | Far from it, 6'3 |
| 00:20.42 | pirate_ | so you called traysent up on the bountiphone? |
| 00:20.50 | DeadZergling | naw, you are now always a hobbit to me |
| 00:20.52 | Bounty | sure |
| 00:21.14 | Bounty | I'm not trolling pirate_ lol |
| 00:21.16 | DeadZergling | and not frodo or sam either |
| 00:21.34 | DeadZergling | you are pippin |
| 00:21.37 | pirate_ | did he tell you if you made it :p |
| 00:22.01 | DeadZergling | is possible they already picked, and are just waiting for the tournament stuff to be over |
| 00:22.03 | Bounty | yeah right |
| 00:22.17 | DeadZergling | so this gets more attention |
| 00:22.30 | Bounty | He would not even give me feedback on any of my concepts during the contest lol |
| 00:22.30 | pirate_ | well, they stopped testing games early last week |
| 00:22.41 | DeadZergling | that is my prediction anyways, as soon as the tournament is over, the top 10 aren't far off |
| 00:23.06 | Bounty | You can't break a Blizzard Employee |
| 00:23.19 | Bounty | or get special treatment when it comes to contests |
| 00:23.41 | Bounty | in my experience, so if someone is getting it... I guess I'm just not special |
| 00:23.42 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:24.23 | Bounty | What tournament DZ? |
| 00:24.50 | DeadZergling | which indeed, i thuoght that was what all the other postings were about |
| 00:25.02 | DeadZergling | oh well, my mind is elsewhere, lol |
| 00:25.26 | Bounty | same, for now at least |
| 00:36.38 | Ahli | they didn't update their planned news for this week neither... (press, mvps, streamers, influencers can see that)... must be busy |
| 00:37.05 | Bounty | most likely, yeah |
| 00:49.58 | Bounty | Watcha think of the music for the next Tessera trailer DeadZergling? |
| 00:50.09 | Bounty | Power ups + 3 hit kills |
| 00:50.12 | Bounty | :) |
| 00:50.17 | Bounty | will be the new mode |
| 00:50.44 | DeadZergling | haven't listened to any music other than my own today |
| 00:51.10 | Bounty | give it a try |
| 00:51.37 | Bounty | 00:00 - 1:01 |
| 00:52.08 | Bounty | and I want to blend that with 1:25 |
| 00:53.24 | pirate_ | heroes icon appeared in my bnet launcher |
| 00:53.30 | DeadZergling | okay, but still no idea what video you talking about |
| 00:53.35 | pirate_ | wonder if I'm officially in now |
| 00:53.48 | Bounty | trailer for the new game mode |
| 00:53.57 | pirate_ | yup, I am |
| 00:54.02 | pirate_ | neat |
| 00:54.15 | pirate_ | thanks ahli :D |
| 00:55.04 | DeadZergling | yea, not seeing a link, and I'm far too lazy to scroll up |
| 01:02.29 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSLqhZk-hA4 |
| 01:02.39 | Bounty | my bad DeadZergling, should have linked the song? |
| 01:05.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater916 (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220) |
| 01:05.35 | MoonEater916 | sssssuuuuuuuupppppppppppppp |
| 01:05.38 | MoonEater916 | need help |
| 01:06.47 | DeadZergling | rates about the same as that other music type real popular you hate with me, Bounty , lol |
| 01:06.59 | MoonEater916 | DeadZergling |
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| 01:07.01 | MoonEater916 | i missed u |
| 01:07.08 | IskatuMesk | me 2 |
| 01:07.26 | Bounty | What do you mean DeadZergling? |
| 01:07.28 | MoonEater916 | lolz... |
| 01:07.31 | Bounty | The Mozart video? |
| 01:07.43 | DeadZergling | no, it was some kind of techno |
| 01:07.49 | DeadZergling | that is real popular right now |
| 01:08.01 | Bounty | oh |
| 01:08.13 | Bounty | well that video sucked IMO |
| 01:08.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:08.28 | Bounty | what did you think of the Mozart trailer? |
| 01:08.52 | MoonEater916 | link? |
| 01:08.57 | MoonEater916 | post link |
| 01:08.58 | MoonEater916 | noa |
| 01:10.07 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOSnPnZnTE |
| 01:10.19 | MoonEater916 | soo |
| 01:10.22 | MoonEater916 | im debating |
| 01:10.28 | MoonEater916 | 2d spells or 3d |
| 01:10.31 | MoonEater916 | im abit worried |
| 01:10.50 | MoonEater916 | like i was lookign at assets and theres not much to work with for water |
| 01:11.04 | MoonEater916 | oh this again? |
| 01:11.06 | DeadZergling | mozart trailer, didn't particularly like it |
| 01:11.23 | DeadZergling | your first one was better |
| 01:11.49 | Bounty | I guess the whole "fun" thing does not mean much if the music does not match |
| 01:11.51 | Bounty | lesson learned |
| 01:12.27 | DeadZergling | don't think this music is a good idea |
| 01:12.38 | DeadZergling | whole time im hearing the music, I'm just, can i leave yet? |
| 01:12.49 | DeadZergling | but then again not a fan of the music genre either |
| 01:13.09 | DeadZergling | especially not of a spoofed genre band for adult swim on cartoon network |
| 01:14.10 | Bounty | Ahli, you there? |
| 01:14.17 | Bounty | need help with the rotator actor |
| 01:14.35 | DeadZergling | play with it enough, and it shall work |
| 01:14.53 | Bounty | Find me a song that fits better DeadZergling :) |
| 01:15.10 | DeadZergling | oh, you really don't want to go there |
| 01:15.27 | Bounty | true |
| 01:15.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:15.32 | DeadZergling | find a song that depicts what Tessera is to me |
| 01:15.37 | DeadZergling | you really don't want that |
| 01:15.42 | Bounty | do you know how the rotator actor works? |
| 01:16.00 | DeadZergling | more or less, you using a rotator, or an explicit rotation actor? |
| 01:16.12 | Bounty | I want 3 models to orbit the player |
| 01:16.18 | Bounty | think Mario Kart Battle mode, with the balloons |
| 01:16.30 | DeadZergling | oh, that |
| 01:17.19 | DeadZergling | it really doesn't look that good w/ rotators imo, but should be model addition + a rotator actor with a big enough offset |
| 01:17.31 | DeadZergling | i haven't touched the editor in a good while now though |
| 01:17.49 | Bounty | I am confused |
| 01:18.11 | Bounty | You just said it does not look good enough with rotators but then you said it should be done with a rotator actor |
| 01:18.24 | MoonEater916 | hmm... |
| 01:18.28 | DeadZergling | well that's easy, I haven't found a better solution yet |
| 01:18.29 | MoonEater916 | 2d or 3d spells |
| 01:18.34 | MoonEater916 | meh |
| 01:18.35 | DeadZergling | 2.5d |
| 01:19.32 | DeadZergling | it can be done is what i'm saying bounty, but i didn't like the look personally |
| 01:19.38 | DeadZergling | but it might look better for balloons |
| 01:19.41 | MoonEater916 | well |
| 01:19.44 | MoonEater916 | it is 2.5d |
| 01:19.48 | MoonEater916 | if i do 3d spells |
| 01:19.51 | Bounty | what do you mean by look though DZ? |
| 01:19.54 | Bounty | is it smooth? |
| 01:19.54 | MoonEater916 | but im lookign into viability |
| 01:20.04 | MoonEater916 | and i see that theres no easy way to make water spells |
| 01:20.11 | MoonEater916 | i could do fire and other ones |
| 01:20.14 | MoonEater916 | but meh |
| 01:20.16 | Bounty | I mean I honestly won't be able to get this shit to work without help neways but it would be good to know in advanced lol |
| 01:20.20 | MoonEater916 | unless u have a solution |
| 01:20.32 | DeadZergling | was rotating the unit in a way I didn't like, not sure how to describe it |
| 01:21.13 | DeadZergling | spun around it's axis like some idiot getting dizzy putting his head on a baseball bat then running in circles really fast |
| 01:21.15 | Ahli | Bounty: sup? |
| 01:21.18 | DeadZergling | wasn't a great look |
| 01:21.43 | DeadZergling | but it might be okay for a balloon, since it is the same on all sides |
| 01:21.50 | Bounty | Ahli, do you think you could walk me through how to get that orbiting effect we discussed last night |
| 01:21.53 | Bounty | with the rotator |
| 01:22.03 | Ahli | opens his map |
| 01:23.02 | MoonEater916 | DeadZergling |
| 01:23.04 | Bounty | also, Tempest Ground Missile? yes please |
| 01:23.07 | Bounty | awesome model for this |
| 01:23.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:23.27 | DeadZergling | water ones, just try to use energy ones |
| 01:23.33 | DeadZergling | make them more transparent |
| 01:23.35 | MoonEater916 | what? |
| 01:23.43 | MoonEater916 | u think i can do it with energy? |
| 01:23.45 | MoonEater916 | really? |
| 01:23.46 | DeadZergling | make them more watery |
| 01:23.56 | DeadZergling | wouldn't take long to try |
| 01:23.59 | MoonEater916 | is that possible, i havnt dont much models |
| 01:24.01 | MoonEater916 | and shit |
| 01:24.02 | Ahli | the 3 model actors are the three models |
| 01:24.08 | DeadZergling | is just easy actor events |
| 01:24.27 | DeadZergling | just use a blue or white tint, opacity of 20 % to 40 % maybe? |
| 01:24.38 | DeadZergling | best I can think of for water that is 'easy' |
| 01:25.01 | MoonEater916 | well i would like 3d ones |
| 01:25.02 | DeadZergling | otherwise, I invite you to start making your own models, lol |
| 01:25.11 | MoonEater916 | but if its not possible |
| 01:25.15 | MoonEater916 | ill go 2d |
| 01:25.22 | Ahli | they have site operations: attach origin with hold rotation; offset upwards (z), rotator, offset (away from the thing it rotates around) |
| 01:25.27 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:25.43 | DeadZergling | the base energy models are pretty 3d |
| 01:25.56 | DeadZergling | nana and froggy, err i mean delphinium |
| 01:26.04 | DeadZergling | they have some really interesting models, worth looking at |
| 01:26.23 | DeadZergling | i used an energy ball of theirs for a spider ball for my venoms boss |
| 01:26.34 | Ahli | attach origin with hold rotation enabled is there to make them not rotate with the source unit, also to make the model of the unit not matter as we start from the ground |
| 01:26.49 | Bounty | ok so, first |
| 01:26.55 | Bounty | Attach Center for example |
| 01:27.01 | Bounty | right? |
| 01:27.27 | Ahli | you could do that, but depending on your source model it can potentially move around, etc |
| 01:27.36 | Ahli | but that can work just fine, too |
| 01:27.36 | Bounty | gotcha |
| 01:27.51 | Bounty | and I can just use an offset actor of I used origin neways |
| 01:27.52 | MoonEater916 | DeadZergling alright im lookign wonder if zolden would be interested |
| 01:27.58 | JademusSreg | If I could get some documentation on the m3 format, specifically the internal structures, I could do more neat things without requiring a modeling application. =D |
| 01:27.59 | MoonEater916 | i know that guy loves spells and ability |
| 01:28.03 | MoonEater916 | along with dr evil |
| 01:28.08 | Ahli | what? |
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| 01:29.43 | JademusSreg | Like these were customized from a hex editor: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c38j4jc9lqk8hy2/Custom%20HardTile%20Roads.jpg |
| 01:30.29 | JademusSreg | If I had documentation about the internal structure, I could do more than modify texture assets. |
| 01:30.56 | Bounty | ok, have the attach origin hold rotation Ahli |
| 01:31.01 | Bounty | next would be? |
| 01:31.40 | Ahli | site operation local offset |
| 01:31.50 | Ahli | with positive Z |
| 01:32.33 | Bounty | kk |
| 01:32.51 | Bounty | got it |
| 01:33.12 | Ahli | then you need sit eoperation (rotator), set the axis to 0,0,1 to make it spin around the Z axis |
| 01:33.17 | DeadZergling | oh that's the type Bounty, I rate that music on the same level as Dubstep |
| 01:33.24 | Ahli | rate is speed, I used 90 |
| 01:33.40 | Ahli | type is: accumulate and set rotation |
| 01:33.53 | DeadZergling | rate is degrees per second, is it not? |
| 01:34.00 | Ahli | I think so |
| 01:34.11 | Ahli | duplicate that thing 2 times, once for each attached model |
| 01:34.11 | DeadZergling | is what i thought as well from playing with it |
| 01:34.29 | Ahli | and change the initial angle accordingly: 0, 120, 240 |
| 01:34.35 | Bounty | ah |
| 01:34.37 | Bounty | ok |
| 01:34.41 | Bounty | let me see if this worked |
| 01:35.03 | Bounty | nope |
| 01:35.35 | Ahli | then a site operation with local offset, it requires negative Y to move its center away from the rotation's center |
| 01:35.46 | Ahli | so there is a distance between those |
| 01:35.57 | Bounty | so replace the Z offset with Y? |
| 01:36.15 | Ahli | no, you need 2 |
| 01:36.31 | MoonEater916 | Is there an easy way to make an ability and strip it from the dependancy? |
| 01:36.43 | MoonEater916 | and move it to another map |
| 01:36.51 | Ahli | attach origin, move upwards, rotator, move away with negative y |
| 01:36.51 | Bounty | still not doing it, although it is offset |
| 01:37.04 | Ahli | that's the order of hosted site ops |
| 01:37.34 | Bounty | it would animate in the editor right? |
| 01:37.37 | Bounty | if it creates |
| 01:37.43 | Ahli | no |
| 01:37.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:37.48 | Bounty | ok |
| 01:37.49 | Ahli | I don't think so |
| 01:37.51 | Bounty | let me try it |
| 01:38.16 | Ahli | well, maybe, but I would assume it won't work :D |
| 01:38.25 | Bounty | may as well test it |
| 01:38.33 | Bounty | 1 sec |
| 01:40.10 | Bounty | nay |
| 01:40.23 | Bounty | is the hold rotation set for the attach actor or the model actor? |
| 01:42.46 | Ahli | hold rotation is enabled within the attachment site op |
| 01:43.12 | MoonEater916 | Ahli u available to multitask alittle? |
| 01:43.30 | Ahli | not now, maybe in 2 minutes |
| 01:43.51 | DeadZergling | it animates in the editor |
| 01:43.57 | DeadZergling | if you do a small wait in the events, lol |
| 01:44.05 | DeadZergling | but that is dynamically doing all this stuff then |
| 01:44.33 | MoonEater916 | DeadZerglings how would i go about makign a ability in a different map and move it another map? |
| 01:44.50 | DeadZergling | carefully |
| 01:44.59 | DeadZergling | could either turn the different map into a mod |
| 01:45.17 | DeadZergling | or just save it as folders then just copy the xml you want |
| 01:45.31 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/rotatorUsageExample.SC2Map |
| 01:45.38 | Ahli | MoonEater916: what's up? |
| 01:45.52 | MoonEater916 | how would i go about makign a ability in a different map and move it another map? |
| 01:45.59 | MoonEater916 | lets see if u have a different answer |
| 01:46.00 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 01:46.34 | DeadZergling | is also the fun way of having 2 maps open, ctrl + c and ctrl + v |
| 01:46.35 | Ahli | copy paste each element for example... or copy paste the xml content, so you only need to switch the map once... |
| 01:46.39 | DeadZergling | and going between them both repeatedly |
| 01:46.47 | Ahli | switching maps sucks :D |
| 01:46.51 | Ahli | it's so slow |
| 01:46.56 | DeadZergling | making folders is the easiest really |
| 01:47.04 | DeadZergling | it craps out all the xml you want right there |
| 01:47.15 | Bounty | FieldSOpAttachOrigin - HoldRotation Attachment: Attachment Query +Origin 0:Ignored |
| 01:47.16 | Bounty | Ahli |
| 01:47.23 | Bounty | that is all I don't have, I assume that is what it is? |
| 01:47.35 | Ahli | Ahlihttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/rotatorUsageExample.SC2Map |
| 01:47.36 | MoonEater916 | kk |
| 01:47.39 | MoonEater916 | peace out then! |
| 01:47.52 | Ahli | look at dat and learn |
| 01:47.56 | Ahli | or copy paste |
| 01:48.12 | Bounty | also |
| 01:48.19 | Bounty | for my model actor I have it as model addition |
| 01:48.40 | Ahli | not a problem |
| 01:48.54 | Ahli | I think it just has _Selectable in the model actor |
| 01:50.56 | Bounty | swear to god |
| 01:50.58 | Bounty | hate data |
| 01:52.26 | DeadZergling | yes Bounty, we know |
| 01:53.01 | DeadZergling | could go for a fun trigger work around :) |
| 01:53.04 | Bounty | like the fucking shit I see when I open your map is diff than mine |
| 01:53.26 | DeadZergling | my map came with a puppy! |
| 01:54.02 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 01:54.34 | IskatuMesk | yes ahli, map switching... is horrible |
| 01:54.53 | Bounty | There is no difference Ahli |
| 01:54.56 | Bounty | except FieldSOpAttachOrigin - HoldRotation Attachment: Attachment Query +Origin 0:Ignored |
| 01:55.03 | Bounty | and I can't even get it to look the same |
| 01:55.09 | Bounty | yours is totally diff than mine |
| 01:55.14 | Ahli | the f+ck is field blablabla? |
| 01:55.18 | IskatuMesk | he is a wizerd |
| 01:55.31 | EZS_ | wizard |
| 01:55.32 | Bounty | Field(GFX) Life Hosting: Hosted Attachments - Attachment Query - Fallback |
| 01:55.33 | EZS_ | ? |
| 01:55.34 | IskatuMesk | wizerd |
| 01:55.34 | Bounty | in your editor |
| 01:55.41 | IskatuMesk | 420 yoloscope wizerd |
| 01:55.42 | Bounty | it is Attachment Query - Fallback |
| 01:56.33 | EZS_ | WIZARD !!!! http://tinyurl.com/od7mdnc |
| 01:56.34 | Ahli | fallback: ignored, method: direct, origin, 0 |
| 01:56.53 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 01:58.08 | Ahli | bounty, you are aware that my attach site operation is a newly created one, right? |
| 01:58.17 | Bounty | yes |
| 01:58.20 | Bounty | for hold rotation |
| 01:58.24 | Bounty | correct? |
| 01:58.31 | Ahli | to nebale its hold rotation, yes |
| 01:58.38 | Ahli | *enable |
| 01:58.49 | Bounty | feels the rage |
| 01:59.05 | Bounty | I just hit ok and its gone |
| 01:59.17 | Bounty | the attachment query lol |
| 01:59.53 | Ahli | open it in xml view |
| 01:59.54 | Bounty | also that is not what it said on your map |
| 01:59.56 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.56 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.16 | Ahli | is the content of the whole <CActorSiteOpAttach id="SOpAttachOriginHoldRotation"> |
| 02:00.26 | Bounty | yeah I put that in and it stays gray |
| 02:00.30 | Bounty | it is green in your map |
| 02:00.43 | Ahli | http://pastebin.com/EKCrCLJS |
| 02:00.44 | Bounty | it is attach query or reattach query |
| 02:00.51 | Ahli | attach |
| 02:01.18 | Bounty | ok first off |
| 02:01.22 | Bounty | it says Origin in that map you linked |
| 02:01.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:02.07 | Bounty | FieldSOpAttachOrigin - HoldRotation Attachment Query - MethodsOrigin 0 |
| 02:02.23 | Bounty | so its not ignored, its origin |
| 02:02.25 | Bounty | right? |
| 02:02.36 | Ahli | fallback is ignored, the direct one is origin |
| 02:02.58 | Ahli | it tried the method thing, if that fails it does the fallback thing |
| 02:03.10 | Ahli | since we don't expect it to fail, we just leave it on ignored |
| 02:03.23 | Bounty | trying now |
| 02:03.42 | Bounty | alright |
| 02:03.45 | Bounty | green |
| 02:03.47 | Bounty | lets see |
| 02:04.39 | JademusSreg | listens to descending Shepard tone on loop for eternity. |
| 02:04.58 | Bounty | haha |
| 02:04.58 | JademusSreg | Must be on the infinite staircase. |
| 02:05.05 | Bounty | crazy isn't it JademusSreg? |
| 02:05.31 | Bounty | son of a bitch |
| 02:05.34 | Bounty | its not working |
| 02:05.38 | JademusSreg | I'm acquainted with it, but -now- I've got an audio sample with which to fuck. |
| 02:06.06 | Bounty | the model itself is rotating |
| 02:06.11 | Bounty | I think... |
| 02:06.20 | Bounty | Not sure if its the animation |
| 02:06.26 | Bounty | Don't think this model rotates this way |
| 02:06.42 | Bounty | yep |
| 02:06.45 | Bounty | its the model rotating now |
| 02:07.11 | Ahli | you have a working example, work from there (like copy pasting the whole thing and editing it) |
| 02:07.26 | Bounty | why is the model rotating and not rotating around the unit? |
| 02:08.03 | Ahli | because model addition thingy? |
| 02:08.06 | IskatuMesk | mmm... audio fuckery |
| 02:08.23 | Bounty | ok let me try that Ahli |
| 02:08.49 | EZS_ | ahli im making the validators now in data |
| 02:08.54 | EZS_ | and well i hope it works |
| 02:09.09 | Bounty | ah ok |
| 02:09.10 | EZS_ | but i don't know how does the game know that lane 1 is in region 1 ? |
| 02:09.16 | Bounty | ModelAnimationStyleContinuous |
| 02:09.32 | Bounty | never used this before, lets see if it works |
| 02:09.33 | Bounty | :) |
| 02:10.03 | Ahli | EZS_ I made the validators in my example map already :D |
| 02:10.09 | Ahli | you can copy paste them |
| 02:10.36 | EZS_ | yes im looking at those |
| 02:10.49 | Ahli | the validator contruct validates that caster and target have the same behavior: e.g. lane 1 |
| 02:10.56 | EZS_ | i just don't see any of them having a link to a region they suppose to be in |
| 02:11.10 | EZS_ | oh |
| 02:11.13 | EZS_ | okay |
| 02:11.19 | Ahli | the behaviors are added with triggers which should be added correctly in each region |
| 02:11.22 | Bounty | sigh |
| 02:11.25 | Bounty | still not fucking working |
| 02:11.37 | EZS_ | i think i get it now |
| 02:11.42 | Bounty | screenshot time |
| 02:11.44 | Bounty | after smoke |
| 02:11.59 | Bounty | idk why but data really gets me enraged lol |
| 02:12.04 | EZS_ | only one thing ahli |
| 02:12.14 | EZS_ | oh wait |
| 02:12.33 | EZS_ | you used the player thing to separate the lane behaviors for players without the use of regions |
| 02:12.42 | EZS_ | and the region array for the enemy slot 15 |
| 02:12.57 | Ahli | I assumed that player 1 has lane 1, player 2 lane 2, etc |
| 02:13.12 | JademusSreg | Bounty, wat are you doing? |
| 02:13.23 | EZS_ | well yes it's not called lane, it just P1_RegionFull |
| 02:13.25 | DeadZergling | Drinking is my assumption |
| 02:13.29 | EZS_ | P2_RegionFull |
| 02:13.32 | EZS_ | ,,etc |
| 02:13.45 | Ahli | so all units from player 1 get the lane 1 buff, all enemies in lane 1 get the lane1 buff... then these units can fight each other |
| 02:14.01 | EZS_ | sounds right now |
| 02:14.22 | EZS_ | somewho when you know the big picure it's easier and actually more attractive to do this |
| 02:14.49 | Bounty | sec JademusSreg |
| 02:14.52 | Bounty | going to link SS's |
| 02:14.58 | EZS_ | copy pasting with no idea is kind of weird :p |
| 02:15.00 | Bounty | trying to get the Mario Balloon affect around people |
| 02:15.07 | Bounty | so I need 3 models rotating around them |
| 02:15.08 | Bounty | sed |
| 02:15.09 | Bounty | sec* |
| 02:15.11 | Ahli | if you understand the approach to solve the problem, the single tasks become obvious :D |
| 02:15.18 | DeadZergling | They sure pick odd times to update that blizz site |
| 02:15.46 | EZS_ | oh wait ! |
| 02:15.59 | EZS_ | does it work both ways, because the targets will shot the caster too .... |
| 02:16.17 | Ahli | the target needs the validator in his weapon's first effect, too |
| 02:16.24 | Ahli | else he can shoot over cliffs, etc |
| 02:16.32 | pirate_ | who all has heroes? |
| 02:16.35 | Ahli | <- |
| 02:16.42 | EZS_ | the same "same lane" validator ? |
| 02:16.44 | Bounty | alright |
| 02:16.45 | Ahli | yes |
| 02:16.47 | EZS_ | what do you mean first effect |
| 02:16.50 | Bounty | Ahli and possibly JademusSreg |
| 02:16.53 | pirate_ | give friend infoz |
| 02:16.55 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2xqi6a2san1y3o/Model.png |
| 02:16.59 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/olpew86exufjfh2/Offset.png |
| 02:17.03 | Ahli | every weapon has an effect in it that it executes |
| 02:17.04 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/chwjb2e4yp39w6s/Rotator.png |
| 02:17.06 | EZS_ | launch missile is the first for most imo |
| 02:17.25 | Ahli | that effect can have validators. the weapon is smart enough to check that effect's validators when it tries to find a target |
| 02:17.53 | EZS_ | yes that's the one |
| 02:17.56 | Ahli | that's how the units in the other lanes become invalid targets |
| 02:17.59 | EZS_ | marine has only Damage |
| 02:18.05 | JademusSreg | Lrn2pasteXML |
| 02:18.16 | Ahli | I added the "same lane" validator to the damage effect |
| 02:18.28 | EZS_ | i think i saw that yes |
| 02:19.08 | Ahli | bounty, you need 2 local offsets |
| 02:19.18 | Bounty | oh and https://www.dropbox.com/s/du48iciysj1tpsm/AttachOrigin.png |
| 02:19.18 | Ahli | one for Z before the rotator, one after it with negative y |
| 02:19.26 | Bounty | oh |
| 02:19.32 | Bounty | not within the same actor? |
| 02:19.40 | Ahli | no :D separetely |
| 02:19.46 | Bounty | Germans.... |
| 02:19.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:19.53 | Bounty | ok let me try it |
| 02:20.05 | Ahli | the site operation order is important |
| 02:20.12 | EZS_ | also i need this behaviors applied every 2 seconds of the game at least , do behaviors stack ? |
| 02:20.13 | Bounty | what is first? |
| 02:20.25 | EZS_ | so it's not many of them on the same unit |
| 02:20.27 | DeadZergling | why on earth would you tell him to use 2 different ones for that ahli, lol |
| 02:20.27 | JademusSreg | Paste XML for Our Lady of Perpetual Fuck's sake. |
| 02:20.54 | Ahli | attach origin with hold rotation; offset upwards (z), rotator, offset distance (-y) |
| 02:21.11 | Ahli | from top to bottom |
| 02:21.42 | Ahli | can units switch lanes, EZS_? |
| 02:22.01 | Bounty | it works |
| 02:22.03 | Bounty | DSKFJADSFKSDJFADSFJAS |
| 02:22.05 | Bounty | FUCK |
| 02:22.10 | Bounty | <3 Ahli |
| 02:22.13 | Bounty | hate this stuff |
| 02:22.15 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 02:22.17 | Bounty | but <3 ahli |
| 02:22.19 | EZS_ | no ahli, totally separate all game |
| 02:22.32 | Ahli | then you don't need to periodically update the buffs |
| 02:22.40 | Bounty | thanks Ahli, very much appreciated |
| 02:22.47 | EZS_ | are you sure |
| 02:22.48 | DeadZergling | by the way Ahli, how is your shooter going? |
| 02:22.49 | Ahli | just when a new unit is spawned... |
| 02:22.52 | Ahli | yes I am |
| 02:23.02 | EZS_ | most of the players unit spawn |
| 02:23.07 | Ahli | stopped working on it atm due to diablo bug fixes |
| 02:23.10 | Bounty | I haz a rotating bubble JademusSreg |
| 02:23.11 | Bounty | zomg |
| 02:23.26 | Bounty | and it is glorious |
| 02:23.34 | JademusSreg | I'm sure that'll make sense to me someday. |
| 02:23.39 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:23.40 | DeadZergling | color it properly, and enjoy the 'what a lame mario kart rip off' comments |
| 02:23.47 | Ahli | :D |
| 02:23.52 | Bounty | eh, I had the same thing for the other mode |
| 02:23.55 | Bounty | ironically from Jade |
| 02:23.58 | Bounty | Smash Bros ripoff |
| 02:24.01 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:24.02 | EZS_ | they do spawn at irregular times, not all players at the same time, everyone player each firing up the same trigger would not be a good idea, don't want to mess with instances |
| 02:24.18 | Ahli | bounty, now make it go slightly up and down ;) |
| 02:24.20 | DeadZergling | Bounty, Nintendo's face in the mapping community |
| 02:24.34 | Bounty | Don't be a Nazi Ahli |
| 02:24.36 | EZS_ | there is a 4 second spawning time so there's room to make it every not loop too quick |
| 02:24.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:24.43 | DeadZergling | Ahli has a point |
| 02:24.47 | Ahli | when runner spawns -> add behavior to each unit in unit group |
| 02:24.49 | DeadZergling | bobbing balloons are important |
| 02:25.11 | Ahli | when defender unit is created -> add behavior depending on player |
| 02:25.15 | Bounty | DeadZergling, the only reason you're here is to either help with the editor or help start something =P |
| 02:25.23 | Bounty | but |
| 02:25.26 | Bounty | let me try this ahli |
| 02:25.33 | Bounty | just so I know I understand |
| 02:25.45 | DeadZergling | oh, you think you know the reason I'm here huh? |
| 02:26.07 | Bounty | done Ahli |
| 02:26.09 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:26.20 | Bounty | just added another positive to the local axis on the rotator |
| 02:26.27 | Bounty | Challenge Complete |
| 02:26.45 | Ahli | well, that is different what I had in mind |
| 02:26.46 | EZS_ | that's for me ahli, defender ? |
| 02:26.50 | Ahli | yes |
| 02:26.55 | Ahli | the player's units |
| 02:27.01 | Bounty | seems to work Ahli |
| 02:27.01 | Ahli | I assume he can build more or buy more |
| 02:27.07 | Bounty | might be multiple ways of doing it |
| 02:27.13 | EZS_ | no there is no base building |
| 02:27.14 | EZS_ | nothing |
| 02:27.20 | EZS_ | spawns are free and absolute |
| 02:27.28 | EZS_ | 6 spawns total each player |
| 02:27.41 | Ahli | so whenever something spawns, add behaviors and you are good to go |
| 02:27.42 | EZS_ | spawns are pre-determined |
| 02:28.17 | Ahli | create 10 units at point, then loop over the unit group "last created units" |
| 02:28.27 | Ahli | and add the behavior to each one of them |
| 02:30.11 | Ahli | I should sleep before the artisans wake me up... hopefully I can have a hot shower within the next 6 hours.... that would be awesome... night |
| 02:30.36 | DeadZergling | later Ahli, I'll just play diable |
| 02:30.50 | Ahli | soft or hard? |
| 02:30.57 | Bounty | oh man |
| 02:31.05 | DeadZergling | dunno, whatever I decide diable means, lol |
| 02:31.09 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 02:31.31 | Bounty | takes screen of [22:30] <Ahli> soft or hard? |
| 02:31.46 | Ahli | why? |
| 02:31.55 | Bounty | to frame it? |
| 02:32.04 | Ahli | what's so special? |
| 02:32.16 | IskatuMesk | I am always hard |
| 02:32.22 | Bounty | Look Ahli, don't kill my moment |
| 02:32.26 | Ahli | :D |
| 02:32.27 | DeadZergling | Alcohol Label should read: Warning, may cause you to think you are clever. |
| 02:32.40 | Ahli | or dirty |
| 02:32.40 | EZS_ | ahli can i change Failure Result |
| 02:32.47 | EZS_ | the error message |
| 02:32.58 | EZS_ | that's just cosmetic not critical right |
| 02:32.58 | Ahli | that would be in the validator, yes |
| 02:33.08 | EZS_ | ok |
| 02:33.13 | Ahli | but I don't know which one exactly does that, lol |
| 02:33.21 | EZS_ | yeah i though of that |
| 02:33.30 | EZS_ | the main one or all of them |
| 02:34.02 | DeadZergling | Ahli, go make the sleeps |
| 02:34.04 | Ahli | I guess the caster&target ones |
| 02:34.11 | EZS_ | oh |
| 02:34.14 | Ahli | yes I should... |
| 02:34.15 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:2de4:925e:b26c:b887) |
| 02:34.16 | EZS_ | ok |
| 02:35.48 | DeadZergling | seriously Bounty , what the hell moment do you think you had there, lol |
| 02:36.38 | JademusSreg | Diable: Diablo for the differently abled? Diable 3: Reaper of Parking Spots. |
| 02:36.59 | Bounty | idk I thought it was funny DeadZergling? |
| 02:37.01 | Bounty | and too me it was |
| 02:37.14 | JademusSreg | Pretty badass idea, actually. |
| 02:37.16 | Bounty | because I had just opened the IRC tab and that is what I saw |
| 02:37.35 | JademusSreg | Each class corresponding to a different broad category of disability. |
| 02:37.36 | IskatuMesk | The Toll Collector |
| 02:37.45 | JademusSreg | Blind Monk, of course. |
| 02:38.01 | JademusSreg | Autistic Barbarian. |
| 02:38.10 | DeadZergling | dibs on the epilectics and quadraplegics |
| 02:38.20 | pirate_ | wheelchair crusader |
| 02:38.44 | DeadZergling | oh, a disabled character you mean |
| 02:38.46 | IskatuMesk | diabetic diablo |
| 02:38.54 | DeadZergling | I was thinking a disabled person slaughter game |
| 02:38.58 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 02:39.09 | Bounty | Barbarian with the clap? |
| 02:39.30 | IskatuMesk | diablo is normally like that, since the monsters have no AI, they stimulate mentally disabled people |
| 02:39.34 | IskatuMesk | simulate |
| 02:39.37 | JademusSreg | Cerebral Palsy Paladin |
| 02:39.39 | IskatuMesk | stimulation comes from the alcohol |
| 02:39.48 | Bounty | lol JademusSreg |
| 02:40.12 | DeadZergling | maybe IskatuMesk , but think of the satisfaction of shooting down paraplegics dragging themselves towards you with their hands |
| 02:40.19 | IskatuMesk | lolol |
| 02:40.26 | JademusSreg | Epileptic Demon Hunter. They always wear a hood and hate the horrible glow of infernal flame. |
| 02:40.29 | DeadZergling | of beating down Cerbral Palsy succubi |
| 02:40.34 | DeadZergling | *Cerebral |
| 02:40.57 | DeadZergling | of gunning down the diabetic masses while they are distracted by sugar |
| 02:41.09 | IskatuMesk | COFFEEE |
| 02:41.41 | JademusSreg | The point is to play as a "differently-abled" hero. You'll beat back all the might of hell, even if you must do it with your crutches. |
| 02:41.48 | DeadZergling | anyways, amusing thoughts, but would need significant model work |
| 02:41.51 | DeadZergling | for it to really work |
| 02:41.52 | Bounty | Narcoleptic Demon Hunter imo |
| 02:41.58 | DeadZergling | or at least, animation work to make existing models have handicaps |
| 02:42.05 | JademusSreg | Bounty, makes no sense. Narcoleptic Witch Doctor. |
| 02:42.24 | Bounty | I was just imagining a demon hunter passing out mid reload or fire |
| 02:42.26 | Bounty | sorry |
| 02:43.33 | JademusSreg | Naw, the point is for it to -work-, celebrate, elevate, glorify the awesomeness of kicking ass despite not having the use of your legs, ya know? Don't wanna make fun of them, but rather have fun with them. =D |
| 02:43.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:44.00 | JademusSreg | Fine line. Not only is it fine, but also invisible, not on the visible spectrum. |
| 02:44.01 | Bounty | goes back to editor |
| 02:45.25 | JademusSreg | Fun idea. Meanwhile, stuff! |
| 02:52.49 | IskatuMesk | butts |
| 02:54.40 | Bounty | Watcha think JademusSreg? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68108247/Ballooza.mp4 |
| 02:55.09 | Bounty | each globe = 1 life point |
| 02:55.19 | Bounty | 3 hits = kill |
| 02:55.22 | IskatuMesk | the music perfectly fits the disco room |
| 02:55.27 | IskatuMesk | maybe needs a bit more sassy black lady notres |
| 02:55.42 | Bounty | really? that was unintentional :) |
| 02:57.26 | Bounty | was recorded what I was listening to |
| 02:57.28 | IskatuMesk | I really wished I had named these old files in an intelligible manner |
| 02:57.40 | IskatuMesk | what the fuck is "boatstorm" "doax" "ass" "ass[1]" |
| 02:57.53 | Bounty | ass? hmm, that does not seem like you |
| 02:58.00 | Bounty | You are a butts man |
| 02:58.13 | IskatuMesk | you're right, most of my files are generally named various euphimisms or racial slurs |
| 02:58.18 | IskatuMesk | getting straight to the point is unusual |
| 02:58.47 | IskatuMesk | I have a FontStyles from 2010 |
| 02:59.34 | IskatuMesk | what I was hoping to find was the splitting projectile data from a while back... alas |
| 03:00.48 | IskatuMesk | this movers example map gives millions of errors |
| 03:01.52 | IskatuMesk | loool, boatstorm is the old antharas model. Even with only 2 textures it makes the map file 15mb |
| 03:03.17 | Bounty | I avoid data at all costs IskatuMesk |
| 03:03.19 | Bounty | personally lol |
| 03:03.35 | Bounty | unless it is clearly way more efficient |
| 03:03.47 | Bounty | example, what Ahli just taught me :) |
| 03:04.00 | IskatuMesk | everything of mine will be data driven |
| 03:04.06 | IskatuMesk | I will avoid triggers except when necessary |
| 03:04.07 | Bounty | genre? |
| 03:04.14 | IskatuMesk | build and destroy |
| 03:04.14 | IskatuMesk | melee |
| 03:04.22 | Bounty | ok so its an RTS like Starcraft |
| 03:04.26 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 03:04.26 | Bounty | makes sense in that case |
| 03:04.29 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:04.29 | IskatuMesk | efficiency is key |
| 03:04.35 | IskatuMesk | it's going to perform badly enough |
| 03:04.41 | Bounty | yes but triggers are more efficient for other genres |
| 03:04.49 | Bounty | imo |
| 03:05.31 | IskatuMesk | after seeing how slow galaxy is as a language I want to avoid being dependent on it where I can be |
| 03:05.39 | IskatuMesk | so for example |
| 03:05.51 | JademusSreg | Adorable, Bounty. |
| 03:05.53 | IskatuMesk | all bosses and such are data driven with tactical AI |
| 03:06.03 | IskatuMesk | all spells etc are data |
| 03:06.08 | Bounty | I think it looks too simple JademusSreg |
| 03:06.13 | IskatuMesk | unless we run into something where it's a mess |
| 03:06.22 | JademusSreg | Not a trailer, doesn't matter. |
| 03:06.34 | JademusSreg | It's a powerup, not a fucking epic narrative. |
| 03:06.39 | Bounty | its not a power up |
| 03:06.41 | IskatuMesk | but it could be... |
| 03:06.42 | Bounty | dumbass |
| 03:06.55 | Bounty | it is what displays a players life |
| 03:06.56 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:06.57 | Bounty | to others |
| 03:07.07 | JademusSreg | *life power |
| 03:07.31 | Bounty | I was just thinking player colored but I doubt that would make a diff |
| 03:07.54 | Bounty | model has two version, that one and one that is entirely light blue |
| 03:08.00 | JademusSreg | Not a bad idea, not difficult to do. |
| 03:08.12 | Bounty | for me it is difficult |
| 03:08.21 | Bounty | tint is meh |
| 03:08.27 | Bounty | depending on the mixture of colors |
| 03:08.37 | JademusSreg | Check to see if it has Default material in the asset. |
| 03:08.57 | Bounty | checking |
| 03:09.08 | JademusSreg | Or any material that supports team color; Default material, used for units, does by, tada, default. |
| 03:09.30 | Bounty | it has 5 default materials |
| 03:09.44 | JademusSreg | What are they named? |
| 03:09.45 | Bounty | Default22, Defaultwww, Defaultwwww, Default and Default |
| 03:09.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:09.53 | IskatuMesk | very blizzard |
| 03:09.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah, totally. |
| 03:10.06 | Bounty | : |
| 03:10.06 | IskatuMesk | all of their shit is like that |
| 03:10.09 | IskatuMesk | they are even worse than me |
| 03:10.10 | Bounty | :(* |
| 03:10.13 | JademusSreg | Anyway, check each of them. |
| 03:10.23 | JademusSreg | Want to make sure at least one supports team color. |
| 03:10.28 | Bounty | Even I can say this is half assed |
| 03:10.34 | Bounty | just because of Defaultwww |
| 03:10.37 | Bounty | and Defaultwwww |
| 03:10.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:10.48 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 03:11.01 | JademusSreg | Then either a texture select or model hexedit can achieve the desired effect. |
| 03:11.02 | Bounty | how to check team color enabled? |
| 03:11.10 | JademusSreg | Click on da material. |
| 03:11.19 | JademusSreg | Open it like fooolder. |
| 03:11.25 | Bounty | mother fucker |
| 03:11.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:11.30 | Bounty | I will drop kick you |
| 03:11.32 | Bounty | I know that |
| 03:11.35 | Bounty | it has a folder icon |
| 03:11.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:11.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:11.43 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:11.59 | Bounty | Flags? |
| 03:12.04 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 03:12.36 | JademusSreg | Once determined at least one material supports it, your choice of either texture swapping or asset editing. |
| 03:12.52 | Bounty | none of them have it |
| 03:13.03 | JademusSreg | I'm rather skeptical. |
| 03:13.10 | IskatuMesk | I wonder what bears[1] is... |
| 03:13.23 | Bounty | TempestGroundMissile |
| 03:13.50 | Bounty | or |
| 03:13.55 | IskatuMesk | oh, it's something hixy-chan sent me almost a year ago |
| 03:13.56 | Bounty | TempestPlasmaMissile |
| 03:14.33 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:14.34 | IskatuMesk | the most noteworthy thing is it has a cleaned up devastator in it |
| 03:15.03 | EZS_ | hey |
| 03:15.16 | EZS_ | how do i adjust auto.acquire through behavior |
| 03:15.22 | EZS_ | to disable it |
| 03:15.45 | EZS_ | to make it defensive for X seconds |
| 03:16.02 | EZS_ | buff behavior finds nothing |
| 03:16.41 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/K3aO0Vn.png |
| 03:16.53 | Bounty | http://www.everydayhealth.com/news/moderate-alcohol-intake-may-lower-aortic-aneurysm-risk/?xid=aol_eh-news_22_20140623_&aolcat=HLT&ncid=webmail30 |
| 03:16.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:17.28 | Bounty | that is sexy IskatuMesk |
| 03:18.23 | Bounty | Do you permit people to use your models that you have already created? |
| 03:18.48 | IskatuMesk | not normally |
| 03:19.03 | Bounty | such a tease >.< |
| 03:19.22 | IskatuMesk | even if I wanted to use this one it needs a lot of work |
| 03:19.24 | Bounty | Although I would not use any of them personally though |
| 03:19.39 | Bounty | Just because I have no intentions of making a game that has ships |
| 03:19.50 | Bounty | Ah |
| 03:19.52 | ArcanePariah | Welp, my experiment has concluded. Creating a virtual GPU instance is successful in installing sc2. I'm going to assume instances without GPU's will fail to install, but will explore tomorrow. GPU can easily render game, but network becomes a major performance issue. |
| 03:19.55 | IskatuMesk | sc2 probably couldn't handle most of them |
| 03:20.13 | IskatuMesk | the art tools has a 64 object limit or something, rigging the turrets would far exceed that in most of my ret models |
| 03:20.46 | ArcanePariah | Sadly, VNC can do it, but the latency kills the idea. RDP can not launch GPU related things, which is a major error on Amazon's part, as RDP is the default access tool for Windows. |
| 03:20.49 | IskatuMesk | assuming sc2 can take multiple animated turrets. Not sure how well that works, yet |
| 03:21.17 | IskatuMesk | for the necropolis I plan to just rip some eve stuff and remaster them |
| 03:21.36 | IskatuMesk | I would remodel all of the terran ships but I can't uv/texture them so I am not sure what to do there |
| 03:21.40 | ArcanePariah | I'm going to assume that until such time one has a internet connection that can support streaming 1080p video, directly testing things is not practical or feasible. |
| 03:21.42 | Bounty | I think my opinion is worthless when it comes to performance. My games run flawlessly but I do not go too in depth |
| 03:22.01 | Bounty | I think Tessera is the highest performer in terms of framerate |
| 03:22.04 | ArcanePariah | I will try again at work where I have a far better network connection. |
| 03:22.20 | IskatuMesk | in terms of performance I have nothing to worry about from models |
| 03:22.23 | IskatuMesk | unless there's some bone limit |
| 03:22.32 | Bounty | well then you're good |
| 03:22.48 | ArcanePariah | In any case, still useful to use AWS for colloboration of people with varying hardware, the editor performs quite well with a GPU instance, even for terrain editing. |
| 03:22.50 | Bounty | I thought maybe there was some limit in quality |
| 03:22.58 | IskatuMesk | sc2 will happily take 3 dozen 110k tri models with 6x 4x4k textures of textures and only -1fps |
| 03:23.01 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 03:23.20 | IskatuMesk | shaders, you gotta be a bit more careful |
| 03:23.29 | IskatuMesk | something is hosed with their allied cloak shader |
| 03:23.45 | Bounty | The hardest FPS hitter at this time is reflections |
| 03:23.47 | IskatuMesk | and minerals are an fps black hole |
| 03:23.56 | Bounty | it is crazy |
| 03:24.06 | Bounty | for my games at least |
| 03:24.08 | IskatuMesk | and a while back sc2's engine was berated for having horrendeous translucent shadow performance |
| 03:24.09 | IskatuMesk | also the lights |
| 03:24.10 | Bounty | older ones |
| 03:24.22 | IskatuMesk | so basically, I avoid translucent shadows as much as possible and only use brief lights on some big effects |
| 03:24.25 | Bounty | the new shadows look nice >.< |
| 03:24.54 | IskatuMesk | I can use fake lights for most particle effects |
| 03:25.00 | IskatuMesk | depth biased alpha is really great for that |
| 03:25.31 | IskatuMesk | I need to run performance tests on how the game handles numbers of particles |
| 03:25.49 | IskatuMesk | it definitely autoculls particles when it lags, and my current maps lag a lot just from the pathing, so it's not a good test platform for that |
| 03:26.25 | Bounty | I wish I knew what half of the things you said meant |
| 03:26.26 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:26.30 | IskatuMesk | basically |
| 03:26.42 | IskatuMesk | sc2 is fine for anything graphics, I won't run into any gpu related performance most likely |
| 03:26.53 | IskatuMesk | all of my concerns are about the single-threaded monolith aspect |
| 03:27.03 | Bounty | what is that? |
| 03:27.17 | Bounty | you can have multiple threads? |
| 03:27.19 | IskatuMesk | AI and pathing will compete for the single core and destroy performance regardless of graphics settings |
| 03:27.24 | Bounty | oh |
| 03:27.35 | Bounty | data stuff |
| 03:27.35 | IskatuMesk | all of my maps are big and have a lot of units |
| 03:27.39 | IskatuMesk | nah |
| 03:27.44 | IskatuMesk | mostly stuff I can't even change |
| 03:27.59 | IskatuMesk | maybe when JademusSreg looks at the AI he can make some optimizations to it |
| 03:28.10 | IskatuMesk | else I think the only way to make these to perform better is just to have a better cpu |
| 03:28.15 | IskatuMesk | mine is getting kind of dated now |
| 03:28.19 | Bounty | I guess that is why I never ran into performance problems really |
| 03:28.20 | ArcanePariah | If you want a simple and brute force way to improve pathing performance, remove all footprints and hand paint the pathing yourself. |
| 03:28.25 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 03:28.26 | Bounty | I don't use smart pathing |
| 03:28.33 | IskatuMesk | do footprints cause performance troubles? |
| 03:28.42 | JademusSreg | Can, yeah. |
| 03:28.45 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 03:28.46 | IskatuMesk | interesting |
| 03:28.47 | ArcanePariah | It can lead to more complex pathing, more verticies |
| 03:28.51 | JademusSreg | Footprints don't change that. |
| 03:28.51 | Bounty | make mah bubble team colored sugar |
| 03:28.54 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:29.05 | JademusSreg | Hand-painting is more prone to increasing pathing overhead, actuallyt. |
| 03:29.13 | ArcanePariah | Oh? |
| 03:29.41 | JademusSreg | The complexity of the pathing mesh defines the complexity of calculating movement through it. |
| 03:29.56 | ArcanePariah | I would have assumed eliminating small random placees that are pathable but are somewhat bounded by footprints would lead to a more complex pathing map, as opposed to eliminating such things. |
| 03:30.31 | ArcanePariah | Ok, that came out weird. In any case, placing random doodads, sometimes near each other, I would have assumed run the risk of creating random small pockets. |
| 03:30.55 | ArcanePariah | IN any case, read above for my conclusions on using AWS instances for editor |
| 03:31.24 | JademusSreg | In the Footprint data, it has a complexity bar to communicate this aspect; the more complex the shape, which is to say the more points needed to describe its edges, the creater the complexity of the pathing mesh, greather the overhead of navigation. |
| 03:31.32 | JademusSreg | I read, =D |
| 03:31.47 | IskatuMesk | I should probably reduce those to very little for all doodads then |
| 03:32.15 | IskatuMesk | hm |
| 03:32.17 | ArcanePariah | Yes, and I would assume handpainting and making the pathing yourself would better control for that. Instead of multiple footprints for adjacent doodads, just paint the entirety underneath them as non pathable. |
| 03:32.28 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 03:32.31 | JademusSreg | And yeah, your assumption i correct, and for the right reasons, but generally painted pathing has greater freedom to increase complexity, whereas individual footprints are capped. |
| 03:33.13 | ArcanePariah | Then I guess my designer/terrain guy was more restrained. |
| 03:33.29 | JademusSreg | And no, multiple footprints for overlapping doodads don't increase complexity more than painting the exact same area. |
| 03:33.37 | ArcanePariah | Because that's what he did for NOTD 2, both for performance and to eliminate game play issues of cheese spots, and other abnormal behavior arising from complex pathing. |
| 03:33.38 | IskatuMesk | I know lots of places that could be hand painted out |
| 03:34.33 | IskatuMesk | once I get my custom doodads in and the maps more or less start looking final I'll probably do thatr |
| 03:35.12 | JademusSreg | The doodad footprints are baked into the pathing mesh, so the difference is negligible; the actors+doodads themselves will take up a bit of memory, but using them is preferable to hand-painting -everything-. |
| 03:35.25 | IskatuMesk | well |
| 03:35.29 | IskatuMesk | I am thinking mostly of specific areas |
| 03:35.31 | ArcanePariah | Well... depends if you are a college kid with infinite time :D |
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| 03:35.38 | IskatuMesk | like where there are edges of ramps and cliffs with individual trees on them |
| 03:35.45 | MoonEater916 | alright! |
| 03:35.47 | MoonEater916 | Bounty |
| 03:35.50 | JademusSreg | Handpainting is best reserved for closing gaps between doodads to decrease complexity. |
| 03:35.51 | IskatuMesk | there'll be tiny pockets of pathing there |
| 03:35.54 | MoonEater916 | dumb question that i forgot |
| 03:36.04 | IskatuMesk | all I have is time |
| 03:36.08 | IskatuMesk | just gotta be able to focus |
| 03:36.29 | MoonEater916 | jade i forgot the differense in behaviors with scaled and unscaled |
| 03:36.30 | JademusSreg | Arc, nope, because even a college kid with infinite time would rather use object-oriented languages than, say, COBOL. |
| 03:36.36 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:36.43 | JademusSreg | Unless they're using COBOL ironically. |
| 03:36.46 | MoonEater916 | he references cobol |
| 03:36.55 | ArcanePariah | Well yes, there is a difference between detail OCD and masochism |
| 03:37.00 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:37.01 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 03:37.09 | MoonEater916 | anyways |
| 03:37.18 | MoonEater916 | scaled vs unscaled in behaviors |
| 03:37.23 | MoonEater916 | i knew at 1 point |
| 03:37.30 | ArcanePariah | Scaled is affected by multipliers |
| 03:37.30 | MoonEater916 | remember it was kinda important to what im doing now |
| 03:37.33 | ArcanePariah | Unscaled is not |
| 03:37.37 | MoonEater916 | ah |
| 03:37.41 | MoonEater916 | yes important |
| 03:37.41 | JademusSreg | Moon, scaled is for reptiles and fish. |
| 03:37.48 | IskatuMesk | and some mutants |
| 03:37.51 | MoonEater916 | and theres goes jade |
| 03:37.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 03:37.53 | MoonEater916 | u bully |
| 03:37.53 | ArcanePariah | Like JademusSreg |
| 03:37.57 | JademusSreg | Precisely. |
| 03:38.06 | ArcanePariah | Mutant with the real name of Charles Xavier |
| 03:38.08 | MoonEater916 | ...bully |
| 03:38.16 | ArcanePariah | ANd this entire IRC is a figment of his imagination |
| 03:38.23 | IskatuMesk | it happens |
| 03:38.33 | JademusSreg | Naw, solipsism is useless. |
| 03:40.13 | JademusSreg | would love to see the source code for Blizz's social forces pathing. |
| 03:41.27 | IskatuMesk | you like pain, don't you? |
| 03:42.06 | JademusSreg | Yes, I aspire to intimacy with a Mord Sith. |
| 03:45.42 | IskatuMesk | and now, to afk |
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| 03:51.17 | JademusSreg | Dropping more references than Comcast fumbles packets, back-to-back stacking of Chick tracts to DragonCon pamphlets, not slowing flow of apocrypha so ya can unpack it. |
| 03:51.24 | JademusSreg | Yes, that sounds apt. |
| 03:54.33 | Bounty | Comcast.... |
| 03:54.40 | Bounty | feels rage |
| 03:54.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:55.08 | JademusSreg | + However incomplete and oblique, still unerringly accurate. |
| 03:55.13 | Bounty | Used to work for them before my NCU job JademusSreg =P |
| 03:55.17 | JademusSreg | There, that feels better. |
| 03:56.33 | Bounty | also I think I'm just gonna stick with these models for now. If I can find someone who can team color the textures later that will be nice |
| 03:56.33 | JademusSreg | Haha, better or worse than working in an amazon warehouse? |
| 03:56.41 | Bounty | I assume so |
| 03:57.09 | Bounty | I was a temp, got hired and fired a week later from when I was offered the job |
| 03:57.17 | Bounty | while in the hiring process |
| 03:57.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:57.59 | Bounty | Tried to fight it but I could not prove they offered me the job |
| 03:58.21 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:58.31 | Bounty | Was fired for voicing my opinion about certain practices that were inefficient IMO |
| 03:58.39 | Bounty | after being asked to voice my opinion |
| 03:58.46 | JademusSreg | Like I always say, record everything. |
| 03:58.49 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:58.52 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 03:58.54 | Bounty | trust me |
| 03:58.58 | Bounty | I learned that lesson |
| 03:59.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:59.02 | Bounty | if I was wired |
| 03:59.05 | Bounty | swear to god |
| 03:59.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:59.16 | Bounty | get this though JademusSreg |
| 03:59.31 | Bounty | I had a code that was given to me, to use online to apply to a hidden position |
| 03:59.42 | Bounty | bc I was a temp and was being offered a job |
| 03:59.47 | Bounty | apparently that is not enough =P |
| 04:00.16 | Bounty | It actually did come down to "Well, nobody personally offered you a job..." |
| 04:00.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:01.25 | Bounty | and it was a warehouse job, where all your cable boxes come from |
| 04:01.28 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:02.14 | Bounty | ceases drunk talk |
| 04:02.26 | Bounty | I need to come up with at least 10+ power ups |
| 04:02.29 | JademusSreg | Fascinating. |
| 04:04.06 | Bounty | Jade, just don't say anything at all |
| 04:04.07 | Bounty | rofl |
| 04:04.27 | Bounty | You're one word answers are more condescending than your silence :) |
| 04:04.32 | Bounty | Your* |
| 04:07.17 | JademusSreg | Both are equally sincere. |
| 04:07.48 | Bounty | both are equally insulting as well |
| 04:07.58 | Bounty | burrito man |
| 04:08.20 | Bounty | random thought |
| 04:08.30 | Bounty | If we ever did a collaboration project |
| 04:08.34 | Bounty | It should be your avatar |
| 04:08.43 | Bounty | but wrapped in Bounty paper towels |
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| 04:10.12 | grim001 | my brain feels worn out |
| 04:10.16 | Bounty | mmm crash' |
| 04:10.16 | IskatuMesk | I am sweaty |
| 04:10.18 | grim001 | must nap in order to continue coding |
| 04:10.41 | IskatuMesk | how goes the !!science!! jade |
| 04:11.17 | JademusSreg | Excellently. Making unit data for ya. |
| 04:12.34 | IskatuMesk | capital |
| 04:13.05 | JademusSreg | "More than skin deep but less depth than subcutaneous, excellent in making words at people as I am when making their acquaintence, and I say and set precedents in present tense to filter pass a faulty past, the memory processed and perhaps not erased but overwritten, such a procession of assertions deserving of accolades but never given." |
| 04:13.26 | Bounty | .... |
| 04:13.26 | IskatuMesk | oh, we're quoting random shit, now? |
| 04:13.28 | IskatuMesk | prepare thineself |
| 04:14.47 | JademusSreg | Quoting myself, so half-yes. |
| 04:16.41 | Bounty | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subcutaneous |
| 04:16.57 | JademusSreg | Such is my narcissism, I regex my IRC logs to quote-mine -myself-. |
| 04:17.24 | JademusSreg | basks in self-adulation. |
| 04:17.31 | IskatuMesk | I think of that as akin to bathing in one's own feces |
| 04:17.46 | JademusSreg | Yeah, sounds accurate. |
| 04:17.58 | IskatuMesk | I am sure I have something I can quote out of context |
| 04:18.09 | JademusSreg | Best kind. =D |
| 04:19.19 | IskatuMesk | Larry: I never thought I'd get to see your kawaii little face again. So cuuute! |
| 04:19.21 | IskatuMesk | from my campaign |
| 04:19.54 | JademusSreg | D'awww. |
| 04:20.09 | IskatuMesk | most of it is inside jokes though |
| 04:20.43 | Bounty | Speed Pierce Shield Rapid Fire |
| 04:20.47 | Bounty | that is all I got |
| 04:20.48 | JademusSreg | Prefer inside-out jokes, but inside jokes are enjoyable, too. |
| 04:20.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:21.09 | Bounty | walk through walls? |
| 04:21.23 | JademusSreg | Create walls? |
| 04:21.23 | IskatuMesk | Larry: This was a vassal. Destroyed is a difficult term to swallow when it comes to them... a lot like a huge black cock, actually. |
| 04:22.11 | EZS_ | anyone has any idea how to modify auto acquire with behaviors ? |
| 04:22.15 | Bounty | Create walls could work since the shield itself only absorbs 1 hit |
| 04:22.28 | JademusSreg | Best campaign ever. There aren't enough stars in the observable universe to fill the review ratings. |
| 04:22.39 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 04:22.43 | IskatuMesk | I think you will like the dialogue |
| 04:22.45 | IskatuMesk | especially when it's voiced |
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| 04:24.18 | JademusSreg | Roger Ebert wept, finally realized in a searing burst of insight that games and all deliberate human endevours are art, and gave it 2 thumbs up. Up where, can't say, but definitely up. |
| 04:24.32 | IskatuMesk | any crevice is applicable |
| 04:25.10 | IskatuMesk | Oracle: I do not like assumptions, Desler. For one, the word "assumption" contains the word "ass", and this is a strictly cock and balls operation. |
| 04:25.44 | JademusSreg | "But Roger Ebert is dead?" you ask/state/accuse? -THAT- is the cosmicically horrific brilliance of this campaign. |
| 04:26.15 | IskatuMesk | oh don't you worry, we eventually start getting into fuckery like that, too |
| 04:27.45 | IskatuMesk | the only problem is, if we actually finish segment 1, deciding the PC will segment 2 will be incredibly hard because there will be quite a few good choices |
| 04:27.56 | IskatuMesk | and I am not too fond of jumping perspectives |
| 04:28.16 | JademusSreg | Dan Harmon on season 6 of Community moving to Yahoo streaming: “I look forward to bringing our beloved NBC sitcom to a larger audience by moving it online, I vow to dominate our new competition. Rest easy, Big Bang Theory. Look out, Bang Bus!" |
| 04:28.37 | IskatuMesk | lol, yahoo |
| 04:29.00 | JademusSreg | I know, right? |
| 04:30.28 | JademusSreg | Looking forward to a new season of Rick and Morty more than Community, but with Dan Harmon back, could be worth, well, not worth going to Yahoo, but worth obtaining by some unspeakable means. |
| 04:30.49 | IskatuMesk | legitimate east indian business partners |
| 04:31.47 | Bounty | Am I the only one who does not watch TV? |
| 04:32.07 | Bounty | Like I'll watch it if I'm sick |
| 04:32.10 | Bounty | but thats about it |
| 04:32.42 | IskatuMesk | haven't watched tv in like 16 years |
| 04:33.27 | JademusSreg | Watching a television would be silly. |
| 04:34.13 | JademusSreg | Not like it's going anywhere. |
| 04:34.27 | IskatuMesk | you clearly haven't been in canada |
| 04:35.34 | JademusSreg | Does canada have televisions carved from sapient pearwood? |
| 04:35.39 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 04:35.45 | JademusSreg | Bad. Ass. |
| 04:35.48 | IskatuMesk | and used tofu |
| 04:36.06 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:37.12 | IskatuMesk | Acromagnus: Ten thousand years ago, before the Earth was even created, a battle was fought on an ancient world called Eden. Adam was a dick, so he was hung before he ever became a planet. |
| 04:37.58 | IskatuMesk | humans need to have come from planet X |
| 04:38.03 | IskatuMesk | or something equally silly |
| 04:38.10 | IskatuMesk | I haven't figured out some of those details yet |
| 04:43.20 | JademusSreg | Forbidden Planet. The movie. |
| 04:43.46 | JademusSreg | Extracted from it Last Action Hero style. |
| 05:04.49 | dat_eye_socket | JademusSreg, do you still like me? |
| 05:06.21 | JademusSreg | Mostly indifferent, but the feigned insecurity is adorable. |
| 05:10.32 | dat_eye_socket | Nonono |
| 05:10.35 | dat_eye_socket | you said you like me |
| 05:10.45 | dat_eye_socket | I'm also not feining insecurity, I'm mostly bored |
| 05:10.52 | dat_eye_socket | Looking for people to bother with reptitive nonsense. |
| 05:15.02 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 05:17.27 | turtles1 | hi all |
| 05:17.51 | turtles1 | Rock the cabinet results out yet? |
| 05:18.28 | Bounty | nope |
| 05:18.33 | Bounty | they will be out sometime this week |
| 05:18.40 | Bounty | quoting Blizzard on that |
| 05:18.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:21.48 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/vVVznKGM |
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| 05:46.39 | MoonEater | jade u around? |
| 05:47.53 | MoonEater | well for anyone out there theres a critical change scaled bonus in behaviors, i was wondering if it worked and how. i didnt know units by default could crit |
| 05:50.11 | MoonEater | gtg for a bit leave a message |
| 05:50.12 | Bounty | peowza |
| 05:51.59 | turtles1 | I read the whole conversation |
| 05:52.02 | turtles1 | do I get a cookie? |
| 05:53.28 | Bounty | lol turtles1 |
| 05:54.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:13.37 | Merc | morning |
| 06:16.44 | JademusSreg | Hallo Merc. |
| 06:18.09 | Bounty | Herro Merc |
| 06:18.23 | EZS_ | hey |
| 06:18.25 | Bounty | You sexy cupcake with jimmies |
| 06:18.59 | EZS_ | you guys know how to change auto-acquire with an behavior is it possible ? |
| 06:19.08 | EZS_ | or with an effect |
| 06:22.21 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfyT4H_NPw |
| 06:22.22 | Bounty | =P |
| 06:24.04 | Merc | I don't even know what auto-aquire is, dude |
| 06:28.07 | EZS_ | oh you |
| 06:28.15 | EZS_ | acquite enemies |
| 06:28.29 | EZS_ | C&C calls it auto-acquire |
| 06:28.33 | EZS_ | tactical Ai |
| 06:28.48 | EZS_ | it's set to offensive default |
| 06:28.49 | Merc | havent played c&C since red alert |
| 06:29.16 | Merc | oh, like that |
| 06:29.22 | EZS_ | i just can't find it in Behavior Buff |
| 06:29.23 | Merc | maybe change vision radius or something? |
| 06:29.26 | Merc | just make them blind :D |
| 06:29.29 | EZS_ | no jeez |
| 06:29.38 | EZS_ | just disable it for temporary seconds |
| 06:29.51 | EZS_ | i can't find it in behavior buff, dunno what to do |
| 06:31.05 | Merc | well, I'm no expert in data (or anything) |
| 06:31.26 | Merc | if you want help with some models or graphics I might be able to help |
| 06:41.25 | Bounty | Going to take a wild guess and assume he does not need help with either of those things Merc |
| 06:41.38 | Bounty | =P |
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| 06:51.41 | Merc | yup |
| 06:52.16 | EZS_ | well |
| 06:52.26 | EZS_ | still figuring it out |
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| 07:04.21 | Bounty | I think I'm going to have to steal a few power up concepts from Mario Kart |
| 07:04.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:05.14 | EZS_ | http://kotaku.com/shigeru-miyamoto-we-have-an-answer-to-your-question-1597993025 |
| 07:05.39 | EZS_ | METROID PRIME 4 METROID PRIME 4 METROID PRIME 4 METROID PRIME 4 METROID PRIME 4 METROID PRIME 4 |
| 07:07.20 | MoonEater | hola |
| 07:07.42 | MoonEater | lol |
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| 07:08.27 | MoonEater | seriously i dont get why firefox and flash always crash |
| 07:08.28 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 07:08.36 | EZS_ | HA |
| 07:08.40 | EZS_ | im sick of it |
| 07:08.47 | EZS_ | installed chrome and opera |
| 07:09.06 | EZS_ | i had version 19 for a year |
| 07:09.15 | EZS_ | with super tweaks and addosn |
| 07:09.18 | EZS_ | addons |
| 07:09.18 | MoonEater | well i like the privacy policies and plugins |
| 07:09.20 | MoonEater | but ya |
| 07:09.28 | MoonEater | ill proably switch back to chrome |
| 07:09.57 | MoonEater | anyone know anything about critical attacks in behaviors |
| 07:10.02 | EZS_ | im slowly going to build the chrome feel and look like i had in firefox if i can |
| 07:10.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:98f0:a45b:3788:72f1) |
| 07:10.17 | EZS_ | but i'll reinstall firefox too |
| 07:10.23 | EZS_ | basically |
| 07:10.25 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 07:10.33 | EZS_ | i got rid of flash for good |
| 07:10.39 | MoonEater | ya |
| 07:10.41 | EZS_ | but it didn't stop firefox from going crashy |
| 07:10.42 | MoonEater | i hate flash |
| 07:10.44 | EZS_ | totally crashy, |
| 07:10.54 | EZS_ | i installed some weird Firefox portable |
| 07:10.55 | MoonEater | well firefox the newest version looks like chrome |
| 07:10.57 | Bounty | I think Bounty actually managed to drink too much |
| 07:10.57 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:11.05 | MoonEater | and even has native flash support for some stuff |
| 07:11.07 | EZS_ | and it updated my MAIN install to 29 version |
| 07:11.15 | Bounty | Not sick, but not in a place to help others |
| 07:11.18 | EZS_ | screwed up everythingg |
| 07:11.40 | EZS_ | i know it does |
| 07:11.43 | MoonEater | Bounty do u even know alittle about critical attack behavior?> |
| 07:11.50 | EZS_ | i still modify it to look like firefox 4 |
| 07:11.58 | EZS_ | but it was crashing as hell |
| 07:12.07 | Bounty | I honestly only use behaviors as dummies MoonEater |
| 07:12.09 | EZS_ | laggy as hell |
| 07:12.13 | EZS_ | half an hour total lag |
| 07:12.16 | EZS_ | stupid shit |
| 07:12.18 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 07:12.31 | MoonEater | seriously firefox today must have crashed like 8 times |
| 07:12.31 | Bounty | I use them to trigger the creation/ destruction of actors |
| 07:12.37 | Bounty | thats about it |
| 07:12.38 | EZS_ | but it probably was a lot of stuff that filled up with addons |
| 07:12.58 | MoonEater | well how would u increase dmg of a unit? |
| 07:13.01 | MoonEater | via triggers? |
| 07:13.07 | MoonEater | u would use a behavior right? |
| 07:13.19 | Bounty | with a critical hit based on chance? |
| 07:13.45 | Bounty | no, I would use a Real variable that = the chance to critical hit |
| 07:13.54 | Bounty | and whenever someone takes damage from that unit it rolls |
| 07:14.09 | Bounty | Sounds stupid but that is what Blizzard suggested awhile ago |
| 07:14.10 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:17.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater916 (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220) |
| 07:17.34 | MoonEater916 | 9 times |
| 07:17.43 | MoonEater916 | i read most of bounty's messages i think |
| 07:17.58 | MoonEater916 | so bounty how would u do critical hit |
| 07:18.17 | Bounty | [03:13] <Bounty> with a critical hit based on chance? [03:13] <Bounty> no, I would use a Real variable that = the chance to critical hit [03:13] <Bounty> and whenever someone takes damage from that unit it rolls |
| 07:18.28 | Bounty | [03:14] <Bounty> Sounds stupid but that is what Blizzard suggested awhile ago |
| 07:19.05 | MoonEater916 | so u would ignore the built in data features? |
| 07:19.37 | Bounty | unless someone taught me it and it worked within the bounds of which I needed |
| 07:19.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:19.54 | Bounty | that and it really depends on the game |
| 07:20.11 | MoonEater916 | your method wwould work |
| 07:20.14 | Bounty | My games typically don't have tons of units dealing damage to eachother so.... |
| 07:20.18 | Bounty | I can afford it |
| 07:20.24 | MoonEater916 | but curiosity is killing the cat abit here |
| 07:20.32 | MoonEater916 | mine wouldnt either |
| 07:20.44 | Bounty | if I was doing a game with tons of units yeah, I would probably ask for help |
| 07:20.53 | Bounty | as a trigger firing way too much is a bad one |
| 07:21.02 | Bounty | but takes a lot |
| 07:21.02 | MoonEater916 | well |
| 07:21.06 | MoonEater916 | see |
| 07:21.19 | MoonEater916 | once u have 1 unit is attack event |
| 07:21.22 | MoonEater916 | it doesnt matter |
| 07:21.28 | MoonEater916 | what i do when i make a map |
| 07:21.42 | Bounty | I have no idea what you just said honestly |
| 07:21.44 | MoonEater916 | is i make sure no 2 events r the same |
| 07:21.54 | MoonEater916 | theres only 1 map initialization in my game |
| 07:21.57 | Bounty | you on opium? |
| 07:22.05 | MoonEater916 | it goes down a list 1 by 1 |
| 07:22.27 | Bounty | nvm I see what you're saying |
| 07:22.33 | Bounty | 1 event type = 1 trigger |
| 07:22.38 | Bounty | yes? |
| 07:22.50 | MoonEater916 | that runs sub triggers/fuctions yues |
| 07:23.12 | Bounty | yeah that is what I typically do |
| 07:23.19 | MoonEater916 | i need a unit take damage event, so i cant add much more lag that way atleast |
| 07:23.20 | Bounty | so it comes down to |
| 07:23.44 | Bounty | if this is possible in data and if it will be firing enough to be worthy of transferring to data |
| 07:23.47 | MoonEater916 | well for me it comes down to curiosity |
| 07:24.01 | Bounty | I'm sure critical hits are possible in data |
| 07:24.08 | Bounty | I'd say 99% |
| 07:24.11 | MoonEater916 | well theres a field for it in behaviors |
| 07:24.14 | MoonEater916 | and weapons |
| 07:24.16 | MoonEater916 | and such |
| 07:24.19 | Bounty | there ya go |
| 07:24.24 | MoonEater916 | and im making an rpg with luck |
| 07:24.32 | Bounty | silly |
| 07:24.36 | MoonEater916 | and since they all but luck are placing buffs |
| 07:24.39 | Bounty | hang out and get help when needed |
| 07:24.40 | MoonEater916 | i was thinkign oh |
| 07:24.45 | MoonEater916 | but i have no idea how it works |
| 07:24.53 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 07:24.56 | MoonEater916 | to be honest |
| 07:25.02 | MoonEater916 | i think ur idea is better |
| 07:25.08 | Bounty | I learned how to get a model to rotate around a unit, like Mario Kart balloons tonight :) |
| 07:25.08 | MoonEater916 | easy to code |
| 07:25.15 | Bounty | in data |
| 07:25.25 | Bounty | so I would suggest hanging out in IRC |
| 07:25.35 | MoonEater916 | well im goign to bed in a sec |
| 07:25.54 | Bounty | well whenever you're on your PC, login to IRC |
| 07:25.59 | Bounty | helps a bunch |
| 07:26.12 | Bounty | and I would suggest posting a thread on the forums perhaps? |
| 07:26.19 | Bounty | much slower but could not hurt |
| 07:26.22 | MoonEater916 | theres threads im reading through them |
| 07:26.31 | Bounty | ah |
| 07:27.05 | MoonEater916 | my question for somone who knew i can i just add the critical strike field and have it work or do i need to do the whole processes of modifying weapons |
| 07:29.04 | MoonEater916 | the other thing pissing me off is my audio drivers for some reason r crashing |
| 07:30.11 | Bounty | You need to relax brah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOL7iY8kfo |
| 07:30.15 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:31.46 | MoonEater916 | cant hear it lolz |
| 07:31.52 | Bounty | haha |
| 07:31.53 | MoonEater916 | although i stumbled on this |
| 07:31.55 | MoonEater916 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAZmuPcJN_M |
| 07:32.00 | MoonEater916 | interesting |
| 07:32.23 | Bounty | yeah I've seen this |
| 07:32.26 | Bounty | Benny Hill music |
| 07:32.28 | Bounty | shocker |
| 07:33.14 | MoonEater916 | cant hear |
| 07:34.39 | MoonEater916 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFTpUX15MI#t=58 |
| 07:34.55 | MoonEater916 | good old onetwo has a tutorial explaining it |
| 07:34.58 | MoonEater916 | trololol |
| 07:35.49 | MoonEater916 | oh but this tutorial is for the critical strike patch |
| 07:35.50 | MoonEater916 | :/ |
| 07:36.23 | Bounty | psh |
| 07:36.28 | Bounty | I raise you |
| 07:36.29 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y |
| 07:36.57 | Bounty | Cheeh ceeeeeh |
| 07:37.09 | Bounty | or w/e that sound is he makes in the beginning |
| 07:37.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:37.14 | MoonEater916 | i call |
| 07:37.15 | MoonEater916 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM |
| 07:37.29 | Ahli | bounty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDxCBGbfH4 |
| 07:37.43 | Bounty | HALT |
| 07:37.47 | Bounty | MoonEater |
| 07:37.50 | Bounty | Must watch this |
| 07:37.53 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:38.41 | Bounty | <3 Ahli |
| 07:38.43 | Bounty | watching now |
| 07:38.51 | Bounty | with a drink and smoke |
| 07:38.53 | Bounty | like a boss |
| 07:38.59 | Bounty | brb MoonEater |
| 07:39.06 | Bounty | I will see your raise =P |
| 07:39.24 | MoonEater916 | whos this shit? |
| 07:41.21 | MoonEater916 | Ahli |
| 07:41.25 | MoonEater916 | what r u making me watch? |
| 07:41.28 | MoonEater916 | this you? |
| 07:41.50 | JademusSreg | Who the fuck is that? |
| 07:42.10 | MoonEater916 | 1)who is this? 2)why do i care? |
| 07:42.26 | Bounty | I want to punch him in the face |
| 07:42.35 | Ahli | that is chanmanV who was banned on reddit as he used 40+ accounts to push his own content |
| 07:42.40 | Bounty | 3 minutes in |
| 07:42.54 | Bounty | he speaks about trying to get his content viewed.... |
| 07:43.00 | Bounty | then goes back to when he started out |
| 07:43.11 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 07:43.12 | Bounty | Help |
| 07:43.14 | Bounty | I can feel it |
| 07:43.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:43.32 | Bounty | HOLD MEH BAH BUDDAH |
| 07:43.38 | Bounty | Back* |
| 07:44.07 | MoonEater916 | calls stewox to come and hold u back |
| 07:44.13 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:44.17 | Bounty | well played |
| 07:44.40 | Bounty | Although I would prefer Alex Jones since I am more sure of his weight |
| 07:44.54 | MoonEater916 | lolz u may catch fire |
| 07:45.08 | MoonEater916 | calls obama to help hold u back |
| 07:45.09 | Bounty | ok I'm done Ahli |
| 07:45.13 | Bounty | 5 minutes was all I could take |
| 07:45.28 | Bounty | whenever someone goes back into their past to explain the what they just did... bullshit |
| 07:45.45 | Bounty | hes just stretching it out |
| 07:45.45 | MoonEater916 | i lasted a little longer, but interest is low |
| 07:45.51 | MoonEater916 | has no replayability |
| 07:46.21 | Bounty | also |
| 07:46.28 | Bounty | I will actually listen to this song MoonEater |
| 07:46.40 | Bounty | haha |
| 07:46.50 | MoonEater916 | queens? |
| 07:46.51 | Bounty | Don't |
| 07:46.53 | Bounty | Stop me |
| 07:46.55 | Bounty | Noowww |
| 07:46.57 | MoonEater916 | right? |
| 07:47.04 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:47.07 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 07:47.19 | Bounty | I'm a racin car! |
| 07:47.46 | Bounty | 200 degrees thats why they call Mr Fahrenheit |
| 07:47.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:47.58 | MoonEater916 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX4gQOtLAIU |
| 07:48.07 | MoonEater916 | wish it got more popular |
| 07:48.12 | Bounty | slow down mother fucker |
| 07:48.18 | Bounty | I'm "Having a good time" |
| 07:48.21 | MoonEater916 | cause it was interesting |
| 07:48.21 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:48.32 | Ahli | "more like a habital thing" hahaha |
| 07:48.46 | IskatuMesk | people taking reddit seriously |
| 07:48.47 | IskatuMesk | huehuehue |
| 07:48.59 | MoonEater916 | i almost ever goto reddit |
| 07:49.10 | MoonEater916 | i find it boring after 10 min |
| 07:49.23 | Bounty | Eh, I only care because as JadmeusSreg puts it "He is my nemesis |
| 07:49.26 | Bounty | " |
| 07:49.43 | Ahli | reddit is my newsfeed |
| 07:49.53 | Ahli | I don't know what the tabs other than new are for ;D |
| 07:49.55 | Bounty | also that video sucks, the power overwhelming one |
| 07:50.16 | MoonEater916 | i like the game |
| 07:50.29 | MoonEater916 | it was ahead of the curve when it came out but never got popular |
| 07:50.34 | Bounty | so |
| 07:50.39 | Bounty | I see you MoonEater https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmk |
| 07:51.09 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:51.21 | Bounty | yeah the game was way ahead |
| 07:51.22 | MoonEater916 | god damn im old |
| 07:51.33 | Bounty | I'm 28 |
| 07:51.37 | Bounty | you older? |
| 07:51.41 | MoonEater916 | well for what was available when it came out |
| 07:51.44 | MoonEater916 | younger |
| 07:51.46 | MoonEater916 | im 25 |
| 07:51.48 | Bounty | ok then |
| 07:51.58 | Bounty | fuck I"M old |
| 07:52.29 | Bounty | and since you doubled up |
| 07:52.35 | Bounty | I will double as well |
| 07:52.36 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0 |
| 07:53.08 | MoonEater916 | nigga.. i called did you just change this from poker to black jack? |
| 07:53.16 | Bounty | nigga I never played poker |
| 07:53.21 | Bounty | I'm just making this shit up |
| 07:53.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:53.31 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 07:53.43 | MoonEater916 | Then i lay down my cards |
| 07:53.53 | MoonEater916 | CHECK MATE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg&feature=kp |
| 07:54.05 | Bounty | o0o |
| 07:54.07 | Bounty | hmm |
| 07:54.09 | MoonEater916 | u communist fuck |
| 07:54.11 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 07:54.50 | Bounty | well now I have too just for the sake of staying in character |
| 07:54.53 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ7hXMLxGc |
| 07:55.08 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:55.35 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:55.38 | MoonEater916 | bounty, 1) update haunted forest you 2) make a communist game that goes sideways at the end |
| 07:55.41 | Ahli | y u no hell march? |
| 07:55.55 | MoonEater916 | its not russian enough for bounty |
| 07:56.03 | Bounty | Way too known Ahli |
| 07:56.10 | Bounty | This is a good song as well |
| 07:56.20 | MoonEater916 | i think theres a russian version of hell march tho |
| 07:56.35 | MoonEater916 | i like the old songs like mud |
| 07:56.45 | Bounty | Actually |
| 07:56.49 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/9jxKi2L.gif |
| 07:56.54 | Bounty | There is an entire Soviet Union march synced to hell march video |
| 07:56.57 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omm3QPMqyjc |
| 07:57.19 | Ahli | hot pants, breasts and bears... ea at its finest |
| 07:57.21 | Bounty | Just another reason to fear China Merc |
| 07:57.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:57.59 | MoonEater916 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Rs3Jh-djQ |
| 07:58.24 | Bounty | I have to admit I only ever played the original Red Alert on PS1 |
| 07:58.29 | Bounty | =/ |
| 07:58.41 | MoonEater916 | fear china? |
| 07:58.45 | MoonEater916 | how does he have balls |
| 07:58.46 | Bounty | good song MoonEater |
| 07:58.53 | MoonEater916 | why is his pants soo tight |
| 07:59.02 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 07:59.11 | Bounty | So he can sneak into your home and execute you |
| 07:59.11 | MoonEater916 | i like my room |
| 07:59.42 | Bounty | while simultaneously constructing an Iphone |
| 08:00.12 | MoonEater916 | then commit suidicde (there was a thing about them commiting suicide in the news |
| 08:00.33 | MoonEater916 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4DZQhfrl5Y |
| 08:00.34 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 08:00.37 | MoonEater916 | these girls |
| 08:00.40 | Bounty | well yeah, at the factories that some of them live at |
| 08:01.00 | Bounty | haha, you laugh? |
| 08:01.05 | Bounty | that is organization my friend =P |
| 08:01.13 | Bounty | crazy |
| 08:01.46 | MoonEater916 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH_064Sqjh0 LOLZ hell march to north korea |
| 08:02.00 | Bounty | I could not even be that consistent in rock band drums |
| 08:02.13 | Bounty | yeah I've seen em all |
| 08:02.14 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:02.30 | Bounty | although North Koreas was the only one that was edited |
| 08:02.36 | Bounty | slow mo |
| 08:02.40 | MoonEater916 | naw |
| 08:02.46 | MoonEater916 | i bet u the russian one was 2 |
| 08:02.50 | MoonEater916 | just not as badly |
| 08:02.56 | Bounty | it was not edited for speed |
| 08:03.00 | MoonEater916 | like x.8 |
| 08:03.15 | Bounty | the North Korea once is insanely slowed down |
| 08:03.19 | Bounty | if you saw it at normal speed |
| 08:03.27 | Bounty | you would expect a rainbow cat to appear somewhere |
| 08:03.48 | Bounty | Its like a Nazi Dubstep |
| 08:04.13 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 08:04.23 | MoonEater916 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lTd5LpB6Ao fucxk yes |
| 08:04.49 | Bounty | I'll take video that are old as fuck for 1 billion Alex |
| 08:05.05 | dat_eye_socket | JademusSreg, do you think Ahli still loves me? |
| 08:05.39 | Merc | Ahli loves all. |
| 08:05.50 | MoonEater916 | no |
| 08:05.51 | MoonEater916 | there is 1 |
| 08:05.56 | Bounty | I concur |
| 08:05.59 | MoonEater916 | legend has it long ago |
| 08:06.02 | MoonEater916 | there was a man |
| 08:06.06 | MoonEater916 | named stewox |
| 08:06.11 | MoonEater916 | who he hated |
| 08:06.12 | dat_eye_socket | Not named Duke Nukem? |
| 08:06.13 | MoonEater916 | and murdered |
| 08:06.14 | dat_eye_socket | whom* |
| 08:06.16 | dat_eye_socket | WHOM |
| 08:06.27 | dat_eye_socket | You piece of swine, lern2English |
| 08:06.28 | MoonEater916 | u can still hear his cryes if u r in the channel alone at night |
| 08:06.31 | Bounty | Stewox Grifton |
| 08:06.41 | dat_eye_socket | Is it that hard whom is the object, who the subject. |
| 08:06.42 | MoonEater916 | calling for the government to stop putting floride in water |
| 08:07.03 | Bounty | Legend has it he could defecate from his mouth |
| 08:07.23 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:07.37 | MoonEater916 | i like the guy |
| 08:08.19 | Bounty | I don't think anyone hates him |
| 08:08.32 | Bounty | hate is a wrong word, as the wife once reminded me |
| 08:09.26 | MoonEater916 | ya thats right, u cant hate a communist can you? |
| 08:09.39 | Bounty | I'm not a communist dumbass =P |
| 08:11.10 | MoonEater916 | u know |
| 08:11.18 | MoonEater916 | i would belive you......... |
| 08:11.19 | Merc | he's a social anarcist |
| 08:11.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:11.44 | Bounty | actually |
| 08:11.45 | MoonEater916 | but sometimes.... the things your say.... just cant help but inform you |
| 08:11.52 | Bounty | That might be more accurate Merc =/ |
| 08:11.55 | Bounty | still not 100% |
| 08:12.15 | Bounty | in that I don't believe in anarchy NOW |
| 08:12.16 | Merc | socialist libertarian? |
| 08:12.17 | Merc | :D |
| 08:12.27 | MoonEater916 | and then.... welll jade busted you out.... with some quotes frooooom waaay back |
| 08:12.35 | MoonEater916 | and that kinda just sealed the deal, |
| 08:12.39 | MoonEater916 | just own it you know |
| 08:13.02 | Bounty | the smallest government possible while weeding out those who do not want to work and making sure those who do can earn a living |
| 08:13.14 | Bounty | its a utopian idea |
| 08:13.19 | Bounty | not really possible |
| 08:13.53 | Merc | "weeding out" |
| 08:14.02 | MoonEater916 | JAAAAAADDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 08:14.05 | Bounty | yeah, simple |
| 08:14.09 | Bounty | no welfare |
| 08:14.10 | MoonEater916 | we need those quotes |
| 08:14.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:14.15 | MoonEater916 | put this dude back in the box |
| 08:14.33 | Bounty | Assuming that there we jobs available for everyone |
| 08:14.48 | Bounty | those who just refuse to work... ? |
| 08:15.09 | Bounty | again, its a utopia based idea |
| 08:15.31 | Merc | almost sounds dystopic |
| 08:15.58 | Bounty | not really, but AGAIN |
| 08:16.06 | Bounty | utopia, in my mind lol |
| 08:16.11 | Bounty | everyone has their own ideas |
| 08:16.54 | Merc | is this were I envoke the law of Godwin? :D |
| 08:17.15 | MoonEater916 | ya sure utopia is in my mind, aslong as theres alot of heroine also |
| 08:17.29 | Bounty | sure Merc? I don't actually believe this is possible |
| 08:18.26 | Merc | "utopia in my mind. Everyone has their own ideas" |
| 08:18.28 | Bounty | although it would help in the transition to becoming a benevolent species |
| 08:18.30 | Merc | "just like Hitler" |
| 08:18.49 | Merc | he was just a man with a dream |
| 08:18.55 | Bounty | dude |
| 08:19.00 | Bounty | I'm done with this conv |
| 08:19.02 | Bounty | convo* |
| 08:19.02 | Merc | :D |
| 08:19.05 | Bounty | I see where this is going rofl |
| 08:19.14 | Bounty | and its bullshit btw and you know it |
| 08:19.17 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:19.17 | Merc | but it's getting fuuun |
| 08:19.30 | Merc | he was weeding out the people who didn't fit his ideal too! |
| 08:19.38 | Bounty | why no argue towards a better solution for once? |
| 08:19.52 | Bounty | ok? I specified though |
| 08:20.00 | Bounty | If the system had jobs for all |
| 08:20.09 | Bounty | let those who do not want to work go |
| 08:20.40 | Bounty | differentiate |
| 08:20.45 | Bounty | very simple |
| 08:21.09 | Bounty | If you can earn a living at a job and still don't want to work... really? |
| 08:21.23 | Bounty | aka living etc |
| 08:21.28 | Bounty | living wage* |
| 08:21.32 | MoonEater916 | bounty do u still wonder why i call u communist? |
| 08:21.42 | Bounty | yeah I do actually lol |
| 08:21.57 | MoonEater916 | alright im off to bed |
| 08:21.59 | Bounty | you seem to think I believe in total government control lead by me? |
| 08:22.05 | Bounty | or something like that |
| 08:22.10 | Bounty | night =P |
| 08:25.32 | Bounty | You don't have any sort of utopian idea Merc? |
| 08:25.39 | Bounty | even if its silly |
| 08:32.46 | Merc | oh sure, but it relies on abundance |
| 08:33.15 | Bounty | so does mine? lol |
| 08:33.35 | Bounty | Mine is probably more of a transition towards yours |
| 08:33.42 | Merc | and it's not really idealistic, I just like to speculate what will happen |
| 08:33.43 | Bounty | I am curious though, what is it? |
| 08:33.50 | Bounty | same |
| 08:34.07 | Bounty | so lets hear it :) |
| 08:34.20 | Merc | abundance of energy |
| 08:34.28 | Merc | self reliant AI that controls workforce |
| 08:34.49 | Bounty | go on |
| 08:34.58 | Merc | most work by humans would be abundant, apart from engineering and administration |
| 08:35.23 | Merc | abundant+ |
| 08:35.25 | Merc | redundant- |
| 08:35.28 | Bounty | science? |
| 08:35.41 | Bounty | discovery/exploration? |
| 08:35.47 | Bounty | robots or human? |
| 08:35.54 | Merc | well yea, human beings would end up focusing more on arts and science instead |
| 08:36.03 | Bounty | Ah |
| 08:36.08 | Merc | bettering of self, instead of dronelike work |
| 08:36.21 | Bounty | yeah, yours is pretty much what I would like mine to lead to |
| 08:36.24 | Merc | and that seems sort of utopian |
| 08:36.25 | Bounty | I tend to focus on the middle |
| 08:36.36 | Bounty | its possible |
| 08:36.45 | Bounty | its just a matter of what the middle is really |
| 08:37.01 | Merc | the middle is whatever does the job |
| 08:37.09 | Bounty | no shit? |
| 08:37.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:37.17 | Merc | we're already on the path |
| 08:37.26 | Bounty | how so? |
| 08:37.28 | Merc | there could be more effective paths, maybe |
| 08:37.48 | Merc | well, technologies are advancing every day |
| 08:37.54 | Bounty | We seem to be leaning towards Socialism with a mix of Fascism |
| 08:38.05 | Merc | wut |
| 08:38.12 | Bounty | ? |
| 08:38.24 | Merc | world wide, or the states, or what |
| 08:38.28 | Bounty | states |
| 08:38.33 | Bounty | sorry |
| 08:38.44 | Bounty | My American side got the better of me |
| 08:38.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:39.09 | Merc | I always think it's funny to see americans saying the states are becoming socialist and stuff |
| 08:39.30 | Bounty | we are? |
| 08:39.43 | Merc | if the liberal party took over in norway, they would be the most right wing government we'd have to day |
| 08:39.47 | Merc | to date* |
| 08:40.11 | Bounty | also don't forget I mentioned Fascism |
| 08:40.17 | Bounty | the combination of the two |
| 08:40.30 | Bounty | Which is quite interesting if you think about it |
| 08:40.41 | Merc | I dont see that at all |
| 08:41.06 | Bounty | Corporations + Government working together? |
| 08:41.15 | Bounty | You don't see that at all in the states? |
| 08:41.18 | phallic_elbegast | Merc, well 'liberal' in Europe often means oeconomic liberty, not social liberty. |
| 08:41.24 | phallic_elbegast | Which is what the yanks mean with it. |
| 08:41.33 | phallic_elbegast | Because they always need thier own special terms. |
| 08:41.38 | phallic_elbegast | Can't call it Zed like everyone else, oh noo |
| 08:41.51 | Merc | lol |
| 08:41.52 | phallic_elbegast | And why call a sport played with feet and a ball football? Noo, we need a special term like soccer. |
| 08:42.04 | Bounty | yeah sorry we have diff words |
| 08:42.08 | phallic_elbegast | Because we like to name a sport played with hands and an ovoid football instead. |
| 08:42.31 | phallic_elbegast | Also, what is this "elevator", it's called a lift everwhere else. |
| 08:42.41 | Bounty | yeah you know, all countries that speak english use the same words the same way |
| 08:42.54 | Bounty | *cough* |
| 08:42.58 | Merc | seems to be the government and corporations have always been going hand in hand in the states, it's just more obvious now |
| 08:43.11 | Bounty | ok then Merc |
| 08:43.14 | phallic_elbegast | THat'swhat you get with a two party system |
| 08:43.16 | Bounty | that is Fascism lol |
| 08:43.17 | phallic_elbegast | you can buy both parties. |
| 08:43.22 | Bounty | so |
| 08:43.24 | phallic_elbegast | If you have 15 like here, that becomes harder. |
| 08:43.26 | Bounty | think about it |
| 08:43.31 | Merc | oligarchy |
| 08:43.43 | phallic_elbegast | I like how all these big companies sponsor both the republican candidate, and his direct opponent, the democrat. |
| 08:43.48 | phallic_elbegast | Why would you sponsor someone and his opponent |
| 08:43.50 | phallic_elbegast | that makes no sense. |
| 08:43.54 | Bounty | elements of Socialism + Fascism = awesome |
| 08:43.58 | phallic_elbegast | Except that you want to buy them both, whoever wins. |
| 08:44.03 | Bounty | if you were involved |
| 08:44.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:44.30 | Merc | I don't understand how companies can sponsor political parties at all :D |
| 08:44.39 | Bounty | Its not hard here |
| 08:44.44 | Bounty | Money = Free Speech now |
| 08:44.47 | Bounty | :) |
| 08:44.55 | Bounty | Corporations are people |
| 08:44.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:45.08 | Merc | free speech is still free speech |
| 08:45.16 | Merc | but if you have money / power, more people can hear you |
| 08:45.20 | Merc | always been like that |
| 08:45.23 | Bounty | no |
| 08:45.26 | Merc | it's not like that "now" |
| 08:45.28 | Bounty | It was only recently made that way |
| 08:45.31 | Bounty | in the US |
| 08:45.35 | Merc | it's less like that now |
| 08:45.39 | Bounty | a few months ago |
| 08:45.44 | Merc | internet gives a voice to more people |
| 08:45.49 | Bounty | Court ruled it constitutional |
| 08:45.53 | phallic_elbegast | Merc, anyone can, therefore companies too. |
| 08:46.01 | Bounty | Problem is Merc |
| 08:46.05 | phallic_elbegast | I don't understand how politicial campaigns are even legal like that |
| 08:46.19 | Bounty | US is trying to recategorize internet providers |
| 08:46.20 | Merc | in the past, only the people with money or power could make themselves heard on the largest platforms |
| 08:46.22 | phallic_elbegast | every candidate should just be alloted extactly the same time on TV and a space on the billboads and that shouldbe it. |
| 08:46.26 | phallic_elbegast | HEY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS HERE. |
| 08:46.46 | phallic_elbegast | Every election there are billboards and every party is on each, and they can't make any extra ads, though the internet sort of ruined this idea. |
| 08:47.13 | Bounty | Problem here is, and I'm not sure about other countries but here the internet does not vote lol |
| 08:47.20 | Bounty | BUT |
| 08:47.23 | Bounty | can't blame them |
| 08:47.25 | Bounty | 2 parties |
| 08:47.31 | Bounty | paper of plastic |
| 08:47.35 | Bounty | or* |
| 08:48.12 | Merc | I feel like that's your real problem right there |
| 08:48.16 | Merc | the two party system |
| 08:48.22 | Bounty | It is Merc |
| 08:48.26 | Merc | pick between Jack or John |
| 08:48.40 | Bounty | Jack or Jackoff atm |
| 08:48.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:49.00 | Bounty | but yeah, no party system imo |
| 08:49.28 | Bounty | I think peoples opinions can't be summed up within 2 other people that just so happen to be nominated for President |
| 08:49.38 | Bounty | call me Stewox |
| 08:49.40 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:49.57 | Merc | it just leads to group polarization |
| 08:50.23 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 08:50.29 | Bounty | Tribal mentality |
| 08:51.09 | Bounty | Which is why you have things like "countries" |
| 08:51.14 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 08:51.14 | Merc | tribal mentality has nothing to do with that |
| 08:51.27 | Merc | except that it's a constant factor |
| 08:51.36 | Bounty | a sharp division, as of a population or group, into opposing factions. |
| 08:51.42 | Merc | group polarization is an extreme result of it, maybe |
| 08:52.15 | Bounty | mmmhmm |
| 08:52.40 | Bounty | beat enough stuff into a childs head and he will maintain most of it |
| 08:52.47 | Bounty | for the most part |
| 08:52.49 | Bounty | not 100% of course |
| 08:53.16 | Merc | the two party system fuels the fire, basically |
| 08:53.24 | Bounty | it does |
| 08:53.42 | Merc | tribal mentality will always be there no matter the political system |
| 08:53.43 | Bounty | even if everyone loves the third party, nobody will vote for him because either hes not in their party of because they don't think he can win |
| 08:54.01 | Bounty | I would refrain from using the word "always" |
| 08:54.08 | Bounty | Way too certain |
| 08:54.46 | Merc | possibly |
| 08:55.08 | Bounty | Since we no longer have a sort of "forced" evolution |
| 08:55.17 | Bounty | its really dependent on our society |
| 08:55.24 | Merc | depends how long it takes to ween us off the instincts that drive it |
| 08:55.39 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:55.47 | Bounty | which is why I only talk about Utopia Merc |
| 08:55.54 | Bounty | I have no idea how to get there |
| 08:55.55 | Bounty | rofl |
| 08:56.07 | Bounty | Just thoughts really |
| 08:56.27 | Merc | pretty sure utopia means "place that cannot be" |
| 08:57.06 | Bounty | I'm sure they said that about North America when it was undiscovered, or the moon |
| 08:57.13 | Bounty | discovered* |
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| 08:57.43 | Merc | no I mean the word Utopia literally means a place that cannot exist |
| 08:57.51 | Bounty | : an imaginary and indefinitely remote place 2 often capitalized : a place of ideal perfection especially in laws, government, and social conditions 3 : an impractical scheme for social improvement |
| 08:58.07 | Bounty | yeah but if you lived 1-200 years ago |
| 08:58.14 | Bounty | right now would be a utopia to you |
| 08:58.21 | Bounty | so... |
| 08:58.47 | Merc | it would sound like an utopia maybe |
| 08:58.58 | Merc | but we're quite aware that it's not |
| 08:59.02 | Merc | so... |
| 08:59.14 | Bounty | tell that to someone who lived during the time of Jebus |
| 08:59.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:59.25 | Bounty | I don't think they would give a fuck |
| 08:59.50 | Bounty | I am expressing a positive outlook here =P |
| 09:00.19 | Bounty | In that, perhaps people will say the same about our time in the future when they think things are looking shitty? |
| 09:00.23 | Merc | my point is that a utopia cant exist |
| 09:00.29 | Merc | people will always be dissatisfied |
| 09:00.40 | Bounty | Again |
| 09:00.45 | Bounty | refrain from the use of those words |
| 09:01.07 | Merc | I will always use always |
| 09:01.16 | Merc | and never say never |
| 09:01.18 | Bounty | Remember, the universe is vast and has been around for much longer than us and will continue too |
| 09:01.31 | Bounty | "always be" |
| 09:01.33 | Bounty | = |
| 09:01.37 | Bounty | never change |
| 09:01.45 | Bounty | silly rabbit |
| 09:01.55 | Merc | so, here I am nitpicking on your use of utopia, and you are nitpicking on my use of always |
| 09:02.12 | Bounty | I think mine makes more sense |
| 09:02.21 | Bounty | Utopia is just a dream we can have |
| 09:02.26 | Bounty | no impossible |
| 09:02.29 | Bounty | but still just a dream |
| 09:02.35 | Bounty | not* |
| 09:03.17 | Bounty | This would be a good case in which to admit ignorance |
| 09:03.24 | Merc | there will never be a utopian society because people will always find something to nitpick at :D |
| 09:03.51 | Bounty | heh |
| 09:04.00 | Bounty | well you enjoy that outlook |
| 09:04.01 | Bounty | =P |
| 09:04.08 | Merc | we always have in the past, there's no sign that we won't in the future |
| 09:04.26 | Merc | my outlook is that things will always get better |
| 09:04.30 | Bounty | Yeah because you know everything about the past, yes? |
| 09:04.31 | Merc | that's pretty positive |
| 09:05.07 | Bounty | I'm sure we have always been a society based on the individual... |
| 09:05.10 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:05.16 | Merc | I do not know of any utopia in the past |
| 09:05.30 | Bounty | I never said there was one |
| 09:05.32 | Bounty | we both agreed |
| 09:05.41 | Bounty | Utopia requires abundance |
| 09:06.07 | Bounty | But don't sit there and say that you can't have a society that is not based on the individual ever lol |
| 09:06.38 | Bounty | We don't know |
| 09:06.39 | Merc | when did we start talking about a society not based on the individual |
| 09:06.44 | Bounty | We've been around for a loooong time |
| 09:07.00 | Bounty | You want to take it this far? lol |
| 09:07.04 | Bounty | I will gladly research this |
| 09:07.16 | Merc | not even sure what we're talking about anymore |
| 09:07.24 | Bounty | and if my findings return in my favor, will you admit defeat? =P |
| 09:07.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:08.00 | Bounty | I think we're discussing whether or not humans have always been a selfish species |
| 09:08.54 | Merc | I'm just saying there can't be an utopia because some people won't be happy with it |
| 09:09.07 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:09.14 | Merc | someone will end up having more than others, and others will not appreciate it |
| 09:09.27 | Bounty | but what I am saying is that you're literally attempting to predict the future until the end of human kind |
| 09:09.42 | Bounty | although, I could be wrong as well |
| 09:09.49 | Bounty | its by default a stalemate |
| 09:10.04 | Bounty | can be discussed for fun but nobody can say "This is how it is" |
| 09:10.18 | Merc | if we ever evolve to not have basic human faults anymore, I think it's safe to say we're technically a different species |
| 09:10.33 | Merc | homo sapiens sapiens sapiens |
| 09:10.39 | Bounty | whatever |
| 09:10.41 | Bounty | conversation over |
| 09:10.46 | Bounty | no point |
| 09:10.46 | Merc | sure :P |
| 09:10.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:10.59 | Merc | I'm glad you finally got my point :D |
| 09:11.06 | Bounty | nope |
| 09:11.14 | Bounty | you won't admit it |
| 09:11.25 | Merc | hey you're the one who said "no point" |
| 09:11.30 | Merc | it's all speculation anyway |
| 09:11.37 | Bounty | no point in discussing it I meant |
| 09:11.45 | Merc | I just go for the status quo |
| 09:11.56 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 09:12.04 | Bounty | thats not very fun |
| 09:12.12 | Bounty | as you said, and asked for =P |
| 09:12.12 | Merc | it's ... |
| 09:12.15 | Merc | --- |
| 09:12.17 | Merc | wait for it |
| 09:12.18 | Merc | --- |
| 09:12.22 | Merc | *realistic* |
| 09:12.36 | Bounty | smells jimmies |
| 09:12.43 | Merc | giggles |
| 09:12.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:16.39 | Bounty | So uh, I made this tonight Merc thanks to Ahli https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68108247/Ballooza.mp4 |
| 09:16.49 | Bounty | Mario Kart style life display! |
| 09:16.55 | A1win | still no top 10? |
| 09:17.19 | Bounty | It will be announced sometime this week A1win |
| 09:17.27 | Bounty | That is what Traysent said |
| 09:17.32 | A1win | alright |
| 09:17.47 | Ahli | k, so friday at 4pm |
| 09:17.58 | Bounty | Or Saturday @11:59pm |
| 09:18.09 | Merc | sweet rotating orbs |
| 09:18.30 | Bounty | each one will pop when you're hit Merc |
| 09:18.36 | Bounty | like Mario Kart |
| 09:18.37 | Bounty | =P |
| 09:18.52 | Bounty | Just need to come up with some awesome power ups.... |
| 09:18.53 | Merc | never played mario kart |
| 09:19.18 | Bounty | Thats fine Merc, just pretend I never said anything and that my idea is unique and original |
| 09:19.20 | A1win | it has orbs that pop when you're hit like in Bounty's video |
| 09:19.22 | A1win | ;o |
| 09:19.35 | Bounty | shh A1win |
| 09:19.39 | Bounty | He doesn't know |
| 09:19.41 | Merc | ;9 |
| 09:19.48 | Merc | HOW REALISTIC |
| 09:19.58 | Bounty | eh |
| 09:20.02 | Merc | couldnt help myself |
| 09:20.20 | Bounty | Its more of a jimmie like concept |
| 09:20.34 | Merc | touché |
| 09:21.07 | Bounty | You know you really can use that word in almost any sentence of form (noun, verb etc) and everyone gets it |
| 09:21.26 | Bounty | I think we're onto something |
| 09:22.18 | Bounty | Well, |
| 09:22.24 | Bounty | Apparently not Merc and A1win |
| 09:22.26 | Bounty | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jimmied |
| 09:22.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:23.22 | Bounty | I kinda feel weird for some of the sentences in which I have used it over the last few days..... |
| 09:23.48 | A1win | well it has 8 different definitions on UD |
| 09:23.59 | A1win | or more |
| 09:24.06 | Bounty | I think that one is enough to never use it again A1win |
| 09:24.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:24.16 | A1win | ;x |
| 09:24.37 | Bounty | "The sexual act of ejaculating on someone's face and immediately throwing a fistful of confectioners sprinkles (jimmies) in their face causing them to stick to the ejaculate." |
| 09:24.39 | Bounty | like... |
| 09:24.47 | Bounty | I can't stop laughing? |
| 09:25.56 | A1win | quite the usual |
| 09:26.02 | Bounty | I need to smoke to calm down |
| 09:26.17 | Bounty | The amount of times I said I jimmied someone in this IRC over the last 48 hours... |
| 09:26.24 | Bounty | I... |
| 09:26.26 | Bounty | Just |
| 09:26.27 | Bounty | brb |
| 09:30.54 | Bounty | back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-4VGfx5lU |
| 09:30.57 | Bounty | mmm |
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| 09:54.46 | phallic_elbegast | A1win, |
| 09:54.51 | phallic_elbegast | why does Ahli not like me any more. |
| 09:54.54 | phallic_elbegast | We used to be best friends. |
| 10:01.48 | Bounty | Ahli loves all |
| 10:03.21 | Merc | Ahli is love |
| 10:14.14 | Bounty | Night all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyiT_DGREA |
| 10:14.16 | Bounty | lol =P |
| 10:29.06 | phallic_elbegast | JademusSreg, what is your opinion on contemporary homo-erotica? |
| 10:30.53 | Merc | not enough dicks |
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| 10:48.41 | Bounty | Man... |
| 10:48.45 | Bounty | Its TOO hot to fucking sleep |
| 10:48.47 | Bounty | :( |
| 11:03.38 | Ahli | better drink some more |
| 11:06.01 | Bounty | Hay! |
| 11:06.10 | Bounty | That is not very nice =P |
| 11:19.09 | Ahli | yess, I had a shower with warm water |
| 11:19.21 | Ahli | what a glorious day |
| 11:27.21 | IskatuMesk | you got a nice ass |
| 11:34.33 | Bounty | gasps at the usage of the word "ass" by IskatuMesk |
| 11:34.48 | Bounty | Evolved from butts I see |
| 11:34.53 | Bounty | Sleep Round 2 |
| 12:44.28 | IskatuMesk | sc2 doesn't support picture in picture, right? |
| 12:44.41 | IskatuMesk | I can probably cheat using custom portraits |
| 12:44.47 | A1win | it supports render to texture |
| 12:45.25 | A1win | I think some people here were doing some picture in picture workarounds with RTT and UI models |
| 12:45.32 | A1win | not sure how far they got with it |
| 12:45.53 | IskatuMesk | was thinking of giving bosses some special transmission when they activate with PiP animations |
| 12:45.54 | grim001 | framerate 1100 -> 1300 |
| 12:46.02 | grim001 | and with that I am done with the optimizations |
| 12:46.25 | grim001 | 412% of the original speed for the same scene is not bad |
| 12:46.31 | grim001 | without mangling the code |
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| 14:43.45 | EZS_ | still not getting default acquire level ... |
| 14:49.20 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Good morning |
| 14:52.55 | Merc | alright, I have a question about something possibly stupid I am doing |
| 14:53.59 | Merc | I am adding blood splats for the ground whenever I have a unit dying (can I set the term to be eviscerate deaths only?) and I'm wondering if this will make everything horribly laggy since they tend to stick around or can I make them disappear after some time? |
| 14:57.01 | Merc | probably no way of knowing until I test it thoroughly |
| 15:00.35 | pirate | creating endless actors is generally bad |
| 15:01.22 | Merc | that's what I was afraid of |
| 15:01.32 | pirate | but it's easy to 'garbage' collect them |
| 15:02.00 | Merc | reckon there's a way to kill them after a minute or so? |
| 15:02.06 | pirate | very easily |
| 15:02.42 | Merc | are there any limits to how many actors should be on a map at a given time? |
| 15:02.51 | Merc | will they lag the game even off screen? |
| 15:03.13 | pirate | yes, but actors dont lag nearly as much as units |
| 15:03.19 | pirate | also depends on the model used |
| 15:03.30 | Merc | it's a tiny low res splat |
| 15:03.34 | pirate | things with particle effects, etc, are more demanding |
| 15:03.36 | A1win | some models have built-in lights, like many explosions and missiles |
| 15:03.42 | pirate | ^^ |
| 15:03.44 | pirate | lights |
| 15:04.32 | pirate | covering the entire map with a grid of simple blank textured geometric splats should cause no noticeable performance difference |
| 15:05.03 | Merc | cool |
| 15:05.20 | Merc | should be easy enough to remove it anyway |
| 15:05.27 | Merc | gonna keep at it meanwhile |
| 15:13.26 | Merc | was there a way to make sure only certain death causes spawned the actor btw? |
| 15:13.41 | Merc | I only see "UnitDeath Custom" as an alternative under events |
| 15:16.27 | pirate | IIRC you can set additional actors to be created on specific deaths via the DeathEffects field |
| 15:18.13 | Merc | ok thanks, will look |
| 15:24.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:27.15 | Merc | can't seem to find a DeathEffects field, should I be looking at the unit actor? |
| 15:27.22 | pirate | yes |
| 15:31.39 | IskatuMesk | headphones picked a good time to die |
| 15:33.07 | JademusSreg | Klingon headphones. |
| 15:34.24 | IskatuMesk | right at the time of super high heat so insane fan noise, and right when I really can't afford to spend any money because I'll have to pay for two houses of rent and damage deposits if we find a place to move to |
| 15:34.44 | Merc | stereo is an effect best served cold |
| 15:34.52 | IskatuMesk | lol |
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| 15:37.17 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 15:38.47 | JademusSreg | Potential revenue source: organ sales. Well, sales positions require quite a lot of aggressive proselytizing, so perhaps organ harvesting. |
| 15:39.26 | IskatuMesk | I should have probably pursued writing when I could still do it |
| 15:39.51 | IskatuMesk | ah well |
| 15:39.53 | IskatuMesk | nothing I can do now |
| 15:42.34 | JademusSreg | Just don't go out like Nietzsche. Which is to say don't go catatonic and let people put fucking mustaches on you. =D |
| 15:43.46 | IskatuMesk | this has been such a shitty year |
| 15:44.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 15:45.07 | IskatuMesk | ended last year with pneumonia and have spent literally the entirety of this year in a non-stop battle to save a cat's eyes, and finally when things are sort of looking ok we just get evicted |
| 15:45.25 | Merc | :( |
| 15:45.50 | JademusSreg | What caused the eviction? |
| 15:45.58 | IskatuMesk | landlords decided to move in |
| 15:46.10 | IskatuMesk | couldn't bother to tell us they were selling their other place until they sold it |
| 15:46.19 | Merc | harsh |
| 15:46.58 | pirate | if you're catatonic, and have sufficient testosterone, wouldn't you put on a moustache on yourself..? |
| 15:47.04 | JademusSreg | Most places have laws concerning such things. |
| 15:47.32 | IskatuMesk | yes, the law says we have 2 months to find a place until we live on the street and so far not a single candidate has shown up |
| 15:48.02 | JademusSreg | pir, fair point, but I refer to Nietzsche's sister grooming him so as to grow his moustache, which he had always hated. |
| 15:49.58 | Merc | nothing wrong with a good mustache |
| 15:50.01 | pirate | I know not of such things |
| 15:50.26 | Merc | Nietzsche's mustache was especially exceptional I think |
| 15:50.55 | JademusSreg | It's funny, because nearly all photos of him originate from when he was catatonic, he would have hated them. |
| 15:51.37 | JademusSreg | Mesk, forced to live locally? |
| 15:52.15 | Merc | harsh fate |
| 15:52.25 | Merc | being remembered for a glorious mustache that you actually hated |
| 15:53.11 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 15:54.51 | EZS_ | hello |
| 15:55.08 | EZS_ | does anyone know how to modify default acquire level |
| 15:56.21 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Hmm... to do real work or work in my VM instance |
| 15:56.49 | pirate | I don't know what a default acquire level is |
| 15:57.25 | EZS_ | auto-acquire enemies when at weapon range |
| 15:57.25 | Merc | so uh, I think I found the Death Effects |
| 15:57.31 | IskatuMesk | work is for nerds |
| 15:57.32 | Merc | and there are two Actor Model entries there |
| 15:57.36 | pirate | oh |
| 15:57.44 | pirate | thats in units |
| 15:58.37 | pirate | @Merc, one is the model for special unit deaths, the other is usually empty and is created on death |
| 15:58.42 | pirate | use the empty one |
| 15:58.57 | Merc | they're both kinda emtpy |
| 15:59.16 | EZS_ | im asking about how to modify it via triggers or behavior |
| 15:59.28 | pirate | catalog? |
| 15:59.35 | Merc | I'll just fill both and see what happens |
| 16:00.03 | EZS_ | i tried calatogs once, it's quite hard without tutorial |
| 16:00.33 | EZS_ | do you know ? |
| 16:00.33 | pirate | not a good reason not to learn :) |
| 16:00.35 | pirate | yes |
| 16:00.50 | pirate | just checking if it can be done with behaviors first |
| 16:00.55 | EZS_ | what do I do then, im just to finish this map im just not in a mood for brainstorming |
| 16:01.11 | JademusSreg | Arc, depends on urgency. |
| 16:02.09 | EZS_ | i won't be learning now because i woke up an hour ago, so ... i have to go exercising first to be in optimal mode :p |
| 16:02.33 | pirate | well, it's dead simple |
| 16:03.00 | EZS_ | i couldn't find it in behavior buff |
| 16:03.07 | pirate | it doesnt appear to be |
| 16:04.27 | pirate | CatalogFieldValueFieldSet(c_gameCatalogUnit, Ghost, DefaultAcquireLevel, EventPlayer(), "Passive") |
| 16:05.01 | pirate | oh, hmm, but this would make ALL units of a type passive |
| 16:05.05 | pirate | you dont want that, I presume |
| 16:05.16 | EZS_ | okay how do i do this in UI ? |
| 16:05.44 | EZS_ | i only need temporairly for zerglings |
| 16:06.02 | pirate | ..look up the trigger action "Catalog Field Value Set" |
| 16:06.05 | EZS_ | i need to change back to default |
| 16:06.17 | pirate | and apply those same values |
| 16:06.32 | pirate | c_gameCatalogUnit is just Unit under preset |
| 16:07.07 | EZS_ | i need this for all players, can i do this with one action ? |
| 16:07.16 | pirate | no |
| 16:07.24 | pirate | loop through all players |
| 16:07.51 | EZS_ | pick each player or for each player ? |
| 16:09.40 | Merc | hmh, adding Actor Model doesn't seem to do much on either |
| 16:10.23 | pirate | pick each player in active players |
| 16:11.10 | EZS_ | ok |
| 16:12.10 | EZS_ | what do i do in string ? |
| 16:13.41 | pirate | let's see |
| 16:13.53 | pirate | the example I gave has five paramaters |
| 16:14.50 | pirate | armed with this information, we can deduce... |
| 16:16.11 | IskatuMesk | "butts" |
| 16:16.26 | pirate | very good Iskatu, "butts" is indeed a string |
| 16:16.44 | EZS_ | i just want to disable it |
| 16:16.52 | EZS_ | so they don't attack |
| 16:17.02 | pirate | however in this case, "butts" is not DefaultAcquireLevel state |
| 16:17.17 | IskatuMesk | some intern needs to be whipped |
| 16:17.36 | pirate | write your local blizzard community representative! |
| 16:18.07 | IskatuMesk | he's asleep |
| 16:18.08 | JademusSreg | looks around inconspicuousl. |
| 16:18.11 | IskatuMesk | the alcoholism probably got to him |
| 16:18.59 | pirate | looking at the DefaultAcquireLevel field under any unit in the Data Module will tell us all the accepted states |
| 16:21.36 | EZS_ | raw data doesn't do anything |
| 16:21.50 | pirate | nor does it need to |
| 16:21.56 | EZS_ | i remember there is some trick with this |
| 16:22.06 | pirate | double click Combat: Default Acquire Level |
| 16:22.08 | EZS_ | this seems too easy |
| 16:22.20 | pirate | it will show you the different levels |
| 16:22.21 | EZS_ | what does passive mean |
| 16:22.24 | pirate | it is very easy |
| 16:22.54 | pirate | https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+passive&oq=define%3A+passive&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.2104j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8 |
| 16:24.01 | EZS_ | that doesn't explain anything |
| 16:24.11 | EZS_ | gaming terms are always different to an extent |
| 16:24.17 | pirate | "without active response or resistance" |
| 16:24.21 | EZS_ | depending on what the developer has in mind |
| 16:24.36 | pirate | in this case, the meaning is the same |
| 16:28.20 | IskatuMesk | jade, can there be an actor event that looks for when a weapon uses a specific hardpoint |
| 16:28.56 | JademusSreg | Clarify "uses". |
| 16:29.02 | JademusSreg | But yes. |
| 16:29.02 | IskatuMesk | weapon firing |
| 16:29.51 | JademusSreg | That's addressed by "attachment point sets" and attachment query filters. |
| 16:30.02 | EZS_ | didn't work |
| 16:30.07 | EZS_ | i enabled it before spawn |
| 16:30.12 | EZS_ | should i do it after spawn ? |
| 16:30.24 | JademusSreg | Wat's the purpose, Mesk? |
| 16:30.45 | pirate | Default Acquire Level isn't something that's enabled |
| 16:30.48 | EZS_ | i tried passibe |
| 16:31.06 | IskatuMesk | I don't see that in the terms list |
| 16:31.23 | IskatuMesk | the thor has what appears to be GL animations for its four back barrels |
| 16:31.25 | pirate | passive = does nothing when enemy is range or attacks |
| 16:31.42 | pirate | offensive = attacks enemies that come in range |
| 16:31.43 | IskatuMesk | I have the choice of trying to manually sync animations to the spell animation or having one of those play when the weapon fires using that hardpoint |
| 16:31.50 | pirate | defensive = attacks enemies that attack first |
| 16:32.01 | IskatuMesk | manually syncing seems incredibly agonizing, but it seems I might have to make 4 individual weapons to get the other method to work |
| 16:32.45 | JademusSreg | Yep. Wouldn't use events for that attachment. Would instead apply an anim group. Action actors handle the attachments (or rather delegates the attachment with filters and actors, blahlbah). |
| 16:33.01 | IskatuMesk | you just confused me |
| 16:33.11 | JademusSreg | I've got a simple example, in words. |
| 16:33.12 | IskatuMesk | just about nothing you said made any sense |
| 16:34.25 | JademusSreg | Ya know how the planetary fortress is grounded, can't lift off? Check out the command center animations. |
| 16:36.13 | IskatuMesk | this event list is huge |
| 16:36.34 | JademusSreg | Now look at the model asset's animation list in the cutscene editor. Anim groups work together in interesting ways. While planetary fortresses never lift off and fly, don't have explicit animations for it, anim groups can be applied to make a flying planetary fortress. |
| 16:36.58 | EZS_ | doesn't work at INIT |
| 16:37.09 | EZS_ | trying after spawn |
| 16:37.32 | pirate | are you actually changing it for the correct player? |
| 16:37.45 | pirate | computer players are not in the player group "Active Players" |
| 16:37.47 | IskatuMesk | huh |
| 16:37.53 | IskatuMesk | is animgroup is adding a suffix to apply |
| 16:38.02 | JademusSreg | So while it doesn't have an explicit animation for flying planetary fortress, you can do shit like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t80s9pogwho0zvu/Stukov%20and%20Infested%20Friends.jpg |
| 16:38.26 | JademusSreg | Have a demo map with the data used to make that screenshot. |
| 16:38.36 | IskatuMesk | yeah I saw |
| 16:38.37 | pirate | lol, flying zerg death fortress |
| 16:38.39 | IskatuMesk | it spawned like 200 of them |
| 16:38.42 | EZS_ | im not using any ais |
| 16:38.42 | IskatuMesk | and it lagged a lot |
| 16:38.51 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 16:39.36 | IskatuMesk | I still don't really understand though |
| 16:39.50 | IskatuMesk | when I have another animation set, like for that hero, I just add the letter to one of the other actor values |
| 16:40.21 | IskatuMesk | I forget what it was |
| 16:40.49 | IskatuMesk | how does that let me know what weapon used what hardpoint and trigger an animation based off of it |
| 16:41.42 | pirate | @Jade how do animation group suffixes work? Would it be possible/prudent to have a Resistor Sword "talking" animation group (flickering glow) for the hypothetical custom User.m3 that could overlap with all other animations? |
| 16:42.01 | IskatuMesk | you can use a GL for that I think |
| 16:42.06 | JademusSreg | Doesn't, but I'm curious as to what purpose one would want to check. |
| 16:42.10 | JademusSreg | And Mesk is correct. |
| 16:42.19 | IskatuMesk | the arrow for my archer has this glow effect and it's just a GL animation |
| 16:42.20 | JademusSreg | A GLTalk animation, or some such. |
| 16:42.30 | IskatuMesk | have a look at the thor animations |
| 16:42.40 | IskatuMesk | there's some spell C ** animations, one for each rear barrel |
| 16:42.43 | IskatuMesk | I want to have those for a weapon |
| 16:42.45 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 16:42.50 | IskatuMesk | because syncing it to the spell animation will be agonizing |
| 16:42.51 | JademusSreg | So far, easy. |
| 16:42.59 | IskatuMesk | but I have no idea how to do that |
| 16:43.09 | IskatuMesk | other than make four weapons |
| 16:43.15 | IskatuMesk | and tie one to each hardpoint |
| 16:43.20 | pirate | so if I was talking to hypothetical animator I could just say, "plz add a global talk animation too" and they would know what that meant? |
| 16:43.24 | JademusSreg | Ah, that won't be necessary. |
| 16:43.42 | IskatuMesk | wouldn't be called a talk animation |
| 16:43.48 | JademusSreg | pir, yes. GL, global loop. |
| 16:43.52 | IskatuMesk | could be GLstand |
| 16:44.20 | IskatuMesk | the global animation only contains information related to what it wants to have animated |
| 16:44.28 | IskatuMesk | in the case of my archer, that's just material settings on the glow |
| 16:44.32 | pirate | ah |
| 16:44.34 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure there's more freedom of GL animations, but stand is common. |
| 16:44.39 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 16:44.57 | IskatuMesk | like |
| 16:45.00 | pirate | but you could name the animation whatever GL you want? |
| 16:45.05 | IskatuMesk | I think those barrel animations are GL animations |
| 16:45.28 | IskatuMesk | which means they should overlap fine with the normal morph stand |
| 16:45.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, can easily be done, Mesk. But it's rather more complicated to explain. =D |
| 16:45.37 | IskatuMesk | but I have no idea because I haven't been able to try it |
| 16:46.05 | IskatuMesk | they aren't called GL but that seems to be their function |
| 16:46.09 | IskatuMesk | if not I am going to shoot someone |
| 16:46.11 | pirate | GLButts |
| 16:47.12 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 16:49.05 | hobbidude | anyone know if you can set something like an id for a dialog? |
| 16:49.26 | hobbidude | kinda like a custom value in units |
| 16:50.03 | pirate | hey delphinium want to make a model based off of WoW/Heroes Lich King... nvm |
| 16:50.41 | pirate | hobbi- you could do this artificially with variables, but I'm sure theres a better way to get whatever end result you desire |
| 16:51.05 | JademusSreg | An id for dialog wat? |
| 16:51.36 | hobbidude | the same manner that units have custom values you can set, is there something similar for dialogs |
| 16:51.48 | JademusSreg | No, use data tables. |
| 16:52.39 | A1win | or variables (as structs), considering you most likely have that dialog stored in some variable anyway |
| 16:53.08 | hobbidude | ya im thinking i need to so a master list of dialogs since im swapping them around in another |
| 16:53.17 | hobbidude | just be nice if dialogs had an id of sorts |
| 16:53.46 | A1win | then they should also add IDs to strings and integers, woo |
| 16:53.54 | pirate | what are you ultimately trying to accomplish with these IDs? |
| 16:54.08 | hobbidude | just keep track of them |
| 16:54.26 | hobbidude | i have dialogs being saved to variables but then are resorted later |
| 16:54.42 | A1win | then make copies of those variables but as integer type and put the IDs into them |
| 16:54.44 | JademusSreg | Also, you're using the term "id" wrong. |
| 16:55.04 | pirate | (technically dialog variables are integers...) |
| 16:55.51 | JademusSreg | id is short for identifier/identification, a (nopefully) constant reference/means of referencing a thing. |
| 16:56.02 | hobbidude | exactly |
| 16:56.20 | hobbidude | thats what i want |
| 16:56.39 | EZS_ | jademussreg is is possible to modify default acquire level on-fly realtime in this game ? |
| 16:56.51 | A1win | just use the dialog value itself? |
| 16:57.14 | JademusSreg | Stew, no, but that's not what you actually need to solve the problem anyway. |
| 16:57.25 | A1win | or how do you intend to use this "ID"? |
| 16:57.27 | JademusSreg | A1 is correct. |
| 16:59.17 | A1win | now I forgot which tasks I was about to assign to myself D: |
| 17:05.41 | pirate | someone assure me that since the contest semi-finalists announcement has been delayed, so has the voting period |
| 17:08.06 | IskatuMesk | alright... now, the siege abilities making it vanish... |
| 17:08.19 | IskatuMesk | hks conveniently just left it unfinished for me to try to fix |
| 17:09.42 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 17:09.52 | JademusSreg | Which one are you wroking on currently? |
| 17:09.57 | IskatuMesk | wild arms |
| 17:10.27 | IskatuMesk | effectively just a retooled siegable thor |
| 17:10.37 | IskatuMesk | framework is there, I just need to sort out the graphics related shit |
| 17:12.00 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Back |
| 17:12.36 | IskatuMesk | bullocks. I was hoping the flags were the key |
| 17:12.38 | IskatuMesk | the key to the end of all things |
| 17:16.39 | IskatuMesk | I am much too tired to try changing random values in the ability and waiting 4-5 minutes to switch to the map and then test map to see if it had an effect |
| 17:16.52 | IskatuMesk | time to pass out |
| 17:16.53 | IskatuMesk | gl hf |
| 17:21.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Uggh, presentations suck :(, so boring at times... |
| 17:23.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Time to do some mapmaking. |
| 17:23.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | To the VM I go :D |
| 17:25.13 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yay, yesterday experiment was only 2 dollars ;D |
| 17:26.14 | pirate | ? |
| 17:27.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Oh, I installed SC2 in a Amazon GPU instance, and performance was good. You can even do terrain editing quite easily, maxed out graphics settings and all. Just can't run SC2 itself over RDP. Can do so over VNC but the network bandwidth kills it usually, would need a symmetric 1 gig link for accpetable performance. |
| 17:27.58 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Editor performance is quite good, since the VM is running on hardware that exceeds most peoples |
| 17:28.12 | ArcanePariah|Wor | SSD drive, quad core xeon, 15 gigs of ram |
| 17:28.25 | pirate | thats an odd number |
| 17:28.34 | ArcanePariah|Wor | 15? Yeah, I thought so too |
| 17:28.55 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I'm guessing a gig is reserved for the hypervisor |
| 17:29.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | leaving only 15 for the guest |
| 17:29.46 | pirate | ahh |
| 17:30.00 | pirate | also literally :P |
| 17:30.40 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/imhGQwA.jpg |
| 17:30.51 | pirate | mini icons in tooltip look okay? |
| 17:31.13 | ArcanePariah|Wor | My idea (along with JademusSreg) is install editor, setup multiple windows users, and have dropbox/github installed, allowing a singular VM to do collaboration work on. |
| 17:32.00 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Amazon even was foresighted for many of the tools, like github, which it installs locally (download got intercepted and simply downloaded from Amazon servers, much faster :D) |
| 17:33.36 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, would help some people's development because I have heard some people have issues with the editor performing badly on their machine, due to it being a hog. |
| 17:33.41 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:34.08 | JademusSreg | More importantly, it's an awesome way to goof off. |
| 17:34.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | That, and it is also hilariously cheap. |
| 17:36.05 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Let's anyone with even a ghetto laptop that would barely be able to run the editor, be able to do so in a very efficient way, with fast load/run times, and overall just good performance. |
| 17:36.13 | JademusSreg | If it were any cheaper, you'd be making a profit. And Blizz lawyers would squish it. =D |
| 17:36.23 | ArcanePariah|Wor | lol |
| 17:37.04 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Like if a team wanted to colloborate, the cost could be very easily split between them. 81 cents an hour of use is... nothing |
| 17:37.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Only one caveat to all of this, Amazon somewhat foresaw this and blocks more then 2 RDP connections. But that would do nothing to stop multiple people using team viwer. |
| 17:37.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | teamviewer* |
| 17:38.10 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:38.15 | ArcanePariah|Wor | What surprised me is that terrain editing does work |
| 17:39.24 | grim001 | my bird is giving me hearing loss |
| 17:39.25 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So although you would need to run the game locally to test, have use of test functionality, you can do everything remotely. And really you could just write a library of code to do everything the cheat functions do, and publish a private copy on b.net and test there anyhow. |
| 17:41.43 | ArcanePariah|Wor | In my case, I'm doing this to do development remotely so I don't have to leave my powerhog computer on all day. |
| 17:42.17 | JademusSreg | Don't let birds peck inside your ear, one should hope. |
| 17:46.41 | grim001 | The problem is when he sits on my shoulder screaming for no apparent reason |
| 17:47.29 | grim001 | conures are one of the loudest types of bird |
| 17:48.16 | JademusSreg | Needs entertainment. |
| 17:48.51 | Ahli | googles conures videos |
| 17:50.31 | grim001 | He gets quite jealous when I stare at the computer too long |
| 17:56.41 | Merc | still having a few problems with physics objects |
| 17:56.52 | Merc | making a death animation for a new building now |
| 17:57.02 | Merc | it actually takes off like a rocket ship instead of collapsing |
| 17:59.07 | Merc | it's actually pretty hilarious |
| 17:59.23 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I was laughing just imagining it. |
| 17:59.29 | JademusSreg | Make a gif. =D |
| 17:59.48 | Merc | making one to impress delphinium |
| 18:00.52 | A1win | found my new favorite song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBfD1-aOiwI |
| 18:06.48 | Merc | Oops: http://i.imgur.com/06Lc2ET.gif |
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| 18:10.25 | JademusSreg | Neato, there's a desert spider that rolls. |
| 18:11.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:11.30 | JademusSreg | Nice rocketry. |
| 18:15.55 | Merc | no idea why it does this |
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| 19:09.49 | Teratron | hello |
| 19:09.52 | Teratron | is ahli here ? |
| 19:13.08 | grim001 | every time I talk, the bird screams over me twice as loud |
| 19:13.25 | pirate | eat them |
| 19:13.36 | pirate | what for do you require the prince? |
| 19:13.46 | grim001 | it's like noise cancellation for my voice |
| 19:15.10 | Ahli | no, getting dinner |
| 19:16.50 | Teratron | is that a family dinner or a gamer dinner ? |
| 19:17.02 | Ahli | gamer dinner |
| 19:17.10 | Ahli | and then practicing heroes |
| 19:17.10 | Teratron | if it's gamer dinner then it should be quick and at the desk right here hah |
| 19:17.21 | Teratron | even tho i don't practice bad habits anymore :p |
| 19:17.45 | Teratron | or in other words, i used to do them a lot, but i don't agree with them being good for society future |
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| 19:18.39 | Teratron | allright i'll just put it out all what happened and catch it when you can |
| 19:19.34 | Teratron | there was some unintended consequence, there's some other "services" that target the player units for teleport, so that got broken, but also |
| 19:19.51 | Teratron | i didn't quite get what you were meaning later wiht the updating for more spawns |
| 19:20.02 | Teratron | i tried with the periodic event on the whole behavior placing trigger |
| 19:20.13 | Teratron | and the game has massive lag |
| 19:20.20 | Teratron | probably some weird behavior stacking ? |
| 19:21.02 | Teratron | there's an extra 11th lane |
| 19:21.08 | Teratron | with off-map stuff |
| 19:21.26 | Teratron | warp and warput service structures, etc |
| 19:21.32 | Teratron | warpout* |
| 19:22.09 | Teratron | i didn't apply the validator to those, even if i would, it wouldn't work |
| 19:22.31 | Teratron | the "entire map" is in my case a custom playable area with all the 10 lanes without the 11th |
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| 19:26.30 | Bounty | peow |
| 19:26.56 | Teratron | practicing hereos ? |
| 19:28.57 | Teratron | anyone using T-Mobile watch out http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-01/how-t-mobile-made-hundreds-millions-charging-customers-bogus-services |
| 19:38.36 | Ahli | yes, practicing heroes |
| 19:38.49 | pirate | revisiting https://pastee.org/epfxp and structref |
| 19:39.06 | pirate | (pirate wants to practice heroes) |
| 19:39.18 | Ahli | (I'm kind of in a German team) |
| 19:39.37 | pirate | (I AM the canadian team) |
| 19:42.37 | Teratron | okay |
| 19:42.54 | Teratron | what were you saying yesterday about the updating of behavior |
| 19:42.58 | Teratron | a separate trigger |
| 19:43.09 | Teratron | i don't have the chat anymore because i had to reload irc |
| 19:43.53 | JademusSreg | Haha, Stew. |
| 19:46.39 | Teratron | hello ahli you here |
| 19:48.27 | pirate | ohhh, I understand structref now |
| 19:53.35 | Ahli | yes |
| 19:54.42 | Bounty | lol wtf 86.58.34.166 |
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| 19:54.48 | Bounty | again? |
| 19:55.09 | Goa_ | dammit why you guys spoil the fun |
| 19:55.16 | Teratron | well |
| 19:55.24 | Teratron | i removed the periodic event |
| 19:55.28 | Goa_ | maybe I should check irc more |
| 19:55.31 | Teratron | let's fire the main trigger only once |
| 19:56.13 | Teratron | now |
| 19:56.24 | Teratron | i need to do the validators for the extra 11th lane |
| 19:56.40 | Teratron | all the stuff in the eleventh lane has to have access to ALL the 10 lanes |
| 19:57.08 | Ahli | access? |
| 19:57.13 | Teratron | targeting |
| 19:57.35 | Teratron | but it's used for other stuff not weapons |
| 19:58.25 | Ahli | not using weapons, but targeting? |
| 19:58.45 | Ahli | targeting with what? |
| 19:59.14 | Teratron | why does that matter |
| 19:59.26 | Teratron | it's just targeting for service stuff |
| 19:59.30 | Teratron | to make the gameplay work |
| 19:59.36 | Ahli | you are talking about it, I just try to understand what you are trying to do |
| 19:59.59 | Teratron | it's used for warp in warp out of the player units |
| 20:00.11 | Teratron | doesn't do anything on the enemy in the 15 slot |
| 20:00.46 | Teratron | so the 11th lane has several structures |
| 20:01.02 | Teratron | and all of those need to have targeting access to all the 10 lanes |
| 20:01.12 | Teratron | i forgot about this |
| 20:01.58 | Ahli | yeah, atm you are only restricting the weapon targeting... so the structures will be able to target everything |
| 20:01.59 | Teratron | the player slot for the 11th lane is 14 |
| 20:02.05 | Teratron | 15 = Hostile |
| 20:02.07 | Teratron | 14 = Service |
| 20:02.55 | Teratron | those structures are warpgates |
| 20:03.03 | Teratron | they are OFFMAP SERVICE |
| 20:03.08 | Teratron | they don't do anything to the game |
| 20:03.26 | Teratron | they provide spawn commands |
| 20:03.36 | Ahli | and you don't want player units to be able to target those? |
| 20:03.43 | Teratron | no |
| 20:03.56 | Teratron | they can't target them because they're troo far anyways |
| 20:03.57 | Ahli | you want them to be targetable by player units? |
| 20:04.05 | Ahli | so, what's the problem? |
| 20:04.05 | Teratron | no the other way around |
| 20:04.19 | Teratron | the structures abilities can't target the player units |
| 20:04.28 | Ahli | don't use the validator for them |
| 20:04.32 | Teratron | i didn't |
| 20:04.44 | Ahli | no vision? |
| 20:04.55 | Ahli | too low range? |
| 20:04.57 | Teratron | the 11th lane is larger |
| 20:05.01 | Teratron | look me |
| 20:05.10 | Teratron | im telling you exactly |
| 20:05.23 | Ahli | this problem is separated from your targeting in the lanes |
| 20:05.24 | Teratron | i haven't changed anything, it doesn't work now with the validators |
| 20:05.44 | Teratron | no it's not, because i only do one thing at a time, and that's the only thing i did yesterday |
| 20:06.08 | Teratron | there just has to be one more validator for them, and some other relationship with AND and OR |
| 20:06.24 | Teratron | and they need their own code in the trigger too |
| 20:06.25 | Teratron | imo |
| 20:06.32 | Teratron | but i don't know how to do this |
| 20:07.16 | Teratron | the other thing is, i don't know how to do the updating ... but that's another issue |
| 20:08.23 | Ahli | ??? |
| 20:08.23 | Teratron | i am sorry i was not able to predict this, i could have told you earlier when you were making the demo |
| 20:08.43 | Ahli | the warpgate thing has nothing to do with your weapon targeting if it is not using that |
| 20:08.52 | Ahli | it's simply the ability failing for some reason |
| 20:08.59 | Teratron | spawns work |
| 20:09.03 | Teratron | warpouts dont |
| 20:09.18 | Ahli | what do they do? |
| 20:09.22 | Teratron | failing for this reason i told you |
| 20:09.36 | Teratron | they pick the units and teleport them to the 11th lane |
| 20:09.56 | Ahli | so this is trigger not ability? |
| 20:10.16 | Teratron | everything is data activated by scripts |
| 20:10.24 | Ahli | does the script run? |
| 20:10.33 | Ahli | use outputs to check if it runs and if conditions are fine, etc |
| 20:10.46 | Teratron | only a few side-stuff is script-only, like the scores at the end when it's only about calculations |
| 20:11.02 | Teratron | you really are talking like im stupid here |
| 20:11.12 | Teratron | i wouldn't be saying this if i wasn't sure |
| 20:11.16 | Teratron | i know it's this |
| 20:11.27 | Teratron | because i don't talk unless i have tested it 100% |
| 20:12.04 | Teratron | you have made an encapsilation |
| 20:12.18 | Teratron | the external stuff needs the code to interact |
| 20:12.20 | Teratron | and i didn't had to disable validators |
| 20:12.39 | Teratron | i disabled the main script and it worked |
| 20:12.50 | Teratron | because validators really were intert without the behaviors |
| 20:13.56 | Teratron | did you read the first posts |
| 20:14.14 | Teratron | i told you, it runs, but the game's broke, and when it runs, it's 9FPS and im not going to test with 7 FPS |
| 20:14.32 | Teratron | but i know where the performance is from |
| 20:14.39 | Teratron | it's probably from the periodic effect i added |
| 20:14.41 | Teratron | so i removed that |
| 20:14.50 | Teratron | we'll worry about it later |
| 20:14.57 | Teratron | let me first fix the 11th lane |
| 20:15.04 | Teratron | and i don't know how to do that |
| 20:15.24 | Teratron | now please tell me if you're willing to help because either i do it now or i go do something else away from PC ? |
| 20:16.33 | Teratron | will you think about it and i come back in 2 hours ? |
| 20:16.51 | Teratron | or we'll do it now ? |
| 20:19.22 | Teratron | i don't know what you're doing but im scheduled for something so im going in 2 minutes, if you're making the demo again fine, but ill do it later |
| 20:19.36 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/chanmanv |
| 20:19.43 | Bounty | lol Ahli |
| 20:19.57 | Bounty | He just admitted to down voting people with his bots as well |
| 20:21.45 | pirate | it's a streamer-vote-streamer world out there |
| 20:22.57 | Bounty | Nah but its just funny how he is claiming he has no competitor and how hard it is to get your content noticed.... |
| 20:26.41 | Bounty | working on your RPG at all pirate or still focusing on the new game? |
| 20:26.49 | pirate | NEW GAME |
| 20:27.13 | pirate | putting off RPG content until semi-finalists announced |
| 20:27.39 | pirate | hoping that the delay does not shorten the length of the voting period |
| 20:27.41 | Bounty | ah |
| 20:27.53 | Bounty | That would be interesting if it did pirate |
| 20:28.04 | pirate | that would make me cranky |
| 20:28.28 | pirate | (if I dont make semi finals I can put off working on RPG for even longer, otherwise it's gonna be coffee all day and night for a few days) |
| 20:29.41 | JademusSreg | Zam. |
| 20:31.05 | pirate | speaking of |
| 20:31.49 | pirate | Jade, do you see any inherent issues with the following ability upgrade system |
| 20:31.50 | pirate | https://pastee.org/nn7gu |
| 20:31.56 | pirate | https://pastee.org/jmpwk |
| 20:32.18 | pirate | (before I continue down this road) |
| 20:33.40 | JademusSreg | Set versus Modify; one is reverible, the other isn't. Except since I don't often employ upgrades (ie, never), I forget which is which. |
| 20:33.46 | JademusSreg | *reversible |
| 20:34.27 | JademusSreg | I think Set is reversible, so you should be fine on that side. |
| 20:34.36 | pirate | I think I used the right one because it works as intended in game |
| 20:34.57 | JademusSreg | Das goot. |
| 20:35.19 | JademusSreg | Yay, account structref. |
| 20:35.40 | pirate | I'm just checking with the powers that be that this is viable solution to making n^(n+1) ability/upgrade combos |
| 20:36.32 | JademusSreg | Outline the approach, if you would, so I have a mental model. |
| 20:38.27 | pirate | when the inventory (function select screen is closed), reset each abilities upgrades to base functionality > if upgrade functions are equipped, turn on (Set) the upgrade level for the specified upgrade |
| 20:40.53 | JademusSreg | Yeah, sounds feasible. |
| 20:41.07 | pirate | PROS: I can easily check which upgrade combinations are currently equipped with requirements/validators, CONS: for each ability upgrade added to the game, I must add values to the Reset upgrade |
| 20:42.04 | JademusSreg | Why add values? |
| 20:42.33 | pirate | to undo whatever potential changes were made with previous upgrade configurations |
| 20:42.45 | pirate | for instance Slam + Slam vs Slam |
| 20:43.18 | pirate | Slam, by default, applies 0 stacks of StatusSlow |
| 20:43.34 | pirate | Upgrade _SlamSlam Sets 0 to 3 |
| 20:43.56 | pirate | and now Upgrade _SlamReset must Set X to 0 |
| 20:44.12 | JademusSreg | "I must add values to the Reset upgrade" Which is to say add data? Better to add data than to add script. |
| 20:44.19 | JademusSreg | So doesn't seem like a con. |
| 20:44.31 | pirate | I suppose it's not |
| 20:44.49 | pirate | the ability has to be reset someway or another |
| 20:49.04 | pirate | ah, and some of the tedium can be reduced by using Add instead of Set for applicable fields |
| 20:49.13 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of this fun upgrade-related script I have. |
| 20:49.57 | JademusSreg | Well, an upgrade-related function in the script: https://pastee.org/z4u47 |
| 20:51.36 | pirate | hm, that would have been incredibly useful when I once attempted to make a 4x Xel Naga Caverns observer mode map |
| 20:51.49 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:52.30 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I'm curious, why not use upgrades JademusSreg? |
| 20:53.03 | JademusSreg | I almost never have need to use them, not that I'm opposed. |
| 20:53.21 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Ahh |
| 20:53.29 | JademusSreg | In particular, I always aim to avoid global state. |
| 20:58.50 | pirate | well excellent, now that the method of upgrade logic has been chosen and implemented, the next task is to implement Turn() :D |
| 20:59.23 | JademusSreg | Currently, that script is paired with some data modifications to prevent mineral field and other such destruction, but eventually (when I feel like it) I'll apply catalog changes to accomplish the same ends. |
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| 21:28.58 | Arcane|Work | JademusSreg, what does the Custom AI flag for Actions do? I was guessing it is the flag to set for functions to be used in Tactical AI Function for units. |
| 21:37.02 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/14572316/first-international-players-invited-to-test-heroes-and-regional-servers-are-now-available-7-1-2014 how do their regional servers work? =/ |
| 21:37.35 | Ahli | everyone can play everyone in there despite multiple servers |
| 21:38.20 | Bounty | Wow, you can't even do that in SC2 can you Ahli? |
| 21:38.31 | Bounty | ladders are regional as well, yes? |
| 21:41.05 | pirate | yeah - my first game was with a bunch people speaking chinese |
| 21:41.35 | pirate | I logged out to make sure I wasnt accidentally logged into SEA server |
| 21:41.45 | pirate | but alas, there were no servers to choose from |
| 21:58.22 | JademusSreg | Arc, probably not much. |
| 21:58.31 | DeadZergling | stupid soccer game |
| 21:58.31 | DeadZergling | productivity in MS is down at least 50 % today I think |
| 21:58.33 | JademusSreg | Sounds like an organizational flag. |
| 22:01.43 | Arcane|Work | Well, it does make 2 things currently happen: GUI scripting is disabled, and anything in the custom script you place doesn't show up during compile. |
| 22:09.52 | JademusSreg | Wow, that's shitty. But makes sense; sounds like something to be used in the AI module. |
| 22:10.01 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2wqtxhji6a4dzzz/Aardvepyon.jpg |
| 22:11.08 | Bounty | lol what the hell is that JademusSreg |
| 22:11.32 | Bounty | Looks like some sort of duck? |
| 22:12.51 | Teratron_AFK | king kong in green pants |
| 22:13.42 | Bounty | also, wow http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/01/age-of-empires-online-shuts-down |
| 22:13.44 | Bounty | already? |
| 22:15.06 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 22:15.08 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:22.16 | Bounty | What are some games besides Mario Kart that interesting power ups? |
| 22:22.49 | Bounty | that have* |
| 22:23.04 | DeadZergling | what, not just going to have everyone spin and shrink as a powerup? |
| 22:23.39 | Bounty | no? |
| 22:23.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater916 (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220) |
| 22:23.46 | pirate | super smash bros |
| 22:23.51 | MoonEater916 | Bounty |
| 22:23.56 | MoonEater916 | Wake up yo |
| 22:24.01 | Bounty | You know is funny pirate |
| 22:24.05 | MoonEater916 | its the moon eater interrogation time |
| 22:24.07 | Bounty | my dumbass forgot about that |
| 22:24.11 | Bounty | Hello MoonEater :) |
| 22:24.15 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 22:24.38 | MoonEater916 | so im cleaning up help and i noticed my textures are not applied to the units in help |
| 22:24.39 | pirate | raiden |
| 22:24.41 | Bounty | whats up? |
| 22:24.45 | pirate | the kirby series |
| 22:24.45 | MoonEater916 | im sure theres a specific actor event |
| 22:24.50 | MoonEater916 | i would need to make that happen |
| 22:24.58 | Bounty | texture swap? |
| 22:25.03 | MoonEater916 | hell yes |
| 22:25.04 | pirate | the units in help are models |
| 22:25.09 | pirate | not actors |
| 22:25.17 | pirate | so they dont get any actor messages |
| 22:25.19 | Bounty | Yeah they are portrait models I think |
| 22:25.19 | MoonEater916 | dont say that pirate |
| 22:25.24 | MoonEater916 | u might make me cry |
| 22:25.31 | MoonEater916 | they arnt portaits |
| 22:25.38 | MoonEater916 | they r models or actors |
| 22:25.39 | Bounty | Portrait Models |
| 22:25.42 | MoonEater916 | no |
| 22:25.46 | MoonEater916 | they arnt portait models |
| 22:25.46 | pirate | They Don't Think It Be Like It Is But It Do |
| 22:25.51 | MoonEater916 | otherwise nothing would be showing |
| 22:25.55 | pirate | they are models |
| 22:25.59 | MoonEater916 | cause the model and actor doesnt have portaits |
| 22:26.07 | Bounty | ugh |
| 22:26.17 | MoonEater916 | shit |
| 22:26.26 | MoonEater916 | nooooz |
| 22:26.31 | pirate | tell me if you find a non ridiculous solution |
| 22:26.34 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3RvooImRE |
| 22:26.37 | pirate | because Ive been looking for one |
| 22:26.40 | Bounty | like that MoonEater |
| 22:26.41 | MoonEater916 | shit |
| 22:26.51 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 22:26.56 | MoonEater916 | just go to help lolz |
| 22:26.59 | Bounty | Are they portrait models pirate or is it something else? |
| 22:27.11 | MoonEater916 | they dont have backgroups |
| 22:27.13 | pirate | THEY ARE JUST MODELS |
| 22:27.16 | MoonEater916 | or wapness |
| 22:27.22 | MoonEater916 | pirate is probably right |
| 22:27.25 | MoonEater916 | im jsut sad he is |
| 22:27.37 | Bounty | You can hide the border and background of a model in a portrait |
| 22:27.48 | pirate | BUT THEY ARE NOT PORTRAITS |
| 22:27.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:27.54 | MoonEater916 | ^ |
| 22:28.18 | MoonEater916 | why cant they be actors |
| 22:28.21 | MoonEater916 | thus suck |
| 22:28.26 | pirate | this is a good question |
| 22:28.30 | pirate | that I dont have an answer too |
| 22:28.36 | MoonEater916 | cause almost all the units share the same fking model |
| 22:29.54 | Bounty | give me a sec Moon |
| 22:30.31 | MoonEater916 | like i went into help and noticed my new units were there |
| 22:30.40 | MoonEater916 | and i was thinking cool, piggy back it |
| 22:33.11 | MoonEater916 | now i need to figure out how to remove the stuipid control and game mechanics |
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| 22:34.00 | MoonEater916 | and of course ahli has the answer |
| 22:34.04 | MoonEater916 | dont you... |
| 22:35.34 | NotYourCheese | any news on the contest? |
| 22:36.29 | MoonEater916 | Yes NotYourCheese, you won and theres going to be a big party and pirate is IN CHARGE OF CONFETTI |
| 22:36.35 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 22:36.42 | MoonEater916 | i watch too much red vs blue |
| 22:37.52 | pirate | I dont wanna be in charge of confetti |
| 22:38.04 | pirate | I want to be in charge of BOOTY |
| 22:38.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:38.15 | MoonEater916 | jade |
| 22:38.19 | MoonEater916 | I SUMMON THEE |
| 22:38.23 | MoonEater916 | slaughters goat |
| 22:38.30 | pirate | jade cannot save you from dialog models |
| 22:38.46 | MoonEater916 | RISEEEE!!!! and bully all those who are not as knoledgeable as you |
| 22:38.51 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 22:38.57 | MoonEater916 | so in help |
| 22:39.26 | MoonEater916 | i noticed my units were showing up however, they seem to be showing just the models? im hopping im wrong and its showing the actors |
| 22:39.33 | MoonEater916 | ANSWER MODELS OR ACTORS!!! |
| 22:40.01 | MoonEater916 | slaughters pirate all over the alter offering it to the mighty jade |
| 22:40.04 | JademusSreg | Are you talking about the -unit glossary-? |
| 22:40.06 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 22:40.27 | MoonEater916 | i think |
| 22:40.29 | MoonEater916 | in help |
| 22:40.35 | MoonEater916 | shows units |
| 22:40.39 | MoonEater916 | for races |
| 22:40.41 | JademusSreg | Unit glossary. |
| 22:40.54 | MoonEater916 | alright well its not labled that in the help dialog |
| 22:40.56 | MoonEater916 | so ya |
| 22:40.59 | JademusSreg | Use the correct terms to better facilitate aid. |
| 22:41.02 | MoonEater916 | need another offering? |
| 22:41.13 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.28 | Bounty | Actor from Glossary |
| 22:41.40 | MoonEater916 | Slaughters bounty on the alter next to pirate to the glorious jade |
| 22:41.49 | MoonEater916 | the fall of communism... |
| 22:42.44 | MoonEater916 | jade has grown more expensive over the years, and ive ran out of goats |
| 22:43.18 | NotYourCheese | i'd give my cheese as an offering, but you might get AIDS |
| 22:43.34 | NotYourCheese | that's why it's not your cheese, for your protection |
| 22:44.42 | MoonEater916 | its cool i already got cancer from standing outside from moonlight |
| 22:45.57 | JademusSreg | UnitModelFrame contains Model frame. |
| 22:46.00 | JademusSreg | So no actor. |
| 22:46.21 | MoonEater916 | sooooooooooooooo |
| 22:46.26 | pirate | YOU DARE QUESTION LORD PIRATE |
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| 22:46.57 | MoonEater916 | the inherient issue with all my shit using a single actor is that i can never have an effective unit glossery |
| 22:47.01 | MoonEater916 | correct? |
| 22:47.09 | pirate | (single base model) |
| 22:48.08 | JademusSreg | Portrait frames have ActorLink and ModelLink fields. |
| 22:48.10 | MoonEater916 | crucifies priate so that he may redeem me for my sins infrom of almighty jade |
| 22:48.52 | MoonEater916 | jade didnt you say its using the unit model? |
| 22:49.12 | Bounty | sigh |
| 22:49.38 | MoonEater916 | i think bounty had this one |
| 22:49.41 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 22:49.48 | Bounty | yep, but whatever |
| 22:49.53 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 22:49.55 | MoonEater916 | but bounty |
| 22:50.19 | MoonEater916 | if its using the model doesnt that mean it ignores the actor |
| 22:50.53 | JademusSreg | UnotModelFrame has UnitLink and LightLink fields, and tech glossary's usage of UnitModelFrame contains a subframe of type Model. |
| 22:51.48 | JademusSreg | Test, see what happens if you put a Portrait frame inside a UnitModelFrame. |
| 22:51.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:53.05 | MoonEater916 | you mean on the actor's portait field? |
| 22:54.31 | MoonEater916 | found unitmodelframe |
| 22:54.54 | MoonEater916 | LOZLLZOLZOLZOLZ |
| 22:54.58 | MoonEater916 | looks soo weird now |
| 22:55.09 | MoonEater916 | is there anyway to stop the unit glossery from spinning it? |
| 22:56.13 | pirate | so you fixed it? |
| 22:56.45 | MoonEater916 | yep |
| 22:57.24 | pirate | so you can send actor messages |
| 22:58.19 | Bounty | isn't that what I said earlier? |
| 22:58.22 | MoonEater916 | well its defaulting to the model but when u set the field actor |
| 22:58.24 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 22:58.27 | MoonEater916 | well no |
| 22:58.32 | MoonEater916 | wrong field |
| 22:58.34 | MoonEater916 | but ya |
| 22:58.55 | pirate | BOUNTY BY DEFAULT IT IS A MODEL BUT YOU CAN CHANGE THAT BY MODIFYING THE UI |
| 22:59.32 | Bounty | Are you running a program that enables cap whenever you spell my name or something? |
| 23:00.19 | pirate | in other news, the lowest you can set the global time scale to and still enable unit commands is 0.0009 |
| 23:00.42 | JademusSreg | Not exactly. |
| 23:01.21 | pirate | 0.00892857142? |
| 23:01.28 | MoonEater916 | lOLZ |
| 23:01.36 | MoonEater916 | if i remember correctly |
| 23:01.36 | pirate | what? |
| 23:01.39 | MoonEater916 | the time rounds up |
| 23:01.46 | pirate | in GUI, yes |
| 23:01.48 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 23:01.50 | pirate | nope? |
| 23:01.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:01.53 | pirate | :( |
| 23:02.01 | MoonEater916 | prepares alter |
| 23:02.04 | JademusSreg | It's not a multiple of the fixed type epsilon. |
| 23:02.10 | Bounty | PIRATE YOU SHOULD JUST STOP TALKING BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE ON A FAIL STREAK |
| 23:02.31 | pirate | I mean, it DOES round to the nearest 0.0001 in gui |
| 23:02.40 | MoonEater916 | no i mean |
| 23:02.44 | MoonEater916 | it rounds more than that |
| 23:02.49 | MoonEater916 | like .01 |
| 23:03.09 | MoonEater916 | system process time n the like |
| 23:03.19 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 23:03.27 | DeadZergling | Pirate gets an A for Effort |
| 23:03.34 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 23:03.53 | Bounty | What do I get DeadZergling? |
| 23:03.55 | MoonEater916 | slaughters a DeadZergling on the alter chanting |
| 23:04.03 | MoonEater916 | JADEEE TELL US THE ANSWER |
| 23:04.08 | pirate | I'm going to have to make an actor search to set time speed of non unit actors though |
| 23:04.13 | MoonEater916 | BESTOW WISDOM!! |
| 23:04.22 | DeadZergling | *Altar |
| 23:04.44 | DeadZergling | you might be casting an Alteration type spell with your chanting |
| 23:04.46 | MoonEater916 | SHUT UP ANMD DIE ALREADY!! |
| 23:04.52 | DeadZergling | but pretty sure you don't sacrifice things on your words |
| 23:04.57 | pirate | lol |
| 23:05.03 | pirate | not with that attitude you dont |
| 23:05.20 | MoonEater916 | u know every time i come here u guys always mannage to make me laugh |
| 23:05.22 | MoonEater916 | expect jade |
| 23:05.24 | MoonEater916 | hes a bully |
| 23:05.29 | DeadZergling | *except |
| 23:05.34 | MoonEater916 | oh shit i mean BESTOW WISDOM JADE!!! |
| 23:05.50 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 23:06.02 | MoonEater916 | Deadzergling, when u you become bounty |
| 23:06.04 | MoonEater916 | hes the nazi |
| 23:06.10 | pirate | I was really home GameSetSpeedValue presets were actually just fixed values |
| 23:06.22 | Bounty | Jade has both the humor and wisdom of Yoda |
| 23:06.23 | pirate | way to drop the ball on that one blizzard |
| 23:06.34 | MoonEater916 | bounty ur a kiss ass |
| 23:06.37 | DeadZergling | Moon, take a deep breath before you start typing.... |
| 23:06.41 | MoonEater916 | u got brown on that nose |
| 23:06.46 | DeadZergling | it is becoming painful to watch your sentences. |
| 23:06.48 | Bounty | MoonEater |
| 23:06.51 | Bounty | Yoda is not funny |
| 23:06.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:07.04 | JademusSreg | Someone hasn't watched Clone Wars. |
| 23:07.05 | MoonEater916 | i thought yoda was |
| 23:07.12 | Bounty | Unless you count his fighting style |
| 23:07.15 | MoonEater916 | especialy in the episode 2 |
| 23:07.35 | MoonEater916 | see |
| 23:07.37 | DeadZergling | Yoda's one drawback, wear diapers to contain his shit he does |
| 23:07.48 | MoonEater916 | jode |
| 23:07.48 | Bounty | I really need to start watching TV |
| 23:07.55 | MoonEater916 | jade isnt gona tell us it seems |
| 23:07.57 | DeadZergling | Need wipes often |
| 23:07.59 | MoonEater916 | what a dick move man |
| 23:08.00 | Bounty | I prevent things like this happening |
| 23:08.07 | Bounty | To prevent* |
| 23:08.22 | MoonEater916 | they have television in russia? |
| 23:08.23 | DeadZergling | if Jade knows the answer to something, and someone hasn't already said it |
| 23:08.34 | DeadZergling | he can't control himself from letting you know what it is |
| 23:08.43 | pirate | damn, behaviors can only increase a unit's time scale tenfold |
| 23:08.45 | DeadZergling | but he may play mind games for hours before then |
| 23:08.46 | MoonEater916 | well shit hes not telling me |
| 23:08.50 | JademusSreg | Deadz, partially accurate. |
| 23:09.09 | MoonEater916 | what that your a bully? |
| 23:09.12 | MoonEater916 | i mean |
| 23:09.13 | MoonEater916 | god |
| 23:09.16 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 23:09.17 | MoonEater916 | god |
| 23:09.17 | DeadZergling | *you're |
| 23:09.22 | Bounty | ^ douche |
| 23:09.23 | JademusSreg | Sometimes leading people by the nose is more tedious than I care to bother. |
| 23:09.32 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:09.38 | MoonEater916 | u mean bully |
| 23:09.42 | MoonEater916 | i mean you mena god |
| 23:09.56 | JademusSreg | Better joke: douché |
| 23:10.02 | DeadZergling | indeed JademusSreg , I understand |
| 23:10.23 | DeadZergling | been playing cards with a 4 year old lately, very simplified rules, the 2 year old then wanted to play.... |
| 23:10.24 | MoonEater916 | starts tribal chant |
| 23:10.27 | Bounty | I have no idea how to use those characters sadly Jade |
| 23:10.42 | DeadZergling | 2 year old couldn't even grasp the difference between a red suit and a black suit |
| 23:10.49 | DeadZergling | so yea, that was over, lol |
| 23:11.04 | DeadZergling | some people just aren't ready to understand things ye |
| 23:11.08 | DeadZergling | *yet |
| 23:11.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:11.17 | MoonEater916 | ^ haha hes talking about me |
| 23:11.22 | MoonEater916 | asshole... |
| 23:11.39 | DeadZergling | I'm saying I understand what JademusSreg means |
| 23:11.52 | DeadZergling | Feel free to attribute all insults to yourself, however |
| 23:11.53 | Bounty | You want him to speak of you MoonEater, you know it. |
| 23:12.04 | DeadZergling | I won't stop you |
| 23:12.22 | MoonEater916 | no see the cat doesnt play with the mouse because the mouse doesnt know the difference between black suit and red suit he plays with the mouse to be a douche |
| 23:12.42 | Bounty | douché* |
| 23:12.52 | MoonEater916 | omg theres 2 of them now |
| 23:13.13 | DeadZergling | *No : doesn't |
| 23:13.13 | MoonEater916 | and when i say douche i mean god |
| 23:13.14 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 23:13.14 | DeadZergling | as well |
| 23:13.41 | Bounty | Hold up, douche = god ? |
| 23:13.45 | DeadZergling | New game we have going here, correct MoonEater916's grammar. |
| 23:14.17 | MoonEater916 | i thought bounty was the only nazi |
| 23:14.22 | DeadZergling | *waits for someone to say grammar should be spelling* |
| 23:14.49 | MoonEater916 | JADE, tell me the damn answer so i can ignore this double nazi madness |
| 23:15.10 | DeadZergling | What question was period vampire asking anyways? |
| 23:15.11 | JademusSreg | Wat's the question? |
| 23:15.22 | Bounty | oh boy |
| 23:15.27 | Bounty | waits |
| 23:15.39 | MoonEater916 | whats the shortest wait time for triggers |
| 23:15.49 | Bounty | spotted a typo |
| 23:16.09 | MoonEater916 | spotted a douche |
| 23:16.12 | JademusSreg | Was 0.03125, unless they fixed Wait 0. Otherwise 0.0625. |
| 23:16.26 | Bounty | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wat |
| 23:17.15 | Ahli | fixed wait 0? |
| 23:17.28 | MoonEater916 | and nows ahli is here |
| 23:17.48 | MoonEater916 | ahli, thank you for tlling me how to change game machanics in help |
| 23:17.52 | MoonEater916 | telling* |
| 23:17.58 | Bounty | wait 0 is faster than wait 0.0625 |
| 23:17.59 | MoonEater916 | its was very helpful |
| 23:18.20 | Ahli | yeah, wait 0 makes it execute again before the next game frame |
| 23:18.37 | JademusSreg | Unless wait 0 trick was patched out, 0.03125. Something ambiguous? |
| 23:18.43 | Ahli | great way to make sure something runs after all possible events |
| 23:18.53 | Ahli | wait 0 still works fine |
| 23:18.58 | Bounty | not patched Jade |
| 23:19.00 | JademusSreg | Goot. =D |
| 23:19.06 | Ahli | why should they patch that? |
| 23:19.10 | Ahli | it's not a bug I guess |
| 23:19.10 | MoonEater916 | i did not know this |
| 23:19.12 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 23:19.17 | MoonEater916 | this is interesting |
| 23:19.18 | Ahli | it's useful to me |
| 23:19.31 | JademusSreg | Probably is a bug, but an insignificant one. |
| 23:19.41 | Bounty | It is now a feature |
| 23:19.50 | Ahli | ^ |
| 23:19.54 | MoonEater916 | ^ |
| 23:19.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:19.57 | Bounty | < |
| 23:20.00 | MoonEater916 | v |
| 23:20.04 | Bounty | Hay |
| 23:20.08 | Ahli | ^ |
| 23:20.11 | MoonEater916 | > |
| 23:20.14 | Ahli | ) |
| 23:20.15 | Bounty | shit |
| 23:20.20 | Bounty | I can't go that way MoonEater |
| 23:20.23 | Bounty | :( |
| 23:20.32 | MoonEater916 | ur not trying hard enough |
| 23:20.35 | MoonEater916 | u should ask jade |
| 23:20.36 | MoonEater916 | he knows |
| 23:20.43 | Teratron | allright |
| 23:21.11 | Bounty | alright* |
| 23:21.12 | MoonEater916 | OH COME ON ^ NO ONE GOING TO CORRECT HIM? |
| 23:21.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:21.17 | MoonEater916 | thank god |
| 23:21.18 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 23:21.26 | Bounty | I was debating on it |
| 23:21.27 | Teratron | now |
| 23:21.31 | JademusSreg | ↑↑↓↓←→←→↕↨↔ |
| 23:22.07 | Teratron | i've left from before so i haven't done anything now |
| 23:22.16 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 23:22.45 | Bounty | ↕↔↕ ↕ |
| 23:23.02 | pirate | you dont know about rogue stars konami code |
| 23:23.02 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/53oRVJQ.gif |
| 23:23.06 | Teratron | oh sorry |
| 23:23.21 | Teratron | FINALLY CAUGT THE SPIDER that's been pestering me for a week |
| 23:23.33 | Bounty | caught* |
| 23:23.33 | MoonEater916 | pirate nice interface in the bottom left |
| 23:23.36 | Teratron | a super weird invisible one |
| 23:23.46 | MoonEater916 | thats acid |
| 23:23.49 | Teratron | the thing is basically unseen unless i flashed the led light at it |
| 23:24.00 | JademusSreg | pir, that's awesome. |
| 23:24.04 | Teratron | i though there were mosquitos pestering my legs |
| 23:24.08 | Teratron | jeez |
| 23:24.24 | pirate | added that months ago |
| 23:24.26 | Bounty | mosquito's* |
| 23:24.26 | Teratron | even tho i am super paranoid and have all holes and cranies sealed down |
| 23:24.35 | Teratron | so continuing |
| 23:24.36 | JademusSreg | True, |
| 23:24.51 | Teratron | i left from there ahli, now im ready to do this thing |
| 23:25.00 | Teratron | i haven't change anything what you did |
| 23:25.08 | MoonEater916 | try scabies ive seen people with that |
| 23:25.10 | MoonEater916 | holy fuck |
| 23:25.15 | Teratron | i reversed the periodic event |
| 23:25.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:25.20 | pirate | linked the wrong one |
| 23:25.21 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/sVFzM8Z.gif |
| 23:25.22 | MoonEater916 | pritate, that inspires me |
| 23:25.50 | Ahli | what the f*ck, pirate |
| 23:25.54 | JademusSreg | Nice name. |
| 23:26.01 | pirate | ? |
| 23:26.35 | Bounty | http://www.geewa.com/ghost-pritate-attacks |
| 23:26.41 | pirate | (? @ ahli) |
| 23:26.42 | Bounty | lol? |
| 23:26.56 | pirate | jayde was from http://www.wowwiki.com/Jayde |
| 23:27.28 | JademusSreg | Not any less nice a name. |
| 23:27.47 | pirate | ran into the original jayde when I cheated my way into the WotLK beta |
| 23:28.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:28.36 | Bounty | Looks like they gave us a nice little short story to pass the time until the top 10 announcement pirate. |
| 23:28.50 | pirate | which I cheated my way into because I wanted to play as a deathknight SO BAD |
| 23:28.56 | JademusSreg | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Death_Knights_of_Acherus |
| 23:30.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (a2e889dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.137.220) |
| 23:30.44 | Teratron | a1win you here ? |
| 23:30.51 | pirate | at the time he ran http://deathknight.info/ |
| 23:30.55 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:30.59 | A1win | just going to sleep though |
| 23:31.08 | Teratron | hey i got a problem with your targeting validator idea |
| 23:31.20 | MoonEater | ahli |
| 23:31.24 | MoonEater | Ahli |
| 23:31.29 | Ahli | what? |
| 23:31.47 | Ahli | pirate, my what the f*ck was my reaction towards your spell :D |
| 23:31.53 | MoonEater | is it possible to change glossery button names in help?> |
| 23:32.01 | Ahli | text |
| 23:32.04 | Ahli | module |
| 23:32.08 | pirate | you can do anything you want with layout files |
| 23:32.09 | Ahli | has all text in the game |
| 23:34.04 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/14572316/first-international-players-invited-to-test-heroes-and-regional-servers-are-now-available-7-1-2014 jade, give me a theory how multiple servers + people from all over the world still playing vs each other |
| 23:35.04 | MoonEater | ahli for the text module is there a way to search? |
| 23:35.10 | MoonEater | i seem to remember there was |
| 23:35.18 | JademusSreg | VPN+LAN |
| 23:35.35 | Teratron | does anybody know validators and behaviors that has any time please ? |
| 23:35.36 | Ahli | mooneater, no |
| 23:35.46 | Ahli | they removed the search |
| 23:35.47 | pirate | "that has any time" |
| 23:36.35 | pirate | hm, so search areas aren't really supposed to be greater than a certain size? |
| 23:37.13 | Teratron | merc you here ? |
| 23:38.22 | MoonEater | Ahli is there a way to add a section? |
| 23:38.51 | Ahli | dunno, I guess not |
| 23:39.14 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:41.12 | MoonEater | Ahli, is there a way to stop models/actors in help from rotating |
| 23:41.25 | MoonEater | did they give a reason for removing the search? |
| 23:41.43 | Teratron | how do i create a closable UI box for score ? |
| 23:41.53 | MoonEater | dialgos |
| 23:41.55 | MoonEater | dialogs |
| 23:41.58 | MoonEater | via triggers |
| 23:41.59 | Ahli | I don't know, I never tinkered with that stuff other than adding units/removing units from there, mooneater |
| 23:42.00 | pirate | they dont give a reason for anything related to the editor |
| 23:42.23 | pirate | moon, if you can send actor messages to it, it's being rotated by a mover |
| 23:42.24 | Teratron | i never done it |
| 23:42.32 | Teratron | so i don't know how to start |
| 23:42.36 | pirate | if you can figure out which mover, you can remove it |
| 23:42.54 | MoonEater | pirate, in help its being rotated by a mover? |
| 23:43.05 | pirate | actor mover |
| 23:43.10 | pirate | not mover mover |
| 23:43.19 | MoonEater | ill look |
| 23:43.28 | MoonEater | Teratron, theres loads of tutorials on the forum |
| 23:43.31 | MoonEater | start there |
| 23:43.42 | MoonEater | if u need more pinpoint help we can do that |
| 23:43.43 | Teratron | where ? |
| 23:44.22 | Teratron | i've seen some UI stuff around the, but i didn't notice closable one so it can be minimized to just a line |
| 23:44.33 | pirate | dialog item (button) > trigger event: dialog item used (your button) > hide dialog item (your score box) |
| 23:45.00 | MoonEater | Teratron, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/1216-trigger-make-a-dialog-for-race-class-selection/ |
| 23:45.18 | pirate | the real question |
| 23:45.46 | pirate | is why am I getting an Effect overflow error %1 from search effects with radii larger than 16 |
| 23:46.46 | Teratron | does 2010 still work ? |
| 23:46.47 | MoonEater | are you doing movements or pathing? |
| 23:47.08 | MoonEater | Teratron, dialogs shouldnt have changed much since then |
| 23:47.17 | MoonEater | bery fundamental |
| 23:47.19 | MoonEater | very |
| 23:47.30 | pirate | nothing to do with movement, everything to do with time scale |
| 23:47.56 | Teratron | i've seen a bigger tutorial |
| 23:47.59 | pirate | well, actually no, been testing wihout timescale |
| 23:48.00 | Teratron | but i don't remember anymore |
| 23:48.25 | Teratron | i forgot a lot since many months of inactivity |
| 23:48.49 | MoonEater | well dialogs are simple to start |
| 23:48.56 | MoonEater | but can be very complex |
| 23:49.11 | MoonEater | like me |
| 23:49.21 | Teratron | just need one box with 10 lines of strings in it |
| 23:49.22 | MoonEater | i made a drag drop dialog inventory system for an rpg |
| 23:49.28 | MoonEater | very very very complicate |
| 23:49.30 | MoonEater | d |
| 23:49.31 | Teratron | and so it can be closed to hide it |
| 23:49.37 | MoonEater | yep |
| 23:49.41 | MoonEater | simpler |
| 23:49.49 | MoonEater | you would start by making a static dialog |
| 23:49.50 | pirate | you made a drag and drop inventory with dialogs..? |
| 23:49.54 | MoonEater | yes |
| 23:50.00 | pirate | but why |
| 23:50.06 | MoonEater | to be intuitive |
| 23:50.19 | MoonEater | i couldnt think of a better way to let somone equip an axe |
| 23:50.28 | pirate | the in game inventory system is drag and drop |
| 23:50.45 | MoonEater | yes but isnt as complex as i would like it |
| 23:50.45 | pirate | meanwhile a dialog based one has latency online |
| 23:50.58 | pirate | it can be if you use layout files |
| 23:51.11 | MoonEater | really cant be |
| 23:51.21 | pirate | :) |
| 23:51.28 | MoonEater | cause the items r dynamicaly created |
| 23:51.34 | pirate | You dare question lord pirate? |
| 23:51.54 | MoonEater | im sure there are ways to make crazy dynamic items in data |
| 23:52.01 | pirate | that can be accomplished with dummy items and catalog writing |
| 23:52.14 | MoonEater | see no dummy items with me |
| 23:52.42 | pirate | but you get mouse evens |
| 23:53.20 | pirate | which cause very noticeable latency |
| 23:53.26 | Teratron | mooneater what is the event suppose to be ? |
| 23:53.40 | MoonEater | map initialization |
| 23:53.47 | MoonEater | pirate,no |
| 23:53.58 | MoonEater | the base event is laggy because it pops off to much |
| 23:54.02 | MoonEater | u have to choke it |
| 23:54.25 | pirate | right, you can create and destroy the event at will |
| 23:54.34 | MoonEater | ya |
| 23:54.35 | MoonEater | well |
| 23:54.36 | pirate | but the event itself still suffers from latency |
| 23:54.40 | MoonEater | i turn them on off |
| 23:54.43 | MoonEater | quickly |
| 23:54.51 | pirate | and thus the item will 'float |
| 23:54.55 | pirate | around towards your cursor |
| 23:54.58 | pirate | and isnt glued to it |
| 23:55.16 | MoonEater | theres alittle floating admititly but not much |
| 23:55.27 | pirate | it would be enough to drive me crazy :P |
| 23:55.32 | MoonEater | plus theres not attach dialog to cursor or dialog item to cursor command |
| 23:55.38 | MoonEater | so i had to do work arounds |
| 23:55.58 | pirate | which is why I prefer to use the actual inventory system |
| 23:56.10 | Teratron | what is modal non modal mooneater ? |
| 23:56.32 | pirate | ignore it |
| 23:56.33 | MoonEater | well the one i have looks good, custom window |
| 23:56.42 | MoonEater | with underlay and such |
| 23:56.43 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/PP6o02s.jpg |
| 23:56.46 | MoonEater | very clean |
| 23:56.53 | MoonEater | i havent seen a clean data inventory |
| 23:56.55 | pirate | is the inventory I'm currently working on |
| 23:57.03 | pirate | 100% data |
| 23:57.35 | MoonEater | Teratron, dont worrie about that it isnt implemented |
| 23:57.45 | MoonEater | Teratron, i dounbt it ever will be |
| 23:58.42 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/rjeekx4.jpg is the last inventory I made |
| 23:59.16 | pirate | which I have to go and change a bit with what I've learned about layouts in the last couple weeks |
| 23:59.21 | Teratron | what does size mean |
| 23:59.24 | Teratron | pixels ? |
| 23:59.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:59.56 | pirate | you remind me of a small child with and endless stream of whys |
