| 00:46.27 | Ahli | I've published the newest Gax mod I could find with "Gax3 - Ahli" in each region |
| 01:04.13 | DeadZergling | looking for critique on this bar, is supposed to be just a basic status bar for that Smash map |
| 01:04.26 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/324681 |
| 01:14.02 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/tv7AA.jpg made a spell, D3 damage numbers, D3 model (sword) on the ground |
| 01:20.07 | Ahli | I wish Blizzard would fix their multi region publish by loading the published window for like 10 seconds before attempting to publish the map to that region |
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| 02:08.36 | Vailreth | wow smallest chatters list i have ever seen here |
| 02:09.59 | DeadZergling | heh, you even been around much lately though? |
| 02:10.28 | Vailreth | no not really... i kinda gave up on modding. |
| 02:10.40 | Vailreth | i was on freenode and thought i would drop in |
| 02:10.59 | DeadZergling | aye, some of the peeps in here went all unity lately |
| 02:11.19 | Vailreth | i am working on a blender to unity tutorial |
| 02:11.38 | DeadZergling | here is something you can do though, tell me if this is a decent enough status bar for my project or not, lol: http://ctrlv.in/324681 |
| 02:12.38 | DeadZergling | going for really simple, as apparently going artistic bothers people |
| 02:13.19 | Vailreth | i see. with that in mind i think it looks good. |
| 02:13.54 | Vailreth | do you intend to have it team colored or a set color? |
| 02:17.05 | DeadZergling | team colored, I did it in multiple layers so I can easily adjust the colors |
| 02:19.42 | DeadZergling | how goes your blender/unity stuff btw, sorry |
| 02:20.01 | DeadZergling | just no one in here alive to say anything about that status bar, had to try while I had your attention, lol |
| 02:23.32 | DeadZergling | This is what I been up to recently, made this video about 5 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiBjIX-pWJ0 |
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| 02:32.43 | DeadZergling | oh well, guess you afk now, i'm outta here for now |
| 02:32.53 | Vailreth | sorrt |
| 02:33.04 | Vailreth | sorry working on stuff and laghting |
| 02:33.11 | Vailreth | laughing* |
| 02:33.35 | DeadZergling | oh? what are you laughing at? |
| 02:35.13 | DeadZergling | I do gotta go though, perhaps I'll hear it later :) |
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| 03:24.43 | Caz | Hey all. |
| 03:25.54 | Caz | I have a teleport ability that seems to have issues targetting the ground. Throws the error: "Must target unit".. I've gone through and set everything in the Target: Values to "Unit / Point" |
| 03:26.04 | Caz | Cant get it to let me cast on point |
| 03:26.13 | Caz | Only unit :I |
| 03:31.31 | Caz | Hmm the teleport is part of a set effect -- must be the set itself or another effect in the set forcing the unit requirement ? |
| 03:31.48 | Caz | Teleport works fine if its the only effect tied to the ability. |
| 03:34.00 | Caz | Found it :D .. the set effect had (Basic) Target: Target Location Type = Unit .... changed to = "Unit or Point" |
| 03:34.03 | Caz | works now ^___^ |
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| 05:00.36 | DeadZergling | anyone happen to know how to properly refer to a create units created unit, lol |
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| 05:46.01 | DeltaVelocity | ewhat? |
| 05:46.26 | DeadZergling | you referring to my earlier question, DeltaVelocity? |
| 05:46.36 | DeltaVelocity | yeah |
| 05:47.07 | DeadZergling | not sure that is even my problem at this point... Will explain what I want to do |
| 05:48.17 | DeadZergling | I want an ability to auto fire (that is working fine), and when it does, it starts with a create persistent with random offsets, it creates a unit at that offset, then orders the tank it came from to attack that unit with a weapon made just for the purpose of killing that unit |
| 05:48.33 | DeadZergling | is this issue basically: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/65481-need-help-making-a-tank-turret-spin/#p9 |
| 05:48.48 | DeadZergling | trying to do what soulfilcher suggested at this point |
| 05:55.06 | DeltaVelocity | ah |
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| 05:59.04 | DeadZergling | well that's odd, it is now doing that attack... sometimes... |
| 05:59.45 | DeadZergling | much better than before though, lol |
| 06:03.57 | DeadZergling | hi duckies |
| 06:04.04 | duckies | hi dz |
| 06:04.32 | DeadZergling | continuing to have issues making a tank turret spin at random targets... |
| 06:04.53 | duckies | ooh turrets~ |
| 06:05.17 | DeadZergling | damndest thing right now |
| 06:05.26 | DeadZergling | it attacks sometimes, other times not |
| 06:05.33 | duckies | I remember seeing some threads about that, they usually involved targeting dummy unit >.> |
| 06:05.51 | DeadZergling | yea im doing that now, but it isn't killing the unit every time right now |
| 06:06.38 | duckies | workarounds workarounds.. so much fun! |
| 06:08.41 | DeadZergling | i know, but the tank just shooting out of its ass does not look good at all |
| 06:12.58 | duckies | as a last resort you can always just trigger the whole damn thing :3 |
| 06:13.05 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, so making move not override previous commands fixed that for the most part |
| 06:13.26 | DeadZergling | but attack causing move to just plain stop isn't good either |
| 06:15.50 | duckies | make tanks attack a transent.. transient.. tra.. whaterwe it's called... ability |
| 06:16.06 | DeadZergling | the second one |
| 06:17.07 | duckies | it's silly how for a non-native english speaker I sometimes just don't bother to learn the meaning of words I see in editor every day :D |
| 06:17.36 | DeadZergling | unfortunately, the attack ability doesn't seem to have a transient flag |
| 06:18.08 | duckies | thus convert it to an effect-target ability |
| 06:18.16 | duckies | or just look up how phoenixes work |
| 06:18.40 | duckies | oh wait, I think they work through turrets too x_x |
| 06:24.34 | DeadZergling | well it isn't perfect, but it is much better than it was |
| 06:30.22 | DeadZergling | hurray another bug, it is saying no to attacking its own nits, bastard thing |
| 06:30.45 | DeadZergling | *own units |
| 06:33.37 | duckies | yay filters? :D |
| 06:34.01 | DeadZergling | something like that |
| 06:34.53 | DeadZergling | i just find it odd, considering there no damn filters |
| 06:35.46 | duckies | editor is spooky >.> |
| 06:41.37 | DeadZergling | editor wants to make sure I miss next map saturday |
| 06:42.50 | duckies | editor is mean <.< |
| 06:54.58 | DeadZergling | woot, I've broken it even worse than it was |
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| 07:31.51 | DeadZergling | heh, duckies, it now fires properly every time |
| 07:32.14 | DeadZergling | note to self.... vision is required to attack |
| 07:32.21 | DeadZergling | that is why it was bugging out so bad |
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| 07:59.02 | duckies | ah, the little things.. Like that one time I made a weapon that ordered unit to cast ability at target, and ability cast interrupted weapon, canceling weapons period :D |
| 07:59.34 | DeadZergling | aye, it is pretty cool now, now that I have it operational, I got it firing in half circles to cover a wide range just like in the original |
| 08:00.34 | DeadZergling | yea, I had a similar issue with BFG too |
| 08:00.45 | DeadZergling | the weapon now applies a behavior that fires the gun for me, lol |
| 08:01.02 | duckies | boom boom kaboom! Zaaapppppeewww~~~~ |
| 08:02.07 | DeadZergling | my tanks went from being cute to actually dangerous |
| 08:02.18 | DeadZergling | shoot half circles, and they can run you over as well, lol |
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| 08:05.16 | duckies | I'll see just how dangerous they are wen I play it >:D |
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| 08:06.55 | DeadZergling | aye, I'm going to shoot for by next map night US |
| 08:07.00 | DeadZergling | but no promises, lol |
| 08:07.57 | duckies | Okay, will give me some incentive at actually visit it. :3 |
| 08:10.59 | Zolden | removed mapster from browser tabs where it has been for 3 years :3 |
| 08:12.15 | Goa_ | I dont really read mapster since a long time |
| 08:13.29 | Zolden | yea mapmaking info can be gained here, and trolling threads are too poor, almost absent there |
| 08:13.52 | Goa_ | :) |
| 08:31.17 | DeadZergling | think after all this time with actors, I've actually gotten worse at them |
| 08:38.00 | DeadZergling | and apparently some people are really fucking bored: http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/man-hacks-monitor-screams-baby-girl-n91546 |
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| 10:49.41 | DeadZergling | well that does it for me for tonight, need to get some sleep before I have any more ideas on what to do before resting |
| 10:49.57 | DeadZergling | had one of those happy occasions where I accidentally made something awesome, so going with it, lol |
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| 13:12.12 | Dustin | Morning gents |
| 13:22.11 | Goa_ | fucking gay bugy heartstone |
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| 13:38.44 | TwoDie | zolden guess which part of pc overall not working anymore from power outage? |
| 13:40.51 | Zolden | hmm... nipple stimulator? |
| 13:41.06 | TwoDie | zolden CORRECT! |
| 13:42.28 | Zolden | duckies is it you I took a photo of? http://i.snag.gy/TA4yZ.jpg |
| 13:43.55 | Zolden | TwoDie do you think it's duckies? |
| 13:44.30 | Zolden | I asked him a mapmaking question, but he answered nothing, just like the real duckies |
| 13:45.38 | TwoDie | zolden, doubt it, he is fully clothsed and have a beak. |
| 13:45.46 | TwoDie | in da picture |
| 13:46.36 | Zolden | I also took this picture http://i.snag.gy/V7kiM.jpg |
| 13:46.49 | Zolden | it's like in mortal combat when reptile appears |
| 13:46.58 | Zolden | but there was no reptiles unfortunatelyu |
| 13:49.12 | duckies | stalker much, zolden? you'll never find me, not before it's too late |
| 13:49.21 | duckies | quacks maliciously |
| 13:49.53 | Zolden | I think every duck is duckies, like agent in matrix |
| 13:52.05 | duckies | yes, every duck might be duck, so it's wise of you to be like you. Also, cool nightmare trees. though they're less night-marish now that they're so full of green |
| 13:54.59 | duckies | camuflauges into a tree |
| 13:55.06 | Zolden | they will even less nightmarish when they develop white flowers in a few days |
| 13:55.37 | TreeckyTheTree | nobody will suspect anything! |
| 13:56.06 | TreeckyTheTree | flaps his branches |
| 13:59.11 | Zolden | pees on a random tree |
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| 14:19.47 | TwoDie | next time tree will pee on u! |
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| 14:43.25 | RooKz | I've made a dummy ability that targets a point and a trigger is what creates the effects of the ability, but it requires that I target a unit and I can't find anything anywhere that has it require it targets a unit; help? |
| 14:44.56 | RooKz | the effect - target ability is very similar to the default, so all I need is a simple explanation of how you get from target unit to target point from the default |
| 14:50.13 | Dustin | find the effects target option in data |
| 14:50.24 | Dustin | You can pick, Unit, Point, Unit/Point |
| 14:58.48 | RooKz | I can't find effects target |
| 14:58.53 | RooKz | or target or effects |
| 14:59.15 | RooKz | or at least, nothing that allows you to pick unit or point |
| 15:00.14 | RooKz | ahah! |
| 15:00.33 | RooKz | I see, you have to attach an effect to it and the effect needs to set the target |
| 15:00.45 | RooKz | that's really odd |
| 15:05.36 | RooKz | thanks |
| 15:16.11 | TwoDie | cute russians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoNDLAiESN0 |
| 15:48.18 | Ahli | someone has "core out of memory" error in my map >_> |
| 15:48.39 | Ahli | so, what exactly is too much in my map? |
| 15:53.14 | Zolden | too much core? |
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| 15:59.50 | Ahli | I've crashed sc2 without error reporter :) |
| 16:02.19 | Zolden | because it wasn't error related crash, just normal working |
| 16:02.43 | Zolden | there's native_crash() function |
| 16:02.58 | Ahli | :D |
| 16:03.43 | Ahli | so, it seems that ordering a unit to interact with a unit whose actor is hidden f*cks it up... or gax3 added a weird problem to my map |
| 16:05.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Delphinium (jifengxian@60.166.101.120) |
| 16:06.17 | Zolden | Delphinium hey, I saw chinese today! |
| 16:06.31 | Zolden | they were talking cute chinese language |
| 16:07.30 | Delphinium | like "good good study, day day up"? |
| 16:08.33 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/49/135/219.2609.gif |
| 16:08.42 | Zolden | rather like something like birds |
| 16:08.43 | Delphinium | watch this~ |
| 16:09.18 | Zolden | can it do the same with its balls? |
| 16:10.10 | Delphinium | If it has one |
| 16:10.12 | Delphinium | Maybe |
| 16:10.58 | Delphinium | There is a kind of Chinese Konfu that teaches man to do that too. |
| 16:12.29 | Delphinium | I meant what zolden said, not the eyes |
| 16:12.30 | Zolden | it's actualy strange: why other organs are hidden inside body, and balls are outside |
| 16:12.37 | Zolden | why Nature did it |
| 16:12.56 | Zolden | looks like trolling |
| 16:13.13 | Zolden | maybe aliens visited earth and edited dna |
| 16:13.29 | Delphinium | to cool down the spermatogonium. |
| 16:14.01 | Zolden | why cooling it down? why all body is ok about 36.6'? |
| 16:14.21 | Delphinium | Anyway if you look at them clearly, you can see the skin wrinkled. |
| 16:14.50 | Delphinium | Which is also help to cool down the orchiss |
| 16:14.54 | Zolden | yes, i believe it's for cooling |
| 16:15.04 | Zolden | but why cooling is required |
| 16:15.34 | Merc | gotta stay fresh man |
| 16:15.46 | Delphinium | Because the sperms are very fragile. |
| 16:16.00 | Merc | sperms are very fragile indeed |
| 16:16.15 | Merc | let's put them in a very exposed area |
| 16:16.34 | Delphinium | lower temperature is helpful to keep lower unfavourable mutations and keep them alive. |
| 16:16.44 | Merc | imagine our ancient forefathers running through the woods |
| 16:17.08 | Merc | dude in front bends a branch forward while running |
| 16:17.16 | Merc | lets it go like a whip to the next guy |
| 16:17.25 | Merc | and thus the loincloth was invented 5 minutes later |
| 16:17.33 | Delphinium | But still, the orchis has the most higher speed of mutation in human body. |
| 16:17.59 | Merc | mutation is good though, that's how we get super powers |
| 16:18.39 | Merc | that's how white people became white |
| 16:19.15 | Merc | but then again that's also how we got gingers |
| 16:19.47 | Delphinium | Yeah. and we lost most of our hair. |
| 16:20.04 | Merc | I wonder why |
| 16:20.22 | Delphinium | someone goes further like Dustin Browder, he just lost all the hair. |
| 16:20.29 | Merc | he has mutated |
| 16:20.31 | Merc | clearly |
| 16:20.38 | Zolden | because haired tits aren't sexy |
| 16:20.54 | Merc | monkies dont have hairy tits though |
| 16:21.02 | Merc | google monkey tits and see for yourself |
| 16:21.09 | Zolden | lol |
| 16:21.21 | Merc | almost got you to do it didnt I |
| 16:21.28 | Zolden | googles monkey tits and trying to noot look weired |
| 16:21.36 | Simca | terrible |
| 16:21.45 | Merc | that's gonna look great in your search history |
| 16:21.55 | Delphinium | That's why monks from shaolin temple is so powerful |
| 16:22.01 | Ahli | NSA disapproves |
| 16:22.11 | Delphinium | the hair is useless and only harm to you |
| 16:22.14 | Merc | every time you start searching something starting with "mon-" it's gonna say "monkey tits" |
| 16:22.21 | Delphinium | So let's cut them all! |
| 16:22.46 | Merc | I shaved my ass once. Big mistake. |
| 16:23.33 | Merc | and there's the awkward silence |
| 16:23.38 | Merc | dont act like you havent done it yourself |
| 16:23.40 | Zolden | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQOv6CItuU |
| 16:25.17 | Merc | damn |
| 16:25.51 | Merc | how the hell was this under related videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxgLqf15-pY |
| 16:25.52 | Delphinium | I wish I could forget what I have heared. |
| 16:25.59 | Merc | that guy is a goddamn beast |
| 16:27.21 | Zolden | seen "SkyNet" wifi spot today |
| 16:27.26 | Zolden | we all fucked |
| 16:28.54 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8smax.jpg |
| 16:29.19 | Delphinium | At least we can hind in the mud holes. |
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| 16:35.04 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/49/134/1j23.gif |
| 16:36.04 | Delphinium | I like that mudskipper fish so much, why? |
| 16:37.11 | Zolden | your model? how many polygons? |
| 16:41.43 | Delphinium | 3000 maybe |
| 16:43.07 | Zolden | sad it's not spaceship |
| 16:43.20 | Zolden | i'd use some spaceships in my unity game |
| 16:43.36 | Merc | flatten a torus |
| 16:43.41 | Merc | put a sphere in the middle |
| 16:43.46 | Merc | = spaceship |
| 16:43.53 | Delphinium | why don't we make a spaceship like mudskipper? |
| 16:44.13 | Zolden | mudskipper itself look like spaceship |
| 16:44.44 | Delphinium | So they are spaceships which live in the mud holes. |
| 16:46.22 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8sneV.jpg |
| 16:58.09 | Delphinium | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNw5oHElwgo |
| 17:00.26 | Ahli | oh god, I believe the crash I'm experiencing might be a sc2 pathfinding problem |
| 17:04.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (Zandose@24-246-78-228.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 17:04.35 | Zandose | Hello all |
| 17:06.46 | Zandose | as always, the expected welcome ;) |
| 17:07.40 | Ahli | hello |
| 17:07.47 | Zandose | hi :) |
| 17:07.59 | Zandose | i know someone is always listening |
| 17:08.44 | Ahli | can I request money from you for every hour I'm listening? |
| 17:08.45 | Zandose | may i pose a question, of which you may not know the answer? |
| 17:09.00 | Ahli | 42 |
| 17:09.06 | Zandose | what country are you from and whats the minimun wage? |
| 17:09.37 | Zandose | looks to "outsourcing" |
| 17:09.56 | Zandose | and i already know its 42 |
| 17:10.02 | Zandose | i dont want the answer |
| 17:10.09 | Zandose | its the question that matters |
| 17:11.02 | Zandose | im just trying to figure out which sub-forum to post in. i want a partner or two to help me with my map. |
| 17:11.56 | Zandose | not sure if i should use general, player zone, etc |
| 17:12.16 | Zandose | *mods dont like posts in the wrong forums... |
| 17:12.40 | Zandose | theirs also proejct workplace |
| 17:12.51 | Zandose | how much will that cost me? |
| 17:14.15 | Ahli | Germany, hair cutting: 6,50ยค per hour |
| 17:15.24 | Zandose | so $5.08 canadian. very good rate |
| 17:15.43 | Zandose | but isnt that minimun wage plus comission? |
| 17:15.56 | Zandose | forgot it, this is getting too costly |
| 17:16.28 | Zandose | development of the map core system is pretty good |
| 17:16.51 | RooKz | I thought there was a team recruitment subforum |
| 17:17.02 | Zandose | .... brb |
| 17:17.40 | Zandose | see! thats why i need help, im too stupid to see that right at the top |
| 17:17.44 | Zandose | lol |
| 17:17.56 | Ahli | also, hair cutting in east Germany and/or Berlin... West Germany: higher... |
| 17:17.57 | RooKz | you need a team to help you find team recruitment? |
| 17:18.07 | Zandose | yes, yes i do... |
| 17:18.19 | Zandose | appearantly |
| 17:19.15 | RooKz | you're a shapeshifter? (appear...antly...like an ant...appearing...) |
| 17:19.43 | Zandose | I also can't spell |
| 17:20.04 | RooKz | I'm not a wizard either...spelling... |
| 17:20.38 | RooKz | I'm also sometimes a bit of a troll, sorry... |
| 17:20.53 | Zandose | np |
| 17:21.06 | Zandose | trolls serve their purpose |
| 17:21.34 | RooKz | I seem to be a shapeshifter too...I don't usually joke around like that.. |
| 17:22.48 | RooKz | dude...blizz...they disabled all of battlenet since hours ago and it's going to stay down for nearly another hour |
| 17:22.58 | Ahli | use EU |
| 17:23.15 | Zandose | the update... to say 3am to 11am but that they mean is 3am to idk |
| 17:23.30 | Zandose | the update... they say 3am to 11am but that they mean is 3am to idk |
| 17:23.36 | Zandose | err |
| 17:23.46 | Zandose | the update... they say 3am to 11am but what they mean is 3am to idk |
| 17:24.42 | RooKz | the update...they say 3am to 11am but what they really mean is 3am to soon-ish TM |
| 17:25.20 | Zandose | i will not take offense at that |
| 17:26.34 | Dustin | Fuuuuu, serve didnt save my shit and I lost all my equipment definitions |
| 17:27.07 | RooKz | NNNOOOOOOAAoooooaaoooooo! |
| 17:27.39 | RooKz | Saving SUCKS! |
| 17:28.59 | pirate | is it possible to dynamically alter SOp local offset? |
| 17:29.13 | pirate | catalog is no go |
| 17:30.23 | Ahli | dustin, what the hell are you working on? |
| 17:31.25 | Zandose | i believe it can be done in triggers but my last attempt was a failure |
| 17:32.03 | pirate | right, most data fields can be altered using CatalogFieldSet but LocalOffset is not one of them |
| 17:32.35 | Dustin | My Ruby IRC bot plugin |
| 17:33.39 | Zandose | use action messages |
| 17:33.55 | Zandose | use actor messages |
| 17:34.02 | Zandose | Actor - Send message "HostSetOffset ::Host ::Host 3.000000,0.000000,0.000000" to actor A |
| 17:34.12 | Zandose | doesnt work for me though |
| 17:36.33 | Ahli | soooo, walk into a cliff in my map => crash |
| 17:41.02 | Dustin | This is pissing me off, it saves but doesnt put anyhting in the fyucking file |
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| 17:45.11 | hobbidude | its not possible to which race ui mid game via triggers is it? |
| 17:48.49 | Vailreth | i dont think so.. |
| 17:48.50 | Ahli | what do you consider to belong to race UI? |
| 17:49.30 | Ahli | models, announcer, textures, text styles, colors? |
| 17:49.48 | pirate | I think he's talking about the command card / unit status / minimap stuff |
| 17:50.04 | Ahli | well, most aspects can't be changed |
| 17:50.35 | Ahli | race models aren't such a big problem actually... you can hide them and display images of the default UI instead... it doesn't animate, but it would work, too |
| 17:50.47 | Ahli | but you can't alter the styles used, for example, the style in the unit name |
| 17:50.51 | Ahli | which defines color |
| 17:50.57 | hobbidude | i mean what pirate said |
| 17:51.10 | Ahli | command card, no |
| 17:51.27 | hobbidude | what about the frame around it all? |
| 17:51.46 | hobbidude | you know how each race has their own style of ui |
| 17:55.20 | hobbidude | actually does anyone know how to modify tooltips themselves |
| 17:55.37 | hobbidude | like not the text |
| 17:55.43 | hobbidude | the actual tag |
| 17:55.57 | Merc | hobbidude: qxc did it once with a build order map |
| 17:56.06 | Merc | you could switch races and start over with hotkeys |
| 17:56.31 | pirate | should be possible with layout files |
| 17:56.38 | Ahli | hmm, I need to verify it, but revealing a region outside the map bounds might crash sc2 |
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| 18:06.06 | Merc | quack |
| 18:06.16 | duckies | quack! |
| 18:06.46 | duckies | rolls over and shapeshifts into merc |
| 18:06.51 | Merc | uh oh |
| 18:07.06 | Merc|2 | what'cha say now? |
| 18:07.28 | Merc|2 | begins to vigorosly mapmake |
| 18:07.38 | Merc | already made more maps than me |
| 18:07.40 | Merc | damn |
| 18:07.52 | Merc | Merc 2.0 is scary |
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| 18:21.15 | Merc|2 | spends every breath working on the map, finishes and publishes it, creates new deviations from gained experience, eventually creates a new master piece that gets acknowledged as the new genre-defining phenomena which earns him glory, women and unseen riches. Uses his assets to sponsor space exploration programs, accelerates humanitys progress, travels to alien worlds in search of inspiration. |
| 18:21.31 | philip | Hi everyone. Is anyone having trouble uploading files to Battle.net right now? |
| 18:21.39 | Merc | holy shit that aint bad |
| 18:21.44 | Merc | I'm proud |
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| 18:22.04 | Merc | battle.net is having issues according to their news |
| 18:22.45 | philip | Thanks. I know they were doing maintenance today but I seemed to be able to log into the game just fine, so I wasn't sure if uploading problems were on my end or theirs. |
| 18:23.11 | Merc | their network providers are being ddosed or something |
| 18:23.17 | philip | That would explain it |
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| 18:39.59 | Zolden | visits Merc|2 in mental hospital, listens to his stories, quietly nodding |
| 18:40.02 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/12673257712#1 |
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| 18:55.46 | DeadZergling | Hey Zolden, you there? I know I can count on you for viciously honest gui critique, I made this up last night to display info in my smash tv mod: http://ctrlv.in/325027 |
| 18:59.30 | Merc|2 | yes, it's very win2000-like, I'm sure zolden would love it :D |
| 19:00.46 | DeadZergling | was just going for really simple so no distractions, barring the horrible text alignment, anything else that could be better? The 3 bars at the bottom are the health bars by the way. |
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| 19:02.23 | Merc|2 | I'd say I need to see it in context, my issue with self-made UIs like that is that they stand out too much in game |
| 19:02.55 | Merc|2 | morphs back into |
| 19:03.59 | DeadZergling | I ended up going to bed 4 am my time last night |
| 19:04.39 | DeadZergling | kept finding one more thing to make better |
| 19:04.58 | DeadZergling | the double fire by the way, went from looking good, to looking awesome |
| 19:05.01 | duckies | productive nights are awesome |
| 19:05.03 | Vailreth | hello DeadZergling and i know how that can be |
| 19:06.40 | DeadZergling | unfortunately, I made need to re-do how 6 other guns work now |
| 19:06.44 | DeadZergling | *may need |
| 19:06.46 | Vailreth | i am never writing a tutorial again |
| 19:06.50 | DeadZergling | so they all match now |
| 19:07.25 | Vailreth | oh i liked the video you linked lastnight and especially the ball of energy that fired lasers |
| 19:07.42 | Vailreth | cant think of the name off hand |
| 19:07.50 | DeadZergling | BFG |
| 19:09.26 | DeadZergling | glad you liked it, as cool as I think my guns are, I wasn't sure how others would feel about them |
| 19:10.04 | DeadZergling | I tend to get these ideas in my head about how things must be, forgetting about target audience all together |
| 19:10.26 | Merc | rules for creating any interface: "Does that need to be there, can I do without it, does it serve a purpose?" |
| 19:11.18 | DeadZergling | I agree Merc, I only put the bare minimum in my example |
| 19:11.45 | DeadZergling | name, lives left, score, current gun, ammo for that gun, and 3 health bars (I'm being nice enough to give them 3 whole HP) |
| 19:13.34 | duckies | btw, I won't have any problems with it if you assembe it from pieces of blizzards assets, they usually have nice coloring that feels just in place |
| 19:16.00 | DeadZergling | I still might, I am just also trying to go for that 80s/90s game feel |
| 19:16.02 | DeadZergling | in some ways |
| 19:19.10 | Zolden | DeadZergling i'd like to see it in game |
| 19:19.37 | DeadZergling | shooting for this na map night atm zolden |
| 19:20.26 | Zolden | i mean screenshot from game |
| 19:20.35 | Zolden | haven't runned sc2 for some time and don't plan to |
| 19:20.36 | DeadZergling | oh, not implemented yet, maybe tonight |
| 19:21.08 | DeadZergling | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't porting in dog shit, as my ideas of what a good UI are have proven a total disaster in the past |
| 19:21.58 | DeadZergling | but I knew my environment was fairly bright, so I tried to make it dark with bright text |
| 19:23.19 | Zolden | DeadZergling maybe make words darker, like 70% grey |
| 19:24.09 | Merc | DeadZergling: you have colored backgrounds and borders as well, they seem redundant |
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| 19:24.22 | Merc | how will the rest of the interface look like, is there any? |
| 19:24.39 | Merc | what are the squares below for, etc |
| 19:24.40 | DeadZergling | nope, just those 4 probably |
| 19:24.47 | DeadZergling | those squares are health bars |
| 19:25.09 | DeadZergling | no choice on color, it goes red, blue, green, purple |
| 19:25.18 | Merc | the colors could be more subtle |
| 19:25.19 | DeadZergling | (red/blue are the colors in the original, they were colored there as well) |
| 19:25.28 | Merc | like, name in a color, rest in a uniform color |
| 19:25.42 | Merc | oh right, you're recreating an old game |
| 19:26.10 | Merc | was it an old VGA game? probably had to go with that kind of interface because of restrictions then |
| 19:26.26 | DeadZergling | was for the NES and SNES |
| 19:27.01 | DeadZergling | they actually displayed lives, score, and ammo on the freaking ground |
| 19:27.10 | DeadZergling | everyone kept out of the top corners as the text got in the way, lol |
| 19:28.13 | Merc | using the interface on the environment is kinda cool |
| 19:28.35 | DeadZergling | yea, just not sure I have the tools/patience for that |
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| 19:30.03 | Bounty | peow |
| 19:30.03 | DeadZergling | hi Bommes |
| 19:30.08 | DeadZergling | Bounty, even |
| 19:30.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:30.33 | pirate | so the actor message Host Set Offset changes the offset but removes any host site ops |
| 19:30.35 | DeadZergling | yea, that's right, I'm too lazy to type the 3 first letters of your name before typing |
| 19:30.42 | pirate | you can add site ops to the message |
| 19:30.58 | pirate | but this appears to make message not work at all? |
| 19:31.55 | pirate | how can I dynamically change the local offset :/ |
| 19:33.11 | Bounty | I still can't decide between weapon variety + multiple projectile types or instagib with one single weapon |
| 19:33.18 | Bounty | like a railgun |
| 19:35.10 | DeadZergling | just don't steal my weapon design too much Bounty , lol |
| 19:35.21 | Bounty | lol yeah right |
| 19:35.25 | Bounty | in your dreams =P |
| 19:35.30 | DeadZergling | did you see the video yet? |
| 19:35.34 | Bounty | yeah |
| 19:35.48 | Merc | hey Bounty did you ever figure out your vector spaceship movement thingy |
| 19:35.51 | DeadZergling | yes, in my dreams, only those ones are known as nightmares |
| 19:35.56 | Bounty | yes Merc |
| 19:36.05 | Bounty | the code is actually shorter than WASD |
| 19:36.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:36.11 | Merc | did you flex afterwards |
| 19:36.17 | Merc | in victory |
| 19:36.20 | Bounty | yes and no |
| 19:36.41 | Bounty | No because the first version was mouse movement based and I had help with that from someone from a University |
| 19:36.53 | Bounty | Yes because I took that system and made it WASD friendly, so that was fun |
| 19:37.16 | Ahli | publishint to NA fails at 100%... -.- |
| 19:37.21 | Ahli | *publishing |
| 19:38.06 | Merc | but the flexing |
| 19:38.28 | Bounty | but now I'm back where I started sort of Merc |
| 19:38.44 | Bounty | because now I need to design a Z axis projectile system |
| 19:38.46 | Bounty | up down etc |
| 19:38.54 | Bounty | so I'm back to square one |
| 19:39.22 | Ahli | ? |
| 19:39.35 | Merc | not if you fixed your original problem |
| 19:39.47 | Bounty | What would that be? |
| 19:39.53 | Merc | not a step back, just a step to the side |
| 19:40.45 | Merc | you deserve some flexing is all I say |
| 19:41.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:41.08 | Merc | btw Ahli I heard battle.net had some issues |
| 19:41.18 | Bounty | I will flex when the game is finished and I win |
| 19:41.29 | Bounty | >.< |
| 19:41.58 | Bounty | I'll settle for 2nd place but any less than that will suck |
| 19:43.17 | Merc | gotta flex after every small victory |
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| 20:01.31 | DeadZergling | well Merc, there is my problem, I tend to go to sleep after each one of my victories |
| 20:03.01 | DeadZergling | hey Bounty , maybe you should ask this guy how to fire guns :P http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/11914931857 |
| 20:04.08 | Bounty | I would not count on it DeadZergling |
| 20:04.16 | Bounty | competition, remember? :) |
| 20:04.22 | DeadZergling | hehe yea I know, just sounds exactly like what you were describing |
| 20:04.57 | Bounty | WORST case scenario, I just have a 3D environment with multiple levels and a 2D shooting system |
| 20:05.00 | Bounty | Will still work |
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| 20:10.30 | Tomura | Oh btw Bounty would you be interested in the mod/map/assets from this? |
| 20:10.31 | Tomura | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twBY6RDReoQ |
| 20:10.35 | Tomura | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBs5gxGwoGc |
| 20:10.43 | Tomura | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivYlMdVR_Tg |
| 20:10.59 | Tomura | I'm not working on it anymore and it's just lying around on my harddrive |
| 20:11.23 | Bounty | Is this a troll or are you some sort of gift from the kids? |
| 20:11.25 | Bounty | gods* |
| 20:11.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:11.31 | DeadZergling | I see Bounty, planning to call your project doom? |
| 20:11.39 | Bounty | nah |
| 20:11.52 | Tomura | I was thinking of just releaseing it with a bit of documentation |
| 20:12.00 | Tomura | in the forum |
| 20:12.00 | Obscene | Gift from the kids? WATCHOUT PEOPLE BOUNTY IS PATROLLING THE PLAYGROUND AGAIN! |
| 20:12.05 | Obscene | that;s creey bounty |
| 20:12.13 | Bounty | This is the type of gameplay I am going for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfWhEsK1zK4 |
| 20:12.15 | Bounty | weapon wise |
| 20:12.28 | Bounty | I could definitely use the aiming system Tomura |
| 20:12.40 | Bounty | how efficient is it? |
| 20:12.44 | Bounty | online |
| 20:13.05 | Tomura | normal hitscan |
| 20:13.17 | Tomura | but you can adjust the torlerance |
| 20:13.27 | Tomura | i.e. add a bit of autoaim to it |
| 20:13.28 | Bounty | would it work with a beam? |
| 20:13.34 | Bounty | laser etc |
| 20:13.44 | Tomura | it is tied to normal sc2 effects |
| 20:14.04 | Tomura | so it tries to find the best target |
| 20:14.16 | Tomura | and fires the effet |
| 20:14.20 | Tomura | *effect |
| 20:14.28 | Bounty | So its not manual aiming? |
| 20:14.34 | Bounty | like the video I linked |
| 20:14.45 | Tomura | if no target it found it looks for ground collision |
| 20:15.05 | Tomura | and fires the effect with the location as target |
| 20:15.19 | Tomura | it's manual |
| 20:15.23 | Bounty | kk |
| 20:15.35 | Bounty | I could definitely use it then, and even if not I could probably just modify it a bit |
| 20:15.47 | Bounty | Its a better start than where I am now >.< |
| 20:15.51 | Tomura | hmm I find the latency a bit too much for MP but that's for all sc2 shooters |
| 20:15.58 | Bounty | not true |
| 20:16.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:16.45 | Bounty | not anymore at least |
| 20:17.24 | Bounty | Could you send it to me? |
| 20:17.30 | Bounty | <3 |
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| 20:25.50 | DeadZergling | ahahahahaha, you want bnet latency to do that for you Bounty ? |
| 20:26.06 | Bounty | do what for me? |
| 20:26.08 | Bounty | oh |
| 20:26.11 | Bounty | that video? |
| 20:26.17 | Bounty | Um, its entirely possible |
| 20:26.28 | Bounty | Using my method of hit detection |
| 20:26.31 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:27.04 | DeadZergling | in the words of the Smash TV announcer |
| 20:27.10 | DeadZergling | Good luck.......... You'll need it! |
| 20:27.20 | Bounty | not really |
| 20:27.23 | Bounty | its already done |
| 20:27.30 | Bounty | I've done it before, just never in any game that was public |
| 20:27.39 | DeadZergling | ....... |
| 20:28.08 | DeadZergling | done it before, just not the place it matters, lol |
| 20:28.20 | DeadZergling | anyways afk, I really do mean it when I say good luck :) |
| 20:28.32 | DeadZergling | I just don't trust this game's latency at all |
| 20:30.23 | Bounty | The visual hit might be delayed, but it will 100% register a hit if you actually make one |
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| 20:42.38 | mille25 | hi |
| 20:54.36 | pirate | ahoy |
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| 21:05.53 | Bounty | mille25 |
| 21:06.11 | Bounty | actually nvm would be too long of an answer if you had it |
| 21:06.16 | Bounty | will wait till I'm done work lol |
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| 21:41.44 | Bounty | I wonder if people will enjoy this type of gameplay on the Arcade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxK3fxmT8_Y |
| 21:48.57 | DeadZergling | sure the younger crowd might, I'm too lazy nowadays to do rail arena |
| 21:49.05 | DeadZergling | or sniper time or whatever the fuck it is called now, lol |
| 21:50.16 | mille25 | i personally love shooters, played quake 3 for a looong time, but sc2s engine is just not up to the task imo. |
| 21:50.48 | mille25 | shooters need very direct control and instant response pretty much |
| 21:51.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:51.41 | Bounty | Its not up to the task of a shooter but its up to the task of SCU? |
| 21:52.08 | mille25 | see. there is a difference between a more or less PVE rpg and a shooter |
| 21:52.15 | Bounty | Just sayin, both are with capable in the engine. I've done this like 80 times and its fine |
| 21:52.25 | mille25 | while more direct controls would be cool for scu, its not absolutly required. |
| 21:53.43 | Bounty | I have WASD, which works perfectly fine and I have a hit system for this type of weapon that is not affected by latency |
| 21:53.49 | Bounty | the visuals might be delayed slightly |
| 21:53.56 | Bounty | but it wont matter, if you hit someone it will kill them |
| 21:54.58 | Bounty | So you won't be getting robbed of kills if you actually did hit someone |
| 21:55.02 | Bounty | due to latency |
| 21:55.30 | mille25 | im not saying its impossible to create a shooter, but you will never get close to the smoothness of "real" shooters and the feels. |
| 21:55.44 | mille25 | but i probably have very high standards for shooters since im a quake maniac |
| 21:55.50 | Tomura | you can probably get some local hitscanning by reacting to selection or highlighting in sc2. But the latency beween input and movement kills it for me |
| 21:55.55 | mille25 | and quake maniacs pretty much hate all shooters except quake and ut :D |
| 21:55.58 | Bounty | I was a Quake + Unreal tournament player |
| 21:56.11 | mille25 | i even hate all the modern shooters, like bf4 and such. |
| 21:56.25 | Bounty | I just don't understand why this is still being argued about like we're still in beta |
| 21:56.26 | DeadZergling | rpg doesn't need a good ping |
| 21:56.33 | Bounty | Photon Discs runs fine |
| 21:56.41 | Bounty | Haunted Forest runs fine |
| 21:56.51 | Bounty | all of my games run fine, no complaints about lag from players |
| 21:56.55 | Tomura | fine for sc2 |
| 21:56.57 | Bounty | It was diff back in beta |
| 21:57.03 | Bounty | WASD was WAY worse |
| 21:57.12 | Bounty | THink it was like 2 second delays? |
| 21:57.45 | DeadZergling | mille25 is correct, it won't be horrible, but anyone who has quake standards will feel sluggish |
| 21:58.03 | DeadZergling | I felt like captain snail in haunted forest dude |
| 21:58.07 | Bounty | [17:55] <Bounty> I was a Quake + Unreal tournament player |
| 21:58.12 | Bounty | I have the same standards |
| 21:58.25 | DeadZergling | haunted forest's controls disagree with you |
| 21:58.37 | Bounty | because you're walking |
| 21:58.39 | Bounty | derp |
| 21:58.44 | Bounty | you can run |
| 21:59.17 | Bounty | You know what I do love about this IRC though DeadZergling? |
| 21:59.29 | DeadZergling | if there was a contest to see how much smoke one can blow up his own ass, you'd get first, second, and third Bounty :P |
| 21:59.33 | Bounty | I get shit on for the same thing for like 3 years and all it does is make my games better in the end lol |
| 21:59.38 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:59.42 | Bounty | Motivation! |
| 22:00.13 | Bounty | Not sure I follow DeadZergling |
| 22:00.26 | Bounty | Turning on me all the sudden? lol |
| 22:00.33 | Bounty | GAWD |
| 22:00.46 | DeadZergling | not really, I've often seen you do this |
| 22:01.05 | DeadZergling | just saying, no one needs to encourage you, you do it all on your own |
| 22:02.51 | DeadZergling | Is nothing wrong with being a narcissist, my dad is one as well. |
| 22:03.28 | DeadZergling | the last 4 mins of that last video you linked sucked btw |
| 22:03.41 | DeadZergling | watching one person try to find another person who is hiding to delay the inevitable, lol |
| 22:04.49 | Bounty | wait what? |
| 22:05.08 | Bounty | [17:59] <Bounty> I get shit on for the same thing for like 3 years and all it does is make my games better in the end lol [17:59] <Bounty> >.< [17:59] <Bounty> Motivation! |
| 22:05.30 | Bounty | Never said I am 100% self motivating/encouraged |
| 22:05.33 | Bounty | derpa |
| 22:06.05 | DeadZergling | how does that make you not 100 % self motivating/encouraged, you are saying people shit on you for your ideas, but you push through anyways. |
| 22:06.12 | DeadZergling | Doesn't that make you amazingly self motivating? |
| 22:07.28 | mille25 | did i already mention that the next release of scu will probably have a mozared easter egg related to the mapster thread? :D |
| 22:08.25 | DeadZergling | no, are you featuring the 3 mozareds grabbing each other in swimsuits one? |
| 22:08.37 | mille25 | eventually. |
| 22:08.40 | mille25 | it plays in a cate |
| 22:08.42 | mille25 | *cave |
| 22:08.46 | mille25 | so that one would actually make sense. |
| 22:09.49 | DeadZergling | heh, reminds me of that terrible kroods movie I saw recently |
| 22:11.15 | DeadZergling | anyways, don't take it as turning on you or anything Bounty, just stating it as I see it |
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| 22:17.25 | Bounty | It makes sense if you break it down DeadZergling |
| 22:17.49 | Bounty | Some people are motivated by positive reinforcement while others are motivated by negatives |
| 22:18.16 | mille25 | u gain get motivated by both i guess |
| 22:18.23 | mille25 | i personally always got alot of power from negative feedback |
| 22:18.28 | mille25 | and people saying i cant do certain things |
| 22:18.34 | Bounty | yeah, exactly |
| 22:18.53 | DeadZergling | so if I want to have a better chance of winning against you here, I should tell you what a fantastic job you are doing, never before has such amazing work been seen on the planet earth. They may need to expand the Nobel Prize to include SC2 modding just for our community's amazing gem, Bounty the wonderful? |
| 22:19.13 | Bounty | and with me being the third/first person shooter guy in this community, I get plenty of that >.< |
| 22:19.23 | Bounty | I don't think I would have made most of my games if I did not get shit on lol |
| 22:19.36 | Bounty | Was diff back in beta because the delay was sooooo effing bad |
| 22:19.54 | mille25 | in the end Bounty , the more risky and advanced projects will always stand out and be remembered longer than just another TD. |
| 22:20.04 | Bounty | Stop DeadZergling, you're killing my motivation |
| 22:20.08 | mille25 | no matter if they get a popularity hit or not |
| 22:20.23 | Bounty | Can't disagree with that mille25 |
| 22:20.26 | DeadZergling | I think it is attractive and wonderful Bounty, how you have a poop fetish. |
| 22:20.30 | Bounty | Hence my 3 most popular lol |
| 22:20.36 | Bounty | No surprise if you think about it |
| 22:20.43 | DeadZergling | none at all |
| 22:20.46 | DeadZergling | you do live in NJ |
| 22:20.53 | DeadZergling | makes sense to like poop |
| 22:20.58 | Bounty | word |
| 22:21.02 | pirate | is there a way to make a missile not die as soon as it impacts target? |
| 22:21.18 | DeadZergling | should be a disable suicide on impact flag/option somewhere |
| 22:21.20 | pirate | give it a short delay or something |
| 22:21.56 | pirate | I don't think there is |
| 22:21.59 | Bounty | in triggers yeah |
| 22:22.05 | Bounty | not sure about data |
| 22:22.22 | pirate | how to trigger? |
| 22:23.11 | Bounty | Unit Takes Damage from X Effect event |
| 22:23.15 | Bounty | Wait X seconds |
| 22:23.18 | Bounty | Do Y |
| 22:23.45 | pirate | how does that prevent a missile unit from dying on impact |
| 22:23.55 | Bounty | Don't kill it in data |
| 22:23.58 | Bounty | kill it in the trigger |
| 22:24.05 | Bounty | damaging unit = missile |
| 22:24.10 | pirate | how do you prevent it from dying in data |
| 22:24.21 | Bounty | no idea, its automatic? |
| 22:24.24 | pirate | yes |
| 22:24.26 | pirate | lol |
| 22:24.28 | Bounty | I use actual units as my projectiles |
| 22:24.31 | pirate | this is the entirety of the problem |
| 22:24.33 | Bounty | try that |
| 22:24.38 | Bounty | don't use missiles lol |
| 22:24.40 | Bounty | if you can |
| 22:24.42 | pirate | yeah, that would work |
| 22:25.00 | pirate | it's an invisible dummy unit anyway |
| 22:25.05 | Bounty | Ah |
| 22:25.13 | Bounty | Yeah, I always used Units as my missiles |
| 22:25.25 | Bounty | Used to use Probes actually |
| 22:25.28 | Bounty | way back in the day |
| 22:25.29 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:29.50 | Ahli | battle.net still down? |
| 22:30.03 | Ahli | or in terrible shape in NA |
| 22:37.16 | RooKz | its on |
| 22:37.45 | DeadZergling | like Donkey Kong! |
| 22:38.34 | Ahli | can't update my map |
| 22:39.30 | Zolden | update someone else's map instead |
| 22:39.48 | RooKz | I can get online and publish my stuff |
| 22:40.25 | Zolden | DeadZergling make a map "Donkey Kong vs Monkey Dong" |
| 22:46.21 | DeadZergling | Well I'm sure whatever Bounty is attempting to do will somehow turn out a glorious success, he does always find a way. |
| 22:46.33 | DeadZergling | Just hard to say what the public vote will actually swing for |
| 22:46.51 | Bounty | That was actually a deciding in factor and why I went with 1 weapon |
| 22:47.00 | Bounty | 1 weapon + fun abilities |
| 22:47.10 | Bounty | So it is more pick up and play friendly |
| 22:48.48 | Ahli | hmm, when I make the skill window UI, maybe that brings me closer finishing my map ;P |
| 22:49.14 | Bounty | Did not even know you were making anything Ahli |
| 22:49.32 | Ahli | I'm not even sure if I throw my diablo map into the contest |
| 22:49.40 | Ahli | because in theory I've no time |
| 22:50.26 | Ahli | atm I think that I just throw the skill system together (once I've it nearly done it will be fast as then I start to be motivated as f*ck) |
| 22:51.43 | Ahli | hell is still lacking dungeon models, diablo quest needs a symbol on the ground, but apart from that, the normal playthrough is done... |
| 22:54.22 | Bounty | may as well throw what you can into the contest |
| 22:54.26 | Bounty | Couldn't hurt |
| 22:54.38 | Bounty | Not much in terms of competition submitted so far lol |
| 22:55.54 | Ahli | I assume I won't be close to finishing it, but maybe I can throw something into it, even if it is just a WIP. |
| 22:55.55 | Ahli | well, only not throwing something in is worse, right? ;D |
| 22:56.33 | Bounty | I would just do w/e you can, even if it is not finished lol |
| 22:56.43 | Bounty | Could still win one of the top 3 |
| 22:57.09 | DeadZergling | i won first last contest I entered, I had to cut a couple planned things out because I ran out of time |
| 22:57.19 | DeadZergling | but still won |
| 22:57.25 | Ahli | yeah, and if I win enough to pay a flight to blizzcon + stay without me paying a lot, then I will be on blizzcon ^^ |
| 22:57.28 | Bounty | If I win I'll be shocked |
| 22:57.46 | DeadZergling | same here, at my current rate of progress |
| 22:57.51 | DeadZergling | I'm not sure I'll make it past wave 1 |
| 22:57.54 | Bounty | I still have not started |
| 22:57.56 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:57.57 | Ahli | I know that my map needs skills badly... gameplay without them is just boring and players get bored on battle.net fairly quickly |
| 22:58.06 | Ahli | atm my map lives from nostalgia quality :D |
| 22:58.18 | Bounty | Will be kinda funny if I make a game in a month that beats everyone elses |
| 22:58.30 | Bounty | But I have more time on my hands than most so I guess it could happen |
| 22:59.13 | Ahli | if it is short, easy to learn, competetive, player vs player, fun, then you might have good chances to succeed in the community votes |
| 22:59.40 | Ahli | that will mostly be hype or mass-appealing gameplay/fun |
| 22:59.59 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 23:00.01 | Ahli | bnet doesn't care how long you've spend on something... |
| 23:00.13 | Bounty | I was just talking about that, that is exactly why I switched to a single weapon game |
| 23:00.23 | Bounty | like Photon Discs |
| 23:00.38 | Bounty | and just have cool abilities to spice it up |
| 23:01.33 | Ahli | well, my map's competitor are the real diablo games and that's how many comments compare it to (even if it is kind of laughable to really compare it to a fully fleshed out game created by a whole team of payed personnel over a longer period of time) |
| 23:02.40 | DeadZergling | remake diablo, get compared to the original diablo... |
| 23:02.42 | DeadZergling | shocking! |
| 23:02.59 | Ahli | it gets compared to D3 as nobody remembers D1... the people that do, love it |
| 23:03.32 | Bounty | I'm hoping nobody will compare my game to anything lol |
| 23:03.49 | Bounty | Even though the concept of instagib is borrowed from UT and Quake |
| 23:04.28 | Ahli | yeah, but nearly every shooter has a mod for that |
| 23:04.36 | DeadZergling | just so you all know, listening to sounds under 'male grunting' does NOT make me gay |
| 23:04.54 | Ahli | even my favorite shooter has a mod that makes headshots kill people instantly... it can be fun and frustrating to play :D |
| 23:05.26 | Ahli | too much information |
| 23:05.45 | Bounty | Hopefully people enjoy it Ahli |
| 23:05.48 | Bounty | This is full instagib |
| 23:05.49 | Ahli | it's much, not many information, right? |
| 23:06.00 | DeadZergling | haha, just saying it for comical effect |
| 23:06.06 | DeadZergling | trying to find good 'hurt' noises |
| 23:06.13 | Bounty | Photon Discs was technically instagib but the projectiles had to travel |
| 23:06.16 | Bounty | this is click kill |
| 23:06.17 | Bounty | pew |
| 23:14.30 | DeadZergling | there we go, feeling much better now after listening to female grunting afterwards |
| 23:23.55 | pirate | how tall are protoss supposed to be? |
| 23:24.07 | pirate | wiki says 3m but that seems crazy |
| 23:24.41 | pirate | oh wait, meter is 3ft |
| 23:24.43 | pirate | that makes sense |
| 23:24.47 | pirate | I withdraw |
| 23:25.20 | Bounty | They sure did not look 9 feet tall in the early cinematics |
| 23:25.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:25.44 | pirate | I double it in my head and 18ft seemed silly |
| 23:25.58 | Bounty | I think Hydralisks could be that tall though |
| 23:25.58 | pirate | http://sclegacy.com/_staff/gradius/heightcomparison.jpg |
| 23:26.00 | pirate | that makes sense |
| 23:26.02 | Bounty | They were huge in the Sc1 cinematics |
| 23:26.23 | Bounty | poor guy on the right |
| 23:28.36 | Bommes | man, I'm playing way too much dota recently |
| 23:28.53 | Bommes | on a positive note though, top 200 europe leaderboard is in reach |
| 23:29.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster kritzikratzi (~kritzikra@cm244-149.liwest.at) |
| 23:29.36 | Ahli | bommes, work on your map or on the starcrafts mod (you did that one, right?) |
| 23:29.55 | Bommes | yeah.. |
| 23:29.57 | Ahli | or learn... your math! |
| 23:30.01 | Bommes | working on it |
| 23:30.13 | Bommes | tomorrow I'll import a lot of stuff actually for starcrafts |
| 23:30.37 | Ahli | and send me choclate from lindt ;) |
| 23:31.02 | Bommes | maybe you can earn your lindt chocolate if you make my math homework for me! |
| 23:31.09 | Bommes | my price is high |
| 23:31.33 | Ahli | I'm a stupid information systems student, I don't know math =/ |
| 23:31.56 | Bommes | :/ me neither |
| 23:32.04 | Bommes | actually I don't even have math this semester |
| 23:32.24 | Ahli | I'm the management whore that tells you to do something and that forces you to implement slow buggy things against your will |
| 23:32.51 | Bommes | do you know the game Risk of Rain? |
| 23:33.11 | Bommes | It was decently successful, and it was made by a 2 man team who are both studying simultaneously |
| 23:33.21 | Bommes | just found that out today while browsing their website |
| 23:33.29 | Bommes | pretty crazy amount of work, one guy did all the programming and art |
| 23:33.30 | Ahli | no |
| 23:33.37 | Bommes | the other one mainly management stuff and game design I think |
| 23:35.13 | Bommes | I feel like it's such a good time to be active in making games |
| 23:35.19 | Bommes | and I'm just sitting here playing dota for hours |
| 23:36.03 | DeadZergling | it's okay Bommes, the games out there need loyal users |
| 23:36.22 | DeadZergling | so you are supporting the games either way |
| 23:36.41 | Bommes | Dota is popular enough without me though :D |
| 23:37.00 | Bommes | such a time wasting game |
| 23:37.30 | Bounty | That is nothing Bommes |
| 23:38.20 | Bounty | The creator of Dust did the same thing |
| 23:38.25 | Bounty | all him |
| 23:38.29 | Nytemare3701 | I was instructed by my doctor to stop working for the next month or so. Apparently it's time for me to get good at ranked LoL. |
| 23:38.45 | Bommes | dust: elysian tail? yeah that one is crazy too |
| 23:38.48 | Bommes | the art is such high quality too |
| 23:38.56 | Bounty | Yeah, he did the music as well I think |
| 23:39.05 | Bommes | but I don't think he was simultaneously studying in university |
| 23:39.12 | Bounty | Eh, I think its more impressive what he did |
| 23:39.15 | Bounty | a one man army |
| 23:39.17 | Bommes | but the game is a much higher quality than risk of rain imo |
| 23:39.21 | Bommes | yeah I think so too |
| 23:39.24 | Bounty | I would love to be at that level |
| 23:39.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:39.38 | Bounty | Game Designer/Composers/Artist |
| 23:39.40 | Bounty | god damn |
| 23:39.41 | Bommes | he even programmed the whole engine I think |
| 23:39.44 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:39.46 | Bommes | and didn't use GameMaker or Unity or something like that |
| 23:39.52 | Bommes | like most other Indie devs |
| 23:40.06 | Bounty | Still would have been impressive if he used Unity though |
| 23:40.11 | Bommes | yeah |
| 23:40.20 | Bounty | He probably did it just because he could >.< |
| 23:40.23 | Bommes | the art alone is really good for 1 man, even if he had other people working on it |
| 23:40.30 | Bommes | *would have had |
| 23:40.48 | Bommes | the fact that he also did everything else is just crazy :D |
| 23:41.07 | Bounty | I think the next step would be to have all of those abilities AND be a great 3D modeler |
| 23:41.11 | Bounty | that would blow my mind |
| 23:41.14 | Bommes | I couldn't really get into the game though, I tried it |
| 23:41.17 | Bommes | wasn't that fun to me |
| 23:41.26 | Ahli | well, that game isn't 3D, but it's impressive non the less |
| 23:41.28 | Bommes | but I don't really like games like that, so it wasn't too surprising |
| 23:41.29 | Bounty | It was fun but almost no games hook me anymore |
| 23:41.34 | Bounty | I know Ahli |
| 23:41.42 | Bounty | 19:40] <Bounty> I think the next step would be to have all of those abilities AND be a great 3D modeler |
| 23:41.59 | Bounty | That would be insane if he could also be a 3D artist lol |
| 23:42.12 | Ahli | yeah, I didn't read anything as I've skimmed through TB's wtf is [the name of that game I forgot already] |
| 23:42.50 | Bounty | Surprised people still watch his videos |
| 23:43.14 | Ahli | first thing I've found with google |
| 23:43.33 | Ahli | well, he still talks about stuff, so why would peopel stop watching his videos? |
| 23:43.45 | Bommes | I like watching TB |
| 23:44.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blub\0 (~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061) |
| 23:44.30 | Bommes | because he always shows gameplay without having an annoying voice or without cutting all the scenes like crazy so you can't even tell what the game plays like |
| 23:44.47 | Bommes | like many other reviewers do |
| 23:44.49 | Ahli | and if something sucks, he tells you that (good as a developper) |
| 23:45.11 | Bommes | yeah, though often his opinions are kinda dubious :D but in general I think he has a pretty good taste |
| 23:46.06 | Ahli | hmm, I need to check if extraction has any news had in the past... months |
| 23:46.25 | Bommes | to be honest I like watching his videos about really bad games the most |
| 23:46.43 | Bommes | because these are games I would never play, but seeing them being played teaches a lot about what not to do |
| 23:47.22 | Bounty | I think that is the attitude that game developers should take Bommes |
| 23:47.35 | Bounty | In the sense that you only create what you like and/or would play. |
| 23:47.37 | Bommes | yeah, I guess ideally I would take the time and play games like that myself though |
| 23:47.55 | Bounty | Don't like it? Thats fine, just don't create that genre or play it lol |
| 23:48.07 | Bommes | yeah :) agreed |
| 23:48.26 | Bounty | I remember when I almost broke down and actually created a TD |
| 23:48.27 | Bounty | haha |
| 23:48.33 | Bounty | whew |
| 23:48.52 | Bounty | No way I could make a good TD since I really don't enjoy them. |
| 23:49.21 | Bommes | :D I still want to have proper pokemon models and make a pokemon td with that |
| 23:49.25 | Bommes | like the ones from wc3 |
| 23:49.27 | Bounty | also, ROFL http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/65972-rock-the-cabinet-bgh-pro-heros-edition/#p2 |
| 23:49.30 | Bommes | I played them quite a bit actually |
| 23:49.37 | Bommes | I don't really like the TD genre |
| 23:49.49 | Bounty | I enjoy the action hero arenas in wc3 |
| 23:50.07 | Bommes | but I like Pokemon and I think Pokemon and TD fits very well together with evolutions and all the different type paths you can go into |
| 23:50.08 | Bounty | like there were no mobs, just imbalanced as fuck items and you just kill eachother |
| 23:50.09 | Ahli | grats, he officially made SC3 |
| 23:50.19 | Bommes | haha, I remember those |
| 23:50.24 | Bounty | That thread is win IMO |
| 23:50.28 | Bounty | for so many reasons |
| 23:50.56 | Bounty | I think people forgot how fun those were Bommes, everyone wants perfect balance lol |
| 23:51.03 | Bommes | it was insane |
| 23:51.07 | Bounty | The best part about those was when you were OP |
| 23:51.17 | Bommes | where you had to buy like 100 tomes of agility to stay competitive |
| 23:51.24 | Bounty | everyone had their time to shine >.< |
| 23:51.26 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:51.29 | Bommes | and if you picked the wrong hero or played it wrong a little you were instantly fucked :D |
| 23:51.36 | Bounty | and pretty much whoever got the lead, ended up being Jesus |
| 23:51.38 | Bommes | although I guess that's true for all hero type games |
| 23:51.45 | Bommes | dota and lol are similar in that regard |
| 23:52.00 | Bommes | yeah :D especially in all the early maps |
| 23:52.03 | Bommes | usually the demon hunter |
| 23:53.12 | Bommes | but that said, the whole hero genre is really developed by now |
| 23:53.27 | Bommes | dunno if it would still be fun to play when most people who are interested in maps/games like this |
| 23:53.33 | Bommes | have played hundreds or thousands of hours of dota/lol |
| 23:54.13 | Bommes | not saying that dota/lol are the end of development in that genre, but I think the more you play games like that with long development times the less tolerant you become as a player of bad balance for example |
| 23:54.47 | Bounty | They were separate genres IMO |
| 23:54.58 | Ahli | and you expect to be able to kill every other champ with every champion |
| 23:55.00 | Bounty | one died out and one didn't (dota) |
| 23:55.02 | Bommes | mmh, maybe |
| 23:55.53 | Bommes | isn't that Multiplayer Magicka game kind of hero arena style? |
| 23:56.01 | Bommes | with some objectives like flags or something |
| 23:56.03 | Bommes | I'm not entirely sure |
| 23:56.31 | Bommes | but for me all that hero based gameplay is really similar |
| 23:56.43 | Bounty | eh |
| 23:56.45 | Bommes | like how first person shooters and third person shooters are similar |
| 23:56.54 | Bommes | it's not really the same genre |
| 23:56.57 | Bounty | I think the diff would be how the entire genre was built off of snowballing into OPness |
| 23:57.06 | Bounty | was more of a race |
| 23:58.51 | Bommes | to be honest I think something like Footman Wars or whatever it is called could be made successful outside of maps |
| 23:59.01 | Bounty | I should probably make a Bounty style version of that genre Bommes |
| 23:59.03 | Bounty | after the competition |
| 23:59.12 | Bommes | it has been popular for a really long time, similar to how tower defense games and dota style games have been successful for a long time as maps before becoming their own thing |
| 23:59.28 | Bounty | yeah, if you do it right |
| 23:59.40 | Bommes | needs some tweaks and some new ideas put into it |
