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| 00:06.55 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1w4eg9/quick_question_about_arcade_and_wol_dont_upvote/ceynay6 lol |
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| 00:15.52 | Bounty | Pew |
| 00:16.08 | Bounty | So, I did some tests regarding unit movement speed and distance timer |
| 00:16.12 | Bounty | 1.0 = 0.875 seconds 1.5 = 0.5625 seconds |
| 00:16.14 | Bounty | over a distance of 1 |
| 00:16.33 | Bounty | anyone know what the formula would be? |
| 00:17.32 | Kueken | did you test it with a bigger distance? |
| 00:17.40 | Kueken | also how did you test arrival? |
| 00:17.51 | Kueken | did you account for unit radius etc? |
| 00:17.56 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.32 | Bounty | it checks until the distance between the unit and the destination is 0 |
| 00:18.46 | Kueken | movespeed should be 1 distance per 1 game-time seconds |
| 00:19.17 | Bounty | I need to convert it to real time |
| 00:19.24 | Bounty | testing with a distance of 2 right now |
| 00:19.26 | Bounty | speed of 1 |
| 00:19.55 | Bounty | Distance of 2 |
| 00:20.00 | Bounty | at speed of 1 is |
| 00:20.02 | Bounty | 1.875 |
| 00:20.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:20.17 | Bounty | shouldn't it be double? |
| 00:20.39 | Kueken | I assume there is a 0.125 radius or something that interferes |
| 00:21.23 | Bounty | which radius would it be? |
| 00:21.25 | Bounty | in data |
| 00:21.27 | Kueken | anyway, real-time to game-time depends on the speed settings |
| 00:21.34 | Bounty | its set to normal |
| 00:21.54 | Kueken | not sure, unit radius, inner radius, might be something else entirely... |
| 00:22.41 | Bounty | FieldDark Templar (Basic) Movement: Inner Radius0 (Basic) Movement: Radius0 Movement: Separation Radius0 |
| 00:22.51 | Bounty | is what I had it set to |
| 00:23.30 | Bommes | 0.125 = 0.0625*2 |
| 00:24.09 | Bommes | so it's probably just a measurement error because triggers just don't run fast enough |
| 00:24.26 | Bounty | So there is no way to do it? |
| 00:24.44 | Bommes | I'm just guessing of course |
| 00:27.35 | Bommes | 0.0625 is the minimum radius for a unit |
| 00:28.15 | Bommes | maybe that plays a role as well |
| 00:28.32 | Bommes | or the minimum radius > 0 I mean |
| 00:29.53 | Bounty | yeah but I have those radius set to 0 |
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| 01:01.40 | Nytemare3701 | Question for other mappers: What kind of process do you use to test your maps before release? do you have an internal testing community or friends? |
| 01:02.37 | Nytemare3701 | related: How do you know it's time to release instead of continuing to polish or succumb to feature creep? |
| 01:22.17 | ArcanePariah | Nytemare3701, in terms of testing, you have the following options: You can single player test with test document. There is a condition check that can check if the game is running in test mode, so you can add test mode specific code. There are a number of cheats for test document you can use to more rapidly test |
| 01:22.35 | ArcanePariah | Next option: Online, publish private and invite people to the game |
| 01:23.00 | ArcanePariah | Next option: Seek other mapmakers. SC2 Mapster hosts a map night every week, where a number of us get to gether to play each others maps |
| 01:23.37 | Nytemare3701 | I'm currently using the test document, but many of my features require input from multiple characters. |
| 01:23.41 | ArcanePariah | Final Option: Publish publicly but under an obscure name, and let people just play it/review it |
| 01:23.55 | ArcanePariah | Well, you can simulate that if needed, but yes, eventually you will need other people |
| 01:24.44 | ArcanePariah | You can also advertise on various forums if necessary, as well as Twitter/Facebook/etc. |
| 01:25.27 | ArcanePariah | As for determining when it is time for release: That is something that is incredibly difficult, especially when it is made for you, by you. |
| 01:25.37 | ArcanePariah | Even today, no one has a reliable method |
| 01:25.46 | ArcanePariah | It helps to have a design before hand, or a goal |
| 01:26.05 | ArcanePariah | But sometimes a design on paper ends up being crap in execution and gets tossed out. |
| 01:26.14 | Nytemare3701 | I know that feeling all too well. |
| 01:26.18 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg is notorious for that :D (We luve you Jade) |
| 01:27.11 | ArcanePariah | It has been argued that software (and by extension video games) can not be built, they must be grown. |
| 01:28.06 | ArcanePariah | I would say, based on my limited experience, that you should have a overarching design of game purpose, and then fill it in, but not become wedded to any particular game system |
| 01:28.14 | ArcanePariah | and evolve it based on intial feedback |
| 01:28.26 | ArcanePariah | And sometimes it is plain dumb luck tbh |
| 01:28.55 | ArcanePariah | To which I can say somewhat happened to my map. It is the only PvE map on the 1st page of NA, and I still don't entirely understand why :D |
| 01:29.18 | Nytemare3701 | What did you make? |
| 01:29.50 | ArcanePariah | I did not make, more of volunteered to help along, Night of the Dead |
| 01:29.54 | Nytemare3701 | ah |
| 01:30.29 | ArcanePariah | It was made by 3 guys at first, 2 of them burned out. Last one is still here, he is the main guy (Ability) and I volunteered to help fix stuff, organized, optimized and implement some stuff |
| 01:30.46 | Nytemare3701 | Well, congrats to you then :-D |
| 01:31.24 | ArcanePariah | It has had its up and downs, but NotD is one of the oldest maps on the arcade, and somehow it has become quite attractive to people. I played it for easily over 3k hours before volunteering |
| 01:31.37 | Nytemare3701 | I've got another one for you: I want to change the grey fog of war to transparent, as if the area is actively uncovered. |
| 01:31.45 | ArcanePariah | One person (I think he is nuts), has played over 5k NotD games |
| 01:31.51 | Nytemare3701 | It's important that it's still technicall FoW, so it hides units. |
| 01:32.03 | ArcanePariah | And furthermore, an average NotD game lasts over an hour |
| 01:32.17 | ArcanePariah | So... I think he is slightly insane, but hey :P |
| 01:33.18 | Nytemare3701 | (brb) |
| 01:33.47 | ArcanePariah | I believe you need ot create a new FoW data object and set it to have an alpha of 0, but I will need to test |
| 01:36.48 | Nytemare3701 | That's what I tried yesterday :-P |
| 01:37.25 | Nytemare3701 | Is that the CFoW or the Grey Mask? |
| 01:37.41 | Nytemare3701 | I ended up getting mixed up. |
| 01:38.54 | Nytemare3701 | Eh, I don't use the grey for anything, I'll do them both for now. |
| 01:39.37 | Nytemare3701 | didn't seem to do anything. maybe it has to do with the light radius of units? |
| 01:39.51 | Nytemare3701 | since I have the AoE of full sight, then a grey area, then black |
| 01:40.49 | Nytemare3701 | Oh damnit. I didn't know that making a structure turnable would make it rotate randomly each time it was built. |
| 01:44.41 | Kueken | pretty sure you can counteract that |
| 01:44.51 | Kueken | especially if its only visual |
| 01:45.37 | Nytemare3701 | I'm trying to make vespene buildings point in specific directions according to region |
| 01:58.52 | Nytemare3701 | Can you make a region with multiple disconnected areas? I'd rather not add a ton of regions with OR conditions for all of them -_- |
| 02:01.58 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 02:03.09 | ArcanePariah | In the terrain editor, you can shift select 2 regions and right click, and there should be an option to merge them |
| 02:18.50 | ArcanePariah | Well it does appear F2P for the arcade is working, ton of people on sc2 now |
| 02:19.42 | ArcanePariah | And SCU apparently has hit Alpha stage |
| 02:26.14 | Nytemare3701 | hot damn. |
| 02:26.41 | Nytemare3701 | I should get a move on then, I need to get this thing into a working state before the crowd dies down. |
| 02:28.40 | Nytemare3701 | anyone know why I keep getting this error on my duplicated civ? |
| 02:28.43 | Nytemare3701 | [1/25/2014 6:28:46 PM] Warning: USER: [ d9a a8] CActorUnit[HumanScout] CivilianFemale Assets\Units\Terran\ColonistFemale\ColonistFemale_00.m3; Could not find texture with slot main.specular and expression Innate. |
| 02:29.00 | Bounty | There are -74 people in the SCMapster chat channel on bnet |
| 02:29.00 | Bounty | figure that out |
| 02:29.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:29.06 | Nytemare3701 | Maybe it rolled over o.o |
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| 04:05.15 | Bounty | Anyone alive? Pew |
| 04:19.54 | A1win | pew |
| 04:27.48 | Bounty | A1win, I have a question for you |
| 04:27.59 | Bounty | If you're still here of course lol |
| 04:42.24 | A1win | still in bed, trying to catch more sleep |
| 04:55.39 | A1win | still no name for my map :E |
| 05:00.19 | Bounty | Coming up with a name is quite difficult |
| 05:00.19 | ArcanePariah | Just call it Planetbound |
| 05:00.30 | ArcanePariah | in other news, adding Shiva Arena back into my map |
| 05:00.35 | Bounty | and it is also very important to your games success lol |
| 05:00.37 | ArcanePariah | for total shits and giggles |
| 05:00.41 | Bounty | ArcanePariah! |
| 05:00.46 | Bounty | Just who I was looking for |
| 05:00.56 | ArcanePariah | lol, because I got a Shiva? |
| 05:00.58 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 05:01.00 | Bounty | If you don't mind, may I ask you a quick question? |
| 05:01.05 | Bounty | Has to do with crowd funding |
| 05:01.06 | ArcanePariah | Sure |
| 05:01.16 | Bounty | You have played some of my games yes? |
| 05:01.23 | ArcanePariah | No idea |
| 05:01.30 | Bounty | err |
| 05:01.50 | ArcanePariah | I hardly look at author names, and I haven't played many arcade maps in a while, due to work on NotD |
| 05:02.00 | Bounty | Alright |
| 05:02.02 | Bounty | Well |
| 05:02.26 | Bounty | Blizzard suggested that my kickstarter be around multiple games over x amount of time |
| 05:02.37 | Bounty | What I am thinking is, 5-6 games over the course of a year for 30k |
| 05:02.44 | Bounty | Does that sound reasonable? |
| 05:02.50 | ArcanePariah | Sounds good, and quite reasonable |
| 05:03.04 | Bounty | I am debating on the price though |
| 05:03.06 | ArcanePariah | People don't get that making games is expensive in terms of time |
| 05:03.09 | Bounty | because I want to hire a composer... |
| 05:03.13 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:03.27 | ArcanePariah | Sure, do we have to pay for supplies? Nope. But it is hard, hence why so few do it, and most do it badly |
| 05:03.28 | Bounty | These games would be extremely polished vs my other free time versions |
| 05:03.46 | Bounty | I usually don't finish mine due to time |
| 05:03.52 | Bounty | but they still seem to make it lol |
| 05:04.01 | Bounty | what about 40k? |
| 05:04.09 | Bounty | the other 10k would go to a composer |
| 05:04.25 | Bounty | That is when I hit my WTF zone |
| 05:04.33 | Bounty | No sure how much a composer costs... |
| 05:05.08 | ArcanePariah | It varies a lot |
| 05:05.10 | ArcanePariah | I don't know either |
| 05:05.22 | Bounty | does 10k sound like a bit too much? |
| 05:05.28 | Bounty | for 5 games lol |
| 05:05.38 | ArcanePariah | Probably not, over 5 games |
| 05:05.42 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 05:05.45 | Bounty | and I am very picky |
| 05:06.05 | Bounty | Never worked with one personally |
| 05:06.30 | A1win | ask a composer? |
| 05:07.13 | Bounty | Trying |
| 05:07.32 | Bounty | Although I have been contacting mostly lower quality composers |
| 05:07.39 | Bounty | Should probably contact a few high rated ones |
| 05:08.03 | Bounty | Anyone ever work with one before? |
| 05:08.21 | ArcanePariah | Nope |
| 05:08.29 | A1win | we had one on our mod team |
| 05:08.35 | A1win | one |
| 05:08.41 | A1win | nvm |
| 05:09.40 | A1win | haven't been in contact, though |
| 05:10.38 | A1win | http://sebastianaav.bandcamp.com/album/overwatch-original-soundtrack |
| 05:21.15 | Bounty | A1win, what do you think of my crowd funding concept? |
| 05:21.26 | Bounty | Reasonable or too pricey? |
| 05:21.33 | A1win | dunno |
| 05:21.58 | Bounty | Have you ever played anything I've done? |
| 05:22.35 | A1win | it all comees down to what people are willing to pay |
| 05:22.45 | A1win | not really |
| 05:22.52 | Bounty | Oh I know |
| 05:23.11 | Bounty | I am just trying to get some third party opinions. |
| 05:23.23 | A1win | but I haven't really played almost anything on arcade |
| 05:23.39 | Bounty | Because the way I see it, SCU got 80k and I can deliver much more in a shorter amount of time for less. |
| 05:23.53 | Bounty | Me either A1win |
| 05:24.21 | Bounty | Is it weird how as developers we actually tend to not play much of the games on the Arcade lol |
| 05:25.14 | A1win | just neeed to make your presentation appealing enough, SCU had an advantage since people were already interested |
| 05:26.01 | Bounty | That is what I am hoping Blizzard will take care of |
| 05:26.04 | A1win | it is something that everyone has thought about |
| 05:26.29 | Bounty | They say they are so interested in all of my games, so here you go |
| 05:26.39 | Bounty | Perfect opportunity lol |
| 05:29.41 | A1win | I also need some means of income, but my motivation is too low ;p |
| 05:31.04 | Bounty | My motivation greatly depends on whether I can survive or not lol |
| 05:31.42 | A1win | yeah.. I can survive being unemployed |
| 05:32.14 | Bounty | I cannot |
| 05:32.25 | Bounty | Unless I was getting some sort of unemployment checks |
| 05:34.01 | A1win | I kind of want to do great things with my life but I kind of don't want to spend the effort :P |
| 05:34.34 | Bounty | If I understand what you're saying A1win, I think I 100% agree |
| 05:34.52 | Bounty | You don't want to go through that period in which you earn nothing? |
| 05:35.27 | A1win | I'm already in that period, haha |
| 05:35.29 | Bounty | Sort of like an insanely long internship lol |
| 05:35.47 | Bounty | Yeah... I'll be joining you in about a month |
| 05:36.13 | Bounty | You live in the states? |
| 05:36.43 | A1win | Finland |
| 05:36.49 | Bounty | Ah |
| 05:37.24 | Bounty | What do you do for a living? If you don't mind me asking |
| 05:37.34 | Bounty | profession wise |
| 05:37.59 | A1win | if I could make some success with my projects and get a bit of attention, maybe I could get some motivation back |
| 05:38.16 | Bounty | Have you tried emailing Blizzard? |
| 05:38.27 | Bounty | Like, have they not contacted you at all? |
| 05:38.29 | A1win | nothing, I was studying CS but haven't finished |
| 05:38.39 | Bounty | How old are you btw? |
| 05:38.49 | Bounty | If you don't mind me asking. |
| 05:38.57 | A1win | 28 :x |
| 05:39.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:39.03 | Bounty | same |
| 05:39.13 | A1win | haven't talked to blizz |
| 05:39.16 | Bounty | but anyways |
| 05:39.21 | Bounty | they have not contacted you at all? |
| 05:39.27 | Bounty | in anyway? |
| 05:39.34 | Bounty | What games have you made so far? |
| 05:39.36 | A1win | why would they? |
| 05:39.59 | Bounty | Published games of course |
| 05:40.33 | A1win | only released CraftCraft on arcadr, and it's a huge clusterfuck :P |
| 05:40.42 | A1win | *e |
| 05:40.43 | Bounty | Its popular though is it not? |
| 05:40.47 | Bounty | Last I checked it was |
| 05:40.59 | A1win | not really |
| 05:41.33 | A1win | it was on first page for a short while but it's not well replayable |
| 05:42.07 | A1win | and it isn't really even finished |
| 05:43.06 | A1win | anyway, this space map thing is better polished, not fonished of course |
| 05:43.43 | A1win | just need a name and I'm almost ready to publish |
| 05:44.49 | A1win | but I've "just" needed a name for like 3 months now |
| 05:47.23 | A1win | mrh time to get up, not lile I'm falling asleep while talking here |
| 05:47.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:47.42 | Bounty | You'll come up with something, I assume you're talking about the planet game? |
| 05:53.17 | A1win | yeah |
| 05:53.42 | A1win | and I know how names can be, took us ages to come up with the name Overwatch for our Half-Life 2 mod |
| 05:53.57 | A1win | we were going to name it something like Attrition at first |
| 05:54.25 | A1win | I mean, we considered Overwatch for a while for a team name or something |
| 05:54.35 | A1win | and no one realized to think about it as the mod's name |
| 05:54.54 | A1win | then something clicked and everyone was like O.o |
| 05:55.18 | Bounty | Names are tricky, they can account for 25% of the people who try your game lol |
| 05:55.54 | A1win | mmm... |
| 05:56.18 | A1win | some people don't care about them that much but pretty sure it's still a huge factor |
| 05:56.34 | A1win | like why would I play something that hasn't even bothered to spend time figuring out a name |
| 05:56.39 | Bounty | From my experience, it only seems to be a factor when it comes to first impressions |
| 05:56.45 | Bounty | Getting that "click" |
| 05:56.47 | Bounty | etc |
| 05:56.49 | A1win | mm |
| 05:58.00 | A1win | some recent name ideas I had that I don't really like but anyway: Void Zone, So Much Gravity, Bad Gravity |
| 05:59.28 | A1win | Much Space. Such Gravity. Wow. |
| 05:59.32 | A1win | <.< |
| 05:59.35 | Bounty | Galactic Warfare |
| 05:59.50 | Bounty | I would suggest you go with the setting |
| 06:00.06 | A1win | that sounds war on a much larger scale than this is |
| 06:00.14 | Bounty | the gravity mechanic is that not that noticeable last I saw. |
| 06:00.32 | A1win | mmm |
| 06:00.50 | Bounty | err not that* |
| 06:00.52 | A1win | Battlespace might have worked, but it was taken by someone |
| 06:02.01 | Bounty | the setting is around a single solar system yes? |
| 06:02.06 | A1win | people have been suggesting things like "space war" and such, I guess they got the right idea, but not the right name :P |
| 06:02.11 | A1win | sort of |
| 06:02.17 | A1win | there's no star there :P |
| 06:02.22 | A1win | been calling it a planet cluster |
| 06:02.42 | A1win | the planets are just stuck in space, so it's not a realistic setting anyway |
| 06:02.48 | Bounty | Solar Strife |
| 06:03.17 | Bounty | Solar Struggle |
| 06:03.41 | A1win | I don't think Solar works, considering the lack of a sun ;p |
| 06:03.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:04.07 | Bounty | Galactic Strife |
| 06:04.26 | Bounty | Basically what you need is, two words |
| 06:04.35 | Bounty | the first describing the setting and the second describing the gameplay |
| 06:04.47 | A1win | yeah... been pairing them up like crazy |
| 06:04.50 | A1win | :P |
| 06:05.05 | Bounty | You'll come up wit something, definitely. |
| 06:05.09 | Bounty | Takes awhile sometimes lol |
| 06:05.15 | A1win | my vocabluary isn't the biggest, though |
| 06:05.23 | Bounty | Either is mine... |
| 06:05.29 | Bounty | google ftw |
| 06:05.32 | A1win | been browsing thesaurus a lot |
| 06:05.39 | Bounty | http://thesaurus.com/browse/conflict |
| 06:06.05 | A1win | I have a custom search created for it in Opera so I can just type "t something" to find thesaurus entry for "something" |
| 06:06.45 | A1win | there aren't enough words for a space setting ;( |
| 06:07.23 | Bounty | Galactic or Galaxy should work well |
| 06:08.07 | A1win | maybe, but it isn't as accurate as "space", which is much more boring :P |
| 06:08.26 | Bounty | Does not have to be accurate |
| 06:08.35 | A1win | I mean... it's just a small part of space, galactic sounds much larger |
| 06:08.38 | Bounty | Just has to somewhat describe the setting and be appealing |
| 06:09.54 | A1win | well it should not be *inaccurate* |
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| 06:11.50 | A1win | I mean "galactic" can work, but not when it's paired with something that makes it sound like it's happening on a galactic scale... like galactic warfare sounds like some massive RTS game |
| 06:14.25 | A1win | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Earth%27s_Location_in_the_Universe_%28JPEG%29.jpg |
| 06:15.35 | A1win | big universe D: |
| 06:16.17 | A1win | our local supercluster is thought to contain over 47000 galaxies |
| 06:16.30 | A1win | 47000 GALAXIES asddsffg |
| 06:17.07 | Bounty | I guess it depends on how much you care for descriptive accuracy. |
| 06:18.06 | A1win | well just speaking in general, in the end, it's all about how the actual name sounds and what associations it has |
| 06:28.20 | A1win | just launched this map again, somehow it seems even better than the last time I did :E |
| 06:28.25 | A1win | that should be a good sign |
| 06:36.59 | Bounty | That is always a good sign |
| 06:37.05 | A1win | hmm feels a bit weird when I activate a weapon with a cooldown and suddenly can't shoot at all until I switch my weapon |
| 06:38.40 | Bounty | Cooldowns are always tricky |
| 06:38.51 | Bounty | Because they get in the way of fluidity |
| 06:39.08 | A1win | not sure how to fix... maybe with a fallback selection list that sorts your weapons in "last used" order and selects the latest one that is not on a cooldown |
| 06:39.41 | Bounty | What is the issue exactly? |
| 06:40.04 | A1win | weapons have two fire modes, and you always have to select a weapon first before you can use it with mouse1 and mouse2 |
| 06:40.20 | A1win | so when one weapon has a cooldown in its secondary mode, you can't fire its primary mode either |
| 06:40.28 | A1win | and have to switch to another weapon before you can shoot at all |
| 06:41.03 | A1win | there's no benefit at all in keeping a weapon selected if it's on a cooldown (unless the cooldown is just running out) |
| 06:42.08 | A1win | you get used to that after a while but now that I tried this after a long break, it felt a bit weird |
| 06:45.27 | Bounty | split the cooldowns? |
| 06:45.38 | Bounty | Mouse 1 and Mouse 2 use separate cooldowns |
| 06:46.09 | A1win | nah, then you'd always want to use cooldowns as soon as they become available |
| 06:46.22 | A1win | now they have the drawback of not being able to use that primary fire mode while active |
| 06:46.37 | A1win | so you have to alter your weapons more often |
| 06:46.51 | Bounty | That seems like a bit much |
| 06:47.01 | A1win | how so? |
| 06:47.10 | Bounty | What if I like using that weapon? |
| 06:47.17 | Bounty | Or that weapon is good in certain situations |
| 06:47.25 | Bounty | So if I use its Mouse 2 fire |
| 06:47.28 | Bounty | I lose the weapon |
| 06:47.32 | Bounty | So why use mouse 2 at all |
| 06:47.38 | A1win | the cooldowns are like 8-10 seconds at most |
| 06:47.44 | Bounty | A single effect for the cost of 2 weapons |
| 06:47.52 | Bounty | That is a looong time lol |
| 06:48.19 | A1win | hmmf |
| 06:49.13 | A1win | just wondering if I actually need that drawback |
| 06:49.31 | Bounty | Doubtful |
| 06:49.33 | A1win | can't remember if I had some good reason to have it ;p |
| 06:50.07 | A1win | will probably feel a lot better without it, but will have to rebalance the weapons that have a cooldown |
| 06:50.17 | A1win | all two of them, oh noo |
| 06:50.38 | A1win | (this is why I've been holding back on implementing more weapons :P) |
| 06:50.52 | A1win | get mechanics right first, then add content |
| 06:51.52 | Bounty | How addicted are your testers to the game? |
| 06:52.16 | A1win | dunno about addiction, but most people have liked it |
| 06:52.29 | Bounty | Are they eager to play it again? |
| 06:53.07 | A1win | well I've only really tested with people from this channel and some randoms at times, but I think so |
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| 06:53.44 | Bounty | I would focus on that first |
| 06:53.51 | A1win | but there was one guy who was like "OH YEAH THIS GAME, WOOOO" and then like 2 minutes later "you should add upgrades, this game is boring" |
| 06:54.20 | Bounty | Every game receives that as feedback |
| 06:54.22 | A1win | focus on what? |
| 06:54.25 | Bounty | "NEEDS UPGRADES" |
| 06:54.25 | A1win | hehe |
| 06:54.37 | Bounty | That is not to say some of them do not need that |
| 06:54.48 | Bounty | Focus on getting people to beg to test |
| 06:54.51 | Bounty | :) |
| 06:54.55 | Bounty | Because they want to play |
| 06:54.59 | A1win | some have done that already |
| 06:55.08 | Bounty | Good |
| 06:55.37 | A1win | damn, I didn't even realize how much I polished this during the last few days of development D: |
| 06:56.19 | A1win | it's only really missing better graphics, more weapons and stuff, and an end condition (maybe a vote to how many rounds are played or something) |
| 06:56.36 | A1win | (with the option for infinite) |
| 06:58.34 | A1win | now let's see if my cooldown change worked... |
| 06:59.46 | A1win | not quite ;p now it removes the cooldown if I fire with primary mode while it's active |
| 07:00.08 | A1win | ah because it starts the cooldown even if it's 0 |
| 07:02.11 | A1win | whee now it works ;p |
| 07:02.59 | A1win | now there's potential to get huge numbers of projectiles out if everyone burns all their cooldowns at the same time :P probably should reduce the number of projectiles from the cooldown abilities a bit |
| 07:08.42 | A1win | yeah much better now, can increase the cooldowns for balance and make the effects less powerful |
| 07:09.17 | A1win | now the cooldown abilities ignore global cooldown too so you can always be sure it gets used when you hit the button |
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| 07:36.09 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/AzmodanGif_zps7c4107fb.gif?t=1390721204 |
| 07:36.21 | Daara | Taylor did great on the scripts. |
| 07:36.30 | Daara | Thought a little buggy they still work :D |
| 07:36.59 | Zolden | yea |
| 07:37.24 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/DiabloGif_zps069b52ed.gif?t=1390721177 |
| 07:38.20 | kingTD | G0A what Race UI u had when we played AoK? |
| 07:38.42 | Zolden | Daara do you plan to add normals/specs for them? really improves |
| 07:39.02 | Daara | they already have normal and specs |
| 07:39.32 | Daara | although i didn't set the specular up correctly |
| 07:39.53 | Zolden | realy? taylor found a way to extract normal/specular maps? |
| 07:40.52 | kingTD | yeah kinda looks like shit and out of place like zoldens models, editions |
| 07:41.10 | Daara | diablo and azmodan have the normal and spec textures you can extract from the mpq |
| 07:41.33 | Zolden | ok, just use them |
| 07:44.24 | Daara | they also have an emissive texture |
| 07:44.30 | Daara | i just turned it up a bit |
| 07:44.33 | Daara | and the spec |
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| 07:45.48 | ezbeats | evening, anyone out there awake and up for testing a map out? (dont require long, but feedback is nice!) |
| 07:50.29 | kingTD | ezbeats lets break ur shit! |
| 07:52.21 | Daara | better zolden? |
| 07:52.23 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/AzmodanGif2_zps071cae6a.gif?t=1390722716 |
| 07:54.38 | Zolden | yea |
| 07:55.15 | Zolden | i'd increase some multipliers to make spec better, in sc2 it usually brighter |
| 07:55.43 | Daara | i have it on Jumbo and 3.0 multiplier |
| 07:55.45 | Zolden | or maybe more saturation/brightness on diffuse texture |
| 07:57.21 | Zolden | well, sometimes it looks better if you put some +0.05 add, also 1.1 multiplier within the spec map |
| 07:57.45 | Zolden | dont remember waht's jumbo, I usually use small or tiny |
| 07:58.24 | Daara | small wasn't enough imo |
| 07:58.55 | Zolden | i'd expect his legs to have more specularity, not as much as zerg have, jsut a bit more |
| 07:59.06 | Daara | actually i was on large |
| 08:00.51 | Daara | i don't know what's going on with the textures |
| 08:00.58 | Daara | but it looks like absolute garbage in MA |
| 08:01.01 | Daara | MAX* |
| 08:01.12 | Daara | but when it comes into SC2 it looks decent |
| 08:04.33 | Zolden | max don't use sc2 shader and sc2 lightning, it only uses diffuse map and shitty max lightning |
| 08:04.41 | Zolden | *light |
| 08:11.56 | Bommes | Zolden, even the SCU guys noticed the battle.net latency improvement! http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1w4zqy/starcraft_universe_alpha_ptr_launch_developer/cez1k2v |
| 08:12.34 | Zolden | great |
| 08:12.46 | Zolden | if it really happened, I'm glad |
| 08:13.00 | A1win | I'm still struggling with the name for my map x_x |
| 08:13.16 | Zolden | I was skeptical because they haven't done it b4, and I thought there are reasons to not do it |
| 08:13.57 | Zolden | A1win will you publish it for masses after get the name or plan to improve the models? |
| 08:14.07 | A1win | not sure |
| 08:15.05 | A1win | if it will seem to take too long to get the models, I might just release it |
| 08:15.47 | Zolden | so, I'd recommend to release, it's cool enough to be a fun map |
| 08:16.07 | Zolden | and as for me, I don't know when I have time and desire to model for other ppl |
| 08:16.13 | A1win | mmm |
| 08:16.31 | A1win | might find someone willing to do it after I release more easily |
| 08:16.48 | A1win | but... I need the name ;p |
| 08:17.03 | Zolden | ask kingTD, he's lazy, but good |
| 08:17.09 | A1win | not going to pick just anything, it really does make a difference what a map is called |
| 08:17.25 | A1win | (or rather, what a game is called) |
| 08:17.36 | A1win | I shouldn't call this a "map" :P |
| 08:17.46 | Zolden | do you want variants or will think by yourself? |
| 08:18.00 | A1win | variants? |
| 08:18.03 | Zolden | yea, it's definitely a game, not a map |
| 08:18.17 | Zolden | i mean names to suggest ofr you or you plan to geneerate them by yourself |
| 08:18.35 | A1win | suggestions are always welcome |
| 08:18.51 | kingTD | what u making that u need custom models? |
| 08:19.03 | A1win | the space map thing |
| 08:19.31 | A1win | just need better planet models and custom ship models, not sure what the ships should look like though |
| 08:21.32 | Zolden | kingTD as I undesrstood, he needs a planet that would look less "realistic", a bit more cartoony, but still serious |
| 08:21.34 | A1win | they need a circular/point-symmetric design though, since they can fly and shoot to arbitrary directions and they bounce around like balls |
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| 08:23.05 | Zolden | A1win waht if it will be a crystal-looking thing? http://i.snag.gy/L18hW.jpg |
| 08:23.11 | Zolden | like this, but round, no tail |
| 08:23.31 | A1win | mmh |
| 08:23.52 | A1win | with a unique enough design for the ships, that could even affect the name for the game |
| 08:24.01 | A1win | not sure about crystals though |
| 08:24.56 | A1win | looks more like an untextured geometric shape :P |
| 08:25.26 | Zolden | your ship is small, texture doesn't matter, shae does |
| 08:25.28 | Jademus | Crystal ribbon, hilarious. |
| 08:26.10 | A1win | Zolden, yeah I suppose so |
| 08:26.23 | Zolden | ribbon makes everybody call it sperm |
| 08:27.13 | Jademus | Crystal sperm, like an 80s rockband album cover. |
| 08:27.21 | A1win | well actually texture matters too, the level of detail gives it a sense of scale |
| 08:27.47 | kingTD | im texture is one of the most important things even |
| 08:27.49 | A1win | like if it has dozens/hundreds of tiny dots that look like windows/lights/whatever, it looks lik a very big ship, even if it's small on the screen |
| 08:28.21 | Jademus | That sounds like bad aliasing. |
| 08:28.28 | kingTD | good texture work even cube can make look good |
| 08:28.39 | A1win | bad aliasing? |
| 08:28.47 | Jademus | =D |
| 08:33.15 | G0A | kingTD I dont remember, it should be protoss though |
| 08:33.39 | kingTD | it should be terran :P |
| 08:34.10 | kingTD | where is downloaded from bnet maps go? bnet or sc2maps folder? in appdata |
| 08:34.39 | Zolden | A1win so, dark with bright windoes, like battlecruiser? |
| 08:35.07 | A1win | mmh didn't mean I wanted them to look like that, just an example of how texture affects what it looks like :P |
| 08:35.37 | Jademus | Anyway, texturing is just the other half to the purpose models serve, that being to communicate something about a thing, usually form, material composition and texture, character and such. The extent to which a texturing matters depends on how effectively the model's geometry in a given context (lighting, shadows, etc) communicates shit about its subject. |
| 08:36.01 | A1win | but at some point I was wondering how it'd look like if the ships were like massive worldships that spray out tiny escape pods when they take damage |
| 08:36.41 | kingTD | Jade u are wrong as shit bricks! |
| 08:38.11 | A1win | depends on how complex the model is, I guess |
| 08:38.30 | A1win | a square can look like a circle if you apply a circle texture on it ;p |
| 08:38.45 | A1win | but model of a human can't really look like anything other than a human |
| 08:41.15 | Zolden | well, if you add a model of square under the nose of model of human... |
| 08:42.19 | A1win | ;X |
| 08:42.32 | A1win | btw, I changed cooldown weapons so that you can keep using primary mode while the cooldown is active |
| 08:42.40 | A1win | makes a lot more sense and feels much better ;p |
| 08:42.45 | A1win | just need to rebalance the weapons |
| 08:42.48 | Jademus | Good examples: http://the-witness.net/news/ |
| 08:43.34 | kingTD | WTF.. in WAH models size greater than 1 MB |
| 08:44.42 | Zolden | Jademus it's too good to be a good example |
| 08:45.00 | Jademus | Haha. |
| 08:45.03 | kingTD | and there is plenty of sound assets. music takes about 30-40 mb from 110 mb size Depedancy |
| 08:45.12 | Zolden | i'm not a michelangelo to do that |
| 08:45.47 | Jademus | "Your argument is entirely too successful, so I reject it." =D |
| 08:46.37 | A1win | too good to be true |
| 08:46.50 | Zolden | kingTD if mode is above 10 mb, it doesn't matter how much above it is |
| 08:47.03 | Zolden | some ppl can't dl 10 mb, but if one can, he can do 300 mb |
| 08:47.25 | kingTD | i just give the analysis of the mod out |
| 08:48.05 | Zolden | i'll use all dune 2 tracks if I ever remake dune 2 |
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| 08:57.00 | G0A | Some of this mobile game developers are the scum of the earth: http://kotaku.com/candy-crush-saga-makers-go-after-the-banner-saga-for-1506188958 |
| 08:57.26 | kingTD | what we have here a subdolak mod |
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| 09:00.24 | kingTD | well its feels like they want to expose themselves by this ridiculous accusations |
| 09:00.57 | kingTD | as Nordic Saga is on the rise, and Candy fuckers are unheard |
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| 09:02.49 | kingTD | Zolden u made urself textures for RoL models or what the story behind them?? |
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| 09:07.20 | kingTD | fucking shit the cache folder is spamed with outdated shit as always.. Have 4-5 versions of WarPigs |
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| 09:08.02 | kingTD | BOMMES WTF~!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:08.06 | kingTD | STOP THE SPAMM |
| 09:09.32 | Zolden | kingTD some were painted and look ugly (spider), some were made by printscreening models from RoL editor (holy arc), some were made by putting together some random internet pictures (sun idol) and look not that bad because of normal/spec |
| 09:11.12 | kingTD | And now i found my own map 5 versions |
| 09:12.57 | Zolden | steal them and publish with your name |
| 09:13.40 | kingTD | well the cool part about it that i could revisit the old more broken versions of AoK |
| 09:13.44 | kingTD | but fuck that |
| 09:16.20 | ezbeats | hey kingtd, you still looking to break a map? |
| 09:16.44 | kingTD | k |
| 09:17.02 | Bommes | get rekt irc |
| 09:17.37 | ezbeats | whats your name online or whatnot king? |
| 09:17.43 | ezbeats | how do i invite you to game? |
| 09:18.02 | kingTD | what server? twodie |
| 09:18.14 | ezbeats | server? |
| 09:18.31 | ezbeats | oh |
| 09:18.43 | ezbeats | americas |
| 09:19.36 | kingTD | im in SC2mapster or Arcademapnight groups chat |
| 09:19.47 | ezbeats | k brt |
| 09:21.50 | ezbeats | i dont see you in sc2mapster chat |
| 09:22.17 | kingTD | starcraft://group/1/98 |
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| 09:36.27 | ezbeats | so yeah |
| 09:36.38 | ezbeats | you thought the UI and color scheme was off? |
| 09:36.53 | kingTD | y now will open 10 versions of MnM |
| 09:36.59 | kingTD | why off |
| 09:37.10 | kingTD | the map envoirement is off the rails too |
| 09:37.27 | kingTD | the elevations for the volcano in the center is over done |
| 09:37.44 | kingTD | and hard to tell where u cant go and u can |
| 09:37.54 | kingTD | plus dont block vision with all the doodads for players |
| 09:37.56 | kingTD | to see shit |
| 09:38.13 | ezbeats | i wonder if its differnet grpahic or resolution settings, becuase i think i know what youre saying but i dont agree |
| 09:38.47 | kingTD | graphic setting or resolutions wont change to any better |
| 09:38.52 | ezbeats | what else did you notice though? |
| 09:38.54 | kingTD | if u made that iniatialy bad |
| 09:39.26 | kingTD | to much analyse whats bad what good enough in those bunch of choises u can make |
| 09:39.32 | ezbeats | its been created around medium graphic settings, but thats not what youre referring to |
| 09:39.49 | ezbeats | yeah, but that also adds depth IMO |
| 09:40.06 | ezbeats | at this point im trying to make everything/anything appealing |
| 09:40.22 | kingTD | yes but that doesnt mean that first time playing player will play second time this map |
| 09:40.44 | ezbeats | true |
| 09:40.44 | kingTD | as u dont really give much of info about stuff u choose and what to do |
| 09:40.48 | kingTD | in summary |
| 09:41.04 | kingTD | and not in the individual way |
| 09:41.42 | ezbeats | how do you tell someone how to play a map until they play it? Ive played maps that have all the info in the loading screen, but my first few times its jibberish. |
| 09:42.14 | kingTD | u done it on the go |
| 09:42.23 | kingTD | simpifing the UI |
| 09:42.32 | kingTD | u give to much shit on the screen |
| 09:42.38 | kingTD | to understand |
| 09:42.45 | Jademus | Good game design teaches through play; it doesn't tell. |
| 09:43.00 | ezbeats | i put hints that pop up upon each activity, but no one has time to read hints, especially vs players and not ai |
| 09:43.07 | ezbeats | i like that jademus |
| 09:43.38 | ezbeats | i used the standard UI |
| 09:44.06 | ezbeats | but thanks for the input on it seems sluttered or whatnot, ill take another look at it |
| 09:52.42 | Bommes | telling people what to do is ineffective, stop telling me what good design is! |
| 09:53.02 | Bommes | also don't listen to my last statement because it also tells you what to do |
| 09:53.31 | Bommes | as does this one, man, this is really hard |
| 09:55.45 | kingTD | ffs 25? warpigs versions? |
| 09:57.26 | Zolden | Bommes is typing people what to do - ok? |
| 09:58.12 | kingTD | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 10:00.33 | Bommes | I guess it is, but you have to end each sentence with the phrase "this message was typed to you by NAME". |
| 10:00.45 | Bommes | otherwise there is no way to tell the difference |
| 10:01.30 | Zolden | who's NAME? |
| 10:02.26 | Bommes | a placeholder for every kind of name you could ever imagine. I just invented that concept 2 minutes ago, it seems effective. |
| 10:03.01 | kingTD | more than 4k empty folders! http://snag.gy/wvMXs.jpg |
| 10:04.13 | Bommes | of course since you type the message no one can ever check if the owner of that name is actually the person who typed the message |
| 10:04.37 | Bommes | but you know, that's the tragedy of the internet and we are all part of it |
| 10:06.20 | Zolden | there's another tragedy, names lie, they are subjective and don't even exist |
| 10:08.36 | Zolden | language, communication - all this shti is a lie |
| 10:08.59 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUvKsFw7rCM |
| 10:11.01 | Zolden | music is not lie, so the best way to prove antyting - to sing, like brian and stewie sang a song about marijuana, and city legalized it |
| 10:17.47 | kingTD | welcome back free space |
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| 11:03.51 | kingTD | welc0me back hacked files |
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| 12:01.22 | Edogaa | o-o So, I am trying to make mod, I tried to modify a unit, and I think I did it correctly (went directly to unit under editor, found the ability and modified it to how I wanted to) but the barracks still produces thee standard unit even when the mod is used? |
| 12:01.39 | Edogaa | trying to figure it out by running around the map editor and exploring |
| 12:03.08 | Zolden | Edogaa I remember some nice youtube tutorial about how to make barracks produce different units |
| 12:04.38 | Edogaa | ? |
| 12:05.00 | Edogaa | So, if I modify an existing unit to do something different I have to replace it from it's structure? |
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| 12:10.53 | Zolden | my point is that if you that noob, you need to watch youtube tutorials |
| 12:10.59 | Edogaa | kk |
| 12:11.07 | Edogaa | Where is it D: |
| 12:11.28 | Zolden | just search with something like "sc2 editor how to ..." |
| 12:13.40 | Zolden | Edogaa actually this may help http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/Tutorials |
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| 14:10.57 | kingTD | how many are there in SC2 warcraft3 recreations? |
| 14:11.03 | Zolden | 3 |
| 14:11.29 | Zolden | chinese, russian and alliance and horde |
| 14:11.32 | Zolden | you want more? |
| 14:11.34 | Zolden | make one |
| 14:11.57 | Zolden | ohm wait, there was anothier one |
| 14:12.15 | Zolden | wasn't finished, nut there were a couple of vids on mapster |
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| 14:13.30 | kingTD | im playing other one i guess |
| 14:13.40 | kingTD | only orcs (?) |
| 14:15.19 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/Hd92Q.jpg |
| 14:17.53 | Zolden | fuck them then |
| 14:17.59 | Zolden | let they count themselves |
| 14:18.10 | Ahli | did renee finish hers? |
| 14:18.31 | Zolden | she said melee part is finished |
| 14:20.26 | Delphinium | the server of GoblinAcademy Forum is dead... |
| 14:20.30 | Delphinium | :( |
| 14:21.11 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/EsSt6.jpg |
| 14:22.38 | kingTD | soo much attachments |
| 14:22.45 | kingTD | of other models to other |
| 14:25.02 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/UPEEv.jpg |
| 14:32.04 | Zolden | oh, it's another robin's mod, he's fan of cnc and spams alot of maps like this |
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| 14:52.10 | Zolden | kingTD go become scu data specialist |
| 14:52.29 | kingTD | starting playing other shit |
| 14:54.51 | Ahli | hmm, so my constant high CPU usage seems to be connected with a distributedCom warning that I receive hundreds of per second |
| 14:55.09 | Ahli | *thousands |
| 14:55.18 | Ahli | >30k per second, lol |
| 15:03.55 | Zolden | how ukrainians captue goverment buildings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi_B637FCDY |
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| 15:25.12 | Zolden | so, how to make 2 simultaneously and independently working weapons? |
| 15:34.45 | Zolden | nvm, got it |
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| 16:00.34 | G0A | Lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LRANMhO3s |
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| 16:30.47 | kingTD | worst games of 2014 already |
| 16:30.48 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB8YRafUfCY |
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| 16:38.18 | G0A | kingtd I noticed the Hungarian crest in the game, I have a bad feeling it was made it here. |
| 16:40.55 | Bommes | what do you expect from a developer called "FUN Creators" |
| 16:41.19 | Bommes | I feel insulted by that kind of name |
| 16:42.36 | G0A | yeah |
| 16:42.55 | Bommes | The sad thing is that because it is polarizingly bad and somehow got through Steam Greenlight it will actually sell way more copies than many better games, so giving it any attention is kinda bad in itself. |
| 16:43.17 | G0A | tried to find out where are they located to, but they shared no information of whatever about them |
| 16:43.34 | G0A | yeah |
| 16:43.45 | G0A | Steam should really get their shit togather:D |
| 16:44.12 | G0A | they should have some kind of beta period for games before getting stream light |
| 16:44.18 | G0A | steam* |
| 17:01.14 | kingTD | they could check what bullshit they greenlighting at least for 15 mins |
| 17:05.21 | Ahli | how much does that game cost? 2 cents? |
| 17:05.29 | kingTD | okay lets try to fill the lobby for that broken RPG |
| 17:05.36 | kingTD | 60$ |
| 17:05.42 | kingTD | like every other |
| 17:05.45 | Ahli | guise of the wolf crap? |
| 17:05.48 | kingTD | broken shit of crap |
| 17:05.50 | kingTD | yes |
| 17:06.02 | kingTD | every crap cost like next triple A title! |
| 17:07.13 | Ahli | do people even buy this then? wasn't there something that they could refund this BS? |
| 17:07.30 | Ahli | or is it an idiot trap? |
| 17:08.02 | kingTD | yeah its well layed out trap |
| 17:08.26 | Ahli | like people trying to draw your next to the eiffel tower requesting 20¤ for something that looks like a doodle from a 5 year old. |
| 17:08.34 | Ahli | *you |
| 17:08.55 | kingTD | ^^ |
| 17:12.27 | kingTD | http://i.imgur.com/7ZF2O4t.png |
| 17:15.15 | Ahli | copyright? |
| 17:15.32 | Ahli | or can I put mona lisa into my dungeon? |
| 17:15.47 | Ahli | because it's older than 80 years or something |
| 17:16.08 | Zolden | those drawings is everyone's |
| 17:16.15 | Zolden | world culture |
| 17:16.40 | G0A | So I can go into the museum and bring the painting to home?:) |
| 17:16.48 | Zolden | sure |
| 17:16.51 | Ahli | so, I could make an app that contains a ton of free art stuff and sell it online? |
| 17:17.02 | G0A | yeah:D |
| 17:17.03 | Zolden | sure |
| 17:17.12 | G0A | I bet there are such apps:D |
| 17:17.20 | Ahli | most likely |
| 17:19.54 | kingTD | g0a so broken even 2v2 in rpg shit |
| 17:20.36 | G0A | what rpg shit? |
| 17:20.54 | Bommes | Ahli, it costs 8-9 with 30% on steam |
| 17:20.56 | Bommes | 30% off |
| 17:21.57 | Ahli | so it costs like 12 :o |
| 17:22.54 | Bommes | + |
| 17:24.55 | Zolden | jew builder is ready, balancing it |
| 17:25.12 | kingTD | G0A urs rpg without item and story and quests... 2v2 playing |
| 17:25.18 | kingTD | why veortexs spawns? |
| 17:26.55 | G0A | its not an rpg |
| 17:27.06 | G0A | its a hero arena map |
| 17:27.34 | kingTD | rpg ftw |
| 17:27.42 | G0A | and what was broken? |
| 17:29.15 | kingTD | was? it still broken |
| 17:29.24 | kingTD | vortex spawns in the farming area |
| 17:29.33 | G0A | lol |
| 17:29.49 | G0A | it does survival spawn on team vs team game? |
| 17:30.20 | kingTD | only vortex model in the farming area when Arena starts |
| 17:30.33 | kingTD | and pings there |
| 17:34.21 | kingTD | yay will make ur map a bit popular, this broken piece of shit |
| 17:34.36 | kingTD | yep fools already like the map |
| 17:35.09 | kingTD | they didnt found yet how its broken, unbalanced and other |
| 17:35.23 | G0A | unbalanced is good:D |
| 17:43.05 | Zolden | unbalanced is imba |
| 17:43.39 | G0A | people like imba |
| 17:44.12 | Zolden | people are imba |
| 17:47.14 | kingTD | goa in respawn loc then doesnt regen hp |
| 17:48.15 | G0A | in team vs team? |
| 17:48.20 | kingTD | y |
| 17:48.23 | kingTD | timer gone |
| 17:49.24 | G0A | ehh |
| 17:50.11 | kingTD | after first round of arena |
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| 17:52.43 | kingTD | but arena still works |
| 17:53.38 | kingTD | as always op turrets |
| 17:53.56 | G0A | :) |
| 18:00.08 | kingTD | doesnt display turret mana cost |
| 18:04.07 | Zolden | does it display turret hitler cost? |
| 18:08.20 | G0A | great, I did 8-3 on HS arena and I got 4 bags, 1 bag had 40 gold and another bag had 155 gold. (they have nice spread on that random generation) |
| 18:11.53 | kingTD | well that was cool run 2v2 for 46mins |
| 18:14.27 | G0A | what happened? |
| 18:15.18 | kingTD | a lot of pings, no timers, few first rounds of loses and then my teammate sniper dealt enormous dmg to creeps and enemys |
| 18:15.33 | kingTD | zealot + sniper vs zealot + stalker |
| 18:16.03 | kingTD | we where effective team i would say |
| 18:27.41 | Bommes | G0A, it's spread into different reward categories |
| 18:27.44 | Bommes | from small to big |
| 18:28.25 | Bommes | small packs have 10-20 gold/dust and big packs have 220-250 gold/dust (on 10 wins plus) |
| 18:28.49 | Bommes | when you have 4 packs you have a small one, a big one and 2 medium ones |
| 18:29.07 | Bommes | where medium are 2-3 more sizes |
| 18:29.30 | Bommes | but it's always relatively deterministic what you get, apart from the chance to have a card and whether you get gold or dust |
| 19:07.04 | G0A | afk host kick actually kills less popular maps |
| 19:07.06 | G0A | hmm |
| 19:07.11 | G0A | grats blizz:) |
| 19:10.30 | Ahli | I think Blizzard tries to fix these problems with more players |
| 19:10.42 | Ahli | if there are thousands of players all the time, it wouldn't matter :D |
| 19:12.30 | ArcanePariah | Kind of the lesser of 2 evils atm, people have been asking for afk host kick for a while |
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| 19:17.38 | ArcanePariah | And it does seem Arcade being F2P is doing SOMETHING at least, 2 million people on B.net atm |
| 19:18.22 | Ahli | well, videos by cross-game-video-creators will help :D |
| 19:22.49 | kingTD | tweaking the arcade would hellp |
| 19:23.02 | kingTD | like putting open games in front page and shit |
| 19:23.25 | kingTD | and better overview of opened games fulliness and shit |
| 19:24.07 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, personally, i think Arcade as a concept is fine, implementation needs some work |
| 19:24.19 | Zolden | ArcanePariah 2 million? is it more then usual? how much are in sc2? |
| 19:24.39 | ArcanePariah | Normal day I've seen is varying betwee 3/4 million and 1.25 million |
| 19:24.47 | ArcanePariah | Now it's up to 2 million |
| 19:25.06 | Zolden | it includes wow, right? |
| 19:25.14 | ArcanePariah | I don't think so |
| 19:25.15 | Zolden | like 95% - wow> |
| 19:25.47 | kingTD | well |
| 19:26.21 | kingTD | if u move over the mouse on that number it shows some other stats like lobbies and shit. i guess most the people just afk in sc2? |
| 19:26.43 | ArcanePariah | The thing I keep hearing boils down to: Democratic systems suck, we want forced egilatarism (which ofc still devolve into democratic systems) |
| 19:27.11 | kingTD | well yeah |
| 19:27.16 | kingTD | on whole bnet |
| 19:27.31 | Zolden | ppl just should earn right to vote by learning shit and keeping exams |
| 19:27.37 | ArcanePariah | Like, people want open games list, yet, Wc3 devolved straight into current SC2, bots hosting EVERYTHING |
| 19:27.39 | Zolden | also, pay for voting |
| 19:27.44 | kingTD | since lobbies in action 15k. so about 100k playing 150k afk max |
| 19:27.49 | Zolden | then white trash won't elect trash |
| 19:28.27 | Zolden | and how much using starter edition> |
| 19:28.29 | Zolden | ? |
| 19:28.46 | ArcanePariah | So although I would say, open games list over all others is a good thing, named lobbies is never coming back, and shouldn't |
| 19:28.46 | Zolden | i noticed couple of maps on 1st page that are not used to be there, so this may be the result |
| 19:29.11 | Zolden | i don;t even konw waht's named lobbies |
| 19:29.59 | ArcanePariah | In WC3, you hosted a game yourself, and named it whatever (DOTA APEM !!! ALL COME NOW) |
| 19:30.04 | ArcanePariah | And shit like that |
| 19:30.11 | kingTD | well open lobbies needs more expossior, like adding how much opened lobbies there are and how much people currently are waitting to start map from maximum player slots available |
| 19:30.18 | Zolden | kingTD go make some propaganda on aoe related forums that they can now play aok, let they come and do |
| 19:30.30 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:30.36 | Zolden | how would I name it? |
| 19:30.56 | ArcanePariah | Named lobibes worked for a couple years, but after 2006 or so, bots started hosting to counteract troll hosts, afk hosts, etc. and after 2008 they were the only ones hosting |
| 19:31.07 | Zolden | kingTD yea, ppl in lobbie is a good thing |
| 19:31.24 | ArcanePariah | But yes, having the open lobbies be more informative would be nice |
| 19:31.50 | kingTD | as then u would decide where to join better |
| 19:31.57 | kingTD | where u can go and play now |
| 19:32.23 | kingTD | now u just look and can guess if there are more than 1 human waitting |
| 19:36.16 | G0A | yay, afk host kick made 8/9 lobby to 4/9 lobby |
| 19:38.57 | G0A | I need to make an "active" bot that hosts my games on bnet:) |
| 19:44.50 | ArcanePariah | Yeah.... probably not going to happen |
| 19:45.14 | ArcanePariah | That was kind of the entire point of B.net 2.0, make bots both unneeded and useless |
| 19:49.12 | Zolden | and I need a bot to create, mapmake, publish and polish my maps |
| 19:49.25 | Zolden | also a bot to chat in this chat |
| 19:49.44 | Zolden | also a bot that will think what else bots do i need |
| 19:49.59 | Zolden | also a bot to create all those bots |
| 19:50.36 | Zolden | also a bot to kill other ppls bots |
| 19:51.18 | Zolden | also a boat to have river trips with my bots |
| 19:56.23 | kingTD | lets play some Rome on SC2 |
| 19:56.28 | kingTD | i heard they have zerglings |
| 20:04.53 | kingTD | full of turrets map |
| 20:05.59 | Zolden | caesarlings senatelings republiclings praetorlings consullings legionlings barbarianlings gladiatorlings |
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| 20:20.52 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.13 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.27 | ArcanePariah | Change Host Launch Subject to Caster, not QueryCaster |
| 20:21.42 | ArcanePariah | And Change Host Impact to Target |
| 20:21.57 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.02 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 20:22.11 | ArcanePariah | You need the Scope of Launch to be Caster |
| 20:22.22 | ArcanePariah | and Scope of Impact to be Target |
| 20:22.48 | ArcanePariah | and since it is probably units you are doing this for, the Subject for both Launch and Impact should be _Unit (an Alias) |
| 20:23.51 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.15 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 20:25.52 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.20 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.09 | ArcanePariah | How is the behavior being applied? |
| 20:27.13 | ArcanePariah | Via an effect? |
| 20:27.20 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.42 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.11 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, that's why |
| 20:28.21 | ArcanePariah | Ok, for the search effect, what effect does it run on targets found? |
| 20:28.32 | ArcanePariah | The apply behavior effect? |
| 20:29.14 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.29 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.49 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.56 | ArcanePariah | Ok, then, in the Host Impact, in the effect Field, put the Switch effect there |
| 20:30.50 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.24 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but leave the scope of Launch to caster, and the scope of Impact to target |
| 20:32.30 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.56 | ArcanePariah | Is that the error that is being thrown? |
| 20:33.00 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.28 | ArcanePariah | Ok, change the Actor field to Actor Find |
| 20:33.35 | ArcanePariah | For both launch and impact |
| 20:34.19 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.04 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.17 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.38 | ArcanePariah | Need to make scope back to Caster for Launch, Target for Impact |
| 20:38.44 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.57 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.55 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... is this beam only created for this specific behavior? Or is for any casts by this ability? |
| 20:41.23 | ArcanePariah | If it is, instead of using the Behavior.ON event, use the effect that applies the behavior instead for the event |
| 20:41.39 | ArcanePariah | At least for creation |
| 20:42.39 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.47 | songbird | well that 21 on events then |
| 20:43.04 | songbird | and i also desroy it when the behavior expires |
| 20:43.20 | Ahli | I assume you will be able to find some videos from the youtubers/streamers about the trip... for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnAm14JkQWU :D |
| 20:43.23 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.47 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 20:43.52 | ArcanePariah | Also, why is it 21 on events? |
| 20:44.10 | ArcanePariah | If it does not matter how many stacks get applied, then use the switch effect instead |
| 20:44.14 | ArcanePariah | for the creation |
| 20:44.35 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.49 | ArcanePariah | In which case, just use the switch effect |
| 20:48.23 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.49 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.22 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.58 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.00 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.03 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.13 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.35 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.53 | songbird | ArcanePariah? |
| 21:09.47 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.16 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.41 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:43.43 | ArcanePariah | Hey songbird, sorry, had to go do some stuff |
| 21:44.29 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.03 | ArcanePariah | Ok, lets back up, what does yoru effect/ability do? |
| 21:49.17 | ArcanePariah | Sounded like it searched around the caster, then did a switch, that then applied behaviors, correct? |
| 22:15.08 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.09 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.10 | songbird | ArcanePariah sorry diddnt see the "?" :D |
| 22:21.33 | songbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.28 | Repo | New experimental map: Tacticraft - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/tacticraft/ |
| 23:46.29 | Repo | New experimental map: Narrow Fissure - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/narrow-fissure/ |
| 23:46.40 | Repo | New map: <... Additional Pylons!> - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/additional-pylons/ |
