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| 17:12.53 | Deathbringer | Okay there seems to be a problem. http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3409 |
| 17:13.01 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.42 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3410 |
| 17:14.10 | Deathbringer | There seems to be a problem with this. |
| 17:14.43 | Deathbringer | When the unit enters the region is spawns the odin |
| 17:14.51 | Deathbringer | And marks it but then it skips to |
| 17:14.55 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3409 |
| 17:14.57 | Deathbringer | For some reason |
| 17:16.01 | Deathbringer | JademusSreg |
| 17:16.48 | turtles1 | boss = "construction defense" ? |
| 17:17.10 | Deathbringer | Yeah. |
| 17:18.01 | turtles1 | so the odin is of unit type "construction defense" ? |
| 17:18.43 | Deathbringer | I changed the name of the Odin to that. |
| 17:19.31 | turtles1 | so as soon as they enter the boss fight the "unit dies" trigger runs? |
| 17:19.47 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 17:20.14 | turtles1 | how do you know that the triggering unit = No Unit? |
| 17:20.47 | Deathbringer | I don't... |
| 17:20.51 | turtles1 | There is no reference to "triggering unit" within the function |
| 17:21.03 | turtles1 | I thought that was the problem, sorry |
| 17:21.08 | Deathbringer | Yeah, I was thinking it was a problem like that. |
| 17:21.21 | turtles1 | What do you mean by "Boss = No Unit <Unit>" then? |
| 17:21.38 | Deathbringer | Its going to set the odin as the Boss |
| 17:21.47 | Deathbringer | Right after it spawns |
| 17:23.09 | turtles1 | What is the actual sequence of events? split it up. Are you saying that spawning the odin fires the "unit dies" trigger? |
| 17:23.32 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.47 | Deathbringer | It will create the odin before this action is activated |
| 17:23.53 | Deathbringer | So then once it's marked as boss |
| 17:24.02 | Deathbringer | The Odin (Boss) dies and runs it. |
| 17:25.15 | turtles1 | I'm not sure I understand you. You are saying that the line "Set Boss = (Last created unit)" somehow kills the Odin? |
| 17:25.29 | Deathbringer | Oh no no |
| 17:25.38 | turtles1 | does the unit itself die? or does the trigger just run |
| 17:25.42 | Deathbringer | I mean that, that sets the odin = Boss |
| 17:25.54 | Deathbringer | It just runs the trigger |
| 17:26.25 | turtles1 | so the line "Set Boss = (Last created unit)" runs the trigger for "unit dies"? |
| 17:27.18 | turtles1 | if you were to put a "break for 10 seconds" before and after the "Set Boss = (Last created unit)" line then you would be sure that it is what is causing the trigger to fire |
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| 17:31.23 | Deathbringer | Okay |
| 17:31.26 | Deathbringer | The problem is that |
| 17:31.36 | Deathbringer | If anyone dies in the region I setup |
| 17:31.58 | Deathbringer | Which is Enter Boss Fight |
| 17:32.04 | Deathbringer | It runs it. |
| 17:34.38 | Deathbringer | turtles1 Know how to fix that? |
| 17:34.55 | turtles1 | Oh, why didn't you just say so? |
| 17:34.57 | turtles1 | no idea |
| 17:35.04 | turtles1 | but... |
| 17:35.25 | turtles1 | I've never seen anyone use "unit X dies" trigger |
| 17:35.39 | turtles1 | so maybe it's got some kind of wierd behaviour |
| 17:36.07 | turtles1 | what happenes if you use "any unit dies" and then test in the trigger to see what the triggering unit was? |
| 17:36.38 | Deathbringer | Oh like use the conditions? |
| 17:36.53 | turtles1 | Yes. |
| 17:37.04 | turtles1 | what does it say the value of triggering unit is in the trigger at the moment? |
| 17:37.57 | turtles1 | if you stick in the line code "debug(name of unit type (triggering unit))" into the trigger what does it output? |
| 17:38.12 | Deathbringer | Like this? |
| 17:38.27 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3411 |
| 17:38.58 | turtles1 | ummm, that could work. |
| 17:39.03 | Deathbringer | Lets see. |
| 17:39.10 | turtles1 | But I meant "triggering unit == boss" |
| 17:42.16 | Repo | New map: Vhun Wilderness Preserve - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/vhun-wilderness-preserve/ |
| 17:42.16 | Repo | New map: Barrowfen Marsh - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/barrowfen-marsh/ |
| 17:42.40 | Deathbringer | Nopoe it didn't work. |
| 17:42.41 | Deathbringer | Nope* |
| 17:42.51 | Deathbringer | Oh. |
| 17:43.21 | Deathbringer | Like this? (Triggering unit) == Boss |
| 17:44.51 | Deathbringer | turtles1 |
| 17:45.01 | turtles1 | That should work. but your last function should have worked as well |
| 17:45.20 | turtles1 | I'm guessing there is some other code which is messing with the variable boss? |
| 17:45.21 | Deathbringer | Well the last function didn't. |
| 17:45.25 | Deathbringer | I think |
| 17:45.31 | Deathbringer | Is it No Unit? |
| 17:45.53 | turtles1 | Is what "no unit"? |
| 17:46.02 | Deathbringer | No Unit? |
| 17:46.02 | turtles1 | you mean is boss no unit? |
| 17:46.08 | Deathbringer | No |
| 17:46.14 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.18 | Deathbringer | It's a preset |
| 17:46.35 | Deathbringer | Unless it has to be any unit? |
| 17:47.03 | turtles1 | the trigger should be "any unit dies" |
| 17:47.22 | turtles1 | and you should use conditions to test that the unit is boss |
| 17:47.24 | Deathbringer | No no, thats the |
| 17:47.30 | Deathbringer | Variable |
| 17:47.31 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.07 | turtles1 | oh, you mean when you declare the variable? |
| 17:49.03 | turtles1 | You have a global variable called boss and the line is "Boss = No Unit <Unit>", right? |
| 17:49.09 | turtles1 | that's not a problem |
| 17:50.21 | turtles1 | try and figure out why the trigger is running. Inside the trigger get it to output the unit type of the triggering unit |
| 17:50.25 | Deathbringer | Fixed it!! |
| 17:50.30 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.38 | Deathbringer | No Unit should have been "Any Unit" |
| 17:50.43 | Deathbringer | Now it works. |
| 17:51.42 | turtles1 | OK, I officially give up trying to understand anything you say. lol |
| 17:51.53 | turtles1 | glad you fixed it though :) |
| 17:59.22 | Deathbringer | turtles1 How do you remove protoss builds from needing to be powered? |
| 18:01.52 | turtles1 | No idea but looking at buildings like the gateway you can see a linked behaviour called "power user" |
| 18:02.03 | turtles1 | which seems like a good lead to follow |
| 18:02.15 | Deathbringer | Oh never mind, got that. |
| 18:02.22 | Deathbringer | Okay another bug. |
| 18:02.26 | turtles1 | I'm guessing it's a behaviour applied to the building upon creation |
| 18:02.47 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3412 |
| 18:03.02 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.44 | Deathbringer | For some reason these created units dont save to the Variable |
| 18:03.46 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3413 |
| 18:04.00 | Deathbringer | It only saves 1 unit, how can I save them all? |
| 18:04.33 | turtles1 | Last created unit means literally that |
| 18:04.58 | turtles1 | the units created by the last "units created" action |
| 18:05.27 | turtles1 | if you use it several times only the last one will be returned by the last created units function |
| 18:05.39 | Deathbringer | Oh... |
| 18:05.45 | turtles1 | But first of all... that action definition makes no sense to me |
| 18:05.46 | Deathbringer | So how do I add all of them to a group? |
| 18:05.54 | turtles1 | it IS an action defenition right? |
| 18:05.59 | Deathbringer | Yes |
| 18:06.25 | turtles1 | triggering player should not work in an action defenition |
| 18:06.34 | turtles1 | that should only work in a trigger |
| 18:06.43 | turtles1 | same with triggering unit |
| 18:06.59 | turtles1 | wait, |
| 18:07.08 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 18:07.09 | turtles1 | actually, I always just assumed that |
| 18:07.23 | turtles1 | do you have a trigger which calls that action defenition? |
| 18:07.35 | turtles1 | I never realized you could do that, my mistake sorry |
| 18:07.55 | turtles1 | anyway, you could solve it several ways |
| 18:08.37 | turtles1 | easiest would be to use the "add unit group to unit group" function after every unit creation |
| 18:08.45 | Deathbringer | Oh okay. |
| 18:08.49 | turtles1 | and add "last created units" to unit group |
| 18:09.10 | Deathbringer | Like so? Unit Group - Add (Last created unit) to Arena Defenses |
| 18:09.12 | turtles1 | but since they are all the same unit why not just create 20 of them at once |
| 18:09.22 | turtles1 | and then move each one to the location you want |
| 18:09.29 | turtles1 | yes, like that |
| 18:10.45 | turtles1 | also you can use "point from name" to loop through the points |
| 18:11.00 | Deathbringer | Okay got it. |
| 18:11.16 | turtles1 | so you would only need 3 lines of code to do that instead of a lot of them |
| 18:11.28 | turtles1 | but that might be a bit advanced |
| 18:11.49 | Deathbringer | Ehh I'll just use Unit Group - Add (Last created unit) to Arena Defenses |
| 18:31.41 | turtles1 | hmmm my idea to overcome the 255 limit on checkboxes didn't work |
| 18:32.32 | turtles1 | Was going to get them to paste the text into the check box, press the home key to place the cursor at the front and then hold the delete key until the text was deleted |
| 18:32.59 | turtles1 | It does actually work, in that it allows me to read past the 255 limit imposed by blizzard |
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| 18:33.39 | turtles1 | however it is unreliable due to sometimes the text is deleted faster than the trigger runs, or there seems to be some duplications as well |
| 18:34.08 | turtles1 | so abcdefghijk becomes abdefffghkk |
| 18:34.25 | turtles1 | not that bad, but you get the idea |
| 18:34.41 | ArcanePariah | Good morning everyone, what's new and interesting? |
| 18:35.29 | turtles1 | I may still defeat the limit by getting the user to select sections and delete them |
| 18:35.35 | turtles1 | morning Arcane |
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| 18:35.45 | ArcanePariah | What are we trying to do? |
| 18:36.04 | turtles1 | overcome the 255 character limit you can read from edit boxes |
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| 18:36.08 | turtles1 | I defeated it! |
| 18:36.16 | turtles1 | but it's not a very reliable method |
| 18:36.20 | turtles1 | need a better way |
| 18:36.47 | ArcanePariah | I can assume that you are taking input, and removing it and storing it? |
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| 18:37.09 | turtles1 | you cannot remove text from the edit box (that I know of) |
| 18:37.19 | turtles1 | but yes, getting the user to erase the text |
| 18:37.27 | turtles1 | and detecting the difference |
| 18:37.28 | ArcanePariah | Well, you can certainly alter it on the fly. |
| 18:37.40 | turtles1 | you can set it |
| 18:37.50 | turtles1 | and you can read the first 255 characters |
| 18:38.05 | turtles1 | is there any other operations you know of that I dont? |
| 18:39.37 | ArcanePariah | Well, without knowing the full context, there is an action called Critcal Section. Critical sections are pieces of code that can be forced to run in serial. |
| 18:40.08 | ArcanePariah | Meaning even if the trigger happens 100 times, the block in the trigger inside the critical section will forces each one to be run in order. |
| 18:40.58 | turtles1 | hmm, actually yes, that's probably what was causing the duplication. |
| 18:41.05 | turtles1 | and would solve it |
| 18:41.21 | turtles1 | but doesn't solve the issue of skipped characters |
| 18:42.16 | ArcanePariah | Well you could set the trigger to only occur on the exact event type, there is one explicitly for edit boxes being changed. |
| 18:42.39 | turtles1 | it changes faster than the script can keep up with |
| 18:42.43 | turtles1 | for instance |
| 18:43.40 | turtles1 | the user is holding down the delete key. 2 characters may be deleted before the trigger fires |
| 18:43.50 | turtles1 | they are not synchronized |
| 18:44.08 | turtles1 | the text is getting erased and the trigger is firing every time it detects a change |
| 18:44.34 | turtles1 | but they are not synched up so the triggers can still "miss" a character |
| 18:45.07 | turtles1 | so if the user presses the delete key repetitively it works fine |
| 18:45.29 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... you are not storing the text of the edit box as it is being entered? |
| 18:45.49 | turtles1 | ha, no that would be easy |
| 18:45.50 | turtles1 | :P |
| 18:46.04 | ArcanePariah | So... why are we doing the hard way again? |
| 18:46.10 | turtles1 | I want to let players copy paste information into/out of the map |
| 18:46.18 | ArcanePariah | Or better question, what are we trying to do? |
| 18:46.25 | turtles1 | copying text is easy, write the string to an edit box |
| 18:46.32 | turtles1 | and they can ctrl+c it |
| 18:46.57 | turtles1 | but ctrl+p (pasting) text into an edit box only fires the trigger once |
| 18:47.21 | turtles1 | What I WAS doing was getting them to paste it into the edit box |
| 18:47.38 | ArcanePariah | So... we are trying to retrive data that is in an edit box, but possible inputs exceed the edit box max length |
| 18:47.43 | turtles1 | and then hold down the delete key until the text is removed |
| 18:48.06 | turtles1 | it does not exceed the edit box max |
| 18:48.17 | turtles1 | edit box max is several thousand characters |
| 18:48.34 | turtles1 | the amount of characters you can read from it is a fraction of that |
| 18:48.38 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... then I do not entirely understand the problem. |
| 18:48.55 | turtles1 | so I get them to hold the delete key, and I detect as characters are deleted |
| 18:49.01 | ArcanePariah | Oh, you want to read the value into the map to do stuff, but it will only let you grab the 1st 255 characters... |
| 18:49.11 | ArcanePariah | Is that correct? |
| 18:49.11 | turtles1 | but that is unreliable as characters can "slip" past |
| 18:49.17 | turtles1 | yes |
| 18:49.35 | turtles1 | they can paste the info into the edit box |
| 18:49.45 | turtles1 | only problem is trying to read it into a string |
| 18:50.10 | turtles1 | I might be able to do it by getting them to select with the mouse and delete chunks of text until there is nothing left |
| 18:50.32 | ArcanePariah | Wait, a string variable can only have 255 characters in it? |
| 18:50.50 | turtles1 | no, strings are also several thousand |
| 18:51.22 | turtles1 | and putting a string variable into an edit box is only limited by the limits of strings and edit boxes |
| 18:51.50 | turtles1 | so string -> edit box can transfer thousands of characters |
| 18:52.08 | turtles1 | but edit box -> string has an artificial limit of 255 |
| 18:52.18 | turtles1 | not because of restrictions on the data types |
| 18:52.49 | turtles1 | but because the function which retrieves the text from the edit box has a hardcoded limit |
| 18:52.52 | turtles1 | of when it stops |
| 18:53.07 | turtles1 | it reads characters until it gets to 255 and then stops |
| 18:53.20 | turtles1 | You see... |
| 18:53.29 | turtles1 | edit boxes USED to have a limit of 255 characters] |
| 18:53.36 | turtles1 | and people bitched and moaned |
| 18:53.48 | turtles1 | so blizzard increased the capacity of them |
| 18:54.07 | turtles1 | but forgot to edit the function which READS from edit boxes |
| 18:54.35 | turtles1 | so that function is still stuck at the old limit |
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| 18:57.22 | ArcanePariah | Hmm.. I see the issue |
| 18:57.58 | turtles1 | and do you see my failed solution and why it wouldn't work? |
| 18:58.13 | turtles1 | I was getting them to erase the string starting from the front |
| 18:58.36 | turtles1 | and recording the characters as the edit box text was removed |
| 19:00.49 | turtles1 | but I was only recording what the first character was, and then adding it to the string until there were no more characters left |
| 19:02.09 | turtles1 | maybe if I tried keeping track of the first X characters I would be able to tell when I had missed one due to the edit box contents being erased two characters before the trigger reads from it |
| 19:02.34 | ArcanePariah | Well critical section SHOULD solve that. |
| 19:03.21 | ArcanePariah | Let me go look at something real fast. |
| 19:05.55 | turtles1 | Critical section would stop two instances of the trigger firing at once. But it won't stop the event which causes the trigger to fire |
| 19:06.15 | turtles1 | you can't use critical sections to prevent players from removing text in a text box |
| 19:06.16 | ArcanePariah | I take it the data being input has no form to it? |
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| 19:06.37 | ArcanePariah | ANd true, but you can use conditions to do so |
| 19:06.54 | ArcanePariah | By checking the active number of instances of a trigger that are running |
| 19:07.17 | turtles1 | lol, to make it uneditable? hmmm. don't know if it would work |
| 19:07.23 | ArcanePariah | And hai duckies |
| 19:07.35 | duckies | hey pariah |
| 19:08.19 | turtles1 | not sure what you mean by "no form to it" |
| 19:08.47 | ArcanePariah | Is there a structure to the data? |
| 19:08.52 | turtles1 | it follows a format |
| 19:08.55 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 19:09.29 | turtles1 | but you cannot predict the information to come |
| 19:09.37 | turtles1 | it's not repetitive for example |
| 19:09.56 | ArcanePariah | Are the players inputting this data at run time, and must the inputting be done in game? |
| 19:10.10 | ArcanePariah | Or is it permissiable for thme to place the data outside the game? |
| 19:10.49 | turtles1 | no need to be run time. But the only other alternative would be through banks |
| 19:11.19 | ArcanePariah | That's what I was thinking, or, could the players fill out a form? |
| 19:11.20 | turtles1 | and getting players to locate a bank folder and then edit XML files is a lost cause for a lot of people |
| 19:11.55 | ArcanePariah | Since the data follows a form, have the player fill out the form? |
| 19:12.51 | ArcanePariah | Or is that overkill/too time consuming? |
| 19:13.16 | ArcanePariah | And what are you up to nowadays duckies ? |
| 19:13.50 | turtles1 | too time consuming. Players can create the data using an inbuilt editor. But the point of importing/exporting the data is so it can be shared with others |
| 19:13.55 | duckies | just chilling, doing nothing special |
| 19:14.31 | turtles1 | otherwise they would have to spend ages copying what their friend did to the letter |
| 19:15.04 | turtles1 | as opposed to "Hey, arcane, budy ole pal! Try this out qwertyuioplkjhgfdsazxcvbnm," |
| 19:15.20 | turtles1 | which you can then copy paste into the game |
| 19:16.10 | ArcanePariah | So they are capable of copy pasting the text, but not copy pasting banks... sigh... |
| 19:16.14 | turtles1 | I could just create 10 edit boxes and get the player to manually chop up the text into 255 sized peices |
| 19:16.28 | turtles1 | and copy one peice into each edit box and then stitch it up again |
| 19:16.51 | turtles1 | copy/pasting a bank overwrites the bank |
| 19:17.10 | turtles1 | getting them to edit a bank xml file is a bit different |
| 19:17.30 | ArcanePariah | Ok, in which case, you possibly need to devise an encoding scheme to compress the data you want expressed down int 255 characters. |
| 19:18.10 | turtles1 | I could reserve special banks for importing/exporting such that a player can copy a bank into their folder and the data is added into their main bank on game startup |
| 19:18.36 | turtles1 | 255 characters is not much. Twitter has a limit of 160 characters |
| 19:18.41 | ArcanePariah | That too, I was going to mention that. You can have many banks, my map (NOTD2) has 7 |
| 19:18.57 | turtles1 | you could not contain two tweets inside an edit box |
| 19:19.19 | turtles1 | that's how small a limit we are talking here |
| 19:19.21 | ArcanePariah | So have a main bank, and then a temp bank, and save the stuff they want to share to the temp bank and load copy temp bank into main bank |
| 19:19.35 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but with encoding, thats a huge limit :D |
| 19:20.21 | ArcanePariah | How many pieces of data are we talking about? |
| 19:21.01 | turtles1 | current encoding scheme I inherited and it's completely wasteful |
| 19:21.09 | turtles1 | so we are talking 2000 characters |
| 19:21.18 | turtles1 | but only a quater of that is useful |
| 19:21.41 | turtles1 | so if I ditch the old encoding scheme I could probably make do with 500-1000 |
| 19:21.48 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but how many pieces of unique data is possible? |
| 19:22.01 | ArcanePariah | Is it 500+? 1000+? |
| 19:22.48 | turtles1 | each peice of data needs a time stamp, a number < 200 and a unique identifier of about 100 or less |
| 19:23.05 | turtles1 | say time stamp is restricted to less than 1 hour |
| 19:23.18 | turtles1 | that is still a lot of info |
| 19:24.00 | turtles1 | and say I need to keep about 40 of them |
| 19:24.34 | turtles1 | that would be 4 chars for time, 3 chars for integer and 2 chars for identifier |
| 19:24.56 | turtles1 | 9 * 40 = 360 |
| 19:25.10 | turtles1 | plus metadata of about 50 characters |
| 19:25.13 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... maybe... lets consider it. Time stamp is MM:SS, so 60 distinct values, and 60 other distinct balues. 60 values can be represented by 6 bits, so 12 bits gets you the entire time stamp, which is less then 2 chars |
| 19:25.15 | turtles1 | >> 255 |
| 19:25.57 | ArcanePariah | but we will round up for covenince, 2 bytes for each time stamp (2 chars). |
| 19:26.20 | ArcanePariah | A number <200 can be represented with 9 bits |
| 19:26.46 | ArcanePariah | Actually, 1 byte is enough |
| 19:28.07 | ArcanePariah | Since strings can accepts a fairly large set of characters, at least ASCII basic, assume each ascii number = the number under 200 |
| 19:28.28 | ArcanePariah | So that's 1 character for the integer. |
| 19:28.36 | ArcanePariah | And 1 for the identifier |
| 19:28.40 | ArcanePariah | so 4 total |
| 19:28.44 | turtles1 | hmm 255 - 50 metadata = 200 |
| 19:29.05 | ArcanePariah | and 4 * 40 = 160, placing you under the string limit |
| 19:29.19 | turtles1 | 200 / 40 = 5 characters per data point |
| 19:29.35 | ArcanePariah | well, right now we at 4 per point |
| 19:29.40 | ArcanePariah | so we are fine |
| 19:30.07 | turtles1 | cutting it close. lol. Would like the possibility to go more than 40 points |
| 19:30.14 | turtles1 | not that I'm complaining :S |
| 19:31.16 | turtles1 | guess that gives me a total of 50 points if we go to 4 chars per data point |
| 19:32.00 | turtles1 | should JUST be enough... hopefully |
| 19:32.11 | ArcanePariah | Ok, doable, if we assume each characters in our encoding translates to the ascii value, we can represent the entire time stamp as 1 character I think |
| 19:32.52 | turtles1 | assuming the edit box can accept all sorts of wierd text |
| 19:33.05 | turtles1 | something I should test |
| 19:34.12 | turtles1 | oh, you're still talking ascii |
| 19:34.41 | ArcanePariah | Yes, which I can assume almost for sure the edito boxes will support the entire ascii set. |
| 19:34.43 | turtles1 | should be fine. I was thinking unicode for some reasons |
| 19:34.54 | ArcanePariah | Or at least the basic 255 characters |
| 19:37.21 | turtles1 | wonders what the bit arithmatic functions are like in the editor |
| 19:38.12 | turtles1 | is there even a way to convert a character into an integer? |
| 19:38.26 | ArcanePariah | Ok, for the timestamp, we can do the following: double encode. The timestamp will be stored as 12 possible characters, lets assume hex, so 0,1,2... A,B,C |
| 19:38.51 | ArcanePariah | The upper half will gives us the bits for expressing the minutes, the lower half the bits for the seconds. |
| 19:40.25 | ArcanePariah | So a time of say, 22:39 translates to binay 001110 : 0100111 |
| 19:42.18 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... still need 2 bytes at least, and a single hex digit can only do 1 byte |
| 19:42.45 | ArcanePariah | Sigh... wish I remember by packing lessons from assembly class... |
| 19:44.16 | ArcanePariah | ANd as for convert character into interger, probably not, but you can jsut preprogramm the ascii table as a user data type and do lookups |
| 19:45.32 | turtles1 | The first 30 ascii characters are things like backspace |
| 19:45.35 | turtles1 | and escape |
| 19:45.45 | turtles1 | sure they will work? |
| 19:45.55 | turtles1 | going to try and test this out |
| 19:46.21 | ArcanePariah | Possibly not, but still, we may be able to explore other schemes of encoding the data |
| 19:48.00 | ArcanePariah | Oh duh, that's how you can get the time stamp down to 1 characher. Just represent the seconds + minutes as a single ascii value. |
| 19:48.23 | ArcanePariah | So 22:39 = 22 + 60 + 39 |
| 19:49.26 | ArcanePariah | Nvm, that doesn't work |
| 19:52.15 | ArcanePariah | Actually wait, that does work... |
| 19:53.15 | turtles1 | ok, testing out the capabilities of the edit box |
| 19:53.55 | turtles1 | 32 - 175 are in |
| 19:54.47 | turtles1 | and 189 - 254 appear to be in |
| 19:54.58 | turtles1 | with some unsupported characters in the middle |
| 19:55.09 | turtles1 | still gives something to work with |
| 19:55.28 | turtles1 | anyway, i gtg |
| 19:55.49 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty, yeah, as it stands, you need 4 characters to encode everything |
| 19:56.07 | turtles1 | hopefully I can make it work though. Otherwise I'm going back to my "getting the players to delete text and checking the changes" method |
| 19:56.34 | turtles1 | I'm pretty sure I could get that to work and circumvent the 255 limit by doing it slightly different |
| 19:56.39 | turtles1 | thanks for your help |
| 19:56.54 | ArcanePariah | No problem :D |
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| 20:42.11 | Dustin | lol wtf when i test my map it auto laods the last melee extension mod i had open with it |
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