| 00:09.45 | Bounty | Where da yellow bitches at |
| 00:49.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836bc076@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.192.118) |
| 00:50.53 | DeadZergling | freenode is having issues today it seems |
| 01:22.40 | Ahli | maybe NSA is attacking it again |
| 01:25.00 | JademusSreg | Crabullock Shitwizzler. |
| 01:32.09 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxF74I3azDE |
| 01:32.10 | Bounty | \ |
| 01:32.12 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.02 | JademusSreg | Wat video? |
| 01:35.59 | Ahli | I don't get the first game :D |
| 01:36.16 | Ahli | or "mission" |
| 01:39.18 | DeadZergling | what are you linking us to Bounty? |
| 01:39.51 | Ahli | I assume his university work stuff |
| 01:40.37 | Ahli | but it's beautiful, bounty :D I don't get it, but it looks good... better than SCU ^^ |
| 01:44.41 | JademusSreg | Ahli, attribute any observed faults to the committee who put Bounty in designer hell. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell |
| 01:49.31 | DeadZergling | watched the first few mins, all I can say is |
| 01:49.35 | DeadZergling | wtf did i just watch |
| 01:52.25 | pirate | who is 'ArcaneDurandel'? |
| 01:52.40 | JademusSreg | pir, aka ArcanePariah, aka Arcane |
| 01:52.43 | JademusSreg | aka Arc |
| 01:52.55 | pirate | oh good he's here |
| 01:54.05 | pirate | what did I do wrong that my actor query responses that they only occur once |
| 01:54.30 | pirate | ie, once a doodad has left the radius, it doesnt update when it enters a second time |
| 01:56.45 | Bounty | I so did not mean to link that video |
| 01:56.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:56.58 | Bounty | wtf |
| 01:57.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:57.45 | Bounty | anyways |
| 01:58.00 | Bounty | How goes development Jade? |
| 01:59.05 | JademusSreg | Goes well. Should implement the first iteration of the physics and controls tonight. |
| 02:04.35 | pirate | whatchu making |
| 02:04.47 | DeadZergling | well not only did you link it, John Spufera, but it shows 5 other videos you put on that youtube account too |
| 02:05.00 | JademusSreg | PCVD |
| 02:05.21 | ArcanePariah | pirate, you have an issue with a querey response? |
| 02:05.24 | ArcanePariah | query* |
| 02:06.31 | pirate | yeah sec |
| 02:07.41 | pirate | nvm, I cant make a gif small enough :( |
| 02:08.07 | pirate | basically the the radius enter queries only work once |
| 02:08.43 | ArcanePariah | switch to XML mode and paste the XML |
| 02:09.01 | ArcanePariah | For the region actor, and for the query response actor |
| 02:10.22 | pirate | yup sec |
| 02:10.35 | pirate | thats what I get for running IRC and galaxy on different machines |
| 02:10.57 | pirate | http://pastebin.com/VzsRCv59 |
| 02:13.22 | DeadZergling | never really thought of Bounty as being a John Spufera though |
| 02:13.34 | Bounty | I'm not |
| 02:13.54 | Bounty | mis pasted link |
| 02:13.56 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:14.01 | DeadZergling | ah, well I think I will refer to you as that now anyways |
| 02:14.07 | DeadZergling | Fuhrer John Spufera |
| 02:17.13 | pirate | fixed it- no idea how though |
| 02:21.20 | pirate | muah hah hah hah hah |
| 02:21.57 | pirate | and i am one step closer to my data driven combat hex grid highlighting system |
| 02:24.53 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 02:25.16 | pirate | it was working fine offline |
| 02:25.20 | pirate | and then I realized latency |
| 02:25.24 | pirate | so now I'm rebuilding |
| 02:34.39 | JademusSreg | Tinkered with data-based unit cell movement a few weeks ago. Nothing special, just mildly interesting. Using units as the cells has a number of advantages (and obvious disadvantages where memory/resources are concerned). https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/TerrainCells.SC2Map |
| 02:35.07 | pirate | is that the one with the hills? |
| 02:36.20 | JademusSreg | Maybe, hills is a bit vague. |
| 02:36.51 | pirate | white cubes over black hilly terrain and a reaper you posted a couple days ago |
| 02:36.59 | JademusSreg | Ah, correct. |
| 02:37.06 | pirate | yeah it was pretty |
| 02:37.51 | pirate | I'm also using units as cells |
| 02:38.08 | pirate | which I'm sure I'll have to optimize later |
| 02:41.08 | JademusSreg | Dynamic memory allocation for units versus static memory allocation for a predefined finite set of world-positioned structures. Both can be terrible, not certain units-as-cells can so easily be optimized out, |
| 02:48.35 | pirate | not with that attitude! |
| 02:56.39 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:19.17 | Bounty | Best description for a game ever |
| 03:19.19 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/11675697576 |
| 03:20.24 | JademusSreg | Wow. |
| 03:21.50 | Bounty | Thats the one to beat guys, get on it! |
| 03:24.15 | DeadZergling | Bounty has to be trolling there |
| 03:24.40 | Bounty | Honestly, I am not even sure that guy is not the one who is trolling here |
| 03:25.03 | JademusSreg | Who wants to wager it's a goatse map? |
| 03:25.14 | DeadZergling | goatse? |
| 03:31.20 | EMCHAMP | what folder do the sc2 editor screenshots go into? |
| 03:31.34 | JademusSreg | Screenshots =D |
| 03:31.57 | EMCHAMP | nvm found xD its under documents > SC2 > Screenshots |
| 03:32.04 | EMCHAMP | makes sense |
| 03:34.48 | DeadZergling | ah, that is what goatse means, is worse than my assumption |
| 03:34.57 | DeadZergling | thought it was mis-spelled goatsex at first |
| 03:40.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:41.09 | JademusSreg | You've seen the other side of the wormhole, Deadz. |
| 03:58.00 | DeadZergling | naw, I just saw a text description |
| 03:58.07 | DeadZergling | didn't have to see the image |
| 03:58.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:59.44 | DeadZergling | anyways, i'm outta here for now |
| 03:59.53 | DeadZergling | probably appear again when I'm having stupid camera issues, lol |
| 04:07.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli_ (~asdaaaaa@dslb-092-073-197-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:07.54 | Ahli_ | http://i.snag.gy/NDqdW.jpg tournament, hurr |
| 04:07.57 | Ahli_ | http://i.snag.gy/NDqdW.jpg tournament, hurr |
| 04:09.11 | JademusSreg | Whathef. |
| 04:09.48 | Ahli_ | 24h disconnect while playing HS -> this screen :D |
| 04:18.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-0-68.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 04:35.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@c-67-180-210-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:37.22 | JademusSreg | Meatorque Splatterham. |
| 04:37.31 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 04:40.59 | JademusSreg | Wat's up Arc? |
| 04:41.30 | ArcanePariah | Not much, recoding NotD 1 Ammo system a bit, doing some abstraction. It currently is somewhat buggy, being entirely trigger driven |
| 04:41.40 | ArcanePariah | NotD 2 will be more data driven with charges |
| 04:41.53 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 04:43.01 | ArcanePariah | NotD 1 features variable reloading, in that how you reload affects the reloading. If the players let the game auto reload, it goes slower, and on Nightmare, doubles the reload time. If the player uses an ability that is caught by triggers, the reload throws away current rounds in magazine, but reloads faster. Even faster if you can time the reload to be when you are near out of ammo in a given magazine |
| 04:44.41 | JademusSreg | Right, Gears of War's active reload mechanic. |
| 04:46.25 | ArcanePariah | Sure, I didn't know where it came from, just that's how it works |
| 04:46.50 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:57.29 | pirate | line and cone abilities will be my downfall |
| 04:59.10 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:59.41 | ArcanePariah | Cones are fairly easy, lines are less, but at least (or so blizzard has indicated) there is linear search effects coming |
| 05:00.11 | JademusSreg | Er, lines are easy, |
| 05:00.24 | ArcanePariah | Lines of width 0 sure |
| 05:00.35 | ArcanePariah | Lines of non 0 width are also easy but tedious... |
| 05:00.41 | JademusSreg | Ah, column. |
| 05:00.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:00.47 | JademusSreg | Or stripe. |
| 05:01.02 | ArcanePariah | Correct, any rectangular shape search can not be done accurately atm |
| 05:01.04 | pirate | oh, not the abilities themselves, getting responsive indicators for them |
| 05:01.11 | ArcanePariah | or in an elegant way |
| 05:01.20 | ArcanePariah | Oh... you mean actors? |
| 05:01.21 | JademusSreg | pir, quad and arc actors. |
| 05:01.26 | ArcanePariah | IN which case, easy as hell :D |
| 05:01.29 | pirate | hex grid is pretty, but not so great with aiming |
| 05:01.40 | pirate | dynamic rotation in response to mouse though? |
| 05:01.45 | pirate | thats what Im stuck on |
| 05:01.46 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 05:01.58 | ArcanePariah | Did you play HotS campaign? |
| 05:02.01 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 05:02.09 | pirate | without actual abilities |
| 05:02.23 | JademusSreg | Why would actors need abilities? |
| 05:02.26 | ArcanePariah | If so, refer to Zerg Kerrigan |
| 05:02.39 | ArcanePariah | And her charge attack ability, that runs through enemies |
| 05:02.40 | pirate | for aiming a cone to work, doesnt it need to be hooked up to an ability? |
| 05:02.53 | ArcanePariah | Sure, to the targeting of said ability |
| 05:02.59 | ArcanePariah | Which is easily done |
| 05:03.15 | ArcanePariah | Actors can be created when an ability goes into targeting |
| 05:03.29 | ArcanePariah | See: Raynor Snipe, Kerrigan Dash, amonth others |
| 05:03.33 | pirate | except I'm not using abilities :/ |
| 05:03.39 | ArcanePariah | So what are we using? |
| 05:03.56 | pirate | dialog driven buttons - i'm making a tactics rpg |
| 05:04.09 | JademusSreg | Actors are the most flexible data type in SC2. |
| 05:04.19 | pirate | and I love them and also hate them |
| 05:04.51 | JademusSreg | What you want to do can definitely be done. |
| 05:04.54 | pirate | figured out beautiful responsive aoe's for my grid but I'm stuck on angled 'abilities' |
| 05:06.01 | ArcanePariah | May have to reference JademusSreg here, I can not quite remember how I would go about this, but Actors can be set up to follow the cursor pretty easily |
| 05:06.02 | pirate | can you set an actor to face the point of another through data? |
| 05:06.03 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: Ability class item activation counts as an ability for actor purposes. |
| 05:06.17 | ArcanePariah | Oh nice |
| 05:06.18 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:06.25 | ArcanePariah | pirate, absolutely |
| 05:06.33 | pirate | how so? |
| 05:06.53 | ArcanePariah | The term "bearings" referes the to the direction an actor faces, you can use siteops to force the bearings towards another actor |
| 05:07.02 | ArcanePariah | or use messages to set the bearing |
| 05:07.13 | ArcanePariah | and have it look around for another actor |
| 05:07.20 | JademusSreg | Many ways, as is often the case. |
| 05:07.29 | JademusSreg | There are LookAt actors. |
| 05:08.03 | pirate | is there a way for 'Actor A' to send a message to 'Actor B' that says 'face me' no matter where the two are in relation to each other? |
| 05:08.09 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 05:08.22 | JademusSreg | References may be involved if dealing with such rotation through messages, and its best to avoid global scope. |
| 05:08.49 | ArcanePariah | When actor A is created, use a RefSet message, and give itself a reference, and then you can have Actor B send a message to said reference |
| 05:08.56 | JademusSreg | Dunno how many times I've heard "All my models disappeared!" |
| 05:09.00 | ArcanePariah | LOL |
| 05:09.41 | pirate | well, in my scenario any hex tile is going to need to count as an A and a B |
| 05:09.44 | ArcanePariah | Ya know... JademusSreg, a possible way to avoid that is to set the External Finder flag, it places that actor in global scope, but only that one, if I understood the new tooltip correctly |
| 05:10.02 | ArcanePariah | So you can have conditional global scope actors |
| 05:10.12 | ArcanePariah | Kind of a inbetween of scopes and signaling |
| 05:10.43 | pirate | I need to go to bed |
| 05:10.54 | pirate | but I think I know how I'll spending all of tomorrow |
| 05:10.59 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, signals, lists, et cetera. So many possible approaches. |
| 05:11.16 | pirate | I like signals, they seem simple enough |
| 05:11.36 | ArcanePariah | Yes, they are powerful because they are actor messages with no target |
| 05:11.47 | pirate | my problem has with the 'face me' part of the equation |
| 05:12.12 | ArcanePariah | It is the difference between calling a person (actor messages) and putting said message on broadcast (signals) |
| 05:14.47 | pirate | I'll be back but can either of you point me where to look for making an actor face/follow the mouse through data without ability activation |
| 05:15.19 | JademusSreg | For an A-to-B, since you use units, there are a number of events that should allow you to use the cursor to set a reference to a unit's actor, useful for facing and targeting. |
| 05:15.22 | pirate | (it would be fantastic if you could target abilities through data) |
| 05:15.36 | JademusSreg | You can order abilities, yes. |
| 05:15.50 | pirate | yeah but the visual targeting |
| 05:15.52 | JademusSreg | Targeting mode, no. |
| 05:15.56 | pirate | would be nice |
| 05:17.02 | pirate | sigh maybe I should just rework the ui and have it use data abilities |
| 05:18.27 | JademusSreg | Items are more versatile if you want to support customization. |
| 05:18.41 | JademusSreg | Tactical games without customization are disappoint. |
| 05:21.00 | EMCHAMP | I'm looking at an out of date tutorial that says when you duplicate a unit, you have to select it's "Weapon - Photon Cannon Weapon" under "Units" but it doesn't exist in the unit properties. THere is a separate unit that is called "Weapon - Photon Cannon Weapon", do I duplicate that or just ignore this instruction |
| 05:23.19 | Ahli_ | that's the result of the bug/change that made duplications not display the stuff within weapons anymore |
| 05:24.51 | EMCHAMP | I guess ill just try duplicating the separate unit then |
| 05:25.05 | JademusSreg | Or better, don't duplicate. |
| 05:27.45 | EMCHAMP | What do you mean |
| 05:28.00 | EMCHAMP | dont duplicate the base unit? or the separate one |
| 05:28.30 | JademusSreg | Unlike WC3's editor, one can add entirely new data, don't need to duplicate. |
| 05:36.28 | turtles1 | anyone know how the rotate function works? it takes a string input and seems to want a string of 6 values |
| 05:36.56 | turtles1 | I'm guessing values 4,5,6 define the models orientation |
| 05:37.04 | JademusSreg | Forward and Up rotational vectors. |
| 05:37.06 | JademusSreg | Normalized. |
| 05:37.13 | turtles1 | and values 1,2,3 rotate it w.r.t the orientation? |
| 05:37.21 | JademusSreg | They all do. |
| 05:38.06 | JademusSreg | It's just two normalized rotational vectors, for Forward and Up. |
| 05:38.10 | turtles1 | ohhhhh... |
| 05:39.03 | turtles1 | hmmm, so (0,0,1) will rotate around the "up" axis? |
| 05:39.22 | turtles1 | wait, nvm |
| 05:40.50 | JademusSreg | For reference, see the examples in rotation siteops, like the local rotation siteops in Core. |
| 05:51.24 | Ahli | how do I rotate an actor when I want to over time? |
| 05:51.54 | JademusSreg | Well, there are Transition and Curve actors for handling such things. |
| 05:52.26 | Ahli | like... having a death model standing with a blood fountain attached... then I want it to rotate and offset, if possible, so it looks like it's falling backwards as it's dead |
| 05:53.54 | JademusSreg | I'd strongly suggest using Transition actor, as it's well-suited to controlling actors along sets of configurable curves. |
| 05:54.45 | Ahli | which type is that? |
| 05:59.17 | turtles1 | How do you format the rotational vector into a string? |
| 05:59.45 | turtles1 | say I have the unit vector (3 values) and a magnitude, how do I put that in string format? |
| 06:00.47 | JademusSreg | Did you look at the standard examples, turt? |
| 06:00.59 | JademusSreg | Ahli, Transition actor. |
| 06:01.10 | JademusSreg | It's a distinct type. |
| 06:01.45 | JademusSreg | Probably aren't many examples of Transition actors. |
| 06:02.09 | turtles1 | Looking at things like "SOp roll clockwise 90" which is (-1,0,0) |
| 06:02.40 | turtles1 | which I'm guessing is defining the vector around which the rotation occurs? |
| 06:04.17 | turtles1 | oh wait, no (-1,0,0) is defining what "up" is. which makes sense because that would rotate the model clockwise 90 |
| 06:04.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:04.42 | turtles1 | ok, think I got it from here |
| 06:05.08 | turtles1 | wikipedia says rotational vectors are not normalized |
| 06:05.12 | turtles1 | had me all confused |
| 06:05.32 | turtles1 | it defines a rotational vector as a normalized vector multiplied by a magnitude |
| 06:05.34 | Ahli | JademusSreg: so something like ZergBloodSetBleedTransitionSmall? |
| 06:05.44 | Ahli | a queried actor |
| 06:05.50 | JademusSreg | Ahli, nope. |
| 06:06.40 | Ahli | I'm confused... I can't see any actor type transition |
| 06:06.44 | JademusSreg | One moment while I find it. |
| 06:07.38 | Ahli | Else I would think about the cutscene editor, but I don't know if it stuff can just be played at a point while the rest of the map doesn't care about it |
| 06:08.35 | JademusSreg | I'll be very annoyed if it's been removed. |
| 06:10.46 | JademusSreg | Curve and Transition actor messages located. |
| 06:11.24 | Ahli | so, message? |
| 06:11.44 | JademusSreg | Phew, for a moment I thought I daimed my bramage. |
| 06:12.10 | Ahli | but I'm tempted to play with the cutscene editor for this... |
| 06:12.14 | Ahli | hmmm :D |
| 06:15.53 | Ahli | sooo, tenarsis, teach me how to do stuff in the cutscene editor... |
| 06:16.23 | JademusSreg | Question or statement? |
| 06:17.42 | Ahli | statement... he is the hero in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzAiVSn7Ua0 |
| 06:18.18 | Bounty | Oh dear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt33sfjIWms |
| 06:20.04 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 06:20.52 | Ahli | but it's 2D |
| 06:21.09 | Bounty | so? lol |
| 06:21.11 | JademusSreg | Though it begs the question: if you're in space, why would you ever choose to be on the same plane as your enemies? |
| 06:21.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:21.42 | Bounty | Photon Discs was 2D |
| 06:21.55 | Bounty | 3D is not worth it lol |
| 06:22.02 | JademusSreg | "I know it's not 3d" |
| 06:22.30 | Ahli | yeah, but when you make a space ship game where you need to target yourself... |
| 06:22.49 | JademusSreg | Haha, wat |
| 06:25.43 | Ahli | target with mouse look |
| 06:25.43 | Ahli | in photon discs it makes sense as your discs hover over the ground |
| 06:25.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, hah. |
| 06:25.44 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, for being in the same plane, it depends what you mean by "same" plane |
| 06:25.44 | JademusSreg | You know damn well what I mean. =D |
| 06:25.44 | ArcanePariah | If fighting in deep space, orientation has basically no meaning. If fighting in a star system, there would be advantages related to gravity of various objects in system. |
| 06:25.58 | Bounty | I gonna had 3D arenas with 2D combat |
| 06:26.01 | Bounty | have* |
| 06:26.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:26.08 | Bounty | Hopefully it works out >.< |
| 06:26.28 | Ahli | I can't rename cutscenes I just added... ahhh |
| 06:26.30 | Ahli | can you? |
| 06:26.44 | JademusSreg | More efficient to both disperse your forces relative to the enemy field of fire while also maximizing your own. |
| 06:27.48 | ArcanePariah | True, but there are dangers to that, if you spread your forces too much, becomes easy to isolate and pick them off, also, misses by your own forces risk friendly fire |
| 06:27.59 | JademusSreg | Or to put it differently, a 2d space combat game is silly as musketmen making lines in front of one another to shoot. |
| 06:28.07 | ArcanePariah | EVE Online I imagine is fairly accurate in mechanics |
| 06:28.34 | Bounty | How would you feel about 3D environment with 2D combat JademusSreg? In the sense of a game like Photon Discs |
| 06:28.49 | JademusSreg | Superficial. |
| 06:28.51 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:29.18 | Bounty | Can anyone explain whether or not what he just said is bad or good? |
| 06:32.48 | Ahli | dunno, I have my own opinion |
| 06:32.57 | ArcanePariah | My interpretation is that the 3d environment would be superficial and thus unnecessary. It woud be like adding multiple 3d views to a chess game |
| 06:35.20 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, is there any performance gain to using modify varaibles over sets, other then cleaniness of code? |
| 06:35.34 | ArcanePariah | So using Var++ instead of Var = Var + 1 |
| 06:37.10 | Bounty | What if the projectiles were brought down to the lowest level? |
| 06:37.13 | turtles1 | In basic languages like C, the answer is no. In more complicated languages like C++ the answer is yes, in galaxy script? no idea |
| 06:37.27 | Bounty | So you could fire from above and they will eventually land on the bottom and continue travelling |
| 06:37.34 | JademusSreg | Arc, in galaxy, compiles to the same thing. |
| 06:37.45 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so really just for readability |
| 06:37.54 | ArcanePariah | (Which is important as all hell tbh...) |
| 06:50.25 | *** part/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-0-68.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 06:51.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@dslb-092-073-197-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:13.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster rts (~rtschutte@ip72-220-22-237.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 07:21.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kueken (~Kueken@brsg-4dbb16ee.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 07:44.54 | EMCHAMP | hmm I have a trigger set for a unit to move to a certain point like 30 feet away from it on flat land...why does it insist on going backwards up a cliff =.= |
| 07:45.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:46.16 | EMCHAMP | i tried setting cliffs off limit which kinda worked and then making setting pathing in a straight line towards the point..no avail |
| 07:48.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster rtschutter (~rtschutte@ip72-220-22-237.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 07:50.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 07:57.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Goa (~hookah604@91-82-141-238.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 07:59.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster shintah (bebble@h-123-173-146.a336.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 08:06.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bommes (~Bommes@ipkn-70.koenigsnet.rwth-aachen.de) |
| 08:09.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster kingTD (~Administr@78-60-26-40.static.zebra.lt) |
| 08:14.09 | kingTD | nanannanan |
| 08:14.11 | kingTD | batman |
| 08:16.04 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 08:17.15 | Ahli | I've only required 11 blood geyser models to make Diablo bleed during the whole cutscene |
| 08:17.47 | Zolden | making diablo death cutscene? |
| 08:18.35 | Ahli | yeah :D since it has no death model >_> |
| 08:18.49 | Ahli | and heroes diablo model is in a far distance |
| 08:19.21 | Ahli | I've learned to make basic cutscene stuff, yay |
| 08:29.26 | kingTD | http://vimeo.com/86014703 |
| 08:31.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 08:31.54 | Bounty | peow |
| 08:32.23 | Bommes | poof |
| 08:37.50 | Ahli | what a dick move |
| 08:41.56 | ArcanePariah | ??? |
| 08:42.42 | Ahli | the video |
| 08:43.02 | Ahli | NSFW, btw |
| 09:04.50 | Zolden | robocop imba |
| 09:05.04 | Goa | dicks are imba |
| 09:31.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-204.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 09:47.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bommes|2 (~Bommes@ipkn-70.koenigsnet.rwth-aachen.de) |
| 10:21.24 | Goa | great, ragnaros in HS arena, I silence it and next turn the guy gives wind fury to it |
| 10:24.24 | Ahli | I've played vs someone that used that alarmobot to spawn dragons in the first few turns... so, on turn 3, he had the legendary dragon with 4 12 that gives him dream cards... then faceless manipulator to duplicate it and spawn two 7 6 dragons with alarmobot again... I was so dead in that match... |
| 10:25.25 | A1win | pretty small chance to pull that off |
| 10:27.19 | Ahli | yeah, but he did it vs me... I don't think I had a real chance to win with any deck I could have build ;D |
| 10:28.08 | Goa | :) |
| 10:28.41 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/hsct2.jpg screenshot of it |
| 10:30.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster EntityEnigma (629696b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.150.150.178) |
| 10:32.41 | EntityEnigma | I'm having an issue getting lurker attack spike models to link to my lurker unit |
| 10:32.44 | EntityEnigma | anyone able to help? |
| 10:33.25 | EntityEnigma | it looks like when I made the new spike models they stayed linked to the old lurker spike attack |
| 10:33.29 | EntityEnigma | how could i change it |
| 10:45.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kenoli (Kenoli@72.238.78.95) |
| 11:16.33 | Zolden | just create spikes at damage target point |
| 11:31.56 | Goa | http://brokenalliances.com/forums/showthread.php/15867-I-made-a-program-to-avoid-autokick :) |
| 11:44.53 | kingTD | someone already showed this |
| 11:44.59 | kingTD | link staff |
| 11:45.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 11:45.31 | kingTD | mb on other page |
| 12:05.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-230-147.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 12:27.08 | kingTD | elder scrolls online seems like will fail hard |
| 12:28.45 | Goa | haha |
| 12:35.35 | kingTD | 60$ for box + 15$ a month. have those collectors editions that add new race... and u get some what worse than anything else already in the MMO scene and it gives almost nothing that Elder Scrolls gives in not linear questing and quite satisfing exploration. |
| 12:36.57 | Goa | And some in some month when they realize that their business model sucks, they will make the whole thing free |
| 12:40.03 | kingTD | yep when it will not sell and noone will be playing it |
| 12:41.43 | kingTD | at least they would change the monthly payment, then it would bring more but still not enough as that entry fee is quite a barrier for more people playing it |
| 13:07.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster rts (~rtschutte@ip72-220-22-237.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 13:33.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@c-67-180-210-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 13:37.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster rtschutter (~rtschutte@ip72-220-22-237.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 14:03.49 | Goa | what function enables change alliance with the top right ui stuff? |
| 14:20.16 | rtschutter | lol dammit zolden |
| 14:20.24 | rtschutter | I can't find a good way to implement an autofollow camera |
| 14:20.28 | rtschutter | they all seem shitty |
| 14:21.08 | Zolden | what shift + ctrl + f do? |
| 14:21.22 | Zolden | can we auto-do the same with a trigger? |
| 14:21.39 | rtschutter | not that I can find |
| 14:21.45 | rtschutter | there is a follow function but it blows balls |
| 14:21.51 | rtschutter | it doesn't follow the unit exactly |
| 14:22.29 | Zolden | maybe you could do a periodic trigger, that would smoothly move player's camera to unit's point? |
| 14:22.57 | Zolden | smooth enough to not shake the view, but fast enough to not miss he fast unit |
| 14:23.16 | rtschutter | everything I try like that seems choppy |
| 14:23.24 | rtschutter | you can smooth it out but then it is too slow |
| 14:23.28 | rtschutter | for things like blinking etc |
| 14:24.01 | Zolden | maybe attach camera to unit's model and use it as main player camera? that would do the smoothest |
| 14:32.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster rts (~rtschutte@ip72-220-22-237.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 14:57.43 | kingTD | Goa in game variants u set unlocked alliances |
| 15:09.36 | Goa | but its unlocked |
| 15:14.26 | kingTD | ... |
| 15:27.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@dslb-092-073-197-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:45.45 | Ahli | what does force visible on portraits do? force it to appear before the model with in was loaded? |
| 15:45.58 | Ahli | portrait dialog items |
| 15:49.43 | Goa | fuck fuck fuck |
| 15:49.46 | Goa | editor crashed |
| 15:49.58 | Goa | lost my whole terrain that I did under 20 min:D |
| 15:50.34 | Dustin | Ah that sucks |
| 15:50.35 | Ahli | ctrl + s every 20 seconds |
| 15:50.58 | kingTD | or just dont crash editor in the first place |
| 15:51.00 | Dustin | The fact that the game backs up a copy when u test has saved me so many times |
| 15:51.16 | Goa | didnt test it:D |
| 15:51.31 | Dustin | Yeah with terrain work I never test either |
| 15:51.35 | Dustin | Sucks when it crashes |
| 15:51.35 | Goa | I have auto save every 20 min so I am not pressing ctrl s every 20 sec |
| 15:52.02 | Dustin | I had done like an hour of terrain work and didnt save then i accidentily dida Fill Texture tool, and this was back when ti crashed a lot lol |
| 15:52.09 | Goa | I wasnt even using the editor when it crashed btw... |
| 15:52.20 | Dustin | lol that sucks |
| 15:52.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tomura (~Tomura@HSI-KBW-134-3-182-235.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 15:52.46 | kingTD | :DDD |
| 15:53.05 | Dustin | Omg these revelaers are gonna piss me off |
| 15:53.11 | Bommes | Ahli, I would like to know too |
| 15:53.15 | Dustin | Disabling and then Destroying it does jack shit |
| 15:53.17 | Bommes | so if you find out, tell me if possible |
| 16:04.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster Raziel (~Raziel@2a01:388:201:4190:84b4:afbc:b1c6:936b) |
| 16:07.21 | Dustin | Anyone know if you have to use the Update Revelear function after you destroy it ? |
| 16:08.08 | Dustin | No that wouldn't work becasue I have to reference the revealer. Somethings not right nere |
| 16:13.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster Moorhsum (moorhsum@dsl-kpobrasgw1-54fac5-136.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:14.47 | Goa | you dont have to |
| 16:16.25 | Dustin | I figured out what it was |
| 16:16.53 | Dustin | Apparently when you destroy a revealer it doesnt set the varable that had that revealer to No Reveler |
| 16:17.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Moorhsum^ (moorhsum@dsl-kpobrasgw1-54fac5-136.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:27.41 | kingTD | goa updating ur cities map that u could ally against me with duckies? |
| 16:31.29 | Goa | yeah:D |
| 16:32.59 | kingTD | dirty fag :( wont play with u then ; ( |
| 16:33.47 | Goa | :) |
| 16:34.41 | Goa | fucking mad bomber |
| 16:35.03 | kingTD | seems like updates going well for u |
| 16:35.49 | Goa | HS+ mapping = ultimate time waste combo |
| 16:36.07 | Goa | trying to spend my gold in HS, but I just keep wining |
| 16:36.22 | kingTD | mapping is waste? wow, u are jew |
| 16:36.46 | Goa | :D |
| 16:37.09 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gW_XeWlkPI |
| 16:37.17 | Goa | everything is waste, at the end we just going towards entropy. Yay for nihilism |
| 16:38.09 | Zolden | yay |
| 16:55.40 | Goa | I made 195 gold again in Arena |
| 16:58.52 | kingTD | 7-0 time to lose :s |
| 17:00.38 | Goa | :) |
| 17:04.10 | Kueken | let me play, I am the king of 1-3 |
| 17:04.33 | Kueken | I don't even understand how I can suck so hard |
| 17:04.57 | Kueken | I didn't get more than 3 wins in arena for the last 2 weeks or so |
| 17:05.46 | Kueken | yet the day I played A1win, I had like 10-3 and 12-1 runs, and it felt easy |
| 17:06.12 | A1win | deck matters a lot ;p |
| 17:06.31 | Kueken | yeah, I only get crappy cards as well |
| 17:06.35 | Kueken | but... always? |
| 17:06.35 | kingTD | and then there are some 20% of decition making |
| 17:06.43 | Kueken | thats a statistical impossibility |
| 17:06.50 | kingTD | well u choose wrong ones then |
| 17:07.01 | Zolden | blizzard noobs spammed me with gay "try hs beta" |
| 17:07.07 | kingTD | :D |
| 17:07.12 | Zolden | i never even signed to be in hs beta |
| 17:07.13 | A1win | the best pick is not always the best choice when drafting cards for arena, mana cost matters a lot too |
| 17:07.23 | kingTD | zolden stays strong not trying that shit out |
| 17:07.26 | A1win | err |
| 17:07.33 | Zolden | yea, mapmaking is my hs |
| 17:07.34 | Ahli | I mostly pick the cheaper cards :D |
| 17:07.36 | A1win | the best pick is not always the card with most value |
| 17:07.52 | Kueken | if I do not get a single 4 cost paladin class card for the entire deck, I can confidently say, that I am unlucky |
| 17:08.21 | kingTD | paladin class? |
| 17:08.29 | kingTD | there are great basic cards to kill with |
| 17:09.02 | kingTD | "neatural" |
| 17:09.21 | Kueken | sure there are, but a paladin deck's strength is usually measured in the amount of truesilvers, consecrates, hammer of wraths, blessing of kings... |
| 17:09.36 | A1win | naw |
| 17:09.36 | Kueken | that are like his power cards, and I didn't get a single one of them |
| 17:09.52 | kingTD | in constructed decks, here u pick what u get |
| 17:09.52 | Goa | Paladin in Arena sucks anyway |
| 17:09.54 | kingTD | no matter class |
| 17:10.02 | Ahli | I like to have 3 truesilvers or 4 concecrates :D |
| 17:10.11 | A1win | I once had 3 truesilvers and other good stuff and went 0-3 because too many of my cards were 4 cost |
| 17:10.53 | Kueken | my only 12 win run was paladin as well, I think, and I had tons of truesilvers and the 2/2 bubblegiver |
| 17:11.06 | Kueken | like 4 of each |
| 17:11.40 | A1win | yeah those are good cards, but they alone don't make a deck good |
| 17:11.49 | Ahli | damned, he didn't eat my redeption + loothoarder trap |
| 17:11.56 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:12.05 | Kueken | yeah, I know, I am unlucky AND I suck |
| 17:12.08 | Kueken | bad combination |
| 17:12.14 | A1win | I once had redemption + tirion |
| 17:12.27 | A1win | pulled it off at least twice during the run |
| 17:12.53 | Ahli | what's tirion? |
| 17:13.27 | A1win | http://www.hearthhead.com/card=890/tirion-fordring |
| 17:13.29 | Dustin | I wish we could reply to reviewso n our maps |
| 17:13.57 | Ahli | oh :D |
| 17:14.10 | Zolden | Dustin it will be then a mess |
| 17:14.19 | Zolden | trollfests and holywars |
| 17:14.28 | Dustin | Nah, just allow Map makers to respond to the reviews |
| 17:14.47 | Dustin | cause a lot of reviews get pumped to the top but are out of date as I fixed the crap they were bitching about |
| 17:14.51 | Zolden | better to add "fu noob" |
| 17:14.57 | Zolden | btton |
| 17:15.09 | Dustin | So itd be nice to just put a map creator response "This shit is fixed nigg" |
| 17:15.09 | Zolden | to press on the comments you don't ilke |
| 17:15.26 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:15.51 | Zolden | even make that respond to appear automatically and immediately after the review with less then 5 starts appears |
| 17:15.56 | Goa | better to have review system where not the the first reviews are on the top.... |
| 17:16.12 | Dustin | That too GOA |
| 17:18.23 | Ahli | 4 1... 2 mana minions are too strong |
| 17:20.16 | Goa | how do I detect if there is a ramp at a point? |
| 17:23.45 | kingTD | :D |
| 17:24.02 | kingTD | just few days before such questions was asked |
| 17:25.30 | Goa | ahh pathing type at point? |
| 17:27.13 | kingTD | no |
| 17:27.24 | kingTD | its just ground, buildable or not buildable and shit |
| 17:27.33 | kingTD | no real answer there is |
| 17:27.36 | Ahli | 5 1... deck is good when I'm not playing mages |
| 17:28.17 | Goa | yay |
| 17:28.36 | kingTD | 10 - 0 |
| 17:28.38 | Goa | I have 12 3 mana cost cards from 15 cards:D |
| 17:28.45 | Goa | this deck will surely work:D |
| 17:32.37 | Ahli | healwave kills 5 minions of mine... well, then I just play 5 new ones |
| 17:33.32 | Ahli | man, if the enemy has no area damage or a big health tank, it's dead :D |
| 17:34.16 | kingTD | have been nuked the fuck out like from the mage.. that druid |
| 17:37.44 | kingTD | ffs those HS bugged cards |
| 17:38.09 | Goa | mage imba |
| 17:40.07 | kingTD | ffs THOSE BUGGED CARDS |
| 17:40.11 | kingTD | LOSING THE GAMES!!!!!!!! |
| 17:41.33 | kingTD | FUCKING SHITTTTTTTTTTT |
| 17:43.25 | Goa | what bugged? |
| 17:43.39 | kingTD | CARDS |
| 17:43.40 | kingTD | CARDS!!!!!!! |
| 17:43.44 | kingTD | THOSE FUCKING CARDS!@@!@#!@!@ |
| 17:43.48 | Goa | overlapping?:D |
| 17:44.06 | kingTD | WTF ELSE IT CAN BE THAT IT CAN BE GAME BREAKING!??!!? |
| 17:44.19 | A1win | you can cycle overlapping cards by starting an attack drag and releasing it, or by playing a targeted battlecry minion and canceling the targeting (returns back to hand) |
| 17:44.43 | A1win | though if you have no minions to attack with, you're out of luck ;p |
| 17:45.09 | kingTD | surely i have plenty of battlecry minions in arena |
| 17:45.29 | A1win | any minion works for the attack thingy |
| 17:45.33 | Goa | kingTD you liar cliff level of point (real) can detect ramps |
| 17:45.47 | Goa | If its a real value then its a ramp:D |
| 17:45.49 | kingTD | goa how about elevations of the map? |
| 17:46.07 | Ahli | 7 1 :D good deck is good |
| 17:46.29 | kingTD | 10 - 0 was |
| 17:46.30 | Goa | hmm my map dont have elevations, but you should be able to work it out |
| 17:46.33 | kingTD | now 11 - 1 |
| 17:46.41 | A1win | the attack thing doesn't visually cycle the overlapping cards, but it cycles which card you will pick when draggin the overlapping card |
| 17:46.53 | Zolden | kingTD just use dick instead of deck |
| 17:48.32 | kingTD | seems paladins doing well |
| 17:52.43 | Goa | be careful with robocops when using dick. |
| 17:52.44 | Ahli | damned, why can't sun cleric buff enemy minions :X |
| 17:52.56 | Ahli | I would have required that to kill a minion with the big game hunter |
| 17:53.04 | Goa | Ahli playing priest?:D |
| 17:53.21 | Ahli | no, pala |
| 17:53.24 | Goa | ohh |
| 17:53.36 | Ahli | but now I lost vs a shaman :< |
| 17:53.52 | A1win | I once had big game hunter and abusive sergeant in hand, played abusive sergeant and immediately realised my mistake |
| 17:53.59 | A1win | next turn enemy plays a 6 attack minion |
| 17:54.30 | A1win | it was very late game and the abusive sergeant didn't really do anything useful at that point anyway |
| 17:57.38 | kingTD | fucking druid :( the dream is broken :((( |
| 17:57.42 | kingTD | no 12 - 2 |
| 18:01.57 | Ahli | big game hunter killed 8 8 monster.... yeah :D |
| 18:03.20 | Ahli | seems like that wins me the game now :D |
| 18:05.51 | Ahli | damned ironbark... |
| 18:06.24 | Ahli | that 8 8 taunt, I hate it |
| 18:07.59 | Ahli | bastard mad bomber didn't finish him off ahh |
| 18:08.42 | Ahli | 8 2 now... maybe I will reach 9 2, my personal record again |
| 18:13.27 | Ahli | damned, rogue, I die :X |
| 18:13.48 | kingTD | gg wp no re |
| 18:14.14 | Goa | Ahli 9 is my record too, I always die at 8-9 somehow |
| 18:15.16 | Ahli | you are matched vs higher players then that have strong decks like you |
| 18:15.25 | Ahli | the fun ended at 8 now |
| 18:16.00 | Ahli | due to assassin's blade + poison + no taunt at hand + no anti-weapon in deck :< |
| 18:16.11 | Ahli | but 180 gold won :D |
| 18:16.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster maltenp (~maltenp@c-31e170d5.09-37-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:16.40 | Ahli | and a card that glows purple... let's see |
| 18:16.47 | Ahli | mountian giant |
| 18:22.58 | Ahli | holy wrath with 0 damage kills a bubble thingy |
| 18:25.38 | kingTD | i won 285g :> |
| 18:27.57 | Goa | lol |
| 18:28.23 | Goa | I wonder if you get better cards than otherwise? |
| 18:28.38 | Goa | in the pack... |
| 18:28.47 | kingTD | nope, got shit there |
| 18:28.55 | kingTD | but u get one card at least golden |
| 18:29.16 | Goa | nice |
| 18:29.20 | kingTD | card packs totally random shit |
| 18:30.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~ArcanePar@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:30.41 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 18:30.46 | ArcanePariah | Carrier has arrived |
| 18:32.51 | kingTD | and ship is sinking :s |
| 18:33.03 | ArcanePariah | :( and why is that? |
| 18:34.18 | kingTD | ur carrier just exploded inside of our ship on arrival |
| 18:34.24 | kingTD | like that thor |
| 18:35.50 | Ahli | I'm only missing 289 cards in HS to have 2 of each... |
| 18:36.19 | Goa | how do you see that? |
| 18:36.26 | Ahli | I counted |
| 18:36.36 | Goa | lol |
| 18:36.43 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgblrGghrgA&t=0m22s |
| 18:36.58 | ArcanePariah | A1win, you be crazy :D |
| 18:37.07 | A1win | mmf? |
| 18:37.08 | kingTD | ? :s |
| 18:37.22 | ArcanePariah | How many cards are there in HS? |
| 18:37.31 | A1win | ah, confusing me with Ahli again ;p |
| 18:37.37 | ArcanePariah | oh yeah |
| 18:37.39 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 18:37.40 | Goa | :DDD |
| 18:37.49 | ArcanePariah | Statement still stands |
| 18:37.53 | ArcanePariah | You stil be crazy |
| 18:37.56 | ArcanePariah | For other reasons |
| 18:38.04 | ArcanePariah | Have you picked a name yet? |
| 18:38.36 | ArcanePariah | Or should I go consult some higher deity to hit you with divine revelation? |
| 18:38.40 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 18:39.04 | ArcanePariah | kidnaps A1win and performs inception |
| 18:47.43 | A1win | I've chosen Mad Space for now, should be good enough... though would love to come up with a better one |
| 18:49.16 | Ahli | u mad? |
| 18:50.16 | Goa | hmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt33sfjIWms |
| 18:50.26 | ArcanePariah | Of course he is :D, necessary prerequsitite to make games |
| 18:50.38 | ArcanePariah | Small touch of insanity does wonders for inspiration |
| 18:51.45 | kingTD | looks fancy, but is it really playable and enjoyable? it surely isnt |
| 18:52.50 | Goa | yeah |
| 18:53.07 | Goa | btw he used startools for making the ships |
| 18:53.26 | ArcanePariah | Impressive |
| 18:54.15 | ArcanePariah | I would say it is for those who really enjoy intricate controls |
| 18:54.29 | ArcanePariah | A niche for sure, but still, the UI seems very well done imo |
| 18:55.36 | ArcanePariah | I'm goign to asssume bot left is standard wireframe, but with custom background and other UI manipulation |
| 18:56.00 | ArcanePariah | And that he has attached a unit status frame to each ship above it |
| 18:57.13 | ArcanePariah | I do like the camara controls + the visual effects for ship destruction (I know its just artifact weapon, but still...) |
| 18:59.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-204.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 18:59.18 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if blizzard will at some point incorporate the entire arcade browswer into the arcade website, it does seem possible that they could do that and have the links to the game with each game, and provide a dedicated subforum of sorts for each game |
| 19:00.25 | Goa | I hope they dont |
| 19:00.38 | ArcanePariah | Oh? Why not? |
| 19:00.42 | Goa | or |
| 19:00.58 | ArcanePariah | Be nice to have direct links to the game searchable by google |
| 19:00.59 | Ahli | might be faster than sc2's bnet UI :S |
| 19:01.06 | Goa | to be more accurate, I hope they dont add more things to fill out...) |
| 19:01.11 | Goa | hehe |
| 19:01.28 | ArcanePariah | That is almost a certainty, given such an interface would be done in html, not flash.... |
| 19:01.44 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the entire B.net UI is done in flash |
| 19:01.58 | Ahli | their launcher can display websites, too... so maybe arcade could be put there, too |
| 19:02.13 | Goa | :DDDD |
| 19:02.15 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, I don't doubt it, especially with Storm |
| 19:02.39 | ArcanePariah | Since they confirmed custom maps coming to storm, I very much see either in game or in the laucher a way to launch a specific map for storm |
| 19:03.14 | ArcanePariah | That will be... interesting to say the least, the bizzaree stuff people come up for storm maps |
| 19:04.24 | Ahli | base building... crazy objectives |
| 19:05.43 | Ahli | side quests.... slay 20 pigs and farmer mcjoe will join the fight as he has no animals to feed anymore |
| 19:06.08 | Goa | yeah nexus storm war |
| 19:06.54 | Ahli | desert storm |
| 19:07.04 | kingTD | Age of Storms |
| 19:07.18 | Ahli | Stormblo |
| 19:07.39 | Ahli | people will implement other mobas in storm, lol |
| 19:07.55 | ArcanePariah | I could see that, have a side map where you do a uber trist fight, if you win, get uber diablo to fight for you |
| 19:08.10 | Ahli | yeah, I might do something diablo themed for it then ^^ |
| 19:08.30 | Ahli | in addition to interfaces, in case I've ideas how to improve the UI |
| 19:08.41 | ArcanePariah | Or hell, make it any of the diablo mini bosses, and if you beat them, get them. Be fun to see Duriel trash a team with cold aura + charge :D |
| 19:08.58 | ArcanePariah | or Meph go wild with frozen skulls of death |
| 19:09.21 | Goa | storm pictionary |
| 19:09.25 | ArcanePariah | LOL |
| 19:09.47 | ArcanePariah | What, draw the picture, get it right, get the creature :D :D :D |
| 19:10.19 | Goa | :) |
| 19:10.33 | ArcanePariah | That will be fun as hell |
| 19:11.12 | Ahli | minigame moba |
| 19:11.31 | Ahli | every few minutes you play a minigame for mercenary minions |
| 19:11.55 | Ahli | damned, why is diablo rotating randomly in the cutscene ahhh |
| 19:13.17 | Ahli | no, the blood particles are just always going into a obscure direction? :X |
| 19:13.21 | ArcanePariah | Dumb question Ahli, you are still working on D1 correct? |
| 19:13.40 | Ahli | as we speak, yes |
| 19:13.48 | Ahli | *chat... whatever |
| 19:13.58 | ArcanePariah | Planning on D2 afterwards? |
| 19:14.12 | ArcanePariah | (assuming real life does not intervene) |
| 19:14.17 | Goa | D4 instead:D |
| 19:14.22 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 19:14.31 | Ahli | first I will implement the full diablo game... |
| 19:14.54 | Ahli | and basically add complete D2 into it to create an awesome engine |
| 19:15.15 | ArcanePariah | How far are you, your comments suggest you are nearing completion, and that you have implemented the 1st 15 levels of D1 and working on last Hell level with Big D in it |
| 19:16.40 | Ahli | that's correct. But then I want to import D3 models and somehow hope someone will create hell dungeon wall models for me :D also, skill trees with synergies to the spells learned via book |
| 19:18.02 | ArcanePariah | Well synergies I would probably do with upgrades |
| 19:18.38 | ArcanePariah | The spell books, do you use data to grant abilities to units, or is it trigger based? |
| 19:18.55 | Ahli | since everything is triggered as I'm not using SC2's data stuff for my damage calculations |
| 19:19.02 | Ahli | those things are easy to do |
| 19:19.10 | ArcanePariah | Ahh |
| 19:19.33 | Ahli | I'm storing all variable things within the custom values of a unit |
| 19:20.29 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, I forgot about that, that's interesting |
| 19:21.05 | ArcanePariah | Basically a per unit array... nifty, as long as you keep track of which index does what (which can be setup in advance easy :D) |
| 19:21.06 | Ahli | so, the facing of diablo is now correct as I'm rotating the cutscene. But that doesn't rotate all elements of the cutscene... the direction diablo falls into isn't rotating properly and the blood can "fall" into another direction, too :X |
| 19:21.22 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, sounds like an actor issue |
| 19:21.36 | Ahli | no actors involved, though |
| 19:21.43 | Ahli | I'm starting a cutscene |
| 19:21.43 | ArcanePariah | Actors always involved |
| 19:22.04 | Ahli | well, yeah, but... yeah |
| 19:22.22 | ArcanePariah | So I imagine the default actor for the blood is not following the host bearings |
| 19:22.34 | ArcanePariah | (Assuming D is the host) |
| 19:22.52 | Ahli | I'm made a cutscene with models that just are moved around separately |
| 19:22.55 | Ahli | *ve |
| 19:23.10 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, they are each their own actor, probably using the generic model actor |
| 19:23.23 | Zolden | kids kidnapping napping kids |
| 19:23.34 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, what? |
| 19:23.40 | Zolden | napping kids kidnapping other kids in their dreams |
| 19:23.50 | Zolden | it is inception yet |
| 19:24.08 | ArcanePariah | Umm... thats Nightmare on Elm Streety lol |
| 19:24.31 | ArcanePariah | We talking about Freedy Kruger? |
| 19:24.40 | Zolden | free fredd kruger! |
| 19:25.59 | Ahli | hmmm, I've an idea... maybe the locks are scewing that up |
| 19:26.25 | Ahli | now I locked all elements... I assume I won't be able to rotate the cutscene now |
| 19:30.27 | Ahli | oh attachments in cutscene... hmmm :D |
| 19:37.42 | kingTD | ohh warlock dick so bad :s |
| 19:37.44 | Ahli | damned, how do I rotate attached stuff? :X |
| 19:42.05 | Zolden | check water revenant's water effect http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/47/184/water_revenant.gif |
| 19:43.46 | Kueken | Ahli: I assume you still cannot use actor messages or site operations in cutscenes? |
| 19:44.21 | Ahli | well, better: I can change the offset and rotation and most likely I can blend it over to different states :D |
| 19:44.37 | Kueken | oh |
| 19:44.41 | Kueken | so you are not fucked? |
| 19:44.49 | Kueken | thats not at all what I expected |
| 19:45.23 | Ahli | I browsed through the documentation linked in NA forum and it mentions it |
| 19:45.46 | Ahli | so I checked again and after clicking on the attachment bar on the timeline thing, the top right lists data that I can change |
| 19:47.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (45c4896d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.196.137.109) |
| 19:48.50 | pirate | yarr |
| 19:48.57 | Zolden | arrgh |
| 19:50.03 | Zolden | also water elemental http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/47/186/water_elemental.gif |
| 19:50.22 | Ahli | I feel like finding correct values for attachments and rotations is super easy in cutscene editor... |
| 19:51.20 | Ahli | then you could transfer that into actors by rebuilding it and voila, you can make fancy stuff made out of multiple actors |
| 19:51.27 | Zolden | Ahli there's a dude who should be asked, what was his name? |
| 19:52.29 | Kueken | Jade! |
| 19:52.38 | pirate | aren't jade and arcane the resident actor meisters? |
| 19:52.59 | Kueken | waits for a honorable mention... |
| 19:53.11 | Kueken | :( |
| 19:53.14 | Zolden | the cutscene dude has different nick |
| 19:53.28 | Kueken | you mean one of the blizzguys? |
| 19:53.30 | Zolden | Kueken is a modeller or something |
| 19:53.42 | Zolden | i mean one of us |
| 19:53.51 | Zolden | the dude who made game of trones cutscene |
| 19:54.02 | Kueken | one of the blizzguys was specialized on cutscenes as well |
| 19:54.16 | Kueken | but they probably didn't show their faces for months, I assume? |
| 19:54.38 | Kueken | maybe they go by alias so they aren't bothered as much :D |
| 19:54.59 | Kueken | Zolden: dunno who you mean |
| 19:55.01 | Ahli | tenarsis I believe |
| 19:55.33 | Ahli | I solved my problems, no need to ask anyone as I've no more question right now |
| 19:55.37 | Zolden | tenarsis is actor guy |
| 19:55.44 | Zolden | sec, i'll find in yt |
| 19:55.55 | Ahli | tolkafan, Zolden |
| 19:56.02 | Ahli | or tolkfan or something like that |
| 19:56.03 | Kueken | I wish I was a modeler, but I lack the patience to mess with 3ds max |
| 19:56.08 | Zolden | Ahli yeah |
| 19:56.22 | Zolden | he'd answer the shit out of youtr questions |
| 19:56.41 | pirate | ahli what're you making? |
| 19:56.46 | Ahli | well, the cutscene editor doesn't seem to be overly complex once you understand it |
| 19:56.57 | Kueken | ahli decorates Diablo with spaces |
| 19:56.59 | Ahli | Diablo's death |
| 19:57.03 | Zolden | yea, it's logical |
| 19:57.21 | Ahli | stand animation, blood, falling over while bleeding... |
| 19:57.43 | Ahli | the model I have has no death animation so.... I need to get funky |
| 19:58.18 | Zolden | motherfuncky |
| 19:59.03 | Ahli | so, now that everything is attached, it should work |
| 20:02.06 | Ahli | damned, his falling over isn't attached now :D |
| 20:02.12 | Ahli | don't fall sideways ahhh |
| 20:02.42 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 20:03.16 | Ahli | damned, so how do I do that... hmmm |
| 20:05.26 | Ahli | oh, with actor alias you can make cutscenes use actors existing in the game already |
| 20:05.49 | Ahli | so, you could use cutscenes to do normal animation stuff |
| 20:10.19 | Zolden | what body parts different musical styles sing: http://www.fleshmap.com/listen/music.html |
| 20:10.33 | Zolden | probably Kueken will be interested in hip-hop |
| 20:10.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 20:10.53 | Bounty | Peow |
| 20:14.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25 (5de6f9ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.230.249.174) |
| 20:14.40 | mille25 | hi |
| 20:18.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (45c4896d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.196.137.109) |
| 20:18.50 | pirate | yarr |
| 20:20.08 | Zolden | arrgh |
| 20:24.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Guest74194 (~Texnical@76.72.175.46) |
| 20:25.19 | kingTD | warlocks sucks assss |
| 20:25.56 | Ahli | warlock is mr. card advantage |
| 20:27.12 | pirate | pitlord :( |
| 20:27.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster duckies (4d26cd7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.38.205.122) |
| 20:27.25 | Bounty | Are people really complaining about "Fun" being a factor in the competition? |
| 20:27.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:27.33 | pirate | loool |
| 20:27.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Guest74194 (~Texnical@unaffiliated/reactorex) |
| 20:27.45 | Bounty | Like, that is the best part |
| 20:27.52 | duckies | what are you talking about? :o |
| 20:27.57 | pirate | arcade contest |
| 20:28.04 | pirate | what does Engagement mean |
| 20:28.09 | Bounty | I saw someone complaining that fun is a judging factor in the competition |
| 20:28.12 | pirate | replayability? |
| 20:28.16 | Bounty | in the contest thread |
| 20:28.19 | duckies | ooh, engagement is a criteria? :D |
| 20:28.41 | mille25 | hey, does anyone know if there is a way to attach a model to a unit without increasing its selection radius? |
| 20:28.48 | duckies | complainig about what now? ;/ complaining people are wierd :D |
| 20:28.54 | pirate | "accessibility, fun, engagement, creativity, freshness, visual quality, and technical achievement' |
| 20:29.37 | Bounty | I'm sure one of the property transfers affects that mille25 |
| 20:29.39 | pirate | mille I thought modeladditions didn't effect selection radius |
| 20:29.42 | Bounty | Don't know which one |
| 20:30.27 | mille25 | pirate: thought so, too, but appearantly every model which is attached to a unit counts as part of the unit, and therefore when clicking on it the unit gets selected. |
| 20:30.42 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 20:30.44 | mille25 | (thats what im actually talking about when saying selection radius) |
| 20:30.48 | Bounty | Deselect model scale |
| 20:31.11 | mille25 | im sorry Bounty , where do i have to deselect that? |
| 20:31.21 | Bounty | in the property transfers |
| 20:31.24 | Bounty | of the actor |
| 20:31.27 | Bounty | this is model addition right? |
| 20:31.41 | mille25 | its just a model which gets attached to a unit. |
| 20:31.44 | mille25 | via script. |
| 20:31.45 | pirate | Ah-- maybe it's because I was attaching splats and splats don't count? |
| 20:31.49 | Bounty | oh |
| 20:32.03 | pirate | or perhaps splats are inherently unclickable |
| 20:32.13 | Bounty | Well then idk what to tell ya |
| 20:32.15 | mille25 | yes, splats dont increase the selection radius. |
| 20:32.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:32.38 | mille25 | the problem is that splats dont work if the terrain cells are hidden. |
| 20:32.45 | mille25 | so we use both, a model and a splat |
| 20:33.50 | Bounty | You're going to have to wait for JademusSreg to get on I think mille |
| 20:33.54 | Zolden | not fun map is like this coin http://www.errors-in-production.info/Bilder/Nickl.jpg |
| 20:34.02 | Bounty | or you could just make it a model addition actor >.< |
| 20:34.15 | mille25 | D: |
| 20:34.29 | Ahli | do splats work on low settings? |
| 20:34.40 | Ahli | or is there a way to make them work with that? |
| 20:36.46 | Zolden | Ahli yes if you create splat wit "work on low settings" option |
| 20:39.23 | Ahli | hmm, I've made it a doodad... let's see if it works on low |
| 20:40.15 | Zolden | i'd made it poopap |
| 20:46.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~ArcanePar@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:47.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster EMCHAMP (~EMCHAMP@cpe-172-249-125-213.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:00.13 | pirate | how can I make a splat (such as the Laser Sight Line Splat) follow/point at the mouse position without an ability? |
| 21:17.29 | pirate | :( |
| 21:18.41 | Bounty | Looks like Photon Discs 2 is going to be something different lol |
| 21:27.31 | Zolden | pirate maybe cursor actor? |
| 21:28.06 | Zolden | Kueken is mouse cursor - an actor we could attach something to? |
| 21:28.21 | pirate | they don't seem to setup right without being created via abil.*.cursor |
| 21:28.36 | Kueken | ^ |
| 21:28.58 | pirate | hrmph |
| 21:28.59 | Kueken | I don't think there is a useable actor for the mouse in general, outside of ability targeting |
| 21:29.06 | Zolden | Bounty do anything, just let it not suffer from bnet latency |
| 21:29.09 | Kueken | at least I don't know how to access it |
| 21:29.12 | pirate | this is quite a roadblock |
| 21:29.17 | Bounty | It won't :) |
| 21:29.25 | Zolden | great |
| 21:29.32 | Zolden | I believe you |
| 21:30.17 | pirate | be back in a bit |
| 21:30.42 | Zolden | kingTD have you seen how I made water? http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/47/184/water_revenant.gif |
| 21:30.50 | kingTD | yes |
| 21:30.55 | Zolden | cool? |
| 21:31.31 | Zolden | COOL? |
| 21:31.59 | Zolden | COOL?! |
| 21:32.23 | Zolden | COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL?????????????????????????? |
| 21:32.35 | Bounty | That is pretty nice |
| 21:32.42 | Bounty | Especially since my game is all about water |
| 21:32.48 | Bounty | well, one of them is at least |
| 21:32.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:33.05 | Zolden | about water? |
| 21:33.14 | Zolden | will there be fishes? |
| 21:33.20 | Bounty | It will take place on water |
| 21:33.30 | Bounty | and projectiles are made of water, sort of |
| 21:33.33 | Zolden | ships? |
| 21:33.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:33.36 | Bounty | nope |
| 21:33.39 | Bounty | :) |
| 21:33.55 | Zolden | animated water monsters? |
| 21:34.01 | Bounty | nope |
| 21:34.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster JademusSreg (~jademus.s@c-76-123-235-103.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 21:34.13 | Bounty | I dare not say too much |
| 21:34.19 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:34.40 | Texnical | Hmmmm |
| 21:34.44 | Texnical | Blah |
| 21:34.47 | Zolden | say to me, I won't say to anyone |
| 21:34.56 | Texnical | Trying to remember the name of one of the modders during beta |
| 21:34.59 | Texnical | ryansomethingorother |
| 21:35.00 | Zolden | I'm so curious! |
| 21:35.10 | Bounty | You will see |
| 21:35.16 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:35.28 | Zolden | will it be frozen water? |
| 21:35.32 | Bounty | nope |
| 21:35.36 | Zolden | or boiled into steam? |
| 21:35.41 | Texnical | Ooh, frozen water. |
| 21:35.47 | Texnical | That's fun to do to a fluid system. |
| 21:35.48 | Zolden | or heated into plasm? |
| 21:36.04 | Bounty | Normal water Zolden, like in Russia |
| 21:36.10 | Texnical | Takin' fluid particles and turning them in to pathable mass :D |
| 21:36.10 | Zolden | or destroyed with antiwater |
| 21:36.26 | Zolden | in soviet russia water pees in you |
| 21:37.01 | Zolden | Texnical what? what's pathable mass? |
| 21:37.10 | Texnical | not a particle :P |
| 21:38.10 | Texnical | Probably would be a mesh that rises in the particle cloud. |
| 21:38.23 | Texnical | However you'd want to implement it. |
| 21:39.31 | Texnical | Ah, there's the name I was looking for |
| 21:39.34 | Texnical | Rowland. |
| 21:40.23 | Zolden | sounds like a dude from homm2 |
| 21:44.43 | Bounty | I was just going to use basic sc2 water effects |
| 21:44.49 | Bounty | and do mah thing |
| 21:45.17 | Texnical | Hmmm. |
| 22:08.49 | duckies | this loading is not long at all >.> |
| 22:09.50 | kingTD | batman |
| 22:11.24 | Texnical | Wow, amazing work with Blender. |
| 22:27.29 | Bounty | I still can't believe I put together a good soundtrack with royalty free music |
| 22:27.35 | Bounty | Some of it is actually really good lol |
| 22:48.38 | *** part/#sc2mapster Goa (~hookah604@91-82-141-238.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 23:38.43 | pirate | wtb working cursor models without ability cursor events |
| 23:59.59 | pirate | is drSuperEvil someone in IRC? |
