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| 00:18.44 | ArcanePariah | A serious stoner needs one |
| 00:18.48 | ArcanePariah | :P |
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| 18:09.58 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 18:17.15 | Zolden | kingTD http://i.snag.gy/omKzU.jpg |
| 18:17.24 | Zolden | what do you think about the model and its water source? |
| 18:17.33 | Zolden | it's water revenant, he need water |
| 18:18.23 | kingTD | okay |
| 18:18.59 | Zolden | thanks for comprehensive feedback |
| 18:24.27 | Dustin | MOAR WATER |
| 18:24.37 | Dustin | Make that water comeo ut of his face |
| 18:24.48 | Dustin | and that will be good enough |
| 18:36.52 | Goa | and make so that you can easily change the texture of the "water" :D |
| 18:37.03 | Goa | so you can make fire fueled monster with no time |
| 18:39.57 | Zolden | Dustin that's the plan |
| 18:40.53 | Zolden | Goa I don't know what makes texture change easier or harder |
| 18:41.55 | JademusSreg | Kablam. |
| 18:43.05 | Zolden | Pirdalg |
| 18:43.29 | JademusSreg | Goa, solve the text thing? |
| 18:47.35 | Goa | kinda |
| 18:48.38 | Goa | Zolden well, if you use 1 texture for all the water stuff in the model:) |
| 18:48.49 | JademusSreg | Zol, considered making other revenants? Flame, magma, sand, stone, overgrowth (vines and such), radiant, shadow, venom, acid, void, blood, grave, and spooge. |
| 18:49.28 | Goa | high revenants, filled with green smoke and cannabis leafs. |
| 18:49.33 | JademusSreg | Oh, and ice. |
| 18:51.16 | Zolden | Goa i use 2 |
| 18:51.26 | Zolden | JademusSreg you forgot entropy revenant |
| 18:51.51 | JademusSreg | Wonder if one can use the water material in a model. |
| 18:52.23 | Zolden | probably it's a messs |
| 18:55.45 | Bommes | what's spooge? |
| 18:56.30 | Zolden | i don't even know what's revenant |
| 18:58.01 | Dustin | lmao Bommes |
| 18:58.08 | Dustin | Jizz |
| 18:58.17 | Dustin | Man Milk |
| 18:58.34 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 18:59.33 | JademusSreg | Fun fact, the baneling explosion icon texture is named "banelingspooge". |
| 19:00.09 | Bommes | Hmkay |
| 19:00.25 | Zolden | spooge bob |
| 19:00.26 | Bommes | well can't blame me when stuff like that doesn't get taught in german schools |
| 19:02.34 | JademusSreg | If one only learned from schools, we'd all be imbeciles. |
| 19:03.00 | Bommes | I don't learn vocabulary for fun |
| 19:03.11 | Bommes | if it would be just me I wouldn't learn language at all |
| 19:03.43 | JademusSreg | Not only that, you wouldn't have a personal identity. =D |
| 19:04.48 | Bommes | I wouldn't even know what the concept of having a personal identity means |
| 19:05.48 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:05.52 | Zolden | personal identity is the same as identical personality |
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| 19:09.35 | Bommes | State Monitors are confusing |
| 19:09.40 | mille25 | hi |
| 19:09.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:09.51 | JademusSreg | Hi thar mille. |
| 19:10.10 | mille25 | i still dont understand what "thar" means. :( |
| 19:10.22 | Bommes | why does one State Monitor have the same Actor Event ("StateChange -> !StateValid Heavy -> Destroy") like 3 or 4 times? |
| 19:11.14 | Bommes | ah |
| 19:11.23 | Bommes | it has different targets but the targets only show up in XML |
| 19:11.25 | Bommes | for some reason |
| 19:11.27 | Bommes | nevermind |
| 19:11.36 | Bommes | then it makes sense :) |
| 19:11.37 | Dustin | mille25, it's pirate for there |
| 19:11.51 | JademusSreg | It's a deliberate, folksy phonetic spelling of "there". |
| 19:11.54 | mille25 | sounds like the data editor gui is pretty bugged, Bommes |
| 19:12.23 | mille25 | ah okay thanks, was worried its smth like "motherfucking piece of shit" :D |
| 19:12.31 | Bommes | no I'm just an idiot, it all shows up properly |
| 19:12.36 | mille25 | oh |
| 19:12.37 | Bommes | and I looked at the wrong message |
| 19:12.38 | Bommes | ^^ sry |
| 19:12.48 | mille25 | haha |
| 19:12.53 | Zolden | mille25 thar means fatty |
| 19:12.59 | mille25 | :'( |
| 19:13.15 | mille25 | how do you know that im fat, Zolden ? :( |
| 19:13.22 | JademusSreg | Wat brings you here, dearest mille? |
| 19:13.42 | Zolden | mille25 i'm sure, u're lean and sexy |
| 19:13.51 | mille25 | of course. |
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| 19:14.27 | mille25 | JademusSreg: all my stress suddenly turned into boredom after the release of SCUs test version and all my exams are written. |
| 19:14.47 | JademusSreg | Ah. =D |
| 19:14.54 | mille25 | im either stressed or bored :D |
| 19:15.03 | Zolden | mille25 will you create a map for the competition? |
| 19:15.13 | JademusSreg | I've got some good-to-know figures you may enjoy. |
| 19:15.28 | mille25 | maybe, we are not sure yet if it will fit our plans, we dont really want to create something just for the contest. |
| 19:15.39 | mille25 | but the prices are quite neat |
| 19:16.10 | Zolden | yea, and also it's a possibility to test some new fun approaches |
| 19:16.23 | mille25 | there also seems to be some legal issues |
| 19:16.37 | mille25 | it seems like you give even more rights to blizzard if you participate in the contest |
| 19:17.07 | Zolden | even more? i htought i have no rights |
| 19:17.15 | JademusSreg | Fixed-point fractional minimum: 1/4096; Distance: 1/4096 cl (cell length); Sync.Time: 1/16 = 256/4096 gs (game time seconds); Speed: 32/4096 cl/gs; Movement: 2/4096 cl/st (sync.time); Unit radius: 1/16 = 256/4096 cl; (diameter) 1/8 = 512/4096 cl; Unit collision radius: 1/8 = 512/4096 cl; (diameter) 1/4 = 1024/4096 cl; DMRCT ratio: 1:2:256:512:256 |
| 19:17.20 | mille25 | as far as i know blizzard actually owns the idea itself once you hand it in. |
| 19:17.22 | Zolden | they can ban my map any moment and what can i do, nothing |
| 19:17.36 | mille25 | so for example, lets say you have a brilliant new game concept |
| 19:17.39 | mille25 | well, blizzard owns it then. |
| 19:18.08 | Dustin | mille25, is your site down? |
| 19:18.46 | mille25 | no idea what the fuck is going on, its been a blank page since today morning and our web guy didnt come online yet, and to make it even worse we are sheduled to get featured today as arcade workshop. |
| 19:18.59 | mille25 | so people actually cant report shit |
| 19:19.00 | Zolden | mille25 so if I will want to remake my map as a standalone application for a mobile platform, I will not be able to do it? |
| 19:19.23 | mille25 | Zolden: im not 100% sure on all the legal stuff but thats how i understood it, yes. they actually own the idea itself. |
| 19:19.38 | Bommes | Can you protect your game concept as intellectual property? I always thought you can pretty much just copy other games as long as you change the assets etc. |
| 19:19.58 | Dustin | Oh shit, well if you need help mille let me know, I'm a web engineer by day |
| 19:20.25 | mille25 | =/ |
| 19:20.28 | mille25 | thanks Dustin |
| 19:20.35 | mille25 | for now ill just wait for ron to come online |
| 19:20.37 | Zolden | JademusSreg what's DMRCT? |
| 19:20.57 | Dustin | kk, well good luck! |
| 19:21.02 | JademusSreg | Passively waiting is never a solution. =D |
| 19:21.06 | Dustin | Have you released the PTR on NA yet? |
| 19:21.15 | mille25 | its just pissing me off because the site worked fine all the time, until today. |
| 19:21.21 | mille25 | yes, globally. |
| 19:21.47 | JademusSreg | Distance:Movement:Radius:Collision:Time |
| 19:21.55 | mille25 | we didnt make a big deal out of it because we kinda wanted it to be tested by the hardcore fans first to find the worst bugs. |
| 19:22.08 | mille25 | and actually we got a shitload of reports. |
| 19:23.44 | JademusSreg | I can probably remove Radius. I only included it initially because unit radius 0.0625 behaves oddly. |
| 19:27.16 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: unit movement speeds low as 32/4096 work, but speeds [16..31]/4096 prevent the unit from moving without disabling the move ability. Unit move speed 32/4096 is a speed of 2/4096 per update (1/16 game time seconds), which means the unit position update can be up to 2 points away. Since unit move speed [16..31]/4096 is speed 1/4096 per update, it can't move (at least not diagonally). |
| 19:27.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:27.50 | JademusSreg | Move speed 32/4096, to put it in temporal perspective, takes 128 game time seconds to traverse a single cell-length. |
| 19:28.15 | mille25 | JademusSreg: did you know that adding a certain amout of movement speed to a unit and removing the same amount later can lead to a different movement speed than before the change? |
| 19:28.55 | mille25 | at least that did happen in the past, might have gotten fixed. :D |
| 19:29.05 | Goa | "BommesCan you protect your game concept as intellectual property? " No, might be possible these days if you have lots of money:) |
| 19:29.11 | JademusSreg | Interesting. I'd like some data on it, if you have it, so I can determine why. |
| 19:29.28 | mille25 | JademusSreg: let me setup a quick test. |
| 19:32.08 | Goa | Bommes well this shows that you can pretty much patent anything these days if you have the money: http://kotaku.com/these-patents-video-game-publishers-own-may-surprise-yo-511731513 |
| 19:32.38 | Bommes | k, thx |
| 19:34.39 | mille25 | JademusSreg: here you go: http://www.file-upload.net/download-8584008/movement-speed-bug.SC2Map.html |
| 19:34.47 | mille25 | just start the map. |
| 19:35.48 | JademusSreg | Goa, nice link. =D |
| 19:37.13 | JademusSreg | mille, I'll check it out later, once my larval progeny completes its nap on me. |
| 19:37.15 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net//sc2/en/blog/12788493 |
| 19:37.56 | JademusSreg | Oops, can't. Dropbox that file; you know better. =D |
| 19:38.39 | mille25 | stopped using dropbox, it fucked up from time to time |
| 19:38.49 | mille25 | the problem is, google drive fucks up even more |
| 19:39.10 | mille25 | so yeah... will probably go back to dropbox lol |
| 19:39.14 | JademusSreg | They don't fuck up for me. =D |
| 19:39.23 | mille25 | for me neither, but for ryan |
| 19:39.25 | JademusSreg | And I use both. |
| 19:39.34 | JademusSreg | Oooooh, haha. |
| 19:39.48 | mille25 | he constantly has two of the same file, or missing files. |
| 19:39.56 | mille25 | dont ask me. |
| 19:40.28 | JademusSreg | No, I understand and appreciate discretion. |
| 19:40.32 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:41.06 | mille25 | do you understand why we cant use professional tools now? :D |
| 19:42.56 | mille25 | anyways, to get back to the bug |
| 19:43.04 | JademusSreg | I never didn't understand. Haha |
| 19:43.29 | mille25 | this should be enough: http://pastebin.com/D3T7W60g |
| 19:44.15 | mille25 | almost 0.1 diff after just a couple changes :D |
| 19:44.27 | JademusSreg | Ah, well, those values being subtracted are not valid fixed-point. |
| 19:44.38 | mille25 | i thought so, too |
| 19:44.38 | mille25 | but |
| 19:44.46 | mille25 | repeat the same experiment using a fixed variable |
| 19:44.46 | JademusSreg | *added/subtracted |
| 19:44.48 | mille25 | and it wont happen. |
| 19:45.19 | mille25 | also, it just effects movement speed |
| 19:45.20 | JademusSreg | That is interesting. |
| 19:45.24 | mille25 | you can do this with maximum life for example |
| 19:45.25 | mille25 | and it works. |
| 19:46.22 | JademusSreg | How does it behave if the input values are proper fixed-point? |
| 19:46.41 | mille25 | this was a huge problem for gear items in SCU... when you unequipped and equipped gear with movement speed a couple of times, you actually lost movement speed, so we had to make sure all movement speed changes which are ever done in the entire game were valid fixed numbers. |
| 19:48.06 | JademusSreg | My intuition says the ops are not treated equally. |
| 19:49.15 | mille25 | its just weird because, even if the input numbers are non valid, they should still get converted to the closest valid number, and then added/substracted, which should result in the correct movement speed after addition. |
| 19:49.37 | mille25 | and it seems like this is the case for everything but movement speed :D |
| 19:52.23 | JademusSreg | I'll test my suspicion when able, but either the ops are asymmetric (round for subtraction, floor for addition or some such), or the post op is asymmetric, possibly both. |
| 19:53.01 | mille25 | another interresting thing: 1.8477 is not a valid fixed number. |
| 19:54.11 | mille25 | actually, alot of those numbers seem to be invalid. weird. isnt any number invalid which cant be divided by 1/4096? |
| 19:54.34 | JademusSreg | I assume thats a text display artefact; 0.84765625 is valid. |
| 19:55.21 | JademusSreg | Increase the display to 12 digits for the text formatting. =D |
| 19:55.34 | mille25 | hm. well i guess "any" still doesnt work. |
| 19:55.46 | mille25 | at least i dont understand what its supposed to do |
| 19:55.54 | mille25 | "any" means all possible digits to me. |
| 19:56.11 | JademusSreg | YeaH. |
| 19:56.12 | mille25 | at least if they are not 0 |
| 19:56.52 | mille25 | actually i need to eat smth, brb. |
| 20:11.01 | Zolden | And I - none |
| 20:11.20 | Zolden | oh, this was scrolled down |
| 20:11.53 | Dustin | I was thinking about making a Rampart game for the blizzard contest |
| 20:12.41 | Dustin | but i dont know if people would like that as much as me |
| 20:17.03 | mille25 | Dustin: you never know until you try! :D |
| 20:17.18 | Dustin | hehe ya |
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| 20:31.48 | Zolden | addictiveness of a game is not a matter of genre, but rather of design |
| 20:32.05 | Zolden | why do i even bother to say such obvious banality |
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| 20:36.41 | kingTD | rampart? :s |
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| 21:28.16 | Bommes | does anyone have a good program for creating synthesized voices from text? |
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| 21:36.29 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 21:36.44 | ArcanePariah | :( |
| 21:37.06 | Zolden | Yoirg |
| 21:37.24 | Bommes | quack |
| 21:37.40 | Bommes | i'm downloading emily right now |
| 21:38.20 | ArcanePariah | You downloading a person? What sci fi tech is this? |
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| 21:40.58 | Bommes | I don't know |
| 21:41.00 | Bommes | it's crazy |
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| 21:43.06 | Bommes | but to be serious for a second, why the fuck do I have to install multiple programs for voice synthesis engines from the same company? |
| 21:43.09 | Bommes | and they have like 20 of those |
| 21:43.14 | Bommes | Emily, David, William, DIane |
| 21:43.16 | Bommes | what the actual fuck |
| 21:43.24 | ArcanePariah | Because writing good software does not pay |
| 21:46.02 | ArcanePariah | Also, wild guess, voice synthesis might be narrow enough of a field that only a few companies are in it at all, but I don't know. I have heard one reason some software is terrible is because literally no one else exists to write it. |
| 21:46.48 | DeadZergling | the idea of voice synthesis shouldn't be too hard to do, you know, if the English language made sense |
| 21:47.11 | DeadZergling | since all you really need to do is record certain sounds, and play a sequence of them based on the sequence |
| 21:47.16 | ArcanePariah | Haha, true |
| 21:47.21 | Bommes | from what I gathered through my google search there are a hundred different speech synthesis programs and one is more open source and unfinished than the other |
| 21:47.27 | Bommes | it's a mess |
| 21:47.48 | ArcanePariah | Well, voice recognition and synthesis is still a pretty hard problem |
| 21:48.16 | DeadZergling | it won't be when cyberdyne takes over |
| 21:48.26 | DeadZergling | all their terminators come with a perfect voice replicator built in |
| 21:48.43 | Bommes | all I want is a decent Adjutant voice |
| 21:49.03 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 21:49.06 | ArcanePariah | Well... the editor does contain the name of the voice actor, could hire her again :P |
| 21:49.19 | Zandose | can i make a unit stand on another unit? for instance, if with units have collosion and one jumps exactly on the top of the other it stays there. |
| 21:49.22 | Bommes | Robin in english speaking countries is usually a female name, right? |
| 21:49.33 | ArcanePariah | Yes, usuually |
| 21:49.36 | Bommes | because where I live it can be both female and male but is usually male |
| 21:49.40 | Bommes | why the fuck |
| 21:49.40 | JademusSreg | Unless you're Batman's sidekick. |
| 21:49.52 | Bommes | do they name speech synthesis engines after names |
| 21:50.05 | Bommes | and then use names that are not specific for a gender |
| 21:50.10 | Bommes | fuck these guys, like seriously |
| 21:50.26 | ArcanePariah | Hehe, well, they don't win prizes for good software names |
| 21:51.47 | Zolden | Bommes install Billy The Mouthfucker, he has the funniest voice |
| 21:52.11 | Zolden | and it wouldn't be me if I wouldn't ask: isn't there by chance a Hitler voice emulation? |
| 21:52.51 | DeadZergling | perhaps they are the names of their robot sex dolls, Bommes |
| 21:52.57 | DeadZergling | make good sense to have names like that then |
| 21:53.19 | Bommes | Hm, does "Callie" sound male or female to you? |
| 21:53.41 | Ahli | sounds more like a dog name |
| 21:53.42 | Bommes | I would guess female, but it could be a messed up nickname for Karl too, so who knows. |
| 21:54.30 | DeadZergling | you know, if it doesn't HAVE to be an adjutant voice, could just start recording yourself |
| 21:54.37 | DeadZergling | Make a new character :P |
| 21:54.38 | Zolden | Callie sounds like shittie, becasue in rassian cal is medical name of shit |
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| 21:56.21 | JademusSreg | Could just make a sound for each phoneme. |
| 22:09.07 | Bommes | ok, last bets still possible, which voice will turn out as the winner? amy, allison, emily, callie, diane or robin? |
| 22:09.19 | ArcanePariah | Going with Amy |
| 22:15.42 | Bommes | they are all pretty cheesy |
| 22:15.45 | Bommes | Callie might have potential though |
| 22:16.01 | Bommes | after adding some other sound effects to the voice |
| 22:17.37 | Zolden | yea, sc2sness is all about effects |
| 22:27.48 | Zolden | wow |
| 22:28.32 | Zolden | there's a chance that I found a way for a model-independent rtt pip |
| 22:33.12 | Zolden | yes, it works for usual textures, it will for rtt |
| 22:36.19 | Bommes | btw rtschutter, how did you end up fixing the missile out of bounds target point problem? |
| 22:36.40 | Bommes | did using a throw driver work out in some way? |
| 22:37.53 | Zolden | I'm gonna make a map where you select any unit, and see what he sees on a little screen |
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| 23:06.28 | Bounty | Peow |
| 23:11.02 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 23:15.43 | JademusSreg | Pewoink |
| 23:20.44 | Bounty | So, JademusSreg I've been doing some thinking |
| 23:21.04 | Bounty | and I think it would be quite appropriate since you're making Photon Cycles 2.0 and I make Photon Discs 2 |
| 23:21.14 | Bounty | Showdoooown |
| 23:21.37 | Bounty | and I totally butchered that sentence.... |
| 23:23.36 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... where to set aside time to add stuff to wiki... |
| 23:31.38 | JademusSreg | I like how you cleverly added a "2" to the name. |
| 23:33.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:33.12 | Bounty | well the setting is going to be different so maybe I will switch up the name |
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| 23:55.03 | JademusSreg | Wat's the setting? |
| 23:55.13 | Bounty | water |
| 23:55.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:55.31 | Bounty | thats best I can say for now |
| 23:56.06 | JademusSreg | So 3D Photon Discs, only instead of Perservers on electroblue saw blades it's Naga. |
| 23:56.21 | Bounty | No, still same models (Plus some new ones) |
| 23:56.35 | Bounty | Character appearance will be similar to Photon Synergy |
| 23:56.48 | Bounty | everything else will be Photon Disc styled |
| 23:56.59 | Bounty | I just thought the character customization in Synergy was good |
| 23:57.13 | Bounty | and no, not 3D photon discs |
| 23:57.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:57.31 | Bounty | I might have some jumping or different heights |
| 23:57.34 | Bounty | but still 2D shooting |
| 23:58.10 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, small quick technical question, which flag on damage effects makes them ignore shields and do direct HP damage? |
| 23:58.40 | Ahli | no absorp shield |
| 23:58.47 | JademusSreg | Snipe'd |
| 23:58.54 | JademusSreg | Nicely done, Ahli. |
| 23:59.03 | ArcanePariah | kk thanks, you both win a cookie :D |
| 23:59.31 | Ahli | they should rename it to ignore shield vital or something |
| 23:59.42 | Bounty | The only thing I'm not sure of yet JademusSreg is movement |
| 23:59.51 | Bounty | I was thinking of making it sort of "icey" |
| 23:59.59 | Bounty | in that when you stop moving you continue to move for a bit |
