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| 01:15.56 | Ahli | "You are free to download these textures and use it in your own projects" means really free to use, right? |
| 01:17.32 | Ahli | https://twitter.com/AhliSC2/status/463111284477530112 |
| 02:26.44 | Bounty | You there Ahli? |
| 02:27.15 | Bounty | The Create Beam action that mille25 extracted does not seem to be working for me |
| 02:27.23 | Ahli | sleepy & watching game of thrones |
| 02:27.41 | Bounty | does it work for you? |
| 02:27.59 | Ahli | I've used the gax mod, nice and easy, no struggles to add or extract something |
| 02:28.26 | Bounty | Did you ever use the action though? The extracted one |
| 02:28.58 | Ahli | the SCU's action? no, but that was just the actor beam on a timer |
| 02:29.35 | Ahli | btw, I remember you said something about no data |
| 02:30.01 | Ahli | it requires a little bit of actor data to work since the triggers use a few actors to do their magic |
| 02:30.02 | Bounty | yeah, the map he linked had no data entries |
| 02:30.22 | Bounty | ah so thats probably why its not working? |
| 02:30.37 | Ahli | yes |
| 02:30.51 | Ahli | just use gax4 mod from bnet |
| 02:30.52 | Bounty | what do I have to make? |
| 02:31.01 | Ahli | I don't remember |
| 02:31.21 | Bounty | Are you sure we're allowed to use it? We have to send all map files to Blizzard |
| 02:32.24 | Ahli | gax mod is unlocked, license on mapster states that the credit needs to be placed visible in the map... atm I'm waiting for responses of a few people including renee |
| 02:33.37 | Bounty | I just sent an email to Blizzard just in case |
| 03:36.25 | Caz | Bit confused here |
| 03:36.39 | Caz | Selecting a model for my spell graphic. |
| 03:37.12 | Caz | When i choose 1 pretty model for the effect it disappears correctly after showing the graphic. |
| 03:37.35 | Caz | When i choose another model .. that model stays stuck to the target of the spell |
| 03:37.36 | Caz | forever |
| 03:37.42 | Caz | never goes away |
| 03:38.09 | Caz | just sits there.. all shiney.. i don't understand why they behave differently |
| 03:43.39 | Vailreth | one likely has correct action events for the situation... the other likely does not |
| 03:44.10 | Vailreth | er actor events not action bleh |
| 03:51.21 | Caz | actors are like |
| 03:51.24 | Caz | the bane of my existence lol |
| 03:51.29 | Caz | hardest thing for me to learn |
| 03:52.04 | Caz | are there some real good tutorials / vids on them for spell effects ? |
| 03:52.15 | Caz | or any effects i guess |
| 03:53.33 | Caz | Many i've found on "thehelper" reference many images... to which all the links are broken |
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| 03:56.49 | Caz | Vailreth: Bout to close up for the night. Any tutorial or vid suggestions before i head out ? |
| 03:57.25 | Vailreth | not off the top of my head its been Way to long since i mapped... |
| 03:57.39 | Caz | kk |
| 03:58.23 | Vailreth | seach sc2 mapster for some tutorials by proziacmuze back in the day he was one of our resident Geniuses |
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| 04:05.43 | Caz | will do :3 |
| 04:05.45 | DZ|Gone | I assume you already know how to look at models in the cutscene editor, Caz ? |
| 04:05.53 | Caz | Yes i do |
| 04:06.03 | Caz | barely |
| 04:06.05 | Caz | lol |
| 04:06.05 | DeadZergling | you'll notice, not all of them have the same animations |
| 04:06.14 | DeadZergling | just find a marine or zealot or something, get him up there |
| 04:06.17 | Caz | ok correction on the know how |
| 04:06.20 | Caz | i've opened it |
| 04:06.25 | Caz | i dont know what im looking at :P |
| 04:06.29 | DeadZergling | then change the animation playing |
| 04:07.02 | DeadZergling | chances are REALLY good another model does not have the animations the actor is trying to use |
| 04:07.41 | DeadZergling | is why you are having issues |
| 04:08.06 | Caz | i prolly need a tutorial on setting up events in general |
| 04:08.16 | Caz | i dont understand all the BSD blah blah stuff in there |
| 04:09.50 | DeadZergling | yea, I guarantee the BSD thing is your issue, lol |
| 04:10.14 | DeadZergling | I tend to get fed up with it and replace it with a simple animation play |
| 04:10.41 | DeadZergling | but the idea is a good one, intro it does one animation, standing it plays another repeatedly, then it does a final one on death |
| 04:10.50 | DeadZergling | BSD = Birth Stand Death |
| 04:11.44 | Caz | While i have ur ear, there's another peculiar thing i can't seem to specify |
| 04:12.06 | Caz | When i cast the animation.. i want it to play at the location of the target unit |
| 04:12.10 | Caz | but not attach itself to the unit |
| 04:12.53 | DeadZergling | probably telling it to create at unit, need to change that to point I imagine |
| 04:13.37 | Caz | ah i thought the same thing |
| 04:13.38 | Caz | but |
| 04:13.41 | Caz | there is no "At Point" |
| 04:13.51 | DeadZergling | is target unit, target point, no? |
| 04:14.00 | Caz | nope |
| 04:14.06 | Caz | not for the events |
| 04:14.21 | DeadZergling | yea, this is in the effects |
| 04:14.26 | DeadZergling | not the actor |
| 04:15.02 | Caz | effect shows |
| 04:15.07 | Caz | Target+: Unit / Point |
| 04:15.39 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, well does this ability need to target a unit? if not, just make it target point |
| 04:15.48 | Caz | it must target a unit |
| 04:15.58 | Caz | it recalls a unit |
| 04:16.01 | Caz | to the caster |
| 04:16.11 | Caz | i just wanted to leave behind a sparkly |
| 04:16.14 | Caz | so people know what happened |
| 04:16.16 | Caz | when their foe disappears |
| 04:16.54 | DeadZergling | well, this isn't the most elaborate solution, but could just add a dummy create persistent |
| 04:17.09 | DeadZergling | and have your actor tied to that effect |
| 04:17.20 | Vailreth | yes i was about to suggest the same |
| 04:17.35 | Caz | never used that, but the wording sounds appropriate xD |
| 04:17.38 | DeadZergling | I'm sure it is doable with settings in the actor too, but me and actors don't get along so well |
| 04:17.51 | Caz | i'll write it down to look into it tomorrows |
| 04:18.11 | Caz | not many tutorials on using actors / effects |
| 04:18.12 | Vailreth | i would like to get back into mapping so if you have any form of pre-production doucment with ability ideas listed i would love to give making a few a shot. |
| 04:18.45 | Caz | pre-production .-. ? |
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| 04:19.09 | Caz | as in, not yet created? |
| 04:19.17 | Vailreth | sorry i have some game development studies done.. |
| 04:19.44 | Vailreth | its basically a document that lists ideas and goals for what you want your project inthis case a map to be and do. |
| 04:20.09 | DeadZergling | ah geez, that sounds like more work than making the map itself |
| 04:20.17 | Caz | lol |
| 04:20.29 | Caz | its pretty simplistic |
| 04:20.35 | Caz | one of the most overdone desires in modding |
| 04:20.36 | Vailreth | they are helpful for working on team projects |
| 04:20.37 | Caz | hero battles ! |
| 04:20.52 | Vailreth | as is a project bible... |
| 04:21.11 | Caz | Dota, AoS, Smota, LoL, Guild Wars 1, |
| 04:22.09 | Caz | friends and i will create map to fight on with some generalized goal for over all victory |
| 04:22.14 | Caz | but the meat for now is heroes + abilities |
| 04:22.24 | Vailreth | http://gameindustry.about.com/od/game-development/a/How-To-Plan-A-Game-Development-Project.htm |
| 04:22.54 | Caz | i need to get these graphical effects understood so i can return to the creation of the abilities |
| 04:22.54 | Vailreth | as i said before if you want some help i am available for some part time stuff. |
| 04:23.45 | Caz | Appreciated, both of u =) |
| 04:23.56 | Caz | for now gotta head to bed, will be around tomorrow night to noob it up. |
| 04:24.03 | DeadZergling | I got some shit for you to do if you really want something to do Vailreth , lol |
| 04:24.14 | Vailreth | what do you need? |
| 04:24.27 | Caz | bah let him make awesome hero first :P |
| 04:24.33 | Caz | jaja |
| 04:24.39 | DeadZergling | make a boss worthy of being in my Smash TV map |
| 04:24.44 | DeadZergling | and I'll stuff it in there, lol |
| 04:24.54 | Vailreth | i dont come up with ideas anymore i just make them work... |
| 04:25.09 | DeadZergling | destructible would be awesome as well |
| 04:25.11 | Caz | sounds fun, i'll think something up :3 |
| 04:25.18 | Caz | night guys |
| 04:25.22 | DeadZergling | later Caz |
| 04:25.26 | Vailreth | later Caz |
| 04:26.01 | DeadZergling | you familiar with the Smash TV game from the NES/SNES Vailreth ? |
| 04:26.17 | Vailreth | vaguely i used to have it but its been ages |
| 04:26.44 | DeadZergling | isn't something you gotta do, just if you were looking for something to sink your teeth into |
| 04:26.48 | DeadZergling | that'd be helpful to me |
| 04:28.20 | Vailreth | when you said destrictible boss first thing that came to my mind was a version of the Omega-lysk that prozaic did a tutorial on back in the day... the only problem can see with my idea is animating two additional actors along with the main unit actor.. |
| 04:28.50 | DeadZergling | indeed, well I didn't want to give you something too lame to do :) |
| 04:30.40 | Vailreth | this is what i had in mind, it starts out as the Omegalysk but with 2 spine and 2 spore crawlers in its back, these die and become useless as it takes damage, then once a threshhold of damage has been reached the Omegalysk pops and three pygalisks pop out |
| 04:30.58 | Vailreth | all as one unit. |
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| 04:31.11 | DeadZergling | works for me, I'd just want it in a week or two |
| 04:31.20 | Vailreth | i will see what i can do |
| 04:32.10 | Vailreth | as i said the hard part will be figuring out how to animate the extra two pygalisks |
| 04:32.53 | DeadZergling | sure, one thing to keep in mind, my game has all dodgeable damage |
| 04:33.02 | DeadZergling | the attacks must be dodgeable |
| 04:33.35 | DeadZergling | (or some warning before a super hard to dodge attack happens at least!) |
| 04:33.47 | Vailreth | right. |
| 04:34.35 | Vailreth | it would be more effect target point with smaller search area effectss or something along that rght? |
| 04:34.58 | Vailreth | i just want to be conssistent with what you are already doing |
| 04:34.59 | DeadZergling | right, proximity damage is pretty much handled too |
| 04:35.15 | DeadZergling | just have to mark a unit as massive, and it triggers proximity damage |
| 04:35.31 | DeadZergling | sure, I'll be posting a new version soon |
| 04:35.35 | Vailreth | ok. |
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| 04:35.50 | DeadZergling | will give you an idea what I'm going for, the arena/spawning behavior is much better than it was just yesterday |
| 04:35.53 | DeadZergling | made a ton of progress |
| 04:36.21 | Vailreth | nice. where can i find it once its up? if you havent published it yet i mean? |
| 04:37.32 | DeadZergling | is up on arcade, but is very unfinished |
| 04:37.37 | DeadZergling | Smash TV: Total Carnage |
| 04:37.54 | DeadZergling | gonna have it looking good in time for the contest they got going on is my plan |
| 04:38.07 | Vailreth | ah |
| 04:38.21 | DeadZergling | probably won't win, or even make it past the second wave |
| 04:38.30 | DeadZergling | but gonna get it good anyways |
| 04:38.58 | Vailreth | what dependencies does the map use? i want to make this demo map as compatible as possible? |
| 04:39.12 | Vailreth | er no second ? on there im tired |
| 04:39.39 | DeadZergling | map uses most the default dependencies |
| 04:39.42 | DeadZergling | aka blizz ones |
| 04:39.49 | DeadZergling | so shouldn't be an issue |
| 04:40.38 | Vailreth | i will be going with swarm campagin ok i will try to have something showable by friday. |
| 04:41.22 | DeadZergling | swarm might be a problem, I never bothered to buy HoTS, lol |
| 04:41.59 | DeadZergling | sorry, I keep forgetting to mention relevant details |
| 04:42.08 | DeadZergling | too distracted trying to solve an actor issue I'm having |
| 04:42.17 | Vailreth | ah isee... |
| 04:42.34 | DeadZergling | an actor logic problem, honestly |
| 04:43.05 | Vailreth | in that case i will just use WoL then... but hots may be an good investment if its cheap enough, alteast just for the assest.. |
| 04:44.42 | DeadZergling | aha, thought of a solution to my issue |
| 04:44.48 | DeadZergling | kind of clunky, but it'll work, lol |
| 04:47.39 | DeadZergling | look forward to seeing it Vailreth :) |
| 04:47.54 | Vailreth | * nods* |
| 04:48.19 | Vailreth | just need to refresh on a few things and i should be good to go. |
| 04:56.24 | Vailreth | any one else having an issue were the race is not displaying in the unit modification window? |
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| 06:02.57 | DeadZergling | me and actors, I just don't think we'll ever get along, lol |
| 06:13.32 | Bounty | Is there a way to disable a models light? |
| 06:13.37 | Bounty | if it emits one |
| 06:14.04 | DeadZergling | probably the same answer as the shadows one, need a new model... |
| 06:15.07 | Bounty | well... lovely |
| 06:15.10 | Bounty | 4 hours wasted |
| 06:15.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:18.03 | DeadZergling | could be worse, could be fiddling with actors like me |
| 06:19.31 | Bounty | well tahts what I was doing |
| 06:19.47 | Bounty | swapping like 5 textures to get it to look right but then I noticed the model is emitting light |
| 06:19.54 | Bounty | and the color is wrong |
| 06:20.04 | Bounty | so... now that model is useless lol |
| 06:25.44 | DeadZergling | bummer, I'm about murder actor events |
| 06:25.51 | DeadZergling | pissing me off so much, lol |
| 06:45.55 | DeadZergling | may finally have a solution though, took me long enough |
| 06:48.40 | DeadZergling | hurray, my damned shield graphics finally do what I want |
| 06:51.15 | DeadZergling | to be fair to my earlier statement about actors, I been a really shitty friend to them |
| 06:51.33 | DeadZergling | I ask them to do things, then get mad when they do exactly what I ask |
| 06:51.45 | DeadZergling | and keep demanding more and more things |
| 07:03.05 | turtles1 | quick question. anyone know how the editor handles modulo of negative numbers? |
| 07:03.57 | turtles1 | ie -1 mod 8. would that be -1 or 7? |
| 07:11.33 | DeadZergling | I'd assume -1 honestly |
| 07:11.46 | DeadZergling | mod is just supposed to return the remainder, so I'd expect -11 mod 8 to be -3 |
| 07:12.05 | DeadZergling | but would have to run it to be sure, I'll crap something in there my next run, lol |
| 07:15.22 | DeadZergling | yup, is -3 |
| 07:19.47 | DeadZergling | now onto one of my least favorite activities of all time, UI |
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| 07:30.15 | DeadZergling | anyone awake out there, I'm feeling a break coming on |
| 07:30.22 | DeadZergling | been working too hard on this thing lately |
| 07:30.34 | DeadZergling | I seek bullshitting! |
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| 09:10.52 | Goa_ | how do I make an actor to not show tooltip if mouse moved on it. (it shows currently owner's name) |
| 09:12.36 | Goa_ | ahh allow to hit test probably solves it |
| 09:34.31 | DeadZergling | well, not hard to remember why I hate messing with UI in any way... http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/05/05/53675af9396af.jpg |
| 09:43.17 | DeadZergling | Zolden, aside from my awful text formatting, what could be better about the UI here? http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/05/05/53675d145bcfd.jpg |
| 09:43.59 | DeadZergling | I will make the text gray later too |
| 09:44.04 | DeadZergling | I didn't forget your advice on that |
| 09:45.12 | Ahli | Zolden, can I use your bridge plank model in my diablo map for the arcade map contest? |
| 09:48.32 | DeadZergling | Guess zolden is afk atm, anyone, feedback on http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/05/05/53675d145bcfd.jpg besides the text formatting? |
| 09:51.18 | Zolden | Ahli you can not ask, just have automatic "yes" for any "can I use your model" |
| 09:52.38 | Zolden | DeadZergling align numbers. There should be imaginary vertical line all numbers' left sides aligned to |
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| 09:53.16 | Zolden | DeadZergling also, what big ans small colored things stand for? |
| 09:53.29 | DeadZergling | life bars |
| 09:53.46 | DeadZergling | they kind of big at the moment, maybe i should move lives count away from name down near them |
| 09:53.49 | DeadZergling | so I can shrink those up |
| 09:54.10 | Ahli | :) |
| 09:55.26 | DeadZergling | maybe put a little marine icon near them |
| 09:56.30 | DeadZergling | by the way Zolden, does the automatic "yes" apply to me as well, lol |
| 09:57.49 | Zolden | yes, to all of us |
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| 10:19.27 | DeadZergling | Zolden, another try: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/05/05/536765a13e1df.jpg |
| 10:19.41 | DeadZergling | looks better, but still looking for opinions/advice |
| 10:26.59 | Ahli | so, let's see if I can make attachment points for that diablo model :D |
| 10:28.21 | DeadZergling | the way the score looks is really bothering me, not sure what can be done about it though... |
| 10:28.40 | DeltaVelocity | deadzergling, imo if you don't have a Score: label on it you should centre the score |
| 10:28.45 | DeltaVelocity | or add the "Score:" back |
| 10:28.48 | DeltaVelocity | and right align all the numbers |
| 10:29.02 | DeltaVelocity | since left aligning the score would take up too much extra space |
| 10:29.27 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, problem is, the score goes a lot higher than ammo and lives |
| 10:29.44 | DeltaVelocity | yeah |
| 10:30.58 | DeadZergling | will try adding Score: back, so people can compare themselves to others a little easier |
| 10:33.59 | DeltaVelocity | http://snag.gy/clZQ7.jpg |
| 10:34.31 | DeadZergling | yea, have to say I like the blue one better |
| 10:34.44 | DeltaVelocity | yeah I think so too actually |
| 10:35.22 | DeadZergling | guess I can play with the tint function on my little marine icon while I'm at it |
| 10:35.31 | DeadZergling | make him more hurt looking with less life, lol |
| 10:36.03 | DeadZergling | thanks for the input Zolden / DeltaVelocity |
| 10:37.14 | DeltaVelocity | is the number by marine the life? |
| 10:38.13 | DeadZergling | lives, the 3 bars to the left are his life |
| 10:38.21 | Ahli | damned, I don't understand how to link an attachment point to a bone thing anymore |
| 10:38.22 | DeadZergling | 3 hits and you die |
| 10:39.03 | DeltaVelocity | ah true |
| 10:41.56 | DeadZergling | show you what I came up with in a bit, setting up an update action atm |
| 10:43.32 | Zolden | DeadZergling it's chaos now, bring order |
| 10:44.05 | Zolden | first vertical line: names, second vertical line numbers, third vertical lines other elements |
| 10:46.39 | Zolden | DeadZergling order, alignment: http://i.snag.gy/AHxMt.jpg |
| 10:47.10 | Ahli | ahh Zolden, how do I link an attachment point to a bone? |
| 10:48.13 | Zolden | Ahli pick "link" instrument, select attachment point, mouse down on it and move mouse to bone, mouse up |
| 10:48.19 | DeadZergling | would need a good deal bigger dialog to do that I think,,, |
| 10:48.47 | Zolden | DeadZergling no one asked you to make small dialog full of chaotically placed elements |
| 10:49.18 | Ahli | after that, it should move with the bone in the animations in 3dsmax, correct? |
| 10:51.11 | Ahli | it worked with the line of the green boxes |
| 10:51.48 | Zolden | yes, after that it moves with the mone |
| 10:51.48 | Ahli | how do I move it closer to where I want the attachment point? |
| 10:52.19 | Zolden | just move the attachment to the position relatively to the bone where you want it to be, then link |
| 10:52.36 | Zolden | select attachment, alt + a, pick bone |
| 10:52.49 | Ahli | ok, select and move tool was able to move it |
| 10:52.52 | Zolden | check position and rotation axes if needed |
| 10:53.36 | Ahli | where does a hand attachment usually point at? |
| 10:55.06 | Ahli | now I should have used the correct hand... damned D3 diablo |
| 10:56.23 | Zolden | usually there's a palm bone you need to inherit orientation from, which would correspond to desired attachmet orientation |
| 10:56.30 | Zolden | at least it works for wow models |
| 11:00.47 | Ahli | great, max crashed |
| 11:00.54 | Ahli | while saving |
| 11:00.58 | Zolden | oh |
| 11:10.33 | Zolden | coding on unity after all those years dealing with sc2 editor https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XstNSL62N_0/U2S8U_XAeQI/AAAAAAABD6k/xBT1kyhYrYA/w426-h297/tumblr_n4z6gz04vQ1qdlh1io1_r1_1280.gif |
| 11:14.38 | Ahli | crosses fingers that it looks properly in cutscene editor |
| 11:15.33 | Ahli | bone 100, invalid, what! |
| 11:16.27 | Ahli | or can't I attach it to a green box? |
| 11:16.44 | Zolden | maybe you forgot to define attachment point's type? |
| 11:17.04 | Zolden | you can attach anything to anything, but things must be named correctly |
| 11:17.37 | Ahli | froze max... damned |
| 11:19.24 | DeadZergling | latest edition of chaos: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/05/05/536773a6ac93f.jpg |
| 11:19.40 | Ahli | how do I edit an existing attachment point type? |
| 11:20.05 | Zolden | select attachment point, there will be button at instrument tab |
| 11:21.17 | DeadZergling | but I dunno, have to be some damn big tables to hold score and have that imaginary vertical line, and a third column just for life bars seems so bleh |
| 11:22.17 | Zolden | DeadZergling this is better, less chaos, not like i'm ok about right side alignment, but I'm not sure that it will look better with bigger panels |
| 11:23.49 | Ahli | well, it looks like it worked in max, but the preview function still states "Ref_Weapon_Left: [Unknown], Bone = 100 (invalid!)" |
| 11:24.24 | DeadZergling | is sad, I thought really hard about those, and tried to pay attention to those design forums you linked |
| 11:24.30 | DeadZergling | but I still made chaos... |
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| 11:30.52 | DeadZergling | Sorry Zolden, I am a bad UI apprentice |
| 11:34.26 | Ahli | it worked :D |
| 11:34.38 | Ahli | did it again and it worked |
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| 13:17.41 | A1win | I accidentally an art: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a134/SC2%202014-05-05%2016-16-20-70.jpg |
| 13:18.55 | A1win | compared to the old version: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a133/SC2%202014-05-04%2016-42-40-51.jpg |
| 13:18.57 | Zolden | wow, pretty |
| 13:19.08 | A1win | such small change, so big consequences |
| 13:19.33 | A1win | it's even more awesome in-game because it pulses ;D |
| 13:20.56 | Dustin| | Ha A1win looks badass |
| 13:25.04 | Zolden | would be so easy to implement an AI and spawn enemies for testing purposes if it were on unity |
| 13:25.39 | A1win | now I just need to figure out how to make the planets look cool |
| 13:25.52 | A1win | maybe they need some emissive stuff |
| 13:27.11 | Zolden | A1win maybe you want to use this as a planet? http://i.snag.gy/MdQ2i.jpg |
| 13:27.20 | Zolden | made it for unity game |
| 13:27.27 | Zolden | thought, it's just a semisphere |
| 13:27.40 | A1win | nah, I don't like the texture |
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| 13:33.58 | A1win | mmh I forgot where to access lighting data |
| 13:34.52 | A1win | nvm, found it |
| 13:42.28 | Dustin| | Hmm Im going to have to figure out a way to send Unity Game data to a python command |
| 13:43.04 | Dustin| | Maybe I can send it to a storage system on the machine that's readable by both C# and Python... |
| 13:44.40 | Merc | http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/86461-Python-interpreter-in-Unity ? |
| 13:47.48 | Goa_ | I have an actor event with effect execute index at 10, is there way to change the number 10 under game? |
| 13:50.09 | Ahli | what? |
| 13:53.34 | Dustin| | Merc, that looks like exactly what I need, ty |
| 13:54.55 | Merc | cool |
| 13:55.17 | Merc | I didn't ask for these powers |
| 13:56.24 | Dustin| | Im hoping Ill be able to run my unity game on my RaspberryPI, I should probably check that out before continuing lol |
| 13:57.33 | Merc | running plex on mine, kinda works |
| 14:00.36 | Dustin| | Ya looks like the latest verison of Monogame has support for the PI and it's hardfloat numbers |
| 14:00.40 | Dustin| | Nice |
| 14:01.18 | Dustin| | Software is falling into place, now I need to get my board hardware devices all setup for tile and hereo detection |
| 14:01.40 | Ahli | yay kitchens in forum |
| 14:03.22 | A1win | Zolden, how can I make a model that always faces the camera? |
| 14:03.50 | Zolden | go menu -> art tools -> behaviors |
| 14:03.54 | Zolden | add new behavior |
| 14:03.56 | Merc | billboard, something? |
| 14:04.20 | Zolden | make it billboard |
| 14:04.36 | Merc | high fives himself |
| 14:04.38 | A1win | full and look at camera? |
| 14:06.10 | Zolden | yes |
| 14:06.31 | A1win | mmh, doesn't seem to work, maybe something to do with the model attachment? |
| 14:06.43 | A1win | I mean the model is attached to a planet |
| 14:07.15 | A1win | or does that make any difference? |
| 14:07.20 | Ahli | <3 how I can't open the max save file anymore from earlier >_> damned attachment points |
| 14:07.38 | Zolden | A1win you need to select the mesh or bone you want to add that behavior to and press one of the buttons that has tooltip like... don't remember, something about use this behavior for viewport selection |
| 14:07.45 | A1win | oh |
| 14:08.25 | A1win | any idea where that button is? ;p |
| 14:08.43 | A1win | add bones from viewport selection? |
| 14:09.42 | A1win | :P that made the whole thing disappear |
| 14:09.47 | A1win | in-game |
| 14:09.51 | A1win | maybe it's facing wrong way? |
| 14:10.23 | A1win | which axis is the one that will face the camera? |
| 14:11.36 | A1win | I guess "front", which is... +y? |
| 14:12.24 | Zolden | i don't remember where the front is |
| 14:12.26 | A1win | mmh, still nothing |
| 14:12.28 | Zolden | probably -y |
| 14:12.44 | Zolden | or +z |
| 14:12.55 | Zolden | something should work |
| 14:13.06 | A1win | neither worked |
| 14:13.12 | A1win | so something else still wrong ;p |
| 14:15.54 | A1win | any ideas? |
| 14:16.11 | A1win | do I need to define its origin or something? |
| 14:16.51 | Zolden | does it work without that behavior? |
| 14:16.56 | A1win | yeah |
| 14:17.15 | A1win | as soon as I add the bone to the behavior, it stops showing up in preview and in-game |
| 14:17.17 | Zolden | ok, try to do this to a shape, not to a plane |
| 14:17.22 | Zolden | just to see what is forward |
| 14:17.32 | Zolden | then just place plane respectively |
| 14:17.44 | A1win | I tried all 6 directions |
| 14:18.52 | Zolden | just remove all, try to do it for a shape, and when it works, u'll understand how to make it fwork for a plane |
| 14:19.14 | Zolden | shape won't be turned by invisible back |
| 14:20.29 | A1win | mmh, weird, the shape does show up even when billboarded |
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| 14:21.34 | Zolden | jsut use asymmetric shape to see what is forward direction, then redo it for plane |
| 14:23.19 | A1win | err |
| 14:23.33 | A1win | apparently rotating it doesn't actually rotate it globally :P |
| 14:23.35 | A1win | I mean locally |
| 14:23.43 | A1win | how do I change an object's local rotation? |
| 14:30.24 | A1win | yay I did it ;p |
| 14:32.50 | A1win | there, billboarded atmospheres: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a134/SC2%202014-05-05%2017-32-25-55.jpg |
| 14:41.38 | Dustin| | I like the shadows of the stars |
| 14:42.09 | A1win | :P I was just thinking I should get rid of them |
| 14:42.23 | A1win | maybe it's fine |
| 14:43.45 | Dustin| | I like them lol, give some more depth to it |
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| 14:54.52 | A1win | woo fresnel http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a134/SC2%202014-05-05%2017-54-07-54.jpg |
| 14:55.10 | A1win | maybe a bit too stgrontg |
| 14:55.13 | A1win | *strong |
| 15:02.55 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a134/SC2%202014-05-05%2018-02-13-94.jpg |
| 15:02.59 | A1win | woo made it even smoother |
| 15:06.05 | A1win | Zolden, any idea why my sphere shows shadows on polygon edges when viewed close by? |
| 15:06.28 | A1win | in cutscene editor |
| 15:07.21 | A1win | maybe have to do with normals? |
| 15:09.25 | Dustin| | http://puu.sh/8AgsU.png |
| 15:09.34 | Tomura | if it is normals try to change the rendering to Object/World Space Normals |
| 15:11.03 | Tomura | it should look like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70741181/SC2/Cutscene%20Editor%20005.jpg |
| 15:12.41 | A1win | oh nvm it was just in the preview window, not in cutscene editor |
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| 15:55.54 | pirate | are unit vital percentages from UnitGetPropFixed returned as decimals or whole numbers (50% == 50.00 || 50% == 0.50) ? |
| 15:56.40 | A1win | 50% = 50.00 |
| 15:56.46 | pirate | ty |
| 16:05.34 | Zolden | np |
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| 16:24.33 | Dustin| | Sup Renee |
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| 17:12.47 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/49/306/QQ20140506010915.jpg |
| 17:13.39 | Zolden | is it model of TwoDie? |
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| 17:23.58 | Ahli | what's the easiest way of creating ref_center ? |
| 17:24.18 | Zolden | in max or in editor? |
| 17:26.31 | Ahli | max, but I think I got it |
| 17:26.39 | Ahli | but it might be better to attach it to diablo's body |
| 17:28.06 | Ahli | out of memory >_> |
| 17:28.13 | Zolden | usually when one creates a model, he uses art tools menu item -> helpers -> create base attach points |
| 17:28.29 | Zolden | just to make sure that all basically required opints are created |
| 17:28.55 | Zolden | though, target may not be required if one creates a target volume |
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| 17:45.00 | Scorp_ | Yo |
| 17:45.24 | TwoDie | hey nigger jew |
| 17:46.13 | Scorp_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/66204-color-craft-proof-of-concept/ |
| 17:46.22 | Scorp_ | I'd like to know what you guys think |
| 17:47.23 | TwoDie | nothing good for sure |
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| 17:48.45 | Scorp_ | I'm terrible |
| 17:55.23 | TwoDie | terrible terrible damage |
| 18:01.44 | Ahli | how do I reach out to otixa? ;S |
| 18:10.01 | Zolden | Ahli when I get him to answer in skype, I'll tell you |
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| 18:28.51 | pirate | issue order queue replaces removes all current orders, yes (including previously assigned orders Before Current Order? |
| 18:32.10 | Ahli | replace = empty order list and put order to first |
| 18:33.07 | pirate | understood |
| 18:38.27 | TwoDie | heh such disappointement in dota2 ability draft today.. such a lose |
| 18:42.26 | Dustin| | That ability draft crap is so stupid |
| 18:42.33 | Zolden | play twodta 2 |
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| 18:45.13 | Icebane | Heey! |
| 18:45.20 | Dustin| | sup broski |
| 18:45.38 | Icebane | I haven't been in this irc for almost a year |
| 18:45.39 | Icebane | scary shit |
| 18:45.57 | Dustin| | Stop being a noob and connect more :P |
| 18:46.19 | TwoDie | its even more luck based than Hearthstone. The hero u get gaining stats, ranged or not, and such... Then the draft itself, how many in ur team will start picking passives that work very badly inbetween, |
| 18:46.22 | Ahli | then, welcome back... nothing really changed except for quite a few people toying with unity now, too :D |
| 18:46.43 | TwoDie | or getthing outdrafted in general most of the time, passives vs speels |
| 18:47.29 | Icebane | Thanks Ahli! :D I remember you and your cat avatar |
| 18:47.40 | Dustin| | Twodie, I think it's just a bad mode in general, no way to balance it, and as if you didnt have enough to memorize what abilities each 60 heroes had, now you gotta remember each individual ability for a random hero, fuck that |
| 18:47.51 | Icebane | Unity is cool, I've been sitting a lot with it during an internship I finished recently |
| 18:47.53 | Icebane | anyway |
| 18:47.55 | Ahli | I've changed it ;D |
| 18:47.55 | Icebane | Does anyone here happen to know why my Unit (with Behavior A) current hp is set to full when I did a Catalog Set Value on Behavior A's "Max Vital Array[0]"? |
| 18:48.08 | Icebane | Wait whaaat! *jumps over to the forums* |
| 18:48.18 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/avatars/8/434/ahli_logo2.png now I have that |
| 18:48.39 | Zolden | unity is not a toy! |
| 18:48.41 | Ahli | self made out of staredit.net icon (which is based on sc2 map icon) and the editor icon |
| 18:49.09 | Ahli | everything is a toy |
| 18:49.11 | Icebane | awwh I liked the cat moer! ;> though that one is pretty cool too |
| 18:49.13 | Dustin| | Icebane, because when using a behavior to set life like that Max sets the max and base |
| 18:49.28 | Dustin| | I dont think it's split up like on a unit's Starting/Max |
| 18:49.41 | Zolden | Icebane what u made in unity? |
| 18:50.29 | Icebane | so I have to change it in the Unit catalog instead? |
| 18:50.31 | Ahli | the cat was a copyright infringement, this one isn't (that much) |
| 18:50.32 | Icebane | I did this: |
| 18:50.32 | Icebane | http://www.stefan-jonsson.se/dead-strains |
| 18:50.38 | Icebane | and this |
| 18:50.38 | Icebane | http://www.stefan-jonsson.se/scripting |
| 18:51.47 | Ahli | does everyone have the same cars in the same colors? |
| 18:52.32 | Icebane | Dustin, do I need to change it in the Unit catalog instead? |
| 18:52.46 | Dustin| | If memory serves me correctly yes |
| 18:53.07 | Dustin| | I dont think you can do what you're wanting with a behavior like that |
| 18:53.10 | Zolden | Icebane are you steffan johnson on tha vid? |
| 18:53.20 | Icebane | Zolden, correct! |
| 18:53.29 | Zolden | cool then |
| 18:53.37 | Zolden | do you keep participating some unity projects? |
| 18:54.11 | Icebane | yeah I was at Ludum Dare #28 two weekends ago and did this http://www.stefan-jonsson.se/a-mole-odyssey |
| 18:54.27 | Icebane | but if you mean a bigger project nope |
| 18:54.43 | Icebane | currently learning UE4 for another project |
| 18:55.56 | Zolden | looks nice |
| 18:57.09 | Zolden | Icebane so, made any cash out of your unity projects? |
| 18:57.36 | Icebane | Thanks! No I haven't put anything up on a store yet |
| 18:57.41 | Icebane | The mole game might go there though |
| 18:58.26 | Icebane | Dustin, thanks! I'll give that a try |
| 18:59.29 | Zolden | Icebane is mole's tail - trail renderer? or particles? |
| 19:01.14 | Icebane | trail renderer |
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| 19:18.13 | Dustin| | Sup zerg |
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| 19:21.04 | DeadZergling | not too much Dustin| , just another long night of modding, made another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrLH9gBfhA |
| 19:21.07 | Bounty | peow |
| 19:21.20 | DeadZergling | actually had a question for you Dustin| if you have time |
| 19:21.32 | Dustin| | Ya, shoot |
| 19:22.10 | Bounty | You should probably consider making things bigger DeadZergling |
| 19:22.12 | DeadZergling | My Wurm Gun spawns little broodlings in whatever it hits, but not sure how to approach making them auto attack afterwards |
| 19:22.54 | DeadZergling | like could just make them go where the shooter is, but that wouldn't make sense, and is a ton of enemies to choose from |
| 19:23.05 | Dustin| | Are they made with data or triggers? |
| 19:23.14 | DeadZergling | they are pure data atm |
| 19:24.10 | DeadZergling | to some extent maybe Bounty , but I fear making the arena look too claustraphobic if I boost the model size too much |
| 19:24.15 | Dustin| | You might use something like the funciton I linked the other day where it loops though all the broodling units and sets a closest unit target every 1 second or so and order htem to attack that position |
| 19:26.23 | Vailreth | how does the enemy treat the player is the enemy neutral hostile or just hostile to the player? |
| 19:26.32 | DeadZergling | hostile |
| 19:26.43 | Dustin| | ^ |
| 19:27.48 | Dustin| | You could mess with the data weapon search field shit to get the mto auto attack nearby stuff too |
| 19:28.41 | DeadZergling | I think I like that solution even better |
| 19:28.45 | DeadZergling | they only live 10-15 secs |
| 19:28.51 | DeadZergling | I just want them to always be moving |
| 19:28.57 | DeadZergling | which part do you edit for that effect? |
| 19:30.36 | Dustin| | Not sure exactly, should be something with the search fields on the weapon I think |
| 19:30.54 | DeadZergling | yea, if possible I'd want it to engage things 50-60 spaces away |
| 19:30.55 | Dustin| | What do they do currently? just sit there or what? |
| 19:31.10 | DeadZergling | if one is attacked they assist, if the marine is attacked they assist |
| 19:31.41 | Dustin| | Did u base it off the normla broodlings weapon? |
| 19:31.49 | Dustin| | that one is probably special because they are magazine units |
| 19:31.52 | DeadZergling | zergling or broodling probably |
| 19:32.09 | DeadZergling | think zerglign was teh base unit, but then i changed the model to drone or broodling |
| 19:32.40 | Dustin| | You should just need to tweak the weapon settings then, I dont htink there's any other flags on the unit to tweak the aquire range |
| 19:32.50 | Vailreth | i have to go ..later folks |
| 19:32.56 | DeadZergling | see you around Vailreth |
| 19:32.59 | Dustin| | Later Vailreth |
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| 19:42.03 | DeadZergling | other than that, I KNOW I should let them choose next level, and they walk to a door to choose it |
| 19:42.26 | DeadZergling | but just sounds so painful to do |
| 19:42.35 | DeadZergling | so many things could go wrong there |
| 19:42.37 | Dustin| | How so? |
| 19:43.00 | DeadZergling | would mean I have to keep track of the stage design |
| 19:43.13 | DeadZergling | which doors lead somewhere, which don't |
| 19:43.19 | DeadZergling | handling split votes |
| 19:43.42 | Dustin| | That's not hard, I setup a procedural design for that specific thing for my real smash tv map |
| 19:47.16 | Dustin| | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/TestMapGif.gif |
| 19:50.10 | DeadZergling | yea, I know it isn't the hardest thing on earth to make, but the possibility for errors/problems |
| 19:50.14 | DeadZergling | is so freaking high |
| 19:50.26 | Dustin| | Depends on how you code it :P |
| 19:50.36 | DeadZergling | so freaking freaking high then |
| 19:50.48 | Dustin| | lol |
| 19:51.43 | DeadZergling | Like I was thinking of doing a 2d array, all with either values or emptiness |
| 19:51.56 | DeadZergling | emptiness meaning, can't go that way |
| 19:52.27 | DeadZergling | then having a simple 4 piece array to keep track of what their choices are |
| 19:53.09 | DeadZergling | then some sort of voting system |
| 19:53.42 | A1win | DeadZergling, look I made capture zones prettier :O http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a134/SC2%202014-05-05%2022-52-59-19.jpg |
| 19:53.44 | DeadZergling | based off of where the players decide to go, and a random of sorts occuring if there are ties |
| 19:53.57 | DeadZergling | to just decide for them |
| 19:54.19 | DeadZergling | lol, what am I looking at A1win |
| 19:54.30 | DeadZergling | what the hell is a capture zone |
| 19:54.34 | A1win | O.o |
| 19:54.44 | A1win | like a capture point, but larger |
| 19:55.14 | A1win | a zone that can be captured |
| 19:55.40 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, shifting from DM ? |
| 19:55.47 | A1win | yeah |
| 19:55.52 | A1win | it was boring |
| 19:57.08 | DeadZergling | well, understandable, but just don't shift from boring to confusing as hell, lol |
| 19:57.25 | A1win | what's so confusing about area capture? |
| 19:58.06 | DeadZergling | well with a decent tutorial, hopefully nothing |
| 19:58.14 | A1win | why do you even need a tutorial :P |
| 19:58.50 | A1win | stay inside area to gain influence (stars), influence gives points, first team to 300 points wins |
| 19:58.54 | DeadZergling | to explain the weird stars over the glowy blobs |
| 19:59.23 | A1win | should be pretty easy to figure it out after a bit of playing |
| 19:59.46 | A1win | when you notice that the stars start to turn your team's color when your team has ships in the zone |
| 19:59.53 | DeadZergling | indeed, but a quick description/tutorial could remove even that |
| 20:00.05 | Dustin| | DeadZergling, that's how I did it |
| 20:00.15 | A1win | no one reads descriptions |
| 20:00.23 | DeadZergling | just honestly for me, I'd try to fly AWAY from glowy blobs |
| 20:00.28 | DeadZergling | I don't trust them |
| 20:01.03 | A1win | but yeah some kind of a comic strip that explains the game mode might be nice |
| 20:01.11 | A1win | can display it while the player is dead |
| 20:01.11 | DeadZergling | I'm not saying write a paragraph or something |
| 20:01.24 | Dustin| | I have a record array 2D, then I can do stuff like Map[X][Y].Blocked = True, or Map[X][Y].SpawnRate=3 etcetc |
| 20:01.35 | DeadZergling | more, a nice giant picture explaining it real quick |
| 20:01.47 | Dustin| | Then when the game ends I just run a quick function to check each room adjacent ot my current room and see if it's blocked/wahtever else |
| 20:01.56 | A1win | but when you know that the game mode is area capture, you'll start to look for areas to capture |
| 20:02.01 | A1win | and they are easy to spot |
| 20:02.02 | DeadZergling | with just a few words |
| 20:02.47 | DeadZergling | I finally got most the bugs worked out in my hold down to shoot system too |
| 20:02.52 | DeadZergling | it was doing some, interesting things, lol |
| 20:03.29 | DeadZergling | is there a way to have action definition variables by the way? |
| 20:03.37 | A1win | ? O.o |
| 20:03.37 | DeadZergling | that would make my life a lot easier |
| 20:03.59 | A1win | you mean like function references? :P |
| 20:04.04 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 20:04.09 | A1win | no |
| 20:04.33 | DeadZergling | welp, some string or int value and a fucking ugly switch statement it is! |
| 20:04.37 | Dustin| | You want to call an Action from a stored varible? |
| 20:05.06 | Dustin| | Like RunTrigger(Room[X][Y].StoredAction) |
| 20:05.29 | Dustin| | Ya that wont work, but you can call functions by name |
| 20:05.38 | DeadZergling | yea, just thought it'd be nice to be able to store the action definitions that make the stages in a variable |
| 20:05.42 | A1win | you can? |
| 20:05.46 | Dustin| | So you can assign a name to a variable and call it by that I think |
| 20:05.59 | Dustin| | Im pretty sure I remember seeing that as an option |
| 20:06.03 | A1win | well then I change my answer from no to yes :P |
| 20:06.10 | A1win | but I haven't seen it |
| 20:06.17 | Dustin| | Ima double check it |
| 20:07.11 | A1win | well there's Send Generic Event |
| 20:07.15 | A1win | you could use that o: |
| 20:07.44 | A1win | and use triggers instead of action definitions |
| 20:08.37 | A1win | Send Generic Event (Room[X][Y].StoredEventString) -> event: Generic Event (string) |
| 20:09.19 | A1win | that is, if you don't mind the extra threads that they create |
| 20:09.34 | Dustin| | Nm, that was Preset -> Trigger |
| 20:09.45 | Dustin| | So you'd have to make some Presets with the trigger name |
| 20:09.50 | Dustin| | Or some shit |
| 20:09.59 | A1win | generic event should do nicely |
| 20:10.20 | A1win | though it can't accept parameters |
| 20:14.28 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, gonna have to spend more time on level composition than I was previously dreading.... |
| 20:17.46 | DeadZergling | Know what I spent like 3 hours or so doing last night Dustin? Making the little shield blink before going away, but stop blinking if they get a new shield while blinking |
| 20:21.29 | A1win | I should be making levels for my game but been procrastinating it for a couple of days D: |
| 20:21.36 | A1win | making graphics prettier instead |
| 20:23.51 | Dustin| | Lol that's how it goes DeadZergling, Gotta love polish details :P |
| 20:24.29 | Dustin| | I spent like 4 hours once making a beam green if it hits an ally and red if it hits an enemy, that was fun :P |
| 20:24.48 | A1win | joys of data editor I take it |
| 20:25.19 | A1win | though beams are tricky either way |
| 20:25.39 | Dustin| | Yeah, decided to the masachist and do it all in data :P |
| 20:25.58 | Dustin| | to do the masachist thing* |
| 20:26.04 | A1win | I still don't know why my beam's launch point has a blue tint even though I've changed all its textures red |
| 20:26.16 | A1win | maybe it has vertex coloring there or something |
| 20:27.05 | A1win | but it's barely noticable so I'll just leave it for now ;p |
| 20:27.18 | Icebane | FFUUUCK! I had no idea how retarded it REALLY was to script without a good debugger. I really didn't know much better before I learned about unity |
| 20:27.43 | A1win | hehe |
| 20:28.05 | Icebane | took me 15 mins to figure out an in-parameter was a constant instead of a variable |
| 20:28.07 | A1win | are you referring to SC2? it also has a good debugger if you turn it on |
| 20:28.18 | A1win | well, I guess not as good as unity's, haven't really used SC2's one |
| 20:30.00 | Dustin| | "good debugger" is conditional :P |
| 20:30.16 | Dustin| | I dont use that fucker cause it causes my test to run at like 5fps |
| 20:30.20 | Icebane | well I can't add watches to everything and step through the code int he same way |
| 20:30.32 | Icebane | haha same for me on the big maps once everything is running |
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| 20:30.54 | A1win | you can turn on "break on error" in options, not sure if you can insert manual break points |
| 20:31.33 | A1win | but yeah also the reason why I'm not keeping the debugger on for this map :P |
| 20:32.02 | Obscene | What you making A1win? |
| 20:32.27 | A1win | same thing as yesterday, trying to take over the world! |
| 20:32.33 | A1win | I mean, same map as for a long time |
| 20:32.40 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a134/SC2%202014-05-05%2022-52-59-19.jpg |
| 20:33.35 | A1win | had to put my unity project on hold to get this thing finished for the contest x_x |
| 20:34.38 | A1win | almost ready to publish this, as long as this game mode is fun enough |
| 20:34.53 | A1win | just needs handcrafted arena layouts and team specific respawns |
| 20:35.40 | A1win | and a new ship model to make it better fit to the "art style" |
| 20:36.11 | A1win | maybe I'll just make it a blob like it was earlier |
| 20:36.22 | A1win | like a red cell :o |
| 20:36.34 | Dustin| | Blobs are bad mkayyyy |
| 20:46.32 | Obscene | :P |
| 20:46.49 | Obscene | Looks pretty cool a1win. |
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| 21:10.16 | Bounty | woohooo |
| 21:10.21 | Bounty | Finally got my Wall design done |
| 21:10.30 | Bounty | *self high five* |
| 21:10.58 | Dustin| | What ya working on Bounty |
| 21:11.35 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfxpcqk9tp6oejj/Tessera02.mp4 |
| 21:11.42 | Bounty | thats old though but you get the idea |
| 21:16.16 | Dustin| | Ill have to check that out once I get gome |
| 21:16.18 | Dustin| | home |
| 21:18.18 | Zolden | Bounty why no youtube> |
| 21:18.33 | Bounty | not ready to show to the public yet imo |
| 21:18.36 | Bounty | just to you guys for the moment |
| 21:20.21 | A1win | you can have unlisted stuff on youtube |
| 21:20.40 | Bounty | well yeah but why bother? |
| 21:20.46 | Bounty | you don't DL the dropbox link |
| 21:20.49 | Bounty | its streamed like youtube |
| 21:23.50 | Bounty | level design will be similar to photon discs only much more customized |
| 21:23.54 | Bounty | and multiple levels |
| 21:24.30 | Bounty | and its going to first person |
| 21:25.10 | DeadZergling | Bounty, you still there? |
| 21:25.16 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:25.25 | Bounty | gonna be here till 5am tomorrow morning probably |
| 21:25.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:25.31 | DeadZergling | so wanted to discuss my size issue with you |
| 21:25.45 | DeadZergling | aka, you suggesting I scale units to be bigger |
| 21:25.53 | Bounty | I think that should be discussed with your wife bro |
| 21:25.59 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:26.04 | DeadZergling | too late, you missed your chance |
| 21:26.07 | Bounty | but yeah, what about it? |
| 21:26.09 | DeadZergling | I typed a second sentence too fast! |
| 21:26.17 | Bounty | bah |
| 21:26.27 | Bounty | I would just double everything from its current scale |
| 21:26.30 | DeadZergling | well is kind of a real paradox |
| 21:26.37 | DeadZergling | if I make them big enough, people can see them, are happy |
| 21:26.49 | DeadZergling | but, then is it too claustraphobic? |
| 21:27.05 | Bounty | Looks like you have plenty of space for a double in scale |
| 21:27.14 | DeadZergling | one of the complaints I got was the arena needs to be bigger |
| 21:27.18 | DeadZergling | so I did that |
| 21:27.42 | DeadZergling | so double everything, easy enough |
| 21:28.00 | DeadZergling | is another issue I know you can help with, but I want to discuss that when I'm at the editor |
| 21:28.14 | DeadZergling | that being, showing an actor for one player only... |
| 21:29.14 | DeadZergling | Question for anyone in the channel awake by the way, how does the UI display look in this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrLH9gBfhA |
| 21:29.32 | DeadZergling | I am fairly happy with it, but open to suggestions for improvement still |
| 21:29.55 | Bounty | Make it bigger and attach it to the upper left corner |
| 21:30.00 | Bounty | and make the dialog fullscreen |
| 21:30.08 | Bounty | so people with widescreen monitors will have it outside of the arena itself |
| 21:30.27 | Bounty | and ppl with toasters for monitors will have it slightly covering the part of the arena it does now |
| 21:31.28 | DeadZergling | bigger is a concern, as there is potentially going to be 4 of those up |
| 21:32.35 | A1win | it's a square arena, plenty of room on the sides even on 4:3 monitors |
| 21:32.48 | DeadZergling | but not sure how to to make the dialog full screen |
| 21:32.54 | DeadZergling | what does that mean? |
| 21:33.28 | A1win | I guess he just means anchor it to left instead of center ;p |
| 21:33.39 | A1win | *top |
| 21:33.46 | DeadZergling | oh, anchor to left and right, I can do that |
| 21:34.09 | A1win | what's with the weird sounds? |
| 21:34.27 | DeadZergling | which ones, most of the sounds are imported |
| 21:34.44 | A1win | the very loud pinging thing, not sure where it's from |
| 21:35.04 | DeadZergling | I do know I need to put in a pass chance on the freeze ray impact |
| 21:35.13 | DeadZergling | is deafening against zerglings |
| 21:35.55 | DeadZergling | need a better description of the weird sounds though, lol |
| 21:36.10 | A1win | :x |
| 21:36.14 | A1win | there's only one weird sound |
| 21:36.20 | A1win | that's playing like all the time |
| 21:37.05 | A1win | tank firing sound? |
| 21:37.11 | DeadZergling | you mean the blaster launch sound? or the blaster impact sound, is by far the most common |
| 21:37.25 | A1win | probably |
| 21:37.31 | A1win | doesn't sound like a firing sound at all |
| 21:37.37 | A1win | feels really out of place |
| 21:37.44 | DeadZergling | yea, tank, basic gun, and stationary turret all use that one |
| 21:38.38 | DeadZergling | so isn't overuse so much as, it just sounds bad? |
| 21:39.02 | A1win | yeah, I'd change that one ;p |
| 21:39.16 | DeadZergling | any suggestions? |
| 21:39.21 | A1win | sounds like a sound effect from some old break out game |
| 21:39.39 | A1win | nah can't remember sounds that well |
| 21:39.51 | A1win | I usually just browse the list until I find something fitting |
| 21:39.54 | DeadZergling | I was going for futuristic blaster/laser |
| 21:39.59 | DeadZergling | but not ripping off star wars... |
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| 21:55.22 | Bounty | First draft of level theme design |
| 21:55.25 | Bounty | what do you guys think? |
| 21:55.26 | Bounty | http://i60.tinypic.com/9bbyio.jpg |
| 21:56.14 | A1win | noooo what have you done :< the grid lines don't match! |
| 21:56.31 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:56.34 | Bounty | ? |
| 21:56.50 | A1win | it's making me anxious and I don't even have OCD... to my knowledge |
| 21:56.50 | Bounty | with the walls you mean? |
| 21:56.54 | A1win | yeah :P |
| 21:57.04 | Bounty | eh |
| 21:57.08 | Bounty | I guess that could be cool? |
| 21:57.38 | Bounty | the walls are made of stars =P |
| 21:57.46 | Bounty | looks very cool animated |
| 21:58.05 | Bounty | what do you think Zolden? |
| 21:58.19 | Zolden | nothing |
| 21:58.32 | Bounty | do you like it or not lol |
| 21:58.41 | Bounty | also I think you might be right A1win, since there will be a ceiling |
| 21:58.48 | Zolden | no opinion |
| 21:58.52 | Bounty | would look cool if it all matched |
| 21:59.33 | A1win | more like uncool that they don't match :P |
| 21:59.44 | A1win | it's not like people will go "wow these lines match, cool" |
| 22:00.18 | DeadZergling | Bounty, it reminds me of photon discs... |
| 22:00.40 | Bounty | well duh |
| 22:00.49 | DeadZergling | As I recall, you were aiming for it not to look like that |
| 22:00.49 | Bounty | I said it was going to look similar but different =P |
| 22:01.00 | Bounty | I did not want to use the same textures for the walls and floor |
| 22:01.13 | Bounty | so it looks much diff in terms of textures |
| 22:03.04 | Bounty | the whole grid thing I had to use lol |
| 22:03.12 | DeadZergling | it looks all right, although I'd honestly love to see something space installation or concrete bunker style |
| 22:03.20 | Bounty | Works so well for these type of games |
| 22:05.05 | DeadZergling | up to you of course, I was just hoping for something of that style, think it'd be nice to see |
| 22:05.20 | Bounty | you have plenty of that already |
| 22:05.26 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:05.46 | DeadZergling | This is true |
| 22:06.03 | DeadZergling | I'm actually really happy with how my arena looks right now |
| 22:06.16 | Bounty | it'll look even better when there are multiple levels and a ceiling etc |
| 22:06.21 | Bounty | so it feels like a box |
| 22:06.41 | Bounty | It REALLY looks like PD right now because well... this is all PD had, walls and a floor |
| 22:06.46 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:07.01 | DeadZergling | take your word for it bounty, lol |
| 22:07.14 | DeadZergling | can I bother you about showing an actor for just one player later tonight? |
| 22:10.15 | DeadZergling | Lol, it recommended I view this image based off what your image was Bounty , http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9bbyn6&s=8#.U2gMLoFdV8E |
| 22:10.39 | Bounty | interesting |
| 22:10.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:10.53 | Bounty | Use GAx4 mod DeadZergling |
| 22:11.02 | Bounty | Just give credit in your map to Renee |
| 22:11.33 | A1win | or just look at how it's done and make your own, it's pretty simple |
| 22:11.50 | Bounty | rofl |
| 22:11.52 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cIkMfO5lo8&t=4m35s |
| 22:11.55 | Bounty | someone just sent me that |
| 22:12.03 | Bounty | fucking wrecked |
| 22:12.13 | Bounty | 6:23 for the hit |
| 22:15.04 | Bounty | TINGGG |
| 22:23.36 | DeadZergling | such a silly fight |
| 22:23.52 | DeadZergling | should have just punched the red haired one in the throat until she couldn't talk no more |
| 22:24.00 | DeadZergling | not some sissy slaps/kicks |
| 22:25.07 | DeadZergling | And thus why I try to avoid fighting at all costs |
| 22:25.09 | Bounty | actually A1win there would be 1 fatal flaw with doing what you suggested |
| 22:25.12 | Bounty | would cause lag |
| 22:25.22 | Bounty | that would be a whole lot of animated walls lol |
| 22:25.40 | Bounty | well yeah DeadZergling |
| 22:25.57 | DeadZergling | I have 0 talent at play fighting |
| 22:26.03 | Bounty | Girl in pink was a moron, was ordered to leave her property and went after her lol |
| 22:26.20 | Bounty | = shovel |
| 22:26.36 | DeadZergling | yea, called a pretty stupid bluff |
| 22:26.48 | DeadZergling | I'm not leaving, you go get a weapon if you got to |
| 22:26.54 | Bounty | best part was when she realzied she was not bluffing |
| 22:26.58 | Bounty | "Oh shit!" and runs away |
| 22:26.59 | Bounty | rofl |
| 22:27.05 | DeadZergling | they always talked about why you don't pick on the little guy in the Army |
| 22:27.17 | DeadZergling | because they won't beat you up, they will shoot you, lol |
| 22:27.48 | DeadZergling | what I want to know is why they had to fight anyways |
| 22:28.30 | A1win | what I want to know is why are you watching stuff like that |
| 22:28.35 | A1win | or maybe I don't even want to know that |
| 22:28.38 | A1win | carry on |
| 22:29.23 | DeadZergling | because I am desperate to avoid thinking about how to approach my project next |
| 22:29.25 | DeadZergling | that is why |
| 22:29.45 | DeadZergling | been working too damn hard on that thing lately |
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| 22:33.22 | DeadZergling | yet more reasons why I must avoid fighting |
| 22:33.37 | DeadZergling | I have a shovel in my truck at all times, but I'd probably grab the pick-axe instead... |
| 22:35.53 | DeadZergling | anyways, should discuss happier things |
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| 22:42.53 | Bounty | Better A1win? :) |
| 22:42.54 | Bounty | http://i60.tinypic.com/8wm4nr.jpg |
| 22:43.00 | Bounty | they line up now |
| 22:43.06 | Bounty | every other floor line |
| 22:48.06 | DeadZergling | bothers him half as much now? lol |
| 22:48.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:49.25 | Bounty | map design is going to be such a pita |
| 22:49.42 | Bounty | I have to get it perfectly because once I added the ceiling, it will be such a pain to fix any issues |
| 22:49.43 | Bounty | lol |
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| 23:35.36 | unclesatan | howdy fellas.. |
| 23:37.50 | DeadZergling | hello Santa Claus |
| 23:39.16 | unclesatan | lol |
| 23:39.25 | unclesatan | how goes everything with your map |
| 23:40.48 | DeadZergling | pretty good, still got a long ways to go, but posted another video last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrLH9gBfhA |
| 23:41.22 | DeadZergling | I should probably focus on Area 1 being complete looking so any who attempt to play it feel like it is an actual game and not just a demo, really |
| 23:42.29 | unclesatan | well it's looking quite polished, the collisions for everything looks spot on |
| 23:42.41 | unclesatan | very nice i'm looking forward to seeing your finished version |
| 23:43.08 | DeadZergling | it is on bnet if you want to try to break it, lol |
| 23:43.23 | DeadZergling | just does 5 stages, no player decisions at the moment |
| 23:43.58 | DeadZergling | putting in like 4-6 hours a night on this thing at least |
| 23:44.11 | DeadZergling | Thank you by the way, forgot to say that :) |
| 23:44.16 | unclesatan | i will likely take a swing at it in the next couple of days, i remember seeing this when you first talked about it on mapster but it's come quite a ways |
| 23:44.30 | unclesatan | hey no problem i know how much it means to have some interest in something you worked hard on |
| 23:44.39 | unclesatan | i like to spread the love |
| 23:45.00 | DeadZergling | My goal for this Saturday is to have Area1 actually finished, boss and all |
| 23:45.04 | DeadZergling | for a playthrough |
| 23:45.44 | DeadZergling | I forget unclesatan , what did you work on? |
| 23:46.22 | unclesatan | if you're putting in 4-6 hours a day on it you should be ready by this weekend for sure. AI is difficult though if you plan on doing a fancy AI for the boss |
| 23:46.39 | unclesatan | i've been slowly working on VGA rumble for about a year now lol, it's been a process for sure |
| 23:46.50 | DeadZergling | nothing too huge, just a few different attacks |
| 23:46.59 | DeadZergling | different looks for how much damage he has taken |
| 23:47.10 | DeadZergling | that sort of thing |
| 23:47.25 | unclesatan | ahh nice, yeah it can definitely be fun putting together AI for bosses |
| 23:47.31 | unclesatan | the issue i had was making them too hard |
| 23:47.33 | unclesatan | lol |
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| 23:47.50 | DeadZergling | I'd love to make a full on destructible boss, but that would be a few months project in itself at my current modeling level |
| 23:48.34 | unclesatan | yeah for sure, do you make models in 3DS max or do you use any sculpting programs? |
| 23:48.50 | DeadZergling | nope, I can use layers in GIMP |
| 23:48.57 | DeadZergling | that about sums up my modeling ability! |
| 23:48.59 | unclesatan | it might be easier sculpting in blender or zbrush or the like |
| 23:49.02 | unclesatan | oh xD |
| 23:49.11 | DeadZergling | yea is what i'm saying, I got no clue |
| 23:49.14 | DeadZergling | so I'd have to learn everything |
| 23:49.17 | unclesatan | ahhh |
| 23:49.43 | unclesatan | yeah it takes a good while |
| 23:49.53 | unclesatan | but it would be worth it |
| 23:50.07 | DeadZergling | maybe later, I just need to do what I know how to do |
| 23:50.14 | DeadZergling | to get my submission as good as it can be right now |
| 23:50.15 | unclesatan | especially if you make your own particles in 3DS max, a game like that would look excellent with custom particles |
| 23:50.29 | unclesatan | yeah for sure |
| 23:51.06 | unclesatan | good thing is there's plenty of useful tutorials on the things you need to know |
| 23:51.08 | DeadZergling | besides, it is surprising what you can do with attachments, resizes, and tints |
| 23:51.18 | unclesatan | that is definitely true |
| 23:51.59 | DeadZergling | I'm in a really good position for a lot of the work I need to do |
| 23:52.02 | DeadZergling | that being, monster design |
| 23:52.04 | unclesatan | blizzard has lots of resources you can tinker with and delph has lots of nice effects that he/she so honorably shares |
| 23:52.10 | DeadZergling | that is half of what I did in my RPG, lol |
| 23:52.16 | unclesatan | ahh yeah |
| 23:52.32 | unclesatan | the things you need to kill are very important indeed |
| 23:52.34 | DeadZergling | the enemies/boss design make all the difference |
| 23:52.47 | unclesatan | it does for sure |
| 23:53.03 | unclesatan | having engaging enemy design is sometimes a difficult task |
| 23:53.07 | DeadZergling | a boss you just have to see die is important, lol |
| 23:53.22 | unclesatan | hahaha |
| 23:53.46 | DeadZergling | boss i'm gonna throw in area 1 might actually be easier than one I've already designed, to be honest |
| 23:54.08 | DeadZergling | the one I made before had to a lot of crazy stuff, but it also had to be self resetting since my RPG is open |
| 23:54.40 | unclesatan | ohhh open RPGs are quite a huge project |
| 23:54.51 | DeadZergling | don't gotta tell me dude |
| 23:54.52 | unclesatan | good thing you can swap the code over |
| 23:55.06 | DeadZergling | I spent 3 years on my RPG project, lol |
| 23:55.14 | unclesatan | that does not surprise me |
| 23:55.24 | DeadZergling | it still isn't done... |
| 23:55.45 | unclesatan | haha sounds kinda like the project i'm doing.. i feel like it's gonna be another year before i actually release something even playable |
| 23:56.22 | unclesatan | what is it called? |
| 23:56.27 | DeadZergling | yea, my RPG is very playable, but I still need to get it to a certain point |
| 23:56.28 | unclesatan | i may have played it once in passing |
| 23:56.33 | DeadZergling | before I put it in the actual arcade |
| 23:56.37 | DeadZergling | Horologium RPG |
| 23:56.38 | unclesatan | ohhh |
| 23:56.48 | DeadZergling | pride thing you know, lol |
| 23:56.51 | unclesatan | of course |
| 23:56.56 | Vailreth | finally home for real |
| 23:57.04 | DeadZergling | it is in custom games atm, but not in the actual arcade |
| 23:57.22 | Ahli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAFcV7zuUDA what what what |
| 23:57.50 | DeadZergling | just look up hororpg under custom games NA, it is there |
| 23:58.02 | unclesatan | i'll definitely take a look |
| 23:58.06 | unclesatan | open RPGs were always fun |
| 23:58.20 | unclesatan | i played too many of them in sc1 haha |
| 23:58.26 | unclesatan | it'll never get old |
| 23:58.35 | DeadZergling | yea, I went a little overboard on heroes |
| 23:58.45 | unclesatan | psh |
| 23:58.52 | DeadZergling | most of them have about 20 activatable abilities |
| 23:59.29 | unclesatan | oo that's intense, i only have 5 per hero in my map and custom scripting them all can be a bit of an overload i can't even imagine 20 |
| 23:59.49 | DeadZergling | well, only 5 heroes are available as well |
