| 00:00.29 | Bounty | looks like they're going in alphabetical order |
| 00:00.38 | Bounty | so yeah you just got owned pirate |
| 00:00.42 | pirate | see DZ, there's no way they're just skipping bad mods :P |
| 00:00.47 | Bounty | OR your game is so good they don't need to test it |
| 00:00.51 | pirate | bounty, I'm the one who pointed that out |
| 00:01.11 | pirate | if I win, I'm going to ask them WHAT WERE THEY DOING ON JUNE 3RD |
| 00:01.11 | SPD-13 | Awesome, thanks pirate, got it |
| 00:01.34 | Bounty | I should PM Tray being like "You're being watched" |
| 00:01.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:02.08 | pirate | they probably know and thays why the skipped RS >.> |
| 00:02.44 | Bounty | Yes, we most likely have a spy in here |
| 00:02.52 | pirate | but no, I uphold my opinion that they're screening / downloading the games and not actually playing them |
| 00:02.53 | Bounty | SPD-13.... a new face |
| 00:03.03 | Bounty | lynch him |
| 00:03.05 | pirate | hence only being in game for 3-6 minutes |
| 00:03.35 | SPD-13 | Hehehe, Glad to meet you too Bounty |
| 00:03.36 | Bounty | they just "won" at a game |
| 00:04.10 | SPD-13 | First timer at Galaxy, full time developer launching myself at this |
| 00:04.16 | pirate | yes, they would send someone to ask questions about scripting |
| 00:04.24 | pirate | not one of the dozens of people that I have NEVER seen talk |
| 00:06.05 | pirate | Space Platform Escape actually looks like a fun little platformer but my connection is too poor to play it ATM... |
| 00:07.42 | Bounty | too bad he put no effort into not making it obvious that its top down |
| 00:07.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:08.05 | pirate | I really wanted to make a 'rooftop runner' styled game for awhile |
| 00:08.14 | pirate | but it would be unplayable online |
| 00:09.09 | Bounty | I just played it and the delay is too much even for me |
| 00:09.14 | Bounty | not sure what system he used |
| 00:09.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:09.20 | pirate | Space Runners looks okay too |
| 00:09.33 | pirate | I'm actually discovering a lot of interesting mods in my stalkings :P |
| 00:15.48 | DeadZergling | I.... well I still have strong delete it now, delete it with fire |
| 00:15.49 | DeadZergling | feelings |
| 00:16.50 | Bounty | aka moronic thoughts |
| 00:17.20 | DeadZergling | bah, you know I can't be happy knowing of imperfections in my map |
| 00:17.53 | pirate | you didn't publish shop breaking bugs |
| 00:18.10 | DeadZergling | well, how critical is the shop in your game? |
| 00:18.30 | pirate | you're not going to beat the boss without top tier shop items |
| 00:18.40 | pirate | wait, what am I even saying |
| 00:18.49 | pirate | how dare you talk to me without even playing rogue star |
| 00:18.50 | pirate | :P |
| 00:19.17 | DeadZergling | how could I, it uses, protoss |
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| 00:19.46 | pirate | how about when I remake facility 17 using rogue star's combat system? |
| 00:20.05 | DeadZergling | will it involve playing as protoss? |
| 00:20.11 | pirate | no... |
| 00:20.25 | DeadZergling | then my chances of playing it go up quite a bit |
| 00:21.07 | DeadZergling | <=== Has extremely adamant hatred towards protoss |
| 00:21.22 | DeadZergling | I'd just go to the shop to buy items to heal my enemies so my team would always lose! |
| 00:23.16 | DeadZergling | but if you are really that curious how I like it I can give it a shot sometime... |
| 00:23.45 | DeadZergling | wield a giant lightsaber penis with the DT and all that |
| 00:25.16 | DeadZergling | besides, I did do a run through on SFE5 of all things |
| 00:25.35 | DeadZergling | most antiskill game of all time |
| 00:26.00 | DeadZergling | do you have what it takes to click upgrades all day, and train new units!? |
| 00:26.13 | DeadZergling | if so, have we got a game for you! |
| 00:30.56 | pirate | looks like they're done for today |
| 00:33.03 | Ahli | should I add NPC soldiers to my game as fodder/realism? I plan to make an objective based WASD shooter... |
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| 00:34.59 | nice__username | Hello :) is anyone around |
| 00:35.06 | Charys | i also thought it was out of place to have auto-target npcs with players who have to aim. i'd suggest making it so that npcs can miss too (assuming players have to aim, idk anything) |
| 00:35.26 | Charys | i always thought* |
| 00:38.21 | Ahli | well, I will see... I will try it without them at first |
| 00:42.54 | DeadZergling | what do you mean by npc soldiers |
| 00:42.58 | DeadZergling | do you mean allies? |
| 00:43.15 | Ahli | first I need to make a sample map with basic objectives and class play. then I can try to build a game out of it and go nuts... so, stage 1: get engineer to a tank and repair it (base will be captured). Second, escort the tank (repair if damaged) and blow up 2 barriers the other team tries to defend. The tank will shoot a big wall down opening a path to the last stage: blow up a big cannon from the hots campaign using an engineer. |
| 00:43.47 | DeadZergling | ah, those kind of npcs |
| 00:43.56 | DeadZergling | only if you think you can do them really well |
| 00:44.01 | DeadZergling | otherwise, forget it |
| 00:44.01 | Ahli | 2 teams: attackers and defenders... I could add NPCs to soak up fire and make it more difficult to just run through areas... |
| 00:44.19 | Ahli | maybe as defenders for the last stage that don't respawn or something |
| 00:49.17 | DeadZergling | nothing makes a good game bad |
| 00:49.20 | DeadZergling | like idiot NPCs |
| 00:49.54 | nice__username | Hey guys I have a pretty straightfoward problem I think :\ |
| 00:50.08 | nice__username | I'm trying to use the campaign blink model for dark templar |
| 00:50.10 | DeadZergling | great, we have a long, convoluted answer ready! |
| 00:50.35 | nice__username | But when I import the Liberty story dependency to get the model, it overwrites some stuff on units |
| 00:50.46 | nice__username | Most importantly the oribtals can no longer Scan |
| 00:51.03 | nice__username | How can I get scan back on orbitals with that blink model on the DTs x_x |
| 00:51.13 | nice__username | I'm looking forward to any answer ^^; |
| 00:53.53 | DeadZergling | ahahaha, dogmai is so funny: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13019672287 |
| 00:54.26 | Ahli | right click the command card -> reset to parent value and chose the one that is correct |
| 00:54.43 | nice__username | I had a feeling it was something like that |
| 00:54.52 | nice__username | Let me give it a shot Ahli and thank you so much :) |
| 01:00.17 | nice__username | Agh. It's so weird |
| 01:00.26 | nice__username | So I reset to Swarm.sc2mod or something. |
| 01:00.40 | nice__username | All the values turned green as if they were changed... |
| 01:00.47 | nice__username | Scan is on the command card & in the abilities |
| 01:00.55 | nice__username | Still - not in game :( any ideas :( |
| 01:00.59 | pirate | oh dogmai |
| 01:03.52 | DeadZergling | notice how he phrases so as not to point out the fact of how damned old Tofu is |
| 01:04.39 | nice__username | Ah damn I think I broke it ._. |
| 01:04.48 | nice__username | Do you know that error when everything in the unit turns green |
| 01:04.52 | nice__username | As if it's modified |
| 01:04.54 | nice__username | But it's not : ( |
| 01:05.05 | nice__username | (data editor) |
| 01:07.05 | nice__username | Fixed it! Somehow an arbitrary requirement was added onto the scannner sweep ability |
| 01:07.46 | nice__username | Removed it and things are good. Although I still irreversibly screwed up the way the data editor is looking at the orbital ^^;; |
| 01:09.04 | nice__username | "Have Orbital Relay" is the name of the requirement that was causing problems. |
| 01:11.52 | nice__username | The SCII editor is so amazing :\ |
| 01:32.30 | DeadZergling | that thread just keeps getting longer |
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| 01:36.13 | newbie|2 | hey anyone here ? |
| 01:37.16 | DeadZergling | here-ish |
| 01:37.36 | LuciusSir | i'm making my first custom map and i was wondering |
| 01:37.58 | LuciusSir | are there like good mod websites where you can download additional units, like i for exampe want the nerzul cultists from wc3 |
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| 01:39.02 | DeadZergling | not sure on 'nerzul cultists', but sc2mapster has a rather large assets section |
| 01:39.25 | DeadZergling | if they don't have it, might be able to find someone in here if you keep trying who'd be willing to port it out for you |
| 01:47.50 | LuciusSir | hetes another good one, if i add a new unit how to link a copy of an actor against it ? the new unit template is empty... |
| 01:47.56 | DeadZergling | for some odd reason, this dude reminds me of Bounty , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVoxiFYzgvU |
| 01:48.25 | DeadZergling | have to copy the actor, then set the unit to that new one you just copied |
| 01:49.24 | LuciusSir | yeah i'm not seeing in the interface how to do that |
| 01:49.40 | LuciusSir | i have to be missing someting because i'm not seeing how to add and remove abilities either |
| 01:49.54 | DeadZergling | add and remove abilities would be under the unit section |
| 01:50.21 | LuciusSir | yeah um |
| 01:50.30 | LuciusSir | looking their i see abolities, actors, behaviors, etc |
| 01:50.32 | LuciusSir | but |
| 01:50.39 | LuciusSir | I don't see a way of adding o r removing them |
| 01:51.16 | DeadZergling | tried double clicking a section yet/ |
| 01:51.18 | DeadZergling | ??? |
| 01:51.42 | LuciusSir | yep |
| 01:52.13 | LuciusSir | if go do the following, i go to data editor -> unit, find my unit, click on my unit in the bl displays a collapsable set of lists of abilities etc |
| 01:52.17 | DeadZergling | odd, should be opening up some new windows |
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| 01:52.33 | LuciusSir | when i double click on the unit ability it allows me to edit the basics of the unit ability |
| 01:52.39 | LuciusSir | not whether the unit has them or not |
| 01:53.02 | LuciusSir | omg that is so stupid.. |
| 01:53.03 | DeadZergling | are you clicking on the section below, or the one to the right? |
| 01:53.19 | LuciusSir | its organized so you have to edit the refernce of the ability from the ability... |
| 01:53.52 | LuciusSir | but you can't even do that... wtf how do i edit the relationships of ownership between buttons, abilities and behaviors and units ??? |
| 01:54.33 | DeadZergling | well you certainly sound confused, so let's do one thing at a time |
| 01:54.39 | DeadZergling | what do you want to do to start? |
| 01:54.40 | LuciusSir | ok |
| 01:55.09 | Dustin| | Ohh fresh blood |
| 01:55.22 | LuciusSir | first i want to create a new structure unit in the data editor module |
| 01:55.38 | LuciusSir | which i did. then i want to set the actor to that of one of the doodads |
| 01:55.55 | LuciusSir | next i want to clear all existing buttons and behaviors from the building and replace it with the ones i want |
| 01:56.14 | LuciusSir | in the old sc map editor i remember this being somewhat simpler |
| 01:56.35 | DeadZergling | you at the editor at all Dustin| , you might be better suited for this then me guessing at work, lol |
| 01:57.03 | LuciusSir | oh look |
| 01:57.08 | Dustin| | Wife's gonna be home soon, so if i can solve it in 5 minutes Im a good candidate to help |
| 01:57.13 | Dustin| | Whats the problem |
| 01:57.24 | LuciusSir | there is an xml editor... so hurray if i don't want to use the graphical interface i can probably spend hours editing this lol |
| 01:58.03 | Dustin| | Go to the unit you want to copy, right click it, go to Duplicate, select only the actor for the unit |
| 01:58.03 | LuciusSir | oh there sa details view... |
| 01:58.30 | Dustin| | Then click the unit, look at the tree in the bottom left, click it's actor. Then go to Model, and change it to your doodad. |
| 01:58.52 | Dustin| | Then go back to the unit, go to command card and then remove the buttons you dont want and add the ones you do. |
| 01:59.15 | Dustin| | Then go to abilities on that unit and add the new ones and then go back to the command card and hookup the buttons to the abilities you added |
| 02:02.55 | LuciusSir | yeah |
| 02:02.57 | LuciusSir | problem is |
| 02:03.07 | LuciusSir | where the hell do i do this the inerface i'm looking at doesn't allow that shit |
| 02:04.31 | DeadZergling | all right, have you duplicated yet? |
| 02:04.36 | LuciusSir | yes |
| 02:05.01 | DeadZergling | okay, in the actor you just made, should be a model section |
| 02:05.21 | DeadZergling | you'll want to change that to the doodad you want it to be |
| 02:05.23 | LuciusSir | wait i have to duplicate the whole tree ? |
| 02:05.31 | DeadZergling | just the unit and the actor |
| 02:13.03 | DeadZergling | lol, http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13021662434 |
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| 02:20.35 | DeadZergling | wow, the whine is so strong with these people: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13019672287 |
| 02:24.33 | pirate | they're back |
| 02:25.29 | DeadZergling | makes my depressed I want to kill my project with fire shit look like the words of a fucking saint |
| 02:26.15 | pirate | DZ you should maybe not look at any sc2 related stuff for awhile |
| 02:33.00 | DeadZergling | naw, I'm saying I'm in wonderful shape compared to these whiners |
| 02:38.57 | pirate | DZ did you see "Templar TV" ? |
| 02:39.34 | DeadZergling | yea, played through it a couple times |
| 02:39.39 | DeadZergling | didn't care for it too much |
| 02:39.53 | pirate | what's wrong with it? |
| 02:40.18 | Ahli | not made by DZ |
| 02:40.21 | pirate | lol |
| 02:40.24 | pirate | ofc |
| 02:40.32 | DeadZergling | no real stage choice, camera follows, isn't a set spot |
| 02:40.40 | DeadZergling | you play as a fucking protoss |
| 02:40.49 | pirate | oh right |
| 02:41.03 | DeadZergling | too many abilities going on for what should be a simpler game |
| 02:41.19 | DeadZergling | and most the game is just don't stop running in circles to win |
| 02:41.29 | pirate | well my new stalkees played it for 12 minutes- longer than any other contest submission (besides star party) |
| 02:42.51 | DeadZergling | isn't a terrible game, but isn't a game I'd want to play again either |
| 02:42.59 | DeadZergling | I mostly did it to help ezbeats out |
| 02:43.16 | DeadZergling | I left him some pretty detailed feedback about what he could do better |
| 02:43.36 | pirate | I'm trying to decide whether or not time played has any indicator or how good the game is |
| 02:44.00 | DeadZergling | coulda just been last game they doing tonight, who knows |
| 02:44.30 | pirate | but it's not like you could really fairly judge a lot of these in 5 minutes awayway (sure, some of them are easy decisions, but not all) |
| 02:44.46 | pirate | (it did happen to be the last game they played tonight) |
| 02:46.17 | DeadZergling | wonder if ezbeats fixed the start of the stage problem he had |
| 02:46.30 | DeadZergling | I pointed out to him that the start of each new stage was clearly harder than the rest of the stage |
| 02:46.54 | DeadZergling | which is sort of, not how things should go, lol |
| 02:48.26 | DeadZergling | anywho, time for me to drive hom |
| 02:48.29 | DeadZergling | *home, even |
| 02:48.41 | DeadZergling | maybe I'll do some actual editing tonight, been too bleh the last couple nights |
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| 04:39.00 | Ahli | meanwhile at proleague in korea: http://i.imgur.com/2HDO6sr.gif |
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| 05:12.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:12.32 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:12.40 | JademusSreg | Hallo Bounty. |
| 05:12.47 | Bounty | Herro |
| 05:15.12 | JademusSreg | Here's a dose of dread/comedy: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/two-girls-say-they-stabbed-a-third-in-the-name-of-slenderman/ |
| 05:18.57 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 05:20.58 | PhallicQ | JademusSreg |
| 05:20.59 | PhallicQ | did you know that Ahli repeatedly gets the grammatical Gender of the German word for girl wrong. |
| 05:20.59 | PhallicQ | Ahli, tell her. |
| 05:22.17 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware of that, but will keep it in mind. |
| 05:22.20 | Bounty | oh dear JademusSreg... that is something else |
| 05:22.20 | Bounty | lol |
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| 05:47.36 | PhallicQ | JademusSreg, anyway |
| 05:47.40 | PhallicQ | I'm thinking of a name for my cat |
| 05:48.23 | PhallicQ | I was thinking Stalin or El Presidente. |
| 05:48.24 | PhallicQ | Or perhaps Generalissimo. |
| 05:53.37 | A1win | just woke up and had a strange urge to make a map called Sbesial Forges Uberl337 that is about spawning Forge structures through a predefimed route against waves of badly designed enemies, gettimg rid of creep in some annoying way to be able to spawn more forges and throwing stupid stuff at the players |
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| 06:12.31 | Bounty | lol A1win |
| 06:12.35 | A1win | trying to fall back to sleep but getting cool ideas for Special Forges sp: each forge spawns with a random property that's something really ridiculous |
| 06:13.07 | A1win | so it's like openimg easter eggs |
| 06:14.34 | A1win | also there should be a probe enemy that cannon rushes you and then spawns a manner nexus that starts talkimg shit to players in chat if it finishes |
| 06:16.40 | A1win | and a zergling with 100000 hp |
| 06:17.09 | A1win | and ultralisks that explode with terran explosion |
| 06:17.33 | A1win | the possibilities are endless! |
| 06:18.57 | A1win | the enemies also talk with text tag chat bubbles as they walk to you |
| 06:38.36 | Bounty | you writing them all down? |
| 06:39.04 | LuciusSir | is there a way of assigning ownership to creep ? |
| 06:39.44 | A1win | Bounty, writing what down? |
| 06:39.53 | Bounty | your ideas |
| 06:39.56 | LuciusSir | actually better question |
| 06:40.05 | A1win | don't need to ;p |
| 06:40.14 | LuciusSir | is there a way of determining if a unit is within a certain distance of another unit of TYPE |
| 06:40.32 | A1win | yes |
| 06:40.56 | A1win | search effects in data or unit group check in triggers |
| 06:42.16 | LuciusSir | please note i mean inclusively |
| 06:42.43 | A1win | inclusively? |
| 06:43.20 | LuciusSir | yes as in the unit is measured based on his distance from ANY of the structures in the unit group |
| 06:43.41 | LuciusSir | so like if the rule is 'unit a has to NOT be in range of any unit of type B' |
| 06:43.50 | LuciusSir | as the event trigger |
| 06:44.36 | A1win | well can't do it as an event, if it needs to be a continuous check, might need to make it a loop, or a periodic check in data |
| 06:44.45 | LuciusSir | ergh |
| 06:45.05 | A1win | would work just fine though |
| 06:45.27 | LuciusSir | wouldn't it have to fire like every half a second or so for a fast moving unit ? |
| 06:45.41 | A1win | sure? can even do it once every 0.0625 seconds |
| 06:46.02 | A1win | unless you have thousands of those units... then it might become a problem |
| 06:46.11 | LuciusSir | well luckily only 2 |
| 06:46.23 | LuciusSir | the poin t of the game is to keep two players main units penned in |
| 06:46.34 | LuciusSir | (from the opposite allied teams perspective) |
| 06:50.53 | A1win | what needs to happen when that thing is detected? |
| 06:51.34 | JademusSreg | Backish, |
| 06:52.20 | LuciusSir | if the unit is not within range of something enabling its movement (and thus being closer to the goal of overrunning and destroying the enemy team) it gets teleported back to the start location |
| 06:53.40 | A1win | I'd make an action definition with Repeat Forever loop with Wait 0.0625 and put the check in it |
| 06:54.27 | LuciusSir | really that quick ? |
| 06:54.46 | A1win | for each unit UnitA in (units that are not allowed to go away from a specific unit type) { if number of units in (units of type whatever within (circle around UnitA of radius x)) == 0 ) { teleport UnitA } } |
| 06:54.52 | A1win | or something like that |
| 06:55.00 | A1win | yeah, 0.0625 is the script engine tick |
| 06:57.39 | A1win | Bounty, look it already has a loading screen, spent 2 efforts making it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1211592/specialforges.jpg |
| 06:57.59 | Bounty | oh god |
| 06:58.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:58.02 | DeadZergling | damnit, just what I didn't want to happen |
| 06:58.05 | LuciusSir | hey find units, shouldn't i be able to specify pylon for example ? |
| 06:58.14 | DeadZergling | another damn party member in rogue star |
| 06:59.54 | A1win | LuciusSir, you can use the "Units in unit group within region" function |
| 07:00.03 | A1win | err |
| 07:00.12 | A1win | or just "units in region matching condition" actually |
| 07:00.19 | A1win | that can specify unit type for the search |
| 07:01.12 | A1win | and for the region, convert circle to region (and give the unit's position as center) |
| 07:01.37 | A1win | dunno how experienced you are with the trigger editor, I might not have the patience to go into extreme detail ;p |
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| 07:04.26 | LuciusSir | its actually more the condition you just gave me that is confusing once you drill down into it |
| 07:04.27 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 07:04.38 | LuciusSir | isn't using too much in the way of strong types |
| 07:06.14 | A1win | mmf? |
| 07:07.19 | LuciusSir | it all made sense except what i'm supposed to put in unit type |
| 07:07.27 | A1win | oh |
| 07:07.42 | A1win | didn't you want to check if the unit is within range of some unit type? |
| 07:07.48 | LuciusSir | if i use the unit type from string |
| 07:07.53 | LuciusSir | am i using the unit types id ? |
| 07:08.03 | LuciusSir | meaning say pylon |
| 07:08.04 | A1win | uh, why do you use unit type from string? |
| 07:08.10 | A1win | just put Pylon as value |
| 07:08.20 | A1win | not from string ;p |
| 07:08.29 | LuciusSir | oh ok, so i give it string value of pylon ? |
| 07:08.31 | A1win | there's the Value tab where you choose what it is |
| 07:08.31 | LuciusSir | case sensitive ? |
| 07:08.32 | A1win | no :P |
| 07:08.43 | A1win | don't use unit type from string ;( |
| 07:08.46 | LuciusSir | oh.. shit i thought that wouldbe preset |
| 07:08.47 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 07:09.29 | A1win | presets are just integers/booleans/strings |
| 07:09.58 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:10.09 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 07:10.17 | LuciusSir | hey wanna help me test ? :P |
| 07:10.33 | JademusSreg | Test what? |
| 07:10.40 | LuciusSir | a few triggers |
| 07:10.43 | LuciusSir | i need two players lol |
| 07:11.06 | A1win | make your triggers in a way that they work the same way for all players, then you only need to test with one ;p |
| 07:11.14 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 07:11.25 | LuciusSir | well unfortunately they kind of require a few things |
| 07:11.26 | LuciusSir | lol |
| 07:12.32 | JademusSreg | Quick question: do you have programming/software engineering experience? Helps to establish point of common reference. |
| 07:12.39 | LuciusSir | yes |
| 07:12.40 | LuciusSir | .net |
| 07:13.03 | JademusSreg | VB, C# and the like? |
| 07:13.44 | LuciusSir | c# |
| 07:13.56 | LuciusSir | i haven't touched vn |
| 07:13.58 | LuciusSir | vb* |
| 07:14.18 | LuciusSir | mainly i only ever look at vb when i can't find an answer to something in c# and have to extract the algorthm out lol |
| 07:14.18 | JademusSreg | Ah, good. C# ♥ |
| 07:15.00 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you prefer coding directly instead of clicking on GUI shit, you can script in the galaxy language directly. |
| 07:15.11 | LuciusSir | how ? |
| 07:15.20 | JademusSreg | Two approaches. |
| 07:15.55 | JademusSreg | One is to use the trigger editor module, adding New > Custom Script, and enter script into the input field. |
| 07:16.19 | LuciusSir | which doesn't really show me all the code :( |
| 07:16.37 | LuciusSir | they need a vs for jass |
| 07:17.00 | JademusSreg | The other is to save the document as .SC2Components (instead of .SC2Map or .SC2Mod), and work with multiple script files, directories, linked via include statements. |
| 07:17.26 | LuciusSir | in either case, not very friendly. |
| 07:17.37 | LuciusSir | i like autocomplete :P |
| 07:17.37 | LuciusSir | hehe |
| 07:17.45 | JademusSreg | Well, not much of a proper IDE for galaxy, but people usually get along with np++ and a userdeflang. |
| 07:17.58 | Merc | What's fastest to work with, does it all come down to habit? |
| 07:18.07 | JademusSreg | Also, galaxy script provides acces to features not available in GUI. |
| 07:18.08 | A1win | tried sublime text? |
| 07:18.22 | JademusSreg | Specifically, arrayref, structref, and funcref. |
| 07:18.28 | JademusSreg | *access |
| 07:18.55 | A1win | yeah definitely start with script instead of GUI if you're just starting with the editor |
| 07:19.10 | A1win | if you spend 4 years on the GUI crap, you get so used to it that don't want to switch over but constantly wish you had |
| 07:19.13 | A1win | :P |
| 07:19.54 | JademusSreg | (Fun fact: my WC3 modding pseudonym was Archmage Owenalacaster, worked on Power of Corruption, Magic Race entry for the wc3c race contest, and produced the Custom Race System.) |
| 07:20.33 | Merc | noone from the wc2 modding community here I take it :p |
| 07:20.57 | A1win | I was 13 when I made maps for WCII |
| 07:20.57 | Merc | would be fun to suddenly bump into someone |
| 07:21.09 | A1win | just for myself though |
| 07:21.25 | LuciusSir | the thing that kind of annoys me about the sc2 editor is how clunky the screens are for unit and effect design |
| 07:21.45 | A1win | I take it you haven't discovered the Table View |
| 07:21.45 | A1win | :P |
| 07:21.48 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp7qf9h9t8kk08g/DataView.png |
| 07:21.58 | Merc | did you play with the glorious wc2edX editor A1win |
| 07:22.06 | A1win | nope |
| 07:22.14 | LuciusSir | yes unfortunately that doesn't seem to show everything |
| 07:22.19 | A1win | I didn't even have internet connection at that time |
| 07:22.38 | LuciusSir | not nicely anyway :( |
| 07:22.39 | Merc | harsh |
| 07:22.41 | A1win | LuciusSir, just set it up like JademusSreg just linked |
| 07:23.05 | A1win | it'll all be in alphabetic order then and everything is displayed |
| 07:23.43 | A1win | Merc, well it only took like a year before I got my first modem 8o |
| 07:23.59 | A1win | though I only used it to download freeware and shareware games at first :P |
| 07:24.06 | A1win | and chat in Habbo Hotel |
| 07:24.11 | Merc | well that's what the internet was for |
| 07:24.15 | A1win | then I discovered IRC |
| 07:24.31 | Merc | and slowly download pictures of pam anderson |
| 07:24.38 | A1win | hehe |
| 07:24.52 | Merc | so about that xml / script stuff |
| 07:25.07 | Merc | would that allow you to take data you made for an old map |
| 07:25.19 | Merc | and just copy paste it to a new dependancy mod? |
| 07:25.54 | JademusSreg | Depends on conflicts and deprecated content, but yeah. |
| 07:26.37 | Merc | what kind of conflicts could I get |
| 07:26.44 | Merc | missing links to local data? |
| 07:26.53 | JademusSreg | For other insightful/amusing/useless SC2 graphics: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e8s7lwt5j6abw0t/AADyIHNeDvUx3hyddJl8ZpaKa |
| 07:28.06 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:28.14 | Bounty | the Project Cave images |
| 07:28.47 | Bounty | I'll have to return to that |
| 07:28.47 | JademusSreg | I enjoyed the aesthetic, and what I did with the headlamps and actor-based cameras. |
| 07:29.03 | LuciusSir | i wonder is there a way of changing the color of the ground around something ? |
| 07:29.10 | LuciusSir | other than creep ? |
| 07:29.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:29.34 | Merc | my progression through learning the sc2 editor the last 2 months I've been here (mostly just 3d models since I'm too wimpy for data) http://imgur.com/a/WyIZ1 |
| 07:29.35 | JademusSreg | Splats. |
| 07:29.38 | JademusSreg | Lights. |
| 07:29.51 | A1win | sunglasses |
| 07:29.54 | JademusSreg | Painted light regions. |
| 07:29.59 | LuciusSir | in a radius ? |
| 07:30.14 | JademusSreg | For what purpose? |
| 07:30.17 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 07:30.34 | Bounty | What is the one entitled Herp Zerp? That looks like it was taken in the lab area |
| 07:30.45 | LuciusSir | yayy trigger works |
| 07:30.56 | LuciusSir | to let the player know where is safe to move his massive unit too |
| 07:31.09 | LuciusSir | so you don't have people rage quitting because they have no idea how far 10 units is lol |
| 07:31.22 | LuciusSir | and hopefully can see it on the mini map... |
| 07:31.27 | LuciusSir | course you know what would be easier ? |
| 07:31.30 | JademusSreg | Oh, that's a umojan lab bridge/catwalk model thing, with embedded models in the global loop. |
| 07:31.41 | LuciusSir | making the unit ignore commands to move out range |
| 07:31.42 | LuciusSir | as well |
| 07:32.26 | JademusSreg | Range actor is the lazy approach, splats are better, applied using any of a number of actor types. |
| 07:32.40 | JademusSreg | Splat, Model, Arc. |
| 07:34.43 | JademusSreg | Attempted to find a means by which to render arbitrary actor regions on the terrain mesh (like the editor does for Regions), but it seems the rendering of the regions is an editor feature. |
| 07:35.53 | LuciusSir | well guys i must sleep |
| 07:35.58 | LuciusSir | nighty night |
| 07:36.09 | JademusSreg | (Looked through all the core actors, string dumps, even read through the shaders, but apparently the editor's ability to render the regions is more obscure.) |
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| 11:11.26 | nice__username | Helloooooo |
| 11:11.31 | nice__username | Is anyone here again : ) |
| 11:12.12 | nice__username | I'm wondering how to tell the AI to pickup a ton of units at once, like when you right click a dropship with a bunch of marines selected |
| 11:29.23 | Merc | havent got the faintest clue man, go watch gsl instead of being productive! |
| 11:30.02 | Merc | "river song" |
| 11:30.41 | Bounty | night all |
| 11:30.50 | Merc | too fast |
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| 11:41.23 | nice__username | I am watching GSL :) |
| 11:41.28 | nice__username | 2 monitors OP |
| 11:41.45 | Merc | hell yes |
| 11:45.04 | Ahli | there is no way to raise a cliff level in a footprint, isn't there? |
| 11:49.25 | nice__username | I wish I could help : ( |
| 11:49.30 | nice__username | You are always so helpful for me : ( |
| 11:49.48 | nice__username | I fixed my problem with having the AI pick up units it was very simple : ) |
| 11:49.59 | nice__username | You can tell them to "Smart command" which is ofc very useful |
| 11:50.09 | Merc | arent there levels in footprints? |
| 11:50.36 | Merc | I've only poked around with it once to fix pathing around a building I did |
| 11:51.24 | Merc | if you had been here 5 minutes earlier you'd catch deadzergling and bounty, guess they would have known |
| 11:51.44 | Merc | (I'm so helpful) |
| 11:53.06 | nice__username | Merc |
| 11:53.12 | nice__username | Are you Mercm8 on twitter |
| 11:53.16 | Merc | yup |
| 11:53.25 | nice__username | You post some really funny things to twitter sometimes |
| 11:53.25 | Merc | dont tell anyone I'm here too |
| 11:53.27 | nice__username | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.29 | Merc | ty <3 |
| 11:54.22 | Merc | you're the one who makes those "what it feels like" videos right? |
| 11:54.27 | Merc | they're pretty cool |
| 11:56.45 | JademusSreg | Ahli, yes. |
| 12:00.17 | Ahli | elaborate |
| 12:00.19 | Ahli | please |
| 12:01.27 | nice__username | Yes Merc :) |
| 12:01.35 | nice__username | I'm working on one rightnow^^;; |
| 12:01.38 | Ahli | there is boost cliff level, but it only evens out the cliff level, afaIk... I would like to give a structure a higher cliff level as that would make it reflect grenades in my map |
| 12:01.38 | nice__username | Thanks :D |
| 12:02.47 | nice__username | This next one is going to be really fun imo |
| 12:02.59 | nice__username | bcuz I'm learning new tricks w/ the editor kindof ^^; |
| 12:03.04 | nice__username | Everyone in here is always so nic |
| 12:03.06 | nice__username | nice * |
| 12:03.16 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 12:03.28 | nice__username | What are you working on Ahli? |
| 12:03.55 | JademusSreg | So, units and doodad actors have boost vision and cliff related fields, which coupled with boost cell flags in the footprint work. |
| 12:04.28 | JademusSreg | The footprint alone won't do much unless coupled with a unit or actor which has the information about the boost required. |
| 12:04.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:05.09 | Ahli | ah ok, I didn't know there were 2 fields working together. thank you |
| 12:05.37 | Ahli | I'm experimenting with developing an objective based top down shooter |
| 12:05.51 | nice__username | Oh wow. |
| 12:05.58 | nice__username | That sounds fun. |
| 12:06.02 | Ahli | with mouse and WASD controls... |
| 12:06.09 | nice__username | Oooo |
| 12:06.21 | nice__username | That's so cool. |
| 12:06.24 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, both vision and cliff boost heights are capped to the hardcoded limit. |
| 12:06.41 | Merc | Ahli: so you're back to the old project you were talking about? |
| 12:06.56 | Ahli | the one I started in december, yes |
| 12:06.58 | Merc | how does it FEEL |
| 12:07.18 | Ahli | on bnet on NA as a European, not that great |
| 12:07.19 | Merc | oh well december isnt that long |
| 12:07.45 | Merc | reason I'm asking is that my project is something I abandoned in the 90s with warcraft 2 :p |
| 12:07.54 | Merc | odd to be working on it again, only this time in sc2 |
| 12:07.56 | Ahli | lol :D |
| 12:08.14 | Merc | no longer working with sprites :( |
| 12:16.08 | Ahli | >_> no changes in cliff level at point |
| 12:18.14 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 12:18.27 | JademusSreg | Wanna paste the relevant XML data? |
| 12:21.29 | Ahli | http://hastebin.com/axamedagoy.xml |
| 12:22.16 | JademusSreg | I love how the hastebin handles are pronouncable. |
| 12:23.31 | Ahli | inb4 uses the handles for character and place names in a game |
| 12:24.19 | JademusSreg | You read my cognition process. ♥ |
| 12:26.42 | nice__username | tasteless is so funy |
| 12:26.59 | JademusSreg | http://hastebin.com/atafokoqok.xml |
| 12:28.12 | JademusSreg | Lemme find the units using em, unless you intend to. =D |
| 12:31.47 | JademusSreg | I see a trend, and it's problematic. All of the footprints in my paste are Persist type. |
| 12:32.18 | JademusSreg | Baked into the terrain permanently, which if it's required, seriously undermines your intent. |
| 12:33.03 | Merc | tasteless has been hilarious lately |
| 12:33.08 | Merc | been chugging that Hot6 |
| 12:33.11 | Ahli | yes, looks like I need to use permanent |
| 12:33.40 | Ahli | but for that structure it is fine |
| 12:33.50 | JademusSreg | took a moment to remember who Tasteless is. |
| 12:33.52 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 12:34.39 | Merc | we're watching GSL |
| 12:35.09 | JademusSreg | Though I should point out that morphing units with persist footprints may be able to provide "dynamic" adjustment of cliff levels. |
| 12:35.59 | JademusSreg | Bridges and gates are weird like that. |
| 12:36.08 | Ahli | I see |
| 12:37.56 | Ahli | I assume the information is overriding the initial information -> only persistent footprints can alter that |
| 12:38.16 | Ahli | that's why the 2 bridges work while the whole footprint is named "persistent" |
| 12:38.33 | JademusSreg | Requires testing, of course, but the hypothesis seems sound. |
| 12:39.58 | Ahli | >_> not working |
| 12:41.35 | JademusSreg | Ah, then I must ask The Platinum Question: What is the design? Specifically, what purpose is this boosting intended to achieve? |
| 12:44.04 | Ahli | allow triggers to detect high objects which will reflect grenades thrown at them |
| 12:46.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, thought as much. |
| 12:46.47 | JademusSreg | Wonder what approach I used in my demo. Still have it or need I link it again? |
| 12:46.49 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:47.27 | Ahli | which demo? |
| 12:48.28 | Ahli | well, let's see what happens when I just place that f*cking bridge |
| 12:48.34 | JademusSreg | The one with the missiles that collide with shit, go over lower terrain, impact same-height cliffs, and don't impact units on lower cliff levels. |
| 12:48.38 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 12:49.40 | Ahli | I'm not aware of that one |
| 12:52.52 | Ahli | hmm, the bridge has a boost cliff level in the unit instance property box, my cannon hasn't that one |
| 12:54.52 | Ahli | so, boosted bridge works as intended |
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| 13:16.39 | JademusSreg | Figures. |
| 13:17.04 | JademusSreg | Wonder if the field in the data editor is broken. |
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| 13:21.45 | Ahli | I had to restart the editor |
| 13:23.06 | JademusSreg | Simultaneously shockingly idiotic and comically predictable. |
| 13:24.57 | JademusSreg | MISSION DEVELOPER: Uh, this, er, the changes I've made arent't, ah, working? |
| 13:26.33 | JademusSreg | MISSION LEAD DESIGNER: Hhhh, what, the new model's textures, the AI players, the lighting, the footprints? |
| 13:28.13 | JademusSreg | MISSION DEV: Ah, mmm, uh, yes. |
| 13:42.38 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: A 2006 University of Pennsylvania study calculated the approximate bandwidth of human retinas to be about 8960 kilobits per second. |
| 13:49.59 | JademusSreg | Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#Background |
| 13:50.32 | Merc | that sounds way off |
| 13:51.27 | JademusSreg | In that case *Fun Approximation |
| 13:51.55 | JademusSreg | Haven't performed the calculation myself. |
| 13:52.17 | Merc | there's a lot to take in consideration |
| 13:52.47 | Merc | from what I remember, the narrow focus of the eye is only about 7 megapixels of information |
| 13:53.14 | Merc | but the entire field of view would need to be calculated as well |
| 13:53.54 | Merc | and how much information would each pixel be in? |
| 13:54.58 | JademusSreg | Sensor types, their quantities, states, stimulation latencies from input to output for each state, refresh rate. |
| 13:55.06 | Merc | the eye can discern about half as many individual pictures per second as there is frames in an old type of movie |
| 13:55.46 | Merc | but the refreshrate of the individual cones and .. taps? |
| 13:55.56 | JademusSreg | "Rods". |
| 13:55.59 | Merc | thats it |
| 13:56.24 | JademusSreg | Luminosity and hue or whatever. |
| 13:56.24 | Merc | apparently the refresh rate of the light/dark sensors is quite high |
| 13:56.37 | Merc | if you can even call it refresh rate |
| 13:57.01 | Merc | but it's all electric signals going through nerve endings, so I guess you could |
| 13:57.54 | Merc | but if they were right in those calculations |
| 13:58.08 | Merc | then that makes me wonder just how much of what we see is made up by our brains |
| 13:58.11 | Merc | holes that are filled in |
| 13:58.18 | Grimmov | so I'm learning to use openGL, fun |
| 13:58.41 | Merc | McGurk effect applies to the visual field as well I reckon |
| 13:59.23 | JademusSreg | The rate corresponding to the duration between the photochemical reactions of the receptor, length of the interim from the time required to return to the configuration permitting the reaction. |
| 14:00.14 | Merc | how do they estimate the amount of information though |
| 14:00.36 | JademusSreg | "Sensor types, their quantities, states, stimulation latencies from input to output for each state, refresh rate" I expect. =D |
| 14:01.35 | Merc | well, how do they estimate the quantity :p |
| 14:02.13 | Merc | seems they've discarded a lot of the information that is in a full field of view |
| 14:02.47 | JademusSreg | Suppose you have a luminosity receptor which is either active or inactive, its state encodes 1 bit. N binary luminosity receptors provides state encoding for N bits. |
| 14:03.25 | Merc | I doubt the luminary receptors are binary |
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| 14:04.18 | JademusSreg | One expects at some point in terrestrial evolutionary history, the emergence of photoreceptors was preciely that, but it's irrelevant. |
| 14:04.31 | Merc | well, sure |
| 14:06.19 | JademusSreg | More importantly, the arrangement of the receptors on the surface and variation in photochemical reaction thresholds means that such arrays of binary luminosity receptors provide effective depth of information, so to speak. |
| 14:06.37 | Merc | from what I remember, humans have a hard time discerning between more than 256 shades of gray, ranging from white to black |
| 14:07.19 | Merc | on average, at least |
| 14:08.20 | Merc | I'm not saying 9000 kbps is bad |
| 14:08.24 | Merc | it just seems low |
| 14:08.36 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, even assuming binary receptors, they would be quite capable of encoding information of a decidedly not-binary quality. |
| 14:09.17 | JademusSreg | But yeah, totally dig up some numbers on receptors and get a more accurate figure. Would be badass. |
| 14:09.50 | Merc | I imagine the density would vary between individuals |
| 14:10.11 | JademusSreg | Sure, but any data set would be better than none. |
| 14:10.20 | Merc | true |
| 14:10.33 | Merc | I gotta pack up and get my ass home |
| 14:10.35 | Merc | ttyl |
| 14:10.39 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 14:17.58 | A1win | http://oakleafgames.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/stealing-from-existing-games-part-3-someone-stole-my-idea/ |
| 14:21.29 | JademusSreg | Gimme the money shot so I know which part to read. =D |
| 14:21.31 | Ahli | hmm, I shall simulate bnet in editor tests... 125ms real time delay |
| 14:22.07 | A1win | nah it wasn't that amazing article anyway |
| 14:23.44 | A1win | you can probably guess what the content is, but maybe it's useful for anyone who still thinks their ideas can be stolen ;p |
| 14:23.48 | JademusSreg | I scanned the first few paragraphs, enjoyed the conceit, but what's the point in reading further if the conceit is discarded? |
| 14:24.12 | JademusSreg | Post a link to it on the forums, much better target. |
| 14:24.17 | A1win | hehe |
| 14:27.11 | Ahli | TLDR: worry about video game ideas being stolen when they are easy to implement and distribute. Don't worry about board game ideas because it has higher costs due to publisher, product creation, etc... |
| 14:28.09 | A1win | nah, no need to worry about video game ideas either ;p |
| 14:28.32 | A1win | he was just saying that it's more likely they get "stolen" but it doesn't really matter because they'll only get a small fraction of the market anyway |
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| 14:35.27 | pirate | pew pew |
| 14:39.22 | Dustin| | Morning gentlement |
| 14:39.22 | Dustin| | gentlemen |
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| 14:47.16 | pirate | heheh, I just remembered back in 2008, I impersonated a wow mod developer to score a WotLK beta key |
| 14:47.56 | pirate | and then again for catacyclsm |
| 14:59.30 | JademusSreg | Hallo Dustin. =D |
| 15:00.35 | JademusSreg | http://www.theastronauts.com/2013/05/you-have-an-idea-for-a-game-heres-why-nobody-cares/ |
| 15:01.04 | JademusSreg | There's my goto: link for the subject, A1. |
| 15:01.52 | JademusSreg | Also http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/issues/issue_221/6582-Why-Your-Game-Idea-Sucks |
| 15:15.45 | Merc | noticed you were in PC gamer as well pirate |
| 15:15.50 | Merc | grats |
| 15:15.57 | pirate | thanks |
| 15:16.10 | JademusSreg | Link? |
| 15:16.18 | pirate | didn't generate nearly as many views as the kotaku article though |
| 15:16.26 | JademusSreg | Links? |
| 15:16.29 | pirate | http://kotaku.com/someone-turned-starcraft-ii-into-a-turn-based-rpg-1584699762/all |
| 15:16.41 | pirate | http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/06/03/starcraft-2-becomes-a-turn-based-rpg-with-new-mod-rogue-star/ |
| 15:17.34 | Dustin| | What you were in PC Gamer? |
| 15:17.34 | Dustin| | Nice! |
| 15:17.45 | JademusSreg | Shazam, congrats, pir. =D |
| 15:18.20 | pirate | again, kotaku was a bigger deal :P |
| 15:18.21 | pirate | and thanks |
| 15:18.37 | JademusSreg | That game might rank higher than Skittles (on my well-documented candy-based game rating scale). |
| 15:19.41 | JademusSreg | Favorite part: PC Gamer completely shits the bed if JS is disabled. Like, wow, not even a default CSS defined, amazing. |
| 15:20.12 | pirate | reviews are generally good - people seem to be overlooking all the bugs in the contest submission |
| 15:21.22 | Dustin| | Sweeet |
| 15:21.38 | JademusSreg | Well, I should clarify my rating scale is not so much candy-based, or a scale. But most games get candy ratings. |
| 15:22.16 | pirate | can we get some other candy related example for comparison>? |
| 15:23.02 | JademusSreg | Sure. =D |
| 15:23.16 | pirate | I'm assuming this scale goes somethings like, 'pocket lint' to 'talking burritor' |
| 15:24.21 | A1win | I keep going back to text adventure design but I can never figure out what would actually make an interesting text adventure |
| 15:24.34 | A1win | none of the ones I've played have been any good |
| 15:25.05 | JademusSreg | Naw, for instance nearly all Bounty maps are Skittles. Small portions, flavorful, empty calories, difficult to get that satisfying fullness. |
| 15:25.18 | A1win | now I have a cool javascript/html engine for one but all content attempts have sucked |
| 15:25.29 | A1win | (even if not paying attention to my writing skills) |
| 15:25.42 | pirate | kind of requisite for text based adventures |
| 15:26.07 | A1win | yeah but I'm saying the actual mechanics suck |
| 15:26.32 | Ahli | because reading long texts sucks |
| 15:26.32 | pirate | ahh |
| 15:26.34 | pirate | yes |
| 15:26.38 | A1win | like it's really difficult to come up with ways to make the player feel like he's making meaningful choices |
| 15:26.49 | pirate | with pure text, yes |
| 15:26.49 | A1win | text doesn't have to be long |
| 15:26.54 | JademusSreg | Photon Cycles is a box of Nerds; variable but mostly quick to crunch, enjoyable but tends to make a frustrating mess, gets everywhere, can't fill the tummy or it'll make you ill. |
| 15:27.22 | A1win | I know text adventures aren't the games of the future but it's still interesting trying to figure out how to actually make a good one |
| 15:29.07 | A1win | the most promising ones are ones that focus on random encounters but can't remember any that have actually done it well |
| 15:29.22 | JademusSreg | A1's SpaceBalls game is a JollyRancher; slower to each, sticks to ya, to be savored in moderation and leisure, hard to crack but yields a satisfying crack-crunch. |
| 15:29.52 | JademusSreg | Again, since these are candy, not ultimately satisfying, but each enjoyable in their own way. |
| 15:29.53 | pirate | I vaguely remember an interesting text based game that had you collect stuff and use that stuff to build and buy things |
| 15:30.14 | A1win | well management games are easy |
| 15:30.21 | A1win | but I mean like interactive fiction |
| 15:30.22 | pirate | it was a hybrid |
| 15:30.25 | pirate | yeah |
| 15:30.39 | pirate | and it integrated well |
| 15:31.28 | pirate | by far the biggest complaint is that there isn't enough content in rogue star |
| 15:32.40 | JademusSreg | Which sounds like, and this is a high compliment by comparison, fried strips of bacon. =D |
| 15:32.49 | pirate | oh mu |
| 15:32.52 | pirate | *oh my |
| 15:33.52 | JademusSreg | Can't rate it officially until I play it, but my tentative rating it Bacon. |
| 15:33.58 | JademusSreg | *is |
| 15:35.10 | pirate | I feel like you'll criticize on skill trees and other traditional mechanics |
| 15:36.50 | JademusSreg | Much I obsess over being a font of novelty, can't reasonably criticise the thing for what it is, instead only for what it does in the context of the gameplay experience. |
| 15:37.48 | pirate | also, how do I view diablo 3 textures? |
| 15:37.57 | pirate | the internet says .TEX is hard to open |
| 15:38.31 | pirate | all I want is some more goddamn parallaxes (parallaxi?) to work with |
| 15:39.53 | JademusSreg | Aks da boyz at da diablohaak and darkbliss? |
| 15:42.38 | pirate | hmm |
| 15:42.43 | Merc | how can I see which animations are used during the Leap effects in the editor? |
| 15:43.05 | pirate | for which? snow beasts? zerglings? |
| 15:43.14 | Merc | either, really |
| 15:43.21 | Merc | kerrigan perhaps |
| 15:43.22 | JademusSreg | Random guess: Perhaps the TEX files are a multi-image format like the SC2 terrain mesh texture data. |
| 15:43.22 | pirate | look at the actor events and then find the specific animations in the cutscene editor |
| 15:43.28 | Ahli | pirate http://d2mods.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=159&t=58565 |
| 15:43.31 | Merc | ok |
| 15:44.17 | Merc | ok, so Jump Start and Jump End |
| 15:44.31 | Merc | just wondering why there is no Jump intermission |
| 15:44.33 | Ahli | drag and drop a bunch of tex files into the converter. it creates an image and some text file |
| 15:44.45 | pirate | <3 ahli |
| 15:44.51 | Ahli | not all tex files work, afaIk |
| 15:44.55 | Merc | what if the jump is very long, does it just make the Jump Start animation very long? |
| 15:45.47 | pirate | most units have a "unload" animation that looks like falling that can be looped |
| 15:46.20 | Merc | well the reason I asked was because I saw there are some Fly, Fly End and Fly Start animations |
| 15:46.29 | Merc | those seemed more reasonable |
| 15:46.48 | pirate | depends on the model |
| 15:47.00 | Merc | and the animation I am importing has this "hovering" part, and I am wondering where to put it |
| 15:47.14 | Merc | but I guess I'll use Jump Start and Jump End |
| 15:47.20 | Merc | see how that goes |
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| 15:48.12 | Merc | goddamn, there's a Hover as well |
| 15:50.00 | pirate | lets see if it can go through all 25k d3 tex files |
| 15:50.29 | Ahli | it stops working for me with like 50-100 files at once |
| 15:50.45 | Ahli | something like file name too long |
| 15:50.46 | JademusSreg | Script that shit, automate. |
| 15:51.05 | pirate | yeah, we're going down captain |
| 15:51.09 | Ahli | I wouldn't know how to do that :D |
| 15:51.13 | pirate | me neither |
| 15:51.24 | pirate | jade,you forget that we're not real developers |
| 15:51.25 | Ahli | some batch file magic? |
| 15:51.43 | JademusSreg | Or if the source is available, add said feature and/or make it less shitty. |
| 15:52.26 | JademusSreg | -Or- if it's Windows-only, can use .NET Reflector, decompile it. =D |
| 15:52.52 | pirate | hey, it processed them but where did they go? |
| 15:53.12 | pirate | ohhhhh |
| 15:53.16 | JademusSreg | (Assuming it's Windows-bound because of .NET and not reliance on some shitty DLL.) |
| 15:53.20 | Ahli | folder in your source file location |
| 15:53.28 | pirate | yeah found em |
| 15:53.37 | pirate | okay, now to find the specific background |
| 15:54.34 | JademusSreg | gets carried away when solution ideas are more interesting than, say, workflow problems. |
| 16:12.30 | pirate | do do do |
| 16:14.45 | JademusSreg | poo poo poo? |
| 16:16.34 | pirate | this is going to end up being a model and not a texture |
| 16:16.39 | pirate | and thats far too much work to import |
| 16:18.26 | pirate | OH FOUND IT |
| 16:19.20 | Merc | what are you looking for anyway |
| 16:20.47 | JademusSreg | The hidden nude Sorceress textures. |
| 16:21.29 | JademusSreg | The unused resurrected Andariel -assets-. |
| 16:22.14 | JademusSreg | The panda face textures which replace all the skulls in the Chinese localization. |
| 16:23.59 | JademusSreg | Assets for The Scoundrel, so pirate can include a character based on his roguish demeaner and swashbuckling style. |
| 16:24.06 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/f2BpZzN.png |
| 16:24.10 | pirate | I was looking for that |
| 16:24.22 | pirate | so I can use it as a parallax for the chapter 1 boss |
| 16:24.30 | JademusSreg | All of my suggestions are better. |
| 16:24.35 | pirate | and make it look like it's happening in a huge underground cavern |
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| 16:25.51 | Zandose | do trigger just disappear sometimes? |
| 16:26.00 | pirate | uh |
| 16:26.04 | pirate | not really no |
| 16:26.09 | JademusSreg | Well... |
| 16:26.16 | JademusSreg | Do you use Undo a lot? |
| 16:26.39 | pirate | remember when your mother told you, "everything happens for a reason" after she accidentally ran over your dog? |
| 16:27.12 | Zandose | not really |
| 16:27.29 | Zandose | my last two saved maps have no triggers. says they couldnt be loaded |
| 16:27.31 | pirate | okay, well, regardless it still holds true-- especially so for programming related matters |
| 16:28.00 | Zandose | guess i need to redo everything |
| 16:28.02 | JademusSreg | Undo can cause problems, but not oh-shit-it's-all-gone. More likely is a process fault during the save process, or a harddisk write fault. |
| 16:28.04 | JademusSreg | Hold on. |
| 16:28.14 | JademusSreg | Open the map with an MPQ editor. |
| 16:28.43 | JademusSreg | See if it's in there; could be malformed with invalid characters. |
| 16:29.16 | Zandose | ah |
| 16:29.25 | JademusSreg | If it's there but not being loaded, invalid characters or any other formatting error is likely at fault. |
| 16:29.36 | Zandose | i didnt copy some text from this channel into comments and they had some wired characters |
| 16:30.18 | JademusSreg | Just gotta open up the Triggers file (it's an XML format plaintext file lacking a file extension), remove the malformation. |
| 16:30.24 | JademusSreg | Ahhhh. |
| 16:30.28 | Zandose | hmm |
| 16:31.19 | JademusSreg | So yeah, follow the above instructions. Or send me the Triggers file. Or send me the map, assuming it still has the file in it/ |
| 16:32.27 | JademusSreg | Preferably in that order. =D |
| 16:32.35 | Zandose | no mpq editor |
| 16:32.54 | JademusSreg | Try the Import Manager. |
| 16:33.10 | JademusSreg | Enable the Show Reserved Files checkbox. |
| 16:33.40 | Zandose | Its magic! |
| 16:33.41 | JademusSreg | If it's in the map, it'll show up there in the root directory, probably tinted orange. |
| 16:34.18 | Ahli | is Unit Behavior Enabled bugged? |
| 16:34.32 | JademusSreg | Ahli, clarify, context? |
| 16:34.39 | A1win | anyone know some html/js magic? trying to figure out a good method of dynamically appending html from one file to another |
| 16:34.59 | A1win | now I managed it with jquery .get but it takes a lot of time to finish |
| 16:35.04 | JademusSreg | A1, clarify the purpose? |
| 16:35.32 | Ahli | I've a behavior that disabled itself with GT 60 life on the unit. I would like to check the enabled/disabled state of that behavior in triggers |
| 16:35.51 | A1win | splitting up a text adventure into some kind of data files that contain html |
| 16:35.56 | Merc | have you considered ctrl c and ctrl v |
| 16:36.31 | A1win | preferably so that any javascript in that file is also executed |
| 16:38.24 | JademusSreg | Ahli, what code is attempting to do so? Importantly, where in the galaxy stack is this called? |
| 16:38.49 | JademusSreg | A1, using an iframe? |
| 16:39.09 | A1win | nope, just inserting stuff into elements |
| 16:39.49 | A1win | and I want only to append stuff, not replace |
| 16:39.55 | Ahli | where in the stack? uhm... it's called every game loop as I don't want mouse input to alter the unit when you are wounded on the ground praying for a medic to revive you or the next respawn. |
| 16:40.19 | JademusSreg | Sure, but if the content you're inserting is a complete html document, why not employ an iframe? |
| 16:40.46 | A1win | it's not complete, just has content |
| 16:41.00 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I expected such. Next question, care to paste the relevant section of code? |
| 16:41.06 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.10 | A1win | like <p>whatever</p> |
| 16:41.48 | Ahli | if ((UnitBehaviorEnabled(gv_hero[lp_p], "_wounded") == false)) { |
| 16:42.27 | A1win | the main page has like a div where the game just keeps adding paragraphs and stuff |
| 16:42.38 | Zandose | I exported the trigger file from the map and removed the bad characters. how do i put the trigger file back into the map? |
| 16:42.48 | A1win | so it's like a blog post that gets longer and longer as you press buttons |
| 16:45.13 | A1win | like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1211592/jsta/index.html |
| 16:45.39 | A1win | but because I use the .get thing it has a huge delay before it manages to load the external file |
| 16:46.24 | JademusSreg | So insert the content between <div id="NthItem"/><div id="endItem"/> =D |
| 16:46.45 | A1win | mmh? |
| 16:47.06 | A1win | I want to get rid of that delay :x |
| 16:47.17 | A1win | maybe like preload the files into variables or something |
| 16:47.44 | A1win | but then I'd need a way to evaluate the javascript that it has loaded into it |
| 16:47.47 | JademusSreg | Ahli, hm, shouldn't be bugged. Is the behavior even present? |
| 16:48.16 | A1win | oh, eval() does that... |
| 16:48.39 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 16:48.41 | A1win | so if I could red the contents as plain text into a variable when the page is loaded and then just do eval(variable) |
| 16:49.11 | A1win | err I guess it can't eval html :P |
| 16:54.35 | Ahli | jade, yes it is present |
| 16:57.04 | Zandose | Anyone know the answer to this? I exported the trigger file from the map and removed the bad characters. how do i put the trigger file back into the map? |
| 17:04.05 | pirate | save the map as SC2Components |
| 17:04.12 | pirate | manually move the file back into the map folder |
| 17:04.21 | pirate | replace the existing bad trigger file |
| 17:18.00 | pirate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTgMU4ECnp0#t=499 |
| 17:18.15 | pirate | if only I spoke portuguese |
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| 17:22.10 | pirate | this rando brazilian guy found the master sword, dustin |
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| 17:30.28 | MindWorX | pokes JademusSreg |
| 17:37.18 | Zandose | @Pirate ITS ALIVE! |
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| 17:38.13 | Zandose | thank you |
| 17:39.57 | pirate | np |
| 17:41.20 | Zandose | hmm. script loads but doesnt run in-game |
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| 17:42.24 | Zandose | [6/4/2014 1:40:55 PM] Warning: Unable to load 'Objects' from 'C:/Users/Peter/Documents/StarCraft 2 Maps/My map/Jump/WIMP2 - 9.SC2Map' |
| 17:42.24 | Zandose | [6/4/2014 1:41:05 PM] Warning: Unable to load 't3Terrain.xml' from 'C:/Users/Peter/Documents/StarCraft 2 Maps/My map/Jump/WIMP2 - 9.SC2Map' |
| 17:44.58 | pirate | that sounds bad |
| 17:45.18 | Zandose | yep |
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| 17:53.18 | Zandose | fixed i think |
| 17:57.47 | pirate | grats |
| 17:58.28 | Zandose | now for 3d collision |
| 18:00.19 | Zandose | i need to use a init trigger to make regions but i need to use galaxy script, which i don't know |
| 18:01.51 | Zandose | anyone have a link to the galaxy script/code? |
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| 18:14.13 | Dustin| | weee |
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| 18:24.47 | Zandose | if you add a region to a region can you delete it? |
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| 18:28.46 | EntityEnigma | sigh |
| 18:29.02 | pirate | yup |
| 18:30.22 | EntityEnigma | i need to learn validators |
| 18:30.29 | pirate | i need to take a nap |
| 18:30.33 | EntityEnigma | haha |
| 18:35.04 | Zandose | naps are good |
| 18:35.09 | Zandose | i love naps |
| 18:36.37 | Zandose | so, I've saveed the new region which I added to my main region. How do I delete/remove the added region? |
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| 18:36.52 | pirate | add a negative region I dunno |
| 18:36.58 | pirate | I dont use crazy regions nonsese |
| 18:38.02 | Zandose | i see. i made a trigger to create a lot of pre-placed regions on map init. |
| 18:38.31 | Zandose | i need to either move and change the size of a region or add a new region on and remove it. |
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| 19:19.23 | EntityEnigma | whats the Fraction field responsible for in Effect>Damage>Search: Area +>Fraction? |
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| 19:29.05 | Bounty | peow |
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| 19:50.39 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:50.57 | EntityEnigma | whats the Fraction field responsible for in Effect>Damage>Search: Area +>Fraction? |
| 19:51.04 | JademusSreg | Hi thar MindWorX. =D |
| 19:51.28 | JademusSreg | It deals the factor of the value in the field Amount. |
| 19:51.45 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 19:52.08 | EntityEnigma | so if you want it to deal %100 just leave it blank? |
| 19:52.12 | JademusSreg | Fraction=1 deals the Amount*1; Fraction=0.5 deals Amount*0.5, et cetera. |
| 19:52.20 | EntityEnigma | aaah |
| 19:52.21 | EntityEnigma | tyty |
| 19:52.24 | EntityEnigma | tyvm |
| 19:52.29 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 19:55.07 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, fascination article regarding sanitation: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/06/open-defecation-solves-the-child-mortality-puzzle-among-indian-muslims/ |
| 19:57.21 | JademusSreg | *fascinating Haha |
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| 20:02.57 | DeadZergling | so how goes your spying, pirate ? |
| 20:03.11 | pirate | hm, just got up from a nap |
| 20:03.28 | pirate | about to start reformatting everything |
| 20:03.39 | DeadZergling | Goofed off on your rogue star for awhile last night |
| 20:03.51 | DeadZergling | found the master sword thing on accident |
| 20:03.54 | pirate | aye |
| 20:04.11 | pirate | +2 points DZ |
| 20:04.19 | pirate | -2 points Dustin |
| 20:04.23 | DeadZergling | I was just in RPG mode, click on everything you know |
| 20:04.48 | DeadZergling | -2 points Dustin| indeed, I played his star smash map |
| 20:05.01 | DeadZergling | anyways, I found another bug that really bothered me |
| 20:05.10 | DeadZergling | with your rogue star |
| 20:05.13 | pirate | oh no |
| 20:05.40 | DeadZergling | Sometimes, my dude would path poorly when I told him to tactic just to the edge of the blue zone |
| 20:05.43 | A1win | woot now my file preloading works |
| 20:05.52 | DeadZergling | and skip his turn |
| 20:06.08 | A1win | and all my content is defined in external html files, split neatly into divs with IDs |
| 20:06.14 | pirate | if any part of the square you move to touches yellow it's turn over |
| 20:06.24 | pirate | it's admittedly not very intuitive |
| 20:06.29 | DeadZergling | no, it was not that |
| 20:06.31 | pirate | (but mentioned in the tutorial) |
| 20:06.31 | A1win | https://pastee.org/hmr2f this file for example produces an adventure like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1211592/jsta/index.html |
| 20:06.34 | DeadZergling | he got stuck a bit |
| 20:06.41 | DeadZergling | doubled back some |
| 20:06.45 | DeadZergling | it was well within the blue |
| 20:06.56 | pirate | I'm going to be revamping the whole pathing a bit next big push |
| 20:07.01 | DeadZergling | just turn collisions off while he is moving, clear that up |
| 20:07.13 | pirate | that interferes with attack moving |
| 20:07.24 | DeadZergling | well it is frustrating in any case |
| 20:07.25 | pirate | er, until i changed something |
| 20:07.33 | pirate | I actually do turn of collision while it's a units turn |
| 20:07.41 | DeadZergling | anyways, lost to the giant maul guy |
| 20:07.49 | DeadZergling | had the shop turn off, which was fine, as I could just restart |
| 20:07.58 | DeadZergling | but then I realized I'd have to go through boulder/probe funland again |
| 20:08.03 | DeadZergling | so said f that and was done for the night |
| 20:08.15 | pirate | if you get to the boss, and you reload, it starts at the boss |
| 20:08.30 | DeadZergling | that is, really odd |
| 20:08.36 | pirate | ? |
| 20:08.40 | pirate | like theres a checkpoint |
| 20:08.45 | DeadZergling | because it restarted me at the forge thing |
| 20:08.55 | DeadZergling | as if I had not gone to the mines to get a new bridge crystal |
| 20:08.56 | pirate | was the bridge back? |
| 20:08.59 | DeadZergling | no |
| 20:09.04 | DeadZergling | the bridge was gone |
| 20:09.13 | pirate | did you have the crystal in your inventory? |
| 20:09.13 | pirate | ruh roh |
| 20:09.21 | DeadZergling | nope |
| 20:09.28 | pirate | in that case, the enemies are still dead |
| 20:09.31 | DeadZergling | i went to the bridge thing |
| 20:09.38 | pirate | but you have to walk through to get the crystal again |
| 20:09.44 | DeadZergling | didn't give me the use crystal dialog |
| 20:10.01 | pirate | if you use the ally to teleport back to the main room, it saves (with the crystal in your inventory) |
| 20:10.04 | pirate | ah the way of bugs |
| 20:10.09 | DeadZergling | well anyways |
| 20:10.13 | DeadZergling | my general impression from it was f this |
| 20:10.19 | DeadZergling | I'm doing something else |
| 20:10.20 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 20:10.41 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 20:10.51 | DeadZergling | hi Bounty |
| 20:11.15 | Bounty | I am starting development for freeze tag mode soon, let me know what you think of this. You freeze people with your beam obviously and to unfreeze teammates you have to shoot them twice |
| 20:11.21 | JademusSreg | Ploop. |
| 20:11.32 | Bounty | you can chime in as well JademusSreg |
| 20:12.12 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, typically freeze tag you gotta stand near your ally to unfreeze him |
| 20:12.30 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:12.32 | DeadZergling | not sure I'd want to spend the time to waste 2 whole shots on an ally |
| 20:12.40 | Bounty | but that would be almost impossible in this game lol |
| 20:12.53 | Bounty | very likely to get sniped |
| 20:13.02 | Bounty | 1 shot seems to easy |
| 20:13.06 | DeadZergling | very likely to get sniped wasting 2 shots on your man |
| 20:13.37 | DeadZergling | if you set it up so it takes 3 seconds to thaw him, could easily shield that |
| 20:13.55 | Bounty | 3 seconds via standing next to him? |
| 20:14.21 | DeadZergling | is what I'd expect of a FPS freeze tag |
| 20:14.24 | DeadZergling | but that is just me |
| 20:14.34 | DeadZergling | just 1 shot, yea that is a bit easy |
| 20:14.42 | DeadZergling | but 2 shots, that is asking to get frozen yourself |
| 20:14.48 | DeadZergling | I'd rather be able to be sneaky |
| 20:15.29 | DeadZergling | other than that it seemed all right as far as RPGs go pirate, although it felt like Inventory Star honestly |
| 20:15.46 | DeadZergling | fight 1 or 2 guys, loot, re-arrange inventory, etc etc |
| 20:16.07 | DeadZergling | then the introduction of the shop, means even more decision making |
| 20:16.19 | pirate | that's the diea |
| 20:17.20 | DeadZergling | meanwhile I just want to make the toss go die |
| 20:17.37 | DeadZergling | including Vaas, I intentionally let him die as often as possible |
| 20:20.01 | DeadZergling | and not sure if this was intentional, but I ended up with a dark probe and unpowered cannon I couldn't kill |
| 20:20.04 | DeadZergling | they just sat there |
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| 20:22.22 | JademusSreg | Bounty, instead of making candy, perhaps you could bake a cake. |
| 20:22.39 | Bounty | for Tessera or an entirely new game |
| 20:22.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:23.37 | JademusSreg | Rather doubt one could make a cake composed only of skittles. |
| 20:23.52 | Bounty | >.< |
| 20:23.58 | Bounty | Well I would like to finish Tessera |
| 20:24.03 | Bounty | before starting anything new |
| 20:24.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:24.20 | Bounty | 3 modes and 1 map is empty |
| 20:24.23 | Bounty | saying COMING SOON |
| 20:24.23 | JademusSreg | Good follow-through. |
| 20:26.14 | DeadZergling | I considered doing more with Death TV last night, but never came to the what part, lol |
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| 20:32.23 | DeadZergling | thought banks/achievements, but that sounded lame, also thought of making it semi-3d, but that too sounded lame |
| 20:32.31 | DeadZergling | I may need to move onto a new cake :P |
| 20:33.30 | A1win | text adventures are the new thing |
| 20:33.47 | DeadZergling | no, I'm not going back to fightbot channel |
| 20:33.50 | DeadZergling | and you can't make me! |
| 20:35.03 | DeadZergling | anyways, what excitement you working on, A1win ? |
| 20:35.24 | A1win | just writing a text adventure engine in javascript |
| 20:36.50 | DeadZergling | is it because text adventures greatly interest you, or more an excuse to learn javascript? |
| 20:36.57 | Ahli | ok, time to work on my map again |
| 20:37.08 | A1win | they interest me from time to time |
| 20:37.18 | DeadZergling | add more demons, Ahli ! |
| 20:37.25 | DeadZergling | or diablo bros |
| 20:37.37 | A1win | I write stuff sometimes so I'm trying to combine two of my hobbies into one ;p |
| 20:37.37 | Ahli | the other map |
| 20:37.48 | DeadZergling | oh, that one |
| 20:37.55 | Ahli | which one? |
| 20:37.57 | DeadZergling | but you are like, the diablo guy |
| 20:38.09 | A1win | so far all text adventures I've seen have sucked, and I'm not having much luck either, but maybe I'll figure something out <.< |
| 20:38.21 | A1win | one day |
| 20:38.25 | DeadZergling | be much better if you showed up these platformer wannabes with something truly amazing, like |
| 20:38.31 | DeadZergling | Super Diablo Brothers! |
| 20:39.03 | DeadZergling | was a shooter of sorts as I recall |
| 20:39.12 | A1win | at least now I have an engine that I can customize in any way I want |
| 20:39.14 | Ahli | indeed |
| 20:39.25 | DeadZergling | not that I expect anyone to ever make it |
| 20:39.31 | DeadZergling | but I would totally play Super Diablo Brothers |
| 20:39.43 | Ahli | I'm the wrong person to make fighting games |
| 20:39.51 | DeadZergling | not that kind |
| 20:39.57 | DeadZergling | I mean like jumping on goombas |
| 20:40.19 | Ahli | ah, a platformer... tell that cgsourcex |
| 20:40.20 | DeadZergling | get an apocalypse flower |
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| 20:44.27 | DeadZergling | so are you like washing your hands of diablo, Ahli, or just taking a break? |
| 20:46.57 | DeadZergling | was thinking of just dropping DeathTV soon, but would like to leave it at a point where it doesn't really need anything more |
| 20:50.39 | Ahli | I'm creating something else as usual... I always make breaks from my projects and return after a while |
| 20:51.04 | DeadZergling | how many times have you done this for diablo, for example? lol |
| 20:51.11 | Ahli | but normally I give up on my other maps fairly quickly... especially defense maps because boooorinnnggg |
| 20:51.27 | Ahli | normally I do that every few weeks... |
| 20:53.13 | Ahli | so, that happens maybe 10 times a year? I've no idea :D Other people just abandon their project while I keep returning to it... |
| 20:53.42 | DeadZergling | I do the same thing w/ my RPG |
| 20:53.46 | DeadZergling | I keep coming back to it |
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| 20:54.25 | DeadZergling | 10 times a year though, sheesh, lol |
| 20:54.40 | Ahli | e.g. I've "only" worked for 5 weeks on diablo for the contest |
| 20:55.23 | DeadZergling | don't think I've played yours since it didn't even have caves |
| 20:57.04 | DeadZergling | you've probably added a layer even below hell by now, huh |
| 20:57.12 | Ahli | I've added caves in autumn of 2012 I think... it was during the time of developers visiting us. After that I slowly experimented with skills and added auras into the map. |
| 20:57.14 | Ahli | no |
| 20:58.26 | DeadZergling | ah, well that is just my false optimism right there |
| 20:58.32 | Ahli | I've hell in the game for quite some time now, but a week ago I added models to "complete" it... it looks different than in D1, but maybe the best I could do with sc2 models |
| 20:58.38 | DeadZergling | I tend to assume everyone else is about 10x more productive/useful than I am, lol |
| 20:59.33 | DeadZergling | I see, I figured you were adding something crazy like the cathedral/chest or something |
| 20:59.43 | DeadZergling | (binding isaac if you didn't know the reference, lol) |
| 21:00.12 | Ahli | I've only played a little bit of the beginning of bindinf of isaac I believe |
| 21:00.26 | Ahli | the game where you shoot your own tears and enemies are turds |
| 21:00.28 | Ahli | ? |
| 21:01.24 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 21:01.37 | DeadZergling | i've watched countless playthroughs, I doubt I'll ever get the game |
| 21:01.43 | DeadZergling | but know way too much about it, lol |
| 21:06.39 | JademusSreg | Binding of Isaac is a Mysterious Kebab. Good as it may taste, there's no telling what's in it, whether it's flavor will be savored, remembered fondly, or have you kneeling before porcelain. |
| 21:09.28 | mille25 | this is the first post ive seen of JademusSreg since ages. :D |
| 21:09.36 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:09.41 | JademusSreg | Hi thar mille. =D |
| 21:10.27 | Ahli | so, jade, what did you do? save kittens from trees? |
| 21:12.47 | JademusSreg | Better: I put all the kittens in trees over many generations, and the survivors of each iteration eventually yielded tree-safe kittens. |
| 21:15.54 | pirate | mmmm |
| 21:15.57 | pirate | kebabs |
| 21:16.26 | pirate | this is clearly proof that jade is blizz empoyee and was keeping radio silence during the contest period for posterity |
| 21:16.49 | Ahli | ^ |
| 21:17.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:18.16 | pirate | it would solve a number of X's |
| 21:18.32 | A1win | he actually talked before it ended ;o |
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| 21:18.54 | pirate | yeah but BARELY |
| 21:19.26 | Ahli | he tried to hide it by coming shortly before it ends |
| 21:19.34 | A1win | ;X |
| 21:23.31 | JademusSreg | The Escapist was already a smouldering self-igniting methane-rich compost heap of human waste and advertisements before, but today it managed inexplicably to make it worse. |
| 21:25.33 | JademusSreg | Can't watch ZeroPunctuation since I refuse to enable flash for its splashscreen advert. |
| 21:27.20 | JademusSreg | Hm, perhaps further tinkering will yield. |
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| 21:45.40 | Bounty | Special Forces 5 just got owned |
| 21:45.40 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/12646524693 |
| 21:45.57 | Bounty | That should cheer you up DeadZergling |
| 21:46.47 | Bounty | Although that now has me worried |
| 21:46.59 | Bounty | I hope royalty free music is allowed... |
| 21:47.33 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:48.13 | Bounty | If royalty free music is not allowed then I think 90% of us are DQ'd |
| 21:48.28 | A1win | I only used it in my trailer video |
| 21:48.46 | Bounty | Swear to god if I get DQ'd because of that |
| 21:49.09 | Bounty | I had to use royalty free music for Ling Ling Rocket to satisfy the lawyers before |
| 21:49.13 | Bounty | so I don't see the problem |
| 21:49.38 | Ahli | doesn't royality free mean that you can do whatever you want with it? |
| 21:49.43 | Bounty | yes |
| 21:49.50 | Bounty | but the way they worded it |
| 21:49.50 | A1win | by law |
| 21:49.56 | A1win | not necessarily by contest rules |
| 21:50.05 | Bounty | You hereby warrant and represent that (a) you own all rights to all Entry Materials submitted by you; and (b) all such Entry Materials are original works of authorship on your part and have not been copied, in whole or in part, from any other work and do not violate, misappropriate or infringe any copyright, trademark or other proprietary right of any other person or entity. |
| 21:50.37 | Bounty | the use of the word "and" |
| 21:50.59 | A1win | well it makes sense that you aren't allowed to just copy someone else's map for a contest even if they gave you permission, but dunno how strict they are about it when it comes to stuff like music |
| 21:54.12 | JademusSreg | Fuck yeah. |
| 21:54.20 | Ahli | disqualify all the maps |
| 21:54.27 | Tomura | yup |
| 21:55.36 | Bounty | well atleast I can blame my composer |
| 21:55.46 | Bounty | bc he only did 1 song and not the entire OST like he said he would |
| 21:55.59 | Bounty | because he wanted to do dubstep and I said no |
| 21:56.01 | A1win | totally his fault |
| 21:56.10 | Bounty | totally |
| 21:56.15 | Tomura | yeah you did the right thing to say no to dubstep |
| 21:56.38 | A1win | depends on how good dubstep he'd have made |
| 21:57.01 | A1win | *my opinion depends on |
| 21:57.41 | Bounty | he did the first song that plays when the game starts in the new Tessera video |
| 21:57.52 | Bounty | which I liked but he kept going offbeat and trying to make it like a club |
| 21:57.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:58.05 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3RvooImRE |
| 21:58.12 | Bounty | song that starts when the game does is his |
| 21:58.17 | DeadZergling | are you saying we are all screwed, Bounty ? |
| 21:58.22 | Bounty | I think he did a good job with it, fits nicely |
| 21:58.29 | Bounty | possibly DeadZergling |
| 21:58.30 | Dustin| | yooo |
| 21:59.05 | A1win | I can't think of a single thing that is copied in my map o: |
| 21:59.37 | Bounty | If I get DQ'd I'll be sure to look for something for you A1win |
| 21:59.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:59.45 | JademusSreg | Finally found the video by way of header:meta:content. Would take the time to further tease apart the args defined through the URL, but would rather watch the fruit of my victory. |
| 22:00.22 | A1win | there isn't anythinig ;p |
| 22:00.37 | A1win | all assets are made by me or are standard |
| 22:00.59 | A1win | except loading screen, but that too was made for the contest |
| 22:01.19 | Bounty | you don't have any music? |
| 22:01.23 | A1win | nope |
| 22:01.47 | Bounty | well, you have also been working on it for like 3 years soo... |
| 22:01.51 | Bounty | BOO THIS MAAN! |
| 22:01.52 | A1win | haha |
| 22:01.55 | A1win | not even close |
| 22:02.23 | Bounty | sorry, little over a year |
| 22:02.26 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:02.27 | A1win | I started it a bit over a year ago, and have only actively worked on it maybe 3-4 months |
| 22:02.30 | Bounty | just sayin |
| 22:02.34 | Bounty | fucking DQ everyone |
| 22:02.40 | A1win | that isn't against the rules |
| 22:02.40 | A1win | :x |
| 22:02.45 | Bounty | let Star Battle place 1st 2nd and 3rd |
| 22:03.45 | Bounty | eh I don't think they will DQ people for royalty free music though |
| 22:03.56 | JademusSreg | DQ Blizzard. </mcchris> |
| 22:03.58 | Tomura | probably not |
| 22:04.06 | A1win | mm doubtfully |
| 22:04.27 | DeadZergling | certainly be easier to judge maps |
| 22:04.31 | DeadZergling | if everyone is DQed |
| 22:04.43 | Tomura | btw bounty try to get rid of the white edges on your blood overlay |
| 22:04.54 | A1win | well not DQing people who don't follow the rules would be unfair to those who do :P |
| 22:05.02 | Bounty | white edges? |
| 22:05.47 | Bounty | oh |
| 22:05.50 | Bounty | I see |
| 22:05.51 | Tomura | in the video it looks like the there is some white glow around the blood splatters on the screen |
| 22:06.05 | Bounty | you had my scared for a second, I thought it was a very noticeable thing lol |
| 22:06.34 | Bounty | I'll see what I can do with that |
| 22:06.49 | Tomura | http://www.cgtextures.com/ |
| 22:06.59 | Tomura | there should be a tutorial for that |
| 22:07.14 | Tomura | http://www.cgtextures.com/content.php?action=tutorial&name=alphabg |
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| 22:08.42 | Tomura | but it actually looks pretty fun for a shooter in sc2 |
| 22:08.45 | luciussir | hey |
| 22:08.50 | luciussir | what's a splat ? |
| 22:11.01 | A1win | a terrain decal |
| 22:11.06 | citamsyrahC | it's an actor/model that conforms to the ground, namely images/decals |
| 22:12.03 | luciussir | so... how do i use them and control their placement and removal ? |
| 22:12.48 | A1win | I'd start by looking at how standard structures do it |
| 22:12.54 | citamsyrahC | do you plan on using them dynamically, or as doodads? |
| 22:13.41 | luciussir | I want them to be present to color the ground and minimap when a unit exists, and then remove them when that unit is destroyed |
| 22:13.58 | luciussir | so dynamically |
| 22:14.12 | A1win | for minimap, you need to use a minimap icon in the unit's actor |
| 22:15.23 | luciussir | ok.. so what is a splat then ? a corpse actor ? |
| 22:15.43 | luciussir | and i'd use a loop with create unit and some trig to fill a radius area ? |
| 22:15.48 | luciussir | and it would be zerg i take it ? |
| 22:16.11 | A1win | ...no, to all three |
| 22:16.45 | A1win | I don't know the details, but it's an actor that spawns a decal texture on the ground |
| 22:17.04 | luciussir | ..... |
| 22:17.07 | A1win | you just use a circular texture and change its scale |
| 22:17.26 | luciussir | i can apply textures to the ground ? |
| 22:17.28 | A1win | just look at how terran structures do it |
| 22:17.31 | luciussir | i can apply textures ? |
| 22:17.32 | luciussir | lol |
| 22:17.54 | A1win | not "apply", just place on the ground as a decal |
| 22:18.20 | A1win | it doesn't actually change the terrain texture, just places a new one on it |
| 22:18.24 | A1win | (and hides what's below) |
| 22:18.55 | luciussir | whats the editor name for a decal ? |
| 22:19.02 | A1win | <.< |
| 22:19.06 | A1win | you're running in circles |
| 22:19.10 | A1win | they are called splats :P |
| 22:19.17 | luciussir | i'm searching for actions that do what you're talking about |
| 22:19.21 | Tomura | not exactly but close enought. Decals are pretty expensive though, since they actually create a model for that area, that is exactly shaped like the surface |
| 22:19.31 | A1win | it's not an action, it's an actor |
| 22:19.33 | Tomura | so don't over do it |
| 22:19.34 | A1win | you create the actor |
| 22:19.54 | luciussir | tutorial ! lol |
| 22:20.04 | A1win | just look at how Terran structures do it |
| 22:20.12 | luciussir | see you guys just sort of contraduicted each other lol |
| 22:20.32 | A1win | nope |
| 22:20.55 | luciussir | so its not a trigger action, its part of the unit itself that i'm creating ? |
| 22:21.03 | A1win | no, it's an actor |
| 22:21.05 | A1win | :P |
| 22:21.18 | A1win | actors are completely separate from everything |
| 22:21.23 | luciussir | jesus motherfucking doggystyle mary and castrate joseph ! |
| 22:21.24 | luciussir | lol |
| 22:22.19 | luciussir | wow.. i just combined the oedipus complex humor with 2 of the three holy trinity and its father |
| 22:22.19 | A1win | like take Command Center for example (pretty sure it has a splat), and open its unit actor: in its events, somewhere in there, is an actor event that creates a new splat actor |
| 22:22.20 | luciussir | lmaoi |
| 22:22.51 | A1win | or maybe some simpler building |
| 22:22.51 | luciussir | buildings have events ? |
| 22:22.59 | A1win | all actors have actor events |
| 22:23.15 | A1win | haha, you should really just start by reading what actors are... somewhere |
| 22:23.28 | luciussir | i thought actors were just models |
| 22:23.38 | unclesatan | NO |
| 22:23.39 | luciussir | that visually represented the unit at various points |
| 22:23.41 | unclesatan | sorry caps |
| 22:23.48 | luciussir | jumps |
| 22:23.52 | luciussir | cries |
| 22:23.55 | unclesatan | models are models |
| 22:23.57 | luciussir | unclesatan yelled atme |
| 22:23.57 | Tomura | no models are part of actors |
| 22:24.03 | Tomura | or rather can be |
| 22:24.07 | luciussir | :( what oh satan have i done to displease you |
| 22:24.09 | luciussir | lol |
| 22:24.10 | A1win | all models require an actor to be displayed in the g ame |
| 22:24.12 | A1win | *game |
| 22:24.26 | luciussir | btw i love your name, thats fucked up lol |
| 22:24.33 | unclesatan | actors contain models and/or many other things |
| 22:24.44 | unclesatan | basically everything the game does is based off of actors |
| 22:24.47 | unclesatan | and thanks lol. |
| 22:24.48 | luciussir | so an actor then relates to a state of the unit ? |
| 22:25.01 | A1win | actor messages control what the actor does |
| 22:25.11 | A1win | unit starts moving -> actor message changes animation to walk |
| 22:25.17 | A1win | etc. |
| 22:25.31 | A1win | unit dies -> actor message destroys the actor itself |
| 22:25.45 | A1win | ...after playing death animation or whatever |
| 22:26.15 | A1win | actors are really counter-intuitive so not easy to learn just by guessing |
| 22:26.23 | A1win | better to look at examples and stuff |
| 22:26.43 | luciussir | yeah erm have you looked at the details view of an actor... not much to it |
| 22:27.01 | unclesatan | it also matters what is connected to it |
| 22:27.19 | unclesatan | on the bottom left |
| 22:27.36 | A1win | nah that's just a generated list |
| 22:27.47 | unclesatan | of all the things connected to the actor |
| 22:27.54 | unclesatan | lol |
| 22:27.56 | A1win | not all :P |
| 22:28.08 | A1win | like a spalt actor wouldn't show up in there if it's created in the actor events |
| 22:28.20 | luciussir | hey i have an idea ! |
| 22:28.28 | luciussir | why don't one of you work on this with me lo |
| 22:28.29 | luciussir | l |
| 22:28.40 | luciussir | and i'll name you in the credits |
| 22:28.42 | unclesatan | all of the other "types" of things like effects and models and etc. |
| 22:28.51 | unclesatan | if it's an actor it won't show up there yea |
| 22:29.20 | unclesatan | i'm just here in passing tryin to help explain a lil, alwin can do it better tho |
| 22:29.37 | unclesatan | i gotta get going, getting pizza then going to salsa class >:o |
| 22:29.44 | luciussir | hahaha |
| 22:29.54 | luciussir | satan dances :P |
| 22:29.56 | luciussir | go figure |
| 22:30.10 | luciussir | i remember you from somewhere unclesatan btw |
| 22:30.36 | unclesatan | i've ben around the internet for years |
| 22:30.41 | unclesatan | maybe swbf2 |
| 22:30.46 | unclesatan | maybe tf2, maybe deviantart |
| 22:30.50 | luciussir | dunno |
| 22:30.51 | unclesatan | or here even |
| 22:30.55 | luciussir | prolly here |
| 22:30.57 | unclesatan | wc3 |
| 22:31.01 | luciussir | i use freenode alot |
| 22:31.08 | unclesatan | ah yes |
| 22:41.37 | DeadZergling | heh, for awhile I thought satan was talking to himself |
| 22:41.43 | DeadZergling | then realized lucius != lucifer |
| 22:44.36 | unclesatan | lol |
| 22:48.47 | DeadZergling | is there any post on there asking Blizzard to clarify about this, seems like there should be |
| 22:49.04 | DeadZergling | if it effects like every entry almost, besides A1win's 'special' entry |
| 22:49.48 | A1win | tough luck *collects all the prices* |
| 22:50.15 | DeadZergling | fuck, if all I had to do to win was draw a shitty circle and call it a ship |
| 22:50.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:50.32 | Bounty | Pogs in space |
| 22:50.45 | A1win | it doesn't even have a texture, just a solid color material |
| 22:51.51 | DeadZergling | is that why they only played games for like 5-10 mins each? |
| 22:52.03 | DeadZergling | to confirm they could be disqualified? |
| 22:52.11 | A1win | obviously |
| 22:52.49 | DeadZergling | pity about your loading screen not being yours |
| 22:52.55 | DeadZergling | guess you DQed too |
| 22:53.33 | A1win | naww it was made by the Mad Space Team |
| 22:54.13 | DeadZergling | sure, just like all the stuff I used was made by the Random Websites DZ visited team |
| 22:54.43 | Bounty | that might actually DQ you DeadZergling.... |
| 22:54.51 | Bounty | hope it was royalty free |
| 22:54.57 | DeadZergling | all was |
| 22:55.10 | DeadZergling | any that demanded mention, were mentioned |
| 22:55.35 | A1win | that's just for the law ;x |
| 22:55.41 | A1win | contest rules != law |
| 22:56.06 | DeadZergling | about the same, can be bent to serve Blizzard however they like |
| 22:56.12 | DeadZergling | so they a lot like the law |
| 22:56.47 | A1win | well blizzard has the right to change the rules at any time |
| 22:57.41 | DeadZergling | Mad space team, you just made that up in the last few hours :P |
| 22:58.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:58.46 | A1win | it's not like it's a requirement to have a team name |
| 22:59.10 | A1win | it doesn't say in the rules that you are not allowed to use content created by other people |
| 22:59.20 | DeadZergling | Effective 5 days ago |
| 22:59.22 | A1win | just that you aren't allowed to copy it from other works |
| 22:59.38 | DeadZergling | Merc, Zolden, duckies, you are all part of the DTT |
| 22:59.41 | A1win | (and you must have rights to it) |
| 22:59.53 | DeadZergling | and whoever else I decide to add at any other time |
| 23:00.03 | A1win | DTT? |
| 23:00.09 | DeadZergling | DeathTV Team |
| 23:00.16 | A1win | ;x |
| 23:01.42 | DeadZergling | Kevin MacLeod is now part of the DTT as well |
| 23:01.49 | DeadZergling | as I deem it beneficial to me! |
| 23:02.35 | DeadZergling | Have I went sufficiently over the top to show you how silly MST sounds to me, A1win ? :) |
| 23:02.57 | A1win | I just made that up on the spot <.< |
| 23:03.34 | Bounty | What is the difference in time between EST and MST? |
| 23:04.07 | DeadZergling | depends if there is a c in there I suppose |
| 23:04.21 | DeadZergling | is the same if there is a c in there twice |
| 23:05.34 | DeadZergling | but besides all that nonsense, it depends what state |
| 23:06.00 | DeadZergling | is 4pm right now in Arizona, but some other MST states are currently MDT |
| 23:17.50 | Zandose | 's nap time is over. |
| 23:31.43 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/mbFtn.jpg how could I visualize wounded players lying on the ground? |
| 23:37.18 | DeadZergling | what is stopping you from using the corpse model? |
| 23:38.59 | DeadZergling | as i recall, some variations of that would work pretty well |
| 23:39.13 | DeadZergling | is some doodad marine death models too |
| 23:39.58 | Ahli | hmm correct |
| 23:47.09 | DeadZergling | poor Bato, made the mistake of saying anything to the SFE5 people |
| 23:49.57 | PhallicQ | Ahli |
| 23:49.58 | PhallicQ | I must say |
| 23:49.58 | PhallicQ | I'm a bit interested in this whole book though |
| 23:50.44 | PhallicQ | I had always understood that to Germans saying 'Das MÄdchen und ihr Buch" would sound wrong |
| 23:50.45 | PhallicQ | We were explained this in German class |
| 23:50.45 | PhallicQ | How in German, the grammatical gender of the noun always supersedes the natural gender of the referent. |
| 23:54.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster citamyrach (32875ad0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.135.90.208) |
| 23:56.56 | Ahli | I don't care |
