| 00:16.26 | DeadZergling | Don't recall ever being this fucking bored before |
| 00:16.30 | DeadZergling | been really bad the last few days |
| 00:16.54 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOSnPnZnTE |
| 00:17.35 | DeadZergling | New(er) Tessera video? |
| 00:17.48 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:17.53 | Bounty | brand new |
| 00:19.45 | DeadZergling | appears your focus has been infinitely better than mine, lol |
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| 00:23.45 | DeadZergling | Maybe I should forget updating Death TV or Horo RPG more, and just go off on some random new project |
| 00:23.57 | DeadZergling | new challenge, like making a fun Special Forces |
| 00:24.16 | Bounty | Special Forces Unique |
| 00:24.32 | Bounty | Theres your name |
| 00:24.32 | DeadZergling | was more thinking, Special Forces: WTF Edition |
| 00:24.48 | Bounty | Special Forces: Special Edition |
| 00:24.51 | DeadZergling | have the gameplay be completely different, be more like a special forces mission |
| 00:24.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:25.05 | DeadZergling | instead of a sit at the base and buy upgrades game |
| 00:25.08 | Bounty | Thats what you should do for Death TV |
| 00:25.12 | Bounty | upload a second version you can update |
| 00:25.17 | Bounty | but call it Special Forces something |
| 00:25.41 | DeadZergling | Dunno, just thoughts I been having anyways |
| 00:25.49 | DeadZergling | want to do something, but not sure where to focus |
| 00:26.11 | DeadZergling | Doesn't help that I apparently am the most negative person ever in IRC, or a hater of thinking |
| 00:26.18 | DeadZergling | At least someone thinks I'm that... |
| 00:27.12 | Bounty | I do |
| 00:27.29 | Bounty | You're not acting that way now though so, props |
| 00:27.52 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 00:28.15 | DeadZergling | Only time I hate thinking is when it is done by my supervisors |
| 00:28.20 | DeadZergling | Always results in more work for me. |
| 00:28.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:29.10 | DeadZergling | Kind of dangerous when my wife says she has been thinking too |
| 00:29.30 | DeadZergling | 'You know I've been thinking ... " |
| 00:29.43 | DeadZergling | work items to do, work items to do, work items to do, and wouldn't it be nice if work items to do |
| 00:30.36 | DeadZergling | would like to take Death TV further, at least a few more bosses and the weapons I spent so long planning out |
| 00:30.48 | DeadZergling | but not sure I want to take it Death Ikari Warriors further, lol |
| 00:31.16 | Bounty | People want you to update it so |
| 00:31.39 | DeadZergling | huh, where |
| 00:31.41 | Bounty | But I would not update it if you really don't want to, it will effect how good the update is if you don't wanna do it |
| 00:31.53 | Bounty | Sethos said he will be voting for it |
| 00:32.00 | Bounty | and duckies wants you to update it |
| 00:32.06 | Bounty | twas quacking up a storm I say |
| 00:32.07 | DeadZergling | bah, he has his crow |
| 00:32.17 | DeadZergling | when? lol |
| 00:32.37 | Bounty | plus, I see it on the open games list more then Tessera |
| 00:32.40 | DeadZergling | Well, is a problem I frequently have, I have a ridiculous amount of ideas |
| 00:32.49 | DeadZergling | is hard to focus |
| 00:34.09 | Bounty | I wish when people voted it showed them under the reviews |
| 00:34.11 | DeadZergling | my solution lately, goofing off on Everquest on a weak-ass char for several nights, lol |
| 00:34.13 | Bounty | even if they did not leave a review |
| 00:34.19 | Bounty | these stealth 1 star mother fuckers |
| 00:34.36 | Bounty | still playing EQ? |
| 00:34.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:34.44 | Bounty | level? |
| 00:34.47 | DeadZergling | not really, just goofing off in free mode |
| 00:34.58 | Bounty | free mode? |
| 00:35.00 | DeadZergling | 51, but I only started him a few days ago |
| 00:35.07 | Bounty | the fuck |
| 00:35.11 | DeadZergling | and haven't used power levels or mercs at all |
| 00:35.20 | DeadZergling | yea dude, you can play for nothing to a certain point |
| 00:35.20 | Bounty | getting to 51 used to take weeks or a month(s) |
| 00:35.37 | DeadZergling | but to have more power, you have to subscribe |
| 00:35.47 | Bounty | ah |
| 00:35.54 | Bounty | interesting model |
| 00:36.04 | DeadZergling | they switched it over to a free to play model, but subscribing still gets more perks |
| 00:36.19 | DeadZergling | you have to subscribe to get 'power', lol |
| 00:36.43 | DeadZergling | you can't even use certain items without it |
| 00:37.11 | Bounty | what is their sub fee? |
| 00:37.13 | Bounty | still 15? |
| 00:37.13 | DeadZergling | but honestly, you can play up through planes of power or so like in the old days without paying for shit, lol |
| 00:37.33 | DeadZergling | like 12-14 per 1 month, goes down to 10 if you commit for a year |
| 00:37.34 | Bounty | mmm Planes of Power |
| 00:38.06 | DeadZergling | the game has went to very interesting lengths to keep afloat, lol |
| 00:38.32 | DeadZergling | here is a fun one, they put in Krono, which you can buy for 18 $, but is an in game item |
| 00:38.39 | DeadZergling | when you click it, you get a month of subscription |
| 00:38.48 | DeadZergling | but, you could trade it for money or items too instead |
| 00:39.05 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 00:39.06 | DeadZergling | in game |
| 00:39.10 | Bounty | thats not a bad idea |
| 00:39.13 | Bounty | very creative |
| 00:39.26 | DeadZergling | I rather liked it when I played more seriously |
| 00:39.41 | DeadZergling | could use in game currency to play as a subscriber on 3 accounts |
| 00:39.46 | DeadZergling | never pay for anything |
| 00:39.49 | Bounty | I wonder if DAoC is still afloat |
| 00:39.59 | Bounty | I know EA shut down Mythic :( |
| 00:40.33 | DeadZergling | it isn't a terrible game really, but they'd do EVERYONE a huge favor if they reduced raid # needs down to like 24-36 |
| 00:41.14 | Bounty | aw shit |
| 00:41.14 | DeadZergling | is a great way to use up a lot of free time, alienate your wife/kids with, lol |
| 00:41.19 | JademusSreg | So the bnet client is handy, in that it offers additional command line arguments. Unfortunately, even when the file path is correct for a run argument, it says my "StarCraft II license" isn't valid, haha. So apparently, these are licenses for editing and even running local test maps with the Herostorm client. |
| 00:41.23 | Bounty | apparently Mythic already created a new studio after getting canned by EA |
| 00:41.24 | Bounty | http://www.broadsword.com/ |
| 00:41.57 | DeadZergling | I know an EQ developer is trying to go more indie |
| 00:43.07 | JademusSreg | Could be the launch command precedes the run command, dunno how that might be resolved. =D |
| 00:43.11 | DeadZergling | ahahahaha |
| 00:43.28 | DeadZergling | apparently Pantheon is going poorly.... http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2014/05/38081-pantheon-rise-fallen-lead-developer-accused-taking-35k-crowdfunding-campaign/ |
| 00:43.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:44.01 | Bounty | Gotta love when that shit happens |
| 00:45.41 | DeadZergling | glad I didn't put a dime into that now |
| 00:46.05 | DeadZergling | I was considering it for a while, but decided against it as I need to quit using games as an excuse not to do anything of my own |
| 00:47.51 | DeadZergling | that and I'm no fan of putting money into a game I might get to play in a few years, lol |
| 00:48.03 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:48.08 | Bounty | might not even be alive |
| 00:48.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:49.24 | DeadZergling | by the way Bounty , I know just how easy 51 has been in comparison to the old days |
| 00:49.31 | DeadZergling | Used to be months to get to 50, lol |
| 00:49.42 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:49.50 | Bounty | Took me a month to get from 45-46 |
| 00:49.53 | Bounty | Hell levels |
| 00:49.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:50.04 | DeadZergling | yep, I know them well |
| 00:50.24 | DeadZergling | the only nice part is, death hurt less in them |
| 00:51.10 | DeadZergling | Took my little wizard all of about 30-40 mins to get from 45 to 46 last night |
| 00:51.16 | Bounty | eh well once you got to that level, clerics had xp rez |
| 00:51.18 | Bounty | I think |
| 00:51.25 | Bounty | I was a Halfling Warrior |
| 00:51.29 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:51.38 | DeadZergling | why does that not surprise me |
| 00:51.51 | Bounty | I also like how I used the words "I was" |
| 00:51.56 | Bounty | as if it actually happened |
| 00:52.13 | DeadZergling | MMORPGs man |
| 00:52.14 | Bounty | damn EQ brain |
| 00:52.40 | DeadZergling | you wouldn't believe how much some people think of themselves as their respective class |
| 00:52.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:53.16 | DeadZergling | I wasn't much better, Shadow Knight main since 1999 |
| 00:53.39 | A1win | woo I just did something I've never done before 8o |
| 00:53.55 | DeadZergling | Did you tell her thank you? |
| 00:54.25 | A1win | no it's not that |
| 00:54.34 | Bounty | I think A1win is more confident than that |
| 00:54.37 | Bounty | He would probably be like |
| 00:54.41 | Bounty | "You're welcome" |
| 00:54.57 | DeadZergling | Best 40 seconds of her life? |
| 00:55.08 | DeadZergling | anyways, do say what before we digress further A1win |
| 00:55.21 | A1win | it's a text file |
| 00:55.23 | A1win | with 22 lines |
| 00:55.53 | DeadZergling | You wrote a haiku? |
| 00:56.01 | A1win | aren't those like 5 lines? |
| 00:56.10 | DeadZergling | You wrote 4.4 haikus? |
| 00:56.19 | A1win | ;| |
| 00:56.26 | DeadZergling | just spit it out already, lol |
| 00:56.28 | A1win | haha |
| 00:56.33 | Bounty | dat text file hype |
| 00:56.39 | A1win | I assigned myself deadlines |
| 00:57.04 | DeadZergling | Soon it will be time for another first |
| 00:57.07 | DeadZergling | Letting yourself down.... |
| 00:57.14 | A1win | hehe ;p |
| 00:57.32 | A1win | these are deadlines for things that I actually want to do :P game design stuff |
| 00:57.41 | DeadZergling | Only trouble with self assigned deadlines. |
| 00:57.56 | DeadZergling | Your supervisor is way too flexible with timelines and how important items are. |
| 00:58.01 | DeadZergling | aka, YOU. |
| 00:58.10 | A1win | that's why I haven't done it before |
| 00:58.15 | A1win | because I knew I wouldn't keep them |
| 00:58.19 | Bounty | Sounds like you've been watching some Tony Robbins videos lately A1win |
| 00:58.26 | DeadZergling | Good luck keeping at least a few Haikus worth. |
| 00:58.27 | A1win | no idea who that is |
| 00:58.52 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcXYB-4kOl4 |
| 00:59.09 | Bounty | motivational speaker |
| 00:59.39 | DeadZergling | anyways yea, I can't ever really get back into EQ again now Bounty , they nerfed SKs too hard this time. |
| 00:59.49 | DeadZergling | No desire to stick around to see how they fuck me over next. |
| 00:59.52 | Bounty | Death Touch? |
| 00:59.52 | JademusSreg | Gotta determine which strings are arguments, beyond this small list. |
| 01:00.24 | DeadZergling | Naw, some jargon shit that wouldn't make sense to anyone in this channel. |
| 01:00.42 | JademusSreg | run fixedseed seedvalue testtype difficulty speed offline reloadcheck profileFile profileStart profileEnd testconfig graphicsQuality texturesQuality buildcaches |
| 01:01.00 | Bounty | Jargon Binks |
| 01:01.05 | JademusSreg | Haven't confirmed all of them, but most of them are familiar/. |
| 01:01.17 | A1win | anyway my first deadline is in 4 days, we'll find out soon if this works |
| 01:01.25 | Bounty | That is your new name JademusSreg |
| 01:01.28 | Bounty | fix it |
| 01:01.40 | JademusSreg | Oh, and sso. |
| 01:01.43 | A1win | oh I should also add "come up with more deadlines" at each deadline |
| 01:01.48 | JademusSreg | And launch. |
| 01:02.07 | DeadZergling | and Revise existing deadlines |
| 01:02.23 | A1win | good point |
| 01:02.50 | A1win | though I'd do that anyway |
| 01:03.02 | Bounty | Or |
| 01:03.06 | Bounty | Just do it? |
| 01:03.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:03.33 | A1win | that doesn't work as well |
| 01:03.36 | Bounty | I don't understand this deadline thing, if you had to set deadlines to get something done then that means you're not motivated enough to reach the deadlines |
| 01:03.59 | Bounty | Unless you can pull off tricking yourself |
| 01:04.06 | Bounty | Which is what this sounds like... could work |
| 01:04.06 | A1win | it forces me to think in a different way |
| 01:04.21 | A1win | I'll have to more consistently think about time management than I normally do |
| 01:04.26 | Bounty | I don't think it will force you |
| 01:04.41 | A1win | not literally force |
| 01:04.43 | Bounty | Just gonna have to apply some penalties |
| 01:04.43 | A1win | :P |
| 01:04.47 | Bounty | if you miss a deadline or change it |
| 01:05.15 | A1win | I can't trick myself like that |
| 01:05.28 | Bounty | me either, which is why I fail at quitting smoking lol |
| 01:05.37 | Bounty | that whole "reward yourself" thing |
| 01:05.41 | A1win | I quit biting my fingernails... again |
| 01:06.13 | Bounty | I could probably cut a rhino with my fingernails |
| 01:06.15 | DeadZergling | Smoking is one I'll never understand getting started on |
| 01:06.28 | DeadZergling | it just sounds so damned awful, why ever get hooked to a slave driver like that |
| 01:06.30 | Bounty | You start young DeadZergling |
| 01:06.34 | A1win | it was a passive thing so all I needed was to start actively thinking about it |
| 01:06.38 | Bounty | nobody starts late lol |
| 01:07.10 | Bounty | So if you can make it to mid 20's or so without smoking... you're in the clear |
| 01:07.11 | DeadZergling | sounds like me and taking showers A1win |
| 01:07.23 | A1win | you stopped taking showers? |
| 01:07.28 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 01:07.31 | DeadZergling | I have to actively think about it to actually take them |
| 01:07.34 | A1win | ;x |
| 01:08.10 | DeadZergling | otherwise, I passively forget |
| 01:08.20 | Bounty | I know I was a little repugnant at times during that last month of the contest |
| 01:08.36 | Bounty | Shower or... keep going with the flow |
| 01:09.26 | DeadZergling | I get even worse though I think, I have acceptable substitutes for showering |
| 01:09.38 | DeadZergling | Baby wipes in my bad spots = good for a few more days |
| 01:09.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:09.56 | Bounty | ok now you're just trolling |
| 01:10.26 | DeadZergling | Haha, I'm not, I sure, got you there? |
| 01:10.28 | DeadZergling | No, I actually don't feel bad about it either. |
| 01:11.29 | DeadZergling | you simply wish I was trolling. |
| 01:12.30 | DeadZergling | Although if you want to get real technical about it, I always have favored playing troll/ogre characters in everquest? |
| 01:13.04 | DeadZergling | Out of curiosity A1win , what is your first deadline? |
| 01:13.10 | JademusSreg | Guess what -CrashTest does? =D |
| 01:13.25 | DeadZergling | alt + f4? |
| 01:13.32 | A1win | weapon system for my prototype |
| 01:13.38 | A1win | (with some details) |
| 01:13.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, Alt F4 doesn't give you the Describe hat You Were Doing window. =D |
| 01:14.00 | JademusSreg | *What |
| 01:14.12 | A1win | which I need for the next deadline that is AI for NPCs (which would be rather useless if I couldn't shoot them) |
| 01:14.25 | DeadZergling | poor NPCs |
| 01:14.32 | DeadZergling | your only usefulness is to be shot! |
| 01:15.02 | DeadZergling | Says the guy with the game with more creep killage than all the other 80 entries combined.... |
| 01:17.56 | DeadZergling | definitely need to find something more useful to do though |
| 01:18.28 | DeadZergling | my only thoughts at the moment are if I started ninja kicking all the machines in my lab, how long would it take for me to get in trouble. |
| 01:22.21 | DeadZergling | you still about Bounty ? Curious what duckies said, I haven't heard much from him since 5/31 |
| 01:22.39 | Bounty | he just asked if I had convinced you to update Death TV yet |
| 01:22.52 | Bounty | and he said he wants you to and that he will try |
| 01:22.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:24.15 | Bounty | So, I am so glad I came up with the concept for that video and executed it sober |
| 01:24.25 | DeadZergling | I see, interesting |
| 01:24.33 | DeadZergling | got an email asking when I'm gonna bother finishing my RPG too, lol |
| 01:24.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:24.55 | Bounty | I still get people asking me when I'll finish Doodad Hunt |
| 01:25.33 | DeadZergling | I really do need to finish that RPG sometime, there is a lot to do, but most the hardest stuff is already done |
| 01:25.48 | DeadZergling | the systems/ability purchasers/abilities/etc |
| 01:27.14 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 01:30.41 | Bounty | I have a feeling that the new Tessera video is going to be hate or love it |
| 01:30.44 | Bounty | kinda like the game |
| 01:30.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:31.44 | Bounty | oh well |
| 01:31.56 | pirate | nova is so op in heroes |
| 01:33.54 | pirate | @ahli havent received key yet but borrowing friends account who got in april wave |
| 01:35.24 | Ahli | blizz received my list |
| 01:35.46 | Ahli | I've asked for confirmation ;) |
| 01:41.44 | Ahli | do you have a vacation day tomorrow, too? |
| 01:44.59 | pirate | on vacation all week |
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| 01:52.24 | Ahli | is there an easy way to create images for cooldowns? basically one image containing a lot of images of a pie chart, for example... just like the cooldowns in sc2, but those images suck |
| 01:53.29 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, shouldn't you be like the leading master of this, mr diablo health bars? |
| 01:54.18 | Ahli | I'm not a great new image creator |
| 01:55.06 | DeadZergling | got a screenie of what you have in mind? |
| 01:58.33 | pirate | you want high res image cooldowns? |
| 01:58.35 | Ahli | e.g. something like this: http://i.snag.gy/mYdfw.jpg but something that can indicate a cooldown like a round progress bar... |
| 01:58.50 | pirate | Imma make high res version of the sc2 ones |
| 01:59.43 | Ahli | but I've no idea how to efficiently create something like that |
| 02:00.06 | DeadZergling | seems you should make one good solid one |
| 02:00.13 | DeadZergling | then play with colorization and opacity |
| 02:00.19 | DeadZergling | for all the rest |
| 02:01.55 | Bounty | So |
| 02:01.57 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 02:02.03 | Bounty | ready for this? let me know what you think |
| 02:02.07 | Bounty | next Tessera mode |
| 02:02.15 | DeadZergling | hope I don't have to interrupt my VVVVVV music |
| 02:02.17 | Bounty | Each player would have 3 cubes rotating around them that represent the amount of hits they can take like mario kart |
| 02:02.24 | Bounty | and the cooldown on the gun will be cut by about half |
| 02:02.38 | Bounty | speed would also be increased to help dodge such rapid shots |
| 02:03.24 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, it is another mode |
| 02:03.40 | DeadZergling | but why would I feel compelled to play this mode, instead of original? |
| 02:04.02 | Bounty | diff experience |
| 02:04.18 | Bounty | I think the default modes are really for the ppl who want to enlarge their epeen |
| 02:04.22 | DeadZergling | is sort of like, yay, I get to do more work for less reward? |
| 02:04.24 | Bounty | not very newb friendly |
| 02:04.37 | DeadZergling | hurray, people can now KS me? |
| 02:04.39 | Bounty | this would be more newb friendly and fast paced + fun |
| 02:05.17 | DeadZergling | I don't think it is a compelling enough mode for me to want to play over other modes, honestly |
| 02:06.08 | Bounty | You trying to encourage me sir? |
| 02:06.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:06.27 | DeadZergling | I'm simple saying, the mode offers nothing fun to me |
| 02:06.32 | DeadZergling | *simply |
| 02:06.44 | Bounty | fair enough, understood |
| 02:06.46 | DeadZergling | knock off mode, ctf mode, those offer something new |
| 02:06.59 | DeadZergling | that is just sort of like, why? |
| 02:07.13 | Bounty | because it alters the entire way the gameplay works in normal modes |
| 02:07.22 | Bounty | and accelerates it |
| 02:07.32 | Bounty | for those who want something more fast paced but don't want the 1 shot kills |
| 02:07.32 | DeadZergling | well, accelerate is the wrong word |
| 02:07.44 | DeadZergling | half the fire time, takes 3 shots to kill |
| 02:08.05 | DeadZergling | even if you are a perfect shot, still takes 50 % longer per kill |
| 02:08.09 | DeadZergling | and someone could KS you now |
| 02:08.13 | Bounty | the exact variables are not set in stone |
| 02:08.18 | Bounty | would just test and see what is the most fun |
| 02:08.30 | DeadZergling | offer new weapons + healing and armor to go like that |
| 02:08.34 | DeadZergling | *go with that |
| 02:08.37 | DeadZergling | then you have my interest |
| 02:09.03 | Bounty | any weapon that is projectile based would not work well |
| 02:09.07 | Bounty | bc of bnet |
| 02:09.20 | DeadZergling | obviously I can't say anything bad about the 3 hit thing |
| 02:09.25 | DeadZergling | as mine already allows 3 hits :) |
| 02:09.26 | Bounty | would be no competition with the main weapon in terms of accuracy |
| 02:10.03 | DeadZergling | not necessarily, but do understand what you mean |
| 02:10.21 | DeadZergling | just offering feedback, not trying to be synthetically a downer or anything like that today |
| 02:10.29 | Bounty | nah I know what you're saying |
| 02:10.46 | Bounty | Just trying to have options for all types of players |
| 02:11.08 | Bounty | you can KS in the knock off mode as well |
| 02:11.26 | Bounty | but it does not seem to bother anyone, because its not a serious mode |
| 02:11.28 | Bounty | just fun |
| 02:11.30 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 02:11.31 | DeadZergling | just to me, for a mode to be worth having |
| 02:11.37 | DeadZergling | it has to have a truly new dynamic to it |
| 02:12.05 | Bounty | so more than a vast difference in existing game variables/mechanics |
| 02:12.06 | Bounty | right? |
| 02:12.11 | Bounty | a NEW mechanic |
| 02:12.18 | DeadZergling | yep |
| 02:12.28 | DeadZergling | health/armor alone wouldn't be enough for that |
| 02:12.39 | DeadZergling | I'll keep that in the back of my mind a bit, see if I think of anything |
| 02:12.42 | Bounty | this tempts me to create the mod option |
| 02:12.49 | Bounty | again, like in UT |
| 02:12.56 | Bounty | you can apply mods to any game mode |
| 02:12.59 | DeadZergling | oh, maybe fun item powerups |
| 02:13.09 | Bounty | that would make sense |
| 02:13.12 | Bounty | since this is based off mario kart |
| 02:13.33 | DeadZergling | like Tessera Damage (anything above triple is just icing anyways, lol) |
| 02:13.42 | Bounty | Tessera damage would be x24 |
| 02:13.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:13.51 | DeadZergling | Super Star which makes you invuln and murderous to the touch |
| 02:14.02 | DeadZergling | shit like that |
| 02:14.08 | Bounty | Yeah, I gotcha |
| 02:14.10 | Bounty | hmm |
| 02:14.24 | Bounty | can't say I will definitely add something like that but it is an interesting thought |
| 02:14.34 | DeadZergling | it would add a new fun element |
| 02:14.36 | Bounty | the mode itself is just chaos |
| 02:14.44 | Bounty | and less skill based |
| 02:14.56 | Bounty | so powerups are not a big hindrance |
| 02:15.35 | Bounty | Good stuff, look at you being all helpful |
| 02:15.37 | Bounty | =P |
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| 02:23.21 | DeadZergling | I usually am helpful to those who actually ask about it and I have a clue about the subject |
| 02:23.29 | DeadZergling | I'm just typically more pessimistic about everything |
| 02:26.19 | Bounty | I THINK i am a pessimist |
| 02:26.28 | Bounty | depends on the subject |
| 02:30.39 | DeadZergling | another fun mode would be one where the gravity goes insane periodically |
| 02:30.54 | DeadZergling | could be playing on the floor, the front wall, the back wall, the left wall, the right wall, or the ceiling |
| 02:31.08 | DeadZergling | would need a special level just for this probably |
| 02:31.39 | DeadZergling | that would be an ass ton of work though I imagine |
| 02:32.35 | DeadZergling | wow, 215 people actually decided they needed this: http://www.fiverr.com/funnymad/write-your-message-on-my-big-belly-and-dancing-my-jungle-dance?context=best_match&context_type=rating |
| 02:44.24 | Bounty | not a bad idea |
| 02:44.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:44.26 | DeadZergling | all right, well time for me to drive home anywho, laters all |
| 03:24.56 | Bounty | peow |
| 03:25.22 | Bounty | well, this is quite a boring day/night |
| 03:50.08 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/7tEGX.jpg |
| 03:50.50 | Ahli | animated cooldown image with bubbles as progress |
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| 06:41.11 | Bounty | Lovely, Severe Thunderstorm Warning and Tornado Watch |
| 06:46.48 | Merc | summer weather |
| 06:49.35 | Merc | also you sneaky fuck, I saw your video |
| 06:50.34 | Merc | did anyone ever make a starcraft ghost mod btw? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/28ilhn/i_still_wish_we_got_to_play_starcraft_ghost/ |
| 06:50.48 | Merc | or is that something blizzard would take down |
| 06:53.32 | Bounty | did you like it Merc? |
| 06:53.40 | Bounty | you son of a bitch face |
| 06:53.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:53.55 | Bounty | I posted it on reddit, fingers crossed |
| 06:53.58 | Bounty | 5 upvotes so far |
| 06:54.10 | Merc | seems to be gaining traction |
| 06:54.27 | Bounty | I only hope that I can achieve a fraction of what you did |
| 06:54.39 | Bounty | Just want people to know this game exists |
| 06:54.45 | Merc | thing is, there's no.. controversy |
| 06:54.52 | Bounty | hmm? |
| 06:54.57 | Merc | the title doesn't tickle anyone's ego |
| 06:55.04 | Merc | it just says "here's a bunch of stuff" |
| 06:55.18 | Bounty | Actually |
| 06:55.27 | Bounty | did you see the reddit post? |
| 06:55.30 | Merc | yes |
| 06:55.33 | Bounty | That was what I was going for |
| 06:55.58 | Merc | I'm afraid you're playing the reddit game wrong my friend |
| 06:56.00 | Bounty | Showing what you SHOULD expect fro the Arcade |
| 06:56.06 | Bounty | I don't doubt it |
| 06:56.20 | Bounty | I can only plead ignorance in this area |
| 06:56.25 | Merc | "what you should expect from the arcade" is good though, I'll admit that |
| 06:56.35 | Bounty | yeah |
| 06:56.39 | Merc | but it might be too subtle |
| 06:56.41 | Bounty | I thought it would get attention |
| 06:56.42 | Bounty | like |
| 06:56.46 | Bounty | THIS is the standard |
| 06:56.53 | Bounty | even though there are other maps just as good |
| 06:57.04 | Merc | yea |
| 06:57.09 | Merc | anyway my point was |
| 06:57.12 | Merc | and I guess you did cover it |
| 06:57.15 | Merc | but still |
| 06:57.34 | Merc | you want to cover a few bases to tickle people's ego, sort of |
| 06:57.35 | Bounty | eh I doubt I covered it all |
| 06:57.40 | Bounty | this is like my 3rd reddit post |
| 06:57.50 | Bounty | Would be amazing if I nailed it |
| 06:58.02 | Bounty | which I'm sure I did not, just trying atm |
| 06:58.04 | Merc | if you only would have posted "this is the new features of tessera" |
| 06:58.08 | Bounty | as I have no experience in this area |
| 06:58.20 | Bounty | that is lame |
| 06:58.33 | Merc | it would have been buried. Nobody gives a fuck since, well, what is tessera? |
| 06:58.39 | Bounty | yeah |
| 06:58.41 | Bounty | exactly |
| 06:58.46 | Bounty | I wanted to give a sense of... |
| 06:58.49 | Merc | nobody has any relationship with tessera yet |
| 06:58.54 | Bounty | Here is my Ego |
| 06:58.58 | Bounty | come look |
| 06:59.01 | Bounty | and judge |
| 06:59.05 | Merc | but if you throw in stuff that people care about, that they know about, that they WANT to talk about |
| 06:59.08 | Bounty | if that makes sense? |
| 06:59.10 | Merc | then you're getting ther |
| 06:59.38 | Merc | yeah, presenting your own ego might be good too, the mob likes that if you do it well |
| 06:59.40 | Bounty | Yeah that is why I went with the expectation of the arcade |
| 06:59.44 | Merc | but, still a bit subtle |
| 06:59.55 | Bounty | what would you suggest? |
| 06:59.58 | Bounty | for future reference |
| 07:00.03 | Merc | more in your face, tbh |
| 07:00.05 | Bounty | lets use this post as the example |
| 07:00.11 | Bounty | what would you do |
| 07:00.40 | Merc | I would have removed the "[Tessera] v1.5 Video." in front |
| 07:03.59 | Bounty | Alright |
| 07:03.59 | Bounty | continue |
| 07:03.59 | Bounty | taking notes here |
| 07:04.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:04.00 | Merc | I dont think a "here's a slight increase in something" is interesting enough |
| 07:04.00 | Merc | and it removes the curiosity element |
| 07:04.00 | Merc | you just say "this is what this link is" instead of "click me I am interesting!" |
| 07:04.00 | Bounty | That is a good point |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | the whole, this is X version of Y game |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | suggests this has been posted bef ore |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | right? |
| 07:04.01 | Merc | yep |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | good thinking |
| 07:04.01 | Merc | imagine if someone knew about tessera from before, someone played it |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | interesting |
| 07:04.01 | Merc | they miht recognize it from the thumbnail |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | never thought of it this deeply really |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | fuck I should have just let you do it again |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:04.01 | Merc | they see the title and go "oh yeah its tessera, thought so" |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | Merc |
| 07:04.01 | Merc | more chance of them moving on and not going in there |
| 07:04.01 | Bounty | what do you think of the video at least? |
| 07:04.02 | Merc | it was alright, think the idea deserved more work, seemed a bit rushed |
| 07:04.24 | Bounty | I am not sure how, it was definitely not rushed |
| 07:04.26 | Merc | now imagine if the title was something like "This is the kind of level you should expect from games on the Arcade" |
| 07:04.34 | Bounty | but that is fine |
| 07:04.38 | Merc | you made it in a few days = it was rushed ;p |
| 07:07.30 | Bounty | I made it today |
| 07:07.30 | Bounty | after recording for the last few days |
| 07:07.30 | Bounty | and having the vision in my head |
| 07:07.30 | Merc | = a few days |
| 07:07.30 | Merc | recording is part of the process |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | its hard to get footage when nobody plays your game lol |
| 07:07.31 | Merc | but, imagine if the title was something like "This is the kind of level you should expect from games on the Arcade" |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | yeah but |
| 07:07.31 | Merc | people go "hey I think I recognize that thumbnail" |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | I can't post something like That |
| 07:07.31 | Merc | they go "oh really this better be good" |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | I made the game |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | that is too much |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | on the ego side |
| 07:07.31 | Merc | maybe, or maybe you could take it further |
| 07:07.32 | Merc | I wanted you to do that AMA after I posted the video remember :p |
| 07:07.32 | Merc | the ego |
| 07:07.32 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:07.32 | Merc | oh well nvm, it would be a gamble |
| 07:07.32 | Bounty | I don't need people to think I have a massive ego |
| 07:07.32 | DeadZergling | The more I hear about all this, the more I know how fucked I am in a popularity contest, lol |
| 07:07.32 | Merc | and that title might have been better from a different source |
| 07:07.32 | Bounty | wait |
| 07:07.38 | Bounty | where the fuck did you come from DeadZergling |
| 07:07.39 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:07.40 | Bounty | literally |
| 07:07.50 | DeadZergling | been here the whole time? |
| 07:07.50 | Merc | it's not a popularity contest, it's about manipulating mobs |
| 07:08.01 | Bounty | I must have been AFK when you rejoined the IRC after leaving to go home from work |
| 07:08.20 | Bounty | but what I am curious of Merc |
| 07:08.25 | Merc | ego is not only your own ego, it's about exploiting the egos out there |
| 07:08.27 | Bounty | is what you would rate the video |
| 07:08.30 | Bounty | benefits and cons |
| 07:08.33 | DeadZergling | only way I know how to manipulate mobs is to get them all pissed off at me |
| 07:08.40 | Bounty | err, pros is probably a better term |
| 07:08.49 | Merc | people want to show that they know stuff about the arcade, about you, about the game, about the editor |
| 07:09.05 | Merc | they want to give their opinion, they just need a good excuse |
| 07:10.20 | Merc | I think your "Bounty Presents" fade-in could be better |
| 07:10.28 | Merc | or, at least different |
| 07:11.04 | Merc | takes 11 seconds before we actually get to see anything in a 1.24 video |
| 07:11.27 | Merc | but I get that you went with the music meter |
| 07:12.30 | Merc | I would have included some reactions or whatever from chat as well too maybe |
| 07:12.48 | Merc | shwo people having fun or whatever, just not make it all forced |
| 07:13.19 | Bounty | you know I was thinking of having a personal logo Merc |
| 07:13.36 | Bounty | and a personal intro video with said logo |
| 07:14.10 | Bounty | but yeah, this video is literally my first attempt as trying to achieve at least 70% of what is in my head |
| 07:14.23 | Bounty | I tried it once before but was an in game cutscene lol |
| 07:14.29 | Merc | check the intro here for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvdtnWPD84Q |
| 07:14.34 | Merc | 5 seconds max |
| 07:14.50 | Merc | and it's only that long because he needs to show off the sponsor |
| 07:14.51 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:14.56 | Bounty | I know I fucked up with the intro |
| 07:15.03 | Bounty | *sad face* |
| 07:15.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:15.09 | Merc | :p |
| 07:15.13 | DeadZergling | Wonder how much it'd cost to hire someone to make my map popular, lol |
| 07:15.17 | Merc | remember I am not an expert |
| 07:15.22 | Merc | I am just a big ego with a big mouth |
| 07:15.24 | Bounty | nah Merc |
| 07:15.26 | Bounty | no need to be |
| 07:15.29 | Bounty | this is common sense |
| 07:15.44 | Bounty | I knew it was too long |
| 07:15.50 | Bounty | but ignored it lol |
| 07:16.04 | DeadZergling | for it being such a common sense, I sure don't have any, lol |
| 07:16.46 | DeadZergling | most this stuff is mysterious and black magic to me :P |
| 07:16.55 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 07:17.03 | Bounty | you ready for the point test? |
| 07:17.10 | DeadZergling | ??? |
| 07:17.12 | Bounty | for the Bounty test* |
| 07:17.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:17.29 | DeadZergling | I don't think I can handle drinking a liter of hard alcohol man |
| 07:17.31 | Bounty | it is very simple |
| 07:17.49 | Bounty | at what point do you connect with this character in this scene |
| 07:17.51 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u4Fufl-tdE |
| 07:18.15 | Bounty | please watch it all, and answer honestly |
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| 07:21.24 | Bounty | forgive me btw |
| 07:21.27 | Bounty | I should have set this up |
| 07:21.40 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, don't really connect with him at all until 1:40 |
| 07:21.57 | Bounty | Mozart is his competition and he is plotting to kill him |
| 07:22.13 | Bounty | ok let me go that point |
| 07:22.14 | Bounty | sec |
| 07:22.36 | DeadZergling | is where he talks about just once getting to laugh at God |
| 07:22.38 | Bounty | ah |
| 07:22.40 | Bounty | I see |
| 07:22.58 | Bounty | I connect with the section before thta |
| 07:23.23 | Bounty | 1:16 |
| 07:23.35 | Bounty | until the point you mentioned |
| 07:23.40 | Merc | "and god for once forced to listen" |
| 07:23.44 | Merc | there's a pity there |
| 07:24.00 | Merc | you can sort of sympathize |
| 07:24.54 | Bounty | 1:16 on is what I relate to |
| 07:25.08 | Bounty | I think any creator can relate to part of that |
| 07:25.56 | Merc | I dunno, context makes it seem off :p |
| 07:26.34 | Bounty | he was Mozarts inferior |
| 07:26.50 | DeadZergling | I think I got a new project for you Bounty |
| 07:26.54 | DeadZergling | come up with a better test |
| 07:27.01 | Bounty | all he wanted to do was create great music |
| 07:27.09 | Bounty | and then Mozart came |
| 07:27.15 | Bounty | in that scene |
| 07:27.31 | Bounty | his plan was to kill Mozart |
| 07:27.35 | Bounty | but before killing him |
| 07:27.42 | Bounty | he would get the Requiem |
| 07:27.48 | Bounty | also |
| 07:28.10 | Bounty | I am speaking of the Requiem that we ALL know |
| 07:28.17 | Bounty | Dies Irae etc |
| 07:28.21 | Merc | how do you "get the requiem" |
| 07:28.33 | Bounty | you poison Mozart |
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| 07:28.37 | Bounty | get the music |
| 07:28.44 | Merc | so steal his work? |
| 07:28.46 | Bounty | and perform it as your own |
| 07:28.47 | Bounty | yes |
| 07:28.50 | Bounty | in the movie |
| 07:29.03 | Bounty | before Mozarts death |
| 07:29.14 | Bounty | he approaches him as a masked ambassador |
| 07:29.23 | Bounty | asking for a requiem of the dead |
| 07:29.26 | Bounty | honestly |
| 07:29.30 | Merc | been forever since I saw that movie |
| 07:29.32 | Bounty | if you have not seen this movie |
| 07:29.34 | Bounty | watch it |
| 07:29.38 | Bounty | watch it again lol |
| 07:29.43 | Bounty | It really does hold up |
| 07:29.45 | Merc | I just might |
| 07:29.55 | Bounty | I think most of us |
| 07:30.23 | DeadZergling | seems a fucked up movie no matter how you look at it |
| 07:30.26 | Bounty | relate to Mozart and Salleari |
| 07:30.34 | Bounty | not really |
| 07:30.48 | DeadZergling | Don't do too well, because some fucktard will kill you for doing too well |
| 07:30.58 | DeadZergling | If someone else does better than you, poison them and steal their work |
| 07:31.03 | Bounty | You relate to Mozart for being out of your fucking mind |
| 07:31.22 | Merc | envy, passion |
| 07:31.23 | Bounty | going against the status quo |
| 07:31.24 | Merc | basic instincts |
| 07:31.41 | Bounty | and then you have Salleari |
| 07:31.43 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:31.52 | Bounty | exactly |
| 07:32.03 | Bounty | ironically |
| 07:32.11 | Merc | egos! |
| 07:32.22 | Bounty | at the end Mozart praises Salleari |
| 07:32.23 | Bounty | and admits his respect |
| 07:32.38 | Bounty | I live my life by this movie lol |
| 07:32.55 | DeadZergling | I think I liked you better as Socialist Bounty |
| 07:33.01 | Merc | dude spoiler alert |
| 07:33.15 | Bounty | lol oh cmon Merc |
| 07:33.23 | Bounty | this shit was made a looong time ago |
| 07:33.24 | Bounty | :) |
| 07:33.40 | Bounty | I am not a socialist DeadZergling |
| 07:33.54 | Bounty | Socialism has the potentially to lead to tyranny |
| 07:34.13 | Bounty | just a stepping stone |
| 07:34.49 | Merc | every system can/will be exploited |
| 07:34.55 | Bounty | anyone who refers to themselves via any designated group is a fool |
| 07:35.13 | Merc | you mean idealist |
| 07:35.14 | Merc | :p |
| 07:35.42 | Bounty | I refer to folks who refer to themselves as democratic, republicans or socialists etc |
| 07:35.59 | Bounty | and yes, at the moment no system is beyond exploitation |
| 07:36.18 | Bounty | does not mean one cannot be developed that is essentially perfect |
| 07:36.20 | Bounty | but |
| 07:36.26 | Bounty | you sons of bitches |
| 07:36.26 | DeadZergling | ah, an idealist as well I see |
| 07:36.27 | Merc | fools, idealists, same stuff I guess |
| 07:36.34 | DeadZergling | you believe a fair system exists |
| 07:36.42 | Bounty | no |
| 07:36.49 | Bounty | it does not |
| 07:36.59 | Bounty | depends on how ones defines exists |
| 07:37.13 | Bounty | exists vs possible |
| 07:37.48 | Merc | I imagine dz giggling now at his master trole abilities |
| 07:38.16 | DeadZergling | unless you replace humans with something else entirely, human selfishness will usurp any fairness |
| 07:38.26 | DeadZergling | in favor of preserving their own type |
| 07:38.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:38.44 | Bounty | do we really need to go into this again? |
| 07:38.58 | DeadZergling | Not particularly, but we seem to be all the same |
| 07:39.04 | Bounty | If greed and selfishness is actually natural, GG |
| 07:39.06 | Bounty | its already over |
| 07:39.14 | Merc | DeadZergling seems to be a fan of the AI government |
| 07:39.16 | Bounty | but its not |
| 07:39.24 | Merc | machine overlords |
| 07:39.46 | Bounty | You know |
| 07:39.54 | Bounty | I will admit maybe I am one of the few |
| 07:40.03 | DeadZergling | not particularly, they will be programmed by humans |
| 07:40.06 | Bounty | that sees his greed as a flaw needed to be fixed |
| 07:40.11 | Bounty | and I know why it is there |
| 07:40.14 | DeadZergling | and be flawed all the same, just at faster speeds |
| 07:40.47 | Merc | after the singularity event, they would be able to program themselves |
| 07:40.50 | Merc | and do a proper job |
| 07:40.53 | Bounty | The people who change the word are the ones who people deem as crazy or rebels |
| 07:41.05 | Bounty | MErc |
| 07:41.13 | Bounty | If we reach that point |
| 07:41.20 | Bounty | we SHOULD be good to go |
| 07:41.25 | Merc | If? it seems inevitable |
| 07:41.31 | Bounty | unless something goes horribly wrong |
| 07:41.41 | DeadZergling | *when |
| 07:41.44 | Bounty | no its not inevitable |
| 07:42.17 | Bounty | based on human society at this time |
| 07:42.19 | Bounty | it is not |
| 07:42.39 | Bounty | ironically |
| 07:42.50 | Merc | we've never been more technologically advanced, and we've never been advancing faster technologically |
| 07:42.58 | Bounty | the greatest destroyer of the human race could very well be the United States |
| 07:43.25 | Merc | hiccups |
| 07:43.26 | Bounty | You know |
| 07:43.39 | Bounty | Michio Kaku spoke of the 3 types of civilzations |
| 07:43.48 | Bounty | I'm sure you heard it before |
| 07:44.10 | Merc | Kardashev scales? |
| 07:44.12 | Bounty | and he was most afraid of our transition from type 0 to type 1 |
| 07:44.16 | Merc | or levels |
| 07:44.23 | Bounty | Type 1 is Planetary |
| 07:44.30 | Merc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale |
| 07:44.34 | Bounty | but he described us as type 0 |
| 07:44.56 | Bounty | type 2 is solitary |
| 07:45.05 | Merc | harvesting the earth, harvesting the sun, harvesting the galaxy |
| 07:45.06 | Bounty | harvesting stars |
| 07:45.08 | Merc | something like that |
| 07:45.13 | Bounty | Typoe 3 is galactic |
| 07:45.19 | Bounty | type* |
| 07:45.27 | Bounty | which as he describes |
| 07:45.33 | Bounty | is pretty much immortal |
| 07:46.02 | DeadZergling | is that when we become floating orbs of energy people? |
| 07:46.04 | Bounty | We JUST started harvesting the sun lol |
| 07:46.19 | Merc | once we figure out to properly harvest the sun's rays, our available energy will skyrocket |
| 07:46.34 | Bounty | that or |
| 07:46.41 | Bounty | true fusion |
| 07:47.03 | Bounty | how to fuse hydrogen into helium |
| 07:47.05 | DeadZergling | I have it, we generate enough atmosphere that any sunlight that gets in can't possibly get out |
| 07:47.05 | Merc | sure |
| 07:47.06 | Bounty | like the sun |
| 07:47.10 | DeadZergling | be enough energy for everyone! |
| 07:47.10 | Bounty | would be pretty nice |
| 07:47.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:47.12 | Merc | but the sun seems more realistic at this point |
| 07:47.15 | Merc | it's there already |
| 07:47.23 | Bounty | of course |
| 07:47.24 | Merc | cold fusion is still a theory |
| 07:47.27 | Bounty | but |
| 07:47.34 | Merc | have you read Abundance? |
| 07:47.38 | Bounty | there is no theory when it comes to fusion |
| 07:47.46 | Bounty | I think the problem is |
| 07:47.58 | Bounty | and this is just a bounty theory lol |
| 07:48.13 | Bounty | ok |
| 07:48.14 | Bounty | so |
| 07:48.22 | Bounty | lets imagine ourselves as a young child |
| 07:48.24 | Bounty | today |
| 07:48.32 | Bounty | looking at the world |
| 07:48.38 | Bounty | What would you rather be |
| 07:48.50 | Bounty | an Actor/Singer or a Scientist? |
| 07:48.57 | DeadZergling | Elmo |
| 07:49.12 | Bounty | this plays to your greed thing DeadZergling |
| 07:49.14 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:49.33 | DeadZergling | just attributing all sorts of nice things to me huh |
| 07:49.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:49.44 | DeadZergling | most negative person ever in IRC, and now the cause behind all human greed |
| 07:49.50 | Bounty | I don't even know how the hell we got to this point |
| 07:49.56 | Bounty | gotta love it |
| 07:50.04 | Bounty | learning to post on reddit |
| 07:50.06 | Bounty | to this |
| 07:50.08 | Merc | if you haven't read this book you really should: http://www.diamandis.com/abundance/ |
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| 07:50.43 | Bounty | I really try not to read something someone else wrote |
| 07:50.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:51.01 | Bounty | idk if that makes sense? |
| 07:51.01 | Merc | you're doing it now m8 |
| 07:51.14 | Bounty | bc when it comes to books |
| 07:51.26 | Bounty | at this point it is a circular argument |
| 07:51.29 | Bounty | they all make sense |
| 07:51.39 | Merc | are you afraid your mind is too open |
| 07:51.46 | DeadZergling | But I make the most sense |
| 07:51.47 | Merc | dont want anyone putting things in it |
| 07:51.48 | Bounty | yeah I know Merc but I prefer the discussion be with people |
| 07:51.51 | Bounty | now |
| 07:51.52 | DeadZergling | So we can end the discussion here |
| 07:52.00 | DeadZergling | and celebrate my senseness |
| 07:52.01 | Bounty | again, does that make sense? |
| 07:52.09 | Merc | it makes sense in a way |
| 07:52.10 | Bounty | construct your own opinion and argument |
| 07:52.12 | Merc | it's silly though |
| 07:52.20 | Merc | how do you construct your opinion and arguments |
| 07:52.24 | Bounty | I'm sure I'm wrong on some level ol |
| 07:52.24 | Merc | where do you get your information |
| 07:52.30 | Bounty | I just observe |
| 07:52.43 | Merc | observe what |
| 07:52.44 | DeadZergling | You don't need to read someone else's opinion to have an opinion on things, Merc |
| 07:52.47 | DeadZergling | that is just silly |
| 07:52.55 | Merc | I know |
| 07:53.13 | Merc | but books arent always opinions |
| 07:53.15 | Bounty | of course DeadZergling |
| 07:53.25 | Merc | I was being faceticious or whatever |
| 07:53.26 | Bounty | Books are good sources of knowledge for the most part |
| 07:53.48 | Merc | Terry Pratchett — 'The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.' |
| 07:53.51 | Bounty | but, I don't think they should be an argument in themselves |
| 07:54.15 | Bounty | ah |
| 07:54.17 | Bounty | quote wars? |
| 07:54.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:54.21 | Merc | using a book as an argument would be a fallacy anyway |
| 07:54.31 | Bounty | ok |
| 07:54.33 | Bounty | Merc |
| 07:54.36 | Bounty | let me fix this |
| 07:54.51 | Bounty | I have know teachings in this area, same as the editor |
| 07:54.58 | Bounty | I treat them both the same |
| 07:55.04 | DeadZergling | That's why it is much better to be ignorant and paranoid like me |
| 07:55.07 | Bounty | I observe and make decisions |
| 07:55.14 | DeadZergling | no one easily shoves ideas into this mind! |
| 07:55.19 | Merc | lol |
| 07:55.21 | Bounty | I watch news |
| 07:55.26 | Bounty | and they are clearly all full of shit |
| 07:55.35 | Bounty | I watch CSPAN |
| 07:55.38 | Bounty | congress |
| 07:55.40 | Bounty | and the senate |
| 07:55.46 | Bounty | and they are full of shit |
| 07:55.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:55.55 | Bounty | So I am going based on stuff like that |
| 07:56.09 | Bounty | I am most likely wrong of course |
| 07:56.20 | Bounty | just going based on observations |
| 07:57.11 | DeadZergling | Sorry Bounty, I am trying to actually work on my project tonight |
| 07:57.16 | DeadZergling | Too much work following your logic |
| 07:57.22 | DeadZergling | I need to /quit for the night |
| 07:57.36 | Merc | but why don't books fall into the "observations" category |
| 07:57.43 | DeadZergling | See you tomorrow, lol |
| 07:57.46 | Merc | you're just reading someone else's observations |
| 07:57.51 | Merc | alright gn8 m8 |
| 07:57.55 | DeadZergling | Merc, I'll have the guns done soonish |
| 07:58.02 | DeadZergling | so we can update that nice little thing you made me |
| 07:58.08 | Merc | sure thing |
| 07:58.14 | DeadZergling | night :) |
| 07:59.17 | Merc | either way it's a good book, worth a read |
| 07:59.30 | Merc | a nice counterpoint to the endless negativity from the news |
| 08:00.09 | Bounty | also |
| 08:00.21 | Bounty | and I wish DeadZergling stuck around for this part |
| 08:00.40 | Bounty | I will admit I get most of my philosophy from the bottom |
| 08:01.03 | Bounty | In that you need only work in a retail environment that constantly switches management |
| 08:01.15 | Bounty | To see the true good |
| 08:01.19 | Bounty | and true evil |
| 08:01.22 | Bounty | IMO |
| 08:01.38 | Merc | not sure if I follow |
| 08:01.46 | Bounty | and I projected that philosophy to the top |
| 08:02.01 | Bounty | Good people in power will do good, and reward the good |
| 08:02.21 | Bounty | Evil people in power, tend to eliminate those they do not know and replace them with those they do |
| 08:02.40 | Bounty | You can see this in politics |
| 08:02.45 | Merc | now you're gonna have to define evil |
| 08:02.57 | Bounty | that is a good question honestly |
| 08:03.00 | Bounty | and I cannot answer it |
| 08:03.17 | Merc | then you should stop using "evil" as a categorization if you cant define it :p |
| 08:03.40 | Merc | my associations with it take over when you use it as a description |
| 08:03.43 | Bounty | why does the word evil exist? |
| 08:03.49 | Bounty | also |
| 08:03.59 | Bounty | based on what I said previously |
| 08:04.04 | Bounty | would you disagree? |
| 08:04.53 | Merc | well its a heavily loaded word |
| 08:04.59 | Bounty | no |
| 08:05.05 | Bounty | that is not what I said |
| 08:05.09 | Bounty | take the two examples I gave |
| 08:05.15 | Bounty | would you place the same labels? |
| 08:05.50 | Merc | an evil person could be one who are just out to do mischief, ruin people's lives because it makes them feel good |
| 08:06.05 | Merc | or someone who only looks out for himself |
| 08:06.12 | Bounty | would you place the same labels, given those two descriptions of people |
| 08:06.21 | Merc | it's an inprecise label |
| 08:06.46 | Bounty | I think not |
| 08:06.47 | Merc | bad middle management people on "the bottom" can be petty |
| 08:07.02 | Bounty | I have seen these people let go folk who have stolen money from the company |
| 08:07.17 | Bounty | by let go |
| 08:07.26 | Merc | but yeah, unnecessary digression I guess |
| 08:07.27 | Bounty | I mean move them to a diff department |
| 08:07.49 | Bounty | Here is how I define evil and good |
| 08:08.06 | Bounty | Judging based on what someone has done and their skills = good |
| 08:08.12 | Bounty | Judging based on Personality = evil |
| 08:08.24 | Bounty | even if you combine the latter with the former |
| 08:08.29 | Bounty | it is still evil |
| 08:08.47 | Merc | judging someone based on their personality is evil? |
| 08:09.04 | Bounty | in a job market? yes |
| 08:09.20 | Bounty | unless you're sales of course |
| 08:09.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:09.50 | Merc | if I was in management |
| 08:10.09 | Merc | and I had two equally qualified people applying for the same job |
| 08:10.23 | Merc | I would pick the one whose personality would fit best with the existing team |
| 08:10.31 | Bounty | heh |
| 08:10.45 | Bounty | that is an impossible question |
| 08:11.00 | Bounty | because it lacks the potential of a sociopath |
| 08:11.16 | Bounty | or a narcissist |
| 08:11.24 | Merc | what |
| 08:11.57 | Bounty | a sociopath or narcissist will manipulate the situation |
| 08:12.04 | Merc | what I'm saying is, I'd pick the one whose personality I liked best |
| 08:12.10 | Bounty | and will make you perceive them as quite charming |
| 08:12.17 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:12.21 | Merc | narcissists in job interviews tend to do very well |
| 08:12.21 | Bounty | and what I'm saying is |
| 08:12.31 | Bounty | that is the wrong choice |
| 08:12.32 | Merc | since they're not afraid to brag |
| 08:12.51 | Bounty | ok well lets assume everyone before us has used that method |
| 08:13.01 | Bounty | lets see how the world turns out |
| 08:13.03 | Bounty | :) |
| 08:13.09 | Merc | I see the flaw of the method, I just dont see how it's evil |
| 08:13.36 | Bounty | sadly the only way to see who is right or wrong in this situation is to wait |
| 08:13.38 | Merc | how can it be evil to act in the best interest of everyone |
| 08:13.52 | Bounty | narcissists or sociopaths do not do that |
| 08:14.08 | Bounty | it is all about them |
| 08:14.14 | Bounty | and their goals |
| 08:14.23 | Bounty | to an extreme |
| 08:14.45 | Bounty | which is why you always here |
| 08:14.47 | Merc | here I was imagining the narcisisst or sociopath in the interviewee chair |
| 08:14.58 | Merc | but I guess it would be more realistic to have them in the management chair |
| 08:15.02 | Bounty | You are most likely to find a sociopath up the corporate ladder than anyone else |
| 08:15.15 | Bounty | yep |
| 08:15.29 | Merc | think I read somewhere that a huge amount of CEOs have psychopathic tendencies |
| 08:15.34 | Bounty | It really is an interesting situation lol |
| 08:15.43 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 08:15.48 | Merc | all in all they make excellent management |
| 08:15.58 | Bounty | of course the ydo |
| 08:16.09 | Bounty | but |
| 08:16.10 | Merc | lacking empathy must be a huge plus |
| 08:16.21 | Bounty | if you think about is as us as a human race |
| 08:16.25 | Bounty | lets see how this turns out |
| 08:16.27 | Merc | they can act rationally when downsizing |
| 08:16.38 | Merc | in the best of the company |
| 08:16.54 | Bounty | heh |
| 08:17.04 | Bounty | again |
| 08:17.06 | Merc | this is how the human race has been since the dawn of time though |
| 08:17.08 | Bounty | they have no empathy |
| 08:17.14 | Bounty | trust me when I say this |
| 08:17.18 | Bounty | it is building up |
| 08:17.30 | Bounty | hence the riots all over the world in the last decade |
| 08:17.35 | Bounty | it will only continue |
| 08:17.52 | Bounty | and it will spread to the major countries |
| 08:17.58 | Bounty | in theory |
| 08:18.00 | Merc | narcissists and sociopaths have always been in the top though |
| 08:18.07 | Bounty | nope |
| 08:18.12 | Bounty | not true |
| 08:18.13 | Merc | how did kings become kings |
| 08:18.23 | Bounty | yes but we have an intermission |
| 08:18.23 | Merc | how did tribal leaders become tribal leaders |
| 08:18.32 | Bounty | specifically in america |
| 08:18.36 | Bounty | of no kings |
| 08:18.50 | Bounty | capitalism in its early days |
| 08:18.55 | Bounty | which is damn good lol |
| 08:18.59 | Merc | the capitalist system is just the feudal system in a new box |
| 08:19.00 | Bounty | innovation |
| 08:19.15 | Bounty | competition |
| 08:19.22 | Bounty | because everyone is equal |
| 08:19.23 | Merc | but yeah, the system is being exploited |
| 08:19.33 | Bounty | well its not even that |
| 08:19.41 | Bounty | its just that competition on a long enough time line |
| 08:19.43 | Merc | it allows nepotism to flourish |
| 08:19.49 | Bounty | someone will own most of the monopoly board |
| 08:19.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster sc2println (~flo@2a02:810d:1680:242c:f66d:4ff:fe93:2e29) |
| 08:19.55 | Bounty | but when you first start playing |
| 08:20.02 | Bounty | its all about thinking |
| 08:20.07 | Bounty | innovating |
| 08:20.12 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 08:20.33 | Bounty | again, this is why none of the "ism" systems work lol |
| 08:20.53 | Bounty | anytime I hear an "ism" I stop listeing |
| 08:21.10 | Bounty | nobody could have predicted the society we have now |
| 08:21.12 | Bounty | the internet |
| 08:21.17 | Bounty | smart phones |
| 08:21.20 | Bounty | everything |
| 08:22.32 | Merc | yeah capitalism is a great system to move us forward |
| 08:22.49 | Merc | towards abundance |
| 08:23.01 | Merc | which is the name of a book you should read |
| 08:23.02 | Merc | :D |
| 08:23.18 | Merc | but in every system, even in the early days of it, you have someone who will exploit it |
| 08:23.21 | Merc | like Rockefeller |
| 08:23.41 | Bounty | link me it again Merc |
| 08:23.50 | Bounty | I'll give it a go |
| 08:23.57 | Merc | http://www.abundancethebook.com/ |
| 08:24.22 | Bounty | thanks |
| 08:24.32 | Bounty | but yeah, I sense you agree with me |
| 08:24.37 | Bounty | capitalism |
| 08:24.40 | Merc | we're on the same page |
| 08:24.40 | Bounty | socialism |
| 08:24.42 | Bounty | communism |
| 08:24.47 | Bounty | all created before today |
| 08:24.58 | Bounty | the only one that has a good "idea" is communism |
| 08:25.06 | Bounty | but you can't get to that |
| 08:25.15 | Merc | communism only works if you have the resources for it |
| 08:25.17 | Bounty | without thousands of years of progress |
| 08:25.20 | Merc | the key is abundance |
| 08:25.32 | Bounty | you need a replicator |
| 08:25.36 | Bounty | grr |
| 08:25.38 | Bounty | what was is called |
| 08:25.57 | Merc | I think that's what it's called |
| 08:25.59 | Bounty | ribosomes |
| 08:26.00 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:26.09 | Bounty | natures replicator |
| 08:26.16 | Bounty | again |
| 08:26.23 | Bounty | that is a LOOONG way off |
| 08:26.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:26.44 | Merc | first, we need an abundance of energy and water |
| 08:26.45 | Bounty | probably tens of thousands of years after we are gone |
| 08:26.51 | Bounty | that as well |
| 08:26.56 | Bounty | so |
| 08:27.01 | Merc | you're so pessimistic |
| 08:27.01 | Bounty | first goal would be what? |
| 08:27.11 | Bounty | harvesting the energy of stars, yes? |
| 08:27.16 | Merc | harvesting the sun |
| 08:27.27 | Bounty | exactly |
| 08:27.52 | Bounty | then its just a matter of getting to the point within your culture that you can explore space |
| 08:28.01 | Bounty | before your star explodes |
| 08:28.12 | Bounty | it really is a race against time when you think about it |
| 08:28.37 | Merc | our culture getting to that point before our star explodes is inevitable |
| 08:28.46 | Bounty | nope |
| 08:28.51 | Merc | but before an asteroid pulverizes us |
| 08:28.52 | Bounty | not true |
| 08:28.55 | Merc | that's a different question |
| 08:29.08 | Bounty | you're assuming that being territorial and war like is normal |
| 08:29.15 | Bounty | and that to |
| 08:29.25 | Bounty | we could have had 1 problem |
| 08:29.39 | Bounty | that would have been solved by now if it were not for the other |
| 08:30.30 | Bounty | It makes you think |
| 08:30.39 | Bounty | I wonder how many times this has happened? |
| 08:30.46 | Bounty | Not only on this planet but through the universe |
| 08:31.13 | Merc | if time is infinite, then it has probably happened an infinite amount of times |
| 08:31.15 | Bounty | We could have achieved this state before, but thanks to time we would not know it |
| 08:31.24 | Bounty | we would see only stone |
| 08:31.48 | Bounty | so even if it is not true, I like to think that it is |
| 08:31.53 | Bounty | gives some motivation |
| 08:31.56 | Bounty | a sort of |
| 08:32.03 | Bounty | "fool me once" thing |
| 08:32.20 | Bounty | I still don |
| 08:32.23 | Bounty | grr |
| 08:32.25 | Bounty | enter FTL |
| 08:32.28 | Merc | a series of lucky strikes hit us to even let us reach this stage |
| 08:32.33 | Bounty | I still don't think time exists |
| 08:32.36 | Bounty | IMO |
| 08:32.49 | Merc | if it wasnt for that meteor, this earth might still be full of dinosaurs |
| 08:32.54 | Bounty | in the sense of the universe |
| 08:33.05 | Bounty | and the could be intelligent by now |
| 08:33.15 | Bounty | they* |
| 08:33.28 | Merc | assuming species that live long enough become intelligent |
| 08:33.41 | Bounty | hence the use of the word "could" |
| 08:33.45 | Bounty | :) |
| 08:33.47 | Merc | yea |
| 08:33.54 | Merc | I kinda doubt it tbh |
| 08:33.56 | Bounty | and if they could |
| 08:34.06 | Bounty | there is no reason to doubt it |
| 08:34.11 | Merc | intelligence is just some evolutionary advantage |
| 08:34.21 | Bounty | that is to assume you know why or how we are "intelligent" |
| 08:34.30 | Bounty | nobody knows |
| 08:35.12 | Merc | and if our definition of intelligence is even comparable to what might be out there |
| 08:35.23 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 08:35.24 | Merc | we consider ourselves intelligent because we are self aware and retain information |
| 08:35.31 | Merc | that might be a joke compared to what's out there |
| 08:35.45 | Bounty | Neil Tyson said the exact same thing you're talking about lol |
| 08:35.54 | Bounty | we're 1% away from chimps |
| 08:35.57 | Bounty | so |
| 08:36.00 | Merc | he says a lot of clever stuff |
| 08:36.03 | Bounty | 1% in the other direction |
| 08:36.15 | Bounty | its not that hes clever |
| 08:36.20 | Bounty | he is just simple |
| 08:36.23 | Bounty | in how he speaks |
| 08:36.26 | Merc | 1% in the other direction ... mozart, newton.. |
| 08:36.32 | Bounty | wrong |
| 08:36.39 | Bounty | first off |
| 08:36.46 | Merc | 2% = holy shit |
| 08:36.46 | Bounty | Mozart had symptoms of autism |
| 08:36.49 | Bounty | ironically |
| 08:36.58 | Bounty | lots of famous composers were left handed |
| 08:37.05 | Bounty | and had symptoms of autism |
| 08:37.07 | Merc | that is speculation though |
| 08:37.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:37.31 | Bounty | of course but it is reasonable |
| 08:37.35 | Bounty | with how Savants are now |
| 08:38.03 | Bounty | I've said this before |
| 08:38.13 | Bounty | I am not sure what autism is |
| 08:38.19 | Bounty | but I think it might be a gift? |
| 08:38.42 | Bounty | an attempted evolutionary advancement |
| 08:38.44 | Merc | it's an umbrella term for several different things from what I've gathered |
| 08:38.45 | Bounty | that is not yet 100% |
| 08:39.17 | Bounty | idk though but that is my theory for a lot of these things |
| 08:39.25 | Bounty | you hear about all of these "diseases" |
| 08:39.33 | Merc | the brain is a complex thingy, slight mutations might have huge consequences |
| 08:39.39 | Bounty | and these people that have them and are geniuses |
| 08:39.46 | Bounty | exactly |
| 08:40.07 | Bounty | slight mutations are a part of evolution |
| 08:40.11 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:40.23 | Bounty | so we might be living that period right now |
| 08:40.35 | Bounty | and when it completes |
| 08:40.40 | Merc | are there periods though |
| 08:40.41 | Bounty | assuming we survive as a culture |
| 08:40.45 | Merc | isn't it a constant process |
| 08:40.51 | Bounty | of course |
| 08:40.59 | Bounty | but mutations are random |
| 08:41.10 | Bounty | so when they hit, it |
| 08:41.17 | Bounty | it takes time |
| 08:41.18 | Merc | it might be sped up at this point since we're peaking when it comes to comfort and nutrition |
| 08:41.33 | Bounty | I mean that is really what mutations are evolution wise |
| 08:41.37 | Bounty | just a boost |
| 08:41.41 | Bounty | at random |
| 08:41.47 | Bounty | a push |
| 08:41.50 | Merc | a possible boost |
| 08:41.51 | Bounty | forward |
| 08:42.03 | Merc | it goes in all directions |
| 08:42.07 | Bounty | exactly |
| 08:42.12 | Bounty | that is what I am saying |
| 08:42.14 | Bounty | autism |
| 08:42.20 | Bounty | not yet 100% |
| 08:42.26 | Bounty | gives great gifts |
| 08:42.34 | Bounty | or... great nightmares |
| 08:42.41 | Bounty | again |
| 08:42.49 | Bounty | I have no idea what I am talking about |
| 08:42.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:42.59 | Merc | it's probably always been around |
| 08:43.01 | Bounty | Just connecting dots |
| 08:43.06 | Merc | always been part of the process |
| 08:43.12 | Bounty | well |
| 08:43.18 | Merc | which is a good thing |
| 08:43.18 | Bounty | at most it has been around since Mozart |
| 08:43.26 | Bounty | Mozart was known to be crazy |
| 08:43.37 | Merc | mutations that reach genius states have a higher chance of reproducing |
| 08:43.41 | Merc | mutations that are shit dont |
| 08:43.44 | Bounty | but you know |
| 08:43.45 | Merc | such is life |
| 08:43.47 | Bounty | perhaps |
| 08:43.51 | Bounty | and this is another theory |
| 08:44.12 | Bounty | Perhaps it truly is those that we think are crazy that in fact are brilliant |
| 08:44.29 | Bounty | and we are only stunting our evolutionary growth with medicaitons |
| 08:44.53 | Bounty | attempting to treat mental disorders that are what make the greats? |
| 08:45.04 | Merc | medications don't suppress genes from carrying on though |
| 08:45.19 | Merc | unless these medications hinder people from getting boners |
| 08:45.32 | Bounty | Are genes created at birth? |
| 08:45.37 | Bounty | no modications thereafter? |
| 08:45.45 | Bounty | modifications* |
| 08:45.53 | Merc | not quite sure tbh |
| 08:45.58 | Bounty | me either |
| 08:46.01 | Bounty | I was honestly asking |
| 08:46.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:46.24 | Bounty | because I would think that it would change during the course of ones life |
| 08:46.29 | Bounty | but like we just said |
| 08:46.33 | Merc | I doubt there are some sort of events where a guy is brilliant and his genes spontaneously flower |
| 08:46.34 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 08:46.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:47.19 | Bounty | I think brilliance is more common than we think |
| 08:47.26 | Bounty | just surpressed |
| 08:47.27 | Merc | it's a whole bunch of random shit that's going on |
| 08:47.35 | Bounty | but yeah |
| 08:47.42 | Bounty | nobody knows |
| 08:47.49 | Merc | and since it's frowned upon to try to guide it, we're stuck hoping for the best and applauding diversity |
| 08:47.52 | Bounty | We all have our theories lol |
| 08:48.14 | Bounty | hope is the worst of virtues |
| 08:48.19 | Bounty | imo |
| 08:48.32 | Merc | pessimism isnt much better |
| 08:48.43 | Merc | both lead to apathy |
| 08:48.46 | Bounty | of course |
| 08:48.50 | Bounty | exactly |
| 08:48.54 | Bounty | ironic isnt it? |
| 08:48.59 | Bounty | one positive |
| 08:49.01 | Bounty | one negative |
| 08:49.08 | Bounty | yet they lead to the same |
| 08:50.56 | Merc | not exactly the same, but yea |
| 08:51.54 | Bounty | eh well this was fun |
| 08:52.05 | Bounty | not leaving but just wanted to say that |
| 08:52.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:52.18 | Merc | yeah I didnt get much work done that's for sure |
| 08:52.23 | Merc | almost lunch soon, lol |
| 08:52.24 | Bounty | me either |
| 08:52.26 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:53.06 | Bounty | 11 up votes on the reddit post |
| 08:53.10 | Bounty | is that good? |
| 08:53.27 | Merc | any comments? |
| 08:53.32 | Bounty | 2 |
| 08:53.37 | Bounty | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/28j3qq/tessera_v15_video_showcasing_what_you_should/ |
| 08:54.15 | Merc | kinda what I was afraid of |
| 08:54.23 | Merc | not enough controversy |
| 08:54.28 | Bounty | oh dear |
| 08:54.38 | Merc | it's getting nods |
| 08:54.53 | Bounty | Does it really have to be controversial? |
| 08:54.58 | Bounty | I don't get it |
| 08:55.09 | Merc | thats' the wrong word |
| 08:55.18 | Merc | I no english speaker |
| 08:55.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:55.43 | Merc | anyway, it has to sort of ... inspire people to engage |
| 08:57.05 | Bounty | I guess the whole "Embrace it if you enjoy" thing is not enough |
| 08:57.32 | Merc | "plz click like" |
| 08:58.25 | Bounty | honestly |
| 08:58.29 | Bounty | if what you say holds true |
| 08:58.43 | Bounty | there is seriously something fucked up about the reddit community |
| 08:58.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:02.06 | Bounty | Anyways |
| 09:02.19 | Bounty | I could so see myself being like Salieri in Amadeus Merc lol |
| 09:02.30 | Bounty | the old version |
| 09:11.25 | Bounty | old and grumpy as fuck |
| 09:11.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:11.50 | Bounty | also Merc |
| 09:11.59 | Bounty | this is where I got the idea for that movie for Tessera from |
| 09:12.01 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCY4ryE9uFU |
| 09:12.25 | Bounty | mostly the song of course, but the scene itself as well |
| 09:12.43 | Bounty | particularly Mozarts sense of fun |
| 09:13.10 | Bounty | hence the fun feeling in the trailer |
| 09:14.22 | Bounty | song in the trailer does not start until 2:10 |
| 09:15.00 | Bounty | make sense? |
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| 09:25.44 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 09:25.57 | Bounty | you ready to contribute your volume to the video yet? |
| 09:31.26 | Bounty | well |
| 09:31.34 | Bounty | its on the front page of sc2 reddit Merc |
| 09:31.36 | Bounty | so far |
| 09:31.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:31.41 | Bounty | fingers crossed |
| 09:31.49 | Bounty | that it maintains |
| 09:34.48 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 09:55.42 | Merc | you missed out JademusSreg |
| 09:56.09 | Merc | Bounty and I solved basically every philosophical issue |
| 09:56.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:56.26 | Bounty | eh |
| 09:56.37 | Bounty | pretty much ended up with a stalemate |
| 09:56.44 | Bounty | a respectful stalement |
| 09:56.46 | Bounty | =P |
| 09:57.18 | Bounty | which I have never seen in this IRC |
| 09:57.24 | Bounty | atleast when I am involve lol |
| 09:57.55 | Bounty | Merc and JademusSreg |
| 09:58.01 | Bounty | upvote my reddit post please? |
| 09:58.13 | Merc | cheater |
| 09:58.53 | Merc | hah those comments in there |
| 09:59.15 | Merc | noone talking about "how arcade should be" |
| 09:59.24 | Bounty | not trying to cheat, just asking for help |
| 09:59.24 | Merc | just ... "looks like quake with lasers" |
| 09:59.29 | Merc | "I know what tessera means" |
| 09:59.40 | Bounty | This really is my first attempt at translating the vision in my head to video |
| 09:59.58 | Bounty | yeah I don't think a Tesserect was known by the greeks |
| 09:59.59 | Merc | btw I already upvoted when I saw it earlier |
| 10:00.11 | JademusSreg | D'aw. |
| 10:00.15 | Bounty | which I don't think anyone knows that is what the game is named after |
| 10:00.26 | Bounty | they google Tessera |
| 10:00.39 | Bounty | and assume its a tile used in a mosaic |
| 10:00.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:02.14 | Merc | tesseract is that cube inside a cube thing isnt it |
| 10:02.23 | Merc | extra dimension or whatever |
| 10:02.29 | Bounty | yeah |
| 10:02.53 | Bounty | Tessera started as this |
| 10:02.53 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3fhc3yfaddqfgb/Layout.png |
| 10:02.57 | Bounty | like 4 months ago |
| 10:02.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:03.11 | Bounty | the levels were supposed to be like that |
| 10:03.14 | Bounty | within a tesserect |
| 10:03.17 | Merc | I know that word and tetrahedron because of some weird psychich/healer whatever people I made logoes for |
| 10:03.32 | Merc | they wanted tesseracts and tetrahedrons because quantum physics or whatever bullshit they had going on |
| 10:04.34 | Bounty | I only know about Tesserects because of Carl Sagan |
| 10:04.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:04.45 | Bounty | and I really liked how they looked |
| 10:04.54 | Bounty | or at least how we would perceive them |
| 10:04.59 | Bounty | in 3 dimensions |
| 10:06.08 | JademusSreg | Merc, then they were perhaps idiots? |
| 10:06.22 | Merc | a special kind of idiots |
| 10:06.28 | JademusSreg | I jest, of course; everyone is an idiot. |
| 10:06.47 | Merc | they were idiots who paid though |
| 10:06.54 | JademusSreg | Best kind. |
| 10:07.20 | Bounty | oh shit |
| 10:07.44 | Bounty | So does that mean when you called me a creative idiot you were merely referring to me as creative JademusSreg? |
| 10:07.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:08.33 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 10:08.50 | Bounty | mmm |
| 10:09.32 | Merc | I was a creative idiot yesterday |
| 10:09.33 | Bounty | Its as if you were hovering above me and a drip of your salsa found itself to my heart |
| 10:09.51 | Merc | I couldnt figure out how to give the headhunter a proper spear |
| 10:09.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:10.09 | Merc | whichever bone I attacked the spear to, it went in all kinds of directions based on his attack animations |
| 10:10.13 | Merc | throwing it backwards etc |
| 10:10.36 | Merc | so I added several, and hid the ones that didnt work in that particular animation |
| 10:11.17 | Merc | a smart guy would have figured out how to add the spear in magical data instead or fixed the goddamn bone |
| 10:11.35 | Merc | but now I have a hunter with a bundle of sticks instead of one spear |
| 10:11.45 | Merc | but it looks like it's only one spear! |
| 10:11.48 | JademusSreg | Should definitely not make the spear part of the model. |
| 10:12.02 | Merc | :( |
| 10:12.20 | Bounty | wait you're making your own troll and spear models Merc? |
| 10:12.25 | Bounty | not using the WoW ones? |
| 10:12.27 | Merc | stealing from wow |
| 10:12.37 | JademusSreg | And should use the protoss Tempest as a reference, actor stuff and whatnot. It launches a projectile which it holds, as well. |
| 10:12.45 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/uP9ls97.jpg |
| 10:13.00 | Bounty | so whats the problem? |
| 10:13.02 | Merc | hey good point |
| 10:13.14 | Bounty | oh |
| 10:13.18 | Bounty | throwing the spear? |
| 10:13.20 | Merc | yea |
| 10:13.30 | Merc | bones were all messed up |
| 10:13.31 | Bounty | yeah I would go with what Jade said |
| 10:13.47 | Bounty | I could give a solution but it would be far less sophisticated lol |
| 10:14.12 | Merc | thing is, I also want him to use different attack animations when in melee |
| 10:14.15 | Merc | stabbing instead of throwing |
| 10:14.30 | Merc | or thrusting, whatever the word is |
| 10:14.55 | Bounty | eh thats the easy part |
| 10:15.07 | Merc | I thought so too :P |
| 10:15.08 | Bounty | syncing the projectile with the throwing is what I would worry about |
| 10:15.40 | Merc | I figured if I had the ref_weapon point on the same bone he holds the spear in |
| 10:16.03 | Merc | and made it spawn from there |
| 10:16.05 | Bounty | does the model even have a throwing animations? |
| 10:16.07 | Bounty | for spears |
| 10:16.12 | Merc | kinda |
| 10:16.18 | Merc | a throwing animation at least |
| 10:16.22 | Bounty | yeah |
| 10:16.24 | Bounty | for bombs |
| 10:16.24 | Merc | made for smaller 1h weapons or something |
| 10:16.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:16.31 | Merc | or that |
| 10:16.37 | Bounty | had the same problem when I did Gnolls VS Trolls |
| 10:16.44 | Bounty | Trolls had no bow animations |
| 10:16.48 | Bounty | =P |
| 10:16.49 | Merc | he kinda held the spear backwards when throwing |
| 10:16.53 | Merc | looked ridiculous |
| 10:17.19 | Bounty | psh |
| 10:17.46 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kfjwKQruBE |
| 10:17.50 | Bounty | 1:15 and on |
| 10:18.03 | Bounty | now THAT is ridiculous |
| 10:18.09 | Bounty | and nobody said shit |
| 10:18.10 | Bounty | rofl |
| 10:18.37 | Bounty | notice the arm that flails forward is not even the arm holding the bow |
| 10:18.42 | Bounty | haha |
| 10:18.43 | Merc | :D |
| 10:18.58 | Bounty | Gnolls had animations for bows but apparently not trolls |
| 10:19.01 | Merc | didnt have art tools back then i guess? |
| 10:19.08 | Bounty | would not have mattered |
| 10:19.12 | Merc | would probably look way better nowadays with splitbody animations |
| 10:19.13 | Bounty | I don't know how to work that stuff |
| 10:19.40 | Bounty | Remember, I got into this scene with no experience so I'm just winging it |
| 10:19.42 | Bounty | for the most part |
| 10:19.50 | Bounty | triggers ftw |
| 10:19.51 | Merc | this looks awesome though |
| 10:20.15 | Bounty | Gnolls VS Trolls? |
| 10:20.16 | Merc | I still dont know what a trigger is |
| 10:20.24 | Bounty | One of Traysents favorites |
| 10:20.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:20.45 | Bounty | I just never removed the music so they could feature it |
| 10:20.46 | Merc | feels like a trigger is something I shouldnt worry about since I probably need to work in data anyway |
| 10:20.58 | Bounty | eh |
| 10:21.11 | Bounty | I have my philosohpy |
| 10:21.22 | Bounty | I would not encourage it on anyone else though |
| 10:23.05 | Bounty | It works for me but if you ask me to make a game that is in anyway similar to SC2, I will fail |
| 10:23.14 | Bounty | I could not even make Special Forces |
| 10:23.16 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:23.38 | Merc | still no clue what that is but you guys seem very infatuated by it |
| 10:24.21 | Bounty | by what? Special ForceS? |
| 10:24.28 | Bounty | Its so special bro |
| 10:24.32 | Bounty | and now |
| 10:24.33 | Bounty | its elite |
| 10:24.37 | Bounty | with 10x the forces |
| 10:24.56 | JademusSreg | Or how about Bro Force? |
| 10:25.07 | Merc | Special Bro Force |
| 10:25.14 | JademusSreg | http://www.broforcegame.com/ |
| 10:25.26 | Merc | well shit |
| 10:25.46 | Merc | that is amazing |
| 10:25.57 | JademusSreg | "Play the free Brototype" |
| 10:26.56 | Merc | I want that now. |
| 10:27.13 | Merc | 13,99€ |
| 10:27.14 | Merc | nvm |
| 10:27.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 10:29.32 | JademusSreg | "Famous in inverse proportion to how coool I am" http://youtu.be/TPOs7-aALhY |
| 10:32.51 | Bounty | woohoo |
| 10:32.56 | Bounty | #10 on reddit |
| 10:32.59 | Bounty | 17 up votes |
| 10:33.03 | Bounty | grr |
| 10:33.06 | Merc | gaining traction |
| 10:33.11 | Bounty | I hope this continues while I sleep =/ |
| 10:33.15 | Bounty | would be nice to wake up to |
| 10:33.22 | Merc | it might |
| 10:33.42 | Bounty | fingers crossed |
| 10:33.43 | Merc | doubt it'll suddenly change direction at least |
| 10:34.01 | Bounty | I guess the video is not as bad as I thought |
| 10:34.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:34.13 | Bounty | I think it is much better than the one you got 5k views on |
| 10:34.14 | Bounty | =P |
| 10:34.20 | Merc | :p |
| 10:38.44 | Bounty | Ironically, most people told me not to use that song Merc |
| 10:38.53 | Bounty | so lets hope this goes against that |
| 10:38.54 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:39.27 | Bounty | the other song up to be used in the video was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t3y29tIFno |
| 10:39.33 | Bounty | most ppl wanted that lol |
| 10:40.09 | Merc | intense |
| 10:40.56 | Bounty | yeah but I think this song works better in this case |
| 10:41.06 | Bounty | that song sounds more like a first look trailer |
| 10:41.15 | Bounty | not showcasing multiple features |
| 10:41.20 | Merc | could have just gone completely fucking nuts and blasted full on dubstep |
| 10:41.31 | Bounty | how dare you use the D word |
| 10:41.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:41.35 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljZo_h3QMyw |
| 10:42.09 | Bounty | yeah... |
| 10:42.14 | JademusSreg | Would love to use this in a video: http://youtu.be/TFovzHe5wKw |
| 10:42.25 | Bounty | I make most of those sounds while on the toilet |
| 10:42.50 | Bounty | lol you definitely seem to love rap |
| 10:42.54 | Bounty | =P |
| 10:43.16 | Bounty | going to save this though JademusSreg |
| 10:43.20 | Bounty | I like the female part |
| 10:43.33 | Bounty | so thanks for that <3 |
| 10:43.37 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAnnR5Y7klc |
| 10:44.11 | Merc | clearly this is what you should do |
| 10:44.26 | Bounty | lol what the FUCK merc |
| 10:44.28 | Bounty | my headphones |
| 10:44.37 | Merc | hahhahh |
| 10:45.13 | Bounty | You know what I like about crazy shit like that? |
| 10:45.19 | Bounty | Is that someone created that |
| 10:45.27 | Merc | an artist |
| 10:45.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:45.45 | Merc | with just the right amount of mutations in his brain |
| 10:45.51 | Bounty | indeed |
| 10:46.54 | JademusSreg | I enjoy MC Frontalot. Most rap isn't intellectually stimulating, not commensurate with my tastes. Though Wu Tang obviously has some badass nerds. |
| 10:46.58 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNr6Yi_D4HE |
| 10:47.51 | Merc | holy shit that last one |
| 10:48.12 | Merc | you'll find that one intellectually stimulating JademusSreg |
| 10:48.32 | Merc | you'll end up asking questions such as |
| 10:48.33 | Merc | "why" |
| 10:49.03 | JademusSreg | Name the song? Nooope. |
| 10:49.11 | Bounty | you know whats sad merc |
| 10:49.17 | Bounty | is that you have these videos on demand |
| 10:49.40 | Bounty | Norwegian... |
| 10:49.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:50.00 | Merc | http://www.reddit.com/r/montageparodies/top/ |
| 10:50.17 | Merc | the world at my fingertips m8 |
| 10:50.22 | Merc | git on my level |
| 10:50.26 | Merc | WUB WUB WUB |
| 10:50.32 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6piw3sCcFG8 |
| 10:50.37 | Bounty | there you go |
| 10:50.43 | Merc | I was just watching that |
| 10:50.48 | Merc | wasnt sure if you were ready for it |
| 10:51.38 | JademusSreg | Go sleep, Bounty. |
| 10:52.05 | Bounty | I will |
| 10:52.15 | Bounty | @merc |
| 10:52.16 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUU3DNU-ymQ |
| 10:52.21 | Bounty | I win |
| 10:52.30 | Merc | that one is brutal |
| 10:53.12 | Bounty | psh |
| 10:53.14 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQc_v5qjS4 |
| 10:53.28 | Bounty | fast forward to 1:18 |
| 10:53.29 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo |
| 10:53.30 | Bounty | brutal |
| 10:53.55 | Merc | that deer is having a bad day |
| 10:53.59 | Bounty | ripped apart and eaten alive |
| 10:54.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:54.18 | Bounty | makes you hate dogs |
| 10:54.32 | JademusSreg | looks at a picture of being whipped by a dominatrix, reminisces fondly. Good times. |
| 10:54.33 | Bounty | at least cats have the decency to kill as quick as possible :) |
| 10:55.00 | Bounty | also |
| 10:55.07 | Bounty | rofl @ 2:25 |
| 10:55.12 | Bounty | dog is like |
| 10:55.21 | Bounty | "Oh, liver" |
| 10:55.23 | Bounty | nom nom |
| 10:58.08 | Merc | ever seen Naked and Marooned with Ed Stafford? |
| 10:58.14 | Merc | kinda like that only with a dude |
| 10:59.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:59.46 | Bounty | nah I think I am about to take JademusSreg 's advice |
| 10:59.52 | Bounty | in a few mins |
| 10:59.59 | Merc | but I sent you all this inspiration |
| 11:00.05 | Merc | make tessera mlg yoloswag now |
| 11:00.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 11:01.10 | Bounty | ok, now you're just getting close to DZ's level |
| 11:01.12 | Bounty | =P |
| 11:03.18 | Merc | surely I do not know what you mean |
| 11:04.01 | JademusSreg | Nor I. |
| 11:04.36 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, looks like I'll be abstracting out a Galaga Marquee font. |
| 11:05.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 11:05.28 | Bounty | alright well post is stuck at 17 up votes |
| 11:05.34 | Bounty | heading to bed |
| 11:05.48 | Bounty | Will Bounty awaken to a miracle? |
| 11:05.57 | Bounty | Find out next time on |
| 11:05.59 | Bounty | Soap |
| 11:06.05 | Bounty | night all |
| 11:38.05 | JademusSreg | Hm, might have an idea that would fit on the SC2 platform. |
| 11:39.02 | JademusSreg | This should convey the premise: http://youtu.be/EMgsAD3D948 |
| 11:51.11 | Merc | reminds me of that terra tron |
| 11:51.21 | Merc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwEfiU4wd68 |
| 11:52.27 | Merc | cool song |
| 12:01.53 | JademusSreg | I'm thinking animal-like robot pilots vs kaiju battles in monster-of-the-week battles, smaller individual episodes, with sequences of those refered to as a season, each season ends with a finale, great performance activates "Special Event" (for lack of a better term atm)), akin to made-for-tv mini-movies, which are longer than an episode, involve multiple enemies and objectives. And maybe |
| 12:01.53 | JademusSreg | super-awesome performance, whatever, activates the Blockbuster event, analogue to a high-production big-budget hollywood film, which combines and surpasses the difficulty, content, and spectacle of the previous modes. |
| 12:09.11 | Merc | I just wanna make my own warcraft rts |
| 12:09.18 | Merc | complicated enough as it is :P |
| 12:09.32 | Merc | think it would get a decent playerbase too |
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| 12:15.58 | JademusSreg | Pilot, Seasons[n]{ Episodes[13,26], Finale}, Spectacle, Blockbuster |
| 12:16.42 | JademusSreg | Merc: http://youtu.be/VZ2HcRl4wSk |
| 12:17.13 | Merc | lol |
| 12:22.58 | JademusSreg | And fortunately for you, I am here, in all my beneficence, wisdom, self-righteousness, and narcissistic glory. </megalomania> |
| 12:23.37 | Merc | <mad laugh> |
| 12:23.54 | Merc | when I get time I wanna sit down and try your unit template |
| 12:24.12 | Merc | rewrite it to use my new model/texture names etc |
| 12:24.15 | JademusSreg | Have you played my demo? |
| 12:24.21 | Merc | and then add stuff |
| 12:24.25 | Merc | not sure which demo you are talking about |
| 12:25.16 | JademusSreg | There's a demo I have that demonstrates a variety of different implementations, often link to it to illustrate an approach. |
| 12:26.30 | JademusSreg | Give it a try, WASD/ULDR, mouse controls camera, left click to pewpew, right click to sprint: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 12:26.44 | Merc | hmh |
| 12:26.49 | Merc | I'll try it when I get home |
| 12:26.59 | Merc | seems too advanced for my needs though |
| 12:27.15 | JademusSreg | Naw, I bring it up because of the data, not the script. |
| 12:27.46 | JademusSreg | And since it will probably be used to illustrate many solutions. |
| 12:28.49 | JademusSreg | In your particular case, you just need an attachment point on the hand, a bunch of spears on its back, a spear-reachy-backy animation, and data to attach a spear model to the unit's hand. |
| 12:29.29 | JademusSreg | That's the general overview, so you can model the troll, animation, separate spear model, get that shit out of the way and get down to the data. |
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| 12:42.37 | Merc | JademusSreg: how would you make sure the spear moves properly in his hand though? |
| 12:43.09 | Merc | or I guess you can just flip the model around until it is in the proper angle for that particular animation.. |
| 12:43.25 | Merc | seems so clunky though |
| 12:45.16 | JademusSreg | Attachment points are a vector, afterall, and more importantly a bone. The position, orientation and scale of the bone (and thus attachment point) are all animatable, so the bone in the hand is given an attachment reference, actor and related data attach the model to the hand through a few different options. |
| 12:46.10 | Merc | making a weapon attatchment point would be simple enough |
| 12:46.14 | JademusSreg | All ya need to worry about is the animation; if it looks correct with a spear when you're animating it, it will look correct with the spear as a separate attached model. |
| 12:46.41 | Merc | it's the whole bit about attaching the spear with data that is a mystery to me |
| 12:47.15 | Merc | would be much better though.. would let me use various types of spears if I want to |
| 12:47.18 | JademusSreg | Which is why we are here to assist. Consider how the Tempest in Swarm works. |
| 12:47.47 | Merc | always kinda wanted to expand on something like that, and change the way armor and weapons appear after upgrades finish |
| 12:48.16 | Merc | but I'm wary of dreaming too big |
| 12:48.24 | Merc | that's how you end up with projects that never finish |
| 12:48.32 | JademusSreg | Its weapon has a longish cooldown, during which time, it charges up. Each time it launches, the visibile orb of energy in its ringy thing is pew'd away, returned again when the weapon is available. |
| 12:48.58 | JademusSreg | What you're doing is, in principle, identical to what the Tempest already does. |
| 12:49.11 | JademusSreg | So there's already a standard example. |
| 12:49.30 | Merc | mm |
| 12:50.04 | Merc | guess I'll take a look at that later |
| 12:50.07 | Merc | still at work |
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| 12:54.48 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 14:04.00 | Ahli | http://www.codespaces.com/ oh wow... |
| 15:21.44 | JademusSreg | HAha, I posted about it yesterday. =D |
| 15:22.10 | JademusSreg | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/aws-console-breach-leads-to-demise-of-service-with-proven-backup-plan/ |
| 15:25.20 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, decomposing the Galaga marguee text. |
| 15:25.27 | JademusSreg | *marquee |
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| 15:35.33 | Ahli | the what? |
| 15:36.41 | JademusSreg | http://www.classicplastic.net/dvgi/special-galagamultigame-20.jpg |
| 15:38.29 | Merc | alright then JademusSreg |
| 15:38.33 | Merc | making a new headhunter just for you |
| 15:39.12 | JademusSreg | It's a highly stylized transitional serif; part of the decomposition involves identifying the pattern from the proportional character component transformations. |
| 15:39.52 | Merc | that is technically a brush script |
| 15:40.30 | Renee | Hi, JademusSreg. Can you tell me the file name Ahli said in #8?http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/w%3D580%3B/sign=24c71d24d5ca7bcb7d7bc7278e326963/b17eca8065380cd7c7ea860aa344ad3458828164.jpg |
| 15:41.17 | JademusSreg | Renee, that is perhaps the wrong link?> |
| 15:41.30 | Renee | sorry |
| 15:42.11 | Renee | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67316-wc3-orc-heroes-remastered/#p8 should be this one |
| 15:42.12 | JademusSreg | Merc, not a brush script; the characters don't connect, though I can see how one might mistake it for such. |
| 15:42.32 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes. |
| 15:42.33 | Merc | well it's not a serif font because it has no serifs :p |
| 15:43.25 | JademusSreg | Renee, I remember, it's an easily overlooked file in the Core mpq EditorData. One moment... |
| 15:43.34 | JademusSreg | Merc, its serifs are spikey. |
| 15:43.41 | Renee | Thanks |
| 15:43.57 | Merc | trust me, it's not a serif font :p |
| 15:44.57 | Merc | I'd put it in the script or display category |
| 15:45.26 | Renee | Ok, EditorImportData.xml is it? |
| 15:46.15 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:46.37 | Renee | Thanks :) |
| 15:47.14 | JademusSreg | It was recently updated with all the correct ids, but worth noting is that the ids for the warcraft 3 units have full-length ids conversion values, which means those will be the ids used by the mod. |
| 15:47.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-12-82.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:48.05 | turtles1 | hey all. Long time no mod |
| 15:48.10 | Renee | hmmm, sounds legit |
| 15:48.10 | JademusSreg | That's necessary as a consequence of the editor data being loaded from Core, I expect. |
| 15:49.24 | JademusSreg | Hiu thar turt. |
| 15:49.28 | JademusSreg | *Hi |
| 15:49.31 | Renee | This wc3 mod thing made me waited for too long... Not sure I can ever see it released |
| 15:50.25 | Merc | everything you need is in WoW anyway isnt it :p |
| 15:50.51 | JademusSreg | (Pardon the typographical errors; currently thoroughly medicated to treat my wounds after having fought a cyborg bear wizard.) |
| 15:51.07 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.16 | JademusSreg | Well, I'm curious if it's on their ftp or distribution servers. |
| 15:51.34 | Merc | I can see why you'd mistake it for a serif |
| 15:52.03 | Merc | and hell, maybe it could be one |
| 15:52.07 | Merc | but traditionally, not really |
| 15:52.14 | JademusSreg | I've got plenty of data derived from the string dumps and also mined from the battlenet cache. |
| 15:52.43 | JademusSreg | Also of some interest is that Herostorm uses the FTP protocol in some capacity. |
| 15:53.03 | Renee | Great found. |
| 15:53.46 | Renee | Guess I should change all id of my units\doodad into the full length version in this file. If I want the the convert feature to work I guess... |
| 15:54.52 | JademusSreg | Which causes me to think either its used to download files to the cache, or -possibly- the local data is accessed by the client via the protocol, which would be funny. |
| 15:54.58 | JademusSreg | Yep. =D |
| 15:56.17 | Merc | what exactly is this stuff you're tracking down anyway JademusSreg |
| 15:56.41 | JademusSreg | According to my logs, I extracted EditorImportData.xml on 12/4/2013, so whatever patch/build was then available is probably around when it was added. |
| 15:57.01 | JademusSreg | Merc, more or less everything. Infinite curiosity. |
| 15:57.39 | Merc | Patch 2.1.2 20 May 2014 30315 |
| 15:57.39 | Merc | Bug Fixes |
| 15:57.39 | Merc | Patch 2.1.1 4 March 2014 29261 |
| 15:59.06 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I dig into "bug fix" patches, too, since people don't suspect those of containing much significant data. |
| 15:59.18 | Merc | Bug Fixeshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.1.1 |
| 16:00.04 | JademusSreg | Reminded of the time the devs accidentally left the flash source files in the build, so now I've got the source for a ton of swarm custom interface shit. |
| 16:00.44 | Merc | so the user interface when playing is actually flash? |
| 16:01.01 | Merc | that is so weird |
| 16:01.08 | JademusSreg | Naw, just the flash stuff is. |
| 16:01.13 | Merc | :D |
| 16:01.16 | Merc | what is the flash stuff? |
| 16:01.31 | JademusSreg | The more animated portions of the UI. |
| 16:01.38 | Merc | so, entire zerg ui? |
| 16:01.44 | JademusSreg | Most of the Bnet glues. |
| 16:01.53 | Merc | or are you thinking the transitions between scenes |
| 16:02.06 | JademusSreg | It's all there in the files, anyone can see em. =D |
| 16:02.16 | Renee | Text crawling , for example, is done by flash |
| 16:02.30 | Merc | text crawling? |
| 16:02.40 | JademusSreg | Open the Console, use the browse command and enter .swf |
| 16:02.50 | Merc | hmh |
| 16:03.02 | JademusSreg | And yes, text crawl is flash. |
| 16:04.03 | JademusSreg | If anyone works with flash, I can provide source files for the batch I extracted. |
| 16:05.17 | Merc | I used to, but I probably wont understand any of that |
| 16:05.23 | JademusSreg | Oh, also been testing command line args with Herostorm, found a few ftp addresses, including one which suggested a local ftp. |
| 16:05.33 | Ahli | bug fix patch... 1.1k version increments... |
| 16:05.37 | Merc | only interested in the victory screen and the races' game interfaces anyway |
| 16:05.52 | JademusSreg | Racial interfaces are just models. |
| 16:05.59 | JademusSreg | Nothing special about the console UI. |
| 16:06.02 | Merc | m3 models? |
| 16:06.06 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 16:06.08 | Merc | nice |
| 16:06.34 | Renee | It looks like heroes and sc2 share the build number, so the number increasement doesn't means any thing. |
| 16:07.10 | JademusSreg | 1 off. |
| 16:07.29 | JademusSreg | 30508 and 30509. |
| 16:07.35 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/T3fpn4L.png troll headhunter now with ref_weapon instead of model |
| 16:07.41 | Merc | time to duplicate tempest :D |
| 16:08.45 | Renee | If they would never release the wc3 assets. My mod would be wasted. And if they would release it, but with a data model, My mode would be wasted too.It looks bleak...hmmm |
| 16:08.49 | JademusSreg | Renee, would you like any of this data or the flash source files? Not aware if you work with em. |
| 16:08.49 | Merc | oh god so many actors |
| 16:08.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (46435739@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.67.87.57) |
| 16:09.37 | Merc | sounds like a bit of a pickle Renee, what are you working on exactly? |
| 16:09.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-109-193-231-221.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:10.21 | JademusSreg | As for the War3 mod, like I said, it might be accessible from either one of their various ftp servers (blizzard.com and battle.net both have em, the data and my testing indicates), or from bnet. |
| 16:11.52 | JademusSreg | I've got string dumps and data extracted from caches, but I have yet to scan the process memory itself. |
| 16:12.02 | Merc | alright screw this |
| 16:12.11 | Merc | I'm gonna make the unit from scratch instead |
| 16:12.23 | Merc | should probably start with a simpler unit though |
| 16:12.26 | JademusSreg | Oh, and the in-game UI editor will support saving, templates, loading, et cetera. |
| 16:12.44 | JademusSreg | Merc, try just studying the data. |
| 16:12.56 | JademusSreg | Ctrl Space to bring up the navigator window. |
| 16:12.58 | Renee | My mod is already done long ago. I just never release it, because it's too big.So I need blizzard to publish that wc3 model pack first. And I just need to publish the data. |
| 16:13.27 | Merc | too big? :o |
| 16:13.54 | Merc | I thought nothing could be too big |
| 16:14.05 | Renee | It's 1.59Gig currently |
| 16:14.07 | Merc | removed the max size requirements or something |
| 16:14.08 | Merc | holy shit okay |
| 16:14.09 | Merc | :D |
| 16:14.29 | JademusSreg | Well, there's a command line arg -testmod and it takes a more name as its parameter. War3 is its label, of course, but it presupposes access. |
| 16:14.54 | Merc | I only want to turn sc2 multiplayer into a warcraft theme instead, hopefully wont be that big |
| 16:15.00 | Merc | aiming for less than 100 mb |
| 16:16.19 | Renee | My data mod alone is almostly 100mb |
| 16:16.32 | Merc | o.0 |
| 16:16.50 | JademusSreg | One could also try adding a War3.SC2Mod requirement to a map/mod, edit the DocumentInfo and DocumentHeader so that it uses the battlenet latest version. That would work -if- the mod is on battlenet and it doesn't verify the access in some way. |
| 16:16.53 | Renee | I recreated all units and doodads and abilities and terrains and everthing |
| 16:17.18 | Merc | impressive |
| 16:17.46 | Merc | go for it JademusSreg :p |
| 16:17.49 | JademusSreg | brb, more stuff to mention |
| 16:20.29 | Merc | jesus all this data stuff is so overwhelming |
| 16:21.34 | Renee | My mod was finished long ago, but I can do nothing but wait for blizzard to release their model pack. Would they ever release it? or they already did the data part themselves? I don't even know if they are still working on SC2? |
| 16:21.52 | Merc | :( |
| 16:29.58 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Renee, long time no see. SC2 is almost certainly be worked on, but in an indirect fashion. More accurate to say that Galaxy is being worked on, which underlies both Storm and SC2. |
| 16:30.34 | Merc | I hope they take their time tbh, make Void the best that it can be |
| 16:31.45 | ArcanePariah|Wor | From everything indicated, it will be. At this time there is multiple features in the works that will be of use. Certan changes in the data editor, the in game UI, automated tournaments, more data assets, serverside banks, full documentation. |
| 16:32.14 | Ahli | I don't think it will be as detailed as your mod should be, renee |
| 16:32.19 | Merc | serverside banks? what does that mean |
| 16:32.26 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It has been a long time coming, but we are seeing the results of the changes of about a year ago. |
| 16:32.41 | Ahli | data editor changes? |
| 16:33.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | No, changes within Blizzard, specifically the cancelling of Titan and the subsequent reallocation of people and resources back to D3, Hearthstone, Storm and SC2 |
| 16:33.50 | ArcanePariah|Wor | From my understanding, Blizzard basically overcommited to Titan, with a "all star" team that was huge, and ultimately was not productive, and left most other projects to wither so to speak. |
| 16:34.34 | Merc | My impression was that they were forced to go back to the drawing table after seeing what other companies were doing |
| 16:34.39 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I think Blizzard took a reality check and realized that large teams are not as effective as smaller teams, as evidenced by both their competitors in various genres, and also the origins of Hearthstone (a hobby project and still only a 20 person staff afaik) |
| 16:35.03 | Merc | 20 persons on hearthstone? seems like a lot |
| 16:35.17 | ArcanePariah|Wor | SC2 had 70+, D3 had 90+ |
| 16:35.23 | Merc | what? :o |
| 16:35.24 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Titan had 100+ |
| 16:35.39 | Merc | oh yeah, for development |
| 16:35.45 | ArcanePariah|Wor | They presented this at Blizzcon, had a slide covering it |
| 16:35.57 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Hearthstone has never had more then 20 people total |
| 16:35.58 | Merc | I'm thinking continued maintenance |
| 16:36.05 | Merc | got confused |
| 16:36.09 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And the results are impressive |
| 16:36.47 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, many indie or small studios have gotten fairly impressive results, such as Runic (TL2) or GGG (PoE) |
| 16:37.05 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Usually they get concepts better but lack infrastructure |
| 16:37.44 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I think Blizzard realized that monolithic large teams are like monolithic coding: poor and unwieldy |
| 16:38.19 | Renee | I hope they release a 2.2 patch right now and import all the editor features they added in the heroes project |
| 16:38.38 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Renee, that is almost certainly what they are doing, integrating the code bases. |
| 16:39.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | For no other reason then maintaining 2 large branches of the editor is costly and unwieldy |
| 16:40.03 | Ahli | *than ;) |
| 16:41.34 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Ahli to the rescue, saving people from their own poor grammer since forever :D |
| 16:42.04 | JademusSreg | *grammar |
| 16:42.25 | Merc | hur hur |
| 16:42.27 | JademusSreg | Also, ended sentence with preposition. |
| 16:42.37 | JademusSreg | Also, back. |
| 16:43.12 | Merc | you asked me to dump questions your way on how to make a new unit JademusSreg |
| 16:43.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Incomplete sentence. |
| 16:43.16 | Merc | I might do that now |
| 16:43.48 | JademusSreg | http://youtu.be/y7sKhHPKqAc |
| 16:44.03 | JademusSreg | Sure, no problem. |
| 16:44.04 | Renee | It is a usually thought. But sometimes blizzard's thoughts are strange to others. We haven't seen patch 2.2 for a long time. And I guess we won't see it before this year's blizzcon. |
| 16:45.08 | JademusSreg | Also, are there any inqueries I can satisfy with my voluminous extracted references? |
| 16:45.40 | Ahli | I wouldn't be too sure about that... there is stuff they want to do for wcs and that might require them to patch... I don't think they will wait forever... |
| 16:45.44 | Merc | I feel like there should be some sort of checklist you can go through when making a new unit |
| 16:46.46 | JademusSreg | Merc, there probably is or will be in the near future. But for now, we are here. |
| 16:47.17 | Merc | I'll use this one http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/data/1 |
| 16:47.24 | Merc | make notes along the way |
| 16:47.27 | Merc | and get back to you |
| 16:47.31 | turtles1 | ArcanePariah: "automated tournaments"? |
| 16:47.41 | Merc | yeah that sounded juicy |
| 16:47.50 | ArcanePariah|Wor | What is really needed is for canned templates with tokens that people can import into the data editor |
| 16:47.53 | Ahli | people ask for that forever... apparently wc3 had something like that |
| 16:47.55 | turtles1 | Has Blizzard mentioned this or is it something you are reading between the lines based on snippets |
| 16:48.05 | JademusSreg | Barring any specific questions, I'll mention other stuff I've found in my digging. |
| 16:48.06 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Something Blizzard has mentioned |
| 16:48.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | One moment |
| 16:48.42 | ArcanePariah|Wor | http://www.blizzposts.com/topic/en/281381/automated-tournaments |
| 16:49.05 | Renee | Ahli, blizzard ever talked about integrating GameHeart into SC2? |
| 16:49.23 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, in my estimation, we will see 2.2 in the next month or 2 |
| 16:49.32 | Merc | :o |
| 16:49.38 | Renee | hmmm |
| 16:49.40 | Ahli | I cannot confirm nor deny anything |
| 16:49.55 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Diablo 3 will be getting its PTR for its next major patch after the AH for it closes in 5 days |
| 16:50.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | AH closes in 5 days* |
| 16:50.16 | Ahli | AH is still existing? :o |
| 16:50.43 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, it was closed for sales long ago, but you had until June 24th to claim all things from it (gold and items) |
| 16:50.58 | Ahli | ah k |
| 16:51.10 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, it has to do with legal requirements, of giving people a certain amoutn of notice |
| 16:51.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | With the AH closure, that will free up that infrastructure in preparation for seasons |
| 16:51.46 | JademusSreg | Examined files in the .StromReplay. Battlenet cache includes compiled-binary executables and/or dlls. Battlenet and games have been transitioning to JSON, currently still employs XML. Herostorm PNG and DDS images are cached in .wafl ("waffle") archives. |
| 16:51.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | As well as the other features coming in 2.1 |
| 16:52.07 | Ahli | hmm waffles |
| 16:52.20 | ArcanePariah|Wor | JademusSreg, does this include the data found in the editor? |
| 16:52.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | XML -> JSON* |
| 16:52.41 | Renee | Blizzard should really merge SC2's and Heroes' Aracde |
| 16:52.51 | Ahli | can we extract all data from the heroes archives, yet? |
| 16:52.54 | JademusSreg | I don't have access to the herostorm editor (yet). |
| 16:52.58 | Merc | werent blizzard moving over to CASC instead of MPQ |
| 16:53.03 | Ahli | the extractor I have can't export anything |
| 16:53.12 | Ahli | *everything |
| 16:53.29 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Renee, with the Desktop App, we could see the arcade being somewhat standalone. Though atm Storms has its own section for custom games (just not accessible atm) |
| 16:53.36 | Ahli | e.g. I don't have access to murky's stats... |
| 16:53.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Murky stats will be in a trashcan soon anyhow |
| 16:54.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | He needs a total rework |
| 16:54.12 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Or at least some serious changes to some of his skills |
| 16:54.36 | Ahli | but I'm feeding a wiki, so I'm interested in current data, too... :D atm I approximated some of his stats |
| 16:55.14 | Renee | I don't think the editor is in the current heroes testing client. But we can get many information for the data editor's data structure. |
| 16:55.37 | Ahli | his murky army is too good, slow, damage, structure killer all in one, other heroic ability sucks... only a stun (murky + enemy stunned) for 3 seconds |
| 16:55.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | That is one thing, the other issue is his puffer fish |
| 16:56.01 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I'm still researching that, but could be the herostorm data is stored locally in wafl files, for all I know, of even might be separate files stuck ass-to-mouth, recognized and retrieved using the indexes from, let's say, a local ftp service or something. Considering it's intended for mobile, one can assume it intends to be a fast and efficient solution at the expense of human |
| 16:56.01 | JademusSreg | intelligibility. =D |
| 16:56.21 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It is too binary. It either is not seen and easily crushes bases or someone is placed on murky duty and its useless |
| 16:56.28 | Renee | Plus, I didn't get heroes testing invition yet. |
| 16:56.41 | ArcanePariah|Wor | He is not OP per se, just not entertaining to play with or against |
| 16:57.07 | ArcanePariah|Wor | He has exactly one game plan, and either other team assings Nova or Zeratul to him or they forfeit by default |
| 16:57.12 | ArcanePariah|Wor | assigns* |
| 16:58.24 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I have no idea how storm would be played on a mobile? |
| 16:58.40 | Ahli | sometimes murky is not accomplishing anything in some games, but I guess that's just a bad murky player :D |
| 16:59.00 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well, that's the entire problem with murky, he is either devastating or useless |
| 16:59.10 | ArcanePariah|Wor | No real in between |
| 16:59.29 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Played against him with Nova, easily countered him, he was useless |
| 16:59.43 | pirate | cuz snipe one shots him |
| 16:59.47 | pirate | and it's hilarious |
| 16:59.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | But other games, if my team didn't have someone hunt him all game, he easily overran us |
| 17:00.13 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well yes, hilarious to see him "die" in 1 shot, except for the fact it doesn't do anything. |
| 17:00.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Since he is right back in 3 seconds |
| 17:00.25 | Ahli | isn't it 5? |
| 17:00.30 | Renee | Can you share your wiki link, Ahli? |
| 17:00.40 | Ahli | it's in German =/ |
| 17:00.41 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, but by the time death animations play and all, its down to 3 |
| 17:00.48 | Renee | ah, ok |
| 17:01.05 | JademusSreg | Ah, getting into the heroes alpha, I didn't receive an invite via email or anything; I received a survey asking about my experience with the game, aincluding how much I played, which seemed odd. I went to my bnet account and, tada, it was available to download. |
| 17:01.05 | Ahli | http://heroes.ingame.de/wiki/Heroes_of_the_Storm maybe you can translate it somehow |
| 17:01.06 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, its 5, but that entire mechanic encourages a strictly solo style of play |
| 17:01.28 | turtles1 | Anyone have much experience with the advanced AI trigger commands? |
| 17:01.40 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And yeah, same for me, the DL/game link simply appeared in my Desktop client |
| 17:01.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | turtles1: I have some |
| 17:01.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | What are you attempting to do? |
| 17:01.58 | turtles1 | create an AI |
| 17:02.02 | turtles1 | :P |
| 17:02.26 | Renee | Well, that's not what it do. |
| 17:02.44 | pirate | I want to see the ability data for heroes |
| 17:02.48 | turtles1 | so many questions to ask but atm I'd like to ask about towns |
| 17:03.00 | Renee | If you want to create an AI, you will need to do raw galaxy. |
| 17:03.03 | JademusSreg | turt, yes. |
| 17:03.25 | turtles1 | what does the AI consider a town? can you set towns to certain indecies? |
| 17:03.28 | JademusSreg | Renee, any non-War3 info I can provide for ya? |
| 17:03.31 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes |
| 17:03.39 | ArcanePariah|Wor | There is an action for you to set a town |
| 17:03.41 | turtles1 | or tell it to consider a certain location as a town? |
| 17:04.01 | turtles1 | so as it expands it automatically assigns that town a number? |
| 17:04.02 | JademusSreg | Oh wow, accidentally found something amusing. |
| 17:04.24 | turtles1 | is there a way to know which town is which? |
| 17:04.28 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/h9z4g |
| 17:04.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | No, you assign a town to an index, and when you call the command for the AI to expand, you can tell it which index |
| 17:05.15 | Renee | native point AIGetTownLocation (int player, int town); |
| 17:05.22 | turtles1 | and town = -1 indicates any town the AI thinks is acceptable? |
| 17:05.28 | Renee | yep |
| 17:05.39 | turtles1 | how do you assign a location to be a town? |
| 17:06.02 | JademusSreg | Unidentified members of the enum: Phoenix, Pegasus, PS_Automation, Marketplace. |
| 17:06.15 | Ahli | blizzard's gamescom stuff: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/blog/14514579/ |
| 17:06.18 | turtles1 | and does it have to contain a town hall? For example could you decide on a good proxy placement and start building units there? |
| 17:06.20 | Renee | PS_AUTOMATION? What's that? sounds like a testing Automation or something |
| 17:06.56 | turtles1 | Renee why do you say I will need to do "raw galaxy"? |
| 17:07.10 | JademusSreg | Just gotta determine to what PS most likely refers. |
| 17:07.28 | Ahli | pegasus? |
| 17:08.14 | JademusSreg | turt, because "advanced AI" is unpleasant in GUI, and the melee AIs use galaxy script exclusively, which allows them access to the ref types, funcref, arrayref, structref. |
| 17:08.19 | ArcanePariah|Wor | turtles1: for certain AI things, you will have to create the script without GUI (as you are already doing). The AI functiosn can be assigned to a unit, and thus always running with the unit. It is then flagged as Custom AI script and autogenerated at game start |
| 17:08.35 | JademusSreg | Hell, melee AI is the only part of the entire standard galaxy codebase that uses the ref types. |
| 17:08.55 | ArcanePariah|Wor | If you look at a Unit in the data editor, there is a field for assigning an AI function. |
| 17:09.08 | ArcanePariah|Wor | See the High Templar for an example |
| 17:09.37 | JademusSreg | Oh, I had a list of the heroes. Gotta find that. |
| 17:09.40 | Renee | That's Tactical AI. |
| 17:09.50 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, but it can be assigned AI functions |
| 17:09.53 | Renee | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.57 | ArcanePariah|Wor | True |
| 17:10.04 | ArcanePariah|Wor | But needed for an overall AI |
| 17:10.15 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Unless you want mindless A moving units :d |
| 17:10.28 | turtles1 | So is there any information on how to write tactical AI functions? any examples I can look at to modify? |
| 17:10.49 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You will need to dig into the core.scmod for the AI library |
| 17:10.56 | Renee | A unit can either have a galaxy Tactical AI or a Data-Driven Tactical AI |
| 17:11.08 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It can have both |
| 17:11.10 | turtles1 | well, I wasn't mindlessly A-moving. I was stepping through units and running commands for the to excecute |
| 17:11.29 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well, not both entirely, but it can |
| 17:12.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Wait, High Templar has Tactical AI, since it uses tactical AI target to determine storms |
| 17:12.26 | Renee | Data-version is faster, but it is not as flexible as scripts. |
| 17:12.57 | turtles1 | So if I wanted to do it that way I would have to edit core.scmod and have it included in my mod so that it overwrites the defauklt version? |
| 17:13.08 | Renee | nop |
| 17:13.31 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, but doesn't things like HT uses both? Has Tactical AI with assoiciated AI targeting to storm correctly, but also had a script to do feedbacks plus last ditch (ie its about to die) storms. |
| 17:14.22 | ArcanePariah|Wor | turtles1: you will create a new library, include the melee one and add your own functions. Then in Game Data, add your library. Then in the player properties, for the computer player, assign it your lib for AI |
| 17:14.52 | turtles1 | I've already got pretty advanced tactical AI's working for units using simple triggers. But I'd like to know how to do things the way you are talking about |
| 17:15.24 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Epic%20Quest%20Criteria.s2ql |
| 17:15.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Under Advanced -> Tactical AI |
| 17:15.29 | ArcanePariah|Wor | in data editor |
| 17:15.31 | JademusSreg | Open in text editor. |
| 17:15.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You can create tactical AI. They can use validators to determine when/if abilites are casted. |
| 17:16.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Then in the Unit, you can assign a tactical AI you have created. |
| 17:16.15 | Renee | Well, it seems I can't open JademusSreg's link |
| 17:16.16 | turtles1 | Same can be done with triggers |
| 17:16.25 | turtles1 | but this way sounds innately better |
| 17:16.29 | JademusSreg | Pardon, I'll change the extension. |
| 17:16.52 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Epic%20Quest%20Criteria.txt |
| 17:17.05 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, because it is running all the time, and does not rely on autocasting of the ability nor issuing commands from script. Also, the commands from script are NOT guarenteed to be done, since it obeys the AI APM restraint. |
| 17:17.07 | Merc | I wonder if you could take a replay and make the AI do exactly what one of the players do in that replay |
| 17:17.44 | Merc | fire it up in a custom game and let the player practice against some crazy ass progamer all in |
| 17:18.07 | JademusSreg | It's JSON, extension s2ql, only s2 code I found was the s2 protocol for replays: https://github.com/Blizzard/s2protocol |
| 17:18.42 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Merc, I beleive the various AI build orders are modeled after existing pro play. |
| 17:19.19 | turtles1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Unfortnetely no |
| 17:19.40 | turtles1 | this is all WAY to much information to be rellayed in a single chat line |
| 17:19.46 | JademusSreg | Interestingly, it is conceivable one could use the s2protocol to construct replays by design, rather than as an event record. |
| 17:19.55 | Merc | cool |
| 17:20.06 | JademusSreg | Storm appears to use the same protocol. |
| 17:20.11 | Renee | hmmm |
| 17:20.43 | JademusSreg | Replays are mpqs with similar content. |
| 17:20.50 | JademusSreg | *StormReplay |
| 17:22.40 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm%20Licenses.cata.txt |
| 17:23.45 | JademusSreg | Here are the many, many licenses for the game. If you'll recall, there are SC2 natives for checking licenses. |
| 17:23.59 | JademusSreg | Which means Herostorm has the same native. =D |
| 17:24.09 | turtles1 | ArcanePariah is there a way to see the tactical AI the computer uses? How it is linked to the unit? |
| 17:24.20 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Look at the High Templar |
| 17:24.27 | turtles1 | yes... |
| 17:24.35 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And relevant tactical AI object |
| 17:25.50 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Give me one moment to pull up editor at hom |
| 17:26.00 | ArcanePariah|Wor | is pretending to be working :D |
| 17:26.29 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm%20Achievements.achv.txt |
| 17:26.35 | JademusSreg | Rather self explanatory. |
| 17:27.41 | turtles1 | one sec. all of a sudden my irc client is refusing all keyboard inputs. let me restart it (copy/pasting this text using mouse) |
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| 17:29.04 | turtles1 | wow, ok. THAT was weird |
| 17:29.20 | JademusSreg | This will be complete illegible, but it uses references defined in the licenses, so this is the data defining the product catalog which includes the licenses. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm%20Product%20Catalog.cata.txt |
| 17:30.17 | turtles1 | so anyway. the hightemplar has a "tactical AI" field which has the value "high templar" |
| 17:30.27 | turtles1 | How do you get to the MEAT of it? |
| 17:30.39 | ArcanePariah | If I'm not entirely mistaken the licesense scheme is for all the purchasble items in the store |
| 17:31.31 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/OMG%20FRIENDSHIP.xp.txt |
| 17:31.42 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Go to Advanced -> Tactical AI Data |
| 17:31.49 | JademusSreg | And this is, er, whatever it is. |
| 17:31.54 | JademusSreg | Friendship. |
| 17:32.07 | JademusSreg | Looks to be ability data. |
| 17:32.15 | JademusSreg | And the rest of the effect tree. |
| 17:32.28 | JademusSreg | OR xp sharing. |
| 17:32.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that makes sense. |
| 17:32.46 | JademusSreg | Data which defines the experience sharing mechanics. |
| 17:32.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | That is the friendship bonuses, party bonuses for player exp |
| 17:33.02 | JademusSreg | That might be important, someone do something with that. |
| 17:33.11 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You get bonus game exp for playing in party for the player leveling up to unlock stuff |
| 17:34.13 | turtles1 | so in the tactical AI data I'm looking at "Marker - Link" correct? |
| 17:35.10 | turtles1 | which says TacticalAI/HighTemplar and is presumably a relative file location for a set of different functions defining behaviour? |
| 17:35.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | No, the Ability field is the Ability that will be cast. You can set a validator in the Validator field to control the casting. The other field of importance is the target sort |
| 17:35.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Tarfet Find* |
| 17:35.34 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Target Find* |
| 17:35.54 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Target Finds are the way the ability determine where to cast, in this case, a storm |
| 17:36.07 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Target Finds are under Advanced as well |
| 17:36.43 | turtles1 | ok... is this all? |
| 17:36.48 | ArcanePariah|Wor | No |
| 17:37.00 | turtles1 | there is no further more complex behaviour being defined somewhere? |
| 17:37.18 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Not outside data atm, but Target Finds are complex |
| 17:38.18 | ArcanePariah|Wor | If you look under target finds, there will be a number of them for psi storm |
| 17:38.47 | turtles1 | defining how to find a good location to cast storm |
| 17:39.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Correct |
| 17:40.17 | turtles1 | So all the AI does is A-move and look for opertunities to use unit abilities such as storm? |
| 17:40.52 | turtles1 | although, that's not it I guess. Otherwise units like High Templars would just walk straight into battle |
| 17:40.56 | ArcanePariah|Wor | If assigned a tactical AI, yes, it will be constantly evaluating te validators |
| 17:41.05 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And then casting when appropriately |
| 17:41.06 | JademusSreg | Grrr, most annoying thing about the bnet cache is that it redownloads a huge amount of shit. |
| 17:42.03 | turtles1 | If one were to modify the AI via this method all they would be modifying is the priorities of when/where to cast abilities like storm |
| 17:42.15 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Correct, this is purely for ability |
| 17:42.32 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Which is considerable but not everything. |
| 17:42.42 | turtles1 | I think the default behaviour is already pretty smart for that kind of stuff |
| 17:42.54 | turtles1 | smart enough for my liking at least |
| 17:43.26 | ArcanePariah|Wor | In which case, yes, you now must turn to triggers to write custom functions or start using units in waves, bullies, or towns. |
| 17:44.04 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Waves are units gathered into groups and then assigned to either attack or escort or defend |
| 17:44.14 | turtles1 | OK. That's good :) |
| 17:44.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Attack targets can be anything, players, points, unit groups, regions around a unit |
| 17:44.29 | turtles1 | I don't like the "intelligence" of waves |
| 17:44.44 | turtles1 | already rewritten a lot of that behaviour in my own way |
| 17:44.58 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well, there are AI flags you can set to modify their behavior |
| 17:45.22 | ArcanePariah|Wor | They are NOT actions, which one reason they are hard to find. They are boolean functions that either turn them on, off or returns their state |
| 17:46.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You can enable use of AI danger maps, which uses the effect flags (the ones called Ai Notify) in their attack logic |
| 17:46.13 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So they will avoid things like aoe effects |
| 17:46.41 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, for waves, you can add way points, so a thing i did was to add small squads of units and assign them random way points around the target |
| 17:46.53 | ArcanePariah|Wor | So they would spread out |
| 17:46.58 | ArcanePariah|Wor | enroute to target |
| 17:47.20 | turtles1 | I've already got it so that armies assemble into formations |
| 17:47.22 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You can set a gather point for the wave to assemble |
| 17:47.25 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Ok |
| 17:47.28 | turtles1 | en-route and before attack |
| 17:47.34 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You can set units to escort others |
| 17:47.55 | turtles1 | with support units in the back and meat shields up front |
| 17:47.59 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And can also assign specfic units to guard specific others at specific offsets |
| 17:48.01 | ArcanePariah|Wor | ok |
| 17:48.06 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Sounds like you have that already |
| 17:48.07 | JademusSreg | Hm, seems my hypothesis is strengthened, |
| 17:49.31 | turtles1 | When you started talking about having units linked to functions I was thinking it might be a cleaner way to define unit behaviour in functions and linking the unit to the function |
| 17:49.47 | turtles1 | instead of looping through every units each 1 second |
| 17:50.02 | turtles1 | or whatever time delay I decide to set |
| 17:50.41 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, that is what you will need to do in raw galaxy script |
| 17:51.29 | turtles1 | wait, so you're saying I CAN define a hightemplar function |
| 17:51.38 | turtles1 | and link the unit type to the function |
| 17:52.28 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Yes, give me a minute or 2 to pull up the AI library which can provide you examples |
| 17:52.43 | turtles1 | ok thnaks |
| 17:53.35 | JademusSreg | Can nearly prove my theory. |
| 17:54.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | In the Unit there is a field called Tactical AI Function, that takes a string, you will place your tactical Ai function name in there. |
| 17:54.30 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also when defining the function, in the UI it was flagged as Custom AI Script |
| 17:54.37 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Which I think just sets certain parameters |
| 17:54.54 | ArcanePariah|Wor | In any case, once you see the AITHinkHighTemplar function, you will better understand |
| 17:56.33 | turtles1 | Where is AITHinkHighTemplar? |
| 17:57.45 | ArcanePariah|Wor | It is in the tactical AI library within Core |
| 17:57.47 | ArcanePariah|Wor | http://pastebin.com/bBh7h6g4 |
| 17:57.51 | ArcanePariah|Wor | This is its contents |
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| 18:11.28 | JademusSreg | Additionally MPearce and RTomson of Blizz have account on NetApp, which created (and patented) the tech. |
| 18:11.41 | JademusSreg | Good applicating, using it to cache program data locally. |
| 18:11.56 | JademusSreg | *application |
| 18:13.45 | JademusSreg | Only remaining piece of the big data puzzle is finding a utility to access it. Or code one up ourselves/ |
| 18:13.47 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 18:18.55 | Ahli | WoW uses "CASC" (Blizzard's name for just that, I believe) and heroes seemed to use something in that direction, too (from what I've heard, but it seems different). So, new extractors are required, yes. |
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| 18:21.26 | JademusSreg | Apparently there are reports that Herostorm is using CASC. |
| 18:21.54 | JademusSreg | If so, that's a plus, means there's already efforts in that direction. |
| 18:22.10 | ArcanePariah|Wor | What is CASC, google was not informative |
| 18:22.47 | ArcanePariah|Wor | But if so, this points to a massive effort to rearchitech the underlying infrastructure for all their games. |
| 18:22.51 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13645405/warlords-of-draenor?-alpha-testing-begins-4-3-2014 google harder |
| 18:24.07 | JademusSreg | Already found it. |
| 18:24.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:25.00 | JademusSreg | Appears to be more links there, too, between CASC and WAFL. |
| 18:25.07 | Ahli | so, it looks like everyone can download heroes installation now via bnet app |
| 18:26.13 | JademusSreg | 013B8DEC CASCHandler |
| 18:26.21 | JademusSreg | Gotchya. |
| 18:26.32 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Ahli: Open beta has begun? |
| 18:27.53 | Ahli | no, but I've just read that inside a shady forum |
| 18:31.35 | JademusSreg | Looks like we've got a thing: https://github.com/tomrus88/CASCExplorer |
| 18:32.28 | JademusSreg | Of course, it would need to be forked. |
| 18:32.52 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Sounds like we are going to get lots of goodies in a the coming month :D |
| 18:32.55 | ArcanePariah|Wor | or 2 |
| 18:37.09 | turtles1 | How do I find the "Core" file with the AIthink routines? |
| 18:37.41 | JademusSreg | I've got a standard galaxy library archive around here somewhere. |
| 18:39.03 | pirate | you can name UI frames whatever you want in xml right? |
| 18:40.31 | Ahli | I'm not zolden, I didn't try to name it hitler or boobs, etc, yet.... |
| 18:41.01 | pirate | hahah |
| 18:41.19 | pirate | found my error- was missing a / |
| 18:41.25 | pirate | well, had an extra / |
| 18:44.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:51.34 | turtles1 | How do I modify / replace stuff in Base.SC2Data? |
| 18:51.49 | turtles1 | where can I access things like that? |
| 18:53.40 | JademusSreg | Alright, first, don't. Second, tactical AI functions can be accessed even if they are defined in map script. Third, lemme just find that standard galaxy archive. |
| 18:58.44 | turtles1 | Also do you know if it is possible to turn on/off or set the tactical AI for specific units? the "Set tactical AI think" function description makes it sound like that's what the function does |
| 18:59.13 | turtles1 | but the parameters seem to accept a unit type not a unit |
| 18:59.24 | JademusSreg | Yes, it's doable. |
| 19:01.03 | JademusSreg | const int c_unitAIOptionUsable = 0; |
| 19:01.04 | JademusSreg | native void UnitSetAIOption (unit inUnit, int inOption, bool inVal); |
| 19:01.04 | JademusSreg | native bool UnitGetAIOption (unit inUnit, int inOption); |
| 19:01.35 | JademusSreg | native bool AIIsTacticalDisabled (unit u); |
| 19:01.45 | JademusSreg | native void AISetUnitTacticalDisabled (unit u, bool tacticalDisabled); |
| 19:01.52 | JademusSreg | native void AISetGroupTacticalDisabled (unitgroup ug, bool tacticalDisabled); |
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| 19:05.55 | turtles1 | You don't have to show me where the specific file is. But if I knew how gto access these "behind the scenes" files then I could find them myself |
| 19:06.22 | turtles1 | teach a man to fish vs give a man a fish... or something along tghose lines |
| 19:06.45 | turtles1 | get access* |
| 19:08.37 | JademusSreg | MPQ Editor and %PROGRAMFILES%/StarCraft II/ then Mods/ and also Campaigns/ and also Updates/Cache/base/ |
| 19:09.59 | JademusSreg | Start with Mods, then Campaigns, -then- extract the content of the corresponding directories in the patch-base-#####.mpq to overwrite the previously extracted files to ensure updated files are replaced. |
| 19:13.19 | DeadZergling | Up next, Pirate reveals his secrets to stalking Blizzard contest judges |
| 19:13.29 | JademusSreg | brb in 5 |
| 19:13.44 | pirate | yarr, you'll never get me secrets |
| 19:14.20 | DeadZergling | that's what the leprechaun said about his pot of gold |
| 19:14.37 | DeadZergling | some fine jerky he made |
| 19:17.22 | DeadZergling | we'll just take you out with some frozen clovers next |
| 19:18.26 | pirate | @UI masters (jade/arcane/etc) |
| 19:18.27 | pirate | https://pastee.org/wbhzz |
| 19:18.49 | pirate | what am I doing wrong |
| 19:21.02 | pirate | I feel like I'm so close to unlocking the secrets of dialogcontrolhookup |
| 19:22.28 | JademusSreg | clicks. |
| 19:22.59 | pirate | clacks |
| 19:25.04 | JademusSreg | Wat's with lines 6 and 7? |
| 19:25.52 | JademusSreg | Also, name doesn't match. |
| 19:26.10 | JademusSreg | UserStatusLifeBar vs UserStatusShieldBar |
| 19:26.16 | pirate | pretend that it does |
| 19:26.22 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 19:26.23 | pirate | you caught me at an odd time copy/pasting |
| 19:26.34 | pirate | :/ |
| 19:27.02 | pirate | was copying data from one of ahli's old maps |
| 19:27.13 | JademusSreg | Anyway, is line 6 & 7 explained by there being other frames in the scope of the first? |
| 19:27.26 | pirate | 6 & 7 was assumption that frames should be placed in some sort of global frame so I can find it later |
| 19:28.24 | JademusSreg | If there aren't other frames in the GameUI/UIContainer, should be GameUI/UIContainer/Consuleblahblah, then your frames. |
| 19:29.02 | pirate | it worked for ahli (although he was just using image frames) |
| 19:30.50 | pirate | hm, odd |
| 19:30.56 | Ahli | ? |
| 19:31.13 | pirate | throwing GameUI/ in front of UIContainer for lv_statusbar gives an error |
| 19:31.19 | pirate | no GameUI/ no error |
| 19:31.35 | pirate | regardless the hookup is not visible |
| 19:31.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, use the relative path from the parent, sillyu. |
| 19:32.16 | pirate | ConsoleUI/UserStatus ? |
| 19:32.35 | JademusSreg | "UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/UserStatus/UserStatusLifeBar" should be "UserStatusWhateverBar". |
| 19:32.50 | JademusSreg | Because it's parent already gives it the path to the instance. |
| 19:32.59 | JademusSreg | *its |
| 19:33.14 | pirate | shouldnt it be UserStatusLifeBar cuz that's what I named it? |
| 19:33.44 | JademusSreg | Except you also named is ShieldBar. |
| 19:33.53 | pirate | now I renamed it |
| 19:33.57 | JademusSreg | So it's "whatever" you're gonna call it. =D |
| 19:34.05 | pirate | and now it gives errors again |
| 19:34.14 | JademusSreg | Errors are useful. |
| 19:34.19 | Ahli | does unitstatusframe even work outside a unit status frame? |
| 19:34.33 | Ahli | the shieldedlifebar thing, etc |
| 19:34.55 | pirate | I dont think so - hence putting in a unitstatusframe |
| 19:35.18 | Ahli | and... which unit should that status frame belong to? you can't simply set that yourself I guess |
| 19:35.33 | Ahli | else Blizzard was stupid to not use that in hots campaign :D |
| 19:36.03 | pirate | I got this working yesterday by overwriting the TriggerControlTemplate |
| 19:36.27 | pirate | but I'd rather do it the 'right' way |
| 19:36.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 19:36.38 | Bounty | peow |
| 19:36.39 | JademusSreg | I've never seen script hookups to unit status in the standard code, but I've probably got a solution. |
| 19:36.49 | pirate | and strengthen my grasp of how hookups work |
| 19:37.21 | pirate | because right now its this fuzzy idea of "CRAZY XML/SCRIPT FUSION THAT SOMETIMES WORKS AND SOMETIMES DOES NOTHING AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHY" |
| 19:38.31 | JademusSreg | Oi, try DialogControlHookupStandard, then assign the dialog control property Unit your globvar test unit. |
| 19:38.45 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.32 | Ahli | wrong line :D this obviously: Dialog - Hooks up an existing Image in the Unit Status Frame for hero[p#] called "HealthBar" |
| 19:39.50 | pirate | for the record, this https://pastee.org/x6nck gives a "cannot create UserStatusLifeBar in GameUI" error and this https://pastee.org/bvsch does not |
| 19:39.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:41.07 | Ahli | DialogControlHookupStandard(c_triggerControlTypeUnitStatusBar, "UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/UserStatus/UserStatusLifeBar"); because that is a correct path |
| 19:41.14 | JademusSreg | You silly person. |
| 19:41.18 | pirate | kk, so just try DialogControlHookupStandard with the UnitStatus (leave the life/shield bar out it, yeah? It should come with the Unit Status as defined in the frame right) |
| 19:41.26 | pirate | er |
| 19:41.29 | JademusSreg | The first one requires the full path. |
| 19:41.32 | pirate | fuck I linked the wrong links |
| 19:41.50 | JademusSreg | The second one uses the parents path because it is a subframe, silly. =D |
| 19:41.51 | pirate | GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/UserStatus/UserStatusLifeBar gives error |
| 19:42.01 | pirate | I DONT UNDERSTAND |
| 19:42.05 | Ahli | "GameUI" is evil |
| 19:42.10 | pirate | clearly |
| 19:42.29 | Ahli | eradicate it along with its grim neighbor |
| 19:42.30 | A1win | there is a strange sense of miscommunication in the air |
| 19:42.39 | Ahli | neighbor is \ |
| 19:42.44 | Ahli | I mean / |
| 19:42.44 | JademusSreg | How aobut provide correct pastes pasted correctly with correctly pasted link in correct chronological order and with correctly pasted commentary and errors. |
| 19:42.50 | turtles1 | night people |
| 19:42.52 | *** part/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-12-82.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 19:44.06 | Ahli | "UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/UserStatus/UserStatusLifeBar" is a good shiny path bathing in the light rays of a huge explosion many many distance units away |
| 19:44.52 | pirate | let us forget about the error caused by GameUI |
| 19:45.17 | JademusSreg | I will refrain from responding until the complete correct script, data, comments, and errors are available. |
| 19:45.46 | pirate | BREAKTHROUGH |
| 19:45.59 | Ahli | personal or general? |
| 19:46.11 | DeadZergling | probably personal |
| 19:46.25 | DeadZergling | who the hell is excited about someone else's breakthrough around here? |
| 19:46.52 | JademusSreg | If it's a discovery, yeah. |
| 19:47.08 | pirate | https://pastee.org/japsu |
| 19:47.16 | pirate | I don't think it's a discovery |
| 19:47.27 | pirate | but that right there achieved exactly what I was looking for |
| 19:48.01 | Ahli | so, the question is, can you make that bar work? |
| 19:48.08 | A1win | 6th row is still misindented |
| 19:48.21 | pirate | tthe bar does work |
| 19:48.24 | A1win | err, 7th |
| 19:48.27 | pirate | thats from copying |
| 19:48.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster sc2println (~flo@2a02:810d:1680:242c:f66d:4ff:fe93:2e29) |
| 19:49.13 | pirate | my script files are clean and shiny and indented properly |
| 19:49.14 | JademusSreg | DialogControlSetPropertyAsUnit(status,c_triggerControlPropertyUnit,PlayerGroupAll(), testUser); |
| 19:49.32 | pirate | http://imgur.com/k9wVrBa |
| 19:49.38 | pirate | (proof that it works) |
| 19:49.41 | JademusSreg | Yet you use GUI-generated prefixes and GUI-library functions. D= |
| 19:50.07 | DeadZergling | there goes Jade, hating on GUI again |
| 19:50.14 | JademusSreg | But glad I provided the solution. =D |
| 19:50.32 | pirate | I only use GUI for experimental development yo |
| 19:51.10 | pirate | and for this week while I make a sublime text 2 galaxy extension |
| 19:51.21 | Bounty | Well, looks like my reddit post faded out JademusSreg |
| 19:51.24 | Bounty | *fist raise* |
| 19:53.40 | DeadZergling | Guess you better kill Mozart now Bounty :P |
| 19:53.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:54.08 | JademusSreg | I wonder if one were to read the comments of the other redditorials might one find comments indicating a deliberate effort to push custom game related stuff out of the first page, given the melee/league dominance. |
| 19:54.44 | Bounty | Def a possibility JademusSreg, that goes with what I was talking with Blizz about |
| 19:55.10 | JademusSreg | Rather more likely the other content was simply more popular. |
| 19:55.44 | Bounty | Or that Arcade related topics are ignored completely. |
| 19:55.55 | Bounty | but I don't think thats true |
| 19:56.02 | Merc | the subreddit is about starcraft |
| 19:56.46 | Bounty | the Arcade reddit is dead as the american buffalo |
| 19:56.58 | Bounty | although they are bringing those back now I heard, so... bad example |
| 19:57.02 | Merc | is the american buffalo really dead? |
| 19:57.23 | Bounty | was almost extinct |
| 19:57.28 | Bounty | they're bringing them back now though |
| 19:58.00 | Bounty | Native Americans used to chase them to cliffs and make entire herds fall off lol |
| 19:58.15 | Bounty | Just to get 1 |
| 19:58.38 | Merc | well they made jerky didnt they |
| 19:59.00 | Bounty | perhaps |
| 19:59.03 | DeadZergling | So much for indians using every part of the animal, never wasting any parts |
| 19:59.06 | Bounty | never had buffalo jerky |
| 19:59.08 | DeadZergling | Dancing with Wolves lied to us! |
| 19:59.30 | Bounty | lol ikr |
| 19:59.37 | Bounty | lies! |
| 19:59.37 | DeadZergling | *dances, whatever, wasn't that good of a movie anyways, lol |
| 20:00.16 | pirate | My reddit post did well |
| 20:00.24 | pirate | all of my reddit posts do well |
| 20:00.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster castironpi (~castironp@unaffiliated/castironpi) |
| 20:00.31 | pirate | strong reddit posts are an art |
| 20:00.37 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, the Herostorm garfuckingantuan slab of data is finally, definitively identified as CASC, a filesystem which is related to WAFL and operates on the same principle. Now efforts are directed toward finding means by which to open the CASC filesystem. |
| 20:00.56 | pirate | the community is predictable, and easily swayed |
| 20:01.22 | Bounty | You should just start talking like Yoda when speaking about reddit pirate |
| 20:01.52 | pirate | pirate talks however the hell he pleases |
| 20:01.54 | Bounty | An art, strong reddit posts are |
| 20:02.08 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:02.18 | DeadZergling | go kill Mozart Bounty |
| 20:02.27 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 20:02.56 | DeadZergling | said you lived your life by that movie, or you were full of shit about it |
| 20:02.58 | pirate | your problem with reddit is that you've already shot your metaphorical modding load |
| 20:03.08 | DeadZergling | if you live by that movie, any time someone does better than you, you need to kill them with poison |
| 20:03.14 | JademusSreg | Strong reddit posts are just another form of marketing, the veneer of politics and economics. Just exploit human psychology and such as would any successful advertisement. |
| 20:03.17 | pirate | you essentially get one shot on reddit |
| 20:03.21 | pirate | ^^ |
| 20:03.25 | Merc | to be horribly honest, I shot his load. |
| 20:03.37 | Merc | I did it well, though |
| 20:03.40 | pirate | unless you can catch on quickly that your post is failing and delete it early |
| 20:03.49 | pirate | you have one shot |
| 20:03.55 | pirate | reddit does not like repetition |
| 20:04.07 | pirate | any subsequent posts/videos/updates for tessera is now white nosie |
| 20:04.20 | pirate | unless it shows something widely new and different |
| 20:04.22 | Merc | you could give it a shot in /r/gaming though |
| 20:04.29 | pirate | yes |
| 20:04.42 | Merc | bit of a 50/50 |
| 20:04.50 | Merc | but phrase it well and it will do well |
| 20:04.54 | pirate | title phrasing is.. |
| 20:04.59 | pirate | yeah thats what I was about to say |
| 20:05.00 | Merc | an art |
| 20:05.06 | pirate | ^^ |
| 20:05.17 | Bounty | I thought I did well with the title for being a nub |
| 20:05.20 | Merc | or a science if you will |
| 20:05.32 | pirate | I would say art |
| 20:05.41 | pirate | you have to intuit it a bit |
| 20:06.05 | Merc | it does have a certain je ne sais quoi |
| 20:06.11 | pirate | speaking of french |
| 20:06.16 | pirate | take for instance, egod's post |
| 20:06.18 | JademusSreg | Niiice. |
| 20:06.22 | pirate | "Full Necromancer BloodRaven Quest Gameplay Footage in Stacraft 2 !?" |
| 20:06.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:06.31 | JademusSreg | No, never take ego's anything. |
| 20:06.43 | pirate | we have to give him a break for being ESL |
| 20:07.10 | Bounty | ESL? |
| 20:07.12 | Ahli | how many videos did he post so far? 20? |
| 20:07.14 | pirate | but I'm sure the inherent issues with this title are apparent to you |
| 20:07.25 | pirate | (english as a second language) |
| 20:07.27 | DeadZergling | Can he at least spell starcraft right |
| 20:07.29 | Bounty | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/28j3qq/tessera_v15_video_showcasing_what_you_should/ |
| 20:07.38 | Bounty | what is wrong with the title pirate? |
| 20:07.53 | DeadZergling | didn't know ESL meant you suck at pasting titles |
| 20:08.08 | pirate | that being your 3rd tessera video is a problem, alone, but for title feedback |
| 20:08.22 | Merc | you gonna compare notes Bounty :p |
| 20:08.30 | pirate | piece by piece |
| 20:08.36 | pirate | sec |
| 20:08.38 | Merc | delving deep into the dark arts now |
| 20:08.51 | Bounty | well I know your theory is controversy Merc |
| 20:08.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:09.05 | JademusSreg | For those who missed it earlier: https://pastee.org/h9z4g |
| 20:09.08 | Merc | hey I am ESL too, give me a break |
| 20:09.13 | JademusSreg | WOO SEKRITS |
| 20:09.28 | Merc | not controversy, but it needs to spark that ego |
| 20:09.31 | JademusSreg | Eskimo Sign Language? |
| 20:09.36 | Bounty | What is that JademusSreg? |
| 20:09.40 | Bounty | I see Marketplace |
| 20:09.44 | pirate | and when will they reveal phoenix |
| 20:09.47 | pirate | and what is pegasus? |
| 20:09.51 | JademusSreg | No idea. |
| 20:09.59 | pirate | phoenix has been on the docket forever |
| 20:10.22 | JademusSreg | PS_AUTOMATION |
| 20:10.25 | pirate | maybe its old/overlap since heroes and blizz all stars are both on there? |
| 20:10.29 | JademusSreg | Quite curious |
| 20:10.36 | Merc | what could PS stand for |
| 20:10.42 | Bounty | Peagasus and Phoenix are right next to marketplace ironically |
| 20:11.05 | Ahli | phoenix was sc2 phoenix... so... sc ghost... >_> |
| 20:11.34 | Merc | could be code word playing on "phoenix from the ashes" as well |
| 20:11.40 | Merc | abandoned project brought back |
| 20:11.42 | Ahli | *phoenix was "sc2 phoenix" in that leaked thing many years back... so... sc ghost maybe... >_> |
| 20:11.42 | Merc | ghost :P |
| 20:11.50 | JademusSreg | Don't currently have any idea what the PS might be, so feel free to speculate wildly. |
| 20:11.52 | Bounty | marketplace from the ashes? |
| 20:11.53 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:12.01 | pirate | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/blizzardslate.jpg |
| 20:12.10 | Merc | what is this in relation to though, battle net client? |
| 20:12.22 | Ahli | phoenix, marketplace? |
| 20:13.02 | Ahli | but marketplace is there and obvious |
| 20:16.53 | DeadZergling | lol, I misread that link at first |
| 20:17.01 | DeadZergling | thought it was Blizzards late |
| 20:17.17 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, got some leads on CASC, including useful information and some tools which may require forking: https://gist.github.com/galedric/b34f14dd93381498a7a1 |
| 20:21.43 | pirate | ok |
| 20:21.48 | pirate | bounty |
| 20:21.51 | pirate | you ready? |
| 20:22.21 | pirate | A) [Tessera]-Don't demarcate like this. Include your title somewhere in the sentence. Otherwise you're alienating those who haven't heard of it (the very audience you're trying to grow). This is the first thing they see. "wtf is 'Tessera' and what is it doing on my sc front page- downvote. |
| 20:22.28 | pirate | B) v1.5 Video-It's a youtube link. They know it's a video. v1.5 has no context to the hive mind and is thus meaningless. |
| 20:22.36 | pirate | C) Showcasing what you should expect from the Arcade-First off this is false. People should expect TDs and shitty tug games because that's what 95% of the arcade is, no matter how hopeful we can be. Second, what does this have to do with the new features you're trying to show off? That's the purpose of this video, yes? Why have I read 75% of your title and don't know that. |
| 20:22.41 | pirate | D) Embrace it if you enjoy!-What. No. Stop. This is meaningless filler that doesn't even sound like english. This sounds like something a korean might add. Which might actually help you in r/starcraft, but still shouldn't be what you're aiming for. Use exclamation marks extremely sparingly. They make people take you less seriously. Have you ever seen a blizzard post or mod post with a title that ends in an exclamation mark? |
| 20:22.47 | pirate | E) Proposed better title, given the overall context of your Tessera marketing campaign: "New features added this week to Tessera, my 3PS arcade mod. Don't fall to your death" |
| 20:28.26 | pirate | @ahli / anyone with heroes, *my* smurf account is bOOtzNcATz #1803 if you wanna stomp some fools |
| 20:29.59 | DeadZergling | well Bounty may suck at redditing, but he sure is good at making comments in here to get merc/pirate to bail him out, lol |
| 20:30.46 | pirate | growing the scene helps all of us |
| 20:32.22 | ArcanePariah|Wor | pirate, I'll take you up on that this evening :D |
| 20:33.08 | pirate | kk -- I'm only competent at nova and arthas (took me awhile to figure out he's only really good at tanking and initiating) |
| 20:33.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Alrighty, I'll just do abathur then :D |
| 20:34.33 | JademusSreg | Anyway, employing some lateral thinking on the process, CDN delivers content to the app, the data either stays in memory transiently or is cached (or CASC'd hurr hurr) in the filesystem. The index presumably indicates where in the filesystem any given data unit is located, perhaps a memory offset referenced by an hashed string address. The config files would reasonably contain either metadata |
| 20:34.33 | JademusSreg | about the files, how they are handled, possible encryption schemes, maybe even the keys, file names, stuff not strictly concerned with either the content or where that content is located. That /data/data.### is all the stuff, index points to it, config defines how it should be handled, or some such. shmem could be a helpful lookup for available memory, rather like how a list implementation |
| 20:34.33 | JademusSreg | might maintain a counter to assist in determining when to allocate more memory, when to move items so as to reduce unallocated/deallocated memory. |
| 20:42.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster paynis (18edf345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.243.69) |
| 20:46.36 | pirate | I'm going to have to make two different health bars to have shields displayed over top health, aren't I |
| 20:46.53 | JademusSreg | Dunno, what have you tried? |
| 20:47.03 | ArcanePariah|Wor | pirate: yes |
| 20:47.05 | JademusSreg | And have you looked in the standard data for references? |
| 20:47.08 | pirate | messing with <ApplyToTotal val="#bool" index="#0"/> |
| 20:47.08 | paynis | hey |
| 20:47.16 | paynis | how will the Rock The Cabinet work exactly? |
| 20:47.24 | paynis | Blizzard tests the 79 entries and choose 10, and then it's public vote? |
| 20:47.25 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Which part? |
| 20:47.32 | pirate | *81 entries |
| 20:47.32 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Presumably |
| 20:47.40 | paynis | 81?! |
| 20:47.58 | pirate | Team4Quest and Bloodbath were added post-announcement |
| 20:48.37 | paynis | how come? |
| 20:48.54 | pirate | I presume error on blizzards part |
| 20:48.58 | paynis | also, why does "StarParty" submission have a "[NS]" next to the name of the authors? |
| 20:49.14 | pirate | the initial announcement post appeared rushed |
| 20:49.22 | JademusSreg | pir, show me what you've got currently, what you've tried that didn't work. |
| 20:49.57 | pirate | It's not a worry jade, I know what must be done |
| 20:50.23 | paynis | but yeah, do we know for sure how the elimination process will work? |
| 20:50.47 | pirate | blizz picks there favorite 10? |
| 20:51.11 | paynis | confirmed, they actually posted about that |
| 20:51.14 | paynis | http://us.battle.net/arcade/en/blog/14406238/rock-the-cabinet-the-final-submissions-6-10-2014. |
| 20:51.28 | paynis | I wish I could try all those maps |
| 20:51.30 | pirate | I wouldnt lie to you |
| 20:51.33 | paynis | which one you think will win? |
| 20:51.37 | paynis | have you tried StarParty? :D |
| 20:52.51 | pirate | my predictions: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67486-collated-contest-submissions/#p2 |
| 20:53.57 | paynis | g2g |
| 20:53.59 | paynis | have a good day |
| 20:54.10 | pirate | odd fellow |
| 21:02.34 | JademusSreg | Yes. One may safely assume it is a fellow, given the name. |
| 21:04.05 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: adorable that herostorm has this dll in its support directory: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms679291(v=vs.85).aspx |
| 21:08.11 | DeadZergling | or kidney issues |
| 21:08.11 | DeadZergling | one might also assume he has urinary tract infection |
| 21:08.14 | pirate | did MasterWrath make sotis? |
| 21:08.16 | DeadZergling | given the name |
| 21:08.39 | JademusSreg | Hm, fair point, Deadz. |
| 21:08.57 | pirate | pew pew http://i.imgur.com/1WUft32.gif |
| 21:09.18 | JademusSreg | pir, Wrath worked on it, came here for UI/texture-related stuff, as I recall. |
| 21:09.28 | pirate | ah |
| 21:09.31 | DeadZergling | that ghost seems to enjoy self mutilation |
| 21:09.47 | pirate | its to show off my new life bar layout |
| 21:09.56 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:10.01 | pirate | and also prove wrath wrong (he said that shit couldnt be done) |
| 21:10.12 | JademusSreg | I said it could be done -years- ago. |
| 21:10.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster paynis (18edf345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.243.69) |
| 21:10.17 | JademusSreg | I told him how. |
| 21:10.20 | pirate | this is the second time I've shown him up on UI/layout stuff |
| 21:10.23 | JademusSreg | Guess he didn't even try. |
| 21:10.37 | pirate | lol I knew it was possible, I just needed some help getting there :P |
| 21:11.09 | pirate | and now I can manipulate it as a dialog control and this makes me SO happy |
| 21:11.17 | JademusSreg | Glad to help you and, more importantly, demonstrate technical superiority over others with you. =D |
| 21:11.32 | DeadZergling | speaking of epeeners |
| 21:11.34 | JademusSreg | ♥♥♥ |
| 21:11.36 | DeadZergling | look who is back |
| 21:12.46 | DeadZergling | We assumed you were male from the name, paynis , but do you call yourself paynis to let others know you have a urinary tract infection or kidney issues ? |
| 21:13.42 | paynis | well, my actual nickname, "payne", was banned... |
| 21:13.56 | paynis | so I thought it was clever to be a smart-ass about it and rename myself paynis :D |
| 21:14.11 | Bounty | Tapeekaderpa |
| 21:14.14 | JademusSreg | Banned? |
| 21:14.23 | paynis | Yes, banned. |
| 21:14.28 | Ahli | bannned! |
| 21:14.35 | DeadZergling | yea, just the way it is spelled, thought perhaps you had penis pains |
| 21:14.36 | paynis | oh hi Ahli :3 |
| 21:14.40 | paynis | what's up? |
| 21:14.40 | Ahli | hi payn... is |
| 21:14.47 | JademusSreg | Banned from where for what purpose? |
| 21:14.50 | pirate | bounty did you even ready my title critique? |
| 21:14.57 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:15.04 | paynis | Banned from sc2mapster, because Sixen is a dick, how's that? :D |
| 21:15.21 | JademusSreg | Starting to sound familiar. |
| 21:15.34 | paynis | I don't really feel like saying the whole story just to convince people that I wasn't in the wrong, so yeah.. |
| 21:15.44 | paynis | you're just going to have to consider I'm a good guy, or ban me : |
| 21:15.47 | paynis | :> |
| 21:15.47 | JademusSreg | Don't worry, I don't actually care. |
| 21:15.50 | JademusSreg | Merely curious. |
| 21:16.02 | DeadZergling | I just wanted to know about your problems down south |
| 21:16.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:16.13 | paynis | basically, Sixen thought I was too pushy about mentioning "staredit.net" |
| 21:17.02 | Ahli | (after sixen went around in several different forums mentioning sc2mapster.com quite a bit) |
| 21:17.21 | paynis | quite blatantly |
| 21:17.37 | paynis | and then I can't remember what exact thing got me kicked out, but it was quite bs |
| 21:17.49 | paynis | I think it was a post somewhere on the forum |
| 21:17.55 | paynis | i wonder if it's archived |
| 21:18.14 | Ahli | (leading to me waiting to join like a year after I could have joined and help people) |
| 21:19.04 | JademusSreg | If this was during, say, 2009/2010, sc2m's CurseForge overlords probably wanted to dominate the custom scene and extract delicious revenue and in all likelihood would demand such draconian response as banning. |
| 21:19.50 | DeadZergling | true, some sites really favor the Procrustean approach to certain topics. |
| 21:20.00 | JademusSreg | But to my knowledge, sc2m is the CurseForge black sheep, has been for a couple years, since it's never been profitable, since the marketplace failed to materialize. |
| 21:20.03 | DeadZergling | I got myself warned/temp banned on the EQ forums for the mere mention of Project 99 |
| 21:20.12 | pirate | it seems we have won this pile of dirt |
| 21:20.18 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 21:20.26 | paynis | http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/payne007/ |
| 21:20.30 | paynis | ah, I was payne007 actually |
| 21:20.48 | JademusSreg | Yup, nailed it. |
| 21:21.02 | Bounty | dat reason |
| 21:21.04 | Bounty | "Because" |
| 21:21.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:21.20 | paynis | haha |
| 21:21.37 | paynis | please don't mind the 2 crappy maps under my name |
| 21:21.39 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/Taintedwisp/ |
| 21:21.40 | paynis | I've done better, since :p |
| 21:21.57 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 21:22.01 | paynis | I thought Taintedwisp was a productive member |
| 21:22.18 | DeadZergling | so did he |
| 21:22.35 | Bounty | Sounds like you're looking to get your reason for being banned to be more like his paynis |
| 21:22.41 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:22.43 | DeadZergling | TW still sneaks on here as Obscene every now an then |
| 21:23.04 | DeadZergling | You kill Mozart yet Bounty ? |
| 21:23.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:23.16 | paynis | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/7676-whut/#p2 |
| 21:23.28 | JademusSreg | He was/is/his alts continue to be, but there was this whole thing, he held the Idiot Ball that week, said a great amount of stupid shit, and he was banned. |
| 21:23.37 | paynis | back into the drama, that's mildly interesting |
| 21:23.54 | JademusSreg | But I was kind enough to unban and reban him to change the ban message to something less unflattering. |
| 21:24.32 | JademusSreg | Figured my ban message is funnier and generally more accurate. |
| 21:24.35 | pirate | back to UnitStatusShieldedHealthBar - how can I make a bar that ONLY displays shield |
| 21:24.48 | JademusSreg | pir, show me what you have so far. |
| 21:24.55 | DeadZergling | guessing the answer to that one isn't blue |
| 21:25.25 | Ahli | pirate, tell me in case you slap a developer enough to copy paste lifebar code for shieldbar |
| 21:25.31 | pirate | https://pastee.org/p5eae |
| 21:25.45 | pirate | slap? |
| 21:26.01 | pirate | design: |
| 21:26.31 | Ahli | because heroes is essentially a dota clone in most ways and not sc2, it has no possibility of displaying max amount of shields in those bars |
| 21:27.11 | Ahli | since shields are only used for temporary shields in that and not as a different kind of life that you might want to refill or check its percentage... |
| 21:27.32 | pirate | the Shell() ability grants a brief invulnerability shield. I want to show that in the UI by having a yellow/gold 'overshield' that expands over top of the health bar when you activate Shell(). This is achieved by having Shell() also grant a shield bonus (which has no real effect since you become immune to damage anyway) |
| 21:27.47 | pirate | lol, that's exactly how I want to use it |
| 21:27.57 | pirate | but I need this functionality for how I'd like to display it |
| 21:28.22 | JademusSreg | Related, in case the prefered optimal solution is not available, what unit vitals/resources do your mechanics currently use? |
| 21:28.35 | Ahli | put image above that, show it when that shield is enabled, hide otherwise |
| 21:28.46 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Has anyone seen the self proclaimed PR/Corporate expert, Fockewulf around? |
| 21:29.02 | pirate | my thinking is to have two layered UnitStatusShieldedHealthBars, have one for shields, one for life |
| 21:29.03 | paynis | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/1396-random-micro-arena-unit-combos/ did they delete some of my posts too? what is this |
| 21:29.13 | JademusSreg | Arc, not in years, not directly, that is to say, haha. |
| 21:29.31 | pirate | vitals: each user has 64/64 life, 0/0 shields |
| 21:29.33 | Ahli | he runs around on Blizz NA forums from time to time |
| 21:29.39 | JademusSreg | pir, do you use energy? |
| 21:29.43 | ArcanePariah|Wor | pirate: that would be optimal or instead of a status bar, simply place a progress bar over |
| 21:29.49 | pirate | ooh |
| 21:29.53 | pirate | progress bar kinda makes more sense |
| 21:29.54 | Ahli | last thing I remember was in february with his contest comment |
| 21:30.02 | ArcanePariah|Wor | And when the shell activates, set progress value to max value |
| 21:30.03 | paynis | -rename AhIi |
| 21:30.08 | JademusSreg | Energy can be forced to act as shields directly. |
| 21:30.14 | JademusSreg | And vice versa. |
| 21:30.14 | paynis | :o |
| 21:30.14 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Thus covering the unit status bar over |
| 21:30.17 | pirate | I'll be using energy to keep track of Turn() though |
| 21:30.29 | pirate | @Arcane I think I like this solution the best |
| 21:30.35 | JademusSreg | But why not use progress for tunr. =\ |
| 21:30.41 | JademusSreg | *Turn? |
| 21:30.43 | ArcanePariah|Wor | ^ or charges |
| 21:31.08 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Player Charge (without knowing anything about the design) sounds better |
| 21:31.13 | JademusSreg | Progress bar for Turn makes sense if it's timed, otherwise use the Ammo/Cargo display. |
| 21:31.18 | pirate | Turn() needs to be kept track of like energy -- max and remamining, and the ability to regen |
| 21:31.26 | pirate | Turn won't be timed |
| 21:31.31 | pirate | er, not directly anyway |
| 21:31.37 | JademusSreg | UnitStatusProgressBar UnitStatusDurationBar UnitStatusEnergyBar |
| 21:31.40 | JademusSreg | Behold! |
| 21:31.40 | pirate | right |
| 21:31.59 | pirate | how do 'activate' a progress bar/status duration bar in data? |
| 21:32.02 | JademusSreg | Plus UnitStatusAmmo |
| 21:32.03 | JademusSreg | Bam. |
| 21:32.09 | ArcanePariah|Wor | StatusDuration is for behavbiors |
| 21:32.26 | pirate | ah |
| 21:32.35 | ArcanePariah|Wor | UnitStatusProgress is for any ability with a time to cast, or for units with a progress ability and stages to casting stuff |
| 21:32.42 | pirate | I mean Shell() is a behavior, but there are plenty of other behaviors that shouldnt overlap the life bar |
| 21:32.47 | pirate | oh |
| 21:32.58 | JademusSreg | 4 bars (well, 3 + weird discrete subframe bar). |
| 21:32.59 | pirate | hrm |
| 21:33.33 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Also, you could create a custom UnitStatusDuration and assign a specific behavior I believe. JademusSreg is there not a native for UnitStatusBehavior in DialogItems? |
| 21:33.48 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Shield+Health bar over a Health bar makes sense. |
| 21:33.50 | Ahli | unitstatusammo working? |
| 21:33.50 | ArcanePariah|Wor | For some reason I want to think there is |
| 21:33.57 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Why wouldn't it? |
| 21:34.10 | Ahli | well, I don't know how to set it up to make it wok |
| 21:34.13 | Ahli | *work |
| 21:34.23 | JademusSreg | Did you look in the standard UI? |
| 21:34.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:34.27 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Well, it would need to be inside a Unit Status frame, and for a unit with an arm magazine ability |
| 21:34.36 | Ahli | yes, like 1-2 years ago |
| 21:34.40 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 21:34.45 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Probably need to assign the arm magazine ability to it I imiagine |
| 21:34.56 | JademusSreg | And itr certainly works in Herostorm, too. |
| 21:35.03 | Ahli | when I made that map everyone uses now to copy paste code from |
| 21:35.17 | pirate | you can assign UnitStatusDuration to a specific behavior? |
| 21:35.21 | pirate | because that would be perfect |
| 21:35.31 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/fvn2q |
| 21:35.32 | Ahli | duration is your duration bar |
| 21:35.36 | ArcanePariah|Wor | I think so, but I'm not sure |
| 21:36.18 | JademusSreg | Well, actors can define unit status frames. |
| 21:36.27 | JademusSreg | So there is some manner of remote possibility. |
| 21:36.43 | paynis | https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1M1iVN0-ivv4m6Cd7ih-eQy8qV07sgkXzBdkAE6--nho&hl=en&pli=1 oh shit, how can we save this? no idea how relevant it is but it could be a good tutorial going to trash :( |
| 21:37.24 | JademusSreg | I made a copy. |
| 21:37.37 | JademusSreg | Good to have a starting point. |
| 21:37.51 | paynis | i made a copy too, wee |
| 21:37.55 | ArcanePariah|Wor | pirate: Yes, there is a Dialog Action to assing a behavior to a unit status bar |
| 21:38.16 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Set Dialog Item Behavior: This sets the behavior for the dialog item. Supported for Dialog Items of type Unit Status Duration Bar |
| 21:38.21 | pirate | oh nice |
| 21:38.29 | pirate | that could have quite a few applications |
| 21:38.37 | paynis | hey, who has tested a good bunch of the submitted maps for the RTC contest? |
| 21:38.51 | pirate | I've played a good number of them |
| 21:38.58 | ArcanePariah|Wor | Have not had any time, work is great/suck :D |
| 21:39.17 | paynis | are they all pretty good, or some of them are just complete trash? |
| 21:39.34 | pirate | I would say at least 50% are complete trash |
| 21:40.22 | JademusSreg | Safe to assume many are green furry chocolate bunnies. |
| 21:40.41 | paynis | lolwut |
| 21:40.45 | JademusSreg | Remainder is mostly skittles. |
| 21:40.58 | pirate | furry.. like moldy? |
| 21:40.59 | Bounty | oh god |
| 21:41.07 | JademusSreg | Some are boxes of nerds. |
| 21:41.10 | Bounty | the candy lecture is upon us |
| 21:41.15 | JademusSreg | A few jolly ranchers, jaw breakers. |
| 21:41.27 | pirate | bounty I poured my heart into that title critique |
| 21:41.48 | JademusSreg | Dunno if any are cheesecake or keylime pie. The winner might be whichever is closest to beef jerky. |
| 21:41.49 | Bounty | I know pirate, I just have nothing to say in response |
| 21:41.55 | paynis | payne is now lost |
| 21:42.01 | Bounty | not in a negative way |
| 21:42.53 | JademusSreg | I use the Confection&Candy review system. |
| 21:45.38 | JademusSreg | Various edibles are employed as shorthand for the quantitative and qualtitative experience of the gameplay analogous to the experiences of eating the food referent. |
| 21:47.48 | JademusSreg | So just recall what it's like to eat said food, and that's the review's content. |
| 21:50.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:51.08 | paynis | who has played |
| 21:51.13 | paynis | "StarParty", here? |
| 21:51.20 | pirate | aye |
| 21:51.42 | Bounty | I saw it, saw enough |
| 21:51.47 | Bounty | themusic is a genius though lol |
| 21:51.53 | paynis | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13019341989 |
| 21:52.05 | paynis | themusic is a very cool guy |
| 21:52.37 | Bounty | It will likely do well since its basically an updated/improved Raynor Party |
| 21:52.47 | Bounty | and I don't think he updates Raynor Party anymore |
| 21:53.19 | Bounty | here is my game paynis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOSnPnZnTE |
| 21:53.20 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:54.06 | paynis | so, Bounty, in how many days did you pull it, in the end? |
| 21:54.18 | Bounty | 1 month |
| 21:54.18 | JademusSreg | brb in 10, gotta spit out a few mouthfuls of blood |
| 21:54.49 | Bounty | Would have liked to have more time but hey |
| 21:54.51 | Bounty | watcha gonna do |
| 21:55.43 | paynis | you did wait a good bunch of time before starting |
| 21:55.49 | paynis | lazy bastard :p |
| 21:55.58 | Bounty | nay |
| 21:56.10 | Bounty | got held up by my job |
| 21:56.20 | Bounty | the first portion when I was constantly brainstorming, yes I wasted that time |
| 21:56.42 | Bounty | could have started, then worked on the NCU project and then came back to it af ter |
| 22:02.46 | paynis | just watched the YouTube video quickly: looking really good |
| 22:02.54 | paynis | you probably have a good chance of winning with that :) |
| 22:03.05 | paynis | not sure if I saw that 4D stuff, though, Bounty |
| 22:03.21 | Bounty | I revamped the concept |
| 22:03.29 | Bounty | to make it more accessible |
| 22:03.55 | Bounty | Going for complexity in a competition that has a popularity vote could have hurt me |
| 22:04.08 | Bounty | and its one of the judging criteria |
| 22:05.19 | paynis | it did seem quite complex when you were talking about it |
| 22:05.26 | paynis | it would have been hard to make it accessible, like you say |
| 22:05.40 | paynis | so you just made different 3D maps, right? |
| 22:05.54 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:06.10 | Bounty | I figured I should still aim for a technical achievement |
| 22:06.15 | Bounty | so... fully 3D shooter in SC2 |
| 22:06.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:07.18 | paynis | g2g |
| 22:07.19 | paynis | cyall |
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| 22:12.18 | Bounty | charys berries |
| 22:12.46 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl5JDzvkEA0 |
| 22:12.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:16.30 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/8BKwXip.gif |
| 22:16.32 | pirate | mua ha ha |
| 22:17.09 | pirate | I can't decide between counting down and counting up |
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| 22:28.49 | JademusSreg | Depends. |
| 22:29.01 | JademusSreg | Wat's the design? |
| 22:29.59 | pirate | brief invulnerability shield |
| 22:30.08 | JademusSreg | Down. |
| 22:30.23 | pirate | does make more sense |
| 22:33.12 | pirate | now that this pesky status bar is out of the way, onto function selection |
| 22:33.23 | JademusSreg | General rule, design progression displays to fill in favor, move toward anticipation. A temporary invulnerability shield is favorable, so the filling represents that favor, something desiravle, beneficial, and it decreases toward the anticipated end of that benefit. |
| 22:34.01 | JademusSreg | Inverse, producing a unit, the unit is the favorable thing, filling toward the anticipation of its completion. |
| 22:34.33 | JademusSreg | Haha, typos. |
| 22:36.04 | pirate | do you think supergiant will care if I use the same font they used? |
| 22:36.11 | A1win | in short, full bar = good, empty bar = bad |
| 22:36.19 | pirate | can't argue with that |
| 22:36.28 | pirate | actually no, they can't care |
| 22:36.34 | pirate | http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Raleway |
| 22:36.51 | JademusSreg | If it's open type, definitely not, otherwise, no, haha. |
| 22:36.58 | A1win | sure they can care, question is do you care that they care |
| 22:38.23 | pirate | I would care if they cared |
| 22:38.29 | JademusSreg | The polite (professional) approach would be to ask, just prior to public release. |
| 22:38.30 | pirate | but it's an open source font so they cant |
| 22:38.40 | A1win | you have an odd definition of "care" |
| 22:39.09 | pirate | I have no intention of bothering them- I like their games so much I'm making my own homage |
| 22:39.37 | pirate | asking sounds like the good idea |
| 22:39.39 | JademusSreg | That way, when you ask, you can show them a lovely video, perhaps they'll adore it, perhaps they'll play it with you, give you a tour of their studio, et cetera. |
| 22:39.59 | pirate | ^^ |
| 22:40.15 | pirate | I toured valve once |
| 22:40.24 | pirate | I would love to tour blizzard hq |
| 22:44.48 | JademusSreg | Valve seems like one of a few personal Ideal Occupational Environments. Another on my list is DARPA. |
| 22:51.19 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, compiling a new Galaxy Standard Library reference, researching the CASC filesystem, and making vector graphic arcade cabinet logo. |
| 22:51.40 | pirate | logo..? |
| 22:55.20 | JademusSreg | Designing an animation video production workflow, figure making a logo/branding card for his videos would be a good practice project. |
| 22:56.52 | Ahli | tries to read Jade's statement as a leak that he really works at Blizzard... why else isn't he knowledgeable about everything without building anything... must be the only reasonable explanation... |
| 22:57.27 | pirate | ^^^^^ |
| 22:57.41 | pirate | but then why is he leaking heroes alpha strings? |
| 22:57.46 | pirate | clearly to cover his tracks |
| 22:58.14 | Ahli | indeed |
| 22:59.28 | JademusSreg | To be fair/logical, working at/for Blizzard and producing content in/for the community aren't mutually exclusive. Haha |
| 23:00.18 | pirate | yes but none of has have any idea what youre talking about when you go on extracted data tangents |
| 23:00.50 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of a little anecdote. |
| 23:01.22 | Bounty | If JademusSreg works at Blizzard then I think that means I definitely never will |
| 23:01.30 | Bounty | >.< |
| 23:07.32 | JademusSreg | As a child, in the company of my father who at the time worked as police canine trainer, I learned about dogs. When I hung out with film geeks, I learned about cinema and how to sound like I had a lot to say about movies I'd never seen. Around indie musicians, I learned about their instruments and equipment and how to speak passionately about mundane things. I learned about compilers while |
| 23:07.32 | JademusSreg | hanging out with CS-majors, and I learned about islam hanging out with a very-beared, very-white, very neurotic muslim. Et cetera. |
| 23:08.37 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, if I don't know what someone is talking about, I'll listen and learn from it. =D |
| 23:09.09 | Bounty | *applause* |
| 23:10.33 | Ahli | so, maybe I just got 2 more people into heroes alpha... time will tell... |
| 23:11.24 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/14525391/gameheart-at-blizzard-6-19-2014 |
| 23:11.30 | JademusSreg | While I don't expect others to just learn shit on their own starting from some conversations, can't fault myself for trying to open a door, haha. |
| 23:11.48 | JademusSreg | Awww, that's adorable. |
| 23:12.50 | Bounty | Yeah, it would appear the gameheart guy works at Blizz now |
| 23:12.54 | pirate | yarg, you cant make your own InventoryPanel frames? |
| 23:14.50 | Ahli | well, just this month |
| 23:15.19 | A1win | bloargh, shouldn't have snoozed from 13:00 to 16:30 or something, no idea how I managed to do that anyway, that's hitting the snooze button like 21 times, once every 10 minutes x_X |
| 23:15.36 | Bounty | lol a1win |
| 23:15.37 | A1win | and it was on my android tablet so I had to make a bit of effort for it |
| 23:15.43 | Bounty | nicely done |
| 23:15.52 | Ahli | lol |
| 23:16.03 | JademusSreg | pir, don't be so quick to "can't". =D |
| 23:17.16 | JademusSreg | Ahli, does the panel template trick still work or was it patched out? |
| 23:17.30 | Ahli | why would they patch that out? |
| 23:17.46 | Ahli | it's not that anyone uses that interface making it publicly known |
| 23:17.51 | Deaod | Jade, how similar is CASC to MPQ? |
| 23:17.52 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 23:18.09 | Ahli | and most likely, unless it breaks something, I guess they don't care |
| 23:18.24 | JademusSreg | It's similar insofar as they both contain files and ostensibly list them. |
| 23:19.08 | pirate | I mean, I can probably achieve what Id like to achieve by overwriting the default InventoryPanel, but making my own would be so much nicer |
| 23:19.22 | JademusSreg | Which is to say very dissimilar. |
| 23:19.35 | ArcanePariah|Wor | lol, A1win is a zombie |
| 23:19.49 | JademusSreg | pir, you can definitely make your own one way or another. |
| 23:19.58 | JademusSreg | Let's see the xml paste. =D |
| 23:20.18 | ArcanePariah|Wor | You can make any frame, just they will require you to manually update them. |
| 23:20.29 | ArcanePariah|Wor | At least I think that is the case |
| 23:21.13 | pirate | https://pastee.org/6xvkn |
| 23:21.26 | JademusSreg | Deaod, I'm still in the process of researching it; collecting all the available information online before I take another crack at studying the local data. |
| 23:21.31 | pirate | error: fuck you, InventoryPanel is marked blizzard only |
| 23:22.11 | JademusSreg | Forking that crappy CASCExplorer might be an option, haven't examined the source yet. |
| 23:22.27 | JademusSreg | -BUT- there may be solutions within the available reosurces. |
| 23:22.50 | pirate | change [4] <Frame type="InventoryPanel" name="FunctionSelect"> to <Frame type="InventoryPanel" name="InventoryPanel"> and boom stuff has changed |
| 23:23.13 | Deaod | well, worst case someone could look at the binaries |
| 23:23.39 | JademusSreg | I have been. |
| 23:24.27 | JademusSreg | Found plenty of amusing stuff, including a dll produced by Razer for whatever cross-promotional techporn they have planned. |
| 23:24.56 | Deaod | youre analyzing the hots alpha client, right? |
| 23:25.12 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/yzvvg |
| 23:25.21 | JademusSreg | Yep. A legit install, this time. |
| 23:25.50 | Deaod | so you can actually participate in the alpha? |
| 23:26.30 | JademusSreg | Fun fact, the battlenet client i configured explicitly to delete Herostorm/Blizzallstars editor if it's in the Herostorm program files directory. |
| 23:26.42 | JademusSreg | Yep, I'm in the alpha legitimately. |
| 23:26.54 | Deaod | cool |
| 23:26.57 | Deaod | cool |
| 23:27.02 | Deaod | sry |
| 23:27.08 | JademusSreg | sry? |
| 23:27.25 | Deaod | i didnt know i had scrolled a bit upwards |
| 23:27.28 | JademusSreg | See the paste? Amusing. |
| 23:27.33 | Deaod | thus said the same thing twice |
| 23:27.37 | JademusSreg | Ah, haha, no worries. |
| 23:27.42 | Deaod | yes, a razer APM module |
| 23:28.14 | JademusSreg | With embedded references, presumably to provide feedback for given events. |
| 23:28.45 | JademusSreg | Oh, right, about the possible alternate solution. |
| 23:28.54 | Deaod | is this only the strings of the razer module? |
| 23:29.43 | JademusSreg | Within the battlenet cache are various file extensions, some of which mask binaries, MZ executables. |
| 23:30.35 | JademusSreg | Yep, that's just the razer, one moment while I link spam. |
| 23:31.05 | JademusSreg | After I change the waste-satchel of my larval progeny. |
| 23:31.46 | Deaod | ah |
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| 23:44.18 | JademusSreg | First: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/Herostorm%2030509%20Strings.txt |
| 23:45.52 | JademusSreg | Followed by in now particular order: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/Herostorm%20Achievements.achv.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/Herostorm%20Licenses.cata.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/Herostorm%20Product%20Catalog.cata.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/Herostorm%20s2%20Questline.s2ql.tx |
| 23:45.53 | JademusSreg | t https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/OMG%20FRIENDSHIP.xp.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Herostorm/Battle.net.dll%20strings.txt |
| 23:46.32 | JademusSreg | Still have a ton of data to mine, but gotta prioritize, since solving the CASC problem would yield the most benefit. |
| 23:47.05 | Deaod | did i give you the IDA plugin for exporting strings? |
| 23:47.24 | Deaod | i vaguely remember writing something because of hots |
| 23:48.55 | JademusSreg | I forget, but no worries. Eventually I'll get around to "See Eee Sixtythree" and mine from the process memory rather than merely the image. |
| 23:48.59 | JademusSreg | brb in 10 |
| 23:52.27 | pirate | I have returned |
| 23:55.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster xaslisx (xdi3d@d27-96-67-20.nap.wideopenwest.com) |
| 23:57.15 | grim001 | ... |
| 23:58.01 | pirate | >.> |
| 23:59.49 | Deaod | ... |
