| 00:01.48 | A1win | it goes fine, been on a break for a few days but gor a clear idea what to do next |
| 00:01.54 | A1win | *got |
| 00:02.13 | Bounty | Planets still have no color? :) |
| 00:02.49 | A1win | naw |
| 00:03.10 | Bounty | naw they have no color or not they do |
| 00:03.39 | A1win | not yet |
| 00:06.45 | A1win | I do have someone working on them but on a very tight schedule, so it might be a while |
| 00:07.06 | Bounty | gotcha |
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| 00:38.41 | Kenoli | That delay is like the dumbest thing they've ever done |
| 00:38.56 | Kenoli | Twitch, that is. |
| 01:17.53 | Bounty | Does twitch force a delay Kenoli or is it based off of the streamers upload? |
| 01:18.32 | Kenoli | All streams have a 60s delay at least |
| 01:19.57 | Bounty | Really? Is that new? Because I never noticed any delays that huge. |
| 01:20.48 | Kenoli | How would you? |
| 01:21.22 | Kenoli | The problem is if the streamer wants to interact with the audience |
| 01:21.51 | Kenoli | I suppose most streams don't do that |
| 01:22.18 | Bounty | I noticed it because the only streams I ever watched interacted with the audience |
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| 02:10.28 | pirate | how to make zurvan lightning beam ability work? |
| 02:11.01 | pirate | since it wants to use some global zurvan reference |
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| 02:18.11 | paynis | hi all |
| 02:18.13 | paynis | I have a question |
| 02:18.28 | Bounty | *points south* |
| 02:18.31 | paynis | I only have WoL, but am working on a map production with some HotS guys |
| 02:18.33 | Bounty | The vagina is thataway |
| 02:18.45 | paynis | The dependencies make the whole project not work for me, basically... |
| 02:18.57 | paynis | is there a way for me to download the dependencies locally to work with my partners? |
| 02:19.02 | Bounty | That is news to me paynis |
| 02:19.24 | Bounty | I would have thought all assets would be create to map makers since its all free on the arcade |
| 02:19.35 | Bounty | Sounds to me like you have to buy HoTS |
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| 02:21.42 | paynis | ahli |
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| 02:45.36 | pirate | arg |
| 02:46.19 | pirate | I've successfully made my own cone lightning ability based off of (zurvan's) Lightning Breath |
| 02:46.23 | pirate | but there is a mystery! |
| 02:46.45 | pirate | despite not using or adding any new sound actors |
| 02:46.50 | pirate | there is still sound |
| 02:47.56 | pirate | where does it come from? |
| 02:47.59 | pirate | where is it going? |
| 02:49.16 | Bounty | I think I just came up with an amazing and deep game concept lol |
| 02:49.18 | Bounty | I THINK |
| 02:49.20 | pirate | these things... how do I destroy? |
| 02:49.49 | Bounty | Is there anything linked to it in the data editor pirate? |
| 02:49.55 | pirate | no |
| 02:49.55 | Bounty | send a picture? |
| 02:50.00 | pirate | thats the mystery |
| 02:50.12 | Bounty | Well |
| 02:50.22 | Bounty | That is some scooby doo level mystery my friend |
| 02:50.37 | Bounty | What sound is it? |
| 02:50.42 | Bounty | I would start there |
| 02:50.45 | pirate | the sound from the campaign |
| 02:50.50 | Bounty | which one |
| 02:50.59 | pirate | from zurvans lightning ability |
| 02:51.09 | pirate | seems to be the actor LB_Weapon or something like this |
| 02:51.09 | Bounty | who the hell is zurvan |
| 02:51.17 | Bounty | wait |
| 02:51.24 | Bounty | Zurvan is a character in the campaign? |
| 02:51.25 | pirate | but that actor has no creation evens |
| 02:51.28 | pirate | yes |
| 02:51.32 | Bounty | I thought you were talking about a map maker named Zurvan rofl |
| 02:51.36 | pirate | lol gg |
| 02:51.37 | Bounty | let me open my editor |
| 02:51.46 | Bounty | Can probably help you |
| 02:52.08 | pirate | http://i.imgur.com/mSnov2s.png |
| 02:52.29 | pirate | OH |
| 02:52.30 | Bounty | What is inside that actor |
| 02:52.31 | pirate | nbm |
| 02:52.31 | pirate | i see |
| 02:52.36 | Bounty | Inside the actor? |
| 02:52.36 | pirate | it's connected to the model |
| 02:52.42 | Bounty | da fuck |
| 02:52.45 | Bounty | the MODEL? |
| 02:52.46 | pirate | yeah |
| 02:52.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:52.58 | Bounty | link please |
| 02:53.05 | Bounty | So I don't face this problem in the future |
| 02:53.09 | Bounty | Where in the model?\ |
| 02:53.18 | pirate | Animation Events |
| 02:53.25 | Bounty | Ah |
| 02:53.38 | Bounty | Good stuff, glad you solved it |
| 02:53.45 | pirate | why would they do that I wonder |
| 02:53.52 | Bounty | I wonder the same pirate |
| 02:53.58 | Bounty | Models used to be... models |
| 02:54.02 | Bounty | no animation event bs |
| 02:54.05 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:54.34 | pirate | well, animation events can be so very useful |
| 02:54.46 | Bounty | Never used them |
| 02:54.50 | Bounty | what are they for exactly? |
| 02:54.53 | pirate | footsteps for immersion and what have you |
| 02:55.04 | Bounty | oh shit |
| 02:55.06 | Bounty | thats what they do? |
| 02:55.19 | pirate | it's the only thing I knew they were used for |
| 02:55.22 | Bounty | So you can say when this animation reaches X second in its total animation time play Y sound? |
| 02:55.26 | pirate | yes |
| 02:55.33 | Bounty | well shit |
| 02:55.38 | pirate | fairly useful |
| 02:55.40 | Bounty | I retract my previous statement |
| 02:55.46 | Bounty | <3 animation events |
| 02:55.58 | Bounty | I used to have to do that through trigger loops |
| 02:56.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:56.09 | pirate | I believe you can use them to add physical footprints on the ground if the actor/model supports them but I haven't used that |
| 02:56.22 | pirate | I think the thor model has it |
| 03:00.13 | Bounty | go figure, he has the largest feet |
| 03:10.29 | Ahli | oh kickstarter was hacked |
| 03:17.28 | pirate | ? |
| 03:17.41 | pirate | oh |
| 03:18.25 | pirate | hmm I wonder what for |
| 03:22.46 | Bounty | wait what |
| 03:22.52 | Bounty | Kickstarter was hacked Ahli? |
| 03:22.53 | Bounty | source? |
| 03:22.59 | pirate | https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/important-kickstarter-security-notice |
| 03:23.11 | pirate | apparently only two accounts were actually compromised |
| 03:23.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:23.49 | Bounty | those underlined emphasizes of the word no |
| 03:24.00 | Bounty | eh |
| 03:24.15 | Bounty | I am not saying that is not true pirate but... |
| 03:24.36 | pirate | it was me I did it |
| 03:24.43 | Bounty | anytime some sort of digital/internet related hack becomes public, it is always worse than initially reported |
| 03:25.09 | Bounty | How much for dem credit cards bro (even though none were compromised?) |
| 03:25.51 | Bounty | anyways |
| 03:26.05 | Bounty | First thing I did was google image the CEO of kickstarter noted at the bottom of the letter |
| 03:26.06 | Bounty | http://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/09/Yancey-Strickler.jpg |
| 03:26.08 | Bounty | lol |
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| 04:16.35 | Renee | http://bbs.islga.org/static/image/Screenshot2014-02-16%2011_57_50.jpg All Units |
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| 07:52.50 | Zolden | TWOARGD!!!! |
| 07:57.00 | kingTD | ZORAHHHHHHHHH! |
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| 08:09.26 | JademusSreg | Clobboggler dagglethorp. |
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| 08:24.45 | Zolden | Hueltib ixfield |
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| 08:39.45 | Zolden | peew |
| 08:40.22 | DeltaVelocity | ix in field. huels the tib. spweesh ix oliver tap lace.. |
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| 09:53.50 | Bommes | so someone was able to open the database of the alpha? |
| 09:54.27 | Bommes | oh nevermind, it's actually just the tutorialmap? And some actor cheats or something I guess? |
| 09:54.56 | Zolden | Renee has been doing something fun yesterday |
| 09:55.10 | Zolden | like mapmaking in notepad for that build |
| 09:56.21 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 09:58.31 | Zolden | JademusSreg check Renee's logs from like 16 hours earlier |
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| 10:40.37 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.32 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.48 | Zolden | Ahli could telll you something about it |
| 10:47.30 | JademusSreg | Checked the logs, nothing useful, which is exceedingly annoying. |
| 10:49.15 | Ahli | no, there is nothing |
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| 10:59.57 | JademusSreg | Shame when people restrict useful information. |
| 11:04.20 | Goa | :) |
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| 11:04.53 | Goa | Jade restricting it into fancy language?:) |
| 11:04.54 | Zolden | information is like fart, spreads until all space occupied |
| 11:05.20 | Goa | but doesnt effected by inverse square law? |
| 11:05.50 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@dslb-092-073-193-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:05.56 | JademusSreg | I refer to the datamining of herostorm. |
| 11:05.57 | Zolden | fart spread speed is constant |
| 11:07.14 | Goa | inverse square law tells nothing about speed, its about distribution. |
| 11:07.46 | Zolden | what's distribution? isn't it derivative of speed? |
| 11:09.02 | Goa | thought so Jade, shame on them anyway that they leaked it wit restrictions |
| 11:09.37 | Zolden | who restricts? leak sources or chinese? |
| 11:09.49 | Zolden | or both are chinese? |
| 11:10.13 | JademusSreg | At least I always share; I enjoy being helpful. And, more importantly, I despise repeating myself, so may as well dump everything. |
| 11:11.19 | Goa | I know, I know you want people to teach proper language:) |
| 11:12.40 | Zolden | it's what i'm doing atm btw |
| 11:12.53 | Zolden | jsut learned "quandary" word |
| 11:12.57 | Goa | Jade, spam needs deleting: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/62624-enemy-died-mantra-91-9950385710/#p1 |
| 11:13.55 | Zolden | hindu spam? |
| 11:14.29 | Zolden | maybe it's a spam, but they see real magicians |
| 11:15.12 | JademusSreg | Shazam spammajammadinggone. |
| 11:15.24 | Zolden | Goa why rocks are attackable? |
| 11:15.37 | Zolden | they aren't even maze shit |
| 11:16.06 | Zolden | you could add mazing components if rocks were a bit more mazier, and spells could create some more rocks |
| 11:20.06 | Goa | yeah mazy rocks in the works |
| 11:21.06 | Goa | you have spells for turret and force field sooo |
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| 11:43.02 | Zolden | kingTD remember I gave you a mapster link to how to create actions in photoshop and apply them to multiple images? |
| 11:43.29 | kingTD | i remember that i have done that process |
| 11:44.26 | Zolden | do you have that link? |
| 11:44.33 | Zolden | or do you remember keywords to find it? |
| 11:45.53 | kingTD | nope, there is google and utube |
| 11:46.12 | Zolden | poople and youpoop |
| 11:46.31 | kingTD | i really would be glad pooping right now :/ |
| 11:48.43 | kingTD | why the fuck WoW models packs links died on sc2mapster? |
| 11:51.57 | kingTD | lol custom image of loading game bar |
| 11:56.19 | kingTD | lol this custom map... UI, building models other bullshit :d |
| 11:56.19 | Zolden | links die on mapster because there's a kind of epidemy |
| 11:58.30 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/WfKgH.jpg |
| 11:59.14 | duckies | what's the map twod? |
| 12:00.52 | Zolden | omg |
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| 12:01.32 | Zolden | no specs, no shadows, no nothing... looks like the very first 3d strategies |
| 12:01.34 | kingTD | doomed kingdoms or something |
| 12:01.38 | kingTD | :D |
| 12:01.46 | kingTD | for soem reason it disables shadows :D |
| 12:02.46 | Zolden | to make it look retro |
| 12:05.23 | kingTD | at least i finally managed to look my map not so retarded |
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| 12:05.57 | kingTD | and the gameplay too |
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| 12:06.29 | Zolden | guess, any map can have another map to compare with to look less retarded |
| 12:06.51 | Zolden | it's like bitches have ugly bitches friend to look less ugly |
| 12:12.51 | kingTD | well because everything now created is similar to bunch of other stuff that is created so we compare all those bitches with most similarities |
| 12:19.41 | Zolden | it's not because mapmakers have no imagination and can only repeat other maps, no, mapmakers have a good creativity |
| 12:19.55 | Zolden | it's because players like shit they liked b4 |
| 12:20.24 | Zolden | situation with tya's desert strike is the example |
| 12:20.41 | Zolden | it's similar to eu desert strike and therefore on 1st place in europe |
| 12:21.00 | Zolden | it differs from NA desert strike and is barely on 1st page |
| 12:21.28 | Zolden | players are as conservative as black old lady from south state |
| 12:24.03 | kingTD | heh, review is max size :/ |
| 12:47.35 | kingTD | okay 30 models rars and 2-3 wow maps need to extract models from :D |
| 12:49.24 | JademusSreg | Don't forget that new/good ideas do not necessarily entail good design. |
| 12:53.30 | JademusSreg | Also, games must be learned. One learns best by extending currently understood concepts and models; it's why analogies and metaphors tend to be effective in communicating ideas. A good design then is as intuitive, one which, through its mechanics and interface and presentation, assists the players' learning through extension. |
| 12:57.57 | kingTD | goa how is ur HS arena going? |
| 12:59.32 | Tolkfan | Does the "cursor effect" field for abilities actually execute the effect in that field? |
| 13:00.03 | Goa | kingTD fucking shit, today people have good decks |
| 13:00.16 | kingTD | :D |
| 13:01.03 | Goa | did 5-3 with paladin and now I am at 2-2 with warrior |
| 13:07.34 | Goa | 2-3 fucking shit |
| 13:07.54 | JademusSreg | Tolk, no, it's used for actor shit. |
| 13:08.26 | Tolkfan | :( |
| 13:08.58 | Tolkfan | I don't suppose there are other ways to execute effects when I aim an ability (like Psi Storm)? |
| 13:09.20 | Tolkfan | (trying to make an ability that slows down time when you aim with it, failing) |
| 13:12.10 | PutainDeLaMerde | JademusSreg, are you the third prophet of Islaam? |
| 13:12.38 | JademusSreg | Put, probably not, since I'm not Mohammed. |
| 13:12.44 | JademusSreg | *Laj |
| 13:13.04 | Goa | So your name is Christ? |
| 13:14.23 | JademusSreg | Nope. Abraham, Cruxified guy, then Mohammed. I forget if Mo counts as a prophet, but whatever. |
| 13:19.13 | PutainDeLaMerde | JademusSreg, Muhammad is the third? |
| 13:19.13 | PutainDeLaMerde | Idris fits in between, Adam |
| 13:19.13 | PutainDeLaMerde | Noah |
| 13:20.24 | JademusSreg | Wasn't aware Idra was a prohpet, but that would explain the old-testament style wrath and vengeance. |
| 13:22.10 | JademusSreg | *prophet |
| 13:22.21 | PutainDeLaMerde | Idris |
| 13:22.21 | PutainDeLaMerde | not Idra |
| 13:26.15 | Zolden | wasn't there prophet in wc3 story? that raven |
| 13:26.32 | Zolden | there are lots of prophets in fantasy books |
| 13:27.01 | Tolkfan | there's a prophet in every blizzard game |
| 13:27.13 | JademusSreg | Tried to find a "prohpet", google just turned up 49800 misspelled "prophet". =\ |
| 13:28.11 | Zolden | prohpet sounds like an animal that has a job, to be someone's pet, and doing its job pretty good |
| 13:29.01 | Zolden | google "looks like I'm a prophet, what should I do now" |
| 13:30.02 | Zolden | maybe there's being a prophet tutorial for dummies |
| 13:30.35 | JademusSreg | Must be, if that's a popular search term. |
| 13:32.28 | JademusSreg | Probably in same section as "How to found a multi-national billion-dollar religion" by L Ron Hubbard. |
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| 13:46.35 | Bommes | isn't the raven in wc3 just medivh? |
| 13:46.50 | Bommes | medivh isn't really a classical prophet, he's just a super powerful mage |
| 13:47.01 | Bommes | who knows a lot about the world and stuff |
| 13:47.17 | JademusSreg | Several worlds. |
| 13:47.23 | Bommes | so maybe that makes him a prophet compared to other people |
| 13:47.29 | Bommes | dunno |
| 13:47.42 | Bommes | mmh |
| 13:47.45 | JademusSreg | Informative contribution. |
| 13:48.28 | Bommes | I always had a problem with the word world, I like to use it analogous to the word universe |
| 13:48.52 | Bommes | so there can't really be multiple worlds |
| 13:49.02 | JademusSreg | Learned a great deal about Bom's pure usage of words. And world. |
| 13:49.06 | Bommes | or maybe a world is a universe at a specific point in time? |
| 13:49.24 | JademusSreg | Also, poor usage. It's quite pure. |
| 13:59.12 | Zolden | in russian the word that means world is homonime that also means peace |
| 14:00.47 | Zolden | so when sovie propaganda claim |
| 14:01.04 | Zolden | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.10 | Zolden | *jumped |
| 14:01.12 | Zolden | lol |
| 14:01.23 | JademusSreg | ignores the correction. |
| 14:01.26 | Zolden | he's too young to hump |
| 14:02.18 | Zolden | so when soviet propaganda claims to fight for peace in world, it may interpreted recursive and multiuniversive |
| 14:04.45 | Goa | in communism everybody fights for one and everybody is one:) |
| 14:05.26 | JademusSreg | *In zerg hive mind |
| 14:08.20 | Bommes | I thought about it for more than a couple of seconds by now and for me the word world describes the things that happen within someone's mind that form an understanding of it's surroundings, while the word universe describes the state of everything at a specific point in time |
| 14:08.38 | Bommes | so for example we live in the same universe as a snail, but the world of a snail is very different from our world |
| 14:09.13 | Bommes | although maybe it's better to keep time out of the word universe |
| 14:09.22 | JademusSreg | Bom, you're adorable and your mind is silly. |
| 14:10.21 | Kueken1 | isn't that true for the majority of the channel? |
| 14:10.29 | Kueken1 | the mind part, not the adorable |
| 14:10.57 | Zolden | Kueken come test my map with me |
| 14:11.14 | Kueken | nah, I am doing important stuff |
| 14:11.20 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 14:11.30 | Kueken | (playing Pokemon) |
| 14:11.43 | Zolden | ;\ |
| 14:11.54 | JademusSreg | The majority of the channel is absent or otherwise idle. The active subset is a fair split between competent and silly, with some overlap. |
| 14:12.38 | Kueken | I assume by "overlap" you mean mostly me :D |
| 14:12.55 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 14:13.31 | Kueken | my competent times silly factor would indeed be astronomical |
| 14:16.31 | Bommes | Jade, why? Don't you think these 2 concepts deserve different words? |
| 14:16.38 | Bommes | I mean it's probably not how the words are used in everyday speech |
| 14:16.51 | Bommes | but I think that distinction is pretty useful in case I want to write poetry or something |
| 14:17.29 | JademusSreg | We have the terms "scale" and "perspective", so your silly usage is preempted. |
| 14:18.47 | Bommes | these are very abstract words though, which are not useful in art |
| 14:19.13 | Bommes | because humans usually have a hard time to feel something profound from abstract symbols |
| 14:19.28 | Kueken | I disagree |
| 14:19.33 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 14:19.34 | Kueken | B===D |
| 14:19.37 | Kueken | abstract symbol |
| 14:19.43 | Kueken | yet very profound |
| 14:20.16 | Bommes | I mean everything is abstract |
| 14:20.25 | Bommes | your symbol is not abstract at all though, it's basically a picture |
| 14:20.33 | Kueken | :D |
| 14:20.48 | Kueken | its just a different layer of abstraction |
| 14:21.57 | Bommes | yeah that's what I mean, it's the same distinction between being a math professor and being a musician or a painter |
| 14:22.26 | Bommes | both have to work on high levels of abstraction but the abstraction needed in high level math is very different from the abstraction used in art |
| 14:23.46 | Kueken | and the abstraction in art seems more accessible for the layman, because the end result is usually something he can relate to, unlike math abstraction |
| 14:23.57 | JademusSreg | Funny thing about pseudointellectuals and art people, they tend to reject rationality, rigor, knowledge, quantification, anything they fear takes the wonder out of the world, puts it into terms that are vulnerable to being refuted. They preserve their freedom to effuse vacuous fascile sentiments and pretend wisdom by subverting objectivity. Silly vanity. |
| 14:24.12 | Kueken | (unless it happens to be abstract painting) |
| 14:25.56 | Kueken | Jade's ability to put random thoughts from my mind into very eloquent short-essays always astounds me :p |
| 14:26.27 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 14:26.29 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:26.43 | Kueken | That exact thing amused me as well, but I could have never formulated it quite that way |
| 14:29.32 | Bommes | but objectivity isn't a true state of our worlds, so in my opinion being all that you described with rejecting rationality etc isn't necessarily a worse state to be than otherwise |
| 14:32.48 | Bommes | I think every way to act or to follow actions in life has its trappings where you can get narrow-minded in one way or the other |
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| 14:44.59 | JademusSreg | Opinions are useless. They can't be both personal and assert truth, since if they must be subjective to be personal, and can't make claims about reality external to one's perspective. If they make an assertion, they are subject to refutation and, being an opinion rather than something demonstrable like factual information, are uninformed, rooted in ignorance. |
| 14:50.24 | JademusSreg | Rhetorically, opinions are a shoddily constructed escape hatch. When used in an argument, it's usually to assert support for a position in the absence of any factual evidence. If the opinion is then targeted because of this lack of logical/empirical substance, the opinion-wielder then employs the mantra "it's my personal belief", as though personal beliefs have any persuasive power,an effort |
| 14:50.25 | JademusSreg | to protect the useless opinion. |
| 14:56.23 | Kenoli | http://deltav.corpsmoderne.net/ |
| 14:56.45 | Kenoli | Gotta go to space |
| 14:56.47 | JademusSreg | Who doesn't like modern corpses |
| 14:56.48 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:57.22 | Kenoli | http://deltav.corpsmoderne.net/game.html?s=Earth&prg=QlVSTiAxLjYgUFJPIDg1CkJVUk4gNC43IFBSTyAzNQpCVVJOIDEwLjIgUkVUIDM3CkJVUk4gMTEuNjIgUkVUIDM2CkJVUk4gMTMuMSBSRVQgMS4yCkJVUk4gMTMuOSBSRVQgMS4yCg%3D%3D&nogui=true |
| 14:59.03 | JademusSreg | No joke for that one; what's the link? |
| 15:00.33 | Bommes | I agree, I don't see very much worth in my own opinion even (which has its own problems and I'm trying to change that). I'm not sure what your point is though Jade. |
| 15:01.31 | Kenoli | You play the game by creating a list of commands. You can share these lists via link. |
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| 15:01.53 | Kenoli | This is a super low moon orbit I made |
| 15:05.53 | JademusSreg | Looking at the source. |
| 15:20.06 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 15:39.15 | JademusSreg | There's a lot in main.js that would be better contained in json, but I figure that's not an option. |
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| 17:01.20 | pirate | hm |
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| 17:03.33 | Zolden | arrgh |
| 17:07.26 | Zolden | kingTD be care, you risk to be fixfibulated |
| 17:07.34 | kingTD | mm? |
| 17:08.29 | Zolden | just be care, no time to explain |
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| 17:16.07 | Scorp_ | hello peeps |
| 17:16.24 | Zolden | hey |
| 17:16.31 | Scorp_ | anyone here with experience with slide movement in pure data? |
| 17:16.51 | Zolden | what's slide movement? |
| 17:16.56 | Scorp_ | like |
| 17:17.03 | Scorp_ | a unit sliding on an ice surface |
| 17:17.12 | Zolden | just don't play walk anim |
| 17:17.31 | Scorp_ | I'm more thinking of the actual movement |
| 17:17.47 | Zolden | will still be the move command |
| 17:18.13 | Scorp_ | I want it to move with realistic, curved turns and constant movement |
| 17:18.25 | Scorp_ | I already have a functioning system in place, but it's in triggers |
| 17:18.35 | Scorp_ | so when played on b.net, it causes a bit of delay |
| 17:18.50 | Zolden | what's curved turns? |
| 17:19.00 | Zolden | rotating while moving? |
| 17:19.13 | Scorp_ | yea, kind of |
| 17:19.58 | Scorp_ | it's a bit hard to explain, since a screenshot won't do ^^ |
| 17:21.55 | Zolden | guess, tricky mover could do it |
| 17:22.03 | Zolden | but usually ppl don't learn movers that deep |
| 17:22.46 | Zolden | so you could jsut rotate the unit with trigger commands or with site ops |
| 17:25.18 | Scorp_ | this is the current system in place http://i.imgur.com/VX2xqN7.jpg |
| 17:26.04 | Zolden | why should it slide like this? |
| 17:26.10 | Goa | Scorp_ just use triggers |
| 17:26.20 | Zolden | line is natural if there are no forces |
| 17:26.23 | Zolden | are there forces? |
| 17:26.40 | Zolden | I made it with a tricky mover in my map |
| 17:26.53 | Scorp_ | which map? I could take a look at it |
| 17:27.00 | Zolden | overlay phase with sinus |
| 17:27.17 | Scorp_ | Goa: yea, I might end up with that. The delay just annoys me |
| 17:28.00 | Zolden | in mines and magic, but it's hard to notice, because there are shitloads of units and explosions |
| 17:28.07 | Scorp_ | I see |
| 17:28.20 | Goa | Scorp_ what delay? |
| 17:28.22 | Zolden | just check onetwo's mover tutorial |
| 17:28.37 | Zolden | pay attention to overlay stages |
| 17:28.55 | Zolden | but still natural sliding is line |
| 17:29.15 | Zolden | or unit can rotate while moving aong the line |
| 17:29.33 | Zolden | physically correct > fancy looking |
| 17:29.35 | Goa | Scorp_ I use triggers with ability target point event to slide to that way and there is almost no lag |
| 17:33.40 | Scorp_ | Zolden: if the unit is a car or ship (or any other object that can't turn around in an instant), its movement while turning will naturally follow a curved path |
| 17:35.58 | Scorp_ | Goa: I use something very similar, I guess I'll have to stick to that |
| 17:36.52 | Zolden | oh, i see, there are additional forces |
| 17:36.57 | Zolden | then jsut use triggers |
| 17:37.00 | Scorp_ | ye |
| 17:37.08 | Zolden | that will define velocity and angle at any moment |
| 17:38.00 | Zolden | proabbly you wil have to make it not turnable, and change the angle at every iteration via catalog |
| 17:40.52 | Zolden | if you use physically correct formuals, it will look cool |
| 17:46.17 | Scorp_ | I do |
| 17:53.35 | kingTD | arena sure sucks balls.. not much left to do in HS |
| 18:08.08 | Dustin|Work | Wow titanfall sucks bad |
| 18:12.15 | Goa | yeah, it was perfect idea to mix together bunch of game ideas that was never even before made together and then make an "AAA" title from it. |
| 18:12.19 | Goa | without campaign |
| 18:18.18 | Dustin|Work | If this would have been more like a Gundam game it could have been fucking awesome |
| 18:18.24 | Dustin|Work | But it's just so god damn shitty |
| 18:21.37 | Scorp_ | is it that bad? I never tried it, but it looks decent enough judging by the gameplay trailer |
| 18:22.47 | Dustin|Work | Ya it's bad |
| 18:23.26 | Dustin|Work | Just a Bland mediocre FPS with badly implimented Mirrors Edge Parkour and Mechs that can only dash and shoot a big gun |
| 18:23.35 | Dustin|Work | YAAAAWN |
| 18:23.47 | Scorp_ | I see |
| 18:24.24 | Scorp_ | the movement felt kinda akward |
| 18:24.30 | Dustin|Work | No SP, only online, and it's gonnabe like $60 |
| 18:24.43 | Scorp_ | aw |
| 18:24.50 | Dustin|Work | Als you have to use Origin |
| 18:24.57 | Dustin|Work | Also* |
| 18:25.14 | Scorp_ | I don't mind Origin |
| 18:25.23 | Dustin|Work | I hate it |
| 18:25.27 | Scorp_ | but games gotta have single player tho :S |
| 18:25.39 | pirate | is there a realistic limit on the number of behaviors a unit can have? |
| 18:25.48 | pirate | nvm |
| 18:25.50 | pirate | googled |
| 18:26.01 | Scorp_ | whats the answer |
| 18:26.11 | pirate | 64 |
| 18:26.41 | pirate | so too few for me to use behaviors to track item charges |
| 18:26.59 | Scorp_ | custom values? |
| 18:27.08 | Scorp_ | unless it's data |
| 18:27.29 | pirate | custom values are too gross |
| 18:27.56 | Dustin|Work | Pirate just use a record |
| 18:27.59 | pirate | well, and I need to store the charges total for inventory items with charges |
| 18:28.14 | Dustin|Work | Unit Tag returns a unique index for each unit |
| 18:28.35 | pirate | unit tag? |
| 18:28.48 | Dustin|Work | So you can do UnitVariableRecord[UnitIndex].Item[1].Charges = 5 |
| 18:28.59 | Dustin|Work | It's like My Unit Indexing Library |
| 18:29.14 | Dustin|Work | It assigns each unit a uniqe Integer ID |
| 18:29.30 | Dustin|Work | That you can then use to store information and retrieve it from the unit |
| 18:29.54 | pirate | hm |
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| 18:32.59 | mille25 | Hey |
| 18:34.00 | Dustin|Work | hi |
| 18:38.03 | kingTD | can anyone approve? :S http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/tdsets/files/2-building-construction-model-v2/ |
| 18:38.46 | Kueken | approves |
| 18:39.00 | Kueken | but Kueken lacks the power |
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| 18:39.34 | kingTD | those powerless minions :/ |
| 18:39.52 | duckies | hey goa http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/11765436602 =D |
| 18:40.37 | Kueken | That sounds hamazig |
| 18:41.09 | kingTD | :DDD |
| 18:41.23 | Zolden | JademusSreg probably this is waht Renee did http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/62536-heroes-of-the-storm-string-dump/?post=13 |
| 18:41.27 | kingTD | the thing is that goa have map with the same name |
| 18:42.33 | Zolden | we jsut need to ask Ahli to lobby through his blizz connections that that dude got banned and his posts removed, so Goa could post his tff |
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| 19:08.50 | pirate | hahahah |
| 19:09.12 | pirate | I'm using unit abilities to keep track of their held consumables |
| 19:09.22 | pirate | and inventory items to keep track of their abilities |
| 19:17.33 | Goa | :) |
| 19:20.34 | pirate | much easier to get, add, and set ability charges (as is needed with consumable items) than to calculate remaining charges in actual items |
| 19:20.53 | pirate | and inventory items are much easier to add and remove dynamically than actual abilities |
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| 20:15.59 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/62536-heroes-of-the-storm-string-dump/?post=17 |
| 20:22.22 | Zolden | oh, it was edited, nvm |
| 20:22.38 | Zolden | there was info that they opened heroes map with heroes |
| 20:23.38 | Scorp_ | lol that edit |
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| 20:54.40 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 20:55.16 | mille25 | Hello ArcanePariah . |
| 20:55.35 | ArcanePariah | Hey mille25, anything new and crazy with you? |
| 20:56.20 | mille25 | Actually ... no. :D |
| 20:57.12 | ArcanePariah | I am disappoint |
| 20:57.15 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 20:57.39 | mille25 | :/ |
| 20:57.57 | ArcanePariah | So, how goes SCU? |
| 20:58.34 | mille25 | Working on future releases. |
| 20:59.11 | mille25 | We can finally enter content production mode after 3 years of engine programming and bug fixing. :D |
| 21:01.21 | ArcanePariah | Nice |
| 21:03.26 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, makes sense, Kreation was bugging my design guy about helping with terrain, since my guy went nuts with NotD 2 terrain :D |
| 21:03.49 | kingTD | why we fighting in arena and not im more interesting envoirements? |
| 21:04.22 | ArcanePariah | Which is insanely ocd detailed... the map FEELS bigger, yet claustrophobic, kind of amazed on how he pulled that off |
| 21:04.51 | mille25 | Yeah, we are currently looking for good terrainers to put some workload off Ryan |
| 21:05.23 | mille25 | But SCU has its very own requirements for terrainers, such as very high focus on performance and a full 3D camera. |
| 21:06.07 | mille25 | So terrainers who are usually very good might have problems with SCUs own requirements |
| 21:06.23 | mille25 | Terraining a 3rd person RPG is def. different than terraining for the default top down view |
| 21:09.36 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... because of the stuff with the engine, I imagine it limits the number of things to be acting on the map at once. Loads of doodads with looping animations are probbably a no go for you |
| 21:10.20 | mille25 | The challenge for all our terrainers is to create a good compromise between performance and looks |
| 21:10.44 | mille25 | I guess thats kind of the case for all maps, but in SCU you feel lag way more than in most maps due to the camera and such |
| 21:11.13 | mille25 | Playing a TD with < 30FPS isnt a big deal, but SCU really suffers |
| 21:16.12 | Zolden | playing anything with fps < 50 is ew |
| 21:16.22 | Zolden | so keep it high |
| 21:17.10 | Zolden | mille25 have you found a dude to make effects fit 3d firstish view instead of default sc2 ones who look ok only on top view? |
| 21:17.34 | Zolden | ArcanePariah have you noticed that conversation in the strings dump thread? |
| 21:17.47 | ArcanePariah | Have not checked today |
| 21:17.51 | ArcanePariah | I'll go take a look |
| 21:17.55 | Zolden | that dude edited his message, scrapped the info that his friend opened heroes map with heroes client |
| 21:18.19 | Zolden | not usre if he found it doesn't work or just decided to hide that info |
| 21:18.36 | ArcanePariah | Doesn't suprise me, as soon as it leaked, I imagine various groups went to work trying to decode and open stuff |
| 21:18.42 | ArcanePariah | I remember when WoL beta leaked |
| 21:19.26 | Zolden | yea, Renee too compared it with wol beta |
| 21:19.34 | Zolden | and how she mapmaked in notepad |
| 21:19.45 | ArcanePariah | Hehe |
| 21:22.08 | Scorp_ | am I the only one having a ridiculously slow data editor? it takes between 5 and 10 seconds changing any field |
| 21:22.23 | Zolden | Scorp_ i dont have this issue |
| 21:22.30 | Scorp_ | it worked in an instant when I last used it ~8 months ago |
| 21:22.45 | mille25 | Scorp_: Try hiding the object explorer. |
| 21:23.14 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 21:23.32 | ArcanePariah | The object explorer is recomputing all links, its probably N^2 algo at best |
| 21:23.56 | ArcanePariah | So its horribly slow, and with larger amounts of XML, the parsing probably is killing the editor |
| 21:24.14 | ArcanePariah | Just use the data navigator |
| 21:24.16 | ArcanePariah | Far better |
| 21:24.20 | Scorp_ | apparently that fixes the issue, thanks |
| 21:24.32 | ArcanePariah | Has preview + object explorer + visual representation all rolled into 1 |
| 21:29.43 | Bommes | datanav is faster than object explorer? how so? |
| 21:30.32 | ArcanePariah | I dunno about faster, but it does shortcut some things. For one, you can preview linked models and sounds |
| 21:30.54 | ArcanePariah | Also it is easier to see what things are linked to what, instead of just a list that tells you nothing what is linked |
| 21:31.16 | Bommes | mmh |
| 21:31.23 | Bommes | might be handy when working together with other people I guess |
| 21:31.37 | ArcanePariah | Also it doesn't real time sync, meaning it does not recompute stuff every time you select something |
| 21:31.48 | ArcanePariah | It only computes when you need it to |
| 21:31.49 | Bommes | but I usually just name things after what they are linked to in the first place so I guess it's just not for me |
| 21:32.25 | ArcanePariah | True that is one strategy, but depends on the complexity of the linkage. For example, look at Brood Lord :D |
| 21:32.46 | Bommes | how can you decipher complex linkage in the datanav |
| 21:32.49 | Bommes | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9962/datanav.png |
| 21:32.57 | Bommes | like that's impossible |
| 21:32.58 | Bommes | seriously |
| 21:33.03 | ArcanePariah | Oh that's easy |
| 21:33.06 | ArcanePariah | filter stuff |
| 21:33.08 | ArcanePariah | In the view |
| 21:33.12 | ArcanePariah | remove differetn data types |
| 21:33.22 | ArcanePariah | I would drop actors and model/soudn data |
| 21:33.29 | ArcanePariah | should make it far easier |
| 21:33.44 | ArcanePariah | Would cut out like 50% of that |
| 21:33.53 | Bommes | hmm |
| 21:33.59 | Bommes | maybe it's useful |
| 21:34.04 | Scorp_ | I can see how datanav could be handy in some situations |
| 21:34.21 | Bommes | how do you filter |
| 21:34.23 | Bommes | in datanav? |
| 21:34.32 | Bommes | I didn't know you could |
| 21:34.39 | ArcanePariah | View menu |
| 21:34.45 | ArcanePariah | And uncheck stuff |
| 21:35.32 | ArcanePariah | Also, any item in the list, you can right click and select "Find Item" |
| 21:35.40 | ArcanePariah | And it will zoom to it visually |
| 21:36.48 | ArcanePariah | Well, won't zoom, but centers it |
| 21:37.01 | ArcanePariah | And then zoom in as needed |
| 21:37.30 | ArcanePariah | Selecting any model or sound will preview it in the bot left area |
| 21:37.56 | ArcanePariah | the preview area is semi cutscene editor, you can rotate/zoom it to view the model as needed |
| 21:38.40 | ArcanePariah | Personally I hope they expand on data nav |
| 21:39.47 | Bommes | what should they add? |
| 21:40.36 | ArcanePariah | Well, currently it does not show links for terrain stuff afaik |
| 21:40.49 | ArcanePariah | Like what textures are associated with a terrain type object |
| 21:41.00 | Bommes | it shows everything that is in the object explorer, doesn't it? |
| 21:41.09 | Bommes | so it would be more about fixing the object explorer |
| 21:41.49 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the systems are the same, so yeah, just more through display of linkage. Like nothing is shown linking to anything in advanced data, like tactical AI objects |
| 21:41.57 | Bommes | for example making it show all the things linked to the weapon effect field again |
| 21:42.00 | ArcanePariah | Also for searches, I don't know if they show links to target sorts |
| 21:42.07 | ArcanePariah | Well yeah, that's a bug they REALLY need to fix |
| 21:42.13 | ArcanePariah | So annoying... |
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| 21:43.45 | ArcanePariah | Nvm, it does show target sorts |
| 21:43.49 | ArcanePariah | Hmm |
| 21:44.32 | ArcanePariah | What I think it does badly is that it shows when an object link TO another, but not showing all the objects that link to a given object |
| 21:44.41 | ArcanePariah | So my search shows the target sort |
| 21:44.50 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, nvm |
| 21:44.54 | ArcanePariah | Seems to work |
| 21:45.04 | ArcanePariah | Guess they improved it at some point |
| 21:46.10 | ArcanePariah | I guess my main thing is that data nav is limited for actors since actors can use very ambigous links |
| 21:46.28 | ArcanePariah | Since they can be sent to a certain actor, or to an alias or to a reference or any of the above |
| 21:47.08 | ArcanePariah | Actors basically are non deterministic, so borderline impossible to show on a graph. THey could show links with aliases but that would get horrific fast |
| 21:47.43 | ArcanePariah | Since the entire point of aliases is to allow an actor message to target any number of actors without knowing how many in advanced |
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| 22:45.50 | Bommes | hello |
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| 22:48.55 | Bounty | peowa |
| 22:55.35 | ArcanePariah | Pwnt |
| 22:56.20 | ArcanePariah | So random discovery, it is (from my intial impression) far better to put as much code into libaraies/dependencies, since if you are using GUI only, the lib code performs much better |
| 22:56.48 | Scorp_ | it does? :O |
| 22:57.43 | ArcanePariah | Well.. if you define an array of integers in just normal mapscript, the GUI automatically creates a function called InitGlobals and loops through and sets all the array index values to the default value. In libaries, it doesn't seem to do this |
| 22:58.44 | ArcanePariah | It is probably a minor thing, but it does eliminate a decent amount of code that is kind of wasted just setting all global varaibles to values, to prevent undefined errors |
| 22:59.11 | ArcanePariah | This applies to GUI only, sinec I imagine if you raw scripted, you can use intialization lists for arrays |
| 23:00.37 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, nvm, it just does it differently in libs, named a function differently |
| 23:01.46 | ArcanePariah | though it does show that structs are vastly important, since it can does struct vars in a single loops, whereas having multiple arrays forces many loops |
| 23:02.08 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if the engine support loop unrolling |
| 23:02.27 | ArcanePariah | (Probably not since SC2 can only utilize 2 cores) |
| 23:02.29 | ArcanePariah | sadface |
| 23:03.17 | Bommes | twitchplayspokemon 53k viewers lol |
| 23:03.44 | ArcanePariah | Are you serious... 53k people watching people play pokemon??? |
| 23:04.03 | ArcanePariah | And I though I had no life... |
| 23:04.10 | Bommes | 53.8k |
| 23:04.19 | ArcanePariah | weeps for humanity |
| 23:04.23 | Bommes | well they are all playing the game at the same time |
| 23:04.26 | Bommes | it's interactive |
| 23:04.31 | ArcanePariah | Wait.. wtf? |
| 23:04.37 | ArcanePariah | How does this work? |
| 23:04.50 | ArcanePariah | Play pokemon by committee of the mob? |
| 23:04.54 | Bommes | chat commands |
| 23:04.59 | Bommes | just watch it |
| 23:05.04 | Bommes | http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon |
| 23:05.30 | ArcanePariah | Oh my god... |
| 23:05.53 | ArcanePariah | Pokemon by commitee.... |
| 23:06.31 | ArcanePariah | So... when the hell will the game actually end? |
| 23:06.40 | ArcanePariah | Sometime next century? |
| 23:06.54 | Bommes | they have pretty good progress tbh |
| 23:07.01 | Bommes | at 4th badge already |
| 23:07.25 | Bommes | granted the second half of the game is harder |
| 23:07.28 | ArcanePariah | ... loool.... I guess, though a decent player can bang out 4th badge in 2-3 hours.... |
| 23:07.49 | Bommes | getting surf for example is probably impossible unless the game is modded |
| 23:07.54 | Bommes | in some form |
| 23:08.01 | ArcanePariah | Good god... yeah, safari... |
| 23:08.57 | ArcanePariah | Hated that part, since unless you know exactly where surf is, you will nearly always lose, I think there is like maybe 50 step margin for error |
| 23:09.22 | Bommes | yeah not my favourite part either |
| 23:09.27 | Bommes | I had a walkthrough book as a kid though |
| 23:09.29 | ArcanePariah | It's like 500 steps in safari iirc |
| 23:09.31 | Bommes | so that was nice |
| 23:09.58 | ArcanePariah | Also that gym is lame, with the invis walls |
| 23:10.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster rtschutter (~rtschutte@ip72-220-22-237.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:11.04 | Bommes | I'd imagine surfing itself will take a lot of time as well, since there are a couple of spots where you have to use surf to progress |
| 23:11.16 | rtschutter | Hello friends! |
| 23:11.19 | Bommes | and there are a lot of opportunities to surf to the wrong ground and having to use surf again |
| 23:11.24 | ArcanePariah | yeah, you need it to get to 6th gym on cinnebar |
| 23:11.30 | ArcanePariah | iirc |
| 23:11.34 | ArcanePariah | or that 5th |
| 23:11.39 | Bommes | and every time you want to use surf in first edition pokemon |
| 23:11.44 | Bommes | you have to go to the menu |
| 23:11.47 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... |
| 23:11.51 | Bommes | so that action could easily take an hour in itself |
| 23:11.53 | Bommes | :D |
| 23:12.00 | Bommes | hi rts |
| 23:12.03 | ArcanePariah | facepalm |
| 23:12.07 | ArcanePariah | Hey rts |
| 23:12.32 | ArcanePariah | We are discussing the hilarity that the internet has created, playing 1990's games by committee/mob |
| 23:12.46 | rtschutter | oh god that pokemon thing? |
| 23:12.50 | ArcanePariah | Yep |
| 23:12.53 | rtschutter | I tried watching that yesterday |
| 23:13.03 | rtschutter | but he just sat there twitching for 5 minutes |
| 23:13.10 | ArcanePariah | I weep for humanity if 54k people actually watch that and god knows how many are trying to play... |
| 23:13.11 | rtschutter | unable to move in any direction more than a square or two |
| 23:13.13 | rtschutter | so I gave up |
| 23:13.52 | rtschutter | I just had a new idea for an arcade game |
| 23:14.04 | ArcanePariah | This should be the Exhibit A of why no one is stupider then all of us |
| 23:14.07 | rtschutter | but dammit I can't keep spending my time on this crap |
| 23:14.33 | ArcanePariah | Hey, at least it is more worth endeavor then spamming twitch chat to play retro games |
| 23:14.49 | rtschutter | whoever set that up is a genius |
| 23:14.51 | ArcanePariah | Imagine playing something like Ninja Gaiden via Twitch... |
| 23:14.57 | rtschutter | probably making decent money off of that |
| 23:14.58 | ArcanePariah | Probably would never finish |
| 23:15.24 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if any has charted the number of viewers to progress |
| 23:15.30 | A1win | you can't die in pokemon, so it's optimal for that |
| 23:15.31 | Bommes | maybe it's the same guy who made saltybet |
| 23:15.36 | ArcanePariah | Bet that more viewers = game slower |
| 23:15.43 | ArcanePariah | game progress slower* |
| 23:19.11 | ArcanePariah | But yes, the guy who made that is a genius |
| 23:19.19 | ArcanePariah | In linking something ancient to the modern |
| 23:19.35 | Bommes | I think at some point they will probably just dismiss all their pokemon by accident since they have to use hm abilities all the time to progress |
| 23:19.37 | ArcanePariah | Combination of emulation/ Javascript/ Python and web stream... |
| 23:19.44 | Bommes | as soon as strength and surf etc comes into play later on |
| 23:19.57 | Bommes | or can you only dismiss at the computer? |
| 23:20.07 | ArcanePariah | Good question... I have no idea |
| 23:23.13 | ArcanePariah | Oh god, someone seriously sugguested they try getting this setup working with other emulation stuff and try playing Zelda Ocarina of Time with it... |
| 23:23.30 | ArcanePariah | Though he did sugguest tetris |
| 23:23.35 | ArcanePariah | That would be funny to see |
| 23:24.20 | Bommes | mmh |
| 23:24.28 | Bommes | I think all these games are too unforgiving |
| 23:24.50 | Bommes | you couldn't really progress or get anywhere |
| 23:24.57 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, pokemon under no circumstances reverts your progress, you can only move forward |
| 23:25.11 | Bommes | yeah |
| 23:25.19 | Bommes | unless you dismiss all your pokemon by accident or something |
| 23:25.34 | rtschutter | by the way |
| 23:25.37 | ArcanePariah | At worst you can get stalled by a gym, but even then, you can just grind wilds for xp and outlvl the gym |
| 23:25.46 | Bommes | maybe other oldschool rpgs could work out |
| 23:25.48 | rtschutter | I requested clarification from Blizzard about the 6 player maximum for their arcade contest |
| 23:25.51 | Bommes | like chrono trigger or something |
| 23:25.58 | Bommes | but the difficulty of that might be just too hard |
| 23:26.18 | rtschutter | while I did not get the specific kind of clarification I wanted, they did say that Pure CTF (which actually has an 8 player maximum) WOULD qualify for the contest |
| 23:26.25 | ArcanePariah | rtschutter, they posted an update, on sc2mapster and on the contest, they want it enjoyable by 6 players |
| 23:26.35 | Bommes | it has to be playable by 6 players pretty much |
| 23:26.37 | rtschutter | oh okay they did end up clarifying it then |
| 23:26.41 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 23:26.43 | rtschutter | yeah they told me they would eventually |
| 23:26.53 | rtschutter | but in the mean time they just said my map would qualify |
| 23:27.06 | ArcanePariah | They don't something like dota, which sucks bad for 6 players |
| 23:27.14 | ArcanePariah | 6 player dota is... boring |
| 23:27.19 | Bommes | http://puu.sh/6YBkx.jpg |
| 23:27.32 | ArcanePariah | ROFLMAO |
| 23:27.47 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... strategy... by a mob... new definition of an oxymoron |
| 23:52.14 | rtschutter | do you guys know if games played have some kind of ID? |
| 23:52.36 | rtschutter | a specific identifying number for every game ever played |
| 23:52.37 | ArcanePariah | I don't think so |
| 23:52.40 | rtschutter | damn |
| 23:53.08 | ArcanePariah | I could see blizzard implementing it with Storm |
| 23:53.23 | ArcanePariah | Since DotA 2 has that, a match id that uniquely identifies each gaem |
| 23:53.24 | rtschutter | they will almost certainly have to |
| 23:53.32 | ArcanePariah | Well wait.. I guess games do have an id |
| 23:53.40 | ArcanePariah | Since you can look at people's match history |
| 23:54.00 | ArcanePariah | But I don't think it is public, probably just a private key in a database |
| 23:54.41 | rtschutter | I will ask blizzard about it |
| 23:55.17 | Bommes | can you link banks from different maps together for the same player? |
| 23:55.28 | Bommes | haven't used banks yet |
| 23:55.42 | ArcanePariah | Bommes, Yes, banks are stored based on the Author B.net Handle |
