| 00:00.16 | Ahli | since you can use a variable and still fail |
| 00:00.32 | mille25 | i may have accepted "global variable", but even then i would ask for additional explanation. :D |
| 00:01.15 | DeadZergling | I was trying to save you face and move on Bounty |
| 00:01.26 | DeadZergling | but you decided to persist, lol |
| 00:01.28 | Bounty | oh w/e |
| 00:01.38 | Bounty | you coder folk and your details |
| 00:01.41 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:01.43 | Ahli | twitters new profile screen is a mess on opera :( |
| 00:05.17 | mille25 | anyways, i need to go, its late |
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| 00:24.38 | Dustin | DeadZergling, I leveled to 6 finally |
| 00:25.37 | DeadZergling | yea, but you keep losing |
| 00:25.59 | Dustin | Weapon: [Magma Mallet | DMG: 1- 6 | ELE: Fire] Armor: [Titanium Plate | ARM: 0-7 | ELE: None] |
| 00:26.04 | DeadZergling | I'm up to about level 11 on weapons so far, gonna keep going till I hit 20 |
| 00:26.16 | DeadZergling | you can deal with the armor on your own though, I'm not all that creative about armor shit |
| 00:26.17 | Dustin | Nice :D |
| 00:26.40 | DeadZergling | yea, I like your setup a lot right now |
| 00:26.56 | DeadZergling | if you implement elements, you are gonna be even weaker against me |
| 00:27.07 | Dustin | ya ... Ill wait to do that till I level |
| 00:27.11 | Ahli | ... editor crashed parsing validators |
| 00:29.19 | DeadZergling | I need to send you those weapons soon, I risk leveling soon, lol |
| 00:29.34 | Dustin | ya lol |
| 00:32.24 | DeadZergling | you'll definitely have some entertaining item names here |
| 00:32.37 | Dustin | good :D |
| 00:33.08 | DeadZergling | Example: Whizzed on Piece of Jagged Glass |
| 00:33.36 | DeadZergling | you definitely don't want to be cut by that! |
| 00:35.15 | Dustin | haha |
| 00:40.34 | DeadZergling | you gonna do armor to 20 then Dustin? |
| 00:40.44 | Dustin | yup |
| 00:41.07 | DeadZergling | good you don't care on the order for these |
| 00:41.09 | DeadZergling | as that has gone out the window, long ago |
| 00:41.28 | Dustin | ya, its all arbitrary in the grand scheme of things to be honest |
| 00:46.21 | Nytemare3701 | DZ/Dustin, are either of you familiar with the fog of war system? I have an effect I want that just isn't working the way I'd like. |
| 00:47.56 | Nytemare3701 | I'm trying to get the grey fog of war to look just like revealed territory. |
| 00:47.56 | Dustin | ive messed with it a bit, whats going on? |
| 00:48.25 | Dustin | the initial grey fog? |
| 00:48.27 | Nytemare3701 | meaning the map should go from black to revealed, and leaving the area should stop updating (just like normal FoW) but it should still look revealed. |
| 00:48.46 | Nytemare3701 | Effectively, I just want the grey mask to be a clear mask. |
| 00:49.45 | Ahli | does anyone have the most recent version of the gax mod? |
| 00:49.56 | Ahli | mapster's database is broken |
| 00:50.04 | Nytemare3701 | Ahli, not broken |
| 00:50.13 | Nytemare3701 | send me the link |
| 00:50.25 | Nytemare3701 | they just reformatted the links |
| 00:50.42 | Nytemare3701 | so things like forum.sc2mapster became media.sc2mapster, or other crap like that. |
| 00:51.01 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/gax3-starcraft-ii-editor-enchant/files/6-gax3-mod/ |
| 00:51.24 | Ahli | well, creating hundreds of dead links is kind of broken |
| 00:51.39 | Nytemare3701 | fair enough. |
| 00:53.45 | DeadZergling | what is your name on sc2mapster again Dustin ? |
| 00:53.59 | DeadZergling | probably best if i send it as a text file so the formatting doesn't get too fucked up |
| 00:54.20 | DeadZergling | I'm done up to 20, stopping there for today |
| 00:54.52 | Dustin | use a pastee |
| 00:56.14 | Dustin | https://pastee.org/ |
| 00:56.26 | DeadZergling | http://tny.cz/40460fe4 |
| 00:56.55 | Nytemare3701 | Ahli |
| 00:56.57 | Nytemare3701 | http://bbs.islga.org/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MTA3ODIyfGY0ZDg2NDNmfDEzOTg0NzM3NzB8MHwzNjc3MjU%3D |
| 00:57.12 | Nytemare3701 | Direct link to the GAx3 download from goblin |
| 00:57.51 | Dustin | http://puu.sh/8nxVF.png |
| 00:57.54 | Dustin | look what you did to me! |
| 00:58.26 | Nytemare3701 | On that note, I'm having trouble actually finding a description of GAx3. All I keep finding it "extremely powerful mod for the editor" |
| 00:58.34 | DeadZergling | yea yea, I'm helping you learn how to use commas in names in Ruby |
| 00:58.44 | DeadZergling | so you should be thanking me |
| 00:59.20 | DeadZergling | probably just \' or something right? |
| 00:59.54 | Dustin | lol ya I gotta escape them all |
| 01:00.04 | Ahli | I would need to register there to download =/ |
| 01:00.17 | Nytemare3701 | Indeed, but that is the primary source. |
| 01:00.27 | Nytemare3701 | So it would be a good thing to have. |
| 01:00.39 | DeadZergling | have to tell me the exact fix so I don't do that to you again |
| 01:01.02 | Dustin | actually this is a yaml file |
| 01:01.26 | Ahli | can you give me a link to the thread, Nytemare3701? |
| 01:01.40 | Ahli | google translate "doesn't take that sort of link" |
| 01:01.43 | Nytemare3701 | http://bbs.islga.org/read-htm-tid-367725-page-1-fpage-1.html |
| 01:01.53 | Ahli | merci |
| 01:02.20 | Dustin | '' |
| 01:02.24 | Dustin | escapes it lol |
| 01:02.36 | Ahli | "The page you requested attempted to redirect to itself, which could cause an infinite loop." |
| 01:02.42 | DeadZergling | interesting way to do it, lol |
| 01:02.55 | DeadZergling | '' |
| 01:04.38 | Ahli | so, apparently chrome > google's page's services |
| 01:05.02 | Nytemare3701 | Yeah. |
| 01:05.14 | Nytemare3701 | I use chrome by default, so mine was autotranslated |
| 01:05.18 | Nytemare3701 | didn't even think of that. |
| 01:09.18 | DeadZergling | I'll have to leave the channel soon Dustin, I'm getting close to triggering a bug |
| 01:09.31 | Dustin | getting rdy to save and relaunch the bot |
| 01:09.34 | Dustin | with up to 10 armors |
| 01:09.58 | DeadZergling | yea sorry, I just don't think in terms of armor so well |
| 01:10.18 | DeadZergling | is cloth, leather, chain, plate, then I got nothing to offer, lol |
| 01:10.37 | Dustin | ya I understand it's hard |
| 01:10.57 | DeadZergling | I could probably do weapons another 30 at least |
| 01:11.52 | DeadZergling | I just have to do a little you know, actual work at my job sometimes |
| 01:12.55 | DeadZergling | I'll probably make up 10 more Monday or something |
| 01:13.00 | Dustin | k changes made |
| 01:13.03 | Dustin | Sweet :D |
| 01:13.07 | Ahli | Nytemare3701: that's not the most recent version |
| 01:13.16 | DeadZergling | elements in yet? |
| 01:13.28 | Nytemare3701 | Sorry Ahli, did the best I could. |
| 01:13.30 | Nytemare3701 | :-P |
| 01:14.01 | Ahli | thx regardless :D |
| 01:14.53 | Ahli | so, renee's Gax on AM seems to be the newest one... |
| 01:15.51 | Dustin | https://github.com/DustinHendrickson/fight/blob/master/equipment.yml |
| 01:15.52 | Dustin | pushed |
| 01:16.14 | DeadZergling | although I imagine when you put elements in, you'll put in an option so you can turn them on/off |
| 01:16.19 | DeadZergling | based on what benefits you most :P |
| 01:17.16 | DeadZergling | Boots of Nothing huh, lol |
| 01:19.11 | Ahli | Dustin, suit! |
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| 01:26.20 | Dustin | :D |
| 01:26.21 | Dustin | Ahilt |
| 01:26.27 | Dustin | #fightbot |
| 01:26.36 | Dustin | Ahli* |
| 01:26.41 | Dustin | gtg |
| 01:26.42 | Dustin | bye |
| 01:31.40 | Ahli | bye |
| 01:36.47 | Nytemare3701 | So Dustin, no input on the Fog of War thing? |
| 01:41.29 | Nytemare3701 | I Just learned something. |
| 01:41.54 | Nytemare3701 | The Black Mask fog of war is actually the color used for the FoW in the MINIMAP. |
| 01:41.58 | Nytemare3701 | what the fuck blizzard. |
| 01:50.01 | Nytemare3701 | I just want the ingame grey mask to go away T-T |
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| 02:40.41 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 02:40.54 | ArcanePariah | Anyone doing anything crazy atm? |
| 02:41.01 | ArcanePariah | Or just trucking along? |
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| 03:04.04 | Ahli | learning to import D3 models into sc2... but that isn't crazy |
| 03:04.13 | ArcanePariah | Ahh |
| 03:04.37 | ArcanePariah | I imagine some of the RoS models will be nice additions, yes? |
| 03:04.57 | ArcanePariah | Death Maidens looked pretty awesome imo |
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| 09:17.18 | Goa_ | Fucking wifi stealing neighbors! |
| 09:20.00 | TwoDie | u are right |
| 09:20.05 | TwoDie | need to check that |
| 09:21.05 | Goa_ | :) |
| 09:21.36 | Goa_ | I was like what fuck does this computer doing in my homegroup |
| 09:21.40 | Zolden | i'd be the wifi stealing neighbor |
| 09:21.53 | Zolden | but my neighbors don't have unpassworded wifi's |
| 09:21.58 | Zolden | fucking jews |
| 09:22.18 | Goa_ | Crimea wasnt enough? you want to steal our internet too?! |
| 09:22.43 | Goa_ | Zolden you can hack most password protected wifis:D |
| 09:22.50 | Zolden | yes, give us all china's tea and all internet's porn |
| 09:23.17 | Zolden | Goa_ yea, had this idea, btu was lazy to learn |
| 09:23.32 | TwoDie | no glory hole for u zolden |
| 09:38.14 | Zolden | found a strange road in a forest: http://i.snag.gy/WSQ9J.jpg |
| 09:39.16 | Zolden | it's wavy, so it feels like riding a horse when biking on it |
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| 10:58.52 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8o2JV.gif |
| 10:58.59 | Delphinium | Finally~ |
| 11:00.13 | Delphinium | Too bad that Zolden(and his Dolphin) is not here. |
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| 11:48.35 | Bommes | Ahli, are the Gameheart STC textures available for download somewhere? Any idea? |
| 11:50.20 | Ahli | the mod is on battle.net |
| 11:52.44 | Bommes | ah, it's public? |
| 11:53.53 | TwoDie | pubic |
| 11:59.21 | Ahli | I think everything around gameheart is publicly available |
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| 12:02.43 | Zolden | A1win how's unity stuff going? |
| 12:02.49 | Zolden | Ahli how's modelling stuff going? |
| 12:02.56 | Zolden | TwoDie how's civ5 stuff going? |
| 12:03.14 | Zolden | Merc how's orcs stuff going? |
| 12:03.26 | Goa_ | Zolden how's questioning stuff going? |
| 12:03.27 | Zolden | Goa_ how's unity on new computer stuff going? |
| 12:04.05 | Ahli | didn't continue, yet... currently I'm hotfixing tiny problems in the UI (like terran supply icon being replaced with Zerg one) |
| 12:04.37 | Zolden | questioning stuff just started and probably going well since some people answered |
| 12:04.49 | Zolden | wasn't there another stuff ruining patch? |
| 12:04.53 | Goa_ | Ahli is some people? |
| 12:05.08 | Zolden | Goa_ you and Ahli are some people - great success! |
| 12:05.25 | Zolden | oh, wait, your sentence wasn't answer on my question |
| 12:05.29 | Goa_ | I didnt answer, I questioned!:D |
| 12:05.35 | Zolden | you're excluded from some people |
| 12:07.19 | Ahli | I am some people :) |
| 12:07.32 | Ahli | no I feel like I'm a weirdo |
| 12:08.16 | Zolden | formally "some people" is a valid set if it's not zero size |
| 12:08.47 | Delphinium | Zolden is online. |
| 12:09.25 | Zolden | i'm loneline |
| 12:09.38 | Zolden | no one answering my questions except some people |
| 12:10.19 | Delphinium | who is some people? |
| 12:10.22 | TwoDie | Zolden well, yesterday tried again with random nation, got venice that only gets one city and mass trading, was very boring and quite that one, then the map night came, today with spend half day with dota and had some outside digging going |
| 12:11.10 | Zolden | what's outside digging? |
| 12:11.27 | Delphinium | Anyway, nanakey and Renee are trying to teach me how to use sc2 editor. |
| 12:11.31 | Zolden | growing potatos kind of digging? |
| 12:12.02 | Delphinium | I learned faster than my little frog and nanakey's cat. |
| 12:12.08 | Zolden | Delphinium it's fun, that women teach men to code games |
| 12:12.17 | Zolden | everything is upside down in china |
| 12:12.37 | Zolden | can I see a picture of nanakey's cat? |
| 12:13.14 | Delphinium | You mean Chinese dolphins can walk through the street and cats only live in the water? |
| 12:13.33 | Delphinium | Welcome to China~~ |
| 12:14.18 | Zolden | Delphinium can you watch youtube? |
| 12:14.34 | Delphinium | Yeah~ |
| 12:14.40 | TwoDie | yard digging, |
| 12:15.06 | Zolden | Delphinium then check my unity game's alpha build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNeavcIY6y4 |
| 12:15.31 | Zolden | TwoDie yard diggind to do waht? grow potatos? |
| 12:16.53 | Delphinium | Cool |
| 12:17.50 | TwoDie | to ¨safe¨ good top ground layer from the digging that will occur in near feature for pipelines digging |
| 12:18.27 | Delphinium | Why I think that the tank looks like something "Made in USA"? |
| 12:18.29 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8o6gT.jpg |
| 12:20.38 | TwoDie | since they had time and resources for research porpuses to reflet the tank shots best? |
| 12:21.49 | Delphinium | Well, that one has a nuclear reactor inside. |
| 12:23.03 | Zolden | most of good stuff is made in usa |
| 12:23.05 | Delphinium | Yeah, sometime US army is too rich that they had found burnning taxpayers' money is every fun. |
| 12:23.11 | Zolden | they are modern Rome |
| 12:23.42 | Zolden | internet seed has been created and grown inside us army btw |
| 12:23.54 | Zolden | "arpanet" |
| 12:24.15 | Zolden | and in my game it's hovertank from ufo: enemy unknown |
| 12:24.24 | Zolden | that game was made in usa too |
| 12:24.40 | Zolden | to psychologically prepare population for alien invasion |
| 12:24.45 | Zolden | but aliens changed their plans |
| 12:25.12 | Zolden | they wanted to abduct hitler to use him in their wars against another civilization, but came too late |
| 12:25.27 | Zolden | or they did abducted it, but made it look like a suicide? |
| 12:25.50 | Zolden | maybe hitler is still alive and fighting enemies of his alien masters? |
| 12:26.09 | Zolden | or maybe he betrayed his alien masters and created his own colony and fughting the whole galaxy? |
| 12:26.27 | Zolden | maybe immortal cyborg hitler will even attack our planet again? |
| 12:26.31 | Delphinium | You see, our socialism comrade has just pointed out that USA needs an alien invasion. |
| 12:26.35 | Zolden | god, htat would be fun |
| 12:27.02 | Zolden | it's feudalism in russia, not socialism |
| 12:27.23 | Zolden | or monarchy? |
| 12:27.42 | Merc | This chat is amazingly entertaining sometimes |
| 12:27.55 | Merc | <3 |
| 12:28.59 | Zolden | unity chat is also fun, yesterday they talked about dude's gf's brother raped their mother being high on crack |
| 12:30.14 | Delphinium | Obama had said that he will help Putin if he drowned. So now we know that Obama can swim. |
| 12:31.37 | Zolden | all can swim, people who can't swim die drowned in a childhood |
| 12:31.49 | Delphinium | Well, Chinese can walk through water surface (it's real chinese kungfu) |
| 12:32.28 | Merc | btw my orcs are doing fine Zolden |
| 12:32.47 | Merc | back to buildings again now, messing with splats |
| 12:33.00 | Merc | gotta make them meld properly with the environment etc |
| 12:33.03 | Zolden | Delphinium anyone could do it with proper boots and proper training |
| 12:33.13 | Zolden | just rapid run with wider boots |
| 12:33.24 | Merc | then back to units and spell effects |
| 12:33.38 | Merc | and build the mod up from the ground after learning all those remaining basics |
| 12:34.01 | Merc | (totally gonna raid that thread of Delphinium and steal what I can) |
| 12:34.02 | Delphinium | Yeah, having a big river in front of your house will help a lot. |
| 12:34.25 | Delphinium | So Renee is very good at swim (and walk through water) |
| 12:34.29 | Zolden | Delphinium yes, this and if toilet is on the other side of river |
| 12:34.57 | Delphinium | How cruel you are! |
| 12:35.06 | Zolden | Delphinium can we see a vidoe of here running on water surface? |
| 12:36.11 | Delphinium | I don't know, the ancients can do that, but the don't have video camera. |
| 12:37.04 | Delphinium | And you just pointed out that China now is upside down. So we now walk through the streets instead. |
| 12:37.07 | Zolden | Delphinium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF-UMgdkph4 |
| 12:37.29 | Merc | afk, shopping duties with gf |
| 12:37.48 | Zolden | gf? gay friend? |
| 12:41.02 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8o7hq.jpg |
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| 12:41.45 | TwoDie | zolden sounds about right |
| 13:41.50 | Dustin | goooood morning |
| 13:42.26 | Zolden | poooop fartning |
| 13:52.58 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/8oaIp.jpg |
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| 17:28.10 | Obscene | Zolden you there? |
| 17:28.19 | Obscene | Or are you working on overthrowing your Govt again? |
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| 17:31.53 | ArcanePariah | passes Otixa a shot |
| 17:31.58 | Otixa | sup |
| 17:32.04 | Obscene | Otixa you are a modeller right? |
| 17:32.14 | Otixa | Nope, it's all lies ;p |
| 17:32.33 | pirate | I didn't get a shot.. |
| 17:32.57 | ArcanePariah | passes pirate a pint |
| 17:33.15 | pirate | party on |
| 17:33.22 | Obscene | lol, How hard is it to reduce the polygon count of a model while still keeping it moderatly decent looking? I want the polygon count reduced about 25% for about 20 models |
| 17:33.40 | Obscene | I am 99% sure that Polygon count is what is making my game lag late game lol |
| 17:34.00 | ArcanePariah | Obscene, is it lagging regardless of graphic settings? |
| 17:34.29 | Obscene | Yeah, but I have High quality models about 100-150 ODINS at a time haha |
| 17:35.04 | Obscene | I came to the conclusions that it is physically impossible to reduce lag any further without it haha |
| 17:35.07 | ArcanePariah | Well, then yes, you should make a low poly version and add it in and set the low model field in the model data. Problem solved |
| 17:35.07 | Otixa | Obscene, go in and just remove edges :P |
| 17:35.30 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming you have made as much stuff data as possible? |
| 17:35.53 | ArcanePariah | Because triggers are usually the culprit. |
| 17:36.18 | Obscene | My map is 90% data |
| 17:36.26 | Obscene | Only the UI/Evolution system is tryiggers |
| 17:36.30 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so basically no trigger. |
| 17:36.51 | ArcanePariah | Have you made as much of the UI into data as well (Templates/Hookups)? |
| 17:36.54 | Obscene | A ton of triggers actually haha, Just, it doesn't handle as much as you would think |
| 17:37.03 | Obscene | none of the UI is data |
| 17:37.40 | Obscene | There is so much data already that if I click the filter that shows them all for just the units tab my computer stalls out |
| 17:37.50 | pirate | but the activity panel of the trigger debugger is relatively low |
| 17:37.55 | ArcanePariah | Well, I would transition as much dialog creation over to data as possible, and use templates + hookups. I imagine quite a bit of the custom UI you create that is static in nature. |
| 17:38.08 | Zolden | Obscene yea |
| 17:38.10 | Zolden | hey |
| 17:38.13 | Zolden | how are you doing |
| 17:38.22 | Zolden | what's govt? |
| 17:38.27 | Obscene | Government |
| 17:38.29 | Zolden | oh, goverment |
| 17:38.32 | Obscene | Crackin at you for being ukraine |
| 17:38.41 | Zolden | i'm working on motherfucking unity game |
| 17:38.54 | Obscene | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93971126/Evo-Frenzy.rar |
| 17:38.58 | Obscene | There is my entire map |
| 17:38.59 | Obscene | lol |
| 17:39.21 | Zolden | good, i'll steal it and participate in blizz competition |
| 17:39.23 | Obscene | I started to make one Zolden.... but... I am focusing on trying to get a job and move, I might actually have something linned up right now |
| 17:39.26 | Obscene | haha |
| 17:39.36 | Obscene | I made sure EVERYONE knows who made that beautiful lagtrap |
| 17:39.56 | Obscene | Hey zolden how hard is it to reduce the polygod count of a few models? |
| 17:40.02 | Obscene | polygon* |
| 17:40.32 | Zolden | dunno, never done it |
| 17:40.58 | Zolden | guess you can't wait to check my unity game vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNeavcIY6y4 |
| 17:41.01 | Obscene | I need about 20? models polygon count reduced by about 25% |
| 17:41.04 | Obscene | some upt ot 50% |
| 17:41.09 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious Zolden, how is Unity? I've heard its nice to use, mainly has good physics and AI support, anything else particularly easy with it? |
| 17:41.29 | Obscene | is that in unity? |
| 17:41.42 | Zolden | ArcanePariah my opinion is known, I adore unity |
| 17:41.55 | Zolden | it's a gamemaking heaven |
| 17:42.03 | ArcanePariah | How so? |
| 17:42.03 | Zolden | its physics is indeed good |
| 17:42.16 | Obscene | It's really not too much worse than using the Sc2 editor to be honest. I played around with it for a few months, it's pretty nice. My problem was lack of assets though :P |
| 17:42.21 | Zolden | dunno aboput AI, I made my own |
| 17:42.30 | ArcanePariah | Yes, how hard was it to make your own? |
| 17:42.58 | Zolden | well, as hard as coding anything in C# |
| 17:43.04 | Zolden | great language |
| 17:43.22 | Zolden | with all unity api it's very easy |
| 17:43.25 | ArcanePariah | And yeah Obscene that's what really makes or breaks nearly any tool, what you get for free. In SC2 you get all the assets and a lot of stuff done for you. Less flexibility though. |
| 17:43.28 | Otixa | fuck C#, I'm coding shit in LUA atm >:C |
| 17:43.36 | Otixa | worst fucking language ever |
| 17:43.41 | Obscene | lawl |
| 17:43.41 | Zolden | I cast rays, check distances, just do anything I want in 3d world |
| 17:43.42 | Otixa | rages |
| 17:43.57 | Obscene | I had to stop with unity though :(, this computer couldn't handle it |
| 17:44.05 | Zolden | Otixa you too check the vid if you haven't, it's with sounds now |
| 17:44.08 | Obscene | Gotta wait until I can afford a nicer computer |
| 17:44.42 | Zolden | ArcanePariah there's a huge assets store full of free assets, it's bigger then sc2 assets |
| 17:44.47 | Zolden | just take and use |
| 17:44.53 | Obscene | Wait... where is that at? |
| 17:45.27 | Zolden | check stuff there assetstore.unity3d.com |
| 17:45.41 | Otixa | nice Zolden |
| 17:46.00 | Zolden | Otixa I now learned unity enough to start a real game for android |
| 17:46.09 | Zolden | actually started already |
| 17:46.11 | Otixa | neat ;D |
| 17:46.24 | Zolden | will be something like tyrian2k |
| 17:46.32 | Zolden | who likes tyrian2k kind of games |
| 17:46.36 | Zolden | everybody likes! |
| 17:46.44 | Zolden | except Goa_ |
| 17:47.16 | Zolden | but hungarians are awkward, don't even try to steal a piece of ukraine |
| 17:47.43 | Zolden | Otixa btw, how's your job search going? |
| 17:47.50 | Otixa | nergh |
| 17:48.52 | Obscene | Otixa is a hungarian? |
| 17:48.55 | Obscene | Yeah fuck that guy. |
| 17:48.56 | Obscene | lol |
| 17:49.06 | Obscene | hate hate hate |
| 17:49.27 | Otixa | wot |
| 17:49.29 | Otixa | fuck off |
| 17:49.32 | Obscene | lol |
| 17:49.33 | Otixa | I'm russian ;p |
| 17:49.37 | Obscene | I'm trying to hate on you! |
| 17:50.24 | Zolden | Obscene check my cat http://i.snag.gy/bPHB4.jpg |
| 17:50.46 | Obscene | fuck yo cat |
| 17:51.34 | Obscene | You're just mad cause I made my own pokemon http://i.imgur.com/RaR4tul.jpg |
| 17:51.44 | Obscene | Notice... it's level 100 |
| 17:51.59 | Zolden | it's fuckemon |
| 17:54.28 | Zolden | ArcanePariah when you finish with notd, check unity, you will ejaculate, but don't do it b4 you finish with notd, becasue one can't simply return to sc2 editor after getting in touch with unity |
| 17:54.48 | Otixa | fuck unity |
| 17:54.51 | Otixa | ue4 |
| 17:54.53 | Otixa | faps |
| 18:01.17 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, I'll consider it, and even then I would still go back to SC2. In any case, I won't be finished with NotD for a long time. |
| 18:01.44 | ArcanePariah | Also, I wouldn't have time to learn C#, going to be coding in C most of the summer at my internship |
| 18:02.22 | ArcanePariah | In addition to doing stuff for NotD (NOTD 2 to be precise, almost have playable version of it) |
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| 18:03.19 | ArcanePariah | One thing that makes or breaks a lot of games... does Unity have ready to roll server/netcode or do you have to do that yourself? |
| 18:05.14 | Otixa | Uh... Sorta |
| 18:05.24 | Otixa | Tho the default API blows |
| 18:05.44 | Otixa | We'll see how unity5 fares |
| 18:11.50 | Zolden | unity ppl hate networking |
| 18:11.56 | Zolden | but some of them are good of it |
| 18:13.11 | ArcanePariah | Well, if you want to make a multiplayer game, netcoding is the end all come all. No one will care how good anything else is if you lag all the time (See PoE for an example, great ideas, but the lag makes half the ideas useless in practice). |
| 18:14.04 | ArcanePariah | Arguably, the netcode should dictate the entire design of a multiplayer game, if the netcode can't handle it, cut it, regardless of how nice it is. |
| 18:19.15 | Zolden | oh, and don't worry about C#, I never learned it, only knew C++, and had lots of coding before noticed the first difference between them |
| 18:31.36 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAo5GgaJmsA |
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| 18:34.57 | Zolden | TwoDie yes, it's how people uncover nipples to get themselves some cash for a new graphic card |
| 18:39.08 | Ahli | c# is a lot like java... I didn't really notice any big differences apaart from those member variables you can easily add with their getters & setters. |
| 18:43.42 | ArcanePariah | Yes, learning the languange isn't hard, I can do that fairly quickly, but knowing the language is somewhat useless, the toolkits/libraries that come with it are often more important |
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| 18:46.56 | Ahli | those are aspects I don't know :) I've only had to code own specialized data structures or use whatever the other parts of the program used... plugin coding & creating a new application are pretty different :D |
| 18:48.39 | Merc | nice work on gameheart btw Ahli, heard you had to give it intensive care in the middle of DH |
| 18:49.07 | Zolden | what's DH? and what Ahli did? |
| 18:49.12 | Ahli | yes... and now I might end up with a night shift of reading a scientific paper because of that >_> |
| 18:49.38 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2 & the interface used |
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| 19:38.08 | IskatuMesk | So. I have a dress made out of about 6 physics objects. That's about one side of it. But yeah. If I add any other physics objects to the scene, regardless of where they are located or how big they are, all of the existing objects enter DBZ mode and flip out. |
| 19:38.09 | IskatuMesk | Any ideas? |
| 19:40.47 | IskatuMesk | And yes I tried to bake some physics animations with zero knowledge of how to do so, then I discovered the mesh needs existing animations for the physics to behave properly... which I can't do. And defeats what I'm trying to do. :( |
| 19:43.06 | IskatuMesk | Though that solution will probably work for the hair that needs to be animated, since those meshes are so simple the lack of guided motion should be irrelevant |
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| 19:59.24 | Caz | afternoon all |
| 20:01.44 | Bommes | Mesk, SC2 Physics objects? Or are you talking about something else? |
| 20:01.47 | Bommes | I can't quite follow. |
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| 20:02.35 | Caz | Getting error: Unit attempting to launch with invalid mover. -- Only movers i have chosen for the unit or the missile its firing are "Ground" on unit and "Missile Default" on the missile. |
| 20:02.53 | Caz | game freezes up when the unit attempts to fire and throws the error |
| 20:09.40 | Caz | It's kinda weird.. like it think's my unit is its own missile |
| 20:09.55 | Caz | meh idk.. still lookin at it. |
| 20:20.04 | Caz | Anyone able to check what im doing wrong here? |
| 20:20.20 | Caz | Is pretty small example.. clearly missing some basics on this. |
| 20:25.32 | IskatuMesk | sc2 physics objects, yes |
| 20:26.21 | IskatuMesk | basically, a chain of joints |
| 20:28.29 | Caz | Lol.. when the unit gets in range.. instead of firing a missile |
| 20:28.42 | Caz | he slides forward and dies as if he is the missile |
| 20:28.51 | Caz | how does that happen :s |
| 20:31.11 | Bommes | Caz, sounds like you didn't put something into the "Ammo Unit" field in your Launch Missile Effect |
| 20:31.21 | Caz | *face palm* |
| 20:31.24 | Caz | ur right |
| 20:31.37 | Caz | so it defaults to the caster ? lol |
| 20:31.50 | Bommes | Iskatu, so you created a physics model with 3DS Max and that behaves other than you expect? |
| 20:31.55 | Bommes | yeah Caz, it's actually pretty useful |
| 20:32.00 | Caz | i dont need ammo. i'll fire MYSELF ! *constructs catapult* |
| 20:32.03 | Bommes | for hook abilities etc like the viper snatch |
| 20:32.08 | Caz | i see |
| 20:32.14 | Caz | still commical to the newbie here ;p |
| 20:32.20 | IskatuMesk | basically, it behaves as I expect... until another physics object is put in the scene (I still need to add nodes to the other parts) |
| 20:32.30 | Caz | brb -- fixing that field then will see what happens =) |
| 20:32.42 | IskatuMesk | doesn't matter what that physics objects is, or even if it's active |
| 20:32.43 | Bommes | hmm, I don't really have any experience with creating custom made physics models :) So can't help there, sry |
| 20:32.52 | IskatuMesk | doesn't seem many do |
| 20:32.57 | Bommes | I just use the premade ones a lot |
| 20:33.47 | Bommes | it would actually be really nice if some people were dedicated enough to find out more about all the more specific things in the ArtTools and share their findings with the community |
| 20:34.02 | Bommes | like Turrets, all the Physics options and what limitations there are etc |
| 20:34.15 | IskatuMesk | I have been documenting a lot of bugs and small things in a private forum I may release when my research reaches its conclusion |
| 20:34.21 | Bommes | I'm sure some people already know a lot about it but I haven't really seen many people share information about it |
| 20:34.33 | IskatuMesk | but currently I am too incompetent to do anything advanced like physics-based dresses, it seems |
| 20:34.41 | IskatuMesk | well, it's like AI |
| 20:34.44 | IskatuMesk | I can't find any info about ai at all |
| 20:34.49 | IskatuMesk | all of our research is self-conducted |
| 20:34.55 | IskatuMesk | with no galaxy experience |
| 20:34.57 | IskatuMesk | so it's pretty rough |
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| 20:35.41 | IskatuMesk | https://i.imgur.com/U9VbXyL.png the mesh is very simple |
| 20:35.50 | IskatuMesk | that's when it works though |
| 20:36.08 | IskatuMesk | if I add anything, say some capsules for physics on the legs - even if they are a planet away, it causes goku to go ssj4 |
| 20:37.50 | IskatuMesk | now, if Reaktor didn't run at 0.0001fps and didn't just cause the cloth to collapse into a black hole, and if PhysX didn't rely on prebuilt animations... this wouldn't be necessary |
| 20:37.53 | Bommes | Hmm, they show as red physics objects, is that intended? I always thought blue = static, green = dynamic activated, red = dynamic deactivated |
| 20:37.55 | Bommes | or something |
| 20:38.05 | IskatuMesk | no idea |
| 20:38.07 | Bommes | actually that's just what I thought it is, I don't know at all if that's true |
| 20:38.12 | Bommes | I just know that blue = static :D |
| 20:38.18 | Caz | @Bommes - wewt, shoots projectile and kills target xD |
| 20:38.19 | IskatuMesk | I know absolutely nothing |
| 20:38.51 | IskatuMesk | In max they are set to Active Key |
| 20:38.58 | IskatuMesk | the blue one is static |
| 20:39.03 | IskatuMesk | else... weird things happen |
| 20:39.58 | Bommes | I just know that the dynamic ones switch from green to red in some animations, and red usually happens at the end of the animation |
| 20:40.08 | Bommes | maybe red means that no force acts on the physic object? mmh |
| 20:40.23 | Bommes | Cool Caz :) Keep it updated, if there is a problem just ask |
| 20:40.36 | IskatuMesk | the documentation is barebones at best, I am basically gleaming information from the extremely short ragdoll tutorial |
| 20:40.56 | Bommes | can't promise I can help or even see it, but ppl in this channel don't really mind if a lot of questions are asked |
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| 20:41.06 | Bommes | so usually if you don't get help the first time just ask again a couple of hours later or something |
| 20:41.12 | Caz | Trying to follow tutorials and not ask too many right now... i have trouble understanding things. So many links.. actors.. what an action actor even does lol |
| 20:41.22 | Bommes | yeah I can relate ;) |
| 20:41.55 | Bommes | Iskatu, yeah, I haven't even looked into all the documentation because it goes way over my 3d modelling head |
| 20:42.05 | Bommes | I just looked up how to make attachment points and hitboxes |
| 20:42.09 | IskatuMesk | once you get into it you realize they don't really explain much |
| 20:42.11 | Bommes | and that's pretty much it ;) |
| 20:42.22 | IskatuMesk | like, the animation guidelines are not guidelines, they are completely mandatory |
| 20:42.51 | IskatuMesk | and m3a's have very weird bugs with them |
| 20:42.52 | IskatuMesk | etc |
| 20:43.29 | Bommes | I really like messing around with the official models that come with the art tools though, in the examples folder |
| 20:43.44 | IskatuMesk | this model is from lineage 2 |
| 20:43.46 | Bommes | because they are fully rigged and everything, it's really fun to create animations with that because it's so easy |
| 20:43.47 | IskatuMesk | I am porting stuff basically |
| 20:43.52 | IskatuMesk | since I can't texture my own models |
| 20:44.01 | IskatuMesk | nor can I animate |
| 20:44.10 | IskatuMesk | some of them don't have animations for things like hair, skirts |
| 20:44.34 | IskatuMesk | some simple stuff I can get by without animations using PhysX simulation I think, some things I can use a ribbon for |
| 20:45.03 | IskatuMesk | anything with animations in separate files is a total nightmare I don't know how to deal with, stuff like this dress just seems impossible |
| 20:45.52 | Bommes | yeah sounds annoying :/ I don't even know how to set up ribbons for example |
| 20:46.13 | IskatuMesk | they are basically particles, I am able to make decent particles out of the box just because of my experience with sins of a solar empire |
| 20:46.29 | IskatuMesk | but all of the skills I have, writing, voice acting, particles are basically worthless |
| 20:47.37 | IskatuMesk | I could try to do the front of the dress as a ribbon but it would need to conform to the body at the spawn point |
| 20:47.42 | IskatuMesk | and I don't think ribbons can do that |
| 20:47.55 | IskatuMesk | it'd have to be pixel perfect with the vertexes to avoid seams |
| 20:48.00 | IskatuMesk | plus, I can't UV map it |
| 20:48.26 | IskatuMesk | I think I'll probably just give up though |
| 20:48.57 | Bommes | Using physics objects like that probably just doesn't work because they aren't intended to be used like that |
| 20:49.49 | Bommes | as part of an animated unit model I mean |
| 20:50.06 | Bommes | but I don't know |
| 20:50.36 | IskatuMesk | yeah they are really primitive |
| 20:50.45 | IskatuMesk | only solution I got though |
| 20:58.28 | TwoDie | game is hard |
| 21:03.26 | Zolden | monkey is jump |
| 21:10.32 | IskatuMesk | stall is man |
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| 21:38.05 | IskatuMesk | physics, man. |
| 21:38.19 | IskatuMesk | this needs some dwarf fortress !!science!! to get anywhere |
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| 22:41.23 | Bounty | pew |
| 22:41.30 | Bounty | So my composer asked me this question |
| 22:41.34 | Bounty | "how far do i need to go with a remix to make it not applicable, copywrite ideas that is" |
| 22:41.45 | Bounty | anyone happen to know? |
| 23:14.33 | Caz | Boomes - still around ? |
| 23:14.39 | Caz | Bommes * |
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| 23:19.09 | Caz | Current aoe ability is causing the model animation to play at the caster point, instead of the enemies affected. Any ideas why this may be happening? |
| 23:19.54 | Caz | Not sure which area/field controls this. |
