| 00:15.54 | Ahli | sc2 can hold units with a sum of 16384 abilities at the same time on the map before units stop being spawned... |
| 00:16.29 | Ahli | unit limit is there, too. |
| 00:30.58 | Ahli | sc2 shouldn't be able to handle a 4vs4 with each player maxing with zerglings |
| 00:31.49 | turtles1 | You can screw things up by making enough overlords |
| 00:33.29 | turtles1 | Is there a way I could refer to a point when the name is in another language such as korean? |
| 00:34.05 | turtles1 | using the point from name function trying to get a reference to a point with the name "시작 장소 001" |
| 00:34.59 | turtles1 | but the editor won't accept it. |
| 00:37.15 | turtles1 | !!!! looking through list of triggers so I can try something and discovered "action group"! Why did no one tell me about this? lol |
| 00:38.17 | turtles1 | Using custom script will not accept korean characters either :( |
| 00:38.32 | DestinyHope | Ahli, sweetiepie |
| 00:38.32 | DestinyHope | I can't sleep. |
| 00:46.28 | turtles1 | So, you can't use the english editor to refer to things with names in korean/chinease? Or is there something I'm missing? |
| 01:33.21 | Ahli | publishing map to 3 regions takes 20 minutes because I need to switch the map name once and need to switch the mod dependencies all the time and save the map :X |
| 01:33.26 | Ahli | *4 regions |
| 01:34.18 | DeadZergling | Such a troubled life you lead Ahli |
| 01:35.05 | Ahli | yes yes |
| 01:35.10 | DeadZergling | next you'll tell us sometimes you have to pull things out of the microwave, stir the potatoes, then microwave 2 more minutes. |
| 01:35.30 | Ahli | :D |
| 01:36.20 | Ahli | I don't cook myself potatoes here, so that won't happen... |
| 01:36.42 | DeadZergling | Huew, dodged a bullet |
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| 03:17.18 | ArcanePariahClas | Yoink |
| 03:18.10 | ArcanePariahClas | Getting lectured on game engine theory (events, etc.). Somewhat interesting |
| 03:18.33 | ArcanePariahClas | Of course, my discussion in here has been far more interesting then lectures |
| 03:18.48 | ArcanePariahClas | JademusSreg: anything new or interesting? |
| 03:19.47 | JademusSreg | Matrix script. |
| 03:21.16 | ArcanePariahClas | Ahh, your mega fudge and Omega Fudge :P |
| 03:21.59 | JademusSreg | Certainly helps I found those on a lark. |
| 03:31.29 | DeadZergling | on a completely unrelated note, just blew my nose so hard my world wouldn't stop moving a minute or two afterwards |
| 03:31.54 | DeadZergling | Let's not do that one again... |
| 03:32.30 | JacktheArcher | Anyone know if you can get an attack impact model to scale depending on a units model size |
| 03:32.42 | JacktheArcher | And no inherit properties doesn't work |
| 03:32.52 | JademusSreg | Usually it's what's going into the nose, not what comes out. |
| 03:33.25 | DeadZergling | yea I understand the reference, but I haven't ever actually done drugs |
| 03:34.49 | JacktheArcher | Anyone? |
| 03:34.58 | JademusSreg | Wisdom is informed by a diversity of experience. |
| 03:35.08 | JademusSreg | Jack, yes, easy. |
| 03:35.19 | JademusSreg | Not that you'd want to, though. |
| 03:35.43 | JacktheArcher | Is your idea a complicated work around? |
| 03:35.54 | JacktheArcher | Why else would I not want to do it |
| 03:36.00 | JademusSreg | Hah, no. If you did, you'd use a custom actor to host the model. |
| 03:36.35 | JacktheArcher | Oh... |
| 03:36.48 | JademusSreg | Notice the field in the action actor, something like Attack Impact Model? |
| 03:36.55 | JacktheArcher | Yea |
| 03:37.44 | JacktheArcher | I've never seen an attack change that |
| 03:38.41 | JademusSreg | That's a link to a generic model actor. Define your own that can accept the scale, have your action actor use the custom model actor. |
| 03:39.15 | JacktheArcher | That's it? Why would I not want to do that? |
| 03:40.41 | JademusSreg | Because it's usually silly to scale an impact model to the unit being hit. The way scaling up a small calibre round impact just because the target is bigger doesn't make sense. |
| 03:42.03 | JacktheArcher | That's EXACTLY what I told my partner |
| 03:42.14 | JacktheArcher | But he won't listen |
| 03:42.36 | JacktheArcher | Well thanks |
| 03:42.37 | DeadZergling | I can understand wanting to scale up a buff or a debuff |
| 03:42.40 | JacktheArcher | I'll go try this out |
| 03:42.47 | DeadZergling | but otherwise, terrible idea man, lol |
| 03:42.56 | JacktheArcher | I know >.> |
| 03:43.23 | DeadZergling | what you working on anyways JacktheArcher ? |
| 03:44.04 | JacktheArcher | Well in this case it's less me and more of my friend who can't data edit for his life and I doubt he'd be ok with me disclosing the map |
| 03:44.35 | DeadZergling | I understand, can you tell me what kind of map it is, rough details at least? |
| 03:44.42 | DeadZergling | just curious, no biggy if you can't say. |
| 03:45.08 | JacktheArcher | Classic rpg kind of thing |
| 03:45.32 | JacktheArcher | Something kind of akin to the original final fantasy |
| 03:45.44 | DeadZergling | ah, have to let me know when it is in a more public state |
| 03:45.52 | DeadZergling | those can be fun to dink around on |
| 03:46.02 | JacktheArcher | yea I agree |
| 03:46.22 | DeadZergling | cool beans anyways, I need to go grocery shopping now though |
| 03:46.30 | DeadZergling | hope it turns out well for you :) |
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| 03:53.46 | JacktheArcher | Yea jademus it doesn't seem to work |
| 03:57.04 | ArcanePariahClas | JacktheArcher: Success? Also, every single model and sound reference in an action actor also has a link to a respective actor. The action actor just spares you littering various actors with create messages and also lets you reuse the same actor for many actions |
| 03:57.17 | ArcanePariahClas | Oh |
| 03:58.00 | JademusSreg | Of course it works. The catch is that the implementation must be correct. |
| 03:59.21 | JacktheArcher | Is there anything more I have to do |
| 03:59.45 | JacktheArcher | I added the a model type actor to that impact model field |
| 04:00.20 | JademusSreg | I lack the patience to provide walkthroughs, but if there's something wrong with the |
| 04:00.25 | JademusSreg | XML data, I can spot it. |
| 04:00.27 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:00.54 | JacktheArcher | The XML for the model or the action? |
| 04:00.57 | JacktheArcher | or both? |
| 04:01.19 | JademusSreg | Both. |
| 04:01.42 | JademusSreg | (Or rather, always everything relevant. =D ) |
| 04:02.19 | JacktheArcher | <Catalog> <CActorAction id="MarineAttack"> <ImpactMap index="None" Model=""/> <ImpactModel value="MetalImpact"/> </CActorAction> <CActorModel id="MetalImpact" parent="ModelAddition"> <EditorCategories value=""/> <Model value="MetalTargetImpact"/> </CActorModel> </Catalog> |
| 04:02.39 | JacktheArcher | That was what i changed of the action |
| 04:02.44 | JacktheArcher | This is the model |
| 04:02.45 | JacktheArcher | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="us-ascii"?> <Catalog> <CActorAction id="MarineAttack"> <ImpactMap index="None" Model=""/> <ImpactModel value="MetalImpact"/> </CActorAction> <CActorModel id="MetalImpact" parent="ModelAddition"> <EditorCategories value=""/> <Model value="MetalTargetImpact"/> </CActorModel> </Catalog> |
| 04:02.59 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/ |
| 04:03.08 | JacktheArcher | Oh |
| 04:04.09 | ArcanePariahClas | JacktheArcher, from a cursory examiniation, you have not defined the model to be used for the actual impact |
| 04:04.18 | JacktheArcher | https://pastee.org/jgxs6 |
| 04:04.47 | ArcanePariahClas | Ahh, I see your confusion |
| 04:04.55 | ArcanePariahClas | THe model in the model actor is NOT used |
| 04:05.07 | JacktheArcher | No? |
| 04:05.08 | ArcanePariahClas | the model in the Impact map is used |
| 04:05.18 | ArcanePariahClas | And you have nothing there, so nothing appears |
| 04:05.33 | ArcanePariahClas | How actions work is it takes the model you define and plugs that into the actor you provide |
| 04:05.37 | ArcanePariahClas | It allows actor reuses |
| 04:05.48 | ArcanePariahClas | without creating a new model actor for every possible attack |
| 04:05.57 | ArcanePariahClas | Hence the generic attack model |
| 04:06.06 | JacktheArcher | Which I was told to replace |
| 04:06.20 | ArcanePariahClas | Yes, that actor will be used to govern the behavior |
| 04:06.41 | JacktheArcher | I see |
| 04:07.09 | ArcanePariahClas | actors control behavior, but the model you actually want can be defined in the impact map. The power is that you can use 1 actor, but define totally different models for differnt materials |
| 04:07.21 | ArcanePariahClas | So 1 actor but 10 possible impacts :D |
| 04:07.53 | JacktheArcher | Right |
| 04:07.57 | ArcanePariahClas | If we did not have action actors, you would have to create 1 actor per material, or 10 events in an actor, and test for each material |
| 04:08.04 | ArcanePariahClas | Ugly as all hell :D |
| 04:08.32 | JacktheArcher | I'm lost though with the makign the impact model scale to the unit it is impacting on (The host?) |
| 04:08.55 | ArcanePariahClas | Yes |
| 04:09.11 | ArcanePariahClas | What you want, is the impact model actor to have its Host be _Unit |
| 04:09.22 | ArcanePariahClas | Host - Subject* |
| 04:09.41 | ArcanePariahClas | And then you want to set the autoscale factor to 1 |
| 04:09.42 | ArcanePariahClas | In the model actor |
| 04:10.33 | JacktheArcher | let me try this |
| 04:11.51 | JacktheArcher | Thanks it works |
| 04:14.10 | JademusSreg | So glad Arc is here to spare me the labor. ♥ |
| 04:14.23 | JacktheArcher | Ahaha makes no difference for me |
| 04:14.30 | JacktheArcher | good help is good help |
| 04:15.53 | ArcanePariahClas | Ahh, JademusSreg, teaching is the epitome of learning, for one must understand first before one can teach :D |
| 04:16.16 | JacktheArcher | O_o so wise... |
| 04:17.58 | ArcanePariahClas | Heh |
| 04:18.33 | ArcanePariahClas | There is but one thing I have learned from mapmaking, and knowing what to do... there is never enough time |
| 04:18.52 | JacktheArcher | Agreed |
| 04:20.10 | JademusSreg | Yes. I've helped others learn so that they may save me the trouble of repeating myself. =D |
| 04:20.27 | ArcanePariahClas | At this point, I have understood and learned soooo much... and I seriously need to write about 10 fucking tutorials, but never have enough time between work, school, exercise, working on NotD 1, NotD 2, and then real life obligations like food, my cat, etc. |
| 04:21.00 | JacktheArcher | psssh obligations |
| 04:21.19 | ArcanePariahClas | And of course, my mapmaking is for borderline one of the most complex concepts and maps on the bloody arcade |
| 04:21.39 | JacktheArcher | How so? |
| 04:21.47 | ArcanePariahClas | Ever played NotD? |
| 04:21.50 | ArcanePariahClas | Night of the Dead? |
| 04:21.55 | JacktheArcher | yea |
| 04:22.20 | JacktheArcher | I guess its complex |
| 04:22.32 | ArcanePariahClas | Well... I'm still maintaining that, and our sequel is taking that, reusing some of it, but adding a bunch more stuff, more AI, more player customization, more refined UI... |
| 04:22.46 | ArcanePariahClas | I gotta design 3 sets of AI, and implement them |
| 04:22.53 | JacktheArcher | Yea I would imagine the 2nd one will be far more complex |
| 04:23.04 | ArcanePariahClas | SO yeah.... |
| 04:23.55 | ArcanePariahClas | We've spent an insane amount of effort time on it. We got custom models being done, design guy has spent an almost overkill effort on the terrain (It is live, check it out, NotD 2) |
| 04:24.11 | ArcanePariahClas | He... well... he went nuts with details |
| 04:24.30 | ArcanePariahClas | Plus might get custom sound and voice work at some point |
| 04:24.38 | JacktheArcher | That would be really cool |
| 04:35.15 | ArcanePariahClas | Hmm... tutorial on Attach Methods, Queried Actors, State Monitors... which one to do first.... |
| 04:36.41 | JacktheArcher | what are state monitors? |
| 04:37.52 | Zandose | ^wants everything, now! |
| 04:37.58 | ArcanePariahClas | Ahh, a very fun actor. They are actors which can have various "states", and the state is determined by validators. When a given validator passes, the monitor switches to that "state". Then, in the actor messages, there is a state change message, and then as a term, you can see which state it came from, and what state it is now |
| 04:38.17 | ArcanePariahClas | Then based on that switch, you can then run other actor messages. |
| 04:38.25 | JacktheArcher | Hmm that sounds kind of useful |
| 04:38.29 | ArcanePariahClas | A simple example of them in action is the terran building burning |
| 04:38.37 | JacktheArcher | Ahhh I see |
| 04:38.42 | ArcanePariahClas | As their HP changes, the actor creates and destroys the flames |
| 04:38.51 | JacktheArcher | That's cool |
| 04:39.20 | ArcanePariahClas | What it does, is when the HP switches, it destroys the old flames and replaces it with a new flame actors, depending on state |
| 04:39.27 | ArcanePariahClas | Same for zerg buildings and their bleeding |
| 04:39.49 | JacktheArcher | I mean you should do tutorials on everything you mentioned |
| 04:39.57 | ArcanePariahClas | Oh I intend to |
| 04:39.59 | JacktheArcher | I know there are some for attaching already though |
| 04:40.44 | ArcanePariahClas | Queried actors are actors that use attach methods, and then create an actor on all points return by the attach method. This is the way the state monitor creates the flames on all the points but with 1 actor :D |
| 04:41.12 | JacktheArcher | Yea that sounds pretty damn useful |
| 04:41.34 | ArcanePariahClas | So with just 6 actors (1 per state, the state monitor, and the queried actor) the game seemlessly creates and destroys the flames |
| 04:41.50 | JacktheArcher | This sounds like a combined tutorial almost |
| 04:42.12 | ArcanePariahClas | A simple usage I can think of would be color or model changes for a boss. Same unit, but do model swaps for various "stages" using validators for the stages |
| 04:42.38 | JacktheArcher | Right that makes sense |
| 04:42.39 | ArcanePariahClas | I've already done a tutorial on lists, and on query response actors with regions |
| 04:42.50 | JacktheArcher | What is mapster name? |
| 04:42.57 | ArcanePariahClas | ArcaneDurandel |
| 04:43.02 | JacktheArcher | Oh ok |
| 04:43.34 | JacktheArcher | I think I've seen you around |
| 04:43.41 | ArcanePariahClas | Yes, I post from time to time |
| 04:43.55 | ArcanePariahClas | Actors are arguably the most powerful system in the entire editor |
| 04:44.08 | ArcanePariahClas | THe entire paradigm is powerful, but very abstract |
| 04:44.14 | JacktheArcher | I would agree with that |
| 04:44.20 | ArcanePariahClas | Which probably explains people's difficulty with them |
| 04:44.35 | ArcanePariahClas | Hopefully with enough tutorials, it becomes easier |
| 04:47.51 | ArcanePariahClas | The problem stems from the fact that even the base Actors are abstract, and then on top of that, you have what I would call meta Actors, Actors solely to control/manipulate other actors (State Monitors, Lists, Query Response, Queried, ACTION!!!) |
| 04:49.34 | JacktheArcher | Right |
| 04:49.54 | JacktheArcher | I've fiddled with a lot of actors and stuff and there is still a lot I don't know about them |
| 04:52.13 | ArcanePariahClas | Yes... sadly Blizzard made a misjudgement or simply didn't care about the audience of mapmakers, namely, most are amateurs, and have little if any formal CS or Software engineering schooling or experience. The editor to be is quite intuitive, and the actors are pure fun. But... for anyone who isn't a CS major... it is an exercise in frustration, because the mindset is alien |
| 04:52.26 | ArcanePariahClas | editor, to me, * |
| 04:55.03 | JacktheArcher | Yea that's true |
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| 05:58.34 | pirate | feels so good |
| 05:58.44 | pirate | after a few days of work |
| 05:59.05 | pirate | rewrote all my selection code |
| 05:59.15 | pirate | and now its responsive online AND has higher fps |
| 06:14.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 07:17.33 | Goa | anybody have tutorial map on how to use banks? |
| 07:19.35 | kingTD | yes |
| 07:19.58 | Ahli | yes |
| 07:20.23 | Ahli | but mine is complicated as it displays a proper way to use banks in a map |
| 07:20.24 | JademusSreg | Preload bank, load bank, verify, load section/key/value, enable signature verification, save. |
| 07:21.03 | Goa | Ahli found yours, will just link to the guy the forum posts who asked for it |
| 07:21.43 | kingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/62520-i-have-serious-problem/#p2 |
| 07:21.44 | kingTD | :d |
| 07:21.45 | Ahli | verify step: empty && broken => fine, it's a new, empty bank... else it's a broken/edited/corrupted bank => reset |
| 07:22.29 | Ahli | are you drunk? |
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| 07:22.55 | Ahli | kingTD: are you drunk? |
| 07:23.10 | kingTD | ahli do u drink? |
| 07:23.19 | Goa | he is always drunk |
| 07:23.19 | Ahli | no, but that post |
| 07:23.48 | Ahli | 3dsmax problem -> post bank example for sc2 |
| 07:24.12 | Zolden | kingTD whatd did you done to be asked about drunkness? |
| 07:24.21 | kingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/62520-i-have-serious-problem/#p2 |
| 07:24.41 | Ahli | yes, read the first post again |
| 07:24.57 | Zolden | kingTD good morenigg btw |
| 07:25.10 | kingTD | Zolden moregen u too |
| 07:25.32 | Ahli | are you sure you aren't accidentially posting in another thread? |
| 07:26.14 | kingTD | why u even so concerned? :D |
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| 07:27.08 | Ahli | I'm not sure if you aware of the first post not talking about a sc2 map problem... |
| 07:28.57 | kingTD | OMG NO WAY!!!! |
| 07:29.00 | kingTD | IM SO DRUNK |
| 07:29.05 | kingTD | I WILL GO TO BED NOW!!! |
| 07:29.06 | kingTD | ... |
| 07:29.09 | JademusSreg | What the fuck. |
| 07:31.16 | JademusSreg | Ah, non-native english. |
| 07:34.28 | Ahli | lol, completly altered post :D |
| 07:47.48 | Zolden | how to activate fog of peace? |
| 07:49.04 | Ahli | put it in a pipe and smoke it |
| 07:51.41 | Zolden | right, all marinces should do it, so when barracks open its door, thick fog of peace comes out, like in stoner comedies, when niggers open their car door |
| 07:52.17 | Ahli | or when they open their helmet *sc1 nostalgia* |
| 07:52.25 | Zolden | :)) |
| 07:52.26 | Zolden | yea |
| 08:07.38 | JademusSreg | Observation: Designing a Vector/Matrix API without operator overloading is an enormous steaming fuckswamp. |
| 08:11.54 | Zolden | maybe design operator overloading api first? |
| 08:13.23 | ArcanePariah | Hah, at that point, might as well write a game engine :P |
| 08:13.56 | ArcanePariah | Since how would you "add" 2 units? |
| 08:14.05 | ArcanePariah | Too many data types have no real way to overload |
| 08:15.36 | JademusSreg | http://deaod.de/GalaxyOperators.txt |
| 08:17.25 | ArcanePariah | So there ya go, Matrix/Vectors of any other data type would have to be done manually or is a waste of time |
| 08:17.56 | JademusSreg | Yep, thus why it annoys me. |
| 08:18.18 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so theory craft here, Blizzard 2.2 patch will be a prep patch for Storm, and merge Storm changes to SC2 base engine, along with stuff from our wishlist |
| 08:18.31 | ArcanePariah | Storm possible release sometime in the next 6 months |
| 08:18.52 | ArcanePariah | Or 6 months of 2.2 |
| 08:18.58 | ArcanePariah | So around end of year |
| 08:19.00 | Ahli | I would assume that storm receives a beta of 6 months |
| 08:19.19 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... so 2.2 and Storm come around june ish |
| 08:19.24 | ArcanePariah | Stomr beta* |
| 08:20.05 | JademusSreg | Oh, that reminds me. |
| 08:20.20 | JademusSreg | extracts strings from Herostorm. |
| 08:20.23 | ArcanePariah | Serverside banks will be introed with storm beta, and the (from our pov) unsuprising announcment to DL SC client with storm dependencies to make custom sc2 maps |
| 08:20.28 | ArcanePariah | custom storm maps* |
| 08:20.56 | ArcanePariah | Because, that is all to it really, swap out liberty/swarm dependencies for storm ones and you are good to go for storm |
| 08:21.28 | ArcanePariah | And random bet that even storm maps will permit extension mods of some kind |
| 08:21.37 | ArcanePariah | So take a given map and create subtle variations |
| 08:22.15 | Zolden | what about 2.2 at march? |
| 08:22.19 | Zolden | too optimistic? |
| 08:22.23 | ArcanePariah | I feel storm will be interesting because it inverts the current moba balance approach |
| 08:22.45 | ArcanePariah | Most mobas have fixed environment, and mostly fixed base layout, and mostly fixed neutral stuff, and alters players |
| 08:22.49 | ArcanePariah | Storm does the opposite |
| 08:23.04 | ArcanePariah | With mostly fixed players (no items), and vary the environment heavily |
| 08:23.10 | Zolden | storm seems to be a bunch of moba based arcade maps |
| 08:23.44 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but that makes for an interesting twist since a meta can never really develop hero wise, since heroes on one map or comps on one map may excel, but suck elsewhere |
| 08:24.23 | ArcanePariah | Like the one with the haunted mines, I would want either aoe chars to clear mines asap, or assaassins to take out anyone entering mines |
| 08:24.45 | ArcanePariah | But that wouldn't work for other maps |
| 08:25.03 | ArcanePariah | So it really permits any playstyle to do well, depending on circumstances |
| 08:25.29 | JademusSreg | Extraction complete. |
| 08:25.46 | JademusSreg | New natives. |
| 08:25.47 | ArcanePariah | And with rotating map pool, diversity is preserved, with no need to really balance the heroes much |
| 08:25.54 | ArcanePariah | 0.o? |
| 08:26.04 | ArcanePariah | This is the Storm alpha that was leaked? |
| 08:26.13 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 08:26.29 | ArcanePariah | squeals with glee |
| 08:26.31 | Ahli | did you open it or do you check it with a hex editor or what? |
| 08:26.37 | ArcanePariah | Gimme the goods, what did you find? |
| 08:26.48 | ArcanePariah | Nvm, make a paste and list it all :D |
| 08:26.52 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/HerostormPlay%20strings.txt |
| 08:27.45 | JademusSreg | Plenty of new natives. |
| 08:27.58 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... MenuShowNatives, and that whole group looks like the editor is getting major syntax highlighting stuff??? |
| 08:28.12 | ArcanePariah | oh wait |
| 08:28.16 | JademusSreg | Debugger. |
| 08:28.17 | ArcanePariah | that's strings for debugger I think |
| 08:28.19 | ArcanePariah | yeah |
| 08:28.19 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 08:28.57 | ArcanePariah | Well, what new natives, since my clumsy searches show me nothing |
| 08:29.22 | JademusSreg | Starts below line 13020. |
| 08:30.09 | ArcanePariah | Oh hai... why does it include the swarm dependency? |
| 08:30.25 | ArcanePariah | Did they just not bother to remove anything? |
| 08:30.29 | JademusSreg | Line 32296 refers to War3.SC2Mod |
| 08:30.47 | ArcanePariah | Ahhh.... good times, the models |
| 08:31.00 | ArcanePariah | IIRC, they plan to remaster all wc3 models |
| 08:31.15 | ArcanePariah | THey had orc heroes at blizzcon, and promised the rest |
| 08:31.36 | ArcanePariah | Oh here we go, a StormMap extension |
| 08:31.45 | ArcanePariah | Heroes/BuiltIn/(10)TryMeMode.StormMap |
| 08:31.46 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I can dig through that later. Meanwhile, vector and matrix code. |
| 08:32.40 | ArcanePariah | And of course, the entire game UI is done like normal SC2 one, should provide more built in frames and possible more usage for us to study? |
| 08:33.20 | ArcanePariah | lmfao, the game supports insanely small resolutions |
| 08:33.30 | ArcanePariah | 480X360 |
| 08:33.44 | ArcanePariah | Wtf is that... monochrome circa 1990? |
| 08:34.02 | ArcanePariah | Unless they somehow want this playable on a smartphone? |
| 08:34.09 | JademusSreg | Haven't bothered to run the client. If I did, might get some data, maybe not. |
| 08:34.25 | JademusSreg | Yeah, they're mentioned getting it running on mobile. |
| 08:34.33 | Ahli | BattlePay |
| 08:35.07 | Zolden | aren't there terrain deforming natives? |
| 08:35.38 | Ahli | "012A3EA0COW_LEVEL" |
| 08:35.48 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 08:36.08 | Ahli | ah, it's the bnet chat channel |
| 08:36.25 | Ahli | it's a sc2 thing |
| 08:36.50 | JademusSreg | Yeah, still lots of SC2 stuff embedded in the build. |
| 08:37.35 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, they will be taking debit,creditcards and paypal directly |
| 08:37.36 | Zolden | none of my browser can load that dropbox link |
| 08:38.20 | Zolden | oh, one opened |
| 08:39.10 | ArcanePariah | Ahh here we go |
| 08:39.11 | ArcanePariah | 0132DA2CMods/Heroes.StormMod |
| 08:39.11 | ArcanePariah | 0132DA44Mods/HeroesData.StormMod |
| 08:39.11 | ArcanePariah | 0132DA60Mods/Heroes.StormMod/Base.StormMaps |
| 08:39.13 | Zolden | why some actor names have ? at start and ptr at end, like ?CActorTerrainDeformerPtr |
| 08:39.28 | ArcanePariah | Possibly because they are wildly different then current ones? |
| 08:39.35 | ArcanePariah | Or at least newer with new features |
| 08:39.40 | JademusSreg | Naw, byte offset or some silly thing. |
| 08:39.50 | JademusSreg | It's common. |
| 08:40.15 | ArcanePariah | In any case, it does look like storm has its own named dependencies |
| 08:40.24 | ArcanePariah | and the editor is explicitly referenced |
| 08:40.33 | ArcanePariah | BlizzardEntertainment.HeroesOfTheStorm.HeroesOfTheStormEditor |
| 08:41.54 | ArcanePariah | Oh wow, unless they are just names of new frames, seems a bnuch of new frame types for the UI |
| 08:42.14 | ArcanePariah | CPageSelector |
| 08:43.06 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, what do you make of all the CFrameController entries? |
| 08:43.17 | ArcanePariah | Are those just properties of Frames? |
| 08:43.18 | Ahli | 0132D188Campaigns/Void.SC2Campaign |
| 08:43.29 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 08:43.30 | Ahli | 0132D1C4Mods/War3.SC2Mod |
| 08:43.45 | ArcanePariah | yep, they building LotV missions and War 3 data assets |
| 08:44.08 | ArcanePariah | Any bets they just put every asset ever into galaxy mods? |
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| 08:44.47 | ArcanePariah | Oh this is interesting, new dialog events I think |
| 08:45.06 | ArcanePariah | Can current triggers run off dialog items being hidden or shown? |
| 08:45.30 | ArcanePariah | Appears not |
| 08:45.54 | ArcanePariah | Bunch of new Dialog item event types, shown, hidden, enabled, disabled |
| 08:47.32 | Ahli | btw, storm is "medusa" |
| 08:47.39 | Ahli | 0137A018"Medusa (working title)" |
| 08:47.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:48.20 | Ahli | oh, sc2 was medusa already |
| 08:51.16 | Zolden | medusa? |
| 08:51.24 | ArcanePariah | New validator types |
| 08:51.42 | ArcanePariah | For food used, food made, food available |
| 08:53.12 | ArcanePariah | New location validator, if locatation is shrub, also one that checks for inside playable map area |
| 08:55.19 | ArcanePariah | Oh duh, really ought to see if we can fish out tooltips |
| 08:56.22 | Zolden | isn't there location texture type? |
| 08:56.32 | Zolden | to validate |
| 08:56.35 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, execellent, rectangle support for aoe stuff, reference here for create persistents to reveal a rectangle |
| 08:57.14 | ArcanePariah | There is an actor term I believe to check a location material |
| 08:57.32 | ArcanePariah | As for other good news, rectangles |
| 08:57.44 | ArcanePariah | Oops already said it, but anyhow |
| 08:57.52 | ArcanePariah | 013BEF6CRevealRectangleHeight |
| 08:57.52 | ArcanePariah | 013BEF84RevealRectangleWidth |
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| 09:00.31 | Ahli | cool |
| 09:00.54 | Zolden | can't we now paint textures on run? |
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| 09:03.01 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, new Actor |
| 09:03.11 | ArcanePariah | 013CA5E4CActorEventMacroRunnable |
| 09:03.42 | ArcanePariah | Wonder what makes it different then normal Event Macros |
| 09:05.44 | Zolden | what could SelectedUnitBorderColor and UnitBorderColor mean? |
| 09:06.15 | ArcanePariah | Welp, I'm off to sleep, I'll let JademusSreg apply his magic and derive what is the new stuff :D |
| 09:06.35 | JademusSreg | When I have time / feel like it, yep. |
| 09:09.36 | Bommes | good morning |
| 09:10.03 | turtles1 | morning |
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| 12:08.38 | Tolkfan | has anyone managed to crack open the hots alpha client files? :P |
| 12:09.05 | Zolden | Tolkfan jade posted strings |
| 12:09.15 | Zolden | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/HerostormPlay%20strings.txt |
| 12:11.14 | Zolden | Tolkfan were dependencies leaked too to grab the models? |
| 12:12.24 | Zolden | i heard that storm client won't be related to arcade, but there are arcade related strings there |
| 12:12.46 | Tolkfan | the whole client got leaked (2,5GB), but it doesn't have MPQ files, just some strange, un-openable "data" files :[ |
| 12:13.18 | Tolkfan | well, "un-openable" until someone figures it out :P |
| 12:13.27 | Zolden | what can tey contain? |
| 12:13.43 | Zolden | also, does it allow to play anything? |
| 12:13.46 | Tolkfan | models, data, everything |
| 12:13.55 | Tolkfan | you can see the login screen and options :P |
| 12:14.09 | Tolkfan | I didn't try loging in |
| 12:16.15 | Tolkfan | I just don't understand why would they pack everything into a new file format... it's the SC2 engine, where are mah MPQ?! :[ |
| 12:16.23 | Zolden | it also includes sc2 campaigns related strings, including lotv, so looks like it may be related to sc2 and therefore to arcade |
| 12:16.41 | Zolden | yea, strange |
| 12:17.21 | Zolden | maybe they are mpq and only require renaming the extensions? :) |
| 12:17.41 | Ahli | I tried opening them as mpq ^^ |
| 12:17.43 | Tolkfan | yeah, I tried that :P |
| 12:18.06 | Tolkfan | I bet that if we cracked open the new file format, we'd be able to open the maps and models in the sc2 editor |
| 12:18.25 | Ahli | that's likely |
| 12:18.46 | Ahli | or at least copy paste its data into sc2 maps |
| 12:19.15 | Tolkfan | and then publish it on the arcade! :D |
| 12:19.25 | Tolkfan | ... and get banned ;P |
| 12:20.14 | Ahli | is heroes of the storm name taken on arcade? |
| 12:20.18 | turtles1 | People are going to do that anyway aren't they? Doesn't stop some map hackers with 50+ accounts |
| 12:20.58 | turtles1 | Are blizzard just going to constantly sift through the arcade maps looking for imitations of HOTS and LOTV? |
| 12:21.46 | Tolkfan | they don't "sift" at all, they only react to reports by players |
| 12:22.18 | Tolkfan | but a clone copy of hots would get popular really fast |
| 12:23.37 | turtles1 | I think they will be kept busy swatting down clones |
| 12:24.23 | turtles1 | If someone can port it onto the arcade that is |
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| 12:54.15 | Zolden | Ahli in the start of this post, what did you mean under "there is no interaction between SC2 and Arcade" |
| 12:54.15 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/61712-wtf-is-blizzard-arcade-total-biscuit/?post=34 |
| 12:54.36 | Zolden | you meant "between storm and arcade"? |
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| 13:11.35 | Zolden | arrrgh |
| 13:12.21 | pirate | yar |
| 13:13.30 | Goa | yargh |
| 13:14.05 | Zolden | Goa so, bought any bitcoins? they are pretty low now |
| 13:15.46 | Goa | yeah |
| 13:15.51 | Goa | might buy some soon |
| 13:16.38 | Goa | though until the exchanges arent fixed I dont think I can even buy any:D |
| 13:16.48 | Zolden | if they survive, their price may be 10 times bigger in 1-2 years |
| 13:19.14 | Zolden | just imagine: all world currenties will fall to the ground, and only bitcoins will stay high and healthy, so, sonly bitcoins holder will become kings of the planet |
| 13:19.42 | Ahli | Zolden, storm and arcade |
| 13:19.56 | Zolden | ok |
| 13:23.27 | pirate | storm and arcade, zolden! |
| 13:24.00 | Zolden | i want more people to tell me "storm and arcade" |
| 13:27.03 | pirate | too bad |
| 13:27.10 | pirate | we're all out of people |
| 13:37.47 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, storm and arcade! |
| 13:41.14 | kingTD | Zolden, arcade and strom |
| 13:57.20 | Zolden | oh yeah! |
| 13:57.24 | Zolden | moar! |
| 13:58.23 | turtles1 | Acade, Zolden and storm |
| 13:58.47 | turtles1 | wait... :( |
| 14:04.15 | Zolden | it misses comma to be semantically equal |
| 14:05.48 | turtles1 | Sometimes I only use one bracket. { I do it to mess up semantics |
| 14:06.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:07.23 | Dustin|Work | http://www.gog.com/news/dungeon_keeper_for_free_dungeon_keeper_2_75_off |
| 14:07.49 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
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| 14:15.29 | Tolkfan | anyone have a general idea how to make a visual "cone of sight" that clips when there's an obstruction in the way? http://i.stack.imgur.com/m2upc.jpg like the red cone here, it doesn't go through the bushes |
| 14:16.59 | JademusSreg | Many approaches, all of them suck. |
| 14:17.19 | Kenoli | Define suck |
| 14:17.54 | pirate | intensive in development time and game memory? |
| 14:18.04 | JademusSreg | Arduous to implement, hacky workarounds, still won't cover general use cases. |
| 14:18.26 | Zolden | Tolkfan in game or in cutscene? |
| 14:18.33 | Tolkfan | in game |
| 14:19.01 | Tolkfan | http://i.imgur.com/gCieUWa.jpg I get the feeling this wont be enough xP |
| 14:20.01 | Kenoli | I made a vision thing for ahli the other day that would be a reasonably good solution |
| 14:20.25 | Kenoli | http://www.stardepot.org/uploads/kenoli/WallVision2.SC2Map |
| 14:20.28 | Ahli | well, he wants colored areas |
| 14:20.48 | Zolden | Tolkfan jsut spam "reveal region" along line with search for obstacles, and should be a fan of lines |
| 14:22.25 | Kenoli | For targeting an ability or some such? |
| 14:27.27 | Tolkfan | I just want a visual effect of a cone that clips on obstacles, the actual sight of the unit doesn't matter |
| 14:28.09 | Tolkfan | If anyone here played the stealth game Commandos, they know what I'm trying xP |
| 14:28.46 | kingTD | what u trying to fail about |
| 14:43.39 | JademusSreg | Enjoy the herostorm string extracts? |
| 14:49.39 | Tolkfan | how did you extract them and can you extract the rest? |
| 14:50.06 | Tolkfan | "the rest" models, data, etc |
| 14:50.55 | JademusSreg | There are lots of ways to get a string dump for an application image or in memory. |
| 14:51.46 | JademusSreg | As for the data, pretty sure the client needs to download it first. If someone wants to run the client and send me the files, I dig into them. |
| 14:52.40 | Tolkfan | the client is 2.5GB, I think all the assets are there |
| 14:52.53 | JademusSreg | (I've got the client, but don't intend to run it from my machines.) |
| 14:53.21 | JademusSreg | That's BTNData |
| 14:53.35 | JademusSreg | BattleNetData |
| 14:55.22 | Zolden | Tolkfan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=202o3Qqxd1k&feature=player_embedded#t=380 |
| 14:55.26 | Zolden | it's how I used it |
| 14:55.50 | JademusSreg | Oh, neat. Seems the data files even have their own format, or rather at least their own byte header. |
| 14:55.56 | Zolden | spammed "reveal region" along the line, with radius growing linearily with the range |
| 14:56.00 | Zolden | it's easy |
| 14:56.34 | Zolden | you just need to use multiple lines with smaller reveal radius, and each line should check for obstacles and stop revealing if one found |
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| 14:57.57 | JademusSreg | Many file types / file writing applications include a 4-char tag to first however many sequence of byte. Herostorm data files have BLTE. |
| 14:58.04 | Renee_ | Hey |
| 14:58.24 | Zolden | hey Renee_ |
| 14:58.26 | JademusSreg | Hallo Renee. |
| 14:58.39 | Renee_ | Just loged in, any news for the heroes client, JademuSreg? |
| 14:59.48 | JademusSreg | Only the string dump I linked earlier. I've been digging around between programming other stuff. |
| 15:00.00 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/HerostormPlay%20strings.txt |
| 15:00.16 | Renee_ | I'm out of home, and other CN people says they can't make any progress beyond launch the game. |
| 15:00.33 | kingTD | that tuci tuci :DDD |
| 15:00.37 | JademusSreg | String dump indicates many new actor and native additions. |
| 15:00.51 | Zolden | Renee_ waht about reading models from those data files no one knows how to read? any CN hackers working on it? |
| 15:01.36 | Renee_ | I guess no. |
| 15:02.49 | Tolkfan | Zolden, that's not what I want to achieve. The cone of sight isn't meant for my units. It's to show the vision range of enemy units, like in stealth games. |
| 15:03.16 | Renee_ | So Heroes=2.5.0 I wonder what would happen between 2.2-2.4? |
| 15:04.37 | Tolkfan | I don't think 2.5GB is just battle net data, mmo-champion managed to extract hero data and some images |
| 15:04.42 | JademusSreg | Anyone's guess, but assuming even a fraction of herostorm fork features are integrated into sc2, there will be many interesting additions. =D |
| 15:05.38 | JademusSreg | Tolk, herostorm is more stream-oriented. As it must be to hit the mobile platform target. |
| 15:05.44 | Dustin|Work | Lol i signed up for this Titanfall game beta not realizing it's only for Lamebox One =/ |
| 15:06.04 | JademusSreg | Not altogether different from the huge Battle.net mpq in the SC2 directory. |
| 15:06.04 | Zolden | Tolkfan then instead of revealing you need to place splat |
| 15:06.12 | Zolden | with the same technique |
| 15:06.40 | Dustin|Work | Oh Nm, i just got sent the wrong code lol |
| 15:07.02 | JademusSreg | A look at the strings in the data file image shows various media. |
| 15:07.20 | Renee_ | The data files seems to be some stream data to me, be there are some similarity with the old MPQ format |
| 15:08.21 | Renee_ | I can't get my hands fully on this today, though :( |
| 15:10.10 | JademusSreg | Nor can I. |
| 15:10.28 | Renee_ | Tried these things: Cmd-> Support\StormSwitcher.exe Heroes\BuiltIn\(10)TryMeMode.StormMap |
| 15:11.10 | Renee_ | It seems the map load like the old build map. Just can't bypass the licence check |
| 15:11.29 | Renee_ | * Old Built-in map |
| 15:13.14 | JademusSreg | Much as I'd like to dig further, distracts from more urgent activities. =D |
| 15:14.30 | JademusSreg | If anyone gets a lead on the file format, I'd be happy to extract everything. |
| 15:16.34 | Renee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.03 | Renee_ | -Next Generation Data Pipe or something.. |
| 15:17.12 | JademusSreg | Grab that from a byte header? |
| 15:17.47 | Renee_ | Yeah, not by me though. |
| 15:19.14 | Renee_ | It is strange that mmo champion seems get a lead. |
| 15:19.17 | JademusSreg | Hm. Hope those dreadful database files aren't necessary here. |
| 15:20.37 | JademusSreg | Fair probability it was a deliberate leak to maintain interest in the project. |
| 15:21.39 | JademusSreg | Generate some excitement or anticipation or such. |
| 15:21.57 | Renee_ | I believe these are not aimmed on encryption. More for streaming needs... |
| 15:22.00 | pirate | does anyone know the limit of the number of abilities a unit can have? |
| 15:22.15 | JademusSreg | I agree, Renee. |
| 15:23.11 | Ahli | pirate 32 |
| 15:23.24 | pirate | oh man |
| 15:23.28 | pirate | so low |
| 15:23.34 | JademusSreg | Use items. |
| 15:23.38 | pirate | hmm |
| 15:23.52 | JademusSreg | Specifically, Ability type items if you care about abilities specifically. |
| 15:24.13 | pirate | I mean, since I'm forgoing the command card entirely I could just execute effects |
| 15:24.31 | JademusSreg | The item class is limited to effect-type abilities, which makes it roughly as useful as the effect items, but whatever. |
| 15:24.34 | Renee_ | But I believe I find some signs for entering targeting-Mode trigger support |
| 15:24.40 | pirate | but abilities are nice ways to package actors and spell data like range |
| 15:24.59 | pirate | thanks jade |
| 15:25.09 | Renee_ | And commardcard dialog item or something |
| 15:25.18 | Renee_ | ->in heroes, of course |
| 15:25.36 | JademusSreg | Yes, the string dump is full of such delightful treats. |
| 15:25.38 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:26.56 | Renee_ | Oh, and Togglable item, so Behavior-Typed abilites at least |
| 15:31.13 | pirate | whats the limit on items/inventory slots a unit can have? |
| 15:34.58 | Renee_ | 6*8*8 |
| 15:34.58 | pirate | much better |
| 15:34.58 | pirate | and dynamic so it won't nearly matter as much |
| 15:34.58 | pirate | you guys are the best |
| 15:34.58 | JademusSreg | I agree. |
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| 15:40.14 | kingTD | :d |
| 15:41.03 | Bommes | Oh Renee, while you are here, remember the physics "introduction" video you made when 1.5 came out? With the marine ragdoll that got launched around. Would you mind explaining what your solution to letting the ragdoll float in water looked like? |
| 15:52.50 | JademusSreg | Silly Bom. |
| 15:53.07 | Deaod | these strings are kind of awesome |
| 15:53.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:53.23 | Deaod | anybody got exploits for zlib 1.2.3? |
| 15:53.28 | JademusSreg | My pleasure. I do it for every build of anything. |
| 15:54.42 | JademusSreg | It's fun, you can even see where the application calls on dll shit. |
| 15:55.28 | Deaod | stuff like "d:\work\branches\heroestechalpha1\code\game\contrib\domino\include\dmBuffer.h" |
| 15:56.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, build paths. |
| 15:56.35 | Deaod | of course, they compiled it with Visual Studio, so theres a list of all class names in the string table |
| 15:56.42 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 15:56.48 | JademusSreg | Quite handy. |
| 15:56.57 | JademusSreg | It's how I find " |
| 15:57.07 | JademusSreg | "hidden" UI frame classes and such. |
| 15:57.43 | Deaod | btw, what program are you using to dump all this? |
| 15:58.14 | Deaod | IDA? |
| 15:58.24 | JademusSreg | Could use any number of programs. I prefer HexWorkshop. |
| 15:58.50 | JademusSreg | I avoid decompiling binaries except when absolutely necessary. |
| 15:59.07 | JademusSreg | So definitely didn't use IDA for that. =D |
| 15:59.35 | Deaod | oh, the legal issues? |
| 15:59.40 | Deaod | hrmpf... |
| 15:59.48 | JademusSreg | Process Explorer is handy and stable, in case you want to dump from the application memory instead of the imagew. |
| 15:59.50 | Deaod | like anyone gives a fuck |
| 15:59.51 | JademusSreg | *image |
| 16:00.01 | JademusSreg | Hah, legal issues. |
| 16:00.45 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's just a huge pain in the ass forming a mental model of decompiled applications. |
| 16:01.15 | Deaod | well, if the only thing youre after is the string table, IDA might give you a much better approximation |
| 16:02.07 | JademusSreg | By all means, persuade me with results. =D |
| 16:02.23 | Deaod | got a relevant binary? |
| 16:02.52 | JademusSreg | It's available on the privateers' cove, if you seize my meaning. |
| 16:03.25 | Deaod | hm |
| 16:03.50 | Dustin|Work | lmao, egod is at it again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q2TqZNC_d0 |
| 16:04.33 | Deaod | did you use the game executable or the editor executable? |
| 16:05.08 | JademusSreg | The herostorm editor isn't currently available, iirc. |
| 16:05.43 | JademusSreg | Specifically, it's Play.exe. |
| 16:07.54 | Bommes | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/11580768030 well I guess we can leave now |
| 16:07.58 | Bommes | Arcade ded |
| 16:09.12 | Zolden | kingTD check our little send http://i.snag.gy/8sdpF.jpg |
| 16:10.28 | Bommes | :D Jade, don't blame me. Getting stuff to float is hard! |
| 16:10.54 | kingTD | tiny it is |
| 16:11.02 | Zolden | ;/ |
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| 16:14.51 | Goa | Zolden wow, you didnt die in MM:) |
| 16:16.15 | kingTD | he didnt play, he just got feedback image |
| 16:22.45 | Goa | haha |
| 16:22.46 | Zolden | :) |
| 16:27.22 | Goa | I will miss out this map night |
| 16:27.47 | Goa | but updated heroes of Entropy:) you can horribly die on it:D |
| 16:28.35 | duckies | I see, so that is how you decided to show me the viability of casters =D |
| 16:28.36 | Dustin|Work | I wanna play my smash TV this mapnight and get some feedback from everyone :D |
| 16:28.59 | Goa | duckies :D |
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| 16:54.59 | Zolden | pirate is it your hex grid thread? |
| 16:55.10 | pirate | affirmative |
| 16:55.17 | pirate | I am the only pirate in the game |
| 16:55.49 | pirate2 | not anymore |
| 16:55.56 | pirate2 | I pirate your name |
| 16:56.00 | pirate | I see this |
| 17:01.33 | Zolden | pirate does it use local actor stuff? |
| 17:01.45 | pirate | entirely |
| 17:02.11 | Zolden | do you think we can do beams locally? |
| 17:02.27 | Zolden | kueken told me we can, but I haven't tried yet |
| 17:02.39 | pirate | well, you can do anything locally with the FlyerHelper method |
| 17:02.55 | Zolden | what is it about? |
| 17:03.07 | pirate | I just used the 'unit highlight local' event as the basis for the hex grid demo |
| 17:03.20 | pirate | which (I think) gets around the flyer helper method |
| 17:03.22 | JademusSreg | Of course, there are the filter player messages. |
| 17:03.23 | pirate | but Im not sure |
| 17:03.34 | pirate | that too |
| 17:04.27 | Zolden | I want to do this: mouseclick -> beam apperas between click point and mouse cursor, another click -> beam stays between 1st and 2nd click points |
| 17:04.36 | Zolden | how would you do it clocally? |
| 17:04.39 | Zolden | locally |
| 17:05.27 | pirate | the mouse would have to click a dummy unit |
| 17:06.04 | pirate | so you could make a grid (or hex grid!) of opacity0 dummy units with your actor events |
| 17:06.20 | pirate | based off of UnitClickLocal.*.Start / Stop |
| 17:06.25 | Zolden | i see |
| 17:07.07 | Zolden | well, i'd rather prefer latency than spamming dummy units all around map |
| 17:07.22 | Zolden | and how do you do the line? |
| 17:07.29 | pirate | each has advantages/disadvantages |
| 17:08.10 | pirate | I'm able to use dummy units without real performance cost because they only cover one static area |
| 17:08.26 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:10.42 | pirate | are you using abilities? |
| 17:13.02 | Zolden | nope |
| 17:14.29 | pirate | yeah I got nothing then |
| 17:21.24 | turtles1 | Good night everyone. Rock on party people |
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| 17:34.01 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko4k_Ya4n6w |
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| 17:41.35 | pirate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OZU3fi08-o |
| 17:41.38 | pirate | is my favorite |
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| 17:46.13 | kingTD | :<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 17:59.08 | Dustin|Work | hmm I cant get player 15 to let me push his units |
| 18:00.59 | kingTD | hmm, seems likes we need to store reports of games played in other places since group messages is limited |
| 18:01.28 | pirate | is there an easy way to command a unit to use an item with a target ability |
| 18:01.34 | kingTD | and there was already some attempt to archive the messages, combine |
| 18:06.57 | Dustin|Work | Anyone know if theres something other than setting the alliance aspect Pushable to enable a players units to push another? |
| 18:07.28 | A1win | push priority for each unit |
| 18:07.45 | A1win | 0 or -1 makes it unpushable |
| 18:08.11 | kingTD | EU mapnight |
| 18:08.15 | kingTD | anyone will cum? |
| 18:08.22 | Dustin|Work | hmm |
| 18:08.30 | Dustin|Work | and I cant access that via behavior |
| 18:08.31 | Dustin|Work | damnit |
| 18:10.48 | duckies | yeah king td, we could post in in mapsters MN thread and hide it in spoiler, but we can't because mapster sucks =| |
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| 18:16.35 | Goa | have g map n |
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| 19:29.12 | pirate | since items are units does having lots of them impact performance? |
| 19:33.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 19:34.19 | JademusSreg | On the plus side, Morph and Train Morph allow units to be recycled. |
| 19:34.53 | JademusSreg | (Train morph being the zerg larva's train approach.) |
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| 19:40.18 | ArcanePariah | So.... Yoink |
| 19:40.34 | ArcanePariah | Any other interesting discoveries from Storm files JademusSreg? |
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| 19:41.32 | ArcanePariah | Sup Zolden, any hitler clones running loose now? |
| 19:41.53 | ArcanePariah | or are you going to add them to a custom storm map so you can watch them get blown away? |
| 19:42.52 | JademusSreg | I've been busy. Various interesting observations were made by others, though. |
| 19:43.10 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... should I simply examine the logs then? |
| 19:43.36 | JademusSreg | [10:24:41] <Renee_> But I believe I find some signs for entering targeting-Mode trigger support [10:25:16] <Renee_> And commardcard dialog item or something [10:27:04] <Renee_> Oh, and Togglable item, so Behavior-Typed abilites at least |
| 19:43.58 | JademusSreg | Some of the stuff Renee pointed out after I linked the string dump. |
| 19:44.08 | ArcanePariah | Ahh that last part is interesting, behavior type abilites for items |
| 19:44.34 | ArcanePariah | triggers on targeting would be interesting to say the least |
| 19:44.56 | JademusSreg | Yes. Being stuck with Effect type is shit. |
| 19:45.19 | Zolden | ArcanePariah hitler clones were sent to the past to conquer usa, but they decided to have another job http://ibigdan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/tumblr_n0up2egblk1rjdfzto1_500.gif |
| 19:45.19 | ArcanePariah | Behavior type opens many possiblities |
| 19:45.32 | ArcanePariah | LOL |
| 19:46.13 | Zolden | and i suggested hitler as hotst hero more than a year ago |
| 19:46.27 | ArcanePariah | hmm... appears more scores available for tracking |
| 19:46.57 | JademusSreg | If I had some information about the data format, I'd gladly extract the contents, trivial. |
| 19:48.37 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the patterning of the memory locations is strange, similar types of data ( at least grouped together) take differing amounts of offsets |
| 19:48.56 | ArcanePariah | Err wait |
| 19:49.05 | ArcanePariah | fails at remembering hex |
| 19:49.22 | ArcanePariah | Odd, looks like more mover types |
| 19:49.45 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/my2ys |
| 19:50.33 | ArcanePariah | lol @ UI editor support, ranges from 720*406 up to 4096*3072 |
| 19:50.46 | ArcanePariah | So phones to UHD resolutions |
| 19:51.09 | ArcanePariah | Hopefully the UI editor is fully functional with Storm |
| 19:51.16 | ArcanePariah | Would make custom UI's a snap |
| 19:51.35 | JademusSreg | Mobile platform deployment is a priority. |
| 19:51.45 | ArcanePariah | Ahh JademusSreg, more indication of inventory behavior items |
| 19:52.04 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/mp5rj |
| 19:52.08 | ArcanePariah | see the added button |
| 19:52.11 | ArcanePariah | buttons |
| 19:52.18 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 19:52.20 | ArcanePariah | namely the Toggle ones |
| 19:52.49 | JademusSreg | I strongly advise collating all the most interesting pieces of information and posting them in a mapster topic. |
| 19:53.22 | ArcanePariah | Agreed |
| 19:53.35 | JademusSreg | May wanna upload a copy of the string dump, as well, since I'd rather not have my dropbox bandwidth exceeded. |
| 19:55.43 | ArcanePariah | I'll create the post, general discussion sound good? |
| 19:56.19 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter to me, but sounds reasonable. |
| 19:56.20 | Zolden | i linked it btw on forum |
| 19:56.33 | JademusSreg | Since it concerns how the herostorm fork may affect sc2. |
| 19:57.21 | JademusSreg | Zol, please upload a copy. I'd be more than a little annoyed if my dropbox service suffered. =D |
| 19:58.00 | ArcanePariah | Nah I got it, creating a post now and will attach to it |
| 19:58.56 | ArcanePariah | Should I keep the first post updated with people's finds to make it easy to peruse? |
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| 20:03.43 | JademusSreg | If it pleases you; such organization is optimal. |
| 20:04.06 | ArcanePariah | Of course, I fail at formatting time ot learn a new syntax |
| 20:04.08 | ArcanePariah | grumbles |
| 20:04.21 | JademusSreg | Switch to safe html. =D |
| 20:04.46 | Zolden | JademusSreg should I never link your dropbox on forum anymore? |
| 20:05.28 | JademusSreg | Zol, it's fine for small files. The string dump exceeds MB, and can't predict how many people will view it. |
| 20:05.38 | JademusSreg | *1MB |
| 20:05.59 | ArcanePariah | Ok, done |
| 20:06.41 | ArcanePariah | I included memory offsets just to make it easier to find, though that may be redundant... Should I remove the memory offsets from the text fiel to make it smaller and easier to read? |
| 20:06.58 | ArcanePariah | Or will the offsets give clues to structure that may be useful to others? |
| 20:07.01 | JademusSreg | Either that or wrap it in a code block. |
| 20:07.20 | ArcanePariah | Well, I'm referring to the raw text file |
| 20:07.28 | ArcanePariah | Should I strip out the memory offsets? |
| 20:08.08 | JademusSreg | Either that or wrap it in a code block. Dunno the markup for it in wikichipotle, but should have one. |
| 20:08.36 | JademusSreg | <<code>> |
| 20:08.39 | JademusSreg | http://www.curseforge.com/wiki/knowledge-base/markup-types/ |
| 20:08.43 | JademusSreg | Thar we go. |
| 20:09.06 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the posting page has a link to all the markups |
| 20:09.12 | ArcanePariah | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/knowledge-base/markup-types/ |
| 20:09.30 | JademusSreg | <<code text>> would be ideal. |
| 20:10.00 | ArcanePariah | Yeah well, looks like crap, no line breaks... |
| 20:10.20 | JademusSreg | Haha, fucking wikicrap. |
| 20:10.56 | ArcanePariah | Well, how do I make it a hidden block? |
| 20:10.58 | JademusSreg | I prefer the html and bbcode. Less inscrutable. |
| 20:11.23 | ArcanePariah | Ok, sure, but don't know the syntax for those either... sigh... fucking web has to reinvent everything badly... |
| 20:11.57 | JademusSreg | iirc, Curse doesn't currently support it. Or at least not officially. |
| 20:12.43 | ArcanePariah | Wekk made it a code block, still looks like shit |
| 20:12.58 | ArcanePariah | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/62536-heroes-of-the-storm-string-dump/#p1 |
| 20:13.42 | ArcanePariah | Sadly enough, same shit I deal with at work |
| 20:13.56 | ArcanePariah | Making CSS/HTML/XML/XSLT look halfway decent.... |
| 20:14.08 | ArcanePariah | along with a bit of SQL |
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| 20:14.23 | ArcanePariah | Somebody kill me now :D |
| 20:14.25 | Zolden | ArcanePariah offsets are redundant since the entries are unique |
| 20:14.58 | ArcanePariah | True |
| 20:15.40 | ArcanePariah | Fixed |
| 20:17.28 | Zolden | if a fox eats a chicken at night in a hen-house, it leaves "foxed" note on its wall |
| 20:18.37 | JademusSreg | Misspelled my handle. =D |
| 20:18.38 | ArcanePariah | Also, another reason I think storm/2.2 patch is coming soon is that QA and devs have been posting in the editor section of the B.net forums with more frequency |
| 20:18.45 | ArcanePariah | Pfft |
| 20:19.21 | ArcanePariah | Fixed, you grammar/spelling nazi :D |
| 20:20.17 | JademusSreg | Sure, just my pseudonym, ApecaneParade. |
| 20:20.41 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 20:20.53 | ArcanePariah | So instead of a mystical outcast, I'm a primate brigade that carries sugar? |
| 20:21.01 | ArcanePariah | Sounds good to me |
| 20:21.20 | ArcanePariah | Might as well rename me Apinata |
| 20:21.40 | JademusSreg | Sugar or fashionable ambulation aids. |
| 20:23.29 | Zolden | ArcanePariah btw, I'm using the info you provided about coffeine after remembering stuff to remember it better, to learn english words. Soon, I'll understand all Jade say without using dictionary after each second word |
| 20:23.45 | Zolden | but then I'll start using all those words too, and other ppl willl complain that they don't udnerstand my |
| 20:24.27 | JademusSreg | Language is another toy with which to play, another medium for endless game. |
| 20:26.51 | Zolden | I'll be like "Blofaque fixfibule dorbago ilgst fnoarg of xtrengtz in libgs jurbagloe aerdongiund xwirboldargndt oxfiublatorium foilbd" |
| 20:27.25 | JademusSreg | Joyce's Zoldennigens Wake |
| 20:29.11 | ArcanePariah | Hehe |
| 20:45.14 | mille25 | ArcanePariah: Soon? Id expect it around summer. :D |
| 20:45.41 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but in blizzard time, that is "soon" |
| 20:45.49 | ArcanePariah | I also expect it to drop around june |
| 20:46.03 | mille25 | Everything earlier than that would be a miracle. |
| 20:46.10 | ArcanePariah | Indeed |
| 20:46.16 | ArcanePariah | A number of things I'm looking forward to |
| 20:46.20 | ArcanePariah | like rectangle search effects |
| 20:46.28 | ArcanePariah | Server side banks |
| 20:46.29 | ArcanePariah | etc. |
| 20:46.32 | mille25 | And then obviously the question is what would be included in 2.2? |
| 20:46.52 | Zolden | 2.2 at june? or hotst? |
| 20:46.58 | ArcanePariah | Well... looks like rectangle search effects, a number of new validators, behavior abilites for items |
| 20:47.01 | ArcanePariah | 2.2 |
| 20:47.05 | ArcanePariah | and possible storm beta |
| 20:47.19 | ArcanePariah | Storm I don't expect to see out till fall |
| 20:47.19 | mille25 | Got the rectangle search effects thing from the alpha leak? |
| 20:47.30 | ArcanePariah | Yes, plus a dev post |
| 20:47.33 | mille25 | Ah |
| 20:47.50 | mille25 | I honestly wish they would focus on the BIG things modders want pretty much since the release of Starcraft. |
| 20:47.56 | ArcanePariah | Specifically in the leak, rectangle width/height in the same grouping as persistent effects |
| 20:48.03 | ArcanePariah | so for reveal purposes |
| 20:48.07 | mille25 | Such as SSbanks, multiplayer campaigns and such |
| 20:48.16 | ArcanePariah | which indicates persistents can be rectangular |
| 20:48.29 | ArcanePariah | at least their reveals will be |
| 20:49.11 | ArcanePariah | also, storm has sepereat mods then sc2, but I think it will just be a save option |
| 20:49.38 | mille25 | Im wondering how storm mods will work. |
| 20:49.55 | ArcanePariah | Identical to sc2 mods i would assume |
| 20:50.28 | mille25 | Hmmm.. but would it really make sense to allow creation of RPGs and such? Id rather expect them all to be variations of the default MOBA game. |
| 20:50.35 | mille25 | Sort of melee-mappish |
| 20:51.06 | mille25 | To allow different maps with slightly seperate objectives, but not the creation of entirely new games. |
| 20:51.51 | mille25 | If they allow creation of everything, then the question would be what makes it different from the SC2 Arcade, and also what kind of assets will be used by modders? The default HOTS assets are very limited, and Starcraft assets would be weird. |
| 20:52.41 | mille25 | Or, even crazier, they may merge the sc2 and the hots arcade. :D |
| 21:11.06 | Tolkfan | I say it's going to be one big thing http://blizzardarcade.com/ It's called "Blizzard Arcade", not "Starcraft Arcade" ;) |
| 21:18.14 | mille25 | Yeah... would be quite awesome if HOTS would also include / point to the arcade |
| 21:18.23 | mille25 | or if the Arcade would even get completly independent |
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| 22:16.25 | Kenoli | http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon |
| 22:16.46 | Kenoli | Playing pokemon together |
| 22:16.48 | Kenoli | Very together. |
| 22:23.02 | Bommes | these guys are useless |
| 22:25.02 | Zandose | ? |
| 22:26.17 | Kenoli | They mostly just walk around in circles |
| 22:27.31 | kingTD | up |
| 22:27.33 | kingTD | left |
| 22:27.34 | kingTD | down |
| 22:27.42 | kingTD | play shitty 1 bit music |
| 22:29.58 | Zolden | TWOARGD!!!!! |
| 22:31.32 | kingTD | what u doing? |
| 22:33.03 | Zolden | twoargding you |
| 22:37.49 | Zolden | also turning my butt into sleeping configuration |
| 22:42.59 | kingTD | ohh jizz another moba |
| 22:43.04 | kingTD | inbrowser |
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