| 00:00.18 | Nytemare3701 | Hey ArcanePariah, any new insights on the pathing? I've narrowed it down to then not seeing up ramps correctly, since if they end up on a ramp, they climb it just fine and proceed to kill the depots. |
| 00:12.36 | ArcanePariah | I would check and see if the ramp is too narrow |
| 00:12.50 | ArcanePariah | That or turn on the pathing layer in terrain and see if there is anything weird there |
| 00:13.32 | Nytemare3701 | nothing out of the ordinary. I'm going to make a test map and see how many different ways I can reproduce it. |
| 00:13.55 | Nytemare3701 | then I'll post it and see if one of you can isolate it. |
| 00:38.22 | Nytemare3701 | @ArcanePariah or DeadZergling, here's a stripped down version of the map. |
| 00:38.24 | Nytemare3701 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/CKD%20Pathing%20Test.SC2Map |
| 00:38.49 | Nytemare3701 | Stone paths lead to multiple examples of areas that the issue is reproduced |
| 00:39.12 | DeadZergling | not at a machine w/ the editor right now Nytemare, so not a lot I can do |
| 00:39.29 | strijkijzer | rtschutter, are you the famed rtschutter, creator of StarBow? |
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| 00:43.47 | Bounty | Pew |
| 00:43.47 | DeadZergling | Hail mein fuhrer! |
| 00:44.10 | Bounty | Anyone happen to know the formula for calculating unit speed to distance? |
| 00:44.17 | Bounty | and time |
| 00:44.25 | DeadZergling | D = RT |
| 00:44.28 | Bounty | Like, how far does a speed of 1 travel over x time |
| 00:44.41 | Bounty | Is it 1 to 1? |
| 00:44.45 | DeadZergling | Movement being the R, T being game seconds |
| 00:44.58 | DeadZergling | Think so, but don't quote me on that |
| 00:45.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:45.51 | DeadZergling | If a zergling approaches a zealot at R from this location, while a zealot runs away at this speed, at what time will the zergling catch the zealot? |
| 00:45.59 | DeadZergling | your next question, right? |
| 00:46.21 | Bounty | stop using letters |
| 00:46.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:46.41 | Bounty | no |
| 00:46.53 | Bounty | I just need to know how long it takes a unit to travel a distance of 1 at the speed of 1 |
| 00:46.55 | Bounty | I can figure out the rest |
| 00:47.18 | DeadZergling | 0347, 70 1^1053 7377355 |
| 00:47.31 | Bounty | what? |
| 00:47.43 | Bounty | u trollin bro? |
| 00:47.53 | DeadZergling | 70 |
| 00:48.00 | Bounty | 70 what |
| 00:48.22 | DeadZergling | 70 1^1053 7377355 |
| 00:48.39 | Bommes | 1 second |
| 00:48.41 | Bommes | on normal |
| 00:48.45 | Bommes | speed |
| 00:49.02 | Bounty | thats what I figured, you know this for certain though? |
| 00:49.09 | Bommes | at least that's what I've been told by people like Ahli etc |
| 00:49.12 | Bommes | when I asked |
| 00:49.18 | Bommes | and seems logical so I didn't test it myself |
| 00:49.34 | Bommes | but I'm not 100% certain ofc |
| 00:55.41 | Bounty | Also, if anyone here would like to try to solve a problem that has been dubbed almost impossible... let me know :) |
| 00:55.55 | DeadZergling | main thing is, make sure you are looking at game time |
| 00:55.57 | strijkijzer | JademusSreg, rtschutter hates me too |
| 00:55.58 | strijkijzer | everyone does. |
| 00:55.59 | DeadZergling | not actual time |
| 00:57.17 | Bounty | If you have a boss and the player is given 2:00 minutes to kill him, BUT you need to make it so the player cannot possibly defeat him until the last 20 seconds or so, how can this be achieved? |
| 00:57.33 | Bounty | His health has to keep appearing to be going down |
| 00:57.37 | Bounty | when taking damage |
| 00:58.36 | DeadZergling | behavior that regens some health periodically, stops any damage that would decrease health lower than 10 %, and heals him some |
| 00:58.42 | DeadZergling | on that attack |
| 00:58.46 | DeadZergling | that wears off after 100 seconds |
| 00:59.43 | DeadZergling | or could be fatal or whatever, up to you, just 10 % seems most reasonable |
| 01:00.06 | DeadZergling | flash some message about how big boss man desperately regens some last bits of health to keep going |
| 01:02.16 | DeadZergling | could have some dummy effect that triggers suicidal units to donate their life to big boss man to keep him going if you wanted it to be more cinematic |
| 01:04.13 | DeadZergling | the bad leet speak was because you said no more letters, by the way Bounty :P |
| 01:04.32 | Bounty | No regen |
| 01:04.39 | Bounty | not periodically at least |
| 01:05.22 | DeadZergling | Would you like more time to be done adding new conditions to your question? |
| 01:41.51 | Bounty | sorry lol |
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| 02:48.51 | Bounty | Anyone here familiar with texture swaps? |
| 02:49.03 | Bounty | I need to know what I should put for a texture that has no _ in its name |
| 03:01.22 | cedric_ze_French | JademusSreg, if I were an alien, could I lay my eggs in you? |
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| 03:17.40 | Kueken | Bounty: Just type the entire texture name |
| 03:17.48 | Kueken | the _ is irrelevant |
| 03:17.52 | Bounty | I did, this is for the shape models |
| 03:17.57 | Bounty | it never seems to work fully |
| 03:18.11 | Bounty | Like it works but it doesn't |
| 03:18.14 | JademusSreg | Goreporkle. |
| 03:18.22 | Bounty | Have you ever tried to texture swap one of the shape models? |
| 03:18.33 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 03:18.33 | Kueken | yes, worked |
| 03:18.54 | Kueken | they have some rather strange texture settings, so it might look weird |
| 03:19.05 | Bounty | Yeah, it looks nothing like I wanted |
| 03:19.21 | Bounty | It is so faint that it is not worth even having lol |
| 03:19.25 | Kueken | :) |
| 03:19.38 | Bounty | Basically what I need to do is |
| 03:19.44 | Kueken | there are probably ways to manipulate it into something more to your liking |
| 03:19.48 | Bounty | actually nvm |
| 03:19.50 | Bounty | forget that |
| 03:19.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:19.59 | Bounty | Yeah, in art tools perhaps |
| 03:20.19 | Kueken | maybe just with different textures |
| 03:20.20 | Bounty | I think I will mention this to Blizzard because why do we have all those shape models and they look like such trash |
| 03:20.25 | Bounty | and you can't do much to altar that |
| 03:20.37 | Bounty | alter* |
| 03:20.41 | Kueken | I suspect they have a glow texture similar to the preservers |
| 03:20.52 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:20.53 | Kueken | and the preservers can be turned off easily |
| 03:20.55 | Bounty | That is what it looks like |
| 03:21.08 | Bounty | Outside of SC2 though yes? |
| 03:21.12 | Bounty | in 3dsmax |
| 03:21.27 | Kueken | nah, I did it for a map of yours before, right? |
| 03:21.38 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:21.40 | Bounty | photon discs |
| 03:21.45 | Bounty | you did it in 3ds max though right? |
| 03:21.46 | JademusSreg | Probably has to do with the add blend mode. |
| 03:21.47 | Bounty | the texture swap |
| 03:21.58 | Kueken | nope, I can't do shit with 3dsmax :D |
| 03:22.04 | Bounty | oh |
| 03:22.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:22.08 | JademusSreg | And since that's defined in the material, it's as Kueken says. |
| 03:22.20 | Bounty | how do you shut it off? |
| 03:22.25 | Bounty | you think that is what it is? |
| 03:22.32 | JademusSreg | Well, either modify the assets or... |
| 03:22.36 | Kueken | it might be, I could take a look |
| 03:22.37 | Bounty | like nothing changes, you only slightly see the texture |
| 03:22.50 | Bounty | everything else is team colored |
| 03:23.04 | Bounty | try to texture swap a shape model |
| 03:23.22 | Bounty | If you can manage to pull it off successfully, I will love you forever |
| 03:23.25 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:23.41 | JademusSreg | ... or, comically the only alternative, is to modify the shaders to render the material differently. =D |
| 03:25.53 | rtschutter | any experts on TextureSelectbyID in here? |
| 03:26.45 | Kueken | :p |
| 03:27.13 | Kueken | pick a number, I'm with a client |
| 03:28.21 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 03:29.24 | JademusSreg | rts, it's simple enough. JademusDemo uses it on a number of things, most obviously the Ancillary Drone. |
| 03:32.00 | rtschutter | I use it a fuckton |
| 03:32.02 | rtschutter | in gameheart |
| 03:32.16 | rtschutter | but that doesn't mean I don't run into units with retarded prefixes that refuse to swap |
| 03:32.56 | rtschutter | like the stupid locust |
| 03:33.02 | rtschutter | in fact |
| 03:33.05 | rtschutter | almost every hots unit |
| 03:33.17 | rtschutter | its like they took a giant leap backwards in how they organized their textures and models |
| 03:35.46 | Kueken | but since Hots (or some patch) its way easier to use now |
| 03:36.09 | Kueken | they fixed some stupid bugs, and you can use the same texture multiple times for different slots now :) |
| 03:36.25 | rtschutter | I havent managed to get it to work on any hots units yet |
| 03:36.40 | rtschutter | in fact I have a bunch of textures and their stupid names don't even tell me what units they are for |
| 03:36.45 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 03:37.12 | JademusSreg | Oh my. Sounds like an error in one's understanding of how it works. |
| 03:38.38 | ArcanePariah | Error in wetware? Hasn't that been patched out by now? |
| 03:38.43 | rtschutter | also |
| 03:38.47 | rtschutter | my game keeps crashing |
| 03:38.48 | rtschutter | awesome |
| 03:38.53 | ArcanePariah | Aren't we on like version 1000000000000? |
| 03:40.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:43.40 | JademusSreg | Arc, the versioning isn't even reliable, the framework is mostly ignored, each machine is assembled differently, they patch infrequently, inconsistently and many often aren't compatible with the multiple sequential forks in the specification, and worst of all is they invariably modded, littered with plugins, malware, and porn. |
| 03:43.57 | ArcanePariah | Sounds about right |
| 03:45.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I've been rather busy for the past 77 hours, so I'll be back in a bit. |
| 04:00.14 | Kueken | Okay |
| 04:00.24 | Kueken | that might be something you could work with, Bounty |
| 04:00.26 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz0r4k3hux7san2/ShapeOrb.jpg |
| 04:02.50 | Bounty | I see it |
| 04:02.54 | Bounty | how did he do it? lol |
| 04:03.44 | rtschutter | I give up, retarded hots units refuse to texture swap |
| 04:04.31 | Kueken | I just messed around with the settings a bit to see what kind of textures would get some results |
| 04:05.26 | Kueken | that particular image swapped one of the textures to a fully transparent one, another to the actual texture, which needs to be almost fully transparent as well, and set the team color to black |
| 04:06.02 | Kueken | I can send you the map, if you are interested, or you could tell me, how the end result should look like |
| 04:06.41 | Kueken | rtschutter: paste the XML data for your model, texture object and actor to pastebin |
| 04:10.51 | rtschutter | http://pastebin.com/idMvkbrg |
| 04:12.28 | Kueken | now, for all your declarations in the model, copy the prefix and paste it into the Trigger on Substring field :p |
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| 04:13.59 | turtles1 | GOOD MORNING SC2MAPSTER! ARE YOU READY TO MOD??? |
| 04:14.02 | rtschutter | remove the _Diffuse etc? |
| 04:14.09 | rtschutter | or replace rather |
| 04:14.12 | rtschutter | or in addition to? |
| 04:14.14 | Kueken | replace, yes |
| 04:14.33 | Kueken | so prefix and substring are the same |
| 04:14.39 | rtschutter | okay |
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| 04:16.28 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 04:16.34 | rtschutter | it seems to work for the diffuse but not emissive |
| 04:16.35 | Kueken | did that help already? |
| 04:17.24 | Kueken | on the swarm host? |
| 04:17.38 | Kueken | the locust swaps no emissive, so... yeah |
| 04:17.40 | Kueken | :D |
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| 04:19.02 | rtschutter | gah my internet keeps DCing |
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| 04:20.59 | Kueken | try adding the specific slot to your declarations |
| 04:21.13 | Kueken | so instead of just main, you use main.diffuse |
| 04:21.21 | Kueken | just like in the texture objects |
| 04:21.36 | Kueken | and emissive/specular respectively ofc |
| 04:21.50 | rtschutter | I tried that earlier and it started saying the slots werent mapped |
| 04:21.59 | rtschutter | actually |
| 04:22.02 | rtschutter | it only did for diffuse |
| 04:22.08 | rtschutter | maybe it will be fine on emissive and spec |
| 04:23.12 | rtschutter | awesome that worked |
| 04:24.04 | rtschutter | one unit down |
| 04:24.08 | rtschutter | like 10 to go |
| 04:24.22 | rtschutter | hopefully these shenannigans will work for the others |
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| 04:31.22 | Bounty | For anyone on EU who enjoyed Photon Discs |
| 04:31.28 | Bounty | I will be uploading it within the next hour |
| 04:31.33 | Bounty | Someone PM'd me asking me to do it |
| 04:31.50 | Bounty | Sorry about that, I forgot. |
| 04:38.24 | Nytemare3701 | @Anyone who can help: The following map download has an example of 3 different situations in which enemies are not pathing correctly. To duplicate the conditions, follow the grey stone paths and put the "king" unit in any of the bases, far from the provided supply depots. |
| 04:38.25 | Nytemare3701 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/CKD%20Pathing%20Test.SC2Map |
| 04:38.46 | Nytemare3701 | For your convenience, "Debug: Wave" sends zerglings after you to test |
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| 04:39.01 | Nytemare3701 | and "Debug: Vision" shows the map |
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| 05:01.27 | turtles1 | Do I have to enable anything special to get "mouse enter" and "mouse exit" events to work on dialog items? |
| 05:01.54 | turtles1 | I have a "any dialog item is used by any player with event type any" |
| 05:02.31 | turtles1 | which picks up clicks, scrolls, selection changes etcetc. However for mouse enter/exit the trigger event does not even fire up |
| 05:18.30 | turtles1 | OK I found out why |
| 05:18.44 | turtles1 | I think it is a bug in triggers |
| 05:18.57 | turtles1 | or at least seems that way because it is very counter intuitive |
| 05:19.43 | turtles1 | The trigger event type for "any dialog item is used by any player with event type any" accepts mouse enter/exit events and fires correctly |
| 05:19.46 | turtles1 | BUT |
| 05:20.09 | turtles1 | mouse enter/exit events do not match the condition "mouse event = any event" |
| 05:20.48 | turtles1 | so clicks/scrolls/changes/double clicks/etc are all accepted under the condition "mouse event = any" |
| 05:21.11 | turtles1 | but mouse enter/exit is not, even though the trigger fires for event type = any |
| 05:21.47 | turtles1 | Should I post this to the Bnet forums and report it as a bug? or is this some kind of "feature" which I don't know about |
| 05:29.01 | turtles1 | OK, no I'm an idiot. it doesn't match for other event types either. So it is consistent and the "any" event type only works in the event trigger, no where else |
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| 06:55.12 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0zD3pOG-Tk#t=28 wow that got lots of views fast |
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| 07:22.21 | Zolden | G0A your new userpic on forum is awefull, it makes my subconsciousness think that something is wrong |
| 07:22.28 | kingTD | zolden is working with ur new builder only?>? |
| 07:22.38 | G0A | :) |
| 07:22.38 | Zolden | kingTD waht do you mean? |
| 07:23.04 | Zolden | i also do shit that is not working on builder, and it slows |
| 07:23.40 | kingTD | :] |
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| 09:03.26 | kingTD | "Dont worry kripp. Grills are very too RNG and pay2win" |
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| 12:14.32 | kingTD | pfff WAH (alliance horde shit map) 330 mb required to dl to play |
| 12:14.51 | kingTD | and then there are questions form TB where is the community for it.,.. |
| 12:21.30 | Zolden | lol |
| 12:22.19 | Zolden | this makes me feel smart for using sc2 textures for wow models |
| 12:23.30 | Zolden | russian dudes who also remaking wc3 are also smart, their mod files are only about 150 mb |
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| 12:30.03 | Bommes | JademusSreg, you there right now? I still have some questions about loading bar customization since Preloading the assets doesn't seem to work so I have to use the Loading Bar field in the Game UI Data |
| 12:31.02 | Bommes | ArcanePariah said you can put the reference specified there into the Assets.txt, but my problem is that there is only one reference that I can see ("Loadingbar/Terr" for example), but a loading bar consists of multiple image files |
| 12:31.28 | Bommes | so I really have no clue how to set that up properly |
| 12:38.38 | kingTD | problem is that they use a lot of sound assets (even useless music...) and high resolution textures |
| 12:50.05 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUHQxh-5Vow |
| 12:52.44 | kingTD | wtf |
| 12:52.51 | kingTD | so much hunters in HS |
| 12:53.20 | Zolden | are there penis decks in hs? |
| 12:57.49 | kingTD | they all have penis in hs |
| 12:57.57 | kingTD | no holes detected |
| 13:05.50 | G0A | fucking divine favor |
| 13:16.43 | G0A | still won the arena match though |
| 13:16.54 | G0A | guy run out of the cards at the end:D |
| 13:17.14 | kingTD | hmm so diablo and sc universe cards editions will come someday to HS? |
| 13:17.45 | G0A | only matter of years:D |
| 13:18.38 | kingTD | much more different class decks.. |
| 13:19.11 | G0A | got to love the idiots on hs at weekends |
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| 15:42.00 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 15:49.17 | kingTD | frogy friendo |
| 15:53.50 | Zolden | kingTD make me a model of model |
| 15:54.21 | kingTD | male or female? |
| 15:54.37 | kingTD | ono? |
| 16:01.36 | Zolden | I mean the model that doesn't have sex because of abstract mater, make me a visual model of abstract object or I'll send you to organize a fat fight day9 vs tb |
| 16:03.41 | Delphinium | made a new effect model, nanakey needs many of this kinds of models. |
| 16:03.53 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/862/333.gif |
| 16:03.53 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/861/212.gif |
| 16:04.24 | Zolden | looks great |
| 16:04.31 | Zolden | is it ribbon, the tail? |
| 16:05.02 | Zolden | and do you use force to spin or just a rotating bone? |
| 16:05.26 | Delphinium | it's just a bone |
| 16:06.03 | Delphinium | actually it's an array of attachments. |
| 16:06.33 | Delphinium | and yes, there are 10 ribbons in the tail. |
| 16:07.20 | Zolden | what is arry of attachments? I mean that blue thing moving along a circle |
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| 16:09.33 | Delphinium | it's some attachments rotate over there, and the light ball is attached to one of the attachments. |
| 16:09.48 | Delphinium | Nanakey prefer this way more~ |
| 16:10.32 | Zolden | i see |
| 16:11.03 | Zolden | Delphinium can we turn some global loop anims on and off independently? |
| 16:12.32 | Delphinium | Yes, it's possible, I made numbers of GLanimations for nanakey to switch. |
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| 16:15.34 | Delphinium | In fact, there are some special way to avoid some parts of the model in some of the animations be influened by the GLanimations. you can change the priority here. |
| 16:15.35 | Delphinium | http://puu.sh/6xCEi.png |
| 16:15.59 | Delphinium | Blizzard just gives us many solutions on this. |
| 16:16.16 | Zolden | and how to use it in game? |
| 16:16.33 | Zolden | what can I do to model instead of requesting animations? |
| 16:18.11 | Delphinium | use the message "AnimGroupApply", bad news is that it's too complex to explain, Plz ask Renee for details. |
| 16:20.01 | Delphinium | And her forum got a 502 error, tonight she won't have enough time, I am trying to find that thread but forum dies. |
| 16:24.18 | Zolden | Delphinium well, you said enough to explain all I asked aboutm, thanks :) |
| 16:32.56 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 16:33.20 | Delphinium | All I said means "Renee knows everything" |
| 16:35.58 | Zolden | you meantioned the actor message, and I remembered, that actors have a set of messages to affect anims |
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| 17:30.31 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 17:31.34 | ArcanePariah | The world going crazy it seems |
| 17:33.59 | G0A | Or you are just realizing that the world is crazy. |
| 17:34.30 | ArcanePariah | True, world always been crazy, I'm just more exposed and aware of the craziness |
| 17:34.40 | ArcanePariah | How's it going G0A? |
| 17:34.59 | G0A | I ate too much |
| 17:35.57 | ArcanePariah | Ouch, that will ruin one's evening |
| 17:36.08 | ArcanePariah | What was dinner? |
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| 17:38.07 | ArcanePariah | How goes mapping? |
| 17:40.52 | G0A | Playing HS |
| 17:41.16 | G0A | HS arena at weekend afternoons is pretty cool, cause you play against noobs. |
| 17:41.40 | ArcanePariah | Ahhha, noobtrain, free wins galore ehh? Lots of gold? |
| 17:42.03 | G0A | kinda |
| 17:42.29 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard release any new cards? Or is it still FotM stuff? |
| 17:43.00 | G0A | they didnt and they wont do any major changes in the near future |
| 17:43.18 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm, they more focused on bug fixing stuff? |
| 17:43.21 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUMpdFWzGdk |
| 17:43.28 | ArcanePariah | Since it's open beta, iirc? |
| 17:43.43 | G0A | I think they are focusing on "publishing" the game.... |
| 17:44.32 | G0A | and they probably work hard on mobile version |
| 17:44.41 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, how long has it been in beta? Seems like forever... |
| 17:44.57 | G0A | dont know |
| 17:44.59 | G0A | half year? |
| 17:45.18 | ArcanePariah | Pretty lengthy 'beta' |
| 17:45.33 | ArcanePariah | Now it is open beta, maybe a release sometime... in 2015? |
| 17:45.36 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 17:46.35 | G0A | I think they will release it in the next month |
| 18:01.28 | G0A | I love mind stealing Ragnaros the firelord, best part of HS |
| 18:01.40 | ArcanePariah | Hehehe, Nice |
| 18:02.48 | G0A | just beaten mage with it |
| 18:03.22 | G0A | I was down to 9 hp when he played it, mind steal and taunt it with Argus at next turn:D |
| 18:03.40 | ArcanePariah | Tee Hee, winning :D |
| 18:04.22 | G0A | I almost had 3 Ragnaros in 1 game:) |
| 18:04.44 | ArcanePariah | LOL |
| 18:04.51 | ArcanePariah | You evil person XD |
| 18:05.13 | G0A | guy played it, I mind stealed it, he played face shifter on it, I mind stealed it too and than he quited (though I would have face shifted it the next turn:D) |
| 18:05.28 | ArcanePariah | Bwaahaha |
| 18:05.35 | ArcanePariah | Pwnt |
| 18:09.41 | Nytemare3701 | Morning Mapsters! |
| 18:09.54 | ArcanePariah | Good morning |
| 18:10.06 | Nytemare3701 | How goes it? |
| 18:11.53 | ArcanePariah | Pretty good, working on my map, currently doing special weapons |
| 18:12.28 | Nytemare3701 | Any chance you can take a look at that map I posted? I don't mean to be a bother, but it's keeping me from doing anything other than busywork on my map atm :-( |
| 18:12.32 | Nytemare3701 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/CKD%20Pathing%20Test.SC2Map |
| 18:15.40 | ArcanePariah | Ok, though I'm going to add a few sugguestions as well :D |
| 18:15.44 | Nytemare3701 | sure. |
| 18:15.59 | ArcanePariah | First off, for bank preloading, you do not need to do it in triggers |
| 18:16.04 | ArcanePariah | If you go Map -> Preload |
| 18:16.08 | ArcanePariah | You can set it there |
| 18:16.31 | ArcanePariah | Along with any other game links or assets you want to preload |
| 18:16.40 | Nytemare3701 | o.o |
| 18:16.47 | ArcanePariah | Just add an entry for banks, name the bank, and put (All Players) |
| 18:17.15 | ArcanePariah | I know it is a little thing, but you want as much stuff NOT in triggers as posssible |
| 18:17.25 | ArcanePariah | Basically the KISS princinple |
| 18:17.42 | Nytemare3701 | I first started work on this when SC2 launched, so I have some poor practices in place -_- |
| 18:17.49 | ArcanePariah | That's fine |
| 18:17.52 | ArcanePariah | We all learn |
| 18:17.58 | ArcanePariah | I've rewritten some parts of my code 3x |
| 18:18.16 | ArcanePariah | I just prefer as few triggers as possible, because most errors occur in triggers |
| 18:18.22 | ArcanePariah | It is harder to break stuff elsewhere |
| 18:18.26 | Nytemare3701 | In that case, do I just remove the one line for preloading? |
| 18:18.29 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 18:18.32 | Nytemare3701 | ok |
| 18:18.58 | ArcanePariah | Next up, for your kill tracker |
| 18:19.08 | ArcanePariah | Place the if else condition in Conditions |
| 18:19.09 | Nytemare3701 | Arcane, I'll send you the full version of the map if you are going to go in-depth :-D |
| 18:19.17 | ArcanePariah | Well I'm just skimming |
| 18:19.20 | ArcanePariah | For now |
| 18:20.09 | ArcanePariah | Also, try to avoid placing literal strings for bank saves, use constant variables |
| 18:20.24 | Nytemare3701 | *whoosh* |
| 18:20.35 | ArcanePariah | In your kill tracker |
| 18:20.41 | ArcanePariah | in the Store Bank action |
| 18:20.53 | ArcanePariah | You wrote out "Kills" and "Player" for key and section |
| 18:21.00 | ArcanePariah | Instead of doing that, make a global variable |
| 18:21.04 | ArcanePariah | Call it, Kill Key |
| 18:21.15 | ArcanePariah | Make it type string |
| 18:21.24 | ArcanePariah | and check the checkbox "Constant" |
| 18:21.40 | ArcanePariah | Then use that in the place of where "Kills" is |
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| 18:22.37 | ArcanePariah | The idea being, if you need to change the key later (unlikely) you can just change the value of the constant, instead of hunting down every place you typed in "Kills" |
| 18:23.08 | Nytemare3701 | so, now I have 2 variables there? |
| 18:23.17 | Nytemare3701 | one as a kills integer, and another as a string? |
| 18:23.25 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 18:23.32 | Nytemare3701 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.41 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 18:23.56 | ArcanePariah | You should do the same for the Section name |
| 18:23.58 | Nytemare3701 | Great. that'll save me trouble later. |
| 18:24.08 | ArcanePariah | Since I imagine you use it in other places as well |
| 18:24.24 | ArcanePariah | And precisely, it saves you trouble later |
| 18:25.15 | ArcanePariah | Ok, next is a slight pattern thing, just for you to consider how to approach problems in the future. |
| 18:25.25 | ArcanePariah | Let me post the code you currently have in your Death Trigger |
| 18:25.37 | Nytemare3701 | sure |
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| 18:28.00 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, damm, can't rmbr the site name where you can paste GUI code |
| 18:28.09 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, I'll just normal paste the text |
| 18:28.38 | Nytemare3701 | pastebin |
| 18:28.45 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/sg55d |
| 18:29.41 | ArcanePariah | So... it may not be obvious, but you can put that in a loop. You are repeating the same thing, each time lowering the delay by 0.1 seconds. And when it is 0.3 or below, you also do a protoss explosion |
| 18:29.53 | ArcanePariah | So the following would be the same |
| 18:32.28 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/hcbfd |
| 18:33.24 | ArcanePariah | 0.2 or below actually for the toss explosion, but that should give you the idea |
| 18:36.04 | ArcanePariah | So just an idea of how you can approach something and make it simpler in code |
| 18:36.41 | Nytemare3701 | Having trouble giving a decimal value on that one. |
| 18:36.45 | Nytemare3701 | for <=2 |
| 18:36.53 | Nytemare3701 | <=0.2* |
| 18:37.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, Index is a real variable, not an interger |
| 18:37.08 | Nytemare3701 | thanks -_- |
| 18:37.10 | ArcanePariah | And I used the For Each Real |
| 18:37.11 | Nytemare3701 | I'm an idiot |
| 18:38.34 | ArcanePariah | As for your pathing |
| 18:38.59 | ArcanePariah | Each of the small ramps, for whatever reason, have no pathing set on them, thus the pathing engine is not using them at all for evaluation |
| 18:39.14 | ArcanePariah | What you will want to do is go in to the terrain module, and add ground pathing |
| 18:39.16 | Nytemare3701 | Do I need to manually draw pathing on ramps? |
| 18:39.18 | Nytemare3701 | ah |
| 18:39.20 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 18:39.22 | Nytemare3701 | beat me to it. |
| 18:39.22 | ArcanePariah | In this |
| 18:39.23 | ArcanePariah | case |
| 18:39.35 | ArcanePariah | And that should solve your issue |
| 18:39.54 | Nytemare3701 | What about the vision blocked one? |
| 18:40.19 | ArcanePariah | Doesn't matter, pathing by itself has no impact on vision |
| 18:40.22 | Nytemare3701 | (no ramps, just pathing blockers and LoS blockers) |
| 18:40.45 | ArcanePariah | LoS is determine by other flags on the cell, namely the footprint |
| 18:41.05 | ArcanePariah | Only footprints can apply restrictions on cells in terms of vision and placement |
| 18:41.12 | ArcanePariah | Like buildings/creep/etc. |
| 18:41.22 | ArcanePariah | Well |
| 18:41.34 | ArcanePariah | I'm sort of correct, you can paint a cell to have no build and no burrow |
| 18:41.51 | ArcanePariah | But for your issue, just paint ground pathing |
| 18:43.43 | Nytemare3701 | Good stuff. btw, do you know of a way to optimize the generation of a few thousand trees on the map during startup? I currently have the process staggered over the first 30 seconds of the game, and it all happens somewhere the players aren't able to see. |
| 18:44.42 | Nytemare3701 | (trying the painted pathing now) |
| 18:46.15 | ArcanePariah | These trees are doodads, correct? |
| 18:46.30 | Nytemare3701 | Nope. Destructibles |
| 18:46.37 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so they are units? |
| 18:46.41 | Nytemare3701 | yeah |
| 18:46.47 | Nytemare3701 | players can kill them for minerals |
| 18:47.07 | ArcanePariah | And you want them spawned randomly over certain regions? |
| 18:47.22 | Nytemare3701 | yeah. I have a trigger already made for it. |
| 18:47.25 | Nytemare3701 | I'll pastebin it. |
| 18:48.26 | Nytemare3701 | http://pastebin.com/MZa1EArJ |
| 18:49.31 | ArcanePariah | I would say, depending on performance, either define a region in the terrain module, and then run a loop to create trees at random over the region, or (depending on performance tradeoff) define a region, preplace the number of trees you want, and move them randomly all over, using a loop (also place all trees into an object group to make it easier to loop over them) |
| 18:49.44 | Nytemare3701 | I did the first one. |
| 18:50.08 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, the Lost Forest region? |
| 18:50.19 | Nytemare3701 | Arcane, enemies are still idiotpathing |
| 18:50.37 | ArcanePariah | Hmm |
| 18:50.41 | ArcanePariah | That is indeed odd |
| 18:50.55 | ArcanePariah | Are they only failing to path up those narrow ramps? |
| 18:51.07 | kingTD | lol... game is defeated |
| 18:52.25 | ArcanePariah | Nytemare3701, it has something to do with the mesh, there is red intersectiosn over the ramp, as though the footprint of the ramp is at fault in some way |
| 18:53.30 | Nytemare3701 | http://imgur.com/Gr4MiE3 |
| 18:53.49 | Nytemare3701 | do you mean in wireframe view? I'm not seeing anything there. |
| 18:54.21 | ArcanePariah | For my pathing options, I have Mesh enabled |
| 18:54.39 | ArcanePariah | So View -> Pathing -> Show Mesh |
| 18:54.57 | ArcanePariah | Ok, nvm, not ythat option |
| 18:54.59 | ArcanePariah | Hmm |
| 18:55.06 | Nytemare3701 | No problems on my end. |
| 18:55.51 | ArcanePariah | Oh, I have Show Grid on |
| 18:56.00 | ArcanePariah | Placement Grid* |
| 18:56.25 | kingTD | if u directly targeting king unit then yeah, they will go dumb about it |
| 18:56.33 | kingTD | better get nearest unit to attack |
| 18:56.36 | Nytemare3701 | It's not set to target directly. |
| 18:56.50 | Nytemare3701 | it's set to target location of unit offset by x,y |
| 18:56.50 | kingTD | and still it will be dumb about it |
| 18:57.05 | kingTD | give vision of whole map for that player or soemthing |
| 18:57.09 | Nytemare3701 | already do |
| 18:57.42 | kingTD | thats why u have flat map |
| 18:57.49 | kingTD | to make AI be less dumb about it |
| 18:58.07 | Nytemare3701 | You mean removing ramps and using fake ramps? |
| 18:58.18 | Nytemare3701 | (and cliffs, etc) |
| 18:58.20 | kingTD | using no ramps |
| 18:58.39 | Nytemare3701 | Yeah, using terrain deformation instead. I did that in some areas. |
| 19:01.09 | Nytemare3701 | I'd really rather not redo an entire max size map like that though. |
| 19:01.21 | Nytemare3701 | And every map I ever make that uses similar mechanics. |
| 19:04.16 | ArcanePariah | Welp, I have only 2 sugguestions. |
| 19:04.24 | ArcanePariah | 1) Have the order be reissued periodically |
| 19:04.33 | ArcanePariah | 2) Use the actualy game AI, with attack waves |
| 19:04.38 | ArcanePariah | acutal* |
| 19:04.45 | ArcanePariah | It is pretty easy to set up |
| 19:05.47 | Nytemare3701 | order is re-issued every 10 seconds replacing the previous order (when new units are added to the enemy spawns) |
| 19:06.14 | ArcanePariah | Welp, given that this a wave based then, I would sugguest using the game AI |
| 19:06.44 | Nytemare3701 | the game AI uses the same pathing though, doesn't it? |
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| 19:07.11 | ArcanePariah | Maybe, but it is a bit more persistent, it won't just stop |
| 19:07.29 | Nytemare3701 | this one doesn't stop either. |
| 19:07.34 | Nytemare3701 | they bump against the cliff |
| 19:07.41 | Nytemare3701 | and wander up and down it a few feet |
| 19:07.50 | Nytemare3701 | they are acting like the cliff is fully pathable. |
| 19:08.06 | Nytemare3701 | maybe I should use red no-pathing on the cliff edges? |
| 19:08.15 | kingTD | will not help |
| 19:08.28 | kingTD | u block the path with the supplies |
| 19:08.36 | kingTD | so they dont know how to reach target |
| 19:08.40 | kingTD | and bump to that shit |
| 19:08.49 | ArcanePariah | Good point, and now that I think of it. The issue should be that they can not see the supply depots, and thus consider the target point unpathable |
| 19:09.07 | Nytemare3701 | right, but when given full map sight they still don't go for the depots. |
| 19:09.48 | Nytemare3701 | although I haven't tried giving them sight after the new ramp pathing you told me to use |
| 19:09.50 | ArcanePariah | Ermm... your trigger reveals the entire map for player 1 |
| 19:09.54 | kingTD | problem is that they dont go as it is pathable (those supplies) and they pathing units dont see difference between supply footprint and cliff footrpints |
| 19:09.54 | ArcanePariah | not the AI palyer |
| 19:10.02 | Nytemare3701 | That's a debug trigger for the player |
| 19:10.07 | Nytemare3701 | I had another for the AI |
| 19:11.02 | kingTD | wont help if the AI would get the vision |
| 19:11.38 | kingTD | Full AI working wave sending required |
| 19:11.47 | kingTD | and still that may fail |
| 19:12.43 | ArcanePariah | Using AI Waves will probably work since you can specify them to target a unit, unit group, player, region, or point |
| 19:13.27 | Nytemare3701 | You can specify the same for orders though. |
| 19:13.49 | Nytemare3701 | And orders give much finer control for my purposes. Why is a damn ramp so much trouble!? |
| 19:13.55 | kingTD | but AI will guide the units |
| 19:13.57 | ArcanePariah | Well, in any case, for w/e reason, revealing the map to the AI worked, they headed straight up and killed the supply depots |
| 19:14.10 | Nytemare3701 | Arcane, I'm trying that right now. |
| 19:15.03 | ArcanePariah | Err wait, you are attacking a point... hmm it will pick the point and attack at it, and once it reaches that point, it will stop so... I would say, attack the leader point, and keep reissuing that order evey like 1.0 second |
| 19:15.13 | Nytemare3701 | I should have modified my triggers to speed this process up. |
| 19:15.21 | Nytemare3701 | works! |
| 19:15.45 | Nytemare3701 | FINALLY I CAN CONTINUE. |
| 19:15.57 | ArcanePariah | I think the issue is the offsets, it can place the attack point below the cliff |
| 19:16.02 | ArcanePariah | so they attack below the cliffand stop |
| 19:16.09 | Nytemare3701 | it didn't use the offsets before this |
| 19:16.25 | Nytemare3701 | the offsets were a potential fix to the targeting issue |
| 19:16.54 | Nytemare3701 | Can you show me how to attack the ground under a unit instead of a unit? |
| 19:17.03 | Nytemare3701 | rather, how to target the ground under a unit? |
| 19:17.09 | ArcanePariah | Well, position of unit |
| 19:17.24 | ArcanePariah | That will target the current positon of the unit |
| 19:23.35 | Nytemare3701 | aaaand they returned to being idiots. |
| 19:24.01 | ArcanePariah | Then I would grant them vision initially of all fortifications |
| 19:24.40 | Nytemare3701 | Hold up, that was during a test where the offsets were still in place, and my king got caught in a corner |
| 19:24.49 | Nytemare3701 | let me see if that happens with the offset removed. |
| 19:26.10 | Nytemare3701 | (interesting note: if the king gets stuck in a corner, and the offset goes off the cliff, they all try to attack the bottom of the cliff. The correction causes the EXACT SAME idiot pathing from before when the king moves.) |
| 19:28.18 | Nytemare3701 | Completely off-topic: is there a way to make the grey fog of war invisible (hiding units outside LoS, but still revealing the area as if it was current view) |
| 19:29.34 | Nytemare3701 | ok, so they definitely aren't pathing correctly. the attempt from a moment ago was a fluke. |
| 19:30.13 | Nytemare3701 | Wait, I'm an idiot |
| 19:30.23 | Nytemare3701 | when I redid the targeting, I set it up wrong |
| 19:33.46 | Nytemare3701 | Off Topic: would it make me a terrible person to add tiny changeling-model units that can squish between buildings? |
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| 19:51.22 | Nytemare3701 | Ok, confirmed after retest: Still idiot-pathing when the king is near a cliff edge |
| 19:54.33 | Nytemare3701 | game can still be tested, but will be easily abusable during live play if not fixed. |
| 19:54.37 | Nytemare3701 | it'll do for now -_- |
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| 20:44.05 | eimtr | hi, does any1 know where are the team color texture located? |
| 20:44.27 | ArcanePariah | In Game UI data |
| 20:44.54 | Bommes | team color texture? |
| 20:44.59 | Bommes | you mean the team color colors? |
| 20:45.16 | ArcanePariah | I take that back, Gameplay Data I think |
| 20:45.37 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, Advanced -> Gameplay Data -> Team Colors |
| 20:45.41 | Bommes | yes, gameplay data is correct |
| 20:45.56 | Bommes | also, arcane http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/38732-custom-loading-bar/#p3 |
| 20:46.23 | Bommes | any idea if the delay until the custom loading bar shows up can be fixed? |
| 20:46.49 | ArcanePariah | I don't think so, it happens in melee maps as well iirc |
| 20:46.51 | Fishlord_Murloc | JademusSreg, let's make a mod together |
| 20:46.55 | Fishlord_Murloc | We'll call it 'adorable' |
| 20:46.55 | ArcanePariah | But I can investigate |
| 20:47.15 | Bommes | okay :) no big deal, if you find something out I would be interested |
| 20:47.43 | Bommes | just for the sake of knowing it, I guess I'll leave it at the default loading bar for now |
| 20:48.01 | eimtr | Advanced is menu of what? |
| 20:48.30 | Bommes | eimtr: In the Data Editor when you open a new tab at the green plus |
| 20:48.41 | Bommes | there is a submenu called "Advanced" |
| 20:48.48 | Bommes | that's what arcane is talking about |
| 20:50.05 | G0A | NA mapnight! |
| 20:50.44 | ArcanePariah | 0.o, coming! |
| 20:51.05 | eimtr | alright, thx |
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| 21:53.48 | Ahli | back |
| 21:54.14 | Bommes | hi :) |
| 21:54.18 | Bommes | How was the trip? |
| 21:54.46 | Ahli | pretty cool... Blizzard's employees are awesome people |
| 21:55.01 | Bommes | even the european ones? :P |
| 21:55.43 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.02 | Bommes | oh, nice |
| 21:56.07 | Bommes | from the blizzard ppl or from the ones invited? |
| 21:56.25 | Ahli | Blizzard's people |
| 21:56.51 | Ahli | the other participants were all streamers/youtubers |
| 21:57.04 | Ahli | and two guys from a podcast, :D |
| 21:57.35 | Bommes | and there were like 20 guys invited you said? |
| 21:57.58 | Bommes | were you able to actually talk about the editor and stuff or not at all? :D |
| 21:58.16 | G0A | were you gang raped?:) |
| 21:59.55 | G0A | does anyone work on the editor or related stuff in the EU HQ? |
| 22:03.33 | Ahli | no talk about editor stuff... arcade talk took long enough. |
| 22:03.40 | Ahli | EU has no developers |
| 22:03.58 | Bommes | any interesting information at all? |
| 22:04.01 | Ahli | EU consists out of the EU localization and support |
| 22:04.59 | Ahli | actually no, lol... I've an NDA, but yeah... actually I don't know any secrets... |
| 22:05.32 | G0A | so what talk about arcade? |
| 22:05.56 | Bommes | ^^ |
| 22:06.04 | Bommes | any heroes playtesting or talk? |
| 22:09.15 | Ahli | I've made a few suggestions, they asked about it or noted it down... we were able to play hearthstone beta and RoS beta... then we played sc2 3vs3 instead and I played a bit of table tennis... so, actually, zero new information... talesOfLupin will post a transscript of the q&a with Browder and Hsu+Womack in a few days, I believe. |
| 22:09.52 | Ahli | I assume he will do that before he marries next week :) |
| 22:10.14 | Bommes | cool |
| 22:12.34 | Zolden | what was it about? promoting arcade? |
| 22:16.33 | Ahli | well, more like EU Blizzard getting to know streamers/youtubers and how the relationship could be improved. Also getting to know people a bit better. I can't tell you details because of NDA. |
| 22:17.40 | Zolden | what's nda? |
| 22:18.19 | Zolden | they just spread the virus of "i can't tell you details" around the world |
| 22:18.26 | Ahli | http://www.dict.cc/?s=nda new drug application... regarding arcade, it wasn't really more than the q&a... |
| 22:19.09 | Bommes | they NDAed the getting to know each other part? :D |
| 22:19.09 | Ahli | well, only the developers know details and basically, they just requested feedback. |
| 22:19.15 | Bommes | Man, Blizzard is crazy with their NDAs! |
| 22:20.10 | Zolden | Ahli got ndacted |
| 22:21.25 | Ahli | so, I've heared that they launched an arcade website... |
| 22:23.16 | Ahli | oh, also, I know why they can't use gameheart in WCS, but the reason, well,... ridiciulous given a small management change. But I don't know if that fell under NDA, because we talked about that while drinking at a bar. |
| 22:23.34 | Bommes | http://eu.battle.net/arcade/de/ |
| 22:23.57 | Bommes | they _can't_ use gameheart? |
| 22:24.01 | Ahli | so, nothing exciting... wait for transscript appearing... the heroes q&a stream might have been way more informative... |
| 22:24.02 | Bommes | that sounds pretty stupid |
| 22:26.06 | Bommes | Ahli, any new information on this matter? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/38732-custom-loading-bar/ |
| 22:26.36 | Ahli | didn't talk about editor... |
| 22:27.06 | Bommes | no, I meant you :) not from the meetup thing |
| 22:27.21 | Bommes | since the last post in that thread was soon after 1.5 |
| 22:27.24 | Bommes | 1 1/2 years ago |
| 22:27.29 | Bommes | so I thought maybe you know something new |
| 22:28.04 | Ahli | yeah, I've a custom one in my diablo map |
| 22:28.16 | Bommes | does it still require load time before it shows up? |
| 22:28.22 | Ahli | yes |
| 22:28.24 | Bommes | or could you find a method which shows up right away? |
| 22:28.26 | Bommes | hmm, okay |
| 22:28.28 | Bommes | thx |
| 22:28.32 | Ahli | not that I know of |
| 22:35.04 | kingTD | pew pew pew |
| 22:35.12 | kingTD | ahli u never in map nights |
| 22:35.43 | Ahli | I was at Blizzard and I tried to join a game, but then I've played with a russian caster a 3vs3 and a 2vs2... lost first, won second :) |
| 22:35.54 | Ahli | *russian youtuber |
| 22:42.47 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ON0Qbbxm1tI TB going over the arcade in the first few minutes... |
| 22:43.23 | Ahli | he shows and talks shortly about homm, zolden :) |
| 22:51.58 | Zolden | yea :) |
| 23:00.56 | G0A | got to love how much they promoted extension mode and nobody uses it:D |
| 23:01.34 | G0A | though they just want to separate arcade more from melee |
| 23:01.53 | Ahli | did people already release some extension mods? |
| 23:02.12 | Ahli | what's there for example? I have missed a ton of stuff it seems while I was gone |
| 23:08.21 | Bommes | BGH extension! |
| 23:12.50 | Kueken | there are a couple |
| 23:13.21 | Kueken | I recently played one similar to Imba League zombies |
| 23:13.31 | Kueken | (if that rings a bell) |
| 23:14.35 | Bommes | I'd imagine most of the imba league concepts exist as extensions by now? |
| 23:20.20 | Ahli | most likely as copy pasting stuff from maps into mods isn't that difficult :D |
| 23:27.16 | G0A | yeah |
| 23:27.39 | G0A | I made an extension mode with 18 "mini extension" under 3-4 hours |
| 23:30.56 | Nytemare3701 | What's this extension mode thing you are talking about? |
| 23:31.57 | G0A | called CHAOS.... |
| 23:32.02 | Ahli | applying a mod onto a custom melee map in the custom game section |
| 23:32.51 | G0A | its in the normal game section, not in arcade... |
| 23:33.52 | Nytemare3701 | nvm, I just read up on it. |
