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| 00:46.07 | pirate | pew pew |
| 00:48.18 | pirate | I hate ui |
| 00:49.23 | pirate | I think Zandose overslept |
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| 00:54.37 | ZandoseNapping | i did |
| 00:55.05 | Zandose | i also went shopping and made dinner |
| 00:58.03 | Zandose | still working on that problem? |
| 01:01.22 | pirate | I don't remember |
| 01:01.31 | Zandose | good |
| 01:02.09 | pirate | I decided to just use dialogs |
| 01:02.11 | pirate | for now anyway |
| 01:02.33 | Zandose | k |
| 01:02.52 | Zandose | was it the lazer going though targeting boxes? i dont get it |
| 01:03.01 | pirate | oh that |
| 01:03.22 | pirate | I decided that all aoe line attacks will have unlimited range |
| 01:03.52 | Zandose | oh |
| 01:04.04 | Zandose | nothing wrong with that |
| 01:04.07 | pirate | I couldn't think of any such line abilities would need a finite range |
| 01:04.41 | pirate | finite is relative, at the moment each battle stage is 18x18 |
| 01:07.56 | Bounty | Is there anyway to give fog of war a texture? |
| 01:10.59 | Zandose | isnt it just fog, particles. |
| 01:11.07 | Zandose | not a image or model |
| 01:11.27 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 01:11.56 | Bounty | could you atleast change its color? |
| 01:12.20 | Zandose | i think so |
| 01:12.29 | Zandose | its in the data editor |
| 01:45.27 | Bounty | Why do all liquor stores refer to themselves as "Discount Liquors"? |
| 01:46.57 | DeadZergling | to encourage Bounty-like clients to come visit? |
| 01:47.13 | Dustin|Home | Hey! A penny discount is still a discount |
| 01:47.15 | Bounty | Not so sure about that |
| 01:47.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:47.27 | Zandose | compared to the cost of a beer at a restaurant.... |
| 01:48.03 | Bounty | Ok but if that is the reason then why don't super markets refer to themselves as "Discount Food" |
| 01:49.01 | Dustin|Home | Cause that sounds like the food is going bad |
| 01:49.05 | Zandose | "lowest price garenteed" |
| 01:49.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:49.44 | Bounty | or |
| 01:50.09 | Bounty | its just BS? |
| 01:50.17 | Zandose | its all designed to attract customers |
| 01:50.30 | Bounty | I know, I was just wondering because they ALL have it |
| 01:50.37 | Zandose | alchol costs a lot. finding a discount helps |
| 01:50.42 | Bounty | So it can't be doing much in terms of making them stand out lol |
| 01:50.56 | Zandose | one person did it and made a profit, others will follow |
| 01:51.01 | Bounty | Its all the same price around here, at any liquor store lol |
| 01:51.42 | Bounty | I suppose |
| 01:51.45 | DeadZergling | thanks for making my statement earlier correct Bounty |
| 01:51.58 | Bounty | What statement and how? |
| 01:52.07 | DeadZergling | [17:46] <DeadZergling> to encourage Bounty-like clients to come visit? |
| 01:52.14 | DeadZergling | [17:51] <Bounty> Its all the same price around here, at any liquor store lol |
| 01:52.32 | Bounty | Yeah, so.... not sure how that makes that statement more true |
| 01:52.33 | DeadZergling | suggesting, you have visited every liquor store in the county |
| 01:52.36 | Zandose | your standing in front of two stores which sell alcohol, one says discount alcohol and the other just says alcohol. Which one do you enter? |
| 01:52.41 | Bounty | There are only 3 nearby |
| 01:52.43 | DeadZergling | and they are trying to get your attention |
| 01:53.00 | Bounty | You don't really need to get someones attention as a liquor store |
| 01:53.04 | Bounty | Just say you have booze |
| 01:53.10 | Bounty | Booze it and they will come |
| 01:53.44 | Bounty | Does not matter Zandose because its all the same price |
| 01:53.49 | Zandose | you have 3 stores in town, the owner of one wants all the customers and adds "discount" to their sign |
| 01:54.07 | Zandose | perhaps a few cents cheaper for loyal customer... |
| 01:54.26 | Zandose | everyone searchs for cheap drinks |
| 01:54.29 | Bounty | Definitely does not work that way around my way |
| 01:54.35 | Bounty | Meh |
| 01:54.38 | Bounty | Maybe back in the day |
| 01:54.39 | DeadZergling | that wouldn't work for Bounty |
| 01:54.41 | Zandose | correct signs make customers want to com |
| 01:54.43 | Zandose | come* |
| 01:54.50 | DeadZergling | they'd have to pay Bounty to take the alcohol after a few short months |
| 01:54.51 | Bounty | Cheap drinks = mega hangover |
| 01:55.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:55.48 | Bounty | I guess it does make sense |
| 01:55.54 | Bounty | Since it costs so much to even open a liquor store |
| 01:55.58 | Zandose | in stores: why are ceiling lights dead white instead of the yellowish we have at home, why is the store painted blue, yellow, or red, why is there candy at the checkout, etc. |
| 01:56.04 | Bounty | Licence etc |
| 01:56.22 | Zandose | why do signs tend to be blue |
| 01:56.33 | Bounty | the hell are you talking about zandose? |
| 01:56.38 | Bounty | I rarely see blue signs |
| 01:56.43 | Zandose | one sec |
| 01:57.05 | Zandose | http://www.walmart.ca/en blue sign |
| 01:57.08 | Zandose | blue words |
| 01:57.27 | Bounty | ok? |
| 01:57.33 | Bounty | That and best buy |
| 01:57.37 | Bounty | kind of |
| 01:57.41 | Zandose | blue is trusting and calming |
| 01:57.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:57.57 | Bounty | So is that why no fast food chains use blue? |
| 01:58.00 | Zandose | lights are dead white to give the impression of clean |
| 01:58.26 | Zandose | candy is out at the checkout to make customers impulse buy |
| 01:58.33 | Zandose | candy is put at the checkout to make customers impulse buy |
| 01:58.38 | Bounty | Yeah, got that |
| 01:58.39 | Zandose | do you know ikea? |
| 01:58.57 | Bounty | I know of it. None of them are close to me |
| 01:59.14 | Zandose | k |
| 01:59.49 | Zandose | ikea is designed to make you walk through their store for a long long time because the longer your there the more youll buy |
| 02:00.10 | Bounty | I can see the whole white light thing being true but the blue sign thing sounds like bs |
| 02:00.16 | Bounty | Not saying they don't do it |
| 02:00.22 | Bounty | Just saying I don't think it makes a diff |
| 02:00.36 | Bounty | Yeah I've been do an ikea |
| 02:00.40 | Bounty | Its a maze |
| 02:00.43 | Bounty | lol |
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| 02:00.58 | Zandose | the retail world is designed to make you spend money |
| 02:01.06 | Zandose | through tricks |
| 02:01.08 | Bounty | Never made me want to buy anything though. I don't think the whole impulse buy technique works as much with furniture |
| 02:01.25 | Bounty | Of course Zandose |
| 02:01.25 | Zandose | impulse buy isnt for furniture |
| 02:01.31 | Zandose | its for small items, like candy |
| 02:01.41 | Zandose | anyways |
| 02:01.46 | Bounty | I did not see any candy randomly placed in ikea |
| 02:01.48 | Zandose | what were we talking about again? |
| 02:01.53 | Bounty | no clue |
| 02:02.05 | Zandose | different kind of store, different theme, different system |
| 02:02.06 | Bounty | I've just been following the evolution of the conversation lol |
| 02:02.13 | Bounty | Usually leads to good stuff |
| 02:02.15 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:02.34 | Zandose | i see |
| 02:02.49 | Bounty | Why do all liquor stores refer to themselves as "Discount Liquors"? |
| 02:02.53 | Bounty | Was how it started |
| 02:02.58 | Zandose | most stores use different tricks to get you to shop there |
| 02:03.01 | Bounty | I mean I know WHY they do it |
| 02:03.02 | Zandose | yep |
| 02:03.09 | Bounty | but its silly at this point because they all say it lol |
| 02:03.28 | Zandose | the problem is if you don't say it you lose out |
| 02:03.38 | Bounty | Eh |
| 02:03.50 | Bounty | Not sure that is true when it comes to liquor stores |
| 02:03.57 | Bounty | If you're open and you are spotted |
| 02:04.01 | Bounty | incoming |
| 02:04.27 | Bounty | Kinda like Fast Food chains |
| 02:04.30 | Zandose | i think this is related to mindsets |
| 02:04.38 | Bounty | If you're really hungry and you want fast food, you will probably stop at the next one you see |
| 02:05.02 | Bounty | I hate Mc Donalds but if I was hungry enough and that was the first one I saw, big mac time |
| 02:05.17 | Bounty | That is true Zandose |
| 02:05.22 | Zandose | when you go to a restaurant and order a beer it costs much more then buying it at the liquor store, correct? |
| 02:05.39 | Bounty | Ordering beer at any place is more expensive |
| 02:05.49 | Bounty | and in those places |
| 02:05.53 | Zandose | people search out cheaper/discounted beer |
| 02:05.57 | Bounty | everything else is just as inflated lol |
| 02:06.16 | Zandose | and just having the discount on the sign implies a discount and thats what people want |
| 02:06.28 | Zandose | a mindset |
| 02:07.29 | Zandose | does that work? |
| 02:09.43 | Bounty | I guess |
| 02:09.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:10.44 | Zandose | i can argue some more if you want |
| 02:13.01 | Bounty | I don't really think its an argument |
| 02:13.31 | Zandose | just having fun |
| 02:13.39 | Bounty | of course >.< |
| 02:14.00 | Bounty | Not sure how long a topic like this can last though haha |
| 02:14.12 | Bounty | Since it really is common sense when you break it down as you did |
| 02:14.12 | Zandose | i have a little more juice |
| 02:14.47 | Bounty | Oh I know |
| 02:15.17 | Bounty | I watched a QI video last night and they said the American Prisoner system is pretty much the reinvention of the slave trade lol |
| 02:15.18 | Bounty | thoughts? |
| 02:15.20 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:15.56 | Zandose | whats QI? |
| 02:16.14 | Bounty | Its a show in England I think (Judging by their accents lol) |
| 02:16.30 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1gF-XicUM |
| 02:17.10 | Fhekgor | QI? quality insurance, you pay people to make you look good |
| 02:17.28 | Bounty | QI = Quite Interesting |
| 02:18.22 | Zandose | i dont see the relation between the slave trade and prisoner system |
| 02:18.40 | Bounty | did you watch it all? |
| 02:19.16 | Zandose | didnt even see the link, my bad |
| 02:19.22 | Bounty | np |
| 02:19.32 | Bounty | ignore the "comedy" parts lol |
| 02:19.43 | Bounty | It is interesting though |
| 02:19.57 | Bounty | Had no idea they produced so much in prison |
| 02:21.47 | Zandose | i can't talk on the subject because i dont know enough |
| 02:21.56 | Bounty | either do I |
| 02:22.04 | Bounty | Really just theories |
| 02:22.59 | Bounty | I think its no surprise that America is a very warlike country and all of their equipment comes from their prison in which they have the highest incarceration rate |
| 02:23.13 | Bounty | Just a theory as I said though |
| 02:24.50 | Bounty | How about... |
| 02:24.56 | Bounty | err |
| 02:25.24 | Bounty | You'll have to come up with something if you want to continue honestly |
| 02:25.39 | Zandose | hmm |
| 02:26.42 | Zandose | i could give my input on the subject but i believe i am the wrong person becayse of my lack of education in history and a lack of understanding on the subject. therefore i choose not to talk |
| 02:27.17 | Bounty | Its really just a matter of mindset I suppose |
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| 02:32.19 | Zandose | do you really want me to give my flawed view on the subject? |
| 02:32.56 | Bounty | If you want sure, its not like you're preaching what you say as fact lol |
| 02:33.10 | Bounty | Just random discussions |
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| 03:29.01 | Bounty | lol holy shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wifUXxsOPMA |
| 03:35.45 | Zandose | not surprised |
| 03:42.19 | Bounty | Yeah but still |
| 03:42.22 | Bounty | crazy |
| 03:45.32 | Bounty | Zandose |
| 03:45.41 | Bounty | Got any great movies to recommend? |
| 03:46.00 | Bounty | The wife and I went through the top 100 on IMBD years ago and we're running dry lol |
| 03:46.13 | Zandose | hmm |
| 03:46.24 | Zandose | im not a big movie person |
| 03:46.54 | Zandose | got netflix? |
| 03:47.14 | Bounty | Nah |
| 03:47.21 | Zandose | sorry to hear that |
| 03:47.23 | Zandose | you should |
| 03:47.32 | Bounty | Wife has it, so I guess you could say yes |
| 03:47.52 | Bounty | I usually just pirate movies and buy them if they're good lol |
| 03:47.52 | DeadZergling | netflix, see all the recent movies that weren't all that good instantly! |
| 03:48.45 | Zandose | Lucky Number Slevin |
| 03:49.11 | pirate | You address me? |
| 03:49.12 | pirate | oh |
| 03:49.14 | pirate | no, you dont |
| 03:49.21 | Bounty | looks good Zandose |
| 03:49.28 | Bounty | Surprised we missed it lol |
| 03:49.50 | Zandose | galaxy quest |
| 03:50.27 | Bounty | Saw it a few weeks ago |
| 03:50.30 | Zandose | Solomon Kane |
| 03:50.35 | Bounty | surprisingly good movie btw ll |
| 03:50.37 | Bounty | lol* |
| 03:50.48 | Zandose | no tv shows? |
| 03:51.09 | Zandose | Gravity |
| 03:51.10 | Bounty | not a fan personally |
| 03:51.14 | Bounty | of tv shows |
| 03:51.27 | Zandose | you like sci-fi? |
| 03:51.35 | Bounty | I like a lot of things |
| 03:51.43 | Zandose | dr who |
| 03:51.53 | Bounty | Don't like TV series |
| 03:51.54 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:52.02 | Zandose | why? |
| 03:52.54 | Bounty | No idea, just don't like them |
| 03:53.15 | Zandose | Inception |
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| 03:53.20 | Bounty | Only time I watch TV is when I am extremely bored. When that happens I usually just watch the currently running marathon of Law and Order SVU |
| 03:53.23 | Bounty | saw it |
| 03:53.25 | Zandose | Riddick moives |
| 03:54.02 | Zandose | Limitless |
| 03:55.12 | Zandose | ip man |
| 03:55.44 | Zandose | Mr. Smith Goes to Washington |
| 03:56.12 | Zandose | can i do anime? |
| 03:56.29 | Zandose | judge dread |
| 03:58.52 | Zandose | The Great Escape |
| 03:59.18 | Bounty | That is enough for now |
| 03:59.27 | Bounty | Got about 3 |
| 03:59.29 | Zandose | The Lincoln Lawyer |
| 03:59.31 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:00.10 | Zandose | anime? |
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| 04:33.26 | Fhekgor | for banks, how would you stop the bank from saving into a specific key? |
| 04:33.50 | Fhekgor | instead of key1, i want key2 |
| 04:36.18 | Fhekgor | would if-then statements stop the save |
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| 05:38.59 | Fhekgor | where is the save location of editor banks |
| 05:40.12 | Zandose | C:\Users\something\Documents\StarCraft II\Banks |
| 05:42.44 | Zandose | i think im mistaken |
| 05:43.24 | Zandose | C:\Users\Someone\Documents\StarCraft II\Accounts\#########\##########\Banks |
| 05:44.06 | turtles1 | it's a different location for offline as well |
| 05:44.34 | Zandose | oh |
| 05:44.35 | turtles1 | still within the starcraft instilation folder though |
| 05:45.27 | turtles1 | sorry, I mean, still within the users starcraft folder. |
| 05:46.23 | Zandose | will the horrors never cease! |
| 05:51.29 | Bounty | I think I have just seen the funniest thing ever |
| 05:51.31 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxJp5VeC-o#t=2m45s |
| 05:51.33 | Bounty | Wait for it |
| 05:51.40 | Bounty | "Oh... OOOOOOOOOOH!" |
| 05:53.13 | Zandose | has wasted 1 minute of his life |
| 05:53.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:53.29 | Bounty | I guess its just me? |
| 05:53.50 | Zandose | yes, just you |
| 05:53.53 | Bounty | that enthusiasm is hilarious IMO |
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| 06:19.17 | Delphinium | Hi~ |
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| 06:19.32 | Delphinium | JademusSreg, how is everything going? |
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| 09:16.42 | kingTD | heh those endless loops :s |
| 09:21.56 | Zolden | kingTD http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/merleblancdb/67738234/969771/969771_original.png |
| 09:22.09 | kingTD | okay.. still not breaking.. |
| 09:24.01 | kingTD | hey its back |
| 09:24.12 | kingTD | so 5-6 mins of looping |
| 09:24.13 | Zolden | kingTD btw, we had map for 3 players, and had had no much units, but still fps fas about 20 |
| 09:24.23 | Zolden | some perfomance leaks are still there |
| 09:24.41 | Zolden | kingTD do you at least have no units outsisde of the map boundaries? |
| 09:24.58 | kingTD | nope, whole map is filled with units |
| 09:25.15 | Zolden | gj |
| 09:25.22 | Zolden | add more |
| 09:25.40 | Zolden | fill flying plane with invisible flying units |
| 09:25.49 | Zolden | also alot of burrowed unis |
| 09:25.50 | kingTD | there are, invisble units running at the same time in layer 2 of pathing layer |
| 09:26.10 | Zolden | yea, you're very inventive mapmakingman |
| 09:26.40 | kingTD | what size of map it was and what u played? |
| 09:28.17 | Zolden | aok, 3 players one |
| 09:28.25 | kingTD | game mode? |
| 09:28.32 | kingTD | map size |
| 09:28.39 | Zolden | 4 players, one left, one afk, one noob -> 20 fps |
| 09:29.09 | kingTD | i guess the replay may be some what helpful more then |
| 09:29.11 | Zolden | map size in the dropdown menu has "3 players", "6 players" size |
| 09:29.37 | Zolden | just start a map with 4 players and check fps |
| 09:29.45 | Zolden | on small map |
| 09:29.51 | Zolden | lazy to find shitty replauy |
| 09:30.54 | kingTD | then problem wont be fixed. |
| 09:33.06 | Zolden | i don't see why me playing it will differ from you playing it, i didn't even change anything in the option, just clicked start |
| 09:34.06 | kingTD | it determens when he left, and other shit can be noticed when the game goes |
| 09:36.19 | Zolden | he left in 3 minutes after start |
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| 09:43.54 | Buswolley | is there some way to change font/style settings for text tags? |
| 09:44.03 | Buswolley | seems to be no trigger related to style |
| 09:44.49 | Zolden | you can add style inside text by adding tags |
| 09:44.58 | Zolden | not sure, but try |
| 09:45.05 | Buswolley | ahh |
| 09:48.24 | Buswolley | hey that totally works |
| 09:48.27 | Buswolley | thanks zolden |
| 09:57.30 | kingTD | btw zolden did it lagged all from the beginning or just when player lefT/ |
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| 10:26.52 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 10:28.58 | kingTD | to pew pew pew |
| 10:29.31 | Zolden | kingTD don't think it changed after the dude left, and it didn't feel like lagging, I just check fps of maps I play to see how noob the mapmaker, and your map had 20-25 without reasons |
| 10:30.01 | JademusSreg | Did you run it with the debugger? |
| 10:30.22 | Zolden | if it's to me - no |
| 10:30.44 | JademusSreg | Then there's a reason, and it's currently unknown. |
| 10:30.49 | Zolden | i'd rather run with denoobber |
| 10:30.54 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 10:56.18 | JademusSreg | Zol, the other day in your physics map I cranked up the density of water and changed the material of the physics planks to water, and they did this fun bouncy thing on the surface. |
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| 11:13.39 | Zolden | JademusSreg just imagine: a bike picks a bonus or uses an abil, and turns into something that moves through the tail walls bouncing them away. How to do: buff aura turns nearest wall units into physics actors and applies force |
| 11:14.02 | Zolden | oh, wait, you have your own physics, so it doesn't matter |
| 11:18.03 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I can use Havok physics for non-gameplay stuff. |
| 11:18.24 | JademusSreg | For example, when a photon cycle explodes, and sends little holocubes everywhere. |
| 11:21.05 | JademusSreg | Still working on physics. Once that's complete, collision. |
| 11:23.30 | Zolden | i don't remember if I added any force channels to holocubes particles |
| 11:24.38 | JademusSreg | That might be useful. =D |
| 11:28.40 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Abilities / Morph - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/abilities/morph/ |
| 12:12.51 | Zolden | ok, tell me when you reach that phase and i'll do it |
| 12:13.18 | Zolden | so you could test it and confirm the ability |
| 12:17.24 | Zolden | kingTD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5J1B8JBRBs |
| 12:18.33 | kingTD | epic minds colide |
| 12:21.17 | Zolden | though, it misses tits of the operator |
| 12:51.38 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 12:53.38 | JademusSreg | Not quite sure what is transpiring in the video. |
| 12:56.09 | Zolden | dude tied his car to the trolleybus, but faced unexpected consequences, which were amplified by road police arrival |
| 12:56.43 | JademusSreg | Ah, clever idiot. |
| 12:56.46 | Zolden | it went petergriffinish i'd say |
| 13:31.28 | kingTD | heh seem like half day spent making this castle generation but still no where near to being something Enclosed as castle.. so much holes and those corners |
| 13:32.59 | Zolden | what's castle generation? |
| 13:35.48 | kingTD | for new Game Mode, Fortress siege. |
| 13:36.05 | kingTD | Trying to make code that would surround Fortress players with walls, |
| 13:36.20 | kingTD | and then replace random walls sections with gates |
| 13:36.48 | kingTD | and randomly place in fortress players castles Towers, Castles, mb one other unit too |
| 13:37.17 | kingTD | while they are generated between rocks, Attackers surrounded only by trees and waters |
| 13:38.18 | kingTD | since walls 3x1 + vertical and horizontal its quite a headache |
| 13:38.34 | Zolden | interesting task |
| 13:42.04 | duckies | kingTD AoK without basebuilding? |
| 13:43.07 | kingTD | for now plan is to make usual gameplay only with castles setting, and balance to make 3v5 siege possible |
| 13:44.44 | duckies | by castle setting you mean like underground base setting in original RA? where you've got a bunch of troops and you do stuff in a whole different tileset? that was awesome.. you're probably not doing that T_T |
| 13:44.58 | Zolden | besides that fact that implementing autowalls is a nice task, I wnat to say that the whole walls idea is shit, becasue making one breach is enough to put the whole army into the base, and winning is not possible with only castling |
| 13:45.10 | Zolden | duckies i thought so too |
| 13:46.20 | kingTD | nope, have no clue what u talking about |
| 13:46.46 | Zolden | he said about inner castle's rooms |
| 13:46.52 | kingTD | Its not about winning its about fun times |
| 13:47.04 | Zolden | like when in diablo we come into the church and travel inside the building |
| 13:48.04 | kingTD | mb u mean like those SC1 mission where u get few units and run around killing shit? |
| 13:48.13 | Zolden | kingTD competition, drama, fight - that's what makes anything interesting |
| 13:48.21 | Zolden | kingTD it's waht he said |
| 13:48.30 | Zolden | RA had those missions first |
| 13:48.47 | kingTD | RA HAD IT FIRST!!! FUCK BLIZZARD IN DA ARSSEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:48.47 | Zolden | well, actually WC1 had it first |
| 13:49.03 | Zolden | so, blizz butt can sleep calm |
| 13:50.11 | kingTD | not a fan of those running around missions killing shit and search for shit and more units |
| 13:50.48 | Zolden | but you started this topic because of your english |
| 13:51.20 | JademusSreg | Watched Daily Show, saw math teacher chick who videos roof-traversing + bust, she said Russia has a saying "Don't be a pussy". Can Zolden confirm this is the culture's defining principle? |
| 13:51.35 | duckies | but isn't that what you do in aok, you run around with your little scouts and your little armies killing other guys guys and while you do it you build more units.. why so conflicted TD? :D |
| 13:52.07 | kingTD | english not a factor, it just wasnt mentioned that there were discluded the Base Building or u get few units to defend or kill shit, I just said what it generates for players |
| 13:53.25 | kingTD | duckies, there u build stuff, manage, a click to enemy base, macro. And with Ur dungen cleaning game style, not a fan still |
| 13:53.26 | Zolden | JademusSreg don't think it has a special place other than it's in other cultures |
| 13:54.11 | duckies | too complicated td, go make a castle siege map! |
| 13:55.04 | kingTD | if it had some kind of units respawn, or base to to manage shit, yes then, its decent. Not that colidor to run through with some options that are given to u. |
| 13:55.20 | JademusSreg | Example frame from video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3mhskr7ynzt0kx3/RoofBust.png |
| 13:55.55 | kingTD | those tities tho... |
| 13:56.04 | Zolden | oh, i saw this vid, it's fun |
| 13:56.11 | JademusSreg | Gave that to google image searchm and it provides links to videos, how helpful. |
| 13:56.51 | JademusSreg | And facebook page, how invasive. |
| 13:57.12 | Zolden | yea, soon it will be enough to send person's finger to google to get links to all videos that person participated in |
| 13:57.43 | JademusSreg | But that limits it to 10 searches. D= |
| 13:58.29 | Zolden | if 1/x part of finge is enough, it will limit to 10 * x searches |
| 14:06.14 | Zolden | or maybe it will soon be enough to send a finger to google and get the whole body in return |
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| 14:43.46 | JademusSreg | Wonder what will happen since I've refactored out various flow controls to avoid divide-by-zero in favor of epsilon minimum. |
| 14:44.22 | JademusSreg | I expect it will cause jitter. |
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| 14:53.07 | Zandose | test |
| 14:54.54 | JademusSreg | icles |
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| 15:22.56 | kingTD | http://static.ongamers.com/uploads/scale_super/0/22/6076-dota2_imrunningoutofpitgifs.gif |
| 15:26.59 | JademusSreg | Not sure how it relates to the game, but it is comical. |
| 15:27.39 | kingTD | its every patch prediction for new hero release |
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| 15:28.39 | JademusSreg | Er, in the sense that people panic or everyone wants to play the new hero? |
| 15:30.33 | kingTD | havent put it there for u to explain the relation between picture and prediction, ur call on this one |
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| 15:30.59 | JademusSreg | Oh, I have no idea, merely attempting to understand. |
| 15:31.38 | kingTD | we can just mindlessly consume this content at least! |
| 15:32.52 | JademusSreg | But then it doesn't contribute to my enrichment. D= |
| 15:33.53 | kingTD | thats why im backing out to speculate how it relates to it. |
| 15:34.35 | kingTD | Anyway, those videos from 3 years ago of AoK gameplay is still cool. Those Dark Templars as ranged units ^^ |
| 15:35.49 | JademusSreg | remembers making dreadlords as siege units. |
| 15:37.02 | kingTD | yeah or that update where Crossbowman where running x10 normal speed |
| 15:49.25 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, siege dreadlords were from my entry to the custom race contest way back. |
| 15:50.12 | JademusSreg | iirc, called them Emissaries. |
| 15:51.42 | Zolden | primal zerg evolution model would fail badly |
| 15:52.15 | Zolden | becuase the worse the organisme, the higher chance it has to give its genes |
| 15:52.37 | Zolden | and the better it is, the less the chance to not share it with anyone |
| 15:52.46 | Zolden | also, no source of new modifications |
| 15:52.52 | Zolden | only stealing from each other |
| 15:52.57 | Zolden | complete fail |
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| 15:58.01 | JademusSreg | Wasn't clear how primal zerg reproduced, in any case. |
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| 16:02.29 | Zolden | probably they shit in each other asses to reproduce |
| 16:02.40 | Zolden | if we reapply the evolution principe |
| 16:07.14 | pirate | but |
| 16:07.17 | pirate | I had questions about funcref |
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| 16:24.17 | Zolden | what questions? |
| 16:24.25 | Zolden | also yarr |
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| 16:25.03 | Zolden | pirate https://pastee.org/8tfvm |
| 16:25.14 | Zolden | if this don't help, ask Jade |
| 16:25.22 | pirate | thanks |
| 16:25.39 | pirate | I copy/pasted jade's funcref example script into a test map and got errors |
| 16:26.15 | Zolden | guess he's the only one to help |
| 16:26.17 | Zolden | maybe mille |
| 16:26.37 | Zolden | have you tried to not copypaste, but understand and recreate? |
| 16:28.07 | pirate | I do that from copy pasting and then tweaking each moving piece until I understand them |
| 16:28.15 | pirate | and then I go recreate for my own purposes |
| 16:29.55 | pirate | typedef requires a type :/ |
| 16:30.45 | pirate | the thing I don't understand is what the <> is for / means |
| 16:36.00 | Zolden | do you do you stuff in custom script action or in script thing that is created in the list of triggers? |
| 16:36.38 | pirate | I use an include script |
| 16:37.36 | pirate | no rush, I think that funcref could be used to optimize my ability data functions but in the mean time they work |
| 16:40.13 | Zolden | <> should have function name |
| 16:40.30 | Zolden | so the funcref variable know how many parameters required |
| 16:41.10 | Zolden | in c++ it makes the templates know what type they are dealing with |
| 16:41.56 | pirate | this is the part where I wish I had a programming background :/ |
| 16:44.00 | Zolden | yea programming background for mapmaking is like colossus vs army of marines |
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| 16:54.36 | kingTD | finally made trebs auto siege if in range the target unit |
| 16:56.00 | Goa | Zolden unupgraded Billy is too strong |
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| 17:01.46 | Zolden | still? i thought i nerfed him enough |
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| 17:01.58 | Zolden | kingTD gj |
| 17:02.30 | kingTD | just nerf that 3% already! |
| 17:02.43 | Zolden | do they unsiege on move command or when has no buildings in range? |
| 17:03.32 | kingTD | no buildings in range but can be in fog of war (treb vision 6-8, range weapon 12-14) |
| 17:04.09 | kingTD | and auto cast on unsiege should be on too |
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| 17:13.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:13.16 | Zolden | pirate look how's here |
| 17:13.28 | kingTD | smily face |
| 17:13.35 | kingTD | smity |
| 17:13.48 | pirate | yeah but now I'm drawing concept art and am too distracted to think about funcrefs |
| 17:13.55 | JademusSreg | Internet connection shit itself for an hour, then resumed working. |
| 17:14.48 | pirate | I need a protoss name that starts with "Dunk" |
| 17:15.04 | JademusSreg | funcref is easy; it's a reference to a function, yay. |
| 17:15.49 | JademusSreg | Dunkyathinkprotossavoidsuchbarbaricnames? |
| 17:16.03 | pirate | dunkthatsthejoke |
| 17:16.48 | JademusSreg | Dunkun Adunoughts. |
| 17:17.00 | JademusSreg | Alt spelling: Adunaughts. |
| 17:17.08 | pirate | only needs a first name |
| 17:17.26 | pirate | nvm I figured it otu |
| 17:17.36 | JademusSreg | http://assets.fontsinuse.com/static/use-media-items/10/9038/full-1452x590/52cb2161/dunkin-donuts-logo1.jpeg |
| 17:28.43 | JademusSreg | Yay, finally got a nice 4sqr matrix inverse function. |
| 17:29.59 | JademusSreg | Saw a bunch of other versions that calculated determinants after element inverse values, gross. |
| 17:42.34 | JademusSreg | pir, I'm curious what issue you may have using funcref. |
| 17:53.02 | pirate | oh |
| 17:53.21 | pirate | copy/pasted your funcref demo into an included script in a testmap |
| 17:53.26 | pirate | errors all over the place |
| 17:53.34 | pirate | tbh Im not entirely sure I need func refs |
| 17:54.16 | JademusSreg | Not sure how you'd encounter errors. Which script? |
| 17:55.46 | pirate | give me some mins |
| 17:56.03 | JademusSreg | gives some mins. |
| 18:00.15 | pirate | I dont even remember what it was I wanted to do |
| 18:00.52 | JademusSreg | If I had to guess, either an array of functions or passing functions via parameter. |
| 18:00.54 | pirate | something with my ability library |
| 18:02.52 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.55 | pirate | which currently looks like that |
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| 18:04.00 | pirate | the obstacle to overcome now is that I have more data fields to add to each ability since they're more complicated than buffs. notably: |
| 18:04.05 | JademusSreg | It doesn't use arrayref, structref or funcref. |
| 18:04.14 | pirate | nope |
| 18:04.20 | pirate | could it be improved with those? |
| 18:04.42 | pirate | or does anything jump out at you that could be done better |
| 18:05.12 | pirate | wtb free code consulting for my birthday |
| 18:05.18 | JademusSreg | Yeah, User type data. |
| 18:06.09 | JademusSreg | Also, it could benefit from structref usage, but it's not significant. |
| 18:06.24 | pirate | user type data? |
| 18:06.56 | JademusSreg | User type data would be useful in separating content from program logic. |
| 18:08.24 | pirate | any performance benefits over datatable |
| 18:08.40 | pirate | (I didnt know user type data existed and it looks awesome and thats what Im doing today) |
| 18:08.43 | Goa | this game is even better than flappy http://www.addictinggames.com/funny-games/dontshootthepuppy.jsp |
| 18:09.28 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's a design/development concern, not a performance concern. HotS campaign used it extensively. UserType tab in the data editor allows one to define structures and their instances. |
| 18:11.11 | pirate | performance isn't a huge issue since ability data is only called when an ability is used, and it's turn based so not uber frequently by any means |
| 18:12.03 | pirate | but cool |
| 18:13.01 | JademusSreg | As for how you might use structref, rather than passing the array index values, it would allow you to pass the struct reference. Reduces global scope lookups, ever-so-slightly better performance, more readable code. |
| 18:14.01 | pirate | These are both things I want |
| 18:14.51 | JademusSreg | But structref and arrayref are one-way; can only be passed by parameter or defined as locals. So functions can't return them, they can't be struct fields, can't be globals, et cetera. |
| 18:15.10 | JademusSreg | This is a consequence of galaxy's static memory allocation. |
| 18:15.42 | pirate | hm |
| 18:18.41 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, returning a structref/arrayref from a scope would refer to invalid memory registers. Worst case, the memory to which it refers could be operated on, allowing a map or mod to execute arbitrary code. =D |
| 18:20.09 | JademusSreg | And many of us still remember when wc3 maps were packages for malicious code. |
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| 18:22.34 | Bounty | kapeow |
| 18:23.17 | JademusSreg | Crabcake. |
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| 18:23.33 | Dustin|Home | Jade, that time sucked cause I was using that hack for other cool shit and then they patched it :( |
| 18:23.33 | Bounty | mmm |
| 18:23.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 18:25.56 | JademusSreg | The folks at wc3c kept it pretty quiet for a while, but eventually the toopsekrit of arbitrary code execution got out and return bug was patched out of existence. |
| 18:26.36 | Bounty | Oh dear god |
| 18:26.38 | Bounty | http://store.steampowered.com/app/273940/ |
| 18:27.19 | JademusSreg | Yep, that's definitely a thing you've got there. |
| 18:27.46 | Zolden | why they say it's hitler moustache? http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2014/02/25/Netanyahu-gives-Germany-s-Merkel-a-Hitler-moustache.html |
| 18:27.53 | Zolden | it's too wide |
| 18:27.56 | Bounty | Agreed, it definitely meets the criteria to be a thing |
| 18:28.20 | JademusSreg | And it has all those features and qualities, allowing it to be described. |
| 18:28.33 | JademusSreg | Really, truly a describable thing. |
| 18:43.49 | Bounty | So I am once again torn on camera perspective JademusSreg lol |
| 18:44.23 | Bounty | Actually I really don't think I have a choice |
| 18:44.43 | Bounty | Inventory and highlighting abilities/spells requires free mouse |
| 18:45.08 | JademusSreg | Certainly helps. |
| 18:45.20 | Bounty | Would be a burden in third person view |
| 18:45.28 | Bounty | to have to unlock the mouse from the camera manually |
| 18:45.53 | JademusSreg | Yeah, or otherwise design all interactions to work without it. |
| 18:47.55 | Bounty | Not sure it could be made fluid |
| 18:51.43 | Zolden | Bounty just make it fiveth person view |
| 18:52.06 | Zolden | oh, it's fifth |
| 18:52.32 | Bounty | u mean traditional nox/diablo? |
| 18:53.01 | Zolden | i mean something indescribable |
| 18:53.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:55.20 | kingTD | okay lets freeze the game |
| 18:55.30 | kingTD | FREEEEEEEEEEZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! |
| 18:55.40 | JademusSreg | Yay! |
| 18:56.26 | kingTD | heh.. ffs the loop dont to loop |
| 18:58.22 | Zolden | kingTD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqSvu4K8WrE |
| 18:58.30 | Bounty | dem impact physics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-UZJkdJMNg |
| 18:58.43 | kingTD | heh, not long enough freeza happened :/ |
| 18:59.47 | kingTD | qwer |
| 19:00.42 | Zolden | Bounty clicking top move -> suck |
| 19:00.54 | Bounty | ? |
| 19:01.20 | Zolden | move should happen without anything or with wasd |
| 19:01.28 | Zolden | but clicking to move in arcade is gay |
| 19:01.32 | kingTD | like move mouse all day |
| 19:01.50 | Bounty | I would use the move system I did for Gnolls vs Trolls |
| 19:02.01 | Bounty | in that you move by holding down right click |
| 19:02.27 | Zolden | sounds undue |
| 19:02.59 | kingTD | too much holding |
| 19:03.26 | kingTD | I DONT WANT TO PLAY!!! LET ME FUCKING WATCH HOW IT PLAYS ITSELF! |
| 19:03.31 | Bounty | yeah, not like holding down buttons does not occur with wasd >.< |
| 19:04.02 | Bounty | butchered that sentence... |
| 19:04.28 | Bounty | one handed typing ftl |
| 19:04.42 | Zolden | holding mouse button implies moving mouse to show the direction |
| 19:04.57 | Zolden | wasd doesn't require shit |
| 19:06.09 | kingTD | bounty why u touching urself now ? :< gross |
| 19:06.32 | Bounty | holdin the childspawn |
| 19:06.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:06.42 | Bounty | u sick fuck >.< |
| 19:11.01 | Zolden | |-<O>-| |
| 19:11.03 | Zolden | pew |
| 19:11.04 | Zolden | pew pew |
| 19:11.46 | Bounty | kapow |
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| 19:22.58 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 19:47.57 | Fhekgor | does anyone know what action I should use to give a player unit control over player 2? |
| 19:48.19 | Bounty | set alliance |
| 19:48.45 | Fhekgor | thanks |
| 19:48.49 | Bounty | np |
| 19:53.16 | pirate | who's played dark souls? |
| 19:55.36 | Fhekgor | i watched world record holder speed run dark souls |
| 19:58.25 | pirate | http://imgur.com/a/q0FTg |
| 19:58.40 | pirate | concept art |
| 20:04.51 | Fhekgor | SC2 Patch Nerf on my birthday WHOO HOO |
| 20:08.20 | Dustin|Home | Path Nerf? |
| 20:08.28 | Dustin|Home | Patch* |
| 20:08.47 | Fhekgor | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444540 |
| 20:08.59 | Fhekgor | Balance Patch Nerf |
| 20:16.45 | kingTD | WHY?!?!?! |
| 20:16.48 | kingTD | WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY?! |
| 20:16.51 | kingTD | WHY TL!?!?! |
| 20:22.29 | Zolden | something uploaded on my sc2 |
| 20:22.40 | Zolden | hope it wasn't his gf moved in |
| 20:22.49 | Zolden | it consumes too many hdd space already |
| 20:26.01 | Fhekgor | SKTT1 shirts are availabe via TL store Mar 3 |
| 20:26.02 | Zolden | damage that consumes only shields? |
| 20:26.05 | Zolden | how to do it? |
| 20:26.19 | Zolden | some tricky flag? |
| 20:29.58 | Goa | not really |
| 20:30.13 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:30.23 | Goa | its like attribute extra damage. |
| 20:31.12 | Zolden | oh, we can do that? is there energy damage? |
| 20:33.04 | Goa | might be |
| 20:33.48 | Goa | btw Zolden, you.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435978¤tpage=6#103 |
| 20:38.34 | Zolden | Goa yea, still was lazy to check that |
| 20:38.39 | Zolden | it's a temporal sickness of mnm - after these months of working on it and playing, just can't see it anymore |
| 20:40.24 | Goa | :) |
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| 20:53.24 | turtles1 | using the debugger for the first time (previously it would not work but I managed to get the debugging window to show my script code properly... well almost properly, I still have to do weird shit to get it to work) |
| 20:53.39 | turtles1 | is there no way to search for things in the script? |
| 20:53.51 | Dustin|Home | Fuck that debugger |
| 20:54.05 | turtles1 | if I have 10K lines of code how am I to find the function I want to examine? |
| 20:54.06 | Dustin|Home | Makes my testing drop to like 5fps |
| 20:54.18 | Dustin|Home | turtles, search for it? |
| 20:54.22 | turtles1 | HOW? |
| 20:54.22 | Dustin|Home | ctrl+F |
| 20:54.33 | turtles1 | there in no ctrl-F |
| 20:54.39 | Bounty | overview manager? |
| 20:54.49 | Dustin|Home | View your script and search |
| 20:54.59 | Dustin|Home | The debugger doesnt show all your code |
| 20:55.00 | turtles1 | I am viewing the script |
| 20:55.11 | turtles1 | ctrl-F does nothing |
| 20:55.15 | Dustin|Home | hmmm |
| 20:55.24 | Dustin|Home | Im not at home at the moment so I can't check |
| 20:55.52 | turtles1 | Bounty, this is the trigger debugging window, not the overview manager |
| 20:56.15 | Bounty | I was suggesting using the overview manager to find the fuction |
| 20:56.55 | turtles1 | well, yeah... I could have the script open in another window, ctrl-f to find it and then switch back and go to that line |
| 20:57.16 | turtles1 | guess that will have to be it then? dodgy! |
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| 21:00.07 | JademusSreg | Wat's all this about? |
| 21:00.51 | turtles1 | Learning to use the debugger for first time (previously it would not work, but I got it to work) |
| 21:01.08 | JademusSreg | Only works in windowed mode. =D |
| 21:01.10 | turtles1 | and ctrl-F does not work in my debuging window |
| 21:01.34 | turtles1 | no, I previously included my code as a dependency and it would not show my code |
| 21:01.53 | turtles1 | but I changed it to be an extension mod |
| 21:02.04 | JademusSreg | Via include or library? |
| 21:02.38 | turtles1 | It's an extension mod, not included in the map file |
| 21:03.56 | turtles1 | now it STILL doesn't show my code BUT I can look at the triggers and view code for a trigger and then it WILL show my code |
| 21:04.09 | JademusSreg | Mods have their own separate scripts, requires include or configuration to add it. Extension mods aren't so picky, apparently. Libraries are added to the mapscript. External scripts require include declarations. |
| 21:04.19 | turtles1 | so I don't know if that trick would have previously worked and I just never discovered it untiol now |
| 21:05.07 | JademusSreg | So for what are you using the debugger? Tracking down errors? |
| 21:05.49 | turtles1 | yes, erm well.... I already tracked down the bug I wanted to use it for. So now I'm just trying to see how to use it |
| 21:06.19 | turtles1 | Found the bug and fixed it faster than it took me to learn how to use the debugger |
| 21:06.37 | turtles1 | but none the less, 10K lines of code means there are other bugs |
| 21:06.54 | turtles1 | but there is no way I can find to search for the code I want |
| 21:07.02 | turtles1 | ctrl-F does nothing |
| 21:07.06 | JademusSreg | GUI generated script, yeah? |
| 21:07.09 | turtles1 | yes |
| 21:07.36 | JademusSreg | That explains both the 10k+ lines and difficulty finding functions. =D |
| 21:07.56 | turtles1 | It was suggested having the script open in a text editor and alt-tabbing between the two as a way to be able to search for what line I want |
| 21:08.42 | turtles1 | well, even if it was hand written, it's still going to be a pain to scroll for 10K lines of code looking for what function you want each time |
| 21:08.51 | JademusSreg | Breakpoints are more useful. Allows one to see all the variable values at that step in the execution. |
| 21:09.38 | turtles1 | yeah, but to put in a breakpoint I need to find the code to insert it. Or can you place breakpoints in the code when writting it? |
| 21:09.54 | JademusSreg | Yeeep. =D |
| 21:10.02 | turtles1 | in GUI? |
| 21:10.06 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 21:10.34 | JademusSreg | If it doesn't exist already, make a new Custom Action Definition, name it Breakpoint or whatever. |
| 21:12.00 | JademusSreg | Click on the element of the action definition labeled Custom Script, enter the following into the edit box: |
| 21:12.04 | JademusSreg | breakpoint; |
| 21:13.14 | JademusSreg | With that, you can stop execution and examine the callstack and -all- the variables visible to it at that step in the execution. |
| 21:14.15 | turtles1 | glad to have something a little more sophisticated than rellying only on output messages to the screen |
| 21:15.14 | turtles1 | still be nice to have some kind of search ability a-la ctrl-f |
| 21:15.23 | JademusSreg | Can thank me after you've used the breakpoint to fix your bugs; it'll be more meaningful then. |
| 21:15.26 | turtles1 | to find a function I want to look for |
| 21:15.43 | JademusSreg | Oh, right click, Vew Code. |
| 21:16.01 | turtles1 | ? I can see the code |
| 21:16.12 | turtles1 | all 10K lines of it, that's the problem :S |
| 21:16.18 | JademusSreg | *View Code or Script or whatever. Any functions you see in the Trigger or Function profiler allows you to right click and view the code. |
| 21:16.18 | Bounty | Any updates on your game DeadZergling? |
| 21:16.26 | turtles1 | I can't see the code I currently want |
| 21:16.37 | DeadZergling | No, my children keep voting in favor of me doing nothing |
| 21:16.43 | Bounty | haha |
| 21:16.47 | Bounty | Gotta love it >.< |
| 21:17.08 | DeadZergling | hard to get anything done if the kids need help every night |
| 21:17.13 | JademusSreg | turt, if it's an external script, make it a library, at least then it'll be added to the mapscript. |
| 21:17.16 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:17.23 | Bounty | I usually work late at night so I can work in peace |
| 21:17.29 | Bounty | During the day is out of the question |
| 21:17.40 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 21:18.07 | DeadZergling | day is out of the question, and at night typically is as well |
| 21:18.09 | DeadZergling | thus my problem |
| 21:18.26 | Bounty | If you work at home its diff |
| 21:18.37 | Bounty | Thats really what I'm talking about lol |
| 21:19.31 | DeadZergling | If I worked at home, all that would result is no sanity for me, ever |
| 21:19.36 | Bounty | Tell your wifey to do her damn job and babysit for you can maek gaemz |
| 21:19.44 | Bounty | so you* |
| 21:20.02 | Bounty | That is probably true, case and point, me |
| 21:20.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:20.38 | Bounty | That and I think Jade works from home as well so thats more data for your study |
| 21:24.17 | kingTD | AoK 999 reviews on EU.. |
| 21:24.26 | kingTD | ** ratings |
| 21:25.25 | JademusSreg | Add a slot machine. |
| 21:27.00 | turtles1 | lol |
| 21:28.04 | turtles1 | Someone should make candycrush for the arcade. Instant no.1 on most played games list |
| 21:29.08 | turtles1 | or SC2 farmville so you can constantly spam invites to all your SC2 buddies |
| 21:29.28 | kingTD | :D |
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| 21:32.11 | JademusSreg | Farmcrush. |
| 21:32.15 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 21:34.39 | kingTD | Speedfarmingsimulator |
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| 21:42.18 | DeadZergling | well a farmville mod wouldn't be hard, just remove all ability to attack, and make it so you have to invite people to be your neighbors to build more, let them build 5 things, then each neighbor in their bank file means 1 more building, wooo! |
| 21:44.23 | Goa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J70jIsCJJz8 |
| 21:44.41 | Goa | cause everything has to be remade |
| 21:47.28 | pirate | looks awesome |
| 21:48.34 | Goa | dont know why in every american movie the jet pilots suck so hard. |
| 21:48.51 | Goa | or why the fuck are they falling down from the sky? |
| 21:52.05 | DeadZergling | nice trailer, but plot twist |
| 21:52.22 | DeadZergling | Godzilla in his rampage eats a few mcdonalds, and dies from horrific diarrhea |
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| 21:53.22 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 22:15.23 | Bommes | Uh, some interesting Carbots stuff incoming |
| 22:15.42 | Bommes | feels like christmas |
| 22:15.43 | turtles1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.11 | Bommes | well, not a whole mod yet |
| 22:17.22 | Bommes | but seems like he worked on some sprites etc to import into the game and see where it goes |
| 22:17.29 | ArcanePariah | TeeHee |
| 22:17.38 | ArcanePariah | So.. carbot extension mod? |
| 22:18.08 | Bommes | that's the dream I guess :D |
| 22:18.28 | Bommes | pretty far away though, there'd be a lot of stuff to figure out in terms of how to transfer it into 2d |
| 22:19.07 | turtles1 | hasn't it already been done though? |
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| 22:19.16 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrx6LhB_vjI |
| 22:19.24 | Bommes | extension mods are different though in terms of terrain and stuff like that |
| 22:19.25 | Bounty | Photawn Deiskz |
| 22:19.26 | turtles1 | someone already did it, just with carbot zerglings as a proof of concept |
| 22:19.53 | Bommes | also things like infestor tentacles, beams |
| 22:19.58 | Bommes | that's not trivial to translate into 2d |
| 22:20.04 | Bommes | but for extension mods you would need it |
| 22:20.48 | turtles1 | obviously he should just make 3D models of all the carbot characters :P |
| 22:21.27 | turtles1 | It would only take him like, half a years worth of work? |
| 22:22.33 | Bommes | I think things in terms of making it work as an extension mod the 2d terrain generation is the trickiest part |
| 22:22.40 | Bommes | since extension mod by definition work with every sort of melee map, right? |
| 22:24.05 | Bommes | -things |
| 22:24.11 | Bommes | I don't even know how that word got there |
| 22:24.20 | Bommes | learning for exams makes me dizzy and confused |
| 22:25.26 | pirate | what's the 'index' for in getting user type data |
| 22:25.40 | pirate | there's a field for the user type, instance, field, and index |
| 22:26.30 | ArcanePariah | pirate, when you define a field for a user type, you can specify how many indexes (values) it can have |
| 22:27.10 | pirate | AHH |
| 22:27.12 | pirate | I see |
| 22:27.16 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 22:27.49 | pirate | so I could use it to give an ability 3 different damage multipliers dependent on what level the ability is by calling a different index |
| 22:27.55 | ArcanePariah | Sure :D |
| 22:28.10 | ArcanePariah | Though that assumes the effect is being run from triggers |
| 22:28.16 | Bommes | you could also give 3 abilities 1 damage multiplier |
| 22:28.28 | Bommes | for some reason |
| 22:28.37 | ArcanePariah | Can you do indirect linking in data editor? |
| 22:28.52 | ArcanePariah | Ie, instead of directly linking a unit, link a reference? |
| 22:28.58 | pirate | yes all of my damage calculations are triggered |
| 22:29.03 | ArcanePariah | Just a thought, never tried it |
| 22:29.20 | Bommes | ArcanePariah: What kind of reference? |
| 22:29.30 | ArcanePariah | Nvm doesn't work |
| 22:29.33 | Bommes | I mean for actors there are tokens |
| 22:29.43 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, that's for doing templates |
| 22:29.48 | pirate | now the real question is can I store all of my user type data as a separate xml file |
| 22:29.49 | Bommes | yeah |
| 22:29.56 | Bommes | other than that I can't think of any indirect linking possibilities |
| 22:29.56 | ArcanePariah | pirate, yes |
| 22:30.14 | ArcanePariah | User Types are xml, like any other data entry |
| 22:30.40 | ArcanePariah | each type has a part with its definition (fields, their types, how many indicies) and then a part for all the instantces |
| 22:30.49 | ArcanePariah | Basically think of User Types as your personal map database |
| 22:30.58 | Dustin|Home | What exactly are UserTypes, I've seen that shit but didnt know what it did |
| 22:31.08 | ArcanePariah | Database in a nutshell |
| 22:31.14 | pirate | which is exactly how I want to use it |
| 22:31.17 | Dustin|Home | Hmm so just another form of Data Tables? |
| 22:31.37 | pirate | my current database is in my galaxy script in the global data table |
| 22:31.54 | ArcanePariah | Sure, but since it is stored in the map, it A) Doesn't take run time to intialize it and B) Makes it easy to rapidly intialize certain objects in game |
| 22:31.56 | pirate | my current database is in my galaxy script in the global data table |
| 22:32.44 | ArcanePariah | For example, in my map, I do a lookup at the start based on the class choice. That index lets me then assign a variable that matches the user type for the class. So when I got to make the unit, the color, and default weapon, I can just reference the user type |
| 22:33.03 | ArcanePariah | So I only have to do one lookup to get everythign I need for the class |
| 22:33.17 | ArcanePariah | Instead of a ton of switch statements (based on class type) |
| 22:33.41 | ArcanePariah | Either that or skip making arrays to store basically static data |
| 22:34.18 | ArcanePariah | Also, since user type fields can be other user types, it allows... many possiblities :D |
| 22:34.44 | ArcanePariah | In my case, my class user type has a user type field that has the class entire skill tree (Text and icons) |
| 22:35.14 | ArcanePariah | Makes for very clean trigger code, creating my talent tree dialog is now like 10-15 lines of code |
| 22:36.08 | pirate | can you make a demo map for this o.O |
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| 22:36.25 | mille25 | 8) |
| 22:36.30 | ArcanePariah | Sup mille25 |
| 22:36.32 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 22:36.36 | mille25 | Hey |
| 22:36.57 | ArcanePariah | pirate, let me just export a user type from my map, and you can just copy paste the XML into yours to get an idea |
| 22:37.12 | pirate | kk |
| 22:38.52 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/djg9x Here is the first one |
| 22:39.41 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/sneq4 and here is the related Talent Tree one |
| 22:40.49 | ArcanePariah | I also did another one, based on the story the players choose. It creates the class selection screen, and then based on the selection, I use a bit of code to correctly choose the one from the first paste, and assign it to a variable |
| 22:41.03 | ArcanePariah | Let me find the relevant trigger bit code to give you an idea |
| 22:42.23 | ArcanePariah | IN this small bit of code, I determine which class index was selected |
| 22:42.24 | ArcanePariah | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3376 |
| 22:43.56 | ArcanePariah | and in this single line, I use the index, as well as which story (using another data type where I have the class data type as fields and arranged according to the story) to pick the correct class |
| 22:43.56 | ArcanePariah | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3377 |
| 22:44.24 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 22:44.36 | ArcanePariah | which lets me in the next line, create the class unit: http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3378 |
| 22:44.55 | ArcanePariah | The biggest power to this? I can now totally ignore the trigger code |
| 22:45.15 | Bommes | is there a way to force low graphics options ground textures? So it shows just the plain ground texture for everyone and not just for the guys with low graphics options |
| 22:45.18 | ArcanePariah | I can add infinite classes to the game if I really wanted to, in the Class User type |
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| 22:46.04 | ArcanePariah | Bommes, hmm.. tricky, terrain textures are controlled via actors correct? |
| 22:46.36 | Bommes | puuh, no idea |
| 22:46.54 | Bounty | kapeowa |
| 22:46.56 | ArcanePariah | Ahh there is, called Terrain Mgr, it is created on gameintilization |
| 22:47.05 | ArcanePariah | as well as intialization of the map editor |
| 22:47.08 | Bounty | Finally decided to fix all the bugs that have been introduced to Haunted Forest and Photon Discs over the years |
| 22:47.10 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:47.23 | Bommes | terrain mgr is a physics thing I think |
| 22:47.28 | ArcanePariah | Interesting that there is an actor event for the game being initlizied |
| 22:47.50 | Bommes | terrain mgr is pretty useful actually, it defines all the physics impacts etc that happen |
| 22:47.53 | ArcanePariah | Well yes, it almost certainly is the actor that is queried for terrain material to do material based physics |
| 22:47.57 | Bommes | I stumbled upon it a couple of days ago actually |
| 22:51.28 | ArcanePariah | As for dictating low res textures for everyone if anyone has low textures... Would need to have an actor be created for every player, that has an actor term that checks for the low graphics option, and if it ipasses, use a region actor that encompasses the entire amp, and query response actor to swap model |
| 22:52.07 | Bommes | hmm |
| 22:52.37 | Bommes | that's unreliable though, if I want it to work on only low then it shouldn't have requirements :) |
| 22:53.15 | ArcanePariah | Though this entirely pressupposes the terrain is an actor that can be found and manipulated |
| 22:53.15 | ArcanePariah | which may not be the case |
| 22:53.18 | Bommes | I think just using the normal textures is fine, although I'm still kind of confused how it works with the diffuse/normal texture combination |
| 22:53.47 | Bommes | the normal texture basically just says how much the light effects each pixel, right? |
| 22:54.00 | Bommes | maybe I was just in a state of confusion when I last experimented with ground textures |
| 22:54.14 | ArcanePariah | Not sure, I think this would be more of a Delph/Zolden question |
| 23:00.29 | Bounty | yay |
| 23:00.43 | Bounty | I finally fixed the facing issue in Haunted Forest and Photon Discs |
| 23:11.26 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 23:16.23 | ArcanePariah | Welcome brack |
| 23:17.00 | Zandose | me? |
| 23:17.14 | Bommes | welcome to us all |
| 23:17.20 | turtles1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.32 | turtles1 | which happens to be something I want to know |
| 23:18.03 | JademusSreg | Actors can, because they are asynchronous. |
| 23:19.01 | JademusSreg | As for hotkeys, that functionality is in Herostorm, not in SC2 (yet). |
| 23:19.19 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Tutorials - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 23:19.25 | Bommes | "This will include fully animated marines with 4 directions and zerglings, as well as a barracks and supply depot" is what carbot wrote to me, he didn't actually sent them yet |
| 23:19.32 | Bommes | but I can't wait to see what they look like :) |
| 23:20.07 | turtles1 | ok, 99% complete working on an easy to use dialog for players to input their hotkeys for me anyway |
| 23:20.22 | JademusSreg | If carbot is involved, must be adorable. |
| 23:20.29 | Bommes | it most certainly is |
| 23:21.40 | Bommes | and 4-directional sounds really nice too |
| 23:22.09 | Bommes | better than 2-directional at least :D |
| 23:22.11 | JademusSreg | Left, right, butt, face. |
| 23:27.33 | Bounty | I fixed it JademusSreg |
| 23:27.38 | Bounty | only after a year |
| 23:27.46 | Bounty | the camera facing issue :) |
| 23:30.02 | JademusSreg | Yeah, so glad I solved that issue years ago, phew. |
| 23:30.06 | JademusSreg | Congrats. =D |
| 23:30.19 | pirate | what exactly was the issue? |
| 23:31.09 | Bounty | In Photon Discs and Haunted forest the facing/aiming was messed up |
| 23:31.15 | Bounty | Camera Yaw was not updating properly |
| 23:35.46 | JademusSreg | Excellent name, and appropriate to its owner. |
| 23:36.40 | Bounty | bapeowza |
| 23:37.17 | JademusSreg | Bapadapabedledebebopedopebedopedopedopskow. |
| 23:39.58 | DeadZergling | when did talking like a retard become cool? |
| 23:40.25 | Bounty | Talking like a retard has become cool since it became |
| 23:40.33 | turtles1 | I'm a hipster, I sounded like a retard before it was cool |
| 23:40.43 | mille25 | nice. |
| 23:41.47 | DeadZergling | not even a name for what I am, too main stream, having a name |
| 23:42.24 | turtles1 | ok DeadZergling... |
| 23:42.59 | DeadZergling | nice proof on the retard bit there :P |
| 23:43.08 | turtles1 | lol |
| 23:43.24 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scat_singing |
| 23:44.19 | Bounty | beee ba ba badabope |
| 23:44.27 | DeadZergling | I see, that woman looks like she could put out some serious nonsense |
| 23:44.28 | Bounty | ba ba badabope |
| 23:47.24 | JademusSreg | Better to understand than project one's values onto reality. Also, better to make sharp comic observations than lazily employ "retard". =D |
| 23:47.33 | DeadZergling | Impressive, a type of singing I can hate even more than rap |
| 23:47.42 | DeadZergling | wonders never will cease |
| 23:51.05 | Dustin|Home | Wooot home from work |
| 23:51.08 | DeadZergling | Is good you are finally accepting the truth though, JademusSreg |
| 23:51.25 | DeadZergling | since no one is really gonna understand you anyways, may as well just go full on Scat with it |
| 23:51.37 | DeadZergling | you can just link us to scat singing recordings on youtube or something |
| 23:51.38 | JademusSreg | Hell yeah. |
| 23:51.57 | Dustin|Home | DOO BEEBOP SHADOO BOP BOP POW |
| 23:52.16 | Dustin|Home | We need a Scat Langauge for coding |
| 23:52.24 | JademusSreg | Oh shit yes. |
| 23:53.05 | JademusSreg | And also, new musical style, scat + rap. Scrapt. |
| 23:53.20 | Dustin|Home | LYRICAL GENIOUS |
| 23:53.49 | Dustin|Home | "I can't tell if he just fucked my mom or Shoop dooped my POW |
| 23:54.01 | turtles1 | wants to hear some spoken word scat |
| 23:54.36 | JademusSreg | BedeedldeebooPOW muthafuckin mastermind money mowapadadeedoopleedeedoPOWer hungry getta money fashion ride a unicorn |
| 23:54.53 | Dustin|Home | This would be the best subgenre ever |
| 23:54.58 | Dustin|Home | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geiq0FP13uQ |
| 23:55.46 | DeadZergling | close JademusSreg, but forgot the bitches and hoes, and the poooolice |
| 23:56.01 | A1win | woo, Banished is a good game, really well designed |
| 23:57.30 | JademusSreg | Well, obviously I don't endorse such terms or the requisite objectification. That would just be in poor taste. |
| 23:58.38 | JademusSreg | But rapping about material resources and the riding of mythic beasts, fuck yeah. |
