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| 00:14.24 | pirate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyvjzX_9uE |
| 00:16.29 | DeadZergling | is interesting and all, but I must admit preference to star creatures battle screen... |
| 00:20.28 | pirate | from what I saw of it seemed so... clunky |
| 00:28.56 | DeadZergling | is part of its charm |
| 00:29.04 | DeadZergling | it also gets stuck on trees/cliffs, lol |
| 00:29.22 | pirate | also- thanks ahli for dependency tips-- that solved it |
| 00:29.29 | DeadZergling | I enjoy it as it is truer to FF/Dragon Warrior fight screens |
| 00:29.39 | DeadZergling | what happened with your deps? |
| 00:30.12 | pirate | it wasn't loading my uploaded dependencies whenever I reopened map |
| 00:30.41 | DeadZergling | clearing out programdata fixed it? |
| 00:31.00 | Dustin| | God damnit pirate |
| 00:31.01 | pirate | I made em local |
| 00:31.02 | Dustin| | that looks so good |
| 00:31.15 | pirate | aw, someone appreciates me |
| 00:31.30 | DeadZergling | it is protoss stuff, so I must hate it by default |
| 00:31.40 | DeadZergling | it can get boned by kerrigans sunkens |
| 00:32.14 | DeadZergling | protoss exist for the sole purpose of zerg and terran killing them |
| 00:32.45 | DeadZergling | (it does look nice in any case pirate , just not my kind of game, and I hate protoss, lol) |
| 00:34.22 | pirate | odd |
| 00:34.30 | pirate | bur fair, I suppose |
| 00:35.14 | DeadZergling | just saying, I will be biased against that game purely because I don't like its type, is nothing personal at all :) |
| 00:40.21 | DeadZergling | anyways, are you done with your ruby thing, Dustin| ? |
| 00:40.58 | Dustin| | eh, its still got stuff i want to do, but its good for now |
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| 00:41.17 | DeadZergling | just focused on throwing a project into the contest for now eh? lol |
| 00:41.49 | Dustin| | Eh, I dont even think I will enter anything |
| 00:42.15 | DeadZergling | thought you were gonna pull a late nighter on one of your old projects |
| 00:42.38 | pirate | yeah-- stay up all night and keep me company |
| 00:43.30 | Dustin| | yeah but I dont think people will like it, cause ya gotta use teamwork |
| 00:43.40 | Dustin| | So no votes :( |
| 00:43.50 | Dustin| | I might though still |
| 00:43.54 | Dustin| | Im very indecisive |
| 00:44.28 | A1win | meh, Traysent gave me no reply at all when I asked if he had any thoughts of what I could do about my crash issue |
| 00:44.45 | DeadZergling | at this point, I'm just sort of fuck em if they can't see what a great map I have |
| 00:44.52 | DeadZergling | I'm gonna put together something awesome anyways |
| 00:52.30 | incestfuljuan | my next project is Cyber Sex Hotel |
| 00:52.33 | incestfuljuan | thoughts? |
| 00:53.51 | DeadZergling | i'd say hi Charysmatic, but seems Charys is here |
| 00:56.14 | incestfuljuan | nope, that's me too |
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| 01:04.45 | pirate | now to make the last 4 enemy types and last 6 abilities |
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| 01:08.14 | A1win | anyone up for a test? |
| 01:08.34 | A1win | checking if my semi-random code changes fix my crash issue |
| 01:09.21 | ArcanePariah | Small random question, some units do not react to be attacked, and I'm assuming that's because they can't see their attacker. The units are set to acquire for their response. |
| 01:10.00 | ArcanePariah | Is there any way to address this without revealing the attacker? |
| 01:11.02 | A1win | you want the unit to attack the attacker? |
| 01:11.07 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 01:11.07 | A1win | or just a-move to where the attacker is? |
| 01:11.14 | ArcanePariah | Either is acceptable |
| 01:11.39 | A1win | well I can't really think of anything else byt issuing it an order from damage response |
| 01:11.54 | A1win | but dunno if that's acceptable |
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| 01:42.15 | Caz | IIIiiii Liiiivvee |
| 01:42.31 | Caz | Mh.. the font style used in the chat |
| 01:42.42 | Caz | is different than the text box for typing |
| 01:42.48 | DeadZergling | of course you do, soe's creativeness has died |
| 01:43.07 | pirate | coffee time letsgo |
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| 01:52.54 | Dustin| | Pirate |
| 01:54.32 | pirate | ahoy |
| 01:58.06 | pirate | ? |
| 01:58.42 | DeadZergling | perhaps he just won a duel in the blacksmith shop with young will tucker |
| 01:58.48 | DeadZergling | and announced Pirate |
| 01:59.13 | pirate | you tell young will tucker that he's a busta |
| 02:02.10 | Dustin| | This is fucking awesome |
| 02:02.16 | Dustin| | I love your god damn map |
| 02:02.43 | pirate | :D |
| 02:04.26 | DeadZergling | he probably didn't die on the first boss like mine is why |
| 02:04.27 | pirate | let's hope blizzard feels the same way |
| 02:04.57 | pirate | cause I should just be able to finish a buggy 1hr demo for the contest |
| 02:05.09 | DeadZergling | someone needs to remind me that my deadline is may 31st, just thought of a miniboss I want to put in out of nowhere |
| 02:05.55 | pirate | DZ, my shits currently not so well balanced-- fights can be really variable based on enemy AI (attacking vs. moving) |
| 02:06.15 | DeadZergling | but damn it, I'm doing it |
| 02:06.28 | DeadZergling | My game needs, Kerrigan, MLP Queen of Spider Mines in it |
| 02:07.32 | DeadZergling | MLP might be too obscure of reference though |
| 02:07.45 | DeadZergling | perhaps, Kerrigan Rainbow Queen of Spider Mines would be easier to understand |
| 02:12.55 | Caz | pir, do you think i could 1. Get the model used for a unit matching the criteria in a search effect. + 2. Use that model in the as one of the visuals for the effect ? |
| 02:14.47 | Caz | -- use that model as one of the visuals -- |
| 02:15.06 | ArcanePariah | Caz, yes, it would involve some actor stuff. |
| 02:15.40 | Caz | ArcanePariah - you remember the resurrect we talked about? Where i cast on a generic corpse that rezes the unit via triggers? |
| 02:15.54 | ArcanePariah | Yes? |
| 02:16.22 | Caz | My goal is to have the model for the dead unit fade into existance as the spell completes. Then destroy the actor after the real unit takes its place. |
| 02:16.32 | Caz | to give the illusion that the dead unit returned to this world |
| 02:16.35 | Caz | slowly |
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| 03:13.42 | turtles1 | heyo |
| 03:15.24 | pirate | ahoy |
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| 04:14.43 | Bounty | Anyone want to help test CTF in Tessera? |
| 04:15.51 | turtles1 | CTF? |
| 04:16.23 | Bounty | yea |
| 04:16.29 | Bounty | Capture the Flag |
| 04:17.11 | turtles1 | oh. yeah ok. I have 15 minutes. Then I should get back to my own work |
| 04:17.21 | turtles1 | meet you online |
| 04:17.23 | Bounty | kk |
| 04:17.27 | Bounty | send me a PM |
| 04:19.52 | Bounty | send me a PM turtles1 |
| 04:19.53 | Bounty | when you get on |
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| 05:57.35 | Repo | New announcement: Natural Selection Open PRG - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/natural-selection-open-prg/ |
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| 06:51.42 | Merc | seems your video got popular Bounty :p |
| 06:51.53 | Bounty | just a tad |
| 06:53.43 | Merc | next step: Go on reddit, make a self post saying "Hi, I am Bounty, my new first person shooter map was on the front page yesterday. I have been making sc2 maps for X years. Here are some examples. AMA about mapping and stuff" |
| 06:54.00 | Bounty | no thanks |
| 06:54.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:54.05 | Merc | wimp |
| 06:54.20 | Merc | gotta take advantage man |
| 06:54.22 | Merc | ride the wave |
| 06:58.03 | Bounty | I am, thats why I'm trying to work as much as I can on the game |
| 06:58.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:58.10 | Bounty | and get it public tomorrow |
| 06:59.32 | DeadZergling | making a trailer is a real pita |
| 07:04.39 | Caz | DeadZergling - When doing a search area effect in data, can i get at the actor/model for the unit it finds to cause an actor/model of the same type to be created? |
| 07:05.02 | DeadZergling | well, it can tell what unit it hits |
| 07:05.09 | DeadZergling | it doesn't really give a rat's ass what the model is |
| 07:05.53 | Caz | ehh .. i might have to do this part in triggers too then |
| 07:06.41 | Caz | if unit = unit1, create actor1 .........if unit = unit2, create actor 2 |
| 07:06.43 | Caz | blah blah |
| 07:06.48 | Caz | for each hero in game |
| 07:07.02 | Caz | unittype rather |
| 07:07.37 | Caz | night all. |
| 07:39.44 | DeadZergling | oh you son of a bitch windows movie maker, don't you dare fucking crash |
| 07:41.22 | turtles1 | lol. I hate windows movie maker more than words can describe |
| 07:41.36 | turtles1 | Still use it though |
| 07:42.20 | turtles1 | for lack of free alternatives for windows |
| 07:47.44 | DeadZergling | well fuck it, that is good enough |
| 07:48.21 | DeadZergling | have wasted far too much time on a trailer only 5 people are gonna watch |
| 07:49.55 | DeadZergling | could adding titles to the movie be any more painful |
| 07:49.58 | turtles1 | Reddit is fertile ground for UMS maps right now. Make a thread titled "Hey, look! I created a map too!" and you will get views |
| 07:50.50 | turtles1 | or, at least more than 5 views |
| 07:50.59 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm |
| 07:51.17 | DeadZergling | video is considerably shorter than my demo |
| 07:51.29 | DeadZergling | is about 2 mins, + another minute or two to let the awesome music finish |
| 07:52.54 | DeadZergling | i'll probably post on reddit, aye |
| 07:53.21 | DeadZergling | thx for the tip |
| 07:54.21 | DeadZergling | you know what section in particular to post to? |
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| 07:54.37 | turtles1 | just /r/starcraft |
| 07:55.31 | turtles1 | and /r/SCArcade/ |
| 07:55.43 | turtles1 | but /r/SCArcade/ doesn't get much traffic |
| 08:00.37 | DeadZergling | well here it is, my first ever edited video, lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxHXaUvDJY&feature=youtu.be |
| 08:02.37 | Bounty | I feel like this moment in my life is a good time to start doing cocaine |
| 08:04.15 | Zolden | DeadZergling meteros still not parallel ;/ |
| 08:04.48 | DeadZergling | what does that even mean Zolden , it is a giant rock coming out of the sky |
| 08:04.58 | DeadZergling | why would it need to be parallel? |
| 08:05.14 | Zolden | they are chaoticalli oriented, could be parallel |
| 08:05.19 | Bounty | why did you dedicate the last 2 minutes to just a picture DeadZergling |
| 08:05.36 | Zolden | chaos suck |
| 08:05.38 | DeadZergling | finish the song out, I hate when people have a song they just clip whenever |
| 08:05.46 | DeadZergling | is horse shit |
| 08:06.37 | DeadZergling | 5k views is cocaine worthy? |
| 08:09.40 | Bounty | not that, I just don't want to go to bed |
| 08:09.46 | Bounty | until Saturday night |
| 08:09.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:10.25 | Merc | I see you made my picture smaller with a brown fuzzy border underneath it and black bars on the side |
| 08:10.32 | turtles1 | DeadZergling the first minute of the song could be cut out and fade in at that point |
| 08:10.38 | turtles1 | would be just the same |
| 08:10.57 | DeadZergling | it could, but I think anyone can figure out the video is over when I say thanks for watching |
| 08:11.08 | DeadZergling | if you gonna use a damn song, use the whole thing |
| 08:11.30 | DeadZergling | that is just a major pet peeve of mine |
| 08:11.31 | Bounty | That is probably the worst mentality i've ever heard when it comes to making a trailer |
| 08:11.39 | Bounty | if I had used the whole song used in my video it would be 8 minutes long |
| 08:11.44 | Bounty | lol |
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| 08:12.54 | DeadZergling | aye merc, was so it'd fit in a section properly |
| 08:12.59 | DeadZergling | so I put it on a tv stand, lol |
| 08:13.36 | Merc | oh that's that that is |
| 08:13.50 | Merc | looked kinda like a glitch :p |
| 08:13.50 | DeadZergling | blame gimp, that is their idea of a wood texture, lol |
| 08:14.15 | DeadZergling | speaking of glitch |
| 08:14.19 | Merc | well if you want it inside an old TV I can fix that |
| 08:14.20 | DeadZergling | any luck on the raven, lol |
| 08:14.23 | Merc | oh right the raven |
| 08:14.27 | Merc | kinda busy atm |
| 08:14.36 | Merc | but I'll get on it later |
| 08:14.49 | DeadZergling | aye np, figured you were at work |
| 08:14.56 | Merc | holiday actually |
| 08:15.05 | Merc | cleaning a bit |
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| 08:21.18 | sonicnite | haunted forest is cool |
| 08:23.07 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:32.33 | DeadZergling | posted on reddit anyways, maybe I'll get 10 views this way, lol |
| 08:39.21 | Merc | there's a secret trick to posting on reddit |
| 08:39.31 | Merc | you gotta appeal to the smartasses who want to show off they know shit |
| 08:39.45 | Merc | and appeal to the circlejerk, somewhat |
| 08:40.39 | Merc | and ofc, even though OC is supposed to be the best thing ever, if you post your own OC then you're whoring out for attention |
| 08:41.32 | turtles1 | "We all know Blizz doesn't care. But how many of you know of this great map on the arcade?" |
| 08:41.39 | Merc | genius |
| 08:42.09 | DeadZergling | such devious people on here, lol |
| 08:42.38 | turtles1 | hahaha, I'm not that cynical yet. obviously I haven't been trying long enough. |
| 08:42.39 | Merc | it's marketing, you have to dispose of your soul |
| 08:43.00 | DeadZergling | I just swear at the editor until it does what I want |
| 08:43.06 | DeadZergling | I don't get into all that bs, lol |
| 08:43.15 | Merc | you must be much better at swearing than me |
| 08:43.24 | Merc | I do that all the time and it doesn't do much |
| 08:43.46 | DeadZergling | referring to animals, and what a sad life they've lead |
| 08:43.50 | DeadZergling | *led |
| 08:43.54 | DeadZergling | tends to help in swearing |
| 08:43.58 | turtles1 | Oh, I know how important marketing is though. how much attention a map gathers would probably be 70% dependent on the map and 30% marketing BS |
| 08:43.59 | Merc | animals eh |
| 08:44.20 | Merc | hell, I'd say 50/50 |
| 08:44.22 | turtles1 | So I guess if you're not spending 30% of time on marketing BS then you are not doing all you could |
| 08:44.28 | Merc | depends on the map ofc, if it has some mass appeal |
| 08:44.31 | DeadZergling | yes, now you could just call something a fucker |
| 08:44.42 | DeadZergling | is rude enough, but not very effective |
| 08:44.50 | DeadZergling | however, call someone a poor homeless goat fucker |
| 08:44.53 | DeadZergling | now we getting places |
| 08:45.02 | Merc | knew I should have been born up north |
| 08:45.13 | Merc | northern norwegians have turned cursing into some sort of art form |
| 08:45.30 | Merc | good story from a few years back |
| 08:45.52 | Merc | this dude from Tromsø (bigger town up north) got stopped by a policeman for speeding or whatever |
| 08:46.04 | Merc | gave him a giant serenade |
| 08:46.10 | Merc | with all kinds of flowery language |
| 08:46.19 | Merc | since he obviously did not appreciate being pulled over |
| 08:47.02 | Merc | policeman didnt appreciate being called all those things, so he got him on that as well, some sort of "verbal assault of a police officer" or whatever |
| 08:47.15 | Merc | dude took it to court |
| 08:47.20 | Merc | got free |
| 08:47.44 | Merc | convinced the jury that "horsecock" is a perfectly normally occuring word in their vocabulary up there |
| 08:47.45 | Zolden | were they all on drugs? |
| 08:47.57 | Merc | served with some of those guys in the army |
| 08:48.04 | Merc | it was fucking beautiful |
| 08:48.26 | Merc | cursing is like a second language to them |
| 08:49.05 | Zolden | ok, menu implemented, my gamer starting to look like a game |
| 08:49.11 | Merc | but yeah anyway |
| 08:49.27 | Merc | this title wasn't something I chose randomly: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/26ohhq/so_apparently_this_was_made_in_the_sc2_editor/ |
| 08:49.35 | Zolden | Merc you just need more vikings everywhere like in good old times |
| 08:49.47 | Merc | yep |
| 08:50.27 | Merc | title says "Oh I am just some random guy who found this video and I am so impressed and stuff, arent you guys impressed, yeah you should be" |
| 08:50.36 | Merc | attracts redditors like flies to shit |
| 08:51.02 | Zolden | Bounty so, made another game that will be ruined by bnet latency? |
| 08:51.02 | Merc | some nice comments about Bounty's mapping skills in there, bet he'll appreciate it |
| 08:53.00 | sonicnite | haunted forest its like the game slenderman |
| 08:53.24 | Bounty | If you want to believe that Zolden, go ahead |
| 08:53.38 | sonicnite | it got me |
| 08:53.46 | sonicnite | the game is legit |
| 08:58.47 | DeadZergling | you make it sound as if Zolden had a problem believing whatever he was going to, lol |
| 08:59.05 | DeadZergling | there is no re'Putin Zolden, he is gonna believe what he is gonna believe |
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| 09:01.00 | Zolden | gravity doesn't care if ppl believe in it |
| 09:01.23 | Zolden | there's objective reality around |
| 09:02.21 | Zolden | kicks one of those pink bunnies that sing soungs, smiling and jumping around |
| 09:02.29 | Merc | gravity is just a theory |
| 09:04.18 | DeadZergling | by the way, we can redo the trailer later if you want Merc to have a better picture |
| 09:04.32 | DeadZergling | just not until after 05/31, that is all the effort I'm willing to put into it for now |
| 09:05.23 | Zolden | u all will need some putin soon to cheat votes and win that thing |
| 09:06.09 | Bounty | hopefully that popularity my game got on reddit will help |
| 09:06.34 | DeadZergling | hopefully no one played any real fps in the last 10 years who is visiting it |
| 09:06.40 | DeadZergling | will help your odds |
| 09:08.25 | Zolden | Bounty 5k views isn't much actualy, even 10-15k don't give much bnet popularity |
| 09:17.53 | DeadZergling | oh setting up points for a new area, how I haven't missed you |
| 09:23.21 | turtles1 | Merc, you are diabolical |
| 09:23.50 | turtles1 | If I become an evil dictator, you will be my PR man |
| 09:24.01 | Merc | unless there's some sort of popularity/vote portion in the contest, I doubt video hits will have much to say |
| 09:24.11 | Merc | maybe it will make people remember the game and go "oh yea" |
| 09:24.14 | DeadZergling | lol, what'd he do? |
| 09:24.15 | Merc | but thats it |
| 09:24.39 | Merc | turtles1: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/yfAeMtcURg0/hqdefault.jpg |
| 09:24.44 | turtles1 | "this title wasn't something I chose randomly: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/26ohhq/so_apparently_this_was_made_in_the_sc2_editor/" |
| 10:50.17 | DeadZergling | well that blows, my reddit post got flagged as fluff |
| 10:50.58 | Merc | so in order to make a building create a new unit, I would have to make a new ability containing a bunch of buttons..? |
| 10:51.06 | Merc | I never even saw your reddit post |
| 10:51.45 | DeadZergling | got pushed to page 2 from the start |
| 10:52.52 | Merc | cant even see it when i sort for new |
| 10:56.04 | DeadZergling | well that's just my luck really, I have none |
| 10:58.52 | Zolden | fluff flag doesn't matter much, it can still be popular if it links something fun |
| 11:01.04 | Merc | give me a direct link to the post |
| 11:01.05 | DeadZergling | that may be, but is hard to be popular if it doesn't even show up as new when it was posted just a couple hours ago |
| 11:01.24 | Merc | if it was sufficiently shitty maybe the mods just went "fuck this" and removed it from public |
| 11:01.48 | DeadZergling | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/26rs3v/trailer_for_my_death_tv_project_for_starcraft_2/ |
| 11:02.16 | Merc | yeah seems to have been shadowbanned |
| 11:02.28 | Merc | doesnt show up in new at all |
| 11:03.54 | Merc | could have been just a misclick, happens all the time |
| 11:05.05 | DeadZergling | doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence to bother trying if that is what happens |
| 11:05.11 | petal | dunno, it shows as #8 if I categorize it by new |
| 11:06.54 | Merc | I cant see it at all |
| 11:06.55 | Merc | weird |
| 11:07.41 | DeadZergling | anyways, not gonna dwell on this any more |
| 11:07.51 | DeadZergling | gonna just edit, is what I do best |
| 11:07.53 | DeadZergling | fuck this marketing shit |
| 11:08.05 | Merc | :p |
| 11:08.27 | Merc | I actually seem to have figured out how to have units be trained from buildings all on my own |
| 11:08.31 | Merc | major flexing going on |
| 11:08.33 | DeadZergling | maybe if I just do that, someone will magically spread the hell out of my stuff like Bounty had happen, lol |
| 11:09.19 | Zolden | Merc if you need any functionality, find that functionality made in standard sc2 units and check how it's done |
| 11:09.31 | petal | though tbh the style of posting is pretty much a "throwaway". Could have gone with "Been wanting to remake smash TV in sc2, here's what I've got so far". that would instantyl grab attention of ppl who know smash tv, and ppl who are generally interested in arcade/development/cool stuff. As it is right now it comes off very arrogant and souless. "DeathTV project for sc2" could be anything really. if anything I'd probably associate it |
| 11:09.34 | Zolden | usually it's abils, commands and effects that matter |
| 11:09.54 | petal | ...some weak attempt at some "deathTV" melee tournament promotion ... sorry dz |
| 11:10.14 | Merc | that's how I did it now Zolden |
| 11:10.17 | Zolden | good |
| 11:10.19 | Merc | I guess it wasnt that super complicated |
| 11:10.29 | Merc | gonna be trickier once I want to make spells that dont really exist in the game |
| 11:10.45 | Zolden | there's nothing compicated in sc2 editor, maybe only some actors, like colossus beams |
| 11:10.58 | Merc | "there's nothing complicated in the sc2 editor" |
| 11:11.04 | DeadZergling | which is why I'm not gonna even bother with it any more |
| 11:11.06 | Merc | shut the fuck up you crazy Russian |
| 11:11.17 | DeadZergling | just posting what it is, and what you do in it |
| 11:11.25 | DeadZergling | is apparently being arrogant and soulless, so I have to give up |
| 11:11.53 | petal | you're just throwin away the link without any sort of description of what it is |
| 11:12.01 | Merc | nothing to do with arrogance DeadZergling |
| 11:12.05 | Zolden | just create some simple abils, then u'll understand how the whole editor thing works, it's like a threshold: you don't understand almost anything until you reach it, then you understand everything |
| 11:12.26 | Merc | I just posted that link on reddit to prove Bounty wrong, since he said he had posted it on all the forums that mattered :p |
| 11:13.06 | Merc | Zolden: yep, kinda like with learning the art tools, steep learning curve but then suddenly it clicks |
| 11:13.20 | Zolden | DeadZergling maybe "trailer" sounds too official, personal stuff would sound more like "dudes, look what i've done", and possibly attract more attention |
| 11:13.21 | Merc | or well, I havent really learned the art tools, but I can do models and shit now at least |
| 11:14.01 | Merc | yes, presentation is very important |
| 11:14.07 | DeadZergling | dunno if that'll work, apparently I need to make a fake account and announce wow, look at this crazy video I found |
| 11:14.14 | DeadZergling | but I don't like being dishonest like that |
| 11:14.18 | Merc | and you gotta be able to catch people's interest within the first few seconds |
| 11:14.37 | Merc | thats not necessary at all :P |
| 11:15.48 | Merc | but yeah, it could work |
| 11:16.27 | Merc | dear r/gaming: "friend of mine did a remake of Smash TV in the Starcraft Arcade. He sucks at making videos, but the game looks pretty fun!" |
| 11:16.32 | Merc | or whatever |
| 11:18.03 | petal | when you just type "death tv, enjoy" you imply that it's in sufficent quality to be enjoyed. and when you don't add any description to post it ends up in "here is a product a video of which you must watch". everyone hates personeless marketing, you know it. Just a chatty description of what it is in OP would have made it warmer to get in to |
| 11:18.17 | Zolden | http://kotaku.com/japanese-celebritys-english-fail-is-truly-most-unfortun-1583122336 |
| 11:19.00 | petal | and little subtle things that establish dialouge make all the difference |
| 11:20.55 | Merc | yeah, something that makes a statement you cant really disagree with, but invites to making a statement of your own |
| 11:21.43 | Merc | It's all sunny outside, I'm actually gonna go read a goddamn book. |
| 11:23.06 | Zolden | it's all rainy outside, i'm actually gonna go implement upgrade ship dialog |
| 11:23.30 | DeadZergling | isn't the weather always shit in russia? |
| 11:23.55 | Zolden | 80% of year it is |
| 11:24.09 | Zolden | but last 2 weeks were candies |
| 11:24.54 | Zolden | was even to hot to code alot, I had to take cold shower every 2 hours to keep the head operational |
| 11:25.00 | DeadZergling | being chatty, well now I know I'm screwed, lol |
| 11:25.54 | Zolden | waht you need is pm "come try my map" across bnet chats |
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| 11:36.21 | Ice_Bane | Heya! |
| 11:37.54 | espers | hey guys, could anyone tell me a simple way to create a target morph spell? I'm trying to make a nexus spell that targets only pylons and morphs them into a different structure I've made |
| 11:38.10 | espers | ive done everything else, just not sure on this ^_^ |
| 11:40.37 | Ice_Bane | Use the original "Upgrade /Morph" spell for the pylon and have the nexus use a "Issue order to cast ability" spell |
| 11:40.56 | Ice_Bane | that should work fine |
| 11:41.03 | Ahli_ | give pylon a morph ability allowing it to morph to the other units. The other ability is a target effect ability, its effect is an issue order effect for the target unit to use the morph. then make a validator for the unit type of the target unit to be a pylon and add it to the effect |
| 11:41.17 | Ahli_ | so, what ice_bane said |
| 11:41.34 | Ice_Bane | oh yeah, great minds think alike! |
| 11:41.36 | Ice_Bane | ^^ |
| 11:42.16 | Ice_Bane | Hey Ahli, I know you've been around for a while. Do you know how to use custom Icons in the Help Tab? (F12) |
| 11:42.17 | espers | ah gotcha, thanks : D |
| 11:42.57 | Ice_Bane | no problemos |
| 11:45.20 | Ahli_ | custom icons? |
| 11:45.41 | Ahli_ | the help tab's content can be edited in game UI data in data module |
| 11:46.44 | Ice_Bane | that much I know |
| 11:46.59 | Ice_Bane | heres my thread about it |
| 11:47.00 | Ice_Bane | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/66987-custom-help-tab-icons-not-showing/#p1 |
| 11:48.00 | Ice_Bane | So I add the icons exactly like blizzards, with my own .dds files but they won't render. |
| 11:48.15 | Ice_Bane | it's like they are completely transparent |
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| 12:35.43 | DeadZergling | deleted that reddit post anyways, didn't like where it was going |
| 12:44.15 | DeadZergling | maybe that is just my curse |
| 12:44.23 | DeadZergling | all games I make are not popular, lol |
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| 14:10.55 | turtles1 | peace |
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| 14:11.15 | A1win | x_X slept for 11 hours |
| 14:17.37 | Dustin| | Lucky |
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| 14:34.34 | Zolden | A1win it's good for coding |
| 14:44.43 | Goa_ | I think sleeping 9 hour+ is counter productive |
| 14:46.20 | A1win | yeah was a bit too much :P |
| 14:46.44 | A1win | got dehydrated |
| 14:48.42 | Zolden | in sleep brain removes shit from itself. If it doesn't need any more, it simply sends "awake" message |
| 14:49.35 | Goa_ | ehh |
| 14:49.50 | Goa_ | I dont think that has anything to do with when do you wake up |
| 14:50.59 | Goa_ | Specially at me, as I always manage to wake up at mornings under REM. |
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| 15:17.49 | Dustin| | You guys know that sleeping removes toxic chemicals that build up in your brain while processing shit daily |
| 15:18.16 | Dustin| | Thought that was a cool info tidbit when I was researching sleep stuff |
| 15:31.38 | A1win | 3rd game no crash, *takes anti-jinx measures* |
| 15:41.36 | Dustin| | What did you change this time A1win |
| 15:41.51 | Dustin| | Also I played your map with my brother last night and he crashed after the game but I didnt |
| 15:42.09 | A1win | I was forcing some tooltips hidden with hide dialog item action |
| 15:42.16 | A1win | yeah it's random |
| 15:42.30 | A1win | what time last night? |
| 15:42.43 | Dustin| | At like 7pm entral |
| 15:42.46 | Dustin| | central |
| 15:42.59 | A1win | what time is it now? |
| 15:43.21 | A1win | no idea about your weird time zones ;I |
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| 15:44.34 | A1win | mmh well it can't be later than when I made this fix anyway |
| 15:46.02 | A1win | anyway this fix was for something I made in the patch where it first started crashing |
| 15:46.09 | A1win | and it definitely isn't how tooltips are supposed to be used |
| 15:46.09 | A1win | :x |
| 15:46.31 | A1win | and it also corresponds to the frequency at which this has been crashing relative to the number of those tooltips |
| 15:46.37 | A1win | somewhat anyway |
| 15:51.58 | Dustin| | It's almost 11am right now A1win |
| 15:52.06 | A1win | yeah |
| 15:52.26 | A1win | made this fix about 13 hours ago |
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| 15:53.00 | A1win | 4 games with no crash now, though last one was only 1v1 |
| 15:54.29 | Dustin| | Nice, ya it was before that, woot got my fingers crossed |
| 15:54.40 | A1win | hehe |
| 15:55.08 | A1win | I think I've had some weird issues with tooltips before too, though not sure if they were crashes |
| 16:06.45 | Zolden | those tips such a tools |
| 16:15.34 | A1win | 5 games no crash |
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| 16:29.09 | Dustin| | Duckies |
| 16:29.18 | Dustin| | Tits or GTFO. |
| 16:31.57 | duckies | here, have some boobies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-QbmkGySgU |
| 16:32.14 | duckies | statisfied? |
| 16:34.13 | Ahli_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_E7XKaaUY matchfixing in football |
| 16:38.54 | Ahli_ | at least it totally looks like that |
| 16:53.50 | A1win | 6 games no crash, though last 3 have been only 2-3 player games (two people left midgame and dunno if they crashed) |
| 17:06.28 | Zolden | turns duckies into a fat pair of tits |
| 17:09.19 | pirate | this is new |
| 17:09.22 | pirate | "could not find player decal from texture link" |
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| 17:53.58 | Zolden | waht was hp/hpMax named in life validators? |
| 17:54.46 | Zolden | "delta" is hpMax - hp |
| 17:54.56 | Zolden | trying to remember the word |
| 17:55.01 | A1win | life percent? ;p |
| 17:55.08 | A1win | or fraction or something |
| 17:55.16 | Zolden | fraction! yea, ty |
| 17:55.27 | Zolden | just want to name stuff in unity respectively |
| 18:03.15 | Dustin| | I want some stuff in your mom, respectively. |
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| 18:11.37 | A1win | woo no crash in 3v3 game |
| 18:15.26 | Zolden | test more, previous history of you vs crashes says that they are still there and will always be |
| 18:16.51 | Dustin| | Just call it the "Swift Game End to Desktop" feature |
| 18:17.00 | Dustin| | Problem fixed |
| 18:19.13 | A1win | Zolden, yea ;p |
| 18:21.43 | pirate | amazing "game changing" feature |
| 18:23.23 | A1win | forgot the shops are closed today, now I have no cola ;__; |
| 18:24.52 | Dustin| | Closed on a random thursday? |
| 18:25.01 | A1win | some religious holiday |
| 18:25.16 | Dustin| | Where do u live again? |
| 18:25.19 | A1win | Finland |
| 18:26.01 | A1win | there's a law that shops of certain *size* are not allowed to be open on certain days >_> |
| 18:26.14 | Dustin| | That's weird |
| 18:26.22 | A1win | some shop owners put a car in front of their actual shop as a mini-shop on some day |
| 18:26.26 | Dustin| | You god damn crazy finlanders |
| 18:28.14 | Dustin| | That seems like a counter-intuitive setup |
| 18:28.22 | A1win | at least they are allowed to be open on sundays now |
| 18:28.30 | A1win | a few years ago only summer sundays were allowed |
| 18:28.37 | A1win | or was it winter |
| 18:28.38 | A1win | anyway |
| 18:29.17 | A1win | yeah dunno why there needs to be a law for that |
| 18:29.28 | A1win | damn religions |
| 18:32.49 | Zolden | what religion in finlands? jews? |
| 18:33.22 | A1win | christianity |
| 18:34.10 | Dustin| | That makes no sense that you have a christian holiday on a day that merica does not |
| 18:34.18 | A1win | haha |
| 18:34.41 | A1win | ascension day |
| 18:34.51 | Dustin| | It even has a badass name |
| 18:35.06 | A1win | well it says it's today on google |
| 18:36.44 | Zolden | and when is the day when jesus magically 1 sec grown a hitler moustache on his butt? |
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| 18:43.39 | A1win | aaaand no crash, wooo |
| 18:46.27 | Dustin| | Fuck ya A1win |
| 18:46.51 | A1win | hmmh my warp drive shadow models show through cloak |
| 18:46.53 | A1win | any idea why? |
| 18:46.59 | A1win | the actor has cloak effect in inherited properties |
| 18:48.23 | Dustin| | Not sure, havent played with inherited properties really |
| 18:51.07 | Goa_ | ohh fucking blizz, they dont even want to pay a real server for logins... |
| 18:54.23 | A1win | yay, inheriting visibility fixed it |
| 18:57.53 | A1win | now I can focus on real features again ;p |
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| 19:04.34 | A1win | mmh I forgot how to open views in multiple tabs in trigger editor |
| 19:04.40 | A1win | anyone remember? D: |
| 19:11.06 | Dustin| | You can have multiple tabs in the trigger editor?! |
| 19:11.20 | A1win | yeah |
| 19:11.30 | A1win | I can only find hotkeys for changing tab and closing tab |
| 19:11.35 | A1win | but never remember how to open on |
| 19:11.36 | A1win | one :P |
| 19:11.46 | Dustin| | Well you just blew my mind |
| 19:11.48 | A1win | I've done it some time years ago |
| 19:13.35 | A1win | oh, it's unbound |
| 19:14.22 | A1win | nah that's not it |
| 19:14.47 | A1win | oh lol |
| 19:14.53 | A1win | just select two items and press enter |
| 19:15.33 | Dustin| | Ahh, yeah I as looking through the hotkeys and couldnt find anything about new tab |
| 19:15.39 | DeadZergling | so made a trailer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxHXaUvDJY , may be my last based on feedback so far |
| 19:15.48 | A1win | there was a "Create New Tabs" key but it didn't seem to do anything |
| 19:17.27 | Dustin| | Fuck ya that's a nice thing to know, just played with it |
| 19:18.08 | A1win | it just feels a bit impractical |
| 19:18.35 | DeadZergling | new tabs might be better than numerous notepads/paints open on the side |
| 19:18.49 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:22.36 | Zolden | Dustin| tried my unity game? |
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| 19:25.30 | Bounty | peow |
| 19:41.01 | espers | is there an easy way to transfer a unit (w/ model, actor ive made) from one map to another? |
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| 19:53.15 | EnitityEnigma | DeadZergling: appearantly your map was played yesterday durring the contest |
| 19:53.46 | EnitityEnigma | i wasnt in it when it was played so i didnt hear any of the feedback |
| 19:54.08 | DeadZergling | I see, I didn't hear any either, saw another rating, but no comments to go with it |
| 19:54.45 | DeadZergling | thx for the update in any case, EnitityEnigma |
| 19:54.51 | EnitityEnigma | yw |
| 19:55.16 | DeadZergling | didn't get any 1 star this map is broken/sux ratings |
| 19:55.19 | DeadZergling | so must have went okay, lol |
| 20:10.17 | Bounty | Tessera is now public for anyone interested |
| 20:10.48 | Merc | DeadZergling: forgot all about the raven https://www.dropbox.com/s/foxfbv04upvkm70/raven.zip |
| 20:12.14 | DeadZergling | cool thx, will try it out as soon as I get home tonight |
| 20:12.25 | DeadZergling | I gave up on reddit and deleted my post |
| 20:12.58 | Merc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.25 | DeadZergling | well would be cool if it could help, but unfortunately my complete and utter lack of social ability IRL leaks onto the internet nowadays too |
| 20:16.56 | DeadZergling | or maybe it always has, I was just too ignorant to notice before :P |
| 20:17.00 | Merc | dont be too harsh on yourself |
| 20:17.34 | DeadZergling | heh, this is me trying to be nice to myself, unfortunately |
| 20:17.40 | DeadZergling | Me myself and I don't get along so good |
| 20:19.42 | Merc | beat him up |
| 20:21.57 | DeadZergling | anyways, apparently solid gameplay, countless rebalance tunings isn't what people want nowadays |
| 20:22.07 | DeadZergling | maybe the Raven feature will set my game apart instead |
| 20:22.14 | Merc | totally |
| 20:23.52 | DeadZergling | afk for awhile anywho, be aroundish though |
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| 21:10.17 | pirate | how would you guys make a meteor falling animation? |
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| 21:22.20 | DeadZergling | people with questions sure are impatient today |
| 21:24.26 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ms/0.24b/SC2%202014-05-30%2000-23-39-82.png |
| 21:25.45 | A1win | err |
| 21:25.55 | A1win | "objectives" is misleading |
| 21:28.31 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ms/0.24b/SC2%202014-05-30%2000-28-04-66.png |
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| 21:53.53 | DeadZergling | hola mille25 , almost wish I had your problem lately |
| 21:54.25 | DeadZergling | rather feel outraged and oppressed than what I'm enjoying right now |
| 21:57.40 | mille25 | hi |
| 21:57.52 | mille25 | oh, got last minute bugs? :( |
| 21:58.26 | DeadZergling | naw, just seems people value marketing and gimmicks over solid gameplay, lol |
| 21:58.41 | DeadZergling | is rather discouraging |
| 21:59.09 | mille25 | in a perfect world, a good game should have everything. :D |
| 21:59.24 | DeadZergling | Bounty convinced me to make a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxHXaUvDJY |
| 21:59.50 | DeadZergling | granted, this is my first edited video post ever, but still was hoping it'd be better received, lol |
| 22:02.34 | A1win | text takes too much time from the video |
| 22:03.27 | mille25 | while nothing about the trailer is particulary bad, i feel like it is too long and too slow paced, your game seems to be very action heavy, so try to make a short but amazing trailer and use more agressive music to underline the gameplay. |
| 22:03.46 | mille25 | people have a very short attention span |
| 22:03.52 | DeadZergling | the black boxes, yea they a little long, but the footage seems kind of pointless without it |
| 22:03.55 | mille25 | especially if they know nothing about the map/creator |
| 22:04.17 | A1win | I used too aggressive music in my trailer, it makes DeadZergling's ears bleed |
| 22:04.22 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG52KmCvRs0 |
| 22:07.26 | DeadZergling | i dunno, what would you use in place of the black boxes? |
| 22:07.59 | A1win | speach ;p |
| 22:08.01 | DeadZergling | since I want to tell them something specific, but I don't think I can just show them video and have them be ahah. |
| 22:08.08 | A1win | *speech |
| 22:09.00 | DeadZergling | maybe, but at the same time my voice might make it even worse |
| 22:09.06 | DeadZergling | I'm naturally monotone :P |
| 22:09.13 | A1win | ;x |
| 22:10.07 | A1win | hmmh... wonder if I need more last minute fixes |
| 22:10.11 | DeadZergling | I give lectures like Ben Stein |
| 22:11.00 | DeadZergling | could anything other than voice work, lol |
| 22:11.39 | A1win | speech bubbles? ;p |
| 22:12.50 | DeadZergling | maybe, windows movie maker leaves much to be desired as far as text labeling goes |
| 22:13.07 | DeadZergling | would anchor top/bottom be such a bad thing to put in, I mean really |
| 22:13.39 | A1win | ;p |
| 22:13.48 | DeadZergling | last minute fixes, hrrrmm, let's see |
| 22:13.53 | DeadZergling | what about that horrible crashing issue? |
| 22:14.03 | A1win | I'm pretty sure I fixed it |
| 22:14.09 | A1win | have had like 7 games without crash now |
| 22:14.14 | A1win | yesterday it was crashing about 50% of the time |
| 22:14.20 | DeadZergling | by your words, you need 193 more |
| 22:14.22 | DeadZergling | to be positive |
| 22:14.26 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 22:14.42 | A1win | but I won't have time to fix it if all I do is test :P |
| 22:15.13 | A1win | it was caused by forcing tooltips hidden using Show/Hide Dialog Item action |
| 22:15.32 | A1win | made it instead just disable the button |
| 22:17.34 | DeadZergling | does anyone BESIDES Zolden have issues with my meteors not always coming out of the same part of the sky? |
| 22:17.41 | DeadZergling | out of curiosity |
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| 22:20.37 | Caz | ArcanePariah - You around today? |
| 22:21.28 | Bounty | what setting determines if halos are visible or not |
| 22:21.45 | DeadZergling | is an actor event |
| 22:21.49 | DeadZergling | should have the word glow in it |
| 22:21.56 | DeadZergling | glow or halo |
| 22:22.21 | Bounty | I know that |
| 22:22.24 | Bounty | I mean player settings |
| 22:22.26 | Bounty | graphics |
| 22:22.31 | Bounty | if you're on all low you can't see them |
| 22:22.54 | A1win | post processing |
| 22:23.11 | DeadZergling | oh that, yea they get a nice little slightly lit up char in that mode, and too bad for them, lol |
| 22:23.11 | A1win | medium enables halos |
| 22:23.23 | Bounty | thanks A1win |
| 22:23.29 | Bounty | looks like my game now has a required graphics setting |
| 22:23.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:23.44 | DeadZergling | you can force their graphics to be higher? |
| 22:23.59 | Bounty | sadly not |
| 22:24.59 | A1win | what do you need halos for? |
| 22:25.04 | Bounty | team colors |
| 22:25.16 | A1win | ouch, wouldn't use halos for that |
| 22:25.25 | Bounty | have to |
| 22:25.41 | Bounty | impossible to tell otherwise at long distances |
| 22:26.20 | A1win | some games have player names or health bars on top of friendly players |
| 22:27.35 | Bounty | yeah and that works for those games |
| 22:27.42 | DeadZergling | could just use tint colors, jack that shit up, have nuclear red and nuclear blue oompa loompas |
| 22:27.52 | Bounty | but if everyone has something above their head... kinda hard to be sneaky |
| 22:28.04 | A1win | DeadZergling, HDR also only works on certain settings ;p |
| 22:28.07 | DeadZergling | is only for allies |
| 22:28.17 | A1win | Bounty, only for friendly players |
| 22:28.41 | DeadZergling | for bad graphic people, can you just attach a giant overlord on friendly player's heads? lol |
| 22:28.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli_ (~asdaaaaa@ip-2-205-243-207.web.vodafone.de) |
| 22:28.55 | Zolden | A1win so, crash fixed? |
| 22:28.59 | A1win | I think so |
| 22:29.07 | Zolden | what was it? tooltips? |
| 22:29.10 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:29.16 | A1win | setting them hidden with triggers |
| 22:30.07 | Caz | Ok |
| 22:30.10 | Zolden | sounds like a random reason, how you even found it? |
| 22:30.14 | Caz | what is the difference between Target Prep Start |
| 22:30.18 | Caz | and Source Prep Start |
| 22:30.34 | A1win | Zolden, by looking at my changelog and checking what I changed in the version where it started crashing |
| 22:31.04 | A1win | version history is important ;x |
| 22:31.09 | Zolden | this makes changelogging a bit more useful than it was |
| 22:31.10 | A1win | should've been doing it even better |
| 22:31.14 | A1win | with version control software |
| 22:31.52 | Caz | I'm guessing Prep Start is identical in both actor events |
| 22:32.02 | Caz | but source/target prefixes dertermine which host the model attaches to |
| 22:32.25 | Caz | Otherwise i'm not really sure how they're different |
| 22:35.22 | DeadZergling | could install friendly fire on allies heads too, lol |
| 22:35.56 | Zolden | install friendly penis in allies butts |
| 22:38.05 | DeadZergling | no don't do that, then Zolden will be out of a job |
| 22:38.11 | DeadZergling | is his job to insert penises into men |
| 22:39.09 | Zolden | feminists would blame you for assuming that only men playing sc2 arcade maps |
| 22:40.06 | Zolden | Caz no one answers? |
| 22:40.19 | Caz | Hmm, it would seem so |
| 22:40.31 | Zolden | is it trigger or data related question? |
| 22:40.55 | DeadZergling | it would be okay Zolden, I'd just explain that you prefer men |
| 22:40.56 | Caz | Data, although right this moment i'm having difficulty getting the time variant to count as time scale correctly |
| 22:41.09 | DeadZergling | and they'd understand, then jump on a motorcycle and get more tattoos with their girlfriends |
| 22:42.40 | Zolden | ...and haircut more, and punch faces with their fat muscular arms barely cowered by jeans jackets |
| 22:43.40 | Caz | Zolden - does that mean u also dislike data questions ;p ? |
| 22:44.04 | Zolden | Caz I adore data questions, especially when I have more related data |
| 22:44.14 | Caz | Sec |
| 22:46.29 | Caz | Question [1/2]: Getting the model to accept changes in timescale. I have the impact animation playing properly. But when the time variant is set to (0.1) and option set to "time scale" .. it should be crawling through the motions as it did in the cutscene editor |
| 22:46.42 | Caz | But it appears to be displaying at normal speeds. |
| 22:48.12 | Zolden | impact effects are not normal models, they made of particles, whi react to timescale changes differently |
| 22:48.35 | Zolden | particles will move with the same speed, but emission speed will be multiplied |
| 22:49.45 | Zolden | though, impacts are usually don't have emissions, they just momentarily burst constant number of particles, so the model won't react at all to the timescale chnag |
| 22:49.46 | Zolden | e |
| 22:50.01 | Caz | In the cutscene editor -- i changed the timescale from 1.0 |
| 22:50.03 | Caz | to 0.2 |
| 22:50.09 | Caz | and it did exactly what i wanted to happen |
| 22:50.21 | Caz | produced the visual at a slower rate |
| 22:50.25 | Caz | for this exact model |
| 22:50.29 | Zolden | means cutscene timescale and model time multiplier are different things |
| 22:51.41 | Zolden | so, if I were you, I'd just create 2 different impact effects in art tools |
| 22:51.49 | Caz | ? |
| 22:52.20 | Zolden | creating new effects is the only way to affect particles based effects' time scale |
| 22:52.38 | Zolden | in editor it's not possible |
| 22:52.54 | Caz | well i have no "art tools" |
| 22:53.04 | Caz | i expected time scale to function properly |
| 22:53.40 | Zolden | we all expect more than poor old editor can give us |
| 22:53.54 | Caz | why would i have at ime scale setting for the model |
| 22:53.55 | Caz | if it doesnt work |
| 22:54.12 | Zolden | it works for all models except particles ones |
| 22:54.55 | Caz | so u can't slow particles down in any way.... |
| 22:55.34 | Zolden | yes |
| 22:55.52 | Zolden | and u do have art tools if you want, they are free and available |
| 22:56.02 | Zolden | u just need max 11 and some time to learn it |
| 22:56.13 | Caz | ... it feels like bullshit lol |
| 22:56.15 | Zolden | aand then u're just a boss off all particles |
| 22:56.25 | Caz | particle effects are 90% of what i'd want to slow down |
| 22:56.30 | Caz | and not figure out how to make my own |
| 22:56.33 | Caz | and have to deal with importy shit |
| 22:57.07 | Caz | seems like every time i try to do something, editor is shafting me lately |
| 22:57.15 | Zolden | i'd suppose it's a bug of the engine, but blizz will never fix it, they don't fix more important things, becasue they care about storm more then about our arcade shit |
| 22:58.13 | Zolden | just go to unity Caz, it's smart and do the trickies things I want it to do, like an experienced slut |
| 22:58.27 | Caz | except |
| 22:58.32 | Caz | it would take a full team to do anythign in unity |
| 22:58.48 | Caz | i have no experience with making assets or any kind of art |
| 22:59.03 | Zolden | right now I feel like it's 5x faster to make something in unity than in sc2 editor |
| 22:59.14 | Zolden | (unless it rts) |
| 22:59.28 | Caz | i'd have no free models and such to work with |
| 22:59.40 | Zolden | unty has more assets than sc2, there's assets store full of nicely made free stuff |
| 22:59.42 | Caz | i have this whole sc2 thing to make life easier |
| 22:59.54 | Caz | Then why are u here :p ? |
| 23:00.09 | Zolden | this place is not sc2 editor |
| 23:00.23 | Caz | "sc2mapster" |
| 23:01.04 | Zolden | i'm here to bring the light of unity into barbarian harts of the mapmakers |
| 23:01.10 | Caz | lol |
| 23:01.32 | Caz | well my othe question was for actor events |
| 23:01.38 | Caz | why they had things ilke |
| 23:01.43 | Caz | Source Prep Start |
| 23:01.45 | Caz | and |
| 23:01.47 | Caz | Target Prep Start |
| 23:01.51 | Caz | how thye are different |
| 23:02.01 | Zolden | dunno, never used |
| 23:02.06 | Zolden | is it abil stages or what? |
| 23:02.09 | Caz | ya |
| 23:02.17 | Caz | could just as easily said cast start |
| 23:02.30 | Zolden | there are 2-3 abil stages that are usssssed in 90% of cases |
| 23:02.54 | Caz | i'm asking only why there are 2 version of everything |
| 23:02.55 | Caz | Source |
| 23:02.57 | Caz | and |
| 23:02.58 | Caz | Target |
| 23:03.13 | Zolden | if you need to know what should you use in your case, open any actor of a close ability from the sc2 stuff |
| 23:03.32 | Caz | i already figured out what to use |
| 23:03.37 | Caz | i just wanted an explanation of why |
| 23:03.39 | Caz | lol |
| 23:04.07 | Caz | i don't like using things "because it works" |
| 23:04.09 | Zolden | source, target, caster, origin - these are scopes probably to reference different actors that are participate |
| 23:04.11 | Caz | i like to know how / why |
| 23:04.25 | Caz | source is not caster? |
| 23:04.33 | Caz | mhhh |
| 23:04.39 | Caz | i'm not familiar with the scopes then |
| 23:04.47 | Caz | i'd have assumed source / caster / origin wre same thing |
| 23:04.47 | Zolden | sc2 editor doesn't have the comprehensive manual |
| 23:04.55 | Zolden | like unity has |
| 23:05.20 | Caz | perhaps we will all gather in unity |
| 23:05.24 | Caz | ^ - double meaning ftw |
| 23:05.37 | Zolden | caster and target mostly used |
| 23:05.50 | Zolden | source is for behavior owner in most cases |
| 23:06.29 | Caz | well in any case... the visual is ruined since i cant draw out the impact effect until the cast time is over |
| 23:06.38 | Caz | back to searching models i guess... |
| 23:06.47 | Zolden | well, i'd say people will not come to unity, so far there's only 4 known unity persons amongst us, and 2-3 more who want to move, but can't |
| 23:06.59 | Caz | why "cant" |
| 23:07.16 | Zolden | they don't have enough motivation |
| 23:07.33 | Caz | it definitely sounds like a larger project than an sc2 map |
| 23:07.39 | Zolden | look at Dustin|, he started unity b4 me, and did nothing yet |
| 23:08.15 | Caz | Dustin| - care to tell me a bit about ur experience w/ unit ? lol |
| 23:08.22 | Caz | unity * |
| 23:08.47 | Zolden | in unity you decide how large the project is: in sc2 you have given structure of data, in unity you create the structure |
| 23:09.23 | Caz | "you create" = bigger work load to get started |
| 23:09.41 | A1win | have to make a lot more things from scratch than with SC2 |
| 23:09.50 | A1win | but it has so much more power |
| 23:10.34 | Zolden | so, unity requires stronger coding skills, and stronger mind activity to plan ahead, architecture the project, and control all features you created, but after all it all easier, because your instruments always fit the purpose |
| 23:11.32 | Caz | what about physics... collision... |
| 23:11.41 | Caz | weapons .. beams... effects |
| 23:11.45 | Caz | these things already exist in sc2 |
| 23:12.04 | A1win | SC2 only has visual physics |
| 23:12.11 | A1win | can't do any gameplay with it |
| 23:12.20 | A1win | unity uses PhysX, can control it in much more detail |
| 23:12.29 | Zolden | Caz not bigger, but deeper. Same amount time, just stronger efforts. Actually it's even smaller amount of time. In sc2 there's alot of routine, you spend days and days to create data stuff, while in unity it's always an inspiration trip into the world of complexity |
| 23:13.02 | Caz | Zolden - i dont want to spend 2 weeks solving pathing and physics solutions |
| 23:13.24 | Zolden | for my actual unity game I created weapons, beams, effects. Physics and collisions have been there |
| 23:14.11 | Zolden | as A1win saidm, physics is present in unity, sc2 has nothing clise to the splendid physx engine |
| 23:14.35 | A1win | it's not a really awesome physics engine though, feels really imprecise for some stuff |
| 23:14.43 | Caz | i'm watching a simple video of unity so im not just having dimwitted remarks |
| 23:14.46 | Zolden | and pathing is something i haven't touched, but i can agree: rts features have premade solutions in sc2, it's true |
| 23:14.51 | Caz | if u have any videos u want to link up |
| 23:14.53 | Caz | i'll watch |
| 23:15.08 | A1win | SC2 pathing is really limited |
| 23:15.26 | Caz | but it works |
| 23:15.32 | Caz | i spend 0 time on it |
| 23:15.48 | Zolden | all unity videos I saw suck except basic tutorials I started with. Usually 10 minute video contains the same amount of information I read in docs for 20 seconds |
| 23:16.48 | A1win | yeah SC2 pathing works for the purpose it's made for, but if you want anything different, you're out of luck |
| 23:17.11 | A1win | there's only one pathing mesh, and it's 2D |
| 23:17.50 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:17.52 | Caz | do you drag/drop units and such onto a map. Are there premade units/models with animations in place ? |
| 23:18.29 | Zolden | you want units to run faster on roads and it would be included into pathing calculations? how about to implement your own A* instead? |
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| 23:19.30 | Caz | i do not want to invent a path finder lol |
| 23:19.35 | Caz | i want to make a game lol |
| 23:19.58 | Zolden | in unity u'd have to create your own units as objects with properties and stuff, but animating models is easy, easier and more powerful and less limited than actor mesages |
| 23:20.01 | Caz | and it's easy to make units run faster/slower over various terrain in sc |
| 23:20.18 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/PEiNKwx.png |
| 23:20.28 | A1win | why are you comparing SC2 and unity |
| 23:20.29 | A1win | <.< |
| 23:20.30 | Zolden | yes, you can make units run faster, but it won't be included in pathfinding system |
| 23:20.41 | Caz | A1win - because zolden is trying to convince conversion |
| 23:21.04 | A1win | if you just want to make a game that is possible to make in SC2, then by all means use SC2 |
| 23:21.08 | Caz | and i think its just too much to learn. Just getting started would take more time then to make an entire working map in sc2. |
| 23:21.25 | Zolden | I was just charmed by unity and can't stop expressing my excitement |
| 23:21.34 | Caz | I'm looking at this unity stuff and even something as simple as selecting multiple units has to be scripted in |
| 23:21.44 | A1win | of course |
| 23:21.49 | A1win | there are no "units" in unity |
| 23:21.54 | A1win | unless you make them |
| 23:22.00 | Zolden | learning sc2 editor was 5-7 times slower than learning unity |
| 23:22.07 | A1win | unity is not an RTS game like SC2 is ;p |
| 23:22.24 | Zolden | though, the complexity of the sc2 editor made learning relatively simple unity faster for me |
| 23:22.35 | A1win | Zolden, that's because you already know a lot of stuff about programming |
| 23:22.42 | A1win | that's why unity was so easy to learn for you ;x |
| 23:22.58 | A1win | and SC2 has taught you too |
| 23:23.09 | Caz | the friend i have helping me right now in sc2 ... would be 100% unable to learn this script |
| 23:23.18 | Caz | i can't even get him to learn sc2 script lol |
| 23:23.26 | Zolden | yes, knowing c++ or C# is important to have a chance with unity |
| 23:23.47 | A1win | (or java, or any other modern programming language) |
| 23:24.23 | Zolden | but for sc2 it was important too |
| 23:24.25 | A1win | I started to self-learn programming when I was like 13 |
| 23:25.18 | Caz | I have enough c++ that i could fuddle my way throught unity |
| 23:25.23 | Caz | but not enough practice or math skills |
| 23:25.25 | Zolden | hm... I think I was 13 too when I first time asked a friend to explain to me how he coded a little thing he coded on his primitive computer |
| 23:25.27 | Caz | to impleement things like movement |
| 23:25.36 | Caz | and code so much from scratch |
| 23:26.33 | Caz | the thought of doing so much that's alreayd handled for you (and im already a month into editor without getting too much done) |
| 23:26.36 | Zolden | yea, sc2 is friendlier to noobs, all those data views and trigger gui |
| 23:26.50 | Caz | I don't use the trigger gui, other than for function lookups |
| 23:27.03 | Caz | i have table view in data editor |
| 23:27.16 | Zolden | than you have chances with unity :) |
| 23:27.36 | Caz | I don't say its impossible for me. I just say it looks like a hell of a lot more work, and i'd lose my only helper to its complexity lol |
| 23:27.37 | Zolden | maybe you just need time to feel the cage of limits in sc2 |
| 23:27.44 | Caz | driving solo is a motivation killer |
| 23:27.46 | A1win | I just always want to make games that are different from other games, SC2 feels really restricting |
| 23:27.53 | Zolden | it's a spacious cage |
| 23:28.12 | A1win | but my project is almost finished so I'm continuing with it in SC2 instead of porting it over to unity (and doing other things in unity instead) |
| 23:28.24 | Caz | I would consider unity |
| 23:28.28 | Caz | after a successful map in sc2 |
| 23:28.41 | A1win | Zolden, did you see the unity 4.6 GUI stuff? |
| 23:28.52 | A1win | http://blogs.unity3d.com/2014/05/28/overview-of-the-new-ui-system/ |
| 23:28.59 | A1win | it's better than SC2 UI editing |
| 23:29.11 | Zolden | yea, successfull map helps too: first you learn how to make interesting game, and second you learnd that sc2 player base isn't big enough |
| 23:29.16 | A1win | almost the same, except easier to edit, and it updates in real time |
| 23:29.59 | A1win | containers and anchors like in SC2 |
| 23:30.03 | Zolden | coo, i'm waiting for that new gui thing |
| 23:30.52 | Zolden | oh, time to sleep, cya guys |
| 23:31.23 | Caz | A1win - thats my feeling as well. Finishing a map first. |
| 23:31.41 | Caz | maybe byt he time my map is done i'll have eased my friend into trigger script editing |
| 23:31.47 | Caz | and we cang tanglew ith unity together |
| 23:31.51 | Caz | can* |
| 23:32.14 | Caz | trigger editing is so much easier than data editor. They NEED a manual for that shit |
| 23:32.34 | Caz | the trigger gui practically is a working manual of script functions |
| 23:38.17 | Caz | A1win - are there premade models with animations and such prepped to use for unity ? |
| 23:38.32 | A1win | unity has an asset store where you can get user made stuff |
| 23:38.38 | A1win | some are free, some cost money |
