| 00:00.58 | JademusSreg | I've also pasted various excerpts of note, such as bnet game list, which includes several code-names/mysteries. |
| 00:02.39 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/h9z4g |
| 00:03.01 | JademusSreg | And found a number of command line args, tested a few. |
| 00:03.26 | Deaod | so, pegasus and phoenix are the unknown games? |
| 00:04.22 | JademusSreg | One of them is apparently SC Ghost, but that's not definitive so much as heresay. |
| 00:04.35 | JademusSreg | The other is a complete mystery, as is PS_AUTOMATION |
| 00:05.47 | JademusSreg | Here are a few tested-confirmed and untested-possibly cmd args: https://pastee.org/ksmx |
| 00:07.48 | JademusSreg | Note that the agent.db (json) in the bnet and herostorm directories configures launch command list with a single item "launch", and probably the bnet client is hardcoded to prepend the arg "sso=1", which is what passes the bnet logged-in data from the bnet desktop client to the game process. |
| 00:07.56 | JademusSreg | brb in 5-7 |
| 00:07.59 | pirate | where did the sc: ghost reboot theory come from? |
| 00:10.26 | Ahli | <- |
| 00:11.54 | pirate | lol |
| 00:13.12 | pirate | pirate's theory is that Phoenix is blizzards own marketplace map |
| 00:13.22 | Ahli | today at least <-... it's not marketplace as there is marketplace on its own in jade's list and phoenix is old as f*ck.... leaked slides from 2010 showed SC2:Phoenix, so it has to do something within the sc2 universe... targeted was release around HotS... |
| 00:14.28 | Deaod | well, we still have project titan |
| 00:14.38 | pirate | do we? |
| 00:14.52 | Deaod | yes |
| 00:14.53 | Bounty | I could see them renaming Titan to Peagasus |
| 00:14.59 | Bounty | the greek thing |
| 00:15.13 | pirate | destiny killed whatever the current iteration of titan was |
| 00:15.41 | Ahli | maybe it's another board game... phoenix as something that rebirths after its death like sc:ghost would be is kind of obvious |
| 00:16.00 | JademusSreg | (Note Hearthstone isn't on the list; either it's not SRS Blizzness, or it's one of the codenames.) |
| 00:16.43 | Ahli | I don't think hearthstone was in the pipeline in 2011 or when that slide was discovered |
| 00:17.22 | pirate | what's SRS |
| 00:17.56 | pirate | I agree with bounty that Pegasus could be Titan reboot |
| 00:18.20 | Ahli | "SRS Blizzness" look harder and see what he did there |
| 00:18.33 | pirate | since I'm sure they (Metzen) came up with lots of worldbuilding for titan that isn't going in the trash |
| 00:18.34 | pirate | ah |
| 00:28.54 | DeadZergling | is this you, Ahli? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/14525391/gameheart-at-blizzard-6-19-2014 |
| 00:31.15 | DeadZergling | apparently so, see you linked yourself earlier :P |
| 00:31.42 | DeadZergling | scary looking fellow, really |
| 00:34.06 | DeadZergling | looks like the type to get drunk, then kill all the bears in a forest afterwards |
| 00:34.58 | Ahli | no, that's Ryan Schutter aka rtschutter |
| 00:35.30 | Ahli | and I assume he and his dog will be able to kill 2 bears at once in that scenario |
| 00:35.43 | pirate | lol |
| 00:35.56 | pirate | ahli what nationality are you? |
| 00:36.09 | Ahli | German |
| 00:36.15 | pirate | I fucking knew it |
| 00:36.31 | pirate | I love germans :P |
| 00:36.35 | A1win | Internetian |
| 00:37.19 | pirate | I've been to München and Aschaffenburg |
| 00:37.36 | DeadZergling | a1win is just weird |
| 00:37.40 | DeadZergling | he has no nationality |
| 00:37.51 | pirate | this surprises no one |
| 00:38.11 | DeadZergling | good to know I'm loved anyways, pirate |
| 00:39.14 | DeadZergling | or you prefer I call you Daniel Altman now? |
| 00:39.51 | pirate | I prefer pirate |
| 00:40.04 | DeadZergling | or we could do a fun combo |
| 00:40.09 | DeadZergling | like D Pirate |
| 00:40.16 | DeadZergling | wait, that isn't so fun for you... |
| 00:40.46 | DeadZergling | is great for Ahli though |
| 00:40.57 | JademusSreg | (That Hearthstone wasn't on the list in the paste is what I meant, not something about slides, haha.) |
| 00:41.08 | DeadZergling | we all know he likes that letter best, especially when browsing valid entries |
| 00:41.43 | DeadZergling | I understand anyways pirate, I just assume no one ever use my name either |
| 00:41.52 | DeadZergling | stupid RL |
| 00:42.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah, RL Stine is a terrible writer, screw him. |
| 00:42.59 | Ahli | I've never been to München nor Aschaffenburg, pirate ;P |
| 00:43.08 | JademusSreg | At least he's -maybe- better than Dean Koontz? |
| 00:43.14 | pirate | you're missing out |
| 00:43.48 | JademusSreg | Oh, Deoad, I forgot one vital piece of information. |
| 00:43.53 | pirate | xml is kinda of fun once you've got the hang of it and sufficient grog |
| 00:44.09 | DeadZergling | I like Ahli more suddenly |
| 00:46.49 | A1win | birds make weird noises sometimes |
| 00:49.08 | A1win | in a tree in front of my bathroom window, there was some bird flying around within the branches making a loud periodic twitter that sounded like how a dragonfly's wings sound when one flies right by the ear, and on one branch a magpie was frozen, staring at that bird and making a noise every 3 seconds that sounded like the high-pitched bark of a small dog |
| 00:49.21 | Ahli | DeadZergling: what did I do? |
| 00:49.47 | Deaod | yes, JademusSreg? |
| 00:50.07 | DeadZergling | Oh, being unaware of your own country,and not really caring about it in the least |
| 00:50.32 | Ahli | why am I unaware? |
| 00:50.36 | DeadZergling | Just meh, I don't care about those places |
| 00:51.13 | DeadZergling | Is very what we Americans are stereotyped to be of you :) |
| 00:51.24 | Ahli | oh wait, I was in München, but only in that technical museum |
| 00:52.15 | pirate | I was drunk the entire time I was there |
| 00:52.29 | DeadZergling | - 1/2 ignorant points for Ahli, -5 cool points for Ahli |
| 00:52.35 | A1win | ahh summer, birds are singing, mosquitoes trying to sneak in by the front door, a nice warm +5 C outside |
| 00:52.36 | Ahli | German beer too stronk? |
| 00:52.52 | pirate | just stronk enough |
| 00:54.44 | A1win | oh yeah watched Silicon Valley, it was good |
| 00:55.10 | pirate | told ya |
| 00:55.21 | A1win | had some preconceptions about it that lasted like half way through the first episode |
| 00:55.38 | A1win | like "why'd I want to watch a bunch of nerds do the same stuff that I do" |
| 00:56.07 | Ahli | ^ and? |
| 00:56.11 | DeadZergling | my main issue with watching most shows, why am I watching this, and not doing something? |
| 00:56.20 | pirate | I multitask |
| 00:57.03 | A1win | I rarely do other things while watching shows, absorbing them as much as I can |
| 00:57.11 | A1win | which is why I only watch shows that are good |
| 00:57.15 | DeadZergling | if the show isn't good enough to focus on solely |
| 00:57.21 | DeadZergling | better to turn it off |
| 00:57.39 | DeadZergling | scary day indeed, are we actually in agreement on something A1win ? |
| 00:58.12 | A1win | quick, watch some crappy show to change your behavior |
| 00:58.57 | A1win | I also get annoyed by watching shows with other people who don't fully focus on the show |
| 00:59.11 | A1win | it's like "wtf dude, you're missing out!" ...without actually saying it |
| 01:00.00 | DeadZergling | I got pissed at a guy I was playing pool with today, was so focused on the stupid world cup that he wasn't even paying attention to the game he was playing. |
| 01:00.17 | Deaod | wtf, USA wasnt even playing ... |
| 01:00.18 | A1win | ;X |
| 01:00.23 | DeadZergling | He missed a really epic scratch of mine, ball bounced up, hit the edge, and bounced in the hole. |
| 01:01.00 | DeadZergling | I get the same way about people who play on their devices during everything they are doing. |
| 01:01.24 | DeadZergling | fucking focus on one thing, or at least 'multi-task' away from me |
| 01:02.33 | DeadZergling | well Deaod , we have people of all nationalities here at MS |
| 01:02.39 | DeadZergling | lots of support for lots of teams |
| 01:02.41 | grim001 | pretty sure I have the rendering process for my lwjgl wrapper figured out now |
| 01:02.50 | DeadZergling | which is unfortunate, as I hate the entire thing |
| 01:03.01 | Deaod | MS being microsoft? |
| 01:03.08 | DeadZergling | and wish there was a separate building for soccer enthusiasts |
| 01:03.12 | DeadZergling | aye |
| 01:04.38 | DeadZergling | sheesh, I see everyone is rallying against Setho, lol |
| 01:06.03 | Ahli | big projects with long development time bashing... what did you expect? :D |
| 01:06.15 | DeadZergling | granted, the guy does leave posts needing of rebuttals |
| 01:06.38 | DeadZergling | but to be in the same whining category as Dogmai, Ahli |
| 01:06.40 | Ahli | omg, you made your game public before it was 100% finished... bad :D |
| 01:06.41 | DeadZergling | I am dissapoint |
| 01:06.58 | Ahli | was my only downfall so far |
| 01:08.18 | pirate | who's setho? |
| 01:08.54 | DeadZergling | Dunno, some random guy, he was real enthusiastic about testing Death TV a few weeks before 05/31 I know |
| 01:08.58 | DeadZergling | he wasn't good at it at all |
| 01:10.44 | DeadZergling | he has been making a lot of posts lately, many not in favor of games even having a chance |
| 01:11.00 | pirate | but he's not a dev? |
| 01:11.04 | pirate | I remember seeing him on the forum |
| 01:11.15 | DeadZergling | IE, he made a post right ON NoTD's RTC thread to say he thinks it should get Disqualified |
| 01:11.25 | A1win | derp, it's 4:11 and I'm not tired at all :< |
| 01:11.34 | DeadZergling | that is because you are a weirdo |
| 01:11.48 | DeadZergling | I am a normal like person now, I go to bed before 3:30 am |
| 01:12.20 | A1win | I think it's due to my snooze button abuse |
| 01:12.35 | DeadZergling | How is that first deadline going? |
| 01:12.48 | DeadZergling | *senses a sudden burst of tiredness swelling up in A1win * |
| 01:13.00 | A1win | I have time ;3 |
| 01:13.34 | DeadZergling | if I ever need to get tired out of nowhere, just need to remember all the stuff I need to get done soon |
| 01:13.41 | A1win | well I'm like sleepy but not tired, or not sleepy but tired, or something |
| 01:13.45 | DeadZergling | then all the sudden, wow, I am so sleepy, i should go to bed! |
| 01:13.58 | A1win | too much caffeine |
| 01:14.09 | A1win | and other stuff they put in energy drinks |
| 01:14.13 | DeadZergling | I see, caffeine has no effect on me |
| 01:14.19 | DeadZergling | or if anything, the opposite effect |
| 01:14.35 | A1win | well you probably aren't hooked on it like I am |
| 01:14.52 | DeadZergling | Oh, you have more than 2 cups of coffee and a can of soda a day? |
| 01:15.00 | JademusSreg | Aaand back. |
| 01:15.12 | DeadZergling | I'm just addicted to sugar I think |
| 01:15.24 | DeadZergling | I don't even care if my shit has caffeine, lol |
| 01:15.32 | A1win | yeah like 1.5 l bottle of coke or something a day <.< |
| 01:15.41 | A1win | and sometimes a can of energy drink on top of that |
| 01:15.49 | A1win | also, I should quit for the sake of my teeth |
| 01:15.57 | DeadZergling | interesting, because when I want to really focus |
| 01:16.04 | DeadZergling | I have to stop drinking caffeine |
| 01:16.27 | A1win | well it's not good for focus :P |
| 01:16.31 | DeadZergling | ah yes, soda will destroy the teeth |
| 01:16.38 | DeadZergling | especially coke man, lol |
| 01:16.43 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/vgrq3 |
| 01:16.55 | JademusSreg | Profanity filter. =D |
| 01:17.03 | A1win | yeah I just had like half a dozen visits to the dentist a couple of years ago |
| 01:17.03 | JademusSreg | I may have overstated its importance. |
| 01:17.18 | DeadZergling | it is just amusing, mostly JademusSreg |
| 01:17.27 | DeadZergling | now quit being such a heterosexual and knock it off |
| 01:17.40 | JademusSreg | Yeah, don't think Deaod had opportunity to see it. |
| 01:18.08 | Deaod | huh, so they have all languages in the filter |
| 01:18.13 | DeadZergling | 1.5 L of coke a day, I can only think of one thing worse for your teeth |
| 01:18.28 | DeadZergling | constant eating of gummy bears |
| 01:18.37 | JademusSreg | 1.5 liters of cocaine per day sounds expensive. |
| 01:18.41 | A1win | chips are the worst |
| 01:19.00 | DeadZergling | oh no, chips are kind in comparison! |
| 01:19.08 | Deaod | "asserific" - now thats a word that needs to be filtered |
| 01:19.10 | pirate | okay jade |
| 01:19.11 | A1win | they stick to the teeth for a very long time |
| 01:19.11 | DeadZergling | gummy bears will stick in little crevices |
| 01:19.26 | DeadZergling | and melt enamel slowly with their sugar |
| 01:19.27 | JademusSreg | Perhaps you didn't mean that coke, though. Coal coke probably isn't nearly cheap as high fructose corn syrup, though. |
| 01:19.28 | A1win | same with chips |
| 01:19.30 | pirate | now is the time |
| 01:19.32 | pirate | https://pastee.org/t7bkf |
| 01:19.44 | DeadZergling | Jade, I know you know what coke is. |
| 01:19.55 | A1win | JademusSreg, why does everyone always make that joke when I say coke, like literally always :| |
| 01:20.08 | JademusSreg | Because soda is boring. |
| 01:20.09 | A1win | sometimes even when I use a capital C for it |
| 01:20.33 | pirate | http://imgur.com/uL6tuug,5WFMDA6,ksBQE6B#0 |
| 01:20.38 | pirate | can you feel it mr. krabs? |
| 01:20.47 | pirate | in my hubris |
| 01:21.06 | DeadZergling | work in progress I hope |
| 01:21.07 | pirate | I position all my inventory command buttons exactly where I wanted them |
| 01:21.09 | JademusSreg | Is it working as desired? =D |
| 01:21.15 | pirate | but forgot |
| 01:21.48 | pirate | that the click/drag (ie INVENTORY FUNCTIONALITY) only exists in a strangely small area defined by the button size and number of inventory slots) |
| 01:22.11 | JademusSreg | Hitbox; change the hitbox frame. |
| 01:22.13 | pirate | the area covered by ContainerPanel00 to 02 |
| 01:23.00 | pirate | does not seem to respond to height/width xml defintions (hard coded from xml LEFT or RIGHT position in inventory ability data) |
| 01:24.25 | pirate | please help me find a workaround |
| 01:24.25 | JademusSreg | Suboptimal way of communicating technical issues; fragmentary details in an unsorted list make problem analysis rather difficult. =D |
| 01:24.34 | JademusSreg | But I can take a look, no problem. |
| 01:24.46 | pirate | if you look at the imgur images |
| 01:24.49 | pirate | should help explai |
| 01:24.50 | pirate | n |
| 01:24.57 | pirate | @Dead very much a WIP |
| 01:25.25 | pirate | but when it's finished, you'll like this -- no inventory management, no talent trees :D |
| 01:25.59 | DeadZergling | you are working on decorative boxes so there won't be an inventory, what? |
| 01:26.11 | DeadZergling | <=== Is confused |
| 01:26.26 | pirate | I'm working on ability selection |
| 01:26.30 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.12 | A1win | talent trees are so 2000s |
| 01:27.29 | pirate | exactly |
| 01:27.34 | DeadZergling | yea, only losers use them |
| 01:27.43 | DeadZergling | <== uses them in his RPG... |
| 01:27.47 | pirate | I could theoretically fix this with some dummy inventory slots |
| 01:27.52 | pirate | but I'd really rather not |
| 01:28.04 | A1win | inventories are so 1990s |
| 01:28.48 | DeadZergling | But Steak Sauce, now that is always a win. |
| 01:28.52 | A1win | I'd make one about RPGs but no idea which was the first one |
| 01:28.53 | JademusSreg | pir, currently untangling the inheritence structure to provide you (and myself) perspective on the controls. |
| 01:29.24 | DeadZergling | RPGs are so my parent's basement? |
| 01:29.34 | Deaod | okay, if this documentation of CASC is correct im going to have to slap blizzard. |
| 01:29.46 | Deaod | why would you mix endianness |
| 01:30.01 | pirate | anyone know what the <Batch val="bool"> xml tag does? |
| 01:30.02 | A1win | I don't want to know about your mom's BDSM dungeon |
| 01:30.28 | DeadZergling | too late, you are the new DM now |
| 01:31.12 | DeadZergling | nice of you to assume I still have a mom though |
| 01:31.15 | DeadZergling | very kind of you. |
| 01:32.17 | A1win | I didn't imply that ;p |
| 01:33.45 | DeadZergling | I implied that you did, and you are defending yourself about it |
| 01:33.48 | DeadZergling | So now you did |
| 01:33.57 | DeadZergling | Because that is how the wonderful internet works! |
| 01:34.29 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:35.02 | JademusSreg | pir, yes, but it's irrelevant. |
| 01:35.46 | JademusSreg | Got a big paste for use a reference, formatting, then will link. |
| 01:35.51 | Deaod | also, why use MD5? |
| 01:35.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 01:36.01 | JademusSreg | Spite. Or speed. |
| 01:36.12 | JademusSreg | Or stuebid. |
| 01:36.21 | Deaod | either you need the security in which case you use SHA-256 |
| 01:36.37 | Deaod | or you need speed, in which case you use CRC32 |
| 01:37.01 | Deaod | or some other not cryptographically secure checksum |
| 01:37.02 | JademusSreg | Oh, and for those of you interested in what features Herostorm and maybe-soon-SC2 will brings to UI editor: https://pastee.org/eccp6 |
| 01:37.18 | Ahli | reads |
| 01:37.38 | Deaod | JademusSreg, have you seen this: http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-model-editing/471104-analysis-of-casc-filesystem.html |
| 01:38.18 | A1win | sleep time |
| 01:38.45 | JademusSreg | Yes, but I don't have an account there, so I've not yet grabbed the files. Which is to say I've not yet circumvented their feeble restriction. |
| 01:39.07 | Deaod | http://www44.zippyshare.com/v/34578990/file.html# |
| 01:39.31 | Bounty | o0o |
| 01:39.35 | Bounty | this sounds interesting JademusSreg |
| 01:39.36 | Bounty | 01352A20DialogAnimation |
| 01:40.22 | JademusSreg | Argh, diseased festering seeping hoary syphilitic file hosting sites, gross. |
| 01:40.38 | Deaod | but it has the file you want ... |
| 01:40.54 | Deaod | alternatively i could somehow send it to you |
| 01:40.59 | JademusSreg | Yup, a dialog animation type, since people -never- learned to use the already existing animation features. |
| 01:41.22 | Ahli | ? |
| 01:41.23 | Bounty | you can animate dialog items now? |
| 01:41.26 | JademusSreg | Dropbox? Email? Google drive? Carrier pigeon? |
| 01:41.29 | pirate | back |
| 01:41.50 | Ahli | I am only aware of self-animated images... |
| 01:41.55 | JademusSreg | Bounty, my face must be an exotic tropical isle, because it's covered in palms. |
| 01:42.01 | Deaod | http://pastebin.com/bnGSGZUR |
| 01:42.04 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, now every time I see pirate |
| 01:42.11 | Bounty | rofl wtf are you talking about jade |
| 01:42.12 | DeadZergling | I think of killing leprechauns for their lucky charms |
| 01:42.17 | Bounty | kids? |
| 01:42.25 | pirate | what have you uncovered from the abyss, jade? |
| 01:42.27 | JademusSreg | Oh, haha, I've got that. https://gist.github.com/galedric/b34f14dd93381498a7a1 |
| 01:42.41 | pirate | can you save my beautifully arranged inventory slots? |
| 01:42.47 | DeadZergling | bounty, he is saying you are making him face palm |
| 01:42.47 | JademusSreg | Thought it was something I didn't have, but thank you for enduring the inconvenience. =D |
| 01:43.00 | JademusSreg | pir, working on it. |
| 01:43.03 | Bounty | oh |
| 01:43.26 | Bounty | good catch DeadZergling... have you been studying the native language of Jargon Binks? |
| 01:43.51 | DeadZergling | not necessarily, I just sometimes try to understand his shorter rants |
| 01:44.35 | Deaod | hm, so CASC is not a selfcontained archive format |
| 01:44.44 | DeadZergling | he is rather knowledgeable in the abstract, really |
| 01:45.01 | DeadZergling | unfortunately he has a strong abstract accent to go with it |
| 01:45.06 | Deaod | but a collection of files similar to VCSs |
| 01:45.33 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/cmtvr |
| 01:46.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:286b:3952:950d:66f) |
| 01:46.26 | JademusSreg | pir, this is a top-down look at the inheritence of the interactive controls in the inventory panel. |
| 01:46.30 | Ahli | crash by facebook link... loving it :S |
| 01:46.57 | DeadZergling | wow, today is be American day for Ahli |
| 01:47.02 | DeadZergling | now he is supporting McDonalds |
| 01:47.17 | pirate | aye |
| 01:47.39 | JademusSreg | The inventory container : command button <- container button template <- command button template <- game button template |
| 01:49.11 | JademusSreg | You mentioned something about an inexplicable small hit surface? Or something about an inexplicable highlighted frame? |
| 01:52.33 | pirate | you can only use Inventory CommandButton Slots if they fall within the area of their parent InventoryContainer |
| 01:52.41 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 01:53.28 | JademusSreg | Does anything prevent you from resizing the Inventory Container? |
| 01:53.34 | pirate | everything does |
| 01:53.52 | pirate | the area of the InventoryContainer appears to related to the number and size the CommandSlots with no regard to offsets/spacing |
| 01:54.46 | pirate | height/width, setting the frame relative to another - neither change the InventoryContainer size |
| 01:56.24 | JademusSreg | Almost all the information is right there; one thing which isn't is data from the inventory ability itself. |
| 01:58.22 | pirate | https://pastee.org/dz8s3 |
| 01:58.23 | pirate | ? |
| 01:58.40 | JademusSreg | Suppose, hypothetically, one were to start from scratch. One could then trace a logical route through the frames, elements, and values, keeping what is functionally necessary or desirable, cutting what appears unneeded. =D |
| 01:58.58 | JademusSreg | Yep, stuff like that. |
| 01:59.08 | JademusSreg | Alignment left. |
| 01:59.10 | JademusSreg | Harhar. |
| 01:59.36 | pirate | in GUI it must be set to right or left |
| 02:00.33 | JademusSreg | Yep, just pointing out that it isn't something determined from the layout, state dependent. |
| 02:00.40 | pirate | ahh |
| 02:01.33 | JademusSreg | Line 392, also |
| 02:02.19 | pirate | on which paste? |
| 02:02.27 | JademusSreg | The reference paste. |
| 02:03.24 | JademusSreg | Remember how you mentioned shit didn't click |
| 02:03.54 | JademusSreg | The ContainerSizeFrame uses buttons as anchors. |
| 02:04.53 | pirate | which buttons? |
| 02:05.03 | pirate | cant find them in in game UI editor |
| 02:05.06 | JademusSreg | 0 and 5 |
| 02:05.38 | pirate | can we change the anchors? |
| 02:05.56 | pirate | oh i found it |
| 02:06.00 | JademusSreg | In addition to that, there's the various button anchors which assumed they'd be below the first of the other row, messy. |
| 02:08.24 | JademusSreg | Got the in-game UI editor open atm? |
| 02:08.50 | pirate | yes |
| 02:08.50 | pirate | sec |
| 02:10.27 | pirate | okay |
| 02:10.48 | pirate | playing around with those anchor buttons does very strange things to the inventory |
| 02:10.59 | JademusSreg | Find InventoryContainer, the problematic one. |
| 02:11.16 | pirate | sure |
| 02:11.38 | pirate | (theyre all problematic but at the moment 00 is the worst) |
| 02:11.51 | pirate | oh, jeebus and then the cursor offset will be a problem for another day |
| 02:12.39 | JademusSreg | Who are the parent frames of the buttons which present click problems?> |
| 02:12.49 | JademusSreg | "Who", haha. |
| 02:12.55 | pirate | ContainerPanel00 |
| 02:13.06 | pirate | InventoryPanel/ContainerPanel00 |
| 02:13.47 | JademusSreg | -All- of those pretty buttons are subframes of ContPanl00, with certainty? |
| 02:14.14 | pirate | the bottom 1x8 row is within 00 |
| 02:14.24 | pirate | The middle 1x4 row is within 01 |
| 02:14.32 | pirate | and the top 2x8 is within 02 |
| 02:15.11 | JademusSreg | And this was deliberate, to control the augment stuff, yeah? |
| 02:15.14 | pirate | yes |
| 02:15.51 | pirate | with this newfound knowledge of Slot00 and Slot05 being the delimiters of the PanelArea being Slot00 and Slot05, I think I can reliably manipulate the InventoryContainer area in a way that fits my design |
| 02:16.01 | JademusSreg | So the buttons don't click when they're outside, but you can't fit them inside, because it changes the container, right? |
| 02:16.42 | pirate | yes, but I could make 00 and 05 invisible buttons that only accept items with classes that 'dont exist' |
| 02:16.52 | JademusSreg | Turns out, you don't have to do all these hacky shit workarounds. |
| 02:17.09 | pirate | I dont? |
| 02:17.14 | JademusSreg | So before you do whatever crazy shit you were about to do, haha, define custom templates asap. |
| 02:17.31 | pirate | it says, NO BLIZZARD ONLY |
| 02:17.35 | pirate | I tried earlier |
| 02:18.41 | JademusSreg | Rest assured, there are ways. |
| 02:19.34 | pirate | so there is hope |
| 02:19.38 | JademusSreg | Did it prevent you feom making an insatance or template? |
| 02:20.46 | pirate | https://pastee.org/6xvkn |
| 02:20.53 | pirate | that is what is quashed |
| 02:21.18 | pirate | unfortunately I must go outside and do real people things for a bit |
| 02:21.20 | pirate | :/ |
| 02:23.11 | Deaod | im a bit surprised blizzard isnt using LZMA or LZMA2 to compress data |
| 02:23.15 | JademusSreg | I think maybe you don't grasp what is meant by "template". |
| 02:23.46 | Deaod | IIRC MPQs have a flag to compressing with LZMA |
| 02:23.52 | Deaod | for* |
| 02:24.09 | pirate|back | hah |
| 02:24.12 | pirate|back | I have cheated fate |
| 02:24.43 | JademusSreg | Ah, Deaod,meant to mention, I suspect there is some means by which to get their executables to operate on the filesystem. |
| 02:24.58 | JademusSreg | [22:23:12] <JademusSreg> I think maybe you don't grasp what is meant by "template". |
| 02:25.14 | pirate|back | I would agree |
| 02:27.05 | Deaod | also, why use an MD5 of content to find the content? |
| 02:28.21 | pirate | I'm assuming that a template is a 'class' in UI frame that other UI frames can inherit properties from |
| 02:29.00 | pirate | how do I create/define one |
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| 02:30.55 | Ahli | create frame outside another frame modification (so, not within a frame containing file="..."), that is a template |
| 02:31.00 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 02:31.06 | JademusSreg | brb in 15 |
| 02:38.02 | pirate | so https://pastee.org/24x25 would be a template? |
| 02:38.43 | pirate | does it need Template="xxx" in the Frame thing? or is that to get its defaults from elsewhere |
| 02:40.50 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:41.25 | Deaod | ah, they have another file that associates hashes of a files name with the MD5 of its content |
| 02:41.26 | JademusSreg | Give it Template, ya know, just to be safe and because it's a good convention. |
| 02:42.33 | pirate | I don't know >.< |
| 02:42.36 | JademusSreg | Although it was my intention that you employ templates to customize the containers to your needs, so they stop doing the crazy shit. |
| 02:43.10 | JademusSreg | pir, perhaps you should take a nap? |
| 02:43.41 | pirate | so change <Frame type="InventoryPanel" name="FunctionSelect"> to <Frame type="InventoryPanel" name="FunctionSelect" template="FunctionSelect"> ? |
| 02:44.10 | pirate | this is because XML is new and mysterious to me, not grogginess levels |
| 02:45.57 | Ahli | template="layoutname/templateframename" |
| 02:48.16 | JademusSreg | Sleep is necessary for memory consolidation, rather comparable to disk defragmenting, only it involves more neural plasticity; those networks which found themselves working together more attempt to optimize those routes and consequently make the activity more efficient, easier. It's vital to much of what is definitively human in our cognition, not least of which is the learning process. So |
| 02:48.16 | JademusSreg | if you need sleep, do so. =D |
| 02:48.48 | Deaod | i noticed that whoever wrote the CASC documentation assumes youll mostly work with unsigned integer types |
| 02:48.48 | JademusSreg | Deaod, glad I'm not the only one on this grand exploration now. |
| 02:48.58 | Deaod | "Data file number = (high byte << 2) | ((low bytes & 0xC0000000) >> 30)" |
| 02:49.12 | Deaod | thats going to really fuck up once you work with signed types |
| 02:50.07 | Deaod | "Data file number = (high byte << 2) | ((low bytes >> 30) & 0x3)" |
| 02:50.11 | JademusSreg | So far as I am aware, all of them are unsigned, all that I've seen, though I'm curious how it would behave. |
| 02:50.37 | ArcanePariah | There is actual documentation accompanying CASC? |
| 02:50.48 | ArcanePariah | Or is this stuff gleaned from the Storm data? |
| 02:50.57 | Deaod | well, signed types pad the top with 1 bits when shifting to the right if the top bit is set |
| 02:51.29 | Deaod | were mostly discussing stuff other people have found out |
| 02:51.33 | ArcanePariah | Ahh |
| 02:52.00 | Deaod | also, i dont have access to a game thats using CASC yet |
| 02:52.15 | JademusSreg | pir, have you looked at the standard layouts? |
| 02:52.24 | ArcanePariah | Did JademusSreg tell you about the 2 urls he uncovered that suggests Blizzard will be publishing actual documentation for both SC2 and Storm? |
| 02:52.34 | Deaod | no |
| 02:52.58 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes. |
| 02:52.59 | Deaod | and i suspect that whatever documentation they release wont go into how MPQs operate or how CASC operates |
| 02:53.15 | ArcanePariah | No, almost certainly editor documentation that people have wanted for some time. |
| 02:53.16 | pirate | this > https://pastee.org/cmtvr ? |
| 02:54.06 | ArcanePariah | The URL's ended with SC2Docs and StormDocs. I pretty much assume it will be editor docs since both games have a Game Guide with actual game info. |
| 02:54.08 | JademusSreg | Lemme just run a "quick" regex on my resources, see if any interesting addresses/URL/URI/protocols are found. |
| 02:54.24 | JademusSreg | pir, I mean in the UI editor, have ya looked at other files much? |
| 02:54.34 | pirate | a bit |
| 02:54.44 | ArcanePariah | Also, Storm is pretty much going to revolve around custom maps so Blizzard doesn't have to spend much time balancing heroes. |
| 02:54.50 | pirate | I've seen how some have template="xxx" in the header (is that correct word?) |
| 02:55.22 | ArcanePariah | More correct to say that some frames have a template attribute |
| 02:55.36 | pirate | ty |
| 02:55.58 | Deaod | well, CASC by design is a bit better in handling patches than MPQs were |
| 02:56.01 | ArcanePariah | And the template attribute can be treated as a parent object, just like how the parent attribute in the data editor references other objects of the same type. |
| 02:56.11 | Deaod | quite a bit actually |
| 02:56.16 | ArcanePariah | Yes, they indicated as much in their intital notes about the format |
| 02:56.31 | ArcanePariah | They said that it would permit more hotfixing and less full sized patches |
| 02:56.36 | JademusSreg | pir, look at SubtitlePanel.SC2Layout. |
| 02:56.58 | JademusSreg | It's short, simple, a nice example of how to make a new layout with just a template inside it. |
| 02:57.18 | pirate | hahahah https://xp-dev.com/sc/104646/337/%2FDefaultUI%202.0%2FUI%2FSubtitlePanel.SC2Layout hey bibendus |
| 02:58.02 | pirate | (no longer have access to editor, so my learning is halted for the rest of the night) |
| 02:58.32 | JademusSreg | CASC looks like a good fit, especially with multiple platforms and mobile in particular. Streaming, cached, segregrated on both PCs and walled-gardens, its a handsome solution. |
| 03:00.30 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it appears they took some serious time designing it |
| 03:00.37 | Deaod | with MPQs you were forced to provide a full delta or chain multiple deltas together. |
| 03:02.43 | Deaod | with CASC you just provide the changed files and build a filelist that refers to those new files instead of all the old ones |
| 03:07.00 | JademusSreg | It bears no small similarity in principle to WAFL. Actually, that's how I came to find the CASC filesystem; the connections between WAFL and CASC, related companies, employees, and even patents on similar products, eventually led me to it. |
| 03:07.55 | JademusSreg | And I -began- researching .wafl because there are files in the bnet cache bearing that extension. |
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| 03:35.24 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 03:46.17 | Bounty | *smells a sense of joy* |
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| 03:57.31 | Bounty | You know what I love about making videos about your games? |
| 03:57.37 | Bounty | Its instant gratification |
| 03:57.49 | Bounty | No need to be popular |
| 04:00.08 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:01.13 | Bounty | Like, its something you can relive |
| 04:01.22 | Bounty | over and over |
| 04:01.26 | Bounty | make more sense? |
| 04:01.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:02.32 | JademusSreg | Possibly, not clear if you intend the rhetortical "your" in the initial question. |
| 04:04.26 | Bounty | I |
| 04:04.28 | Bounty | .... |
| 04:04.42 | Bounty | *google rhetorical* |
| 04:05.23 | Bounty | So you ask whether or not I intended to have what I said apply to everyone? |
| 04:05.58 | Bounty | You know what, I won't even get into this lol. It was just a random thought |
| 04:06.04 | Bounty | =P |
| 04:06.27 | Bounty | You crazy burrito beast you |
| 04:11.56 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 05:29.26 | grim001 | anyone care to evaluate the in progress API of my rendering engine |
| 05:30.28 | JademusSreg | (When I get back in a few minutes, quite possibly.) |
| 05:32.29 | pirate | heroes? |
| 05:42.16 | Bounty | oh btw pirate |
| 05:42.25 | Bounty | did I ever get your opinion on the new Tessera video? |
| 05:46.36 | pirate | no |
| 05:46.40 | pirate | didnt watch |
| 05:47.14 | Bounty | Ah |
| 05:47.21 | Bounty | well, when you get a chance |
| 05:47.22 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOSnPnZnTE |
| 05:47.26 | Bounty | let me know what you think |
| 05:47.48 | Bounty | this is my first attempt as translating mental vision to reality |
| 05:47.52 | JademusSreg | Hi thar, grim. |
| 05:47.55 | Bounty | so I could use as much feedback as I can |
| 05:55.11 | pirate | tomorrow |
| 05:57.13 | JademusSreg | Oh, I have some input, which could be used in the future. |
| 05:58.41 | JademusSreg | Do all of the video scenes from within the editor. Including fonts and shit. |
| 05:59.20 | grim001 | I can probably throw together an API document sometime within the next hour or two |
| 06:00.20 | JademusSreg | No rush, I'm not in a position to employ it, so hardly urgent priority. =D |
| 06:01.58 | Bounty | That is an interesting though JademusSreg |
| 06:02.21 | Bounty | Fonts and Text based section would look much better in the editor |
| 06:02.23 | Bounty | than within WMM |
| 06:03.03 | JademusSreg | Yeah, especially since you use the editor more effectively toward presentation than you use Wimoma. |
| 06:03.33 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2c3ja543zahnbv8/FontTest-Futhark.png |
| 06:03.33 | pirate | fraps? |
| 06:03.45 | pirate | RUNES |
| 06:04.03 | grim001 | I mostly want to see whether it looks intuitive to use from an outsider's perspective... someone who hasn't looked at the internal code |
| 06:04.46 | grim001 | the whole idea is to make OpenGL dirt easy to use for 2d graphics |
| 06:05.08 | JademusSreg | Fraps: a once servicable app grown bloated and garrish in its popularity. |
| 06:06.03 | JademusSreg | grim, sounds like a good testing setup, in that case. |
| 06:09.37 | grim001 | It would be fine for testing most game concepts, but it is optimized for the particular type of rendering I need for my game |
| 06:10.06 | JademusSreg | Quite nice that sc2 supports added fonts, instead of hardcoded shit. |
| 06:10.18 | grim001 | not really any faster way of getting the same results despite the simplicity of use |
| 06:10.31 | grim001 | unless you count the overhead of wrappers and object creation and such, which hardly counts for anything |
| 06:10.44 | grim001 | except maybe on mobile devices |
| 06:11.03 | grim001 | but this isn't targetting openGL ES, it's for desktop use |
| 06:11.58 | JademusSreg | grim, I tend to judge APIs on readability and usability almost exclusively, since feature completeness requires complete feature knowledge and I'm not much good with rote memorization. Thought it might warrant mention. |
| 06:14.03 | grim001 | even though the screenshots I showed you months ago showcased simplistic looking graphics, getting the expected result with an arbitrary number of overlapping possibly transparent textures is very GPU intensive |
| 06:14.33 | grim001 | the default assumption within this engine is that every texture has an alpha field and it will be utilized |
| 06:15.06 | grim001 | and that correctness is more important than optimizations which would reduce flexibility... since modern GPUs should have an excess of power for this type of game |
| 06:18.22 | grim001 | however, it is doing everything possible to make the (correct) rendering as speedy as possible |
| 06:18.35 | JademusSreg | Does it assume an alpha field in the sense if absent the value will be assumed filled, or is it technically necessary and shit itself if absent? |
| 06:21.17 | grim001 | Java's internal image loading stuff should convert it to the default ARGB format even if the alpha channel is missing... I'm not sure whether it would fill it with all 0s or all 255s |
| 06:21.35 | grim001 | I'll add that to my list of things to test |
| 06:22.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:22.28 | grim001 | in any case, I can correct the values as I load them into memory buffers if needed |
| 06:23.11 | grim001 | I'm sticking to PNGs with an alpha channel right now though |
| 06:24.38 | grim001 | one side effect of my approach is that sprite batching is impossible |
| 06:25.00 | JademusSreg | Ideal starting point, PNGs have a range of useful features. |
| 06:25.16 | JademusSreg | For now. |
| 06:25.24 | grim001 | the idea is that switching the current texture bound to the GPU is an expensive call that also prevents you from batching all drawing into a single call |
| 06:25.48 | grim001 | therefore: draw every quad using this texture, then every quad using the next texture, to make the disruptions as infrequent as possible |
| 06:25.49 | JademusSreg | imagines indirection could assist. |
| 06:26.50 | grim001 | however, remember that everything is drawn onto the screen in the order you tell the GPU about it. if you sort your quads by texture rather than by depth, you must use the depth buffer to compensate |
| 06:27.08 | grim001 | the depth buffer prevents pixels from being drawn if the existing pixel on the frame buffer is already closer to the screen |
| 06:27.29 | grim001 | however, this completely destroys the ability to have an arbitrary number of overlapping transparent textures |
| 06:28.01 | grim001 | since that is a core feature I will need for my game, I can't use the depth buffer |
| 06:28.18 | grim001 | therefore, I have to sort my quads by depth rather than by texture |
| 06:28.49 | grim001 | this means that the distribution of textures is mostly random, causing a lot of extra bind calls |
| 06:29.15 | grim001 | but there is a way to get around this, which is possible because modern GPUs have so much VRAM and a simple 2d game requires so little of it |
| 06:30.11 | grim001 | use a texture atlas which contains every texture in the current map/area/whatever, then manipulate texture coordinates to draw a subset of it |
| 06:31.01 | JademusSreg | I admit I'm both familiar with such incongruous workloads for 2d and simulanteously shocked by its commonality. |
| 06:31.47 | grim001 | so, using only a single texture atlas will be completely necessary, as it should more than double the performance of the engine |
| 06:32.12 | grim001 | however, it won't be necessary to create it and enter all of the sub-texture values manually... that'd be a pain in the ass |
| 06:32.21 | JademusSreg | I can play SC2 at Ultra everything, but Starbound zoomed out, chugchugchug, haha. And also when fiddling with pixel shaders, or multiple layers in photoshop, et cetera. |
| 06:33.11 | grim001 | I will create a class which can create an uber-atlas out of an arbitrary number of textures, and give you access to a TextureMap which specifies the necessary texture coordinates for each subtexture |
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| 06:34.01 | grim001 | it'll require some extra loading time, but oh well. a finalized game could manually create the needed atlases for decreased loading times. |
| 06:34.24 | grim001 | yeah, starbound and terraria use basically no transparency |
| 06:34.45 | grim001 | most likely because they use sprite batching |
| 06:34.48 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of materials as a kind of struct/class which parameterizes its properities to generate shaders at runtime. |
| 06:35.54 | grim001 | I've only done the basics with shaders, but I look forward to dynamically generated ones |
| 06:36.11 | grim001 | using if statements within shaders can cause a drastic performance loss on many GPUs |
| 06:36.34 | grim001 | so creating new ones as needed seems like a better idea |
| 06:39.12 | grim001 | I could even build an API for shader manipulation at some point |
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| 06:40.29 | JademusSreg | Personally loath control flow where purely mathematical expressions would work just as well, if not better. |
| 06:41.00 | JademusSreg | So yeah, can relate to wanting to get rid of the ifs, haha. |
| 06:43.15 | grim001 | sometimes you need to get pretty creative for that to work |
| 06:44.28 | JademusSreg | My specialty. Or rather more accurately, my pleasure, which is a far better motivator. |
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| 06:53.26 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: I grasp nearly the entire CASC system, really quite clever. Will need to pass along word to Deaod tomorrow. |
| 06:57.11 | JademusSreg | But most people have only been looking in the most obvious place, perhaps not making the connection to the other components. WAFL and in turn CASC can have -sprawling- tangled messes of indices, so long as the first index location is constant. |
| 07:00.17 | grim001 | WAFL? CASC? |
| 07:00.25 | grim001 | google returns "WAFFLE CASE" |
| 07:01.52 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 07:02.04 | JademusSreg | I'll try to explain when I get back in a few. |
| 07:02.09 | JademusSreg | brb in 10 |
| 07:24.18 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 07:26.07 | JademusSreg | Anyway, WoW and Herostorm are both using CASC filesystem, which is rather similar to the WAFL filesystem, and interestingly the .wafl extension is used for DDS and PNG graphics in the bnet cache. |
| 07:28.15 | JademusSreg | The principle behind both CASC and WAFL is the same, that the data can just write wherever the fuck, as its all referenced by indices, like a big arbitrary data dictionary. |
| 07:30.34 | JademusSreg | People have been studying the CASC filesystem since the WoW Warblarbs of Drablorb or whatever alpha, but seemingly no one has figured it out. =D |
| 07:32.04 | grim001 | sounds like it was made to be deliberately confusing |
| 07:32.08 | JademusSreg | I feel I've got a pretty fair grasp of it, but have yet to test my understanding; still gathering data for reference. |
| 07:32.44 | JademusSreg | Well, a bit, certainly helps, but ultimately it's not much more than sticking all the files together end-to-end. |
| 07:33.03 | JademusSreg | With some null buffer, of course. |
| 07:33.36 | JademusSreg | I sent Deaod a link to various binaries. since he's keen to run em through IDA. |
| 07:34.41 | JademusSreg | 4 binaries were even distributed via bnet and remain in the cache under inauspicious extensions, .auth. |
| 07:35.30 | grim001 | so... cracking the code will allow you to extract resources from the game? or is this just for fun? |
| 07:35.47 | JademusSreg | Both. =D |
| 07:36.28 | JademusSreg | Plus, it'll allow me the opportunity to cleverly name the solution, I imagine. CASC BTLG |
| 07:36.52 | JademusSreg | Cask (of booze) Bootlegger |
| 07:37.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, silliness aside, it's quite fascinating. |
| 07:37.54 | JademusSreg | The sso=1 arg in the command line of the Herostorm process is prepended by one of the sneaky dlls. |
| 07:40.01 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/BINARY00.auth.txt |
| 07:40.15 | JademusSreg | D:\BuildServer\5\work-Production.35\battlenet-repository\branches\Production.35\Src\Build\SingleSignOn.pdb |
| 07:40.46 | JademusSreg | Pretty clever stuff. Hopefully, the same dlls can be coaxed into opening the CASC. |
| 07:41.16 | JademusSreg | (Though that one is just for carrying over the sign-in data from the bnet client to the game itself.) |
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| 07:42.41 | JademusSreg | And it |
| 07:45.03 | JademusSreg | And it seems bnet may be responsible for the CASC read/write, in part. Haven't nailed down all the details, but it's brilliantly clever, on top of the technical performance benefits. |
| 07:48.09 | grim001 | I'm sure Blizzard spends a lot of time thinking about how to hide its resources |
| 07:48.18 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 07:48.19 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:08.02 | JademusSreg | (Almost back.) |
| 08:19.56 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 08:25.02 | JademusSreg | Finished a whole bunch of string dumps on various binaries, some of which were interesting. |
| 08:26.35 | Merc | how interesting |
| 08:28.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 08:30.10 | JademusSreg | Oh, and I think I've got some storm maps in the cache, lemme check. |
| 08:31.30 | JademusSreg | Also, hi thar Merc. |
| 08:33.06 | JademusSreg | Confirmed, I've got StormMaps, woo. |
| 08:34.16 | Bounty | So, it seems you were correct after all Merc |
| 08:34.21 | Bounty | in regards to the reddit thing |
| 08:35.47 | Merc | I mean, "how interesting?" |
| 08:35.49 | Merc | as in a question |
| 08:35.52 | Merc | not sarcastic :p |
| 08:36.06 | Bounty | I looked back at your post on reddit for the original Tessera video and the title is much more intriguing |
| 08:36.19 | Merc | my title was downright exploitative |
| 08:36.30 | Bounty | I know |
| 08:36.33 | Merc | I liked pirate's input too though |
| 08:36.41 | Bounty | I only now saw it after my failure :) |
| 08:36.51 | Bounty | started with So |
| 08:37.00 | Bounty | such a small word |
| 08:37.16 | Bounty | but when you start a title with it, it implies some interesting things to follow |
| 08:37.44 | Merc | implies disbelief almost |
| 08:37.47 | Bounty | someone did X |
| 08:37.51 | Bounty | to follow |
| 08:38.00 | Bounty | makes people click in curiousity |
| 08:38.23 | Bounty | the rest is just basic wording |
| 08:38.31 | Bounty | or that Merc |
| 08:38.33 | Merc | if the content is good (and fresh!) all you gotta do is make people click |
| 08:38.39 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:38.49 | Bounty | I think I have made the mistake of assuming the opposite |
| 08:39.10 | Bounty | In that, clearly great content will naturally make people flock to it |
| 08:39.28 | Bounty | <--- horrible at marketing lol |
| 08:40.40 | Merc | whole point of marketing is to let people know how good your game is |
| 08:40.53 | grim001 | or how good you want them to think it is |
| 08:41.01 | Merc | that too |
| 08:41.30 | Bounty | It seems |
| 08:41.31 | JademusSreg | Hadn't assumed it was sarcasm; missing punctuation seemed equiprobable. |
| 08:41.33 | Bounty | and this is just a theory |
| 08:41.35 | Merc | but if your game is a FPS game, it has a lot of competition |
| 08:41.51 | Bounty | you can consider this my last thing against what you and pirate think lol |
| 08:42.05 | Merc | the fact that it is a technological advancement in the sc2 engine is only so-so interesting |
| 08:42.10 | Merc | it wont make them play the game |
| 08:42.15 | Bounty | I think that having someone besides the creator of the game itself post the reddit link helps |
| 08:42.23 | Merc | absolutely |
| 08:42.43 | Merc | turns into a trustworthy referral |
| 08:43.04 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:43.05 | JademusSreg | Oi, Merc, that reminds me, did you check out the JademusDemo? |
| 08:43.11 | Merc | instead of HELLO SIR HAVE YOU HEARD OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR TESSERA |
| 08:43.15 | Bounty | rather than a plea to view their own creation |
| 08:43.23 | Merc | Ah shit, I totally missed that JademusSreg |
| 08:43.28 | Bounty | So |
| 08:43.34 | Bounty | Its lose/lose for me |
| 08:43.44 | Bounty | in the sense of posting my own games on reddit |
| 08:43.51 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 08:44.08 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, I'm mining storm maps. =D |
| 08:44.09 | Merc | not necessarily |
| 08:44.34 | Merc | might want to do a different approach |
| 08:45.20 | Merc | The bit with "Hi, I'm Bounty, I made X Y and Z, and now I have made this which I am proud of" can also work |
| 08:45.41 | Bounty | yeah I tried that on the forums |
| 08:45.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:45.51 | Merc | Give people the impression they are given an opportunity they dont get much |
| 08:46.19 | JademusSreg | Make them feel like special little snowflakes. Made of deuterium. |
| 08:46.49 | Merc | Many people are interested in the arcade and modding |
| 08:47.47 | JademusSreg | They're just afraid, they need someone experienced, someone who knows how to put those hands on a keyboard and work all night, make them feel at ease. |
| 08:48.25 | JademusSreg | http://youtu.be/Z3f7PMESCQU |
| 08:49.39 | Merc | I still think that if you make a self post where you introduce yourself properly in the title, and follow up with content in the submission with youtube links showing your previous work and maybe offer to answer some questions about your experiences modding sc2, you'd get some buzz |
| 08:50.44 | Merc | imagines a scene where Bounty shows random redditors how to hold the golf club of sc2 modding |
| 08:53.08 | Merc | so, were there any lightbulb moments as to what PS_AUTOMATION could be? |
| 08:53.44 | Bounty | I think I am best off getting people who enjoy my work to do the marketing Merc |
| 08:53.48 | Bounty | ironically |
| 08:53.58 | Bounty | I am very good as talking with players |
| 08:54.04 | Bounty | just not very good at reaching out |
| 08:54.19 | Bounty | good at* |
| 08:56.17 | Merc | let's make a deal |
| 08:56.31 | Merc | if you make it into the top 10 |
| 08:56.39 | Merc | you make that post |
| 08:56.42 | Merc | brb lunch |
| 08:57.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:a894:c800:b314:873c) |
| 09:07.27 | Bounty | Watcha having Merc? Peanut Butter and Jelly or is that a USA thing? |
| 09:07.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:12.43 | Ahli | that is an usa thing, afaIk |
| 09:13.25 | Bounty | I wonder what the equivalent is in other countries |
| 09:13.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:14.08 | Ahli | hasenut creme (nutella) in Germany... but I don't really know about other countries, though... |
| 09:14.37 | JademusSreg | Spent the night data mining, fun stuff. |
| 09:15.00 | Ahli | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AoBmM_isubo/TU3W7m0zltI/AAAAAAAAUPU/ugow6Cfr-nA/s1600/IMG_7702.JPG that |
| 09:16.01 | Ahli | I spend the night ... I don't really know what I did, but I went to bed in the morning... as usual... too bad construction site workers started at 10am already, so I'm still a bit tired :D |
| 09:18.52 | JademusSreg | I've got some storm maps, woo. |
| 09:19.05 | grim001 | my method for creating a line looks horrendous |
| 09:19.13 | JademusSreg | Aliasing? |
| 09:19.18 | JademusSreg | Or you mean the code? |
| 09:19.25 | grim001 | the code... the result is great |
| 09:19.26 | Ahli | drugs? |
| 09:20.02 | grim001 | I could encapsulate it all in some vector math library, but it seems like drawing lines should be as fast as possible |
| 09:22.05 | grim001 | I've created some funky laser light shows by drawing 10 or 20 thousand lines per frame |
| 09:22.39 | grim001 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/lines.png |
| 09:23.16 | JademusSreg | Looks like something from erowid. |
| 09:23.46 | JademusSreg | Content of a strangely small .s2ma: Standard Data: Teams10.StormMod |
| 09:24.02 | JademusSreg | Just that string, instead of anything MPQ-like. |
| 09:24.07 | JademusSreg | Haha, clever. |
| 09:27.33 | grim001 | but yes, my lines do have aliasing |
| 09:27.49 | grim001 | reading up on how to provide an option for correcting that |
| 09:29.08 | JademusSreg | Filter passes. =D |
| 09:30.38 | JademusSreg | Which vaguely relates to some clinicly-diagnosed sickly ill nerdcorap lyrics. |
| 09:31.45 | JademusSreg | Anyway, excellent when making words at people as I am at making their acquaintence, and I say and set precedents in present tense to filter pass a murderous thesaurus'(s) cover taking my appearance. |
| 09:32.04 | JademusSreg | Followed by this explanation (during a discussion with Merc) |
| 09:32.20 | JademusSreg | See how the joke is actually a non-orientable comedic space-time projected on a Klein surface? Meets itself both ways and annihilated itself in a violent explanation. Don't worry, that second joke depends on the hypothesis that the perceived cosmic matter-antimatter imbalance can be explained as their temporal directions pointing away from one another starting at the initial space-time |
| 09:32.21 | JademusSreg | singularity precipitating the Big Gang Bang, and that in turn matter-antimatter identity is relative to their movement through a Klein surface; if space-time is a Klein-surface, it's non-orientable, which has the amusing consequence of causing antimatter and matter to collide when they meet again in the same juncture of the Klein surface space-time. |
| 09:34.30 | Ahli | achievement unlocked: "Using 'gang bang' in a normal sentence" |
| 09:34.57 | JademusSreg | Achievement relocked: Refering to that sentence as "normal"? |
| 09:36.29 | Ahli | it didn't contain words I don't know... -> common choice of words |
| 09:38.16 | grim001 | opengl has some built-in multisampling support that I can utilize |
| 09:45.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:47.07 | grim001 | multisampling is on by default. I turned on the polygon smoothing feature and it's causing some quite ugly side effects |
| 09:48.30 | JademusSreg | Are you documenting the development process for posterity, like on a personal site? Or at least maintaining a history of the artifacts? |
| 09:49.14 | grim001 | the learning resources out there for OpenGL are pretty poor beyond the absolute basics |
| 09:49.38 | JademusSreg | I mean something akin to a devlog/devblog. |
| 09:50.03 | grim001 | yeah, I mean that this sort of blog would probably help some people... don't think I can be bothered though |
| 09:50.20 | Merc | JademusSreg constructing möbius jokes |
| 09:50.30 | JademusSreg | Niiice quip. |
| 09:50.52 | JademusSreg | I ♥ the quip. |
| 09:52.43 | Merc | quip |
| 09:53.45 | JademusSreg | grim, could run a bot which draws from your code comments and irc logs to form markov chains generating the devblog automagically. =D |
| 09:53.56 | JademusSreg | </fantasticalsolution> |
| 09:54.53 | grim001 | what code comments? :P |
| 09:54.57 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 09:56.07 | grim001 | I believe in self-explanatory code for the most part |
| 09:56.20 | grim001 | one of the nice things about working in such a verbose language |
| 09:56.22 | JademusSreg | As do I, haha. |
| 09:57.08 | grim001 | anyway, no one uses polygon blending because it requires front-to-back rendering order (which no one other than me actually uses) |
| 09:57.20 | grim001 | and because it is so rarely used, it's buggy |
| 09:57.44 | grim001 | the alpha blending function is causing seams between the triangles in quads |
| 09:58.14 | grim001 | changing the alpha blending mode stops it, but the alpha blending mode I require has the issue. |
| 09:58.37 | grim001 | I will have to find some other solution |
| 09:59.25 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd50:4d60:a894:c800:b314:873c) |
| 10:16.04 | JademusSreg | Arc, you'll enjoy this, a clear sign of an impending major patch. |
| 10:16.25 | grim001 | considering that I don't want the entire screen blurred, I can't use any standard AA method |
| 10:16.48 | grim001 | but I found this: |
| 10:16.49 | grim001 | http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems2/gpugems2_chapter22.html |
| 10:17.01 | grim001 | it may contain a solution for me |
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| 10:18.36 | EntityEnigma | whats a "smart validator"? |
| 10:18.57 | JademusSreg | Often in my graphic work, I allow or even depend on aliasing when the aesthetic permits. Though I rather doubt your project's style would tolerate it. |
| 10:19.10 | JademusSreg | Ent, a setup for a joke? |
| 10:19.34 | JademusSreg | Also, validator for smart command of an ability. |
| 10:21.19 | grim001 | My lines are drawn using long, thin quads... my issue is essentially that I want some quads to be anti-aliased, but not others |
| 10:21.57 | JademusSreg | Reminds me vaguely of SC1's pathing problems. |
| 10:22.44 | EntityEnigma | what exactly is a "smart command" |
| 10:22.58 | JademusSreg | http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/the-starcraft-path-finding-hack |
| 10:23.15 | JademusSreg | Ent, smart commands activate on right click; move is a smart command. |
| 10:24.28 | EntityEnigma | oh cool |
| 10:57.19 | Deaod | Blizzard statically linked curl into the HotS binary ... |
| 11:01.46 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 11:02.07 | JademusSreg | Did you look at the *.auth binaries? =D |
| 11:08.03 | grim001 | ew... this method seems to require both "if" and "discard" in the fragment shader |
| 11:08.17 | grim001 | in other words, there could be serious performance issues |
| 11:11.37 | Merc | making me all nostalgic with the war2 screenshots JademusSreg |
| 11:12.38 | Merc | incredible how much better the sc interface was compared to the war2 interface |
| 11:12.54 | grim001 | I think a simpler approach may suffice.... I can bind a texture to the line with decreasing alpha as it approaches the edges |
| 11:17.47 | JademusSreg | I did wat? |
| 11:18.17 | JademusSreg | Ah, the linked post, yeah. |
| 11:19.12 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, mined the cache thoroughly, though analyis is pending. |
| 11:21.01 | JademusSreg | There's a profanity filter file for each localization + Base, and a binary metadata index for them. |
| 11:38.00 | Deaod | blizzard really doesnt want their program analyzed. |
| 11:38.47 | Deaod | the straightforward way would be to have a function be a single block of assembly, right? |
| 11:39.31 | Deaod | well ... the HotS binary has functions with lots of unconditional jumps within them ... and those jumps lead you all over the binary |
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| 11:59.57 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 12:01.32 | JademusSreg | Let's rundown the cache: .ACCT for each game/product/expansion enabled (notably Hearthstone id is WTCG, "Warcraft Trading Card Game"), .ACHV for achievements, .APPS which consists of a single enum element "In Battle.net", .CATA for catalog products and their marketplace values, .D3S is a zlib default-compressed container of STUFF, .db are SQLite format 3 contain some procedures and file |
| 12:01.33 | JademusSreg | references to handle account products or some such... |
| 12:03.24 | JademusSreg | Correction, App_cache.db contains that stuff, App_fkcache.db contains addresses : file paths key-value pairs. |
| 12:03.31 | JademusSreg | Continuing... |
| 12:06.37 | JademusSreg | No-extension file "index" is an index of hashed file names, convenient. |
| 12:08.14 | JademusSreg | No-extension file "sites" contains only "Default=0@1403135794", which is the ficus of some speculation; I imagine it's an address within the CASC filesystem and/or an localhost FTP server (haha). |
| 12:09.37 | JademusSreg | .LDPL and .LDPT link to moar stuff, .csv contains localizations of a bunch of basic strings. |
| 12:10.15 | JademusSreg | The rest aren't very interesting, links to various stuff. |
| 12:11.38 | JademusSreg | Really fun stuff is elsewhere. |
| 12:12.08 | JademusSreg | Deaod's digging into the binaries, I'm gonna get some storm maps operational. |
| 12:12.09 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:13.37 | JademusSreg | (Oh, forgot to mention, the main index file is probably in the bnet cache, since CASC/WAFL have complete freedom of location provided the first index has constant location.) |
| 12:13.40 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 12:27.37 | JademusSreg | It appears SC2 is prepared to make the transition over to CASC, as well, given that many of the SC2 files are represented in the new cache system. |
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| 12:34.29 | Merc | wafl |
| 12:34.39 | Merc | gotta love that |
| 12:40.24 | Deaod | hrm, IDA gives up with the HotS exe |
| 12:40.42 | Deaod | or at least cant fully analyze it |
| 12:40.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 12:41.05 | Deaod | stuff that should clearly be code isnt marked as such |
| 12:45.38 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 12:46.30 | JademusSreg | How so? |
| 12:47.57 | Deaod | i dont know why |
| 12:52.51 | Deaod | also, the battle.net.dll doesnt seem to contain stuff related to CASC |
| 12:52.55 | JademusSreg | IDA crashed because it just misinterpreted something? |
| 12:53.17 | Deaod | it just misinterpreted stuff |
| 12:53.30 | JademusSreg | What about AUTH01,02,03? |
| 12:53.46 | grim001 | so I just spent the last couple hours devising a new line antialiasing method that works through textures alone |
| 12:54.26 | grim001 | this is ideal because the shader doesn't have to change, the rendering pipeline doesn't need to change, and lines can be selectively anti-aliased simply by binding this texture to them |
| 12:54.39 | Deaod | you mean the .auth files in the cache? |
| 12:54.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah, those are binaries, dlls I expect. |
| 12:55.21 | JademusSreg | Or somethingt comparable, loaded into memory possibly via DBGHelp.dll on win systems. |
| 12:56.24 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/50/404/hhhh.gif |
| 12:56.25 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/50/403/hh.gif |
| 12:56.29 | Delphinium | @_@ |
| 12:56.42 | JademusSreg | Or through some other means, I have yet to actually debug the process, just been working on the image. |
| 12:57.10 | Delphinium | Summon--->Zolden "the Toad Keeper" |
| 12:57.16 | JademusSreg | Strongest Knoll evar. Should be in that starfox game in gif#2. |
| 12:57.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:57.40 | Delphinium | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.41 | Delphinium | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.41 | Delphinium | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.41 | Delphinium | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.37 | JademusSreg | Frog! =D |
| 12:59.40 | JademusSreg | Though I also considered tanooki, then recalled they were both powers in SMB3. Haha |
| 13:01.17 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 13:01.31 | JademusSreg | My larvae prevent me from tinkering with these Storm maps. Awfuldorable. |
| 13:04.17 | Delphinium | Interesting, can larvaes get storm maps and modify them? 0.0 |
| 13:05.21 | JademusSreg | Naw, they lack the dexterity, coordination, cognitive capacity for abstraction, height, strength, reach, and permission to do so. =D |
| 13:06.15 | Delphinium | But larvaes have predominance in number 0.0 |
| 13:07.20 | JademusSreg | True, but they lack social cohesion, without which their theoretical advantAGE CANNOT THEY LEVERAGE. |
| 13:07.37 | JademusSreg | Oops. |
| 13:07.45 | JademusSreg | Wriggling larvae. |
| 13:08.22 | Delphinium | Yeah, so the frogs catch them. |
| 13:09.41 | JademusSreg | Fortunately, they are my larvae. So whatever I am, they are similar, but a bit smaller. ♥ |
| 13:09.46 | JademusSreg | brb in 10 |
| 13:16.57 | grim001 | if anyone wants to hear about my amazing anti-aliasing technique later, feel free to ask |
| 13:17.02 | grim001 | I'm going to get some breakfast |
| 13:17.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster obscene (ae6f72ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.111.114.234) |
| 13:18.19 | obscene | Let me ask you guys a serious question. You are somewhat intelligent. How in the HELL do you stand going to work and looking at all of the inadequacies around you? |
| 13:18.40 | obscene | It's driving me to madness... So much disorganization, stupidity, and inefficiency going on.... |
| 13:18.41 | Delphinium | Don't worry, I will not eat your larvaes, and I will tell zolden too. |
| 13:19.00 | obscene | Sooo do not eat peoples larvaes, gotcha |
| 13:19.04 | Deaod | you dont. you go home every day hating others. |
| 13:19.15 | grim001 | obscene: I stand it by not going to work |
| 13:19.19 | obscene | Well fuck it, My uncle owns the damn place... I'mma change it. |
| 13:19.26 | Deaod | or that. |
| 13:19.34 | Deaod | good luck changing things. |
| 13:19.40 | obscene | I'm about to get some people thrown down a few hundred pegs |
| 13:20.13 | obscene | Oh and since when is a "Night Shift" Noon - 8 pm.... |
| 13:20.14 | obscene | lol |
| 13:20.28 | obscene | They tried to tell me that everyone thinks nightshift is in the afternoon... |
| 13:21.16 | obscene | They said 12-8 nightshift I thought they meants midnight to 8 am, and are now mad at me because I w on't work in the middle of the day when it is blistering hot out jumping into cars that is 150 F inside of them |
| 13:21.38 | obscene | Oh well... Just my thoughts... |
| 13:22.26 | *** part/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-12-82.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 13:23.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:23.20 | obscene | Lol, this job is pissing me off, they told me Iw ould be handling online sales with an alternating morning and night shift. and I come to find out I am parking cars with an alternating morning and day shift -_- |
| 13:25.37 | JademusSreg | Taint, I've got a present for you. |
| 13:26.46 | obscene | Is it a hatey award? |
| 13:27.32 | obscene | I'm really not as sore as I seem about it, but the sheer dumbness of the people around me irritate the hell out of me. |
| 13:28.25 | obscene | Whats the present JademusSreg? |
| 13:28.31 | Merc | they seem unmotivated, not stupid |
| 13:28.44 | obscene | No, they are stupid too. But unmotivated is another thing |
| 13:28.48 | JademusSreg | Let's see if it posts... |
| 13:28.51 | obscene | They have finally made me hate the south lol |
| 13:29.24 | JademusSreg | Extracted by -someone- from the Herostorm data, a profanity filter: https://pastee.org/dwvj5 |
| 13:29.30 | Merc | start up for yourself |
| 13:29.39 | Merc | america \o/ |
| 13:30.19 | Merc | starcraft, blizzard, and battlenet is profanity? :D |
| 13:30.20 | JademusSreg | Enjoy, Taint, the largest english profanity filter file, just for you. |
| 13:30.30 | JademusSreg | They are "reserved" or whatever. |
| 13:30.54 | Merc | "mushrooms" |
| 13:31.10 | obscene | lol, but I am trying to quit cussing. Completely |
| 13:31.33 | JademusSreg | But reading them isn't cussing. |
| 13:31.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:31.41 | Merc | "rebeccaporn" |
| 13:31.42 | Merc | oddly specific |
| 13:31.47 | obscene | lol |
| 13:31.53 | JademusSreg | In fact, it'll herlp you avoid inadvertedly cussing. |
| 13:32.18 | Merc | must be something they added to combat spam bots |
| 13:32.38 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't want to accidentally say wanker, gayoverlord, or 카일모어. |
| 13:32.40 | Merc | "amputee" wow |
| 13:32.44 | obscene | lol |
| 13:33.27 | Merc | [gj]en[ao]cide ;D |
| 13:33.30 | Merc | creative spellings |
| 13:33.55 | Merc | Marlboroman |
| 13:34.05 | Deaod | between "result = (int)&v3[-v4 + 16];" and "result = (int) (v3 - v4 + 16);", which one does IDA pick? Of course its the unintelligible first one |
| 13:34.47 | JademusSreg | Seems the profanity filter is some manner of regex. |
| 13:34.48 | Merc | "omgwtf" |
| 13:34.50 | Deaod | sigh. |
| 13:34.53 | Deaod | s |
| 13:34.56 | JademusSreg | Silly me, didn't pick up on it, |
| 13:35.28 | Merc | there's a word with |reserved| too |
| 13:35.56 | Merc | maybe they just gather all mentions of blizzard / starcraft / diablo etc to get an idea of what people say about them and their games |
| 13:36.17 | Merc | good for some sort of research I bet |
| 13:36.45 | Merc | wtf "norway" |
| 13:36.52 | Merc | what did we dooo |
| 13:37.10 | Deaod | lots of countries and cities in the last filter ive seen |
| 13:37.16 | Merc | popebenedict |
| 13:37.19 | JademusSreg | Ah, one of the advantages of PCRE. |
| 13:37.46 | JademusSreg | \b is a metacharacter match. |
| 13:38.41 | JademusSreg | See Unicode character properties subheader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_Compatible_Regular_Expressions |
| 13:38.57 | obscene | What really irritates me though, is that I was told my boss was "really good with computers and is head of the internet department"... Total lie... Complete scatter brain woman who only knows the basics of social media. |
| 13:39.17 | obscene | just a common redditor |
| 13:39.25 | JademusSreg | Yeahm obvious sign that it was a lie, "head of the internet department". |
| 13:39.56 | obscene | Well there is actually an "internet department" it's 3 people with master degrees in subjects that have nothing to do with computers that actually know less than I do... |
| 13:40.38 | obscene | Biology, History, and a liberal arts... though i didn't know you could get a masters in liberal arts.. |
| 13:40.39 | Merc | the fuck kinda company is this |
| 13:40.51 | obscene | The largest dodge ram dealship in USA |
| 13:41.08 | Merc | sounds like a henhouse |
| 13:41.32 | obscene | I dunno how it has made it this far to be honest |
| 13:41.44 | obscene | About half of the employees are prisoners on work release |
| 13:41.49 | JademusSreg | I must assume everything about that is wrong, and instead imagine 2 dogs and a flailing arm tubeman hiding in a highschool sublevel in a maze of pipework with crude graffiti which read "INTERNET" |
| 13:42.07 | obscene | The other half are Redneck hillbillies or Mexicans which I am becoming more and more susicious of being illegals |
| 13:42.25 | Deaod | cheap labor :D |
| 13:42.34 | obscene | Yeah that's what I am thinking |
| 13:43.54 | JademusSreg | That reminds me, Deaod, did you examine 5e298e530698af905e1247e51ef0b109b352ac310ce7802a1f63613db980ed17.auth? |
| 13:44.03 | obscene | So specific |
| 13:44.17 | Deaod | im currently looking at the one starting with 1e2963 |
| 13:44.26 | Deaod | and even there i haven made it far |
| 13:44.40 | JademusSreg | "Cookie", yeah. |
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| 13:45.42 | Deaod | they have their own allocator that aligns allocated blocks to 16 byte boundaries and writes a one byte signature or something into the byte before the data |
| 13:46.03 | Deaod | why? i dont know. |
| 13:46.19 | Deaod | i suspect this has to do with deallocation |
| 13:47.14 | JademusSreg | The auth binaries are nicknamed SingleSignOn, packer, Cookie, and Thumbprint. |
| 13:47.14 | Deaod | where because they have return the aligned address they need to figure out the unaligned address again |
| 13:48.26 | JademusSreg | Thumbprint is named after the string Thumbprint.dll.CreateModule. |
| 13:50.02 | Deaod | im looking at the CreateModule function of that file |
| 13:50.06 | Deaod | the Cookie one |
| 13:50.42 | JademusSreg | It's one of the few visible strings, because it's been compressed by UPX. |
| 13:51.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah, these auth binaries are fascinating. =D |
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| 13:52.51 | Deaod | GetProcAddress(v2, "SystemFunction036") |
| 13:52.56 | Deaod | wtf |
| 13:54.45 | Deaod | ah, this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa387694%28v=vs.85%29.aspx |
| 13:55.51 | JademusSreg | Hm, should take the reverse approach and find where they call get the address of the SQL writer. |
| 13:55.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:00.42 | JademusSreg | battle.net.dll |
| 14:00.56 | JademusSreg | Contains SQLite shit, |
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| 14:07.02 | duckies | hey goa_ |
| 14:07.04 | duckies | PE? |
| 14:07.21 | Goa_ | later:D |
| 14:07.30 | Merc | PS_Automator |
| 14:07.34 | Goa_ | I am hooked now to Civ 5 |
| 14:08.06 | duckies | I see |
| 14:08.17 | duckies | Well I'll be here if you change your mind :D |
| 14:10.07 | JademusSreg | Deaod, Herostorm and bnet client are using boost libraries (seems 1.55), and I see here specifically smart_ptr, which is nice. =D |
| 14:10.48 | Deaod | well, they likely havent switched to newer MSVC versions yet |
| 14:11.28 | Deaod | so no unique_ptr and shared_ptr yet |
| 14:11.35 | Deaod | (and weak_ptr) |
| 14:17.54 | JademusSreg | Haha "DirtyCacheIndex". |
| 14:20.37 | JademusSreg | Damn, continue to see very tempting potential leads. |
| 14:24.51 | JademusSreg | Ah, two Battle.net.dlls, so cute. The Herostorm version is the one that matters, though. |
| 14:25.56 | JademusSreg | Inside, I see the various BattlenetEvents and references mirrored in Herostorm strings. |
| 14:26.30 | JademusSreg | 0032EB03<RESOLVER-STUPID |
| 14:26.33 | JademusSreg | Hahah |
| 14:27.22 | grim001 | I return |
| 14:28.30 | grim001 | ok, who wants to hear about the amazing anti-aliasing method |
| 14:29.50 | JademusSreg | Sure, intrigued. |
| 14:31.34 | grim001 | So I mentioned before that my lines are drawn using long, thin quads. Which means they can have textures bound like any other quad |
| 14:31.39 | obscene | what grim does is shake the camera REALLY FAST |
| 14:32.10 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 14:32.19 | turtles1 | Easier method is to just squint at the screen |
| 14:32.44 | JademusSreg | Texture-based prevention of need for anti-aliasing? =D |
| 14:33.01 | JademusSreg | Or is it a mask applied over it? |
| 14:33.05 | JademusSreg | *to it?> |
| 14:34.55 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: Ahahahaha, wow, these storm maps aren't even missing their GUI triggers. Would be trivial to load em. |
| 14:34.55 | grim001 | All I've done is apply a specially generated texture to the quad, and it creates an effect similar to standard anti-aliasing |
| 14:35.11 | JademusSreg | grim, yay. =D |
| 14:35.34 | JademusSreg | How does it handle lots of overlap/intersection? |
| 14:36.04 | grim001 | the A over B, B over C, C over A case is impossible in my engine because everything is a quad and all quads are at a particular Z depth |
| 14:36.46 | grim001 | in all respects it behaves identically to a long thin quad with a transparent texture bound... since that's what it is |
| 14:37.25 | grim001 | as I explained before, it's setup to handle an arbitrary number of overlapping transparent textures and produce the correct result |
| 14:38.17 | JademusSreg | Das goot, I'm just the sort to try and break stuff. =D |
| 14:38.45 | grim001 | so the only interesting part of this technique is basically: how is the texture generated |
| 14:39.55 | grim001 | I have a raster class that allows me to generate textures pixel by pixel... much more practical than trying to create it in an image editor |
| 14:40.50 | grim001 | it's a 1x32 white texture where the inner 16 pixels are 255 alpha, and the outer 8 pixels on each side follow a gaussian curve toward 0 alpha |
| 14:41.38 | grim001 | 1x32 so that the texture is stretched down the length of a line rather than across it |
| 14:42.20 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/7paxz |
| 14:42.41 | grim001 | now of course, this fades out a significant amount of the width of the line, therefore the line must be drawn wider by a particular factor in order to compensate |
| 14:42.50 | JademusSreg | Less than optimal, but it's a tech alpha, os whatever. |
| 14:43.08 | JademusSreg | (Directed at the galaxy script, not you, grim.) |
| 14:45.05 | JademusSreg | Oh, strange new files in the naom CellAttribute_ PnP, Vbl, and Vur. |
| 14:45.41 | JademusSreg | They are terrain cell encoded values, pretty cute. |
| 14:46.56 | grim001 | screenshot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/antialias.png |
| 14:48.18 | grim001 | it looks a lot like standard hardware AA under the microscope. |
| 14:49.27 | JademusSreg | Hm, now for not so close. =D |
| 14:49.35 | grim001 | the only limitation is that you cannot bind a texture to a line and enable AA for it at the same time |
| 14:49.55 | grim001 | but I guess you could bake in the AA to the line texture if it matters that much. |
| 14:51.09 | grim001 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/antialias2.png |
| 14:51.15 | grim001 | zoomed out. |
| 14:51.50 | grim001 | there is also no AA on the other 2 tiny edges of the line, but that is hard to see unless you use an excessive line width. |
| 14:52.10 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 14:52.13 | JademusSreg | Nicely done. |
| 14:52.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Good morning all. JademusSreg, that trigger code for Cursed hollow is fascinating. Is there more? |
| 14:52.20 | JademusSreg | Hallo Arc. |
| 14:52.25 | JademusSreg | Good news for ya. |
| 14:52.47 | JademusSreg | Deaod has been IDA, digging deep in the disk image of the binaries. |
| 14:52.54 | JademusSreg | *IDA'n |
| 14:53.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And interestingly enough, as I suspected, Abathurs Ultimate requires triggers to work correctly |
| 14:53.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Because of the UI manipulation |
| 14:53.52 | JademusSreg | I've rummaged thoroughly through the cache, found some cool shit, including binaries stored surreptitiously in the cache under the .auth extension. |
| 14:54.01 | JademusSreg | Yupyup. |
| 14:54.02 | grim001 | there's also the story of how I derived the constant to multiply anti-aliased line widths by to maintain a similar width to standard lines (so as not to change the width of lines when enabling/disabling AA), but I will spare you |
| 14:54.13 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:54.40 | JademusSreg | Arc has the engineer disposition. |
| 14:54.48 | JademusSreg | He'd probably enjoy it. |
| 14:55.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I somewhat skimmed that part grimm, I may look over it while waiting for my builds. |
| 14:55.23 | JademusSreg | Also, found the -unprotected- storm maps in the cache, so woo. |
| 14:55.44 | grim001 | the old HotS maps before it was ported to an independent project? |
| 14:55.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well duh, Blizzard maps have never been protected, they always just checksummed and replaced them if they failed. |
| 14:55.57 | JademusSreg | Naw, the new maps. |
| 14:56.09 | JademusSreg | They are legitimate. =D |
| 14:56.25 | grim001 | is the new HotS shit using SC2's scripting engine behind the scenes? |
| 14:56.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Err, its the same engine |
| 14:56.39 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So same scripting and all |
| 14:56.56 | ArcanePariah|Wor | That will probably make a few people go wtf |
| 14:57.09 | grim001 | I figured that one of the reasons they stopped attempting to make it for SC2 is because it was too limited and not responsive enough |
| 14:57.19 | JademusSreg | Also, all the sc2 and such data has taken on a different form in the bnet cache, it's all moving toward the CASC or CASC-like systems. |
| 14:57.44 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Nope, they may have tweaked the engine but everything in storm is possible today in SC2, just probably in a more inelegant fashion |
| 14:57.51 | JademusSreg | Which suggests a big patch for SC2 in the nearish-futurish. |
| 14:58.12 | Deaod | well, were still waiting for LotV |
| 14:58.26 | JademusSreg | Currewnt builds for SC2 and Herostorm are 30508 and 30509 respectively. |
| 14:58.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | JademusSreg, I suspect every Blizzard game is getting a massive patch soon. D3 PTR 2.1 is to start this month, WoD Alpha is in progress, and Storm just announced the next phase of the Alpha |
| 14:59.01 | grim001 | I hope they improved the networking in HotS |
| 14:59.07 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So I fully expect every game to get some kind of massive patch within 1 month |
| 14:59.24 | JademusSreg | The forks will move closer together soonish, perhaps imminentlyish. |
| 14:59.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | grim001, to my knowledge, the networking is fine, but Blizzard set a floor on the overall latency. This has improved over time, but to keep game synced their will always be a floor |
| 15:00.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah, just dig through the cache, Arc. Well, if you'd ever done it before, you'd notice the difference. =D |
| 15:00.20 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Unfortunetly do not have the time, too busy learning other goodies here at work :D |
| 15:00.35 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Maybe this weekend |
| 15:00.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I find one thing odd in the abathur code |
| 15:00.58 | JademusSreg | I've already done the digging, so there's no need. |
| 15:01.22 | grim001 | arcane: the responsiveness has always seemed sluggish compared to moba-style games |
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| 15:01.31 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It appears that instead of storing all hero data in User Data or even in the Hero data type, they intialized everything into memory. I guess performance was key when doing Abathurs Ultimate. |
| 15:01.37 | grim001 | enough to make it feel bad to play |
| 15:02.09 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I almost wonder if the cast time/transform time for Abathurs Ultimate is a cover for the trigger. |
| 15:02.32 | ArcanePariah|Wor | An artificial delay to give the trigger time to properly do the UI changes and do the lookup for abilities |
| 15:02.50 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 15:03.06 | JademusSreg | It's an indication of different network solution. |
| 15:03.43 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, some natives are either misspelled or their is a new implementation of them in storm. For example, this line: if ((UnitHasBehavior2(EventPlayerEffectUsedUnit(c_effectUnitTarget), "Ultimate1Unlocked") == true)) |
| 15:03.47 | ArcanePariah|Wor | there* |
| 15:04.02 | JademusSreg | Stores them to ensure it impacts properly even if they fudge the connection, haha. |
| 15:04.07 | JademusSreg | And that's a new native. |
| 15:04.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | UnitHasBehavior2 would seem to indicate a new implemtation |
| 15:04.31 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Since that native already exists |
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| 15:04.58 | JademusSreg | bool UnitHasBehavior2(unit,string); |
| 15:05.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, I'm going to asssume they further refine library functions. I distinctly remember a number of functions that were compiled down to natives, with the old ones still present. |
| 15:06.14 | JademusSreg | The signatures are identical beyond the identifier, so no idea what the purpose would be, some significant feature inexplicably not represented in the name. |
| 15:06.18 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 15:06.55 | JademusSreg | Ah, I wouldn't count on it. =D |
| 15:07.11 | JademusSreg | Because using GUI must carry a penalty. |
| 15:08.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | libCore_gf_GetHeroIndexForUnitType(lv_typeofCopiedUnit) seems to be their lookup function into the array they have for all the heros in storm. I just find it odd they didn't use the User Types to simpyl store everything, or maybe they did and that function is the one that loooks it up. |
| 15:08.07 | JademusSreg | I jest, sincerely, though, |
| 15:08.25 | JademusSreg | Hold on. |
| 15:09.02 | JademusSreg | Well, no user data in that specific map. |
| 15:09.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:10.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It wouldn't be, it would almost certainly be in libCore |
| 15:10.56 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Because that's where the array is stored |
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| 15:11.57 | JademusSreg | Well, feel free to assist in the CASC cracking effort. |
| 15:12.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:12.07 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I take it the map can simply be renamed to .sc2map and be opened subsequently? |
| 15:12.13 | JademusSreg | Because it's not in the cache. |
| 15:12.30 | JademusSreg | Oh, it would error, really shit the bed. |
| 15:12.39 | ArcanePariah|Wor | True, wrong engine |
| 15:12.43 | JademusSreg | But it can be done with a bit more tact. |
| 15:13.19 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well I assume that the casc archive decomposes to the same components we use today and would be savable as heroescomponents? |
| 15:13.52 | JademusSreg | Some of em, one may assume, since there are references to them. |
| 15:13.58 | ArcanePariah|Wor | In other words, although the archive format has changed, the underlying file structure for maps is not? |
| 15:14.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | has not* |
| 15:14.23 | JademusSreg | So it would seem. Gotta cracko the casc to be certain. |
| 15:14.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Which would make sense. I'm betting good money any sc2 map opened post 2.2 and then saved will be repackaged with the new archive format. |
| 15:15.48 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I alos assume that post 2.2, either Blizzard will start forcing maps to be published with the new format or convert everything serverside themselves. |
| 15:15.52 | JademusSreg | Oh, well, yeah, I could probably open SC2 maps in storm, if it will let me run maps at all. |
| 15:16.14 | JademusSreg | I suspect our permissions are limited to prevent such things as the -run command line arg. |
| 15:17.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Probably, it may require a key or a compile option to unlock it. |
| 15:17.37 | ArcanePariah|Wor | May have a check for being a debug build or only debug builds will even acknowledge those parameters |
| 15:17.44 | ArcanePariah|Wor | deubg/dev* |
| 15:17.53 | grim001 | so I doubled the resolution of my alpha texture so that there are 16 sample points on each side rather than 8, and it substantially improved the look of 1-pixel-width lines |
| 15:18.22 | grim001 | now I need to algorithmically generate the texture in a configurable way... |
| 15:18.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | :D |
| 15:19.10 | JademusSreg | Well, I've got the maps, just need to grab the delicious CASC data. |
| 15:19.12 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:19.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | At least we know Blizzard has been busy |
| 15:36.27 | Merc | busy bees |
| 15:36.36 | Merc | hey ArcanePariah|Wor I got a tiny question |
| 15:37.03 | Merc | I'm still wrestling this hydralisk copy, intent on making it work |
| 15:37.26 | Merc | but I am struggling with finding out where it attaches the weapon/projectile |
| 15:37.30 | Merc | as in, where it spawns from |
| 15:37.53 | Merc | there doesnt seem to be an actor with any Launch Attachment Query |
| 15:38.17 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It should be the action actor for the hydra attack |
| 15:38.28 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And that action actor should have a missile actor linked |
| 15:39.20 | Merc | it should be Needle Spines (Launch Missile) Copy in other words |
| 15:39.54 | ArcanePariah|Wor | If that is an action actor, yes |
| 15:40.14 | Merc | oh hang on I was looking at effects |
| 15:40.14 | Merc | zz |
| 15:41.00 | Merc | Hydralisk Attack Copy is an actor of type Action |
| 15:41.26 | ArcanePariah|Wor | That should be the one |
| 15:41.33 | Merc | aaah there we go |
| 15:41.41 | Merc | problem was that I am blind |
| 15:41.42 | Merc | as usual |
| 15:43.04 | Merc | so if I set it to "filter weapon" it should use the Ref_weapon attachment point I specified in the model, right? |
| 16:07.23 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes |
| 16:08.46 | Merc | worked \o/ |
| 16:09.26 | Merc | now.. where do I reduce the speed of the missile.. missile actor I assume |
| 16:10.37 | Merc | oh hang on there's something called Mover |
| 16:10.50 | Merc | is learning |
| 16:39.11 | JademusSreg | is returning. |
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| 17:04.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:24.08 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So JademusSreg has arisen from the dream world of bits and bytes to share an analog version of said world? |
| 17:24.17 | ArcanePariah|Wor | grabs popcorn |
| 17:26.48 | JademusSreg | Fair assumption, given my predilection for illustrious demonstrations of digital designs in tandem with explanations by analogue elaborations. |
| 17:38.10 | JademusSreg | saves that to WordplaysOfMAssDestruction.txt. |
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| 18:03.21 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So my best guess when these patches start rolling out is in 2 weeks. Next week the D3 AH is taken offline, So the week after, next phase of Storm Alpha might start ( they are planning on expanding the invite pool to international). Since they made Storm have a Techincal Alpha, I'm more thinking Storm is basically the test bed for all the architecture changes coming to all the games. WoD Alpha is probably a further testbed. |
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| 18:30.45 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 18:35.47 | pirate | ahoy |
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| 18:50.26 | Merc | Now I got this issue: http://i.imgur.com/V6NF2NX.gif |
| 18:50.34 | Merc | dude's got terrible aim |
| 18:51.00 | pirate | whats the height of the missile unit |
| 18:51.11 | Merc | haven't got a clue |
| 18:51.13 | Merc | how do I check |
| 18:51.26 | pirate | Data > Unit > Height |
| 18:51.56 | Merc | oh there's a unit for that thing as well |
| 18:52.01 | pirate | what? |
| 18:52.11 | pirate | the missile is a unit, yes |
| 18:52.31 | pirate | the next thing to check is the missile unit's actor site ops |
| 18:52.44 | Merc | cant see anything referring to height in the unit at least |
| 18:53.08 | pirate | all units have a height filed |
| 18:53.10 | pirate | *field |
| 18:53.13 | Merc | host site operations = disabled disabled disabled |
| 18:53.17 | pirate | sure |
| 18:53.25 | pirate | ok, so find the missile unit |
| 18:53.30 | pirate | and look for it's height |
| 18:53.37 | pirate | its |
| 18:53.43 | pirate | not a good day for spelling |
| 18:53.54 | Merc | you're a pirate, free pass. |
| 18:56.57 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, check the mover |
| 18:57.06 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Mover can alter the height appearance |
| 18:57.07 | Merc | cant find anything that has to do with height tbh |
| 18:57.09 | Merc | but uuuuh |
| 18:57.11 | Merc | durr |
| 18:57.12 | Merc | ofc |
| 18:57.13 | Merc | I know |
| 18:57.16 | Merc | the model itself |
| 18:57.22 | Merc | it's not on the 0,0,0 axis |
| 18:57.29 | Merc | which it probably should be |
| 18:57.35 | pirate | ... |
| 18:57.38 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yeah... that would do the trick :D |
| 18:57.59 | Merc | I remember thinking "guess it should be in shoulder height" |
| 18:58.04 | Merc | lifted it up a bit |
| 18:58.34 | pirate | lol dont do that |
| 18:58.44 | Merc | not my finest hour |
| 18:58.45 | pirate | that can all be done easily with actors |
| 18:58.56 | Merc | yeah I realize that now |
| 18:58.58 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.11 | Merc | was a while since I made these models |
| 18:59.20 | Merc | I've been procrastinating data for a good while |
| 19:00.57 | pirate | for the record, height: http://i.imgur.com/XDLSwwN.png |
| 19:01.20 | Merc | oh it was that one |
| 19:01.30 | Merc | kinda dismissed it since it said "UI" |
| 19:01.42 | Merc | it was grayed out though |
| 19:02.20 | pirate | 'greyed out' simply means its currently set to a default parent value |
| 19:02.54 | Merc | yeah not sure what kinda logic I was using |
| 19:03.16 | Merc | right now I am enjoying watching the editor crash every time I try to update the model |
| 19:04.30 | Merc | the fuck did I do this time |
| 19:04.57 | Merc | you guys should watch me work |
| 19:05.09 | Merc | would probably be great entertainment if I had a laugh track in the background |
| 19:06.26 | pirate | editor crash ++ update the model? |
| 19:06.32 | pirate | how are you updating the model? |
| 19:06.37 | pirate | you mean importing it? |
| 19:06.52 | Merc | reimporting the updated model yes |
| 19:07.03 | pirate | how are you doing this |
| 19:07.38 | Merc | F9, import, find model, it imports, it displays, it disappears, and a moment later I get a crash |
| 19:07.47 | Merc | happened before, solved it with a complete pc restart |
| 19:08.02 | pirate | odd |
| 19:08.15 | pirate | is the model open in cutscene editor or anything? |
| 19:08.33 | pirate | you can always save the map as .sc2components and overwrite the model manually (with the editor closed) |
| 19:09.05 | Merc | gonna restart first, see if that helps |
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| 19:32.50 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:33.57 | pirate | okay |
| 19:33.59 | pirate | good timing |
| 19:34.01 | pirate | https://pastee.org/u8xqu |
| 19:34.22 | pirate | this is such a template you prescribed? |
| 19:36.20 | JademusSreg | In essense, though I didn't prescribe syntax errors. |
| 19:36.20 | pirate | but now what to do with it, as InventoryPanel is not a Control type you can hookup in script |
| 19:36.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, fortunately, there are ways around it. |
| 19:36.54 | pirate | hookup a panel that contains it? |
| 19:37.02 | pirate | and which syntax errors :/ |
| 19:38.37 | JademusSreg | Well, yeah, that's one way. |
| 19:38.57 | JademusSreg | Line 22, offset attribute. |
| 19:40.11 | pirate | it was a hacky way to center the frame since it was ignoring anchors |
| 19:40.22 | JademusSreg | However, there's a better way: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10262437059 |
| 19:40.33 | pirate | excellent |
| 19:40.49 | JademusSreg | As for ignoring anchors, that just means you're doing it wrong. =D |
| 19:42.17 | pirate | that makes sense |
| 19:42.28 | pirate | "limitations > make the equipment panel's element's position static (like left aligned, right aligned, freely positionable, vertical alignments)" |
| 19:43.51 | JademusSreg | I'll make a skeleton template set, so you're not burdened why copy pasta modifications. |
| 19:43.52 | pirate | er, "Remaining unsolved challenges:" |
| 19:44.11 | JademusSreg | No, that solves the hookup problem. |
| 19:44.26 | pirate | in jademus we trust |
| 19:46.12 | JademusSreg | There is no position problem; that's a design issue of how the elements interact. Which I will address with a skeletal template set. Or you can make one, if ya like. |
| 19:46.28 | JademusSreg | One moment. brb |
| 19:47.40 | pirate | I wouldn't know where to begin |
| 19:49.02 | JademusSreg | I'll explain. |
| 19:49.12 | JademusSreg | Remember the reference from last night? |
| 19:49.33 | pirate | which/quick refresh? |
| 19:50.03 | JademusSreg | searches for the link. |
| 19:50.23 | pirate | subtitles? |
| 19:50.34 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/cmtvr |
| 19:50.56 | pirate | right yes, wacky button anchors |
| 19:52.48 | JademusSreg | This contains all the shit required to make it work, but not all the shit is required for it to work. A skeletal template set will strip out everything extraneous so that you can design it however you want without the burden of copy pasta. |
| 19:53.36 | JademusSreg | It's the difference between navigating a labyrinth from within its halls and solving a maze on paper. |
| 19:53.50 | pirate | ah |
| 19:53.56 | JademusSreg | When you're inside, all you can think of is what's in front of you. |
| 19:54.05 | JademusSreg | So brb, then I'll get started. |
| 19:54.44 | pirate | so you copy/paste that layout, delete all the unnecessary bits, and then rewrite the important bits to get the functionality we want |
| 19:55.12 | pirate | and then we use ahli's discovery to hookup a new inventory panel from this new template? |
| 19:57.58 | JademusSreg | (yep.) |
| 20:01.12 | pirate | neat |
| 20:03.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I'm curious, I'm not entirely sure I understand the issues that Ahli was facing, maybe Blizzard changed something since then. I was able to freely reposition the elements in info unit and info unit hero. |
| 20:04.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Oh, now I see, he bypassed the usual display of one type of frame at a time. |
| 20:06.04 | pirate | learning for everyone |
| 20:07.42 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Mmhmm :D. Going to do my horizontal buff bar today or tomorrow |
| 20:08.50 | pirate | gimme |
| 20:09.49 | pirate | I'll give you Admin User status in Resistor() when it's eventually released :D |
| 20:10.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 20:10.56 | Bounty | peow |
| 20:13.34 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 20:14.01 | JademusSreg | Who? |
| 20:14.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Are we really naming a game like an electrical engineer meets coder? Where do I sign? :D |
| 20:16.24 | pirate | that's exactly what we're doing in this game |
| 20:16.34 | pirate | that's the entire premise |
| 20:16.46 | pirate | zoop? |
| 20:16.58 | pirate | Jade, it goes without saying you get Admin User status |
| 20:17.54 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 20:18.31 | ArcanePariah|Wor | lol |
| 20:18.35 | pirate | you can even have your crazy Load()/Stack()/Launch() function combo |
| 20:28.43 | JademusSreg | I still enjoy gazing over my frame element support list. |
| 20:29.35 | pirate | it is a good list |
| 20:48.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:49.41 | JademusSreg | Ah, the joys of de+reconstructing inheritable hierarchical data structures. |
| 20:51.48 | pirate | are control 'panels' really frames? |
| 20:51.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster paynis (18edf345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.243.69) |
| 20:52.03 | JademusSreg | Yeah, more or less. |
| 20:52.58 | JademusSreg | The dialog control type Panel requires frame class/type Frame. |
| 20:53.23 | pirate | excellent |
| 20:53.32 | paynis | hello all :3 |
| 20:53.47 | pirate | ahoy |
| 20:53.56 | paynis | anyone feels like streaming a game of StarParty? I really want to see what the game looks like: I was absent for the last month of its production :( |
| 20:54.07 | paynis | and I do not have access to sc2 since I am travelling without a computer |
| 20:54.11 | paynis | (I use libraries for itnernet access) |
| 20:54.13 | pirate | youtube? |
| 20:55.01 | paynis | :o |
| 20:55.23 | paynis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1fTq6lWT-c oh nice |
| 20:55.29 | JademusSreg | Ah, that is not a desirable data point to have in one's model. |
| 20:55.31 | paynis | thanks for remembering me that youtube exists :D |
| 20:56.02 | pirate | I like simple solutions |
| 20:56.33 | pirate | and I have no desire to promote a worthy competitor |
| 20:56.33 | paynis | god damnit: "An error occured, pleasae try again later." |
| 20:56.48 | paynis | what is your submission again, pirate? |
| 20:57.27 | pirate | http://kotaku.com/someone-turned-starcraft-ii-into-a-turn-based-rpg-1584699762 |
| 20:58.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:59.44 | paynis | a turn-based rpg? I hate those XD |
| 21:00.20 | pirate | It's riddled with bugs stemming from poor workflow (then again, so is star party) and lacks the replayability inherent with multiplayer games, but the novelty and technical achievement should give me a decent shot in the top 5 |
| 21:01.04 | paynis | what are the criterias Blizzard will be using again? |
| 21:01.17 | paynis | what are SP's bugs? |
| 21:01.22 | pirate | I'd assume "Fun" is #1 |
| 21:01.28 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.32 | paynis | it sucks so hard not to be able to see your own project :( |
| 21:02.27 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.29 | paynis | ooh, you are the one with that nice honeycomb ui |
| 21:02.38 | paynis | yup, I really love that ui design: good job on it :) |
| 21:03.08 | pirate | AND WITH WHAT IVE LEARNED IN THE LAST FEW DAYS I COULDVE MADE THAT MUCH QUICKER AND PRETTIER/RESPONSIVE WITH LAYOUT FILES WHRRBGLLRBRBLLLLL |
| 21:03.55 | paynis | layout files being the XML UI files? |
| 21:04.00 | pirate | yes |
| 21:04.09 | paynis | hehe, shoulda thought about that ;) |
| 21:04.18 | pirate | when I return to rogue star I'll be overhauling quite a bit |
| 21:04.47 | Bounty | A penis talking with a pirate |
| 21:04.51 | Bounty | interesting.... |
| 21:05.55 | JademusSreg | pir, please note this is just to illustrate all the stuff, not necessarily indicative of the complete version; Jade_CommandButtonTemplate WIP: https://pastee.org/qbm89 |
| 21:05.57 | paynis | :) |
| 21:06.41 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:07.16 | pirate | kk |
| 21:07.28 | pirate | erm, ahli's linked example is this: https://pastee.org/k2s4c |
| 21:07.47 | pirate | now, I'm no expert so I can't say for sure, but I feel like that's not XML |
| 21:08.13 | paynis | it doesn't look like it is |
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| 21:10.09 | DeadZergling | How is the coke addict today? |
| 21:18.10 | pirate | reading the word 'frame' so many times |
| 21:18.13 | pirate | makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvILBnX9Xv0#t=76 |
| 21:27.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, that's the fat version of the game/command button template; don't need most of those, but the possibilities are dazzling. |
| 21:28.22 | pirate | ah |
| 21:28.33 | pirate | am I doing something with this, or awaiting further instruction? |
| 21:28.34 | JademusSreg | The FocusNext and FocusPrevious frames, for instance, or the shortcut hotkey field. |
| 21:28.54 | JademusSreg | WIP == Work in Progress |
| 21:29.11 | pirate | (I'm currently playing around with ahli's method to turn the command card into a hookup) |
| 21:29.31 | pirate | (for learning purposes) |
| 21:29.47 | JademusSreg | Pasted it to assuage potential concerns I'd forgotten about ya or were otherwise fucking around. |
| 21:29.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:29.56 | pirate | ahh |
| 21:30.11 | pirate | assuage is a good word |
| 21:30.48 | pirate | perhaps jade is multiple blizzard employees under one screen name |
| 21:31.05 | pirate | this could explain his seemingly endless uptime |
| 21:31.32 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Then who am I? :D |
| 21:31.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | JademusSreg alter-ego? :P |
| 21:32.22 | pirate | Nah, you're good but your knowledge isnt quite the same level of all-encompassing |
| 21:33.06 | pirate | also that you consistently work on a single project suggests no affiliation |
| 21:34.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli_ (~asdaaaaa@ip-2-206-207-211.web.vodafone.de) |
| 21:35.54 | paynis | oh hi ahli |
| 21:36.10 | pirate | oh good, ahli |
| 21:36.13 | paynis | so... latest news of paynis' adventure |
| 21:36.30 | paynis | I am currently in Haines, my kayaking partner lost all his money and is stuck in here trying to get food stamps |
| 21:36.37 | pirate | [14:07] <pirate> erm, ahli's linked example is this: https://pastee.org/k2s4c [14:07] <pirate> now, I'm no expert so I can't say for sure, but I feel like that's not XML |
| 21:36.42 | ArcanePariah|Wor | True, I'm just another interested mapmaker who enjoys wandering the halls of thought and dreams |
| 21:36.46 | paynis | I left my backpack in Skagway... which I cannot reach easily at all |
| 21:36.59 | pirate | (that's the most logical explanation, arcane) |
| 21:37.20 | paynis | I will have to hitch-hike something like 400 miles while moving around 5 different bulky medium sized bags... |
| 21:37.30 | paynis | I have been thinking about trying to hitch a plane or a ferry ride. |
| 21:38.37 | pirate | hahah, what are you doing in alaska |
| 21:38.39 | pirate | that's silly |
| 21:38.49 | paynis | kinda sucks I have to cross borders 3 times if I want to get my backpack by normal road hitch-hiking |
| 21:38.56 | paynis | I've been kayaking for a month |
| 21:39.26 | paynis | I was supposed to reach Vancouver Island, next to Washington border but all the partners I had lined up for that expedition choked out... |
| 21:39.38 | paynis | so now I only spent 1 month on the water, instead of 3 |
| 21:39.42 | pirate | ah |
| 21:39.49 | pirate | I'm currently on vancouver island |
| 21:39.51 | paynis | but oh well: I still got to see glaciers, whales, sea lions, seals, etc.! :) |
| 21:39.56 | pirate | narwhals? |
| 21:40.01 | paynis | no narwhals :( |
| 21:40.05 | pirate | less interesting |
| 21:40.06 | paynis | humpbacks and orcas |
| 21:40.18 | paynis | whereabout on the island are you in? |
| 21:40.37 | pirate | southern, near victoria, for the next few days |
| 21:40.44 | paynis | just travelling? |
| 21:40.49 | pirate | visiting family |
| 21:41.03 | paynis | i went on the island 4 times, did a bunch of hitcing, and somehow never got around to even try to go to Victoria |
| 21:41.07 | paynis | it's on my list for the next time |
| 21:41.14 | paynis | I want to explore the northern tip of the island too |
| 21:41.24 | paynis | where do you live? |
| 21:41.57 | pirate | toronto |
| 21:42.07 | paynis | if you like magic mushrooms, you are at the right place ;) |
| 21:42.41 | paynis | I can direct you to a funny little hippy community if you want |
| 21:42.54 | pirate | I have enough of those already |
| 21:43.00 | pirate | but thanks for the offer |
| 21:43.03 | JademusSreg | Also: vomiting, and especially vomiting psilocybin mushrooms. |
| 21:43.05 | paynis | hippies or mushies :p |
| 21:43.10 | pirate | hippies |
| 21:43.25 | paynis | I never vomited when using psilocybins/psylocins |
| 21:43.44 | JademusSreg | I must assume you had THC at the time. |
| 21:43.50 | paynis | pirate, how do you like Toronto? and how have you liked the Island so far? |
| 21:44.00 | paynis | I'm from Montreal. We live kinda close :) |
| 21:44.02 | pirate | I like the island weather much better |
| 21:44.13 | pirate | I hate toronto's winters |
| 21:44.20 | pirate | I'm moving elsewhere before the next one |
| 21:44.23 | paynis | I've tried with and without THC ;) |
| 21:44.36 | paynis | island's winter = RAIN + RAIN |
| 21:44.43 | pirate | and I'm okay with that |
| 21:45.04 | paynis | okidoo |
| 21:45.21 | paynis | you should check out Prince Rupert too, then |
| 21:45.27 | paynis | it's further up north |
| 21:45.35 | paynis | you'd get some mild rain climate during the winter |
| 21:45.40 | paynis | but also some NORTHERN LIGHTS! :D |
| 21:46.27 | pirate | I have this very romanticized image of Austin, TX in my mind- all I need is a compelling reason to move there |
| 21:46.59 | paynis | you wuold need to get citizenship |
| 21:47.16 | pirate | I have both |
| 21:47.23 | paynis | oh, that's nice :D |
| 21:47.29 | paynis | have you explored the States much? |
| 21:47.32 | pirate | convenient |
| 21:47.33 | pirate | and yes |
| 21:47.39 | paynis | Utah, Colorado, California and Oregon are awesome |
| 21:47.49 | paynis | western Arizona is quite scenic as well |
| 21:47.53 | pirate | never been to Utah |
| 21:48.00 | pirate | I hear it's full of mormons |
| 21:48.05 | paynis | darn, gotta go check out those National Parks in southern Utah |
| 21:48.29 | paynis | I spent nearly 2 weeks hitching and hiking in Utah and haven't met a single mormon |
| 21:48.45 | paynis | northern Utah is where they stay, mostly, from my understanding |
| 21:48.53 | paynis | I stayed in southern utah |
| 21:50.24 | paynis | a hitch-hiker friend of mine says that people have a lot of good things to say about Austin, but he hates it because it's one of the only place where he got arrested for hitch-hiking |
| 21:50.39 | paynis | (while it was actually legal) |
| 21:51.47 | paynis | it's illegal to hitch in Utah, but officers do not enforce it |
| 21:52.06 | paynis | pirate, you like Hiking? |
| 21:52.23 | pirate | the afternoon trip kind |
| 21:52.29 | paynis | because if you're on the Island, you should check out the West Coast Trail or the Juan De Fuca Trail |
| 21:52.41 | paynis | ah, those a multi-days hikes, though |
| 21:53.00 | paynis | are* |
| 21:53.05 | pirate | We did the Jaun De Fuca in highschool |
| 21:53.12 | paynis | really?! |
| 21:53.22 | pirate | and snow camping |
| 21:53.23 | pirate | yes |
| 21:53.40 | paynis | from what I've heard, it's basically like the WCT, but a bit further inland, with less scenery, but free. |
| 21:54.05 | paynis | snow camping on the JDF would be hard: it hardly ever snows on the island |
| 21:54.16 | pirate | snow camping was elsewhere |
| 21:54.28 | pirate | on one of those mountains |
| 21:54.51 | paynis | on the island? |
| 21:54.58 | pirate | yes |
| 21:54.59 | paynis | or you mean mainland BC/western alberta |
| 21:55.03 | paynis | ah |
| 21:55.09 | pirate | hmm, ahli left |
| 21:55.29 | paynis | I'm glad to have found another travelling map-maker :) |
| 21:56.04 | pirate | Jade what do you know of error: Template of type [CommandPanel] not compatible with frame of type [Frame] |
| 21:56.17 | pirate | this sounds like it kills ahli's workaround |
| 21:57.27 | paynis | I've had that error a few times before |
| 21:57.59 | paynis | I was trying to hook up some frames on a dialog item so that I could move them around, if I remember properly |
| 21:58.20 | paynis | it seems like certain frames are just not allowed to be hooked, but I am uncertain about that |
| 21:58.29 | paynis | what is the layout path you are using, pirate? |
| 21:59.41 | pirate | right, but I'm attempting ahli's workaround which specifically combats that |
| 22:00.55 | DeadZergling | wait a second, pirate travels? Where does he find the time to stalk blizz then |
| 22:01.31 | paynis | brb |
| 22:01.50 | pirate | <Frame type="Frame" name="UIContainer/ConsoleUICointainer/CommandPanel/UserFunctionsParent/UserFunctionsHoleCutter/UserFunctions" template="CommandPanel/CommandPanelTemplate"> |
| 22:02.30 | pirate | traveling for pirate involves a lot of sitting around in airports with wifi, FZ |
| 22:02.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster paynis_ (18edf345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.243.69) |
| 22:03.08 | pirate | **DZ |
| 22:03.14 | pirate | <Frame type="Frame" name="UIContainer/ConsoleUICointainer/CommandPanel/UserFunctionsParent/UserFunctionsHoleCutter/UserFunctions" template="CommandPanel/CommandPanelTemplate"> |
| 22:05.16 | paynis_ | hell oagain |
| 22:05.42 | paynis_ | from what I remember, you are not supposed to use the "template" in there |
| 22:06.38 | paynis_ | hmm |
| 22:06.47 | paynis_ | [14:05] == paynis [18edf345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.243.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] |
| 22:06.48 | paynis_ | ?? |
| 22:08.21 | pirate | https://pastee.org/jv2ab |
| 22:08.25 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 22:08.33 | pirate | that is the example I found |
| 22:09.02 | pirate | which suggests you can trick a frame into thinking its not a frame by telling it read a template |
| 22:09.16 | pirate | from my understanding |
| 22:11.09 | JademusSreg | And is there a problem with your implementation? |
| 22:11.58 | pirate | error: Template of type [CommandPanel] not compatible with frame of type [Frame] |
| 22:12.44 | paynis_ | last time I tried using "<Visible val="false"/>", it would never work: I always had to using big offset numbers to push them out of the screen |
| 22:13.43 | paynis_ | http://www.galaxywiki.net/Custom_UI#MOBA_Command_Card this is a part of a sample I wrote: feel free to copy parts of it |
| 22:13.51 | paynis_ | (if it is of any help) |
| 22:14.50 | JademusSreg | pir, paste the relevant UI stuff. |
| 22:15.18 | pirate | ah, well- the issues isn't modifying the command panel, it's creating one that can be hooked up a dialog item and thus dynamically altered |
| 22:16.03 | pirate | not at all a necessity for this mod (I've overwritten the default to satisfactory usage)- but as a learning process |
| 22:17.13 | JademusSreg | Well, the dialog control type enum is limited, although that reminds me of something. |
| 22:17.22 | pirate | https://pastee.org/6mby3 |
| 22:17.46 | pirate | wait |
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| 22:19.49 | paynis_ | waits |
| 22:20.01 | pirate | I changed nothing and the error went away |
| 22:20.17 | paynis_ | lol, I've had that before |
| 22:20.25 | paynis_ | could it be: |
| 22:20.27 | pirate | seems to happen a bit with UI |
| 22:20.31 | paynis_ | the error loads the first time you load your map |
| 22:20.45 | paynis_ | and disappears if you reload (test) the map without closing the window |
| 22:21.25 | JademusSreg | pir, I assume you have a habit of not closing the sc2 client between tests? |
| 22:22.07 | Dustin | Hola gentlement |
| 22:22.09 | Dustin | gentlemen |
| 22:22.17 | pirate | generally |
| 22:22.40 | Dustin | I have that habit too, fucks shit up sometimes lol |
| 22:23.29 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Hello Dustin |
| 22:24.38 | ArcanePariah|Wor | JademusSreg, for animating images, I assume there is a native for dialog items to start their image animation? |
| 22:24.42 | paynis_ | are we -supposed- to close the sc2 client between tests? |
| 22:24.49 | paynis_ | I leave it open because it seems like it loads tests faster |
| 22:25.24 | pirate | it definitely loads faster |
| 22:25.39 | ArcanePariah|Wor | paynis_, it loads faster however it sometimes does not load the correct config |
| 22:25.41 | JademusSreg | Hm, dialog control proiperties, anim related, sure. |
| 22:25.57 | ArcanePariah|Wor | The map and a config file are copied and then run |
| 22:26.11 | JademusSreg | The irony was that dialog control APIK provided means of controlling animating images but not make them, haha. |
| 22:26.19 | paynis_ | so in which cases should I consider closing it? |
| 22:26.22 | JademusSreg | *API |
| 22:26.27 | paynis_ | (which parts of the config are not loaded properly) |
| 22:26.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | If you have not set an explicit location for testing, it should be under Starcraft II/Test |
| 22:27.18 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You will see a Test.Sc2Map as well as Test.EditorConfig file or something to that effect |
| 22:34.16 | Dustin | that test map saved my ass one time before I started version controling my map and didnt save for like an hour once |
| 22:34.56 | paynis_ | gotta luv dem auto-saves ;D |
| 22:35.16 | JademusSreg | I look forward to testing the storm maps tomorrow. =D |
| 22:35.17 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 22:35.21 | Dustin | Ive trained myself to hit Ctrl+s way more than I need to lol |
| 22:35.29 | Dustin | storm maps? |
| 22:35.36 | Dustin | Are they adding new maps to the alpha? |
| 22:36.29 | paynis_ | when will Blizzard release their Top 10? |
| 22:36.35 | paynis_ | and how will the Community Vote work? |
| 22:36.50 | pirate | june 30th/july 1st |
| 22:37.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Dustin: JademusSreg was able to interpret the new data archive format, and thus extract the current maps trigger scripts |
| 22:37.21 | Dustin | Oh nice! |
| 22:38.18 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Him and Deaod have been learning how the new Archive format works and glean more info from it (CASC is the new format, much nicer/cleaner, and JademusSreg is fairly certain of the origin of its design) |
| 22:38.54 | Dustin | Hell ya that's good news |
| 22:41.36 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It is indeed. Everything points to Blizzard spending the last 6-9 months doing major architectural reworks of all their games. |
| 22:41.51 | paynis_ | hum? |
| 22:41.57 | paynis_ | what are they changing? |
| 22:42.10 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well, backend stuff primarily |
| 22:42.23 | Deaod | phasing out MPQs |
| 22:42.25 | ArcanePariah|Wor | They have changed the data archive format they use, they will no longer be using MPQ |
| 22:42.47 | Dustin | That's very interesting |
| 22:42.50 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Alos, in his digging, JademusSreg found 2 URLS, one ended with SC2Docs, the other with HeroDocs |
| 22:43.00 | Dustin | They've been using MPQ for as long as I can remember |
| 22:43.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Which I'm guessing is documentation for the respective editors |
| 22:43.17 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Since both games already have game guide areas. |
| 22:43.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I've surmised that the RtC contest was a trial run, to determine and drum up mapmaking in preparation of Heroes of the Storm |
| 22:44.03 | Dustin | fuck ya, I wanna know what they've got planned for the Heroes editor |
| 22:45.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | The D3 AH will be closing next week (taken offline), and it is hinted that its PTR will be this month. WoW's next expansion is in Alpha. Also Storm is going into next phase of its alpha soonish |
| 22:45.08 | paynis_ | so what does it change that they won't use MPQ anymore? :o |
| 22:45.27 | Deaod | patching the game becomes a lot easier |
| 22:45.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | The new format has a number of benefits. No more repair files, patches will be WAY easier/faster |
| 22:45.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, games will run faster, because asset retrieval has been enhanced |
| 22:46.38 | ArcanePariah|Wor | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13645405/warlords-of-draenor%E2%84%A2-alpha-testing-begins-4-3-2014 Here is the original post on the format |
| 22:47.23 | Deaod | finding a single file is a few indirections |
| 22:47.26 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And to be frank, it is about time, they were quite correct in pointing out MPQ is old. |
| 22:47.34 | ArcanePariah|Wor | 20 Years now |
| 22:48.40 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It will be quite an interesting task to convert every game (other then Storm, which already uses it) over to it. |
| 22:49.15 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, in his searching, JademusSreg has found evidence that the editor will transition to using JSON instead of XML |
| 22:49.44 | pirate | how does that affect us |
| 22:49.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Which, as much as JSON may be harder to read for a human, should increase editor and game performance. |
| 22:49.56 | Deaod | your tools will have to change |
| 22:50.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | XML is descriptive, but heavier then JSON |
| 22:50.08 | Deaod | cant use MPQ editors anymore |
| 22:50.13 | ArcanePariah|Wor | faster to parse JSON from my understanding |
| 22:50.26 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Although I may be mistaken, someone correct me if I am. |
| 22:50.35 | pirate | MPQ editors are unneeded for sc2 mapping |
| 22:50.55 | Deaod | ehhhh, yes they are? |
| 22:50.56 | pirate | since you can save stuff as .sc2components |
| 22:51.12 | Deaod | and how would you look at the default stuff? |
| 22:51.23 | pirate | how do you mean? |
| 22:51.38 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Core.SC2Mod |
| 22:51.39 | Deaod | say you wanted to take a look at the natives for galaxy |
| 22:51.47 | Deaod | how would you do that? |
| 22:51.55 | pirate | I wouldn't theyre on wiki :P |
| 22:52.03 | Deaod | and how did they get there? |
| 22:52.07 | ArcanePariah|Wor | ,... and how did they end up ther? |
| 22:52.12 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Ninjaed by Deaod |
| 22:52.13 | ArcanePariah|Wor | :P |
| 22:52.16 | pirate | I see |
| 22:53.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | The JSON change is interesting because it SHOULD boost data editor performance considerably, esepcially with large data files (like the lag when you list every unit from every dependency for example). |
| 22:53.17 | pirate | that would be v. welcome |
| 22:54.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, and that woudl also explain the documentation. XML you can examine and sort of figure out on your own. JSON... you NEED the data layout for it to be useful. |
| 22:54.43 | pirate | gotcha |
| 22:55.16 | Deaod | and yes, i think JSON is very simple, but relies on convention in a couple places |
| 22:55.20 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I'm assuming you know the difference between XML and JSON. If not, then it would be useful to learn. |
| 22:55.23 | Deaod | like encoding |
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| 22:56.15 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Mhmm... plus correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a JSON file is order dependent? Otherwise it wouldn't know which number goes with which field? |
| 22:56.21 | ArcanePariah|Wor | be* |
| 22:57.00 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I know the XML is sortof order dependent, but in may places it isn't, where you place elements within an object don't matter because of the tag. |
| 22:57.25 | Deaod | i dont think this applies to JSON either |
| 22:57.52 | Deaod | IIRC you have "key" : "value" pairs in JSON |
| 22:58.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Oh yeah, in which case, nvm |
| 22:58.18 | Deaod | you do have array notation though |
| 22:58.28 | ArcanePariah|Wor | SO yeah, the JSON should be much more light weight, and also, isn't JSON more easily compressed? |
| 22:58.38 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Or maybe I'm remembering something badly... |
| 22:58.50 | Deaod | i dont know the statistics on that |
| 22:59.32 | Deaod | http://json.org/ |
| 23:00.23 | ArcanePariah|Wor | In any case, overally it should reduce map size overall (not hugely but decent), but the lookup times should be much faster... now that I think of it, wouldn't that improve Catalog functions in triggers since those inevitably have to parse and find the object? |
| 23:08.43 | DeadZergling | As wonderful as this all sounds, I think we are being a little too optimistic about all this |
| 23:09.07 | DeadZergling | forgetting about 6-12 months of countless fuck ups to existing maps/processes as part of the transition? |
| 23:09.24 | DeadZergling | will be good, after it is very bad |
| 23:29.12 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Actually, I think Blizzard is taking care to make the transition as painless as possible, since they have to transition all their existing stuff too. |
| 23:34.56 | DeadZergling | Well of course they are trying to make it painless and go smoothly |
| 23:35.02 | DeadZergling | But it doesn't mean it happens. |
