| 00:00.11 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 00:13.15 | Bommes | ooh, heroes q&a tomorrow will be with the artists http://www.heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/news/12953017/ |
| 00:14.17 | Bommes | way more interesting than another D. Browder one |
| 00:17.59 | Bommes | I also love how they add their Hearthstone art technique of giving images sort of particle animations to other areas as well like the background images on their website http://www.heroesofthestorm.com/en-us |
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| 01:27.26 | Repo | New experimental map: starcraft2 map - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft2-map/ |
| 01:43.17 | Bommes | an experimental heroes of the storm map would be more exciting |
| 01:45.00 | Bommes | also, sick WCS intro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-K2I-TttI8&feature=youtu.be |
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| 02:31.12 | bob22 | bounty you there? |
| 02:32.39 | bob22 | I am unable to find a model (with a texture) that supports transparency and is completely flat |
| 02:32.41 | bob22 | i dont think one exists :( |
| 02:40.28 | Bommes | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/324/plane_diffuse_and_alpha.m3 |
| 02:46.19 | bob22 | whered that one come from |
| 02:50.56 | Bommes | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/requests/58554-flat-plane-request/ |
| 02:52.11 | bob22 | ah, nice find |
| 03:09.33 | Bounty | peowa |
| 03:53.26 | bob22 | damn that model is perfect, but its only 64x64px |
| 03:53.39 | bob22 | way too small D: |
| 03:54.57 | bob22 | anyone have a flat plan that supports textures and transparency.. that isnt tiny? lol |
| 04:07.31 | Zandose | im back |
| 04:08.09 | Zandose | @bob22 the force wall? |
| 04:08.55 | DeltaVelocity | can't you just scale it up? |
| 04:15.53 | bob22 | wont scaling it scale the texture |
| 04:16.13 | bob22 | force wall, isnt it 3d? |
| 04:16.23 | Zandose | yah |
| 04:16.31 | Zandose | you need 2d? |
| 04:16.38 | bob22 | yea a flat plane |
| 04:17.19 | Zandose | highlight briefing model is a flat 3d |
| 04:17.31 | Zandose | dont know about transparance |
| 04:17.55 | bob22 | yea and it repeats a dds file 4 times 90 degrees rotating |
| 04:18.07 | bob22 | need just 1 image -- http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/requests/58554-flat-plane-request/ the file there is perfect |
| 04:18.07 | bob22 | its just tiny... |
| 04:18.57 | bob22 | if it were that, but 10 times larger, it would be perfect :( |
| 04:19.10 | Zandose | have you tried scaling it? |
| 04:26.28 | bob22 | the file it links to is 64x64px, so id need to have the image be a lot bigger to not pixelate it when scaling right |
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| 04:42.24 | Bounty | shabang |
| 04:45.55 | Bounty | WTB the ability to shut ones brain off so it stops constantly coming up with game concepts |
| 04:49.25 | bob22 | my mission in life, is to find a flat plane model that meets my criteria, and it doesnt exist |
| 04:49.37 | bob22 | that's harder to deal with than creative conceptualizing |
| 04:51.47 | Bounty | Did Comcast really buy Time Warner? |
| 04:51.52 | Bounty | Random I know |
| 04:51.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:12.51 | bob22 | that is random |
| 05:13.05 | bob22 | monopoly.. going to suck |
| 05:16.21 | Bounty | Yeah... |
| 05:16.46 | Bounty | You know they also recently made it so internet provides can limit bandwidth to certain websites? |
| 05:16.55 | Bounty | providers* |
| 05:22.47 | bob22 | oh fantastic |
| 05:22.56 | bob22 | 500% bandwidth boost for sc2mapster.com |
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| 06:28.01 | Bounty | Wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeNZAzRxIXk |
| 06:28.04 | Bounty | That is all I can say |
| 06:44.27 | Bounty | Am I crazy or are social metworks the most wasted opportunity in human history. lol |
| 06:44.34 | Bounty | networks* |
| 06:46.39 | Kenoli | wat |
| 06:47.02 | Goa | those apc-s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYnXFMNa2M |
| 06:48.22 | Kenoli | That's quite a party |
| 06:49.03 | Goa | Bounty wow, the top 1% are humans too, but where are the lizard people?:) |
| 06:49.27 | Bounty | lizard people? |
| 06:50.08 | Goa | http://boingboing.net/2013/04/15/12-million-americans-believe-l.html |
| 06:50.55 | Bounty | The fuck does that have to do with anything? lol |
| 06:51.18 | Bounty | I think we can all agree most americans are complete morons |
| 06:51.35 | Bounty | not a controversial topic haha |
| 06:51.46 | Goa | I am replying to your young turk video |
| 06:51.54 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 06:52.05 | Bounty | Not sure what that has to do with lizard people rofl |
| 06:52.16 | Bounty | L2 differentiate |
| 06:54.22 | Goa | just that people think that their leaders or the "top 1%" have above human capabilities. |
| 06:54.44 | Goa | so its surprising when they party just like other people. |
| 06:54.47 | Bounty | again |
| 06:54.51 | Bounty | the fuck are you talking about? |
| 06:55.05 | Bounty | nobody has accused the 1% of being super human abilities |
| 06:55.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:56.22 | Goa | kinda yes, when they expect to not have fun parties. |
| 06:56.54 | Bounty | I take it you're against the whole 1% thing? |
| 06:57.09 | Bounty | Which is fine |
| 06:57.17 | Bounty | Everyone has their own opinions I suppose |
| 06:57.56 | Goa | I think the whole "1%" expression is retarded. |
| 06:58.13 | Bounty | Not really |
| 06:58.24 | Bounty | If you learn to differentiate between rich people and the 1% |
| 06:58.48 | Bounty | It becomes less retarded at that point |
| 06:59.26 | Bounty | Although I will give it to you that most people include ALL rich people in the 1% for some reason? |
| 06:59.30 | Bounty | Which is retarded lol |
| 07:00.09 | Goa | see, thats the problem, you can put anything into that "1%", its just class warfare shit. It will never be used in an intelligent debate. |
| 07:00.37 | Bounty | so you're judging it as a phrase? |
| 07:00.44 | Bounty | I guess that makes sense |
| 07:01.35 | Bounty | Sadly most things have to describe their enemy in as least amount of words as possible |
| 07:01.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:01.48 | Kenoli | zomg we are the 90% |
| 07:01.52 | Bounty | so they just say 1% |
| 07:01.58 | Goa | its used as phrase otherwise you would state whats 1% is 1%. |
| 07:02.00 | Bounty | Rather than be more descriptive |
| 07:02.38 | Goa | we are the elite 1% of sc2 who make crappy maps instead playing games:) |
| 07:02.43 | Bounty | No idea what you just aid Goa? |
| 07:02.47 | Bounty | said* |
| 07:02.55 | Bounty | Yeah I get that |
| 07:03.02 | Bounty | I just said why I agree with you on that |
| 07:03.14 | Bounty | but its a sort of slogan for stupid people I suppose |
| 07:03.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:03.21 | Bounty | It has meaning if you look into it though |
| 07:03.48 | Bounty | Just most people bring out their bongos and head to the latest site |
| 07:03.53 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:04.29 | Goa | Its meaning that people who are rich are bad. |
| 07:04.55 | Goa | :) |
| 07:05.02 | Bounty | I just said like 3 times I disagree with that |
| 07:05.11 | Goa | I know |
| 07:05.17 | Goa | and I disagree with you |
| 07:05.22 | Bounty | So why do you keep saying it? |
| 07:05.23 | Bounty | Ok |
| 07:05.29 | Bounty | So tell me why without using that lol |
| 07:05.30 | Goa | what else meaning does it have? |
| 07:05.53 | Goa | people doesnt even state that from what that 1% is coming |
| 07:06.01 | Bounty | Its about the super rich who purchase politicians and get bailed out by the government |
| 07:06.24 | Goa | see thats much better |
| 07:06.35 | Goa | while you can use 1% to anything |
| 07:06.58 | Bounty | I think the whole 1% thing could have been used better if they actually had something tied to it |
| 07:07.06 | Bounty | instead of yelling "Fuck the 1%!" |
| 07:07.17 | Bounty | with no explanation of wtf that meant |
| 07:07.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:07.21 | Goa | yes |
| 07:07.26 | Goa | thats the problem |
| 07:07.31 | Bounty | No leadership :( |
| 07:07.44 | Bounty | I was so mad at how occupy failed lol |
| 07:07.53 | Bounty | No leadership? for the people? yes! |
| 07:07.55 | Bounty | oh wait... |
| 07:08.05 | Bounty | no leadership = no message... |
| 07:08.11 | Bounty | which = fail |
| 07:08.17 | Bounty | fucking hippies |
| 07:08.19 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:09.15 | Goa | The fact is that people still live pretty well, so you will only get stupid people in movements like occupy. |
| 07:09.20 | Goa | in USA |
| 07:09.29 | Bounty | Its only a matter of time really |
| 07:09.36 | Bounty | for the USA at least |
| 07:09.49 | Goa | the average people of US wont join movement like occupy... |
| 07:09.52 | Bounty | I mean I get what your saying though |
| 07:10.05 | Bounty | Its weird though |
| 07:10.07 | Bounty | when you break it down |
| 07:10.17 | Goa | so you get bunch of anarchies and homeless as occupy:) |
| 07:10.24 | Bounty | this level of stupification is unheard of |
| 07:10.34 | Bounty | it really is |
| 07:10.39 | Bounty | throughout all history |
| 07:11.08 | Bounty | Nobody ever thought to fill their citizens with so much pride that eventually they will be so full of themselves that you can pretty much do whatever lol |
| 07:11.19 | Bounty | Will make for a good chapter in the history books |
| 07:11.21 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:11.32 | Goa | all empires do that |
| 07:11.45 | Bounty | Speaking of which |
| 07:11.51 | Bounty | I think I need to correct myself |
| 07:12.00 | Bounty | The Romans in particular did that, right? |
| 07:12.04 | Bounty | ironically lol |
| 07:12.19 | Goa | USSR did that too much more drastically but they failed as most people seen thats its a big lie. |
| 07:12.30 | Bounty | USSR had no money haha |
| 07:12.44 | Goa | They had money |
| 07:12.50 | Bounty | Would have done much better if they had no spent all their money on military runway shows |
| 07:12.52 | Goa | just no economy:D |
| 07:13.19 | Bounty | They had an economy its just that all their money was spent on military to show off to us |
| 07:13.50 | Bounty | that + retard dictators lol |
| 07:14.06 | Kenoli | If only the world had smart dictators |
| 07:14.07 | Goa | there was no real economy... |
| 07:14.22 | Goa | it was supply economy or how it is called |
| 07:14.37 | Bounty | You mean a global economy? |
| 07:14.58 | Bounty | In that they were isolationists |
| 07:15.07 | Bounty | Which I think is true |
| 07:15.39 | Goa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortage_economy |
| 07:16.06 | Goa | when you central plan everything, supply demand dont work and you end up fucked |
| 07:18.04 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 07:18.10 | Bounty | 5 year plan communism is stupid |
| 07:18.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:18.24 | Bounty | You can't "plan" anything really |
| 07:18.33 | Bounty | You can guess, and just go with it... thats about it |
| 07:18.52 | Bounty | If you could plan something you would be Jesus =P |
| 07:18.53 | Goa | seems like Police failed in Kiev: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1350780 |
| 07:19.04 | Bounty | Good |
| 07:19.14 | Bounty | I am so rooting for the protesters |
| 07:19.25 | Bounty | Never seen anything like that before |
| 07:19.39 | Bounty | Its like urban risk |
| 07:19.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:21.15 | Goa | at least some Americans getting more educated: http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screen-Shot-2014-02-17-at-6.18.48-PM.png |
| 07:21.18 | Bounty | That is how you show up to a protest Goa, gas masks instead of bongos |
| 07:21.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:21.42 | Bounty | What country are you from goa? |
| 07:21.46 | Bounty | If I may ask |
| 07:21.50 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:22.16 | Goa | Near Ukraine, now you tip it |
| 07:22.40 | Bounty | So not the USA? |
| 07:22.53 | Bounty | I only ask that because you link a lot of things related to the USA |
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| 07:23.40 | Bounty | and I do enjoy all of the things you link btw =P |
| 07:24.57 | Bounty | I understand that may sound like a stupid question but I am from the USA and I could just as easily say "Near Japan" lol |
| 07:25.37 | Goa | :) |
| 07:25.51 | Goa | The Country I live in have border with Ukraine |
| 07:26.01 | Bounty | Much better |
| 07:26.03 | Goa | Zolden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYnXFMNa2M |
| 07:26.06 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:26.42 | Goa | I link lot about US or anything, cause I hate local news, it much more relaxing read global news, that at least not happening near you. |
| 07:26.51 | Bounty | You know whats funny? I think Ukraine is setting the scene for the future of the world |
| 07:26.56 | Bounty | Not the US |
| 07:27.26 | Bounty | It really is only a matter of time |
| 07:28.08 | Bounty | You can only propogate fiat currency so long lol |
| 07:28.30 | Bounty | Not that that has anything to do with the Ukraine protests |
| 07:28.53 | Bounty | Just saying though >.< |
| 07:33.04 | Bounty | Goa, I am curious if you actually disagree with anything I believe in or just the fact I used the phrase "1%" lol |
| 07:33.36 | Goa | I am less radical then you and have less faith in humans:) |
| 07:33.41 | Goa | than* |
| 07:33.54 | Bounty | That is actually really interesting dude |
| 07:34.01 | Bounty | I border on those lines lol |
| 07:34.13 | Bounty | I am very radical but have no faith in humans |
| 07:34.28 | Goa | for example I think todays people will never learn whats difference between fiat currency and money. |
| 07:34.40 | Bounty | The way I see it is if shit goes down, I would like to die knowing I spoke my mind |
| 07:34.53 | Bounty | Yeah... |
| 07:34.58 | Bounty | That is a shame Goa |
| 07:35.11 | Bounty | It only takes like 2 minutes to learn it really |
| 07:35.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:35.21 | Bounty | But you know... who gives a shit right? |
| 07:35.24 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:36.06 | Bounty | It is kind of like how people blame the Government for everything and cannot even name the branches of their own government they are blaming |
| 07:36.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:36.44 | Bounty | btw I shared that video on my FB Goa |
| 07:36.47 | Bounty | good stuff |
| 07:36.51 | Zolden | Goa I think the same fate awaits the robots who will try to fight humans |
| 07:37.00 | Bounty | <3 the Ukraine protests |
| 07:37.02 | Bounty | Hope they win |
| 07:37.32 | Bounty | The thing about that Zolden is that I don't think we will make it to that point |
| 07:37.43 | Bounty | I wish we would make it to the point that robots kills us |
| 07:37.55 | Bounty | That would be much better than the way we are headed lol |
| 07:38.53 | Bounty | To create something so great it is more intelligent than you and destroys you...much better imo |
| 07:38.56 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:40.12 | Goa | Dont know why people think we will ever fight robots, they will just make super virus which kill all of US under some days. |
| 07:40.24 | Goa | us* |
| 07:40.25 | Goa | :) |
| 07:40.30 | Zolden | yea, it's a short area of intelligence where robot smart enough to make war, but stupid enough to understand that they have no chances |
| 07:40.52 | Bounty | I am not sure whether I agree or disagree with that Goa lol |
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| 07:41.15 | Bounty | I don't think they will CREATE a virus |
| 07:41.24 | Zolden | Goa thinking that robots can create a virus is the same as thinking that humans can create intelligent robots |
| 07:41.31 | Goa | It will be war of biological and computer viruses:D |
| 07:41.44 | Bounty | You know what I think? |
| 07:41.49 | Bounty | This is my theory |
| 07:41.53 | Zolden | or a viral kitten meme |
| 07:41.55 | Bounty | I am most likely wrong btw |
| 07:41.56 | Bounty | but |
| 07:42.11 | Bounty | If I wanted to wipe out most of the population... |
| 07:42.19 | Bounty | I would put the virus in bottled water |
| 07:42.41 | Bounty | Just me... |
| 07:42.47 | Bounty | But that is what I would do lol |
| 07:43.40 | Bounty | Makes sense right? |
| 07:44.00 | Goa | nope |
| 07:44.08 | Goa | airborne virus makes more sense |
| 07:44.08 | Bounty | Why not |
| 07:44.18 | Bounty | No they do not |
| 07:44.31 | Bounty | If you want to survive and wipe out others, airborne is the last thing you want |
| 07:44.37 | Bounty | Needs to be contained |
| 07:45.02 | Bounty | Airborne would kill you |
| 07:45.08 | Bounty | So its lose/lose |
| 07:45.20 | Bounty | Would work if you want to destroy the world and not live lol |
| 07:45.30 | Bounty | but if you want to destroy the population and survive |
| 07:45.34 | Bounty | needs to be contained |
| 07:46.00 | Bounty | Win for you, epic loss for everyone else |
| 07:46.02 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:46.21 | kingTD | yay for banished |
| 07:46.39 | Goa | we are talking about robots making viruses to kill us, arent we? |
| 07:46.54 | Bounty | I thought we were talking about people making viruses lol |
| 07:47.01 | Zolden | robots can become viruses, they can become as small as them |
| 07:47.12 | Bounty | I thought we were being realistic haha |
| 07:47.29 | Bounty | In that we won't make it to the point that we can create robots that intelligent |
| 07:47.30 | Zolden | clouds of nenorobots will travel in the wind, attacking bioloical creatures |
| 07:47.48 | Bounty | That is easy to survive Zolden |
| 07:47.57 | Bounty | Hold Keanu Reeves hand and hide under a bridge |
| 07:48.15 | Bounty | gg |
| 07:49.12 | Goa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTZ2Tp9yXyM |
| 07:56.42 | Bounty | lol wtf |
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| 07:57.22 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:57.28 | Bounty | wb JademusSreg |
| 07:57.35 | Bounty | You missed quite a discussion lol |
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| 07:58.51 | Zolden | Bounty and have you seen my physics vids? |
| 07:58.59 | Bounty | nope |
| 07:59.19 | JademusSreg | What qualifies as "quite a discussion"? |
| 07:59.32 | Bounty | Well |
| 07:59.37 | JademusSreg | Zol's physics demos are gorgeous. |
| 07:59.46 | Bounty | Include my name in the discussion and go from there |
| 08:00.22 | Bounty | Better be more realist than the water model he sent me lol |
| 08:00.27 | Bounty | realistic* |
| 08:00.40 | Zolden | I'm making a map that will be based on physics and will be completely visual |
| 08:01.24 | JademusSreg | Bounty asserts something silly. Silly argument ensues. What silly thing was asserted? |
| 08:01.44 | JademusSreg | Zol, sounds like demoscene. =D |
| 08:01.53 | Bounty | No silliness was asserted this day |
| 08:02.09 | Zolden | Bounty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssippjBLTNE |
| 08:02.15 | Zolden | and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFX0ys7xEA |
| 08:02.43 | Bounty | Would have been better without the giant thing crashing over the tower |
| 08:02.45 | JademusSreg | Love that twist ending. |
| 08:02.53 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:02.58 | Bounty | Still |
| 08:03.01 | Zolden | I think everyone likes to build castles of blocks and explode them |
| 08:03.05 | Bounty | I can't do that shit so props to you |
| 08:03.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:03.27 | Bounty | Its been done to many times imo though Zolden |
| 08:03.39 | Bounty | I hope your map has a better concept than that |
| 08:04.00 | Bounty | You can do better than Angry Birds 23.0 |
| 08:04.02 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:04.10 | Zolden | yes, I saw vids where they blow corpse dolls |
| 08:04.37 | JademusSreg | Oh, Zol, for reference, instead of reloading the map each time, you could use command actorbroadcastto SomeShittyActorId Destroy |
| 08:04.37 | Zolden | Bounty are angry birds 2d?' |
| 08:04.39 | Bounty | Castlestorm |
| 08:04.47 | Bounty | Can you do better than that? |
| 08:05.06 | Zolden | Jade ok, i'll try |
| 08:05.19 | Bounty | Pro tip Zolden |
| 08:05.21 | Bounty | go 3D |
| 08:05.43 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:05.57 | Goa | 4d |
| 08:06.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:06.21 | Bounty | I swear you guys are making me nervous in terms of winning the contest |
| 08:06.32 | Bounty | Bounty smash! |
| 08:06.45 | Bounty | You people and yer fisix |
| 08:06.49 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:06.52 | Zolden | Bounty oh, castlestorm uses physics too... actually it was my idea b4 I realized that we can't have access to physics objects coordinates |
| 08:07.08 | Zolden | so it will be simply "play with yourself" kind of game |
| 08:07.12 | JademusSreg | Physics are superficial, no mechanical effect on gameplay. |
| 08:07.28 | Bounty | Oh that is horseshit JademusSreg |
| 08:07.37 | Bounty | Physics COULD play a mechanic effect |
| 08:07.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:07.51 | Bounty | Not in the SC2 engine though... even I will admit that |
| 08:07.54 | JademusSreg | Nope. Not unless it's scripted in galaxy. |
| 08:08.04 | JademusSreg | Which is what I'm doing. |
| 08:08.12 | Bounty | Nigga you crazy |
| 08:08.29 | Zolden | JademusSreg you implementing physics? |
| 08:08.52 | Bounty | Our only chance at beating JademusSreg is at fun |
| 08:08.57 | Bounty | IMO |
| 08:09.11 | Bounty | Get on that shit |
| 08:09.13 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:09.43 | Bounty | btw I already miss that discussion about the Ukraine and Robots from earlier |
| 08:09.51 | Bounty | da fuck we talking about mapping for? |
| 08:09.55 | Zolden | if one implements physics, he should make 3d movement, but in galaxy we can only move stuff synchronously, which isn't smooth as built-in physics movements |
| 08:10.18 | Zolden | unless we can use move commands in 3d |
| 08:10.38 | JademusSreg | Scripting physics, yes. Which is why I've been coding Scalar, Vector, Matrix, and Quaternion scripts. |
| 08:11.10 | Zolden | oh, now this makes sense |
| 08:11.48 | Zolden | but no asynchronous movement in 3d still |
| 08:11.51 | JademusSreg | It all reduces down to arithmetic operations of array values, use the values to orient actor model position and rotation, et cetera. |
| 08:12.17 | Bounty | You know... most people just say etc JademusSreg and we all get it |
| 08:12.25 | Bounty | Just sayin |
| 08:12.29 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:12.29 | Kenoli | Physically simulated objects are so boooooring |
| 08:12.59 | Zolden | Kenoli it's not oring to play with lots of them |
| 08:13.18 | JademusSreg | Yep. Coding physics is boring. But its the most intuitive approach to the mechanics I desire. |
| 08:13.25 | JademusSreg | *its |
| 08:13.27 | JademusSreg | *it's |
| 08:13.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:14.46 | JademusSreg | Specifically, I enjoy the idea of photon cycles able to drift and such. |
| 08:14.50 | Kenoli | I suppose gmod is pretty interesting |
| 08:15.21 | Bounty | word |
| 08:15.29 | Zolden | Jade yea |
| 08:16.41 | JademusSreg | I look forward to people doing doughnuts, whilst giving nary a fuck. |
| 08:18.36 | JademusSreg | If only they'd exposed the Havok APIs, now that would be fun shit. |
| 08:20.04 | Zolden | yea |
| 08:21.05 | Bounty | You see this one Goa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WBb9xA9AI#t |
| 08:21.13 | Bounty | Good stuff lol |
| 08:22.05 | JademusSreg | Also, while there's no asynchronous movement, it can be faked if one is willing, and so long as the gameplay is designed with error margins corresponding to the minimum latency the gameplay won't suffer. |
| 08:24.57 | Goa | Bounty yeah I linked that last night:D |
| 08:25.38 | Bounty | Its the same event but only a more first person view it seems |
| 08:25.45 | Bounty | Good stuff none the less lol |
| 08:26.00 | Bounty | Really hope they win >.< |
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| 08:26.52 | Bounty | I wonder how many of those riot police actually agree with the protesters in terms of what they want lol |
| 08:27.02 | Bounty | morons |
| 08:28.11 | Bounty | My memory might be messed up but its about joining the EU vs Russia right Goa? |
| 08:28.35 | Bounty | In which the protesters are on the side of the EU |
| 08:29.56 | Goa | wow laser weapons on US navy: http://www.apnews.com/ap/db_15897/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=SgFdoPRA |
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| 08:30.28 | Zolden | Bounty it's because goverment is criminal corrupted shit |
| 08:30.38 | Goa | yeah |
| 08:30.59 | Goa | all that west vs east is smoke screen |
| 08:31.17 | Zolden | being less dependent on russia's influence is nationalists' idea, they are about 5% of protestors, but they are most active |
| 08:31.57 | Goa | in Ukraine the mafia is the government. |
| 08:32.00 | Zolden | yea |
| 08:32.44 | Bounty | So it has nothing to do with the EU? |
| 08:32.49 | Zolden | the question is, if they able to elect another dude, that will be not from mafia, will not listen to bandits, and will bot be killed by them, and build nice economy |
| 08:33.24 | Bounty | If I am wrong than I am even more pissed from the BS I have read lol |
| 08:33.56 | Bounty | In the US it reads as they are fighting against Russian influence and want to join the EU |
| 08:34.11 | Zolden | Bounty EU thig is only the occasion to switch into active protests, but the deep reason of it has been there since the new president was elected |
| 08:34.24 | Bounty | Ah |
| 08:34.40 | Bounty | So the EU vs Russian thing was the trigger? |
| 08:35.45 | Bounty | I only ask because if I have been misinformed about this I want to know lol |
| 08:35.54 | Zolden | but since the president is putin's protege, and since russian goverment is associated with corruption and despotism, russia became enemy too |
| 08:35.56 | Goa | yeah trigger |
| 08:36.15 | Bounty | Makes sense |
| 08:36.26 | Bounty | But are they fighting to join the EU or not? |
| 08:36.42 | Bounty | I mean I get fighting Putins influence and all |
| 08:36.54 | Bounty | But does any of it have to do with them wanting to become part of the EU? |
| 08:37.13 | Zolden | joining EU is a symbol of reformation of economy, of switching from soviet model of governing to european |
| 08:37.21 | Bounty | I know that part |
| 08:37.26 | Goa | Bounty there is no unified opposition of the current government so they fighting for lots of stuff |
| 08:37.46 | Bounty | Since Ukraine is often connected towards the Soviet Union for some reason? |
| 08:38.17 | Bounty | Well I am just glad to see they are doing it Goa |
| 08:38.21 | Bounty | Never seen it before |
| 08:38.27 | Bounty | No bongos lol |
| 08:38.46 | Zolden | all former soviet regions right now are still being controlled by people who were part of soviet system, so it's still ineffective |
| 08:39.03 | Goa | Zolden not really |
| 08:39.11 | Zolden | yea, not really, except georgia |
| 08:39.31 | Bounty | The Russian revolution was wasted once they elected a single leader IMO |
| 08:39.32 | Goa | yeah:D thats what I wanted to say |
| 08:39.36 | Zolden | also, the western countries like duckies and twod's ones are ok |
| 08:39.39 | Bounty | From what I've read about Marx |
| 08:39.43 | Bounty | There was to be more leader |
| 08:39.49 | Bounty | again, I could be wrong |
| 08:40.25 | Bounty | err |
| 08:40.29 | Bounty | There was to be no leader* |
| 08:40.32 | Bounty | dat typo |
| 08:41.54 | Goa | Marx and his communism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto#II._Proletarians_and_Communists |
| 08:42.36 | Goa | I dont think he wrote much about leadership |
| 08:42.50 | Bounty | Yeah, because there is no government |
| 08:42.55 | Bounty | its a utopia lol |
| 08:43.06 | Zolden | communism doesn't work because humans are not ideal robots, they are selfish monkeys |
| 08:43.11 | Zolden | that's why capitalism works |
| 08:43.15 | Bounty | God damnit Zolden |
| 08:43.19 | Bounty | don't press my hand! |
| 08:43.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:43.31 | Bounty | No current system works for those very reasons |
| 08:43.33 | Bounty | human nature |
| 08:44.23 | Zolden | capitalism works great because of human nature |
| 08:44.24 | Bounty | People against communism say we're greedy so it will not work. While at the same time they promote a system that allows the greed sociopaths of society to eventually hold monopoly over the government |
| 08:44.28 | Bounty | No it doe snot |
| 08:44.32 | Goa | Zolden the nicer version of it, that capitalism works over communism because people are different. |
| 08:44.32 | Bounty | does not* |
| 08:44.48 | Zolden | Goa yea |
| 08:44.53 | Bounty | Over a long enough period of time capitalism fails |
| 08:44.57 | Bounty | because of greed |
| 08:45.08 | Bounty | Greed is a FAULT in humans, not a pro |
| 08:45.21 | Zolden | Bounty yes, it's a fun feature of capitalism |
| 08:45.45 | Bounty | Greed is what we should be evolving from |
| 08:45.57 | Bounty | imo |
| 08:46.03 | Bounty | Monkeys are greedy |
| 08:46.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:46.12 | Zolden | system works great when credit is allowed, but it leads to the fact that money attract/recreate money, so the reacher guys consume all money from the economy |
| 08:46.31 | Zolden | but without crediting, capitalism evolves too slow |
| 08:46.34 | Bounty | Which is why America was so great back in the day |
| 08:46.38 | Zolden | also, crediting is very natural |
| 08:46.46 | Bounty | Early Capitalism is awesome |
| 08:46.50 | Bounty | No doubt |
| 08:46.58 | Bounty | But over a longer period of time it fails |
| 08:47.22 | Bounty | When the President of the Country makes 100x less than the average banker... |
| 08:47.32 | Bounty | Politicians are setup to be bribed lol |
| 08:47.38 | Bounty | and there goes greed |
| 08:47.42 | Bounty | yet again |
| 08:47.52 | Bounty | And that is why it does not work over a longer period of time |
| 08:48.07 | Bounty | Communism is something that will work when we get to the level of some shit like Star Trek haha |
| 08:48.24 | Bounty | Waaaay off |
| 08:48.54 | Bounty | Just saying |
| 08:49.22 | Bounty | most people say socialism is the in between of the two but I am not so sure about that |
| 08:49.25 | Zolden | we can suppose it, but can't be sure, it's complicated |
| 08:49.45 | Bounty | Socialism does breed people to be dependent on their government... |
| 08:49.58 | Bounty | so I am not sure how that is the middle ground |
| 08:50.05 | JademusSreg | Two observations. (1) All human organizations are corruptable, and inevitably corrupted; sustaining the organization becomes an all-consuming purpose, as a successful organization bestows success to those who operate it, those who, in turn, serve their interests by consolidating the organization's power to mutual benefit. (2) The disenfranchised ever endeavour to usurp the power of those |
| 08:50.06 | JademusSreg | who exploit them and, in the gratuitous excesses of their success, inherit the exploitation that fueled their adversaries. |
| 08:50.11 | Bounty | LOL |
| 08:50.14 | Bounty | fucking JademusSreg |
| 08:50.22 | Bounty | Been typing that shit for the last 15 minutes |
| 08:50.25 | Bounty | *reads* |
| 08:50.54 | JademusSreg | Naw, just alt tabbed to scan some of the discussion and responded. |
| 08:50.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:51.05 | Bounty | btw |
| 08:51.13 | Bounty | If what you said is true |
| 08:51.20 | Bounty | then what is the fucking point of any of this |
| 08:51.36 | Bounty | I cannot understand the double standard of our species |
| 08:51.45 | Bounty | We're so great yet so horrible |
| 08:51.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:52.32 | Bounty | We believe in evolution but yet we cannot evolve |
| 08:52.39 | Bounty | as a culture |
| 08:52.51 | Bounty | as if to say our culture has always been the same |
| 08:53.55 | Zolden | be care, Bounty, it's a pretty volnurable point |
| 08:54.17 | Bounty | Oh I know |
| 08:54.21 | Bounty | Just saying though |
| 08:54.30 | Bounty | I am always ready to defend myself lol |
| 08:55.07 | Bounty | The moment the dialog is mainstream is the moment we begin to evolve as a culture |
| 08:55.12 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:55.53 | Bounty | Otherwise, like I said to Goa earlier... its just a matter of time, and probably soon IMO |
| 08:56.10 | Zolden | the moment one invents twitter is the moment we evolve as a culture |
| 08:56.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:56.36 | Bounty | Social Media is the most wasted invention of all time |
| 08:57.53 | Zolden | media was just an embryo of the system where everyone connected to everyone with instant ninja turtles communicator |
| 08:58.06 | Bounty | most people don't know about this but the wife works as a virtual assistant for major bloggers. Facebook randomly decides to start CHARGING for people to see your posts so her bosses had to cut a bunch of people/hours |
| 08:58.24 | Bounty | Like, I don't get it |
| 08:58.45 | Bounty | Charging for people to see your posts when they subscribe to your page |
| 08:58.55 | Bounty | are you FUCKING kidding me lol |
| 08:59.07 | Bounty | *goes to smoke a cig to calm down* |
| 08:59.12 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:59.35 | Zolden | lol |
| 09:00.01 | Zolden | *goes to make a map to make a map* |
| 09:00.19 | Goa | facebook is full of scam |
| 09:00.47 | Goa | If you pay for anything on facebook you are doing more harm then good for yourself... |
| 09:00.59 | Goa | for facebook* |
| 09:04.28 | Bounty | Tell that to all the businesses that depend on facebook for viewership until they did that update |
| 09:04.35 | Bounty | Just saying |
| 09:04.43 | Bounty | Fuck capitalism and facebook lol |
| 09:05.46 | Goa | After the long night, a little cuddling :) http://www.unn.com.ua/uploads/media/photo/2014/02/19/b4f5f212af3dcca165bce54ee86f749519b4224f.jpg |
| 09:06.41 | JademusSreg | Sure, because projecting one's values instead of understanding shit is productive. |
| 09:06.45 | Bounty | Looks like something from a Sci Fi movie |
| 09:06.48 | JademusSreg | *counterproductive =D |
| 09:07.14 | Bounty | I agree Jademussreg |
| 09:07.16 | Bounty | but |
| 09:07.27 | Bounty | you fail to understand the difference between values and experience |
| 09:07.37 | Bounty | white boy |
| 09:07.39 | Bounty | :) |
| 09:07.47 | Goa | Bounty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag |
| 09:09.25 | Zolden | how to make unit selsction ring invisible without putting the unit underground? |
| 09:09.46 | Bounty | I am not sure what that has to do with what I said Goa? lol |
| 09:09.50 | Goa | model selection circle? |
| 09:09.54 | Goa | set it to 0 |
| 09:10.05 | Bounty | The wife works for coupon/frugal bloggers |
| 09:10.35 | Goa | Bounty it shows that if you buy likes that do more harm than good |
| 09:10.43 | Bounty | Of course |
| 09:11.05 | Zolden | Goa when it's 0, it's still visible :) |
| 09:11.07 | Goa | even if it would be free... |
| 09:11.18 | Bounty | But that has nothing to do with Facebook charging bloggers so that their posts/update show up to more people that like their page |
| 09:11.51 | Goa | Zolden choose a unit that has no selection circle and attach the model to the unit:) |
| 09:12.04 | Bounty | That would be like youtube charging channels so that more of their subscribers could see their newest videos |
| 09:16.24 | Bounty | pwnt? I think so |
| 09:19.47 | Zolden | where to disable smartclicks? |
| 09:20.35 | Bounty | There is a trigger action to disable smartclicks |
| 09:20.46 | Zolden | which one? |
| 09:20.54 | Bounty | let me check |
| 09:22.06 | DeltaVelocity | enable/disable command type? |
| 09:22.15 | DeltaVelocity | or are you talking about on just 1 unit? |
| 09:22.29 | Bounty | mother fucker |
| 09:22.40 | Bounty | Enable/Disable Command type |
| 09:22.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:22.52 | Zolden | yea, thanks |
| 09:22.54 | Bounty | =P |
| 09:23.04 | DeltaVelocity | xD |
| 09:23.39 | Bounty | I love how the first time I've ever seen the name DeltaVelocity say anything it is to beat me to the punch |
| 09:23.42 | Bounty | Well played sir |
| 09:23.49 | Zolden | lol |
| 09:24.04 | DeltaVelocity | haha |
| 09:30.36 | DeltaVelocity | soo... |
| 09:30.43 | DeltaVelocity | what kinda maps are you guys making for the contest? |
| 09:30.58 | Goa | awesome maps |
| 09:31.01 | DeltaVelocity | hehe |
| 09:31.29 | JademusSreg | PCVD. Photon Cycles: Virtual Drive, not to be confused with Porcine CinoViral Disease. |
| 09:32.16 | DeltaVelocity | looks up Porcine Cino Viral Disease |
| 09:32.23 | Goa | PCVD? |
| 09:32.31 | Goa | ohh |
| 09:34.44 | Zolden | JademusSreg shout I jsut type actorbroadcastto id message in chat? |
| 09:36.02 | JademusSreg | Sure. Either that or if you prefer a clean demo, use a mouse or key input to trigger a Cheat. |
| 09:36.30 | Zolden | oh, worked, fine |
| 09:36.42 | Zolden | yes, for a demo I'll add a button to clean |
| 09:36.47 | Zolden | jsut testing shit |
| 09:37.35 | Zolden | is there a way for effect-target abil in targeting mode to check height based on walkable physics to adjsut effect's height? |
| 09:39.05 | JademusSreg | Bounty, see Assets\Doodads\PortZionGridFloorLiquidDoodad\PortZionGridFloorLiquidDoodad.m3 |
| 09:39.08 | Zolden | JademusSreg actorbroadcastto verticaltallx Destroy message only destroys one of the actor of this type |
| 09:39.32 | Zolden | i'd like to destroy all at once |
| 09:39.41 | JademusSreg | Odd. That should work. |
| 09:40.30 | Bounty | Yeah I've seen that one before JademusSreg |
| 09:40.35 | JademusSreg | Is actorbroadcast Destroy valid? |
| 09:40.39 | Bounty | Its just going to come down to texture swapping/color |
| 09:41.03 | Zolden | JademusSreg nope |
| 09:41.13 | Zolden | oh, wait |
| 09:41.34 | Zolden | no, not valid |
| 09:42.06 | Zolden | oh, without id it is valid |
| 09:42.13 | Zolden | but also destroys only one actor |
| 09:42.47 | JademusSreg | That doesn't sound right. |
| 09:43.08 | JademusSreg | It should destroy all of them. |
| 09:43.34 | JademusSreg | actordumplive, pastebin the output. |
| 09:44.21 | Zolden | i'm watching it in the actorinfodisplay, and it confirms that only 1 actor gets destroyed |
| 09:44.44 | Zolden | where does it shit output? |
| 09:44.50 | JademusSreg | Debugger. |
| 09:45.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:45.29 | Zolden | and how to open debugger? |
| 09:45.54 | JademusSreg | (Or find the .txt in EditorLogs) |
| 09:46.10 | Zolden | and where are editor logs? |
| 09:53.46 | JademusSreg | %DOCS%/Starcraft II/EditorLogs/ |
| 09:54.14 | Zolden | JademusSreg what did you find inside data files? |
| 09:55.00 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 09:55.06 | JademusSreg | Oh, herostorm. |
| 09:55.13 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:55.17 | Zolden | you said they are archives |
| 09:57.56 | JademusSreg | Not sure how to open the data inside the archives. They are multiple files mashed together, not sure how to dig into them. |
| 09:58.30 | Zolden | are they not mpq format? |
| 09:58.31 | JademusSreg | Which is to say opening the archives is easy, but the content of the archives appears as just "data". |
| 09:59.01 | Zolden | how many files are there? |
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| 10:00.32 | JademusSreg | Uncertain. |
| 10:06.29 | Zolden | can I add site operation to actor with actor message? |
| 10:09.32 | JademusSreg | Herostorm/BNTData/ contains *.index files. Herostorm/BNTData/darch/ contains data.* files. The data archives' content is just plain "data", and what that contains is not quite clear. |
| 10:09.47 | JademusSreg | Also, yes, if you know the right messages, absolutely. |
| 10:14.19 | Zolden | well, set host site operations message doesn't work, looks like physics model is independent of the actor origin |
| 10:15.27 | Zolden | another question: how to have cursor model be attached to mouse cursor on abil target? I created one, put abil to the token, but it is not being created at cursor |
| 10:17.00 | JademusSreg | Did you set the Cursor Effect in the ability? |
| 10:19.11 | Zolden | should I? there's no effects involved |
| 10:20.07 | Zolden | for example, when we placing terran aa turret, there's range actor attached |
| 10:20.15 | Zolden | i wnat the same thing |
| 10:21.14 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 10:21.35 | JademusSreg | So you've got a range actor? |
| 10:21.46 | Zolden | nope, cursor one |
| 10:22.10 | Zolden | i remember I once managed to attach cursor model to abil's cursor, and probably without using placement model |
| 10:22.17 | Zolden | but don't remember how |
| 10:23.29 | JademusSreg | Ah, a model. |
| 10:25.23 | JademusSreg | Use a custom PlacementActorModel. |
| 10:25.37 | DeltaVelocity | how do you change render priority? |
| 10:26.12 | DeltaVelocity | of an actor |
| 10:26.12 | JademusSreg | Notice how the PointDefenseDrone unit actor's PlacementActorModel field is a custom actor? The custom actor can create additional shit. |
| 10:26.13 | Zolden | JademusSreg how? I forgot ;/ |
| 10:26.36 | Zolden | ok, lemme check, guess i'l figure it out |
| 10:26.56 | JademusSreg | Delta, for what purpose? |
| 10:27.55 | DeltaVelocity | well I have this lava splash animation on top of a revive circle |
| 10:27.59 | DeltaVelocity | and the circle is showing on top |
| 10:28.04 | DeltaVelocity | even though tis below the animation |
| 10:28.12 | DeltaVelocity | and should be "inside" it |
| 10:28.41 | JademusSreg | Are both the assets using alpha blend mode? |
| 10:29.00 | JademusSreg | By which I mean are they both transparent? |
| 10:29.07 | DeltaVelocity | yes |
| 10:30.30 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's gonna be an issue. Billboard actors can force rendering over other shit, but unless you want it to never be obscurable, not a good or even guaranteed solution. |
| 10:30.33 | Zolden | JademusSreg placement model actors have model name term under actor creation event. What model are they referencing? |
| 10:30.54 | Zolden | my abil doesn't use any placement models |
| 10:31.26 | JademusSreg | Zol, the unit has PlacementModel and PlacementActorModel fields, the PlacementActorModel gets its model from the unit. |
| 10:31.32 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 10:31.41 | JademusSreg | Silly me, thought a unit was involved. |
| 10:34.30 | Zolden | yea, no units |
| 10:34.57 | JademusSreg | And what visual did you have in mind? |
| 10:37.19 | Zolden | JademusSreg just figured out that cursor actor didn't change abil name in events after addding it as a token, so I did manually, and now it does create a cursor model at cursor when I use abil button, but the model doesn't follow the cursor |
| 10:37.27 | Zolden | probably here I need to use placement model |
| 10:37.52 | Zolden | JademusSreg I simply need to asynchronously attach an actor to cursor to visualize the height of the effect |
| 10:37.58 | Zolden | because there will be height involved |
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| 10:38.10 | Zolden | doesn't matter what visual |
| 10:38.13 | Zolden | maybe a penis |
| 10:38.26 | Zolden | penis is ok as a pointer |
| 10:38.34 | JademusSreg | Er, so you're offsetting height relative to cursor? |
| 10:38.42 | JademusSreg | Or just want it to follow? |
| 10:39.48 | Zolden | I want it to follow at least |
| 10:39.55 | DeltaVelocity | hmmm |
| 10:40.17 | Zolden | later I'll validate some conditions and use the actor with the desired local offset as site operation |
| 10:40.22 | JademusSreg | Paste the xml. Something sounds weird. |
| 10:41.35 | Zolden | cursor actor xml is empty except model name |
| 10:41.48 | Zolden | because abil name - token name, so it's grayed |
| 10:41.56 | Zolden | site operations are default |
| 10:42.05 | JademusSreg | Parent? |
| 10:44.14 | Zolden | it's model -> cursor model |
| 10:44.16 | Zolden | actor |
| 10:45.24 | Zolden | I remember once I made it follow abil's cursor |
| 10:45.33 | Zolden | don't remember how though |
| 10:45.50 | JademusSreg | Seeing the actor and ability xml would be useful. |
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| 10:48.29 | Zolden | all is standard |
| 10:48.31 | Zolden | http://pastebin.com/z6SWDGPR |
| 10:48.45 | Zolden | jsut effect-target abil that executes an effect at point |
| 10:49.08 | Zolden | actor xml is blank |
| 10:49.52 | Zolden | Ahli I'm trying to make cursor model actor to follow abil's cursor, but it doesn't, any ideas? |
| 10:50.08 | JademusSreg | notices Effect has an index attribute and empty Cost. =D |
| 10:50.57 | JademusSreg | Not relevant to the problem, but those don't appear in data entries added from scratch. Hahaha |
| 10:51.01 | Zolden | yea, we can add multiple effects seems so |
| 10:51.29 | Zolden | i created first abil from scratch and then copied it |
| 10:51.36 | Zolden | because its' faster |
| 10:51.37 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 10:52.56 | JademusSreg | Anyway, tried setting the cursor effect? I recall, back in the day, a number of standard abilities used dummy effects to make the cursor actor event work properly. |
| 10:53.49 | JademusSreg | Cursor model actor has Abil.##abil##.Cursor, rather than Abil.##abil##.Guide. |
| 10:56.13 | Zolden | yes, aoe cursor requires it |
| 10:56.27 | Zolden | but in this situation there is no effect I could use |
| 10:56.46 | Zolden | also, yes, tried to put effect in cursor effect, but it did nothing |
| 10:56.51 | JademusSreg | Thus the word "dummy". But try the Guide message instead/ |
| 10:57.54 | Zolden | tried, no result |
| 10:58.27 | JademusSreg | I'll be back in an hour or two. Can dedicate more of my attention to it then. =D |
| 10:58.56 | kingTD | http://youtu.be/_psTPq5HY6U |
| 10:59.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg probably I should jsut use build abil and placement model to attach a cursor actor |
| 11:04.37 | Zolden | JademusSreg but if you find a way to keep a model attached to effect-target abil's cursor, it would be great |
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| 11:12.13 | Zolden | Delphinium hey, have you heard about anything related to extracting storm models from the alpha build? |
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| 11:36.13 | Zolden | what defines point defence drone placement model height? |
| 11:36.42 | Zolden | I changed defence drone's height, ravent's height, but placement model on ability cursor remained the same |
| 11:38.42 | Zolden | oh, placement model's sop |
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| 12:27.09 | Zolden | does anyone know what makes raven's defence drone placement model appear at cursor? |
| 12:27.25 | Zolden | i roughly remade it, but it doesn't appear |
| 12:29.23 | Zolden | oh, got it, its because model's physics |
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| 12:31.53 | Zolden | kingTD how's your civ map going? |
| 12:33.00 | Goa | lol "Moments ago Lawmakers in Ukraine?s Lviv region, declared independence after backers evicted appointed governor overnight" |
| 12:33.01 | kingTD | am, civ? |
| 12:33.17 | kingTD | i had few in planning some making stages |
| 12:33.28 | kingTD | not much done to be something playeable about those |
| 12:34.04 | Zolden | Goa some cops swap sides |
| 12:34.41 | Zolden | kingTD I wouldn't expect anything payeable, just curious about progress |
| 12:35.17 | kingTD | dont really which u reffering to :P |
| 12:35.48 | kingTD | currently plans are making proper balance changes to AoK, |
| 12:35.49 | Zolden | *playable |
| 12:36.27 | Zolden | balance change - good idea |
| 12:36.37 | kingTD | and next playable map im still looking forward to make that Eras Zombies Invasion shit stuff to make somekind of |
| 12:36.50 | Zolden | finish zoldarium |
| 12:37.27 | kingTD | btw about AoK looking more in balance of AoE to balance from but making its own progressions and shit |
| 12:37.52 | Zolden | just copy ron balance |
| 12:39.22 | kingTD | Zoldarium to fix need better setting, scenario. who vs who, where it takes place (map layout) and (forgot :D) |
| 12:39.41 | Zolden | who vs who? zoldens vs hitlers |
| 12:42.55 | kingTD | russians vs nazis? :s well then it needs those great tanks models, planes, kirovs |
| 12:43.42 | Zolden | oh, cat developed a conus already, licking it atm |
| 12:44.15 | Zolden | kingTD tanks are easy to create, also, someone have recently published some ww2 tanks |
| 12:45.07 | Goa | yeah, I miss ww2 gmaes |
| 12:46.00 | kingTD | well ww2 without magic is boring :/ |
| 12:46.17 | kingTD | imagine those pyro blast blowing shit up |
| 12:50.18 | Zolden | ww2 with magic is ra2 |
| 12:50.24 | Zolden | yury is magic |
| 12:52.25 | Zolden | looks like to make my map data based, i need to create 20 instances of each abil/model/actor/unit |
| 12:54.18 | kingTD | yuri have only zombie mutants and mind control, not that much of magic. |
| 12:54.29 | kingTD | more like religious nation |
| 12:55.57 | Zolden | well, yea, balanced magic in ww2 is ok |
| 12:56.10 | Zolden | not like super original, but there is no such maps |
| 12:56.22 | Zolden | necromancers |
| 12:56.33 | Zolden | summoning shit |
| 12:56.54 | kingTD | original? what? original would be just making ww2 without magic? |
| 12:56.55 | Zolden | some shit |
| 12:57.43 | Zolden | ww2 with magic is more original than without, like butterfly is bigger than ant when we are talking about creatures size |
| 12:57.52 | Zolden | there are still bears and opossums, you know |
| 13:02.48 | JademusSreg | Attached to cursor or replacing cursor? |
| 13:06.47 | Zolden | JademusSreg attached |
| 13:06.52 | Zolden | but I finally fixed it |
| 13:07.07 | Zolden | using what raven uses to place defence drone |
| 13:07.13 | Zolden | using dummy unit though |
| 13:07.43 | Zolden | because its' abil -> unit -> unit actor -> placement model + placement model actor |
| 13:08.26 | Zolden | somehow I managed to make cursor actor following build abil's cursor 2 years ago, but now faied |
| 13:08.39 | Zolden | so turned back to effect-target |
| 13:09.53 | Zolden | btw, can we add/change site operations of actors via catalog? |
| 13:10.13 | Zolden | it would save me a couple of hours of copypasting data |
| 13:10.18 | JademusSreg | Maybe, never tried that specifically. |
| 13:10.23 | Zolden | ok, i'll try |
| 13:19.17 | Zolden | crap, access denied ;/ |
| 13:20.16 | JademusSreg | Try upgrade? |
| 13:20.29 | Zolden | hmm, maybe offset field of sop actor be more pliable |
| 13:20.42 | JademusSreg | Or use actor messages, much better. |
| 13:20.53 | Zolden | if catalog can't do it, neither can upgrade, isn't it a rule? |
| 13:21.07 | Zolden | ok, i'll try |
| 13:21.36 | JademusSreg | Oh, upgrades and catalogs do have some shit they can do exclusively, weirdly. |
| 13:23.43 | Zolden | crap, local offset's offset field can't be written too |
| 13:24.15 | Zolden | and actor message can be sent only to existing actor, and for physics models it's too late to change offset |
| 13:25.08 | Zolden | looksl ike I have to create 20 entries of all shit for each height level |
| 13:26.45 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 13:27.58 | JademusSreg | Better idea, use the AttachModel command. |
| 13:28.33 | Zolden | what is it? |
| 13:28.42 | JademusSreg | It's very nice. =D |
| 13:28.50 | Zolden | oh, and I forgot that i'm using models without physics for placement, so it can work |
| 13:28.58 | Zolden | need to try |
| 13:29.23 | JademusSreg | Has fields to define actor, model, local offset, local rotation and other stuff. |
| 13:30.14 | JademusSreg | And you can use the same asset for both placement interface and the thing itself. |
| 13:30.32 | JademusSreg | Use the message PhysicsTerminate on the placement. |
| 13:33.47 | Zolden | dunno, nothing works ;/ |
| 13:34.09 | Zolden | i tried all things mentioned for the placement model, which is used by unit's actor |
| 13:34.11 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 13:34.34 | JademusSreg | You know how to use Attach messages? |
| 13:34.57 | Zolden | i just ued it in actor creation of the placement model actor |
| 13:35.04 | Zolden | tried to attach a model |
| 13:35.06 | Zolden | didn't work |
| 13:35.16 | Zolden | also setting sop or setting offset didn't work |
| 13:35.24 | JademusSreg | Paste ze XML |
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| 13:38.02 | Zolden | <On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="AttachModel {} verticaltallxplacement {} SOpHigherBy3"/> |
| 13:38.33 | Zolden | it's the only entry under the placement model |
| 13:39.06 | JademusSreg | Now instead of SOp, use local offset, and set the attach field. Origin is a good choice. |
| 13:39.44 | JademusSreg | And I suspect you avoid pasting so I don't poke fun. |
| 13:39.49 | Zolden | there is no origin, model has no attachment points |
| 13:40.05 | Zolden | it was the only entry, so i pasted it |
| 13:40.37 | JademusSreg | It's attaching to another model. Invisible is a good choice. |
| 13:42.37 | Zolden | <On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="AttachModel {} verticaltallxplacement {} {SOpAttachOrigin SOpHigherBy3}"/> |
| 13:42.38 | Zolden | like this? |
| 13:43.10 | JademusSreg | Ah, nope. =D |
| 13:43.36 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Kubi%20Heroes.SC2Map |
| 13:44.07 | JademusSreg | See the stukov infested command event macro. |
| 13:45.16 | Bommes | What does PhysicsTerminate do exactly? |
| 13:45.34 | JademusSreg | It terminates the physics, tada! |
| 13:46.00 | Bommes | Actually I think I will make a forum post in the near future to talk about all the new actor events and actions that have been added in the last 1 1/2 years or so |
| 13:46.08 | Bommes | because I'm pretty confused as to what a lot of them actually do |
| 13:46.17 | Zolden | JademusSreg are you refferring to an actor? |
| 13:46.27 | Bommes | and they haven't even been added to the Wiki yet so there's no help there |
| 13:46.53 | JademusSreg | Zol, the actor to which I refer has a bunch of Attach messages. Nice reference. |
| 13:47.20 | Bommes | so PhysicsTerminate means the model gets rid of all physics meshes that belong to i t? |
| 13:47.55 | Zolden | oh, i see |
| 13:48.45 | JademusSreg | Note not all the fields need to be assigned, I just used custom actors in the actor field to control their destruction. |
| 13:49.58 | JademusSreg | If the actor field is left blank, it uses CActorModel iirc, which may not be desirable. |
| 13:50.46 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea, this finally worked, ty |
| 13:51.02 | JademusSreg | No problem, my pleasure. |
| 13:51.37 | Bommes | Or does PhysicsTerminate mean the model changes from being an active physics mesh that reacts to forces to being a passive one? |
| 13:51.57 | Bommes | Or has PhysicsTerminate nothing to do with the physics meshes around models? |
| 13:52.17 | JademusSreg | Bom, if you're curious, test it. |
| 13:52.21 | Bommes | Like it sounds pretty straightforward but I just don't know what it does |
| 13:52.25 | Bommes | tt |
| 13:52.31 | Goa | Zolden the new Kiev catapult: http://kep.index.hu/1/0/555/5554/55544/5554406_9fb7e5ba439ffbf87e0c736814f7e8bf_wm.jpg |
| 13:52.40 | JademusSreg | Fun fact, it also terminates walkable planes. |
| 13:54.33 | Bommes | You talked about that walkable physics plane thing a couple of months ago and also posted some screenshots, are you using that for your new photon cycles map? :) |
| 13:54.51 | Bommes | Or just some experimentation in the category of "good to know"? |
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| 13:55.33 | Zandose | bleep bleep |
| 13:55.39 | JademusSreg | Probably both, not sure to what you refer though. |
| 13:56.20 | JademusSreg | Why are people so averse to testing? =D |
| 13:56.39 | JademusSreg | Not like the computer will explode. |
| 13:57.07 | Zandose | testing = bugs, bugs = debugging, debugging = anger, and anger leads to the dark side |
| 13:57.30 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 13:57.56 | Zandose | fine, join the dark side |
| 13:58.33 | JademusSreg | Testing and tinkering don't lead to the latter, because they don't have discrete goals, demands, or external pressure, they are curious explorations, thus no stress. |
| 13:58.42 | Bommes | tales say he is the warlord of the dark side |
| 13:58.57 | Zandose | ^A sith? |
| 13:59.00 | Bommes | but he won, I'm actually testing right now |
| 13:59.01 | Bommes | ^^ |
| 14:00.32 | Bommes | but my main problem with all the actor messages is that they are so specific and I wouldn't even know where to begin experimenting what they do |
| 14:00.54 | Bommes | because I have no idea how to apply them and see what effects they have |
| 14:01.04 | Zandose | triggers or data? |
| 14:01.25 | Bommes | I mean doesn't really matter, actor events or actions in data and actor messages in triggers |
| 14:01.35 | Bommes | I mean it's basically the same thing right? |
| 14:01.39 | Zandose | i know but i find triggers eaiser |
| 14:01.43 | Zandose | easier* |
| 14:01.47 | Zandose | mostly |
| 14:02.05 | Bommes | well there isn't the additional confusion of having events and actions mixed up |
| 14:02.13 | Bommes | so that's a bonus :D |
| 14:02.14 | Zandose | ....or is there |
| 14:02.23 | Zandose | or is there... |
| 14:02.23 | Bommes | not sure |
| 14:02.33 | Zandose | so what you want to do? im triggers |
| 14:04.15 | JademusSreg | Thar be sea monsters, and actor data. |
| 14:05.31 | Zandose | what ye be trying to do |
| 14:06.02 | JademusSreg | Encouraging Bom to test shit rather than post on the forums. |
| 14:06.19 | Zandose | i see |
| 14:06.48 | Zandose | i agree and disagree. sometimes you just dont know where to start and you need that first help |
| 14:07.35 | Zandose | as Zolden can attest i've bugged him plenty |
| 14:07.41 | JademusSreg | That assumes a goal. Just messing with shit, tinkering and seeing how it behaves, hardly requires "first help". |
| 14:08.13 | Zandose | but when you dont understand what a actor or actor message is how do you apply it |
| 14:09.18 | JademusSreg | By tinkering. |
| 14:09.33 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it |
| 14:09.34 | Zandose | but a reference point helps so much |
| 14:10.00 | Zandose | i can spend days tinkering or just ask someone |
| 14:10.22 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it's my error in assuming people have the capability to learn without relying on others to feed them information. |
| 14:10.38 | Bommes | I mean I see where you are coming from, but I think I'm just too impatient for that in terms of time that I put into it versus reward I get out of it. |
| 14:11.01 | Bommes | For example I would really like to know what the "Model Sudden Motion Start/Stop" actions do, but it sounds like a really specific thing |
| 14:11.03 | Zandose | learning is built upon information |
| 14:11.30 | Zandose | no idea lol |
| 14:11.49 | Bommes | so if I eventually find out after possibly hours of tinkering about it might reveal itself as something really useless that I won't use for anything |
| 14:12.25 | Zandose | im best guess is its related to a model playing a animation |
| 14:12.42 | JademusSreg | Helps to look at how it's used in the standard data. |
| 14:12.52 | JademusSreg | Hint: Charging zealot. |
| 14:13.26 | Zandose | ^reference point |
| 14:13.36 | Bommes | see, that would already be enough information for me to know where to look and learn |
| 14:13.46 | Bommes | but I don't know how to get these references otherwise |
| 14:13.48 | Bommes | other than asking |
| 14:13.58 | Zandose | ^word |
| 14:14.18 | Zandose | lol |
| 14:14.29 | Zandose | now to figure out my problem |
| 14:16.35 | Delphinium | Zolden<--Blz guys have changed the mpq format, so the old way is useless. |
| 14:17.11 | Delphinium | But since the models are still m3 format, so there do have some guys trying on it now. |
| 14:17.34 | Delphinium | I will let you know if they successed. |
| 14:17.42 | Bommes | Jade, do you know if all the other Physics related actor messages are used somewhere? Like Physics Body Dump, Physics Impact Customize, Physics Material Restore/Override etc. |
| 14:18.15 | Zandose | im trying to attach a actor to a unit and make it not do anything. for instance, no playing of animations and no changing its facing. any ideas? |
| 14:19.20 | JademusSreg | Bom, I could find out, since I have vast references, but that would deprive you of the educational experience. |
| 14:19.55 | JademusSreg | But no, I don't recall their use from memory. |
| 14:22.10 | Bommes | I guess I could be a bit more active in terms of searching for XML references etc myself |
| 14:22.30 | Bommes | so I don't have to ask as many annoying questions |
| 14:22.31 | Bommes | :P |
| 14:22.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:29.19 | Zandose | im trying to attach a actor/model to a unit and make it so it does not play any animations like walk or change facing (if i move the unit). |
| 14:30.07 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Kubi%20Heroes.SC2Map See the stukov infested command event macro. |
| 14:34.42 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN2QUhaKN2Q |
| 14:35.27 | JademusSreg | Nyeheheheheh. |
| 14:35.51 | kingTD | heh, pokemons stream is fucked it seems.. :s |
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| 14:53.37 | Zolden | arrgh |
| 15:04.27 | Bommes | anyone here with a titanfall betakey? |
| 15:04.32 | Bommes | or is it open beta already? |
| 15:05.57 | Goa | spoiler: it sucks |
| 15:07.19 | Bommes | I heard only good things |
| 15:07.25 | Bommes | so far |
| 15:14.16 | Zolden | JademusSreg I want to send a message to that placement model, how to reference it? is there a scope or something? |
| 15:14.58 | JademusSreg | Both approaches are possible. You're sending the message from trigger code, yeah? |
| 15:16.52 | Zolden | yeah |
| 15:17.20 | Zolden | there's even, target mode of abil |
| 15:17.29 | Zolden | actor should exist at that point |
| 15:17.41 | Zolden | but how to get to it? |
| 15:17.41 | JademusSreg | Gotta know how you've you're controlling the value configuration. |
| 15:17.48 | JademusSreg | *-you're |
| 15:18.03 | JademusSreg | *'ve |
| 15:18.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:18.29 | Zolden | just target more on event |
| 15:18.33 | Zolden | *mode |
| 15:19.37 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I assume there's only one user, so MUI is a non issue, which means you need the actor to RefSet its reference in the global scope. It can be adapted to MUI when you have need easily enough, so no worries there. |
| 15:21.35 | Zolden | ok, and how to refset its reference in the global scope? |
| 15:22.37 | JademusSreg | Have you used actor Ref messages before? |
| 15:23.25 | Renee_ | Placement Actor has its own scope |
| 15:23.48 | Zolden | JademusSreg not sure, possibly |
| 15:23.52 | Zolden | Renee_ which one? |
| 15:24.06 | JademusSreg | Yar, though the offset modification will need to be applied to both placement and the newly produced physics actor. |
| 15:24.26 | JademusSreg | So I figure the same approach can be used for each. |
| 15:24.40 | Zolden | Renee_ or rather where to see if an actor has its scope |
| 15:25.04 | Renee_ | Every actor needs a scope |
| 15:25.34 | Zolden | JademusSreg let's concentrate on placement, physics one won't work with this stuff |
| 15:25.59 | Zolden | Renee_ yea, but how to know what scope used for my placement model actor, to use it in trigger? |
| 15:26.31 | Renee_ | The most easy way to get access to the placement actor is modify the event of the actor ID 'PlacementModel' in data editor |
| 15:26.48 | Renee_ | if you use the default setting. |
| 15:27.15 | Zolden | I copied the default placement actor |
| 15:27.19 | JademusSreg | You're already using a custom PlacementActorModel, yeah? |
| 15:27.27 | Zolden | yea |
| 15:27.32 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 15:28.12 | Renee_ | Method 1: Set global ref for it |
| 15:28.26 | Renee_ | Method 2: Check the 'External Finder' flag |
| 15:29.07 | Renee_ | Method 2 is relately easy, check the Add To External Finder flag |
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| 15:29.29 | JademusSreg | Anyway, could have the actor data use RefSet, use ActorRefGet in the trigger code to get the actor, send whatever message. Fairly straightforward. |
| 15:29.42 | Renee_ | and you can capture it via ::external.PlacementModel in trigger |
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| 15:30.16 | Renee_ | If you use custom Placement actor, just use ::external.yourCustomID |
| 15:30.42 | JademusSreg | Ah, does sound like a more elegant solution. |
| 15:31.25 | JademusSreg | If there's only one instance, it's viable. |
| 15:31.54 | Renee_ | yep. I guess that's the case of Zolden. |
| 15:32.07 | Renee_ | Method 3: |
| 15:32.32 | Renee_ | You can also use region message with actor term to filter out your target |
| 15:33.07 | Renee_ | 'Send Actor Message To Actor Region With Filters' with this action |
| 15:33.26 | Zolden | i'd like to make the ::external.yourCustomID one to work |
| 15:33.48 | JademusSreg | Ideal, elegant, optimal control. |
| 15:34.11 | Zolden | should it be string? i can't complie when using this |
| 15:35.21 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 15:35.30 | Zolden | i mean, how to make "::external.yourCustomID" thing be a type of actor scope |
| 15:35.47 | JademusSreg | Renee, do you have a list of the herostorm galaxy native prototypes? |
| 15:36.44 | Renee_ | Zolden, use 'Actor From' Function |
| 15:37.17 | Zolden | if I use this ActorScopeSend("::external.PlacementModel2", "my message"), it doesn't compile because of parameter type misfit |
| 15:37.49 | Renee_ | JademusSreg, I do have. But I got some warning from Blizzard China :( |
| 15:38.22 | JademusSreg | Ah, in that case, if I were to hypothetically receive such a list, I wouldn't distribute it. |
| 15:38.23 | Renee_ | So I guess I need to wait for some day before I post it.. |
| 15:38.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:39.12 | Renee_ | well, may be you will hypothetically receive such a list tomorrow... |
| 15:39.19 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 15:41.14 | JademusSreg | Hypothetically, I would be pleased and thankful. |
| 15:41.34 | JademusSreg | Anyway, brb |
| 15:41.41 | Renee_ | ActorScopeSend(ActorScopeFrom("::external.ID"), "your msg"); |
| 15:41.53 | Zolden | Renee_ ok, with actor from it compiles, but it doesn't work, even with that external finder flag |
| 15:42.11 | Zolden | (meanwhile, sending to region works, but I want this one to work too) |
| 15:42.19 | Renee_ | Ok |
| 15:43.08 | Renee_ | Zolden, most of the time. The Placement scope contain only one scope |
| 15:43.19 | Renee_ | *One Actor |
| 15:43.21 | Renee_ | sorry |
| 15:43.44 | Renee_ | So you can directly send to "::external.ID" |
| 15:44.30 | Goa | If Renee_ gets busted for hypothetically sending a list then we will know that blizzard is spying in this irc room |
| 15:46.17 | Zolden | Renee_ yea, sending directly worked. But won't it affect other players iof they will have this actor alive? |
| 15:47.58 | Renee_ | It depend on what actually you want to achieve |
| 15:49.13 | JademusSreg | (Plausible deniability, Goa. Never do what can be proven. Never assert what can be disproven.) |
| 15:50.07 | Renee_ | Zolden, what you want to do with your PlacementModel? |
| 15:50.38 | Zolden | Renee_ I want a model to be attached to it when a player has target mode on for abil |
| 15:51.38 | Zolden | but trigger checks players' stuff and adjusts the height of the attachable model |
| 15:52.08 | Zolden | and players can have different height |
| 15:52.26 | Renee_ | So you want different height of attached model for different player |
| 15:52.41 | Zolden | yea |
| 15:53.38 | Renee_ | it seems that GAx3's send msg asy action does fit for your requirement.. |
| 15:55.03 | Renee_ | But I also thing it can be done by more raw Data |
| 15:55.08 | Renee_ | *think |
| 15:55.13 | JademusSreg | That clever technique. =D |
| 15:55.35 | JademusSreg | Convenient Herostorm adds various ForPlayer natives. |
| 15:55.46 | Renee_ | Yep |
| 15:56.35 | JademusSreg | Though from a coding perspective, your clever trick is more flexible than the standard player filter feature. |
| 15:56.44 | Zolden | Renee_ yes, looks like it can be done with data |
| 15:56.49 | Zolden | i'll give it a try |
| 15:57.32 | Renee_ | :) |
| 15:58.53 | Bommes | http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/levels-of-excellence/ |
| 15:59.19 | Renee_ | In an extreme scene, you can just create the model for all players, and use Player Filter msg to hide them. Not so elegent though... |
| 16:00.31 | Zolden | Renee_ have you seen my little physics experiment vid? (you can watch youtune, right?) |
| 16:00.35 | Bommes | Is the hypothetical tomorrow the actual today? |
| 16:00.54 | Zolden | Renee_ ok, if nothing else works i'll try |
| 16:01.26 | JademusSreg | Zol's physics demos are adorable. |
| 16:02.50 | Renee_ | What's the link of the demo? |
| 16:03.36 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssippjBLTNE |
| 16:03.41 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFX0ys7xEA |
| 16:03.53 | Renee_ | thx |
| 16:04.05 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 16:04.13 | Renee_ | I have a proxy, but it's laggy |
| 16:05.56 | Bommes | Renee_, when you made that first physics introduction video with 1.5, how did you make the ragdoll actors float in water? Do you remember? Would you mind explaining in case it's not too much trouble? |
| 16:06.29 | Renee_ | Nice video. It is called 'domino' I guess? |
| 16:07.41 | JademusSreg | Love the ending. Rather Monty Python. |
| 16:08.31 | Renee_ | Boomes, I didn't remember that... sorry |
| 16:08.49 | Renee_ | You can't make your marine float? |
| 16:08.57 | Bommes | okay, no problem :) thanks for the response anyways |
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| 16:09.42 | Dustin | I dont like how zoomed in the HOTS camera is |
| 16:09.44 | Bommes | mmh, I didn't try it with a marine |
| 16:09.53 | Bommes | but yeah, I didn't have much success when I tried it |
| 16:09.58 | Dustin | Makes me feel like im playing with big plushy dolls |
| 16:10.06 | Bommes | it was a couple of weeks ago so I'm not even sure anymore which methods I tried |
| 16:10.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg lol, it's fun that you too referenced monty python |
| 16:10.17 | Renee_ | I may retry it next time. |
| 16:11.34 | Zolden | Renee_ i'm using "term -> validate unit -> count behaviors on caster validator" in placement model actor... but doesn't seem to work. is there a chance that placement model actor doesn't see the caster? |
| 16:12.27 | Renee_ | Zolden, if you use target on message, the event is locally |
| 16:13.15 | JademusSreg | Shares one of the Monty Python comedic structures, specifically the interludes. Repetative, low arousal sequence followed by an abrupt high arousal event. |
| 16:13.21 | Renee_ | So if you capture the event then set the hight for ::external.xxx, you don't need to worry about other players |
| 16:15.06 | Renee_ | Delphinium once tried to use Physic body to build a binary computer. |
| 16:15.29 | Renee_ | The physic body doesn't work as he imaged, though. |
| 16:15.36 | Zolden | Renee_ now i'm trying to do it with data, no triggers involved, and there's "actor creation event -> attach model message" and it works, but I also want to validate if abil's caster has a behavior or not, and that validator doesn't see the aster looks so |
| 16:15.47 | Bommes | ok Renee, cool :) it's no big deal though even if you can't find the time, I will just try to figure it out myself if I really need it. I was just curious |
| 16:15.58 | Zolden | Renee_ binary computer? |
| 16:16.08 | Renee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.20 | JademusSreg | Binary computer is boring compared to using the physics analogues to simulate molecular chemistry. |
| 16:16.52 | Zolden | oh, once I finish with this map, i'll simulate the shit of molecular chemistry |
| 16:17.31 | Zolden | though, forces don't seem to have max count of affectable objects, so no valency |
| 16:18.11 | JademusSreg | Just need to find a valence analogue. =D |
| 16:18.17 | Renee_ | If you write a actor use abil.xx.target as event. It could validate the caster. |
| 16:18.35 | Renee_ | Then you can ask the actor to send msg to ::external.xxx |
| 16:19.18 | Zolden | ok, lemme try |
| 16:21.09 | Renee_ | Just Some days ago, I finished the 'Orbs can change weapon's missile model' system of my WC3 mod |
| 16:21.30 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:28.58 | Renee_ | Basicly, when a orb behavior is on, it will create simple typed actor in the unit's scope. Each has _Sphere alias. When a weapon missile fires, it would find the caster scope via a actor Requst. |
| 16:29.42 | Renee_ | And it would set 'Signl.SwapMe' signl to _Sphere in the scope |
| 16:29.45 | JademusSreg | Quite nice. |
| 16:29.49 | Renee_ | *send |
| 16:30.59 | Renee_ | when _Sphere recived this signl, it would send a ModelSwap msg to the SENDER of the signal |
| 16:31.29 | Zolden | Renee_ http://pastebin.com/5FaUhqSv <-- I created this actor, but it doesn't seem to add the attachment to placement model, what could be wrong? |
| 16:31.49 | JademusSreg | brb in 20 |
| 16:33.29 | Renee_ | ::external, zolden |
| 16:33.34 | Renee_ | not external:: |
| 16:34.05 | Zolden | lol |
| 16:34.09 | Zolden | what's wrong wuith me :) |
| 16:34.32 | Zolden | yea, this worked |
| 16:34.40 | Zolden | now i'll try to validate caster |
| 16:34.55 | Bommes | too many drugs |
| 16:35.09 | Renee_ | So I go to sleep now |
| 16:35.16 | Renee_ | it's 0:35 here. |
| 16:35.32 | Renee_ | ~~ |
| 16:35.39 | Bommes | cya |
| 16:35.43 | Renee_ | cy |
| 16:37.22 | Zolden | fuck, all shit works now |
| 16:37.32 | Zolden | Renee is just all knowing angel |
| 16:39.14 | JademusSreg | (That would wound my megalomania, if I didn't know it were true about myself, as well.) |
| 16:41.19 | Zolden | sure, you know all this stuff too, who would ever doubt it |
| 16:41.54 | Dustin | Stewox would |
| 16:41.59 | Dustin | Cause that's just the kinda guy he is |
| 16:42.39 | pirate | what is the best way to handle and store rpg styled attributes for units (arbitrary values with no direct impact on game data). Each unit must have a set of base stats. Equipped items must increase specific stats by a number of points. Buffs must increase stats by a percentage of the (base + equipped) sum |
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| 16:43.20 | pirate | at the moment I'm using a record that has three values for each stat (base), (added), and (multiplier) |
| 16:45.00 | pirate | the problem with this is that triggers have to recalculate the stats every time something happens that would could potentially change any of the three variables |
| 16:45.15 | pirate | and particularly this seems to be prone to screw ups when lots of buffs are involved |
| 16:45.21 | Dustin | That could work, minor stat recalculation wouldnt be a problem |
| 16:46.51 | pirate | is there a data driven way to increase attributes by a percentage rather than by points? |
| 16:47.09 | Dustin | Not that I've seen |
| 16:51.39 | Zolden | will abil -> behavior -> turn on add 1 behavior every tim I use it, and off remove 1 behavior every time? |
| 16:52.47 | Goa | Zolden seems like 40-50 people was burn alive in the Union building in Kiev that was set fire by police grenades... |
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| 16:53.40 | Zolden | well, gay it is |
| 16:54.22 | Zolden | though, 25 killed reported officially, most are shot |
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| 16:58.33 | Bommes | herostorm q&a in 2 hours |
| 16:58.48 | Goa | Lviv (thats not a government soldier:) ) : http://galeria.index.hu/kulfold/2014/02/19/eltorlaszolt_hatar_elfoglalt_rendorparancsnoksag/13# |
| 17:00.22 | Dustin | Bommes, is it just art? |
| 17:01.22 | Bommes | I think so |
| 17:01.36 | Bommes | they probably also have a developer match again just like they did for the other q&as |
| 17:03.49 | Zolden | Goa yea, on west sides they capture cop and army stantions, grab the weapons |
| 17:04.17 | Zolden | Bommes can we ask? |
| 17:04.31 | Zolden | i wanna ask about tracking physics objects coordinates |
| 17:04.33 | Dustin | Im not impressed with the HOTS art at all so far, so Ill probably pass |
| 17:05.07 | Zolden | Dustin aren't the models textured well? |
| 17:05.13 | Zolden | why u not impresses? |
| 17:05.17 | Zolden | *d |
| 17:05.49 | Dustin | They are all huge puffy models that make it feel like im 3 years old again |
| 17:06.25 | Zolden | yea... that siege tank is a ridicule |
| 17:06.41 | Dustin | Raynor looksl ike a black Staypuft marshmellow man |
| 17:06.44 | Zolden | and everything is too acrtoony |
| 17:06.49 | Dustin | ^ |
| 17:06.51 | Dustin | Very much so |
| 17:07.38 | Dustin | I hope they make some drastic changes before beta |
| 17:07.48 | Dustin | Or its gonna be another D3 for me |
| 17:08.07 | JademusSreg | More intested in the new data and galaxy features. Art assets are not interesting. |
| 17:08.34 | JademusSreg | However aesthetically pleasing or whatever, they don't make gameplay. |
| 17:09.00 | Dustin | No but they make me not want to play it |
| 17:09.13 | Dustin | Cause, fuck my eyes with a hot fork |
| 17:10.04 | JademusSreg | Ah, haha. |
| 17:10.26 | Dustin | Hmmm I can't seem to find a way to intercept a player sending another resources, I woulda figured they would have an event to catch that |
| 17:12.33 | Bommes | http://i.imgur.com/PjEDHDW.jpg the amount of tomatosauce in the ukraine is too damn high |
| 17:14.11 | JademusSreg | First glance, Player Property Change. |
| 17:14.30 | JademusSreg | For what purpose do you need to intercept? |
| 17:15.04 | Dustin | I see that event, but that won't help, I need to know who sent how many minerals to which player. |
| 17:15.34 | JademusSreg | If it's mediated by effects, you can know everything. |
| 17:15.57 | JademusSreg | If it's done via dialog shit, same. |
| 17:16.12 | Dustin | It's the ingame trading dialogs |
| 17:16.25 | Dustin | If I had my own system it owuldnt be a problem :) |
| 17:17.12 | JademusSreg | If it's done via the usual resource trade panel, you might be able to trade the panel's interactions. Inelegant compared to, say, a dialog hookup. |
| 17:17.42 | JademusSreg | If you hookup, then you can read the control states, including the value of the spinner. |
| 17:17.59 | Dustin | Interesting, that would be the best bet then if that's possible |
| 17:19.18 | JademusSreg | If you've not used hookups before, the HotS hero bars use it, hell HotS campaign uses it, so there are some references in the standard data. |
| 17:19.48 | Dustin | Ive done hookups for like the command card and shit, but not with the resource trading elements |
| 17:20.38 | JademusSreg | Goot, so long as you're familiar, should make implementing it much easier. |
| 17:22.43 | Dustin | Hmm, Don't see where I could hokup this panel to get the player values... http://puu.sh/72jTh.png |
| 17:24.22 | JademusSreg | You hookup to the instance, not the definition. |
| 17:24.36 | Dustin | hmm |
| 17:28.38 | JademusSreg | DialogControlHookupStandard(int type, string inTemplate); |
| 17:29.28 | JademusSreg | And you want to take control of the entire panel, of course, so as to access all of its subframes via DialogControlHookup |
| 17:34.36 | Dustin | So I have to supply the panels frame for the string parameter? |
| 17:34.47 | Dustin | Where would I find the path for that? |
| 17:37.03 | Zandose | look under Modules > UI |
| 17:37.16 | Zandose | what one you want? |
| 17:37.30 | Dustin | Resource Trading panel |
| 17:38.50 | JademusSreg | Hold on. Paste for HotS code incoming. |
| 17:38.52 | Zandose | its either in ResourcePanel or.... looking |
| 17:39.06 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/rk8k |
| 17:39.37 | JademusSreg | So find where the resource panel instance is within GameUI layout. |
| 17:40.29 | Dustin | I guess it would just be ResourcePanel? |
| 17:40.38 | Zandose | maybe not |
| 17:40.50 | Zandose | that could be just the template for the gameui one |
| 17:41.01 | Zandose | whats cashpanel? |
| 17:41.23 | JademusSreg | I would assume it's at least contained in UIContainer. |
| 17:41.33 | JademusSreg | Are you gonna make me look? =D |
| 17:41.45 | Zandose | im guess CashPanel |
| 17:42.26 | Dustin | The way they do the fucking pathing for this UI XMl crap confuses and irritates me |
| 17:42.39 | Zandose | you get use to it |
| 17:42.44 | JademusSreg | Dustin, test map, Ctrl Alt F12. |
| 17:42.53 | Zandose | all the things ingame are in GameUI |
| 17:42.59 | JademusSreg | Fastest way to find the frame instance path. |
| 17:43.11 | JademusSreg | OR rather, easiest. |
| 17:43.17 | Dustin | gotcha |
| 17:43.34 | Zandose | ^!!! never new that |
| 17:43.53 | JademusSreg | I get that a lot. |
| 17:45.59 | Dustin | Ugh of course I have to be in a god damned mp game to see the resource trading button |
| 17:46.12 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:46.24 | JademusSreg | You can force it visible, not that you need to. |
| 17:46.36 | Dustin | Oh can I browse without cliking it |
| 17:46.44 | JademusSreg | If you know where it should appear, right click on the screen area, and it will appear in the context menu. |
| 17:46.50 | JademusSreg | Or yeah, that. |
| 17:46.57 | Dustin | ahha |
| 17:48.43 | Dustin | This is stupid that I cant force it to show from this ingame ui editor crap |
| 17:48.49 | JademusSreg | You can. |
| 17:48.57 | JademusSreg | First, set Visible to false |
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| 17:49.01 | JademusSreg | Hit enter. |
| 17:49.07 | JademusSreg | Then set to true. Hit5 enter. |
| 17:49.10 | JademusSreg | *Hit |
| 17:49.22 | Dustin | Oh shit |
| 17:49.33 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 17:49.37 | Dustin | ty |
| 17:49.40 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 17:55.23 | Dustin | This is either the most stupidly named thing ever, Im blind, or this fucker isnt here |
| 17:56.24 | Dustin | I think it's called TeamResourcePanel |
| 17:56.31 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll use my powahz. |
| 17:56.49 | Dustin | But it wont show in the game when I enable it to visible |
| 17:56.54 | Dustin | so I cant be sure |
| 17:57.58 | JademusSreg | TeamResourcePanel |
| 17:58.08 | JademusSreg | Need more info? |
| 17:58.40 | Dustin | How would I grab the info from there once it's hookedup? |
| 17:59.27 | JademusSreg | UIContainer/FullscreenUpperContainer/TeamResourcePanel |
| 18:00.26 | JademusSreg | Once you hookup to it via DialogControlHookupStandard, use DialogControlHookup on each of the subframes you want to control. |
| 18:00.47 | Dustin | Ah, then just get the dialot item value |
| 18:00.53 | Dustin | dialog* |
| 18:01.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:08.36 | Dustin | This is a lot of work to simply track resource trading lol |
| 18:10.35 | Dustin | aaand Im going to have to be b.net to test |
| 18:10.41 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
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| 18:20.51 | Dustin | Blizzard needs to add Developer Comments to reviews ASAP |
| 18:20.55 | Dustin | This is getting fucking old |
| 18:21.12 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:21.28 | Dustin | Im sick of whiney little kids who rate 1 star and bitch about shit that doesnt even pertain to the map |
| 18:21.41 | Dustin | I want to be able to comment on those reviews, or ones that have questions |
| 18:22.00 | Dustin | It's rediculious we not only have no control but no way to respond to those reviews |
| 18:22.04 | JademusSreg | Users can change their reviews, right? |
| 18:22.30 | Dustin | yup |
| 18:23.04 | JademusSreg | Incentivize that behavior. Use the player handle to encourage them to do so. |
| 18:23.46 | Dustin | what? |
| 18:24.42 | JademusSreg | Suppose a player suddenly finds they can't chat, can't progress between games, and their in-game name is changed to something embarassing. |
| 18:25.24 | Dustin | At that point Id just ban them from playing |
| 18:25.30 | JademusSreg | Something like "My Review Sucks". |
| 18:25.44 | JademusSreg | Naw, banning is boring, tormenting is far more amusing. |
| 18:25.50 | JademusSreg | And effective. |
| 18:25.54 | Dustin | But that doesn't help the dude who played the map once and put 1 star cause he's a jackass even if the map was good |
| 18:26.29 | JademusSreg | Nope, can't beat a dedicated troll, but it would have an impact. |
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| 18:39.04 | Scorp_ | hello guys! |
| 18:41.33 | kingTD | hello fat face! |
| 18:41.36 | Scorp_ | <3 |
| 18:42.36 | Scorp_ | I was wondering if it's still not possible to make player numbers reflect lobby? |
| 18:43.36 | JademusSreg | Use playergroups. |
| 18:43.47 | JademusSreg | Never again want that. |
| 18:44.09 | Scorp_ | I see |
| 18:45.01 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:45.09 | Scorp_ | guess that's how I'm gonna do it |
| 18:47.34 | Zolden | kingTD lol |
| 18:47.49 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/47/507/j.gif |
| 18:48.13 | kingTD | Zoldead hell yahs! |
| 18:48.25 | Zolden | Delphinium wow, nice |
| 18:48.26 | Scorp_ | Delphinium: looks nice |
| 18:48.35 | Delphinium | Thanks~ |
| 18:49.12 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/47/505/QQ20140219185304.jpg |
| 18:55.15 | Scorp_ | did you model the effects yourself? |
| 18:55.33 | Zolden | Delphinium waht binary computer did Renee mean you wanted to create with physics? |
| 18:56.51 | Zolden | Scorp_ he's the best effect maker on mapster |
| 18:57.07 | Scorp_ | what do I know |
| 18:57.16 | Scorp_ | :D |
| 18:58.12 | Scorp_ | what is his mapster name? |
| 18:58.49 | Zolden | also Delphinium |
| 18:59.01 | Zolden | with some numbers |
| 19:01.13 | Bommes | http://www.twitch.tv/BlizzHeroes |
| 19:01.15 | Goa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZMaheZ_Iy0 |
| 19:02.49 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 19:02.54 | Zolden | lol, alot of hair on that fatty |
| 19:03.01 | Delphinium | Renee said what? |
| 19:03.40 | Bommes | teh echo |
| 19:03.46 | Zolden | something about you, physics and binary computer |
| 19:03.57 | Zolden | Bommes yea, bad sound shit, you have it too? |
| 19:04.15 | Zolden | yea, all have |
| 19:04.24 | Delphinium | Oh |
| 19:05.12 | Dustin | yeah wtf |
| 19:05.16 | Dustin | I thought I had another tab open |
| 19:05.18 | Delphinium | That's a simple mechanical computer which I want to import 1+1 to it, and let it calculate. |
| 19:05.31 | Zolden | Bommes tell me when they fix it AND something interesting will be told of |
| 19:06.07 | Zolden | Delphinium and how would you encode 1 and 0? |
| 19:06.15 | Delphinium | But I failed because the physics are not accurate enough. |
| 19:07.02 | Delphinium | a small physical ball is one, and two balls mean two, something likes that. |
| 19:08.10 | Delphinium | Finally, my little computer in sc2 seized up... |
| 19:08.58 | Zolden | and how plus operation would work? |
| 19:12.01 | Delphinium | the ball will fall into the slots, and before that it trigger a baffle which blocks this slot, so the next ball can only fall into another slot |
| 19:13.40 | Bommes | sound is fixed |
| 19:13.48 | Delphinium | and the baffle will trigger the display which can play 0 and 1 only. |
| 19:13.58 | Delphinium | so it failed. |
| 19:14.49 | Scorp_ | I got kind of used to the echo |
| 19:15.45 | Zolden | Delphinium funny :) |
| 19:16.05 | Zolden | Delphinium and i'm making a map that will be based completely on physics |
| 19:17.16 | Delphinium | that's nice, I had similar plan too, but you know how poor my editor skill is. |
| 19:17.41 | Zolden | well, guess you're learning |
| 19:18.09 | Delphinium | And the plan is too early, much earlier before star tools released. |
| 19:19.12 | Delphinium | Zolden are you going to make a domino map? |
| 19:19.40 | Zolden | Delphinium i'm goin to make a map where players will build castles and explode them |
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| 19:20.13 | Dustin | Blizzard is trying to get HOTS to be a competitive game Im sure, but that's not gonna happen |
| 19:20.16 | Delphinium | sounds ineresting...but they explode them for what? |
| 19:20.35 | Zolden | Delphinium can you watch youtube? |
| 19:20.53 | Delphinium | I saw your videos already. |
| 19:20.57 | Zolden | Dustin dell us pls when they start editor related discussion |
| 19:21.00 | Delphinium | that's nice btw. |
| 19:21.32 | Zolden | Delphinium yea, and there I've preprogrammed tower creation, and in the actual map players will be given with instruments to build their own buildings |
| 19:21.43 | Zolden | it would be pretty fun for me to build one and then explode |
| 19:21.57 | Dustin | It's all been rehashed crap so far |
| 19:22.05 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/72rim.jpg |
| 19:22.37 | Delphinium | nanakey did a similar thing like your castles in video 2. |
| 19:23.05 | Zolden | yea, who would not want to try it |
| 19:23.10 | Zolden | fun stuff |
| 19:24.05 | Delphinium | But that's a very different story, she wants to get the galaxy code in the game, so that can rebuild the secenes in the editor after game. |
| 19:24.35 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/72ru9.jpg |
| 19:24.50 | Delphinium | and let's get more zerglings |
| 19:28.41 | Zolden | JademusSreg can I use your attach message on a host actor, then destroy the host, and the attached one to stay? |
| 19:29.30 | JademusSreg | Possibly. It's probably not as easy as it sounds, though. |
| 19:30.17 | JademusSreg | Makes faaaar more sense to host from an invisible model you don't need to destroy, rather like Gax3's god actor. |
| 19:30.23 | JademusSreg | Only not exactly like that. |
| 19:32.18 | kingTD | hmmm how to make when upgrade is done model would swap? (variants dont help) http://i.snag.gy/2wcv8.jpg |
| 19:32.25 | JademusSreg | Trouble is that when a host is destroyed, the scope needs to be determined. Often poorly constructed model additions remain after the host is destroyed because they lack actor orphan destroy messages. |
| 19:32.57 | Zolden | JademusSreg hmm, by some reason it worked after first attempt, attached model just didn't disappear after the host got destroyed |
| 19:33.01 | JademusSreg | So, what you want is doable. Just need to ensure orphaning doesn't destroy it for starters. |
| 19:33.39 | Zolden | JademusSreg looks like when we create a model, it is created as an actor with empty events |
| 19:33.50 | JademusSreg | Yeah, if the AttachModel message actor field is blank, the empty message parameter defaults to CActorModel as I said previously. |
| 19:33.51 | Zolden | so no oprah destroy |
| 19:34.11 | JademusSreg | CActorModel lacks the ActorOrphan -> Destroy message, so you should be fine. =D |
| 19:34.26 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:40.27 | A1win | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/19/jacking-into-the-matrix-eve-and-oculus-utopian-dreams/ |
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| 19:48.25 | kingTD | http://www.twitch.tv/BlizzHeroes gameplay once again |
| 19:52.01 | Dustin | Not impressed with HOTS at all |
| 19:52.15 | Dustin | Waste of effort if you ask me, should have just made it a map instead of an engine fork |
| 19:52.21 | Dustin | Not wroth it |
| 19:52.24 | Dustin | worth* |
| 19:53.05 | Zolden | JademusSreg I have a validator, that checks behaviors oncaster. This validator works when actor has abil...target on create event. And now check this http://pastebin.com/YZn1KSz0 do you have any idea why this actor with effect -> create seems to not seeing the caster? It just have all validators false even if one of them is true |
| 19:56.38 | JademusSreg | Click. |
| 19:57.26 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware there was a caster. Also, need to see the validator. |
| 19:59.59 | Zolden | well, validator is simple and it works with another actor http://pastebin.com/VYaSSv6Q |
| 20:00.45 | JademusSreg | Ahh. |
| 20:01.20 | Zolden | here it works http://pastebin.com/ |
| 20:01.23 | Zolden | oops |
| 20:01.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, can't validate a caster that way. |
| 20:01.48 | JademusSreg | Can validate Target possibly. |
| 20:02.01 | Zolden | here it works http://pastebin.com/mEin9jn3 |
| 20:02.25 | Zolden | why can't validate caster? it's simple abil -> effect |
| 20:02.30 | JademusSreg | Ah. Yeah. |
| 20:03.01 | JademusSreg | Usually attachmodel is called from the host. =D |
| 20:04.15 | Dustin | I can't even watch this HOTS match, such trash |
| 20:04.39 | JademusSreg | Dustin, ??? |
| 20:05.05 | Dustin | The more I watch the 'gameplay' of HOTS the more I realize there isn't shit in the game |
| 20:05.21 | Dustin | It's all so stripped and slow and boring |
| 20:05.23 | rtschutter | are we talking about |
| 20:05.29 | Dustin | Heroes of the Storm |
| 20:05.29 | rtschutter | heroes of the storm or heart of the swarm |
| 20:05.31 | rtschutter | okay |
| 20:05.37 | JademusSreg | Elaborate? |
| 20:05.41 | rtschutter | there is gameplay going on right now? |
| 20:05.46 | Dustin | ya twitch |
| 20:06.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg can I do something to make it work? maybe something like term: at EffectTreeDescendant under create message? |
| 20:06.12 | Dustin | http://www.twitch.tv/BlizzHeroes |
| 20:06.44 | rtschutter | I don't like the mounts, and I don't like how the game seems more about neutral objectives than direct confrontation |
| 20:06.49 | rtschutter | but other than that it looks interesting to me |
| 20:07.57 | JademusSreg | Zol, effect terms may be useful, yes. |
| 20:08.07 | Dustin | The view is soo zoomed in it feels like crap and makes the crappy models stick out more as a game for 5 year olds. The art style isn't just cartoony, it's Child-Like, the gameplay is Bland as hell, you run to your lane and just spam abilities while walking around super slow |
| 20:08.31 | Bommes | I think mounts are a pretty interesting mechanic and they fit well with the objective based gameplay imo |
| 20:08.39 | Dustin | And every oncei n a while you get to pick 1 of 2 or 3 abilities to add, |
| 20:08.45 | Bommes | I just don't like them visually right now, they look kinda weird |
| 20:08.59 | Dustin | Kinda? they look down right retarded |
| 20:09.12 | Dustin | I hate the 'silly' skins too like the Murloc diablo and the nova on skates |
| 20:09.36 | Dustin | It's like they knew everything that would piss me off and put it in a game |
| 20:10.02 | Bommes | haha |
| 20:10.17 | Bommes | I like it, but hard to say anything without having played it |
| 20:10.39 | Bommes | I can't complain about the visuals though, I think it's badass |
| 20:10.44 | Dustin | Why havent you played it yet? |
| 20:10.44 | Bommes | apart from the horses |
| 20:10.50 | JademusSreg | The art style is broad strokes with attention to detail, quite effective, Blizzard does it best. |
| 20:11.04 | Dustin | The art style is so bad =. |
| 20:11.05 | Dustin | =/ |
| 20:11.07 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 20:11.13 | Dustin | I don't know why guys like MegaBloks |
| 20:11.18 | Bommes | what's the point of playing a stripped down tutorial alpha client map without opponents? |
| 20:11.42 | Dustin | You can feel how bad everything is setup so far |
| 20:11.48 | Bommes | maybe if they pay me I would do that |
| 20:12.37 | rtschutter | well the UI definitely needs some work |
| 20:12.51 | rtschutter | II applied for a UI gig on heroes though and they rejected me =( |
| 20:13.07 | Dustin | If any part of the game so far is final, they should feel ashamed |
| 20:13.32 | Bommes | I think we have to call the internet police |
| 20:13.38 | Bommes | Fockewulf stole Dustins account |
| 20:14.00 | Dustin | Hell naw |
| 20:14.21 | Dustin | I'm just getting pissed off with each new blizzard announcement |
| 20:14.34 | Dustin | They are letting me down slowly |
| 20:15.06 | JademusSreg | Dustin, THC. I suspect you've not had a sufficient dose. |
| 20:15.38 | Dustin | Yeah Im out, I need to fix that tonight |
| 20:16.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I figured. Never seen you this pissed about anything, even shit that warrants being pissed. |
| 20:17.01 | Dustin | Yeah Im usually pretty mellow :P something's got me in a rage today |
| 20:17.29 | Dustin | Gonna take the wife to work, be back in a bit |
| 20:25.27 | Zolden | JademusSreg tried at shit term, didn't help.... jsut can't believe that such a straightforward thing hides the caster from actor |
| 20:26.15 | JademusSreg | I'm busy, atm, but I can check my references for an example when I'm done. |
| 20:26.21 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:28.07 | JademusSreg | Though off the top of my head, there's the fly helper display, protoss shield, mothership warp in, shadow blob. Those may help in some way. |
| 20:28.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:32.52 | kingTD | hmm why actor even for upgrade doesnt work? :s |
| 20:32.59 | kingTD | event* |
| 20:37.36 | Zolden | kingTD ask on forum |
| 20:44.52 | kingTD | hmm, mb event that followed the creation of swap event removed it instantly :s |
| 20:47.39 | JademusSreg | (Few patches ago, some generic model actors received an event that prevent destruction on modelswap in case that's the cause for animation completion.) |
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| 20:49.33 | DeadZergling | I think today's comic was made just for JademusSreg: http://xkcd.com/ |
| 20:51.36 | kingTD | its just for general swap of model. problem may be in the long run that it wont change to previous model if upgrade is removed |
| 20:52.08 | kingTD | as that remove event seems like remove the add effect of event previously done instantly |
| 20:52.09 | JademusSreg | (I agree, Deadz.) |
| 20:56.24 | Zolden | crap, cat has strong jaws |
| 20:59.01 | Bommes | so, question to everyone, what is your upper bound for number of doodads placed? |
| 20:59.36 | Zolden | you mean in termas of not affecting perfomance? |
| 20:59.41 | Bommes | yeah |
| 21:00.00 | Bommes | does setting opacity to 0 save performance? It should, right? |
| 21:00.25 | JademusSreg | (No) |
| 21:01.12 | Bommes | do doodads off camera make the game slow? |
| 21:01.20 | Zolden | nope |
| 21:02.02 | Zolden | different doodads have different amount of polygons |
| 21:02.07 | Bommes | oh, but using a trigger to show/hide doodads should improve performance, right? |
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| 21:02.33 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 21:02.38 | Bommes | instaed of the opacity thing I mentioned |
| 21:02.51 | Bommes | *instead |
| 21:03.00 | Zolden | Bommes I think the only way to save perfomance is to destroy the actor |
| 21:03.17 | Zolden | ArcanePariah have a look pls http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/62794-actor-doesnt-see-caster/?unread |
| 21:04.22 | Bommes | but why would having a model with fewer polygons save performance when hiding the whole model doesn't |
| 21:04.29 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, is the model being attached to the caster or target? |
| 21:04.50 | Zolden | to the actor that calls attach message |
| 21:05.17 | Zolden | effect happens, actor got created (that actor is unrelated to anything) |
| 21:05.37 | Zolden | and that actor attaches the model to itself |
| 21:06.01 | ArcanePariah | Because in the first case, the actor (given the host is probably set to implicity) is created in the scope of the effect, so it will look for a host in th effect scope, and thus the target of the effect will be the location of the actor. If there isn't one, it probably is self destructing |
| 21:06.17 | ArcanePariah | So you need to change the host scope |
| 21:06.20 | kingTD | lol pokemon chat commands in HS stream :DDD |
| 21:06.22 | ArcanePariah | to caster |
| 21:06.43 | ArcanePariah | Unless you want the actor to be created in the scope of the target |
| 21:07.01 | ArcanePariah | In the 2nd case, it will create it in the caster scope (whichever unit is doing the ability) |
| 21:07.24 | Dustin | back |
| 21:07.35 | ArcanePariah | In any case, your validator is working fine, just the actor is not being created where you probably expect it |
| 21:08.16 | ArcanePariah | hey Dustin, how goes Smash TV? |
| 21:08.33 | Zolden | ArcanePariah ok, cahnged host to scope caster, didn't help. http://pastebin.com/Gm7EQPMT |
| 21:09.44 | Dustin | Going good, just ran into some issues with tracking resource trading so I gotta comeup with a system to hookinto the UI and do some shit |
| 21:10.21 | ArcanePariah | Ok, add the following: Make the Host - Actor to Actor Find, and set the Subject to _Unit |
| 21:10.48 | ArcanePariah | So it will look in the caster scope, and look for an actor of with alias of _Unit to be the host |
| 21:10.56 | Zolden | scope still caster? |
| 21:11.01 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 21:12.10 | Zolden | didn't work ;/ |
| 21:12.45 | ArcanePariah | Ok, revert everything so we start from the beginning. |
| 21:13.20 | ArcanePariah | Next question, the horizontalx model, do you have an actor to control it? |
| 21:13.30 | ArcanePariah | I see you are attaching a model, but not specifying an actor |
| 21:15.27 | ArcanePariah | When you attach a model, the attached model must also have an actor to control it, so you will need to specify an actor |
| 21:15.30 | Zolden | it doesn't have actor, only model |
| 21:15.40 | ArcanePariah | Everything must have an actor |
| 21:15.44 | ArcanePariah | Even attachments |
| 21:15.51 | Zolden | and it works (getting created at effect point) if there is no validator |
| 21:16.00 | ArcanePariah | Hmm |
| 21:16.01 | Zolden | well, model must be created as actor |
| 21:16.05 | ArcanePariah | Interesting |
| 21:16.25 | ArcanePariah | So if the validator is removed, the actor is properly created at the effect point on the target? |
| 21:16.30 | Zolden | oh, and when I have _unit at subjct or Caster, it is created, but not in effeect oint |
| 21:16.35 | Zolden | probably at 0, 0 |
| 21:17.34 | ArcanePariah | Can you paste me the validator/ |
| 21:17.35 | ArcanePariah | ? |
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| 21:20.20 | Zolden | validator is simple and works for the abil -> create actor http://pastebin.com/VYaSSv6Q |
| 21:20.50 | Goa | hmm truce announced in Ukraine |
| 21:21.09 | ArcanePariah | Thank god... not really interested in starting fucking world war 3... |
| 21:21.35 | Goa | wtf has Ukraine do with WW3? |
| 21:22.10 | ArcanePariah | Welp... what exactly stops Russia from "lending" military assistance to the Ukraine government? |
| 21:22.31 | ArcanePariah | Not something I would exactly put past Putin doing |
| 21:22.45 | ArcanePariah | And if he did, I doubt the US or Nato would just sit on their hands |
| 21:23.25 | Zolden | putin won't do nothing, ukrainians will explode in that case |
| 21:23.45 | Goa | Georgia, no ww3 happened |
| 21:23.50 | Zolden | nothing dangerous will happen for the world there |
| 21:24.19 | ArcanePariah | Georgia isn't a region agricultural and economic powerhouse... |
| 21:24.23 | ArcanePariah | regional* |
| 21:24.23 | Zolden | it will slowly burn until the despotic president and his gang leave |
| 21:24.39 | Goa | It is compared to Ukraine |
| 21:24.46 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, but much higher stakes |
| 21:24.52 | Goa | Ukraine is shit hole without any power |
| 21:25.09 | Zolden | as well as russia |
| 21:25.33 | Goa | which is kinda the reason why there are these protests |
| 21:25.49 | Zolden | oil and gas money weren't invested into the progress, they were stolen by corrupted beurocrats |
| 21:26.09 | ArcanePariah | Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression many eastern european countries would prefer greater ties to the EU, but Russia is in the habit of coercing them because Russia is the largest provider of coal and gas to them |
| 21:27.08 | ArcanePariah | At least that was impression I've gotten from various reading |
| 21:27.16 | Zolden | ArcanePariah easter europe is doing well, they are untied from russia, but ukraine is rather western russia |
| 21:27.22 | Goa | Zolden as I know Ukraine has no oil production and not much gas. |
| 21:28.06 | Zolden | yea, ukraine is heavily dependent on russia, but bigger problem is that its goverment ruined economics, industry, political system is raped in the mouth |
| 21:28.11 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, agreed, my understanding is that is the heart of the protests in Ukriane, the western part of the country is more EU leaning, the eastern part is more Russia leaning |
| 21:28.15 | Goa | yeah we central and eastern europe is making their own little unions in EU... |
| 21:29.04 | Zolden | ArcanePariah yes, but eu<->russia isn't the main issue. People are tired of overcorrupted goverment. |
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| 21:29.23 | Bounty | Peow |
| 21:30.14 | Zolden | ArcanePariah also, it's not west<->east, it's progressive intelligent ppl <-> conservative soviet minded ppl |
| 21:30.54 | Zolden | same kind of protests have been in russia, but russian ppl have more cash, so they didn't go to confront goverment with arms, and protests have been decayed |
| 21:31.06 | ArcanePariah | Mhmmm... so... would it be fair to say we are seeing a Ukrainian version of when the Soviet Union came apart? |
| 21:31.08 | Zolden | also, still can't make the actor see the caster |
| 21:31.29 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... |
| 21:32.25 | ArcanePariah | Ok, blunt question, why (from your point of view) is there so much corruption? |
| 21:32.50 | Zolden | ArcanePariah i'd rather say that soviet union way of ruling has been remade in russia, ukraine, other former ussr respublics. But people getting smarter. And now they are trying to switch from ancient ways to progressive european ways |
| 21:33.31 | ArcanePariah | So... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... protest? |
| 21:34.07 | ArcanePariah | That's good, that people are more informed and don't just roll over to this crap |
| 21:34.17 | ArcanePariah | Wish my country (US) had more spine... |
| 21:34.34 | Zolden | ArcanePariah so much corruption is becasue too many gas/oil, too many money, goverent should't be a wise and smart, it can do nothing and still have shitloads of money, so they do nothing, steal money, country is in the swamp, producing nothihng, but masses don't feel how close they all to ass, becasue all have some money from the gas export |
| 21:34.56 | Goa | corruption comes from the communism when it was the way doing everything... |
| 21:35.03 | Zolden | ukraine doesn't have so much money and people feel better how bad they are being governed |
| 21:35.38 | ArcanePariah | Ok... makes sense, doesn't matter if you are losing 50% to corruption if you still get tons of money to do everything... but not so much in Ukraine |
| 21:35.40 | Bounty | Did I step into a time machine before I went to bed? |
| 21:35.49 | Bounty | I seriously remember this conversation happening before I went to bed... |
| 21:36.13 | Zolden | Bounty we predicted that you're coming and created this conversation to make you feel comfortabnle |
| 21:36.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:36.25 | ArcanePariah | Well Bounty it kind of A) Affects people in this channel, Zolden and Goa aren't exactly far from this shit and B) It affects people around the world |
| 21:36.44 | Zolden | ArcanePariah yea, in russia only 5% of ppl understand what's happening, and it wasn't enough to push putin away |
| 21:36.51 | Bounty | I am aware of that ArcanePariah |
| 21:37.03 | Bounty | Gawd |
| 21:37.26 | Zolden | crap, i don't want to create 120 actors ;/ |
| 21:37.35 | Zolden | and probably 120 effects |
| 21:37.37 | Goa | Zolden did you sse the pussy riot in sochi? |
| 21:38.01 | Zolden | Goa yea, jsut watched the vid how they have been beaten by those retards |
| 21:38.03 | ArcanePariah | And Zolden, your observations is super true, here in the US we tolerate corruption (lobbying) because despite more people being in poverty, being poor isn't half bad here |
| 21:38.46 | ArcanePariah | But... I doubt it will continue forever, simply because here in the US, most of the conservative rich assholes are old, and dying |
| 21:38.52 | Goa | revolution have hard correlation with starvation.... |
| 21:39.15 | ArcanePariah | Mmmhmm, especially if you don't feed your military, that really tends to end badly |
| 21:39.22 | Zolden | ArcanePariah in US goverment is way smarter, because all social institutes are working, and there is a feedback: if you suck, you get banned away from the power |
| 21:39.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:39.51 | Bounty | That is not how it works Zolden |
| 21:39.52 | ArcanePariah | True Zolden, to a degree |
| 21:39.55 | Dustin | unless you have enough money to buy the votes |
| 21:39.59 | Dustin | Then it doesnt matter :P |
| 21:40.09 | Bounty | That is true for the President, but not the congressmen and senators Zolden |
| 21:40.18 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... though it is nowhere near as bad as Russia or Ukraine |
| 21:40.39 | Zolden | in russia courts are puppets - do waht they being said to do by goverment, media are puppets - do what they being said by goverment, elections are completely cheated... so goverment has no risk of being banned |
| 21:41.09 | ArcanePariah | Here in the US they have to hide it, or be at least somewhat discreet, and there is actual chance of power being changed (See Tea Party, not a steller example but an example) |
| 21:42.26 | ArcanePariah | I'm mostly disturbed by that report that came out a week or so ago, where the top 100 people in the world have more wealth then the bottom 50% of the world... fucking insanity... |
| 21:42.29 | Zolden | and results of how well US goverment and social institutes work is its strong economy and freedom |
| 21:42.38 | DeadZergling | really Zolden? if you suck you get banned away from power in the US? |
| 21:42.47 | DeadZergling | Got a glaring example of that not happening, OBAMA |
| 21:42.57 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, sadly, the US is sliding toward Russian style oligarchy |
| 21:43.03 | Bounty | Politicians are setup to be bribed by those people as well ArcanePariah lol |
| 21:43.04 | Bounty | Sadly |
| 21:43.13 | ArcanePariah | Right now the wealth disparity in the US is about the same as in russian |
| 21:43.25 | Bounty | Is it really? |
| 21:43.44 | ArcanePariah | Just about. Let me go dig up the report I read |
| 21:44.15 | ArcanePariah | http://www.motherjones.com/files/outofbalance.jpg |
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| 21:44.25 | Zolden | mostly I know US from movies and books, and some news and global world economical statistics, and everything says that US is perfectly organised, even though it has some problems, but there is the greatest thing of any control - the feedback, and it allows to fix problems |
| 21:44.40 | ArcanePariah | So yeah, 60% population have a grand total of like 1% of the wealth |
| 21:44.44 | DeadZergling | I wouldn't trust Obama to take my order at a restaurant, let alone run the country, yet he stays in power just fine |
| 21:44.54 | Bounty | That bottom chart looks nice ArcanePariah lol |
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| 21:45.27 | Bounty | Because people actually think the President matters DeadZergling >.< |
| 21:45.33 | Zolden | well, yea, the matter of money is self amplifying |
| 21:45.41 | Zolden | the more money you have, the more money you have |
| 21:45.46 | Obscenity | If it talks like a duck, and walks like a duck, than you need to shoot dat lyin som bitch goose |
| 21:45.46 | Zolden | it's how economics work |
| 21:45.56 | DeadZergling | hi TW |
| 21:46.00 | Obscenity | hi |
| 21:46.03 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:46.05 | Obscenity | you get that model? |
| 21:46.12 | DeadZergling | yea, Z got it for me |
| 21:46.14 | Zolden | join our obama discussion tainted |
| 21:46.15 | Obscenity | kk |
| 21:46.21 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, yes, it does, and for the most it does work. From my observation, because the United States does NOT have an established defined culture, we are more flexible and change. Many countries are fairly homogenous culturally/ethinically, so they tend to be more rigid. Consequently they tend to be more stable then the US, but suddent changes tends to snap them |
| 21:46.32 | DeadZergling | too bad there isn't a kerrigan ghost with 2 CC upgrades |
| 21:46.47 | Zolden | ArcanePariah yeah |
| 21:46.51 | Obscenity | OBama is... just another crappy politician who was only elected because of his race/bad competition. Not much to talk about just another crappy individual with his hands in more pockets than I can count |
| 21:47.01 | Obscenity | sooo same as every president for the past 100 years |
| 21:47.09 | Zolden | ArcanePariah US seems to evolve without the burden of conservation other countries have |
| 21:47.15 | Obscenity | there discussion over |
| 21:47.47 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, yes, also I find that Winston Churchill had an excellent point about the US: "You can count on the Americans to do the right thing... after they have tried everything else" |
| 21:47.53 | DeadZergling | yea, only Obama is almost a worse Fuhrer than OBounty |
| 21:47.55 | Obscenity | America is ruled by corporations, and if we dont pay close attention we will become like japan, where we work 100 hour work weeks :/ |
| 21:48.06 | Bounty | US does have a culture ArcanePariah and it is the culture of pride lol |
| 21:48.08 | Goa | ArcanePariah yeah thats a good quote:) |
| 21:48.50 | DeadZergling | No one Fuhrers harder than OBounty though |
| 21:48.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:49.10 | ArcanePariah | Bounty, our culture is ever shifting. Less then 100 years ago, the idea of a catholic being elected president was unthinkable. 50 years ago, an African American even running for president would have been laughed at |
| 21:49.11 | Bounty | Fuhrer as a verb, nice |
| 21:49.22 | Obscenity | There is no worse or better. The american political system is set-up so that the only people who can get ahead in the politics game are the worst possible people. so we will never have any good represenatives until we cleanse them all along with all of their campaign contributers, lobbist, and compaign managers. Only than can we have a decent election. |
| 21:49.40 | ArcanePariah | Obscenity, unlikely, there are other factors |
| 21:49.54 | ArcanePariah | Namely our system favors 2 parties mathematically |
| 21:50.00 | Obscenity | Yes, true, but the ones I mentioned are the main ones. |
| 21:50.03 | ArcanePariah | Or 2 factions, to be more precise |
| 21:50.19 | DeadZergling | dunno about the second part, but I'd agree that people who would make good representatives can rarely make it that far |
| 21:50.25 | DeadZergling | is always the well funded garbage instead |
| 21:50.34 | ArcanePariah | And yes, we could examine the trade off of new people with fresh ideas vs experienced indivuduals |
| 21:50.37 | Obscenity | All Political parties should be abolished. But there can be a good election with parties, but the parties must first be cleansed of all evil. |
| 21:50.47 | ArcanePariah | Define evil please |
| 21:50.54 | Bounty | oh come on |
| 21:50.59 | Bounty | You know what the hell evil means |
| 21:51.03 | Bounty | and what he is talking about |
| 21:51.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:51.10 | DeadZergling | lol, no people don't |
| 21:51.21 | ArcanePariah | *Shrug* Some people think our current president is pure evil, equilvalent to Hitler? |
| 21:51.23 | Bounty | hes talking about corruption |
| 21:51.36 | Obscenity | Another thing we could do is force political opponents to only campaign under oath. So that if they "Promise" something it would be legally binding that they would have to at-least to an extent try. |
| 21:51.53 | DeadZergling | have a save the poor animals commercial, followed by a planned parenthood commercial, and people want to save the animals and think PP is an awesome thing |
| 21:51.57 | Obscenity | When I say evil I just mean bad people/corrupted individuals, Evil is just easier to say. |
| 21:52.03 | DeadZergling | US as a whole has no clue what evil is |
| 21:52.03 | ArcanePariah | Obscenity, you are looking for absolutes, which our system by DESIGN is meant to prevent |
| 21:52.21 | Obscenity | Never said the system was perfect. |
| 21:52.22 | Bounty | The only way a President could guarantee he can get everything he promises done is if there was no congress/senate |
| 21:52.26 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 21:52.41 | Obscenity | Thats why I said TRY... not do. |
| 21:52.44 | ArcanePariah | Our system by design was made to be so any individual couldn't promise shit |
| 21:52.52 | ArcanePariah | Ok, define try? |
| 21:52.58 | Bounty | Obama is trying |
| 21:52.59 | ArcanePariah | Is it good enough to bring it up in commmittee? |
| 21:53.00 | Obscenity | Try just means that you put forth SOME effort towards the goal, it doesn't mean that you actually accomplish it. |
| 21:53.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:53.10 | ArcanePariah | Good enough to get a vote by congrss? |
| 21:53.13 | Obscenity | Obama is trying to do the opposite of everything he has claimed he would do. |
| 21:53.41 | Obscenity | yes just bringing it to a commitie, writing a bill for it, getting it to a vote. thats all I ask |
| 21:53.53 | Obscenity | do SOMETHING when you say you are going to do something.... |
| 21:54.01 | Bounty | I think the best solution would do what state governments do with things that all of the people want done and the politicians dont do it. They take it to a state vote by the people and if it wins the peoples get it gets passed |
| 21:54.04 | Zolden | is there an effect that would remove 1 level of upgrade for a player? |
| 21:54.07 | Bounty | They just did that in NJ |
| 21:54.12 | Bounty | With the minimum wage |
| 21:54.19 | Bounty | Took it to a state vote |
| 21:54.21 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, in data, no, you need to use triggers for that |
| 21:54.26 | Zolden | ok |
| 21:54.27 | Zolden | i'll use |
| 21:54.38 | ArcanePariah | Just use set upgrade level = current upgrade level -1 |
| 21:54.43 | Zolden | i'll use upgrades instead of behaviors on caster, and will validater player |
| 21:54.45 | Obscenity | Zolden it depends on what you mean by upgrade? in short answer... yes.. in longer answer.. somewhat |
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| 21:54.55 | Obscenity | No you can do it in data arcane |
| 21:55.02 | mille25 | Hello! |
| 21:55.07 | ArcanePariah | Sup mille25 |
| 21:55.16 | mille25 | 8d |
| 21:55.20 | Obscenity | I would need more specific information to enlighten you zolden :P |
| 21:55.26 | mille25 | *8D :D |
| 21:55.28 | Obscenity | Kifflom! |
| 21:55.30 | ArcanePariah | Obscenity, remove? I know you can cancel it out, but that still counts as a level |
| 21:55.35 | Zolden | fuck, it feels good when you find another way of solving a problem! |
| 21:55.56 | Obscenity | on a technical scale, yes it would just be cancelling it out, but the GUI would reflect that it has been infact removed. |
| 21:55.58 | Zolden | fuck it, creative mind, it's your universe to solve shit! |
| 21:56.25 | ArcanePariah | Obscenity, that does work, however you will still have issues, doesn't upgrades past a certain point blow up? |
| 21:56.42 | Obscenity | What you mean? |
| 21:57.01 | ArcanePariah | I was under the impression applying more the 255 levels to an upgrade would cause performance issues |
| 21:57.10 | Obscenity | do you mean that it wont allow the upgrades to go to a certain point |
| 21:57.20 | Obscenity | ? |
| 21:57.54 | ArcanePariah | Afaik, upgrades are unbounded, you can do as many levels as you wish, but I did read in the past that performance suffered once you got beyond 255 levels ofa given upgrade |
| 21:57.54 | Obscenity | You can use the number that the GUI uses to make a requirement so that the faked max number controls how high you can upgrade. |
| 21:58.23 | Obscenity | oh, zolden do you have over 255 levels of an upgrade? |
| 21:58.58 | Obscenity | you can also make an upgrade launch an effect if I recall |
| 21:59.47 | Zolden | Obscenity i only need 20 |
| 22:00.01 | Obscenity | So what you could do, hypothetically, is make a validator so that it checks if there is a behavior that removes 1 upgrades and if so launch an effect that removes that behavior instead of launching the upgrade. |
| 22:00.04 | Zolden | Obscenity have you seen my physics vids? |
| 22:00.08 | Obscenity | for over 255 |
| 22:00.16 | Obscenity | I watched the one with the PiP but I dont think that was physics |
| 22:00.45 | Zolden | Obscenity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssippjBLTNE |
| 22:00.59 | Zolden | and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFX0ys7xEA |
| 22:01.05 | Obscenity | lol |
| 22:01.39 | Obscenity | lol i am guessing thes wouldn't work on lower settings |
| 22:02.24 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:03.57 | mille25 | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3773-Character-Level-Boost-to-90-priced-at-60 |
| 22:04.04 | mille25 | $60, holy shit :D |
| 22:04.05 | Obscenity | yeah lol |
| 22:04.21 | ArcanePariah | Acutally it will attempt it I believe, since the physics settings are used in actor terms, same with GPU settings |
| 22:04.36 | Obscenity | I dont care that game is a ripoff anyways :/ even though I really like the leveling path and even some of the endgame. 15 a month :/ heavy in the pocket. |
| 22:04.41 | ArcanePariah | So the game will probably do the physics on lower settings, but will kill computers in the process :D |
| 22:05.05 | mille25 | I think its quite absurd in general to pay for skipping parts of the game. |
| 22:05.08 | mille25 | This is just wrong. |
| 22:05.11 | Obscenity | Been messing around with the Leaked Alpha Client of Heroes of the storm :P |
| 22:05.15 | Obscenity | Pretty fun stuff |
| 22:05.26 | Obscenity | I love the aesthetic direction. |
| 22:06.04 | DeadZergling | lol, guess what I been doing Obscenity |
| 22:06.11 | Obscenity | ? |
| 22:06.27 | DeadZergling | got a female friend to record audio files for the project i'm entering in the contest |
| 22:06.33 | ArcanePariah | mille25, if people are willing to pay to skip past parts of a game, that indicates 2 things: 1) The early gameplay is boring enough to be skipped and 2) That people value their time elsewhere (work) over the time spent in that section f the game |
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| 22:06.55 | mille25 | Its still a weird concept though. |
| 22:07.02 | DeadZergling | listening to the unedited versions is absolutely hilarious |
| 22:07.05 | mille25 | And yes, quests where always the weakness of WoW. |
| 22:07.21 | mille25 | But belive it or not, i enjoyed grinding a couple years back. |
| 22:07.23 | ArcanePariah | mille25, we all do precisely that, just usually no in our entertainment. |
| 22:07.28 | Obscenity | lol |
| 22:07.28 | ArcanePariah | not* |
| 22:07.37 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:07.41 | Obscenity | I didn;t know you had friends. That is the real surprise here |
| 22:07.49 | ArcanePariah | If you bought any kind of appliance, you are exchanging money for time |
| 22:07.51 | DeadZergling | like one of the sounds I requested was 'woohoo' |
| 22:07.54 | Obscenity | I thought you were a figment of my imagination similar to jademussreg |
| 22:08.01 | mille25 | I still wish WoW finally died. I played it for years, but its time for Blizzard to move on and get creative again. Doing smth new. :) |
| 22:08.03 | DeadZergling | so I got 20 seconds of her yelling woohoo in different ways, lol |
| 22:08.05 | ArcanePariah | I COULD clean all my clothes by hand |
| 22:08.10 | Obscenity | lol |
| 22:08.12 | ArcanePariah | but.. would take all day |
| 22:08.14 | JademusSreg | Hallo Taint. |
| 22:08.17 | ArcanePariah | so I buy a washing machine |
| 22:08.35 | mille25 | True, but a game is not supposed to be annoying work, its supposed to be FUN. :D |
| 22:08.39 | DeadZergling | just hope my wife never hears me working on my audio files |
| 22:08.45 | Obscenity | Hi robit. |
| 22:08.53 | ArcanePariah | True, but fun is easily one of the most subjective things out there |
| 22:09.08 | DeadZergling | what a fun conversation that'd be, explaining why I have sound files of some other woman yelling yes and woo, and why I need to listen to them |
| 22:09.14 | JademusSreg | Wat's the discussion? |
| 22:09.16 | ArcanePariah | ahahah |
| 22:09.19 | mille25 | Well, its still weird to buy a game, then guy for skipping a large part of it, and then move on and pay monthly fees. |
| 22:09.20 | Obscenity | Porn mostly. |
| 22:09.27 | mille25 | *pay |
| 22:09.40 | JademusSreg | Why would you buy a guy? |
| 22:09.44 | ArcanePariah | A number of things JademusSreg, we discussed Ukraine, American politics, physics in SC2, and now pay to skip in games |
| 22:09.47 | mille25 | I'm slightly drunk guys. |
| 22:09.51 | mille25 | Just to note this. :D |
| 22:09.56 | Obscenity | I really should start using tags :/ It has come to my attention that as I talk to peopl ein multiple conversations people get confused :/ |
| 22:09.57 | ArcanePariah | Execellent |
| 22:09.57 | DeadZergling | yes, it is disturbingly easy to turn a few voice recordings into porn sound clips |
| 22:10.27 | Obscenity | @jademusSreg, what yo bitchass workin on? |
| 22:10.29 | ArcanePariah | so mille25, since you are drunk, you can tell us what your choice of drunkness inducement was |
| 22:10.35 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 22:10.37 | Obscenity | Gotta speek in ebonics to confuse the robit |
| 22:10.51 | JademusSreg | To the first two, I'll copypasta what I wrote previously. |
| 22:10.56 | JademusSreg | "Two observations. (1) All human organizations are corruptable, and inevitably corrupted; sustaining the organization becomes an all-consuming purpose, as a successful organization bestows success to those who operate it, those who, in turn, serve their interests by consolidating the organization's power to mutual benefit. (2) The disenfranchised ever endeavour to usurp the power of those |
| 22:10.57 | JademusSreg | who exploit them and, in the gratuitous excesses of their success, inherit the exploitation that fueled their adversaries." |
| 22:11.06 | mille25 | Yes. German beer and several shots. :D |
| 22:12.31 | ArcanePariah | Ahh good |
| 22:12.49 | Obscenity | I believe the reason human organizations are so easily corruptible is because they are all based on older organizations which had already became corrupted. |
| 22:12.51 | JademusSreg | Physics in SC2: Aesthetic or a bunch of code. Or program all the game logic via actors, dear all-consuming void. |
| 22:13.18 | ArcanePariah | And yes JademusSreg I have also noted that, many organizations started with good purpose, but have never taken the necessary final step that any organization should and must do: disband |
| 22:13.26 | JademusSreg | Taint, working on PCVD. |
| 22:13.37 | Obscenity | What is PCVD? |
| 22:13.40 | ArcanePariah | And consequently they usually turn into corrupt or extremists groups |
| 22:14.00 | JademusSreg | Not Porcine CinoViral Disease, that's for sure. |
| 22:14.16 | Obscenity | Hmm Iw as going to make up something but could only come up with genitalia |
| 22:14.34 | ArcanePariah | For example, MADD, I believe they have succeeded, in that drunk driving accidents are now no longer a major cause of accidents. However the continue to campaign, and give the impression they seek Prohibition all over |
| 22:15.04 | ArcanePariah | Which leads to them now being seen as a mostly fringe group and discredited. Also see many environmentalist groups |
| 22:15.34 | Obscenity | NAACP, KKK, And several others that are now known as hate groups/cults are all in the same catagory as well. |
| 22:15.59 | ArcanePariah | Yes, many of the Asian "gangs" were originally created to help the poor (Yakuza, Triad) |
| 22:16.19 | ArcanePariah | But now are criminal syndicates more intersted in profit then aynthing else |
| 22:16.41 | Obscenity | KKK started out as a program to protect the widows of fallen confederate soldiers who were being raped, killed, and kidnapped by renegade union soldiers. Oh how that one fail |
| 22:16.49 | Obscenity | fell* |
| 22:17.02 | ArcanePariah | Indeed, now they are just another neo Nazi group |
| 22:17.17 | Obscenity | pretty much :/ |
| 22:17.31 | Obscenity | their own leader left them because what they became |
| 22:17.47 | Obscenity | Nathan B forrest |
| 22:17.57 | ArcanePariah | That usually is the biggest sign a group has morphed beyond their original purpose, when the founders leave |
| 22:18.46 | Obscenity | Pretty much, unless it's the NAACP their founders are still there reaping constant profits from race mongering, I suspect in 10-25 years they will be in the same ilk as the klan |
| 22:19.11 | Obscenity | people are already getting tired of their constant shit. of all races |
| 22:20.21 | Obscenity | Now for the important thing... The last of us DLC sucked... |
| 22:20.56 | JademusSreg | Apoptosis, programmed cell death, is the mechanism by which damaged, aberrant, or otherwise unneeded cells are destroyed to benefit their organism. This process tends to destroy potentially malignant cells, a mechanism vital to preventing rampant cancerous cell division. |
| 22:20.58 | Obscenity | Kinda pissed me off. The only redeeming thing was that it was written by a junior team of writers. |
| 22:21.21 | Obscenity | Sharks are 100% cancerous |
| 22:21.29 | Obscenity | when you eat shark you are eating cancer :P |
| 22:21.36 | Obscenity | same with lobster |
| 22:21.54 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, I would say our society right now has such an issue with failure, an adversion, that such apoptosis does not take place at a social level |
| 22:21.55 | Obscenity | Well kinda like cancer, not really cancer. but both are immortal cells |
| 22:22.29 | *** part/#sc2mapster Goa (~hookah604@91.83.140.1) |
| 22:22.34 | JademusSreg | Merely noting a biological analogue. |
| 22:22.35 | ArcanePariah | On another note, I wish the Data Navigator showed links to Event Macros |
| 22:22.37 | Obscenity | Our society is a Utopia that people are constantly trying ot fuckup |
| 22:22.57 | JademusSreg | Herostorm adds runnable event macros. =D |
| 22:23.02 | ArcanePariah | *Chuckles* I hope we never arrive at a Utopia |
| 22:23.06 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, what? |
| 22:23.10 | Obscenity | we have unlimted food, water, sex, power(even if it is on a smaller scale), etc. and than theres these assholes who constantly want to overreach to fuck it up |
| 22:23.20 | Obscenity | Looking at mr sen McCain |
| 22:23.36 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, you mean you can add actor events to actors at run time? |
| 22:23.49 | ArcanePariah | Via Event Macros? |
| 22:24.05 | JademusSreg | Was in the string dump topic. =D |
| 22:24.06 | Obscenity | Anyone crack the heroes of the storm MPQ archive file yet? |
| 22:24.19 | Obscenity | I tried a simple extension re-name... failed just like I thought it would |
| 22:24.21 | ArcanePariah | Obscenity, if it is encrypted, it will not be crackable, ever |
| 22:24.29 | ArcanePariah | Since we don't have the key |
| 22:24.29 | Bommes | Jade, your hypothetical speculations about what is new in Herostorm are very interesting. |
| 22:24.30 | Bommes | Give us more. |
| 22:24.37 | Obscenity | it did work in Sc1 though :P |
| 22:24.41 | JademusSreg | Not hypothetical. |
| 22:24.48 | Bommes | ah |
| 22:24.53 | Bommes | I thought it's from your hypothetical source |
| 22:24.57 | ArcanePariah | Obscenity, they didn't properly employ encryption back then |
| 22:25.01 | Obscenity | Most encrytions are eventually cracked :P |
| 22:25.04 | JademusSreg | Bom: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/62536-heroes-of-the-storm-string-dump/ |
| 22:25.10 | ArcanePariah | DRM yes, encryption no |
| 22:25.25 | ArcanePariah | DRM is fundamentally flawed since you must provide the key to the attacker |
| 22:25.34 | ArcanePariah | But proper encryption can not be defeated directly |
| 22:25.34 | Obscenity | I doubt the encryption will stay, Blizzard has always showed signs of being happy to share resources between their games AFTER they come out. not before though. |
| 22:25.49 | ArcanePariah | Yes, well, that is indeed the case |
| 22:25.51 | Obscenity | With some luck the Heroes models will get an official mod(without values or anything) so we can grab the models |
| 22:26.08 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard encrypts it all to allow preloading, and there is no way to defeat that |
| 22:26.16 | JademusSreg | SActorMsgEventMacroRun |
| 22:26.25 | Obscenity | SActorYourMother |
| 22:26.31 | Obscenity | wonder what that one does |
| 22:26.45 | JademusSreg | If you knew what EventMacros were, you'd know. =D |
| 22:27.37 | Obscenity | lol |
| 22:27.38 | Bommes | it's definitely a big improvement in terms of usability of actor events |
| 22:27.42 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I gotta start writing a few... I think that is another thing that is not used enough in custom maps, because once again, they are abstract, basically the data equilvalent of a library file |
| 22:27.44 | JademusSreg | Suppose I could determine which actor messages/terms are new, but I'd deprive Arc or someone of that pleasure. |
| 22:27.55 | Obscenity | I still say its a HUGE improvent for quad core computing. |
| 22:28.15 | Bommes | I wish they add some more functionality to the GUI of actor events though, maybe allow to swap positions around and stuff like that. |
| 22:28.20 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 22:28.24 | ArcanePariah | Very much so |
| 22:28.41 | JademusSreg | Taint is a veritable fountain of nonsense. I look forward to whatever inane argument he provokes. |
| 22:29.08 | ArcanePariah | The thing that REALLY ought to be leveraged (uggh buzz words) is the fact that event macros can be nested |
| 22:29.09 | Obscenity | ? |
| 22:29.29 | Obscenity | what argument, it's not really an argument its more of a statement. |
| 22:29.29 | ArcanePariah | Since Event Macros can included in Event Macros |
| 22:30.55 | Obscenity | Now if any of this was actually useful information :) |
| 22:31.09 | Obscenity | 85.2% :/ |
| 22:33.15 | Obscenity | Jademus if I am, indeed, the fountain of nonsense. Than you would have to be the fountain of unessential information. |
| 22:33.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:33.41 | mille25 | =D |
| 22:34.02 | JademusSreg | Utility is relative to the problem context. |
| 22:34.23 | Obscenity | When there is no context for their to be a problem all information is unessential :) |
| 22:34.27 | mille25 | Damn, I wish there was a way to show the trigger debug window while watching replays. Would make it so much easier to identify reported bugs. :( |
| 22:34.58 | JademusSreg | Unless you mean instead the information I provide is a rhetorical counterposition to Essentialism. |
| 22:35.02 | Obscenity | And when all information is unessential, all information becomes nonsense in it's own right |
| 22:35.32 | JademusSreg | mille, tried running test map, ending game, not closing the client, logging in to bnet? |
| 22:35.47 | mille25 | No not yet. Did that work in the past? |
| 22:35.50 | Obscenity | Smoke..... |
| 22:36.00 | Obscenity | Smoke..... |
| 22:36.08 | JademusSreg | I use it to run the debugger when playing bnet maps, so I imagine it works on replays. |
| 22:36.11 | Obscenity | Are ya smokin yet! |
| 22:36.40 | mille25 | Hm... Another question would be if the debugger shows trigger errors. I also have an issue where the debugger just refuses to show erros in multiplayer. |
| 22:37.09 | JademusSreg | Imagine it could, not certain. |
| 22:37.18 | mille25 | The problem is, alot of the reported bugs have to do with the thread terminating due to some sort of trigger error. But finding this error without debugger is nearly impossible since its thounsands of lines of code. :/ |
| 22:37.37 | mille25 | And it just happens once every 1000 times or some shit. |
| 22:37.39 | mille25 | It sucks. |
| 22:38.40 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 22:38.51 | JademusSreg | And you don't know which thread? |
| 22:38.55 | mille25 | I know. |
| 22:39.04 | mille25 | But every thread in SCU calls countless, non threaded subfunctions |
| 22:39.11 | mille25 | And any error within them terminates the master. |
| 22:39.21 | jademusSregular | There it goes |
| 22:39.23 | jademusSregular | lol |
| 22:39.38 | Zolden | okk, after 14 hours of mapmaking managed to make a minimally working prototype |
| 22:39.53 | JademusSreg | Error code? |
| 22:40.04 | JademusSreg | Not popping in game, yeah? |
| 22:40.11 | mille25 | No, its a release version. |
| 22:40.14 | mille25 | Got zero information. |
| 22:40.17 | mille25 | Just a replay |
| 22:40.24 | mille25 | And the bug does not happen if i jump into the replay |
| 22:40.28 | mille25 | like 1 second earlier |
| 22:41.03 | mille25 | I know its about 5 lines of code in the master thread which may be the cause, but those call so many subfunctions that it easily gets 1000+ lines D: |
| 22:42.04 | JademusSreg | Hope you can get the debugger working. =D |
| 22:42.08 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:42.15 | mille25 | Will try tomorrow. |
| 22:42.37 | mille25 | It would also be very helpful to make a performance analysis of script after a 4 hour+ replay. :) |
| 22:43.09 | JademusSreg | As I recall, galaxy functions tend to perform worse over time. |
| 22:43.16 | mille25 | Oh really? |
| 22:43.36 | mille25 | SCU has a big problem |
| 22:43.38 | JademusSreg | Either that, or it converges on the worst possible performance time. |
| 22:43.50 | mille25 | It has a couple of things which have O^2 complexity, where O is player count. |
| 22:44.12 | JademusSreg | By which I mean each execution improves the accuracy of the debugger's worst time stat/ |
| 22:44.30 | mille25 | If we ever want to go over 5 players id need to find better ways of coding those pieces to linear complexity. |
| 22:44.38 | JademusSreg | O(n^2) |
| 22:44.40 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:44.43 | mille25 | Right. |
| 22:44.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:45.16 | mille25 | A typical example is the minimap. |
| 22:45.37 | mille25 | It needs to update for every player, but it also needs to update more positions if there are more players. |
| 22:45.59 | JademusSreg | Why? |
| 22:46.12 | mille25 | The minimal shows the position of every player + his facing. |
| 22:46.15 | mille25 | *minimap |
| 22:46.34 | JademusSreg | Is this an issue of dialog control instance per player? |
| 22:46.41 | mille25 | So for example, in singleplayer, it just calculates the position and facing of 1 player, and updates the UI for one player. |
| 22:47.18 | mille25 | Yeah sort of. Might have to recode the minimap to use panels or some shit to just update it globally. |
| 22:47.39 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I'd say use a large frame inside a small frame. |
| 22:47.43 | mille25 | I still noticed that changing a dialog item for more players (natively) takes longer. |
| 22:47.45 | JademusSreg | Clips the excess automagically. |
| 22:48.07 | mille25 | for example, changing dialog item text for all active players takes longer than just changing it for player 1. |
| 22:48.45 | JademusSreg | Just making sure you're not creating an instance per player needlessly. |
| 22:48.47 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:49.05 | mille25 | Recoding the entire UI to panels would kill me. :D |
| 22:49.37 | JademusSreg | Which is why I preach good practice principles, so people can avoid such awful refactoring. |
| 22:49.56 | mille25 | Right. |
| 22:49.59 | mille25 | Sadly its too late now .:D |
| 22:50.08 | JademusSreg | Dooooomed. |
| 22:50.19 | mille25 | But to be completely honest with you, i think its not that much of a big deal. |
| 22:50.28 | mille25 | Takes a bit more memory and takes slightly longer to init. |
| 22:50.33 | mille25 | But its not killing it. |
| 22:50.42 | JademusSreg | Yep. But it adds up. =D |
| 22:50.57 | mille25 | Biggest performance killer is still terrain and effects. |
| 22:51.15 | mille25 | Didnt have any real lag issues since i removed mouse moved event. :D |
| 22:51.28 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 22:51.40 | mille25 | And dude. |
| 22:51.50 | mille25 | Its a challenge to explain the artists and terrainers not to overdo it. |
| 22:52.26 | mille25 | Especially since Ryan and I upgraded our machines. |
| 22:52.34 | mille25 | Its like "Well i have 200FPS so what?!" |
| 22:53.07 | mille25 | "Well... that doesnt mean everyone can play at those framerates" |
| 22:53.53 | mille25 | God I dont even want to think about when we get new terrainers. |
| 22:53.57 | Bounty | You kinda have to overdo it if you're doing a third person MMO lol |
| 22:53.59 | mille25 | Have to do all those explanation shit again :D |
| 22:54.02 | Bounty | in terms of graphics |
| 22:54.17 | mille25 | We have to find a good balance, yes. |
| 22:55.09 | JademusSreg | Don't need terrainers. Need level designers. |
| 22:55.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg http://i.snag.gy/8QNMX.jpg |
| 22:55.21 | Zolden | still primitive, but already allowing to build stuff |
| 22:56.20 | mille25 | Guys - I have an important annoucement to maek. |
| 22:56.34 | JademusSreg | People who call themselves terrainers focus on environmental porn, aesthetics at the expense of function. Can't trust 'em to make anything playable, because their specialty is masturbatory. |
| 22:57.03 | mille25 | Need to shit. |
| 22:57.11 | mille25 | brb |
| 22:57.54 | Bommes | mmh |
| 22:57.55 | Bounty | Terrain folk typically never make anything playable |
| 22:57.55 | JademusSreg | Beautiful, Zol. |
| 22:57.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:58.02 | Bommes | there isn't much level design in SC:U though, is there? |
| 22:58.15 | Bounty | I would hope there is... |
| 22:58.27 | Bounty | 80k and its just a bunch of terrainers expressing themselves? |
| 22:58.31 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:59.03 | JademusSreg | Criticize, don't demean. |
| 22:59.36 | Bounty | I swear, I heard someones voice in my head say that as soon as you typed it |
| 22:59.40 | Bommes | I mean the terrain looks great, but the levels are usually these square scenario type missions, right? Or did I just not play far enough into it to see all the level design? ^^ |
| 22:59.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:00.35 | Bommes | Jade is becoming one with the IRC channel, he is actually acquiring psychic powers and communicating telepathically. |
| 23:00.50 | Bounty | That is what I thought |
| 23:02.17 | mille25 | Back. |
| 23:03.01 | mille25 | Bounty: The current PTR doesnt really have any sort of level design since its just a testing ground, but Chronicles of Fate has quite some. :D |
