| 00:04.35 | A1win | if buttons overlap, only the topmost one will get highlighted/pressed, not both |
| 00:07.00 | pirate | right, but i want the same hover image to be presented if either buttons are highlighted |
| 00:07.45 | pirate | except now it seems you can't have invisible normal images and visible hover images (since they're stacked) |
| 00:08.26 | pirate | I think I'm going to take a step back from ideal UI design and focus on functional |
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| 01:16.38 | Bounty | peowza |
| 01:16.45 | Bounty | any luck pirate? |
| 01:24.27 | pirate | yeah, taking a different approach |
| 01:25.27 | pirate | should still result in intuitive happy-to-use UI |
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| 01:41.16 | pirate | when is a button not a button? |
| 01:43.05 | pirate | what I really want, is to change how dialog control buttons vs. inventory command buttons handle left and right clicks |
| 01:43.58 | pirate | a quirk of the inventory system, is that inventory items can be LEFT clicked and dragged onto inventory slots covered by a button |
| 01:44.36 | pirate | however, RIGHT clicks fail to penetrate through buttons |
| 01:45.02 | pirate | (also, I called this: http://i.imgur.com/7cj6L0e.jpg) |
| 01:58.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:58.31 | Bounty | "When is a button not a button?" - Pirate, 2014 |
| 01:58.52 | pirate | Life would be so much nicer if you could right click a 'held' inventory item into a slot through a button |
| 01:58.55 | Bounty | what did you call? is there a patch or something? |
| 01:59.36 | pirate | tuesday patch, account wipe, and my invite email |
| 01:59.55 | Bounty | ? talking about Heroes I assume |
| 01:59.59 | pirate | ye |
| 02:00.04 | Bounty | ah |
| 02:03.11 | Bounty | Well I just got another piece of motivation to make that game centered around living as an animal in Africa |
| 02:03.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:04.11 | Bounty | Been watching buttloads of videos about it and its like the Serengetee was destined to be a video game |
| 02:04.23 | Bounty | perfect balance, no OPness |
| 02:08.02 | pirate | I prefer my philosophy |
| 02:08.15 | pirate | "If everyone's OP, than no one's OP" |
| 02:08.29 | Bounty | well yeah thats pretty much what I'm seeing from these videos |
| 02:08.52 | Bounty | Could be an interesting setting |
| 02:09.12 | Bounty | What goes on in the wild outside of where the terran/zeg/protoss bases are :) |
| 02:09.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:10.42 | Bounty | Would be nice if we had server side banks because then I could REALLY do something interesting with it. |
| 02:27.48 | Bounty | Going to have to buy the licence to use this song though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CjaaOdlhA |
| 02:27.51 | Bounty | MUST be in the game lol |
| 02:50.54 | Bounty | JademusSreg, if I go through with this you should work with me on it |
| 02:51.00 | Bounty | =P |
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| 04:15.09 | Bounty | looks like this is going to be a very dull night, judging from who has quit |
| 04:16.21 | turtles1 | I'm still here |
| 04:16.24 | turtles1 | :) |
| 04:17.37 | Bounty | Oh hay, you're on my loading screen =P |
| 04:17.39 | Bounty | lol <3 |
| 04:23.50 | Bounty | How have you been turtles1? been awhile |
| 04:28.13 | turtles1 | yeah. A lot of stuff going on |
| 04:28.37 | turtles1 | promotion at work so I've been in there almost every day learning stuff |
| 04:28.58 | turtles1 | and father in law is very sick so helping look after him |
| 04:29.22 | turtles1 | just mucking around creating an AI for SC2 |
| 04:29.45 | turtles1 | I'm going to enter it into the next GSL and get in code S :P |
| 04:30.28 | turtles1 | what about you? still busy with the first person shooter? |
| 04:31.37 | Bounty | yes but, I will not go on into other stuff |
| 04:31.54 | Bounty | feels kind of rude given what you listed |
| 04:32.02 | Bounty | <3 |
| 04:32.31 | turtles1 | thanks :) |
| 04:32.48 | turtles1 | hows the rock the cabinet comp going? |
| 04:32.48 | Bounty | np, hope everything works out for ya |
| 04:32.59 | Bounty | no idea honestly |
| 04:33.08 | Bounty | the voting period begins on the 30th |
| 04:33.13 | turtles1 | Blizzards MO: absolute silence |
| 04:34.07 | Bounty | I hope I make it to the final 10 |
| 04:34.35 | Bounty | ironically, anything less than top 3 and I will rage |
| 04:34.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:35.11 | Bounty | but yes, Renee and yourself are on the loading screen turtles1 |
| 04:35.20 | Bounty | I labelled you as "Math Master" |
| 04:35.22 | Bounty | if that is ok? |
| 04:35.23 | turtles1 | woo! :) |
| 04:35.32 | turtles1 | yeah |
| 04:36.12 | Bounty | I would have loved to make the entire loading screen that but for reasons I'm sure you're aware of I made it the top left corner |
| 04:36.37 | Bounty | Renee, yourself and any royalty free music artists I used |
| 04:37.20 | turtles1 | hahaha actually I would say I'm not all that good at math |
| 04:37.22 | Bounty | Renee = Author of the GAx3 and GAx4 mod btw |
| 04:37.31 | Bounty | eh does not matter |
| 04:37.32 | turtles1 | but I'll accept the label on your loading screen |
| 04:37.38 | Bounty | would not have happened without you |
| 04:37.44 | Bounty | like I said before lol |
| 04:37.56 | turtles1 | yeah, loading screens are shitty to design using the editors tools |
| 04:38.28 | turtles1 | I think it's just easier to create a loading screen in photoshop/paint with the text in the picture |
| 04:38.37 | turtles1 | and just have the picture as the loading screen |
| 04:39.10 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:39.14 | Bounty | which is what I did |
| 04:39.18 | Bounty | with the exception of credits |
| 04:39.22 | Bounty | I did that in editor |
| 05:34.02 | turtles1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe0ePD8jPA&feature=youtu.be |
| 05:34.26 | turtles1 | Creating an AI which can follow buyild orders you give it |
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| 05:34.46 | turtles1 | or store them in banks and randomly pick one to use against you |
| 05:35.08 | turtles1 | only just started so obviously it's not very impressive |
| 05:35.31 | turtles1 | the AI manages to fuck up a 2 gate zealot rush in this video. but it's a proof of concept |
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| 05:49.27 | Ahli | the f*ck man, there is no warm water in this building... ahhh |
| 05:49.40 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:07.57 | Bounty | wb pirate |
| 06:08.10 | pirate | tanks |
| 06:13.37 | pirate | bye arcane |
| 06:14.16 | pirate | in case anyone is interested, here is playtime data I've collected over the last two weeks |
| 06:14.49 | Ahli | yes, agent pirate, that would be interesting. |
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| 06:17.05 | pirate_ | internet dies |
| 06:18.08 | pirate_ | as I was saying, playtime does not account for multiple blizz accounts playing the same game (ie, 6 players playing for 10 minutes is counted as 10 minutes, not 60) |
| 06:22.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:22.46 | Bounty | the timing of your internets death is quite amusing |
| 06:25.45 | pirate | did I miss any comments? |
| 06:27.16 | Merc | well there was this pirate imposter here |
| 06:27.22 | pirate | yup |
| 06:27.29 | pirate | then I killed 'im |
| 06:27.34 | Merc | yar |
| 06:27.49 | pirate | off into the sunset I go |
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| 06:55.17 | Bounty | Goa_ |
| 06:55.27 | Bounty | why do you always include the _ nowadays? |
| 06:55.33 | Merc | looks cooler |
| 06:55.57 | Goa_ | Cause Goa arent registered by me |
| 06:56.02 | Bounty | a wild Merc appears! |
| 06:56.11 | Merc | :0 |
| 06:58.04 | Bounty | quite dull in here for the last few days |
| 06:58.15 | Bounty | for the most part |
| 06:59.22 | Merc | clearly you gotta help me more with that data stuff |
| 06:59.50 | Bounty | don't you be bringing that data towards my hood bro |
| 07:00.01 | Merc | and I guess you've been missing out on Ahli and ArcanePariah and JademusReg speculating about new editor stuff |
| 07:00.20 | Bounty | Trigga what what |
| 07:00.32 | Bounty | nah I |
| 07:00.40 | Bounty | I swear to god |
| 07:00.52 | Bounty | I hate the position of the ' and Enter key |
| 07:00.59 | Bounty | but neways |
| 07:01.05 | Bounty | yeah i've seen it |
| 07:01.09 | Merc | oh it's there on english keyboards too? |
| 07:01.13 | Merc | geez who came up with that |
| 07:01.19 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 07:01.23 | Bounty | very annoying |
| 07:01.49 | Bounty | should just move the enter key into its own little habitat |
| 07:02.10 | Merc | they moved it on the mac keyboards |
| 07:02.12 | Merc | it's awesome |
| 07:02.17 | Bounty | layous were designed like 30 years ago, I think we can do better |
| 07:02.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:02.20 | Merc | left of the 1 key instead |
| 07:02.34 | Bounty | I'm sure they did Merc |
| 07:02.38 | Merc | the qwerty layout is like 100 years old isnt it |
| 07:02.49 | Bounty | Apple actually innovates... sometimes at least lol |
| 07:02.52 | Bounty | just enough though |
| 07:03.05 | Merc | could convert to Dvorak |
| 07:03.08 | Merc | feel all special |
| 07:03.18 | Bounty | I think |
| 07:03.28 | Bounty | If these people had ever upgraded to a new mouse |
| 07:03.41 | Merc | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/KB_Dvorak_Right.svg/900px-KB_Dvorak_Right.svg.png |
| 07:03.42 | Bounty | they could understand how little the feel of the keyboard matters |
| 07:03.48 | Merc | cant even see the ' there though |
| 07:03.55 | Bounty | like you can move shit around |
| 07:03.57 | Merc | unless it's the one by the G |
| 07:04.14 | Bounty | the fuck is that Merc? |
| 07:04.14 | Bounty | lool |
| 07:04.20 | Merc | Dvorak |
| 07:04.36 | Merc | designed to type faster with |
| 07:04.41 | Bounty | that is... erm... interesting |
| 07:04.48 | Merc | as opposed to qwerty which is designed to slow you down |
| 07:05.08 | Bounty | you would think innovation with the keyboard would have started a long time ago lol |
| 07:05.30 | Merc | people were used to the typewriter layout, kept it |
| 07:05.31 | Bounty | just move the keyboard over a letter keys distance |
| 07:05.34 | Bounty | problem solved |
| 07:05.37 | Bounty | have a gap |
| 07:05.52 | Bounty | yeah... |
| 07:06.12 | Merc | dvorak is pretty old too, it just never caught on |
| 07:06.19 | Bounty | idk about you but I always move my pinkie to the right when I hit enter |
| 07:06.21 | Merc | because .. people preferred shitty qwerty |
| 07:06.26 | Bounty | I never use that left portion |
| 07:06.40 | Bounty | unless its for a typo |
| 07:06.46 | Bounty | which involves the ' |
| 07:07.20 | Merc | ohe way of dealing with it is to enable shift+Enter as the submit command |
| 07:07.25 | Merc | one. |
| 07:08.00 | Bounty | that is silly |
| 07:08.09 | Bounty | your just making the input more complicated |
| 07:08.13 | Merc | "patented in 1936" |
| 07:08.17 | Bounty | move it over a bit |
| 07:08.22 | Bounty | have a gap between ' and enter |
| 07:08.36 | Merc | I actually really liked the positioning of the ' in mac keyboards |
| 07:08.40 | Merc | felt right |
| 07:08.49 | Bounty | all keys do not have to connect |
| 07:08.57 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:08.59 | Bounty | ' is right |
| 07:09.01 | Bounty | its the enter key |
| 07:09.08 | Bounty | it has so much power |
| 07:09.23 | Bounty | yet its controlled by the weakest of fingers |
| 07:09.27 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:09.33 | Merc | enter key should be a big red button all by itself |
| 07:09.49 | Bounty | nobody looks at their keyboard |
| 07:10.02 | Bounty | just move it over a bit |
| 07:10.08 | Bounty | when your want to hit enter you will |
| 07:10.13 | Bounty | but when you misjudge the ' key |
| 07:10.15 | Bounty | you hit nothing |
| 07:10.21 | Bounty | very simple |
| 07:10.33 | Merc | hidden under one of those lids |
| 07:10.38 | Merc | "break glass in case of enter" |
| 07:11.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:11.31 | Merc | mac keyboards put the @ in place of the ' I think |
| 07:11.32 | Bounty | watch someone in this IRC be writing this shit down |
| 07:11.34 | Merc | worked well |
| 07:11.35 | Bounty | and patent it |
| 07:11.41 | Bounty | come out with the product and they get rich |
| 07:11.44 | Merc | surrounded the Enter key with keys that are normally not used in sentences |
| 07:11.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:12.01 | Bounty | really? thats odd |
| 07:12.13 | Merc | it's brilliant |
| 07:12.15 | Bounty | I think the idea of keeping the layout the same makes sense |
| 07:12.26 | Bounty | but the distance of the enter key is an issue |
| 07:12.40 | Merc | I kinda want a dvorak now |
| 07:12.47 | Merc | increase my wpm by a few percent |
| 07:12.48 | Bounty | how is it brilliant? |
| 07:13.13 | Bounty | if you aim for proper spelling you will require the ' key more often than typing in an email address using the @ key |
| 07:13.17 | Merc | it's brilliant because Enter is a critical key which shouldnt have often used keys around it |
| 07:13.29 | Bounty | oh |
| 07:13.52 | Merc | when you type in an email address you usually slow down a bit anyway |
| 07:14.11 | Bounty | it should not have any keys aroundit |
| 07:14.23 | Bounty | give it the same vertical position as the \ key |
| 07:14.26 | Merc | yes, it should be a giant red dome button |
| 07:14.26 | Bounty | of right control |
| 07:14.34 | Merc | that you have to punch with your fist |
| 07:14.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:14.47 | Merc | and it doesnt say Enter |
| 07:14.50 | Merc | it should say EXECUTE |
| 07:15.03 | Bounty | in caps |
| 07:15.07 | Merc | ofc |
| 07:15.11 | Bounty | written in blood |
| 07:15.12 | Merc | in red too |
| 07:15.17 | Merc | red text on a red button |
| 07:15.22 | Bounty | you press this shit? |
| 07:15.24 | Bounty | its serious |
| 07:15.32 | Bounty | nah but the font |
| 07:15.35 | Bounty | should be blood like |
| 07:15.40 | Merc | The original QWERTY keyboard suffers from many problems that Dvorak himself identified: |
| 07:15.43 | Merc | Many common letter combinations require awkward finger motions. |
| 07:15.46 | Merc | Many common letter combinations require a finger to jump over the home row. |
| 07:15.47 | Bounty | remembering how many people died to make that key |
| 07:15.49 | Merc | Many common letter combinations are typed with one hand. (e.g. was, were) |
| 07:15.52 | Merc | Most typing is done with the left hand, which for most people is not the dominant hand. |
| 07:15.57 | Merc | About 16% of typing is done on the lower row, 52% on the top row and only 32% on the home row. |
| 07:16.20 | Bounty | how dare you copy paste |
| 07:16.22 | Merc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard |
| 07:16.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:16.32 | Merc | I just type really fast on my dvorak keyboard m8 |
| 07:17.32 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/VuFzIG0.jpg |
| 07:18.42 | Merc | http://imgur.com/a/PtO1l |
| 07:22.20 | Bounty | You know whats funny |
| 07:22.24 | Bounty | I just thought of this btw |
| 07:22.30 | Merc | sure you did |
| 07:22.55 | Bounty | I think it would be just as difficult to change society as it would be to change the keyboard people are used to |
| 07:22.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:23.07 | Bounty | I am not instigating a deep topic btw! |
| 07:23.13 | Merc | keyboards are a metaphor of humanity |
| 07:23.19 | Merc | now you did it |
| 07:23.23 | Bounty | just a though as to how keep people are connected with the layout |
| 07:23.39 | Bounty | ugh |
| 07:23.42 | Bounty | fucking typos tonight |
| 07:23.57 | Bounty | just a thought as to how people are connected with the layout** |
| 07:25.08 | Bounty | so this is one of the inspiration behind my next potential game Merc |
| 07:25.09 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTaRkC2NMFE#t=3m50s |
| 07:25.38 | Merc | content warning |
| 07:25.38 | Bounty | the game was already set using the mechanics of african wildlife but this music paired with the video really set it in motion |
| 07:25.39 | Bounty | :) |
| 07:25.51 | Merc | lol |
| 07:26.08 | Bounty | this is how all of my games start btw |
| 07:26.11 | Bounty | nothing new here |
| 07:26.14 | Bounty | music |
| 07:26.19 | Bounty | + a visual |
| 07:26.43 | Merc | why make your own games when you could be helping me out with data stuff |
| 07:26.45 | Bounty | btw the guy who does those videos is a fucking genius |
| 07:27.00 | Merc | the hell kinda video is this :D |
| 07:27.04 | Bounty | with his music choices + editing with scenes |
| 07:27.21 | Merc | domino cat is awesome |
| 07:27.32 | Bounty | tis a man that works for a circus being attacked by a lion |
| 07:27.44 | Bounty | not sure if the timestamp worked |
| 07:27.46 | Bounty | keep watching |
| 07:27.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:27.51 | Merc | oh |
| 07:27.54 | Merc | probably not |
| 07:28.01 | Merc | there soon anyway |
| 07:28.05 | Bounty | wait for the Leopard |
| 07:28.07 | Bounty | after that |
| 07:28.09 | Bounty | it gets real |
| 07:29.07 | Merc | Maru |
| 07:29.15 | Merc | genius cat |
| 07:29.34 | Bounty | not sure what part you're at but it gets better |
| 07:29.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:29.48 | Bounty | and yes, very smart lion |
| 07:30.03 | Merc | well shit |
| 07:31.21 | Merc | gonna assume the lion was fed up with his shit |
| 07:31.42 | Bounty | nah |
| 07:31.52 | Bounty | was a weird situation, with the dogs |
| 07:31.56 | Bounty | which were in heat |
| 07:32.15 | Bounty | They still should have known better lol |
| 07:33.05 | Bounty | also |
| 07:33.11 | Bounty | I did not think this was ever caught on tape |
| 07:33.20 | Bounty | but this dude got eaten (he was a dumbass) |
| 07:33.21 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jidTPJ6iaU |
| 07:33.34 | Bounty | notice his hat |
| 07:33.47 | Bounty | "yeah lets get out of the car and get closer to the lions" lol |
| 07:35.49 | Merc | heh, friend of mine got himself a camera drone |
| 07:35.53 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4dz0i1JyxM |
| 07:36.36 | Bounty | psh |
| 07:36.39 | Bounty | that is nothing Merc |
| 07:36.45 | Bounty | nothing compared to |
| 07:36.48 | Bounty | RAMCAM! |
| 07:36.49 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jgjk3DsN7c |
| 07:37.30 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:40.17 | Bounty | but yeah, multiple inspirations for the game I am thinking of making next |
| 07:40.31 | Bounty | will require some help if I am to achieve the vision I have though |
| 07:40.37 | Bounty | *fingers crossed* |
| 07:40.48 | Merc | well I can extract rams from wow for you |
| 07:40.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:41.31 | Bounty | nah, its set on the outskirts of the plains in which no terran/zerg/protoess bases have been built |
| 07:41.43 | Bounty | where the "critters" live |
| 07:42.04 | Bounty | and each critter will act like a species from Africa |
| 07:42.54 | Bounty | believe it or not.. apparently the Serengeti is quite balanced if you were to make a game based off of it lol |
| 07:45.00 | Bounty | I REALLY think this could be something big if executed properly |
| 07:45.15 | Bounty | Would be the ultimate mix of genres |
| 07:45.25 | Bounty | since each species plays completely different |
| 07:46.28 | Merc | :p |
| 07:46.42 | Merc | playable giraffes |
| 07:46.56 | Bounty | no? |
| 07:47.01 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:47.22 | Bounty | the point is that both predators and the so called "prey" would be playable |
| 07:47.30 | Merc | gotta extract lions and shit then |
| 07:47.38 | Bounty | Prey can kill predators quite easily lol |
| 07:47.58 | Bounty | just a matter of playstyle |
| 07:47.58 | Bounty | well yeah |
| 07:48.10 | Bounty | idk if the critter models are good enough in SC2 atm Merc |
| 07:48.20 | Bounty | which means I need a damn modeler |
| 07:48.40 | Bounty | which will suck, and probably be the ultimate reason why this project never gets off its feet lol |
| 07:49.10 | Bounty | but, if it does get started, hopefully I can get someone |
| 07:49.28 | Bounty | I think it is a good idea, quite literally one of a kind and only on the Arcade |
| 07:49.57 | Merc | well I'm not a modeler |
| 07:50.02 | Merc | but I can help extracting models |
| 07:50.16 | Merc | and manipulating them slightly ofc |
| 07:51.02 | Bounty | Its really all about the animations |
| 07:51.15 | Bounty | like if you're a Cheetah |
| 07:51.19 | Bounty | it has to feel like it |
| 07:51.39 | Bounty | not even the speed but when you attempt to trip or pounce |
| 07:51.51 | Bounty | this is a big idea lol |
| 07:52.12 | Bounty | I am still shocked nobody has tried this before? |
| 07:52.23 | Bounty | not even in the SC2 Arcade but just gaming in general |
| 07:52.37 | Bounty | a Serengeti simulator? |
| 07:52.42 | Bounty | fuck trains |
| 07:52.45 | Bounty | you kidding me? |
| 07:52.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:54.12 | Bounty | expects Serengeti Simulator to be on steam within a year or two |
| 07:59.20 | Bounty | Still there Merc? |
| 08:04.23 | Merc | yup |
| 08:05.49 | Merc | just a bit busy |
| 08:06.38 | Bounty | ok well when you get a chance, listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CjaaOdlhA |
| 08:06.50 | Bounty | it was the song used in that first video |
| 08:06.59 | Bounty | I think it sums up the goal of this project quite well |
| 08:07.17 | Bounty | fucking mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 08:07.39 | Bounty | so good, can feel it lol |
| 08:07.50 | Merc | optimistic of you to link me music and expect me to get the same imagery as you |
| 08:08.02 | Bounty | not the same |
| 08:08.06 | Bounty | just think of what we discussed |
| 08:08.13 | Bounty | with the concept |
| 08:08.22 | Bounty | and just picture it in your head |
| 08:08.37 | Bounty | you can just feel it |
| 08:09.30 | Merc | very intense music |
| 08:09.48 | Bounty | indeed, and it fits the settings |
| 08:10.02 | Bounty | predator of prey... nothing is positive |
| 08:10.10 | Bounty | very intense situation |
| 08:10.31 | Bounty | only amplified by the music |
| 08:11.40 | Bounty | I think the music could be used for other settings but that sound and beat of the drums screams wild life |
| 08:11.58 | Bounty | OR |
| 08:12.05 | Bounty | Bounty be crazy as usual |
| 08:12.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:13.18 | Merc | meanwhile I can't figure out why my troll's spear has no impact sound or effect |
| 08:15.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 08:16.39 | Merc | All hail Zolden |
| 08:16.48 | Merc | I'm sure he'll fix you up with a cheetah |
| 08:17.50 | Zolden | with a heetlah |
| 08:18.21 | Bounty | heh |
| 08:18.23 | Merc | adolf cheetah |
| 08:18.24 | Bounty | I highly doubt that Merc |
| 08:18.43 | Bounty | This type of project would quite tons of animations |
| 08:18.52 | Bounty | to really be what it is meant to be |
| 08:19.03 | Bounty | I doubt Zolden would be interested |
| 08:19.08 | Merc | run, sneak, sprint, attack, die? |
| 08:19.39 | Bounty | clawing on top of prey? |
| 08:19.43 | Bounty | tripping prey? |
| 08:19.49 | Bounty | dodge? |
| 08:20.04 | Bounty | and many more |
| 08:20.49 | Merc | sounds like your project is already fizzled out |
| 08:20.57 | Merc | killed it with too many ideas |
| 08:21.14 | Bounty | .... |
| 08:21.29 | Bounty | so wanting animations = ideas |
| 08:21.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:21.41 | Bounty | Don't doubt me |
| 08:21.46 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:23.12 | Bounty | also throw a question mark at the end of ideas |
| 08:23.21 | Bounty | just to not confuse you |
| 08:26.16 | Merc | well I don't know how you plan to accomplish this |
| 08:26.25 | Merc | you need a dude that can animate I guess |
| 08:37.35 | Bounty | yeah but the game can still be achieved |
| 08:37.43 | Bounty | just without the visual polish |
| 08:38.29 | Bounty | I would categorize it as still just an idea atm. Although it seems to be gaining traction |
| 08:39.53 | Merc | Just use the shuffleright and shuffleleft animations, they look pretty useful: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=3242#modelviewer:10+0 |
| 08:40.34 | Bounty | sadly wowmodelviewer is broke atm Merc |
| 08:40.40 | Bounty | can't export anything |
| 08:40.57 | Bounty | and it appears there is no hope in sight from the developers or Blizz |
| 08:41.07 | Merc | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=37207#modelviewer:10+0 UseStandingLoop seems pretty amazing, you should check that out |
| 08:41.16 | Merc | it works fine for me |
| 08:41.28 | Bounty | m3 export? |
| 08:41.28 | Merc | but I guess a new one will be made for the CASC format |
| 08:41.30 | Merc | yes |
| 08:41.46 | Bounty | what version are you using? Using the latest version of WoW + Windows 7 |
| 08:42.04 | Merc | I'll check when I get home |
| 08:42.10 | Bounty | kk |
| 08:42.34 | Bounty | let me know please because this is the same issue that destroyed my original concept for the contest lol |
| 08:42.57 | Merc | what was that |
| 08:43.18 | Bounty | Was supposed to be Photon Discs on water |
| 08:43.22 | Bounty | but you could go underwater |
| 08:43.37 | Bounty | and the discs were water globes that you would summon |
| 08:43.50 | Bounty | could also ride waterslides to get around |
| 08:43.59 | Bounty | does not matter really |
| 08:44.12 | Bounty | it does no exist :) |
| 08:44.19 | Zolden | my wmv is not broken, but it's not lateast version of wow |
| 08:44.44 | Merc | I let my wow autoupdate, still works |
| 08:44.54 | Merc | got access to all kinds of panda bullshit now |
| 08:45.05 | Merc | my latest glorious achievement: http://i.imgur.com/V6NF2NX.gif |
| 08:45.09 | Bounty | export an m3 |
| 08:45.11 | Bounty | that is the problem |
| 08:45.36 | Merc | that's what I do |
| 08:45.46 | Bounty | and if that works, what version of windows do you use and what version of WMV? |
| 08:45.47 | Merc | obj and m3 works fine |
| 08:46.06 | Merc | Zolden had me try all kinds of versions, and one of them ended up working |
| 08:46.26 | Merc | btw in that gif you can see how my goddamn spear wont have an impact effect (no sound either) |
| 08:46.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:46.51 | Merc | and it's overshooting the target, but that was because I had it elevated in the m3 file :P |
| 08:46.56 | Bounty | well let me know what version it is |
| 08:47.02 | Bounty | and post it on the forums as well |
| 08:47.13 | Bounty | lots of people in the same issue |
| 08:47.27 | Bounty | I wish I could help you with your data stuff =P |
| 08:48.09 | Merc | how does the sc2 editor mastermind not know data stuff |
| 08:49.38 | Bounty | I am not a mastermind |
| 08:49.51 | Bounty | I don't use data with the exception of a few areas lol |
| 08:50.40 | Merc | did you check out that lion btw |
| 08:50.55 | Merc | it seemed to have a bunch of animations already |
| 08:50.58 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:51.10 | Bounty | I know all of my model issues can probably be solved with wow models |
| 08:51.13 | Merc | plus UseStandingLoop which seemed useful |
| 08:51.19 | Bounty | but from what I knew, the export m3 was still unfixed |
| 08:51.28 | Merc | butt it isnt! |
| 08:51.38 | Merc | there is hope! |
| 08:52.00 | Merc | takes me about an hour to make a model ready for sc2, depending on the animations |
| 08:52.32 | Merc | the animations is the shitty part |
| 08:52.41 | Merc | set them all up again in the anim floater and name properly |
| 08:52.46 | Merc | takes forever |
| 08:52.57 | Merc | and then you realize you forgot one and have to start all over |
| 08:53.19 | Zolden | Merc why not the projectile from your gif attached to hand at launch and to target at impact? |
| 08:53.26 | Zolden | also, why isn't it ballistic? |
| 08:53.43 | Merc | the spear was raised up to about shoulder height in the missile model |
| 08:53.54 | Merc | I wasnt thinking clearly |
| 08:54.13 | Merc | no idea what a ballistic is, I switched out the model from the hydralisk ranged attack and it is whatever that is |
| 08:54.55 | Zolden | change launch site ops and impact site ops |
| 08:55.12 | Merc | at work right now so I cant change anything :( |
| 08:55.45 | Merc | but it is supposed to launch exactly 0,0,0 at the weapon ref |
| 08:56.08 | Zolden | use sopattachweapon + local offset |
| 08:56.08 | Merc | but since the spear is raised up in the z axis from the center in the model itself, it looks all funky |
| 08:56.12 | Merc | Already fixed it |
| 08:56.39 | Bounty | I know this is random but |
| 08:56.43 | Bounty | There is no way this is real |
| 08:56.44 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FULB7x7V-EM |
| 08:56.48 | Bounty | rofl |
| 08:57.18 | Zolden | ballistic mover is waht you need to give to missile unit instead the default one: just create a mover, set its trajectory to ballistic, set gravity to something like 25, and speed to something like 25 too, then see how it works, adjust speed and gravity to make it look as you want |
| 08:57.48 | Zolden | but for damage effect use target point + tiny aoe, instead of target unit |
| 08:58.02 | Zolden | otherwise projectiles will not disappear if the target moves |
| 08:58.15 | Merc | brb lucnh |
| 08:58.49 | Zolden | bitch deserved that |
| 08:59.48 | Zolden | Merc also, if I were you, i'd think about spears to stay a couple of moments stick in the ground if they miss target's butt |
| 09:04.31 | Bounty | I wonder how many developers use that sound effect for the reload sound effect in their games. |
| 09:07.05 | Goa_ | Zolden so gay CIV5 as soon I am attacking an ai-s city the other close ai declares on me and attacks me with 10+ units.... |
| 09:09.31 | Bounty | did you guys see that new game Nosgoth? |
| 09:09.35 | Bounty | It looks pretty badass lol |
| 09:11.55 | Zolden | Goa_ you declared war to the first ai? |
| 09:12.19 | Zolden | they sometimes ask other ai's to declare war on you when you attack them |
| 09:12.21 | Bounty | ah, russian talk... I see how it is |
| 09:14.40 | Zolden | Bounty would you please ask your goverment to turn off the motherfucking weather control device |
| 09:21.15 | Bounty | I am not sure I could ask my government anything without risking assassination Zolden |
| 09:21.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:21.54 | Zolden | oh, don't risk your ass then |
| 09:22.38 | Bounty | Although |
| 09:22.43 | Bounty | with the shit I've said on here |
| 09:22.50 | Bounty | I think I could pull it off |
| 09:22.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:23.04 | Bounty | Just have to do it via email |
| 09:23.17 | Bounty | whats the white houses email address? |
| 09:26.16 | Zolden | werapetheworldinthemouth@usa.com |
| 09:26.44 | Bounty | *sends email* |
| 09:32.28 | Bounty | I will report back to you Zolden |
| 09:32.33 | Bounty | on the result |
| 09:32.51 | Zolden | oh, I will notice |
| 09:33.16 | Zolden | that it's not the cold snow queen's vagina anymore instead of summer |
| 09:34.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:34.53 | Bounty | the fuck is going on with you |
| 09:35.45 | Bounty | You seem to to be speaking/talking completely differently and quite consistently |
| 09:36.01 | Zolden | when our goverment used our weather control device to make winter in usa colder, it was ok |
| 09:36.24 | Zolden | but when your goverment used that to make russian summer colder, it was just gay |
| 09:36.41 | Zolden | it's almost modern hitlerism |
| 09:36.50 | Bounty | The fuck are you talking about |
| 09:36.59 | Bounty | and if you're actually being serious |
| 09:37.11 | Bounty | this would be the drawback to being a troll 99.9% of the time |
| 09:37.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:37.29 | Zolden | yes, people speaking differently when chicks have to wear furs instead of bikinies |
| 09:37.51 | Bounty | ..... |
| 09:38.06 | Bounty | note to self.... ignore Zolden |
| 09:38.12 | Bounty | forever |
| 09:38.39 | Zolden | u'll regret this! |
| 09:39.22 | Zolden | when they put a gun in your mouth and ask to quote everything I said |
| 09:39.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:39.51 | Bounty | If the day comes that a gun is put in my mouth I doubt you will be involved |
| 09:40.24 | Bounty | Book a vacation in Crimea yet? |
| 09:40.35 | Bounty | =P |
| 09:41.08 | Merc | I think it's a .gov address |
| 09:41.12 | Merc | not .com |
| 09:41.21 | Bounty | lol merc |
| 09:41.22 | Bounty | no shit |
| 09:41.39 | Zolden | they are undercover, using com for secrecy |
| 09:41.41 | Merc | also, yeah, I'd love to have the spears stick for a little bit Zolden |
| 09:42.13 | Zolden | first try to make the ballistic mover work |
| 09:42.18 | Merc | would be hilarious if the flesh material targets turned into a pin doll |
| 09:42.23 | Zolden | you'll need it for catapults too |
| 09:43.06 | Zolden | yea, that would becool, but sc2 editor isn't unity, where it would be easy, mua-ha-ha |
| 09:43.12 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.34 | Zolden | use fartapults |
| 09:44.02 | Merc | I actually have this idea of making the catapult able to load up units and catapult them |
| 09:44.24 | Merc | exporting all units with jump/fly/land animations just in case |
| 09:44.47 | Merc | would kick ass |
| 09:45.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty_ (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 09:45.17 | Bounty_ | peow |
| 09:45.22 | Bounty_ | dat DC |
| 09:45.25 | Merc | dafuk |
| 09:45.25 | Bounty_ | anyways |
| 09:45.34 | Merc | .gov is on to you |
| 09:45.42 | Bounty_ | would not surprise me |
| 09:45.51 | Bounty_ | if they look at my IRC history |
| 09:45.57 | Bounty_ | esp the more drunken nights |
| 09:45.59 | Zolden | yea, be care, cover your router with a foil |
| 09:46.03 | Bounty_ | I am probably labelled a terrorist |
| 09:46.06 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 09:46.13 | Bounty_ | but neways |
| 09:46.16 | Merc | or even worse, philosopher |
| 09:46.28 | Bounty_ | o0o |
| 09:46.36 | Bounty_ | twas that a compliment Merc? |
| 09:46.39 | Bounty_ | in the midst? |
| 09:46.40 | Merc | not sure |
| 09:46.44 | Merc | I am sorry |
| 09:46.49 | Merc | shouldnt have gone there |
| 09:46.50 | Bounty_ | I will accept |
| 09:46.57 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 09:46.58 | Zolden | what's "o0o"? small fat penis? |
| 09:47.24 | Bounty_ | o0o symbolizes amazement of the movement of a snail |
| 09:47.29 | Bounty_ | or the* |
| 09:48.35 | Merc | caterpillar |
| 09:48.38 | Merc | oo0o |
| 09:48.39 | Merc | o0oo |
| 09:48.42 | Merc | 0ooo |
| 09:48.45 | Merc | o0oo |
| 09:48.48 | Merc | oo0o |
| 09:48.50 | Merc | ooo0 |
| 09:49.44 | Bounty_ | So I thought turtles were invincible |
| 09:49.46 | Bounty_ | until |
| 09:49.47 | Bounty_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDl7M9ROXPw |
| 09:50.12 | Merc | snacks |
| 09:50.18 | Bounty_ | Imagine pooping out a turtle shell |
| 09:50.21 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 09:50.24 | Merc | uncomfortable |
| 09:51.23 | Merc | btw I got an actual sc2 editor question |
| 09:51.30 | Bounty_ | being cold blooded must be the shit |
| 09:51.35 | Bounty_ | eat like once a month |
| 09:51.41 | Bounty_ | but yeah, all ears Merc |
| 09:51.41 | Merc | in events, where all the animations of a unit is set off based on events and whatnot |
| 09:51.54 | Bounty_ | oh dear, sounds like data |
| 09:51.58 | Merc | I've seen events such as "done gathering" etc |
| 09:52.02 | Merc | deal with it Bounty_ |
| 09:52.06 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 09:52.15 | Zolden | Merc what do you need to do? |
| 09:52.19 | Merc | but is there an event for specific resource gathered? |
| 09:52.33 | Merc | I need different carry animations for specific resources |
| 09:53.08 | Merc | or, I have the animations, I just need to specify them |
| 09:53.25 | Zolden | if carried resources are based on different behaviors, use validate unit to switch between different anims |
| 09:53.34 | Zolden | *validate unit term |
| 09:54.02 | Merc | based on different behaviors? |
| 09:54.05 | Merc | validate unit? |
| 09:54.05 | Zolden | or maybe it uses different abil stages/commands? then just add events for all stages/commands |
| 09:54.11 | Merc | guess I need to learn more :p |
| 09:54.26 | Zolden | in events we can add terms and pick validate effects/units, and put there validators |
| 09:54.32 | Merc | well that's what I Was trying |
| 09:54.47 | Zolden | so based on unit's behaviors, for example, there will be different carry shit anims |
| 09:55.00 | Merc | the scv which I based it off already has "gather complete" event etc |
| 09:55.18 | Merc | but I need a "gather X complete" basically, and a gather Y |
| 09:55.56 | Merc | maybe I could specify something for when the unit leaves the vespene geysir.. |
| 09:56.08 | Merc | oh well, I'll get to it eventually |
| 09:58.20 | Bounty_ | can't you create a validator for the specific resource type? |
| 09:58.31 | Bounty_ | idk how but I think you should be able to |
| 09:59.10 | Merc | I need to learn what a validator is again |
| 09:59.15 | Merc | I've been poking at it before |
| 09:59.50 | Bounty_ | I really wish I could help you MErc |
| 10:00.01 | Bounty_ | I just remember Mephs doing that type of shit back in the day |
| 10:00.17 | Bounty_ | =/ |
| 10:00.43 | Merc | being too detail oriented is my curse |
| 10:00.46 | Merc | shit never gets done |
| 10:00.51 | Bounty_ | yep |
| 10:01.21 | Bounty_ | also |
| 10:01.40 | Bounty_ | Zolden, care to see one of the inspirations for my next game? |
| 10:01.48 | Bounty_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTaRkC2NMFE |
| 10:02.08 | Bounty_ | Fast Forward to 3:49 :) |
| 10:02.50 | Bounty_ | I would like to include the occasional Terran Tourist car btw Merc |
| 10:02.58 | Bounty_ | risk vs reward |
| 10:03.05 | Merc | hehe |
| 10:03.20 | Merc | was there a jeep among the civilian cars in liberty? |
| 10:03.25 | Bounty_ | nah |
| 10:03.27 | Merc | would be perfect |
| 10:03.29 | Bounty_ | sadly not |
| 10:03.30 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 10:03.32 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:03.42 | Bounty_ | wow models can handle the animals for the most part |
| 10:03.48 | Bounty_ | still might need some animations |
| 10:03.54 | Bounty_ | to really give that feel |
| 10:04.06 | Bounty_ | I've be studying up on this for about a month |
| 10:04.22 | Bounty_ | just out of interest but that song I showed you made me think twice about that concept |
| 10:04.48 | Bounty_ | It literally incorporates all playstyles |
| 10:06.54 | Bounty_ | Ironically Merc, the wife and I got into an argument about whether or not the Lion should have be shot lol |
| 10:08.24 | Zolden | crap, that scene with a lion so dramatic |
| 10:08.48 | Bounty_ | you know what Zolden? |
| 10:08.56 | Zolden | stupid monkeys keep wild noble creatures in cages, and then shoot when they act wildly |
| 10:09.02 | Bounty_ | the combination with that scene + editing + that music |
| 10:09.08 | Bounty_ | that man is a genius |
| 10:09.09 | Zolden | stupid fuckers |
| 10:09.13 | Zolden | poor kitten |
| 10:09.19 | Bounty_ | wrong |
| 10:09.25 | Bounty_ | not poor Kitten |
| 10:09.35 | Bounty_ | can be argued both ways |
| 10:09.49 | Bounty_ | if you read into the story of how that happened before assuming :) |
| 10:10.22 | Bounty_ | and if you still agree |
| 10:10.44 | Bounty_ | be against all forms of animal captivity, circus, zoo's etc |
| 10:11.29 | Bounty_ | man was just doing his job |
| 10:12.15 | Zolden | yes, circuses must be banned when they use animals, let they use humans instead |
| 10:12.38 | Bounty_ | and zoo's |
| 10:12.45 | Bounty_ | its the same thing |
| 10:12.51 | Zolden | zoos are ok if they breed animals to fulfil the natural populations |
| 10:12.54 | Bounty_ | no |
| 10:12.55 | Bounty_ | wrong |
| 10:13.11 | Bounty_ | you need to be consistent on this issue lol |
| 10:13.23 | Bounty_ | respect for wild animals |
| 10:13.28 | Bounty_ | or no |
| 10:13.34 | Bounty_ | until it suites your needs |
| 10:13.43 | Bounty_ | =P |
| 10:13.57 | Zolden | well, people realy need places to breed animals, because natural wild populations are disappearing, and people can't afford to leave them like this |
| 10:14.07 | Zolden | there are only 250 siberian tigers remaining |
| 10:14.10 | Bounty_ | just let them be |
| 10:14.21 | Bounty_ | I'm surprised its that high Zolden |
| 10:14.25 | Zolden | when those populations are out of instinction risk, then zoos can be closed too |
| 10:14.31 | Bounty_ | last I heard it was 300 a few years ago |
| 10:15.07 | Bounty_ | the extinction risk is not natural, its because we hunt them lol |
| 10:15.19 | Bounty_ | they are quite capable predators |
| 10:15.27 | Zolden | yea |
| 10:15.38 | Zolden | ppl hunt them and their food |
| 10:15.43 | Bounty_ | so, eliminate it all |
| 10:15.48 | Bounty_ | zoo's, everything |
| 10:15.52 | Zolden | yea |
| 10:15.55 | Bounty_ | we have our own problems |
| 10:15.56 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:16.14 | Bounty_ | Although |
| 10:16.15 | Bounty_ | I will admit |
| 10:16.35 | Bounty_ | I do enjoy learning about these creatures and seeing video |
| 10:16.45 | Bounty_ | but in contrast... n o |
| 10:17.16 | Bounty_ | hell, perhaps we could have had a talking lion by now |
| 10:17.25 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:17.28 | Zolden | why talking |
| 10:17.29 | Bounty_ | evolution |
| 10:17.36 | Bounty_ | hell if I know |
| 10:17.39 | Bounty_ | just saying |
| 10:17.44 | Zolden | they evolve not in brain direction |
| 10:17.59 | Bounty_ | oh yes the ydo |
| 10:18.01 | Merc | lions communicate, we just don't understand |
| 10:18.14 | Bounty_ | first of all, I was trolling |
| 10:18.16 | Merc | and I'm willing to bet the lion was signaling to that dude in the cage that he was fed up with his shit |
| 10:18.21 | Bounty_ | but lets go with it |
| 10:18.35 | Merc | but the dude didnt get it |
| 10:18.37 | Bounty_ | I told you earlier Merc, what happened |
| 10:18.39 | Merc | and paid the price |
| 10:18.40 | Bounty_ | and yes |
| 10:19.04 | Zolden | yes, animals communicate pretty well, one jsut need to know the language |
| 10:19.05 | Bounty_ | you're correct in that he was ignorant of certain tell tales of being threatened |
| 10:19.11 | Merc | yeah there was something about dogs |
| 10:19.17 | Merc | but they're fucking iranians and they all lie |
| 10:19.22 | Bounty_ | I think we've all seen the videos of the guy who lives with lions, no problem |
| 10:19.33 | Bounty_ | not Iranians |
| 10:19.39 | Bounty_ | India |
| 10:19.47 | Merc | didnt it say iran |
| 10:19.48 | Bounty_ | way to be racist lol |
| 10:19.57 | Merc | nothing to do with race :p |
| 10:20.03 | Zolden | they looked too iranian to be indian |
| 10:20.17 | Bounty_ | ANYWAYS |
| 10:20.22 | Merc | anyway, that was me trolling |
| 10:20.24 | Bounty_ | my issue lies with |
| 10:20.26 | Zolden | Bounty_ if you don't have 40% black friends, you're racist! |
| 10:20.35 | Bounty_ | and this is what the wife and I got into an argument abuot |
| 10:20.48 | Merc | besides, iranians are light skinned enough to be trustworthy |
| 10:20.50 | Bounty_ | people feeling sorry for the Lion and wishing that Mans death |
| 10:20.54 | Merc | borderline, ofc. |
| 10:21.04 | Bounty_ | thankfully, the wife goes to Zoo's so I won |
| 10:21.10 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:21.12 | Zolden | Bounty_ people care about both |
| 10:21.32 | Bounty_ | you know whats funny? |
| 10:21.38 | Zolden | yes, farts |
| 10:21.43 | Bounty_ | and I just noticed this because of my research into africa |
| 10:21.44 | Bounty_ | for the game |
| 10:21.52 | Merc | bodily functions in general can be quite entertaining |
| 10:21.56 | Bounty_ | nobody gives a fuck about the cute prey |
| 10:22.00 | Bounty_ | just the predators |
| 10:22.03 | Merc | How many times did you see Fartzenegger last night Zolden |
| 10:22.09 | Bounty_ | which is pretty interesting I thinkg |
| 10:22.13 | Zolden | 1 |
| 10:22.22 | Merc | I saw it three times. |
| 10:22.24 | Bounty_ | people can watch a baby being murder as long as it is "prey" |
| 10:22.25 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 10:22.37 | Bounty_ | but |
| 10:22.45 | Bounty_ | if a lion is hurt or killed by a buffalo |
| 10:22.47 | Bounty_ | HOLY SHIT |
| 10:22.53 | Bounty_ | halp him! |
| 10:23.02 | Bounty_ | I don't get it |
| 10:23.12 | Bounty_ | that bias is interesting |
| 10:23.17 | Merc | I'm not familiar with your generalization |
| 10:23.37 | Bounty_ | go research it |
| 10:23.38 | Merc | but maybe we identify more with the predator than the pray |
| 10:23.39 | Merc | prey. |
| 10:23.42 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 10:23.49 | Bounty_ | I think thats what it is |
| 10:23.51 | Zolden | when tom get humiliated by jerry, all want tom once to eat jerry to teach the fucker a lesson |
| 10:24.05 | Merc | fucking jerry man |
| 10:24.11 | Bounty_ | which is why whenever we look at a Lion eating a human |
| 10:24.18 | Bounty_ | and if the lion gets killed |
| 10:24.26 | Bounty_ | most people feel sorry for the lion lol |
| 10:24.46 | Bounty_ | its weird |
| 10:25.52 | Bounty_ | but, thankfully anyone who says that and has been to a circus, zoo or any other form of animal domestication is full of shit by default |
| 10:25.57 | Bounty_ | =P |
| 10:26.07 | Bounty_ | still though you bring up an interesting point Merc |
| 10:26.12 | Bounty_ | the predator relation |
| 10:26.21 | Zolden | lion is trapped, defenceless, can't plan his deeds, he's just an automatic machine, he has instintcs, he's the victim people captured and torturing for fun, while it's a beautiful creature - it's understandarble, why people compassionate to a lion |
| 10:26.35 | Zolden | all help human, and all shout "kill the lion" |
| 10:26.37 | Bounty_ | if you notice Zolden |
| 10:26.41 | Bounty_ | when he is first shot |
| 10:26.50 | Bounty_ | he INSTANTLY goes for the kill |
| 10:26.51 | Merc | some of those animals in the zoos werent really captured in the wild to begin with |
| 10:26.58 | Bounty_ | it is quite amazing |
| 10:27.01 | Bounty_ | like he knows its over |
| 10:27.07 | Bounty_ | so he goes for the kill bite |
| 10:27.14 | Merc | "I'm taking you with me motherfucker" |
| 10:27.19 | Bounty_ | exactly Merc |
| 10:27.28 | Bounty_ | which is why you hear everyone scream at the end Merc |
| 10:27.35 | Bounty_ | they know hes going for the GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL |
| 10:27.42 | Merc | TOUCHDOWN |
| 10:27.57 | Bounty_ | honestly I thought he was dead |
| 10:28.08 | Bounty_ | I saw the lion go for the skull at that moment, to crush it |
| 10:28.15 | Zolden | lion has instincts, when he feels pain, he thinks it's the victim hurting him, he has no understanding of the situation or ability to decide what to do |
| 10:28.17 | Bounty_ | so fucking lucky |
| 10:28.44 | Bounty_ | I think they're smarter than that Zolden |
| 10:28.58 | Bounty_ | he saw the man in front of him shoot |
| 10:29.02 | Zolden | instincts override smartness |
| 10:29.04 | Bounty_ | and when he shot again = pain |
| 10:29.32 | Bounty_ | I would not disagree with you though |
| 10:29.33 | Merc | but you know many zoos in the west are non profit organisations that donate profits to wildlife benefits |
| 10:29.34 | Bounty_ | fact remains |
| 10:29.42 | Bounty_ | that Lion went for the kill when shot in the face |
| 10:29.42 | Zolden | hunting includes alot of neurostimulators, that turn the predator into killing machine that has no time to express smartness, it doesn't think when instincts are on charge |
| 10:29.45 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:29.48 | Merc | so calling someone a hypocrite for going to the zoo is a bit of a miss |
| 10:30.04 | Bounty_ | no Merc |
| 10:30.14 | Bounty_ | its like people who are religious |
| 10:30.21 | Bounty_ | and ignore 95% of the shit in the bible |
| 10:30.25 | Bounty_ | they pick and choose |
| 10:30.37 | Bounty_ | you either believe in something or you fucking dont |
| 10:30.42 | Bounty_ | simple as that |
| 10:30.46 | Merc | I don't see the comparison |
| 10:31.13 | Zolden | Bounty_ saying "he saw a man" is not correct, lions don't have that deep understand of reality, especially when they turn into hunting mode |
| 10:31.14 | Bounty_ | Because people will claim animal rights or feel sorry for the lion and not the man |
| 10:31.20 | Bounty_ | then take their kids to the zoo the next day |
| 10:31.43 | Bounty_ | Read the story Zolden |
| 10:31.53 | Bounty_ | no reason to assume he was in hunting mode |
| 10:31.54 | Merc | a different zoo where the animals are properly taken care of |
| 10:32.03 | Bounty_ | dude |
| 10:32.06 | Zolden | i mean after he attacked the guy |
| 10:32.18 | Bounty_ | that is the same thing I said to the wife ironically Merc |
| 10:32.23 | Bounty_ | her response was |
| 10:32.36 | Bounty_ | "What do you expect, they whip them and shit?" |
| 10:32.43 | Bounty_ | how do we know? |
| 10:32.50 | Bounty_ | the story goes |
| 10:32.55 | Bounty_ | that lion was moved |
| 10:33.03 | Bounty_ | and the dogs he was moved in with were in heat |
| 10:33.07 | Bounty_ | and he started acting up |
| 10:33.13 | Zolden | well, i know people who would never go to circus with their kids, becasue they think it's a medieval torturing machine waht circuses do to animals, so some people are not hypocrats in this area |
| 10:33.14 | Bounty_ | should they have seen it? yes |
| 10:33.25 | Bounty_ | does not mean people should be rooting for his death |
| 10:33.26 | Merc | moving a lion in with dogs in the first place seems like a pretty bad idea |
| 10:33.35 | Merc | hits of bad caretaking |
| 10:33.39 | Merc | hints* |
| 10:33.50 | Bounty_ | no |
| 10:34.02 | Bounty_ | wild big cats are typically raised with dogs |
| 10:34.06 | Bounty_ | from birth |
| 10:34.30 | Merc | really? weird |
| 10:34.31 | Merc | why? |
| 10:34.45 | Bounty_ | they build a relationship |
| 10:34.55 | Bounty_ | and yes it is weird lol |
| 10:35.14 | Zolden | wild lions compete with wild dogs, becasue lions kill their food, while dogs trying to steal that food, so lions do use a chance to attack a dog when they can |
| 10:35.23 | Bounty_ | I think you can google it, Cheetahs raised with Dogs is a good example |
| 10:35.48 | Merc | fairly certain lions are territorial enough to want to end those dogs |
| 10:35.53 | Bounty_ | the key is captive birth |
| 10:36.03 | Bounty_ | is you don't have a chance |
| 10:36.08 | Bounty_ | or* |
| 10:36.26 | Merc | still dont get why they would mix them up with dogs |
| 10:36.35 | Bounty_ | idk either, but it works |
| 10:36.51 | Bounty_ | I sense you guys did not see the guy who literally hangs out and sleeps with lions everyday? |
| 10:37.01 | Merc | I've seen the clips |
| 10:37.18 | Merc | didnt see any dogs |
| 10:37.28 | Bounty_ | no shit |
| 10:37.36 | Bounty_ | just saying it is a preferred method lol |
| 10:37.44 | Bounty_ | idk why either but they do it |
| 10:37.46 | Merc | these guys seem fairly chill though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv0kzCnQdfg |
| 10:38.28 | Bounty_ | I think it might be a way to teach them to differentiate between friend and prey |
| 10:38.39 | Bounty_ | bc esp in that video |
| 10:38.43 | Bounty_ | that dog is prey lol |
| 10:39.14 | Merc | "The dog it's much older than the lions. It's a female. She raised those 2 lions, like they were her puppies. And they simply can't be separated now. They are the most happy animals you will ever find in a Zoo. " |
| 10:39.54 | Bounty_ | not sure that explains why the whole dog thing |
| 10:39.55 | Bounty_ | but ok |
| 10:41.56 | Merc | either way, that lion seemed pissed |
| 10:41.58 | Bounty_ | but yeah, I think this is a black and white issue IMO |
| 10:42.00 | Zolden | yea, guy playing with lions is cool, he understands their language, and is able to transmit friendly signals to them through body language |
| 10:42.57 | Bounty_ | just leave em alone 100% lol |
| 10:43.03 | Bounty_ | or not at all |
| 10:43.45 | Merc | so, close down all zoos and put all the animals to sleep or release into the wild? |
| 10:44.00 | Bounty_ | release them of course |
| 10:44.08 | Merc | they'll die |
| 10:44.12 | Bounty_ | no |
| 10:44.29 | Bounty_ | they have a much higher chance of survival than your average young of their species |
| 10:44.40 | Bounty_ | also |
| 10:44.43 | Bounty_ | here we go again |
| 10:44.48 | Merc | animals that grew up in captivity dont have much of a chance out in the wild |
| 10:44.49 | Bounty_ | OMG they'll die |
| 10:45.03 | Merc | more humane to just put them down |
| 10:45.06 | Bounty_ | you would be surpised |
| 10:45.24 | Merc | some might make it ofc |
| 10:45.24 | Bounty_ | It is in their nature |
| 10:45.33 | Bounty_ | ok so |
| 10:45.37 | Bounty_ | instead of some making it |
| 10:45.39 | Merc | with some rehabilitation etc |
| 10:45.40 | Bounty_ | kill them all |
| 10:45.43 | Bounty_ | gotcha |
| 10:45.49 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:46.06 | Merc | you're the one being all black and white about it, I am just trying to see the realistic outcome :p |
| 10:46.15 | Bounty_ | at the very least release them into one of the resorts |
| 10:46.20 | Bounty_ | in africa |
| 10:46.43 | Bounty_ | you just said kill them |
| 10:46.44 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:46.50 | Bounty_ | not me =P |
| 10:47.01 | Merc | well yeah, that's what happens if a zoo is shut down |
| 10:47.03 | Zolden | my cat was rased in a city flat without access to nature, and when I moved him to countryside at summer, he was easily able to capture mice and birds |
| 10:47.18 | Bounty_ | ^ |
| 10:47.31 | Bounty_ | hell yeah |
| 10:47.31 | Zolden | so, there's a chance, predators will jsut be led by their istincts and get food |
| 10:47.32 | Merc | anecdotal evidence |
| 10:47.41 | Bounty_ | Merc |
| 10:47.52 | Bounty_ | its the entire fucking reason why these animals cannot be domesticated fully |
| 10:48.05 | Bounty_ | its in their very soul |
| 10:48.12 | Bounty_ | to kill and hunt |
| 10:48.16 | Bounty_ | and they know how to do it |
| 10:48.23 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 10:48.57 | Zolden | Even if they die, a few days of freedom would be better than life in prison |
| 10:49.08 | Merc | still though |
| 10:49.10 | Merc | realistically |
| 10:49.17 | Merc | they'll be put down |
| 10:49.37 | Merc | unless someone pays for all this |
| 10:50.05 | Merc | even more realistically though, none of that will ever happen since not all zoos are horrible |
| 10:53.37 | Bounty_ | I think Zolden alright refuted what you just said Merc |
| 10:53.46 | Bounty_ | [06:48] <Zolden> Even if they die, a few days of freedom would be better than life in prison |
| 10:53.51 | Bounty_ | already* |
| 10:53.56 | Zolden | i'd like someone to pay for a desalination factory to try to bring water in the Sahara |
| 10:54.03 | Merc | idealism cant refute realism |
| 10:54.16 | Bounty_ | realism is an illusion |
| 10:54.23 | Merc | idealism is foolish :p |
| 10:54.39 | Bounty_ | and just as subjective as idealism |
| 10:55.00 | Bounty_ | to claim realism it so claim to know reality |
| 10:55.11 | Bounty_ | =P |
| 10:55.12 | Zolden | actually some zoos are ok, if they've built areas pretty close to natural envionment |
| 10:55.21 | Merc | to claim realism is to say "how the hell are you planning on making this happen" |
| 10:55.22 | Bounty_ | is* |
| 10:56.11 | Bounty_ | no zoos are ok Zolden |
| 10:56.20 | Bounty_ | you can't pick and choose this stuff |
| 10:56.25 | Merc | sure you can |
| 10:56.27 | Merc | zoos are different |
| 10:56.28 | Bounty_ | free or not free |
| 10:56.33 | Bounty_ | ok |
| 10:56.40 | Bounty_ | if you were the animals |
| 10:56.46 | Bounty_ | zoo or free? |
| 10:56.50 | Merc | free |
| 10:56.59 | Zolden | some zoos are close to the situation where animals have been released, but still being periodically fed |
| 10:57.23 | Bounty_ | You are speaking of the resorts in Africa Zolden |
| 10:57.25 | Bounty_ | no zoos |
| 10:57.27 | Merc | my turn; if you were the animals. Let's say you're a panda. Shitty Iranian zoo or San Diego zoo? |
| 10:57.30 | Zolden | if I were animal, I'd pick free for sure |
| 10:57.46 | Bounty_ | it doesn't matter |
| 10:57.59 | Bounty_ | captivity is captivity |
| 10:58.05 | Zolden | but some zoos are much closer to wild life then to circuses medieval torturing cameras |
| 10:58.16 | Bounty_ | like asking if you would prefer a TV in your cell VS no TV |
| 10:58.22 | Bounty_ | I would prefer neither |
| 10:58.31 | Merc | well, you're in jail |
| 10:58.36 | Merc | would you like a tv? |
| 10:58.50 | Bounty_ | the only thing that comes close are resorts Zolden |
| 10:58.58 | Bounty_ | they have no fences |
| 10:59.17 | Zolden | yea, fuck fences |
| 10:59.26 | Zolden | we, humans, have fences around our contries too |
| 10:59.27 | Bounty_ | too my knowledge, only zoos have boundaries |
| 10:59.44 | Bounty_ | lol Zolden |
| 10:59.56 | Zolden | we have the fence of gravity and distance between our and other planets |
| 10:59.59 | Bounty_ | treading into deep territory |
| 11:00.08 | Merc | ideally there should be no gravity |
| 11:00.11 | Bounty_ | that is a bullshit question Merc |
| 11:00.16 | Merc | gravity is oppressing us |
| 11:00.18 | Bounty_ | of course you would want a TV |
| 11:00.22 | Bounty_ | the answer is forced |
| 11:00.26 | Zolden | gravity is ok if we can teleport |
| 11:00.27 | Merc | Reality is forced |
| 11:00.41 | Bounty_ | but the question within that topic is, captivity vs free |
| 11:00.42 | Merc | And some Zoos have TVs |
| 11:00.50 | Bounty_ | i swear to god |
| 11:00.54 | Bounty_ | you sons of bitches |
| 11:00.56 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:01.14 | Merc | You're going to jail: Would you like to be in a shitty jail.. Like in USA |
| 11:01.18 | Merc | or a norwegian prison |
| 11:01.25 | Bounty_ | I feel like a horse and you're all just riding on horses with a carrot on a stick |
| 11:01.35 | Zolden | i saw norvegian prison, it looks better than russian hotels |
| 11:01.38 | Merc | the carrot is your idealism |
| 11:01.43 | Bounty_ | I don't know anything about norgwegian prison |
| 11:01.53 | Merc | norwegian prisons have TVs. |
| 11:02.00 | Bounty_ | many great men have been idealist |
| 11:02.16 | Merc | http://www.vice.com/vice-news/norwegian-prisons |
| 11:02.18 | Zolden | many great men have been in prisons |
| 11:02.23 | Bounty_ | so long as you do not confuse it with illusion you are good to go |
| 11:02.27 | Merc | no idea what this article says but I guess it's fair |
| 11:03.49 | Bounty_ | ok so |
| 11:03.53 | Bounty_ | I am moving to Norway |
| 11:04.00 | Merc | go for it |
| 11:04.02 | Bounty_ | and committing a crime |
| 11:04.05 | Merc | we need good IT as far as I know |
| 11:04.30 | Bounty_ | this falls so much into my political views lol |
| 11:04.38 | Bounty_ | vs my country |
| 11:04.41 | Bounty_ | son of a bitch |
| 11:05.36 | Bounty_ | this reminds me of our trip to Japan |
| 11:05.51 | Merc | I was in japan 6 months ago |
| 11:05.53 | Merc | tokyo |
| 11:05.56 | Merc | awesome place |
| 11:05.57 | Bounty_ | never saw a single homeless person Tokyo |
| 11:06.08 | Merc | I saw some beggars on the street |
| 11:06.09 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 11:06.12 | Merc | some dudes not too well off |
| 11:06.18 | Bounty_ | by day, business men |
| 11:06.18 | Merc | but very nice overall |
| 11:06.19 | Bounty_ | by night |
| 11:06.23 | Bounty_ | drunk and having a good time |
| 11:06.42 | Bounty_ | VERY nice Merc |
| 11:06.43 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:06.58 | Bounty_ | like, 120% niceness |
| 11:06.58 | Merc | they're a closed off culture though |
| 11:07.02 | Merc | no immigrants |
| 11:07.08 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 11:07.10 | Bounty_ | unless |
| 11:07.13 | Bounty_ | you can contribute |
| 11:07.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@dslb-092-073-219-153.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:07.20 | Merc | yeah |
| 11:07.20 | Bounty_ | then you can live there |
| 11:07.31 | Bounty_ | which is an interesting concept |
| 11:08.03 | Bounty_ | I think the only homeless people we saw were in Kiyoto |
| 11:08.06 | Merc | a concept like that would be seen as extremely right wing in norway |
| 11:08.10 | Bounty_ | saw 2 |
| 11:08.13 | Bounty_ | none in Tokyo |
| 11:09.10 | Bounty_ | Yeah I mean It makes sense for them though Merc |
| 11:09.18 | Bounty_ | I'm sure you experienced the train bump |
| 11:09.23 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:09.28 | Merc | bump? |
| 11:09.30 | Bounty_ | They don't need anymore people |
| 11:09.37 | Bounty_ | jam packed trained |
| 11:09.40 | Merc | ah yea |
| 11:09.42 | Bounty_ | train* |
| 11:09.46 | Bounty_ | like |
| 11:09.47 | Merc | took the train all the time |
| 11:09.51 | Bounty_ | your train is packed |
| 11:09.51 | Merc | awesome |
| 11:09.55 | Bounty_ | you get to the next stop |
| 11:10.06 | Bounty_ | and you see people and think, no way these people are getting on |
| 11:10.08 | Bounty_ | by god |
| 11:10.08 | Merc | the train is packed full, but everyone shuts up |
| 11:10.10 | Bounty_ | they are |
| 11:10.13 | Bounty_ | rofl |
| 11:10.20 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 11:10.22 | Merc | and the trains are all on time |
| 11:10.28 | Bounty_ | yep |
| 11:10.30 | Merc | and the guys outside are queuing outside |
| 11:10.40 | Merc | politely letting passengers step off |
| 11:10.41 | Bounty_ | well they do cut off at a certain time I think |
| 11:10.47 | Merc | then orderly walking in |
| 11:11.10 | Bounty_ | we were in akihabara late one night and had to get back to the train station |
| 11:11.22 | Bounty_ | I think it was because of the trains |
| 11:11.29 | Bounty_ | was about a year ago |
| 11:12.45 | Bounty_ | trying to remember the section of tokyo we stayed in |
| 11:12.52 | Bounty_ | I think it was green train |
| 11:13.04 | Bounty_ | began with a K |
| 11:13.20 | Merc | I can't remember all that stuff |
| 11:13.24 | Merc | gf dragged me around |
| 11:13.25 | Bounty_ | me either |
| 11:13.31 | Bounty_ | same |
| 11:13.32 | Merc | she reads/speaks japanese |
| 11:13.35 | Merc | I didnt have to do shit |
| 11:13.36 | Bounty_ | and nope |
| 11:13.45 | Bounty_ | we just visited all the temples and landmarks |
| 11:13.51 | Bounty_ | ironically |
| 11:14.07 | Bounty_ | I had to drag her ass up to the monkey area |
| 11:14.15 | Bounty_ | dunno if you guys went there |
| 11:14.19 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:15.10 | Merc | the hot tub monkeys? |
| 11:15.10 | Bounty_ | Its on an Island |
| 11:15.11 | Merc | wanted to |
| 11:15.12 | Bounty_ | no |
| 11:15.22 | Bounty_ | you go to this island |
| 11:15.28 | Merc | yeah heard of it |
| 11:15.28 | Bounty_ | I think they call it the monkey park |
| 11:15.37 | Merc | white monkeys in hot springs and stuff right |
| 11:15.46 | Bounty_ | you walk up a damn mountain |
| 11:15.51 | Merc | they all look super chill |
| 11:15.55 | Bounty_ | and feed / hang out with the monkeys |
| 11:15.58 | Bounty_ | no hot springs |
| 11:16.06 | Merc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigokudani_Monkey_Park |
| 11:16.12 | Bounty_ | only hot springs we had contact with was in Kiyoto |
| 11:16.14 | Merc | different place Iguess |
| 11:16.17 | Bounty_ | and I bitched out |
| 11:16.28 | Bounty_ | natural hot springs hotel |
| 11:16.34 | Bounty_ | I put my legs in |
| 11:16.35 | Bounty_ | FUCK |
| 11:16.36 | Bounty_ | THAT |
| 11:16.39 | Bounty_ | hell no |
| 11:16.44 | Bounty_ | that shit was way to hot |
| 11:16.47 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:16.54 | Merc | we went to a hot spring hotel up in the mountains north of tokyo or something |
| 11:16.57 | Merc | was so awesome |
| 11:17.09 | Bounty_ | yeah thats not it Merc |
| 11:17.19 | Bounty_ | did you manage to get in Merc? |
| 11:17.26 | Bounty_ | and was it a natural hot spring? |
| 11:17.30 | Merc | yeah |
| 11:17.31 | Merc | ruled |
| 11:17.39 | Bounty_ | yeah, sorry |
| 11:17.39 | Merc | the springs connected with a brook though |
| 11:17.44 | Merc | and it was winter, so snow everywhere |
| 11:17.46 | Merc | was awesome |
| 11:17.47 | Bounty_ | fuck that shit |
| 11:17.57 | Bounty_ | we went in april |
| 11:17.59 | Merc | several pools along the river |
| 11:18.16 | Merc | snuck down in the middle of the night for some naughtyness |
| 11:18.23 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:18.25 | Merc | seal of approval for me |
| 11:18.59 | Bounty_ | not sure why you needed to mention that part but ok |
| 11:19.09 | Bounty_ | we were both with the wives afterall |
| 11:19.10 | Bounty_ | =P |
| 11:19.15 | Merc | hey it was one of the best parts of the trip |
| 11:19.22 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:19.30 | Goa_ | Zolden I think I need to restart, this fucked me up |
| 11:19.39 | Merc | plus the part where I got to walk around in a kimono or whatever |
| 11:19.51 | Bounty_ | We had one in our hotel |
| 11:19.54 | Merc | you basically handed in your clothes when you checked in |
| 11:19.54 | Bounty_ | everyday |
| 11:20.11 | Merc | and walked around in a goddamn bathrobe thing and the shittiest slippers ever |
| 11:20.20 | Merc | fucking wooden clogs |
| 11:20.26 | Merc | most uncomfortable footwear in history |
| 11:22.39 | Bounty_ | punk ass |
| 11:22.43 | Bounty_ | I went naked |
| 11:22.47 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:23.04 | Bounty_ | trying to find this damn hotel we stayed at in Tokyo |
| 11:23.08 | Bounty_ | was so amazing |
| 11:25.32 | Merc | I found the one we stayed at |
| 11:25.34 | Merc | Minakami Onsen |
| 11:26.59 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/uCp0pBJ.jpg |
| 11:28.03 | Bounty_ | nice |
| 11:28.12 | Bounty_ | I only found the name of the hotel brand so far |
| 11:28.15 | Bounty_ | was called APA |
| 11:28.29 | Zolden | Goa_ good start matters alot |
| 11:28.33 | Zolden | wanna little advice? |
| 11:28.35 | Bounty_ | we stayed at a traditional Japanese "hotel" in Kiyoto |
| 11:28.43 | Bounty_ | in that the floors sucked |
| 11:28.44 | Bounty_ | no beds |
| 11:28.46 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:28.53 | Goa_ | Zolden say it |
| 11:28.56 | Bounty_ | and a hole in the floor for heating |
| 11:29.09 | Goa_ | I had very bad start place btw |
| 11:29.14 | Merc | yeah our hotelroom had no bed either |
| 11:29.18 | Zolden | Goa_ restart it a few times until you find a city with maximum possible initial production, to spam settlers faster |
| 11:29.27 | Merc | thin fucking roll out mattress |
| 11:29.31 | Merc | paper thin walls |
| 11:29.33 | Goa_ | Zolden thats cheaty |
| 11:29.37 | Merc | rice bag as pillow |
| 11:29.51 | Merc | goddamn river right outside the window making a noise |
| 11:29.56 | Merc | cold as fuck |
| 11:29.59 | Merc | but slept like a baby |
| 11:30.16 | Zolden | Goa_ they have added "restart game" to the main menue for the first turn, you have right to pick a nice location |
| 11:30.21 | Zolden | so no cheaty |
| 11:31.59 | Goa_ | yes it is:D |
| 11:32.21 | Goa_ | though I started at pretty nice place now |
| 11:33.00 | Goa_ | what do you build the first 20-40 turns? |
| 11:33.59 | Zolden | it's not cheaty, becasue there's balance between production, food and coins, you just choose what you prefer, it's the same as choosing religion choice or adopt policy you like, it's a part of stragegy |
| 11:34.55 | Zolden | at start I build scout, then settlers, then maybe a warrior if there's a camp to rape |
| 11:35.08 | Merc | you guys playing civ 5? |
| 11:35.19 | Zolden | yea :) |
| 11:35.33 | Merc | was it on sale or something |
| 11:35.33 | Bounty_ | well I can't find this shit Merc |
| 11:35.38 | Bounty_ | It was the APA hotel |
| 11:35.46 | Bounty_ | somewhere in Tokyo |
| 11:35.47 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:35.49 | Zolden | cold as fuck is true |
| 11:35.49 | Merc | :p |
| 11:36.09 | Bounty_ | I know that we were 2 stops from Aki |
| 11:36.13 | Bounty_ | bc that was my shit |
| 11:36.17 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:36.23 | Bounty_ | green train |
| 11:36.26 | Merc | Aki? |
| 11:36.33 | Bounty_ | Akihabara |
| 11:36.39 | Bounty_ | where all the arcades and shit are |
| 11:36.45 | Merc | ahh yea |
| 11:36.51 | Zolden | Goa_ actually 2-3 scouts is good, becasue, you know, exploring worth it |
| 11:36.52 | Merc | we were there at some point |
| 11:37.04 | Bounty_ | I lost a lot of money at that place |
| 11:37.08 | Merc | hardcore perv-nerds with suitcases full of dirty cartoon porn |
| 11:37.12 | Bounty_ | and watched asians in action |
| 11:37.14 | Goa_ | yeah I started now with 2 scout then settler |
| 11:37.16 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:37.23 | Goa_ | then now worker |
| 11:37.31 | Zolden | Goa_ btw, in last game where I raped, I had a luck: +2 population from ruins while I was spamming settlers |
| 11:37.34 | Zolden | realy good shit |
| 11:37.56 | Goa_ | cheater:D |
| 11:38.01 | Merc | played some civ5 last year |
| 11:38.12 | Merc | was all about being greedy as fuck in the start until it worked |
| 11:38.13 | Zolden | civ5 shit, don't play it |
| 11:38.32 | Bounty_ | FOUND IT MERC |
| 11:38.34 | Bounty_ | KANDA |
| 11:38.38 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:38.39 | Merc | link |
| 11:38.54 | Bounty_ | http://www.hotels.com/ho406309/apa-hotel-kanda-eki-higashi-tokyo-japan/?dateless=true&PSRC=G21&rffrid=sem.hcom.US.google.003.03.02.s.kwrd=ZzZz.sJxPdPhtI.0.46848376839.1020w9o38457.d.c |
| 11:38.58 | Bounty_ | thats the hotel |
| 11:39.50 | Merc | and it had hot springs? |
| 11:39.58 | Bounty_ | no |
| 11:40.03 | Bounty_ | idk what that hotel was |
| 11:40.06 | Bounty_ | the wife booked that one |
| 11:40.06 | Merc | god dammit Bounty_ |
| 11:40.13 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:40.25 | Bounty_ | idk dude sorry |
| 11:40.29 | Bounty_ | it was in Kiyoto |
| 11:40.30 | Merc | :D |
| 11:40.34 | Bounty_ | we took the bullet train |
| 11:40.41 | Bounty_ | was 1 night |
| 11:41.05 | Merc | ah shit I missed out on that awesome train stuff |
| 11:41.09 | Merc | would have been cool |
| 11:41.11 | Merc | probably going back though |
| 11:41.19 | Bounty_ | you didn't get the pass? |
| 11:41.40 | Bounty_ | all train rides free for foreigners if you buy it lol |
| 11:41.46 | Bounty_ | well not ALL train rides, but most |
| 11:42.13 | Merc | nah I just had that beepy thing |
| 11:42.15 | Bounty_ | including the Shinkansen bullet train |
| 11:42.20 | Merc | but never took the bullet train |
| 11:42.20 | Bounty_ | *shrug* |
| 11:42.24 | Merc | stayed in tokyo |
| 11:42.25 | Bounty_ | we just had passes |
| 11:42.32 | Bounty_ | we waved them to the guards |
| 11:42.35 | Bounty_ | and just walked |
| 11:42.37 | Merc | super cheap to get everywhere anyway |
| 11:43.22 | Bounty_ | I think besides of the obvious cultural differences, what I miss most of the vending machines for coffee |
| 11:43.28 | Bounty_ | especially BOSS |
| 11:43.31 | Merc | BOSS |
| 11:43.32 | Merc | :D |
| 11:43.33 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:43.39 | Zolden | BOSS |
| 11:43.47 | Merc | fucking vending machines with hot drinks |
| 11:43.47 | Bounty_ | the name says it all |
| 11:43.50 | Merc | so genius |
| 11:43.52 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 11:43.56 | Merc | especially in winter |
| 11:44.14 | Merc | got a cold in the middle of the trip |
| 11:44.23 | Bounty_ | although whenever I tried anything with a japanese symbol on it, i spit it out |
| 11:44.24 | Merc | just started chugging that hot orange juice drink |
| 11:44.28 | Merc | so fucking good |
| 11:44.30 | Bounty_ | so I just stuck with BOSS |
| 11:44.33 | Bounty_ | or japanese beer |
| 11:44.42 | Merc | did you see the commercials |
| 11:44.43 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:44.57 | Bounty_ | dude we saw so many things on that TV |
| 11:44.59 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro8dADKWsc0 |
| 11:45.05 | Bounty_ | only thing we remember was the Hide and Seek game they have |
| 11:45.11 | Bounty_ | with the Hunter dressed as Agents |
| 11:48.02 | Bounty_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6X07L_ZMs4 |
| 11:48.06 | Bounty_ | best I could find Merc |
| 11:48.24 | Bounty_ | and no we definitely never saw that Merc |
| 11:48.25 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:48.27 | Merc | oh yeah we got stopped on the street, asked if we wanted to participate in some game show |
| 11:48.47 | Merc | gf stepped in and declined, knew what was up |
| 11:48.50 | Merc | I was so up for it though |
| 11:48.54 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:49.06 | Bounty_ | shes smart |
| 11:49.16 | Merc | it was definitely one of those "let's humiliate foreigners" shows |
| 11:49.16 | Merc | :D |
| 11:49.17 | Bounty_ | I would never accept anything in a foreign country |
| 11:49.18 | Bounty_ | fuck that shit |
| 11:50.22 | Bounty_ | btw that show was awesome |
| 11:50.26 | Bounty_ | was like hide and seek |
| 11:50.57 | Bounty_ | only the seekers were these insanely in shape asians dressed as agents |
| 11:50.58 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:51.21 | Merc | that commercial with tommy lee jones is awesome |
| 11:51.24 | Merc | worth a watch |
| 11:51.35 | Bounty_ | ok found it |
| 11:51.38 | Bounty_ | here you go Merc |
| 11:51.39 | Bounty_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PkidTOD_48 |
| 11:51.54 | Bounty_ | fast forward to |
| 11:52.02 | Bounty_ | 4:40 |
| 11:52.57 | Merc | 2 fucking hours man |
| 11:53.19 | Bounty_ | or |
| 11:53.22 | Bounty_ | 8 minutes |
| 11:53.36 | Bounty_ | to see the hunters released |
| 11:53.41 | Bounty_ | its a good show lol |
| 11:53.43 | Merc | think I saw something similar |
| 11:54.00 | Merc | they put a bunch of expert fencers against a horde of amateur fencers |
| 11:54.03 | Merc | hilarious stuff |
| 11:54.17 | Merc | the horde won in the end, but only because the experts got exhausted |
| 11:54.47 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 11:54.55 | Bounty_ | does not sound as good as this show |
| 11:54.57 | Bounty_ | imo |
| 11:55.06 | Bounty_ | watch the whole thing for like 4 hours |
| 11:55.10 | Bounty_ | no idea what they were saying |
| 11:55.22 | Bounty_ | yet I knew what was going on |
| 11:55.25 | Bounty_ | HUNTAH! |
| 11:55.35 | Merc | seems very dramatic |
| 11:55.55 | Bounty_ | the have to complete objectives |
| 11:55.58 | Bounty_ | while avoiding the agents |
| 11:56.07 | Bounty_ | if the agents tag you |
| 11:56.09 | Bounty_ | you're out |
| 11:56.13 | Bounty_ | its a really neat concept |
| 11:57.12 | Merc | :D |
| 11:59.26 | Bounty_ | Merc |
| 11:59.37 | Bounty_ | Fast Forward to 1 hour |
| 11:59.39 | Bounty_ | 06 |
| 11:59.40 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 12:00.02 | Bounty_ | gives you a better idea |
| 12:00.35 | Bounty_ | so good |
| 12:00.38 | Bounty_ | HUNTAAAH |
| 12:01.55 | Bounty_ | or to make it more clear merc |
| 12:02.00 | Bounty_ | 1 Hour 6 minutes |
| 12:02.01 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 12:02.10 | Merc | on it |
| 12:03.03 | Merc | reminds me slightly of battle royale |
| 12:03.28 | Bounty_ | all of their shows seemed to be the same, but that one stood out to me |
| 12:03.35 | Bounty_ | seems to be a bunch of people watching videos |
| 12:03.41 | Bounty_ | and their reactions in the corner |
| 12:03.43 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 12:03.49 | Bounty_ | for the most part |
| 12:04.21 | Bounty_ | was fun though, wish I never left honestly |
| 12:04.27 | Bounty_ | >.< |
| 12:04.48 | Merc | yeah cool country |
| 12:04.55 | Merc | wish I knew the language |
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| 12:08.21 | Bounty_ | same here Mer |
| 12:08.25 | Bounty_ | Merc* |
| 12:08.40 | Bounty_ | had a guy pull out his phone one time just to translate what we were saying so he could help us |
| 12:08.52 | Bounty_ | I think that type of culture speaks for itself |
| 12:08.56 | Bounty_ | anyways |
| 12:09.00 | Bounty_ | bedtime |
| 12:09.04 | Bounty_ | night all |
| 12:09.41 | Merc | gn8 |
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| 12:29.39 | Merc | ArcanePariah: any predictions based on the uncommon ladder lock? |
| 12:29.54 | Merc | are the planets aligning? |
| 12:30.14 | Merc | Should call you ArcaneProphet instead |
| 12:34.25 | ArcanePariah | Preparation for back end work? The D3 AH is being taken offline today as well. |
| 12:35.16 | Merc | well, the ladder lock is lasting way longer than usual |
| 12:35.23 | Merc | and for some reason came earlier than expected |
| 12:36.55 | Merc | conspiraciiieeessss |
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| 13:26.56 | Ahli | http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-27998220 |
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| 14:09.41 | obscenecereal | For fuck sakes... why must america love fat people and hate tall people :( lol. Been going around looking for some damn work pants for the past 3 hours.. hah |
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| 14:42.25 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Good morning. Any further discoveries in the Storm files JademusSreg ? |
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| 15:51.46 | zolden | lol |
| 15:52.12 | zolden | i'm far away |
| 15:52.35 | ArcanePariah|Wor | the question is, far away from where? |
| 15:52.41 | zolden | how's your journey goa |
| 15:53.02 | zolden | from moscow |
| 15:53.37 | zolden | found a fast wifi in this buttface province |
| 15:54.10 | zolden | wheres twod nigga |
| 15:54.57 | zolden | i m waiting a bus to get even farawayier |
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| 16:40.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So anyone doing anything crazy or intersting in here? |
| 16:41.14 | Merc | well, still wrestling with my headhunter :p |
| 16:41.27 | Merc | apparently it thinks it's a hallucination when it dies or something |
| 16:42.48 | A1win | learing pathfinding stuff in unity, using someone's A* Pathfinding Project library but it doesn't seem very customization-friendly |
| 16:43.00 | Merc | other than that, I'm interested in knowing if there's a way for events to know what resource a worker is carrying |
| 16:43.21 | A1win | messy code with little comments |
| 16:44.00 | A1win | thinking about making my own system, though that might take a while |
| 16:44.08 | A1win | but at least I'd know it inside out |
| 16:45.22 | Merc | oh here we go |
| 16:45.41 | Merc | there's a behavior for Carry Mineral Field Minerals and Gas etc |
| 16:45.43 | Merc | nice |
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| 17:32.19 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, A1win, is there a bug with using units from an array in unit dies events? |
| 17:32.38 | ArcanePariah | Specifically, is there an issue if any of the array elements have not be assigned a living unit? |
| 17:33.26 | ArcanePariah | Because it appears the trigger fires for any unit if the array unit has not been specified |
| 17:34.32 | Ahli | events use the value they can read out of the array. They can't be updated dynamically except for adding new events to a trigger. "Null" aka "No Unit" aka "Any Unit" or "Any Item" is used instead leading to the generic event that is fired when any unit dies |
| 17:35.08 | Ahli | *read out of the array when they register (usually at the start of the map) |
| 17:35.24 | Ahli | (but that can be added dynamically, too) |
| 17:35.43 | ArcanePariah | Which means, if done through UI, using units stored in arrays for events is useless. |
| 17:36.15 | ArcanePariah | Since UI auto initializes the array at game start as well as registering all triggers. |
| 17:36.26 | Ahli | yes, unless you assign a default value unit to the whole array |
| 17:36.51 | Ahli | but you can register the events manually in actions whenever you want |
| 17:37.17 | ArcanePariah | Whice assumes you have units on the map to begin with to assign. And I assume events can be register only via direct scripting? |
| 17:37.27 | Ahli | make a small map with one event and look at its generated script -> see how it registers |
| 17:37.42 | Ahli | yes, that requires custom script |
| 17:38.10 | Ahli | but it is possible to add a GUI representation of nearly all existing default functions |
| 17:38.49 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I've seen how it does it, just avoided manual scripting for a long time, rather have fast and dirty UI script then custom job stuff (yet). And yeah, I really should have made (or someone) a GUI front end for every existing API call. |
| 17:39.06 | Ahli | so, if you need to use GUI instead of custom script, you can add its action with that exact ID and parameters and check the "native" option |
| 17:39.35 | ArcanePariah | Maybe we get insanely lucky and they update GUI for everyone with Storm editor (lol) |
| 17:40.22 | Ahli | we could make a list and throw it at them that they just need to process or we get renee to add that into gax4 |
| 17:40.29 | ArcanePariah | Welp, good to know, thank you for the information/insight. This kind of sucks since Any Unit dies triggers are performance hogs... |
| 17:40.54 | ArcanePariah | Is she working on Gax4 or is it done/published? |
| 17:41.03 | Ahli | gax4 is published |
| 17:41.13 | Ahli | also, it's he. I have my sources |
| 17:42.17 | ArcanePariah | lol, wouldn't be the first time such things got confused. People apparently thought Ability (main guy for NOTD) was a girl, but he was using it as an acronym GIRL = Guy in Real Life |
| 17:42.40 | ArcanePariah | Was definitely a WTF moment lol |
| 17:43.05 | Ahli | lol |
| 17:44.44 | Ahli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjDGWHMNA6A have a zagara trailer for zagara week |
| 17:45.39 | ArcanePariah|Wor | heh, yeah, isn't she coming out either today or next week? |
| 17:45.55 | ArcanePariah|Wor | ALso, I seriously hope they rework murky.... |
| 17:46.04 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Shit is getting old.. |
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| 17:47.26 | ArcanePariah | Ahoy matey |
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| 17:56.37 | pirate | yarr |
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| 18:28.28 | Merc | anyone have any experience with splitbody animations? |
| 18:43.54 | pirate | someone has |
| 18:43.58 | pirate | long time ago |
| 18:44.03 | pirate | dont remember who |
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| 19:50.57 | pirate | thoughts on creating a global backstab mechanic? |
| 19:51.06 | pirate | specifically, data thoughts |
| 19:56.46 | pirate | hmm, what about as a damage response |
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| 20:16.24 | ArcanePariah|Wor | pirate: backstab can be done in data, but can be tricky. Depends on what kind of backstab you want. |
| 20:17.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | The basic data idea would be a damage response, and the effect be validated with a location angle validator. |
| 20:18.20 | pirate | sec |
| 20:18.40 | pirate | I want to increase all damage taken from behind by 50% |
| 20:20.10 | Ahli | I've put backstab into the attack |
| 20:20.15 | pirate | which would be simple if you could just validate a damage response |
| 20:21.47 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Ok, then what I would do is have a damage response on the unit being damaged. The effect would apply a behavior to the caster (unit being damaged) that increaseses damage by 50%. The validator would check if the arc of the caster unit (you can specify the angle in the validator) does not include the damaging unit. |
| 20:22.12 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Since this is done as part of the handle effect, the damage waits until the handle effect is compleete before actually doing the damage. |
| 20:22.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | The behavior for increased damage would have the minimal duration possible. |
| 20:22.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | That's the purely data method. |
| 20:22.53 | pirate | I think I've got it working |
| 20:23.04 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Triggers can also do the same, fairly easily. |
| 20:29.13 | pirate | The aim on this project is to only use triggers for UI |
| 20:29.16 | pirate | essentially |
| 20:29.32 | pirate | it's a learning exercise |
| 20:53.28 | pirate | jesus |
| 20:53.30 | pirate | took some time |
| 20:54.03 | pirate | to figure out that unit with the damage response is the caster of the effect, and the attacker is the targer |
| 20:57.11 | pirate | if only I had read what you wrote more carefully :P |
| 21:18.08 | pirate | mk, working perfectly |
| 21:18.11 | pirate | thanks for tips as always, arcane |
| 21:18.23 | pirate | bundled a remove behavior into the damage response so no need for short durations |
| 21:19.02 | pirate | should prevent rare scenarios of units taking more damage than intended if hit by two attacks at the same time where one is a backstab and one is not |
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| 21:34.08 | paynis | hey fenix |
| 21:34.18 | paynis | are you the Fenix for Star Party forum? |
| 21:34.29 | paynis | Fenix_ * |
| 21:34.36 | Fenix_ | hey |
| 21:34.41 | Fenix_ | yes i am |
| 21:37.05 | Fenix_ | why paynis? |
| 21:37.54 | paynis | I'm Payne from the forum |
| 21:40.09 | EntityEnigma | who was it that was talking about making an airstrike spell? |
| 21:45.45 | Ahli | <- ? |
| 22:18.38 | paynis | ^ ? |
| 23:48.00 | pirate | what for |
| 23:52.28 | EntityEnigma | im gonna try to make one with a ship that flys over and drops a payload for my map |
| 23:52.59 | EntityEnigma | right now its just an explosion which is kinda lame |
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