| 00:38.55 | Ahli | my editor crashed while saving an observer interface as it allocated more and more RAM and ran out of it |
| 00:40.39 | Ahli | oh no, I think that was only compiling >_> |
| 00:40.44 | Ahli | UI xml |
| 00:42.55 | Ahli | because my xml isn't valid, but I guess I found a bug in it :D |
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| 02:33.05 | pirate | I've got a fun problem I've been attempting to debug for the last two hours |
| 02:35.39 | RooKz | ARGH! |
| 02:36.22 | RooKz | I've yet to find ME BOOTY! |
| 02:38.27 | pirate | occasionally, a summoned photon cannon enemy simply won't attack on it's turn |
| 02:38.37 | pirate | the order is issued |
| 02:38.57 | pirate | but the attack doesn't start |
| 02:39.18 | pirate | and if I skip that particular cannon's turn, the same thing will happen when the turn order comes around again |
| 02:39.39 | pirate | it's not something wrong with the target |
| 02:39.56 | pirate | I've got debug triggers to issue orders to try attacking different targets during the hang up |
| 02:40.04 | pirate | these work for other cannons |
| 02:40.26 | RooKz | I suppose you need to stick in a bunch of text messages in every area of your triggers just to check that it's working |
| 02:40.38 | RooKz | if it's not triggers |
| 02:40.48 | RooKz | then other methods are necessary to test |
| 02:40.49 | pirate | that's how I confirmed that the order was most definitely issued |
| 02:40.58 | pirate | I've been testing for the last two horus |
| 02:41.23 | RooKz | horus was a popular egyptian god |
| 02:41.33 | pirate | thanks |
| 02:41.35 | RooKz | he was the boss basically |
| 02:41.43 | RooKz | just fyi, I'm a geek |
| 02:41.47 | RooKz | at... |
| 02:41.49 | RooKz | everything |
| 02:42.19 | RooKz | anyway, I don't know how you'd try and fix that honestly |
| 02:42.32 | RooKz | never done much with photon cannons or turn based stuff |
| 02:43.20 | RooKz | things just tend to answer themselves through my intuition |
| 02:43.47 | pirate | I asked here on the offchance someone that had encountered a similar puzzling problem of a launch missile effect/weapon simply not firing |
| 02:44.16 | RooKz | perhaps it has something to do with the target? |
| 02:44.29 | RooKz | is there a pattern? |
| 02:45.09 | pirate | telling the cannon to explicitly find a different target yields the same results |
| 02:45.46 | pirate | the only pattern I've noticed so far (which could be coincidence) is that it never seems to be the first 3 cannons summoned.. |
| 02:46.58 | RooKz | I'm clueless, but perhaps somebody else in here has some idea, sorry |
| 02:47.28 | RooKz | I tend to try and help people without any idea how it works in the first place, I hope you can understand |
| 02:48.12 | pirate | I think this is the first time when I've had no idea how to proceed |
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| 03:20.22 | pirate | power use |
| 03:20.25 | pirate | it was power use |
| 03:22.27 | pirate | doesn't seem to have to do with being in range of a pylon, but removing the power use behavior cured my impotent pylons |
| 03:35.20 | RooKz | happy you figured it out :D |
| 03:41.23 | pirate | me too |
| 03:41.27 | pirate | how exhausting |
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| 04:21.11 | Nytemare3701 | Anyone available to critique a map? I just finished a major step, so I'm looking for feedback before I dive back in. |
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| 06:34.43 | Bounty | pew |
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| 09:40.36 | duckies | hey goa_ |
| 09:40.43 | duckies | what's up with mapnight times? |
| 09:41.32 | duckies | I won't make it if it's that early, will only get home at ~6-8pm t_t |
| 10:11.34 | Goa_ | I might put it too early |
| 10:11.46 | Goa_ | I am lazy setting those events |
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| 11:24.53 | turtles1 | does anyone know if the text box limit was raised? Last time I checked was a LONG time ago |
| 11:25.10 | Goa_ | I dont think it was raised:( |
| 11:25.31 | Goa_ | Also now hotkeys triggered even if you type in edit box:( |
| 11:25.37 | turtles1 | when people complained that the amount of text they could hold was too small. So blizzard increased the amount it could hold, but did not increase the amount that could be read from them |
| 11:26.25 | turtles1 | so it could hold say, 500 chars but you could only access the first 300 or so |
| 11:26.36 | turtles1 | Goa_ , that's unfortiunate :( |
| 11:27.15 | turtles1 | *edit box* , yes, that's what I meant. Forgot the name |
| 11:28.28 | turtles1 | That really sucks, as it's the only easy way to let players import/export anything from/to your map |
| 11:28.51 | turtles1 | Getting players to locate their bank location and edit the xml files may as well be a lost cause |
| 11:29.26 | turtles1 | Any other ways it could be done? |
| 11:30.19 | turtles1 | Otherwise I'm just going to have to have 3-4 edit boxes and get the players to split the string up themselves and enter it in that way |
| 11:30.28 | turtles1 | peicemeal |
| 11:34.45 | turtles1 | Or maybe enter the text into an edit box and get them to hold the delete key. That way I can detect the change to the edit box contents and read the first 100 characters. As the first X xharacters are deleted I'll be able to read the next 100 + X characters until I get the whole string |
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| 11:38.38 | merrillphish | hello! |
| 11:38.51 | turtles1 | hi |
| 11:39.16 | merrillphish | Im kinda new use to make wc3 maps |
| 11:40.08 | turtles1 | whats the WC3 scene like for custom games? I haven't opened up WC3 in about 11 years |
| 11:40.33 | turtles1 | still going strong? |
| 11:40.44 | merrillphish | They still have some good game |
| 11:40.45 | merrillphish | games |
| 11:40.51 | merrillphish | just a bitch to host |
| 11:41.01 | merrillphish | but they have hosting bots and all sorts of stuff |
| 11:41.08 | merrillphish | I was a pro at the war3 editor |
| 11:41.16 | merrillphish | still getting use to sc2 editor |
| 11:41.59 | merrillphish | what kind of stuff do you do? |
| 11:42.34 | turtles1 | me? practice/training mods generally |
| 11:42.40 | turtles1 | currently writting an AI |
| 11:43.01 | merrillphish | Have you made any maps? |
| 11:43.11 | merrillphish | AI sounds tough |
| 11:43.38 | turtles1 | I'm looking to get a team together to help |
| 11:44.06 | turtles1 | I've written the backbone and the AI for harassment as a proof of concept |
| 11:44.22 | merrillphish | I got a map idea down of paper right now |
| 11:44.33 | merrillphish | Just figuring out how to do a few key things |
| 11:44.37 | merrillphish | then Im ready to roll |
| 11:45.23 | merrillphish | AI for a melee map? |
| 11:45.53 | turtles1 | speaking of which I put a recruitment thread up on the recruitment forum for SC2mapster. But will it get any views? maybe I should stick it in general as well |
| 11:46.00 | turtles1 | but I don't want to spam the forums |
| 11:46.13 | turtles1 | AI for any melee maps |
| 11:46.22 | merrillphish | ahh okay |
| 11:46.53 | merrillphish | I have nothing about AI lol |
| 11:47.59 | turtles1 | it's not as complex as you may think. Creating a really "good" AI could be a massive undertaking. |
| 11:48.17 | turtles1 | But creating a "dumb" AI which follows simple rules can be effective |
| 11:48.46 | turtles1 | from those simple rules the overall behaviour can converge into seemingly intelligent behaviour |
| 11:48.55 | merrillphish | Does anyone know how to change a unit's Attributes with triggers? It is the attributes like Robotic, Bio, Mech, Herioc |
| 11:49.49 | merrillphish | Now that I think of it... Doesn't sound possible. To change a unit from non heroic to heroic sounds messy |
| 11:50.28 | turtles1 | data editor is a mystery to me. Can't help you much there |
| 11:50.42 | merrillphish | My AI for my map is attack towards unit lol |
| 11:52.05 | merrillphish | I have triggered bosses in wc3 |
| 11:52.19 | merrillphish | that cast an ability when something happens |
| 11:52.31 | turtles1 | So far I've written only the harassment part of the AI. which is effectively "If I am bigger attack towards units. If they outnumber us run away from units" |
| 11:53.02 | turtles1 | but it is suprising how effective that actually is at being good at harassing |
| 11:53.25 | turtles1 | jazzed up to be a little more complex of course |
| 11:53.58 | merrillphish | You play alot of ladder> |
| 11:54.01 | merrillphish | ? |
| 11:54.32 | turtles1 | used to. I used to be plat/diamond. Haven't really played at all over the last year |
| 11:55.40 | turtles1 | what are you making? |
| 11:59.16 | merrillphish | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sW6artGNFU |
| 11:59.31 | merrillphish | This is a minigame I map for wc3 back in the day |
| 11:59.54 | merrillphish | Red spell kills red monster |
| 11:59.58 | merrillphish | blue spell kills blue monster |
| 12:00.13 | merrillphish | green spell kills green monster |
| 12:00.25 | merrillphish | Im gonna throw in a bunch of other elements |
| 12:00.31 | merrillphish | but that is the core of it |
| 12:04.11 | turtles1 | Is that why you're looking at attributes like Robotic/bio/mech ? |
| 12:04.28 | turtles1 | so you can have different colours effected by different spells? |
| 12:15.35 | merrillphish | Yes : ) |
| 12:15.53 | merrillphish | Maybe there is a better way to do that |
| 12:16.06 | merrillphish | I found out how to change the units color |
| 12:16.17 | turtles1 | like I said, I know next to nothing about data editing |
| 12:16.30 | merrillphish | its so hard |
| 12:16.34 | turtles1 | but it might be easier to apply a behaviour to units when you create them |
| 12:16.53 | merrillphish | yes? |
| 12:16.56 | turtles1 | and then when you use the spell get the spell to check which behaviour the unit has |
| 12:17.13 | turtles1 | when deciding whether to apply damage or not |
| 12:17.21 | merrillphish | ahhh |
| 12:17.56 | merrillphish | Im going to read up on behaviors |
| 12:18.21 | turtles1 | and effects, maybe? I think that is where you would get it to decide to apply damage or not |
| 12:18.43 | turtles1 | Like I said though. Other people would know it by heart, but not me |
| 12:18.57 | merrillphish | Are people on here much? |
| 12:19.16 | merrillphish | I use to hang out in thehelper.net |
| 12:19.22 | merrillphish | but they are kinda dead now |
| 12:19.44 | turtles1 | usually a couple of people online here at a time. |
| 12:20.02 | turtles1 | what time is it in America right now? wouldn't it be early morning? |
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| 12:20.55 | merrillphish | it is 8:2- |
| 12:21.02 | merrillphish | 8:20 am |
| 12:21.03 | turtles1 | Google says it's 8:20 AM. No way I would be active at that time. My brain only starts working after 1 PM |
| 12:21.08 | merrillphish | I have work off today |
| 12:21.19 | merrillphish | lol Where are you from? |
| 12:21.33 | turtles1 | Sydney, Australia. It's 10pm here |
| 12:21.38 | merrillphish | Nice |
| 12:21.55 | merrillphish | Im gonna take a break after I figure out how to do this classification thing |
| 12:22.54 | turtles1 | Never did any modding in WC3 but apparently it was much simpler |
| 12:23.42 | merrillphish | very much so |
| 12:23.43 | turtles1 | but with great flexibility comes great complexity. Things might take a while to figure out. Good luck though :) |
| 12:24.02 | merrillphish | I wish they left it that way |
| 12:24.06 | merrillphish | and just improved it |
| 12:24.29 | merrillphish | Making a unit shouldnt take so much time and effort |
| 12:24.31 | merrillphish | lol |
| 12:24.36 | turtles1 | You ever play "Run kitty run" in WC3? |
| 12:24.41 | merrillphish | yea! |
| 12:24.51 | turtles1 | I LOVED LOVED LOVED that game as a kid. remake that :P |
| 12:25.34 | merrillphish | lol |
| 12:25.49 | merrillphish | You ever play level up bound in sc1 |
| 12:25.51 | merrillphish | ? |
| 12:26.02 | turtles1 | Never played sc1 :( |
| 12:26.29 | merrillphish | I think sc2 has a level up bound |
| 12:26.43 | merrillphish | I made one for wc3 |
| 12:26.59 | merrillphish | Ever play fortress survival |
| 12:27.06 | Dustin|Work | Morning gentlemen |
| 12:27.08 | merrillphish | I need to get all my games on youtube lol |
| 12:27.11 | merrillphish | Morning! |
| 12:27.17 | turtles1 | morning |
| 12:27.20 | merrillphish | Im new |
| 12:27.24 | merrillphish | Greetings |
| 12:27.38 | merrillphish | Use to make wc3 maps |
| 12:27.51 | Dustin|Work | Welcome :) you're among like minded people here! |
| 12:27.56 | Dustin|Work | I was big into modding wc3 |
| 12:28.58 | merrillphish | I made like 2 or 3 maps |
| 12:29.09 | merrillphish | I have a masterpeice like 80% done lol |
| 12:29.29 | merrillphish | Hard to promote maps in wc3 |
| 12:29.33 | turtles1 | 80 20 rule |
| 12:29.37 | merrillphish | haha |
| 12:30.01 | turtles1 | lol, if you thought promoting maps in WC3 was hard then I have some bad news to tell you :P |
| 12:30.01 | merrillphish | What kind of maps did you make? |
| 12:30.12 | merrillphish | What? |
| 12:30.20 | turtles1 | although at least you won't be competing against 100 Dota maps |
| 12:30.29 | merrillphish | Sc2 is awesome for promoting maps |
| 12:30.45 | merrillphish | Don't have to be a computer scientist to host a map |
| 12:30.51 | turtles1 | says who? |
| 12:30.56 | merrillphish | in wc3 |
| 12:31.08 | merrillphish | You have to open router ports and shit to host a map |
| 12:31.13 | merrillphish | average joe cant do that |
| 12:32.00 | turtles1 | in WC3 though, you could host a map and people would join it |
| 12:32.15 | turtles1 | in SC2 it is a lot harder to get players into your game |
| 12:32.25 | turtles1 | IMHO |
| 12:32.34 | merrillphish | lol |
| 12:32.37 | Dustin|Work | merrillphish: I made a Turn Based arena/rpg map in WC3 |
| 12:32.40 | Dustin|Work | Was my baby |
| 12:33.00 | merrillphish | Consider this... Arcade is free to anyone now |
| 12:33.10 | merrillphish | Anyone can host it |
| 12:33.40 | merrillphish | Getting people to join is the challenege |
| 12:34.02 | turtles1 | exactly. getting people to join a map in WC3 was easy |
| 12:34.12 | merrillphish | nice dustin! I never played that : ( |
| 12:34.15 | turtles1 | you could host any random map and eventually get a lobby full |
| 12:34.22 | turtles1 | or at least that's what it felt like |
| 12:34.23 | merrillphish | true |
| 12:34.29 | merrillphish | true |
| 12:34.54 | turtles1 | now, it is hard to do that unless you already have a community around the map |
| 12:35.12 | turtles1 | or at least that's what it feels like. Maybe I am just less patiuent in old age |
| 12:35.13 | merrillphish | I have a bunch of IRL friends that play |
| 12:35.22 | turtles1 | patient* |
| 12:35.26 | merrillphish | I had a map get featured for a day |
| 12:35.37 | merrillphish | and that got me a bunch of plays |
| 12:35.49 | turtles1 | in WC3? |
| 12:35.53 | merrillphish | in SC2 |
| 12:36.04 | merrillphish | Its called Trench Warfare |
| 12:36.11 | turtles1 | I thought you said you were new? |
| 12:36.21 | merrillphish | I made it a year ago |
| 12:36.34 | merrillphish | havent done much sc2 wise since |
| 12:36.53 | merrillphish | Im a patologic lair! |
| 12:37.00 | merrillphish | pathological |
| 12:37.51 | turtles1 | oh, is it a melee map? |
| 12:38.04 | turtles1 | so not very data/trigger heavy? |
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| 12:40.07 | merrillphish | it is on the arcade right now |
| 12:41.06 | merrillphish | What is that extra units? |
| 12:42.09 | merrillphish | WW1: Trench Warfare |
| 12:42.13 | merrillphish | that is the name |
| 12:42.25 | Dustin|Work | It's like the SC1 mode, basically anyone on a team acts as 1 team and controls 1 base and shares control of all units |
| 12:46.20 | merrillphish | ohhh cool! |
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| 12:56.07 | cit | Its merrillphish |
| 12:56.49 | Dustin|Work | hi |
| 13:16.05 | turtles1 | lol SC2 froze at the same time the song I was listening to started looping |
| 13:16.13 | turtles1 | Thought my computer was fucked |
| 13:16.57 | Dustin|Work | lol |
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| 13:44.03 | cit | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVO135xsNOk |
| 13:44.19 | cit | lol I made a preview of my map |
| 13:45.36 | cit | Its an old wc3 map |
| 13:45.57 | turtles1 | Sylvanas was my favourite character |
| 13:46.09 | turtles1 | was devistated that she is not in heroes of the storm (yet) |
| 13:47.36 | cit | Yea my brother has the beta she isnt in there yet : ( |
| 13:47.53 | cit | She is my favorite character too |
| 13:48.20 | cit | lol I was reading a script in that video so badly |
| 13:54.56 | turtles1 | I've had better luck not reading from a script |
| 13:55.11 | turtles1 | just having a few dot points you want to cover and then talking |
| 13:55.31 | turtles1 | sometimes you'll say stupid stuff or go a bit off topic |
| 13:55.42 | turtles1 | but it comes out sounding a whole lot more natural |
| 13:56.22 | turtles1 | and easier to listen to because it's less robotic |
| 13:59.19 | cit | haha |
| 14:03.06 | turtles1 | Fuck fuckity fuckfuckfuck |
| 14:03.26 | turtles1 | the limit for how many characters you can read from edit boxes is 256 |
| 14:03.29 | turtles1 | ! |
| 14:03.39 | turtles1 | I need to read 1-2 K |
| 14:04.15 | turtles1 | so that would be creating 8 seperate text boxes and getting the user to split up the string into 8 256 length chunks |
| 14:04.52 | turtles1 | Twitter has a 160 character length limit |
| 14:05.20 | turtles1 | the sc2 edit box has only a tiny bit more information capacity as two tweets |
| 14:05.35 | turtles1 | wait |
| 14:05.37 | turtles1 | no |
| 14:05.38 | turtles1 | LESS |
| 14:05.54 | turtles1 | the stupid is contagious and preventing me from doing basic arithmatic |
| 14:06.21 | turtles1 | that's approximately one and a half tweets on twitter |
| 14:07.58 | turtles1 | It doesn't make sense either. Edit boxes can easily handle many thousands of characters. I have no idea what the string limit is but it's also up in the many thousands |
| 14:08.26 | turtles1 | so you can put a two thousand character string into an edit box, you just can't get it back :( |
| 14:14.09 | Dustin | Cit, nice, want to see a video of my WC3 map? |
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| 14:15.06 | Dustin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Pw-NYWHfk |
| 14:16.01 | Zolden | DeadZergling you may want to check mozared thread |
| 14:16.57 | DeadZergling | seems a little innacurate, the mozapenis seems too big |
| 14:17.04 | DeadZergling | nice one in any case, lol |
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| 14:45.12 | cit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.25 | Merc | anyone know what kind of compression is in dds files, does it destroy info like a jpeg? |
| 14:49.37 | Merc | will I fuck them up if I keep resaving the same dds |
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| 14:51.46 | Merc | nvm, google suggests lossless |
| 14:54.03 | cit | Nice Dustin! Your map looks like alot of fun and difficult to program |
| 14:54.29 | cit | You should be good Merc |
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| 14:56.07 | AbsTRaCTor_ | Hello:D:D |
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| 14:56.42 | Merc | yeah seems fine, thanks |
| 14:57.02 | Merc | it just kinda looked like some pixels changed a bit when I resaved, got suspicious |
| 14:58.56 | pirate | there's a reason sc2 uses .dds textures :P |
| 15:00.53 | Merc | what do you mean |
| 15:03.41 | Merc | well shit, as we're talking about dds files anyway |
| 15:03.54 | Merc | for some reason one of my textures have decided to render as pink |
| 15:04.06 | Merc | when I only render diffuse, or specular, or normal, they render what they're supposed to |
| 15:04.19 | Merc | but rendering as standard and in game, it shows up as pink |
| 15:04.21 | Merc | what gives |
| 15:16.31 | Zolden | Merc explain the situation to me |
| 15:19.32 | Merc | I don't know what more details I can give you |
| 15:19.55 | Merc | separately the textures work fine, but rendered together it turns pink |
| 15:20.09 | Merc | resaved the textures as well, restarted editor, tried in game |
| 15:20.14 | Merc | pink pink pink |
| 15:22.03 | Merc | I have removed specular and normal map, exported with only diffuse map, and it works |
| 15:22.13 | Merc | so must be something to do with the normal file |
| 15:22.23 | cit | The universe is trying to tell you. You're gay lol |
| 15:22.36 | cit | That is strange |
| 15:22.38 | Merc | well clearly my orc grunts are gay |
| 15:22.48 | cit | lol |
| 15:24.11 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/AAUZOFY.png |
| 15:25.47 | Merc | diffuse only: http://i.imgur.com/AjaiO6n.png |
| 15:26.18 | Merc | spec only http://i.imgur.com/475MrPY.png |
| 15:27.28 | Merc | normal only: http://i.imgur.com/ItWwmt5.png |
| 15:27.40 | turtles1 | Those grunts are FAAAAABULOUS! |
| 15:27.45 | cit | haha |
| 15:27.46 | Merc | you're god damn right |
| 15:27.49 | turtles1 | Why would you even want to change that? |
| 15:27.51 | cit | diffuse only looks good |
| 15:28.20 | Merc | yeah might just go for diffuse only, problem is it just occured out of nowhere and I have no idea why |
| 15:30.01 | Merc | maybe they're just going through a phase |
| 15:54.58 | Zolden | Merc pink means model path and texture path are different |
| 15:55.15 | Zolden | Merc and use dx5 compression |
| 15:55.40 | cit | haha |
| 15:55.54 | cit | Its genetic |
| 15:55.56 | Merc | I use dxt5 interpolated alpha |
| 15:56.18 | Merc | but model path and texture path has always been different, and they're different on the other ones |
| 15:57.00 | Zolden | model's texture path is assets/textures |
| 15:57.02 | Merc | just realized I forgot to set a dead animation, only got "death" animation |
| 15:57.02 | Merc | arrr |
| 15:57.06 | Zolden | model can be anywhere |
| 15:57.10 | Merc | yeah |
| 15:57.12 | Merc | that |
| 15:57.15 | Merc | that's how I have it |
| 16:08.17 | Goa_ | duckies whats on NA? I go brb too until Map Night. |
| 16:09.42 | duckies | on the second though, I don't think it's important, less important than getting food anyway :D |
| 16:09.43 | duckies | brb |
| 16:10.38 | Dustin | I think I uploaded my Shared Melee Extension mod to EU if you guys wanna try it ;) |
| 16:13.19 | Goa_ | Zolden http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/ !!!:D |
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| 16:13.33 | TwoDie | trololol http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=22430 |
| 16:47.31 | RooKz | how could I test pathing cost between 2 points ignoring all terrain? |
| 16:48.41 | RooKz | I just want to test what the time length is if there isn't anything in the way, so I can compare that to if there is something in the way |
| 16:49.05 | pirate | distance between points? |
| 16:50.47 | RooKz | how do I check that? |
| 16:51.41 | pirate | Set Variable (Real) to GetDistanceBetweenPoints(Point A, Point B) |
| 16:52.52 | RooKz | thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:54.57 | pirate | the real question, is how do I send actor messages (such as tint color) to a unit's customized death model |
| 16:55.44 | pirate | nvm figured that out |
| 16:59.32 | Zolden | Goa_ oh yeah |
| 17:01.16 | Zolden | TwoDie seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKN7_vx2xo |
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| 17:04.48 | Goa_ | Zolden http://hczhcz.github.io/Flappy-2048/ |
| 17:06.41 | Zolden | world's insane |
| 17:07.17 | Zolden | Goa_ http://www.world-science.net/othernews/140417_Kepler186f.htm |
| 17:07.49 | Goa_ | It was time to discover the first planet like that |
| 17:08.25 | Zolden | it was a question of time indeed |
| 17:08.37 | Zolden | hope life there have evolved a bit |
| 17:08.50 | Zolden | though, it doesn't say star's age |
| 17:09.22 | Zolden | if it's 5+ billion years, we have a chance to meet intelligent aliens soon |
| 17:10.01 | Goa_ | I want to find life on a rogue planet which uses the planets thermal energy, would be awesome |
| 17:11.58 | Zolden | thermal energy doesn't provide too much enthropy to generate, so a life based on it won't be something more then some crappy bacteria |
| 17:12.19 | Goa_ | btw MAP NIGHT! |
| 17:12.38 | Zolden | though, if bacterias evolve for some billion years, they could create a thinking biolayer |
| 17:12.54 | Goa_ | Zolden it could have have radioactive elements |
| 17:13.06 | Goa_ | Uranium planet |
| 17:13.24 | Goa_ | and once they discover nuclear fusion they are all dead.D |
| 17:14.09 | Zolden | C-based life can't use radioactivity directly, it ruines any carbon moleculas. Maybe Si-based life could |
| 17:15.11 | Goa_ | I was saying it for Entropy |
| 17:18.47 | TwoDie | zolden :/ |
| 17:18.49 | TwoDie | no |
| 17:19.33 | Goa_ | MAP NIGHT NIGGERS! |
| 17:20.53 | duckies | wtf |
| 17:20.57 | duckies | twodie, get over here |
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| 17:21.28 | TwoDie | sec watching porn |
| 17:21.33 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 17:21.47 | duckies | damnit, watch your porn during games, not before them |
| 17:22.00 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg, when you awaken, I have a bit more research I have conducted since the last e-male I sent |
| 17:22.19 | IskatuMesk | somewhat related, when you hand the AI 30 infestors and 30 vipers, silly things happen |
| 17:23.27 | DeadZergling | wow, IskatuMesk has figured out how to electronically move men |
| 17:23.33 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 17:23.40 | Zolden | get e-female too |
| 17:24.04 | IskatuMesk | sorry I am canadian |
| 17:24.11 | IskatuMesk | we don't support that service |
| 17:24.27 | IskatuMesk | but if you pay a $69 fee, you can get premium service from india |
| 17:24.58 | IskatuMesk | actually I am curious, is anyone here innately familiar with the melee galaxy code? |
| 17:25.07 | IskatuMesk | for the computer AI, that is |
| 17:25.40 | IskatuMesk | My endless searching has yielded only sparse references to long-dead wol melee AI projects |
| 17:25.53 | IskatuMesk | what I am trying to do is a bit more... silly |
| 17:26.43 | IskatuMesk | alas, I cannot even read galaxy properly, so my flailing, while somewhat productive, is kind of... blind |
| 17:28.26 | IskatuMesk | ah well. was worth a shot |
| 17:32.15 | Dustin | IskatuMesk, what is your question |
| 17:32.45 | IskatuMesk | I am looking to graft the defense and expansion functionality of melee into a campaign environment |
| 17:33.01 | IskatuMesk | so far I have the AI expanding, but building additional structures at the expansions is super unreliable |
| 17:33.04 | IskatuMesk | they are very very very slow at it |
| 17:33.21 | IskatuMesk | for defense, I am calling Wave types from WaveMeleeAI or whatever galaxy file it was, but their behavior is very weird |
| 17:33.35 | IskatuMesk | the Defense waves will generally "work" until a new wave is formed, then they may idle for a long time or permanently |
| 17:34.01 | IskatuMesk | I have spent weeks trying to figure out how exactly those melee waves are even handled, but some of it seems to either be hardcode-related or just strewn across tons of vague references across the entire game |
| 17:34.23 | Dustin | I know there's a wave trigger to get current ai waves |
| 17:34.30 | IskatuMesk | I even tried to build a build script out of AiStock (I use bullies normally), but the AiStock seems to refuse to build armories or starports, and never makes my max unit counts |
| 17:34.36 | Dustin | Not sure if you can inject any code into the function though |
| 17:35.07 | Dustin | I never use the ai default stuff, just code my own AI controllers if I need it |
| 17:35.32 | IskatuMesk | yeah... my sole experience with code more complex than iscript.bin is this experimenting right here |
| 17:36.00 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg was offering assistance in the off and on times I have pursued this goal throughout the years but he seems to have become encumbered with goats in the last month |
| 17:36.18 | IskatuMesk | so, I tried to pursue it myself and became entangled in a gordian knot of dicks |
| 17:36.56 | IskatuMesk | I think it will come down to rewriting a chunk of that melee wave galaxy file |
| 17:37.14 | IskatuMesk | but I don't even know how it works yet. I stared at it for days and galaxy is probably the most confusing scripting language I've ever seen |
| 17:37.58 | IskatuMesk | like, I cannot for the life of me figure out where the hell states like c_waveStateIdle are even defined |
| 17:38.02 | IskatuMesk | I think they are just hardcoded stuff |
| 17:39.13 | A1win | everything is hardcoded, you can only add your own stuff |
| 17:39.51 | IskatuMesk | well, that theory is correct then |
| 17:39.58 | IskatuMesk | it does make figuring out what exactly is going on a lot more difficult |
| 17:40.23 | A1win | that's just a fault of having no documentation |
| 17:40.29 | IskatuMesk | I think the AI sets the waves to idle at a whim and then just forgets about them, I tried merging them through setting them to an index with lastCreatedWave and then using that index to merge to a new wave... but out of 30-40 tests I've only seen it work once |
| 17:41.18 | IskatuMesk | Let's say the Insane AI script, though, it is basically hands-free when it comes to wave management |
| 17:41.23 | A1win | I tried the default wave AI once... then never touched it again |
| 17:41.33 | IskatuMesk | the way it handles waves is entirely different than anything referenced in triggers or whatnot |
| 17:41.37 | IskatuMesk | yeah. |
| 17:41.53 | IskatuMesk | I mean, I just want the defense functionality out of it |
| 17:42.09 | IskatuMesk | campaign AI has absolutely zero defense functions... and I don't possess the skills to make my own |
| 17:42.37 | IskatuMesk | the structures at expansions is a weird one... aistock seems very strange |
| 17:43.02 | IskatuMesk | I tried directly using Build commands, but even then they are not very speedy in fortifying their expansions |
| 17:43.21 | IskatuMesk | I think it can take 20-30 minutes for them to build a few barracks and some turrets |
| 17:43.52 | IskatuMesk | AIWaveThinkDefault(2,WaveLastCreated(),c_waveDefend); <--- that's what I'm using to assign waves a Defend function |
| 17:44.16 | IskatuMesk | according to the Galaxy file, the c_waveAttack function also has defense options, but the behavior suggests otherwise |
| 17:44.19 | IskatuMesk | thus, confusion |
| 17:48.13 | IskatuMesk | whelp. Here's to hoping sreg finds his way out of the gulag and is able to figure out this trainwreck before it drives me up the wall and across the ceiling |
| 17:48.16 | IskatuMesk | smell you later, alig8rs |
| 18:00.16 | RooKz | HAH! sweet |
| 18:00.25 | RooKz | now I've got a basic cover system |
| 18:12.10 | TwoDie | fuck yo ass sweet ! |
| 18:26.26 | pirate | has anyone played around with text actors? |
| 18:33.23 | Zolden | I have, but in most cases using text tags |
| 18:34.15 | Zolden | for static attachments using actors thoug |
| 18:34.51 | Zolden | TwoDie why aren't you here at days? got a job? |
| 18:39.53 | TwoDie | not much to look here for something |
| 18:40.27 | Zolden | and what do you fill your days with>? |
| 18:40.47 | Zolden | learning unity? |
| 18:42.33 | pirate | text actors have the benefit of being able to be data driven and thus client-sided for things like unit highlighting which I'd like utilize |
| 18:44.18 | pirate | I want to display hit chance and crit chance against an enemy when you highlight them |
| 18:44.32 | pirate | currently doing so with dialogs but there is bnet delay |
| 19:03.56 | TwoDie | Zolden getting wasted in Dota 2 and Civilization 5... so fucking gay game... |
| 19:04.04 | TwoDie | its so good that its so bad |
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| 19:14.19 | Obscene | HI EVERYBODY1!!!! |
| 19:15.09 | Obscene | Does anyone have HoTS Alpha? |
| 19:16.55 | turtles1 | hi |
| 19:17.22 | turtles1 | Heroes of the storm? Yeah, I have an alpha account |
| 19:17.31 | Dustin | me tooo |
| 19:20.01 | Obscene | nice |
| 19:20.06 | Obscene | I got one today :D |
| 19:20.26 | Dustin | nice! |
| 19:20.36 | Dustin | pm me your account name and number |
| 19:20.50 | Obscene | Is it the same as my starcraft 2 account? |
| 19:20.58 | Obscene | If so it's 258/ Ishadowwolf |
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| 19:22.05 | Dustin | no i think its different |
| 19:22.25 | turtles1 | yeah, it's different |
| 19:23.09 | turtles1 | I'm off. Goodnight everyone. |
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| 19:26.39 | TwoDie | Ohhh fucktard.. Stole that fucktard from my Age of Knights map models to use in Eras Invasion map... |
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| 19:49.02 | Obscene | Dustin Ishadowwolf 1957 |
| 20:00.50 | Dustin | Ill add you tonight |
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| 20:11.04 | Obscene | kk |
| 20:11.14 | Obscene | I am surprised it runs so well on this old laptop |
| 20:11.24 | Obscene | I am getting 40 FPS on medium settings :D |
| 20:11.34 | Obscene | That's slighty better than what I get on League of Legends |
| 20:11.55 | TwoDie | u better compare it how better it runs than SC2 |
| 20:12.35 | Dustin | Yeah I can play it on my laptop and it looks better than sc2 |
| 20:12.39 | DeadZergling | Zolden: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/64945-apparently-the-mozared-thread/?page=8#p152 |
| 20:12.45 | DeadZergling | I replied to your post :) |
| 20:16.52 | RooKz | what is even happening... |
| 20:17.07 | RooKz | I wrote a couple triggers to have tychus follow my unit |
| 20:17.12 | RooKz | but he sits there |
| 20:17.29 | DeadZergling | maybe he is too distracted by my disturbing post |
| 20:17.31 | RooKz | then I have a trigger that makes him throw a grenade at a random unit |
| 20:17.37 | RooKz | one the press of a button |
| 20:17.43 | RooKz | on* |
| 20:17.54 | Dustin | Whats ur trigger |
| 20:17.55 | RooKz | instead, he starts following me |
| 20:18.01 | RooKz | .. |
| 20:18.14 | RooKz | I have 2 triggers and I don't know how to copy them via text |
| 20:18.28 | Dustin | select all of them and rightclick _> copy as text |
| 20:18.36 | Dustin | then paste them on the GUI trigger pastebin |
| 20:18.37 | DeadZergling | could also ctrl + F11 |
| 20:18.42 | DeadZergling | and just copy the code from the 2 triggers |
| 20:18.57 | RooKz | I probably have these totally wrong, but... |
| 20:19.10 | RooKz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.18 | Dustin | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 20:19.23 | Dustin | Use that from now on |
| 20:19.35 | RooKz | ok thanks |
| 20:19.52 | RooKz | uhh, how does it work? |
| 20:20.26 | Dustin | paste your trigger text there then hit hte button |
| 20:20.31 | Dustin | then copy paste the new address link here |
| 20:21.42 | RooKz | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3408 |
| 20:25.11 | RooKz | I should probably mention "battle circle" is a region I attached to the unit "Kraynk" |
| 20:26.53 | Obscene | I plays about the same as Starcrft 2 to be honest.About the same as a 2v2 match. |
| 20:27.07 | Obscene | That golem though when it comes out causes a lag spike, too many polygons |
| 20:27.35 | Obscene | Runs much better than expected |
| 20:55.53 | RooKz | what the hell |
| 20:56.03 | RooKz | I don't understand how to freaking fix this |
| 20:56.44 | RooKz | even if I try and make him move towards my character and replace current orders every second, he still wanders to the edge of the map if there is no valid target |
| 20:57.22 | RooKz | oh...my god, that's why |
| 20:58.09 | DeadZergling | I see you aren't paying attention Zolden , oh well, http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/04/18/53518694c9418.jpg for later :p |
| 20:59.23 | RooKz | YEEEEES! |
| 20:59.32 | RooKz | I got it to fucking work! |
| 20:59.50 | RooKz | JEEEEZ, that was sad |
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| 21:12.59 | Nytemare3701 | Quick question: How would I create a tech research that increases the supply given by a type of building? |
| 21:17.20 | RooKz | make a new upgrade and in effects +, add a new object |
| 21:17.30 | RooKz | set that object to unit and pick the unit you want |
| 21:17.50 | RooKz | then find the supply cost and change it there |
| 21:18.19 | RooKz | if you want to add that to a research ability, just find the upgrade selection |
| 21:18.46 | Zolden | DeadZergling yea, better |
| 21:18.56 | Zolden | maybe penis should have the same width as balls |
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| 21:33.39 | TwoDie | http://www.theonion.com/articles/how-to-solve-a-rubiks-cube,35827/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1:Default&recirc=advertising |
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| 21:42.20 | Nytemare3701 | Anyone know how to hide the requirement tooltip on a button? |
| 21:42.46 | Nytemare3701 | I'm using repeatable upgrades, so the button sticks around between uses but is disabled. |
| 21:42.55 | TwoDie | button that uses ability link |
| 21:42.55 | Nytemare3701 | which is good |
| 21:43.04 | TwoDie | there are flags what button displays |
| 21:43.31 | Nytemare3701 | Found it. thanks |
| 21:43.36 | Nytemare3701 | I'm an idiot today apparently. |
| 21:47.02 | RooKz | I am too |
| 21:47.14 | RooKz | for my ally system, I made my ally follow himself instead of me |
| 21:47.23 | duckies | ooh |
| 21:47.38 | duckies | now I remember what the sniping:snipers bug was >.> |
| 21:47.52 | Goa_ | yay |
| 21:47.53 | Goa_ | crash |
| 21:48.16 | RooKz | GARD DARN IT! I want my ALPHA! |
| 21:50.37 | duckies | soo |
| 21:50.53 | duckies | coming back or no? |
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| 22:13.23 | Nytemare3701 | A fellow I worked with recently is currently ordering me a pizza...from Illinois. I'm in California. |
| 22:13.28 | Nytemare3701 | o.o |
| 22:23.10 | RooKz | a bit out of range |
| 22:24.04 | TwoDie | out of mana |
| 22:25.04 | RooKz | not enough energy |
| 22:25.11 | RooKz | not enough overlords |
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| 22:30.54 | TwoDie | yay beating noobs in practice! |
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