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| 00:42.21 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit |
| 00:44.49 | pirate | porque? |
| 00:45.46 | Charys | tried skipping to the action, felt silly, clicked the x |
| 00:48.30 | pirate | anyone have forums links to make kael-thas like overhead orbiting attachments/orbs? |
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| 00:58.18 | Ahli | lol, flash exploits that units always know each buildings position on the map in pathfinding |
| 01:05.28 | Bounty | what would be a good kill announcement for pushing someone off a ledge |
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| 01:05.48 | pirate | ____ Got Dunked |
| 01:33.28 | Ahli | crazy games... |
| 01:46.54 | Ahli | jesus, I hope the rest of the Bo7 will be just as amazing http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit |
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| 02:14.10 | Charys | justin bieber blood elf! |
| 02:14.16 | Charys | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=cq494&s=8#.U5PG3_RDv0Q |
| 02:14.38 | Charys | the rest of the blood elf is naked, it was a bit too graphic to include |
| 02:47.08 | Bounty | anyone else having issues uploading maps |
| 02:55.03 | DeadZergling | would anyone happen to know how to attach one unit to another. I want something kind of like a turret, only destructible, and only by attacking that turret |
| 02:57.02 | Ahli | gax can do that, I believe |
| 02:58.00 | Ahli | you would still need to move the unit to the correct position for ranges an positions, but the actor is indeed attache. |
| 03:00.40 | DeadZergling | recall what section does that? just looking for something that'd work better than me constantly moving the unit relative to that unit, lol |
| 03:01.53 | DeadZergling | or are you saying i'd still have to do that, this would just help the actor? |
| 03:02.01 | DeadZergling | As i do see an Attach Actor to Actor here |
| 03:08.29 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, my webchat go down again? |
| 03:08.36 | DeadZergling | no, guess not, lol |
| 03:10.34 | Ahli | "Attach Existed Actor to actor" |
| 03:10.59 | DeadZergling | aye, do you know how to get the actual mod w/o importing it? |
| 03:11.15 | DeadZergling | would like to see more than just the function name, and the sc2mapster version seems 2 years old |
| 03:12.28 | Ahli | bnet |
| 03:12.31 | Ahli | gax4 |
| 03:18.06 | DeadZergling | I apparently really suck at this, lol. I can find it under bnet dependencies, but can't figure out how to download it. Wasn't able to locate it on actual bnet NA or EU |
| 03:22.23 | Ahli | so, I destroyed the r key on my keyboard ;< |
| 03:27.56 | DeadZergling | what'd you do that for? |
| 03:30.14 | DeadZergling | well that's unfortunate anyways, can't figure out how to download just the gax mod |
| 03:30.22 | DeadZergling | and I don't like using functions I don't understand |
| 03:30.30 | DeadZergling | so apparently no turrets for me |
| 03:37.01 | Ahli | file -> open -> bnet -> login -> search gax4 -> open it -> save it in your mods folder -> open your map, add dependency to mod on bnet, add local dependency path to mod you just saved to the map, open trigger editor, win |
| 03:49.54 | DeadZergling | yea, but I can't see what is in the actual function like that |
| 03:51.53 | DeadZergling | that is what is driving me nuts, I can't see what is in the function |
| 03:55.24 | DeadZergling | is there a different editor I need to use to see what is actually happening in there? |
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| 03:59.54 | DeadZergling | thanks for showing how to do that one, by the way |
| 04:00.10 | DeadZergling | just need to figure out how to see what the heck this Attach Existed Actor to Actor function does |
| 04:03.59 | DeadZergling | maybe saving it as folders |
| 04:11.50 | Bounty | Anyone want to come try out the new Pitfall mode for Tessera? : |
| 04:11.59 | Bounty | DeadZergling, Ahli |
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| 04:30.41 | EntityEnigma | anyone ever made an air strike before? |
| 04:52.18 | Ahli | like ability -> plane -> drop bombs -> explosions on ground? |
| 04:52.50 | Ahli | no, but I've planned to do that with banshees for my map... |
| 04:53.47 | Ahli | man, I have no idea which keyboard to buy... I guess buying another logitech k800 is the best choice. then I have replacement parts :D |
| 04:55.17 | Ahli | thin, silent, not too wide, calculator button... illuminated (I don't care about wireless...)... or does anyone know a good alternative that might match my expectations? |
| 05:03.31 | EntityEnigma | not that technicaly knowlegdeable |
| 05:03.59 | EntityEnigma | and yeah im trying to design an ability that spawns a plane that drops a payload on target unit |
| 05:04.20 | EntityEnigma | its been pretty tough |
| 05:07.28 | Ahli | dummy effect -> trigger might be the easiest choice :D |
| 05:07.51 | EntityEnigma | hmmm |
| 05:08.08 | EntityEnigma | you mean ditch the 12 effects and 6 behaviors? |
| 05:10.11 | Ahli | in generaL: 1. create effects that drop bombs from a buff, 2. create plane that is ordered to move, 3. create ability that spawns plane at an offset (persistent effect for offset) which then should receive everything it needs to fly over the target location and drop the bombs via its unit behavior |
| 05:12.02 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 05:12.08 | EntityEnigma | sounds similar to what i have |
| 05:12.36 | EntityEnigma | was trying to modify the one that kueken posted in weekly data exersize ages ago |
| 05:13.04 | EntityEnigma | but i dont think i understand enough about whats going on to know what i need and what i dont |
| 05:16.09 | EntityEnigma | havent gotten it to work |
| 05:17.04 | Ahli | I'm going to build an UI that I don't have to update myself: text references for player names and score values for numbers... :> |
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| 05:20.27 | Ahli | damn you, why aren't you updating the score value... |
| 05:22.16 | Ahli | damned me, not running the function that contains the action |
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| 07:29.33 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:33.06 | ArcanePariah | From the dead? |
| 07:36.37 | ArcanePariah | So how is life JademusSreg? |
| 07:37.06 | ArcanePariah | Anyone else in here in the Heroes Alpha? |
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| 09:04.44 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 09:05.11 | JademusSreg | Hm, I had those old files, mined em a bit without actually running it, why do ya ask? |
| 09:09.25 | JademusSreg | Also, I wonder if they ever added PvP in D3. |
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| 10:41.04 | Zwappieq | yo |
| 10:41.14 | Zwappieq | oops |
| 10:45.01 | Zwappie | say, what do I need to make the ravasaur move like the tyranozor |
| 10:47.52 | Zwappie | ah, animation is gotta be "cover walk" now just to find it |
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| 11:38.55 | JademusSreg | TDIL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#Drilling_disaster |
| 11:48.23 | Ahli | http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Endangered_Earth_Sinkhole_Louisiana.html :D |
| 11:49.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 11:52.59 | Ahli | so, this is how you recover sunk barges >_> |
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| 12:36.42 | Merc | tdil? |
| 12:37.00 | JademusSreg | Today I Learn. Or rather ToDay, haha. |
| 12:37.09 | Merc | To Day |
| 12:37.22 | Merc | sounds all poetic |
| 12:37.23 | JademusSreg | Or with some spin on it, This Day I Learned. |
| 12:37.59 | Merc | "This day" sounds a bit unprecise |
| 12:38.22 | Merc | feels like you need to reference the day first |
| 12:38.36 | Merc | refer to* |
| 12:39.21 | JademusSreg | Ah, spin tends to lack precision, by virtue of its euphemistic distortion of fact. |
| 12:40.09 | Merc | I thought spin referred to changing the perspective |
| 12:41.18 | JademusSreg | Comes to me so naturally, when my balance fails and I fall, I manage to land in a leisurely pose. |
| 12:41.39 | JademusSreg | As though lounging on a futon. |
| 12:42.08 | Merc | Or maybe you're still spinning |
| 12:42.34 | JademusSreg | "Oh me? Just relaxing here on the skating rink." |
| 13:22.31 | Merc | so I just copied a bunch of xml from an old map where I had made some actors and stuff that I wanted to copy over to my mod/dependancy, but after pasting the code the actors and effects etc all show up with (Unnamed) after it |
| 13:22.41 | Merc | did I fuck something up? |
| 13:22.46 | JademusSreg | Ah, that's easily solved. |
| 13:23.09 | JademusSreg | The name strings are encoded separately in the locales. |
| 13:23.27 | Merc | what does that mean |
| 13:23.44 | Merc | when I rename them (remove the (Unnamed) the xml code stays the same |
| 13:23.52 | JademusSreg | Means they are plain ole .txt files in the MPQ. |
| 13:24.02 | Merc | oh |
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| 13:24.23 | Merc | did I paste it in with a wrong charset or something |
| 13:24.57 | JademusSreg | The XML data does not encode the name strings; you may be confusing ids with names. |
| 13:25.17 | JademusSreg | They are in separate files, named shit like GameStrings.txt or whatever. |
| 13:25.22 | Merc | ah |
| 13:25.37 | JademusSreg | And of course there will be different copies for each locale. |
| 13:25.39 | Merc | so if I go into the actors and rename them, it's all fine and dandy? |
| 13:26.24 | JademusSreg | You can, sure, or extract the txt files, and merge those with the files in your other mpq. |
| 13:26.49 | Merc | I have no mpq I think |
| 13:26.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:26.56 | Merc | only a .sc2mod |
| 13:27.10 | JademusSreg | .SC2Mod and .SC2Map are both mpqs. |
| 13:27.12 | Merc | or maybe sc2mod = mpq format`? |
| 13:27.13 | Merc | ah |
| 13:27.48 | Merc | so there's a bunch of fragmented shit now since I pasted in the xml stuff |
| 13:28.11 | Merc | where do I find these txt files? |
| 13:29.28 | JademusSreg | Open the mpq with MPQEditor or from the editor with the Import Module. |
| 13:30.34 | JademusSreg | The directory is %root%/%locale%/LocalizedData, so /enUS.SC2Data/LocalizedData for a North American, I suppose. |
| 13:30.58 | Merc | and I take whatever I find in there and put it where? |
| 13:31.29 | JademusSreg | GameStrings.txt and ObjectStrings.txt are the files you'd want. |
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| 13:32.59 | JademusSreg | And assuming all your ids in the XML are unchanged, edit to merge the contents and import it to the correct directory in the other mpq, it will work perfectly. |
| 13:33.01 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:33.54 | Merc | guessing it's safe to assume there's no application that merges mpqs for you? |
| 13:34.35 | JademusSreg | Ah, dunno. MPQEditor might have such features, but I expect it doesn't handle merging the individual files' content. |
| 13:37.03 | Merc | sorry, I dont understand where to put the contents of GameStrings.txt and ObjectStrings.txt |
| 13:39.40 | JademusSreg | Find the same files in your other mpq (the new home for your family of xml data <3 ) and add the contents of the former to the latter. |
| 13:40.05 | Merc | ohh okay |
| 13:46.06 | Merc | think I got it |
| 13:46.16 | JademusSreg | (Woo.) |
| 13:46.54 | Merc | oops |
| 13:46.55 | Merc | Unable to load file (Core: file not found): ComponentList.SC2Components |
| 13:47.17 | Merc | Dependency data could not be loaded |
| 13:47.26 | JademusSreg | (Yeah, that's an important file.) |
| 13:48.09 | Merc | well I cant open the sc2mod in the sc2editor now |
| 13:48.14 | Merc | which is unfortunate |
| 13:48.58 | JademusSreg | (Note: can't have em open in two processes simultaneously.) |
| 13:49.32 | Merc | I closed the mpq editor |
| 13:49.33 | Merc | hmh |
| 13:49.44 | Merc | gonna open something else with it |
| 13:50.41 | Merc | says Core: file not found when I try to open it |
| 13:50.51 | Merc | so I must have messed something up in the mpq editor |
| 13:51.34 | Merc | ComponentList.SC2Components seems to be in the root though |
| 14:07.03 | Merc | fuck it, time to start over fresh |
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| 15:32.17 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Behaviors / Conjoined - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/behaviors/conjoined/ |
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| 15:51.21 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/9kok1/ca5664b521.gif |
| 15:51.31 | Delphinium | made a flash bomb effect. |
| 15:53.03 | Merc | pretty |
| 15:53.07 | Merc | looks more like flares though |
| 15:53.27 | Merc | the stuff deployed by planes to avoid heat seeking missiles |
| 15:53.31 | Merc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_(countermeasure) |
| 15:55.44 | Delphinium | I will try that stuff too, after all the current one doesn't have enough flare and somkes |
| 15:56.00 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/9koJ8/4608d9525e.jpg |
| 15:56.05 | Delphinium | this one is cool~~ |
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| 17:09.26 | pirate | so quiet today |
| 17:15.14 | pirate | how would you go about replacing the high templar dreads with good looking fire whips :D |
| 17:42.33 | pirate | damn |
| 17:42.44 | pirate | using korean characters anywhere in a string invalidate all of it |
| 17:47.36 | mille25 | D: |
| 17:48.09 | mille25 | thats interresting. what happens if players enter a chat message in korean and you get the specified string? |
| 17:49.04 | Ahli | ??? |
| 17:49.25 | pirate | thats a good question |
| 17:49.28 | pirate | Ill look into it |
| 17:49.44 | pirate | this is puzzling because surely korean strings work in korean maps? |
| 17:50.06 | pirate | I wanted to use korean characters as psuedo protoss code for an easter egg |
| 17:51.33 | Ahli | use different style with different font within text? |
| 17:52.23 | pirate | ahh |
| 17:57.36 | pirate | okay, so the characters exist in the font I want |
| 17:57.52 | pirate | and appear when getting entered chat string |
| 17:58.05 | pirate | however they arent retrieved when stored as user data |
| 17:58.22 | pirate | that is, the user data string with korean characters is returned as null |
| 18:14.33 | Ahli | :< UI frames eat up key pressed stuff |
| 18:38.45 | pirate | yo mama eats up key presses and stuff |
| 19:05.33 | Merc | pirate: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/67255-request-wow-demon-form-model/#p2 |
| 19:05.47 | pirate | wahoo |
| 19:11.28 | pirate | welcome to rogue star credits as "modeling" instead of "additional modeling" |
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| 19:28.05 | Merc | ty ty |
| 19:28.11 | Merc | what's the difference :p |
| 19:32.45 | pirate | its like difference between graduating and graduating diasctintion - it implies greater contribution |
| 19:39.00 | Merc | so I get a hat? |
| 19:50.15 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:56.49 | JademusSreg | pir, strings in galaxy script must be ASCII chars, ANSI encoding only. Text on the other hand, despite effectively being string type which supports markup, permits Unicode, as it's UTF-8. Has everything to do with how the data is stored. String and text get their own tables, neither of which necessarily exclude unicode chars, but galaxy -script- is ANSI encoded, so string literals must be |
| 19:56.49 | JademusSreg | ASCII. To get Unicode chars into the string table, you could try the EditBox input field, as the EditText property is string type. |
| 19:58.43 | JademusSreg | Alternately, User Data string fields should permit unicode, as the SC2 data XML header explicitly declares it to encode in UTF-8. |
| 20:01.55 | JademusSreg | (Or rather more accurately, that the files should be read as UTF-8. But would be rather silly to encode in ANSI whilst declaring the content to be UTF-8.) |
| 20:07.10 | Merc | how is the lighting on portraits determined? |
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| 20:07.36 | Merc | is it taken from the map, or race settings, or? |
| 20:07.39 | JademusSreg | They both have their own in-asset sources and lighting data defined in the Model data entry. |
| 20:07.39 | Bounty | peow |
| 20:07.51 | Merc | so it's in the m3 model |
| 20:07.55 | JademusSreg | It's both. |
| 20:08.03 | Merc | hmh |
| 20:08.11 | Merc | well I had no lights on the portrait model |
| 20:08.18 | JademusSreg | Models have light sources defined in the asset -and- the Model data entry has a field for custom lighting. |
| 20:08.19 | Merc | and it looked garish as hell |
| 20:09.22 | Merc | strange, cant find anything related to lighting in the portrait model data entry |
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| 20:09.50 | JademusSreg | Model : Lighting |
| 20:10.33 | JademusSreg | I've even got examples somewhere. |
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| 20:11.43 | Merc | oh |
| 20:11.45 | Merc | Art: Lighting |
| 20:11.49 | Merc | found it |
| 20:12.05 | Zwappie | so here I am thinking about mining speed and early game, going nowhere, so I put it behind me for later |
| 20:12.46 | Merc | testing time |
| 20:12.51 | Zwappie | I take a few drinks, play a while, and when I get back to the problem I realize I have some great ideas but I'm incapable of thinking about them |
| 20:12.54 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/CaptainZealotron.SC2Map |
| 20:15.51 | Merc | Guess I'll just use Default |
| 20:16.07 | Merc | hey you're not using Art: Lighting here |
| 20:16.32 | Merc | "object family Derp" |
| 20:16.34 | Merc | harhar |
| 20:17.44 | Zwappie | what you doin merc? |
| 20:18.26 | Merc | starcraft -> warcraft mod #231 |
| 20:19.51 | Merc | what's the difference between FXA portrait and regular Portrait, facial animations` |
| 20:19.54 | Merc | ? |
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| 20:22.41 | Zwappie | hmm, anywhere I can find the average time a worker takes going from a mineral patch to deliver and back? |
| 20:23.14 | Merc | from mineral patch, to deliver, and back to mineral patch? |
| 20:23.20 | Zwappie | yea |
| 20:23.24 | A1win | liquipedia |
| 20:23.26 | Merc | depends on distance, movement speed and acceleration |
| 20:23.41 | A1win | they have it all on the wiki already |
| 20:26.31 | Bounty | Pro tip to all parents out there, don't tell your 3 year old son that pigs eat humans before taking him to a petting zoo that has them. |
| 20:27.02 | Merc | I'm guessing what you really want to know is how much minerals a worker mines on average in a given time? |
| 20:27.31 | Merc | http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mining_Minerals |
| 20:28.14 | Merc | humans probably have great bacon |
| 20:28.15 | Zwappie | thought I would make a spreadsheet to do some hugely complicated and mostly unessesary mathwork |
| 20:28.17 | Merc | can't blame them |
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| 20:48.09 | JademusSreg | Merc, implicit linking with token expression initialized fields. Most of the data types make extensive use of ##id## token expressions, which usually initialize the value of one or more fields so that it implicitly links to a data entry of a different type with the same id. Reduces the amount of work otherwise wasted manually setting each field, and reduces the size of the XML data. |
| 20:52.05 | JademusSreg | So while CaptainZealotronPortrait entry's Lighting field is grey, indicating no change (which would be blue), and there's no explicit value for the field assigned in the XML data, the ##id## token expression (inherited from the entry's parent) automagically sets the field value to the lighting data entry with the same id, CaptainZealotronPortrait. |
| 20:55.02 | JademusSreg | pir, regarding fonts: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6j0d1dt0c342z84/FontTest-Helvete.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/2c3ja543zahnbv8/FontTest-Futhark.png |
| 20:59.13 | pirate | nah, it's not a font problem |
| 20:59.35 | pirate | it's a user data / editor problem |
| 21:00.15 | JademusSreg | Merely posting shit vaguely font-related, since I enjoy the sharing the discovery. |
| 21:00.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, wat's the issue? How is it not working? |
| 21:01.14 | pirate | using korean characters in user data stored strings causes the string to return as null when called |
| 21:01.40 | JademusSreg | Show me ze data and code involved in the procedure. |
| 21:02.07 | pirate | it's simpler than that |
| 21:04.06 | pirate | make a user data entry, with a single instance, with a single string field (Data, Instance, Field, 1) = "Hello My Name is 부리 토" |
| 21:04.40 | pirate | then DebugMessage(TextToString(UserDataGetString(Data, Instance, Field, 1)) |
| 21:04.44 | pirate | )))) |
| 21:04.49 | pirate | returns null |
| 21:05.10 | JademusSreg | Always assume it's possible a problem is caused by a minor error in approach, logic, structure, or such. Given that assumption, pretty sure seeing the XML data and the code would be conducive to solving such a problem. =D |
| 21:07.28 | Zwappie | when mining minerals there a is a 0.5 delay from the mineral has been harvested to the worker beginning the return trip, but does this apply to gas? |
| 21:07.53 | JademusSreg | Zwap, it's defined in the resource behavior, iirc. |
| 21:08.40 | Zwappie | well according to the editor data there is, but I dunno how it's working in game |
| 21:09.18 | JademusSreg | Cannot parse. |
| 21:12.32 | Zwappie | nvm, it doesn't make a difference in the calculation |
| 21:15.25 | JademusSreg | Bounty, that's good advice. |
| 21:15.49 | JademusSreg | Suspiciously specific, but good advice nonetheless. |
| 21:17.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@c-67-180-210-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:31.59 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Abilities / Interact - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/abilities/interact/ |
| 22:13.35 | pirate | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13019672287?page=3 |
| 22:13.38 | pirate | such complaints |
| 22:21.41 | JademusSreg | What the fuck is this even |
| 22:22.07 | pirate | arcane, who is raudry |
| 22:31.45 | Torhal | It's going to be a shame when all the Wiki stuff is lost because people are refusing to use http://wiki.sc2mapster.com |
| 22:33.36 | pirate | lose? |
| 22:34.00 | pirate | also has anyone played, 'my queen'? |
| 22:34.45 | JademusSreg | PyroFocke invites me to recall the creationists' eagerness to publically debate with prominent scientists, skeptics, and otherwise notable secular personalities. Simple strategy, through the open spectacle of rhetorical combat, the creationists elevate their profile, as though their ridiculous position is in some way an equal match to reason and science. To be seen in conflict with a far |
| 22:34.46 | JademusSreg | greater opponent, whatever the outcome, appears to confer some quality of that greatness. |
| 22:36.34 | Torhal | pirate: When we eventually move SC2Mapster to the new software stack, the old Wiki pages will not be moved over. We opened a separate wiki site over a year ago and people are still using the old one. |
| 22:37.14 | pirate | the new one was launched from scratch? |
| 22:37.16 | pirate | people dont like change |
| 22:37.36 | Torhal | It's an actual Wiki, not this weird bullshit that the site has had for years. |
| 22:37.53 | Torhal | The new software stack won't have it, so we launched an actual Wiki way ahead of it. |
| 22:38.21 | pirate | ah |
| 22:38.28 | JademusSreg | The new wiki proper has been something of an open secret for some time. |
| 22:38.29 | pirate | I wasn't aware there was an actual wiki :( |
| 22:38.44 | Torhal | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/main-page/ is the old one, which even says as much. |
| 22:39.19 | Torhal | Hell, the new one is even in the channel topic. |
| 22:39.21 | Torhal | :/ |
| 22:39.48 | pirate | yup, and I sent SPD to the old one |
| 22:39.49 | pirate | whoops |
| 22:41.19 | JademusSreg | wants to want to contribute to the wiki, but it lacks a crunchy positive feedback loop. |
| 22:42.13 | Ahli | would it be better to use a generic key press event or only explicitly the buttons specified in multiple events that I am actually using? |
| 22:42.33 | Ahli | given that I'm using mouse move, too, so there should be quite a bit of traffic |
| 22:42.36 | Torhal | JademusSreg: What would that be? |
| 22:43.47 | pirate | Isn't explicit buttons more efficient? Less code executed overall? |
| 22:44.45 | JademusSreg | I could answer questions about SC2 technical shit, sure, narcissism ensures it. But composing the information coherently, rather than through flippant analogies, would be torture. |
| 22:45.47 | JademusSreg | Ahli, store em, event register for the specific keys on the same trigger. |
| 22:46.15 | JademusSreg | Generic, however much I prefer that approach, is not thread-conservative. |
| 22:47.23 | JademusSreg | Which means a little extra latency or game pause would queue up the events, spawn a bunch of threads next tick, kill threads inadvertently. |
| 22:47.24 | pirate | scores points |
| 22:47.43 | Ahli | uhm, what? |
| 22:47.52 | JademusSreg | I'll explain. |
| 22:48.43 | JademusSreg | Input catching trigger tends to have highest priority, tends to be "at the top", gets created first, runs before others threads in the tick. |
| 22:49.06 | Ahli | doing that |
| 22:49.11 | JademusSreg | A generic input catching event will register inputs even if the game lacks terribly such that it stutters or even if the game is paused. |
| 22:50.00 | JademusSreg | Which means it will create n many threads, potentially filling the entire stack and preventing any other threads from running in that tick, possibly ending some threads entirely. |
| 22:50.46 | JademusSreg | This can be mitigated (not prevented entirely) by using explicit key registers on the one trigger. |
| 22:51.49 | JademusSreg | (By ending/killing threads, I mean threads which were sleeping and should reactivate in that tick.) |
| 22:52.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:53.27 | Ahli | does input really run before previously existing threads? |
| 23:07.08 | JademusSreg | Depends on the aforementioned factors. This is desirable. Merely pointing out that consideration should be given to thread conservation. In practice, it would be non-trivial to achieve without shit like autohotkey. |
| 23:08.38 | JademusSreg | The thread stack is 2048, iirc, doubled some time ago. One player alone would need to activate 2048 generic key events in the tick interval to fill the stack. |
| 23:10.11 | JademusSreg | Terrible, stuttering connection or a paused game could would facilitate this, so keep it in mind. I prefer the generic, catch-it-all approach, and have yet to actually see this problem. But it's possible. |
| 23:10.13 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 23:11.09 | Ahli | 2048 :o |
| 23:16.51 | Ahli | so, instead of generic triggerr I could just use 1 event for each button and then look which one was pressed (because I'm too lazy to create a trigger for every key) |
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| 23:27.14 | A1win | you should only have 1 event even if you weren't lazy |
| 23:28.32 | Ahli | why? |
| 23:29.15 | Ahli | my goal is to reduce bandwith usage due to keypresses... |
| 23:29.16 | A1win | so that it will only create one thread whenever a key is pressed instead of many |
| 23:29.37 | A1win | you can't reduce it by making separate events for keys |
| 23:30.12 | A1win | if you have at least 1 active key press event, no matter what key it is set as, it will use bandwidth on every key press |
| 23:31.15 | Ahli | (btw, it might be possible to prevent bandwith by creating toggles as they block the event from occurring at all, if that is true) |
| 23:31.23 | Ahli | *usage |
| 23:31.30 | Ahli | toggles in UI xml |
| 23:33.10 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13087848868 |
