| 00:08.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster EntityEnigma (629696b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.150.150.178) |
| 00:13.16 | pirate | @DZ/Jade - the funny thing about your 0° aiming arc is that since I launch the missile a few frames before the line search, if your turn immediately after casting the two become unaligned, dealing double damage in a wider area |
| 00:37.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:39.02 | pirate | which I then fixed by giving all relevant abilities an uninterruptable channel time |
| 00:39.13 | pirate | did you see my shiny base abilities, jade? |
| 00:40.28 | JademusSreg | Hm, not that I recall. |
| 00:41.16 | pirate | http://imgur.com/a/5PyTM |
| 00:42.32 | JademusSreg | Faaabulous. =D |
| 00:43.39 | pirate | I've emulated smart casting with mouse events which is fine for local development, but I must wait for blizzard to get up to speed with smart casting before I can release |
| 00:45.13 | JademusSreg | What's the smart cast issue? |
| 00:46.16 | pirate | this game requires moba style smart case to maximum fun -- where when you press the hotkey the abilities fires at the mouse position |
| 00:46.35 | pirate | it's a feature in (or confirmed coming) to heroes |
| 00:46.39 | JademusSreg | Ahh. |
| 00:46.48 | pirate | so I'll get it eventually |
| 00:46.48 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 00:47.28 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of when Arc and I co-discovered how to enable herofighty-style Self-Cast hotkeys. |
| 00:48.35 | JademusSreg | By which I mean it might be possible already, but can't say with certainty without examining the data, UI, and APIs thoroughly. |
| 00:53.41 | Bounty | this should be interesting |
| 00:53.48 | Bounty | killing sprees go up to 22 in Tessera |
| 00:53.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:54.00 | pirate | self cast hotkey? |
| 00:54.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, where instead of entering target mode, it skips it and casts on self. |
| 00:54.40 | Bounty | watcha think of the names of the kill sprees JademusSreg |
| 00:54.41 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/qk73ALLm |
| 00:54.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:56.07 | pirate | self = target position? or like instant abilities |
| 00:56.11 | JademusSreg | I think you shouldn't show me your code unless you want me to whimsically berate you. =D |
| 00:56.39 | Bounty | just look at the texts lol |
| 00:56.42 | JademusSreg | Also, 7 is Septa, iirc. |
| 00:57.07 | Bounty | http://www.mathsisfun.com/shape.html |
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| 00:59.12 | JademusSreg | You're right about hepta, though. =D |
| 00:59.13 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Naming_polygons |
| 00:59.37 | Bounty | yeah, you can see the gap after 20 lol |
| 00:59.41 | Bounty | Tessera should be 24 |
| 00:59.43 | JademusSreg | "TETRA-KILL" |
| 00:59.56 | Bounty | yeah I like that one |
| 01:00.00 | Bounty | one of the better sounding ones lol |
| 01:09.28 | Bounty | language help required JademusSreg |
| 01:09.37 | Bounty | need filler between Player name and the kill part |
| 01:09.39 | Bounty | so |
| 01:09.48 | Bounty | JademusSreg _______ Tetra Kill! |
| 01:10.34 | DZ_AFK | sheesh Bounty , stick to just one site |
| 01:10.42 | DZ_AFK | when you picking out kill combo names |
| 01:11.02 | Bounty | i did? |
| 01:11.14 | pirate | scored, earned, bought with blood, wrought |
| 01:11.23 | DeadZergling | well, whoever made your list |
| 01:11.30 | DeadZergling | can't make up their minds |
| 01:11.34 | Bounty | scored a Tetra Kill! |
| 01:11.46 | Bounty | I guess that'll do for now |
| 01:11.53 | DeadZergling | about whether to be talking about 10^3 power names or amount of sides on a shape |
| 01:12.38 | Deaod | tetra is not an SI prefix, tera is though |
| 01:13.19 | DeadZergling | pirate, I don't get your problem, I did something relatively like that like 2 years ago |
| 01:13.35 | pirate | you do not have smart cast |
| 01:13.37 | DeadZergling | is a little off due to how mouse movement tracking works, but it is fine for the most part |
| 01:13.52 | pirate | not 'true' lagless smart casting, anyway |
| 01:14.19 | DeadZergling | smart cast just means cast it as if the player had clicked there |
| 01:14.30 | DeadZergling | is no special wonderful properties beyond that |
| 01:14.31 | pirate | NOT IN COMMON PARLANCE OF THE WORDS SMART CAST |
| 01:14.46 | pirate | in WoW / LoL / DotA |
| 01:15.00 | pirate | it means the ability is cast at your current mouse position when you press the hotkey |
| 01:15.06 | DeadZergling | well guess what we edit in this channel? |
| 01:15.10 | DeadZergling | besides Unity... |
| 01:15.22 | DeadZergling | not WoW / LoL / DotA |
| 01:15.37 | JademusSreg | Damn, too many frames on one monitor, forgot about irc. |
| 01:15.51 | DeadZergling | yea, you'll have to nag blizzard if you want exact mouse position when you hit the key |
| 01:15.59 | DeadZergling | I asked one about it when we had blizz in the channel |
| 01:16.00 | pirate | it's in and/or coming to heroes |
| 01:16.06 | DeadZergling | they didn't have a hacky solution for me |
| 01:16.21 | DeadZergling | doesn't mean we get it |
| 01:16.25 | pirate | yes it does |
| 01:16.28 | pirate | eventually |
| 01:16.36 | DeadZergling | notice features in the editor that are blizz only? |
| 01:16.39 | DeadZergling | no it doesn't :) |
| 01:16.48 | pirate | I bet if I asked really nicely |
| 01:16.56 | pirate | they'd let me use flash files |
| 01:17.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Bounty, I'd look to how other pewpew games do it, or rather how classic pewpew games did it. The killstreak is their convention, may as well employ their presentation, as well. |
| 01:17.34 | JademusSreg | pir, you can, if you're clever. |
| 01:17.36 | Bounty | thats what I'm doing |
| 01:17.41 | Bounty | but I think the whole shape thing fits the game well |
| 01:17.51 | DeadZergling | if he is clever, and has unlimited time |
| 01:17.53 | DeadZergling | which he does |
| 01:18.01 | pirate | jaaaaaade I was just trying to argue |
| 01:18.10 | JademusSreg | Remember those flash source files I mentioned a while back? Used in the swarm campaign? |
| 01:18.11 | DeadZergling | yea, well you failed |
| 01:18.15 | pirate | I am certain we will get heroes features |
| 01:18.15 | DeadZergling | back to afk for me :) |
| 01:22.27 | JademusSreg | HotS defined the frames to display the flash in UI xml shit (possibly through a model intermediary, I forget that detail). Then they used dialog control hookups to access them from the galaxy environment with the dialog control API. |
| 01:23.31 | pirate | I have no need for flash frames :/ |
| 01:24.08 | pirate | if you can figure out how to hackify moba-styled data driven smart casting before it's publically available I will personally fly to your house and buy you a burrito |
| 01:25.01 | JademusSreg | Haha. I have a few ideas, I'll need to research before I give ya some approaches to test. |
| 01:25.02 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:34.47 | Bounty | lol burrito, JademusSreg has one of those in the form of himself. |
| 01:36.03 | pirate | it only occurred to me that it might be weird and cannibalistic after I offered |
| 01:41.09 | Bounty | You know of any sounds that have a nice bass hit to them that I could use when killing spree announcements pop up pirate? |
| 01:41.16 | Bounty | just as a placeholder for now until I get a VO |
| 01:42.52 | pirate | use the built in announcer voice? |
| 01:43.13 | Bounty | I don't want a voice atm, I want the actual text to be read |
| 01:43.26 | Bounty | I just need a sound effect that has some punch to it |
| 01:43.29 | pirate | oh |
| 01:43.31 | Bounty | and fits |
| 01:43.33 | pirate | uh I dunno |
| 01:43.37 | Bounty | np |
| 01:43.41 | Bounty | figured I would ask >.< |
| 01:43.42 | pirate | yamato launch |
| 01:43.51 | pirate | pew pew pew |
| 01:43.57 | pirate | oh |
| 01:44.05 | pirate | look at battle.net ui sounds |
| 01:44.11 | pirate | or just search sounds by UI |
| 01:50.12 | Bounty | yeah I tried that and meh |
| 01:50.22 | Bounty | searching by "impact" now |
| 01:50.25 | Bounty | some good stuff |
| 01:50.57 | DZ_AFK | I thought pirate was offering to get JademusSreg a hooker, honestly |
| 01:51.41 | Bounty | Heed your names calling and perform it |
| 01:54.28 | pirate | http://imgur.com/a/K7AFo |
| 01:54.49 | pirate | need to tune data |
| 01:55.14 | pirate | but you gotta admit the debug area looks cool |
| 01:55.47 | Bounty | You want some beef homie? |
| 01:55.48 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZa1I8lxDo |
| 01:56.56 | pirate | now who can make a texture that will look good repeated across a bunch of little squares |
| 02:04.31 | Bounty | what t ype of texture? |
| 02:04.33 | Bounty | type* |
| 02:04.37 | Bounty | like design wise |
| 02:04.42 | pirate | one to cover the cubes |
| 02:04.52 | pirate | something tech-y |
| 02:06.14 | pirate | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/34/444/tychus05emissive_creep.jpg |
| 02:06.16 | pirate | like dat |
| 02:07.33 | pirate | the game I'm drawing inspiration from looks like http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/11/04/169832/big_thumb_70395c76289d7207e2296bc19283597d.jpg |
| 02:08.05 | Bounty | you can do a texture swap |
| 02:08.12 | pirate | yes |
| 02:08.18 | Bounty | o0o |
| 02:08.22 | Bounty | I see what you |
| 02:08.28 | Bounty | you're saying |
| 02:08.30 | pirate | I just need a good texture |
| 02:08.45 | Bounty | let me check |
| 02:09.13 | Bounty | this is for a floor yes? |
| 02:09.19 | pirate | yeah |
| 02:09.59 | Bounty | what material look are you going for? |
| 02:10.00 | Bounty | wood etc |
| 02:10.10 | pirate | metal / tech / circuitry |
| 02:10.14 | Bounty | kk |
| 02:10.17 | Bounty | gotcha |
| 02:12.42 | Bounty | idk if this meats all of the criteria but this would be a badass floor Assets\Textures\starship_3_low.dds |
| 02:13.53 | Bounty | Assets\Textures\terranmachineguts_diffuse.dds |
| 02:14.04 | Bounty | Assets\Textures\spaceplatformmachinery_diffuse.dds |
| 02:14.35 | pirate | will compare later |
| 02:14.46 | pirate | not in the mindset for texture swapping shennanigans |
| 02:14.59 | Bounty | good enough though or do you want more? |
| 02:15.06 | pirate | 3's a good number |
| 02:15.18 | Bounty | kk |
| 02:30.10 | Bounty | alright pirate |
| 02:30.11 | Bounty | my turn |
| 02:30.52 | Bounty | I am using an extra layer of security for my banks in the form of random arithmetic and then reversing that arithmetic when loading the banks |
| 02:31.10 | Bounty | what would be a good way to detect if someone fucked with it and left a decimal |
| 02:31.34 | pirate | I think it's silly to encode scorekeeping data |
| 02:31.44 | Bounty | Thats not the question I asked |
| 02:31.48 | Bounty | we can have that discussion later |
| 02:31.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:32.19 | pirate | but if it's not fucked with it's a whole number? |
| 02:32.21 | Bounty | I agree that it is pointless but people like it |
| 02:32.37 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:32.41 | Bounty | it should always end up as a whole number |
| 02:32.55 | Bounty | idk the best way to detect that though, in triggers |
| 02:33.07 | Bounty | I have not tried anything yet but I figured I would ask |
| 02:36.40 | pirate | if(BankNo - Trunc(BankNo) != 0){return false();} |
| 02:37.42 | Bounty | what is Trunc? lol |
| 02:37.51 | pirate | truncate |
| 02:37.58 | pirate | it's a math function that strips of decimals of reals |
| 02:41.22 | pirate | lmao |
| 02:41.40 | pirate | I just tried to ctrl+s (muscle memory) to save an IDEA I just had |
| 02:47.01 | EntityEnigma | be the computer |
| 02:48.11 | EntityEnigma | what file is usually responsible for icons? |
| 02:48.52 | EntityEnigma | i can probably just figure it out by trial and error |
| 02:49.48 | pirate | "responsible for icons" ? |
| 02:49.56 | pirate | in the sc2 components? |
| 02:50.08 | pirate | custom icon (ie image) files? |
| 02:50.14 | pirate | so much vaguery |
| 02:50.54 | EntityEnigma | yeah sorry i just go this image |
| 02:50.56 | EntityEnigma | 1 sec |
| 02:51.05 | EntityEnigma | error rather |
| 02:51.38 | EntityEnigma | http://i.imgur.com/7Xs3cMe.png |
| 02:51.51 | EntityEnigma | and trying to figure out what i missed |
| 02:52.28 | pirate | all of the customized .dds assets |
| 02:52.36 | EntityEnigma | yeah |
| 02:52.40 | pirate | it's wherever the NOTD people put them |
| 02:52.44 | pirate | since they were imported |
| 02:52.59 | EntityEnigma | i see |
| 02:53.04 | pirate | they might even be in a different dependency mod you dont have access too |
| 02:53.22 | EntityEnigma | oh i have a hunch now |
| 02:53.33 | pirate | just search the OriginalMap.SC2Components for the file name of a couple of them |
| 02:53.52 | EntityEnigma | ok sounds like a good idea |
| 02:55.44 | Bounty | awesome, thanks pirate |
| 02:55.48 | Bounty | that is VERY efficient |
| 02:55.51 | Bounty | <3 |
| 02:56.16 | pirate | I like numbers |
| 03:02.39 | Bounty | I like pew pew |
| 03:28.06 | EntityEnigma | thats so strange |
| 03:28.18 | EntityEnigma | all i had to do was restart editor and they apear |
| 03:28.20 | EntityEnigma | appear* |
| 03:28.31 | EntityEnigma | oh well at least i got what i wanted... |
| 03:40.30 | DeadZergling | Had a hilarious idea for a new boss, Protoss Genocide |
| 03:40.48 | DeadZergling | You'd fight several floating buildings that attack you by firing protoss units that explode on impact |
| 03:41.08 | DeadZergling | launch Templars into the sky, explode them into psi storms, etc |
| 03:44.02 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 03:44.33 | JademusSreg | Psireworks |
| 03:46.14 | pirate | ? |
| 03:46.22 | JademusSreg | Alternative to texture swap: model editing. Not a modeler? No problem, simply open the model in a hex editor and change the texture asset paths. |
| 03:46.36 | pirate | :/ |
| 03:47.23 | JademusSreg | 'tsow I made these: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vajhqq3fdylg4kg/Phase%207.jpg |
| 03:50.54 | JademusSreg | Note: didn't read the conversation, just noticed Bounty suggesting texture swap to ya, |
| 03:53.02 | JademusSreg | So what was the issue? |
| 03:53.35 | pirate | no issue, just thinking of finding a nice texture for cube faces so I can make my debug area into a game mechanic |
| 03:53.54 | pirate | see: http://imgur.com/a/K7AFo |
| 03:54.07 | JademusSreg | Also, looking into how cursor-target instant ability can be optimally accomplished. |
| 03:54.57 | JademusSreg | Ah, like an X-Men war room. |
| 03:56.02 | pirate | to help me further replicate the game transistor: http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/11/04/169832/big_thumb_70395c76289d7207e2296bc19283597d.jpg |
| 03:56.25 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes, I'm familiar with the game. =D |
| 03:56.28 | JademusSreg | Sexy. |
| 03:56.47 | JademusSreg | Custom lighting data would help, haha. |
| 03:56.52 | pirate | that's what my side project is |
| 03:57.02 | pirate | it's multiplayer transistor |
| 04:01.22 | JademusSreg | Finding "the right texture" in a given lighting context might prove not quite right in another. Transistor has a pulp detective, surreal noir style, the lighting is a highres eudystopian graphic novel. |
| 04:01.54 | JademusSreg | So I'd aim to get the lighting right before digging into the environment. |
| 04:02.12 | pirate | I've been soley focused on gameplay so far |
| 04:02.48 | JademusSreg | Anyway, regarding texture. |
| 04:03.04 | pirate | at the moment I see it as a quirky brawler in an ever changing (aka 'processed') arena |
| 04:06.26 | pirate | Turn() will be a random power up rather an ever present mechanic for balance |
| 04:06.27 | JademusSreg | It has a geometric form, even the details tend toward discrete simple forms whose color are applied in the broadest strokes. Thus I'd say the textures you choose should be simple, low noise, giving only the impression of familiar material in its base color, shades, gradients. |
| 04:08.29 | JademusSreg | I reiterate the importance of low-noise textures, since it makes important shit like gameplay entities more pronounced, less likely to get lost in a mass of irrelevant detail. |
| 04:08.40 | pirate | clever |
| 04:09.24 | JademusSreg | Yes, Supergiant Games' folks are clever; I, on the otherhand, am merely observant. =D |
| 04:09.37 | pirate | hm- here's another gameplay pondery |
| 04:10.00 | pirate | randomized or predictable damage? |
| 04:10.46 | pirate | I really like the idea of simple tabletop styled random damage (medium attack deals 1d6 damage. strong attack deals 2d6) |
| 04:11.31 | JademusSreg | I respond by pointing out a staple of cosmology and physics: supersymmetry. |
| 04:11.55 | pirate | predictability? |
| 04:13.02 | JademusSreg | Nope. Implement both predictable and random, comparable in value/utility but separate. |
| 04:13.25 | pirate | so have some dedicated abilities deal randomized damage |
| 04:13.28 | JademusSreg | For reference, see how many games implement the three elements: fire, lightning, and ice. |
| 04:14.39 | pirate | in practice, this would be giving Crash() and Breach() constant damage and using the Split() function to add randomized damage to other functions |
| 04:15.44 | JademusSreg | Ice tends to deal the least amount of damage, with the least variance (ie predictable) and confers other advatanges besides damage, fire tends to be moderately variable, and lightning tends to be wildly variable. Mixing and matching both deterministic/static base damage and variable damage adds to the strategic and/or tactical depth of the game. |
| 04:15.54 | pirate | in the mean time I'm adding physics impacts to all abilities |
| 04:16.00 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 04:16.22 | JademusSreg | pir, I dare say you're making a map I'd actually want to play. |
| 04:16.32 | pirate | I try :D |
| 04:17.21 | pirate | I'm really excited to attempt to implement Turn() |
| 04:17.49 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:18.04 | pirate | sc2 editor is surprisingly well suited to recreate transistor mechanics |
| 04:18.45 | DeadZergling | that isn't necessarily a good thing pirate, means only 10 other people will be interested |
| 04:19.24 | pirate | it will when it's more accessible and user friendly than transistor |
| 04:19.35 | pirate | very easy to sell as "a quirky hero brawler" |
| 04:20.24 | pirate | I just want to make something with quicker turn around and bigger problems to solve than rogue star for a little bit |
| 04:20.35 | JademusSreg | Funny thing, many of the best games encapsulate perhaps the most delicious mechanics but tend to fall short in the volume of their content. Your project will extend the deliciousness of its source. |
| 04:21.17 | JademusSreg | Or endeavors to, at least. =D |
| 04:21.26 | pirate | I found that I greatly enjoyed transistors combat system, but not it's combat per se |
| 04:21.38 | JademusSreg | I know that feeling. |
| 04:21.44 | pirate | multiplayer and some tweaking (NO, GO AWAY CULL()) should solve that |
| 04:21.49 | pirate | er |
| 04:21.51 | pirate | void() |
| 04:22.02 | pirate | too useful |
| 04:22.35 | pirate | besides, DZ, no inventory management :D |
| 04:23.42 | JademusSreg | Combo move ideas: Recurse(), Struct. , Callback() |
| 04:24.12 | JademusSreg | But that's just me doing my sinister design voodoo. |
| 04:24.58 | pirate | but all the ability functions must be monosyllabic |
| 04:25.28 | JademusSreg | Fair point. |
| 04:26.03 | pirate | how to give all corpses ragdoll physics? |
| 04:26.26 | JademusSreg | That's defined in the model asset. |
| 04:26.49 | JademusSreg | Assuming you have said ragdoll physics assets, it's easy. |
| 04:27.41 | pirate | medics yo |
| 04:30.07 | pirate | there we go |
| 04:30.12 | pirate | I did it the cheap and easy way |
| 04:30.20 | JademusSreg | Stack() dual ability, Push() and Pop(); primary input to "push" an ability into the stack at cost without it executing at that time; secondary input to "pop" an ability from the top of the stack, executing such that its cost was paid in advance. Fun way to rapidly unload. |
| 04:32.47 | JademusSreg | Is that too complicated for players? |
| 04:32.57 | pirate | yes |
| 04:33.10 | pirate | but not too complicated to add as secret Jade specific functions |
| 04:33.11 | JademusSreg | Haha, it's like a little bank. =D |
| 04:34.39 | pirate | because it's early in development and I'm full of ambition I like the idea of a number of User.Admins that have special powers. When one's in your game (and using Admin access) the game mode shifts from FreeForAll to FightAdmin |
| 04:35.21 | JademusSreg | If a player with Stack() isn't actively engaged, they could spend their time filling the stack with abilities, paying the costs out of combat so that it can be unleashed later. Quite a clever investment mechanic. |
| 04:35.51 | JademusSreg | I like that as well, haha. |
| 04:36.24 | pirate | I want to limit Users to four active functions |
| 04:36.36 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 04:36.41 | pirate | in the mean time |
| 04:36.42 | pirate | https://www.dropbox.com/s/vdlfmpjd4qmume6/ControllerTest.SC2Map |
| 04:37.58 | JademusSreg | Hm... |
| 04:38.36 | JademusSreg | I've never used this native, and it's not an optimal solution, but I wonder if you're familiar with it: |
| 04:38.37 | JademusSreg | native fixed UnitAbilityEffectInstantGetRange (unit inUnit, string inAbil); |
| 04:40.11 | pirate | unfamiliar |
| 04:41.12 | pirate | what do |
| 04:41.46 | JademusSreg | Suggests a script-approach to instant-effect abilities at cursor, indirectly. |
| 04:42.43 | JademusSreg | One would call that function to get the range of the ability, to either code the results in a radius or relative to the cursor, for examples. |
| 04:42.58 | pirate | ah |
| 04:43.30 | pirate | getting the cursor position online is problematic |
| 04:43.48 | pirate | I'm sick of dummy unit grids |
| 04:44.27 | pirate | I will use local methods (go poke in ControllerTest) until blizzard releases the hostages |
| 04:44.43 | pirate | ****smart cast data functionality |
| 04:45.35 | JademusSreg | Hm, I'm still looking through the string dump for some information. I notice an odd enum. |
| 04:46.16 | JademusSreg | About to browse the ability class XML references in the stringdump. |
| 04:47.02 | pirate | but stomping through these ragdoll medics with the functions I've created is so much fun |
| 04:48.57 | pirate | tomorrow I begin on UI |
| 04:49.04 | JademusSreg | Oi, yep, found something you may like. |
| 04:49.25 | pirate | but now I slee |
| 04:49.26 | pirate | p |
| 04:49.27 | pirate | hum? |
| 04:49.55 | JademusSreg | In Herostorm, found a new member of the EWeaponOption enum: CursorRangeMode. |
| 04:50.26 | pirate | Ahli was telling me that heroes has the the smart casting functionality I require |
| 04:51.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, and I'm corroborating this, and also people don't provide the depth of information I find while digging. =D |
| 04:51.53 | pirate | yes |
| 04:51.53 | pirate | http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13087229162 |
| 04:51.57 | pirate | according to that |
| 04:52.33 | pirate | I wasnt sure earlier because I found a less recent post asking for it |
| 04:53.18 | pirate | oh, and the other big gate |
| 04:53.30 | pirate | I need an excellent sword slinging User model |
| 04:54.07 | pirate | maybe now that the contest is over i can get delphinium to spare me some time |
| 04:59.12 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 05:00.01 | JademusSreg | Adds something called AbilCmdSmart, and SActorTermAbilCmdSmart. |
| 05:02.15 | JademusSreg | And I've got something even more fun lined up... one moment. |
| 05:07.45 | JademusSreg | First, note this, don't need to read it: https://pastee.org/s5qq9 |
| 05:08.14 | JademusSreg | Then note this, you'll probably want to read some parts: https://pastee.org/3m4b7 |
| 05:08.29 | JademusSreg | Total difference of 133 hotkeys. |
| 05:09.46 | JademusSreg | Ahli and Arc might care about that stuff, too. |
| 05:10.37 | JademusSreg | brb, then I'll test the map. |
| 05:25.40 | JademusSreg | Testing. |
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| 06:34.20 | Bounty | peow |
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| 06:41.58 | JademusSreg | Meow. |
| 06:42.39 | JademusSreg | I pasted some stuff up there, might interest ya, might not. |
| 06:45.18 | JademusSreg | Specifically the new hotkeys. |
| 07:04.24 | Bounty | word |
| 07:04.58 | JademusSreg | 133 new hotkeys. More than a 50% increase. |
| 07:07.28 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, I was playing some random Roblox games. Progeny have been playing it, so of course I end up playing it more than they do. |
| 07:08.34 | JademusSreg | Roblox games are a fascinating exploration of terrible designs. |
| 07:13.34 | JademusSreg | Left-4-Dead-inspired "Reason 2 Die", for example, initially seemed interesting, though it didn't make use of the "2" in the title, but whatever. Called it quits when I climbed a hill and died. Repeatedly. Death boundaries, completely unmarked and unintuitive. =D |
| 07:13.46 | Bounty | FINALLY |
| 07:13.51 | Bounty | I found this song lol |
| 07:13.52 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9cqDTFFbvg |
| 07:13.54 | Bounty | good lord |
| 07:18.01 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 07:18.41 | DeadZergling | pretty different kind of wam |
| 07:18.50 | Bounty | it is amazing |
| 07:18.59 | Bounty | I kept getting the song itself, which is bring |
| 07:19.02 | Bounty | boring* |
| 07:19.11 | Bounty | apparently I was looking for the finale |
| 07:19.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:19.40 | DeadZergling | back then, you could get away with saving the best for last |
| 07:20.05 | Bounty | yeah, I <3 Mozart but god damn was the original song lame as fuck |
| 07:20.34 | Bounty | it was pretty much the same beat/tune but without the chorus |
| 07:20.53 | Bounty | I'm happy with this though >.< |
| 07:21.43 | Bounty | Could make for a good trailer |
| 07:21.47 | Bounty | its short and powerful |
| 07:21.51 | Bounty | and catchy |
| 07:21.59 | Bounty | no editing required |
| 07:22.09 | Bounty | in terms of the song itself |
| 07:22.10 | JademusSreg | How to make boring music less boring: encode it in some form of musical notation, then change the scale and time signature. |
| 07:22.25 | JademusSreg | *key (not scale) |
| 07:22.52 | Bounty | yeah idk what any of that is JademusSreg |
| 07:23.18 | Bounty | I do know that the music I like is a very small taste frame |
| 07:23.33 | Bounty | for games/trailers |
| 07:24.48 | Bounty | If I was to describe it. I would say that is a very elegant change in tones (Low to High, High to Low) while staying with X range |
| 07:24.59 | Bounty | but I have no idea what I am talking about with that stuff |
| 07:25.06 | Bounty | Just guessing based on what I hear |
| 07:25.12 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: http://youtu.be/NLS458ekSEI |
| 07:25.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:26.07 | JademusSreg | I could make a video or something of such a change I made to a classic composition in ABC notation. |
| 07:26.55 | Bounty | I went looking for this song in consideration as the next Tessera Trailer |
| 07:27.03 | Bounty | by default you would not compare the two |
| 07:27.06 | Bounty | but |
| 07:27.12 | Bounty | the question is |
| 07:27.15 | Bounty | could it work? |
| 07:27.30 | Bounty | I think it MIGHT, still planning it out in my head though |
| 07:28.37 | Bounty | and it would be one hell of a standout trailer |
| 07:28.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:28.45 | JademusSreg | I really ought to record it, or find a web-based player... |
| 07:29.05 | Bounty | record what? |
| 07:34.12 | JademusSreg | A song I made by fucking up a classic composition. |
| 07:36.06 | Bounty | I would love to hear it lol |
| 07:36.16 | Bounty | or any song someone here has composed |
| 07:38.19 | Bounty | I personally don't get to hear new music often so fuck it imo :) |
| 07:38.21 | Bounty | could be good |
| 07:38.39 | JademusSreg | Alright, found it. |
| 07:38.48 | JademusSreg | First, download this: http://community.playstarbound.com/index.php?resources/starbound-composer.1207/ |
| 07:40.03 | JademusSreg | Run the app, play this file, easy to drag-n-drop: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Bilious%20Tide.abc |
| 07:40.29 | JademusSreg | Preferably, set the instrument in the 2 pulldowns to Overdrive Guitar. |
| 07:40.55 | Bounty | Watch this be a virus |
| 07:40.59 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:42.39 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 07:43.08 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Bilious Tide is my fuckupening of Moonlight Sonata. |
| 07:43.55 | JademusSreg | And this is my twisted version of Bach's Fugue in G Minor: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Throne%20of%20Torment.abc |
| 07:45.37 | Bounty | ok, DLing everything now |
| 07:45.54 | Bounty | on the first site |
| 07:45.58 | Bounty | waht do I DL exactly? |
| 07:46.02 | Bounty | in the links section JademusSreg |
| 07:46.13 | JademusSreg | Windows - Archive. |
| 07:46.47 | Bounty | kk thx |
| 07:47.21 | Bounty | ok |
| 07:47.27 | Bounty | so how I do I play this song |
| 07:47.29 | Bounty | btw love the name |
| 07:47.36 | Bounty | not sure if thats your name |
| 07:47.39 | JademusSreg | Bilious Tide is whimsical and manic, a delightful madness on a spring eve. |
| 07:47.42 | Bounty | but regardless, I like it |
| 07:48.21 | JademusSreg | Anyway, ya downloaded it, just drag-n-drop the file onto the app window. |
| 07:48.34 | JademusSreg | Then set the pulldowns to Overdrive Guitar. |
| 07:49.04 | JademusSreg | Because no one wants to listen to an Accordian midi unironically. |
| 07:49.52 | Bounty | it keeps saying I don't have Starbound installed |
| 07:50.00 | Bounty | which I don't and I never bought it |
| 07:50.23 | JademusSreg | And here I expected shit to just work. Lemme see what I can do. |
| 07:50.47 | Bounty | play it on your PC and just record it |
| 07:50.55 | Bounty | and send me the file via dropbox |
| 07:51.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I'll export that shit as a wav or whatever, haha. |
| 07:51.29 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:53.47 | JademusSreg | 59MB, haha. |
| 07:53.56 | Bounty | not a problem |
| 07:54.02 | Bounty | will download |
| 07:54.04 | Bounty | :) |
| 07:54.09 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Bilious%20Tide%20%28Koto%29.wav |
| 07:54.24 | JademusSreg | Decided to go with the eastern Koto. |
| 07:54.27 | Bounty | failed - no file |
| 07:54.31 | Bounty | is it done uploading? |
| 07:54.32 | JademusSreg | Patience. |
| 07:54.55 | Bounty | well just link the shit when it is done uploading like normal people |
| 07:54.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:55.03 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 07:56.16 | JademusSreg | Done. |
| 07:56.27 | Bounty | DLing |
| 07:56.50 | Bounty | listening |
| 07:57.10 | JademusSreg | The SB Composer is pretty nice, tragic that it's tied to the game so intimately. |
| 07:57.27 | JademusSreg | Although I could just give you a key. |
| 07:57.51 | Bounty | ok so I don't need to hear anymore |
| 07:57.56 | Bounty | I skimmed it |
| 07:58.02 | JademusSreg | You damn well better motherfucker. |
| 07:58.06 | Bounty | my opinion is |
| 07:58.14 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:58.29 | Bounty | It sounds like a great song that could be |
| 07:58.36 | Bounty | with proper instruments and sounds |
| 07:58.50 | Bounty | that and there are parts where the beat is fucked up |
| 07:58.58 | Bounty | as if it was improved |
| 07:59.10 | Bounty | but you can still tell there is something there |
| 07:59.16 | JademusSreg | Listen to it, drown in its fuckedupness. |
| 07:59.24 | Bounty | i just did |
| 07:59.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:59.55 | JademusSreg | Quid pro quite a lot songs you've had me listen. |
| 08:00.02 | Bounty | 0:42 seconds in and its obvious this is being played live |
| 08:00.21 | JademusSreg | Dunno what that means. |
| 08:00.23 | Bounty | like that part is so fucked up |
| 08:00.26 | Bounty | then he just nails it |
| 08:00.34 | Bounty | go to 42 seconds in |
| 08:00.48 | Bounty | sounds like shit |
| 08:01.02 | Bounty | but at 0:54 seconds in |
| 08:01.03 | JademusSreg | Open the Bilious Tide.abc file I linked to ya, open it in a text editor. |
| 08:01.09 | Bounty | its like Stella got her groove back |
| 08:01.56 | Bounty | any text editor? |
| 08:02.00 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 08:02.15 | Bounty | ok |
| 08:02.21 | Bounty | C: Jademus Sreg |
| 08:02.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:03.15 | JademusSreg | Yep, below the metadata elements is a bunch of letters, numbers, and symbols, right? |
| 08:03.26 | Bounty | oh yeah |
| 08:03.29 | Bounty | tons of them lol |
| 08:03.40 | Bounty | lots of / as well |
| 08:03.43 | JademusSreg | That's abc notation used to generate the music. |
| 08:04.02 | JademusSreg | Which is to say it's not even close to a live performance. |
| 08:04.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:04.07 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:04.24 | Bounty | You need to stop this "Drop the Mic" bullshit |
| 08:04.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:04.30 | Bounty | its annoying |
| 08:04.55 | Bounty | like you continue the conversation to the point that you deem you can just walk away and "drop the mic" |
| 08:05.04 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:05.27 | DeadZergling | think white noise woulda been easier if the goal was to clear the room, JademusSreg |
| 08:05.43 | JademusSreg | (I must respirate toxic aerosol colloids of ash and nicotine, obviously.) |
| 08:05.48 | Bounty | NO |
| 08:05.51 | Bounty | you said brb |
| 08:06.04 | Bounty | that ( ) bullshit won't work here |
| 08:06.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:06.30 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:06.36 | Bounty | also |
| 08:06.38 | Bounty | I agree |
| 08:06.48 | Bounty | I could go for a smoke as well |
| 08:06.56 | Bounty | brb (for real) |
| 08:07.01 | Bounty | (unlike some people) |
| 08:07.11 | Bounty | (see?) |
| 08:07.17 | Bounty | (ok brb) |
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| 08:14.30 | Bounty | You there DeadZergling? |
| 08:14.40 | Bounty | I have some pro tips for you lol |
| 08:14.41 | DeadZergling | kind of, still recovering from that wav |
| 08:14.53 | Bounty | Something I tried over the last few days |
| 08:15.21 | Bounty | I wanted to learn my strengths and weaknesses as a developer so |
| 08:15.48 | Merc | what did you leeeeeeeeeeeeeearn |
| 08:15.55 | Bounty | I studied myself and made note of behaviors that were "odd" or "interesting" while developing |
| 08:16.18 | Bounty | well I learned why I am not so good at balance and static UI |
| 08:16.18 | Merc | "getting grumpy when criticized" |
| 08:16.24 | Bounty | just based on that |
| 08:16.40 | Bounty | yet I am amazing at other things |
| 08:16.56 | Bounty | ironically I have yet to show my true potential in the areas I am best at |
| 08:16.59 | Merc | you're amazing at all kinds of things m8 |
| 08:17.06 | Bounty | nah |
| 08:17.07 | Merc | brb |
| 08:17.33 | Bounty | I get lucky with static UI sometimes but I don't think that is what I am good at |
| 08:18.01 | Bounty | by static I mean non animated |
| 08:18.38 | Bounty | but yeah DeadZergling |
| 08:18.39 | Bounty | try it |
| 08:19.05 | Bounty | Prep your mind to observe yourself and how you react to certain achievements or parts of development |
| 08:19.20 | Bounty | Seems to work well |
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| 08:19.41 | DeadZergling | is this your clever way of saying you've been doing weed lately? |
| 08:19.42 | Bounty | at least for me it did |
| 08:19.50 | Bounty | no |
| 08:20.03 | DeadZergling | just checking, out of body experience and all, lol |
| 08:20.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:20.14 | Bounty | its not an out of body experience |
| 08:20.20 | Bounty | just take notice of certain things you do |
| 08:20.38 | Bounty | physical movements/reactions |
| 08:20.40 | Bounty | or emotional |
| 08:20.51 | Bounty | in response to certain development areas |
| 08:21.36 | Bounty | example |
| 08:21.46 | Bounty | When you thought of and created a new weapon in Death TV |
| 08:21.54 | Bounty | how did you react? physically and emotionally |
| 08:21.58 | Bounty | etc |
| 08:22.03 | Bounty | stuff like that |
| 08:22.17 | DeadZergling | had premature shits while thinking about the names for them |
| 08:22.22 | DeadZergling | was the main observations |
| 08:22.42 | Bounty | sigh |
| 08:22.52 | Bounty | ok well how about while brainstorming? |
| 08:22.54 | DeadZergling | put in like 10 times the effort over picking names for them |
| 08:23.02 | DeadZergling | then actually deciding on them |
| 08:23.05 | Bounty | yeah no shit, we all go through that |
| 08:23.14 | Bounty | bc we're not writers |
| 08:23.35 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 08:24.26 | Bounty | I'll just shut up about it, maybe its just a fluke lol |
| 08:24.42 | Bounty | I thought it made sense when put together |
| 08:24.49 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the point of sharing that musical mess with you was to support my previous assertion: "How to make boring music less boring: encode it in some form of musical notation, then change the scale and time signature." |
| 08:25.09 | DeadZergling | well that music was definitely not boring |
| 08:25.16 | DeadZergling | terrifying is more the word |
| 08:25.27 | Bounty | I am not sure I understand the point |
| 08:25.36 | Bounty | I would have heard the same thing I did while listening to that file |
| 08:25.44 | Bounty | and had the same opinion |
| 08:26.09 | DeadZergling | if you decide to become a serial killer at some point JademusSreg |
| 08:26.12 | JademusSreg | Should hear what I did to Bach's Fugue in G Minor. |
| 08:26.15 | DeadZergling | just play that as you are approaching |
| 08:26.22 | DeadZergling | they'll never know wtf hit them |
| 08:26.42 | JademusSreg | Haha, endearing sentiment, but not optimally efficient. |
| 08:29.57 | Bounty | you say serial killer as if that is bad DeadZergling |
| 08:30.09 | Bounty | He could be like Dexter |
| 08:30.23 | Bounty | a killer of killers |
| 08:30.30 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:31.05 | Bounty | make sure your insults are more specific and directly only used as insults next time |
| 08:31.09 | Bounty | like "dickhead" |
| 08:31.21 | Bounty | or "shit stain" |
| 08:31.36 | DeadZergling | Sorry to interrupt, as I know you are thinking you are clever right now. |
| 08:31.37 | Bounty | lets keep it classy |
| 08:31.41 | DeadZergling | but you really aren't. |
| 08:31.55 | Bounty | You know whats funny? |
| 08:32.22 | Bounty | People tend to say shit like that to make the other person feel bad as to assume that other person gives a fuck |
| 08:32.29 | Bounty | I really don't care |
| 08:32.40 | DeadZergling | you obviously do care, with how much time you are spending on this. |
| 08:32.43 | DeadZergling | but please, continue |
| 08:32.49 | DeadZergling | get me and such. |
| 08:33.03 | Bounty | I don't even? |
| 08:33.09 | Bounty | I just typed it in response |
| 08:33.32 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 08:34.57 | DeadZergling | Well I'm glad your goal wasn't to sound good there JademusSreg , lol |
| 08:35.05 | DeadZergling | as that was painful |
| 08:36.25 | Bounty | You know, I am really debating on my opinion of you DeadZergling lol |
| 08:36.50 | Bounty | It is getting more difficult to tell if we're just fucking with each other or of you really are just being a dickhead |
| 08:37.25 | Bounty | So I would work on that, assuming you're not a dickhead... which I would like to assume |
| 08:39.12 | JademusSreg | No doubt, like I said, I simply fucked up Moonlight Sonata. |
| 08:40.19 | JademusSreg | Reversed the order, changed the meter and such, different key, altered the transpose, inverted all the signs for the notes, et cetera. |
| 08:42.46 | Bounty | Honestly this is my first time hearing the term "Moonlight Sonata" so I will have to look that up |
| 08:51.49 | JademusSreg | Handy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_numbers#The_first_500_prime_numbers |
| 08:55.02 | Bounty | You know I still don't understand the 9 times table? |
| 08:55.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:55.24 | Bounty | idk why but that link reminded me of that |
| 08:59.06 | DeadZergling | just curious why Jade finds that so handy |
| 08:59.30 | DeadZergling | doing a lot of giant factoring without using 2, 3, 5, 7 over there JademusSreg ? lol |
| 09:01.39 | Bounty | someone kill me now |
| 09:01.46 | Bounty | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67483-blizz-contest-79-entries-got-through/?page=3#p52 |
| 09:01.50 | Bounty | that last post |
| 09:01.59 | Bounty | comparing greed to common sense |
| 09:02.08 | DeadZergling | Ask Dexter, the friendly serial killer |
| 09:02.09 | Bounty | I |
| 09:02.11 | Bounty | ..... |
| 09:02.52 | DeadZergling | just let people do what they gonna do |
| 09:03.19 | Bounty | Dexter needs to add that guy to his list lol |
| 09:03.32 | Bounty | like I don't even know what to say to that |
| 09:03.48 | DeadZergling | and there lies your answer |
| 09:03.54 | DeadZergling | on how to answer it |
| 09:04.01 | Bounty | I would LIKE to believe his quite the masterful troll |
| 09:04.13 | Bounty | hes* |
| 09:04.19 | JademusSreg | Haha, made another one. This time, I put all of 70 seconds into making it sound less than agonizing. |
| 09:07.10 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Wanderer%20of%20the%20Grey%20Wastes.wav |
| 09:09.32 | DeadZergling | only made it to 2 mins |
| 09:09.35 | DeadZergling | had to stop |
| 09:14.23 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 09:14.36 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you've found a new idea for a map. |
| 09:15.04 | JademusSreg | A rhythm game with agonizingly awful music. |
| 09:15.20 | JademusSreg | Really more of an endurance test. |
| 09:18.35 | Merc | So I'm making a melee/ranged unit. Should I (a) make the weapon model part of the unit model or (b) attach the weapon to the model in data? |
| 09:19.38 | Merc | It'll be this guy http://i.imgur.com/uP9ls97.jpg and his weapon will be a spear that is thrown when ranged and stabbed with when at melee |
| 09:19.58 | DeadZergling | b |
| 09:19.59 | Merc | thinking of duplicating the Hydralisk |
| 09:20.14 | DeadZergling | if you want to show him without the spear when he throws it |
| 09:20.40 | Merc | yeah that's the thing, I want the spear to disappear after it's thrown, or else it would look shitty |
| 09:21.30 | Merc | I can make the spear disappear in certain animations I think |
| 09:21.51 | Merc | and since I think I can find out how, I kinda want to do it that way |
| 09:22.04 | Merc | but it might not be the best way. |
| 09:22.51 | Bounty | Alright, I am about 90% sure that this will be the song used in the next Tessera trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9cqDTFFbvg |
| 09:24.59 | Bounty | I think I can make it work if I edit it really well |
| 09:25.11 | Merc | I'm visualizing a frag video now |
| 09:25.36 | Merc | just a bunch of scenes where people are playing the game and having fun |
| 09:26.16 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:26.48 | Bounty | I have a vision of more than that but I am glad you could at least have the vision of fragging |
| 09:26.52 | Bounty | <4 |
| 09:26.53 | Bounty | <3* |
| 09:28.39 | Bounty | I got tired of looking for a techno song that I liked and would fit |
| 09:28.52 | Bounty | so I figured I would go with something that I like to listen to |
| 09:28.59 | Bounty | and make it work |
| 09:31.04 | Merc | sounds like the video could be a fun one |
| 09:31.19 | Bounty | Yeah I want it to be |
| 09:31.29 | Bounty | Its to show off the new map/mode and new features |
| 09:31.46 | Bounty | and I want it to be a fun video |
| 09:31.50 | Bounty | yet epic |
| 09:32.14 | Bounty | The song has absolutely no place in the universe of the game lol |
| 09:32.21 | Bounty | but I think thats why it will work |
| 09:33.36 | Merc | yeah I like the idea |
| 09:34.42 | Bounty | Well you give me confidence Merc |
| 09:34.49 | Bounty | because I thought I was mad |
| 09:34.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:35.25 | Merc | I've seen commercials with the same kind of music before |
| 09:35.29 | Merc | it's not crazy |
| 09:35.54 | Merc | you get a little bit of an epic feeling, but it also doesnt take itself too seriouslyt |
| 09:35.57 | Merc | it's all in good fun |
| 09:36.42 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:36.56 | Bounty | I have some epic songs I want to use but I don't think Tessera is the game for it |
| 09:37.08 | Bounty | the gameplay is epic but its not like there is a story |
| 09:37.15 | Bounty | just all in good fun |
| 09:37.42 | Bounty | ok so I am now 100% on this song lol |
| 09:37.50 | Bounty | just need to get this update out tomorrow for lifetime stats |
| 09:37.53 | Bounty | and killstreaks |
| 09:40.47 | Bounty | oh man Merc |
| 09:41.06 | Bounty | If I can get all the right footage and edit this video just as I have in my head |
| 09:41.08 | Bounty | so good |
| 09:41.20 | Bounty | much better than the Reveal Trailer |
| 09:41.25 | Merc | took me a month to make that Rune video :p |
| 09:41.28 | Merc | 5 minute long though |
| 09:41.33 | Bounty | which for some reason people say that video is awesome but I think it sucks? |
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| 09:41.42 | Merc | I even had scenes planned |
| 09:42.17 | Bounty | yeah so do I but I tend to ignore them if I don't get them during X period of time |
| 09:42.26 | Bounty | but I am not doing that with this one |
| 09:42.41 | Bounty | It SHOULD be easy to get these shots |
| 09:43.10 | Bounty | I just need to perform certain movements so that the camera is moving in certain directions |
| 09:43.19 | Bounty | while still owning people |
| 09:43.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:45.08 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.32 | Bounty | nah, I don't need it |
| 09:45.45 | Bounty | I can create the cinematic moments myself |
| 09:47.48 | Bounty | I mean the only part I am debating on is how much I should sync the video with the swift triple hits |
| 09:48.08 | Bounty | the vocals |
| 09:48.30 | Bounty | I'll come up with something though |
| 09:48.57 | Bounty | Again, if people thought the reveal trailer was amazing and I thought it sucked... I can only go up from that right? lol |
| 09:49.12 | Merc | get to work man :p |
| 09:49.23 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 09:49.28 | Bounty | have to finish the update first |
| 09:49.38 | Bounty | 90% done |
| 09:49.44 | Bounty | lifetime stats and killstreaks |
| 09:49.50 | Merc | I'm so sorry JademusSreg, I am duplicating another unit |
| 09:49.53 | Bounty | no voice work on the killstreaks yet though |
| 09:51.49 | JademusSreg | Oh nooooooooeeeeeessssssshhhhit not given. But if/when you encounter an error, I'll be suspiciously glad to help. |
| 09:51.52 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:52.00 | Merc | <3 |
| 09:52.19 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 09:56.28 | Bounty | I am taking a picture of this |
| 09:56.35 | Bounty | [05:51] <JademusSreg> Oh nooooooooeeeeeessssssshhhhit not given. But if/when you encounter an error, I'll be suspiciously glad to help. |
| 09:56.44 | Bounty | just that first part |
| 09:56.52 | Bounty | I think that is history in the making folks |
| 09:57.00 | Bounty | that is not a proper word |
| 09:57.05 | Merc | The double negative? |
| 09:57.12 | Merc | no shit not given |
| 09:57.15 | Bounty | DATS INTERNET TALK BRAH |
| 09:57.23 | Merc | he's becoming one of us |
| 09:58.48 | JademusSreg | It's ambilexical. |
| 09:59.19 | Bounty | oh jesus |
| 09:59.32 | Bounty | JademusSreg be making up words again |
| 09:59.58 | JademusSreg | "Oh noes" + "shit" portmanteau | "Oh, no shit not given" = "giving shit (ew, gross)" |
| 10:00.13 | Bounty | to compensate for his brief devolution into one of the regular folk |
| 10:00.14 | Merc | quite the neologist |
| 10:00.20 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.30 | Bounty | its not what you said JademusSreg |
| 10:00.49 | Merc | Yea we're on to you |
| 10:00.57 | Bounty | its the many letters you used to communicate emotion |
| 10:01.07 | Merc | Maybe he's practicing for the Turing test |
| 10:01.09 | Bounty | =P |
| 10:01.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tomura (~Tomura@p4FF91183.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:01.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:01.20 | Bounty | I take it you saw that article Merc? |
| 10:01.27 | JademusSreg | But my level 11 Drow Ranger has Featherfall boots, no wai you could be on to me. |
| 10:01.38 | Merc | the one with the script pretending to be a ukranian kid? |
| 10:01.43 | Bounty | about the robot posing as a 12 year old boy to lure sex offenders |
| 10:02.01 | Merc | hmmm not sure if I saw that one |
| 10:02.01 | Bounty | i guess we read diff articles |
| 10:02.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:02.07 | Merc | ... indeed. |
| 10:02.22 | Merc | secretly writes letter to FBI. |
| 10:02.32 | Bounty | oh jebus |
| 10:02.37 | Bounty | sweet jebus |
| 10:04.00 | JademusSreg | Sweet Baby Jebus' New Jerus'Oleans Baby Back Kosher Barbeque |
| 10:04.31 | JademusSreg | It's sacredelicious. |
| 10:04.31 | Merc | I think we broke him |
| 10:04.41 | Bounty | You want beef homie? |
| 10:04.43 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZa1I8lxDo |
| 10:05.03 | Merc | !JademusReg reroll -10 minutes |
| 10:05.05 | Bounty | The best part about that video is not the prank |
| 10:05.15 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 10:05.26 | Bounty | Its how quickly people were ready to say "Fuck it, lets fight and go to jail!" |
| 10:06.17 | Bounty | Some even put down their gallon of ice teas |
| 10:06.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:06.35 | Merc | hahahaha that video |
| 10:06.37 | Merc | awesome |
| 10:07.31 | Merc | wouldnt really go to jail for getting in a fight though would you? |
| 10:08.31 | JademusSreg | Choose Your Own Adventuretube: http://youtu.be/0GLoHifu6aM http://www.youtu.be/xfBQppaKcS8 http://youtu.be/8VqJGRHuKUE |
| 10:09.40 | Bounty | I chose mid |
| 10:09.46 | Bounty | no video |
| 10:09.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:09.57 | Bounty | 404 |
| 10:12.23 | JademusSreg | If you chose #3, go to http://youtu.be/EMgsAD3D948 If you chose #2, go to http://youtu.be/M3w1_E1V46M If you chose #3, go to http://youtu.be/5FNz8ZsFxgM Then go to http://youtu.be/32K0nq0u0f0 |
| 10:13.11 | Bounty | first world problems |
| 10:13.15 | Bounty | yeah, heard that before |
| 10:13.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:13.30 | JademusSreg | I'll form the head. =D |
| 10:13.40 | Bounty | my response to that is |
| 10:13.52 | JademusSreg | You'll form the shaft? |
| 10:14.01 | Bounty | As long as you're alive and not being tortured every day, things could be worse |
| 10:14.46 | Bounty | Someone elses suffering does not make yours any better |
| 10:14.52 | JademusSreg | Oh, even then it can get worse. A worse state of being is always conceivable. |
| 10:16.08 | Bounty | I'm sure thats true but I think my point still stands |
| 10:16.20 | Bounty | Another persons suck does not make your suck suck any less |
| 10:16.50 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:17.33 | Merc | kinda just makes your day even worse if you have any empathy for them |
| 10:18.05 | Bounty | I don't believe that honestly |
| 10:18.13 | JademusSreg | Flesh-ablating torment and a shattered will can only take you so far; once everything a person had and was once is stripped away in thick wet sheets, the only place to go is to subvert reality. =D |
| 10:18.20 | Bounty | what, like an hour? |
| 10:18.20 | JademusSreg | Therein lays horror. |
| 10:18.21 | Bounty | tops? |
| 10:18.33 | Merc | well yeah, not really the day |
| 10:18.39 | Merc | but at least the next 5 minutes |
| 10:18.46 | Bounty | and its usually after the truth is put right in front of your face |
| 10:18.49 | Merc | until you pity yourself again |
| 10:18.50 | Bounty | I am guilty of it as well lol |
| 10:19.14 | Bounty | I don't pity myself but I think its a survival thing |
| 10:19.34 | Bounty | or perhaps a societal thing? |
| 10:19.41 | Bounty | I am not sure |
| 10:20.04 | Bounty | I'm sure if we all had truth empathy for all others the world would be a different place |
| 10:20.05 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:20.08 | Bounty | true* |
| 10:20.11 | JademusSreg | I'm not guilty of it in the least; guilt presupposes the burden of a moral imperative. |
| 10:20.33 | Bounty | 5 minutes of feeling bad for someone after you just watched them be murdered by cheetahs in a video is not empathy |
| 10:20.47 | Merc | 5 minutes seem like a long time for that |
| 10:21.10 | Bounty | yeah but I don't think its true empathy |
| 10:21.16 | Bounty | its the onset of empathy |
| 10:21.23 | Merc | I mean, there are probably related "best of vines" with raunchy thumbnails that make you forget about it in seconds |
| 10:21.43 | Bounty | pallet cleansers |
| 10:21.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:21.52 | JademusSreg | Time wasted; make a decision to do something or not to do something, no need for all those feels. |
| 10:22.48 | Bounty | You're just a diff type of psycho JademusSreg |
| 10:22.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:22.59 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, at once both mildly entertaining in gameplay and mildly frustrating in design, behold "Reason 2 Die": http://www.roblox.com/R2D-v20-Massive-Update-place?id=1871149 |
| 10:24.00 | Bounty | I would classify myself as a more emotional crazy person |
| 10:24.08 | Bounty | while you, JademusSreg feel nothing |
| 10:24.13 | Bounty | =P |
| 10:24.38 | Bounty | Except the sweetness of salsa |
| 10:24.39 | JademusSreg | Psychopathy is not a legitimate clinical diagnosis or condition. But then psychiatry eschews science and lacks any theoretical foundation, so fuck em both. |
| 10:25.16 | Bounty | I just did not want to use the term sociopath |
| 10:25.26 | Bounty | but I should have known better |
| 10:25.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:26.03 | Bounty | but neways |
| 10:26.11 | Bounty | There is no excuse to make this next trailer |
| 10:26.30 | Bounty | it requires some good in game footage but the cinematic parts are very easy |
| 10:26.46 | JademusSreg | Apparently some european clinical and criminal justice systems recognize the term sociopath, but again, psychiatry is butt poop from the dumbest butt on poop mountain. |
| 10:26.46 | Bounty | So in theory it should turn out as I imagine it or at least 80-90% |
| 10:26.51 | Bounty | unlike the typical 20-30% |
| 10:27.22 | Bounty | I think sociopath is overused |
| 10:27.38 | Bounty | and dramatized |
| 10:27.53 | Bounty | same with psychopath |
| 10:28.22 | Bounty | May as well start making movies about people with autism that become killers |
| 10:28.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it has the benefit of not being conflated with psychosis, and has been romanticised as a result of the relative lack of stigma. |
| 10:29.10 | JademusSreg | That's probably already happened. |
| 10:29.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:29.31 | Bounty | I would not be surprised |
| 10:29.35 | JademusSreg | From a certain perspective, zombie movies already fit the far end of the autism spectrum. |
| 10:29.38 | Bounty | or |
| 10:29.42 | Bounty | am I a sociopath? |
| 10:29.48 | Bounty | and I cannot be surprise, I can only kill |
| 10:29.59 | Bounty | peow |
| 10:30.13 | Bounty | yeah... you lost me there JademusSreg |
| 10:30.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:30.22 | JademusSreg | And less jocularly, one can expect there has been at least one autistic film student into schlock horror films. |
| 10:30.23 | Bounty | I don't even |
| 10:32.25 | JademusSreg | Final Exam, the student hands the professor a movie entitled "Night of the Very, Very Loud Drunken Fraternity Memebers Who Get Stabbed" |
| 10:32.41 | Bounty | Members* |
| 10:32.52 | Bounty | get rekt'd |
| 10:33.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:33.05 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I can tell what's on -your- mind, eh? |
| 10:33.19 | JademusSreg | </dickjoke> |
| 10:33.24 | Bounty | nope, was just reading what you said |
| 10:33.38 | Bounty | I expect perfection |
| 10:33.47 | JademusSreg | . |
| 10:33.47 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:34.18 | Bounty | that and how could I resist correcting a typo by you.... first time in 3+ years |
| 10:34.28 | Bounty | so you're damn right I did that shit |
| 10:34.50 | Bounty | but continue |
| 10:36.26 | JademusSreg | Ah, got some free time, having trouble deciding between either digging into a server process to find memory blocks vulnerable to overflow OR taking a memory snapshot of the Herostorm process. |
| 10:38.27 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you definitely got me, fixed that typo so quickly, almost as though I elected to not fix it after I re-read the message to see who would respond first, almost. |
| 10:40.38 | Bounty | Eh well, I had my moment |
| 10:40.42 | Bounty | 3 years in the making |
| 10:40.45 | Bounty | it is done |
| 10:41.02 | Bounty | I can die peacefully now |
| 10:46.30 | JademusSreg | I'll make the arrangements. ♥ |
| 10:46.51 | Bounty | lolol |
| 10:48.53 | JademusSreg | Weird: http://www.roblox.com/Taco-Cycle-item?id=151966139 |
| 10:50.18 | Bounty | Is "simpler" even a word? |
| 10:50.21 | JademusSreg | Interestingly, it suffers many of the same issues the SC2 arcade has demonstrated, though their content ecology exhibits quite a bit more upward mobility. |
| 10:50.25 | Bounty | Because its saying that shit on my TV right now |
| 10:50.46 | JademusSreg | https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Asimpler |
| 10:50.49 | Bounty | "TV is bigger, posters are sharper, getting around is simpler and apps are more powerful" |
| 10:50.59 | Bounty | fucking comcast |
| 10:51.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:51.06 | Bounty | and their updates |
| 10:52.36 | Bounty | ok so they used it incorrectly |
| 10:52.39 | Bounty | its not a verb |
| 10:52.47 | Bounty | they used it as one |
| 10:52.52 | Bounty | but its an adjective |
| 10:52.59 | Bounty | so they still fucked up |
| 10:53.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:53.25 | JademusSreg | Engimatic description: "Simple Time cycle. I suggest you use it, because it had instructions." |
| 10:54.23 | Bounty | talking about Simpler |
| 10:54.34 | Bounty | It says its an adjective |
| 10:54.40 | Bounty | a simpler poem |
| 10:54.42 | JademusSreg | Naw, the activity seems to be a noun there, haha. Still -sounds- poopbuttdumb. |
| 10:55.28 | Bounty | so "is simpler" its still an adjective? |
| 10:55.35 | Bounty | man |
| 10:55.41 | Bounty | no wonder I hated english :) |
| 10:55.42 | JademusSreg | Comcast sees a verb and a preposition and calls it a noun. |
| 10:56.12 | Bounty | what is the noun? |
| 10:56.15 | Bounty | Getting? |
| 10:56.19 | Merc | whut.. the UI suddenly disappeared in my mod |
| 10:56.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:56.21 | Merc | wut wut |
| 10:56.31 | Bounty | uh oh |
| 10:56.33 | Merc | it's all black now all of a sudden |
| 10:57.01 | Merc | and all I've done is duplicate a hydralisk |
| 10:57.04 | Bounty | the UI you created in game with that mod? |
| 10:57.08 | Bounty | or the UI in the editor? |
| 10:57.18 | Merc | the ingame UI that I never touched |
| 10:57.20 | JademusSreg | "Here at Comcast, we're not just delivering cable and phones and content, but we're hooking up the internet cheap." |
| 10:57.45 | Bounty | well |
| 10:57.46 | Bounty | this is new |
| 10:57.48 | JademusSreg | Ahh, I see what I did there. =D |
| 10:57.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:58.03 | JademusSreg | Oh, an actual issue to solve. |
| 10:58.06 | JademusSreg | Wat's up MErc? |
| 10:58.14 | Bounty | first thing I noticed was "Internet cheap." |
| 10:58.35 | Bounty | fuck commas |
| 10:58.38 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:58.46 | Bounty | but yeah, Merc has an interesting one.... |
| 10:59.05 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/RKMreNd.jpg |
| 10:59.16 | Merc | oh and yeah, ragdollbasic seems to be back *blush* |
| 10:59.55 | JademusSreg | The comedic nugget consisting of the adjective cheap ostensibly intending to modify the verb+prepositional activity but instead modifies the object of the activity. |
| 10:59.58 | JademusSreg | Harhar |
| 11:00.33 | JademusSreg | Merc, you didn't touch the UI xml shit, right? |
| 11:00.47 | Merc | not that I know of |
| 11:00.58 | JademusSreg | But it uses a custom model, yes? |
| 11:01.13 | Merc | only change I did since last night was add models / dds files for the new unit |
| 11:01.20 | Merc | and duplicate the hydralisk |
| 11:01.45 | JademusSreg | Not interested in the errata, just need to know if the interface was a custom model. |
| 11:01.46 | Merc | I'll try to backtrace my steps and test inbetween |
| 11:02.07 | Merc | I havent changed the interface at all besides adding a new button |
| 11:02.51 | JademusSreg | So you're just using the terran UI glue models, yeah? |
| 11:03.39 | JademusSreg | Which is to ask it's the default terrain gunmetal blinky lights, correct? |
| 11:04.01 | Merc | I have made a new race called Horde based on Terran |
| 11:04.38 | JademusSreg | I can't recall if any previous screenshots had custom interface, perhaps I imagined a custom interface glue model, haha. |
| 11:06.34 | Merc | this is from last night http://i.imgur.com/9ZjqAFm.jpg |
| 11:07.05 | JademusSreg | Anyway, from I can tell, either the lighting data for the interface has been unlinked or otherwise modified, the glue's render priority has changed, there's an alpha mask being applied, the asset's textures loaded incorrectly (doubt it), the asset lacks shader info/materials, it's been tinted inadvertedly, or ghosts. |
| 11:07.26 | Merc | glue? |
| 11:07.52 | Merc | I'll try to delete all the data that appeared when I duplicated the hydralisk |
| 11:08.19 | JademusSreg | Glues are the non-interactive interface elements, often models or flash files. |
| 11:08.28 | JademusSreg | Naw, just paste it. |
| 11:08.42 | JademusSreg | I've never seen this specific problem, so I want to understand it. |
| 11:08.54 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, it's interesting. |
| 11:08.58 | Merc | hmh when I go into Mod STatus there is one Custom Light Data |
| 11:09.00 | Merc | that I dont recall |
| 11:09.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:09.29 | JademusSreg | If my first guess was correct, I get all the points. |
| 11:09.44 | Merc | ?? -> http://i.imgur.com/6NttUYA.png |
| 11:10.52 | Merc | https://pastee.org/6zztb |
| 11:10.58 | Merc | could that be it? |
| 11:12.48 | Merc | gonna be all gung ho and delete it |
| 11:14.39 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 11:14.52 | Merc | success |
| 11:14.53 | JademusSreg | It's a default light. |
| 11:15.08 | Merc | yeah at some point I must have replaced the default light with something shitty |
| 11:15.14 | Merc | which apparently is being used by the UI |
| 11:15.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 11:15.23 | Merc | deleted it now and I'm back to normal |
| 11:15.24 | Merc | phew |
| 11:15.33 | Bounty | I hate when you get a vision in your head in combination with the song that inspired it |
| 11:15.34 | Merc | so about those ragdoll effects :D |
| 11:15.36 | JademusSreg | won All The Points. |
| 11:15.40 | Bounty | I don't EVER want to sleep now |
| 11:15.49 | Bounty | god damnit |
| 11:15.51 | JademusSreg | About which ragdoll effects? |
| 11:16.10 | Merc | I got the same ragdoll effect bugs now that I had with the Orc Grunts |
| 11:16.17 | Merc | or not bugs, error messages |
| 11:16.46 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/RKMreNd.jpg |
| 11:16.55 | JademusSreg | Alright, this'll be fun. Paste the OrcGrunt and the new boyz. |
| 11:17.07 | Merc | you just fixed everything for me yesterday |
| 11:17.12 | Merc | teach me how to fishhh |
| 11:17.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 11:17.22 | JademusSreg | Better idea. |
| 11:17.32 | JademusSreg | Just paste all the unit actor data. |
| 11:17.38 | Merc | alright hang on |
| 11:17.40 | Bounty | Be careful Merc, sometimes you need to be firm and tempt the beast |
| 11:18.29 | Bounty | Or, I'm just talking out of my ass at this hour and have no idea what I'm saying |
| 11:18.31 | Bounty | Night all |
| 11:18.32 | Bounty | <3 |
| 11:19.23 | Merc | wait, Actor data not Unit data, right? |
| 11:19.29 | Merc | right, actor data |
| 11:19.30 | Merc | hurr |
| 11:19.42 | JademusSreg | Unit actor data, actor data of type unit. |
| 11:19.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:21.49 | Merc | https://pastee.org/5t4xf |
| 11:22.00 | JademusSreg | I assume you're cutting out stuff, when it's a lot faster to click on the entry, as it moves the XML window's focus to the entry clicked. |
| 11:22.42 | JademusSreg | See line 30? |
| 11:22.51 | Merc | not sure what you mean by that |
| 11:23.03 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.08 | JademusSreg | Of the paste, yeah. |
| 11:23.10 | Merc | yeah same line as yesterday |
| 11:23.19 | JademusSreg | I'll explain what's going on there. |
| 11:23.28 | Merc | \o/ |
| 11:23.54 | JademusSreg | First, we'll take a little trip to the core xml. |
| 11:23.58 | JademusSreg | finds the paste. |
| 11:24.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 11:24.49 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/3b6cw |
| 11:25.26 | JademusSreg | Around line 182, we find GenericUnitBase entry. |
| 11:25.53 | JademusSreg | See the field array DeathArray and DeathCustoms. |
| 11:26.07 | Merc | mhm |
| 11:26.51 | JademusSreg | The first DeathArray, index is Normal, AnimProps is Death, then token expressions, convenient. |
| 11:27.26 | JademusSreg | Below, DeathCustoms and DeathCustomsData. |
| 11:27.49 | JademusSreg | The first DeathCustomsData has the name RagdollBasic. |
| 11:27.56 | JademusSreg | Or rather, Name. |
| 11:28.20 | Merc | What does "Death,Eat" mean anyway |
| 11:28.26 | Merc | death from being eaten? |
| 11:29.19 | Merc | guess so |
| 11:29.21 | JademusSreg | Instead of using a dictionary-like method of array enumeration (as DeathArray does), DeathCustoms and DeathCustomsData have explicit names. |
| 11:29.24 | JademusSreg | And yes. |
| 11:30.11 | JademusSreg | Those explicit names define how they can be referenced, but they are still field arrays, implicitly indexed. |
| 11:30.12 | Merc | SyncPassChance, what does that mean |
| 11:30.16 | Zolden | it's one of the things I inherited from editor |
| 11:30.51 | Zolden | in my unity game I pass strings to functions, which are being analysed, so I can include different kinds of data in one parameter |
| 11:31.17 | JademusSreg | Sooooo when your duplicated unit actors have both a Name and an index field, it's employing two references simulanteously. |
| 11:32.13 | JademusSreg | Specifically, it's attempting to override the both the RagdollBasic DeathCustomData and the other DCD using it. |
| 11:32.19 | Merc | but when I deleted line 30 the other day, it didnt fix anything |
| 11:32.58 | Merc | would be great if that was all I needed to do though |
| 11:33.00 | JademusSreg | Haha, I know, and you expressed interest in learning why this shit happens. =D |
| 11:33.14 | Merc | interest out of necessity :p |
| 11:33.39 | JademusSreg | It happens because the references and indexes are parsed as being overridden simulanteously. |
| 11:34.04 | Merc | butt whyyyyy didnt it work to remove that line last night thennnnn |
| 11:34.09 | JademusSreg | Like the Escher sketch of two hands drawing one another, except instead they are erasing one another first. |
| 11:34.25 | Merc | yeah that cant be good |
| 11:34.29 | JademusSreg | Because that's not the only death custom data. |
| 11:34.51 | JademusSreg | It was just the best example. I skipped ahead by demonstrating proper inheritence and token usage. |
| 11:35.15 | Merc | maybe I inadvertently made some extra custom death data when duplicating something? |
| 11:35.25 | JademusSreg | Now back to your actor paste. |
| 11:35.39 | JademusSreg | Why did you duplicate it? |
| 11:36.19 | Merc | because Hydralisk is a unit that works basically the same way that I want Troll Headhunter to work |
| 11:36.24 | JademusSreg | This isn't an inquisition, but rather an enquiry into what circumstances cause you to do so. |
| 11:36.37 | Merc | uses Cover Attack when in melee range, and Attack when in ranged |
| 11:36.50 | JademusSreg | Ah, so it would appear superficially, but that's part of the action actors, not the unit itself. |
| 11:36.54 | Merc | has seperate melee and range attacks basically |
| 11:37.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster sc2println (~flo@2a02:810d:1680:242c:f66d:4ff:fe93:2e29) |
| 11:37.34 | JademusSreg | As you can see in the actor data, that's not part of the unit actor, haha. |
| 11:38.05 | JademusSreg | Understandable why one might think that, though. |
| 11:38.10 | Merc | no, but when I duplicate a unit I get to check off what stuff I also want to duplicate (to change later) |
| 11:38.46 | Merc | so when duplicating I get to set up sound data, abilities, effects, weapons, models |
| 11:38.53 | Merc | and then just change the effects and sounds and models etc |
| 11:39.09 | Merc | it seems convenient |
| 11:39.22 | JademusSreg | Often seems like fixing duplicated data takes more time than making it properly, haha. But I understand the sentiment and desire to get to the ends, whatever the means. |
| 11:40.06 | JademusSreg | Anyway, to fix the Headhunterlisk, we'll do the same as was done to the gruntlot. |
| 11:40.27 | Merc | ok |
| 11:40.55 | JademusSreg | Oh, wait, even better. |
| 11:40.59 | Merc | and well, the reason I use duplicate is that after googling intensively on how to make a new unit |
| 11:41.03 | JademusSreg | You properly formatted the dds files, right? |
| 11:41.14 | JademusSreg | Erm, the names, yeah? |
| 11:41.18 | Merc | No, they're still separated with a space :/ |
| 11:41.27 | Merc | I think I should format them better though |
| 11:41.30 | JademusSreg | Odd, not in the xml. |
| 11:41.35 | Merc | add unit in front too |
| 11:42.00 | Merc | ah yes they probably dont show up in the xml because I havent changed those entries yet, they still have whatever the hydralisk had |
| 11:42.09 | JademusSreg | But I've got a fun solution, which I will paste once I type it up. |
| 11:42.29 | Merc | anyway the basic reason as to why I use the duplicate function is because that's what the tutorials told me to do |
| 11:50.52 | Merc | decided to rename unit buttons and wireframes |
| 11:51.17 | Merc | Icon Troll Headhunter.dds -> Icon Unit TrollHeadhunter.dds |
| 11:58.32 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/7nnur |
| 11:58.47 | JademusSreg | Assuming I didn't mess up the syntax, that should work fine. |
| 11:59.04 | JademusSreg | Yep, looks good. |
| 11:59.34 | Merc | thank you |
| 11:59.48 | Merc | but can you run me through what changes you've done and why? |
| 12:00.08 | Merc | oh damn what is this |
| 12:00.13 | Merc | :o |
| 12:01.05 | Merc | btw I havent looked into unit weapon / armor upgrades |
| 12:01.13 | JademusSreg | Sure. First, the dds naming convention gets rid of spaces, don't need em. Hell, don't even need Icon in the texture name if they are in the Icon directory, and add a wireframe directory, but I digress. No spaces, since unit ids can't have spaces. |
| 12:01.14 | Merc | how are those applied? am I painting myself into a corner? |
| 12:01.22 | JademusSreg | Nope, no corner. |
| 12:01.41 | Merc | good point about icon directory |
| 12:01.54 | JademusSreg | The actor defines the default, the upgrades can modify actors and other stuff, no big deal, non-issue. |
| 12:02.40 | Merc | ok |
| 12:03.13 | Merc | *downloads advanced renamer* |
| 12:03.32 | JademusSreg | Anyway, GenericUnitHorde defines shared values for all the horde units. It inherits from GenericUnitStandard, as most player-controlled units are, and its actor events and other properties let the unit and its actor work properly without any fuss. |
| 12:03.47 | JademusSreg | Note the default="1" attribute. |
| 12:04.21 | JademusSreg | That means it can be a parent to other data entries, and cannot be instanced in game. It's like a template. |
| 12:04.21 | Goa_ | Finally my alter ego pointing fingers on me: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67483-blizz-contest-79-entries-got-through/?page=3#p54 |
| 12:04.28 | Merc | brb++ sorry |
| 12:05.51 | JademusSreg | GenericUnitHorde Structure, Ground and Air inherit from GenericUnitHorde, and are also default parent entries. Those entries initialize the respective life armor icon of each category of horde unit. Pretty simple. |
| 12:08.24 | JademusSreg | From there, OrcGrunt and TrollHeadhummer inherit from GenericUnitHordeGround and have their respective id and unitName tokens assigned. Since that fills in all the values needed to get them working and their interface elements looking thematically consistent (ie, assigns the icons and shit automatically), their entries are a single, self-terminating line, tada. |
| 12:08.32 | JademusSreg | Goa, wat |
| 12:08.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 12:08.53 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:09.21 | JademusSreg | Oh, but first, assault your ears with this catastrophe I made: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Wanderer%20of%20the%20Grey%20Wastes.wav |
| 12:09.24 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 12:23.39 | Tomura | that was ... interesting. |
| 12:23.59 | JademusSreg | It was a silly product of tinkering. |
| 12:26.35 | JademusSreg | Started with Bach's Fugue in G Minor, changed the time signature with a 13/8 meter, quarternote 97 from 200, played with The Model M, played in parallel with FiGM's sequences in reverse order, played with a Koto. |
| 12:28.00 | JademusSreg | Titled the track in reference to D&D Forgotten Realm setting's Fugue Plane, the endless colorless desert in which wander the souls of the dead. |
| 12:29.15 | JademusSreg | Since I have roughly zero knowledge of music theory, just tried to make it sound less than agonizing. |
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| 13:26.45 | Merc | alright back |
| 13:28.08 | Merc | so JademusSreg, the entries you pasted in for me were basically a method for making generic units that refer to actors which I may have already generated through duplication? |
| 13:30.18 | Merc | if only there was a way to duplicate while setting the new unitname instead of just adding "copy" to everything |
| 13:30.47 | Merc | but I guess that can be handled with some search&replace in xml |
| 13:31.29 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, wat? |
| 13:32.03 | Merc | yeah no that wasnt a great idea it seems |
| 13:32.30 | JademusSreg | Are you familiar with the concepts templates and/or inheritence? |
| 13:33.23 | Merc | sort of |
| 13:34.27 | JademusSreg | Suppose you have Herk, and Herk is a container for the information a=42 and b=23. |
| 13:34.44 | Merc | Herk being an Actor in this case? |
| 13:36.43 | JademusSreg | Now imagine Jerk uses Herk as a template, and it declares b=423. Guess the value of Jerk's a=? |
| 13:37.03 | Merc | 42 |
| 13:37.50 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 13:37.53 | Merc | Jerk says "everything is like in Herk but B=423" |
| 13:38.11 | Merc | or b, I guess |
| 13:39.11 | JademusSreg | Yep. Now suppose Pork inherits from Jerk, and has a new piece of information, s=Pork##id## |
| 13:39.28 | Merc | I was hoping you'd use Merc as the next one |
| 13:39.38 | JademusSreg | I intend to soon, haha. |
| 13:40.27 | JademusSreg | We know Pork's a=42, b=423, and s=Pork##id##. |
| 13:40.32 | Merc | but yeah Pork now has a=42, b=423 and s=Pork##id"" |
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| 13:41.20 | JademusSreg | Now we have Merc inheriting from Pork, and it has a new information, id=Snorkle |
| 13:41.34 | JademusSreg | Now what is Merc's value of s? |
| 13:41.46 | Merc | PorkSnorkle? |
| 13:41.50 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 13:42.01 | JademusSreg | And that's how SC2 data works. |
| 13:42.29 | Merc | Can I use Pork##a## ? |
| 13:42.54 | Merc | if I wanted to use Pork42 at some point |
| 13:44.27 | JademusSreg | If you define a custom token in a default="1" data entry, entries inheriting it (parent="idOfTheDamnTemplate") will have access to the token and from it assign the value of token expressions. =D |
| 13:45.05 | JademusSreg | There's even a command key set for adding tokens. |
| 13:45.26 | JademusSreg | Which provides a huge fucking amount of options, it's crazy. |
| 13:47.18 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSL3og5--uE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m39s |
| 13:49.28 | JademusSreg | A1, is that an exploit of the vine mechanic or input-overflow reprogramming of the game? |
| 13:50.07 | A1win | dunno, probably an exploit I guess |
| 13:50.27 | A1win | die on a vine, spawn on a vine |
| 13:50.33 | A1win | or so it seems |
| 13:51.39 | A1win | still looking for a new project to start D: |
| 13:51.59 | JademusSreg | I've got plenty. |
| 13:52.42 | JademusSreg | Listen to this, tell me if it sounds like a good basis for an endurance rhythm game: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Wanderer%20of%20the%20Grey%20Wastes.wav |
| 13:52.44 | A1win | had an idea for a third person hack'n'slash/shoot'em'up hybrid (running in a corridor and controlling two weapons separately) but it'd be better suited for consoles that have two analog sticks |
| 13:53.30 | A1win | what's an endurance rhythm game <.< |
| 13:53.37 | JademusSreg | Endurance in the sense that you must listen to hit the correct inputs, but perhaps it sounds awful enough that not deafening yourself is the real accomplishment. |
| 13:53.38 | A1win | oh yeah nvm |
| 13:54.19 | A1win | pretty awful ;p |
| 13:54.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:57.55 | Merc | hurr |
| 13:58.46 | Merc | how are models determined here? https://pastee.org/7nnur |
| 14:00.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:00.47 | JademusSreg | Remember the big paste earlier? |
| 14:01.11 | Merc | hgmm yea |
| 14:01.21 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/3b6cw |
| 14:01.29 | Merc | its in one of my million open tabs |
| 14:01.49 | JademusSreg | GenericUnitMinimal, line ~11 |
| 14:02.24 | JademusSreg | Then scroll down to Model on line ~85. |
| 14:03.07 | Merc | ahhh |
| 14:03.25 | Merc | didnt understand much of line 11 though |
| 14:03.28 | Merc | what happens there |
| 14:03.44 | Merc | what's with the question marks |
| 14:03.46 | Merc | and the Bogus |
| 14:04.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:04.31 | JademusSreg | That is where the magic happens. |
| 14:04.43 | JademusSreg | It's a token declaration. |
| 14:05.43 | JademusSreg | <? ?> is probably a preprocessor message. |
| 14:06.35 | JademusSreg | In this case, it declares a token with the id unitName, link type of unit, and initial value of Bogus. |
| 14:07.41 | JademusSreg | The type tells the editor what to display in the selector dialog when you modify the token value. |
| 14:08.04 | Merc | okay |
| 14:08.11 | Merc | lets pretend I understand this |
| 14:08.19 | Merc | and I want to make units with your templates |
| 14:08.30 | Merc | without duplicating stuff :O |
| 14:08.57 | JademusSreg | Yep, supar easy. In the actor tab, Data > Add New Actorblahblah |
| 14:09.03 | Merc | I have to add models, effects, behaviors etc on my own? |
| 14:09.14 | Merc | seems like so much more work |
| 14:09.17 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but I can assist you in learning. |
| 14:09.33 | JademusSreg | It's only more work to learn, but it saves work once it's understood. |
| 14:10.41 | Merc | seems like a sound investment |
| 14:10.55 | Merc | thank you so much for taking the time for all of this btw |
| 14:11.25 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Data > Add New Arlbfarblegarp (the add new data entry command is contextual, label changes depending on whichever tab you're in). Give it a name, then click Suggest, which gives it an id, select type (Unit), select Parent (GenericUnitHordeGround), Done/OK. |
| 14:12.04 | JademusSreg | And no problem, I just happen to have more time today than usual, so I invest in the future, so to speak. |
| 14:12.52 | JademusSreg | Once the entry has been added, assign the unitName token's value to whatever unit you've got. |
| 14:14.30 | Merc | I'm gonna try making my next unit like that |
| 14:14.48 | JademusSreg | Das goot. |
| 14:18.29 | A1win | I still think that Kerrigan Date Sim would be the best arcade game ever |
| 14:19.31 | A1win | if done properly (i.e. in good humor) |
| 14:19.33 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 14:19.48 | Merc | make it dirty |
| 14:20.41 | JademusSreg | Maybe not the best, but might be good enough to earn the word-o-mouth praise "You've got to play this. You haaave yp play this, cmon, at least once." |
| 14:20.56 | JademusSreg | High praise for a limited conceit. |
| 14:21.05 | A1win | yeah ;p |
| 14:21.41 | Merc | what is the synopsis of this date sim |
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| 14:22.04 | JademusSreg | Start with the endings, design backwards. |
| 14:22.29 | A1win | dunno, haven't thought it that far :x |
| 14:22.38 | Merc | rookie mistake to start with the fun part, considering the date goes well |
| 14:22.47 | Merc | assuming* |
| 14:23.25 | A1win | I wonder how "dirty" would be allowed on bnet ;I |
| 14:23.47 | Merc | could make it highly suggestive at least |
| 14:24.02 | Merc | "hot coffee" |
| 14:24.41 | A1win | this would probably mean I'd have to learn to use the cutscene editor |
| 14:26.26 | Merc | would need several different kerrigan models too |
| 14:26.46 | Merc | maybe you could make a fancy red dress with ribbons |
| 14:26.50 | A1win | ;p |
| 14:27.12 | A1win | naw I can't model that well |
| 14:28.18 | Merc | zolden and I can help :p |
| 14:28.28 | Merc | or well, I cant really model well either |
| 14:28.53 | A1win | yeah I haven't really seen anyone here model well enough for it to look good :P |
| 14:29.14 | A1win | or maybe unless it's like unit models rather than cinematic models |
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| 14:49.50 | A1win | "You further represent and warrant that you will not use or contribute User Content that is unlawful, tortious, defamatory, obscene, invasive of the privacy of another person, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful, racist or otherwise objectionable or inappropriate." wellll that leaves quite a bit of room for interpretation |
| 14:51.47 | A1win | Donors shall not be provided with any in-game special advantages, such as private access to a Custom Game, special levels, graphical markers, special text, abilities, units, etc. All users are to be able to play the same Custom Game; |
| 14:51.59 | A1win | that makes it sound like you're not allowed to do any user-specific stuff |
| 14:52.18 | A1win | even if there are no donations involved |
| 14:52.19 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 14:58.59 | A1win | ending #1: kerrigan chooses the player's character over the Swarm, everyone lives happily ever after (excluding the zerg, who gets pretty much wiped out) |
| 15:03.59 | A1win | perhaps it should make an attempt to remain true to the canon, with the exception that kerrigan happens to have other feelings than hatred towards mengsk |
| 15:04.01 | JademusSreg | weighs in on this week's most sensationally controversial non-issue. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67483-blizz-contest-79-entries-got-through/?page=3#p57 |
| 15:08.44 | A1win | now I made this concept so complicated that I don't want to spend the time for the research >.> |
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| 15:29.31 | A1win | now I kind of want to make a survival RPG again :E |
| 15:31.06 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 15:31.11 | A1win | open world, building static defenses to survive through "nights" (a period of time during which the environment is more dangerous), scavenging items for the defenses, equipment, and for food/energy/fuel/whatever |
| 15:32.28 | A1win | meh, not for the arcade where no one would play it anyways |
| 15:33.09 | A1win | though that genre would work just fine on the SC2 engine |
| 15:33.30 | JademusSreg | Disaster survival. =D |
| 15:33.42 | A1win | pssh |
| 15:34.29 | JademusSreg | Or survive boredom, I guess? |
| 15:34.34 | A1win | ;X |
| 15:34.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:35.02 | A1win | survive arcade popularity system |
| 15:35.30 | JademusSreg | Bazing. |
| 15:35.41 | A1win | your goal is to keep the game high on the popularity list |
| 15:35.48 | A1win | gameplay is very simple |
| 15:36.30 | A1win | (and self-explanatory) |
| 15:38.45 | A1win | If Hitler's father hadn't changed his surname in 1877, Germany would have been ruled by one Adolf Schicklgruber |
| 15:43.10 | JademusSreg | imagines a metameta game, managing a pro-player house and its members, controlling them indirectly with strategy builds akin to customized AI, depending on their character attributes for the finer aspects of play. |
| 15:43.35 | A1win | I considered a similar concept a few years ago |
| 15:45.46 | A1win | not with actual SC2 games though, don't think the matches would be really enjoyable to watch if controlled by AI ;p |
| 15:48.24 | JademusSreg | They would assuming 1) its run at a much faster rate and 2) represented minimalistically. |
| 15:48.52 | A1win | yeah |
| 15:48.57 | A1win | but that's not SC2 anymore ;p |
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| 15:49.26 | JademusSreg | Metametagame, the game about playing the players playing the SC2 metagame, not about playing SC2, silly. |
| 15:49.56 | A1win | http://www.bfxr.net/ |
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| 16:34.58 | TheSkunk_ | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/287jzl/fun_arcade_to_try_that_is_like_mario_party_star/ |
| 16:50.55 | pirate | damnit |
| 16:51.02 | pirate | I wanted to ask him about css |
| 17:02.44 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:05.02 | A1win | "It's a side business. I make up these knapsacks for the zombie apocalypse. You know, in case the undead come back to life and the world gets all darky-dark." "It's already darky dark, friend. Not sure what worse a bunch of zombies could do." |
| 17:06.09 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/IpKEnWB.png |
| 17:06.27 | pirate | he asked me to redesign http://www.reddit.com/r/scarcade/'s css |
| 17:06.30 | pirate | whoops |
| 17:06.32 | pirate | http://www.reddit.com/r/scarcade/ |
| 17:07.15 | pirate | haven't heard back from him |
| 17:10.04 | JademusSreg | "Dog eat dog". |
| 17:10.09 | JademusSreg | Also, hahaha. |
| 18:19.55 | pirate | uh |
| 18:20.38 | pirate | why does my ability still retain it's upgraded range and velocity after I've set the upgrade level to 0 |
| 18:21.16 | pirate | my actor validators confirm that the upgrade level is actually 0 |
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| 18:33.55 | Bounty | peow |
| 18:37.06 | pirate | I want better penetrating aoe missiles where I dont have to define a series of offset periodic searches |
| 18:37.17 | pirate | *high velocity |
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| 18:51.29 | JademusSreg | Easy. |
| 18:51.52 | JademusSreg | Operations Set != Modify |
| 18:51.55 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:52.55 | pirate | ? |
| 18:53.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:53.26 | Bounty | another drop the mic moment brought you to by JademusSreg |
| 18:53.46 | pirate | if only I knew what that meant |
| 18:54.20 | pirate | I made a work around by creating a "reset" upgrade which is (slightly) more work than should be required |
| 18:56.38 | pirate | the missile thing is higher priority |
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| 19:16.02 | Bounty | how long do you think it will be before this game you're working on will be playable pirate? |
| 19:16.23 | pirate | if I had heroes smart cast -- like a week |
| 19:17.53 | Bounty | damn =/ |
| 19:18.01 | Bounty | how about without? |
| 19:18.27 | pirate | the same - it just won't be optimal |
| 19:18.37 | Bounty | Ah |
| 19:20.36 | pirate | I'm caving and just handwriting my periodic searches |
| 19:25.48 | JademusSreg | pir, what's the xml data? =D |
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| 19:26.45 | pirate | compare what I linked last night |
| 19:27.24 | pirate | sec |
| 19:27.48 | Siretu | Quick question: Is it seriously impossible to upgrade the maximum stack count of a behavior? |
| 19:28.00 | Siretu | Seems like such a basic thing to upgrade, but I cant find it in the effects list. |
| 19:28.13 | pirate | possibly, I remember not being able to change it via catalog |
| 19:28.28 | Siretu | Well, that is silly... |
| 19:28.43 | JademusSreg | Why would one even need to do that when requirements would suffice? |
| 19:28.49 | JademusSreg | brb in 10 |
| 19:28.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:30.32 | pirate | https://pastee.org/ezwdm vs. https://pastee.org/j3ye6 |
| 19:30.52 | Siretu | Why wouldn't I need that? If the behavior stack is not related to an ability or validator, it's harder to do it with requirements. In this case, it keeps track of stuff I use in triggers and I want players to be able to upgrade the maximum stack size. |
| 19:31.57 | Siretu | Also, it seems like it's possible to modify it with catalog triggers, so I guess I'll use that instead. |
| 19:35.00 | Siretu | Ah, nope. "Core: access denied to required object or service"... |
| 19:35.06 | pirate | I told you |
| 19:35.41 | Siretu | Yeah, I thought it just didn't exist in the catalog list of properties. Didn't think it would be restricted. |
| 19:38.36 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:39.06 | JademusSreg | What's the design? |
| 19:41.28 | JademusSreg | And by design, I mean in qualitative, descriptive terms, definitely not an outline of whatever not-working approach has been attempted. |
| 19:42.15 | Siretu | Well, not sure if its the best way to approach it, I have a lot of things to work on since I'm doing a massive overhaul of the entire game so I just threw something together. |
| 19:42.52 | JademusSreg | Design of the feature not working, not the entire project. |
| 19:42.52 | Siretu | I did get it to work though. Since the buff application is also done in triggers, I could apply the upgrade condition there instead to limit it until the upgrade is researched. |
| 19:44.49 | Siretu | Projectile weapon applies stacking behavior on hit. Behavior increases damage taken by 1% per buff. |
| 19:46.08 | JademusSreg | And stacks applied each hit increases by n per level, yeah? |
| 19:46.32 | Siretu | No, the maximum stack size increases, not the stack per hit. |
| 19:47.50 | JademusSreg | And how many stacks are applied each hit? What are the values for the max stack increase for each level? |
| 19:48.29 | Siretu | 1, 20 max by default, only one upgrade (which increases max to 40). |
| 19:48.43 | Siretu | (Again, I've already solved the problem. |
| 19:48.44 | JademusSreg | Easy to solve. |
| 19:48.44 | Siretu | ) |
| 19:48.54 | JademusSreg | Easy to solve via data, no code required. |
| 19:49.10 | Siretu | Worth noting that all my projectile weapons are trigger-based so the effects such as applying buffs on hit is done by triggers |
| 19:50.01 | JademusSreg | Ah, in that case, an optimal data-based solution would confer little benefit to a thoroughly mixed system. |
| 19:50.49 | Siretu | :) |
| 19:56.23 | JademusSreg | Merc, did you catch the information I posted earlier? (Or are you still afkbrbdoa?) |
| 20:00.44 | JademusSreg | I must assume doa, given the complete lack of supporting evidence. |
| 20:02.38 | Bounty | I had this bizarre dream that JademusSreg was on bnet playing arcade games |
| 20:02.59 | JademusSreg | Sounds more like a nightmare. |
| 20:03.36 | Merc | back |
| 20:04.07 | JademusSreg | Merc, did you catch the information I posted earlier? (Or are you still afkbrbdoa?) |
| 20:04.12 | Merc | Did you write anything new after I said I would try to follow your guidelines the next time I made a unit? |
| 20:04.50 | JademusSreg | Nope. =D |
| 20:05.28 | Merc | alright, then I think we're in sync |
| 20:05.32 | JademusSreg | Memory lapse, side effect of [redacted] and sleep deprivation, haha. |
| 20:05.35 | Merc | been a bit afk tonight |
| 20:05.52 | Merc | dreamhack + madmen with gf |
| 20:06.06 | Merc | but I'm gonna try finishing this headhunter now |
| 20:06.15 | JademusSreg | Sounds romantic. |
| 20:06.24 | Merc | it's good stuff |
| 20:08.03 | JademusSreg | How I learned how shit worked: I'd consider the design and what feature in the standard data is most similar to its mechanics. Then, instead of duplicating, I'd look at the data entry, usually XML view. |
| 20:09.43 | Merc | I figured if I set up some really strict naming conventions for my graphics, then setting up the rough framework for my data, at least the units, would be a breeze with your template |
| 20:10.09 | Merc | ##id### all over the place |
| 20:10.33 | JademusSreg | Understanding what each of the fields do by observing how they behaved with different values (1 order of magnitude difference makes changes obvious), such tinkering proved highly instructive. |
| 20:11.03 | JademusSreg | Yep, you've got the right idea. ♥ |
| 20:13.32 | Bounty | Looks like you ended that thread for the time being JademusSreg |
| 20:13.54 | Bounty | interesting easter egg in the form of "dick jokes" |
| 20:14.14 | Merc | god damnit |
| 20:14.26 | Merc | of course the hydralisk duplication had to bring with it all kinds of junk |
| 20:14.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:14.57 | JademusSreg | Coincidentally, most threads die when I post in them. |
| 20:15.12 | Bounty | yeah I used to hate that Merc, I just make my own units now |
| 20:15.12 | JademusSreg | Merc, yeeeeeeeeeeeep. |
| 20:15.46 | JademusSreg | When I have a moment, I'll outline my new unit workflow. |
| 20:16.26 | JademusSreg | And by moment, I mean a quantity of minutes which are not currently available to me, given how busy I am. |
| 20:16.30 | Merc | If something really needs an updated and trustworthy, it's how to make a new unit |
| 20:16.52 | Merc | and by tutorial I do not mean a 30 minute long video full of heavy breathing and "uuuh where was I" and other digressions |
| 20:17.28 | JademusSreg | Remind me to look at whatever you're refering to sometime, might make a tutorial. |
| 20:17.28 | Merc | goddamn video tutorials |
| 20:17.37 | JademusSreg | Last one I posted was years ago. |
| 20:17.51 | Merc | the world was a better place before youtube |
| 20:20.59 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's useful for acquiring skills which depend on spatial reasoning and coordination. |
| 20:21.10 | JademusSreg | And also to fuel the hype machine. |
| 20:21.56 | Merc | yea |
| 20:22.03 | Merc | I guess even some tutorials are good in video format |
| 20:22.06 | JademusSreg | Less than ideal for detail oriented, dynamic tasks. |
| 20:23.35 | JademusSreg | Anyway, paste the relevant XML. =D |
| 20:23.57 | Merc | no time for another lesson right now I'm afraid, but thank you :p |
| 20:24.30 | Merc | it's some funky stuff with how the model data uses animations |
| 20:25.02 | Merc | the hydralisk uses Cover Attack when in melee range and Attack when at a distance |
| 20:25.43 | Merc | or wait, it seems to make a sound..? |
| 20:25.50 | Merc | which makes sense I guess |
| 20:25.54 | Merc | different sounds for different attacks |
| 20:26.07 | JademusSreg | Not a lesson, a fix, lesson embedded in comments. Assuming I get around to it, of course. |
| 20:26.37 | Merc | ok, for your curiosity's sake |
| 20:26.44 | Merc | let me see if I can find the relevant info |
| 20:29.42 | JademusSreg | To me, relevant is anything from the root to everything linked to it. |
| 20:30.59 | Merc | urp |
| 20:31.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:31.10 | Merc | well this is the model entry alone: https://pastee.org/8azw |
| 20:31.26 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:31.55 | Merc | and it's still Race=Zerg since Horde doesnt seem to appear in the drop down menu sometimes |
| 20:31.58 | Merc | which is odd |
| 20:32.23 | Merc | and yea, I havent conformed my m3 files yet |
| 20:32.30 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if it's easier for ya, can just send me all the XML, no need to filter it. If you want to keep the links private or whatever, send them via a private query. |
| 20:32.34 | Merc | guess I should take care of the name format there too |
| 20:33.02 | Merc | no need for privacy here, best to have it all in the open if you ask me |
| 20:33.10 | Merc | not really competing against anyone |
| 20:33.24 | Merc | but how about we dig into it tomorrow |
| 20:33.40 | Merc | maybe I'll even decide to cut it all and use your method instead |
| 20:33.44 | Merc | build units from the ground up |
| 20:34.01 | Merc | starting to sound really tempting to know wtf I'm doing at this point |
| 20:34.29 | JademusSreg | I forget, do you have programming/software engineering experience? |
| 20:34.34 | Merc | none whatsoever |
| 20:34.51 | Merc | did some oo c++ at college |
| 20:34.56 | Merc | I got the grade that means you barely pass |
| 20:35.01 | JademusSreg | Good, my memory recalled successfully. |
| 20:35.03 | Merc | and did a fist pump |
| 20:35.31 | Merc | I've dabbled in python and javascript though |
| 20:35.40 | Merc | so you could say I know the importance of syntax |
| 20:35.44 | Merc | but it sort of ends there |
| 20:35.44 | JademusSreg | Anyway, in SC2 data, as in pretty much any development project evar, the DRY principle holds. |
| 20:36.29 | JademusSreg | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRY_principle ) |
| 20:37.36 | Merc | ideological |
| 20:38.36 | JademusSreg | Methodological, close. =D |
| 20:39.19 | Merc | I attempted one of your neologisms |
| 20:40.00 | JademusSreg | Anyway, templating from parents and tokens help in that regard. Which will actually be applicable once you have more data entries, haha. |
| 20:40.21 | JademusSreg | Ah, ideological is an common word, thus my confusion. |
| 20:40.41 | Merc | oh |
| 20:42.09 | Merc | I seem to have managed to make another default light |
| 20:42.10 | Merc | geez |
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| 20:42.54 | Merc | oh well |
| 20:43.06 | Merc | I hoped to be lucky with this hydralisk copy |
| 20:43.22 | Merc | thought that if I made the model have similar animation names and entries, it would go smooth |
| 20:43.25 | Merc | but ofc not |
| 20:43.36 | Merc | gonna wrestle this tomorrow |
| 20:43.49 | Merc | thanks for all the help JademusSreg and good night |
| 20:48.54 | pirate | mmk, rewriting my base functions (read: abilities) to be more accurate, consistent, easier to upgrade |
| 20:49.08 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 20:49.09 | pirate | this leads to the missile unit/actors to be dummies |
| 20:49.39 | pirate | how do I target/kill a missile once it's "impacted" now? |
| 20:52.20 | pirate | oh |
| 20:52.23 | pirate | doy |
| 20:52.23 | JademusSreg | Few ways, but afk for a bit |
| 20:57.28 | ArcanePariah | I see JademusSreg giving out coding lessons :D |
| 21:00.06 | JademusSreg | More or less. =D |
| 21:00.44 | pirate | there's a way to link a persistent effect to a missile yes? |
| 21:00.54 | pirate | so when the persist is destroyed, the missile is too |
| 21:01.05 | pirate | I remember seeing such flags somewhere but now cannot find |
| 21:02.46 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 21:03.05 | JademusSreg | That's the pattern Kueken prefers. |
| 21:03.13 | pirate | how to |
| 21:06.51 | JademusSreg | The persistent applies its effects to the missile, periodically controls its movement, impact, and such. I prefer the collider approach, personally. |
| 21:07.07 | pirate | collider being periodic search behavior? |
| 21:07.29 | JademusSreg | Though the collider approach requires more work to return proper kill credit. |
| 21:07.55 | pirate | my projectiles project too fast |
| 21:08.12 | JademusSreg | Basically, the persistent based approach is like the collider approach, just a difference of which is performing the periodic update. |
| 21:08.26 | JademusSreg | pir, how is that an issue? |
| 21:08.48 | JademusSreg | Just scan ahead corresponding to the speed of the missile. |
| 21:09.34 | pirate | seemed like too much work to offset searches and regulate based on caster proximity (so as not to search behind caster) |
| 21:09.53 | pirate | I opted for the longhand defined periodic persistent search offsets |
| 21:10.45 | JademusSreg | And not arc 0 because? |
| 21:11.17 | pirate | a) while my projectiles are fast they are not instant, and b) width |
| 21:12.53 | JademusSreg | How much width? |
| 21:12.59 | Bounty | any new stalking developments pirate? |
| 21:13.09 | pirate | width depends on the projectile |
| 21:13.12 | pirate | and upgrades |
| 21:13.22 | pirate | much easier to define once in search effect |
| 21:13.35 | pirate | @bounty haven't checked recently |
| 21:14.13 | Bounty | let me know if they have played Tessera yet next time you check |
| 21:14.41 | pirate | june 12th they did with 6 people |
| 21:14.52 | pirate | for 10m |
| 21:15.06 | Bounty | thats it? |
| 21:15.25 | pirate | as of the 13th, that was it |
| 21:15.48 | Bounty | sigh |
| 21:15.57 | Bounty | sounds like a potential GG |
| 21:16.00 | pirate | there could be other pods |
| 21:16.05 | JademusSreg | Well, triangulation is an option. |
| 21:16.14 | JademusSreg | But yeah, offsets, haha. |
| 21:16.27 | JademusSreg | Is there an issue with offsets? |
| 21:16.32 | pirate | nope, works perfectly |
| 21:16.55 | pirate | and maybe cuz I'm noob but it seems to give better control of 'launch' location |
| 21:21.08 | JademusSreg | Ambiguous. |
| 21:21.48 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/My9KdZI.gif |
| 21:21.49 | pirate | :D |
| 21:22.03 | ArcanePariah | Meanwhile, I am iterating over my UI, shaping up quite nicely, although I wish my graphic artist was aware of the other image types. |
| 21:22.15 | JademusSreg | Haha, wat? |
| 21:22.41 | ArcanePariah | SO instead of making many images with fixed dimensions that scale like crap, made stuff that was more flexible. |
| 21:23.05 | JademusSreg | Oh, that reminds me, pir, use a plane model, not those cubes. Needlessly increases the render load. |
| 21:23.16 | ArcanePariah | Nice pirate :D |
| 21:23.19 | pirate | does plane exist? |
| 21:23.27 | JademusSreg | I've got em, yeah. |
| 21:23.37 | ArcanePariah | Pleas tell me you using a quad actor for that? |
| 21:23.38 | JademusSreg | A bunch of different ones. |
| 21:24.22 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Planes.7z |
| 21:24.45 | JademusSreg | Specifically, use /Templates/quart_physics.m3 |
| 21:24.57 | pirate | I dont know what a quad actor is |
| 21:25.18 | ArcanePariah | Well, quad may not work here, but quad is things like the aiming thing for Kerrigans charge |
| 21:25.22 | JademusSreg | It's how the target mode splats were done in swarm campaign. |
| 21:25.32 | JademusSreg | Quad and Arc. |
| 21:25.45 | pirate | I've played with arc |
| 21:25.48 | pirate | didn't know about quads |
| 21:25.55 | JademusSreg | But they aren't necessarily limited to splats. =D |
| 21:26.02 | ArcanePariah | Its an actor that has a model at the start, model to fill the middle, and a model on the end. YOu can specify the dimensions but they can be derived from other sources. Allows one to create actors that scale correctly |
| 21:26.11 | JademusSreg | So one could just as well use a quad actor to generate walls. |
| 21:26.15 | pirate | interesting |
| 21:26.17 | ArcanePariah | So strectching say, an arrow won't scale the arrow tip |
| 21:26.24 | ArcanePariah | And thus look like crap |
| 21:26.37 | pirate | yeah, I dug and tried to find out how they built the line aiming actor but I guess I didn't dig very deep |
| 21:26.53 | JademusSreg | Funny thing, "road" hard tiles are like quads, except baked into the terrain mesh. |
| 21:27.44 | ArcanePariah | I wish more was documented or had a tutorial, there are so many things to aid someone making terrain, like autogenerated doodads (rocks/etc.) |
| 21:27.58 | ArcanePariah | You can configure any time to auto spawn doodads on it. |
| 21:28.01 | ArcanePariah | tile* |
| 21:28.05 | JademusSreg | HardTile data is good for static, permanent roads and such, whereas Quad actors can be used for dynamic roads. |
| 21:28.48 | ArcanePariah | Quads would be execellent to do mazes with invisible paths or walls until you get an item to reveal the correct path or whatnot |
| 21:29.01 | JademusSreg | Yeah, nice features, though I prefer less noise if it's not mechanically controllable. |
| 21:29.07 | JademusSreg | Yupyup. |
| 21:29.11 | ArcanePariah | Like the part in Zelda Ocarina of time where you have to cross the desert |
| 21:29.26 | ArcanePariah | And need the spyglass/eye thingy to see the correct path |
| 21:29.29 | JademusSreg | I prefer the BoF3 desert of death. |
| 21:29.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:29.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:30.20 | JademusSreg | (Shouldn't take too long; I expect you'll need instructions on using the template models.) |
| 21:30.23 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, if you could, I would like your feedback on the UI parts of NOTD 2 that have been altered. Primarly bottom left corner |
| 21:30.59 | JademusSreg | (Sure. Screenshot or playtest?) |
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| 21:55.46 | A1win | "They hunt. They kill. That's why I never bought into the Jungle Book. Boy's raised by wolves, he becomes friends with a bear and a panther. I don't think so." |
| 22:07.33 | JademusSreg | Backish. Arc, wat's the media? Screenshot or playtest? |
| 22:21.16 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 22:23.02 | Bounty | peowza |
| 22:23.48 | A1win | idea: an rpg where player has (some) control over what kind of room/arera the content generator will spill out next, one of the rooms being the player's inventory/stash |
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| 22:40.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:41.20 | JademusSreg | So is the server broken? Haha |
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