| 00:00.25 | pirate | so I take the angle (from the attacker to defender) + 180 - (random fixed from -135 to 135) |
| 00:00.52 | pirate | but I occasionally get impact points that go through the target |
| 00:01.43 | pirate | not the end of the world, I have missed shots impact at ground level so at worst it kinda looks like they go through his feet |
| 00:02.12 | DeadZergling | yea still, let me think about this pirate |
| 00:02.17 | DeadZergling | sounds like a fun problem to solve |
| 00:03.30 | DeadZergling | so are positive angles giving you any trouble, or just the negative ones? |
| 00:04.10 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/HF7YVQi.jpg |
| 00:04.43 | pirate | no idea, it's not a big enough problem fro me to launch into a full investigation :p |
| 00:05.15 | pirate | I added a probe enemy that starts building a base to kill you |
| 00:05.36 | DeadZergling | easy fix could just be to increase the distance from the hero |
| 00:05.39 | DeadZergling | that it happens |
| 00:07.17 | DeadZergling | based on the formula you gave me, that spot should be very possible |
| 00:07.42 | pirate | increasing the distance would make 'wrong' shots look like they go through the body instead of the feet |
| 00:08.57 | DeadZergling | I see, may have to something that is more of a PITA like from -135 to -60 use regular distance, use longer for -60 to -20, regular for -20 to 20, longer for 20 to 60, regular for 60 to 135 |
| 00:09.34 | DeadZergling | have to break it up into 2 different formulas for the 5 possible cases |
| 00:10.18 | DeadZergling | (and yes, those are numbers I just pulled out of my ass, I have no idea which ones would be best for the 2 feet, lol) |
| 00:16.48 | DeadZergling | what will the 4th dimension be by the way Bounty , time? |
| 00:17.12 | Bounty | no, its the shape of the arena |
| 00:17.21 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3fhc3yfaddqfgb/Layout.png |
| 00:18.40 | DeadZergling | for some reason, it reminds me of the mythbusters water heater rocket episode |
| 00:23.37 | Nytemare3701 | What order do you issue to a unit to load it into a bunker? do you instruct the unit to move to the bunker or do you instruct the bunker to load each unit one by one? |
| 00:24.08 | DeadZergling | think it has to be the unit Nytemare3701 , there should be a way to create units inside the bunker though honestly |
| 00:24.44 | Nytemare3701 | I'm thinking load might work targeting unit group, so that should handle it for now. |
| 00:27.52 | Dustin | Nytemare3701, Bunker -> Issue order load -> unit |
| 00:28.06 | Nytemare3701 | Yup, that's what I just did. Awesome. |
| 00:28.13 | DeadZergling | just thought it'd be simpler still for him to just create a unit in the bunker, lol |
| 00:28.28 | Nytemare3701 | Yeah, but I don't have the patience for that at the moment. |
| 00:28.48 | Nytemare3701 | I'll probably do it later, or delegate this trigger to a "to arms!" event for the city. |
| 00:29.30 | Nytemare3701 | DeadZergling, do you know how to make fog of war transparent? I've fiddled with the settings for it, but I couldn't manage transparent. |
| 00:29.43 | DeadZergling | not off the top of my head no, sorry |
| 00:29.50 | Nytemare3701 | I want my grey fog of war to look like normal vision, minus the updates |
| 00:29.57 | DeadZergling | (I answer most my questions away from the editor don't you know, lol) |
| 00:30.08 | Nytemare3701 | Didn't know :-P |
| 00:30.43 | Nytemare3701 | Maybe Ahli knows. It seems most of my questions are answerable between you two and Jad |
| 00:30.51 | DeadZergling | Damn, I may have to find another piece of music for my game at this rate |
| 00:31.03 | Nytemare3701 | Whatcha trying to do? |
| 00:31.14 | DeadZergling | get a soundtrack together for it |
| 00:31.22 | DeadZergling | got stage1, stage2, stage3, intro, boss |
| 00:31.29 | Nytemare3701 | What's the problem? I might be able to help |
| 00:31.32 | DeadZergling | need something for interludes I think |
| 00:32.07 | DeadZergling | just don't have something that really fits what I'd want for an interlude at the moment, I'm mostly just thinking out loud |
| 00:32.11 | Ahli | play with fog settings... I don't know more :S no idea if transparent fog is even possible :D |
| 00:32.43 | Nytemare3701 | Ahli, that's pretty much where I am on this. No idea if it's possible, but it would be impressive gameplay-wise. |
| 00:32.54 | DeadZergling | you were the one with the idea for fade out to make loops easy right Nytemare3701 ? |
| 00:33.10 | Nytemare3701 | You can see any area you have explored, but without scouts, you won't see troop movements |
| 00:33.27 | Nytemare3701 | DZ, I don't think I gave you that, but that is the most common fix for loops |
| 00:33.49 | Nytemare3701 | To do it well though you have to edit the song to make sure it has a good spot for a fade loop |
| 00:34.07 | DeadZergling | yea, I found one |
| 00:34.09 | DeadZergling | the end :P |
| 00:34.29 | Nytemare3701 | classic example: |
| 00:34.30 | Nytemare3701 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqT0iFZifgw |
| 00:34.40 | Nytemare3701 | (annoying for those who aren't fond of anime music. |
| 00:35.38 | DeadZergling | annoying for anyone once they spot the length |
| 00:35.53 | Nytemare3701 | (note that the chorus is also the opener, bridged with a refrain) |
| 00:37.10 | Nytemare3701 | Another example that uses the song's natural ending to start a new loop without being intrusive. |
| 00:37.11 | DeadZergling | Yea, I just concluded I'm nowhere near enough of a musician to be giving this much of a crap about perfectly flowing reloops, and that people will be too busy fighting to survive to care either, lol |
| 00:37.11 | Nytemare3701 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGgELagiSk |
| 00:37.26 | Nytemare3701 | As long as your loop doesn't jar them then you are good. |
| 00:37.37 | DeadZergling | they aren't like terrible, just aren't what I know to be good |
| 00:38.09 | DeadZergling | yea, you can tell it is restarting, but it isn't annoying |
| 00:38.16 | DeadZergling | can spot the restart on your anime bit pretty easy |
| 00:39.03 | Nytemare3701 | Both are fairly easy to spot, but they aren't jarring. |
| 00:39.35 | DeadZergling | Aye! (in Happy voice) |
| 00:39.48 | Nytemare3701 | Are you watching season 2? |
| 00:39.52 | DeadZergling | okay, turning that second one off, Dr. Mario can go fuck himself |
| 00:40.20 | DeadZergling | no idea what season I'm on, I am waiting for new manga |
| 00:40.25 | DeadZergling | is where I'm at with that one |
| 00:41.04 | Nytemare3701 | Ah. The anime just restarted last week. |
| 00:41.12 | Nytemare3701 | New animation team, closer visually to the manga |
| 00:41.16 | DeadZergling | aye, I can understand the anime better than the manga |
| 00:41.25 | Dustin | wooot |
| 00:41.29 | DeadZergling | I will be sure NOT to talk about that so I don't ruin it for you |
| 00:41.37 | Dustin | Made a shared melee extension mod in 2 days |
| 00:41.50 | Nytemare3701 | Dustin, wat? |
| 00:42.06 | Dustin | Remember the Shared Melee gamemode in sc1? |
| 00:42.26 | Nytemare3701 | Wait, the one where you can share units? |
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| 00:42.33 | Dustin | yup |
| 00:42.34 | Nytemare3701 | and you pool resources? |
| 00:42.48 | DeadZergling | anywho, going afk for awhile, can attempt to find another music piece later |
| 00:42.50 | Dustin | yup |
| 00:42.59 | Nytemare3701 | Nice. I'll have to try that later. |
| 00:43.20 | Nytemare3701 | I was always fond of the Kings and Knights UMS games, which were an offshoot of the concept. |
| 00:43.25 | Nytemare3701 | Same with Merchants |
| 00:43.40 | Dustin | ya i liked those maps too |
| 00:43.42 | Nytemare3701 | In fact, one of my backburner maps is a Merchants map, because the current one on SC2 is shit |
| 00:44.40 | Nytemare3701 | Now that I think about it, I could probably make a decent amount of donation money just porting classic SC2 maps. |
| 00:44.51 | Nytemare3701 | SC:BW* |
| 00:45.05 | Nytemare3701 | Many of the old maps were insanely simple trigger-wise. |
| 01:03.57 | Dustin | Buahaha, Shared Melee mode done |
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| 01:45.16 | paynis | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.27 | paynis | Seems like I am not using the right path... but I tried many and none work. |
| 01:45.32 | paynis | Anyone knows the right one? |
| 01:46.00 | paynis | I want to move the Tooltip Panel that comes up when you mouse-over a Command Card's Button |
| 01:49.34 | paynis | pirate, Ahli, A1win? :D |
| 01:49.47 | pirate | hm |
| 01:50.31 | pirate | you change the default UI by modifying the UI layout files (can be done in GUI) not through triggers, I believe |
| 01:50.35 | pirate | or at least that's how I do it |
| 01:51.13 | Ahli | path is correct |
| 01:51.14 | pirate | Module > UI |
| 01:51.54 | paynis | I have looked through UI |
| 01:51.59 | paynis | I tried all the possible outcomes |
| 01:52.02 | paynis | and they all return an error |
| 01:52.04 | pirate | https://pastee.org/3jbqr |
| 01:52.09 | paynis | it seems to be the only part of the Command Card UI I can't move |
| 01:52.38 | paynis | well as you can see, pirate, I have entered the right path |
| 01:52.43 | paynis | why do I get a "cannot be hooked up" error? |
| 01:53.06 | pirate | thats the file I used to attach the tooltips to my inventory items |
| 01:53.19 | paynis | "UI: Frame [UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel/CommandTooltip] not able to be hooked up in [GameUI]" |
| 01:53.52 | pirate | because you're trying to do something crazy with triggers |
| 01:53.57 | Ahli | CommandTooltip is the type. Try other frame types |
| 01:54.00 | paynis | oh, just switched "Panel" to "Tooltip", let's see how that goes |
| 01:54.40 | Ahli | does anyone know a program to edit swf files? |
| 01:54.53 | paynis | darn |
| 01:54.59 | Ahli | I just want to replace an image inside one of Blizzard's swf files |
| 01:55.00 | paynis | now it doesn'T give me an error, but it doesn't move it properly |
| 01:55.10 | paynis | swf files? I used to work with that |
| 01:55.18 | pirate | flash? |
| 01:55.18 | paynis | can't you use Flash Player? |
| 01:55.23 | paynis | or whatever that thing was called |
| 01:55.31 | paynis | I remember making games in ActionScript with that program |
| 01:55.44 | Ahli | I don't want to play it, I want to edit its resources :< |
| 01:56.06 | paynis | I recall swf files cannot be opened bythemselves though: they have some kind of protection or whatever. You have to find a "hackish" program for that online |
| 01:56.23 | paynis | I used to have one so I know it exists, at least :) |
| 01:58.47 | paynis | hmm, weirdly enough, I tried a whole bunch of different types and nothing would work, so Itried "Panel" again and SOMEHOW it works |
| 01:58.57 | paynis | what kind of sorcery is GalaxyEditor trying to pull on me now? |
| 01:59.05 | paynis | oh, by "works" I mean it doesn't return an error |
| 01:59.12 | paynis | it still won't get the damn thing to MOVE! D:< |
| 01:59.36 | Ahli | yes, I'm currently trying out programs I find online =/ |
| 02:02.59 | paynis | reskjghrleighrel, why won't this thing work! |
| 02:03.11 | paynis | it worked perfectly fine when I'd do it on XML in another map |
| 02:03.25 | paynis | this is probably the first time the Trigger-way is actually harder than another way |
| 02:03.34 | paynis | but I have to do it the trigger way T_T |
| 02:04.00 | paynis | unless you tell me there is a way to switch dynamically, via triggers, between different sets of custom UIs I would've made in the UI Module? |
| 02:08.45 | Ahli | there might be a way... anchor it to other frames and make them <CollapsedLayout val="true"/> and hook those. THen use show/hide to control if they are visible (=have height & width) or not. |
| 02:16.33 | paynis | what is CollapsedLayout val for, Ahli? :o |
| 02:16.47 | paynis | and that would be a technique to make the UIs with the Module, or the Trigger, you mean? |
| 02:17.36 | Ahli | invisible frame will have height of 0 and width of 0 |
| 02:17.59 | Ahli | that would be a way to move a frame that you can't hook up |
| 02:18.26 | Ahli | alternatively you could try to anchor it to another frame that you just move around |
| 02:18.31 | Ahli | might be way easier >_> |
| 02:33.39 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/WWX5D.jpg did it :> |
| 02:38.13 | paynis | Ahli, did what? :o |
| 02:38.30 | Ahli | I've edited an swf file |
| 02:38.42 | paynis | ah, gj :) |
| 02:39.28 | Ahli | now I can stylize the observer UI comparison panels that you can show/hide in the middle of the screen |
| 02:40.11 | Ahli | I'm limited to replacing the image inside it, but that's enough |
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| 03:14.36 | paynis | Which UI Frame is the one that comes up once you selected an Ability you are targetting? (It shows a mouse with what Left-click and Right-click respectively do.) |
| 03:17.19 | EntityEnigma | can anyone tell me how i might set up a one shot beam actor to work with an ability |
| 03:18.21 | EntityEnigma | i found a tutorial to set them up to work with weapons but the fields for abilities seem to be different |
| 03:20.16 | Ahli | paynis RowText0 RowText1 and RowText2 |
| 03:20.23 | Ahli | all are labels |
| 03:20.49 | paynis | they all three would consist in that whole thing? |
| 03:20.55 | paynis | or you are suggesting one of them would be the right one? |
| 03:22.05 | DeltaVelocity | the mouse with 2 buttons? |
| 03:22.12 | DeltaVelocity | CommandTargetImage |
| 03:22.16 | DeltaVelocity | CommandTargetPrompt |
| 03:22.24 | DeltaVelocity | and CommandTargetName |
| 03:22.48 | Ahli | the row texts are what simplecommandcard shows |
| 03:23.21 | DeltaVelocity | ah ok |
| 03:23.27 | Ahli | right click to move, A and click to attack, etc |
| 03:23.28 | DeltaVelocity | I have that turned off |
| 03:23.37 | DeltaVelocity | but I still get the mouse image etc. |
| 03:24.11 | Ahli | DeltaVelocity: what you use is the abilty and the ability name and the ability targeting description |
| 03:25.32 | DeltaVelocity | Yeah, isn't that what he's talking about? |
| 03:26.02 | Ahli | the left and right mouse button things seemed like the simple command card tips |
| 03:26.05 | paynis | I'm lost |
| 03:26.15 | paynis | what is the difference between Ahli's 3 options and Delta's ? |
| 03:26.49 | Ahli | DeltaVelocity's elements are: the abilty icon and the ability name and the ability targeting description |
| 03:27.16 | Ahli | I'm describing the three rows that can belong to a simple command card with right click to move, etc |
| 03:27.43 | Ahli | btw, use ingame UI editor and move the things until you find what you want to edit |
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| 03:29.30 | Bounty | pew |
| 03:34.58 | paynis | Ahli, where is that ingame UI editor?!? |
| 03:35.07 | paynis | does Blizzard also have an ingame Dialog editor? :O |
| 03:35.38 | RooKz | its in the galaxy editor |
| 03:35.42 | RooKz | up at the top |
| 03:35.55 | RooKz | shift + f6 |
| 03:36.22 | RooKz | or is that not what you're talking about? |
| 03:36.43 | paynis | that is the in-editor one |
| 03:36.49 | paynis | Ahli talked about an in-game one :o |
| 03:36.57 | RooKz | I've never heard of that |
| 03:37.11 | RooKz | I heard of an observer UI editor |
| 03:37.16 | DeltaVelocity | ctrl+alt+f12 |
| 03:37.35 | DeltaVelocity | ing ame |
| 03:38.03 | DeltaVelocity | but some of the things dont work when you change them |
| 03:39.32 | paynis | this is amazing! O_O |
| 03:40.36 | paynis | holy mother of god |
| 03:40.41 | paynis | since when does Blizzard have that thing |
| 03:41.44 | Nytemare3701 | ctrl+alt+f12 for me opens a help menu. |
| 03:42.17 | Nytemare3701 | nvm, ctrl and alt aren't doing anything at all. |
| 03:43.17 | RooKz | that's pretty sick, but I can't change anything |
| 03:43.45 | Nytemare3701 | rebound it to another combination |
| 03:43.46 | Nytemare3701 | :-D |
| 03:44.06 | RooKz | does locking camera controls lock the editor as well? |
| 03:44.12 | RooKz | because I can't modify anything |
| 03:47.27 | DeltaVelocity | yeah not everything is changeable atm |
| 03:47.49 | RooKz | well what if nothing is changeable? |
| 03:48.05 | RooKz | I tried every single UI piece on screen |
| 03:48.14 | RooKz | and btw you can change dialogs with it too...if it worked |
| 03:48.40 | Nytemare3701 | anyone know why ctrl and alt aren't being read for hotkeys? |
| 03:48.56 | Nytemare3701 | Trying to open the ui editor, keep getting f12 help instead. |
| 03:49.28 | RooKz | might be a keyboard problem? |
| 03:49.36 | Nytemare3701 | Working fine everywhere else. |
| 03:49.47 | Nytemare3701 | Also, Alt+f11 works to open social |
| 03:50.01 | paynis | you are in the editor or the game itself? :p |
| 03:50.04 | RooKz | maybe ctrl is screwed up |
| 03:50.07 | Nytemare3701 | in the game >.> |
| 03:50.11 | paynis | try the other Ctrl and the other Alt |
| 03:50.16 | Nytemare3701 | Tried em. |
| 03:50.18 | Nytemare3701 | No go |
| 03:50.23 | paynis | you are doomed |
| 03:50.28 | paynis | suffer and cry on your faith |
| 03:50.30 | RooKz | lol |
| 03:50.37 | RooKz | look up on google |
| 03:50.40 | paynis | you shall never discover this 8th World's Wonder |
| 03:50.44 | RooKz | type in your keyboard model and whatever |
| 03:50.51 | RooKz | and type in the problem |
| 03:50.58 | RooKz | and maybe mention sc2 |
| 03:50.59 | paynis | try maybe pressing Shift 5 times in a row very quickly |
| 03:51.02 | paynis | and activate that thing |
| 03:51.07 | paynis | then press Ctrl + alt +f12 separately |
| 03:51.53 | Simca__ | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+my+X+so+bad+at+everything |
| 03:51.59 | Simca__ | replace X with keyboard model |
| 03:52.50 | Nytemare3701 | ...ctrl works just fine to make control groups. |
| 03:52.55 | Nytemare3701 | It is JUST this command. |
| 03:53.17 | RooKz | maybe ctrl and alt at the same time causes the problem |
| 03:53.27 | RooKz | maybe 3 keys at the same time causes the problem |
| 03:53.53 | Simca__ | 2kro would be a new low for a keyboard |
| 03:54.17 | Nytemare3701 | I use ctrl alt delete just fine. |
| 03:54.19 | Nytemare3701 | same key. |
| 03:54.23 | paynis | rofl |
| 03:54.26 | Nytemare3701 | This is a SC2 problem, not my keyboard. |
| 03:54.39 | RooKz | ok, now that you mentioned all that |
| 03:54.41 | RooKz | I believe you |
| 03:54.46 | Nytemare3701 | I'm asking here because I've already ruled out the keyboard >.> |
| 03:54.56 | RooKz | complain and cry at blizzard now |
| 03:55.26 | Nytemare3701 | What's up with you? I asked a simple question, you don't have to be a dick about it. |
| 03:55.40 | RooKz | lol, I didn't mean to sound like that |
| 03:55.54 | RooKz | from my perspective I'm being generous |
| 03:56.02 | RooKz | alright though, I've never had this problem |
| 03:56.09 | RooKz | so I'll try looking it up |
| 03:56.20 | RooKz | unless you tried that and you think I shouldn't try |
| 03:56.37 | Nytemare3701 | I have a half dozen tabs open, doing exactly that. |
| 03:56.43 | Nytemare3701 | Help is welcome though. |
| 03:56.44 | RooKz | alright |
| 03:56.49 | Ahli | UI editor only opens when you are in editor test mode |
| 03:57.09 | Nytemare3701 | OK, see that's good info. |
| 03:57.10 | Nytemare3701 | -_- |
| 03:57.16 | Nytemare3701 | I was testing it in normal SC2. |
| 03:57.22 | Ahli | ;) |
| 03:57.36 | Nytemare3701 | Ahli gets another cookie :-D |
| 03:57.42 | Ahli | ok, 6am, time to sleep |
| 03:59.23 | RooKz | Yeah well, I just learned about this, so I would've never known |
| 03:59.29 | RooKz | until now |
| 03:59.36 | RooKz | sorry about that :) |
| 03:59.53 | Nytemare3701 | np. |
| 04:00.16 | Nytemare3701 | Maybe I can finally edit my stupid resources to show Lumber/Gold/Gems instead of Minerals/Gas/Terrazine |
| 04:00.39 | paynis | Ahli op. |
| 04:00.55 | paynis | anyone knows how I can unanchor a Hooked Frame from its original anchor? |
| 04:01.05 | paynis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.08 | paynis | that one, for example |
| 04:01.31 | paynis | I want to move it to the Bottom Right of the SCREEN, but it only lets me do it to the bottom right of the Command Card Panel |
| 04:02.30 | RooKz | can you make the command card panel fill the whole screen and be made invisible? |
| 04:03.23 | paynis | huh, no idea |
| 04:03.30 | RooKz | idk how the system works, but that's what I can think of |
| 04:03.43 | paynis | but I am using the Command Card Panel to move Buttons inside it, so I'd rather have it visible most probably? |
| 04:04.49 | DeltaVelocity | not sure if you can take it out of the command panel with triggers |
| 04:04.56 | RooKz | use a dialog as background in replacement of command card panel? |
| 04:05.30 | DeltaVelocity | would either have to increase size of command panel like rookz said, or modify it in UI editor |
| 04:05.43 | DeltaVelocity | so that it isn't part of the command panel |
| 04:06.48 | RooKz | I tend to use the strengths of the different parts of the editor |
| 04:06.57 | RooKz | so I'd change that bit in data, personally |
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| 04:09.07 | RooKz | you know, 3 years ago, mapster's recent threads would be between 1 and 20 minutes each |
| 04:09.23 | RooKz | now it goes up to 2 hours, like right now |
| 04:09.33 | RooKz | especially at this time of day |
| 04:10.48 | paynis | DeltaVelocity, how do I change the size of command panel with triggers? |
| 04:11.06 | paynis | Unfortunately for me, I must do all those things with triggers because I am alternating between different UIs mid-game |
| 04:15.20 | DeltaVelocity | just use set dialog item size |
| 04:15.31 | DeltaVelocity | on the command panel that you hooked up |
| 04:16.31 | DeltaVelocity | if you want it to take up the full screen use set dialog item size to parent (I think that will work anyway) |
| 04:20.47 | paynis | I still can't get to move the Abilities's description Tooltip UI Frame. :( |
| 04:22.21 | DeltaVelocity | best bet would probably be anchor it to another frame in the ui editor |
| 04:22.26 | DeltaVelocity | then move the other frame with triggers |
| 04:37.30 | paynis | but it is already anchored to the Command Panel |
| 04:37.34 | paynis | how comes it doesn't move with it? |
| 04:37.49 | paynis | does hooking up the Command Panel prevent its anchored sub-frames to follow it, DeltaVelocity? |
| 05:04.38 | DeltaVelocity | nope otherwise the command buttons wouldnt move with it |
| 05:05.02 | DeltaVelocity | I'm pretty sure the tooltip is actually anchored to the parent of commandpanel |
| 05:06.17 | paynis | DeltaVelocity, what is that parent? How do I change it with triggers? :o |
| 05:09.41 | DeltaVelocity | ok no it's not |
| 05:09.44 | DeltaVelocity | hmm |
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| 05:21.07 | DeltaVelocity | apparently it's anchored to bottom right of command panel with y offset -270 |
| 05:21.30 | DeltaVelocity | not sure why it doesn't move |
| 05:34.32 | paynis | DeltaVelocity, you see anything wrong with that: http://pastebin.com/h2sZk9UF ? |
| 05:35.45 | paynis | Testing it locally works fine. The first time I test it, I get an error for the Tooltip frame. But then when I test again, it doesn't show up anymore, somehow. Then I publish it because my UI Mover works fine. Then I go online, test it with other players, and it doesn't work anymore?! I come back locally, test it, and the FIRST TEST never works, but then the subsequent ones do (without changing ANYTHING). WHAT THE FUCK? |
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| 05:40.11 | DeltaVelocity_ | wait you got the tooltip to move? |
| 05:41.12 | paynis | no I haven't |
| 05:41.14 | paynis | and I don't understand why |
| 05:41.18 | paynis | the trigger as you see it should work |
| 05:41.21 | paynis | but it just doesn't. |
| 05:41.51 | paynis | and once again, tested locally, on the 2+ tries, everything works fine (except the tooltip frame which never moves, though it doesn't give errors anymore after the 1st try) |
| 05:42.01 | paynis | and once again, test online, nothing works... |
| 05:42.03 | paynis | it's weird.. |
| 05:42.07 | paynis | what changes between local and online tests?! |
| 05:42.15 | DeltaVelocity_ | ... |
| 05:42.38 | paynis | ill copy-apste |
| 05:42.43 | paynis | [01:39] <DeltaVelocity_> wait you got the tooltip to move? |
| 05:42.46 | DeltaVelocity_ | did you test online with only 1 player? |
| 05:42.49 | paynis | [01:40] <paynis> no I haven't |
| 05:42.51 | paynis | [01:40] <paynis> and I don't understand why |
| 05:42.53 | paynis | [01:40] <paynis> the trigger as you see it should work |
| 05:42.56 | paynis | [01:40] <paynis> but it just doesn't. |
| 05:42.59 | paynis | [01:41] <paynis> and once again, tested locally, on the 2+ tries, everything works fine (except the tooltip frame which never moves, though it doesn't give errors anymore after the 1st try) |
| 05:43.01 | paynis | [01:41] <paynis> and once again, test online, nothing works... |
| 05:43.04 | paynis | [01:41] <paynis> it's weird.. |
| 05:43.06 | paynis | there you go |
| 05:43.33 | DeltaVelocity_ | how many players did you test with |
| 05:45.16 | paynis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.21 | paynis | this is an exmaple of how I call my function |
| 05:45.27 | paynis | it's the one I've been testing with, at the very least |
| 05:46.23 | paynis | what is weird is that I can't even cast an ability with the hotkey, which suggest that the Command Card is HIDDEN, rather than MOVED |
| 05:46.45 | paynis | I tested with 4, 6, 6, 2, 2, 1, 1 (online, in order) |
| 05:46.51 | paynis | #players |
| 05:47.20 | paynis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.31 | paynis | is moving to 9999,9999 too much and breaks it online but not locally? |
| 05:49.58 | DeltaVelocity_ | doubt it |
| 05:50.11 | Bounty | pew |
| 05:50.18 | paynis | bounty, help a fella! |
| 05:50.25 | paynis | I'm in deep shit and don't understand why T_T |
| 05:50.30 | DeltaVelocity_ | did your INITIALIZATION TRIGGER work online though? |
| 05:50.30 | Bounty | what is the problem |
| 05:50.51 | paynis | http://pastebin.com/h2sZk9UF < running this with " Hide UI Frame(True, True, True, False, Init Minigame - CC Buttons, True)" gives me REALLY weird results |
| 05:50.54 | Bounty | btw paynis |
| 05:50.57 | Bounty | post it here |
| 05:50.58 | Bounty | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 05:51.03 | paynis | [01:35] <paynis> Testing it locally works fine. The first time I test it, I get an error for the Tooltip frame. But then when I test again, it doesn't show up anymore, somehow. Then I publish it because my UI Mover works fine. Then I go online, test it with other players, and it doesn't work anymore?! I come back locally, test it, and the FIRST TEST never works, but then the subsequent ones do (without changing ANYTHING). WHAT THE |
| 05:51.04 | Bounty | helps a lot |
| 05:52.19 | paynis | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3402 + http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3404 |
| 05:53.37 | paynis | the only part of that Hide UI Frame trigger which doesn't work is the one concerning the "Command Card Panel" parameter |
| 05:54.16 | Bounty | wait |
| 05:54.24 | Bounty | why did you link two triggers |
| 05:54.38 | Bounty | that is my first question |
| 05:54.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:54.59 | paynis | first trigger shows you what I'm hooking on what variable |
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| 05:59.22 | paynis | this is non-sense and is pisses me off |
| 05:59.23 | paynis | D:< |
| 06:00.05 | Bounty | what is the issue exactly |
| 06:00.24 | paynis | I solated the part you want to look at and added comments: http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3405 |
| 06:00.40 | paynis | the issue is as follow: "Testing it locally works fine. The first time I test it, I get an error for the Tooltip frame. But then when I test again, it doesn't show up anymore, somehow. Then I publish it because my UI Mover works fine. Then I go online, test it with other players, and it doesn't work anymore?! I come back locally, test it, and the FIRST TEST never works, but then the subsequent ones do (without changing ANYTHING). W |
| 06:02.04 | Bounty | since its late |
| 06:02.13 | Bounty | I will give you the most basic of responses |
| 06:02.17 | Bounty | switch to all players |
| 06:02.21 | Bounty | and have a condition |
| 06:02.27 | paynis | I actually had that before |
| 06:02.29 | Bounty | Player is Active |
| 06:02.59 | paynis | the Pick Each Player in Active Player doesn't seem to be the source of the problem |
| 06:03.20 | Bounty | also |
| 06:03.25 | Bounty | you have a blank else |
| 06:03.28 | Bounty | at the bottom |
| 06:03.30 | Bounty | why? |
| 06:03.37 | Helral | meows |
| 06:04.14 | Helral | tip: if it seems glitchy using map initialization event, try using 0,01 gametime seconds expired. |
| 06:05.10 | paynis | a blank else? where exactly? |
| 06:05.45 | paynis | oh, that's because I don't need to fill it |
| 06:05.52 | paynis | the variable I am checking is a boolean |
| 06:06.12 | paynis | I check if it's True, then if it's not I make sure it is False |
| 06:06.22 | paynis | but it just can't be anything else so I don't need that Else to be filled |
| 06:06.51 | DeltaVelocity_ | btw paynis |
| 06:06.58 | DeltaVelocity_ | else is the same as checking as its false |
| 06:07.04 | DeltaVelocity_ | because if its not true its false |
| 06:07.15 | DeltaVelocity_ | like this http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3406 |
| 06:07.21 | DeltaVelocity_ | is exact same as this |
| 06:07.21 | DeltaVelocity_ | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3407 |
| 06:09.11 | paynis | yeah, I just changed all those things into "If-Then-Else-If"s |
| 06:09.54 | DeltaVelocity_ | ah |
| 06:11.00 | paynis | are people actually looking at this thing or I'm waiting for no reason? XD |
| 06:11.16 | Helral | paynis: what is the event that you use? |
| 06:11.23 | paynis | cuz my I have spent 6 hours trying to get this mother fucking shit to work and I'm kinda reaching that point where I'm just fed up with it |
| 06:11.33 | paynis | it's an Action Definition |
| 06:11.54 | Helral | so what is the event that you use to call the Action Definition? |
| 06:12.25 | Helral | the problem might not lie in the code but the moment you call it, did you check that? |
| 06:13.48 | EntityEnigma | is there a certain range that models stop working at? |
| 06:13.55 | paynis | I know it is being called properly since other actions in the trigger that runs this action are ran properly |
| 06:13.59 | EntityEnigma | by range i mean distance |
| 06:14.29 | EntityEnigma | im tryin to get a beam model to play for a 1 shot ability |
| 06:14.35 | EntityEnigma | the range is 22 |
| 06:14.47 | EntityEnigma | was wondering if it wont play cause its too long |
| 06:15.36 | Helral | paynis: you say you get errors the first time you run it locally. |
| 06:15.56 | Helral | but consequetive calls work fine. |
| 06:16.13 | paynis | yeah, but then I return inside the editor without closing the testing window, and click the Test Map button again, and SOMEHOW the error just goes away... |
| 06:16.27 | paynis | yet triggers run the exact same way >_> |
| 06:16.44 | Helral | then you probably are using a map initialization event instead of 0,01 gametime seconds passed. |
| 06:17.25 | Helral | the first time it wasn't entirely done loading the ui elements when your event triggered. the second time it is loaded because sc2 has already run with that map. |
| 06:18.55 | paynis | but doesn't it run the game init trigger anyways? |
| 06:19.02 | paynis | and why does it not work online at all? |
| 06:20.23 | Helral | I might not have your problem entirely clear, but so far it sounds more like an initialization problem then a code problem. |
| 06:20.52 | Helral | Online you need to close the game to start a new game. during testing you don't. (quite a difference) |
| 06:21.08 | duckies | EntityEnigma some beams won't display when launched off-screen (for example archon beam) it's the models issue and can only be fixed by modifyig some values in the model itself |
| 06:21.30 | paynis | but then how comes my second test online doesn't work, just like the first online test? |
| 06:22.06 | Helral | same reason, you've closed the game. |
| 06:22.12 | EntityEnigma | duckies: thanks man, i dont think thats the problem though |
| 06:22.34 | Helral | the game in this case refers to the map not sc2 itself. |
| 06:22.44 | EntityEnigma | even if the target and the user are in the same screen it wont play |
| 06:22.48 | EntityEnigma | i tired changing the range too |
| 06:22.58 | duckies | oh, so beam doesn't work at all? |
| 06:23.06 | EntityEnigma | yeah |
| 06:23.16 | duckies | tried to switching it to other beam models? |
| 06:23.26 | EntityEnigma | not yet |
| 06:23.31 | EntityEnigma | maybe i should try thtat |
| 06:23.53 | duckies | do that |
| 06:23.53 | EntityEnigma | maybe the dark voidray one isnt a good model to use |
| 06:23.57 | EntityEnigma | k |
| 06:25.38 | paynis | I'll try your thing, Helral |
| 06:25.42 | paynis | i'm publishing the updated event |
| 06:25.48 | paynis | report back in 3 minutes |
| 06:29.44 | paynis | Halral, nope, didn't fix anything |
| 06:29.52 | paynis | I added Text messages in my trigger to see what was happening |
| 06:30.10 | paynis | it runs correctly |
| 06:30.36 | paynis | but it seems like it's not finding the Dialog Items it should move, but it shoots no error saying so |
| 06:31.40 | Helral | hmmm |
| 06:31.56 | paynis | also, with that Elapsed Time set to 0.0625, I still get the error on the first test |
| 06:32.07 | Helral | Guess I'll need to bootup my sc2editor.... been a while XD |
| 06:32.27 | EntityEnigma | duckies: i set the beam actor to use the colossus model and it worked |
| 06:32.36 | paynis | :D |
| 06:32.55 | duckies | ooh |
| 06:33.08 | duckies | maybe void ray has different animation names |
| 06:33.26 | paynis | again, it looks like the Dialog Items just DISAPPEAR |
| 06:33.32 | EntityEnigma | whats that mean |
| 06:33.40 | paynis | since I cannot cast abilities with the hotkeys even though they should only be MOVED elsewhere |
| 06:33.48 | EntityEnigma | its that something to do with the actor? |
| 06:34.03 | Helral | then they are hidden if you cannot use the hotkeys. |
| 06:34.10 | duckies | each model has different animations such as "attack, walk, work" etc. |
| 06:34.30 | duckies | beams usually have something like "stand" for their standard animation |
| 06:34.51 | duckies | but some beams may not have "stand" but for example "work" |
| 06:34.52 | EntityEnigma | is there a way to look up what names the model uses? |
| 06:35.04 | paynis | but I specifically use a "Show Dialog Item" action to show them |
| 06:35.10 | EntityEnigma | i think i know what you are talking about |
| 06:35.17 | duckies | yeah, when you pick model -> view it in the previewer |
| 06:35.19 | paynis | and how comes they would show up on the second test locally but not the first then |
| 06:35.34 | Helral | paynis: ahh that is what goes wrong. |
| 06:35.44 | paynis | :O |
| 06:35.46 | Helral | at least for the hotkeys I think. |
| 06:35.56 | Helral | moment reading your trigger again |
| 06:36.11 | duckies | there in the bottom part there is a blue animation timeline displaying current animations name, right click on it and see what other animations it has |
| 06:36.13 | Helral | hmmm nope it doesn't hide what I thought it would hide... |
| 06:36.17 | paynis | does showing up a dialog item have any chance of ruining something? |
| 06:36.23 | Helral | weird.... shouldn't be a problem like that... |
| 06:36.27 | paynis | (just like hiding the Game Mouse twice will permanently hide it) |
| 06:36.27 | EntityEnigma | ok cool let me try it |
| 06:36.42 | Helral | don't think you need to show them, they're already visible aren't they? |
| 06:37.12 | duckies | anyway, beam usually has an actor too, and in actors events it usually instructs it to play it's Birth/Stand/Death animations. If beam has differently named animations it won't work :D |
| 06:37.22 | duckies | you'd need to use approporiate names |
| 06:37.40 | EntityEnigma | yeah i think i know where to change that maybe |
| 06:38.20 | EntityEnigma | but you were refering to the change animation drop down menu in the previewer when you right click the current animation name in the blue bar below the red one which is the name? |
| 06:38.35 | paynis | they are |
| 06:38.48 | paynis | the bug is just pure non-sense, I'm telling ya |
| 06:38.58 | Helral | also UI - Hide Console Panel for (Player group((Picked player))) <-- console panel contains minimap, infopanel and command card |
| 06:38.59 | duckies | in animation previewer you just check out the names |
| 06:39.26 | EntityEnigma | yeah im just trying to make sure im looking at the right part |
| 06:39.34 | Helral | I was looking for that one. if you hide the console panel you loose those other 3 panels as well. |
| 06:39.47 | Helral | at least some functionality of it. |
| 06:39.55 | Helral | if not them entirely. |
| 06:40.25 | EntityEnigma | looks like it has attack02 - attack06, death, GLstand, and GLbirth |
| 06:40.41 | paynis | oh, my, fucking, god. I think I found the problem... one of my partners I'm mapping with added a stupid Hide Command Panel somewhere ina random trigger... OMFG |
| 06:40.46 | paynis | that's 3 hours WASTED |
| 06:40.55 | Helral | ow.... :( |
| 06:40.56 | EntityEnigma | cant figure out why there are so many attacks |
| 06:40.56 | duckies | makes sense since I remember that void ray beam had different charge phases |
| 06:41.01 | Helral | yup. |
| 06:41.03 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 06:41.26 | duckies | yeah, his attack had ~ 3 charge pahses initially |
| 06:41.26 | EntityEnigma | what could i use if i just wanted it to look like the ability is firing a green laser |
| 06:41.27 | Bounty | I am seeing so many rare/unknown names..... am I trippin balls? |
| 06:41.37 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 06:41.44 | EntityEnigma | so some are old? |
| 06:41.57 | duckies | just check them all out |
| 06:42.01 | duckies | some should be thinner |
| 06:42.05 | duckies | some thicker |
| 06:42.12 | EntityEnigma | hehe cool man |
| 06:42.15 | EntityEnigma | thanks a bunch btw |
| 06:42.34 | duckies | to fire "attack02" you'll need to use "atttack"&"variaton 02" |
| 06:42.40 | paynis | jesus christ |
| 06:42.43 | Helral | nevermind that bit about the console panel, seems to be fixed.... in the old days (read 3 - 4 years ago) it happened as I said. XD |
| 06:42.47 | paynis | I cannot belive I wasted all that time on that stupid shit |
| 06:42.47 | EntityEnigma | oh both of them? |
| 06:42.55 | EntityEnigma | ooh i see what you mean |
| 06:43.04 | paynis | well |
| 06:43.18 | paynis | Helrel, I thank you anyways for genuinely trying to help out :) |
| 06:43.23 | paynis | Halral* |
| 06:43.25 | Helral | seems they even added a search functionality to the trigger editor... didn't know that... |
| 06:43.28 | paynis | Helral* >_> |
| 06:43.35 | Helral | lol, no problem XD third times the charm :P |
| 06:44.18 | duckies | whatm there's a search functionality in gui? |
| 06:44.40 | Helral | I hit ctrl+f in the trigger editor and got a search box. :P |
| 06:44.45 | paynis | good night y'all |
| 06:44.47 | duckies | :o |
| 06:49.02 | EntityEnigma | hmmm |
| 06:50.00 | EntityEnigma | I did birth (global loop), attack, varriation 06, death |
| 06:50.07 | EntityEnigma | do i need a stand aswell? |
| 06:52.30 | EntityEnigma | does the order matter? |
| 06:54.01 | EntityEnigma | oooh what about flags |
| 06:54.04 | EntityEnigma | non looping? |
| 06:55.16 | EntityEnigma | nope that didnt do it |
| 06:56.56 | EntityEnigma | duckies: still cant seem to get it to work |
| 06:57.31 | duckies | ah |
| 06:57.52 | EntityEnigma | the beam actor im using is a beam simple animation style one shot |
| 06:57.55 | EntityEnigma | should it be a different one? |
| 06:57.56 | duckies | which action you're using? |
| 06:58.26 | EntityEnigma | action? |
| 06:58.37 | EntityEnigma | is that the message in the events? |
| 06:58.47 | duckies | yeah |
| 06:58.52 | duckies | is it bracket |
| 06:59.01 | duckies | or just play animation? |
| 06:59.29 | EntityEnigma | actor creation and then animation play |
| 06:59.44 | duckies | anyway, the simplies thing for you would be "Actor created->play animation "Attack""Variation06" |
| 06:59.53 | duckies | try it |
| 06:59.57 | EntityEnigma | ok |
| 07:01.09 | EntityEnigma | do i need to worry about blend and time variant fields below? |
| 07:01.44 | duckies | nah |
| 07:01.59 | duckies | at least not for this thing |
| 07:02.05 | duckies | just leave everything default |
| 07:03.37 | EntityEnigma | still not working |
| 07:04.06 | EntityEnigma | i might have to start over and build everthing again cause some fields are set up according to prozaicmuses tutorial |
| 07:04.32 | duckies | oh, you followed the tutorial |
| 07:04.51 | duckies | eh, I usually just duplicate existing stuff and then adjust it to fit my needs |
| 07:04.53 | EntityEnigma | the first on for the "lancer" |
| 07:04.55 | duckies | it usually works |
| 07:06.25 | duckies | ah |
| 07:06.38 | duckies | you want it to be a burst attack? not a channeled beam |
| 07:06.47 | EntityEnigma | correct |
| 07:07.08 | duckies | I hope that beam isn't destroyed right after it's created |
| 07:07.15 | duckies | since it's instant |
| 07:07.43 | EntityEnigma | oh the void ray one |
| 07:07.45 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 07:08.01 | EntityEnigma | so would that mean there is no animation |
| 07:08.05 | EntityEnigma | for the beam |
| 07:08.29 | EntityEnigma | just the channeling |
| 07:09.36 | duckies | probably it's terminated just as it's created. |
| 07:10.07 | EntityEnigma | how does the void ray animation occur then |
| 07:10.26 | duckies | you could check void ray weapon for that answer ^^ |
| 07:10.59 | EntityEnigma | maybe |
| 07:11.12 | EntityEnigma | i need to select the missile for the model instead of the beam |
| 07:11.20 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 07:11.30 | duckies | what, missile? :o |
| 07:12.04 | EntityEnigma | theres a model for the beam and a model for a warp ray missile |
| 07:12.18 | duckies | yea |
| 07:12.33 | duckies | I haven't ever used missile though |
| 07:12.58 | duckies | not that I have used void beam ray model too:D |
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| 07:14.50 | EntityEnigma | maybe ill just make a post on the forums |
| 07:15.27 | EntityEnigma | since it doesnt seem anyone else has tried to figure this out |
| 07:15.28 | EntityEnigma | no posts |
| 07:15.36 | Bounty | what is the issue? |
| 07:15.40 | duckies | was there already a topic on that |
| 07:15.45 | Bounty | If its trigger related I may be able to help |
| 07:16.10 | duckies | he wants to shoot void way beams in bursts |
| 07:16.19 | Bounty | o0o |
| 07:16.27 | Bounty | data :( |
| 07:16.31 | duckies | data |
| 07:16.34 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:16.51 | Bounty | I would do as you just said EntityEnigma and post on the forums |
| 07:16.52 | Bounty | BUT |
| 07:17.02 | Bounty | hang around here as there are quite a few data experts |
| 07:17.19 | Bounty | Wish I could help |
| 07:17.23 | EntityEnigma | yeah i try to stay in the channel as much as possible |
| 07:17.42 | EntityEnigma | i still learned quite a bit just now about actor names thx to duckies |
| 07:18.17 | Bounty | Helral, A1win and Ahli are quire knowledgeable of data |
| 07:18.26 | Bounty | oh I bet |
| 07:18.32 | duckies | anyway, worst case scenario I'll be home in 7hours and will do it then, since it doesn't seem to hard |
| 07:18.36 | Helral | I'm not about actors. |
| 07:19.03 | duckies | sad that kueken isn't around much anymore. he could solve any beam issue in a seconds |
| 07:19.22 | Bounty | Really? Well shit I will henceforth degrade on my data jesus scale Helral |
| 07:19.25 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:19.32 | Bounty | degrade you* |
| 07:19.41 | Helral | :) |
| 07:19.54 | Bounty | many people are not around anymore sadly duckies |
| 07:19.57 | Helral | I'm good with triggers, ui and non-actor data. |
| 07:20.20 | duckies | yea, but there are also some new names, as you pointed out earlier |
| 07:20.25 | Bounty | UI and triggers kind of one in the same, unless you speak of the XML edits |
| 07:20.39 | Helral | sc2layout files ofcourse :P |
| 07:20.58 | Bounty | yeah, anyone who knows how to do anything in the layout files kicks my ass in UI |
| 07:21.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:21.44 | duckies | the wise UI kitteh with an unfinished random dungeon map |
| 07:21.48 | Bounty | I opt for pure triggers while only invoking data as necessary for performance purposes |
| 07:22.18 | Bounty | Ironically duckies |
| 07:22.29 | Helral | Bounty how would you do an auto-train functionality? using triggers or data :P |
| 07:22.32 | Bounty | the people with the most knowledge/wisdom never made a map |
| 07:22.47 | duckies | yea ;/ |
| 07:23.01 | Helral | we're too busy figuring out how to do what, we do not have time to make a map XD |
| 07:23.04 | Bounty | Honestly Helral, I plead ignorance on that |
| 07:23.16 | Bounty | I have a specialty |
| 07:23.20 | duckies | though kueken did finish 1 map =D |
| 07:23.21 | Bounty | and thats about all I can do |
| 07:23.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:24.03 | Bounty | I am that guy who does first/third person games with crazy ideas |
| 07:24.09 | Bounty | thats about it really |
| 07:24.11 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:24.24 | duckies | speaking of specialization/crazy |
| 07:24.31 | duckies | I miss rodrigo :| |
| 07:24.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:24.50 | Bounty | he had no specialization |
| 07:24.56 | Bounty | crazy and creative yes |
| 07:25.02 | Bounty | but not specialization |
| 07:25.13 | duckies | his specialization was making obscure video presentations |
| 07:25.20 | Bounty | ^ |
| 07:25.46 | Bounty | yes, outside of game development specializations he had that |
| 07:26.41 | Bounty | I do find it interesting that you miss Rodrigo and not Mephs |
| 07:26.59 | Bounty | who clearly showed much greater talent |
| 07:27.08 | Bounty | outside of youtube videos |
| 07:27.30 | duckies | eh, from what I remember of mephs form forum posts, he was kinda troll-ish |
| 07:27.41 | Bounty | so am I |
| 07:28.36 | Helral | oww boy did trolls invade sc2mapster again? |
| 07:28.51 | Bounty | eh, not like the old days Helral |
| 07:28.54 | Helral | takes out his +1 longsword of ogre decapatation. |
| 07:28.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:29.30 | duckies | Lately I haven't seen trolls at all |
| 07:29.34 | duckies | just spambots ;/ |
| 07:29.41 | Bounty | I think 50% of my posts were troll and the other 50% were my raging about how I was quitting because of the popularity system |
| 07:29.50 | Bounty | good times |
| 07:30.09 | duckies | oh yea, I almost forgot about you quitting |
| 07:30.11 | duckies | :D\ |
| 07:30.17 | Bounty | I quit about 5 times |
| 07:30.23 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:30.43 | Helral | you quit more often then me, but for shorter durations :P |
| 07:30.49 | Bounty | Ironically I have had a job with a university for the last year making maps |
| 07:31.25 | Bounty | this is true Helral |
| 07:31.34 | Bounty | I would make a post saying "fuck this shit I'm done" |
| 07:31.38 | Bounty | 2 weeks later |
| 07:31.43 | Bounty | "Here is my latest game!" |
| 07:31.45 | Bounty | haha |
| 07:32.02 | Bounty | like I said, good times |
| 07:33.24 | Bounty | If the community when most of us started had a sense a hope as most do now, holy shit |
| 07:33.42 | Bounty | I cannot even imagine the possibilities |
| 07:37.07 | duckies | if b-net/editor was back then as it is now.. |
| 07:38.59 | Bounty | There are many variables that contributed to the way things are now |
| 07:39.25 | Bounty | It really is beyond repair lol |
| 07:39.36 | Bounty | Unless Blizzard goes all out |
| 07:39.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Raziel (~Raziel@78.97.98.119) |
| 07:39.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-245-120.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 07:39.54 | Bounty | Even with that siad |
| 07:39.56 | Bounty | said* |
| 07:40.05 | Bounty | You have to admire Traysent |
| 07:40.43 | Bounty | He really is doing his best to promote the arcade |
| 07:41.06 | Bounty | but from what i've seen. It seems to be just him |
| 07:43.35 | duckies | ~seen blizz-Traysent |
| 07:43.37 | purl | i haven't seen 'blizz-traysent', duckies |
| 07:43.47 | Bounty | My beef is with the fact that I wonder how many great ideas were lost since the editor was launched due to Blizzards incompetence to properly support them |
| 07:43.57 | Bounty | yeah I have his email |
| 07:43.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:44.05 | Bounty | he is a good guy |
| 07:44.21 | Bounty | nuff said, but he is more "new" to this role than Cloaken |
| 07:45.02 | duckies | well, he's probably a cm guy responsible specifically for arcade promotion |
| 07:45.16 | Bounty | most likely |
| 07:45.19 | duckies | it's nice to see the effort though |
| 07:45.50 | Bounty | He really does communicate with the Blizzard developers to get certain issues resolved though |
| 07:46.21 | Bounty | I mean I get it, on the grand scheme of things he is the middle man |
| 07:46.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:46.53 | Bounty | But I am not sure how the fuck to get it into Blizzards head just what this community of minds is capable of |
| 07:47.29 | Bounty | Took them a year to realize I was the same person that made 5 of their favorite games |
| 07:47.40 | duckies | really? :D |
| 07:47.44 | Bounty | yes |
| 07:48.18 | Bounty | they emailed me saying omg we had not idea you are the same person who made Ling Ling Rocket, Photon Discs, Haunted Forest, Gnolls VS Trolls and Doodad Hunt |
| 07:48.27 | Bounty | that was how I got his email |
| 07:48.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:48.49 | duckies | eh, feels like blizz live in their own closed eco-system without any regard for outside world |
| 07:48.51 | Bounty | like... my name is on all of those games |
| 07:49.00 | duckies | except for d3 |
| 07:49.03 | duckies | ^^ |
| 07:49.11 | Bounty | I have been enjoying D3 |
| 07:49.25 | Bounty | until Blizzard started nerfing/bug fixing |
| 07:49.34 | Bounty | I don't get it at all |
| 07:49.59 | Bounty | D3 has no economy and no trading with other players. Players QQ about X issue and it gets nerfed |
| 07:50.06 | Bounty | How does that issue affect you? |
| 07:50.16 | Bounty | no trading, no economy |
| 07:50.26 | Bounty | no community outside of friends/clans |
| 07:50.32 | Bounty | answer? |
| 07:50.42 | Bounty | jealousy |
| 07:51.10 | duckies | no single thing must be stronger than other, blizz are control/balance freaks :3 |
| 07:51.41 | Bounty | Blizzard could have been the haven and platform for the worlds leading minds in gaming innovations duckies |
| 07:51.49 | Bounty | they chose E sports |
| 07:52.33 | Bounty | Like, it would have netted them more money than steam |
| 07:52.37 | Bounty | very simple |
| 07:53.09 | duckies | it's hard to know what's going on inside when they think that releasing a game without chat channels is a good idea |
| 07:53.29 | Bounty | You pour your assets into the editor and make the games published with that editor only downloadable on your platform which costs money |
| 07:54.14 | Bounty | Its impossible to know what is going on in their heads duckies, but 99% of us in this IRC know what they should have down |
| 07:54.16 | Bounty | IMO |
| 07:54.35 | duckies | aye |
| 07:54.45 | duckies | the things that should have been are grand |
| 07:54.58 | Bounty | not only that |
| 07:55.09 | Bounty | but they would have fed the conspiracy that most people propose |
| 07:55.13 | Bounty | being greed |
| 07:55.28 | Bounty | They would have/could make 10x more money from us than E sports |
| 07:56.08 | Bounty | Esports may be popular but intellectual property is the new form of capital |
| 07:56.19 | Bounty | namsayin |
| 07:56.20 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:56.45 | duckies | ^^ |
| 08:00.56 | Bounty | I should just write a long ass letter to Blizzard and have it edited by the community lol |
| 08:01.39 | Bounty | as a business proposal |
| 08:01.50 | duckies | and what would you propose? |
| 08:01.59 | Bounty | Well |
| 08:02.13 | Bounty | It is quite obvious that user generated content is the way of the future |
| 08:02.31 | Bounty | and if you own all of the intellectual property created within your tools... |
| 08:02.48 | Bounty | as long as you give them a cut, your profits will increase |
| 08:02.59 | Bounty | This goes back to dota |
| 08:03.04 | duckies | a cut of what? |
| 08:03.25 | Bounty | marketplace |
| 08:03.26 | duckies | you mean allow mappers to sell stuff from inside of maps like skins and priviledge? |
| 08:03.32 | Bounty | no |
| 08:03.36 | Bounty | just maps in general |
| 08:03.43 | Bounty | let me rephrase that a bit |
| 08:03.47 | Bounty | if i may |
| 08:04.00 | Bounty | Blizzard has a talent that I do not think they understand they have |
| 08:04.27 | Bounty | They have a talent of creating engines that are more user friendly than any others |
| 08:04.31 | Bounty | what does this mean? |
| 08:04.36 | Bounty | it means this |
| 08:05.10 | Bounty | All of those people who have amazing ideas that cannot understand engines such as unity, will flock to it |
| 08:05.19 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 08:05.31 | duckies | so you want them to hurry up on releasing marketplace thing to attract bigger mapmaker audience? |
| 08:05.50 | Bounty | No, it is more than that |
| 08:05.55 | Bounty | read what I said =P |
| 08:05.57 | duckies | so that sc2 would blow up exponentionally in attantion and player base |
| 08:06.07 | Bounty | Its not about SC2 at all |
| 08:06.27 | duckies | oh |
| 08:06.30 | duckies | standalones? |
| 08:06.36 | Bounty | yes |
| 08:06.45 | Bounty | see what I'm saying? |
| 08:07.03 | Bounty | Unity is simplistic but for most people it is still far too much |
| 08:07.24 | Bounty | That is not to say that those people do not have the next dota in their head |
| 08:08.12 | Bounty | Blizzard has a skill that I think they have yet to realize they have |
| 08:08.50 | duckies | would probably be too much effort on blizz part for uncertancy |
| 08:08.53 | Bounty | and that is they are extremely talented at creating engines for the average person to create and realize their visions |
| 08:09.22 | Bounty | it really is not an uncertainty if you think about it |
| 08:10.00 | Bounty | Valve and Sony have player generated marketplaces |
| 08:10.37 | Bounty | Think of it like this duckies |
| 08:10.53 | Bounty | It is a sort of diamond in the rough type thing |
| 08:11.05 | Bounty | You open the flood gates to the masses |
| 08:11.11 | Bounty | and you will get that diamond |
| 08:12.25 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 08:15.38 | duckies | I can't quite see this. Blizz editors are cool because of default multiplayer support, already established player base, variaty of available aseets and an ease of use. different engines are suited for different things as far as I'm aware of it (for example how rts and fps handle multiplayer). the more accessebility you add the more you restrict other things, no? |
| 08:16.33 | duckies | would they need to add all of their assets to new engine? how would makers distribute their mods, via arcade-like platform? |
| 08:16.54 | Bounty | yes and yeah |
| 08:17.10 | Bounty | Even with the SC2 engine you can almost create anything |
| 08:17.35 | Bounty | Blizzard has always had this talent |
| 08:17.48 | Bounty | we all remember it lol |
| 08:17.55 | Bounty | Look |
| 08:18.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 08:18.21 | Bounty | Why do we almost always see the same games all the time? |
| 08:18.42 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.49 | duckies | puts zolden in a picke jar and throws the jar into aquarium! |
| 08:18.55 | duckies | *pickle |
| 08:19.18 | Bounty | I think its because perhaps the most innovative ideas are within the minds of those who are not programmers |
| 08:19.22 | Bounty | just saying |
| 08:19.32 | duckies | got done with yar game zold? |
| 08:19.37 | duckies | hm |
| 08:19.57 | duckies | where do we see the same games all the time, in the arcade? |
| 08:20.15 | Bounty | all over |
| 08:20.27 | Bounty | we've had a few unique ones |
| 08:20.30 | Bounty | in the arcade |
| 08:21.11 | Bounty | but people are so, for lack of a better word "brainwashed" into those genres that it is kinda hard to fight |
| 08:21.24 | Zolden | teleports into duckless forest |
| 08:21.49 | Bounty | all I am saying is that do you really think that the most creative people who generated the best ideas are creating games? |
| 08:21.53 | Zolden | game's doing well, learned alot, soon will spam games for android |
| 08:21.57 | duckies | teleports all duckless forests onto mars |
| 08:22.36 | Bounty | also, hello Zolden |
| 08:22.41 | Bounty | I hope you have been well |
| 08:22.41 | Zolden | teleports mars to karl marx beard |
| 08:22.59 | Zolden | hello Bounty |
| 08:23.40 | Bounty | You should interject into our discussion. We could use a third perspective. |
| 08:23.53 | Zolden | depends on topic |
| 08:24.00 | Zolden | if it's about tits i'm in |
| 08:24.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:24.18 | Bounty | nvm then I guess |
| 08:24.31 | duckies | adds karl marx beard to a bread eating bear sophroming in marxism |
| 08:24.35 | Bounty | you need only scroll up to get an idea of it though |
| 08:25.03 | Bounty | Although it seems duckies has abandoned the conversation |
| 08:25.08 | Bounty | so, fuck it? |
| 08:25.15 | duckies | bounty wants blizz to create an engine for people to use to make stand-alones |
| 08:25.38 | Zolden | maybe he was pissed of it and wanted a distraction to let his subconsiousness generate 3rd perspective |
| 08:26.04 | Zolden | based on sc2 editor? ew! |
| 08:26.08 | Bounty | That is a very simple way to putting it duckies while leaving out like 10 examples as to why they should do it and how it would benefit us and everyone |
| 08:26.08 | Zolden | there's unity for it |
| 08:26.09 | Bounty | but ok |
| 08:26.21 | Bounty | yeah I talked about unity |
| 08:26.30 | Bounty | man |
| 08:26.43 | Zolden | sc2 editor is too limited, too high level, too rts/rpg oriented |
| 08:26.48 | Zolden | too slow |
| 08:26.50 | Bounty | ugh |
| 08:26.56 | Zolden | too slow to work in |
| 08:26.59 | Bounty | yeah I touched on that as well |
| 08:27.02 | Bounty | fml |
| 08:27.12 | Bounty | brb I require a smoke |
| 08:27.20 | duckies | yeah, it's hard being a bounty ;/ |
| 08:27.22 | Bounty | duckies, explain what we discussed please |
| 08:27.28 | Zolden | smoke weed and u'll udnerstand deeper |
| 08:27.35 | Bounty | no thanks |
| 08:27.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:27.44 | Goa_ | Sc2 editor could be so much better if we would have more access to core stuff... like pathing |
| 08:27.57 | Bounty | I prefer not to sit in my chair debating on if I should get up and take a piss for 2 hours |
| 08:27.58 | Bounty | brb |
| 08:28.10 | Bounty | Goa_ |
| 08:28.11 | duckies | and had dynamic terrain texture change option |
| 08:28.16 | duckies | and more other stuff |
| 08:28.16 | Bounty | you saw the whole conversation? |
| 08:28.25 | Bounty | explain what it to Zolden please |
| 08:28.27 | Bounty | brb |
| 08:28.51 | Zolden | Goa_ (Sc2 editor could be so much better if we had x), where x = {..., ..., ..., ..., ... } <--- endless array |
| 08:29.28 | Goa_ | yeah |
| 08:29.31 | Goa_ | fuck it:D |
| 08:29.43 | duckies | aye |
| 08:29.50 | duckies | will you be on mn tomorrow? |
| 08:30.12 | Goa_ | dont know |
| 08:30.22 | Goa_ | probably |
| 08:30.32 | duckies | maybe |
| 08:30.35 | duckies | possibly |
| 08:30.52 | Zolden | Goa_ is hungary paying to wesst ukraine separatists for profocations? |
| 08:32.35 | Goa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.42 | Goa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.44 | Zolden | oh, duckies, seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKN7_vx2xo |
| 08:32.48 | Zolden | provocation, yes |
| 08:33.05 | Zolden | to force ukrainian goverment to multitask |
| 08:33.16 | Goa_ | Zolden yes, we are also supply arms and nerve gas to them. |
| 08:33.20 | Zolden | though, they must be good at multitasking if we see at white ra |
| 08:33.29 | Goa_ | And we are fascists evil westerners |
| 08:33.52 | Zolden | yea! more chaos and destruction! |
| 08:36.10 | Bounty | back |
| 08:36.19 | duckies | oh lol zold >.> |
| 08:36.22 | Bounty | death of the conversation duckies and I had I take it |
| 08:36.23 | Bounty | gg |
| 08:37.18 | duckies | bounty, if you want blizz to dedicate time to make standalone game engine I'm not the person to talk about it |
| 08:37.29 | Goa_ | We need more Abradolf Lincler |
| 08:37.33 | duckies | probably blizz is if you want to achieve anything |
| 08:37.35 | duckies | ^^ |
| 08:37.42 | Bounty | that is not what the discussion was about duckies.. |
| 08:37.53 | duckies | oh |
| 08:37.58 | Bounty | ok so we switch to that topic to ukraine? |
| 08:37.58 | duckies | you mean the second pare |
| 08:38.03 | Bounty | like it makes a difference? |
| 08:38.09 | Bounty | really? |
| 08:38.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:38.34 | duckies | *part about the people with cool new ideas not being skilled enough to implement them |
| 08:38.44 | Bounty | yes |
| 08:38.46 | duckies | if there was more to it then I lost it :/ |
| 08:38.54 | Bounty | outside of the SC2 editor |
| 08:39.11 | Bounty | I think this is a very important topic |
| 08:39.34 | Bounty | Great minds do not necessarily = knowledge of coding |
| 08:40.08 | Bounty | I am just saying I think this should be a highly discussed topic |
| 08:40.24 | duckies | eh, it feels like programming & gamedev is becomes more accessible by the year. It becomes easier and easier to do something if you want to |
| 08:40.36 | duckies | in a few dozen of years it won't be an issue :3 |
| 08:40.46 | Bounty | I get what you're saying duckies |
| 08:40.53 | Bounty | but what I am saying is |
| 08:41.19 | Zolden | unity is much easier to learn, unity has perfect tutorials and comprehensive documentation, so someone not so skilled would spend a week to understand the whole idea of unity and be able to get any piece of knowledge from help - and jsut start making games. While sc2 editor would be a black box nonsens for months or yeras - just so good for not so skilled person, best fucking choice |
| 08:41.32 | Bounty | If someone cannot mentally grasp programming, does that mean they cannot create a better game than those who did grasp it? |
| 08:41.51 | Bounty | That is horse shit Zolden lol |
| 08:42.17 | Bounty | Unity vs the SC2 Editor in terms of a user with no coding knowledge |
| 08:42.22 | Bounty | no competition |
| 08:42.34 | duckies | that's why position of game designer exists - the guy who writes extensive documentation/guides about every aspect of game |
| 08:42.41 | Zolden | Bounty you can't say until you have your "WOAH!" after a week of learning unity |
| 08:42.46 | duckies | or game design document in other words |
| 08:42.58 | Bounty | I tried to learn Unity Zolden |
| 08:43.12 | Bounty | I really did |
| 08:43.25 | Bounty | The SC2 is the superior format |
| 08:43.32 | Zolden | and decided to keep using sc2 gui trigger editor? |
| 08:43.36 | Bounty | It may not be the superior engine |
| 08:43.48 | Bounty | but in terms of format, it is vastly superior |
| 08:43.51 | Bounty | yes |
| 08:43.58 | Bounty | This was like 2 years ago |
| 08:44.20 | Bounty | That is true duckies |
| 08:44.25 | Bounty | the problem with that is |
| 08:44.42 | Bounty | You can't get that job until you break into the industry |
| 08:44.56 | Bounty | which requires coding knowledge or a shit load of connections |
| 08:44.59 | duckies | have you tried game maker? |
| 08:45.01 | Zolden | Bounty I could demolish your point with numerous arguments, but i on't want to, i'm not a jesus here to teach obvious things |
| 08:45.08 | duckies | I heard it's pretty novie |
| 08:45.12 | duckies | *novice |
| 08:45.34 | Bounty | really Zolden? You could but you won't because your generous? lol |
| 08:45.36 | Bounty | do it |
| 08:45.41 | Bounty | If you are correct |
| 08:46.00 | Bounty | It would be the best thing to do just so that I learn |
| 08:46.05 | Bounty | which I am all for |
| 08:46.19 | Bounty | yeah I read about it duckies |
| 08:46.36 | Zolden | if you tried unity and didn't like it, it's fine |
| 08:46.46 | Zolden | I don't want to push you to something you didn't like |
| 08:46.52 | Zolden | editor has its advantages |
| 08:46.53 | Bounty | It looks simple but again, it is not as simple as it appears to people with no coding experience |
| 08:47.03 | Bounty | Zolden |
| 08:47.20 | Bounty | take it as the argument was |
| 08:47.34 | Bounty | a user with ZERO coding knowledge |
| 08:47.49 | Zolden | and unity indeed requires coding experience. sc2 doesn't require it, but it means the hell of trigger gui |
| 08:47.53 | Bounty | whom which does not have the mental capability to grasp coding |
| 08:48.07 | Bounty | the hell? |
| 08:48.18 | Bounty | It is quite simple |
| 08:48.21 | Zolden | Bounty i'm skeptical about that user's future as a mapmaker |
| 08:48.40 | Bounty | Don't argue that Zolden |
| 08:48.46 | Bounty | because if that is what we are arguing |
| 08:48.51 | Bounty | it is no competition |
| 08:49.00 | Bounty | a map maker in the SC2 editor has no future |
| 08:49.21 | Bounty | I will not argue that ever |
| 08:49.43 | Zolden | we have 2 good coders, both succeed in both engines, but unity is more preferable. 2 no coders, both suck at both engine |
| 08:50.18 | Bounty | the entire debate between duckies and myself was that Blizzard has the capability to be greater than they are |
| 08:50.25 | Bounty | in terms of user generated content |
| 08:50.36 | Zolden | Bounty I wasn't talking about future as a connection to worldwide huge playerbase and income and stufff, i was talking about the ability to create nice games |
| 08:50.43 | Bounty | They could create a platform in which those with the greatest of ideas could express themselves |
| 08:51.01 | Bounty | They made this mistake already |
| 08:51.04 | Bounty | with dota |
| 08:51.21 | Zolden | this conversation makes me want go back to unity and implement something cool |
| 08:51.28 | Bounty | User generated content is the way of the future IMO |
| 08:52.02 | Bounty | The amount of people who know unity that have amazing ideas VS the amount of people with zero coding knowledge who have amazing ideas |
| 08:52.10 | Bounty | think about that lol |
| 08:52.49 | Bounty | does anything I am saying make sense? |
| 08:54.05 | Zolden | the overall amount of no coding experience people is bigger than amount of coders, it makes sense |
| 08:54.29 | Bounty | ok let me rephrase that a bit |
| 08:54.40 | Bounty | the amount of people that lack the ability to learn coding |
| 08:54.48 | Zolden | = stupid |
| 08:54.50 | Bounty | replaced the latter with that |
| 08:54.54 | Bounty | really? |
| 08:54.57 | Zolden | yea |
| 08:55.00 | Bounty | because thats me |
| 08:55.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:55.08 | Bounty | So I'm stupid? |
| 08:55.10 | Zolden | it's arrogance of a coder though, i'm not sure |
| 08:55.21 | Zolden | you can code |
| 08:55.29 | Bounty | in the editor yes |
| 08:55.29 | duckies | is coding really that difficult, it's just logic + syntax memorization + understanding of how platform works (on later stages) |
| 08:55.32 | Zolden | you did photon discs on triggers |
| 08:55.33 | Bounty | big difference |
| 08:55.36 | Zolden | it's just a shape of coding |
| 08:55.41 | Bounty | here is how I think of it |
| 08:55.47 | Bounty | the editor is rock band drums |
| 08:55.51 | Bounty | coding wise |
| 08:55.56 | Bounty | read coders are real drummers |
| 08:57.09 | Bounty | Perhaps I am just ignorant to my own knowledge but I really cannot comprehend the sc2 editor with actual coding |
| 08:57.27 | Bounty | replace comprehend with compare* |
| 08:57.43 | Zolden | Bounty a wise man said: one can never doubt people's ability to learn and peoples ability to doubt their ability to learn |
| 08:58.12 | duckies | you have a dream, you take steps to become capable of fulfilling that dream. There is google, there are baby-steps tutorials, there is everything you might need, you just need to overcome your frustration from slow start and properly scale your projects. Dedicate time and do what you want to do, if you can't do that, I doubt you could finish your grand idea anyway |
| 08:58.57 | duckies | the barrier of coding knowledge is just an excercise in self-discipline |
| 08:59.27 | Bounty | So you're telling me I can learn REAL coding (aka unity etc) if I am a person who uses triggers explicitly |
| 08:59.57 | Bounty | with ease |
| 08:59.58 | Goa_ | yes |
| 09:00.01 | Zolden | yes, duckies says truth. Also, you will be rewarded after a slow start with an excitement about how much easier it is to just type int i = 0; while (i < 10){i++;} instead of clicking alot to make this construction out of trigger gui |
| 09:00.03 | duckies | yes, you already undertand logic, you'll simply learn to use different warpers |
| 09:00.23 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:00.30 | Bounty | let me throw you guys a curve ball |
| 09:01.19 | Bounty | what if I have issues in terms of memory (potential brain damage) |
| 09:01.32 | Zolden | let me throw Bounty a cheesburger |
| 09:01.42 | Bounty | *nom nom* |
| 09:01.50 | Bounty | that shit was good |
| 09:02.12 | Zolden | no jsut go learn fucking c# |
| 09:02.24 | Bounty | mother fucker did you not see what I just said |
| 09:02.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:02.26 | Goa_ | Opens Unity as he finally got motivation to continue working on his stuff |
| 09:02.34 | Zolden | lol |
| 09:02.47 | Zolden | looks like this conersation wasn't in vein |
| 09:02.53 | Goa_ | yeah |
| 09:03.26 | Goa_ | So much to do |
| 09:03.30 | Zolden | Bounty if you can type/speak and you can code using trigger gui, there's no brain damage affecting the parts of brain one requires to code |
| 09:03.34 | Bounty | I have the weird feeling in my stomach knowing that when you said that it was not in relation to me |
| 09:03.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:03.59 | Bounty | So there is no memorization required? |
| 09:04.06 | Zolden | Bounty you can heal that feeling easily |
| 09:04.18 | Bounty | heh, I would not bet on that Zolden |
| 09:04.19 | Goa_ | Bounty not much |
| 09:04.27 | Zolden | you memorized "memorization" word, it will be enough |
| 09:04.52 | Goa_ | the real downside you face is that you will progress far less slowly that you currently progress in the sc editor |
| 09:04.59 | Goa_ | at the start |
| 09:05.14 | Bounty | I doubt that |
| 09:05.26 | Bounty | I have a lot of time on my hands atm |
| 09:05.27 | Zolden | actually sc2 editor knowledge helped me to learn unity faster, because sc2 editor is more complex |
| 09:05.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:05.45 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:05.57 | Zolden | Bounty if you have alot of will, you can easily convert that time into skill |
| 09:05.59 | Bounty | lets scrap the memorization curve ball |
| 09:06.01 | Bounty | assets |
| 09:06.10 | Bounty | I am not a modeler |
| 09:06.16 | Bounty | so? |
| 09:06.20 | Zolden | unity has asset store, full of free everything |
| 09:06.36 | Bounty | has anyone ever made money while using those assets? |
| 09:06.40 | Zolden | it has things with a price on it, but free stuff is comprehensive |
| 09:07.26 | Bounty | has there ever been a game that was successful using free assets? |
| 09:07.28 | Zolden | Bounty unity ppl generate tons of money from mobile games, some of them have used free asset store things |
| 09:07.36 | Zolden | it's simple statistics |
| 09:07.50 | duckies | If you want to go that way you can make moey with crap that you learned to do in a week, look at flappy bird |
| 09:08.00 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:08.19 | Bounty | I am looking to make money but I am not willing to sell my soul duckies |
| 09:08.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:08.31 | Bounty | I have standards |
| 09:08.42 | Zolden | i dlded a game full of cool 3d models, played it on my phone and realized that simple retro style platformer would bring more fun |
| 09:08.51 | duckies | there was nothing sould selling about flappy bird, it was just a fun game made for excercise, not meant to be anything grand |
| 09:09.05 | duckies | *soul |
| 09:09.49 | Zolden | Bounty selling soul or not using it is equal |
| 09:09.53 | Bounty | also |
| 09:09.55 | Bounty | here we go again with my head |
| 09:09.58 | Bounty | now I am thinking |
| 09:10.00 | duckies | he did it for his pleasure without worrying about AAA graphics, and it worked out. don't clutter your head with pointless fears |
| 09:10.04 | Bounty | Flappy bird + audiosurf |
| 09:10.13 | Bounty | RAGE |
| 09:10.45 | Bounty | I think I just need to learn to control my brain Zolden lol |
| 09:10.50 | Bounty | way to many concepts/ideas |
| 09:10.57 | Zolden | he-he |
| 09:11.21 | Zolden | it's exactly my thoughs |
| 09:11.45 | Zolden | I use my brain not perfectly to express all my ideas, need to improve |
| 09:11.47 | Bounty | I hope I'm not the only one who has trouble sleeping because his/her brain will not STFU about new ideas? |
| 09:12.33 | Zolden | best way to get rid of sleeping troubles is to start working hard on implementing ideas, it's absolute true, brain requires exhaustion |
| 09:13.01 | Goa_ | I need a new brain and start it from 0 with written instruction from my current brain |
| 09:13.10 | Bounty | that is true Zolden. My current job requires my brain to come up with ideas in the editor. |
| 09:13.14 | duckies | I have trouble with being too excited to go to sleep and then waking up after 4h sleep and feeling like wrinkled paper t_T |
| 09:13.17 | Bounty | I sleep like a baby on those nights |
| 09:13.23 | Bounty | on my nights off.... not so much |
| 09:13.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:13.56 | Bounty | on my nights off I wake up after 8+ hours of sleep feeling like I am a zombie duckies |
| 09:14.11 | Bounty | others, I sleep for 5-6 hours and wake up feeling like a million bucks |
| 09:14.19 | Bounty | its very weird... |
| 09:14.34 | Bounty | It almost seems random |
| 09:14.48 | duckies | yeah, this sleep rape that I subject myself to can't be good in the long-term =/ |
| 09:14.54 | Bounty | RNJesus strikes again |
| 09:15.07 | Zolden | intellectual, emotional and physical exhaustion guarantees baby sleep |
| 09:15.22 | Bounty | I have plenty of emotional exhaustion |
| 09:15.28 | Bounty | I have a wifey and 2 kids |
| 09:15.32 | Bounty | so that is taken care of |
| 09:15.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:15.49 | Zolden | good, no check for other points and u're fine |
| 09:16.02 | Zolden | ok, time to alttab, i want action |
| 09:16.09 | Bounty | physical, not much much these days |
| 09:16.26 | Bounty | intellectual, only on the days I work and on the days I don't I brainstorm for about 24 hours |
| 09:16.27 | Bounty | >.< |
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| 12:21.09 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/N0Qo4aA.gif <- any idea why the shadows act all blobbly and weird? |
| 12:25.44 | Helral | hmmm let's see |
| 12:26.23 | Helral | low quality gif? :P |
| 12:28.33 | Merc | :o |
| 12:29.24 | Merc | guess it might just be because the model is low poly and filthy |
| 12:35.07 | Zolden | Merc doubled mesh? |
| 12:35.17 | Merc | only one |
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| 15:46.25 | Merc | GOT IT |
| 15:46.29 | Merc | whohoo caps |
| 15:46.55 | Merc | anyway, the default property for "shadow clip" in the camera was way too high |
| 15:47.04 | Merc | default is 2000, want it at 1 it seems |
| 15:49.17 | Zolden | just put tits on all portraits |
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| 15:52.47 | Merc | nvm, didnt make any difference ingame |
| 15:52.47 | Merc | zzz |
| 15:54.57 | Zolden | Merc try to change cast shadows or/and recieve shadows flags of the material |
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| 16:09.59 | Dustin_ | hola |
| 16:25.01 | Nytemare3701 | Hey Dustin_ |
| 16:25.09 | Nytemare3701 | You are logged in twice again |
| 16:26.27 | Dustin_ | Ya Im not on my home comp |
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| 16:30.27 | Dustin_ | lol irc port is blocked at new work, but the webchat works |
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| 16:31.09 | Zandose | change ports?.... |
| 16:31.40 | Dustin_ | Yeah, tell that to all the irc servers |
| 16:32.02 | Zandose | they don't like machines connecting to them on a different port? |
| 16:32.21 | Dustin_ | That's not how servers work :P |
| 16:32.49 | Dustin_ | I mean you can setup a port range on applications, but as far as Im aware irc servers only accept connections on their setup server port |
| 16:33.09 | Zandose | i thought ports on your side were only on your side. my bad |
| 16:33.23 | Zandose | proxy then |
| 16:33.47 | Dustin_ | Doubt Id be able to get out, new job is pretty security heavy |
| 16:34.18 | Dustin_ | webchat is fine, as long as I can get here Im goood |
| 16:34.55 | Zandose | probably wrong but.... can you run irc on a different port to a proxy server (yours at home perhaps?) then get the proxy to change the port to normal? |
| 16:38.28 | Zandose | whats the new job? |
| 16:39.05 | RooKz | apple (joke) |
| 16:39.27 | RooKz | that's what comes to mind when you need security like that |
| 16:39.33 | Zandose | ^i think i've heard of that before. they make android stuff right? |
| 16:39.36 | Dustin_ | technical support engineer at netapp |
| 16:39.59 | Dustin_ | We're a data storage / backup device company |
| 16:40.13 | Zandose | people still use that? |
| 16:40.28 | Dustin_ | we deal with thousands of petabytes of data for places like coke and all the big enterprises |
| 16:40.35 | RooKz | funny my dad works in the same department, except for banner health, a hospital co. in the US |
| 16:40.50 | Zandose | well i guess if you need peabytes^ |
| 16:41.13 | Zandose | yes i know i spelt it wrong. too lazy to fix |
| 16:41.33 | RooKz | not lazy enough to not comment on it |
| 16:41.35 | Dustin_ | we basically cover any data storage needs from small businesses to multibillion dollar companies |
| 16:42.10 | Dustin_ | We also get free kegs brought in every other friday |
| 16:42.16 | Zandose | if your a multibillion biz why havent you rolled your own backup |
| 16:42.35 | Dustin_ | And we have tons of games and shit in the break rooms, xbox, ps4, old arcade machines etc |
| 16:42.35 | RooKz | hey, that'd be a cool feature for irc, add the ability to edit messages you wrote within the last 5 minutes |
| 16:42.38 | Zandose | your paid in beer!¿? |
| 16:42.57 | Dustin_ | nope, Im paid in munies and free beer |
| 16:43.31 | Zandose | goes into a corner and rocks back a forth. "all i get is free food" |
| 16:43.41 | Dustin_ | Im getting free lunch today too |
| 16:43.42 | Dustin_ | :D |
| 16:44.00 | Zandose | quality level? |
| 16:44.05 | Dustin_ | sooo loving the job, Im in training class for 10 weeks before hitting the floor |
| 16:44.16 | Dustin_ | Not sure, but Im sure itll be good |
| 16:44.39 | Zandose | im going to stop talking now. your life is making mine look terrible |
| 16:44.49 | Dustin_ | lol |
| 16:44.55 | Ahli | :D |
| 16:44.59 | Dustin_ | It's taken 28 years to get this job :P |
| 16:45.03 | RooKz | ;,) |
| 16:45.04 | Zandose | ah |
| 16:45.14 | Dustin_ | Im only 28, but you get the point |
| 16:45.23 | Zandose | begins to thing about unit collision now |
| 16:45.30 | Zandose | think* err |
| 16:45.32 | Dustin_ | Kind of struck gold with htis job in the middle of Kansas =/ |
| 16:45.35 | Ahli | I hope I can top you when I reach level 28 |
| 16:45.42 | Dustin_ | hehe |
| 16:46.04 | Zandose | im hoping for a cheat code to level 100 |
| 16:46.11 | RooKz | I'm at level 70...um...wrong game |
| 16:46.26 | Zandose | class? |
| 16:46.30 | Dustin_ | So I got my Shared Melee mod setup real nice yesterday |
| 16:46.36 | RooKz | lulz crusader |
| 16:46.41 | Zandose | wiz |
| 16:46.49 | Zandose | 200+ para |
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| 16:47.08 | RooKz | my bro almost got lvl 70 hardcore, he's CRAZY |
| 16:47.18 | Zandose | yes, yes he is |
| 16:47.23 | RooKz | anywho, nice job on the...job |
| 16:47.54 | Dustin_ | ty ;) |
| 16:48.06 | RooKz | I doubt I'll get into anything special |
| 16:48.24 | RooKz | I'll be lucky to get into an indie co. that survives for more than 2 years |
| 16:48.29 | Zandose | elk sausage almost done |
| 16:49.31 | Zandose | no ones going to ask why im eating elf? |
| 16:49.34 | RooKz | this is definitely the business I need to get into, because I lack pretty much every other skill outside of gaming and I can't wrap my head around anything else |
| 16:49.47 | RooKz | why are you eating elf? |
| 16:50.04 | Zandose | ^that was all on me.... |
| 16:50.22 | Zandose | no comment |
| 16:50.28 | RooKz | you meant elk didn't you... |
| 16:50.35 | Zandose | i did |
| 16:50.44 | RooKz | yeah, that was all on you... |
| 16:50.45 | Zandose | next is boar |
| 16:51.07 | Dustin_ | After I get my board/video game prototype done Im hoping to open my own studio |
| 16:51.07 | RooKz | I can't wait to see what you misspell that into next time |
| 16:51.27 | Zandose | :) |
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| 16:51.52 | Zandose | how does a board fit into a video game? |
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| 16:52.15 | RooKz | god, that really deserves to be in that irc thread on mapster, most memorable stuff or whatever |
| 16:53.09 | RooKz | I think he meant it's a video game that plays like a board game |
| 16:53.18 | RooKz | or it's a board game based on a video game? |
| 16:53.22 | Zandose | why not play a boardgame then? |
| 16:53.36 | RooKz | because it's generally more expensive? |
| 16:53.38 | Zandose | i dont think they mix too well |
| 16:54.01 | Dustin_ | It's like you have the board and some multi level tiles, there's a smal lcomputer in the board that connects to wifi and is hookedup to pressure sensors and LED's for each board tile. it's a 8x8 grid, then you pick your heroes and put them down on the board and your smartphone connects to the gameboard and shows all fancy combat anaimations as well as keeping track of unit vitals. When moving / attacking a unit the range of the |
| 16:54.04 | Dustin_ | board |
| 16:54.24 | Dustin_ | It plays like Final Fantasy Tactics in a small way |
| 16:54.41 | RooKz | sounds complicated |
| 16:54.48 | Zandose | phyical boardgame connected to a phone for animations |
| 16:54.49 | Dustin_ | Its not |
| 16:55.01 | Dustin_ | It's a combination of Tabletop and video gaming |
| 16:55.12 | Dustin_ | Brings a real physical connection to the game |
| 16:55.42 | RooKz | it allows you to take maximum advantage of physical and digital |
| 16:55.49 | Dustin_ | yup |
| 16:55.51 | RooKz | sounds kind of neat |
| 16:56.05 | Dustin_ | Still got a lot of work to do, but Im working it out slowly |
| 16:56.13 | RooKz | wouldn't an 8x8 grid be a chess board? |
| 16:56.51 | Dustin_ | uh maybe, I can't remember the chess board size |
| 16:57.03 | RooKz | it's most definitely 8x8 |
| 16:57.09 | RooKz | let's see |
| 16:57.12 | Dustin_ | Im still playing with board sizes |
| 16:57.24 | RooKz | rook knight bishop queen king bishop knight rook |
| 16:57.26 | Dustin_ | trying to find the sweetspot for max tiles |
| 16:57.28 | RooKz | that's 8 |
| 16:57.36 | Dustin_ | yup that sounds right |
| 16:57.50 | Dustin_ | but each tile can be a height of 1,2 or 3 |
| 16:58.00 | RooKz | I'm a total nerd lol, but really, who isn't? |
| 16:58.28 | RooKz | that reminds me of that new chaos game they're rebooting |
| 16:58.51 | RooKz | for some reason, the height thing, reminded me |
| 16:59.24 | Dustin_ | nice |
| 16:59.25 | Dustin_ | brb lunch |
| 16:59.47 | RooKz | durn, free lunches |
| 17:01.34 | Zandose | collision detection complete |
| 17:02.33 | Zandose | and compatiable with hight system |
| 17:03.23 | Zandose | elk time |
| 17:05.43 | RooKz | gratz Zandose, you made it on the irc quotes and sucessfully helped necro the thread |
| 17:10.23 | Zandose | ty |
| 17:10.50 | Zandose | i ran out of sauerkraut |
| 17:11.22 | Zandose | link? |
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| 17:28.57 | RooKz | me? link? |
| 17:33.59 | Dustin|Work | wee |
| 17:35.23 | RooKz | mee |
| 17:50.06 | RooKz | STILL nobody's interested? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/65432-outcast-chronicles-looking-for-a-story-designer/#p3 |
| 17:58.16 | TwoDie | not even single interest given |
| 18:00.53 | Dustin|Work | Most people dont want to comeup with a story for some game they didnt plan :P |
| 18:03.31 | RooKz | well it's mostly not story, it's mostly quest, npc, and story progression design |
| 18:04.21 | RooKz | I'd have a lot of fun doing that kind of thing |
| 18:04.30 | RooKz | if not for the stress of having to do EVERYTHING ELSE |
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| 18:15.23 | Zolden | addedd blizz to ban list |
| 18:15.30 | Zolden | oo much hs spam |
| 18:17.57 | Dustin|Work | Yeah you do that and tomorrow you'll get a heroes alpha invite and never see it! |
| 18:19.29 | Ahli | it's in the fancy launcher |
| 18:19.38 | Ahli | no need to receive mails from blizz |
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| 18:20.15 | Dustin|Work | Unless you dont check the launcher everyday |
| 18:24.22 | Nytemare3701 | Hey RooKz |
| 18:24.29 | Nytemare3701 | I can do the job if you want. |
| 18:24.33 | RooKz | hey dude |
| 18:24.50 | Nytemare3701 | PM me a prompt, I'll respond with a quality example. |
| 18:24.55 | RooKz | if you've got the time |
| 18:25.19 | Nytemare3701 | I'm disabled. Other than meeting with an attorney and doing maps, I'm pretty much here all the time. |
| 18:26.33 | RooKz | my bro has autism, really bad, so I can imagine you have a lot of time |
| 18:27.00 | RooKz | I think I found you |
| 18:27.09 | Nytemare3701 | I meant here in IRC, but ok :-P |
| 18:27.19 | RooKz | ahh ok |
| 18:35.11 | Dustin|Work | lol |
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| 18:38.08 | Dustin|Work | Man I need to figure out tonight why my map changes cause a random game crash now |
| 18:38.24 | Dustin|Work | random crashes are so fucking hard to debug |
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| 18:46.00 | duckies | goa_ we're having a "try new thigs" clan event :P |
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| 18:46.10 | duckies | so neither of us have played this |
| 18:46.33 | Goa_ | ohh |
| 18:46.43 | Goa_ | thought you are testing your maps event |
| 18:46.52 | duckies | nnope |
| 18:48.04 | Dustin|Work | Duckies |
| 18:48.11 | Dustin|Work | Actually nm I never uploaded it to EU |
| 18:49.12 | Merc | where do you define the victory screen of a race anyway |
| 19:08.04 | duckies | so goa_ want to try new things with us? |
| 19:12.54 | duckies | heh |
| 19:13.08 | duckies | you really do act like a jerk towards blizz, don't ya? :D |
| 19:19.05 | RooKz | herald of the stars |
| 19:21.18 | Merc | Zolden: well yeah, turning "receive shadows" off is a fix I guess |
| 19:21.38 | Merc | at least it looks less buggy |
| 19:21.44 | Merc | would love to fix the problem though |
| 19:24.21 | Goa_ | duckies I just say whats on my mind:D |
| 19:24.32 | Merc | what are you guys up to |
| 19:26.36 | duckies | you say what's on everyones mind goa_ ^^ |
| 19:26.47 | Merc | sounds like some juicy drama |
| 19:27.15 | RooKz | I'm up to : no good |
| 19:27.31 | RooKz | nah, I'm working on my rpg |
| 19:27.36 | RooKz | well, not now |
| 19:27.40 | RooKz | I'm making pizza atm |
| 19:44.10 | TwoDie | yo so kool! |
| 19:47.30 | Dustin|Work | shut up, I know it! |
| 19:51.06 | RooKz | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/65545-need-help-with-abilityes-triggers-skins-for-a-map/#p1 http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/65547-need-help-with-abilityes-triggers-skins-for-a-map/#p1 |
| 19:51.21 | RooKz | 2 different links |
| 20:01.04 | Dustin|Work | So you need help with Story, quests, NPCs, triggers and abilitys rookz? |
| 20:01.14 | Dustin|Work | sounds like you've got some learning to do :P |
| 20:02.24 | DeadZergling | so basically he just needs the entire RPG made for him? |
| 20:02.46 | Dustin|Work | Sounds like it lol |
| 20:03.27 | duckies | 2 diff persons |
| 20:03.37 | DeadZergling | btw Dustin|Work , I am finally forcing myself to make more progress on my Smash TV |
| 20:03.50 | DeadZergling | may even be playable soon :P |
| 20:04.27 | DeadZergling | *places a little blizzard TM next to his soon* |
| 20:05.26 | Dustin|Work | nice :D, I havent worked on mine since I started getting a random game crash on the map :( |
| 20:05.44 | duckies | game crashes are always nice |
| 20:05.59 | Dustin|Work | Ya esp when they happen to random players at random times =/ |
| 20:06.35 | duckies | who would have thought that overwriting default assets with custom assets with same name could cause random crashes (happened to me) |
| 20:06.41 | DeadZergling | yea, game crashes, I dealt with a couple of those in my RPG |
| 20:06.47 | DeadZergling | were hard as fuck to find |
| 20:08.15 | Dustin|Work | ya Im gonna go over the error crash file later tonight |
| 20:08.15 | DeadZergling | my two crash issues were: Game was saving WAY too much, and a particular model appearing causing players to crash |
| 20:08.39 | Dustin|Work | It was something to do with "INVALID ACCESS PERMISSIONS" or something similiar |
| 20:08.59 | duckies | "particular model appearing causing players to crash" that's so oldschool starcraft like :D |
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| 20:09.25 | DeadZergling | yea, but this one was rarer, only happened for people who sucked at dodging the sheep |
| 20:09.38 | DeadZergling | so it was hard to track down |
| 20:10.33 | Dustin|Work | I wonder if It has to do with the RTT shit I had going on, got rid of some of the planes for it, maybe that jacked something up |
| 20:10.48 | Dustin|Work | There's just sooo much I added between the updates where it didnt crash and now it does |
| 20:13.32 | DeadZergling | I say we blame it all on Blizzard |
| 20:13.37 | DeadZergling | is something they did :P |
| 20:13.50 | Dustin|Work | Agreed :D |
| 20:14.25 | DeadZergling | anywho, I just need to add a few more monsters, then I almost have a game |
| 20:14.44 | DeadZergling | still need to do powerups too, but those will be rather easy, I'm pretty good at applying behaviors with set durations.... |
| 20:15.17 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I added like 8 powerups in a couple hours |
| 20:15.44 | DeadZergling | hardest one probably be the double fire |
| 20:16.12 | Dustin|Work | how are you controlling shooting? data or trigs? |
| 20:16.25 | DeadZergling | well the guns are basically just abilities with recast timers |
| 20:16.51 | DeadZergling | when the user left clicks anywhere, it will turn their guy that way, and tell him to try to use that ability |
| 20:16.57 | Dustin|Work | Ah, ya you'll have to do some upgrade thing with effect switchers or something |
| 20:16.58 | DeadZergling | based on what gun he has |
| 20:17.19 | DeadZergling | it won't be bad, just 8 switches, 8 persistents |
| 20:17.29 | DeadZergling | is all I will really need |
| 20:17.32 | Dustin|Work | yeah, just the one gun type? |
| 20:17.41 | DeadZergling | 8 gun types |
| 20:17.47 | Dustin|Work | nice |
| 20:17.51 | Dustin|Work | Ya that wont be bad |
| 20:18.03 | DeadZergling | just be harder than say the shield |
| 20:18.06 | DeadZergling | or quad damage |
| 20:18.19 | DeadZergling | shield take a whole 10 minutes maybe, quad maybe 2 minutes, lol |
| 20:18.52 | DeadZergling | just trying to focus on funner stuff so I don't burn out again |
| 20:19.19 | DeadZergling | anyways yea, went with Plasma Rifle, Spread Gun, Railgun, Rocket Launcher, BFG, Nuke-O-Matic, Freeze Ray, and Wurm Gun |
| 20:20.01 | DeadZergling | what guns did you end up going with? |
| 20:22.51 | Dustin|Work | Mine is all based on sc units |
| 20:23.02 | Dustin|Work | Its based on the old SC1 map |
| 20:23.13 | DeadZergling | oh yea, the upgrade system |
| 20:23.22 | Dustin|Work | So you pick your marine,zergling or zealot then can upgrade them down different paths |
| 20:23.22 | DeadZergling | where anyone who goes something other than ghosts loses? |
| 20:23.40 | Dustin|Work | Nah mine has like 60+ units with heroes and tweaked abilitys and shit |
| 20:23.50 | Dustin|Work | So each unit will have it's own worth in a team composition |
| 20:24.05 | DeadZergling | aye, I'm just remembering how it went in the SC1 one |
| 20:24.20 | DeadZergling | if you didn't have ghosts in stage4 +, you were gonna be boned, and soon |
| 20:24.27 | Dustin|Work | Ya the SC1 one wasnt balanced well cause, well it was super hard there lol |
| 20:24.54 | DeadZergling | yea, limited units made it difficult |
| 20:25.58 | DeadZergling | as much of a pita as SC2 can be about things |
| 20:26.09 | DeadZergling | I would never want to go back to the original in terms of what I can do in the editor |
| 20:26.31 | Dustin|Work | omg ya |
| 20:27.12 | Dustin|Work | I made a Turn Based map in sc1 where u could equip weapons and items and shit using a shuttle and it would effect ur dmg and graphics and shit |
| 20:27.19 | DeadZergling | your options were a REALLY wonky unit upgrade tree |
| 20:27.24 | DeadZergling | or the 255 upgrades shit |
| 20:27.26 | Dustin|Work | That was one of the most complex things I think sc1 could handle and it took months lol |
| 20:28.14 | DeadZergling | standards were certainly, lower, with SC1 :) |
| 20:28.33 | DeadZergling | it somehow became acceptable to build units out of a building to activate spells |
| 20:29.27 | Dustin|Work | lol ya on my last sc1 map, Turn defense X-2, I did that for toggling vision and shit |
| 20:29.37 | Dustin|Work | And you would build a building that turned into a unit |
| 20:29.41 | Dustin|Work | for defenses |
| 20:29.46 | DeadZergling | healing was either some medic with auto restore energy, or a healing beacon |
| 20:29.51 | Dustin|Work | lol ya |
| 20:30.20 | DeadZergling | oh yes, I remember defenses like that... |
| 20:30.29 | Dustin|Work | Wanted other colors? better hexedit that shit |
| 20:30.31 | DeadZergling | build a supply depot |
| 20:30.35 | DeadZergling | suddenly a bunker fills with firebats! |
| 20:30.55 | Dustin|Work | Ya! I remember when they found out about the disabled bunker bug |
| 20:31.02 | Dustin|Work | Fucking amazing at the time |
| 20:31.12 | DeadZergling | our standards were, rather low... |
| 20:31.34 | Dustin|Work | Well we were so restricted that anything out of the ordinary was "OMG AMAZING!" |
| 20:31.59 | DeadZergling | yea.... I remember being amazed at maps with working doors |
| 20:32.35 | Dustin|Work | lol, when I was super young and just started mapping for sc1, I thought I as a badass for making a tassadar spawn after killing a testtube doodad |
| 20:32.55 | DeadZergling | heh |
| 20:33.15 | DeadZergling | I thought I was awesome for importing sound clips ripped off dragonballz |
| 20:34.13 | DeadZergling | oh well, was still pretty amazing to me at the time, think all I had done before that was some level making for doom/quake2 |
| 20:35.00 | Dustin|Work | Ya I did a bunch of Jedi Knight modding and level editing before SC1 |
| 20:35.34 | Dustin|Work | I had a JediKnight level that was on a ship and there were a bunch of different rooms I labeled as holodecks, and each one was based on some theme, was fun |
| 20:39.43 | Dustin|Work | I want a jedi knight reboot |
| 20:57.24 | Merc | dark forces 2 was awesome |
| 20:57.28 | Merc | played the shit out of that as a kid |
| 20:58.14 | DeadZergling | dark forces was good aye, as i recall the multiplayer was less than well setup though |
| 21:00.15 | Goa_ | http://youtu.be/z2cFsiPknec?t=2m43s |
| 21:00.23 | Merc | yeah, but was fun though |
| 21:00.26 | Dustin|Work | Ya Dark forces 2 Jedi Knight was the best |
| 21:00.50 | Dustin|Work | jedi knight was the 2nd wasnt it.... |
| 21:00.51 | DeadZergling | forget the name of that one gun, but the lizard man usually had it |
| 21:00.57 | DeadZergling | basically if you had that gun, you won, lol |
| 21:01.08 | DeadZergling | was combination rocket launcher + railgun essentially |
| 21:01.19 | Dustin|Work | lol with Jediknight 2 you could apply mods to your client and it would work on servers |
| 21:01.46 | Dustin|Work | So I modded the chaingun thing to shoot rockets, or had a program that would turn my model into a random piece of architexture in the level lol |
| 21:02.17 | Dustin|Work | My favorite server mod was Barons Head RPG, so badass |
| 21:02.21 | Goa_ | Jedi Knight 2 such a fun multi |
| 21:02.27 | Goa_ | multiplayer* |
| 21:04.13 | Dustin|Work | Big fluffy Pack! |
| 21:04.48 | RooKz | JK2 and JKJA are my top 2 favorite SW games, none come close |
| 21:05.04 | RooKz | I just keep crossing fingers somebody will make a sequal |
| 21:05.13 | Dustin|Work | JK2 and Battlefront 2 are my jav |
| 21:05.22 | Dustin|Work | fav* |
| 21:05.54 | *** part/#sc2mapster Goa_ (~hookah604@91.82.251.24.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 21:06.15 | Dustin|Work | Maybe I should take it on myself to make a new game like JediKnight with unity... |
| 21:06.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd5c:9f80:fc61:a851:9297:5650) |
| 21:06.53 | DeadZergling | be sure to let us know when you make good progress in a couple years |
| 21:06.56 | Dustin|Work | Sup mohammad ahli |
| 21:08.35 | Zolden | http://www.world-science.net/othernews/140417_Kepler186f.htm |
| 21:08.51 | Zolden | they found another earth-kind of planet |
| 21:08.52 | Ahli | playing heroes |
| 21:09.09 | Ahli | trying to figure out a strategy for a 5man team and hero combinations :D |
| 21:09.31 | Zolden | Ahli tried fart attack? |
| 21:09.52 | DeadZergling | 500 light years away huh, so nothing that'll matter in my lifetime, again |
| 21:10.01 | DeadZergling | thanks science! |
| 21:10.10 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, is that the one that's the same size as the earth? |
| 21:10.20 | Dustin|Work | I saw they found one that was lamost identidical to earth |
| 21:10.21 | Zolden | yeah, finally |
| 21:10.32 | Dustin|Work | Bout time, science, bitch! |
| 21:11.05 | Zolden | DeadZergling they can focus telescopes and catch radiosignals if their civilizations have reached modern age more than 500 years ago |
| 21:11.10 | Zolden | it will prove that we are alone |
| 21:11.30 | Zolden | it will be one of the most amazing piece of knowledge |
| 21:11.39 | Zolden | *not alone |
| 21:11.58 | DeadZergling | lol, nice mis-quote |
| 21:12.25 | Dustin|Work | Anyone who thinks we're not alone can't comprehend how big hte universe is |
| 21:13.44 | DeadZergling | well technically, I'm on a planet with over 4 billion women |
| 21:13.56 | DeadZergling | so universally speaking, I got a giant harem |
| 21:14.11 | DeadZergling | since they are so close, they must be involved with me :P |
| 21:14.16 | Zolden | right now science is sure that what hapened on our earth is not a luck, it's just how nature works, just evolving if there are conditions |
| 21:14.50 | DeadZergling | so even if they find shit on a planet 500 light years away |
| 21:14.52 | DeadZergling | we are still alone :P |
| 21:15.39 | Zolden | media will amplify the information of "we are not alone in the universe" so it will make you happy |
| 21:15.43 | Zolden | if they catch signals |
| 21:15.58 | Zolden | media know ways how to affect emotions |
| 21:16.04 | DeadZergling | even if they find signals, we still alone :P |
| 21:16.14 | Zolden | and that piece of information will worth it for media to do their best |
| 21:16.32 | DeadZergling | at least maybe space shit will get more funding then |
| 21:16.41 | Zolden | if they find signals, it means, they have a civilization |
| 21:17.19 | Zolden | also, it will prove the point that nature was born to generate intelligent creatures |
| 21:17.40 | Zolden | yea, humanity will turn back to space travelling dream |
| 21:18.12 | DeadZergling | until humanity realizes Dune style space travel though, I'm not particularly excited about it, lol |
| 21:20.56 | Zolden | we can send societies that will live 500 years on the big ship and then settle the planet |
| 21:21.19 | Zolden | just need better energy sources and better engines |
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| 22:42.48 | RooKz | the lighting in sc2 is SO GOOD! |
| 22:42.55 | RooKz | god, I'm still so happy about it |
| 22:43.03 | RooKz | after this many years |
| 23:04.46 | Zolden | you mean global light or point lights? |
| 23:06.55 | RooKz | well both I suppose |
| 23:07.02 | RooKz | but I was referring to the point lights |
| 23:08.36 | Zolden | just remember, they are laggy |
| 23:08.49 | RooKz | it'll be single player |
| 23:09.02 | Zolden | they are fps-laggy |
| 23:09.19 | RooKz | yeah well, you can just turn your graphics down a tad bit |
| 23:09.28 | RooKz | but I'll optimize it later if needed |
| 23:10.02 | Zolden | what's good about the,? Just normal light |
| 23:10.41 | RooKz | ? |
| 23:12.58 | RooKz | I read that...sentence like 10 times now, I still don't understand it |
| 23:13.56 | RooKz | OHH, ok, you meant them* lol |
| 23:14.44 | RooKz | well I find lighting to be fascinating when I have full control over it |
| 23:15.33 | RooKz | I especially like it in sc2 because it constantly updates and it doesn't seem to shut down my fps too badly |
| 23:15.53 | RooKz | it feels as smooth as butter and it's awesome to see |
| 23:16.03 | RooKz | and it looks good |
| 23:18.47 | Zolden | yea, 1 light is ok |
