| 00:11.41 | pirate | look at the archangel encounter from HotS? |
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| 00:18.47 | pirate | I am more proud than I should be of my global backstab behavior |
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| 00:34.24 | Bounty | peow |
| 00:34.26 | EntityEnigma | Oh i dont have hots |
| 00:35.06 | EntityEnigma | sup bounty |
| 00:35.41 | Bounty | n2m u |
| 00:40.22 | EntityEnigma | working on an air strike ablity |
| 00:40.29 | EntityEnigma | ability* |
| 00:40.47 | EntityEnigma | looking at kueken's old airstrike map |
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| 00:53.59 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 00:58.35 | pirate | n2m u |
| 00:59.07 | IskatuMesk | messing around with redoing terrain normal maps |
| 00:59.35 | JademusSreg | is sleeping sleepy sleep. Will be ready for mesking tomorrow. |
| 00:59.54 | pirate | mesking? |
| 01:00.02 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 01:00.10 | IskatuMesk | hello sreg |
| 01:00.10 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 01:00.20 | pirate | the king of the mes |
| 01:01.06 | IskatuMesk | soon I will be ready to start messing with cinematics again, I guess |
| 01:01.19 | IskatuMesk | need to determine if the cutscene editor will be of any use |
| 01:02.15 | IskatuMesk | the main thing I was curious about is if anyone has ever released custom terrain textures |
| 01:02.48 | IskatuMesk | I mostly want to study how someone may have approached making normal maps for them |
| 01:03.14 | pirate | http://www.zarria.net/nrmphoto/nrmphoto.html |
| 01:03.19 | pirate | does that help at all? |
| 01:03.57 | IskatuMesk | possibly |
| 01:04.23 | IskatuMesk | I am using a program called Mindtex to generate the textures, my first experiment was to redo some normals for some existing textures that I felt could be sharper and more detailed |
| 01:04.39 | IskatuMesk | so far that has been fairly successful, but my end goal is to just introduce a dozen+ new tilesets |
| 01:04.45 | pirate | http://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/ is occasionally very relevant and useful |
| 01:06.59 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/suSFgEG.png The red stone texture is using a new normal |
| 01:08.20 | IskatuMesk | though there is an odd bug with this tileset related to the way it blends... you can see those sort of... mesh-like gaps |
| 01:41.13 | Repo | New asset: Pirated Assets - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/pirated-assets/ |
| 01:50.30 | pirate | yahar har |
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| 04:45.33 | pirate | you can dynamically add / remove Site Ops from a unit actor can't you? |
| 04:47.22 | Bounty | attached models? yeah |
| 04:47.38 | Bounty | I usually do it with behaviors |
| 04:50.21 | pirate | whats the actor message to modify site ops? |
| 05:52.26 | W-Crusher | JademusSreg, what is your whole opinion on this Mädchen und sein Buch business. |
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| 08:07.44 | Bounty | such a quiet night |
| 08:09.56 | Merc | work work |
| 08:27.03 | Bounty | Ahli has some explaining to do on behalf of Germany |
| 08:27.13 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2hVFZBz-M |
| 08:27.24 | Bounty | "Man Rescued From Giant Vagina In Germany" |
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| 08:42.44 | Merc | well, here he is |
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| 12:27.21 | EntityEnigma | uugh |
| 12:27.25 | EntityEnigma | this air strike.. |
| 12:27.47 | EntityEnigma | i have no idea what im doing |
| 12:30.08 | EntityEnigma | this is the problem with trying to modify shit from other peoples maps |
| 12:30.37 | EntityEnigma | cant figure out what part of their settup you dont need for your shit to work |
| 12:34.12 | Merc | but hopefully you'll learn a little bit |
| 12:34.18 | Merc | and eventually it all clicks |
| 12:37.26 | EntityEnigma | but i want it naaaaaaaoooooooou |
| 12:40.23 | Merc | I know the feeling :( |
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| 16:37.35 | pirate | http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/pirate/ is an imposter |
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| 17:20.04 | EntityEnigma | would anyone be able to take a look at the map of a poor confused aspiring data editor? |
| 17:35.31 | pirate | what specifically |
| 17:41.32 | EntityEnigma | well im trying to get this air strike ability to work |
| 17:41.53 | EntityEnigma | i have my effects and everything settup the way i think it should be |
| 17:42.14 | EntityEnigma | or at least as close to the map im using as a reference to as possible |
| 17:42.20 | EntityEnigma | yet when i test the ability in game |
| 17:42.33 | EntityEnigma | nothing happens and i cant figure out whats goin on |
| 17:43.30 | EntityEnigma | kueken has his ability set up to drop several payloads while im only trying to get one to drop |
| 17:43.35 | EntityEnigma | idk if that has anything to do with it |
| 17:43.36 | pirate | sure, send link |
| 17:43.38 | pirate | in the mean time |
| 17:44.26 | pirate | anyone know if there's a way I can reverse the facing of a unit (180) instantly with data |
| 17:44.48 | A1win | can teleport effect change facing? |
| 17:44.59 | pirate | I think theres a flag that allows it to |
| 17:45.11 | A1win | could just teleport it on top of itself and turn it |
| 17:45.28 | EntityEnigma | https://www.dropbox.com/s/hm5ntpq1quwmyko/AirStrike.SC2Map |
| 17:46.42 | EntityEnigma | everything ive set up has the key word CAS in it |
| 17:47.30 | EntityEnigma | if you type in air strike in the search bar you can see everthing that pertains to the ability |
| 17:47.41 | pirate | gimme a sec Entity |
| 17:47.45 | EntityEnigma | sure |
| 17:47.57 | EntityEnigma | take ur time |
| 17:49.59 | pirate | hm, teleporting seems to not change facing |
| 17:50.16 | pirate | meh, no big |
| 17:50.37 | pirate | and it's not even for me so I they won't be as anti trigger as I am |
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| 18:20.55 | pirate | kk entity |
| 18:21.01 | pirate | there are many issues with this |
| 18:22.17 | pirate | the first big one is the CAS Create Unit location is set to Target Unit instead of Target Point |
| 18:23.50 | pirate | also in the Initial Persist you have 4 periods but two effects (Create Unit, Dummy Search) -- this will result in 2 units being created and 2 dummy searches (periodic effects loop around once the list is finished) |
| 18:27.46 | pirate | you have a lot of effects that are trying to target a unit when the ability is cast on a point |
| 18:27.55 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 18:28.10 | pirate | do you want the ability to be cast on units only? |
| 18:28.58 | pirate | also, are you aware that you can ctrl click multiple data entries to compare their fields side by side? |
| 18:29.20 | EntityEnigma | WHAT |
| 18:29.42 | pirate | I thought so |
| 18:29.42 | EntityEnigma | ive asked bout this before |
| 18:29.47 | EntityEnigma | no one told me there was a way to do that |
| 18:30.03 | EntityEnigma | well that will make things so much easier |
| 18:30.09 | pirate | shift click works too (it selects a range) |
| 18:30.26 | pirate | with that I'm closing your silly airstrike map and going back to work on Resistor() |
| 18:30.34 | EntityEnigma | and the ability is going to be cast on units affected by a laser designate ability |
| 18:30.50 | EntityEnigma | so idealy i think id want it to target a unit |
| 18:30.57 | EntityEnigma | instead of apoint |
| 18:31.11 | pirate | so it's not going to be an AOE? |
| 18:31.30 | pirate | because generally, having AOEs that require a unit target is poor design |
| 18:31.31 | EntityEnigma | it is goint to do AoE as well |
| 18:31.41 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 18:32.04 | pirate | I mean think about it from a players perspectiver |
| 18:32.59 | EntityEnigma | what do you mean |
| 18:33.18 | pirate | you want to case your big cool aoe and hit your enemies |
| 18:33.27 | pirate | maybe as they're running away |
| 18:33.33 | pirate | just outside the cast range |
| 18:33.47 | pirate | even though the aoe radius is big enough to hit the enemy |
| 18:34.13 | pirate | the game won't let you cast it, because some dev arbitrarily decided that this ability required a unit target |
| 18:35.44 | EntityEnigma | the players gonna need to laser designate a target before the air strike can be launched |
| 18:36.07 | EntityEnigma | so its the laser designate that you need to get on the target |
| 18:36.16 | EntityEnigma | then youll just have to hit air strike |
| 18:36.34 | EntityEnigma | and plain goes woosh and boom |
| 18:36.45 | pirate | so you have to hit two buttons to launch the ability? |
| 18:36.57 | EntityEnigma | yeah |
| 18:37.01 | pirate | :/ |
| 18:37.04 | pirate | why |
| 18:37.08 | EntityEnigma | whats wrong with that |
| 18:37.30 | pirate | nothing, as long as their are specific and thought out design goals behind that decision |
| 18:37.58 | EntityEnigma | it works okay in the NOTDSO map |
| 18:38.06 | EntityEnigma | theres just no plain or missile dropping |
| 18:38.18 | pirate | "because someone else did it" is not a valid answer |
| 18:38.23 | EntityEnigma | current NOTDSO* |
| 18:38.27 | pirate | I want you to think critically about this |
| 18:39.21 | EntityEnigma | i like the mechanics |
| 18:39.32 | EntityEnigma | adds a sense of realism |
| 18:39.57 | EntityEnigma | i guess most people dont play games for realism though |
| 18:40.29 | EntityEnigma | i dont wanna dumb it down though to just one click boom ability |
| 18:40.32 | EntityEnigma | thats boring imo |
| 18:42.37 | EntityEnigma | and zombies dont run away so no need to worry bout that |
| 18:42.38 | EntityEnigma | part |
| 18:43.06 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/14537490/heroes-technical-alpha-patch-notes-june-25-2014-6-25-2014?cid=social_20140625_26689936 |
| 18:43.33 | pirate | it was an example |
| 18:43.47 | Triceron | want so bad |
| 18:43.51 | pirate | requiring an aoe to target a unit reduces player agency |
| 18:44.05 | Triceron | damn you RNGsus! Why no alpha key! |
| 18:46.38 | EntityEnigma | in what way |
| 18:46.42 | EntityEnigma | plz elaborate |
| 18:47.11 | pirate | have we heard reports of this wave of invites actually been sent? |
| 18:47.20 | pirate | I'm still waiting on my legit one too :P |
| 18:47.52 | pirate | Entity, in the simplest of terms: it arbitrarily limits what a player is able to do |
| 18:48.58 | EntityEnigma | i think i get the idea |
| 18:49.37 | EntityEnigma | but most of the way NOTDSO's abilites are set up is to keep players from being rediculously overpowered |
| 18:49.47 | EntityEnigma | most of them are conditional |
| 18:50.37 | EntityEnigma | the abilities are strong but the situation has to be right for them to get the maximum benefit from using them |
| 18:52.18 | EntityEnigma | i personally enjoy those kinds of games because it requires some skill, understanding, and tactical dicision making to gain desired results |
| 18:52.54 | EntityEnigma | i dont wanna create a spam fest map |
| 18:54.05 | EntityEnigma | i cant stand games where you have to continually mash buttons to maintain performance |
| 18:54.19 | EntityEnigma | too much work |
| 18:57.17 | EntityEnigma | thx for the feed back |
| 18:58.33 | Merc | ooh, Triceron, aren't you that super modeler dude |
| 18:58.56 | Merc | know anything about splitbody animations? |
| 18:59.05 | EntityEnigma | i didnt know that the period count for a persistent has to correspond to the number of affects linked to it |
| 19:00.05 | EntityEnigma | or am i wrong |
| 19:01.11 | EntityEnigma | so if i change that to 2 it should fix the issue? |
| 19:02.04 | pirate | it doesnt have to correspond |
| 19:02.09 | pirate | but they are related |
| 19:02.12 | Triceron | I've seen some stuff on split body animations |
| 19:02.21 | Triceron | you mean like walking animation + shooting right? |
| 19:02.33 | EntityEnigma | so how do you know how many periods you need |
| 19:02.34 | Triceron | Delphinium would be the one to ask |
| 19:02.40 | pirate | if your effects are AB and you have 4 periods, the result will be ABAB. if you have 5 periods, the result will be ABABA |
| 19:03.14 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 19:03.24 | pirate | if you want A to occur three times, and B to occur once, than your effects must be AAAB and periods set to 4 |
| 19:04.09 | EntityEnigma | so you can set one effect more than once in period effects? |
| 19:04.14 | Merc | kinda |
| 19:04.35 | Merc | I got this standing animation where my unit is holding something |
| 19:05.07 | Merc | wondering if I can make a new animation out of it by combining the bottom set of the walk animation with the standing animation where he holds something |
| 19:05.17 | Merc | turn it into a new walking animation where he holds something |
| 19:06.10 | EntityEnigma | also would i be able to have the ability target a unit without losing the radius indicator? |
| 19:07.03 | pirate | I think so |
| 19:07.23 | Triceron | there are ways to do it, but I think it involves data |
| 19:07.26 | pirate | but again, that's going to appear counter intuitive to players |
| 19:07.40 | Triceron | I know it's possible though |
| 19:07.46 | Merc | maybe best to just compose the animation in 3ds max? |
| 19:08.08 | Triceron | that would probably be the simplest way |
| 19:08.18 | Triceron | given you have acceess to the tools :P |
| 19:08.22 | Merc | I'll give that a shot then |
| 19:08.35 | Merc | got this orc peon |
| 19:08.54 | Merc | WoW has the "hold lumber" animation |
| 19:09.00 | Merc | but not a walking while holding |
| 19:09.09 | Triceron | Ah yes, the peon. They shoulda given them more animations |
| 19:10.21 | EntityEnigma | interesting |
| 19:10.52 | EntityEnigma | i change the create unit location to target point and the plane finally shows up |
| 19:11.13 | EntityEnigma | guess ill have to figure out how to get it to target the unit later |
| 19:13.17 | EntityEnigma | god that looks cool |
| 19:13.48 | EntityEnigma | thx agian for the help pirate |
| 19:17.26 | Merc | oh that was actually kinda easy |
| 19:17.27 | Merc | cool |
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| 19:21.44 | Arcane|Work | Yoink Boik |
| 19:21.47 | Arcane|Work | Boink* |
| 19:21.49 | Merc | sup |
| 19:22.00 | Arcane|Work | Not much, lunch, spent all morning watching Google IO |
| 19:22.09 | Arcane|Work | Some neat stuff |
| 19:22.39 | Merc | I just made two new animations, was afraid I'd spend hours messing with data and splitbody crap |
| 19:22.51 | Merc | Triceron said it might be easier to just do it outright in 3dsmax |
| 19:23.00 | Merc | took me 15 minutes, heh |
| 19:23.08 | Merc | surprisingly easy |
| 19:23.18 | Arcane|Work | Ahli: I have a question for you, after reading some stuff on sc2mapster, what does the native flag for actions do? Your post seems to indicate you can override any native function with your own definition. |
| 19:52.10 | Merc | alright the time has come to apply these animations on the actor |
| 19:52.26 | Merc | Arcane|Work: you're the resident expert arent you |
| 19:52.32 | Triceron | Just gonna pimp my new proj, non SC2 stuff |
| 19:52.39 | Merc | pimp us |
| 19:52.39 | Triceron | http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970847671/myworkshopfiles/ |
| 19:53.01 | Merc | green bust, gray face? |
| 19:53.06 | Triceron | my first DOTA 2 submission. Please rate, cuz I think it's all based on a voting system before it gets in game |
| 19:53.24 | Triceron | colored part is the 'item' being shown |
| 19:53.33 | Merc | ah |
| 19:53.47 | Merc | looks quite fancy |
| 19:54.22 | Triceron | thanks :) |
| 19:55.08 | Merc | dunno how to rate though |
| 19:55.13 | Merc | logged in but cant see any |
| 19:58.40 | Merc | huh |
| 19:58.51 | Merc | animation properties |
| 19:59.42 | Merc | cooky stuff |
| 20:01.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:01.28 | Merc | look who's lurkin' |
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| 20:06.32 | Bounty | peow |
| 20:08.07 | Merc | haha holy shit I actually got something working without whining (too much) for help |
| 20:08.29 | JademusSreg | Holy shit, Earth-Fury is here; when did that happen? |
| 20:08.59 | JademusSreg | Congrats, Merc. |
| 20:09.01 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/PlZMjgm.jpg |
| 20:09.24 | Merc | these little buggers are actually using the custom animations I made for them |
| 20:09.59 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 20:10.28 | Merc | it's those little victories that give motivation |
| 20:10.33 | Merc | so yay indeed |
| 20:11.27 | JademusSreg | I'm just glad I get to take credit for all future developments from those I assist. It's a warm, fuzzy feeling of pride, and no small amount of egotism, |
| 20:12.07 | Merc | you got every right to claim credit |
| 20:12.26 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 20:12.48 | Merc | btw I didnt start fresh with that troll headhunter, forced it to work with the hydralisk :p |
| 20:12.57 | Merc | but the next unit will be fresh |
| 20:13.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:13.14 | Merc | and I'll take notes of my thought process as I try to learn how |
| 20:13.32 | Merc | or maybe I'll just save it for a night when you're available :p |
| 20:13.54 | JademusSreg | Good idea. Dunno if I'll be free tonight; odds are I'll be busy. |
| 20:14.08 | Merc | there is one thing that doesn't work with the headhunter though, whenever his missile attack lands, there is no impact sound or effect |
| 20:14.21 | JademusSreg | Action actor. |
| 20:15.14 | Merc | "Hydralisk Attack Copy" |
| 20:15.41 | Ahli | Arcane|Work: it's somehow used to indicate that it is just a header for GUI or something... not sure :D in the thread they figured it out |
| 20:17.49 | JademusSreg | Merc, the issue is certanly in the action actor, I mean. Easily solvable./ |
| 20:18.29 | Merc | I'm poking around in there |
| 20:22.15 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.48 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 20:23.59 | Merc | hmh |
| 20:24.02 | Merc | it says <ImpactMap index="None" Model="TrollHeadhunterAttackImpact" Sound="Hydralisk_AttackImpactRanged2"/> |
| 20:24.09 | Merc | and those are all valid entries |
| 20:24.17 | JademusSreg | More likely, it's a value either improperly initialized from the token due to the duplicate parenting, or proper initialziation of the field which links to a nonexistent data entry. |
| 20:25.02 | Arcane|Work | Its both |
| 20:25.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:25.24 | Arcane|Work | Default parent entry but links nowhere. |
| 20:25.50 | JademusSreg | Good think I used the "or" operator and not "xor". |
| 20:26.21 | Arcane|Work | It auto creates the text entry, which gives the appearances its a valid link, but it is not. |
| 20:26.39 | Merc | so.. I should just define it again? |
| 20:27.11 | JademusSreg | Paste the xml and let me gut it. =D |
| 20:27.24 | Merc | arar |
| 20:27.36 | Merc | ok, since you're so nice! |
| 20:27.44 | JademusSreg | is definitely not nice. |
| 20:28.44 | Arcane|Work | I'd more liken JademusSreg to a drill sergeant, nice in that he tells you what you need to know, not what you want to hear :D |
| 20:28.54 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:31.08 | Merc | he's gonna be all disappointed when he sees the actor |
| 20:31.34 | Merc | so many useless events inherited from the hydralisk |
| 20:31.42 | JademusSreg | I'd only be disappointed if it were correct; then I'd have nothing to destroy/fix. |
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| 20:33.30 | Merc | this should be it |
| 20:33.32 | Merc | https://pastee.org/gbrqp |
| 20:33.35 | Merc | it isnt pretty |
| 20:34.11 | JademusSreg | Do ya have the horde parent entries I provided? |
| 20:34.23 | Merc | still got them yea |
| 20:34.30 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 20:35.02 | Merc | redid them a bit due to new naming conventions ofc |
| 20:35.29 | JademusSreg | Pastem, so I know what I'l be referencing. =D |
| 20:35.42 | Merc | https://pastee.org/ypzg4 |
| 20:37.43 | grim001 | finally finished my texture packer... |
| 20:38.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:38.31 | Merc | if you're planning on rewriting the entire thing based on your parent entries, you're giving me a helluva cheat sheet for future reference |
| 20:39.42 | Merc | not sure if you would be able to though, I dont think I gave you all of it |
| 20:40.20 | grim001 | the texture packing algorithm isn't the most efficient, but it's probably among the fastest and simplest... suitable for texture packing at runtime |
| 20:41.07 | JademusSreg | Merc, it's easy. Consists mostly of deleting stuff. |
| 20:41.46 | Merc | is scared |
| 20:42.50 | JademusSreg | grim, gzip? Colour me skeptical if a homebrew solution is superior to established solutions (which is not to say it's impossible). |
| 20:43.25 | JademusSreg | Or is this a different context? |
| 20:43.57 | JademusSreg | Merc, you using Swarm dependency? |
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| 20:44.31 | Bounty | China!!!! *fist raise* |
| 20:44.32 | Bounty | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/68000-email-marketing-writing-effective-marketing-e-mail/#p1 |
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| 20:45.09 | JademusSreg | Bounty, bad link |
| 20:45.11 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:45.20 | Merc | JademusSreg: yea, swarm |
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| 20:45.30 | Bounty | must have been deleted already JademusSreg |
| 20:45.33 | JademusSreg | Merc, kk |
| 20:45.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:45.50 | grim001 | I'm not talking about texture compression, I'm talking about packing individual image files into a texture atlas. |
| 20:45.51 | JademusSreg | Bounty, yeah, that's me just being efficient. |
| 20:45.55 | Bounty | yeah, it got deleted |
| 20:46.00 | CerseiLannister | Oh, Jaime, yes! Yes! YESSSS1 |
| 20:47.07 | A1win | today's results, navigation grid generation: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq_GwzXCQAAF_-G.png:large |
| 20:48.58 | Bounty | Look like Zolden is bored |
| 20:55.49 | Merc | got all dramatic in here |
| 20:56.05 | Merc | hate to dump all this on you and run JademusSreg, but it's bedtime for me |
| 20:56.11 | Merc | good night fellas |
| 20:56.20 | Merc | gonna go to bed flexing over this animation victory |
| 20:56.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:56.37 | Bounty | night Merc |
| 21:45.47 | Triceron | poop |
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| 21:47.34 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:47.45 | IskatuMesk | yo |
| 21:47.54 | IskatuMesk | where you been all my life sregy-kun |
| 21:48.27 | JademusSreg | Hallo. Been napping and tending to my clutch of larval progeny, Iskatu-san. |
| 21:48.31 | JademusSreg | brb in 5 |
| 21:48.41 | IskatuMesk | oh boy |
| 21:49.00 | IskatuMesk | I hope you feed them plenty of interns |
| 21:49.32 | pirate | lol |
| 21:49.42 | pirate | "themusic" is the UI guy from starparty, yeah? |
| 21:50.45 | IskatuMesk | he's not... the music guy? |
| 21:51.40 | Triceron | how utterly confusing |
| 21:53.02 | pirate | I dont think they have a music guy |
| 21:53.20 | IskatuMesk | the music guy is probably "theui" |
| 21:53.25 | Triceron | Who's on first? |
| 21:57.30 | IskatuMesk | hmm |
| 21:57.38 | IskatuMesk | I might have to just redo the battlecruisers entirely I guess |
| 21:58.10 | IskatuMesk | maybe that will be where I can begin my journey to failing at textures/uvs |
| 21:58.23 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:58.46 | IskatuMesk | they are soo ugly :( |
| 21:58.56 | IskatuMesk | hey jade, do you know much about how the melee AI works? |
| 21:59.00 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 21:59.04 | IskatuMesk | the wave behavior? |
| 22:00.34 | JademusSreg | Well, campaign AI uses the AttackWave API, whereas melee AI uses more general Wave API; the former is a narrow subset of the latter, and the former is intended to be a dumber, disposable approach to unit management. |
| 22:00.43 | JademusSreg | To which do you refer? |
| 22:00.58 | IskatuMesk | we are using the melee AI through and through |
| 22:01.05 | IskatuMesk | so, meleewaveai.galaxy |
| 22:01.37 | IskatuMesk | what we have right now is a functional melee AI in a campaign environment where we can choose builds based on the map id |
| 22:01.40 | IskatuMesk | it all works |
| 22:01.43 | IskatuMesk | defense, expanding, whatnot |
| 22:01.50 | IskatuMesk | but I would like the attack waves to be less retarded |
| 22:02.21 | IskatuMesk | like... they should use transports more aggressively for long distances, or use transports at all (does transport wave seriously do nothing? it seems to do nothing) |
| 22:02.46 | IskatuMesk | but since we are galaxy chobos we have been having a hard enough time just figuring out how anything works to begin with. There is no documentation to speak of |
| 22:02.55 | JademusSreg | Melee AIs are split among a whole bunchy of files, but the natives which make up the spinal-column of the API are fairly well segregrated from the other files. Lemme see what I can excise for browsing. |
| 22:03.19 | IskatuMesk | I figured you'd need to just rewrite that file entirely to get decent behavior out of it |
| 22:04.45 | JademusSreg | So here's the big ol' paste which encapsulates the core AI shit: https://pastee.org/5ger4 |
| 22:05.38 | JademusSreg | At the bottom are the two init functions for campaign and melee AI, dispersed throughout are the natives, constant enums, and utility functions commonly employed by AI shit. |
| 22:05.39 | IskatuMesk | I wish I was competent enough to know how to use any of that :3 |
| 22:06.02 | IskatuMesk | yeah I've played around with those a bit |
| 22:06.11 | IskatuMesk | also with the merge behavior, a lot of timings, stuff like that |
| 22:06.31 | IskatuMesk | but currently they sort of congo line across the map... it's not very fast, and I'm sure it's one of the reasons the game is so laggy |
| 22:06.53 | IskatuMesk | if you are familiar with the meleewaveai.galaxy I'm sure you know a few quick ways to spruce it up? |
| 22:07.13 | IskatuMesk | when I looked at the transport attack section literally nothing about it made sense to me |
| 22:07.41 | IskatuMesk | it just seems to pull information out of its ass (hardcode?) and do magic with it without really doing anything |
| 22:09.24 | JademusSreg | Possibly. Could probably throw some code at the wall and see what sticks later this evening; currently preening and brooding over my larvae. |
| 22:09.35 | IskatuMesk | tactical AI should be hilariously painful when I get into it |
| 22:09.48 | JademusSreg | Can render more technically involved assistance in about 4 or 5 hours. |
| 22:09.55 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 22:10.22 | pirate | how do I reference custom font styles configured in the Text module? |
| 22:10.31 | pirate | (reference them in XML) |
| 22:10.39 | JademusSreg | Tactical AI can be defined either through script or data, so that's fortunate' data tactical AI tends to be preferable in terms of performance (at the expense of flexibility). |
| 22:11.00 | JademusSreg | pir, gotta define custom style shit. I should have an example. |
| 22:11.04 | IskatuMesk | I tried to fix the roach's data tactical AI in the past but nothing was happening... and I had no idea why |
| 22:11.35 | IskatuMesk | only when we switched to melee and got all the melee galaxy for tactical AI working did they decide to do burrowing |
| 22:11.52 | pirate | got my defined styles (with color and size and shit) in FontStyles.SC2Style |
| 22:11.56 | IskatuMesk | guess I'll try again soon enough with our siege cruiser |
| 22:13.13 | JademusSreg | font="nameofsomeshittyfont.otf" |
| 22:14.04 | pirate | that's for setting it up in the Style file |
| 22:14.30 | pirate | what do I put in my label xml for <Style val="???"/> |
| 22:14.33 | JademusSreg | You'd reference them via the style. |
| 22:14.55 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/vmwk9 |
| 22:14.58 | pirate | does it need an @ or somethin |
| 22:15.05 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 22:15.29 | pirate | no @ crashes. @@ crashes |
| 22:15.33 | pirate | loading @ now |
| 22:15.51 | JademusSreg | Crashes are potentially useful, harhar. |
| 22:15.57 | pirate | @ crashes |
| 22:16.00 | pirate | :( |
| 22:16.26 | JademusSreg | Hold on, what kind of font are you using? |
| 22:16.57 | pirate | .ot |
| 22:16.59 | pirate | .otf |
| 22:17.12 | pirate | https://pastee.org/dgtr2 |
| 22:17.20 | JademusSreg | The value should just be the id of the style. |
| 22:17.40 | pirate | https://pastee.org/mzn7w @22 |
| 22:17.54 | JademusSreg | Also, your template inheritence looks all fucked up. |
| 22:18.20 | pirate | hrm? |
| 22:19.17 | JademusSreg | Raleway32Bold templates from Raleway16Bold before it's even defined. |
| 22:19.44 | pirate | blame GUI |
| 22:20.25 | JademusSreg | Blame the tools first, blame the user for not fixing it immediately thereafter. =D |
| 22:20.47 | pirate | I fixed it |
| 22:22.10 | pirate | and now the editor doesnt start |
| 22:22.16 | JademusSreg | -Awesome-. |
| 22:22.19 | pirate | jk |
| 22:22.38 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, trying to find the demo whereI messed with the fonts. |
| 22:22.56 | pirate | oh, but no really, now opening the UI module does crash the editor |
| 22:23.29 | JademusSreg | Sounds like the XML will require manual editing, weee. |
| 22:26.55 | pirate | deleted my FontStyle file and UI module still crashes the editor |
| 22:27.00 | pirate | wat do |
| 22:27.15 | JademusSreg | Remove/rename the .SC2Layout files. |
| 22:28.41 | JademusSreg | Found it. |
| 22:30.18 | JademusSreg | I'm using .ttf but should be the same, either way. |
| 22:30.38 | pirate | unbroke editor |
| 22:32.20 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the different @, @@, #, and ## tokens serve different purposes. |
| 22:32.37 | pirate | @@ is for race tints yeh? |
| 22:33.11 | JademusSreg | Don't use them unless you're referencing externalized data or token-defined variants. |
| 22:33.36 | pirate | k |
| 22:36.07 | JademusSreg | (When such tokens are used in standard UI, it's to refer to racial-specific variations of a given style.) |
| 22:37.22 | JademusSreg | (Not to be confused with constant references.) |
| 22:39.48 | pirate | rebroke the ui editor |
| 22:40.36 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 22:47.47 | pirate | false prophet jade |
| 22:48.05 | pirate | convinces you to change your layout file and corrupt all UI data |
| 22:55.15 | pirate | hokay, everything is back in working oreder |
| 22:58.36 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:00.54 | pirate | much of the crashing came from an attempt hide specific inventory slot tooltips by setting TooltipFrame="" |
| 23:01.20 | pirate | which, oddly, worked a couple times in game before deciding to ruin everything |
| 23:09.11 | pirate | and on top of it all my font now works |
| 23:09.14 | pirate | huzzah |
| 23:09.14 | Bounty | zomagerd |
| 23:09.15 | Bounty | 5 dayz |
| 23:09.36 | Bounty | I think I am going to setup a camera to get my reaction if I don't make top 10 |
| 23:10.01 | Bounty | a moment worthy of remembrance |
| 23:12.16 | pirate | gah, I have to go back to rogue star soon and time the next content release with the voting period |
| 23:13.00 | Bounty | Not really that pirate but I think you should have something prepared in case you win |
| 23:13.06 | Bounty | some more content |
| 23:14.01 | pirate | there's another 30 mins of content that I wanted to include with contest submission but didnt have time to |
| 23:14.05 | pirate | it's mostly done |
| 23:14.08 | pirate | I've just been lazy |
| 23:14.43 | JademusSreg | I'll assume some problems caused by not closing client. |
| 23:14.57 | pirate | regardless I intend to add more classes, chapters, and multiplayer to rogue star in the long term |
| 23:15.24 | pirate | @Jade the false positive of my tooltip hiding came from not closing client |
| 23:15.36 | pirate | have since found a better alternative to tooltip hiding |
| 23:15.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:16.15 | pirate | Jade I am very excited to show you this UI once fully functional |
| 23:17.54 | JademusSreg | Because it will show those tools who thought it impossible rather than admit incompetence? |
| 23:18.33 | JademusSreg | Since, ya know, I always enjoy such things. |
| 23:19.41 | pirate | partially |
| 23:20.07 | pirate | partially because it's functionally beautiful |
| 23:20.25 | JademusSreg | I especially enjoy elegance of interface. |
| 23:21.38 | JademusSreg | I like how herostorm uses inventory for dynamically acquired actives. |
| 23:22.11 | pirate | new patch apparently overhauled a lot of UI |
| 23:22.17 | pirate | haven't had a chance to look yet |
| 23:23.02 | IskatuMesk | hi |
| 23:23.58 | pirate | ahoy |
| 23:27.58 | JademusSreg | Most recent SC2 and herostorm patches are 30508 and 30509 respectively. |
| 23:28.28 | JademusSreg | (Shows that herostorm is still a SC2 fork, if looking throughh the binary didn't show as much.)) |
| 23:36.51 | IskatuMesk | so jademus |
| 23:36.55 | IskatuMesk | what have you been doing |
| 23:36.58 | IskatuMesk | other than making larva |
| 23:37.11 | IskatuMesk | any of your side projects go anywhere? |
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| 23:37.59 | IskatuMesk | did your resume stuff work out? |
| 23:38.58 | JademusSreg | Still got various projects going in some direction, and my resume looks daper. =D |
| 23:39.18 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 23:39.40 | IskatuMesk | we got evicted and I've had to dealt with cat health problems for the last months since december, so I haven't gotten as much done as I'd liked |
| 23:40.00 | IskatuMesk | been a year of hell so far |
| 23:40.43 | Bounty | *picks up the scent of awkwardness* |
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| 23:41.05 | IskatuMesk | at least we got the AI foundation working |
| 23:41.12 | IskatuMesk | I have most of the maps base terrain laid out as well |
| 23:41.23 | IskatuMesk | just need to work on graphics, data, the boring stuff |
| 23:41.28 | Bounty | what game is this IskatuMesk? |
| 23:41.28 | IskatuMesk | sc2 |
| 23:41.35 | JademusSreg | Can't be awkwardness between people who can't feel awkward. |
| 23:41.36 | Bounty | ya think? |
| 23:41.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:41.41 | DeadZergling | first year of hell isn't so bad, as you hang onto the hope that things will get better eventually |
| 23:41.46 | Bounty | I know its SC2 but I mean what is the map |
| 23:41.48 | IskatuMesk | it's a private campaign |
| 23:42.05 | IskatuMesk | it's a TC + a lot of maps in essence |
| 23:42.23 | IskatuMesk | melee style, intended for high skill |
| 23:42.24 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure history shows neither of us are remotely capable of that sensation. |
| 23:43.12 | IskatuMesk | well DeadZergling I ended the last year with pneumonia that lasted 2 months and got pretty close to killing me, then the cat shit started, now we have to find a place to live in a really shitty part of canada... yeah, hope isn't my strong point :32 |
| 23:43.14 | IskatuMesk | :3* |
| 23:43.25 | IskatuMesk | I just try to focus on my work |
| 23:43.34 | IskatuMesk | mostly video related |
| 23:43.40 | Bounty | My hands are starting to shake JademusSreg... |
| 23:43.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:44.00 | IskatuMesk | my last project is dead though. The stress and the lack of hearing from a guy about character models killed it |
| 23:44.28 | IskatuMesk | http://www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/ret_devseries/rettest18.mkv http://www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/ret_devseries/rettest19.mkv |
| 23:44.30 | IskatuMesk | if you're curious |
| 23:44.58 | IskatuMesk | the assets there are in large part all mine |
| 23:45.03 | IskatuMesk | particles, sounds, textures, models, voices |
| 23:45.15 | JademusSreg | Bounty, why would your hands shake? |
| 23:45.24 | IskatuMesk | he wants to congratulate you on your resume |
| 23:45.40 | Bounty | lol nothing, I thought you would have got it |
| 23:45.49 | Bounty | in other news |
| 23:46.01 | Bounty | Ahli got trapped inside a giant vagina |
| 23:46.02 | Bounty | http://rt.com/news/167684-stone-vagina-germany-rescue/ |
| 23:46.27 | IskatuMesk | oh, they finally found my sister |
| 23:46.31 | Bounty | You would think he would have took notice of the sign |
| 23:46.32 | JademusSreg | Ah, I was operating on the tentative hypothesis that excess stimulants induced impairment of motor control. |
| 23:46.34 | Bounty | http://www.tagblatt.de/cms_media/module_bi/760/380110_1_org_warnung.jpg |
| 23:46.47 | Bounty | lol no JademusSreg |
| 23:46.52 | Bounty | not today at least |
| 23:47.28 | JademusSreg | I wonder if such impairment is endocrine or a manner of latency issue |
| 23:48.18 | Bounty | Only time I know of the body shaking is excessive caffeine or a serious hangover |
| 23:48.53 | Bounty | caffeine typically only ever gave me muscle spasms in my thigh |
| 23:49.05 | IskatuMesk | I need more coffee |
| 23:49.08 | Bounty | alcohol on the other hand |
| 23:49.16 | Bounty | I felt like that scene from kill bill |
| 23:49.20 | Bounty | when shes trying to eat the rice |
| 23:49.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:49.45 | Bounty | You know whats good IskatuMesk? Monster Java |
| 23:50.26 | DeadZergling | so uh IskatuMesk , you making a map, or a movie? |
| 23:50.29 | IskatuMesk | is that one of those super caffinated energy drink |
| 23:50.45 | Bounty | Its not as bad as Monster Energy Drink |
| 23:50.49 | IskatuMesk | in those videos? those videos were asset tests that would eventually be for a movie, yes |
| 23:50.52 | IskatuMesk | but that project is dead |
| 23:51.00 | Bounty | its just iced coffee + a bit of Monster pep |
| 23:51.00 | IskatuMesk | in starcraft 2 it's a campaign. |
| 23:51.16 | Bounty | Are those videos inside the SC2 engine? |
| 23:51.19 | IskatuMesk | no |
| 23:51.21 | IskatuMesk | sins of a solar empire |
| 23:51.24 | IskatuMesk | I could do a lot more with sc2 |
| 23:51.28 | IskatuMesk | sins is extremely limited |
| 23:51.32 | Bounty | Was about to say |
| 23:51.36 | IskatuMesk | the particles for example, wc3 is a lot more powerful |
| 23:51.39 | Bounty | Mah gawd |
| 23:51.40 | DeadZergling | such a sad ending to rettest18 |
| 23:51.49 | DeadZergling | the poor dragon guy was still trapped in that room of awfulness |
| 23:51.53 | IskatuMesk | hahahaha |
| 23:51.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:51.58 | Bounty | dem feels |
| 23:52.00 | IskatuMesk | yeah that scene was very unfinished |
| 23:52.05 | IskatuMesk | it's like, a week of work start to finish |
| 23:52.10 | IskatuMesk | learning the UDK for it and all |
| 23:52.23 | IskatuMesk | the dude was from lineage 2 |
| 23:52.29 | IskatuMesk | I can (and have) put those into sc2 as well |
| 23:53.04 | IskatuMesk | dunno if the sc2 cinematics can ever be like that though |
| 23:53.09 | IskatuMesk | the restricted triggers really piss me off |
| 23:53.15 | Bounty | DeadZergling.... Death TV? |
| 23:53.23 | Bounty | no? yes? |
| 23:53.38 | DeadZergling | what, it is |
| 23:53.58 | Bounty | Any work? |
| 23:54.06 | DeadZergling | not really, lost interet |
| 23:55.35 | JademusSreg | Energy drink leads to B6 toxicity which in turn causes a vicious cycle; B6 toxicity is characterized by lethargy and motor impairment of extremities starting with the legs. This lethargy causes further energy drink consumption, which worsens B6 toxicity. |
| 23:55.38 | Bounty | if you make top 10... would that jump start your interest? |
| 23:56.01 | IskatuMesk | I am already as lethargic as lethargic gets |
| 23:56.08 | DeadZergling | it might, but it isn't like my interest can make it much better in terms of what people will vote on |
| 23:56.25 | IskatuMesk | just run a bot through tor to vote for you |
| 23:56.33 | Bounty | I usually only have 1 drink a day/every other day |
| 23:56.52 | Bounty | I mostly use those Crystal Light Energy packets |
| 23:56.58 | Bounty | so cheap |
| 23:57.07 | Bounty | and just caffeine |
| 23:57.14 | DeadZergling | second video is definitely better, but it just goes on for so long |
| 23:57.21 | IskatuMesk | I used to drink 2 pots+ of coffee a day, but I'm apparently immune to stimulants according to a doctor so it was more out of habit... now everything is packed away |
| 23:57.23 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 23:57.25 | IskatuMesk | it's a test video |
| 23:57.26 | DeadZergling | needs more ship chunks and flying bodies |
| 23:57.31 | DeadZergling | if I'm to watch this long |
| 23:57.38 | IskatuMesk | bodies would be too small to see at that scale |
| 23:57.42 | IskatuMesk | ship chunks are impossible in that engine |
| 23:57.49 | IskatuMesk | you can make random debris but they lag a lot |
| 23:57.53 | Bounty | Takes about 4-5 hours to fully wake up these days |
| 23:58.06 | Bounty | To the point that I am sharp |
| 23:58.13 | themusic | howdy |
| 23:58.16 | IskatuMesk | anyways, the actual video was never started on, because the assets had to be finished |
| 23:58.24 | IskatuMesk | all of those videos are basically tests of the asset work |
| 23:58.27 | Bounty | howdy themusic |
| 23:58.31 | IskatuMesk | the sins material was about 60% finished |
| 23:58.43 | IskatuMesk | accounting to about 4-5 years grand total of work |
| 23:58.50 | DeadZergling | they might lag, but they are necessary |
| 23:59.01 | Bounty | JademusSreg and DeadZergling, themusic = the guy who did the UI for Star Party and Makeshift Combat |
| 23:59.08 | IskatuMesk | so are UV's and textures, but I can't do those |
| 23:59.13 | IskatuMesk | so I just ignored them |
| 23:59.14 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 23:59.23 | IskatuMesk | lag is bad |
| 23:59.29 | IskatuMesk | those are already 15fps |
| 23:59.31 | IskatuMesk | which is terrible |
| 23:59.34 | IskatuMesk | but the best it can manage |
| 23:59.38 | DeadZergling | having boring ship fights is worse |
| 23:59.42 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 23:59.49 | IskatuMesk | actual fights in the movie would be much shorter |
| 23:59.57 | IskatuMesk | eventually I consigned that doing it via a game was not going to work |
