| 01:10.37 | DeadZergling | Triage, such a terrible thing |
| 01:10.44 | DeadZergling | I get sicker of it by the day |
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| 01:17.23 | Bounty | peow |
| 01:21.28 | DeadZergling | hi Bounty |
| 01:21.34 | Bounty | howdy |
| 01:21.57 | DeadZergling | apparently I ended that thread, lol |
| 01:23.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:26.09 | DeadZergling | Silly me, using quotes and actual rules |
| 01:45.44 | DeadZergling | wow, careful how far into the dephs of fiverr you go |
| 01:45.49 | DeadZergling | you could come across a video like this: http://www.fiverr.com/machiavellism/read-or-do-a-testimonial-on-just-about-anything?context=best_match&context_type=rating |
| 01:52.46 | DeadZergling | ahahahahaha, http://www.fiverr.com/krisjjohnson/record-any-script-as-arnold-schwarzenegger |
| 01:53.32 | DeadZergling | too bad that joke will be all dead in a few more decades |
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| 05:28.13 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 05:28.24 | ArcanePariah | Hey JademusSreg, hows it going? |
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| 06:23.49 | luciussir | hey |
| 06:24.06 | luciussir | i keep finding information using wowmodeler to export wow models to m3 format |
| 06:24.39 | luciussir | the problem is the program ALWAYS crashes when i try to do this |
| 06:24.48 | luciussir | is there some other way ? |
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| 06:46.55 | Merc | luciussir: just gotta try different versions until you find one that works |
| 06:47.09 | luciussir | yeah the problem is the newest ne doesn't lol |
| 06:47.15 | luciussir | you're saying the older versions do ? |
| 06:47.25 | Merc | yeah |
| 06:47.56 | Merc | cant really tell you which version I ended up with, at work right now |
| 06:48.02 | luciussir | hrmmm |
| 06:48.29 | luciussir | weird that something which you would assume most would use it for ended up not working in the last 2 releases |
| 06:49.20 | Merc | apparently the m3 thing isnt what most people used it for |
| 06:49.44 | Merc | dont even ask me what it's actually used for, no idea :p |
| 06:51.34 | luciussir | nope old version crashes too.. |
| 06:52.02 | luciussir | i'm thinking if i can get an export filter for 3ds and get a trial version i can do what i'm looking to do which is to grab as much content as i can for maps |
| 06:52.38 | Merc | people have already exported a lot of models already, there are some packs on the forum |
| 06:52.59 | Merc | but yeah, kinda better to do it yourself if you're picky like me |
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| 06:56.45 | Goa__ | lol: http://tldrwikipedia.tumblr.com/ |
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| 08:23.36 | Bounty | nom |
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| 12:40.34 | Dustin | Morning gents |
| 12:40.45 | Merc | top of the mornin to ya |
| 12:41.38 | Dustin | tips his super tall hat at Merc |
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| 12:57.30 | Zolden | http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you |
| 12:57.40 | Merc | yeah that's pretty awesome |
| 12:57.51 | Zolden | smart fucker |
| 13:00.01 | ArcanePariah | brillant fucker* FTFY :D |
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| 13:30.34 | Zolden | it was worth to spend 2 weeks to create deeply customizable systems of weapons, enemies and levels, so now I can easily spam differently functioning and looking shit |
| 13:30.50 | Zolden | would take 2 months to create the same customability in sc2 editor |
| 13:31.10 | Ahli | http://i.imgur.com/n13okLf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/B8Bx2iG.png from http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/280g1f/went_to_the_balcony_for_a_sec_and_saw_this_2355/ |
| 13:31.50 | Zolden | oh crap |
| 13:32.00 | pirate_ | lol |
| 14:10.03 | Goa__ | lol Ukraine army have some serious apc-s https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/477439042955378689/photo/1 :) |
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| 16:13.07 | Bounty | peow |
| 16:30.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:31.20 | JademusSreg | Hallo Arc. |
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| 16:43.07 | Zolden | JademusSreg found gamedev job already? |
| 16:48.09 | Goa__ | If yes, hire us:D |
| 16:50.03 | Zolden | and if no, why don't you just spam games on unity for mobiles and sell them through google play/app store? |
| 16:53.12 | Tomura | do those games really sell? |
| 16:53.27 | Tomura | I thought visibility was even worse than sc2's arcade? |
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| 16:55.09 | Zolden | Tomura dunno, i'll check, need to finish a game at least |
| 16:55.26 | Zolden | but when I'm randomly searching for some games, just to play for fun or check how they made, I see that they have 1k-10m downloads |
| 16:55.31 | Tomura | would be interesting to hear about that |
| 16:55.41 | Tomura | a little money on the side with a small game might be cool |
| 16:55.43 | Zolden | it's realy hard to find a game with less than 1k dlds |
| 16:56.25 | Zolden | we can also advertise, which will also be tested by me, it would require 1-50$ minimum |
| 16:56.40 | Tomura | well ... that could be because of bad visibility ^^ |
| 16:57.14 | Zolden | well, visibility suck, hundreds of new shit get uploaded on google play |
| 16:57.32 | Zolden | every day |
| 16:57.42 | Zolden | but search works |
| 16:57.57 | Zolden | though, usually it shows popular games on top |
| 16:58.01 | Tomura | yeah that is my concern. But even steam is getting similar with gall those shitty |
| 16:58.04 | Tomura | *all |
| 16:58.07 | Zolden | so, snowballing is there too |
| 16:58.08 | Tomura | greenlight games |
| 16:58.36 | Tomura | well I would need a good concept for mobile first |
| 16:58.47 | Tomura | everything I can think of is always only suited for PC |
| 16:59.22 | Zolden | well, u're game designer, you have to be, so you'll come up with something sooner or later |
| 16:59.54 | Zolden | also, there are different ways to monetise: sell game, ads and in-game-shop |
| 17:00.07 | Zolden | different genres fit better different approaches |
| 17:01.42 | Zolden | anyway, games can be realy simple and easy to create, so you can experiment with genres you would never start making if it would take more than 2-3 weeks of time to invest |
| 17:06.42 | Tomura | yeah I'll maybe play around with UE4 a bit |
| 17:07.48 | Zolden | well, that flappy bird demo implies that UE4 allows to create fast 2d gfames too |
| 17:08.11 | Tomura | they are currently improving the 2D captabilities |
| 17:08.20 | Tomura | and I'm very used to the Unreal style of making games |
| 17:08.42 | Tomura | But I'm more thinking of simple but stylized 3d |
| 17:09.28 | Zolden | yea, 3d games probably have higher chance to attract attention based on screens: nice shaders do the job |
| 17:09.53 | Tomura | and i can test how much my phone can take before it explodes^^ |
| 17:12.40 | Tomura | well I think I'll test a little flying game with tilt controls |
| 17:14.39 | Zolden | phones getting better pretty fast, there are graphs http://stats.unity3d.com/mobile/ |
| 17:27.35 | Zolden | and yea, tilt control looks better than tap related ones |
| 17:34.29 | pirate | why is there no good collection of diablo 3 icons? |
| 17:35.26 | Tomura | the problem with tap is that you are blocking your screen alot with your finger |
| 17:35.53 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:36.40 | Zolden | also, if you need to move alot the finger on screen, friction grows because scin generates tiny amounts of water |
| 17:37.02 | Zolden | and it has huge impact on friction |
| 17:37.25 | Zolden | probably because screens are not hydrophobic |
| 17:37.39 | Zolden | at least mine |
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| 19:04.46 | Zolden | DeadZergling when will you evolve into deadhydralisk? |
| 19:06.33 | DeadZergling | I won't |
| 19:10.30 | DeadZergling | Zolden when will you evolve into a German? |
| 19:34.24 | Zolden | you mean german is 1 step towards hitler direction? |
| 19:34.46 | Zolden | if i were german, i'd say it's very racist |
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| 19:49.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:07.44 | Bounty | nom |
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| 20:28.42 | DeadZergling | pretty sure there is a better term for that, Zolden |
| 20:28.54 | DeadZergling | what country you from has nothing to do w/ race |
| 20:36.19 | DeadZergling | if anything, I'm being nationalist |
| 20:36.49 | Zolden | saying that germans are hitlers is as racist as creating a dark mage character as a nigger |
| 20:43.02 | DeadZergling | and who besides you is saying that, Zolden ? |
| 20:44.51 | Zolden | I just said something in #unity3d chat about compilation errors: "unity is robot, we are a human race, and it's well known that robots are perfect, and humans sometimes make mistakes, so when a robot complains about _possible_ human mistake, isn't it racist?" |
| 20:45.44 | DeadZergling | robots are not perfect though, they were made by humans. |
| 20:47.01 | Zolden | yea, humans taught them to express racism |
| 20:48.13 | DeadZergling | it happened again.... http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/67607-is-the-arcade-dead/#p1 |
| 20:48.22 | DeadZergling | gdi sc2mapster |
| 20:48.38 | Zolden | go agree |
| 20:48.45 | Zolden | it will be trolling |
| 20:57.28 | IskatuMesk | robots are only perfect when their ass is shined to a perfect sheen |
| 20:58.01 | Zolden | yea, by kicks of their human masters |
| 21:17.52 | Bounty | DeadZergling who did your logo? |
| 21:18.12 | DeadZergling | you mean the button? |
| 21:18.41 | Bounty | the logo |
| 21:19.08 | DeadZergling | well anyways, was Merc |
| 21:20.32 | Bounty | kk thx |
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| 21:51.16 | DeadZergling | what you up to anyways, Bounty ? |
| 21:51.19 | DeadZergling | that you are so curious? |
| 21:51.42 | Bounty | nothing much |
| 21:51.49 | Bounty | trying to come up with ways to improve the arcade lol |
| 21:52.13 | Bounty | and I asked because I gave Blizz a list of people to contact |
| 21:53.25 | Bounty | Yes you were on it DZ |
| 21:53.27 | DeadZergling | I know one way to improve the arcade, to have more deadlines that inspire people to actually work on their shit |
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| 21:53.34 | DeadZergling | I've had like no drive since 05/31 |
| 21:53.42 | Bounty | nah I mean like |
| 21:53.46 | Bounty | the in game experience |
| 21:54.00 | DeadZergling | me? what do I do to improve the arcade, lol |
| 21:54.27 | Bounty | you don't have to talk to them |
| 21:54.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:54.43 | DeadZergling | I know, I'm just curious what makes me so helpful about it. |
| 21:54.54 | DeadZergling | I just repeatedly get mad at the editor and somehow arrive at solutions, lol |
| 21:54.57 | Bounty | more minds = better |
| 21:55.52 | DeadZergling | know what I'm stuck on still, names for the guns, it is bothering me still |
| 21:56.26 | DeadZergling | anyways, hope that stuff goes well for you |
| 21:57.33 | Bounty | Just going to try to come up with a list |
| 22:00.44 | Bounty | I was thinking a wipe would be good idea DeadZergling |
| 22:00.59 | Bounty | got games that clearly will never be updated and the user has not logged on for like 3 years |
| 22:01.03 | Bounty | for games* |
| 22:01.51 | DeadZergling | I think I know what you mean, but I'm not sure if they'd go for that |
| 22:02.34 | DeadZergling | you mean just purge all maps |
| 22:02.37 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:02.40 | DeadZergling | and let people who care re-upload |
| 22:02.42 | Bounty | nah |
| 22:02.49 | Bounty | purged based on criteria |
| 22:02.50 | Bounty | like |
| 22:02.56 | Bounty | no icon, or not arcade ready |
| 22:02.59 | Bounty | or |
| 22:03.04 | Bounty | the map maker has not logged on in 3 years |
| 22:03.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:03.11 | Bounty | and its never been played or rated |
| 22:03.42 | DeadZergling | I see, that seems like just tidying up, bureacratic stuff |
| 22:04.03 | DeadZergling | not actually useful except for maybe a little performance gaining |
| 22:04.49 | Bounty | it would be to encourage browsing |
| 22:04.55 | Bounty | and not scare ppl off with 52 pages |
| 22:05.00 | Bounty | could narrow it down to like 10 or 20 |
| 22:05.08 | Bounty | so you can actually browse real games |
| 22:06.45 | DeadZergling | I see what you mean now, might need a little stricter regulations then |
| 22:07.01 | DeadZergling | not logged on in 3 years, the arcade isn't even 2 years old is it? |
| 22:07.27 | Bounty | no shit |
| 22:07.35 | Bounty | I did not give them an exact date lol |
| 22:07.37 | Bounty | just X |
| 22:07.40 | Bounty | :) |
| 22:07.56 | Bounty | 1. Lower the amount of time required (or whatever the set goal is) to get onto the up and coming list. |
| 22:08.02 | Bounty | 2. Perhaps add a "New" or "Fresh" section in the bottom left specifically for the newest games that are being played. Normally I would not have added the requirement that the game is being played but this would prevent people from uploading a blank map and taking a spot on this section. |
| 22:08.28 | Bounty | might have to add more criteria to that second one |
| 22:08.31 | Bounty | like it has to have an icon |
| 22:09.08 | IskatuMesk | actually knowing people in blizzard... good luck getting them to do anything |
| 22:14.53 | DeadZergling | an icon might be a bit much |
| 22:15.07 | DeadZergling | not everyone feels confident about making those, hell Merc made mine, lol |
| 22:16.49 | IskatuMesk | if someone can make a reasonably decent map an icon should be trivial |
| 22:17.10 | Bounty | or just use one of the arcade ones |
| 22:17.15 | Bounty | just as long as its something |
| 22:17.21 | IskatuMesk | just get your hands on some kind of photoshop template, upload that, presto |
| 22:19.29 | IskatuMesk | I mean half the "developers" on steam are using 1:1 video copilot tutorial videos they just downloaded the project files for and changed the text it, for their corporate logo |
| 22:20.04 | pirate | hmmm |
| 22:20.43 | pirate | so when giving a missile unit a periodic search effect/behavior to deal damage, if the missile is moving too fast, some targets will be unaffected |
| 22:21.10 | pirate | is there a solution that doesn't involve creating periodic search behaviors along a line? |
| 22:21.28 | IskatuMesk | can you increase the tick rate or the radius of the collision for the search effect |
| 22:21.42 | IskatuMesk | having not gotten that far in data myself, that would be my first guess |
| 22:21.57 | pirate | tick rate is 0.0625 (minimum) |
| 22:22.04 | IskatuMesk | how fast is the missile |
| 22:22.16 | pirate | "48" |
| 22:22.26 | IskatuMesk | that is a pretty fast missile haha |
| 22:22.33 | pirate | sorry, 32 |
| 22:22.46 | pirate | but yes, it's supposed to be quick quick |
| 22:23.10 | IskatuMesk | might need to increase the collision if it's a small radius |
| 22:23.10 | pirate | increasing the radius would create a larger than desirable width |
| 22:23.14 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 22:23.16 | IskatuMesk | figured as much |
| 22:23.32 | pirate | meh, periodic line search isn't terrible, I'm just lazy |
| 22:23.53 | pirate | luckily this is the only such long range ability in this map |
| 22:31.38 | IskatuMesk | whatever happened to JademusSreg, anyways? |
| 22:32.04 | Bounty | a chihuahua ate him |
| 22:32.10 | Bounty | you didn't see the commercial? |
| 22:32.12 | IskatuMesk | how violent |
| 22:32.24 | Bounty | well |
| 22:32.45 | IskatuMesk | live by the puppy, die by the puppy |
| 22:33.11 | Bounty | Have you ever heard a chiuahua chewing on a tortilla, salsa and freshly groomed teeth before? |
| 22:33.24 | IskatuMesk | a few times |
| 22:33.31 | Bounty | Thankfully Jade did not have eyes |
| 22:33.49 | IskatuMesk | tis a cruel fate for such a freshly goomed one as he |
| 22:36.21 | DeadZergling | I might actually know a solution to that problem, if you still having it, pirate |
| 22:36.30 | pirate | hmmm? |
| 22:36.44 | DeadZergling | is a trick JademusSreg showed me a few weeks ago |
| 22:36.55 | pirate | I love tricks |
| 22:36.55 | DeadZergling | do a search effect with radius 50, arc 0 |
| 22:36.59 | DeadZergling | and it just does a line |
| 22:37.10 | DeadZergling | hits whatever is in that line |
| 22:37.41 | pirate | it treats the distance as 50? |
| 22:37.56 | DeadZergling | yep, is a nice way around periodic search |
| 22:38.11 | DeadZergling | instead of 20 little 1 radius searches, just do 1 20 radius |
| 22:38.16 | DeadZergling | for a line of damage effect |
| 22:38.16 | pirate | huh, who knew |
| 22:38.23 | DeadZergling | you can do that directly with damage too |
| 22:38.28 | DeadZergling | if you want to skip the search |
| 22:38.38 | pirate | i need the searches for other things |
| 22:38.41 | DeadZergling | JademusSreg did, and he told me about it, so now you do too |
| 22:39.21 | pirate | so the search has a width of 0 though, and needs to intersect the targets radius, huh |
| 22:39.41 | DeadZergling | aye, it sounds weird, but it actually works well |
| 22:39.48 | DeadZergling | beams hit perfectly for me |
| 22:41.02 | DeadZergling | By the way, I take back what I said about Rogue Star being Inventory Star |
| 22:41.18 | A1win | weird? it makes perfect sense, just not something you'd think of easily |
| 22:41.20 | DeadZergling | and instead say, all RPGs should be called Inventory Arranging Games |
| 22:41.40 | A1win | that's true |
| 22:41.55 | A1win | been thinking of ways to make better inventories a lot |
| 22:42.01 | DeadZergling | decided to play EQ for a few hours last night |
| 22:42.14 | DeadZergling | No interest in returning after that, fuck all that noise |
| 22:42.15 | Dustin | lol EQ |
| 22:42.22 | A1win | and also why I don't really play RPGs, not since WoW anyway |
| 22:42.26 | Bounty | EQ was so amazing back in the day |
| 22:42.31 | Bounty | Ah, High School |
| 22:42.34 | Bounty | EQ and DAoC |
| 22:42.38 | Dustin | I didnt liket he First person perspective |
| 22:42.44 | Dustin | I was always more of an Ultima Online guy |
| 22:42.45 | DeadZergling | Indeed it was, I played it back in 99 |
| 22:42.45 | Bounty | I loved it |
| 22:42.56 | DeadZergling | That was the whole selling point for me Dustin |
| 22:42.58 | Bounty | but I mean it should come as no surprise that bounty likes first person view |
| 22:42.59 | A1win | haven't played either of those |
| 22:43.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:43.11 | DeadZergling | but EQ has always been third person playable as well |
| 22:43.16 | Dustin | its the same reason I never got into skyrim |
| 22:43.18 | DeadZergling | so stupid objection to have, Dustin :P |
| 22:43.21 | Dustin | Dont like FPS rpg's |
| 22:43.25 | Dustin | EXCEPT Borderlands |
| 22:43.29 | A1win | played UO a bit on an unofficial server, made potions as alchemist and nothing else, fun times |
| 22:43.33 | Bounty | yeah but i would not suggest playing EQ in third person |
| 22:43.38 | Bounty | it was clearly made for the first person view lol |
| 22:43.38 | Dustin | Omg I had such fun times with UO |
| 22:43.45 | Dustin | So much Player killing and house looting |
| 22:44.34 | A1win | skyrim and such have really bad camera/controls |
| 22:44.41 | A1win | don't fit together at all |
| 22:45.06 | DeadZergling | some people swear by it, Bounty |
| 22:45.22 | Bounty | I think the it still holds up, the first person view in EQ |
| 22:45.32 | Bounty | just the game really doesn't lol |
| 22:46.20 | DeadZergling | well, the game is infinitely more than it used to be |
| 22:46.26 | DeadZergling | but it isn't the only game in town now |
| 22:46.43 | DeadZergling | people too busy, refuse to be patient any more |
| 22:46.55 | Bounty | yeah EQ is hardcore |
| 22:47.10 | Bounty | a single level means a lot |
| 22:47.13 | Bounty | and it takes a loooong time |
| 22:47.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:47.50 | DeadZergling | well, they changed that a lot, it takes infinitely less time to get levels/AA |
| 22:47.53 | DeadZergling | then it ever used to |
| 22:48.09 | DeadZergling | trying to keep up with busy/demanding people |
| 22:48.41 | DeadZergling | as people are no longer willing to waste an hour or two of their lives |
| 22:48.49 | DeadZergling | to just get to one place to hunt |
| 22:49.38 | DeadZergling | anywho, had my fun with it, tons of stories, but that first real RPG experience, true adventure |
| 22:49.42 | DeadZergling | that shit ain't never coming back |
| 22:51.00 | A1win | my first RPG experience was with HeroQuest board game, played that for years |
| 22:51.17 | A1win | got the game when I was 7 I think, recommended age 10 |
| 22:51.17 | Bounty | I disagree DeadZergling |
| 22:51.22 | Bounty | perhaps not in the mainstream |
| 22:51.28 | Bounty | but I think you could do something like that on the Arcade |
| 22:51.43 | Bounty | Would blow SCU out the water IMO |
| 22:51.53 | Bounty | if you did it to a high level of polish |
| 22:52.00 | DeadZergling | know what blows SCU out of the water? |
| 22:52.04 | DeadZergling | fucking better controls |
| 22:52.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:52.14 | DeadZergling | and a less horrible camera |
| 22:52.28 | Bounty | Surprised they never tried to contact me |
| 22:52.38 | A1win | and less being a WoW clone (?) (haven't even tried it) |
| 22:52.43 | Bounty | but hey, we'll see what happens |
| 22:52.51 | Bounty | thats what it is A1win |
| 22:52.59 | DeadZergling | I played through it just to give it a chance |
| 22:53.03 | Bounty | thats why I think a more hardcore "mmo" in the arcade would destroy it |
| 22:53.10 | DeadZergling | my first thoughts were, well hey, this is trying to be a mmo |
| 22:53.12 | Bounty | would be a reason to play it and not a real MMO |
| 22:53.18 | DeadZergling | but the controls are total ASS |
| 22:53.55 | DeadZergling | then discovering that all you gotta do is click the little buttons that light up to win |
| 22:54.03 | DeadZergling | and being lost on where to go for half an hour |
| 22:54.04 | A1win | I know what's possible on the engine and how WoW is supposed to work -> no chance in hell it's be enjoyable to play |
| 22:54.12 | A1win | *it'd |
| 22:54.22 | Bounty | I think something like EQ would work well in the engine |
| 22:54.27 | DeadZergling | and dying repeatedly, only to discover, there is no way to lose |
| 22:54.39 | A1win | I've never played EQ |
| 22:54.45 | DeadZergling | it would, but it won't happen |
| 22:55.01 | DeadZergling | the content requirements would be horrible |
| 22:55.09 | Bounty | I think that would be a project I would work on a team with |
| 22:55.19 | DeadZergling | team of teams |
| 22:55.29 | Bounty | If the game was to have lots of abilities |
| 22:55.32 | Bounty | nah |
| 22:55.45 | Bounty | I could do most of it but I would need someone who is good with data and RPG stuff |
| 22:55.53 | Bounty | not my field |
| 22:56.05 | Bounty | inventory etc |
| 22:56.15 | Bounty | which really is half of the game |
| 22:56.19 | Bounty | so it would be a 50 50 |
| 22:56.33 | DeadZergling | I would call inventory possibly even more than 50, lol |
| 22:56.34 | DeadZergling | it is so bad |
| 22:56.41 | Bounty | I don't think I could handle working with more than one of you pricks |
| 22:56.43 | Bounty | lol <3 |
| 22:56.51 | A1win | RPGs need completely reworked inventory mechanics to be enjoyable by (my) modern standards |
| 22:57.02 | Bounty | of course |
| 22:57.09 | Bounty | and it is 50 DeadZergling |
| 22:57.10 | DeadZergling | I made the horrible mistake in my RPG of thinking, hey I should make custom icons for everything |
| 22:57.20 | Bounty | if you include the first person stuff, how the combat feels, the mosnters, the world |
| 22:57.22 | DeadZergling | thanks to that, so much FML |
| 22:57.47 | Bounty | I think you can attach a camera to an attachment point somehow |
| 22:57.51 | A1win | ...no, don't make a first person RPG on SC2 |
| 22:57.51 | A1win | <.< |
| 22:58.01 | Bounty | I'm not |
| 22:58.08 | Bounty | well not planned at least |
| 22:58.18 | A1win | why would you even consider it |
| 22:58.18 | A1win | :P |
| 22:58.25 | DeadZergling | take a fuck of a lot longer than a month or two, lol |
| 22:58.30 | Bounty | when I decide to go big I would like to make sure its not available anywhere else |
| 22:58.39 | Bounty | that to |
| 22:58.43 | Bounty | plus the payoff is uncertain |
| 22:59.43 | DeadZergling | could be no pay off |
| 22:59.57 | DeadZergling | especially considering I STILL have not released my RPG project, lol |
| 23:00.36 | A1win | I mean I could understand an RPG that uses SC2 order system as controls, if there was some awesome idea for the rest of the game, but FPS controls would utterly ruin any game made on the engine no matter how awesome the rest of its mechanics were |
| 23:00.45 | DeadZergling | worst idea ever is what I think some days, but I still have to finish the damn thing |
| 23:01.28 | A1win | (unless it could be played in offline mode) |
| 23:01.48 | A1win | but we've been through this, so I'll stop talking ;p |
| 23:02.06 | DeadZergling | I'm sure there is more points you could somehow make, A1win :) |
| 23:03.36 | A1win | making an awesome RPG would be so much work that the extra work added to it from making it on a standalone engine would easily be worth it |
| 23:05.59 | Bounty | it not be a shooter A1win |
| 23:06.12 | Bounty | the RPG we were talking about at least |
| 23:06.24 | Bounty | would be a mix of magic and melee |
| 23:06.29 | A1win | I wasn't talking about a shooter, just the control scheme used in FPS games |
| 23:06.48 | Bounty | in SC2? Works fine =P |
| 23:06.57 | A1win | says you |
| 23:06.57 | Bounty | BACK OFF BRAH |
| 23:07.14 | Bounty | and pretty much everyone who has played Tessera |
| 23:07.20 | DeadZergling | lol, you back off Bounty |
| 23:07.25 | Bounty | lets not get into this, we know how this will end |
| 23:07.29 | DeadZergling | you know this is an argument you can't win with this crowd |
| 23:07.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:07.36 | Bounty | yeah I know |
| 23:07.48 | Bounty | *face palm* |
| 23:07.53 | DeadZergling | however, the issues evident |
| 23:07.53 | Bounty | directed at myself |
| 23:07.59 | DeadZergling | wouldn't make a shit of difference for an RPG like EQ |
| 23:08.00 | A1win | pretty much everyone who has played Tessera already didn't care that the controls are so horrible when they launched an FPS game in SC2 |
| 23:08.17 | A1win | others are just "FPS in SC2? eh, not gonna touch that" -> no bad reviews ;3 |
| 23:08.23 | Bounty | SHTAWP |
| 23:08.25 | A1win | haha |
| 23:08.35 | Bounty | I refuse to have this duel |
| 23:08.38 | Bounty | again |
| 23:08.47 | A1win | it's so fun! |
| 23:08.51 | IskatuMesk | slather a man in pancake batter |
| 23:08.54 | Bounty | I feel like Islam |
| 23:09.05 | Bounty | This has been a battle I've been fighting since the dawn of time |
| 23:09.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:09.13 | Bounty | no peace to be had |
| 23:09.19 | A1win | it's just so hard to understand your side of it :P |
| 23:10.18 | IskatuMesk | my side is this: yolo 420 blazingit swag based 360 noscope |
| 23:10.19 | A1win | it all comes down to this: WHY would you play an FPS game on an engine that has a huge built-in latency if you could choose to play an FPS game that doesn't have it instead? |
| 23:10.38 | IskatuMesk | why would you build an FPS in a game that has built-in latency when you have the UDK |
| 23:11.10 | Bounty | because this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKAHvSkCEHE |
| 23:11.16 | IskatuMesk | for a player it can be something interesting if you don't take it too seriously I guess... but as a developer? |
| 23:11.27 | Bounty | Something fun on the arcade for folks |
| 23:11.45 | Bounty | ppl do take it seriously actually |
| 23:11.53 | IskatuMesk | well I mean |
| 23:11.58 | Bounty | like |
| 23:12.04 | Bounty | it works because there are no bullets |
| 23:12.04 | IskatuMesk | if you are looking for UT2004 or quake 3 level performance you just won't find it here |
| 23:12.07 | Bounty | I am not arguing for that |
| 23:12.19 | Bounty | latency would ruin projectiles |
| 23:12.29 | Bounty | but Tessera works because of the way the gun works |
| 23:12.33 | A1win | then again, I don't really even understand why people play anything on the Arcade at all <.< same goes for mobile games... I guess people just don't care enough to really get into gaming |
| 23:12.49 | IskatuMesk | yeah, same here |
| 23:13.04 | IskatuMesk | I mean I can understand why people play but I can't really feel it I guess |
| 23:13.16 | IskatuMesk | nice ui |
| 23:13.24 | Bounty | oh god |
| 23:13.29 | Bounty | tread carefully IskatuMesk |
| 23:13.33 | Bounty | you're the only person in here to say that |
| 23:13.35 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:13.36 | A1win | haha |
| 23:13.42 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:13.45 | A1win | I was just about to start screaming not to encourage Bounty about that UI |
| 23:13.54 | Bounty | I am revamping a bit |
| 23:14.12 | IskatuMesk | I mean some parts could take advantage of emissive and glow a bit to break some flat coloring look |
| 23:14.15 | Bounty | its going to be more flat to make room for some player kills you get |
| 23:14.19 | Dustin | Its like it's own platform for me, I like playing new games that use the editor creatively. That was my favorite part of the SC1 editor was finding ways to abuse the system into making creative new systems that normally couldnt be done. |
| 23:14.20 | IskatuMesk | but that's more polish stuff |
| 23:14.20 | Bounty | the whole text tag thing is not working |
| 23:15.00 | A1win | Dustin, yeah that's the fun of it, but it needs to actually work in practice too :P |
| 23:15.01 | IskatuMesk | Dustin, I spent all of armageddon onslaught trying to do things with the iscript no one had done in that game anymore... hah, as a developer it was my goal to doing things like that |
| 23:15.01 | Bounty | I want the text for your kills to be right above the UI |
| 23:15.05 | DeadZergling | sc1 was definitely an abusing contest |
| 23:15.08 | Bounty | but currently, can't fit it |
| 23:15.10 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately without ASM most of what I attempted was impossible |
| 23:15.15 | DeadZergling | the defaults SUCKED |
| 23:15.24 | A1win | I used to make super complex shit for Half-Life |
| 23:15.31 | A1win | with its horrible entity system |
| 23:15.35 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:15.48 | A1win | constantly running into entity limits and other engine limits |
| 23:16.05 | Bounty | also |
| 23:16.08 | Bounty | holy shit |
| 23:16.11 | IskatuMesk | I had DoA make a limit expander for brood war to jack up a bunch of the display limits |
| 23:16.19 | IskatuMesk | because my shit would hit the default so fast |
| 23:16.21 | Bounty | is Chinas timezone THIS behind? |
| 23:16.22 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/12945955153 |
| 23:16.28 | IskatuMesk | at the end of the day he wasn't even sure how it worked |
| 23:16.30 | IskatuMesk | it just "worked" |
| 23:16.39 | Bounty | wait |
| 23:16.41 | Bounty | i fucked up |
| 23:16.53 | Bounty | fml |
| 23:16.58 | Bounty | ignore that |
| 23:17.13 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:17.20 | Bounty | necro thread fooled me |
| 23:18.10 | DeadZergling | how the hell did you make that connection Bounty |
| 23:18.25 | Bounty | I thought it was a new thread |
| 23:18.36 | Bounty | popped up out of nowhere |
| 23:18.36 | IskatuMesk | I discovered a lot of wacky behavior in sc1 in my time |
| 23:18.37 | DeadZergling | random comments to RTC threads now mean it is disqualified? :) |
| 23:18.43 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately I probably have gotten almost all of it by now |
| 23:18.51 | IskatuMesk | forgotten |
| 23:19.23 | IskatuMesk | like, half the units in that game are seriously hardcoded in really strange ways, kind of like how diablo 2 has tons of hardcodes for certain columns or rows |
| 23:19.36 | DeadZergling | quickly, everyone post on RTC threads that aren't Death TV |
| 23:19.42 | DeadZergling | we shall disqualify all but my map |
| 23:19.57 | DeadZergling | Bounty has discovered a great loop hole! |
| 23:20.02 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:20.44 | Bounty | I gave up on the contest debates |
| 23:20.54 | Bounty | For every 1 amazing point I make, I make about 10 WTF ones |
| 23:21.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:21.38 | DeadZergling | you could make an excellent anti-alcohol campaign like that Bounty |
| 23:21.48 | DeadZergling | see the shit I say when I drink? |
| 23:21.53 | DeadZergling | this is why you need to stop! |
| 23:21.59 | Bounty | I make the good points when I am drinking as well |
| 23:22.01 | A1win | hmmh apparently I'm not on a very good mood, but I only discovered it by looking back at my behavior, as I don't feel like being on a particularly bad mood |
| 23:22.14 | Bounty | Will be drinking tonight, omgagerd |
| 23:22.27 | DeadZergling | oh, don't say that Bounty |
| 23:22.40 | DeadZergling | that means, many of your WTF moments were sober |
| 23:23.05 | Bounty | i don't know the ratio |
| 23:23.06 | IskatuMesk | alcoholic |
| 23:23.26 | DeadZergling | that'd be a study I'd read |
| 23:23.40 | DeadZergling | the effect of alcohol on Bounty's perception of reality |
| 23:23.42 | Bounty | Doing UI work tonight and wife picked me up some so, why not |
| 23:23.42 | DeadZergling | a short novel |
| 23:23.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:24.34 | A1win | I came up with an awesome new genre the other night, then I put my hands on the keyboard over the controls that I imagined for it, and it was ruined forever |
| 23:24.37 | DeadZergling | you don't understand, me saying I'd read that is really saying something |
| 23:24.45 | DeadZergling | I FUCKING HATE reading books |
| 23:24.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:25.00 | DeadZergling | I throw my kids happy animal books out |
| 23:25.05 | DeadZergling | I don't want to deal with that shit |
| 23:25.13 | Bounty | well I am glad a book about my personality would get you to read |
| 23:25.14 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 23:25.31 | Bounty | I guess thats a compliment on some level |
| 23:26.20 | DeadZergling | indeed it is |
| 23:27.16 | Bounty | so |
| 23:27.46 | Bounty | someone should make a game in which players are randomly selected to play as one of the animals in Africa |
| 23:28.06 | Bounty | kinda like Mafia, roles randomly selected and you have to achieve its goal |
| 23:28.10 | Bounty | only no talking |
| 23:28.21 | A1win | drunk already? |
| 23:28.31 | Bounty | lol no |
| 23:28.36 | Bounty | wtf |
| 23:29.37 | Bounty | I think its a good idea, especially if you had some good AI |
| 23:29.57 | Bounty | Since I think Africa has more than 14 animals total |
| 23:30.22 | DeadZergling | 14 animals or more in Africa? Crazy Talk! |
| 23:30.37 | IskatuMesk | only until I eat them all |
| 23:31.01 | DeadZergling | I don't even |
| 23:31.07 | DeadZergling | *rolls eyes* |
| 23:31.19 | IskatuMesk | man's gotta have goals |
| 23:31.44 | DeadZergling | and your goal in life is eating all the animals in Africa? |
| 23:32.20 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 23:32.24 | IskatuMesk | that's one of them at least |
| 23:32.39 | DeadZergling | Well, hope you enjoy eating invertebrates, a lot |
| 23:32.44 | IskatuMesk | it's all part of the american dream |
| 23:32.46 | DeadZergling | the bulk are going to be insects and worms |
| 23:32.53 | IskatuMesk | mmm |
| 23:33.01 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQc_v5qjS4#t=1m21s |
| 23:33.14 | Bounty | Africa Dogs OP |
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| 23:38.45 | IskatuMesk | we have vicious dogs over here |
| 23:38.48 | IskatuMesk | small, white, and yappy |
| 23:38.56 | IskatuMesk | hounds straight from the pits of hell |
| 23:39.07 | IskatuMesk | I can feel their beedy eyes staring into my very soul |
| 23:39.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:42.25 | pirate | is there any way to abuse smart casting to, for example, if you press ability hotkey 'Q' the unit will use the ability targeted at the mouse location? |
| 23:46.59 | A1win | that's not what smart casting does |
| 23:47.12 | A1win | it's just a shortcut by right clicking stuff |
| 23:47.51 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.00 | A1win | I mean, the smart cast is executed when you right click, and that's the only way to activate a smart cast |
| 23:48.19 | A1win | or is it... |
| 23:48.25 | DeadZergling | *sighs* |
| 23:48.29 | A1win | triggers can probably do smart cast? |
| 23:48.30 | DeadZergling | what are you trying to do, pirate ? :P |
| 23:48.37 | DeadZergling | before A1win veers further off on a tangent |
| 23:49.23 | pirate | nah, It's okay, I'll fake it with fancy latency predicting triggers |
| 23:49.58 | DeadZergling | suit yourself, just know I wanted something almost exactly what you are saying for my map, lol |
| 23:50.16 | pirate | I must use special tactics |
| 23:50.34 | A1win | you can't "predict" with triggers, only try to correct what's already happened :P |
| 23:50.40 | A1win | that's like the opposite of prediction |
| 23:50.51 | pirate | not with that attitude you can't |
| 23:51.04 | A1win | just meant you're using the term wrong ;p |
| 23:51.09 | DeadZergling | A1win is just a downer today |
| 23:51.42 | pirate | I'm going to predict where the user is intending to aim |
| 23:52.16 | Bounty | You tell em pirate |
| 23:52.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:52.21 | A1win | right, server side prediction rather than client side prediction |
| 23:52.28 | A1win | I guess that makes sense too ;p |
| 23:52.34 | pirate | and mask the effect by having abilities that take a few frames to charge up |
| 23:52.54 | A1win | I should sleep |
| 23:54.04 | DeadZergling | yea, you are just all sorts of grumpy |
| 23:54.30 | DeadZergling | if anyone links pics of kids, you'll probably want to bite their heads off |
| 23:55.13 | A1win | I don't dislike kids |
| 23:55.28 | A1win | you got the wrong idea :P |
| 23:56.04 | DeadZergling | Regular you might |
| 23:56.10 | DeadZergling | but Grumpy A1win might have other plans |
| 23:56.26 | A1win | I just don't have anything to contribute into a convesation about them, so I'm not interested in such conversations |
| 23:56.53 | A1win | so kids are fine, but adults who talk about them are boring :P |
| 23:57.17 | DeadZergling | your tongue sure comes out a lot when you are sleepy, A1win |
| 23:57.41 | A1win | so it seems |
| 23:57.49 | DeadZergling | you are like a reverse dog |
| 23:57.55 | DeadZergling | tongue comes out when you aren't excited |
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| 23:58.28 | A1win | the emoticon is not a facial expression, but emotional <.< |
| 23:58.49 | A1win | it's not to be taken literally |
| 23:59.05 | DeadZergling | too late :) |
