| 00:04.24 | JademusSreg | Slay a grendel, tame a gryphon, return from Hades, da gods are tiffin' // wear da fleece, wrestle lion'd, prank on Atlas, dat golden hind // fight a hydra, feast for all us, release da kraken, save Iolaus |
| 00:04.53 | JademusSreg | drops the mic in an overdramatic manner. |
| 00:07.59 | Dustin|Home | M.C.GreekGodJade |
| 00:08.34 | Dustin|Home | Dropping them Fictional History Hooks |
| 00:11.19 | JademusSreg | What's not to like? =D |
| 00:12.59 | Dustin|Home | Id buy that album |
| 00:15.09 | Dustin|Home | This is the best thing ever, Alien Ant Farm crashed the BET awards with a surprise concert on top of the building during the red carpet shit, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNM2tV3PA_8 |
| 00:15.17 | Dustin|Home | Oldie, but awesome. |
| 00:16.06 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:17.04 | Zandose | is there a easy way to change a texture for a model to see how it looks? |
| 00:18.50 | Dustin|Home | I think there's a Texture Swap trigger |
| 00:19.01 | Dustin|Home | But I haven't messed with that at all |
| 00:19.56 | Zandose | i believe that requires you to pre-setup the data |
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| 00:22.01 | bob22 | trigger issue.. i issue an order a unit to "attack targeting a unit" .. but it will also attack other units on its way to the target unit, anyone know the solution? |
| 00:22.39 | Zandose | are you using smart attack (is that exists)? |
| 00:24.12 | Bounty | show us the trigger bob22 |
| 00:28.12 | Zandose | ^ |
| 00:38.25 | JademusSreg | Trigger warning, GUI, harhar. |
| 00:41.16 | bob22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.23 | bob22 | sry was eating foods |
| 00:43.23 | bob22 | psch |
| 00:44.46 | DeadZergling | in case no one answered yet Zandose, you have to do the select by id thing, and then have it happen after waiting .1 seconds or something |
| 00:44.54 | DeadZergling | then when you place the unit on the map |
| 00:45.00 | DeadZergling | it should show that texture |
| 00:45.23 | Zandose | hm |
| 00:45.29 | JademusSreg | Psch? Pistachios... aren't that great, I thought I'd mention em, distinctive from how awesome I am, my rhymes are venturesome. </ripoff> |
| 00:45.45 | bob22 | wth is smart attack |
| 00:46.11 | bob22 | i guess im not using it if i dont know what it is :O |
| 00:46.20 | Zandose | i havent looked, does it exist? |
| 00:46.21 | JademusSreg | Right clicky do thingy unit ordery |
| 00:46.53 | bob22 | dont see it, just that trigger i pasted |
| 00:47.36 | JademusSreg | Lacks sufficient context. Always paste everything. Oversharing is better than not sharing enough information. |
| 00:47.49 | JademusSreg | Otherwise it's like pulling teeth, one tedious question at a time. |
| 00:48.06 | Zandose | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 00:48.08 | JademusSreg | Paste on pastebin, sc2mapster's paste, pastee, et cetera, and provide link. |
| 00:48.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 00:48.17 | bob22 | talking to me? |
| 00:48.30 | Zandose | i believe he is |
| 00:48.39 | bob22 | heh its just that one trigger, issue order |
| 00:48.53 | bob22 | Unit - Order (Last created unit) to ( Attack targeting Game 6 - Ghosts[the int]) (Replace Existing Orders) |
| 00:49.26 | Kenoli | http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles/1/6/5/7/6/9/3/13933250246.jpg |
| 00:49.30 | Kenoli | Apparently this is a thing |
| 00:49.48 | Kenoli | Circumventing gameplay sure is getting expensive |
| 00:50.01 | Zandose | what game is that? |
| 00:50.05 | Kenoli | Maybe they hope to make the game so horrible that people will be forced to pay to not play it |
| 00:50.08 | Kenoli | WoW. |
| 00:50.19 | bob22 | sounds desperate |
| 00:50.28 | Zandose | are you talking about daiblo 3? |
| 00:50.45 | Kenoli | It's part of the new world of warcraft expansion |
| 00:51.06 | Kenoli | $60 to level a character to 90 |
| 00:51.36 | Bounty | People will pay for it so they will do it lol |
| 00:54.40 | Zandose | sounds like the same method used in dialog 3 |
| 00:54.43 | Zandose | err |
| 00:54.46 | Zandose | diablo 3 |
| 00:55.12 | DeadZergling | they did the same thing on everquest |
| 00:55.27 | DeadZergling | only worse, they nerfed a bunch of abilities that could be used for power leveling first |
| 01:26.55 | turtles1 | I really need a second monitor for debugging/working on stuff |
| 01:27.00 | turtles1 | :( |
| 01:27.09 | Dustin|Home | I have 3 and want more =/ |
| 01:27.11 | DeadZergling | get one, they are dirt cheap nowadays |
| 01:27.30 | ArcanePariah | Dustin|Home, ikr? |
| 01:27.33 | DeadZergling | I got a working flatscreen for 20 $ a month ago |
| 01:27.42 | turtles1 | graphics card can support it, just need to be desperate enough to inspire me to get one and set it up |
| 01:28.12 | ArcanePariah | I wished editor would allow multiple data objects to be open at a once |
| 01:28.20 | ArcanePariah | Instead of the forced 1 window thing |
| 01:33.23 | Zandose | is that $20 screen any good? |
| 01:38.11 | JademusSreg | New Scalar, Vector, and Matrix scripts. Just need to refactor some shit in Quaternion, hrm. |
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| 01:42.15 | DeadZergling | It isn't perfect Zandose, IE the power button doesn't actually turn the screen off, but otherwise functions fine |
| 01:42.40 | DeadZergling | I never bother turning my monitors off when I turn a computer off anyways, so it doesn't matter in my case |
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| 01:47.40 | JademusSreg | Code spam: https://pastee.org/vnjy8 |
| 01:48.23 | DeadZergling | similar deals out there though, or could just say screw it and buy a large TV, lol |
| 01:48.46 | JademusSreg | Funny that natives are faster than identical operations with operators. |
| 01:48.49 | DeadZergling | I did both... one monitor is a 40 " TV, and 2 others are about 21 " a piece |
| 02:00.22 | ThunderLord | Im havin trouble with an actors. If anyone knows a solution i would appreciate it. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/63568-issue-with-skillshot-splat/#p1 |
| 02:01.39 | Dustin|Home | Can't you just make a cone splat with 3 arrows and alpha out the rest? |
| 02:03.33 | ThunderLord | I would like to |
| 02:03.39 | ThunderLord | but i cant figure out how to import splats |
| 02:03.55 | JademusSreg | They are models, not just textures. =D |
| 02:03.55 | ThunderLord | I can overwrite splats already in the game, Replaced the zerg one with a cone |
| 02:04.12 | ThunderLord | by replacing the textures i mean |
| 02:04.34 | ThunderLord | yeah, I spent quite a bit of time trying to do this awhile back |
| 02:04.53 | ThunderLord | As far as i know, nobody has imported their own splats,... That was a long time ago tho |
| 02:05.03 | JademusSreg | I have. |
| 02:05.07 | JademusSreg | Not just me, either. |
| 02:05.15 | ThunderLord | really |
| 02:05.26 | ThunderLord | have you dont it in the past year? |
| 02:05.31 | JademusSreg | Modelers do that stuff, as well. |
| 02:06.00 | JademusSreg | Sure. I commissioned some template models, including splats, for my purposes. |
| 02:06.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 02:06.34 | ThunderLord | So could i like export splats already in teh game |
| 02:06.43 | JademusSreg | Just read the topic. |
| 02:06.46 | ThunderLord | and then do like texture replace by ID on it |
| 02:07.33 | ThunderLord | topic? |
| 02:08.01 | JademusSreg | Er, I think perhaps your terms are confused? Export means to save the file external to the source. Import is the reverse operation. Texture replace by ID is done in game, doesn't involve exporting. |
| 02:08.29 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I read the topic, could figure out the solution if I had the data available. |
| 02:09.04 | ThunderLord | Sry, i forgot to type the middle steps, I would export, then import with a new ID (that way i dont have to worry about how to make my own splat in 3ds max or somthing). And then do a texture replace by ID on the imported splat |
| 02:09.23 | JademusSreg | That's silly. For one, they fixed that old bug. |
| 02:10.06 | JademusSreg | Second, if one is reimporting what is basically a copy of the asset just to give it a different texture, makes more sense to alter the texture from the source file (which is what I tend to do). |
| 02:11.09 | ThunderLord | Right thats how ive been doing it, By replacing various splats already in the game. However im out of splats to replace |
| 02:11.17 | ThunderLord | Actually maybe they added some in HOTS |
| 02:11.23 | JademusSreg | What... |
| 02:11.44 | ThunderLord | You said alter the texture from the source file |
| 02:11.54 | ThunderLord | i assume you mean just importing a new texture to replace the existing one |
| 02:11.57 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 02:12.19 | JademusSreg | Changing the textures the asset itself references by modifying the model's texture paths. |
| 02:12.44 | ThunderLord | Okay okay |
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| 02:12.53 | ThunderLord | so how would i go about modifying the texture paths? |
| 02:13.04 | ThunderLord | i can figure that out actually |
| 02:13.06 | ThunderLord | thank you |
| 02:13.19 | JademusSreg | Hexedit for nonmodelers such as myself. |
| 02:13.35 | ThunderLord | and did you say there is a possible data solution to the actor too? it would be nice to be able to modify the angels easially without importing additional splats |
| 02:13.43 | JademusSreg | Modified road hardtile models to make shit like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9nx6yycw2qkli0k/Phase%207.jpg |
| 02:14.11 | JademusSreg | Yes, I could solve the actor thing if I could see your data. |
| 02:14.59 | ThunderLord | Okay. If you dont mind taking the time to do so, ide be more than happy to get you any info that you would need |
| 02:15.27 | ThunderLord | are you talking about the data in the actor that creates the splat? |
| 02:15.37 | JademusSreg | Just need to see the actor data, all of the actor data that's in any way connected to what you're doing. |
| 02:15.58 | ThunderLord | kk, will a screenshot do? ill be sure to include the events |
| 02:17.02 | ThunderLord | http://puu.sh/7aH2r.png |
| 02:18.41 | JademusSreg | Not screenshot. XML paste. |
| 02:18.53 | ThunderLord | The Destroys are targted to _GuideRegion and _GuideQuadSegment I basically just coppied the actor the the kerrigan ability added in HOTS... Im not that good at coming up with stuff using actors |
| 02:19.04 | JademusSreg | brb in 15, getting some groceries |
| 02:19.05 | ThunderLord | Okay |
| 02:23.35 | ThunderLord | For when you get back, http://pastebin.com/iYSBnigk |
| 03:12.06 | JademusSreg | Bavk. |
| 03:12.13 | ThunderLord | wewt |
| 03:13.56 | ThunderLord | is that the info you need? My implementation is pretty simple, I just coppied the HOTS implementation |
| 03:14.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I can work with this. |
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| 04:11.13 | Bounty | peow |
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| 04:23.49 | JademusSreg | Almost got an example of the solution ready, Thund. |
| 04:25.26 | Zandose | ^¿ |
| 04:30.42 | ThunderLord | cool |
| 04:30.52 | ThunderLord | i appreciate you doing that |
| 04:34.49 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/duev9 |
| 04:34.51 | JademusSreg | Kapow |
| 04:35.14 | JademusSreg | Supar lazy, but should be understandable. |
| 04:36.02 | JademusSreg | Basically, uses HostSiteOps to rotate extra quad actors. |
| 04:37.29 | ThunderLord | Nice |
| 04:37.33 | ThunderLord | checking it out now |
| 04:37.35 | ThunderLord | thanks :D |
| 04:37.35 | JademusSreg | Not elegant, but then can't be bothered to test numerous ideas for more efficient solutions when there's both an obvious solution and lots of programming demanding my attention. |
| 04:37.43 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 04:39.50 | JademusSreg | (If you have trouble with it, I could be bothered enough to provide the demo I made to test my solution.) |
| 04:40.18 | JademusSreg | Be sure to update your topic. =D |
| 04:40.53 | Zandose | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes, (logoff pageron) |
| 04:40.58 | ThunderLord | definately will |
| 04:41.10 | ThunderLord | Im excited to check out this solution tho :D |
| 04:42.49 | JademusSreg | The first two siteops in the paste are worth keeping, the other actors just demonstrate how it works. CreepSpray45 has HostSiteOp SOp45, CreepSprayN45 has HostSiteOp SOpN45. |
| 04:45.28 | ThunderLord | Works Perfectly. Im definately going to study this so i can learn to do similar things in the future. I really appreciate it |
| 04:48.23 | JademusSreg | Glad to help. |
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| 05:45.09 | ArcanePariah | I'm alive again |
| 05:45.34 | ArcanePariah | Is JademusSreg brack? |
| 05:47.19 | JademusSreg | Brak. |
| 05:47.37 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I'll be brak in a few minutes. =D |
| 05:58.06 | ArcanePariah | I ultimately decided to just do the multiple copies of the validator tree, at least it seems like a good use of the duplicate functionality :D |
| 06:01.53 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:13.18 | JademusSreg | And yeah, I didn't come up with a more elegant solution. Helped other folks instead. =D |
| 06:13.36 | ArcanePariah | It's fine, templates have made the task much easier anyhow |
| 06:14.02 | JademusSreg | Helped Thund with the quad issue: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/63568-issue-with-skillshot-splat-solved/#p1 |
| 06:14.08 | ArcanePariah | Very nice |
| 06:14.27 | ArcanePariah | Is there any real performance issue with templated objects? |
| 06:14.39 | ArcanePariah | Or does it simply help to have a far smaller XML file to parse? |
| 06:14.43 | JademusSreg | And refactored my code, just need to brutally carve my quaternion script into bloody shape. |
| 06:15.11 | JademusSreg | Clarify "templating" in the context of data. |
| 06:15.24 | JademusSreg | Clear what it means for UI. |
| 06:15.30 | ArcanePariah | Creating parent default objects that are inherited from |
| 06:15.48 | JademusSreg | Ah, that's always a good idea. |
| 06:16.20 | ArcanePariah | As to reduce the size of the XML, since less useless repeated elements in similar objects, and also allows the rapid creation of childrent objects |
| 06:16.41 | ArcanePariah | Not to mention the power to easily alter said objects later with a simple change + apply to children |
| 06:16.59 | JademusSreg | It benefits organization, management, compile-time performance (in the sense of when the catalog is initialized), and file size. |
| 06:17.48 | ArcanePariah | Overall, just a good idea, and essentially applies a OO paradigm to XML data structure |
| 06:17.52 | JademusSreg | The only thing it might, maybe, possibly in some cases negatively impact is navigating the XML structure spanning multiple files/. |
| 06:17.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:18.43 | JademusSreg | The -user- navigating the XML structure spanning multiple files, rather. |
| 06:19.06 | ArcanePariah | Yes but... that's kind of what the color coding is for lol |
| 06:19.21 | ArcanePariah | To indicate the source of the current value for a given field |
| 06:19.44 | ArcanePariah | Also, the tabs along the top of XML view |
| 06:19.48 | JademusSreg | Determining which values were inherited from where and such, that can be an issue for people who don't understand, and don't have vast reference files to simplify it. |
| 06:20.10 | ArcanePariah | Perhaps... but the XML file navigator in XML view makes that still trivial |
| 06:20.28 | ArcanePariah | since you can select a field in table view, and then switch to XML view, it will select the correct XML file IIRC |
| 06:20.29 | JademusSreg | Which is why I overqualify it; it is within the realm of imagination that people could have trouble with it. |
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| 06:34.51 | JademusSreg | Hah: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/surveillance-evangelist-arrested-in-california-in-bribery-investigation/ |
| 06:35.13 | ArcanePariah | I love my state, we have EVERYTHING here :D |
| 06:36.17 | ArcanePariah | Then again, sheer probababilities dictate we have a bit of everything, 50 million+ people kind of does that |
| 06:38.12 | JademusSreg | May one then infer that you love the planet by extension? |
| 06:38.54 | ArcanePariah | Of course, but it still is difficult to identifiy beyond ones regional associations, since those tend to have greater weight then my association with my species |
| 06:40.01 | ArcanePariah | Also California (IMO) emphasizes the best part of the US, in that their is no solid definition of a Californian, the diversity is kind of cool |
| 06:41.03 | ArcanePariah | Just as it is difficult to define an American, nothing you can physically point to, have to use more abstraction to define US people in general and even those tend to fail (I'm not sure I can relate to someone from say, Texas) |
| 06:42.18 | JademusSreg | Hm, difficult for me to identify with externalities, especially conventional externalities. |
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| 06:49.01 | ArcanePariah | All hail the duck |
| 06:52.51 | Bounty | Is there anyway to give a unit a sight radius greater than 32? |
| 06:55.07 | ArcanePariah | Create Persisent on birth, with offset |
| 06:55.07 | ArcanePariah | and use reveal |
| 06:55.22 | Bounty | Will that be affected by LoS? |
| 06:55.32 | ArcanePariah | Nope, that will be only drawback |
| 06:55.42 | Bounty | And that is what I need |
| 06:55.48 | Bounty | so, its useless =P |
| 06:56.33 | duckies | hm, I though sight radius above 16 is unaffected by los >.> |
| 06:56.41 | ArcanePariah | It is |
| 06:56.51 | duckies | okay =D |
| 06:56.57 | ArcanePariah | Specifically because if you do not uncheck "Use LoS" in the unit, its sight will be capped to 15 |
| 06:57.03 | ArcanePariah | No matter what |
| 06:57.21 | ArcanePariah | Also, hai duckies :D |
| 06:57.23 | duckies | damn those complex los calculations D: |
| 06:57.31 | duckies | hi pariah :3 |
| 06:58.00 | ArcanePariah | How goes your mapmaking? |
| 06:58.39 | duckies | it's ... variable |
| 06:59.07 | Bounty | I have a workaround for sight radius above 16 not being affected by los lol |
| 06:59.11 | Bounty | haha |
| 06:59.20 | Bounty | might be using it in my map |
| 06:59.26 | Bounty | not sure though, could cause lag |
| 07:00.40 | JademusSreg | In case anyone missed it earlier (and in case there's an error I didn't catch), code spam of Scalar, Vector, and Matrix: https://pastee.org/vnjy8 |
| 07:03.35 | ArcanePariah | Hmm ok, have a fairly complex validator chain, need a few simple questions about some stuff |
| 07:04.16 | ArcanePariah | When you negate a combine, it negates the entire thing, correct? So if it is a logical OR, it will evaluate like so: !(A + B + C +...) |
| 07:05.00 | ArcanePariah | Or maybe I should just paste my entire clusterfuck validator mess :D |
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| 07:07.49 | ArcanePariah | Ok, next possible question (mostly at JademusSreg), is root validation performed for all effect types? |
| 07:08.04 | ArcanePariah | I have an ability with a switch as the first effect |
| 07:08.18 | Zolden | yea, i'd say |
| 07:08.27 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty... hmm |
| 07:08.45 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:09.33 | Zolden | hmm, again sc2 client uploaded something |
| 07:09.36 | Zolden | what could it be |
| 07:09.43 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, would you prefer I describe my current mess or just paste my mass validation tree? |
| 07:10.04 | Zolden | do mass mess |
| 07:10.16 | JademusSreg | To my knowledge, root effect validation should work for any effect type. So long as it is the first effect in sequence, it should provide root validation and return errors (where possible) if it fails. |
| 07:10.23 | Zolden | we'll validate if it's messy enough |
| 07:10.31 | JademusSreg | Describe, then paste. |
| 07:10.31 | ArcanePariah | Ok, then my validators need work then |
| 07:10.51 | ArcanePariah | Ok, First effect is a switch, it uses 2 validators to determine which behavior to apply |
| 07:11.22 | ArcanePariah | I used the logical OR of these 2 validators so the ability will only be used when at least 1 of them is true |
| 07:11.32 | ArcanePariah | in the switch validators |
| 07:12.30 | ArcanePariah | The validator is as follows: First a condition validator checking for a specific behavior. Then 2 condition validators that do the same thing for a different behavior, then based on that, do a final comparioson of Used Charge Count |
| 07:12.39 | Zolden | why did you choose to do this instead of using combine validator which also provides boolean expressions with variables? |
| 07:12.49 | Zolden | *with validators as variables |
| 07:13.11 | ArcanePariah | Hmm? |
| 07:13.30 | Zolden | validator type: Combine |
| 07:13.34 | ArcanePariah | I did |
| 07:13.40 | ArcanePariah | For the switch validator |
| 07:13.50 | Zolden | ok |
| 07:13.58 | ArcanePariah | It is composed of the switch case validators logically ORed in a combined validator |
| 07:14.25 | ArcanePariah | But it is a bit tricker then that |
| 07:15.00 | Zolden | ok, go on |
| 07:15.20 | JademusSreg | Too technical rather than purposeful, and entirely too much conversation. =D |
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| 07:16.43 | ArcanePariah | Well, following from the above, I have 4 possible Used Charge Counts. I also have to check bounds, so 2 charge used validators are used. I then have a 3rd validator for charges used for the max amount of charges |
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| 07:17.01 | ArcanePariah | So for the case of 30 charges, I have 1 validator for >15, <=27 and = 30 |
| 07:18.44 | ArcanePariah | I used a mix of combines to account for 2 possible bounds: Between 15 and 27 used, nad 28 to 30 Used, by taking the !((>15 AND < 27) OR (=30)) |
| 07:19.05 | ArcanePariah | The negation one gives the range of 27-30 |
| 07:19.11 | ArcanePariah | 27-29 |
| 07:19.30 | ArcanePariah | and then ORing that with the orginal >=15 and <27 to get the full range |
| 07:19.38 | ArcanePariah | of 15 to 29 |
| 07:19.51 | ArcanePariah | This is the case for 30 rounds, there is duplicates for 40, 60 and 80 |
| 07:20.00 | ArcanePariah | with corresponding values |
| 07:20.40 | ArcanePariah | And yes, this is hilariously complex |
| 07:20.52 | ArcanePariah | Price of doing nearly data only ammo system |
| 07:21.17 | Zolden | cool |
| 07:21.34 | Zolden | i'd simply wrote down the boolean part on a paper |
| 07:21.49 | Zolden | in order to bring order |
| 07:21.57 | ArcanePariah | Already did, the logic checks out, so my implementation is flawed somewhere |
| 07:22.12 | Zolden | check parts separately |
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| 07:24.17 | Jademus | I was dc'd at "[02:20:58] <ArcanePariah> Price of doing nearly data only ammo system" |
| 07:24.33 | ArcanePariah | [23:21:18] <Zolden> cool |
| 07:24.33 | ArcanePariah | [23:21:34] <Zolden> i'd simply wrote down the boolean part on a paper |
| 07:24.33 | ArcanePariah | [23:21:49] <Zolden> in order to bring order |
| 07:24.33 | ArcanePariah | [23:21:56] <ArcanePariah> Already did, the logic checks out, so my implementation is flawed somewhere |
| 07:24.33 | ArcanePariah | [23:22:12] <Zolden> check parts separately |
| 07:24.39 | kingTD | u missed only zoldens messages |
| 07:24.42 | kingTD | not like its important |
| 07:25.13 | ArcanePariah | Ok, guess I'll paste, let me see if I can sort out what to paste |
| 07:25.14 | JademusSreg | (If you could, in addition to your paste, if you could write this as a pseudocode function, that would be lovely.) |
| 07:25.27 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty |
| 07:25.43 | ArcanePariah | Should I try to be selective about the paste or just hit you with a brick wall? |
| 07:26.49 | JademusSreg | All of the XML. |
| 07:26.59 | JademusSreg | Oooooh yeaaaaah baby. |
| 07:27.08 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty, I'll cut the irrelvant stuff from other things out |
| 07:27.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:27.47 | Zolden | kingTD and your messages are exportant! |
| 07:28.36 | kingTD | more like lost in translation |
| 07:30.07 | Zolden | it's the result of lust for translation |
| 07:30.38 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/zkeep |
| 07:30.41 | ArcanePariah | I think that's everything |
| 07:31.01 | ArcanePariah | At least everything relevant to this discussion |
| 07:31.14 | ArcanePariah | Now let me write that psuedocode |
| 07:31.25 | Goa | C&C Fps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGMarsTcwTs |
| 07:31.34 | Zolden | alot of xml |
| 07:31.58 | JademusSreg | Goa, before I click on that, do you refer to C&C Renegade? |
| 07:32.14 | kingTD | those tities tho http://i.snag.gy/IcNyn.jpg |
| 07:32.52 | Zolden | Goa degrade from general to cannon fodder? what a fascinating prspective! |
| 07:33.03 | JademusSreg | Twod, obviously they're targeting the young Mormon and South Korean demographic. |
| 07:33.29 | Goa | Jade Renegade X yes |
| 07:34.39 | Zolden | why only mormon? all christian? |
| 07:34.52 | JademusSreg | Goa, aesthetically, badass. Gameplay, don't see anything interesting. |
| 07:34.59 | Zolden | christians like tits and angels |
| 07:35.27 | kingTD | Jade idk, idk.. im already downloading client... |
| 07:35.40 | JademusSreg | Zol, because League Of Angels is a name that would appeal to conservative religious backgrounds. |
| 07:35.41 | Zolden | kingTD do you have tits touching gloves? |
| 07:36.16 | kingTD | well in FAQ it says that after 20 lvl u get those. |
| 07:36.43 | JademusSreg | They fax you a pair or you just, like, grow a set? |
| 07:37.02 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, a paste of the code or what I'm attempting |
| 07:37.03 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/q3qha |
| 07:37.17 | ArcanePariah | At least how I'm force to go about things in validators |
| 07:37.28 | Zolden | kingTD i mean technical device that is supposed to provide more convenient high poly modelling in zbrush by letting you use both hands to push virtual clay |
| 07:37.29 | turtles1 | banks don't work any different in extension mods do they? It's not like you can't use them in extension mods and I didn't get the memo, right? |
| 07:37.38 | Zolden | but in the same time they are perfect for tits touching |
| 07:37.59 | ArcanePariah | turtles1, banks... would be interesting, becuase I have no idea where they would actually be stored |
| 07:38.15 | ArcanePariah | Since normally banks are created on a per map author basis |
| 07:38.41 | ArcanePariah | Since most extension mods are for Blizzard maps, and Blizzard may not have a Battle.net ID themself, it may fail to create them |
| 07:38.53 | JademusSreg | And where is it shitting the bed? Is it not validating the root? |
| 07:38.53 | turtles1 | agreed. Can't figure out why they appear not to exist each time the game starts |
| 07:39.03 | turtles1 | i can create banks and read from them |
| 07:39.18 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, it is not validating correctly, I am able to use the ability even with 0 charges used |
| 07:39.23 | turtles1 | but then when I close the game and start a new one it's like they all completely disapeared |
| 07:39.24 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 07:39.48 | ArcanePariah | turtles1, it is possible they are never being saved |
| 07:39.57 | turtles1 | I'm going to continue assuming the problem exists between keyboard and chair for the moment |
| 07:40.07 | Bounty | How do you reset exploration for a player? |
| 07:40.14 | JademusSreg | Arc, paste the root effects? |
| 07:40.24 | Bounty | Like, if a player has explored area X and I want it to become completely black again |
| 07:40.26 | turtles1 | but I'm going to be devistated if they are not persistent between games in ext mods |
| 07:41.23 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, let me retest real quick, for some reason testing dependencies never quite goes correctly |
| 07:41.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:42.30 | ArcanePariah | Bounty, you need Explore/Unexplore Area, in Visibility section |
| 07:42.43 | Bounty | it is still only light grey |
| 07:42.47 | Bounty | even after using that |
| 07:42.56 | Bounty | I need 100% black |
| 07:42.58 | Bounty | can't see shit |
| 07:43.02 | ArcanePariah | Well check your fog of war |
| 07:43.05 | ArcanePariah | and change it |
| 07:43.12 | ArcanePariah | set your map fog of war to black |
| 07:43.57 | Bounty | holy shit balls that helps? |
| 07:44.00 | Bounty | change what? |
| 07:44.06 | Bounty | and all fog of wars are set to black |
| 07:44.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:44.17 | ArcanePariah | Their color is, their alpha is not |
| 07:44.21 | JademusSreg | Hey, Bounty, test using a Create Persistent effect to reveal radius 32. Enable flag Use Line of Sight. |
| 07:44.29 | Bounty | how do you set their alpha? |
| 07:44.38 | JademusSreg | In the Fog of War data. |
| 07:44.44 | ArcanePariah | Go into data editor -> Terrain -> Fog of War data |
| 07:44.44 | JademusSreg | Data, as in the data editor. |
| 07:44.50 | Bounty | can I use a dummy behavior to test that JademusSreg? |
| 07:44.50 | ArcanePariah | and create a Fog of War object |
| 07:44.55 | JademusSreg | Bounty, sure. |
| 07:45.02 | ArcanePariah | and set the color, then set the map fog of war to that |
| 07:45.04 | Bounty | kk will test in a se |
| 07:45.06 | Bounty | sec* |
| 07:45.22 | Bounty | yea I know that Arcane |
| 07:45.24 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so no go, it still is bugged up |
| 07:46.11 | JademusSreg | kk, lemme see the root effects. =D |
| 07:46.28 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/retmp |
| 07:47.36 | ArcanePariah | Currently the ability is acting as though the perfect validator is passing |
| 07:48.18 | JademusSreg | The validator in that paste doesn't exist. |
| 07:48.24 | JademusSreg | ManualReloadBounds |
| 07:48.31 | ArcanePariah | Oh I fixed it, it was named wrong |
| 07:48.32 | ArcanePariah | here |
| 07:48.58 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/ekggy |
| 07:49.31 | JademusSreg | That pastee link borders on pronouncibility. |
| 07:54.01 | ArcanePariah | The manual reload works fine, its the perfect reload that is somehow bugged |
| 07:54.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster maltenp (~maltenp@c-31e170d5.09-37-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 07:55.05 | ArcanePariah | Ok, yeah, the perfect reload one is the one that is bugged |
| 07:56.18 | ArcanePariah | And that is confusing since the perfect reload is simply (Manual Reload OR Full Used Charges) negated, which if manual reload is passing, perfect reload should fail |
| 07:56.31 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 07:56.41 | Bounty | how do you create a persistent that reveals an area |
| 07:56.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:56.48 | Bounty | I have a create persistent but... |
| 07:56.53 | ArcanePariah | Bounty, reveal flag |
| 07:57.17 | Bounty | wow |
| 07:57.19 | Bounty | 500 radius |
| 07:57.22 | Bounty | haha |
| 07:57.22 | JademusSreg | Except negating may be undesirable, since you don't check charges directly as an early bail-out. Or so I imagine; I'm busy with my own code, atm, haha. |
| 07:57.31 | ArcanePariah | Reveal flags + reveal radius |
| 07:58.10 | Bounty | and I can just put this in a behavior right? |
| 07:58.11 | JademusSreg | And with that Use Line of Sight flag, might not be completely useless. |
| 07:58.13 | Bounty | that applies it constantly |
| 07:58.17 | Bounty | yes? |
| 07:58.23 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... I was trying to avoid creating another set of combines + charges used to check for the case between full and near full (not 30, but not more then 27) |
| 07:58.24 | JademusSreg | Bounty, that would be wasteful, but you can do that, yes. |
| 07:59.12 | turtles1 | can someone please look over this short section of script for me to make sure I'm not fucking up or going crazy? |
| 07:59.13 | turtles1 | http://pastebin.com/SSfL09Pj |
| 07:59.14 | JademusSreg | For a more direct approach, you can make the effect, give it a caster not dead validator, prevent destroy, and give the unit the effect on Birth. |
| 07:59.33 | JademusSreg | By which I mean the field in the unit data, Effect - Birth. |
| 07:59.57 | turtles1 | I stuck it in map initialization and it says that bank does NOT exist every time |
| 08:00.04 | Bounty | does not increase the sight radius JademusSreg |
| 08:00.06 | Bounty | just tested it |
| 08:00.10 | JademusSreg | turt, is it preloaded? |
| 08:00.35 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, that's multiplayer. |
| 08:00.51 | JademusSreg | Can you confirm the bank file itself actually exists? |
| 08:01.05 | turtles1 | what the hell? |
| 08:01.10 | turtles1 | I wrote it in GUI |
| 08:01.19 | turtles1 | and then copy/pasted the text |
| 08:01.26 | turtles1 | in the GUI the bank is preloaded |
| 08:01.27 | JademusSreg | Er wat? |
| 08:01.38 | turtles1 | but it removed that step in the script |
| 08:01.48 | ArcanePariah | Preloading is never included in script |
| 08:01.53 | JademusSreg | The bank is an XML file the SC2 directory. |
| 08:02.02 | JademusSreg | Can you confirm it exists? |
| 08:02.11 | JademusSreg | *SC2 docs directory |
| 08:02.11 | ArcanePariah | If you want preloading turtles1 go to Mod -> Preload Info |
| 08:02.26 | ArcanePariah | THere you can specify banks to preload |
| 08:02.32 | Bounty | Yeah, definitely does not work JademusSreg, unless I am doing something wrong |
| 08:02.36 | ArcanePariah | For specific players, or all players |
| 08:02.36 | turtles1 | I always used the function "preload bank" in the trigger GUI |
| 08:02.46 | JademusSreg | I always assume that to be the case, Bounty. |
| 08:02.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:02.56 | ArcanePariah | Well it is relatively unnecessary now with the preload Info section |
| 08:03.33 | turtles1 | ummm where can I find it? |
| 08:03.44 | ArcanePariah | Mod Info -> Preload Info |
| 08:03.53 | ArcanePariah | Mod -> Preload Info * |
| 08:04.18 | turtles1 | no banks listed |
| 08:04.32 | turtles1 | like I said, I always used the trigger function in the GUI |
| 08:04.41 | ArcanePariah | Yes, no banks listed, add them there |
| 08:04.56 | turtles1 | I wonder if that stopped being supported recently, or is not supported for extension mods or something |
| 08:05.00 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0bo7nt57kzmb8p/pew.png |
| 08:05.06 | Bounty | That is what I have JademusSreg |
| 08:05.09 | turtles1 | it always DID work though, previously |
| 08:05.31 | turtles1 | going to have to try it later |
| 08:05.32 | JademusSreg | Screenshots are rarely helpful. |
| 08:05.33 | turtles1 | bye |
| 08:05.38 | ArcanePariah | Well it may not work for extension mods because the bank data is usually based on the author of the map |
| 08:05.42 | ArcanePariah | not the mod |
| 08:06.06 | turtles1 | going to be pissed if not! |
| 08:06.15 | turtles1 | that is a MAJOR handicap on extension mods |
| 08:06.32 | turtles1 | it will prevent SO MANY amazing mods! |
| 08:06.39 | turtles1 | aaaargh!!!!!! |
| 08:06.43 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, will have to take it up with Blizzard |
| 08:07.11 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, it does seem I will need to simply construct a paralell set of boundary checks for perfect reloads, as tedious as it is |
| 08:07.41 | ArcanePariah | Thankfully I templated much of this, so changing it won't be so bad |
| 08:07.52 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:08.52 | JademusSreg | Were I not refactoring my Quaternion script, the last layer of foundation for my physics system, I'd be more available. |
| 08:09.06 | ArcanePariah | Heh, we all have our parts to play :P |
| 08:09.19 | Bounty | I'll save this shit for another time then |
| 08:09.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:19.44 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfSPerv4Bw |
| 08:20.00 | Bounty | ROFL |
| 08:20.04 | Bounty | hahaha |
| 08:20.08 | Bounty | man |
| 08:20.13 | Bounty | pro dip out |
| 08:20.47 | Bounty | Ironically it timed perfectly with her news woman tone |
| 08:20.48 | Zolden | what? kingTD linked fun vid? |
| 08:20.57 | Bounty | Worth seeing IMO |
| 08:21.01 | Bounty | short and sweet |
| 08:21.19 | kingTD | Zolden what? u dont like them? :< |
| 08:21.51 | Bounty | I wish that is how I could end all of my final statements |
| 08:21.55 | Zolden | i don't like the hs ones |
| 08:22.16 | kingTD | so what u working on if not on MnM? |
| 08:22.26 | Zolden | i'm modelling for a dude |
| 08:22.37 | Zolden | also playing hots campaign |
| 08:23.33 | Zolden | only 3 months remaining, i haven't even started the first map i planned to participate with |
| 08:24.05 | kingTD | lucky me that i cant |
| 08:25.38 | Zolden | you can, jsut post via anyone who can |
| 08:27.31 | kingTD | i trust noone :s |
| 08:32.05 | Zolden | ok, then just lie, like you'r erussian |
| 08:32.30 | Zolden | your internet provider is russian, isn't it? |
| 08:33.47 | kingTD | no |
| 08:35.50 | kingTD | ok how to make tail for model? Like flying arrow and behind it would follow tail plain thing orentated to camaera to simulate the wind effect http://www.google.lt/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=pORXUUD4itU4mM&tbnid=w4g31E-982NJgM:&ved=0CAgQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fclassic.battle.net%2Fwar3%2Fnightelf%2Funits%2Farcher.shtml&ei=TKcNU-ScBIeK7AaPvIHoAQ&psig=AFQjCNGvVduk-t2jCHnOOObJVS_xj7Nwaw&ust=1393490124165436 |
| 08:35.58 | kingTD | shit |
| 08:36.04 | kingTD | http://classic.battle.net/war3/images/nightelf/screens/ss010.jpg |
| 08:36.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeltaVelocity (~DeltaVelo@unaffiliated/deltavelocity) |
| 08:37.57 | Zolden | ribbon |
| 08:40.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-230-147.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 08:58.08 | Zolden | kingTD so, playing with ribbons? |
| 08:58.20 | kingTD | a bit |
| 08:59.00 | Bounty | You know if they combined the features of the WC3 editor with the SC2 editor... |
| 08:59.10 | Bounty | as Boris from Goldeneye said |
| 08:59.17 | Bounty | We would be invincible! |
| 09:02.17 | kingTD | well ribon sucks since it cant rotate to player perspective of camare? |
| 09:07.59 | kingTD | particles sucks too... |
| 09:26.25 | Zolden | kingTD ribbon is billboard by default |
| 09:26.47 | Zolden | or check its options |
| 09:27.29 | kingTD | well, no, he doesnt have direction to view from stuff thing. In other words, even in WC3 they worked the same way, facing up |
| 09:28.04 | Zolden | you can use cylinder shape, which will look the same from any angle |
| 09:28.58 | kingTD | and dumb at the same time |
| 09:30.03 | Zolden | let me make you a ribbon |
| 09:30.09 | kingTD | dont need |
| 09:30.15 | kingTD | i made it myself already |
| 09:30.17 | kingTD | testingin game |
| 09:30.23 | Zolden | sreen or never happened |
| 09:34.15 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/bSWfv.jpg |
| 09:34.58 | Zolden | that's better |
| 09:35.43 | Bounty | You know what someone needs to make? |
| 09:35.45 | kingTD | btw, added generation map options. Dry mountains - no rivers more rocks; Swampland - x2 rivers and a lot of passages; Lag Forrest - only trees stuff |
| 09:35.46 | Bounty | Lords of the Realm |
| 09:35.51 | Bounty | as a SC2 mod |
| 09:35.57 | Bounty | or am I the only one who remembers that shit? |
| 09:36.13 | kingTD | not the only one |
| 09:36.43 | DeltaVelocity | cool |
| 09:36.45 | DeltaVelocity | what game is that |
| 09:36.51 | DeltaVelocity | kingtd |
| 09:37.26 | kingTD | Age of Knights |
| 09:37.44 | DeltaVelocity | nice |
| 09:37.46 | DeltaVelocity | it already on arcade? |
| 09:38.34 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:38.40 | Zolden | go try it with a couple of noobs |
| 09:38.44 | Zolden | feels fine |
| 09:38.45 | DeltaVelocity | xD |
| 09:39.00 | Zolden | until you get the idea that it would be fun to have some mages |
| 09:39.07 | kingTD | lag forrest - http://snag.gy/9VkFY.jpg |
| 09:39.17 | DeltaVelocity | haha |
| 09:39.44 | Zolden | not mych forset to lag |
| 09:40.13 | kingTD | yeah, mb a bit counts been decreased, as last time had 20 fps starting the map |
| 09:42.47 | Bounty | kingTD |
| 09:43.01 | Bounty | that Age of Nights game, is that what Lords of the Realm as a SC2 mod? |
| 09:43.20 | kingTD | KNIGHTS!!! |
| 09:43.34 | kingTD | Bounty its more like Age of Empires mod |
| 09:43.40 | Bounty | meh |
| 09:44.07 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS8nLtZQxPg |
| 09:44.20 | kingTD | well 700 tree units.. while last time it was in a test 2800 |
| 09:44.25 | Bounty | Lords of the Realm 2 was the only game that got me away from Warcraft 2 lol |
| 09:44.27 | Bounty | and Diablo |
| 09:44.30 | Bounty | so fucking good |
| 09:44.47 | kingTD | OK STOP THE FLAMING! |
| 09:44.53 | Bounty | You know the game is old when the game says its name when you reach the main menu |
| 09:44.58 | kingTD | DONT LIKE GET OUT AND MAKE THE FUCKING GAME |
| 09:45.00 | kingTD | OKAY!?!?!? |
| 09:45.03 | kingTD | OR OKATY!!??!?! |
| 09:45.10 | Bounty | NIGGA YOU TRIPPIN? |
| 09:45.23 | kingTD | NIGGA U BOUNCIN? |
| 09:45.31 | Bounty | Kinda |
| 09:45.38 | Zolden | kingtda |
| 09:45.43 | Bounty | ooooooh |
| 09:45.49 | Bounty | snap |
| 09:46.29 | Bounty | but yeah |
| 09:46.35 | Bounty | Lords of the Realm is like Civ |
| 09:46.39 | Bounty | but imagine civ |
| 09:46.47 | Bounty | and when you went into battle |
| 09:46.54 | Zolden | i made civ |
| 09:46.57 | kingTD | image Civ in real time.. that would be cool |
| 09:47.02 | kingTD | not zoldens version |
| 09:47.03 | Bounty | it went into RTS mode |
| 09:47.04 | kingTD | its borring |
| 09:47.10 | Bounty | civ is boring |
| 09:47.19 | Bounty | because the battle system blows |
| 09:47.32 | Bounty | Lords of the Realm was Civ + RTS in battles |
| 09:47.35 | Zolden | rise of nations is civ realtime |
| 09:47.38 | Zolden | and it's fun |
| 09:47.47 | Bounty | da fuck is rise of nations |
| 09:48.01 | kingTD | Bounty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEL1ILv5GX4 |
| 09:48.09 | duckies | king td, that tree view reminds me of some other game.. http://small-games.info/s/f/h/Horde_2_The_Citadel_2.jpg go add add fores fires, wild bears and hermits in a jars! |
| 09:48.19 | Zolden | rise of nations is a branch of rts games, pretty nice one |
| 09:48.44 | Bounty | yeah that looks like shit kingTD |
| 09:48.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:48.48 | Zolden | duckies is it "orda"? |
| 09:48.54 | duckies | yeah |
| 09:48.57 | kingTD | duckies, yeah it really does remind me of that game every time i look at the fir trees in aok :d |
| 09:49.29 | Zolden | kingTD lol, nice starting "twodie" shit |
| 09:49.42 | kingTD | yeah, noobly done! |
| 09:50.23 | Zolden | weather is crazy, spring coming 2 months earlier |
| 09:50.34 | kingTD | ^^ |
| 09:53.04 | Bounty | o0o I got one for yall |
| 09:53.13 | Bounty | Destrega, anyone ever heard of that? |
| 09:55.19 | Zolden | is "ega" stands for ega graphical adapter? |
| 09:56.10 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwu4SptVqaE = Destrega |
| 09:56.20 | Bounty | Greatest fighting game ever made |
| 09:58.54 | Bounty | "What a loser!" |
| 10:05.30 | Zolden | kingTD http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/merleblancdb/67738234/950346/950346_original.jpg |
| 10:06.08 | Bounty | No idea what the hell that says but I see robocop |
| 10:06.28 | kingTD | nice tits ^^ |
| 10:07.32 | Zolden | Bounty untranslatable pun |
| 10:10.09 | Bounty | fair enough |
| 10:11.09 | Bounty | Fun fact |
| 10:11.26 | Bounty | Fritos contain more fat than Doritos |
| 10:11.31 | Zolden | fan fuck |
| 10:11.44 | Bounty | Personally, I was shocked |
| 10:12.07 | Zolden | this reminded me to go buy some pig fat |
| 10:12.54 | Bounty | Probably better for you than Fritos |
| 10:13.01 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:45.18 | Zolden | Goa $13/gramm is weed price in colorado |
| 10:45.28 | Zolden | and it's a good whit, i'm sure |
| 10:50.22 | Bounty | word |
| 10:52.36 | kingTD | ohh jizz this will be long experimental time.. Zolden mb u have clue how to make model cast its own material and terrain material CORRECTLY? |
| 10:53.15 | Zolden | cast? |
| 10:53.18 | Zolden | correctly? |
| 10:53.21 | Zolden | define |
| 10:53.54 | DeltaVelocity | weird... |
| 10:54.08 | DeltaVelocity | it seems a while loop can't detect changes to a unit custom value outside it's own scope.. |
| 10:55.05 | kingTD | model would use terrain texture and texture applied to it |
| 10:56.05 | JademusSreg | Del, wat? |
| 10:56.23 | Zolden | kingTD both textures to blend? |
| 10:57.17 | kingTD | some what yes |
| 10:57.34 | kingTD | from terrain and material in 3ds |
| 10:58.39 | DeltaVelocity | umm |
| 10:58.45 | DeltaVelocity | Jademus |
| 10:58.52 | DeltaVelocity | I can't change a units custom value |
| 10:58.55 | DeltaVelocity | outside a loop |
| 10:59.00 | DeltaVelocity | and then detect it inside the loop |
| 10:59.02 | DeltaVelocity | after a wait |
| 10:59.31 | DeltaVelocity | it reads the old value |
| 11:00.10 | DeltaVelocity | hold on seeing if I can reproduce in fresh map |
| 11:00.37 | JademusSreg | Also, new batch of code spam, Scalar, Vector, Matrix, Quaternion. Much remains to be done. https://pastee.org/sn5gn |
| 11:00.47 | JademusSreg | Paste ze script. |
| 11:01.18 | Zolden | kingTD create combine material. Add standard to be the normal material, make it look like a normal unit. Add onw more material, terrain type. Adjust alpha to blend as you want. |
| 11:02.23 | Bounty | Looks like Hebrew to me JademusSreg |
| 11:02.27 | Bounty | >.< |
| 11:02.41 | Zolden | looks cody |
| 11:02.44 | kingTD | Zolden http://i.snag.gy/xlNqH.jpg |
| 11:03.55 | Zolden | kingTD waht's wrong here? |
| 11:03.59 | Bounty | like from Step by Step Zolden? |
| 11:04.05 | Bounty | That type of cody? |
| 11:04.24 | kingTD | looking through the roof of the model into outer side |
| 11:05.48 | Zolden | Bounty i don't get the reference |
| 11:05.55 | Zolden | not too much into american culture |
| 11:06.11 | Zolden | kingTD i don't get what is wrong |
| 11:06.11 | Bounty | You have no idea how deep into american culture that reference was |
| 11:06.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 11:06.28 | Zolden | i only know frame by frame |
| 11:12.12 | Bounty | never heard of it |
| 11:17.30 | Zolden | it's king crimson's song |
| 11:17.35 | Zolden | oh, and it's not american |
| 11:17.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 11:18.01 | Bounty | Most americans would know that reference I think |
| 11:23.49 | Bounty | Swear to god I see Slenderman @ 1:52 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZJqqrr6jk |
| 11:24.24 | Bounty | Lawsuit? |
| 11:28.52 | kingTD | so yeah.... Problem HUGE PENIS PROBLEM is that it cast models other side of wall while its through the roof of model, basicly ignores basic geometry that should block vertex and shows other polygons that are covered but still shows that fuckers in that shit fucking crap.. Imagine mask blend stuff |
| 11:29.43 | Bounty | That is one hell of a penis |
| 11:29.46 | Bounty | model |
| 11:32.36 | kingTD | imagine box and seeing other side of the box polygons casting shadows in side the box u looking it while its solid... confusing shit |
| 11:34.55 | kingTD | ZOLDEN |
| 11:38.20 | Goa | JademusSreg lol: http://web.mit.edu/press/2014/closing-the-free-will-loophole-0220.html |
| 11:41.49 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 11:42.45 | Bounty | .... |
| 11:43.00 | Bounty | is that real? I've been saying that shit forever |
| 11:43.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 11:43.52 | JademusSreg | Read past the title? =D |
| 11:43.59 | Bounty | did |
| 11:44.09 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 11:44.26 | Bounty | A few of us had this discussion awhile ago |
| 11:44.42 | JademusSreg | Skeptical. |
| 11:44.45 | Bounty | and my argument was that you can't have 2 types of physics |
| 11:44.54 | JademusSreg | Dubious. |
| 11:45.12 | Bounty | "ok this explains everything, except this and we will name this Quantum physics" |
| 11:45.20 | Bounty | just saying |
| 11:45.24 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 11:45.33 | Bounty | *puppy face* |
| 11:46.21 | Bounty | but neways |
| 11:46.36 | Bounty | they can generate quantum entanglement? |
| 11:47.16 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 11:48.23 | kingTD | fucking shit... |
| 11:50.47 | Zolden | kingTD ok, use terrain as the main texture, and blaned the standard material onto it |
| 11:52.33 | kingTD | nothing works |
| 11:52.47 | kingTD | i click click click |
| 11:52.55 | kingTD | and same shitty results |
| 11:54.04 | Zolden | let the not-terrain material be in blend mode |
| 11:54.09 | Zolden | no shadows cast |
| 11:54.21 | Zolden | try different stuff |
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| 11:58.52 | Goa | Bounty there are no 2 type of physics... |
| 11:59.14 | Goa | ahh he left |
| 11:59.54 | kingTD | impossible |
| 12:00.05 | kingTD | to the blizz forums! |
| 12:00.20 | Goa | blizz forums? |
| 12:01.06 | Zolden | blizz forums? |
| 12:04.17 | kingTD | Q,..,Q |
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| 12:09.32 | kingTD | hungry hungry begemot! |
| 12:10.07 | Zolden | on pod derevom jivyot |
| 12:13.40 | kingTD | ževiot! |
| 12:36.39 | Goa | Zolden Putin playing big guy: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-26/putin-launches-military-drill-western-central-russia-ruble-drops-lowest-2009 |
| 12:46.53 | Zolden | his rule is a long consequence of fails, who would now be wondered |
| 12:49.11 | Zolden | but it's not as important and sad as the fact that there are too many stupid people around besides him, and if something happen to him, it will be hard to elect someone better, because people will vote for another conservative old useless dick |
| 12:49.58 | turtles1 | back again |
| 12:50.11 | turtles1 | and still looking to find ways to use banks in an extension mod |
| 12:50.19 | Zolden | 12 years of propaganda brainwashed alot of lower educated people, and millions of higher educated immigrated to west |
| 12:50.40 | turtles1 | adding them to mod->preload info-> banks doesn't work |
| 12:51.20 | turtles1 | and in the import editor you can see the file "preload.xml" and the banks are not listed |
| 12:51.55 | turtles1 | manually modifying the xml files "preload.xml" and "banklist.xml" don't seem to work either |
| 12:52.41 | turtles1 | running out of ideas. This is really needed. Not just for me either |
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| 13:06.13 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 13:10.24 | JademusSreg | Big triple-D patch: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/12671560/patch-201-now-available-2-25-2014 |
| 13:10.35 | Delphinium | zoop=zolden is OP |
| 13:10.44 | JademusSreg | True.dat |
| 13:12.07 | JademusSreg | Oh, Delph, you asked about me the other day? |
| 13:13.03 | Delphinium | Yeah, someone needs your help I guess. |
| 13:13.27 | Bommes | when is reaper of souls release date? |
| 13:13.30 | JademusSreg | iirc, I was napping. Certainly not in an opium den chasing the narcotic dragon, nope. |
| 13:13.49 | Bommes | it's actually the first blizzard game/expansion I'm not going to buy |
| 13:14.18 | Bommes | the first since I'm old enough to buy Blizzard games at least |
| 13:14.59 | kingTD | · Decreased damage from 110% to 109% weapon damage" |
| 13:15.41 | Bommes | lol |
| 13:16.40 | Bommes | "Increased damage from 575% to 1465% weapon damage" way more legit change |
| 13:17.22 | Bommes | it looks like they pretty much just buffed 90% of every class |
| 13:17.29 | Bommes | pretty pointless |
| 13:18.00 | Bommes | it would make more sense to think of new gameplay mechanics to make it more interesting and give more meaning to the character individualization |
| 13:18.08 | Bommes | because that's what is really missing in Diablo 3 |
| 13:18.33 | Bommes | not changing some damage numbers around |
| 13:18.49 | Bommes | did they implement pvp by now? |
| 13:29.06 | A1win | Wasp projectiles can now be dodged and blocked <- best change in the patch |
| 13:32.37 | A1win | scratch that; There is now an option to automatically skip all cut scenes |
| 13:35.41 | JademusSreg | Just missing location content, class-specific quest lines. Tragic. |
| 13:40.43 | A1win | everything's still a huge blur of random mishmash |
| 13:45.21 | A1win | not sure why they wanted to give everything a chance to drop from everything, makes it almost completely irrelevant which part of the game you're playing |
| 13:45.35 | A1win | I'd imagine now even more so with the dynamic monster level |
| 13:46.59 | JademusSreg | I want what everyone wants: to visit distant exotic lands, meet new and interesting people, and kill them. Pardon, demons, not people. |
| 13:47.32 | Zolden | fuck, and only then kill them |
| 13:48.27 | A1win | loot burn rape kill repeat |
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| 14:01.31 | Zolden | my sc2 client downloads something every time I run it |
| 14:01.34 | Zolden | something fucked |
| 14:03.05 | Goa | I guess thats th balance patch that is coming soon |
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| 14:33.10 | Zolden | 4 times i had upload |
| 14:33.21 | Zolden | sure, will ahve 5th if close sc2 and run again |
| 14:34.18 | Goa | Zolden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ptvoXOZDs |
| 14:44.38 | JademusSreg | My kingdom for operator overloading in galaxy. No, better yet, someone else's kingdom. That would be swell. |
| 14:45.05 | pirate | http://www.romainbrasier.fr/404 |
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| 14:49.07 | Zolden | Goa putin just scared, he understands: if ukraine show economical and social progress, russian people will have more motivation to get rid of putin |
| 14:50.24 | Zolden | but he won't do anything, becasue he also don't want americans to like how the situation evolves, and if former soviet countries fight, americans will like |
| 14:52.20 | Zolden | he will just blackmail and push brainlessly until ukrain will develope a complete dislike of russian in their collective unconscious |
| 14:58.20 | Zolden | right, kingTD? |
| 15:07.46 | kingTD | no, Zolden! |
| 15:09.27 | Zolden | how about yes zolden |
| 15:11.03 | kingTD | how about no kingtd |
| 15:12.18 | Zolden | how about maybe Goa |
| 15:15.20 | Dustin|Work | how about IM A SCAT MAN BE BOP BOOP BADDA BOOP |
| 15:15.25 | Zolden | can anyone read this and tell me if this bullshit or something? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/62267-trigger-ai-making-your-own-sky-net/?post=1 |
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| 15:18.18 | Dustin|Work | He just rambles on about his own Ideal AI setup |
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| 15:18.37 | Goa | Dustin|Work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oUp_JjPJok |
| 15:18.47 | Dustin|Work | Cant watch that, in the office :( what is it? |
| 15:18.57 | Ahli | "unable to launch map" error pops up when I try to test an empty mod... does anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 15:19.34 | pirate | don't you need to launch mods with a test map? |
| 15:20.00 | Ahli | I've set a map in the editor options |
| 15:20.02 | Goa | Dustin|Work "Computer Man (Scatman) 10 hours" :) |
| 15:20.07 | Dustin|Work | haha yesss |
| 15:20.09 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 15:20.10 | pirate | if a user type data field isn't defined, it uses the defined default value, yes? |
| 15:22.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:25.53 | JademusSreg | Zol, it's not bullshit, but it's so excessively verbose as to be impactical to read. |
| 15:29.11 | JademusSreg | Tutorial authors ought to emulate Prozaic's style. Saliency, structure, referential and visual examples. |
| 15:30.05 | JademusSreg | *impractical =D |
| 15:34.48 | Zolden | JademusSreg ty |
| 15:34.52 | Zolden | won't read then |
| 15:35.56 | Zolden | if one understand how to program cool ai, he'd know that precisely explaining its ideas is 5 times more interesting than any prose even wrote by best disney jews |
| 15:36.37 | Dustin|Work | AI is fun to write |
| 15:36.48 | Zolden | yea |
| 15:36.52 | Dustin|Work | Not that difficult, just time consuming |
| 15:37.10 | Zolden | i'd like evolved kerrigan to be agressive and dominative, to catch raynor and rape him in the butt like a pussy |
| 15:38.13 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you want tactical AI. |
| 15:38.13 | Zolden | when they implement server side banks, i'll try to implement ai that would learn from each game and evolve |
| 15:42.25 | Goa | Zolden if there will be ever server side banks |
| 15:42.54 | Dustin|Work | It sounds like there will |
| 15:42.56 | Zolden | kingTD oh, i got it, dude! you see meshes from inside |
| 15:43.31 | Zolden | Goa mille said he was told that there will be in 2.2, i'm inclined to believe |
| 15:44.19 | Zolden | kingTD this may happen if you have blend mode for the main material, and also don't have that "z pass" or something like that option |
| 15:46.31 | Zolden | kingTD another possibility is to se priority of terrain material to a higher number than the main material's, and have both > 0 |
| 15:47.05 | Zolden | kingTD but first learn fucking english! |
| 15:47.20 | kingTD | NEVER |
| 15:47.38 | kingTD | problem not english but ability to explain the situation |
| 15:48.29 | Zolden | english grammar dictates correct word order, and if you don't follow it, it results in lower class abillity of explaining the situation |
| 15:48.56 | Zolden | you have all required words, but they don't communicate with each other to generate the inambiguous idea |
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| 15:49.41 | Kueken | hey |
| 15:49.41 | Zolden | "fuck that nigger" and "that nigger fuck" has different meaning |
| 15:49.45 | Zolden | same words |
| 15:49.56 | Zolden | hey q |
| 15:50.30 | Dustin|Work | English is a silly language |
| 15:50.57 | Kueken | if I have a specific percentage chance of something happening at an event, what was the formula to calculate the average number of tries until it happens at least once? |
| 15:51.25 | Kueken | I tried to google it, but whenever I google "average number of tries" I just get Pregnancy sites |
| 15:51.37 | Zolden | Kueken doesn't wiki have the formula? |
| 15:51.40 | Zolden | lemme check |
| 15:51.47 | Kueken | didn't find it yet :) |
| 15:51.55 | Kueken | probably just me being blind |
| 15:51.58 | Kueken | or dumb |
| 15:52.40 | Zolden | find here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_theory |
| 15:53.26 | Zolden | actually, i can guess |
| 15:53.42 | Zolden | V(q) it is |
| 15:53.45 | Dustin|Work | Kueken, sounds like you want Weighted Random? |
| 15:54.16 | Dustin|Work | Oh wait nm, you want to get the chance not make sure it happens after that many |
| 15:54.49 | Kueken | I want the average number of tries until it happens at least once, for a set chance |
| 15:54.49 | Zolden | so, if probability is p, 1 - p = q, and 1 - q * q * ... * q = proabbility of that happen at least once |
| 15:55.15 | Zolden | oh, so it's different |
| 15:55.21 | kingTD | Zolden thanks finally fixed |
| 15:55.30 | Zolden | kingTD what helped? |
| 15:55.51 | kingTD | priorities and z pass |
| 15:56.15 | kingTD | or just Z pass in genereal |
| 15:56.16 | Kueken | for example if I throw a dice, I want the average number of throws until I get at least one 6 roll |
| 15:56.17 | kingTD | general |
| 15:56.59 | Dustin|Work | well it's different everytime |
| 15:57.22 | Kueken | the average |
| 15:57.27 | Kueken | not the exact number |
| 15:57.39 | Zolden | i know what you're asking about |
| 15:57.56 | Kueken | I know there is a formula to calculate that, I know I used it before |
| 15:58.00 | Dustin|Work | You'd have to have a set base of throws to base it on |
| 15:58.08 | Kueken | no |
| 15:58.37 | Kueken | you have a 1/6 chance to throw a 6 |
| 15:59.16 | Kueken | and independent on any other circumstances, there is a formula to calculate how many throws you need in average to get at least one 6 |
| 15:59.38 | Kueken | *of |
| 16:00.14 | Dustin|Work | http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/math/dice.html |
| 16:01.48 | Zolden | Kueken just read my wikipedia link until you find it |
| 16:02.12 | Kueken | doing that :D |
| 16:02.31 | Dustin|Work | Yeah Im finding things SO CLOSE to what you need |
| 16:02.38 | Dustin|Work | but nothing that explains exactly what you want lol |
| 16:02.52 | Zolden | i wish to understand it to be able to derive any formula |
| 16:04.36 | JademusSreg | Enjoyed teaching Probs&Stats through base-n numbers. |
| 16:05.10 | Zolden | i think it should be something like integral from integral from cumulation distribution function from 1 to infinity devided by infinity ;/ |
| 16:05.22 | Kueken | sounds reasonable |
| 16:05.33 | Zolden | for limit function it's fine |
| 16:05.55 | Kueken | also, I am calculating the average number of tries to ask Jade until you get the correct answer to 1. |
| 16:06.04 | Dustin|Work | The general formula for rolling at least one 6 in n rolls is 1 - (5/6)^n. |
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| 16:06.37 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:06.46 | JademusSreg | That would make for amusing coursework. |
| 16:07.16 | Kueken | so Jade, do you happen to know said formula by any chance? :D |
| 16:07.51 | Kueken | yeah, Dustin, thats pretty much common sense |
| 16:08.12 | Dustin|Work | I was just pasting shit I found that sounded like it might help :) |
| 16:08.15 | Kueken | :D |
| 16:08.57 | Kueken | maybe you can swap variables and form equations from there... |
| 16:09.18 | Dustin|Work | What you should do, is just get a dice and then roll it a bunch and see what you get |
| 16:09.36 | Kueken | yeah, about 10k times |
| 16:09.48 | Dustin|Work | Make a program that does it and saves the data |
| 16:10.12 | Dustin|Work | Show that problem whos boss with brute force repetition |
| 16:11.20 | JademusSreg | An idealized coin is comparable to base-2, an idealized 6-sided die is comparable to base-6. Each result is a digit in that base, the digit sequence defines all possible states, et cetera. |
| 16:13.09 | Kueken | this statement is very true, absolutely incontestable and totally NOT HELPFUL! :p |
| 16:13.40 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I just enjoy reflecting on the experience. |
| 16:13.46 | JademusSreg | Anyway, wat's going on? |
| 16:14.51 | Dustin|Work | He's wanting to know how to calculate how many throws on average it takes to roll a 6 with a d6 |
| 16:16.13 | JademusSreg | Really? |
| 16:16.31 | Kueken | ya |
| 16:16.45 | Dustin|Work | What are you using this for Kueken? |
| 16:16.51 | Kueken | and I am pretty sure its 6 :D |
| 16:16.55 | Kueken | *not 6 |
| 16:17.18 | Dustin|Work | Technically I think it would be 6 on average for every number on a d6 |
| 16:17.19 | JademusSreg | Arithmetic mean, easy. |
| 16:17.31 | Zolden | Kueken yea, there are no reasons for it to be 6 |
| 16:17.51 | Dustin|Work | If you have a 1/6 chance every time you roll it, you're most likely going to get that number within 6 tries |
| 16:18.22 | Kueken | some memory comes back... I think when we calculated it, we defined a set probability for this |
| 16:18.48 | Kueken | like if the chance of getting it in n tries is 95%, it is considered guaranteed |
| 16:18.53 | Kueken | or something... |
| 16:19.00 | JademusSreg | Average is not exactly technical, so I assume arithmetic mean. |
| 16:19.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the shit I said before is applicable. |
| 16:19.30 | Kueken | and it was based on the bell-shaped curve |
| 16:19.38 | JademusSreg | Gaussian? |
| 16:19.43 | Kueken | or gaussian or whatever it was called |
| 16:19.48 | Kueken | yeah |
| 16:20.11 | Zolden | Kueken it's not gaussian, it's the second one |
| 16:20.30 | Zolden | there are 2 main |
| 16:20.38 | Zolden | one look like a boob, and another like a slope |
| 16:21.38 | JademusSreg | I don't see how this is an issue. And I'm curious what the technical parameters of the problem were. |
| 16:23.41 | JademusSreg | Based on what you've provided, it seems painfully obvious, which causes me to think I'm misunderstanding, as that would explain why it doesn't seem like a difficult problem. |
| 16:24.33 | Zolden | Kueken distribution of the "at least one shit happens" is p * q ^ (n - 1) |
| 16:24.44 | Zolden | for this function you need to find the mass center |
| 16:25.05 | Kueken | Jade: All I need is the average number of tries for a success with a known percentage chance of success on each try |
| 16:25.17 | Zolden | so it's (integral from 1 to n)/n with lim n -> infinity |
| 16:27.47 | JademusSreg | The probability of observing any given element in the set is always 1/6. Sounds like a trick question to exploit the gambler's fallacy the way you describe it. |
| 16:27.57 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 16:28.05 | Dustin|Work | I've been trying to explain this to them, they are ignoring me lol |
| 16:28.52 | Kueken | I know there was a specific formula to calculate the average number of tries, I have used it before... |
| 16:28.55 | Zolden | it's more complex |
| 16:29.05 | Kueken | wait, I think I found something... |
| 16:29.14 | Kueken | :D |
| 16:29.15 | Zolden | show me |
| 16:29.17 | Kueken | you wil like this |
| 16:29.35 | Dustin|Work | With weighted Randoms you can get a % and control the number of times it takes to rol land get it |
| 16:30.00 | Dustin|Work | Because you're controlling the entire random generation to take into consideration the number of throws and adjusting probabilty to that |
| 16:31.05 | Kueken | alright, this is a site calculating pokemon catch rates. The catch rate is a fixed percentage, based on a couple of parameters, not relevant right now. But the calculator also calculates the average amount of pokeballs needed, which is exactly what I want, I guess :D |
| 16:31.06 | Kueken | http://www.dragonflycave.com/gen5capture.aspx |
| 16:31.11 | Kueken | scroll to bottom |
| 16:31.14 | JademusSreg | In simple terms, just work out the probability of not getting the value until it exceeds the mean. |
| 16:31.30 | Dustin|Work | The Pokeballs use WEighted Random im sure |
| 16:32.27 | Kueken | maybe, I don't know |
| 16:33.16 | Dustin|Work | Most randoms in games are not real randoms |
| 16:33.37 | Dustin|Work | But weighted randoms, because true random isn't easy at all |
| 16:34.15 | Zolden | Kueken gimme the link when you find the forumla |
| 16:34.19 | Zolden | this made me curious |
| 16:41.01 | Goa | I played a little with this Renegade X and its quite nice, if I consider it as a beta. |
| 16:41.33 | Dustin|Work | What is it Goa? |
| 16:41.51 | Goa | C&C Fps |
| 16:42.04 | Goa | with some RTS elements |
| 16:43.17 | Dustin|Work | ahh |
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| 17:18.08 | pirate | can't modify user data per player? |
| 17:30.55 | Zolden | but can modify player data per user |
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| 18:25.48 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 18:26.13 | Dustin|Work | Welcome back sir |
| 18:26.36 | JademusSreg | jauntily doffs its hat. |
| 18:27.43 | Dustin|Work | Hour and a half more then it's vacation time :D |
| 18:27.45 | JademusSreg | Good to be back among friends. Or rather, disembodied anthropomorphized names of which I am fond. |
| 18:28.05 | pirate | says the talking burrito |
| 18:28.14 | Dustin|Work | I'll be your disembodied anthromorphized name anyday |
| 18:28.37 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 18:29.56 | Kueken | he |
| 18:30.04 | Kueken | nice one, pirate |
| 18:30.07 | Kueken | made me laugh |
| 18:30.20 | pirate | (y) |
| 18:30.26 | JademusSreg | pir, the ceramic clatterclick your faintly catch carried on the gasping breeze of each night is the sound of the burrito's teeth savoring your delicious scent. =D |
| 18:30.42 | pirate | oh jesus christ |
| 18:30.59 | Kueken | burritos smell with their teeth? |
| 18:31.03 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:31.06 | Dustin|Work | Duh |
| 18:31.24 | Dustin|Work | Haven't you watched "Burito, the deadly smeller", was a good movie. |
| 18:31.38 | Kueken | I smell with my feet, and I thought I was special |
| 18:32.11 | JademusSreg | Syfy channel. Right between Sharknado and Octopussicane in the Stupid Bullshit movie marathon. |
| 18:32.28 | Zolden | dudes, disembodieness allows alien extraterrestrial life forms to penetrate into human communities in order to gain confidence and then perform hostile activities |
| 18:33.23 | Zolden | and if there are alien extraterrestrial life forms, we all can see under which disembodied anthropomorphized name it most probably hides |
| 18:35.15 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a pitch for a new History Channel series. |
| 18:36.00 | Zolden | and this is exactly how undercovered alien extraterrestrial life forms would react to dissolve attention |
| 18:37.10 | JademusSreg | Haven't the faintest idea of what you may be suggesting, and I'm certain you definitely will not be agonizingly disintegrated for suggesting it. |
| 18:38.17 | Zolden | and this is what i'm talking about. Dudes, you see? He's like a snake on hot frying pane! not even hiding anymore! |
| 18:42.52 | kingTD | thinking making from cliff models bunch of variantions of layouts using them and replacing rocks.. but mb its will become too confusing where u can go and where u not? http://snag.gy/6PwW5.jpg |
| 18:43.29 | pirate | wat |
| 18:43.50 | JademusSreg | Biggest bird droppings evar. Awesome. |
| 18:47.11 | kingTD | poo replacing cliff models http://i.snag.gy/fofhI.jpg |
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| 18:53.58 | mille25 | hi |
| 18:54.29 | pirate | ahoy |
| 18:54.46 | mille25 | Still playing the pirate role, pirate ? |
| 18:54.56 | pirate | literally my job |
| 18:55.02 | mille25 | Ah. |
| 18:58.10 | JademusSreg | Hi thar mille. |
| 18:58.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:58.45 | mille25 | Just finished coding conveyor belts for our most recent map which allow you to use them to move faster. Yes, its that crazy. |
| 18:59.09 | Dustin|Work | niceee |
| 18:59.18 | pirate | sounds neat |
| 18:59.32 | mille25 | And of course they are powered by electricity and can be turned on/off by using a control station. |
| 19:00.00 | Zolden | kingTD maybe make them walkable and, since they are units, add a range buff for archers |
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| 19:01.38 | kingTD | Zolden with walkability its some what a challenge to generate those structures to connect each other just to be walked on. |
| 19:03.00 | Zolden | mille25 or you can place there food so it would travel, like in duke nukem |
| 19:03.33 | Zolden | kingTD connecting is not necessary, let they be discrete and slopeless, pure abstractions |
| 19:03.56 | Zolden | and let blizz be ashaned about this for being lazy to improve terrain deformers |
| 19:04.34 | mille25 | My hopes are on patch 2.2. :D |
| 19:04.48 | mille25 | Im sure it will fullfill all our dreams... *cough* |
| 19:05.08 | Zolden | yea, i'm optimistic too |
| 19:05.14 | mille25 | ;) |
| 19:05.27 | mille25 | I'm in heaven by the way. |
| 19:05.32 | kingTD | welll... wellllllllllllll... mb some other time there will be walkables. For now i really need more shapes for these pathing blockers |
| 19:05.33 | Dustin|Work | That cough leads me to believe you have some insider info |
| 19:05.34 | mille25 | Working in the map instead of the engine at the moment. |
| 19:05.38 | mille25 | GUI is soooo fast. :D |
| 19:05.52 | Dustin|Work | Sooo slow you mean :P |
| 19:05.57 | mille25 | Nope... fast. :D |
| 19:06.08 | mille25 | But its starting to slow down already. Adding more and more code. |
| 19:06.20 | Dustin|Work | Try to concat a string with 10 parameters |
| 19:06.23 | Dustin|Work | :P |
| 19:06.24 | mille25 | But im used to work with GUI that stores like 120k lines of galaxy code so im used to alot of lag. |
| 19:06.28 | Dustin|Work | See how fast you are then! |
| 19:06.38 | Dustin|Work | Oh I see what you're saying |
| 19:06.52 | mille25 | String concat is no big deal. Doing it all the time. |
| 19:07.00 | Dustin|Work | It's SO SLOW |
| 19:07.00 | mille25 | I just use combine String multiple or split it up into multiple cocnats. |
| 19:07.25 | Dustin|Work | im use to just "STRING" . VARIABLE . "STRING" |
| 19:07.44 | Dustin|Work | So adding a new parameter and waiting for the text dialog to show up and save is hella time consuming |
| 19:08.05 | mille25 | Adding parameters to functions or altering them is the worst for me. |
| 19:08.28 | Dustin|Work | That too |
| 19:08.44 | mille25 | I actually got a response to my whining thread a while ago. |
| 19:08.51 | mille25 | But they just asked if the lag improved with 2.1 |
| 19:08.52 | mille25 | haha |
| 19:08.56 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 19:09.05 | Dustin|Work | They need to get someone onto optimizing |
| 19:09.42 | mille25 | Interresting. |
| 19:10.10 | mille25 | http://www.kitguru.net/software/development/jon-martindale/microsoft-responds-to-mantle-with-dx-upgrade-plans/ |
| 19:11.07 | Dustin|Work | Good, at least mantle is making other graphics drivers developers get into gear |
| 19:11.53 | JademusSreg | [09:44:45] <JademusSreg> My kingdom for operator overloading in galaxy. No, better yet, someone else's kingdom. That would be swell. |
| 19:15.54 | mille25 | Dustin|Work: Yep. :) |
| 19:16.31 | JademusSreg | That was elicited from my work on physics system in galaxy. Having coded much of the math foundation ( https://pastee.org/sn5gn ), still disgusted by using functions for arithmetic ops on mathematical structures, precisely the sort of thing that deserves operator overloading. |
| 19:17.04 | mille25 | A Java guy is waiting for operator overloading? L:D |
| 19:17.12 | Zolden | yea, operator overloading would be splendid |
| 19:17.45 | mille25 | Also, how should that even work without classes? |
| 19:17.53 | JademusSreg | Pfft, at least Java has classes and methods. |
| 19:18.25 | Zolden | yea, classes woudl be splendid |
| 19:18.41 | mille25 | .toString()? =D |
| 19:19.41 | JademusSreg | Pleased as I am by having coded all that useful shit, doesn't make using it any more pleasant. |
| 19:20.00 | mille25 | :/ |
| 19:20.39 | JademusSreg | Forced to return arrays through the parameter, no returns, yaaay. |
| 19:21.46 | mille25 | Welcome to C and buffers. :D |
| 19:22.46 | mille25 | I mean, its obvious why all ref types dont work for local variables. They would basically need to introduce custom memory management or a more advanced garbage collection. :( |
| 19:23.17 | mille25 | Otherwise it would allow returning pointers to non-allocated memory areas. |
| 19:24.51 | mille25 | Would be cool if it was possible though. :D |
| 19:25.18 | JademusSreg | Their system is pretty great, for its specific application. But static memory allocation means that any such incredibly useful constructs would need to refer to objects external to the galaxy environment. |
| 19:26.29 | mille25 | JademusSreg: This guy got owned by the story dependency btw. :D http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/63538-strange-trigger/ |
| 19:26.46 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I noticed that earlier, haha. |
| 19:26.47 | mille25 | >177k ms, not bad. :D |
| 19:27.22 | mille25 | Its pretty shitty that you are forced to import the campaign triggers when using story dependencies though. |
| 19:27.25 | JademusSreg | Oh, discovered something earlier. Probably not useful to most users, but good to know. |
| 19:28.07 | JademusSreg | Terrain mesh without blend textures generates a -huge- volume of errors during physics checks. |
| 19:28.25 | mille25 | That appears to be really useful information. |
| 19:28.42 | JademusSreg | So many errors it lagged my game inexplicable. |
| 19:28.45 | JademusSreg | *inexplicably. |
| 19:28.51 | mille25 | Also without debugger? |
| 19:29.44 | JademusSreg | Alt tabbed to the debugger, noticed the error was caused by physics checks of terrain returning a null physics material (due to lack of terrain textures). |
| 19:30.25 | mille25 | Seems like someone forgot the null check. :D |
| 19:30.43 | JademusSreg | Triage'd the issue with the command actorbroadcastto TerrainMgr Destroy |
| 19:30.45 | JademusSreg | Hahah |
| 19:31.05 | mille25 | Does that destroy the entire terrain actor? |
| 19:31.14 | JademusSreg | Without that actor, no physics impact checks with the terrain mesh&textures. |
| 19:32.07 | JademusSreg | Oh the terrain is still visible, since that's not the domain of actors. If it were, cliffs and hardtiles would be modifiable in such a way. |
| 19:32.27 | mille25 | So what exactly is the Terrain manageR? |
| 19:32.36 | mille25 | Is it just for physics? |
| 19:32.42 | JademusSreg | Seems that way. |
| 19:33.42 | Dustin|Work | I hope they learn from their mistakes on Galaxy and make WC4 editor something for the ages |
| 19:34.19 | JademusSreg | SC2 editor is badass, but suffers from the limited scripting language. |
| 19:34.54 | Dustin|Work | Yeah that's what im saying, they need to make more streamlined tools, make it faster, expand on the scripting and we'd be good to go |
| 19:35.24 | pirate | I'm certain they will if arcade marketplace ever gets off the ground |
| 19:35.25 | mille25 | Galaxy was mainly designed to be a simple scripting language, and blizzard will internally never need stuff like classes to design the campaign, so they dont have much motivation of doing so. |
| 19:35.56 | JademusSreg | funcref and such was only even added for the AI devs, by all appearances. |
| 19:36.01 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:36.15 | mille25 | It seems like they are mainly driven by their internal needs! >:/ |
| 19:36.53 | pirate | well, right |
| 19:37.10 | mille25 | And the marketplace... i wont believe it anymore until its here haha. |
| 19:37.27 | pirate | they're clearing testing the waters with the cabinet contest |
| 19:37.28 | mille25 | The delay on that has been ridiculous, even for Blizzard. |
| 19:38.10 | pirate | it's only worth it to them is if people will make quality content that players would actually pay for |
| 19:38.23 | pirate | which has 2 hypotheses |
| 19:38.25 | Dustin|Work | Well after vJass was designed for WC3 I would have thought the blizzard developers would have noticed how much we loved those features and would open more features like CLasses and shit |
| 19:38.38 | mille25 | Its only worth creating high quality content if the tools are not a pain in the ass and there is a way to make money. :D |
| 19:39.09 | pirate | Hypothesis 1) Mod Devs will make high quality mods if incentivized by money |
| 19:39.24 | pirate | Hypothesis 2) Players will pay for high quality mods |
| 19:39.36 | pirate | but it's a bit of a catch 22 since they rely on each other |
| 19:39.50 | mille25 | Im sure players would pay. |
| 19:39.58 | pirate | the cabinet contest is their way of testing Hypothesis 1 |
| 19:39.59 | mille25 | As long as the prices are reasonable and the content is great. |
| 19:40.14 | mille25 | Hell, players even pay for fucking wow pets. |
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| 19:40.22 | mille25 | They will definatly pay for good content. |
| 19:40.48 | pirate | I agree with you, but but from a business standpoint you have to make decisions based on empirical evidence |
| 19:41.13 | mille25 | There is enough evidence though. |
| 19:41.17 | JademusSreg | Skeptical. |
| 19:41.19 | mille25 | Pretty much all online platforms for software |
| 19:41.22 | mille25 | Steam |
| 19:41.26 | mille25 | Android Marketplace etc. |
| 19:41.38 | mille25 | + All the people paying even for visual shit in games. |
| 19:41.51 | pirate | right, but it's not yet proven for galaxy as a dev tool |
| 19:42.07 | mille25 | Well, the SC2 campaign was created in the tools. |
| 19:42.09 | pirate | which is why it hasn't been high on their priority list |
| 19:42.24 | JademusSreg | Context to consider. Until Bnet is mobile, so to speak, the galaxy platform is not comparable to such lucrative platforms. |
| 19:42.25 | pirate | remember the first mod contest? in like 2010 or 2011? |
| 19:42.44 | pirate | they were trying to test hypothesis 1 |
| 19:42.46 | pirate | and it failed |
| 19:42.51 | mille25 | JademusSreg: I hope it gets independent soon. Ive heard hints at Blizzcon, too. |
| 19:42.55 | pirate | because no good games came out of that |
| 19:43.07 | JademusSreg | Yep, I'm informed. =D |
| 19:43.15 | mille25 | But i was kinda told to not tell anyone |
| 19:43.15 | mille25 | haha |
| 19:43.21 | Dustin|Work | What?? |
| 19:43.23 | Dustin|Work | WHAT |
| 19:43.25 | Dustin|Work | :O |
| 19:43.37 | mille25 | I dont have any concrete information though. |
| 19:43.48 | pirate | arguably because the tools weren't developed enough / devs not experienced enough / incentives weren't high enough |
| 19:43.56 | mille25 | Basically I asked one of the blizzard guys if we will see the Arcade in the Blizzard launcher at some point, just like their games. |
| 19:44.05 | Dustin|Work | What do you mean Independent exactly? |
| 19:44.09 | JademusSreg | Like I said, "Until", not "Unless". |
| 19:45.17 | mille25 | And from his response it kinda sounded like the Arcade would get more sperate from Starcraft and more independent. No hard evidence or information though and no promises, just real casual talk. |
| 19:46.24 | Dustin|Work | Hmm |
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| 19:46.35 | pirate | an independent and accessible game development engine and marketplace could be pretty profitable for them |
| 19:46.43 | Dustin|Work | I think they should say fuxk galaxy and make a new standalone game making platform |
| 19:46.50 | Dustin|Work | So it's not tied to any 1 franchise |
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| 19:47.11 | mille25 | Also now, with heroes coming up based on the same engine, and them hinting that it will be moddable, it kinda makes the entire independend Arcade platform more plausible, IMO. |
| 19:47.13 | Dustin|Work | As it stands, Galaxy is an RTS engine |
| 19:47.51 | mille25 | IT would be complete nonsense to create two seperate Arcades or modding scenes based on the same engine and tools. |
| 19:48.01 | Dustin|Work | And if they are trying to make it independant they need to make some changes to the core code to get things like Key Detection to a place where it's not stupid |
| 19:48.19 | mille25 | Eventually, depends on what they are trying to go for. |
| 19:48.27 | mille25 | It will always be an RTS optimized engine most likely. |
| 19:48.59 | Dustin|Work | Ya, im saying they need to not do that if they want it to be successful las an independant engine |
| 19:49.06 | Dustin|Work | Esp considering how old the SC2 engine is already |
| 19:49.06 | mille25 | If they really wanted it to be smth like "Steam Lite" i guess they would have to make a massive overhaul of the engine and tools. |
| 19:49.15 | Dustin|Work | massssive |
| 19:49.24 | Dustin|Work | This peer to peer lag shit wont fly in that environment |
| 19:49.32 | mille25 | Also they would have to losen their agreements and shit. |
| 19:49.43 | mille25 | No professional devs would give all rights to their projects away. |
| 19:50.07 | Dustin|Work | Oh ya def |
| 19:50.17 | mille25 | So yeah, overall it would be amazing, but there are a lot of challenges on the way if they really wanted to do this. |
| 19:50.27 | mille25 | So id say its unlikely to get that sort of dimension anytime soon. |
| 19:50.49 | mille25 | Even if they would decide to do it right now it would probably take years. |
| 19:51.58 | mille25 | Thats why id be happy with more realisitc small features, such as server side banks, multiplayer campaigns, maybe some sort of light LOD support for 3D camera and maybe even a central Arcade for all galaxy games. |
| 19:52.07 | mille25 | Which is, i think, reasonable and realistic goals. |
| 19:52.24 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I agree |
| 19:52.24 | Dustin|Work | Better Camera control would be sweet |
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| 19:53.55 | mille25 | We are currently working on dirty workarounds to get SCU running well and still looking decent, like hiding entire areas of the map when a player is in another room and shit like that. |
| 19:54.13 | mille25 | Just works for closed environments though. |
| 19:57.02 | Ahli | :) |
| 19:57.13 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/11837514033 |
| 19:57.15 | mille25 | icosapost. :) |
| 19:57.44 | mille25 | The new level of tripplepost. |
| 19:58.07 | JademusSreg | Lovely. |
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| 19:58.43 | Kueken | tripletripletriple |
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| 19:58.59 | mille25 | Icose = 20, just looked that up. |
| 19:59.16 | mille25 | So, i a couple of years, we will have "icosacores" in our computers. |
| 19:59.18 | mille25 | Interresting. |
| 19:59.23 | JademusSreg | Netsplits, woo. |
| 20:00.27 | mille25 | (: |
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| 20:01.21 | mille25 | 3 Dustins. Oh my god. |
| 20:01.25 | Dustin|Work | Yeah those are good tricks for getting around the poor performance |
| 20:01.25 | Dustin|Work | Im actually ver surprised SC2 only uses 2 cores |
| 20:01.25 | Dustin|Work | blows my mind |
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| 20:01.49 | mille25 | The fuck is going on here. |
| 20:02.02 | Ahli | hmm, my d3 reconfiguring thing isn't using the hdd... I'm not sure if it does anything at all |
| 20:02.31 | mille25 | Tough situation Ahli - Interrupting it might damage the entire installation. But waiting may be pointless. :D |
| 20:02.52 | Ahli | well, it seems like it does stuff via system |
| 20:03.25 | Ahli | at least that writes into ros-patch.mpq.part |
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| 20:05.49 | Ahli | ... it tells it is "reconfiguring" but it is downloading |
| 20:06.57 | mille25 | Virus! :D |
| 20:07.18 | Ahli | yay, loading with 46kb/s and I've no idea how much it actually wants to download... great |
| 20:07.41 | mille25 | Oh, talking about slow internet. |
| 20:08.07 | mille25 | Can anyone explain to me why it takes 5 minutes to upload SCU to korea, and 10 seconds for Europe? US takes about 30-60 secs. |
| 20:08.18 | mille25 | I understand that distance affects speed, but it seems a little extreme. |
| 20:08.41 | Ahli | timeouts that trash 99% of your uploaded packets? |
| 20:08.48 | mille25 | Does europe have a super shitty connection to korea or smth? |
| 20:09.02 | Ahli | yes |
| 20:09.08 | mille25 | :/ |
| 20:09.38 | Ahli | but that doesn't explain why an upload is delays that much :D |
| 20:10.08 | mille25 | It kinda pisses me off to wait minutes to upload to KR everytime, especially because they dont play the game anyways. #:d |
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| 20:16.13 | EmperorZolden | Ahli have you fixed your little reconfiguring problem? |
| 20:16.28 | EmperorZolden | kingTD http://img.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/i/9540839A-533A-4C66-92C0-3547F2890673.jpg |
| 20:17.09 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/85osxmxz1w821d5/NerdGawker.png |
| 20:17.15 | Ahli | well, I found out that it is actually downloading something instead of reconfiguring |
| 20:17.17 | kingTD | ohh those beauciful kids |
| 20:17.56 | EmperorZolden | Ahli close the launcher, go remove battle.net folder inside your sc2 installation |
| 20:18.01 | EmperorZolden | then run the launcher again |
| 20:18.20 | Ahli | zolden, it works, the launcher just lies to me in my face |
| 20:19.28 | EmperorZolden | I let it lying 3 hours until I showed who's the boss |
| 20:19.36 | Ahli | holographic food? |
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| 20:20.25 | Ahli | oh, those dolls freak me out |
| 20:25.48 | Ahli | well, at least it downloaded 50 mb already... most likely it is just a few hours away before finishing... the bar's length indicates 7% |
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| 20:32.42 | ArcanePariah | Yoink Boink |
| 20:32.49 | ArcanePariah | How goes it everyone? |
| 20:33.10 | mille25 | Normal. |
| 20:33.31 | Ahli | slow due to slow internet... :S |
| 20:33.39 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 20:35.28 | Kueken | J'tokoh Zohl. |
| 20:36.13 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, how's the Quaternion stuff? |
| 20:36.38 | ArcanePariah | Oh hai Kueken, we have truly been graced today |
| 20:36.50 | Kueken | how come? |
| 20:37.13 | ArcanePariah | Well A) You are here, and B) You are REALLY here and C) I figured out Function and Condition validators |
| 20:37.31 | JademusSreg | Done. Working on the physics shit. Annoyed by ugly code. |
| 20:37.35 | Kueken | consider me interested |
| 20:38.17 | ArcanePariah | Well, which you want first? Condition or Function? |
| 20:38.40 | Kueken | function |
| 20:38.50 | Kueken | I was unable to figure them out on my own |
| 20:39.04 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty, they are rather finnicky in their own right. |
| 20:39.08 | Kueken | (granted, I got frustrated really fast and didn't pursue the matter) |
| 20:39.24 | ArcanePariah | The function validator evaluates each line in order |
| 20:40.03 | ArcanePariah | For each lines, the following occurs: If the Success validator passes, the validator passes. If the Failure validator passes, the entire validator does NOT pass |
| 20:40.36 | ArcanePariah | If A test validator is specified, and it passes, the return is evaluated, and the results of that determine pass or fail |
| 20:41.11 | ArcanePariah | Here is the trick. If a Failure validator does not pass, but neither does a Success validator and no Return is specified, it proceeds to the next line |
| 20:41.29 | Kueken | ok |
| 20:41.36 | ArcanePariah | In the Function validator there is a field for Result Fallback |
| 20:42.04 | ArcanePariah | That result is used in case of ambigous evaluation (No Failures passing, but no Success lines passing either) |
| 20:43.03 | ArcanePariah | The ignore field I *Believe* tests if the validator is ignored, since all validators have an option to be ignored during channeling |
| 20:43.17 | ArcanePariah | And if ignored, passes, like success |
| 20:43.28 | ArcanePariah | But I did not test that part extensively |
| 20:44.01 | ArcanePariah | So function validators can be used for successive evaluations |
| 20:44.13 | ArcanePariah | And have parts that must NOT be true to pass as well |
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| 20:44.38 | ArcanePariah | The important aspect is the short circuit nature of it |
| 20:44.49 | ArcanePariah | If line 1 passes, it does not matter if line 2-5 would not have passed |
| 20:45.01 | Kueken | okay, so Success is an immediate return true, Failure is immediate return false |
| 20:45.09 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 20:45.16 | Kueken | Test true evaluates Return |
| 20:45.34 | ArcanePariah | ANd if it Test is false, is ignored |
| 20:45.36 | Kueken | which again results in immediate return of the Return |
| 20:45.41 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 20:45.50 | Kueken | Test false -> next line |
| 20:45.56 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 20:45.58 | Kueken | unless Break is checked, I assume? |
| 20:46.10 | ArcanePariah | I believe so, break seems to force evaluation |
| 20:46.26 | Kueken | alright, good enough for me :) |
| 20:46.39 | ArcanePariah | In my tests, no matter what lines were below, the lines including and above break were the only ones evaulautated |
| 20:46.42 | Kueken | not sure if I will ever use it :p |
| 20:46.51 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I doubt I will either |
| 20:47.00 | Kueken | and Condition? |
| 20:47.05 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard only uses it for Tactical Burrow functions |
| 20:47.20 | ArcanePariah | In a Nutshell, the validator equilvalent of Switch |
| 20:47.27 | Kueken | condition seems like a subset of function |
| 20:47.46 | ArcanePariah | Each index of If has a Test and Return, and if all of them fail, Else is used |
| 20:47.55 | Kueken | ok |
| 20:48.00 | ArcanePariah | So you can use it as simple if else |
| 20:48.12 | ArcanePariah | But since If is an array, it can be a switch as well |
| 20:48.14 | Kueken | sounds pretty straight forward |
| 20:48.28 | ArcanePariah | Yes, very useful since it eliminates multiple nested combines |
| 20:48.29 | Kueken | thanks for explaining :-* |
| 20:48.48 | ArcanePariah | Allows one to more accurately describe branching validators |
| 20:49.24 | ArcanePariah | In my case, game determines certain behaviors on a unit to determine the max magazine size (Using Compare Charge Used) |
| 20:49.41 | ArcanePariah | So I have a fairly spread/complex decision tree validator |
| 20:49.55 | ArcanePariah | Conditions with Conditions as the returns |
| 20:50.30 | ArcanePariah | But it works, so I have finally devised a fairly accurate near data only ammo system |
| 20:51.15 | ArcanePariah | Whose complexity is only because my game permits a wide variety of max ammo sizes, and also multiple effects to occur based on when reloading happens |
| 20:52.04 | ArcanePariah | The reloading ended up being somewhat trigger based, easier to catch when the reload ends and clear the charges used |
| 20:52.39 | ArcanePariah | I probably should publish my results, since I imagine many games opted to do a trigger based ammo system, with the accompanying pitfalls of that |
| 20:56.33 | ArcanePariah | And you Kueken, anything new and interesting? |
| 20:56.55 | Kueken | not really |
| 20:57.29 | Kueken | playing Pokemon recently :D |
| 20:57.56 | ArcanePariah | lol, by yourself, or with the entire internet? XD |
| 20:58.27 | Kueken | by myself |
| 20:59.20 | ArcanePariah | Christ... they still are playing it... looks like the got to the powerplan on Cinnebar, and got Zapdos |
| 21:00.16 | Kueken | :p |
| 21:01.22 | ArcanePariah | 54k viewers still... I swear to god if they finish this, I'm not sure what I will think of humanity |
| 21:02.20 | Kueken | :D |
| 21:02.28 | ArcanePariah | Oh shit, nvm, they actually beat all the gyms... looks like they grinding because current lineup gets trashed by Elite 4 |
| 21:03.07 | Kueken | in red/blue the jump from last gym to e4 was significant |
| 21:03.54 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, because each gym can be soloed by certain pokemon, Elite 4 is prety diverse and you have to solo run it, I remember having to spend a fortune on potions/revives to survive it first time |
| 21:04.22 | Kueken | just by levels, I mean |
| 21:04.38 | ArcanePariah | Lance is a pure can of suck, since IIRC each Dragonite will use a high level special attack across the elements (Fire Blast, Thunder, Blizzard) |
| 21:04.43 | Kueken | last gym was like 40, 45-ish iirc |
| 21:04.53 | Kueken | and e4 go up to like 75 |
| 21:04.57 | Kueken | I think |
| 21:04.58 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I think the top level NidoKing is 50 |
| 21:05.10 | ArcanePariah | And yeah, the Dragonites from Lance are 70 IIRC |
| 21:05.20 | Kueken | in later versions, the transition was a lot more smooth |
| 21:05.28 | ArcanePariah | So they can just faceroll with Thunder/Blizzard/Hyper Beam |
| 21:05.55 | ArcanePariah | You really really really want a high level Espeon or Alakazam for E4 |
| 21:06.02 | Kueken | ah, so that twitch thing is played by the chat's input? |
| 21:06.14 | ArcanePariah | Since psychic tends to blow away like 2 or 3 of the e4 solo |
| 21:06.18 | ArcanePariah | Well... sort of :D |
| 21:06.29 | ArcanePariah | Right now their is 2 ways it works |
| 21:06.50 | ArcanePariah | If enough people are voting Democracy, he polls the commands and takes the highest voting one in a 10 second window |
| 21:07.10 | ArcanePariah | If enough are voting anarachy, he just grabs commands as fast as he can |
| 21:07.13 | Kueken | yeah, I remember Red/Blue was all about getting to the 4th (?) city, catching an abra, training it a little and one-shotting everything from there |
| 21:07.56 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, mainly because gym 6 is fighting, 5 is poison and 8 is Ground in theory, but most are posion/ground, so all 3 get facerolled by psychic |
| 21:08.08 | Kueken | especially since all the team rocket stuff was poison, thus weak to psychic, so you didn't need any other pokemon for like 80% of battles |
| 21:08.41 | Kueken | psychic was OP in the first editons anyways |
| 21:08.43 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, gold/silver fixed that with dark pokemon, especially Tyrannitar |
| 21:08.55 | ArcanePariah | Since he was ground/dark, he was pretty deadly |
| 21:09.19 | ArcanePariah | Crunch was cheap, since it had like some stupid high chance to flinch |
| 21:09.30 | Kueken | weak to Ghost, which had 1 useable attack in Lick, which sucks balls, and all available Ghosts are Poison as well, making them weak to Psychic :D |
| 21:09.52 | Kueken | and weak to Bug, which didn't do jack shit either, and most bugs were poison as well |
| 21:09.56 | Kueken | pretty hilarious |
| 21:10.15 | ArcanePariah | Well Gold also fixed that, 1 pure ghost, plus the problem was the only pure ghost in Red was Gengar, who was a trade evolve |
| 21:10.34 | ArcanePariah | Missdrevus was the pure ghost they added in gold/silver |
| 21:10.36 | Kueken | or Dragon, which didn't have a single attacking move that was based on your stats |
| 21:10.47 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... |
| 21:10.49 | Kueken | Gengar ist Poison as well, I believe |
| 21:11.10 | ArcanePariah | Hmm.. I thought he was the one who lost the posion on evolve, and ghastly/haunter were ghost/poison |
| 21:11.25 | Kueken | yeah, later games definitely added some more divrsity |
| 21:11.33 | Kueken | nope, just checked, Gengar still poison |
| 21:12.03 | Kueken | and now they decided Dragon is too strong, so they added Fairy |
| 21:12.13 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, which was lame, meant all ghosts got creamed by psychic, and that entire line only had 1 good move, that was a psychic move... |
| 21:12.19 | ArcanePariah | Dream Eater |
| 21:12.41 | Kueken | how come some fluffy fairy monsters are immune to dragon attacks? xD |
| 21:12.49 | ArcanePariah | Rofl |
| 21:12.50 | Kueken | too cute to be eaten by dragon |
| 21:13.51 | Kueken | well, Fairy was purely a balance type, resistant or immune to all the most used types before and weak against all the types that were hardly ever used |
| 21:14.51 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... still psychic is OP mostly because A) It is effective against too many thigns and B) the 1 pure psychic has insane scaling, Alakazam is the definition of a glass cannon |
| 21:15.17 | ArcanePariah | So unless they toned his stat gain down a bit... using psychic from Alakazam hits like a truck |
| 21:15.31 | Kueken | in the more recent versions, psychic is regarded as one of the weaker types |
| 21:15.51 | ArcanePariah | I guess people started using its hard counters (Dark probably) |
| 21:16.02 | Kueken | Alakazam is still pretty good because of good speed and awesome ability |
| 21:16.26 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, that was the other thing, Alakazam had insane speed to boot, so he nearly always got a shot off before dying |
| 21:16.41 | ArcanePariah | (Assuming he didn't just OHK in said first shot) |
| 21:17.27 | Kueken | the addition of Steel and Dark really hurt Psychic |
| 21:17.47 | ArcanePariah | Oh that's right, Steel is resistant to psychic? |
| 21:17.52 | Kueken | Steel is pretty ridiculous as well, with like 11 resistances |
| 21:17.55 | Kueken | yes |
| 21:18.03 | Kueken | steel is resistant to almost everything |
| 21:18.21 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, well, price of being a tank, don't they have terrible damage, almost no moves and horrible speed? |
| 21:18.34 | Kueken | well, they removed 2 resistances in x/y, I think, so its only 9 now |
| 21:18.42 | Kueken | that depends |
| 21:18.52 | Kueken | there are good steel types |
| 21:19.04 | kingTD | well these new rocks cool but seems like needs better borders to determine where the Cliff starts and ends http://snag.gy/jr76R.jpg |
| 21:19.16 | Kueken | steel is a horrible offensive type, but not all steel pokemon have bad offenses |
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| 21:19.25 | Kueken | Scizor for example |
| 21:19.32 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 21:19.42 | ArcanePariah | And what's the Steel/Flying again? |
| 21:19.49 | Kueken | and Steel is super effective vs Fairy now :D |
| 21:19.53 | Kueken | Skarmory? |
| 21:19.56 | Kueken | I think |
| 21:19.57 | ArcanePariah | Maybe |
| 21:20.38 | ArcanePariah | Did they get rid of the lame Fate combo? |
| 21:21.02 | ArcanePariah | Where you got locked in, and then it did a countdown to faint both pokemon, then they swapped out so nothing happened to them? |
| 21:21.29 | Kueken | no idea |
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| 21:27.14 | ArcanePariah | Ugghh, now I'm reminded why Red at the end of Gold/Silver was such a pita, his snorlax tanked for AGES and drained all my ability points |
| 21:28.15 | Kueken | dunno, I had some fighting guy with swords dance, 2 boosts into OHKO |
| 21:29.16 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... you must've had Kabutops, I think he had sword dance naturally |
| 21:30.41 | Kueken | not sure actually |
| 21:30.51 | Kueken | it might have been another boosting move |
| 21:30.56 | Kueken | long time ago |
| 21:31.25 | ArcanePariah | Indeed, kind of creepy I remember most of this stuff, and this was on a tiny ass screen of a GBA |
| 21:31.42 | Kueken | actually, psychic is seen as the worst monotype by some people :D |
| 21:31.52 | ArcanePariah | You playing on a gameboy nowadays or on an emulator? |
| 21:32.03 | ArcanePariah | FML... now I want to go play it... |
| 21:32.05 | Kueken | currently playing a fan-made PC game |
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| 21:36.37 | JademusSreg | Renexagrade. |
| 21:36.44 | JademusSreg | Probably spelled that wrongly. |
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| 21:47.56 | mille25 | Hooooolyyyy shit |
| 21:48.20 | mille25 | HRONO made 5 new posts since i mentioned his icosapost. |
| 21:48.42 | Dustin|Home | dude i saw that |
| 21:48.48 | Dustin|Home | And not one of them makes fucking sense |
| 21:49.05 | Dustin|Home | At first I was like, Someone responded to his post? wtf? then I was like WTF IT WAS HIM |
| 21:49.06 | mille25 | I find it quite amusing actually. |
| 21:49.55 | mille25 | Hes passionate thats for sure. :D |
| 21:51.54 | Dustin|Home | about something lol |
| 21:51.56 | Dustin|Home | Im not sure what |
| 21:59.15 | mille25 | His project. .D |
| 22:01.47 | mille25 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/63538-strange-trigger/#p12 |
| 22:01.50 | mille25 | Interresting outcome. |
| 22:01.59 | mille25 | Might be a warning for all of you using this dependencies. |
| 22:02.04 | mille25 | :) |
| 22:02.29 | JademusSreg | Null unit, any unit. |
| 22:02.33 | mille25 | :) |
| 22:05.42 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/11550165098 |
| 22:05.43 | mille25 | loel |
| 22:07.24 | mille25 | http://www.heroesnexus.com/news/30-planned-alpha-wipe-with-reward-for-testing-real |
| 22:07.27 | mille25 | Interresting. |
| 22:07.32 | mille25 | Daily Quests, wtf. |
| 22:10.59 | Bommes | why wtf? |
| 22:11.03 | Bommes | sounds pretty much exactly like blizzard |
| 22:11.06 | Bommes | to me |
| 22:11.18 | mille25 | Didnt expect any sort of quest model in heroes though. |
| 22:15.21 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/XhcIt.jpg |
| 22:16.49 | mille25 | Nice! |
| 22:17.26 | mille25 | Especially the terrain textures appear to be very sharp. |
| 22:17.39 | Dustin|Home | ya, looks good td |
| 22:18.44 | kingTD | thanks and gn! |
| 22:18.52 | mille25 | Bye. |
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| 22:29.03 | Bounty | peow |
| 22:29.47 | Dustin|Home | powpow |
| 22:30.54 | Ahli | I expect daily quests to be comparable to hearthstone's quests |
| 22:31.42 | Ahli | wins with class, tower kills, etc |
| 22:36.06 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Tutorials - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 22:41.24 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Tutorials - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 22:53.33 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Tutorials - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 23:01.59 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Tutorials - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
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| 23:13.47 | bob22 | hey guys, still having this same issue.. i am using trigger "Issue order to unit, attack targeting unit" .. so using the regular attack ability... the ordered unit attacks other units along the way to the target unit.. is there a way to make it only attack that one target unit and not other stuff along its path? |
| 23:21.01 | ArcanePariah | Is the order of type Order Target? |
| 23:21.25 | ArcanePariah | Or more accurately, Order Targeting UNit |
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| 23:23.50 | Bounty | I can't believe I'm saying this but |
| 23:23.58 | Bounty | I'm playing D3 again and its actually fun now |
| 23:24.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:24.03 | Bounty | new patch |
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| 23:25.15 | Kenoli | They've been hard at work, desperately trying to change diablo 3 into diablo 2 |
| 23:26.49 | Zandose | lol |
| 23:40.47 | Kenoli | These changes seem pretty significant |
| 23:41.11 | Zandose | broke all my builds |
| 23:41.21 | Kenoli | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/12671560/patch-201-now-available-2-25-2014 |
| 23:41.33 | Kenoli | Maybe I'll suffer though the game again |
| 23:52.56 | pirate | but there's mods to be made |
| 23:52.59 | pirate | speaking of which |
| 23:54.30 | pirate | what's up with the GetUserDataImagePath failure while scripting |
| 23:54.36 | pirate | works fine in gui |
| 23:54.52 | pirate | but in script it fucks with the '/'s |
| 23:56.36 | Zandose | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes, (logoff pageron) |
