| 00:00.33 | Ahli | that's a bit like suggesting overall mutlicore support :S I don't think they would be able to make it unless they create a new engine for a totally new game (wc4 maybe) |
| 00:02.07 | Alevice | well, it used to be responsive... |
| 00:02.29 | Alevice | so its the incremental features that have slowed it |
| 00:02.33 | Alevice | which is understandable |
| 00:02.43 | Alevice | i just hope they get to optimize said shit |
| 00:02.59 | Alevice | i dont hope to keep the same fps i had back then |
| 00:03.08 | Alevice | but frankly it neraly halved for me at least |
| 00:03.28 | Alevice | so i would hope to regain at least like 15fps |
| 00:03.37 | Alevice | its a pipedream at this point |
| 00:03.41 | Ahli | tenarsis dropped info here that their engineers changed stuff in their engine some months back, but sometime after 2.0.4, I believe |
| 00:03.45 | Alevice | but one kcan keep dreeaming |
| 00:04.22 | Alevice | i would have to triy it |
| 00:04.29 | Alevice | frankly i forgot if i ever patch it |
| 00:04.33 | Alevice | since i just run the editor |
| 00:04.33 | Ahli | but I guess that is stuff for heroes and not sc2 directly (unless they patch sc2 to be at heroe's engine level) |
| 00:04.38 | Alevice | and rarely it ask for updating |
| 00:04.53 | Ahli | 2.1 arrived... better bnet performance |
| 00:05.10 | Ahli | I can't freeze UI output via moving my mouse anymore |
| 00:05.24 | Alevice | yeah, downloaded it last night, but couldnt get to try the game and see if it performs better locally |
| 00:05.30 | Alevice | hahaha |
| 00:05.43 | Ahli | actually it doesn't feel that painfull being on bnet anymore in case I log in someday :D |
| 00:05.59 | Ahli | before I was in laghell :X |
| 00:06.09 | Ahli | well, took them a year to fix it |
| 00:06.11 | Alevice | hah |
| 00:06.26 | Ahli | the fps counter didn't update, that was best :D |
| 00:07.08 | Alevice | hmmm? |
| 00:07.09 | Ahli | or directly after 2.0.4 pressing alt dropped the FPS significally |
| 00:07.33 | Ahli | the whole UI engine died to my mouse movement... maybe because of win 8 and 1khz polling rate of my mouse |
| 00:07.43 | Ahli | and buttons on the bnet UI |
| 00:08.12 | Alevice | thats distressing |
| 00:08.35 | Ahli | with every mouse movement the engine seems to overly lag because of checks of hovering about anykind of existing element on the UI regardless of its visibility or it's frame's visibility |
| 00:08.43 | Ahli | so, minimized groups = fail |
| 00:09.06 | Alevice | thats even more distressing |
| 00:09.20 | Ahli | that's why I thought that you could create a better bnet UI inside a map |
| 00:10.52 | Alevice | hahaa talk about irony |
| 00:10.55 | Alevice | but ueah |
| 00:12.19 | Ahli | but it seems like I was the only person with these problems or the only person that actually has the FPS counter running all the time and notices these lags on the screen |
| 00:14.49 | Alevice | yeah, frankly, so far the bnet ui doesnt give me troubel |
| 00:15.06 | Alevice | i would smell either dirvers or a bug with a given card model |
| 00:15.51 | Ahli | I've had different cards now :D |
| 00:16.16 | Alevice | and both gave the same problem? |
| 00:16.16 | Ahli | oh wait... no, my nvidia died before hots |
| 00:26.32 | Alevice | ah |
| 00:30.45 | Nytemare3701 | Hey, is there a way to make overpass-style bridges? |
| 00:30.56 | Nytemare3701 | I'm guessing no, since pathing doesn't work that way. |
| 00:32.13 | Nytemare3701 | (specifically, that from my understanding pathing isn't a trait of the terrain, it's a binary value on a grid placed over the map) |
| 00:32.43 | JademusSreg | It's possible to make complex retractable bridges. |
| 00:33.09 | Ahli | you can't really have units walking freely below a bridge and on a bridge, correct |
| 00:33.23 | Ahli | you could simulate that for a cinematic with easy, but not as a gameplay element |
| 00:43.32 | Alevice | maybe trough unit height? |
| 00:44.31 | Ahli | what would units on the bridge stop from going over the sides? |
| 00:44.33 | ArcanePariah | The issue comes when determining cliff level at the point, the game I don't think can support multiple cliff levels at the same 2D point |
| 00:44.58 | Ahli | pathing, ranges, etc is 2D. graphics are 3D |
| 00:45.14 | ArcanePariah | In short, the game does not support any unit occupying the same Z point in the same pathing layer |
| 00:45.28 | Ahli | unless ignore collision :D |
| 00:45.40 | ArcanePariah | The only way to achieve this would be to make every unit flying, and add no fly zones all over |
| 00:45.47 | ArcanePariah | And I'm not sure even that would work |
| 00:46.10 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the retractable/extenable morph bridges can achieve similar ends. However, the standard bridges alone would not work, and would require some extra work so as to move units in the bridge area (using either a force effect or launch missile effect and/or an intermediary stage where the pathing footprint is unpathable.) |
| 00:46.13 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:10.00 | Alevice | bbl |
| 01:12.53 | revengeance | JademusSreg, you are involved in Starcraft universe aren't you? |
| 01:14.10 | Nytemare3701 | That sounds like a huge pain in the ass that I'm not willing to deal with for some aesthetic bridges. |
| 01:14.31 | Nytemare3701 | checks that feature off the list |
| 01:14.42 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm, can't have everything I'm afriad |
| 01:14.49 | JademusSreg | I was a contributor, sure. |
| 01:15.06 | ArcanePariah | The SC2 engine was primarly aimed at RTS, it was not meant to be super general purpose like say, the source engine |
| 01:17.25 | revengeance | THe SC2 engine is a game engine, source is a graphics engine. |
| 01:17.37 | revengeance | It doesn't have stuff like terrain and ramps hardcoded in. |
| 01:17.49 | revengeance | The SC2 engine was not even meant to be an RTS engine, it was meant to be a StarCraft engine.´ |
| 01:18.02 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so bad example, SC2 is more specific purpose then say, Unity |
| 01:18.35 | revengeance | Quite |
| 01:18.38 | revengeance | ArcanePariah, wanna fuck? |
| 01:18.58 | JademusSreg | Specifically, I suggested ways to improve code performance (since it's all GUI, actually coding for it was not desirable) and made interface textures based on their specifications. |
| 01:19.02 | ArcanePariah | Also, the SC2 engine was built with certain assumptions, which limit its usefulness for other generes (FPS being the biggest issue sadly) |
| 01:19.43 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, I remember seeing you in SCU JademusSreg, you have a character named after you |
| 01:19.48 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 01:19.57 | revengeance | JademusSreg, why did you hate me again. |
| 01:20.11 | JademusSreg | I don't hate you, Laj; you're adorable. |
| 01:21.25 | revengeance | That's what someone who hates me would say. |
| 01:21.40 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 01:25.42 | DeadZergling | I think the only person who hates Lajila is Lajila |
| 01:31.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster motive (motive@c-68-36-204-197.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:34.39 | ArcanePariah | Already some pretty fun extension mods |
| 01:34.42 | ArcanePariah | one super speeds up the game |
| 01:36.14 | Ahli | super speed up the game is easy now :D |
| 01:36.29 | Ahli | execute console command speed # in an action, done |
| 01:37.01 | JademusSreg | Wait... console command function works on bnet now? |
| 01:37.10 | Ahli | or? hmm |
| 01:37.30 | Ahli | didn't they work on bnet if executed by a trigger? |
| 01:37.39 | JademusSreg | To my knowledge, they didn't. |
| 01:37.43 | JademusSreg | I tested. |
| 01:38.35 | Ahli | hang on, I publish my diablo map with 4 times the normal speed :D |
| 01:39.50 | Ahli | btw, one thing I'm going to ask is the file limitation and the memory space limit... I'm slowly running out of it :D |
| 01:39.50 | DeadZergling | watch the main question Ahli gets asked is: What kind of alcohol do you drink to deal with the stress of developing for SC2? |
| 01:40.21 | JademusSreg | Follow up question, what kind of alcohol do you suggest map developers drink? |
| 01:40.57 | Ahli | tequila wasn't great, tried that in high school |
| 01:41.07 | JademusSreg | Gotta make a margarita. |
| 01:41.44 | Ahli | I don't remember what I had when I made my poker temple map on BW... I only remember that I was drunk, came back to home after a party, turned on the computer and mapped :D |
| 01:42.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, more technical details would be desirable. |
| 01:42.18 | Ahli | and once I think I was drugged... |
| 01:42.54 | JademusSreg | Mmmm, drugs. |
| 01:43.34 | ArcanePariah | Well, barring the presence of alchohol, Adderall does wonders I would assume |
| 01:44.02 | JademusSreg | I assure you, it merely gets one stuck chatting on IRC. |
| 01:44.23 | ArcanePariah | Heh, not for me |
| 01:44.26 | DeadZergling | final question for Ahli, out of all the possible projects you could have done, why did you choose to spend most your time remaking an old blizzard game inside a blizzard game? |
| 01:44.48 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 01:45.01 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/KopruluFactions%20DesignWank.txt |
| 01:45.13 | DeadZergling | while putting it off playing a blizzard game |
| 01:45.16 | JademusSreg | With this info defined, gotta start content design. =D |
| 01:45.49 | DeadZergling | nice rhyming Jade |
| 01:46.20 | JademusSreg | Not deliberate, though. |
| 01:47.00 | DeadZergling | Surely you jest, that rhyme was the best! |
| 01:47.37 | JademusSreg | Your screws must be loose to attempt rhyming like Seuss. |
| 01:48.23 | DeadZergling | My screws are indeed loose, likely from dev time increasing my caboose |
| 01:49.01 | Ahli | I was bored in early 2008 and I theorized about implementing something like final fantasy in BW, then I thought about items and thought about D1. I noted down a system that could implement D1's fight mechanics and item system... then I implemented stuff in BW, but that is way more time demanding than doing in in sc2. :D Then I picked that up again after sc2's release when I tinkered with dialogs to learn them... diablo inventory |
| 01:49.55 | JademusSreg | Such reference may be crass, however veritably extended is the volume of your ass. |
| 01:51.12 | Ahli | 29mb of BW trigger code :X I still have that file :D |
| 01:51.30 | Ahli | but my chess like battlefield with WASD controls and mouse click to shoot arrow was buggy :S |
| 01:51.39 | Ahli | never found the bug =/ |
| 01:51.39 | DeadZergling | yea I remember those days, if you wanted to do anything, triggers! |
| 01:52.14 | Ahli | also I've found the limitation of SCBW where the attempt of saving the game crashes the game |
| 01:52.27 | Ahli | problem is/was the amount of triggers ;D |
| 01:52.53 | Ahli | 65535 # or more triggers => crash |
| 01:52.55 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 01:52.59 | Ahli | I stopped at about 73k |
| 01:53.00 | Bounty | Interesting in hearing a concept? :) |
| 01:53.11 | Bounty | Interested* |
| 01:53.14 | DeadZergling | there we go |
| 01:53.22 | DeadZergling | now I can be interested, rather than interesting |
| 01:53.27 | DeadZergling | so I guess I actually lose here |
| 01:53.40 | Bounty | Is that a yes or no? Stop speaking in riddles! |
| 01:53.45 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 01:53.52 | Bounty | Alright |
| 01:54.03 | Bounty | I'll keep it simple so you can stop it at anytime, you just ask questions as I go |
| 01:54.27 | Bounty | It would be two teams, one team are the guards that patrol and the other are assassins sent to kill the king. |
| 01:54.52 | Bounty | It would be somewhat assassins creed like in that you also look like NPC's wandering in the town |
| 01:55.10 | Bounty | Movement would be scripted but you can choose paths a long a line |
| 01:55.23 | Bounty | That way you blend in more with the NPC's |
| 01:55.29 | Bounty | any questions? :) |
| 01:56.00 | Necromoni | Did you play alot of assassin's creed online |
| 01:56.09 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, none yet |
| 01:56.42 | Bounty | yeah I did |
| 01:56.56 | Bounty | the game is set in 2 phases |
| 01:57.06 | Bounty | the first is set in the town outside the kings castle |
| 01:57.31 | Bounty | where the assassins must gather objectives such as weapons and disguises in order to progress |
| 01:57.53 | Bounty | once they have done so without being caught by the guards they progress to the castle where the objective is to, obviously kill the king. |
| 01:58.03 | Bounty | its pretty basic atm but what do you think? |
| 01:58.11 | Ahli | oh damned, I remember I wanted to test something :D |
| 01:58.17 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:58.36 | DeadZergling | seems like the guards should have quite an advantage in stats |
| 01:58.37 | Ahli | the speed thing |
| 01:58.46 | DeadZergling | due to the lame camo thing |
| 01:59.36 | Necromoni | i actually think someone started |
| 01:59.48 | JademusSreg | Started what?! |
| 01:59.49 | Necromoni | to make the assassin's creed online mode thing |
| 01:59.55 | Bounty | Guards would be able to interrogate people |
| 02:00.00 | Bounty | This is not that |
| 02:00.13 | Necromoni | that wasnt that either |
| 02:01.55 | Bounty | and since obviously I cannot program NPC's to talk like players, interactions between guards and all other players would be scripted with a conversation wheel. |
| 02:02.05 | Necromoni | Basically, all the killers are decepting all the guards who are like detectives, i'd try to bring it to a sc2 level |
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| 02:02.20 | Bounty | Guards would mostly have work together and choose the right patrol paths so they can spot out of place activity |
| 02:02.41 | Bounty | This is my concept for what I would like to do when I return to the Arcade |
| 02:02.54 | DeadZergling | sounds like it could be interesting, good luck finding several players willing to learn the game well enough to make it so |
| 02:02.57 | Bounty | I would like to start with something new, if it fails then I will just make Doodad Hunt 2 or something lol |
| 02:03.07 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:03.12 | Necromoni | I kinda wanna remake archers |
| 02:03.22 | Bounty | Well thats the point DeadZergling |
| 02:03.26 | JademusSreg | Several of your maps were featured in the free Arcade announcement. |
| 02:03.28 | Bounty | I think its worth the risk, if it fails then w/e |
| 02:03.35 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 02:03.49 | Bounty | I've been emailing Blizz back and forth for a few months about me coming back |
| 02:04.23 | Ahli | JademusSreg: no, it doesn't work on bnet =( |
| 02:04.27 | Bounty | They said they will support me in promotions of any kickstarters etc |
| 02:04.35 | Bounty | But I don't think my maps are worthy of a kickstarter |
| 02:04.52 | rtschutter | bleh |
| 02:04.54 | Bounty | I think patreon would be better for me |
| 02:05.05 | rtschutter | let the people who want to donate decide that |
| 02:05.25 | Bounty | Its not about forcing people to donate |
| 02:05.26 | Necromoni | people donate for anything nowadays |
| 02:05.33 | Bounty | Its about bringing it to peoples attentions |
| 02:05.40 | Bounty | I've never received a penny from donations |
| 02:05.45 | Bounty | I am horrible at advertising lol |
| 02:05.49 | Necromoni | same |
| 02:06.10 | Ahli | yeah, I didn't even accept a donation request :X |
| 02:06.14 | Bounty | yet I have so many games that Blizzard sees fit to advertise in their trailers |
| 02:06.18 | rtschutter | lol |
| 02:06.24 | rtschutter | dont try to make me feel bad for taking money |
| 02:06.27 | rtschutter | I refuse |
| 02:06.33 | Bounty | Psh, take that shit |
| 02:06.37 | rtschutter | I have a mortgage |
| 02:06.41 | Bounty | You don't know the financial situation of those people |
| 02:06.53 | Ahli | well, it was for my diablo map and it was/is nowhere near finished or I had no idea if it was/is possible to finish it |
| 02:06.58 | Ahli | at that time |
| 02:06.59 | Bounty | You're providing much more entertainment than a caster does |
| 02:07.05 | Bounty | as a map maker |
| 02:07.16 | Necromoni | depends |
| 02:07.21 | Necromoni | but generally they should be |
| 02:07.38 | rtschutter | ah the comparison game doesnt help anyone though |
| 02:07.46 | Bounty | You should have finished that Ahli if possible |
| 02:07.49 | rtschutter | blizzard just needs to produce the marketplace for arcade already |
| 02:07.59 | Ahli | I'm still occasionally working on it |
| 02:08.01 | Bounty | I know it does not help anyone, its just something to think about |
| 02:08.20 | Bounty | Motivation if you will |
| 02:08.31 | Bounty | Agreed schutter |
| 02:08.40 | Bounty | This is my first time meeting you and I think I am head over heels already |
| 02:08.46 | revengeance | rtschutter, I recognise your name. |
| 02:08.47 | Bounty | Hold me back JademusSreg |
| 02:08.49 | revengeance | You commented on my map. |
| 02:08.52 | Bounty | >.< |
| 02:09.00 | revengeance | The snow one with the orange fumes |
| 02:09.05 | Ahli | revengeance: he is Mr. GameHeart :) |
| 02:09.13 | revengeance | Who is that? |
| 02:09.21 | Ahli | do you know gameheart? |
| 02:09.30 | revengeance | Never heard of it, what is it? |
| 02:09.42 | rtschutter | lol |
| 02:09.46 | Ahli | the reason why Blizzard added interfaces :D |
| 02:09.48 | rtschutter | my reputation does not precede me! |
| 02:09.57 | rtschutter | yeah your map looked cool |
| 02:10.10 | rtschutter | I cant comment much on playability but I love looking at the different art styles people come up with |
| 02:10.47 | revengeance | Ahli, explain? |
| 02:11.24 | Bounty | I think Blizzard is on track to deliver the marketplace |
| 02:11.29 | revengeance | rtschutter, well, basically closed naturals are a cancer to this game or something. |
| 02:11.39 | Bounty | All of this out of the blue Arcade hype etc |
| 02:11.41 | rtschutter | wait which map was yours revengeance? |
| 02:11.41 | Bounty | making it FTP |
| 02:11.43 | Ahli | he modified the game UI with triggers... Blizzard saw that it was good and made a better way of doing it :D |
| 02:11.44 | Bounty | etc |
| 02:11.45 | rtschutter | I mgith have it mixed up |
| 02:11.54 | revengeance | rtschutter, ehh |
| 02:12.28 | Bounty | I cannot think of any other reason to make the Arcade FTP other than it being a prerequisite to the Marketplace |
| 02:12.40 | Ahli | Bounty, blizzcon info is that they need more experience with that and lay the fundamentals for that. They do that stuff with heroes, so maybe after heroes |
| 02:12.45 | rtschutter | that is an interesting point bounty |
| 02:12.49 | revengeance | rtschutter, this nigger: http://imgur.com/a/nPO7c#0 |
| 02:13.04 | revengeance | My praeduction is that the F2P arcade is going to change almost nothing. |
| 02:13.14 | revengeance | And no new people will join for the most part. |
| 02:13.23 | revengeance | Because well, almost no one plays at the arcade. |
| 02:13.24 | Bounty | They won't unless they advertise it well |
| 02:13.26 | Bounty | Which they are not IMO |
| 02:13.27 | Ahli | atm it's advertizing sc2 and preparing people for sc2's networking architecture before they launch heroes which will feel laggier than lol/dota2 |
| 02:13.37 | Bounty | Yeah but they're not advertising it |
| 02:13.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:13.48 | Ahli | you download the client and stuff is present |
| 02:13.53 | revengeance | I think the major reason no one plays in the arcade is simply that the games aren't that fun and they were never that fun in War3 and BW as well, they were just fun for the time. |
| 02:14.01 | revengeance | If you look back, a lot of those games were actually pretty terrible. |
| 02:14.06 | Ahli | how does their main bnet UI look for starter? |
| 02:14.07 | rtschutter | damn revenge |
| 02:14.15 | revengeance | Ahli, same, doesn't it? |
| 02:14.16 | Bounty | they're advertising it on the SC2 website, which assumes people are even visiting that website |
| 02:14.21 | rtschutter | I kind of agree with you as brutal as that opinion is |
| 02:14.26 | JademusSreg | Yeah, most maps are pretty terrible. |
| 02:14.46 | revengeance | Even in BW, a lot of the stuff we played was actually below the level of a flash game on new grounds. |
| 02:14.54 | revengeance | It's just that for that time ti was good I guess. |
| 02:15.09 | revengeance | I don't know, I tried a lot of the arcade maps, I jst don't think they're that fun. |
| 02:15.33 | rtschutter | thats what I was saying today...these games people are making are not as successful in sc2 because they are not as ambitious, and there are a lot of third party alternative to tower defense style games for example |
| 02:15.42 | rtschutter | the games might be amazing |
| 02:15.48 | rtschutter | but the market is not the same as it was in wc3 |
| 02:16.12 | rtschutter | we need more ambitious projects but that is very difficult to do without some kind of light at the end of the tunnel |
| 02:16.14 | JademusSreg | Ambition isn't lacking, good design usually is. |
| 02:16.21 | rtschutter | such as monetization through a marketplace |
| 02:16.28 | rtschutter | well |
| 02:16.37 | revengeance | Well, starbow really took of recently. |
| 02:16.42 | revengeance | Which I think people overrate. |
| 02:16.42 | rtschutter | in cases where there is lots of ambition perhaps there is not as much follow through |
| 02:16.53 | revengeance | People are super excited about pretty insignificant shit in starbow. |
| 02:16.57 | JademusSreg | Ambition alone does not a good game make. |
| 02:17.14 | revengeance | Like, PsY made a video being super excited about the "micro potential"of starbow because basically someone was pulling goons back to stop them from being hit by hydras. |
| 02:17.19 | rtschutter | ambitious projects take a lot of time and effort, and it is almost impossible to expect anyone to pursue that or complete it in these conditions |
| 02:17.30 | revengeance | Not nearly as impressive as a good marine split or good blink micro. |
| 02:17.31 | Ahli | they are excitied that they see a version of SC2 that is more BW than SC2... they wouldn't play a totally different rts, neither |
| 02:18.04 | Ahli | so, I think starbow really hits the nerve in some ways... not that different from sc2 but close enough to bw to be praised |
| 02:18.17 | revengeance | They are excited because everyone tells them to be excited. |
| 02:18.20 | Ahli | well, it's a result of the general frustration with hots' unit additions |
| 02:18.24 | revengeance | Peer pressure is the scourge of this community. |
| 02:18.29 | revengeance | DAE le flash guise? |
| 02:18.53 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 02:18.57 | rtschutter | I am not sure I agree |
| 02:19.10 | rtschutter | that same thing can work to the advantage of any developer the same as it has for the starbow guys |
| 02:19.15 | Ahli | "DAE le flash guise?" translate? |
| 02:19.20 | rtschutter | triggering it is not so easy though |
| 02:19.30 | rtschutter | he is talking about hive mentatlity ahli |
| 02:19.32 | Bounty | [21:18] <revengeance> Peer pressure is the scourge of this community. |
| 02:19.40 | Bounty | I will quote that until the end of time |
| 02:19.43 | Bounty | So good |
| 02:19.51 | revengeance | Ahli, everyone was hyping flash basically because everyone was hyping flash. |
| 02:19.56 | Ahli | yeah, you kind of need that at the right time... starbow was not popular for 3 years now :D |
| 02:20.00 | rtschutter | I assume he is using the hype about flash coming to SC2 and then doing almost nothing as an example of people who get excited prematurely |
| 02:20.12 | revengeance | Ahli, success is being at the right place at the right time. |
| 02:20.18 | Ahli | ^ |
| 02:20.24 | revengeance | Crank streams it and BOOM it takes off, one goal gets to watch at the sidelines |
| 02:20.33 | revengeance | if Crank had streamed one goal then BOOM that would have taken off. |
| 02:20.51 | revengeance | rtschutter, why would you assume me to be a he? |
| 02:20.54 | rtschutter | I am not sure that is entirely true |
| 02:21.04 | Ahli | are you really not a he? |
| 02:21.06 | revengeance | Why not, would I lie to you? |
| 02:21.11 | revengeance | Of course I'm not a he. |
| 02:21.12 | rtschutter | well I wasn't going to assume you were a she |
| 02:21.16 | revengeance | That would be totally gay if I were a he |
| 02:21.27 | revengeance | You should, I always do it |
| 02:21.31 | revengeance | Just assume everyone is female. |
| 02:21.39 | ArcanePariah | What most maps lack is a unifying vision |
| 02:21.39 | rtschutter | I am not |
| 02:21.50 | JademusSreg | Gender, useless construct, blah blah. |
| 02:21.55 | revengeance | rtschutter, I think you lie, there are only women on the internet. |
| 02:21.59 | revengeance | JademusSreg, I concur. |
| 02:22.05 | rtschutter | that might be true Arcane |
| 02:22.09 | rtschutter | I am not sure |
| 02:22.13 | revengeance | I'm biologically female though, but I don't really care for that shit. |
| 02:22.17 | rtschutter | I need to study the arcade maps that are already out |
| 02:22.31 | Ahli | can't they produce new humans with 2 females? I think that was in the media a few years ago |
| 02:22.46 | revengeance | Imprinting genes are a problem. |
| 02:22.57 | ArcanePariah | Without too muhc self praise, one reason NotD has lasted as long as it has, as solely a PvE game, is there a solid vision and cooperation around it. I do not inject design, I do code, my designer does not second guess my abilites, he designs and trusts me when I say something is or is not possible |
| 02:22.59 | revengeance | THe embryo would shrivel up basically. |
| 02:23.10 | revengeance | But anyway, what is this gameheart business? |
| 02:23.13 | ArcanePariah | And our primary guy does not micromanage us |
| 02:23.13 | revengeance | Some kind of custom map. |
| 02:23.18 | rtschutter | oh cool you are part of NotD Arcane? |
| 02:23.22 | ArcanePariah | He lets us do what we do best |
| 02:23.27 | ArcanePariah | Yes I am the current coder |
| 02:23.36 | rtschutter | new one looks cool, I tried to give it a shoutout in my last blog post but I doubt it did much |
| 02:23.37 | Ahli | :D I can't design... I can execute =/ |
| 02:23.39 | JademusSreg | Arc codes the currents. |
| 02:23.47 | revengeance | Ahli, so, you don't hate me any more right now now that I behave like a normal sensible human being? |
| 02:24.01 | ArcanePariah | Ability is our primary guy, he organizes at a top level, Kithrixx does design, I code |
| 02:24.07 | Ahli | atm you aren't acting super weird |
| 02:24.08 | rtschutter | Revengeance, GameHeart is a mod spectator solution to help tournaments put on higher quality productions easily. |
| 02:24.25 | Ahli | but atm I'm doing nothing, so I can't be annoyed by useless highlighting |
| 02:24.29 | revengeance | So it's basically peepmode like or something? |
| 02:24.33 | revengeance | With extra observer features? |
| 02:24.36 | ArcanePariah | We also have one person to create models, and another handle community affairs |
| 02:24.39 | revengeance | Like, built in scoreboard? |
| 02:24.51 | rtschutter | Its similar to peepmode but targeted at esports broadcasters |
| 02:25.06 | rtschutter | like built in team logos and such |
| 02:25.12 | revengeance | Ahh |
| 02:25.15 | rtschutter | when a team liquid player spawns on a gameheart map |
| 02:25.15 | revengeance | That's kind of cool |
| 02:25.19 | revengeance | are any tournaments using it? |
| 02:25.20 | rtschutter | his logo appears in his mineral line |
| 02:25.21 | rtschutter | and so forth |
| 02:25.26 | rtschutter | most tournaments use it now |
| 02:25.31 | Ahli | success ! |
| 02:25.36 | revengeance | Ahh |
| 02:25.37 | ArcanePariah | Indeed |
| 02:25.38 | JademusSreg | Works? |
| 02:25.40 | revengeance | Never heard of it. |
| 02:25.42 | rtschutter | Red Bull, Dreamhack, IEM, Asus ROG, Teamstory Cup |
| 02:25.51 | ArcanePariah | Nice |
| 02:25.51 | revengeance | But I don actually watch this game. |
| 02:25.54 | revengeance | I just play ladder. |
| 02:26.14 | rtschutter | I can't convince blizzard to use it for WCS though |
| 02:26.16 | rtschutter | they refuse |
| 02:26.39 | JademusSreg | If the speed command works in online play, that means one can force more updates, sweet. |
| 02:26.47 | revengeance | rtschutter, why? |
| 02:26.48 | Ahli | JademusSreg: doesn't work :X |
| 02:26.53 | JademusSreg | Oh, damn you. |
| 02:27.02 | revengeance | rtschutter, doesn't using a custom map for observing fuck up with replays? |
| 02:27.11 | JademusSreg | Extension mods. |
| 02:27.13 | rtschutter | not really |
| 02:27.14 | revengeance | rofl |
| 02:27.16 | revengeance | extension mods. |
| 02:27.26 | Ahli | since the observers are now spectators, it doesn't ;D |
| 02:27.28 | revengeance | Like, 4 months back I proposed a similar system to extension mods |
| 02:27.29 | rtschutter | what about e-mods? |
| 02:27.31 | ArcanePariah | Uggh, what I meant earlier by super speed extension mod was one that had acclerated build times, research times and increased harvest rates |
| 02:27.39 | revengeance | and someone who claimed to have years of software dev experience said it was impossible |
| 02:27.40 | ArcanePariah | And a huge supply cap |
| 02:27.42 | ArcanePariah | 800 |
| 02:27.45 | rtschutter | extension mods have been in development since like august |
| 02:27.46 | revengeance | because of "compile time" and "runtime" |
| 02:27.48 | rtschutter | thats when they told me about them |
| 02:27.53 | revengeance | Two words he compltely misused as buzzwords the entire time. |
| 02:28.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:28.03 | revengeance | I have a 300 pop cap mod. |
| 02:28.17 | revengeance | I really dislike that guy, run into debates with him a lot about shit. |
| 02:28.31 | rtschutter | who is it? |
| 02:28.40 | revengeance | He also has his own mapmaking team which he calls a "premier professional mapmaking team", I'm pretty sure they never got paid anything |
| 02:28.48 | ArcanePariah | So far the games have been fun, massive armies and huge combat, had 300 supply at one point, but due to the sheer speed of production, was throwing armies away non stop |
| 02:28.48 | revengeance | Caustic |
| 02:28.53 | revengeance | Iamcaustic |
| 02:28.54 | revengeance | ever heard of? |
| 02:28.57 | revengeance | Trevor Willis? |
| 02:29.02 | rtschutter | I recognize the name but I don't know who it is |
| 02:29.11 | revengeance | Mapper. |
| 02:29.16 | revengeance | One of the standard TL community mappers |
| 02:29.16 | Ahli | no clue :X |
| 02:29.28 | revengeance | you know, the kind who are like "and if you like other maps than I that must mean you don't understand the game" |
| 02:29.39 | Ahli | I only recognize the names of melee mappers that did something I know or made drama :D |
| 02:29.47 | revengeance | I like how a platinum league player maining one race tells me as a master random that I don't understand the game. |
| 02:30.08 | revengeance | Basically because I think defenders advantage is overrated |
| 02:30.08 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me, shader modification support would be nice. |
| 02:30.26 | Ahli | JademusSreg: example what you could do with it |
| 02:30.27 | revengeance | Ahli, I always cause drama |
| 02:30.35 | Ahli | you always have a different name |
| 02:30.39 | revengeance | I always on reddit tell people they should be impaled with a chainsaw and then people downvote me. =( |
| 02:30.43 | Ahli | that's one thing that annoys me |
| 02:30.47 | Ahli | name changes really annoy me |
| 02:30.55 | ArcanePariah | Ultimately the primary issue I see with maps is either people have outsized egos on design or techincal proficiecy, so they end up battling other team members, or going solo or fighting their own community |
| 02:30.59 | revengeance | Ahli, why? |
| 02:31.05 | JademusSreg | Ahli, goto shadertoy. |
| 02:31.06 | revengeance | I change name with every new free name change |
| 02:31.11 | ArcanePariah | But frankly that is a problem in game development in general |
| 02:31.24 | Ahli | my brain can't successfully link all unimportant information it gathers about different names |
| 02:31.34 | JademusSreg | Or if you'd prefer excess verbiage on my part, make change render different gooder. |
| 02:31.44 | revengeance | Ahli, you need to mentally refer to a person with a name? |
| 02:31.45 | Ahli | shadertoy freezes firefox |
| 02:31.54 | revengeance | What is my name to you mentally? |
| 02:31.57 | Ahli | my brain stores information like that |
| 02:31.59 | revengeance | What name do you refer to me with mentally |
| 02:32.09 | revengeance | Mine doesn't. |
| 02:32.13 | Ahli | lallja, something I am supposed to misstype all the time |
| 02:32.23 | revengeance | It's lajjla I think |
| 02:32.26 | revengeance | I had that nickname once. |
| 02:32.39 | rtschutter | Arcane I don't have to worry about such issues because the only person I work with is Ahli |
| 02:32.40 | revengeance | I change my IRC handle like every 6 hours. |
| 02:32.44 | revengeance | To something completely random |
| 02:33.23 | rtschutter | I would really like to make an arcade game |
| 02:33.28 | rtschutter | but I cant afford to |
| 02:33.58 | revengeance | Hmm |
| 02:34.05 | revengeance | Maybe you should make an observer mod instead |
| 02:34.10 | revengeance | There was someone here just yet that did that |
| 02:34.13 | revengeance | maybe you can help her. |
| 02:34.28 | rtschutter | gameheart paid my bills for 3 months |
| 02:34.36 | rtschutter | but now I need to find more money somewhere |
| 02:34.50 | Ahli | redbull didn't pay yet, right? |
| 02:35.09 | rtschutter | no they haven't paid me anything |
| 02:35.12 | rtschutter | you sent them an invoice? |
| 02:35.34 | Ahli | wasn't this a black market deal? :D |
| 02:35.50 | rtschutter | lol fuck no paypal tracks my transactions |
| 02:36.11 | rtschutter | I have to pay taxes on all of that shit which means I need to be able to account for where the money I pay you is coming from and going |
| 02:36.30 | rtschutter | I owe you $150 too |
| 02:36.33 | Ahli | I know |
| 02:36.43 | rtschutter | lol |
| 02:36.57 | revengeance | rtschutter, what is your opinion on people who don't use the objective-whom properly/ |
| 02:37.01 | rtschutter | have you talked to them at all lately? |
| 02:37.34 | Ahli | I think I would missuse it |
| 02:38.42 | revengeance | rtschutter, yes |
| 02:38.46 | Ahli | also, I always mistype ususe |
| 02:38.53 | revengeance | The grammar of many casters is really bad. |
| 02:38.54 | Ahli | *missuse |
| 02:38.59 | revengeance | Especially Apollo |
| 02:39.08 | rtschutter | I thought you didn't watch |
| 02:39.22 | Ahli | doesn't matter, English accent is enough for me to like how people speak :D |
| 02:39.24 | revengeance | I feel hat someone should make an example out of them, randomly kill a person with bad grammar every hour until people start to get good grammar. |
| 02:39.35 | revengeance | rtschutter, I lied. |
| 02:39.38 | revengeance | I lie a lot. |
| 02:39.44 | revengeance | I always knew what gameheart is and who you are. |
| 02:39.46 | revengeance | I just lied. |
| 02:39.49 | rtschutter | apollo messaged me yesterday |
| 02:39.56 | rtschutter | they are going to use gh for iem this weekend |
| 02:40.06 | Ahli | there they are, the weird things you do all the time |
| 02:40.06 | revengeance | Message him back that his grammar is awful and that he should be impaled with a chain saw. |
| 02:40.29 | revengeance | Ahli lying? |
| 02:40.41 | revengeance | Well, I do lie a lot. |
| 02:40.56 | revengeance | Basically I I think I maintain a 20-80 truth to falsehood ratio in anything I say. |
| 02:41.32 | Ahli | like being female or masters, yes yes |
| 02:42.03 | revengeance | No, those are actually true. |
| 02:42.11 | revengeance | I got solo zen master recently. |
| 02:42.17 | revengeance | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1vvst1/not_a_promotion_but_still_the_ultimate_no_life/ check |
| 02:42.54 | Ahli | oh god :D |
| 02:43.05 | Ahli | another different name |
| 02:43.07 | Ahli | and another |
| 02:43.25 | revengeance | don't tell me you are one of those people who is 'Ahli' on the entire internet. |
| 02:43.40 | revengeance | The only reason I have a nickname on websites / irc is because they typically require you to have one |
| 02:43.40 | Ahli | game-specific |
| 02:43.51 | revengeance | I wouldn't mind of reddit allowed you to post anonymously. |
| 02:44.33 | revengeance | The only reason I am on /r/starcraft anyway is because you can't get banned there so all my death wishes to random people go there because they don ban you there for telling people they should stick an angle grinder up their arse´ |
| 02:45.49 | Ahli | Ahli was always my sc2 name. CaRe was/is my FPS name. I've some others in case they are blocked or I need unique usernames |
| 02:48.25 | revengeance | Why would you get a name? |
| 02:48.32 | revengeance | Why not just use "." everywhere. |
| 02:48.59 | revengeance | Ahli, did I tell you how large my breasts are? |
| 02:49.06 | revengeance | Well |
| 02:49.11 | revengeance | Compared to Germans probably not that large. |
| 02:49.29 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@dslb-088-076-009-116.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:49.34 | revengeance | I guess even Kölsche Männer have larger ones than I with all that beer. |
| 02:49.42 | revengeance | rtschutter, she's gone, she hates me. |
| 02:53.11 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/arcade/en/blog/12540671/introducing-the-blizzard-arcade-website-1-22-2014 |
| 02:53.42 | revengeance | JademusSreg, rtschutter ignores me and concordantly feels an emotion, vis á vis, hatred, towards me. The quintessential human condition. |
| 02:56.41 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:57.30 | revengeance | JademusSreg, why does everyone hate me. |
| 02:57.38 | revengeance | I think it's misogeny |
| 02:57.42 | revengeance | because I'm a woman. |
| 02:59.01 | JademusSreg | Skeptical hatred is the quintessential human condition. |
| 02:59.30 | revengeance | There's something dark in me, JademusSreg. |
| 02:59.39 | revengeance | Except that kerrigan's boobs are way smaller than mine. |
| 02:59.43 | revengeance | I do have dreadlocks though |
| 02:59.52 | revengeance | but not a natural, I put some shit in it. |
| 02:59.59 | revengeance | I think hers grows like that automatically |
| 03:00.09 | revengeance | At least, I'm not seeing any outgrowth, you can see that with me if you look closely. |
| 03:00.20 | revengeance | Maybe she's just really punctual about it so that you don't see it. |
| 03:01.54 | JademusSreg | And while misogyny is common on the internet, I doubt it is applicable here, as any hypothetical misogynist can't verify your gender. |
| 03:02.47 | JademusSreg | And, though it may not be related, humans are gross. |
| 03:04.00 | JademusSreg | Fortunately, humans have emotions and biological imperatives to facilitate their interactions. |
| 03:08.20 | rtschutter | oh man |
| 03:08.23 | rtschutter | this arcade website |
| 03:08.41 | rtschutter | bounty the evidence is pointing more and more to you being correct |
| 03:08.45 | revengeance | JademusSreg, were we not talking about Kerrigan's hairstyle. |
| 03:08.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:08.55 | Bounty | I told ya |
| 03:08.58 | revengeance | rtschutter, what do you mean? |
| 03:09.23 | Bounty | Blizzard is a business and as such, you do not make something FTP without some sort of profit foreshadowing |
| 03:09.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:10.22 | revengeance | Bounty, what is this all about sweetie |
| 03:11.08 | Bounty | sec bro, have to scroll up |
| 03:12.22 | Bounty | [21:12] <Bounty> I cannot think of any other reason to make the Arcade FTP other than it being a prerequisite to the Marketplace |
| 03:12.31 | Bounty | I think that is what he was referring to |
| 03:14.42 | revengeance | Ahhh |
| 03:14.45 | revengeance | Bounty, why do you hate me? |
| 03:14.54 | Bounty | What? |
| 03:14.59 | Bounty | I don't hate anybody lol |
| 03:15.22 | Bounty | I mean I do, but they are more personal people :) |
| 03:15.49 | Bounty | What I am saying is it takes a lot for me to say I hate someone and I hate no nobody in this chat or within the community |
| 03:15.53 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:16.42 | revengeance | Bounty, maybe I phrased poorly. |
| 03:17.02 | revengeance | Why do you want to put a chainsaw through my skull and laugh maniacly as the life drains from me in an inhuman scream of agony and pain? |
| 03:17.27 | Bounty | what? |
| 03:17.39 | revengeance | Well, that |
| 03:17.44 | revengeance | why would you want to do that to me |
| 03:17.49 | revengeance | thatś a bit draconic don't you think? |
| 03:17.55 | revengeance | I mean, sure, I'm an obnoxious little fucker. |
| 03:18.01 | Bounty | mah gawd |
| 03:18.06 | revengeance | But that kind of capital punishment, surely the punishment must fit the crime? |
| 03:18.07 | Bounty | you trawlin me hard brah |
| 03:18.31 | revengeance | You want to do that to me just because I troll a little? |
| 03:18.33 | revengeance | Why? |
| 03:18.42 | Bounty | Nope |
| 03:19.00 | Bounty | I take it you within the Bounty is Hitler circle though |
| 03:19.07 | Bounty | you're* |
| 03:19.31 | rtschutter | Bounty what arcade maps did you make? |
| 03:19.51 | Bounty | Ones that are currently upload or of all time? |
| 03:20.06 | rtschutter | what are your most successful arcade maps? |
| 03:20.07 | rtschutter | lol |
| 03:20.19 | Bounty | alright, that narrows it down a bit |
| 03:20.20 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:20.47 | Bounty | wait |
| 03:20.58 | Bounty | can I can before it was named the Arcade? |
| 03:21.07 | Bounty | or only after? |
| 03:21.12 | rtschutter | lol sure |
| 03:21.21 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:21.28 | Bounty | I'll go by date of creation/release |
| 03:21.34 | Bounty | 1 = oldest etc |
| 03:26.21 | Bounty | 1.) Planetary Boss Fortress 2.) Planetary Boss Hunt 3.) Haunted Temple 4.) Doodad Hunt 5.) Win the Crowd (Never left Beta but was popular among testers) 6.) Battlefield Egypt 2 7.) TriFaction 8.) Ling Ling Rocket 9.) Photon Discs 10.) Haunted Forest 11.) Gnolls VS Trolls 12.) Photon Synergy (This could be disputed but I consider this a success) |
| 03:26.24 | Bounty | whew |
| 03:26.28 | Bounty | there you go lol |
| 03:26.33 | DeadZergling | Guess no such list exists judging from how long Bounty is taking |
| 03:26.42 | DeadZergling | nevermind, there he is :) |
| 03:26.50 | rtschutter | haha cool man |
| 03:26.52 | Bounty | I should SS this DeadZergling |
| 03:26.59 | Bounty | it is almost as if you were waiting |
| 03:27.03 | Bounty | with the message pre typed |
| 03:27.04 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:27.05 | DeadZergling | you could |
| 03:27.11 | DeadZergling | but it'd be a waste of your time |
| 03:27.38 | Bounty | I really think I should use patreon VS kickstarter though |
| 03:27.58 | Bounty | Kickstarter is more for big projects that take years |
| 03:28.02 | DeadZergling | seems more appropriate for mr never going to be on a team for anything |
| 03:28.11 | Bounty | Usually only takes me a month or two, or a few weeks to do mine |
| 03:28.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~ArcanePar@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:28.30 | Bounty | Hey, I avoid teams because it would be pointless |
| 03:28.40 | Bounty | I see what I want to do and I do it lol |
| 03:28.52 | Bounty | like Tarantino |
| 03:28.53 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:29.10 | Bounty | BUT |
| 03:29.23 | Bounty | I would definitely accept a modeler or a composer on my team |
| 03:29.23 | rtschutter | the problem with teams is you have to trust people to do their shit |
| 03:29.33 | Bounty | Not even that, that is the least of my concerns |
| 03:29.58 | Bounty | I do not consider myself special when it comes to visions but when I have a vision, that is what it is and what it should be |
| 03:30.10 | Bounty | You can't place that type of thing in other peoples hands |
| 03:30.18 | Bounty | IMO |
| 03:30.46 | Bounty | Now, on the other hand, if I could find a modeler and composer that thinks the way I do |
| 03:30.50 | Bounty | I would so hire them |
| 03:31.43 | DeadZergling | thus why we can't even make a simple chicken deathmatch game together bounty, lol |
| 03:32.30 | rtschutter | compromising does suck |
| 03:32.38 | DeadZergling | Not that I want your vision to distort mine either :P |
| 03:42.50 | Bounty | Idk thought Dead |
| 03:42.56 | Bounty | I think we could do it |
| 03:43.02 | Bounty | Because its something we both agree on in a sense |
| 03:43.19 | Bounty | My issue comes with games in which I design specific set pieces for |
| 03:43.24 | Bounty | Like Haunted Forest etc |
| 03:43.33 | Bounty | Like, I want the player to feel X |
| 03:43.35 | Bounty | etc |
| 03:43.37 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 03:45.26 | JademusSreg | Zugzug? |
| 03:45.51 | ArcanePariah | Lok'Thar |
| 03:47.31 | Necromoni | ogar |
| 03:47.46 | ArcanePariah | For Doomhammer! |
| 03:47.48 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 03:48.05 | Necromoni | my eyes are open |
| 03:48.25 | JademusSreg | Oblivion awaits. |
| 03:48.47 | Necromoni | lok' narong? I think |
| 03:49.12 | Necromoni | lok' narosh |
| 03:49.16 | Necromoni | *** |
| 03:49.41 | DeadZergling | yea, I'll be around later anyways Bounty |
| 03:49.48 | DeadZergling | need to go home for now |
| 03:50.18 | Bounty | alrighty |
| 03:50.33 | DeadZergling | if you still on, I'd be open to discussing it again |
| 03:51.19 | Bounty | how long from now? |
| 03:51.28 | DeadZergling | 2 1/2 hours at most I imagine |
| 03:51.30 | Bounty | I can give you the answer now lolo |
| 03:51.38 | Bounty | Will be here |
| 03:51.40 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:51.46 | Bounty | its only 11 here |
| 03:51.49 | Bounty | pm |
| 03:51.59 | DeadZergling | yea, just gotta get home, actually spend time w/ wife and kids |
| 03:52.01 | DeadZergling | that sorta thing |
| 03:52.10 | DeadZergling | and with that, time to go :) |
| 04:38.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (322e815f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.46.129.95) |
| 04:39.33 | DeadZergling | Forgot, family is out at the moment |
| 04:39.47 | DeadZergling | You about Bounty? |
| 04:41.58 | Tolkfan | was there some Q&A with the devs recently? |
| 04:42.07 | Tolkfan | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/61598-blizzard-arcade-snowflake/#p15 (last post) |
| 04:43.02 | ArcanePariah | They did a Q/A for Storm, and all but confirmed mapmaking for Storm |
| 04:43.25 | ArcanePariah | Dustin Browder basically said "We doing mapmaking for Storm, just need to sort out how to stop people from uploading nasty shit" |
| 04:44.11 | ArcanePariah | Since storm will be F2P, no controls like SC2 where they can ban maps or people |
| 04:44.20 | ArcanePariah | Also |
| 04:44.39 | ArcanePariah | This: http://us.battle.net/arcade/en/blog/ |
| 04:47.20 | Tolkfan | thanks, found the q&a |
| 04:47.54 | Tolkfan | missed it because I though it was the one they did in december |
| 04:48.44 | Tolkfan | that arcade website makes me think marketplace is incoming |
| 04:52.02 | JademusSreg | Not unless they provide map and dependency data exclusively via streaming and/or an API that can support microstransactions. |
| 04:55.16 | DeadZergling | well I certainly know how to have a good time, back to editing grass to make it look prettier... |
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| 04:59.24 | Mooneater916 | hihi |
| 05:03.04 | DeadZergling | Just say no, to replying to Mooneater916 and Violence |
| 05:03.16 | Mooneater916 | violence? |
| 05:03.19 | Mooneater916 | u mean drugs? |
| 05:03.54 | DeadZergling | You are worse than drugs, so we had to let those go |
| 05:04.53 | Mooneater916 | uh... |
| 05:06.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 05:06.19 | DeadZergling | Hi Bounty, on earlier than I expected |
| 05:06.33 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:06.37 | Bounty | I do what I can |
| 05:06.57 | Bounty | Currently discussing the similarities between myself and Tarantino |
| 05:07.00 | Bounty | :) |
| 05:07.00 | JademusSreg | SCU announcement via the latest in social networking photograph technology: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=594907543913914 |
| 05:07.04 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:07.26 | DeadZergling | I'm just playing a game of make grass look prettier |
| 05:07.32 | DeadZergling | because I know how to have all the fun |
| 05:08.27 | Bounty | I am starting to think I should refer to myself as the Tarantino of the Arcade |
| 05:08.31 | Bounty | POW |
| 05:08.47 | DeadZergling | who the hell is Tarantino? |
| 05:09.05 | Bounty | quentin Tarantino |
| 05:09.09 | Bounty | err |
| 05:09.15 | Bounty | Quentin Tarantino |
| 05:09.30 | DeadZergling | Don't know the person, either way |
| 05:09.49 | Bounty | Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill |
| 05:10.06 | Bounty | Reservoir Dogs |
| 05:10.13 | Bounty | Django Unchained? |
| 05:10.28 | DeadZergling | who was he in pulp fiction? |
| 05:11.23 | Bounty | He was the writer/director of those |
| 05:12.12 | Tolkfan | he was the coffee guy, he made coffee |
| 05:14.23 | DeadZergling | I see, well before any discussion really takes place Bounty, should address the thing that caused you to say screw it, our ideas are too different last time |
| 05:14.38 | DeadZergling | that being your desire to use obscure people references, and my desire not to use them at all :P |
| 05:14.48 | Bounty | In reference to that chicke thing? |
| 05:14.57 | Bounty | chicken* |
| 05:15.25 | Bounty | I was talking about when I personally have a vision for how a game should look/play out, I do not want to work with others |
| 05:15.27 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:16.06 | DeadZergling | Yea I'm just saying, I have no desire to have an Alex Jones power up at all |
| 05:16.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:16.37 | Bounty | That would not be the result no matter what direction this went but ok |
| 05:18.53 | DeadZergling | yea well last time we discussed it, that was the issue that made you not want to do it co-op any more, lol |
| 05:21.37 | JademusSreg | Well, Grindhouse involved both Rodriguez and Tarantino, though it was a double feature. |
| 05:23.24 | JademusSreg | Hm... |
| 05:23.36 | JademusSreg | Wat are you working on Bounty? |
| 05:24.15 | JademusSreg | Oh, and I laughed the other night because the way you phrased it was amusing, haha. |
| 05:25.25 | DeadZergling | anyways, just want to be sure we can come to some kind of agreement on that before even discussing the rest, lol |
| 05:27.13 | JademusSreg | You could agree to disagree and hilariously work on two separate and gradually diverging maps and once finished struggle to merge them? |
| 05:31.28 | DeadZergling | sounds like a disaster waiting to happen |
| 05:31.41 | JademusSreg | Therein lies the humor. |
| 05:31.51 | Bounty | I assume you are referring to the logo thing JademusSreg? |
| 05:32.13 | Bounty | Its fine, I am designing it and we're having an artist translate it to be more prettty |
| 05:32.16 | Bounty | pretty* |
| 05:32.25 | Bounty | TIme is short |
| 05:33.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:34.55 | Bounty | @ DeadZergling, I am not sure what game we are talking about but I'm sure once my memory is refreshes I will remember more clearly |
| 05:35.01 | Bounty | I remember the discussion we had though |
| 05:35.09 | Bounty | I had my ideas and you disagreed |
| 05:36.02 | DeadZergling | you insisted on some ridiculous Alex Jones go crazy power up for the chickens, and I didn't want references like that in the game |
| 05:36.19 | Bounty | I will admit, the only thing that will get me off the track I am set on is a whole lot of paychecks lol |
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| 05:36.27 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:36.36 | Bounty | because Alex Jones is a joke |
| 05:36.38 | Bounty | and its funny |
| 05:36.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:39.22 | JademusSreg | What is this I don't even |
| 05:40.07 | Bounty | I know right, usually it is I who makes the inconceivable conversation transitions lol |
| 05:40.14 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:40.36 | DeadZergling | yes, hilarious to you and 1 or 2 other people on the planet earth |
| 05:40.44 | Bounty | I am working on a concept to answer your previous question JademusSreg |
| 05:40.46 | DeadZergling | is a wasted joke for everyone else |
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| 05:41.04 | Bounty | The concept I would like to return to the Arcade with |
| 05:41.10 | DeadZergling | Loco Pollo would be far better |
| 05:41.22 | Bounty | Mostly need a musical composer at this point sadly |
| 05:41.30 | Bounty | If I am to make any sort of profit |
| 05:41.38 | DeadZergling | I'm not against fun items, but stupid people reference items can go to hell |
| 05:41.55 | DeadZergling | I'd be open to using Colonel Sanders and Paula Deen |
| 05:42.05 | Bounty | o |
| 05:42.05 | DeadZergling | other ones are silly to use here |
| 05:42.08 | Bounty | what the fuck is Loco Poll |
| 05:42.18 | DeadZergling | Crazy Chicken, well Chicken meat anyways |
| 05:42.24 | DeadZergling | is spanish |
| 05:42.39 | JademusSreg | arranges hands upward indicative of confusion and disassociation. |
| 05:43.00 | Bounty | Let DeadZergling explain it |
| 05:43.02 | DeadZergling | that's okay, is me and Bounty discussing the possibility of co-oping a project in the future |
| 05:43.03 | Bounty | I barely remember it |
| 05:43.07 | DeadZergling | no sense is to be made! |
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| 05:43.45 | DeadZergling | well, concept would be simple, chickens in a smallish area, trying to knock each other into cooking oil/deep fryers |
| 05:43.58 | DeadZergling | probably have a simple health bar so possible to outright kill a chicken too |
| 05:44.09 | Bounty | Its fine dude |
| 05:44.27 | DeadZergling | lots of items, like grenade, holy hand grenade (total worms steal), health, and whatever else we come up with |
| 05:44.36 | Bounty | When I return with a game I would prefer it to be more awesome than Bumper Cars with Chickens |
| 05:44.39 | DeadZergling | probably handle the items something akin to how super mario kart handles them |
| 05:44.44 | Bounty | Not that I don't love the idea |
| 05:44.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:45.03 | Bounty | but what I return with will determine if I can continue or not |
| 05:45.06 | DeadZergling | I wouldn't want to spend more than 2 weeks completing it |
| 05:45.10 | Bounty | Must be careful |
| 05:45.19 | Bounty | Should only take you a week |
| 05:45.21 | Bounty | if that |
| 05:45.32 | DeadZergling | well if we do co-op it |
| 05:45.39 | DeadZergling | the cross communication can take tie |
| 05:45.41 | DeadZergling | *time |
| 05:46.39 | Bounty | Would not be worth it honestly |
| 05:46.50 | Bounty | Either one of us makes it or does not get made |
| 05:46.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:47.40 | Bounty | JademusSreg, you still there? |
| 05:47.53 | Bounty | I can copy paste what I said about the concept early if you like. |
| 05:47.54 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:47.58 | Bounty | In case you're interested |
| 05:48.11 | JademusSreg | I'm infinitely curious. |
| 05:48.23 | Bounty | well shit |
| 05:48.34 | Bounty | Can't scroll up because I was kicked a bit ago |
| 05:48.37 | Bounty | Give me a sec |
| 05:48.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:48.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:48.43 | DeadZergling | I played one map last saturday Bounty, simple as fuck |
| 05:48.46 | DeadZergling | but also fun as such |
| 05:49.01 | DeadZergling | could probably crap what I saw together in like a day or two |
| 05:49.06 | Bounty | Yeah, that is my specialty it seems |
| 05:49.19 | Bounty | Only mine are fun x fuck |
| 05:49.25 | Bounty | simple equation |
| 05:49.43 | Bounty | brb, trying to think of how to explain the concept to JademusSreg |
| 05:49.59 | Bounty | speaking to him requires a separate language |
| 05:50.06 | DeadZergling | i disagree, I think yours are 10fun / fuck |
| 05:50.17 | DeadZergling | the more of a fuck you give about them, put into them, the more horrible they turn out |
| 05:50.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:50.40 | Bounty | Either you know my history to well or you remember everything I've ever said |
| 05:50.43 | Bounty | brb :) |
| 05:51.15 | DeadZergling | Not everything, but I do remember a great deal of what you say. Granted you tend to repeat |
| 05:56.22 | JademusSreg | Just log everything, maintain records. |
| 05:57.15 | Bounty | Back |
| 05:57.23 | Bounty | Still there JademusSreg? |
| 05:57.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:57.46 | Bounty | Alrighty |
| 05:58.21 | Bounty | I will pause after each piece so you can ask any questions you may have (Which I'm sure you eventually will) about the concept |
| 05:59.36 | Bounty | Firstly, to start off, it will be two teams. The first team composed of Assassins with the overall objective to assassinate the king and the second team composed of guard with the overall objective to... you guess it, prevent any assassins from killing the king. |
| 05:59.45 | Bounty | Questions? Or may I continue. |
| 06:01.39 | JademusSreg | Sounds straightforward so far. |
| 06:02.02 | Bounty | Alrighty |
| 06:02.59 | Bounty | The game will be split into two sections, the first being the town located outside the kings court/castle. Within this section the Assassins goal is obtain weapons and disguises hidden in the town without being spotted by the guards |
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| 06:03.57 | Bounty | At this point it is important to note that movement in this game would be be WASD controlled. It would be viewed from the third person but all paths the players (On both sides) may take are scripted, it is just a matter of which direction they will take when a fork in the path presents itself |
| 06:04.12 | Bounty | This makes it so players can blend with NPC controlled wanderers |
| 06:04.27 | Bounty | Questions? Or can I continue? :) |
| 06:06.03 | Bounty | err the game would NOT be WASD controlled* |
| 06:06.53 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure the changes to controls would be not desirable. |
| 06:07.19 | Bounty | You would auto walk during the path you are on until a fork presents itself |
| 06:07.44 | Bounty | It allows you time to talk to your fellow Assassins |
| 06:08.02 | Bounty | without having to worry about the WASD keys and it allows you to appear just like the NPC's do |
| 06:08.40 | JademusSreg | I can understand why you'd want to do that, but such control systems are unintuitive. |
| 06:09.30 | Bounty | Clicking a direction when you have more than just the option of straight is unintuitive ? |
| 06:10.46 | JademusSreg | Interface consistency versus special cases (like QTEs). |
| 06:11.27 | JademusSreg | I think the TPS vs RTS idea is interesting, though. |
| 06:11.42 | Bounty | Anymore questions or should I continue? |
| 06:11.46 | JademusSreg | Continue. |
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| 06:13.41 | Bounty | After the (Living) Assassins have gathered all objectives and have put on their disguises they will be escorted to the Castle by the guards (There are many more than just the players). Once they reach the inside of the castle their job is to kill the King without drawing any attention to themselves. It is also important to note that once the Castle phase has begun the Assassins may now kill the guards due to lack of witnesses. |
| 06:14.14 | Bounty | It is also important to note that the Guards posses an interrogation ability from the start in which they can question any NPC in the game |
| 06:14.30 | Bounty | These conversations would be handled via a conversation wheel similar to mass effect |
| 06:14.55 | Bounty | So the NPC's can have a personality of their own without obviously being noticed as NPC's |
| 06:14.59 | Bounty | and thats all I have so far |
| 06:15.37 | JademusSreg | Sounds a bit clumsy, but the premise is solid. |
| 06:15.38 | Bounty | and yes, this entire game concept was inspired by a song |
| 06:15.42 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:15.42 | Bounty | like all the others |
| 06:15.44 | Bounty | >.< |
| 06:19.06 | Bounty | I take it that is all you have to say of the concept in its current state? If I may ask, what do you consider clumsy about it JademusSreg? |
| 06:21.47 | JademusSreg | The path-fork thing. |
| 06:21.55 | Bounty | What is wrong with it? |
| 06:22.25 | Bounty | You always walk in the direction of your path a fork presents itself in the distance and you may change your path |
| 06:22.36 | Bounty | If you do nothing, you continue straight |
| 06:23.18 | Bounty | This will make the players completely indistinguishable from the NPC civilians for WASD movement purposes |
| 06:25.01 | JademusSreg | Besides the issue of interface consistency, sounds like it would be boring. Imagine it would be better to simply allow the assassin to move as they please, perhaps include an "Act casual" command to move more like an NPC for when the player is concerned about being noticed. |
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| 06:25.41 | Bounty | Yeah that works for games like Assassins Creed |
| 06:25.50 | Bounty | but in this game you need to communicate with your team |
| 06:26.13 | Bounty | I mean I see how it could be boring |
| 06:26.17 | Bounty | but look at Mafia lol |
| 06:26.39 | Bounty | Most people on the Arcade do not enjoy having to control their characters |
| 06:26.42 | Bounty | for some reason? |
| 06:27.43 | Bounty | So what you're suggesting is WASD movement in combination with the ability to slip into the scripted path |
| 06:27.47 | Bounty | yes? |
| 06:27.50 | JademusSreg | I disagree. Mafia is at least consistently menu-like in its interface. |
| 06:28.11 | Bounty | Not saying I disgaree btw, I have thought about this before |
| 06:28.15 | Bounty | disagree* |
| 06:28.25 | Bounty | Its just a matter of what would THEY prefer |
| 06:30.02 | JademusSreg | And something like that, yes; so long as the player is in control, and can choose to blend in when needed, it can work. |
| 06:30.40 | Bounty | Am I missing something because that seemed to be your only complaint? lol |
| 06:30.43 | Bounty | Which is rare |
| 06:31.14 | JademusSreg | I imagine I'll have more once I see the prototype. =D |
| 06:31.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:31.24 | Bounty | Looking for a composer ATM |
| 06:31.37 | Bounty | To translate the song that inspired the concept to something I can legally use |
| 06:32.11 | Bounty | I would like to begin work on this before my contract at NCU expires so I can get a heads up on things |
| 06:32.20 | Bounty | We will see though |
| 06:32.41 | Bounty | Hopefully this happens though, you of all people know I have wanted to make a concept like this for awhile lol |
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| 06:32.51 | Bounty | a real deception game |
| 06:32.55 | Bounty | with real interaction |
| 06:33.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:33.33 | Bounty | I think you and I have gone over concepts like this for the last 2 years? |
| 06:33.37 | Bounty | my god |
| 06:33.50 | Bounty | I will say that this is the first one I think can work |
| 06:33.59 | Bounty | Based on concept alone |
| 06:34.16 | Bounty | The others were meh, one had really good terrain though |
| 06:34.21 | Bounty | Mole Hunt |
| 06:35.47 | Bounty | I'm hesitant to ask JademusSreg, but would you be interested in recomposing a song so that I may use it legally? :) |
| 06:35.59 | Bounty | I have someone else working on it but just to be safe |
| 06:36.12 | Bounty | 2 is definitely better than one lol |
| 06:36.18 | JademusSreg | If necessary, I imagine I could take a few months to do it. |
| 06:36.29 | Bounty | Then forget it haha |
| 06:37.08 | Bounty | From what my first taker told me, it should be a simple song to recreate since it has a single hook and repeats it |
| 06:37.10 | Bounty | No idea what he meant |
| 06:37.12 | Bounty | but yeah |
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| 06:43.31 | Bounty | So were you being serious or sarcastic JademusSreg? |
| 06:43.42 | Bounty | In that it would take you a few months |
| 06:44.06 | JademusSreg | Semi-sincere. |
| 06:44.25 | Bounty | If it involves a paycheck, would that speed things up at all? |
| 06:44.53 | JademusSreg | Yes, but I'd sooner employ my other skills, |
| 06:45.01 | Bounty | Fair enough |
| 06:45.04 | DeadZergling | I have a contact that would compose something original for a paycheck fairly quickly |
| 06:45.19 | Bounty | How much for a single track? |
| 06:45.31 | Bounty | If it is worthy of my standards |
| 06:45.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:45.39 | DeadZergling | Not sure, you'd have to discuss it with him, would you like his page? |
| 06:45.46 | DeadZergling | can listen to some shit he made |
| 06:45.50 | Bounty | Sure |
| 06:46.06 | DeadZergling | https://soundcloud.com/davidlevymusic |
| 06:46.09 | Bounty | the song I need recomposed is pretty basic in terms of its melody |
| 06:46.33 | DeadZergling | he is going to make me something in a month or two, since I'm a cheapskate I'm in the back of the line |
| 06:46.44 | DeadZergling | but he made it clear that if I could pay, he would make it a much bigger priority |
| 06:46.55 | Bounty | How much are you paying him? |
| 06:47.01 | DeadZergling | 0$ |
| 06:47.16 | DeadZergling | like I said, since I'm a cheapskate |
| 06:47.30 | Bounty | Do you think offering him a % of a total revenue he would he interested? |
| 06:47.38 | Bounty | or increase its speed lol |
| 06:47.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:47.54 | DeadZergling | no idea, can tell him Paul/Deadzergling referred you though |
| 06:47.55 | Bounty | What? |
| 06:47.58 | DeadZergling | I'm sure he would appreciate the business |
| 06:48.09 | DeadZergling | I imagine any sane person would prefer a flat rate |
| 06:48.10 | Bounty | SCU and fucking NOTD met their kickstarter goals |
| 06:48.17 | Bounty | I offer something much greater |
| 06:48.33 | Bounty | and Blizzard wants to promote it |
| 06:48.34 | JademusSreg | All the monies/. |
| 06:49.10 | Bounty | If the cost of feeding the kids and rent was non existent I would do it for the love |
| 06:49.31 | Bounty | but if I can do both while doing something I enjoy doing, why not try? :) |
| 06:50.05 | Bounty | Added him to my Bookmarks DeadZergling |
| 06:50.09 | Bounty | he has decent tunes |
| 06:50.40 | Bounty | Nothing I would use but it sounds like he has enough talent to recompose something I want |
| 06:51.01 | Bounty | btw |
| 06:51.24 | Bounty | Do you really think I want to do this just for the "monies" JademusSreg? |
| 06:51.40 | Bounty | I did it for free for the last 3 years >.< |
| 06:51.44 | DeadZergling | Sigh, why must you perpetually have a conversation you know the results of |
| 06:51.44 | JademusSreg | Jocular response to "I offer something much greater". |
| 06:52.20 | Bounty | wait what? What are you talking about DeadZergling |
| 06:52.44 | DeadZergling | this is a conversation you've started with people who disagree with you many, many, many times |
| 06:52.50 | DeadZergling | it always ends the same way |
| 06:52.52 | Bounty | I know |
| 06:52.55 | Bounty | This is different |
| 06:52.58 | Bounty | its with JademusSreg |
| 06:53.03 | Bounty | we do this all the time |
| 06:53.05 | Bounty | its fine |
| 06:53.35 | Bounty | He enjoys what comes out of my mouth just as much as I enjoy what comes out his :) |
| 06:53.50 | JademusSreg | That's suggestive. |
| 06:53.58 | Bounty | Nigga |
| 06:54.05 | Bounty | Da fuck you just say? |
| 06:54.13 | Bounty | What does suggestive mean? |
| 06:54.25 | Bounty | *google* |
| 06:54.41 | Bounty | Alright, I still don't understand what you mean by that |
| 06:54.54 | JademusSreg | Sexually suggestive. |
| 06:55.00 | Bounty | aw shit |
| 06:55.11 | Bounty | What is that old saying? |
| 06:55.20 | Bounty | Bow chica wow wow? |
| 06:55.26 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 06:55.34 | Bounty | But seriously |
| 06:55.41 | Bounty | What did you mean |
| 06:55.54 | DeadZergling | Not sure what it is, but talking like that sounds like jizzing in the mouths of men. |
| 06:56.01 | Bounty | when you said "Jocular response to "I offer something much greater." |
| 06:56.04 | JademusSreg | Bingo. |
| 06:56.08 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 06:56.27 | Bounty | I have to be honest |
| 06:56.36 | JademusSreg | I meant "I offer something much greater: all the monies". |
| 06:56.52 | Bounty | I am most likely wrong but at first glance I thought you were quoting someone named Jocular. |
| 06:57.41 | Bounty | Yeah but, I still don't understand why you said that. |
| 06:58.09 | Bounty | All I can assume without your explanation is that all I care about is money, yes? |
| 06:58.10 | JademusSreg | An amusing addition to an ambiguous statement. |
| 06:58.16 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 06:58.52 | Bounty | Look bro, we talked about this. No words above 3 syllables |
| 06:59.43 | Bounty | What was it that I said that was ambiguous? |
| 07:01.15 | JademusSreg | "I offer something much greater." |
| 07:02.50 | G0A | yay nearby supernova! http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/M82-SN-panel-Guido-580x234.jpg |
| 07:03.49 | kingTD | why other 3 stars brighter? :s |
| 07:05.49 | G0A | what kind of question is that |
| 07:06.05 | G0A | you mean brighter then on the other picture? |
| 07:13.07 | G0A | hehe amateurs caught it before professionals and they didnt realize it, even as one of it talks about its not supernova producing galaxy, lol :) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePOrciuULH0&feature=share&t=21m45s |
| 07:14.17 | G0A | Life time discovery gone:D |
| 07:14.54 | JademusSreg | http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/01/astronomers-rush-to-study-new-nearby-supernova/ |
| 07:15.27 | Bounty | I still don't understand what the fudge you mean by that JademusSreg lol |
| 07:15.39 | Bounty | o0o |
| 07:15.47 | Bounty | nearby supernova eh? :) |
| 07:16.21 | JademusSreg | I frequently jest, especially incomplete or ambiguous statements? Figured that would be well observed. |
| 07:16.22 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:17.29 | G0A | Bounty the last closer supernova was in 1993 |
| 07:17.43 | Bounty | That was the big one right> |
| 07:17.44 | G0A | we have kinda better telescopes since then:) |
| 07:18.00 | Bounty | I remember there as a huge supernova that NASA picked up |
| 07:18.07 | Bounty | was quite a distance away though |
| 07:20.04 | G0A | well that the last known supernova that we know happened in our galaxy was in 1604 .) |
| 07:21.14 | G0A | our sister galaxy Andromeda is 2.5 million light year away and this supernova is 12 million light year away |
| 07:22.50 | Bounty | I am positive there way another that was discovered recently |
| 07:22.54 | Bounty | 100% |
| 07:23.54 | G0A | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_supernova_observation#2000_to_present |
| 07:24.14 | G0A | wiki already updated with the current one, lol |
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| 07:25.11 | Bounty | On May 21, 2008, astronomers announced that they had for the first time caught a supernova on camera just as it was exploding. By chance, a burst of X-rays was noticed while looking at galaxy NGC 2770, 88 million light-years from Earth, and a variety of telescopes were aimed in that direction just in time to capture what has been named SN 2008D. "This eventually confirmed that the big X-ray blast marked the birth of a supernova," |
| 07:25.18 | Bounty | I think that is what i was referring to |
| 07:30.03 | Zolden | and what's the topic of the discussion? |
| 07:30.13 | Zolden | aliens? |
| 07:30.35 | Zolden | possibility of destroying life on earth by a near supernova explosion? |
| 07:31.28 | DeadZergling | I think the Nova might cause the Horse Hitler Space ship to change course and come and rape all the kittens |
| 07:31.36 | DeadZergling | sounds like a Zolden enough thing to happen. |
| 07:32.07 | Zolden | oh no! not the kittens! |
| 07:32.42 | Bounty | Aliens built the Pyramids |
| 07:32.44 | Bounty | is the topic |
| 07:32.48 | Zolden | lol |
| 07:32.49 | Bounty | discuss |
| 07:32.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:33.19 | DeadZergling | Don't be silly, it was so obviously the Nephilim who did that |
| 07:33.37 | G0A | It was Hitler time traveling |
| 07:34.40 | Zolden | I heard that there was a civilization before the ice age that ended 12k years ago, and that civilization may have done lots of things, including pyramids, and egiptians happen to copy the initial pyramids, their pyramids suck |
| 07:35.08 | Bounty | I agree somewhat agree with that Zolden |
| 07:35.21 | G0A | This would be a good series: At the end of the world war 2 before capturing Berlin Hitler manages to time travel and the allied forces are still trying to capture him since then. |
| 07:35.25 | Bounty | I think that human civilizations have been around much longer than people tellu s |
| 07:35.28 | Bounty | tell us* |
| 07:35.36 | Bounty | it seems to end at like 5-6k years ago |
| 07:35.41 | DeadZergling | I don't think you used the word agree enough in your agreement sentence Bounty, don't you agree? |
| 07:35.57 | Bounty | I concur |
| 07:36.07 | Zolden | I angree |
| 07:36.08 | Bounty | which is to say |
| 07:36.15 | Bounty | I agree nigga |
| 07:36.19 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:36.26 | DeadZergling | no, Sherman says you gotta say Thug now |
| 07:36.44 | G0A | yeah lizard aliens destroyed us 6k years ago because we were nasty. (thats why Bible says that we exists only since 5k years) |
| 07:36.59 | Bounty | who you callin thug boy? |
| 07:37.18 | Bounty | I will whoop yo purple ass son |
| 07:37.19 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:37.19 | DeadZergling | Joo, got a problem w/ dat Holmes? |
| 07:37.23 | Bounty | double >.< |
| 07:37.26 | Bounty | triple! |
| 07:37.40 | Bounty | Alright, now you're insulting this country |
| 07:37.47 | Bounty | Speaking mexicahn n shit |
| 07:37.53 | DeadZergling | Only a small part of it |
| 07:37.59 | DeadZergling | Where all the garbage goes |
| 07:38.26 | Bounty | all the garbage goes to my state and a few of the southern states |
| 07:38.30 | Bounty | foo |
| 07:38.49 | DeadZergling | now you are insulting yourself |
| 07:38.50 | G0A | you are insulting a whole country? you must be powerful |
| 07:38.52 | DeadZergling | I never said where |
| 07:39.10 | Bounty | oh shit |
| 07:39.17 | Bounty | don't say that G0A please |
| 07:39.28 | Bounty | don't get this whack ass foo started |
| 07:39.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:39.46 | Bounty | I'll drop bows |
| 07:39.53 | G0A | what |
| 07:39.59 | Bounty | Drop bows |
| 07:40.03 | Bounty | Like |
| 07:40.04 | G0A | war must be! Its the nature of humans! |
| 07:40.12 | Bounty | Drop my elbow onto you from the top rope |
| 07:40.15 | Bounty | = |
| 07:40.17 | Bounty | Drop Bows |
| 07:40.26 | Bounty | You speak engrish foo? |
| 07:40.28 | DeadZergling | go ahead bro |
| 07:40.39 | DeadZergling | I'll wait for you to construct a wrestling ring |
| 07:41.37 | DeadZergling | so you can all drop bows or whatever it is |
| 07:42.26 | DeadZergling | *is thinking Bounty forgot he was even talking about already* |
| 07:42.42 | Bounty | sec |
| 07:42.49 | Bounty | looking in my Jerseyictionary |
| 07:43.05 | Bounty | ok, I got it |
| 07:43.12 | Bounty | You feeling froggy? |
| 07:43.24 | Bounty | Then let someone lick you so they can get high |
| 07:43.29 | Bounty | and leap |
| 07:43.40 | DeadZergling | Only if it is you |
| 07:43.49 | DeadZergling | I got special places with lots of special frog juices |
| 07:44.16 | DeadZergling | Take that mental imagery and cherish it :) |
| 07:45.21 | Bounty | I got some frog juice fer ya |
| 07:45.26 | Bounty | ask your mom for some |
| 07:45.33 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:45.39 | DeadZergling | why would I ask her, you said you had it |
| 07:45.41 | DeadZergling | did you forget? |
| 07:45.50 | Bounty | *scrolls up* |
| 07:46.06 | Bounty | Nope, never said I had any |
| 07:46.14 | Bounty | I was being funny brah |
| 07:46.17 | DeadZergling | <Bounty> I got some frog juice fer ya |
| 07:46.23 | DeadZergling | That is clearly saying you have some |
| 07:46.42 | Bounty | They were part of the same statement |
| 07:46.46 | Bounty | LOOK DUDEBRO |
| 07:47.02 | Bounty | WE DONT USE PUNCTUATION ON THE NETDUDe |
| 07:47.02 | DeadZergling | So, my mom is your pimp? |
| 07:47.06 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:47.16 | Bounty | no |
| 07:47.19 | DeadZergling | I have to ask her permission to get frog juice from you? |
| 07:47.52 | Bounty | yer mom is the recipient of the anal juice that I distributed into a frog |
| 07:48.24 | Bounty | You need only ask for permission from thy frog |
| 07:48.26 | DeadZergling | so she owns a frog, and you somehow squeezed out anal juice and put it into a frog? |
| 07:48.35 | Bounty | Indeed |
| 07:48.46 | Bounty | Tis a very simple process |
| 07:48.54 | DeadZergling | Uh yea, okay, you have insulted yourself far worse than I ever could have there. |
| 07:48.58 | DeadZergling | Good job? |
| 07:49.48 | DeadZergling | been drinking pretty hard haven't you Bounty |
| 07:50.25 | Bounty | How have I insulted myself? |
| 07:50.58 | DeadZergling | You just explained to the whole channel how you squeeze out your own excrement, and stuff it into frogs. |
| 07:51.10 | Bounty | I politely placed some of my anal juice on the land and a frog had dined upon it. I read legends of this story and tracked it to your mom |
| 07:51.12 | DeadZergling | Presumably using your hands |
| 07:51.16 | JademusSreg | Clever hiding place. |
| 07:51.50 | DeadZergling | Nope, too late Bounty. |
| 07:51.57 | Bounty | Legend says. she smelled it from 17 miles away and tracked it |
| 07:52.04 | DeadZergling | You shall be known as Brown Finger, stuffer of frogs. |
| 07:52.33 | Bounty | Your mom shall be known as Anal Foot, tracker of Juice |
| 07:53.15 | DeadZergling | Don't do well with being wrong do you Bounty? |
| 07:54.29 | Bounty | I don't see how either of us are right or wrong in this conversation |
| 07:54.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:54.58 | Bounty | I've admitted to being wrong to JademusSreg more than once if that helps |
| 07:59.16 | DeadZergling | Anyways new topic time, heard enough about your frog fisting. |
| 08:00.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:00.48 | Bounty | fair enough, whats up? |
| 08:01.14 | DeadZergling | oh, been experimenting with a mountain area as one of my new areas for my project |
| 08:01.26 | DeadZergling | elevation goes up about 7-8 times |
| 08:02.12 | DeadZergling | vision doesn't get occluded as usual, but can make the projectiles die if they go more than 1 Z unit up |
| 08:02.35 | Bounty | I did that like 2 years ago |
| 08:02.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:02.46 | Bounty | no trying to be a dick |
| 08:02.53 | Bounty | but you've shared better =P |
| 08:03.01 | Bounty | how are the heroes coming a long? |
| 08:03.13 | DeadZergling | done for the most part, might have to weork them though |
| 08:03.24 | DeadZergling | *re-work them, rather |
| 08:03.49 | Bounty | any new cool abilities? |
| 08:03.55 | DeadZergling | I haven't seen any good use of heights like this in any map, so I discard what you say pretty easily |
| 08:04.07 | Bounty | Last we spoke you were talking mostly about the bottle throw |
| 08:04.29 | DeadZergling | yea, that can very rarely glitch out, but it isn't game breaking |
| 08:04.48 | DeadZergling | I just wanted it to be rather good, considering 9 abilities involve a bottle |
| 08:06.51 | DeadZergling | that one is really old news now though |
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| 08:12.03 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, models certainly look like ass in the cutscene editor |
| 08:12.12 | DeadZergling | guess it is time to do the silly patch |
| 08:12.19 | Bounty | So, Ryan invited me to SCU yesterday |
| 08:12.37 | Bounty | Pisses me off so much DeadZergling |
| 08:12.44 | Bounty | I though you might find this interesting |
| 08:12.48 | Bounty | the game is so amazing visually |
| 08:12.51 | Bounty | yes? |
| 08:13.00 | DeadZergling | and it's value ends there |
| 08:13.04 | DeadZergling | *its |
| 08:13.05 | Bounty | ok |
| 08:13.08 | Bounty | exactly |
| 08:13.14 | Bounty | Lets discuss this |
| 08:13.20 | Bounty | I've said this to Ryan many times |
| 08:13.34 | Bounty | do NOT go with an MMO combat system |
| 08:13.41 | Bounty | Its not an MMO so you are not limited to that |
| 08:13.46 | Bounty | You can do so much more |
| 08:13.56 | Bounty | but its just WoW with blue UI and SC models... |
| 08:14.01 | Bounty | REALLY makes me mad |
| 08:14.05 | Bounty | right? |
| 08:14.07 | kingTD | for me the whole map looks bad.. UI, colors, etc |
| 08:14.07 | DeadZergling | correction |
| 08:14.22 | DeadZergling | it is WoW with blue UI, SC models, AND piss poor controls |
| 08:14.42 | Bounty | the controls are much more responsive |
| 08:14.51 | Bounty | from my previous interactions with it |
| 08:15.03 | DeadZergling | they improved those huh? They were a big pile of ASS when I played it. |
| 08:15.09 | Bounty | although they use + and - for zoom in and zoom out |
| 08:15.18 | Bounty | not as good as my most recent WAS system |
| 08:15.31 | Bounty | which Blizzard emailed me 2 days ago about |
| 08:15.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:15.43 | DeadZergling | should share that on mapster |
| 08:15.46 | Bounty | I tried to explain how I did it to them and I hope they understould |
| 08:15.49 | Bounty | I did |
| 08:15.56 | Bounty | everyone said I was full of shit |
| 08:15.58 | Bounty | as usual |
| 08:16.07 | Bounty | since I'm not a programmer |
| 08:16.14 | Bounty | da fuck do I know, right? :) |
| 08:16.21 | DeadZergling | where, I want to look at it sometime |
| 08:16.28 | DeadZergling | save me a lot of time throwing some simple maps together |
| 08:16.34 | Bounty | i posted it here |
| 08:16.39 | Bounty | in this IRC |
| 08:16.42 | Bounty | about 3-5 times |
| 08:16.56 | Bounty | and all anyone seemed to do was question it |
| 08:17.07 | Bounty | yet I have Blizzard asking me why they get such little delay in my games |
| 08:17.15 | DeadZergling | what is a 4th or 6th time then |
| 08:17.18 | DeadZergling | I didn't see it, lol |
| 08:17.19 | Bounty | god figure right |
| 08:17.23 | Bounty | go* |
| 08:17.25 | Bounty | give me a sec |
| 08:17.32 | Bounty | I'll post it for a 6th time lol |
| 08:17.43 | Bounty | let me finish up this discussion |
| 08:17.50 | Bounty | in another chat |
| 08:17.50 | DeadZergling | I can enjoy good programming, but I'm much bigger on shit working |
| 08:17.52 | Bounty | 1 sec |
| 08:17.53 | DeadZergling | then looking pretty |
| 08:17.58 | Bounty | same |
| 08:18.02 | Bounty | I'm not a programmer |
| 08:18.08 | Bounty | ask JademusSreg |
| 08:18.22 | Bounty | even he has the "WTF" face when it comes to me |
| 08:18.24 | Bounty | :) |
| 08:18.28 | DeadZergling | according to JademusSreg, Bill Gates isn't a programmer either. |
| 08:19.22 | JademusSreg | Quote not attributable to me. |
| 08:20.13 | DeadZergling | Jade's favorite math question: X + 2 = 5, Complicate this expression! |
| 08:20.54 | JademusSreg | Haha, comical exaggeration. |
| 08:21.12 | DeadZergling | granted, I'd love that Math question too |
| 08:21.19 | DeadZergling | I am great at complicating simple things .... |
| 08:22.36 | JademusSreg | Though I don't actually complicate things, so much as provide various possible solutions, often in technically precise termsw. |
| 08:23.19 | DeadZergling | replace "technically precise termsw" with jargon, and I agree with that statement |
| 08:24.00 | JademusSreg | https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ajargon |
| 08:24.02 | JademusSreg | So yes. |
| 08:25.09 | DeadZergling | Ping me when you able Bounty, I definitely want to see that. |
| 08:27.13 | G0A | hmm undocumented 2.1 stuff: they added new field in unit type property function, starting life or shield amount. (totally useless thing though, you can get that by catalogs...) |
| 08:28.35 | DeadZergling | Uh, I didn't think that was new G0A |
| 08:28.45 | G0A | I think its new |
| 08:28.48 | DeadZergling | I've set starting life a lot of times |
| 08:28.59 | G0A | and there other new stuff there as it seems |
| 08:29.19 | JademusSreg | What are the int values for those properties? |
| 08:29.29 | DeadZergling | you talking about Life Starting Amount, Shield Starting Amount? |
| 08:29.31 | G0A | DeadZergling you cant set starting life, you can only get it... |
| 08:29.41 | G0A | or you have to use catalog for that |
| 08:29.52 | G0A | yes |
| 08:30.19 | G0A | I am not sure that vitality and turn rate was there too |
| 08:30.26 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, you must be talking about triggers then? |
| 08:30.42 | G0A | armor too |
| 08:30.51 | G0A | triggers ofcourse.D |
| 08:31.20 | DeadZergling | that's good, a lot more noob friendly |
| 08:31.21 | JademusSreg | http://hastebin.com/petimokuxu.cs |
| 08:31.28 | DeadZergling | Not everyone wants to jump into catalogs.... |
| 08:32.11 | G0A | that was fast Jade |
| 08:32.41 | G0A | armors still ready only:( |
| 08:36.10 | G0A | I wonder what is const int c_unitPropResources exactly |
| 08:36.33 | JademusSreg | Mineral field, Vespene Geyser, et cetera |
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| 08:38.22 | Ahli | I installed bitdefender, my computer crashed and now my taskmanager is fine again :X wtf |
| 08:38.47 | JademusSreg | You still use Task manager? |
| 08:39.00 | G0A | JademusSreg but you set resource amount in the behavior, you can only set type and state in the unit |
| 08:39.26 | JademusSreg | And? |
| 08:42.48 | Bounty | me? |
| 08:43.04 | DeadZergling | yea, been waiting to see your WASD |
| 08:43.09 | Bounty | sorry |
| 08:43.17 | Ahli | just crack his maps |
| 08:43.28 | DeadZergling | I don't do that sort of thing |
| 08:43.28 | Bounty | was discussing whether or not I am crazy with someone |
| 08:43.32 | Bounty | thankfully I am not |
| 08:43.33 | Bounty | rofl |
| 08:43.35 | Bounty | anyways |
| 08:44.04 | Bounty | I apologize Deadzergling but after such a discussion I am in need of a cig |
| 08:44.10 | Bounty | is that ok with you? |
| 08:44.26 | Bounty | I promise I will tell you everything in within 5 minutes |
| 08:44.33 | DeadZergling | yea that's fine, I just want to make sure I get to see it :) |
| 08:45.00 | Bounty | No problem bro, I will explain it the best way you can undersatand |
| 08:45.00 | JademusSreg | Ahli, just to crack what maps? |
| 08:45.05 | Bounty | understand* |
| 08:45.12 | Bounty | brb |
| 08:46.20 | Ahli | bounty's maps to learn how he made the WASD and camera stuff in case you won't understand his explanations :D |
| 08:51.19 | Ahli | brb in 2-3 hours, jade, don't forget to tell me stuff within the next 6 hours, if possible, so I can print it early enough. |
| 08:51.45 | JademusSreg | Stuff I mentioned earlier was it. =D |
| 08:52.54 | Bounty | Back |
| 08:53.01 | Bounty | Still here DeadZergling? |
| 08:53.04 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 08:53.36 | Bounty | May I present a short speech for the history books before I post this for the 6th time? :) |
| 08:53.50 | Bounty | :) |
| 08:54.36 | Bounty | Possibly 5th. |
| 08:54.50 | DeadZergling | lol, is your call man |
| 08:55.12 | Bounty | np, I'm sure this will be recorded in the history books by JademusSreg so why not |
| 08:55.22 | Bounty | This is all I have to say to anyone who reads this |
| 08:59.49 | DeadZergling | Half expecting the speech to be, this has been a troll, hope you enjoyed. |
| 09:05.17 | Bounty | proof reading |
| 09:05.32 | Bounty | not sure it is worth posting since it will never be seen |
| 09:05.33 | Bounty | lolo |
| 09:06.43 | Bounty | Ok, looks goods |
| 09:06.43 | DeadZergling | Just curious if you trolling or not Bounty, is no biggy if you are, just thought it'd be nice to not re-invent the wheel |
| 09:06.51 | Bounty | I wil post it and smoke another cig |
| 09:06.58 | Bounty | than I will give you the system I used |
| 09:07.08 | Bounty | not trolling |
| 09:07.13 | Bounty | 100% for real |
| 09:07.17 | Bounty | for once |
| 09:07.26 | Bounty | Here is my message to anyone who may read this |
| 09:07.28 | Bounty | I have learned over the last 3 years that we should compete with each other on ONLY creativity and not a technical level. I think that any technical information should be provided to the public. The only reason to not do so is the fear of providing a challenger with a level playing field. If you are so great you will spread this helpful information, otherwise you are a coward to challengers of your own genre. |
| 09:07.33 | Bounty | brb |
| 09:11.37 | G0A | how do I change booleans with catalogs? (like flags) |
| 09:11.46 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/merleblancdb/67738234/510024/510024_original.jpg |
| 09:11.49 | G0A | Just say true? |
| 09:11.53 | DeadZergling | or false |
| 09:11.56 | DeadZergling | I'd imagine |
| 09:12.10 | G0A | hmm there is actually convert boolean into string lol:D |
| 09:12.13 | DeadZergling | Never needed to do such a thing, so can't say |
| 09:12.36 | DeadZergling | only guess that it will want True or False, probably important to note if they want it capped or not |
| 09:13.20 | Bounty | ok nsvl |
| 09:13.26 | Bounty | er |
| 09:13.28 | Bounty | back* |
| 09:13.29 | Bounty | ready? |
| 09:13.43 | DeadZergling | aye, just been forcing myself to actually work on my third boss in the meantime |
| 09:14.09 | Bounty | Basically I made it so all units are set to variables in the map initialization and they are NEVER killed during game play. What you see when a player dies in Photon Synergy is a simulated death but the actual unit never dies. That in combination with having threaded loops in action definitions that checks for booleans which are set via keypress for each player. |
| 09:14.10 | Bounty | I am going to copy paste it from an email so if you have any questions feel free. |
| 09:14.38 | DeadZergling | cool, I utilize simulated deaths too |
| 09:14.49 | Bounty | Yeah, it helps a lot |
| 09:14.58 | Bounty | and I do mean A LOT |
| 09:15.08 | Bounty | I am not sure why, but it does. |
| 09:15.21 | DeadZergling | editor always been full of mysteries |
| 09:15.34 | Bounty | Indeed |
| 09:15.37 | DeadZergling | remember the old turbo trigger trick for brood war? |
| 09:16.06 | Bounty | I only played UMS, so no lol |
| 09:16.16 | DeadZergling | it was for UMS |
| 09:16.35 | DeadZergling | basically, you had a trigger that always ran, with a ton of waits in it for 0 seconds |
| 09:16.45 | DeadZergling | and it made the map check triggers much faster |
| 09:17.11 | Bounty | Isn't that how we do it now? |
| 09:17.24 | DeadZergling | lol, no |
| 09:17.46 | DeadZergling | at least, it certainly isn't something I practice |
| 09:18.34 | Bounty | btw did you understand my system? |
| 09:18.45 | Bounty | + you like mah speech?: |
| 09:18.58 | DeadZergling | I understand the idea, I still wouldn't mind seeing a demo map, but that is up to you |
| 09:19.01 | Bounty | It shall echo through eternity (aka the last 10 minutes) |
| 09:19.03 | DeadZergling | I do understand the concept |
| 09:19.19 | Bounty | You don't need a demo map... |
| 09:19.21 | Bounty | that is the exact system I use |
| 09:19.35 | Bounty | for my most recent WASD games |
| 09:20.03 | DeadZergling | I do something similar with booleans for my camera zoomer thing |
| 09:20.16 | DeadZergling | I just haven't goofed around with WASD yet, haven't needed it, if that makes any sense |
| 09:21.01 | DeadZergling | the main thing that confuses me is, is A and D supposed to be strafe, or turn? |
| 09:22.21 | G0A | fuck, cant change resource behavior with catalogs |
| 09:22.46 | kingTD | hmmm https://www.facebook.com/ageofempires/posts/561099933927417 |
| 09:24.15 | DeadZergling | guess the answer to that would be, depends what kind of game |
| 09:24.15 | Bounty | That depends on your camera DeadZergling |
| 09:24.26 | DeadZergling | binding of isaac, strafe would be ideal |
| 09:24.40 | Bounty | If your character always faces the camera, then it would be strafe etc |
| 09:24.55 | DeadZergling | FPS, not so ideal for aiming, but an ALT to strafe option would be good |
| 09:26.05 | DeadZergling | Okay, understand the multithreading thing, do you do checks every .0625 seconds, or faster? |
| 09:26.44 | Bounty | I typically use 0 |
| 09:26.53 | DeadZergling | that is my last question |
| 09:27.05 | Bounty | Just so it defaults to whatever it deems fastest |
| 09:27.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:27.18 | Bounty | Just use 0 |
| 09:27.21 | DeadZergling | Interesting, no delay at all, which should default to .0625 |
| 09:27.31 | Bounty | Probably does |
| 09:27.37 | DeadZergling | Okay, that's good, gonna send myself an email with all that |
| 09:27.51 | Bounty | I would still use 0 for the hell of it |
| 09:27.54 | Bounty | I always use 0 |
| 09:28.01 | DeadZergling | I tend to take information in, understand it well enough to put it in terms I understand, and write it down that way |
| 09:28.39 | Bounty | I can't explain what I do with cameras because it is either to complex or too simple to explain lol |
| 09:28.54 | Bounty | Most people will be able to figure it out |
| 09:29.26 | DeadZergling | that's all right, I don't want to try a FPS view |
| 09:29.28 | DeadZergling | so I'm good |
| 09:29.56 | Bounty | enjoy |
| 09:30.06 | DeadZergling | at least not yet |
| 09:30.24 | DeadZergling | be fun to make a SC2 Quake just for the fuck of it sometime |
| 09:30.35 | Bounty | Not so sure about that |
| 09:30.50 | DeadZergling | It'd be just like the old days, my ping was just BAD then |
| 09:30.51 | Bounty | I have faith in WASD movement but not in 3D shoting |
| 09:30.55 | Bounty | shooting* |
| 09:30.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:31.10 | DeadZergling | so the delays would be nostalgia filled for me |
| 09:31.17 | Bounty | BUt |
| 09:31.22 | Bounty | I have never tried 3D shooting |
| 09:31.27 | Bounty | could never figure it out on my own |
| 09:31.30 | Bounty | so I skipped it |
| 09:35.04 | DeadZergling | is just as well, I can't handle pseudo MMOs, I doubt pseudo FPS would be any better |
| 09:35.17 | DeadZergling | I'd just be, why isn't this working the way it is supposed, this is crap, I'm out! |
| 09:36.53 | DeadZergling | mailed myself anywho so I don't forget |
| 09:38.30 | DeadZergling | Thx for sharing Bounty, knew you probably had down as well as anyone possibly could by now. |
| 09:38.36 | DeadZergling | *had that down |
| 09:38.49 | Bounty | No problem |
| 09:39.15 | Bounty | Hope you actually make use of it, nobody else has for some reason. |
| 09:39.58 | DeadZergling | I know I will, I just have to force myself to do what I said I would on my project first |
| 09:40.15 | DeadZergling | I won't be happy with myself in any way if I ditch it before that. |
| 09:41.42 | Bounty | Understandable, go with your gut :) |
| 09:42.10 | DeadZergling | by the way, an older picture of my mountain area: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/52e0e3d8ef3e5.jpg |
| 09:42.29 | DeadZergling | It isn't about to redefine anything, but it is a very deceptive look for what amounts to a maze, lol |
| 09:46.17 | kingTD | ohhh, is that map that we played 10 or more people at the time where u have plain pictures for fire ice and other shit skill trees? and skyscrapers at the start locations? |
| 09:46.45 | DeadZergling | yea, that is one of the new Areas I been terraining |
| 09:47.04 | kingTD | right |
| 09:47.14 | DeadZergling | I wanted a casters paradise, so I decided on a big mountain area they can bomb people from up top |
| 09:47.20 | kingTD | yeah horrible map, ui, gameplay :/ |
| 09:48.25 | DeadZergling | UI part I agree with, is a work in progress |
| 09:48.32 | DeadZergling | hasn't been real high on the list |
| 09:49.58 | Bounty | Night all <3 |
| 09:51.12 | DeadZergling | trouble with map night is, most the people hate RPGs by default, lol |
| 09:52.35 | G0A | :) |
| 09:52.58 | kingTD | ur execution of it is horrible there is no way to not to hate |
| 09:53.07 | G0A | what I dont like that almost all rpgs is the same |
| 09:53.15 | kingTD | g0a rpg stuff is decent but really unbalanced |
| 09:53.29 | G0A | I dont have rpg |
| 09:53.39 | kingTD | its fucking rpg!!! |
| 09:53.45 | G0A | which map? |
| 09:54.12 | kingTD | heroes of entropyesss |
| 09:54.39 | G0A | wiki: A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines. |
| 09:54.50 | G0A | I wouldnt say that map is rpg |
| 09:55.25 | kingTD | action heroes strategy game - rpg |
| 09:55.49 | G0A | If I would add some kind of quest ystem then you could call it rpg |
| 09:56.37 | Zolden | rpg = rape pig |
| 09:56.45 | kingTD | it have its quest, farm levels, stats, and win arena runs |
| 09:57.05 | G0A | rpg = retards play gay |
| 09:57.09 | G0A | :) |
| 09:57.38 | kingTD | MnM retards play greedy |
| 10:01.37 | Zolden | kingTD you forgot to mention items, artifacts, potions |
| 10:02.21 | kingTD | mm? |
| 10:02.40 | kingTD | the goas rpg doesnt have those |
| 10:03.58 | Zolden | no itemas - no fun |
| 10:08.00 | DeadZergling | well, no items typically means, no hours of camping for items |
| 10:08.21 | DeadZergling | but the RPG lot are masochists, so they typically want these sorts of things |
| 10:16.20 | kingTD | rofl |
| 11:02.10 | Zolden | validator -> vital -> "delta" parameter means: max - current? |
| 11:17.24 | Zolden | archonbeamsuper.m3 - is it a new model? |
| 11:17.31 | Zolden | or i just haven't noticed it earlier? |
| 11:19.01 | Zolden | also soulhunterbeam2.m3 and soulhunterbeam3.m3 |
| 11:21.56 | Zolden | and warpraybeam.m3 |
| 11:21.59 | Zolden | are they new? |
| 11:22.05 | kingTD | last 3 not |
| 11:22.09 | kingTD | first one not sure |
| 11:23.07 | Zolden | strange, why haven't I seen them earlier? |
| 11:23.24 | kingTD | since there are other 500 m3? |
| 11:24.11 | Zolden | but only few beams, and I've always lacked beam models, and don't remember those |
| 11:24.45 | Zolden | btw, made a beam model, that uses 8 different lightning textures (cahnging them every1/15 second) |
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| 11:53.07 | kingTD | lol http://i30.tinypic.com/33m3629.jpg |
| 11:53.54 | revengeance | exacts revengeance on Ahli. |
| 11:56.47 | Zolden | why they cover cunts |
| 11:57.06 | Ahli | ineffective armor? |
| 11:58.09 | kingTD | they as effective as male heroes wear them while the armor itself is fully covering body and even makes them look bigger |
| 11:59.47 | Zolden | the only armor they need is dildos in all holes working 24/7 |
| 12:09.50 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/merleblancdb/67738234/518749/518749_original.jpg |
| 12:13.53 | turtles1 | trying to set up an image in UI module |
| 12:14.38 | turtles1 | the image is of type "horizontal border" but that is not recognized when it tries to compile |
| 12:14.54 | turtles1 | other image types like border and normal work though |
| 12:16.08 | kingTD | good |
| 12:16.31 | turtles1 | anyone know what it "horizontal border" is called in the XML ? |
| 12:19.36 | kingTD | sc2mapster search |
| 12:20.19 | kingTD | jademussreg posted xml of UI text and strings recongnizable by those elements stuffs |
| 12:20.20 | Ahli | test ingame, use ctrl alt f12 to bring up ingame editor, look up stuff there |
| 12:28.11 | kingTD | ahli so unlocked UI stuff like Unit tab or Heroes panels to edit? |
| 12:28.21 | kingTD | more freely than before? |
| 12:28.46 | Ahli | what? |
| 12:28.55 | kingTD | jizzzz\ |
| 12:29.09 | kingTD | for editing |
| 12:29.48 | Ahli | what? |
| 12:30.12 | kingTD | or still required those work arounds like creating same Unit panels then show hide shit to destroy shit and then have other like Hero tab with special items appear for different tab like Units tab |
| 12:30.28 | Ahli | I guess |
| 12:30.56 | Ahli | but that's just for info panel crazyness... |
| 12:31.18 | Ahli | not sure which stuff you can do besides info panel information (except for life labels) |
| 12:31.35 | Ahli | minimap should work, too |
| 12:35.13 | kingTD | thinking of idea to make UI Console like in wc3 |
| 12:35.44 | kingTD | yeah not possible |
| 12:36.24 | Ahli | UI console like in wc3? |
| 12:37.04 | Ahli | move portrait to the left, put item container where portrait currently is? |
| 12:37.12 | kingTD | kinda shit thing is that there are no script that would use different UI layout depending on Screen ratio, switching layout if widescreen or not |
| 12:37.34 | kingTD | yeah moving protrait is cool |
| 12:37.55 | Ahli | yeah, well... you can make it dynamic with finding percentages to link to rather than fixed offsets |
| 12:38.17 | kingTD | but removing the wireframe image display and moving health bar or even mana underneath the portrait is a bit impossible |
| 12:38.41 | kingTD | yeah but still will be left those black empty spaces |
| 12:39.36 | Ahli | life labels are always below the wireframe, remember that |
| 12:40.15 | Ahli | so you would just make the wireframe visually disappear (height = 0 or hide it or both) |
| 13:02.32 | G0A | great, my extension mode doesnt show up on the lists, only does if I search for the name. (yeah I already played it on bnet...) |
| 13:04.01 | kingTD | heh skillful plays http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmESGFw9ZEc |
| 13:04.38 | kingTD | yesterday they hardly showed up anyways |
| 13:25.07 | G0A | guy with 1942 elo, hmmmm |
| 13:25.12 | G0A | and he plays alone |
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| 13:26.21 | G0A | I mean not with party |
| 13:27.40 | kingTD | hacks |
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| 13:27.55 | G0A | He said he doesnt, |
| 13:27.57 | G0A | so yeah |
| 13:28.29 | G0A | he plays currently normal builder though |
| 13:38.03 | G0A | he gained 0 elo from the game |
| 13:38.12 | G0A | *last game |
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| 14:35.45 | Dustin | I was hoping that they would of added a Get Game Date/Time function with the way they were talking in here last time. |
| 14:36.15 | G0A | I am asking for that since beta |
| 14:36.22 | Dustin | Yeah me too |
| 14:36.46 | Dustin | We were discussing it and he said it should be pretty easy to just add a snapshot of the current server time when the game starts and make that available |
| 14:36.52 | Dustin | probably just forgot about it :( |
| 14:41.58 | Dustin | Im going to make a Free-Cam spectator Extension mod |
| 14:42.40 | Dustin | If I can figure this extension shit out |
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| 14:47.28 | Dustin | Anyone know if you can check if a player is a Spectator? |
| 14:48.41 | Dustin | I found Player Controller check, but Spectator is makers [Obsolete] |
| 14:56.01 | Zandose | is that correct for finding out how many units i need to make a circle around a point? |
| 14:56.01 | Zandose | S = 2 * pi * R & n = S/d (d = unit's diameter / R = radius of the circle) |
| 14:56.01 | Zandose | S = 2 * 3.14 * 5 (distance of center of circle to end) & n = S/0.75(units size) |
| 14:56.05 | turtles1 | Small editor quirk question, when editing in the UI module if I save the file it shows the file as unsaved until I save a second time. So each time I want to save I have to save it twice for it to work. That happen to anyone else? |
| 14:58.45 | Zandose | never used ui editor. i just do it in triggers |
| 14:59.19 | Bommes | yeah I think that happens to me as well |
| 14:59.49 | Ahli | first one is compiling |
| 14:59.54 | Bommes | I usually just save in another module than the UI Editor |
| 14:59.56 | Bommes | to make sure |
| 15:00.06 | Bommes | oh, right |
| 15:03.17 | kingTD | turtles1 storngly suggesting u when closing UI editor or whole editor to save UI text changes in txt file somewhere else |
| 15:03.25 | kingTD | its really common problem |
| 15:03.35 | kingTD | and u can lose a lot of progress |
| 15:06.06 | turtles1 | ok, will do |
| 15:07.08 | turtles1 | I've had hours worth of progress lost before plenty of times, though not in UI module. But with terrain and triggers |
| 15:08.00 | turtles1 | though not since the early days |
| 15:09.22 | Dustin | lol ya I autobackup to my disk and dropbox every 20 minutes |
| 15:10.59 | kingTD | well i have map backups every 30 mins. |
| 15:11.03 | kingTD | 1 copy |
| 15:11.42 | Ahli | ok, I'm bored and just drive to the airport already now... byebye :) |
| 15:12.17 | kingTD | bb |
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| 15:25.24 | Dustin | http://puu.sh/6vf2q.png |
| 15:25.31 | Dustin | Looks like a boolean expression to me =/ |
| 15:32.13 | turtles1 | Trying to get the background image for a slider working. If texture type = normal then it works. But if texture type is set the border or horizontalborder then it does not apear. |
| 15:34.52 | Dustin | SOunds about right, texture type decides how the texture is applied to the object |
| 15:35.52 | Zandose | when i use "Actor - Send actor message (Destroy) to all actors contained by game region (Region(Start, 1.0))" it destroys too much beyond the area/region of 1. I'm guessing the units have a too large "area" which is in that region. what data entry controls this? |
| 15:36.24 | Zandose | dialog slider? |
| 15:37.24 | turtles1 | yeah, trying to get a custom dialog slider using UI module |
| 15:37.54 | Zandose | not quite sure if i understand correctly but i've made sliders for dialogs before |
| 15:38.14 | turtles1 | Dustin, The texture I am using is of type horizontalborder |
| 15:38.20 | Zandose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/938/Screenshot2013-12-20_19_46_01.jpg |
| 15:38.31 | Dustin | For the background? |
| 15:38.34 | turtles1 | so when I use type=normal then it is all messed up as it is applied wrong |
| 15:38.40 | turtles1 | but at least it shows up |
| 15:38.46 | turtles1 | yeah, for background |
| 15:40.17 | turtles1 | Zandose: Trying to create a slider with a box around it |
| 15:40.56 | Zandose | sounds simple enough. create fake image |
| 15:41.45 | turtles1 | But there are a few sliders and they are too small to set the precission correctly |
| 15:42.05 | turtles1 | so when the player mouse over the slider I want it to increase in size |
| 15:42.12 | Zandose | their are? i thought there was only one slider type |
| 15:42.46 | turtles1 | which I could do by using 2 dialog items and making them both increase in size together |
| 15:43.00 | Zandose | picture? |
| 15:43.16 | turtles1 | But thought it was about time I learned the UI editor and should do it the "neat" way |
| 15:44.06 | turtles1 | no, I meant it is for a dialog with a bunch of stuff and the sliders need to go from -400 to +400 |
| 15:44.22 | turtles1 | but they are only small, so it is impossible to get precission |
| 15:44.26 | Zandose | min/max value |
| 15:44.27 | Zandose | oh |
| 15:44.33 | turtles1 | so I want to make them bigger when you mouse over them |
| 15:44.54 | Zandose | thats why i also included +/- bottons and you can enter a number |
| 15:45.06 | Zandose | understood |
| 15:45.11 | Zandose | interesting idea |
| 15:45.35 | turtles1 | At least looking into this UI stuff has shown me a few cool things you can do with sliders |
| 15:45.44 | turtles1 | like have a vertical slider for example |
| 15:45.54 | turtles1 | Never been able to do that using just triggers |
| 15:46.05 | Zandose | so you cant do something like: mouse goes over dialog slider item, make slider bigger. |
| 15:46.13 | Zandose | hmm |
| 15:46.14 | turtles1 | yeah |
| 15:46.40 | turtles1 | I can do it with dialog items and using images to create a border |
| 15:47.03 | turtles1 | I know how to do it via triggers, just it would be cleaner if done through the UI |
| 15:48.17 | Zandose | k |
| 15:48.30 | Zandose | can you make sliders rotate up/down in triggers? |
| 15:48.50 | turtles1 | you can set the value of a slider bar. Is that what you mean? |
| 15:49.24 | turtles1 | and it will position the nob thingy over the correct place on the slide bar |
| 15:49.40 | Zandose | no. <turtles1> like have a vertical slider for example |
| 15:49.58 | turtles1 | No you can't. |
| 15:50.04 | turtles1 | not through triggers |
| 15:50.31 | turtles1 | but I have discovered the property "alignment" in the UI editor for sliders |
| 15:51.11 | turtles1 | which might work, haven't tried it out yet as it is not what I want ATM. But I will definitely look into it for another task I have |
| 15:51.43 | Zandose | ill try vertical sliders in triggers in a bit |
| 15:51.47 | turtles1 | alignment field takes values "horizontal" or "verticle" so it sounds like it does what we want |
| 15:52.37 | turtles1 | I've tried rotating them. It works with images and other dialog items but has no effect on the slider. |
| 15:52.51 | turtles1 | ^ using triggers |
| 15:53.23 | A1win | there are vertical sliders in game options UI so there should be some way to make them vertical |
| 15:54.01 | turtles1 | yeah, probably by creating them from a template. |
| 15:54.11 | turtles1 | can't do it via triggers though |
| 15:54.59 | turtles1 | Or, at least I was never able to find a way to make it work |
| 16:00.58 | turtles1 | anyway, for the moment I'm just trying to get the background texture applied as type=horizontalborder |
| 16:01.17 | turtles1 | Nobody knows if there is some kind of artificial constraint on doing so? |
| 16:01.43 | A1win | you could always hide the horizontal and show the vertical to "rotate" it with triggers |
| 16:02.12 | A1win | turtles1, each texture type requires the texture image file to be split differently |
| 16:02.31 | A1win | only one will work correctly for each kind of image |
| 16:02.58 | A1win | though usually it should at least show *something* unless it happens to have transparent area where it takes the split images from |
| 16:04.03 | turtles1 | I am using the same image file elsewhere and applying it as horizontalborder |
| 16:04.21 | turtles1 | and it gets split up and put together correctly |
| 16:04.38 | A1win | ah, dunno then |
| 16:04.42 | turtles1 | but using it as a slider background image it just does not appear |
| 16:04.57 | A1win | maybe sliders use a slider specific split method |
| 16:05.15 | turtles1 | but it does appear if I set the type to normal (which obviously messes it up and does not apply it correctly) |
| 16:05.22 | A1win | take a look at the default slider image |
| 16:05.30 | A1win | see how it is split |
| 16:05.33 | Dustin | This is annoying |
| 16:05.51 | Dustin | I can't get two librarys to talk to eachother in this extension mod |
| 16:06.08 | Dustin | And if I use the new code in a different library it doesnt run the code |
| 16:06.18 | Dustin | such confused, much anger, wow |
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| 16:16.31 | Zandose | where in-game can i see the vertical slider? |
| 16:17.28 | Zolden | Renee_ hey, finished your wc3 mod? |
| 16:24.01 | Dustin | Ok so, in Extension mods, you have to only use 1 library it seems |
| 16:27.48 | kingTD | if u have buggy map u can see |
| 16:36.55 | Renee_ | Almostly fininshed. But there are still some bug (frome the editor itself) |
| 16:39.22 | Renee_ | Actually, I just finished the melee part. The campain units and abilities... well let's just say they are too many. |
| 16:39.55 | Renee_ | The ultimate goal is fininsh all of them. But the current build is playable is you only play the melee part. |
| 16:40.25 | kingTD | latest screenshot? |
| 16:41.36 | Renee_ | Well, it's Chinese New year now, so I went back to my old homeland. I didn't bring the model with me. |
| 16:41.58 | Renee_ | *I didn't bring the Mod with me. |
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| 16:43.32 | Renee_ | Will go back in next month. |
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| 16:45.06 | Zolden | Renee_ waht chinese ppl do for new year? |
| 16:45.31 | Zolden | also, is there snow in china? |
| 16:45.59 | Renee_ | We inclined to unit |
| 16:46.05 | Renee_ | * |
| 16:47.16 | Renee_ | We inclined go back to our homeland, unit with our elders. And have new year's dinner with them |
| 16:47.53 | Zolden | do you have a tradition to decorate trees? |
| 16:49.04 | Renee_ | Hmmm no, I guess that's the western Christmas Day |
| 16:49.32 | Zolden | what about chinese santa claus? is it a thing? |
| 16:50.02 | Zolden | maybe other magical creatures? |
| 16:50.14 | Zolden | dragons maybe? |
| 16:50.43 | Renee_ | And there is snow in China. But only for northern part of the country this year. |
| 16:51.06 | Renee_ | I live in south part, and didn't see any snow this year. |
| 16:53.02 | Renee_ | Some ppl would celebrate Christmas Day and they will have santa claus, but it's not a tradition here. |
| 16:53.32 | Zolden | yea, western traditions spread around the world |
| 16:53.36 | A1win | it's been -15 to -16 here for a couple of weeks D: |
| 16:53.44 | A1win | -19 at nights a few times |
| 16:53.52 | Zolden | one day santa claus may simply conquer the whole planet |
| 16:54.04 | Zolden | A1win it's cool, isn't it? |
| 16:54.09 | Renee_ | We have Dragon dance in Spring Festival |
| 16:54.19 | A1win | extremely cool |
| 16:54.45 | Renee_ | But yes, Zolen. I see more and more santa claus these years. |
| 16:54.53 | Renee_ | *Zolden |
| 16:55.11 | Zolden | I actually enjoy this cold, because it feels like there will be less and less cold every year |
| 16:55.34 | Zolden | hope dragons will kill santa clauses |
| 16:55.50 | Renee_ | Global Warming? |
| 16:56.13 | A1win | new setting for a game: the ultimate battle between dragons and santa claus |
| 16:56.36 | Zolden | i guess... this year there was no snow until january 10, and it was something that never happend before in russia |
| 16:56.38 | Renee_ | Sounds like WoW VII |
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| 16:57.10 | Zolden | ArcanePariah take your santa clauses back from china! |
| 16:57.21 | ArcanePariah | Ehh??? |
| 16:57.32 | A1win | do it! |
| 16:57.37 | ArcanePariah | I own a santa claus? |
| 16:57.48 | Zolden | chinese traditional new yer got attacked by western santa clauses, it's a cultural war |
| 16:58.30 | ArcanePariah | OOOkkk... what do I do, send Randolph and reindeer command team to extract Santa? |
| 16:58.33 | Zolden | yea, by statistics, every american owns 0.11% of santa claus |
| 16:58.35 | ArcanePariah | commando* |
| 16:59.06 | Zolden | just press the "call santas back" button |
| 16:59.11 | Zolden | and let others press it too |
| 16:59.22 | Zolden | I want to see china genuine |
| 16:59.22 | ArcanePariah | presses the button, gets a dial tone |
| 17:03.22 | Renee_ | There are still some bug in the Mod. Mostly because the game itself bugged. |
| 17:03.42 | Renee_ | If you do AOE damge with CEffectDamage |
| 17:03.48 | ArcanePariah | Hey Renee_ |
| 17:04.11 | ArcanePariah | What is bugged? |
| 17:04.32 | Renee_ | And set the effect to be deal 50% damage structures (that how we do the WC3 armor type) |
| 17:04.55 | Zolden | Renee_ why not use DU_WEAP instead? |
| 17:05.40 | Renee_ | And set its aoe search field, and set it to deal 50% damage to the area. |
| 17:05.58 | Renee_ | The reslut=> Building in the area take 0 damage |
| 17:06.09 | Zolden | oh |
| 17:06.31 | Renee_ | it's not 50%*50%, it's 1-(50%+50%) |
| 17:06.35 | Renee_ | :( |
| 17:06.46 | Renee_ | That's couldn't be right |
| 17:06.58 | Zolden | do you plan to use a workaround or will wait until this fixed? |
| 17:07.40 | Renee_ | Still not decided. |
| 17:08.41 | ArcanePariah | If I understand correctly, you are saying the area fraction and attribute fraction are combined instead of compounded? |
| 17:08.48 | Renee_ | yes |
| 17:09.00 | ArcanePariah | Ouch |
| 17:09.25 | ArcanePariah | Welp... easy to work around but still annoying |
| 17:10.50 | turtles1 | As a follow up on the slider bar background thingo... |
| 17:11.21 | turtles1 | I copy/pasted/modified the slider used for replay viewing and managed to get it working |
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| 17:12.49 | turtles1 | I tried backtracing to figure out why changing the texturetype made parts of it disapear, but couldn't go back far enough to reproduce. So it will forever be a mystery to me |
| 17:13.37 | Renee_ | The Attack Type of Mortar Team is Siege Attack, which deal 50% Damage to Medium Armor. And the inner circle of Mortar Team aoe deal 40% damage. If you use it to attack Peasants. They won't be damage by the aoe part. |
| 17:13.56 | Renee_ | Peasants have Medium Armor |
| 17:15.16 | Renee_ | Gladly, SC2 doen't have Negative damage, or the peasants would be healed for 10% |
| 17:16.07 | ArcanePariah | Renee_, one question, if a unit is not found by an aoe search due to be filtered out by validators, will it be found by subsequent searches? |
| 17:17.25 | ArcanePariah | So, for example, if I had 3 aoe searches in a damage effect, and each search has a validator, and if a unit is excluded from the 1st search by a validator, will it be found by the next search (assuming it passes the validator) |
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| 17:22.57 | Renee_ | Hmmm you mean the are seach array in the same effect? |
| 17:23.08 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 17:23.47 | Renee_ | They would find the unit. If the unit is in their range of course |
| 17:24.55 | Renee_ | If a target fitled by validator, it would be consided as 'not found', So the subsequent array could find it. |
| 17:25.21 | Renee_ | * Filter out by validator |
| 17:27.49 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 17:29.02 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious, what mod are you working on? Sounds like a WC3 remake, yes? |
| 17:29.07 | Zolden | Renee_ how many actors adn effects your mod has? |
| 17:29.24 | ArcanePariah | Probably over 2k for actors easy :P |
| 17:29.59 | Renee_ | Last time I check, it's over 4600 actor |
| 17:30.10 | ArcanePariah | Nice :D |
| 17:30.23 | Renee_ | Didn't check the effects though. |
| 17:31.10 | Zandose | me dumb dumb, why this no work? |
| 17:31.13 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.13 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.48 | ArcanePariah | Erm... I think that sets the absolute height |
| 17:31.55 | ArcanePariah | So you just placed it below the map |
| 17:32.00 | Zandose | i know |
| 17:32.03 | Zandose | but it no move down |
| 17:32.19 | ArcanePariah | Because it is invalid location? |
| 17:32.30 | Renee_ | It's a WC3 Mod, ArcanePariah. The goal is remake every WC3 units doodad, abilities, sounds models, game mech etc. |
| 17:32.37 | Zandose | i've also tried |
| 17:32.39 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.39 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.58 | ArcanePariah | Zandose, what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:33.07 | Renee_ | It can be played as a game mod, but more importantly, it's for the mappers. |
| 17:33.11 | Zandose | terrain can go +/- 100 |
| 17:33.30 | Zandose | make unit, make unit move slightly into the terrain |
| 17:34.01 | ArcanePariah | Renee_, Nice, good stuff. I'm working on NotD, dunno if you've ever played it. I try to help around here and also by making tutorials |
| 17:34.27 | ArcanePariah | Zandose, then you want to set the unit 3d position to X,Y,Z-2 of unit current position |
| 17:34.49 | Renee_ | Night of the Dead? I played it looong ago, and doesn't quite remember the details now... hmmm |
| 17:35.29 | ArcanePariah | Heh, well it has changed quite a bit. Night of the Dead 1 is basically done, I might backport fixes/tweaks, but we are now starting on a sequel |
| 17:36.00 | Zandose | yes. |
| 17:36.17 | Zandose | if unit has ground mover it cant go below the terrain perhaps |
| 17:36.27 | Zandose | using all three together fixes it.... |
| 17:36.29 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.29 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.29 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.04 | ArcanePariah | Well yeah, the mover will update it |
| 17:37.27 | ArcanePariah | If you are just going for visual appearance, then yeah, you just need to adjust the actor |
| 17:37.39 | Zandose | all good now. walls and ceilings are looking good |
| 17:39.48 | Zandose | @Renee_ did you mention once something about cameras and using a actor message to hide unseen actors? |
| 17:41.17 | Renee_ | Eh, do you mean hide the far end actors to increase the performance? |
| 17:41.42 | Renee_ | It's better to use actor query to do this. |
| 17:41.44 | Zandose | perhaps, but not the cameras farclip |
| 17:42.16 | Zandose | are actors/model not viewed by the camera still rendered? |
| 17:42.41 | Renee_ | Depends |
| 17:43.53 | Zandose | do you have the link to camera/actor/actor query thing? i cannot find it |
| 17:46.42 | Renee_ | Hmmm I didn't wrote tutorial for the Actor Query, and I don't sure if others did. But the "Persisent Region Phasing" trigger action in old GAx3 is done by it. |
| 17:47.05 | ArcanePariah | For the Actor Query tutorial, I wrote one, let me dig it up |
| 17:47.55 | Zandose | i believe i may have already read it¿ :/ |
| 17:48.00 | ArcanePariah | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/60079-actors-actor-regions-queries-and-query-response-actors/#p2 |
| 17:48.26 | Zandose | ah yes, the trees |
| 17:48.31 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm |
| 17:48.31 | Zandose | read it |
| 17:48.40 | ArcanePariah | Nice to know my tutorial is memorable :D |
| 17:48.45 | Zandose | think i ported that into triggers... |
| 17:48.50 | ArcanePariah | Pink Trees ftw :D |
| 17:49.18 | ArcanePariah | I ought to elaborate more on the regions, now that I know what all of them are |
| 17:49.57 | ArcanePariah | At first I didn't know what game was, then I studied the Wall of Fire WoL missions, turns out the actor region can be created from trigger regions |
| 17:53.03 | Zandose | i have to go for a bit. afk |
| 18:04.33 | Dustin | lol this damn cursor wont hide |
| 18:05.56 | G0A | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/61667-my-new-arcade-quality-avatar/ :) |
| 18:06.30 | ArcanePariah | G0A, looool |
| 18:06.53 | Dustin | lol spot on |
| 18:06.56 | ArcanePariah | Btw, people's thoughts on new Arcade website? |
| 18:08.04 | G0A | is it online? |
| 18:08.11 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 18:08.22 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net/arcade/en/blog/ |
| 18:09.02 | ArcanePariah | I'm biased ofc, my map being featured on it |
| 18:09.43 | G0A | :) |
| 18:09.55 | ArcanePariah | Seems like that wishlist we sent to Blizzard a few months back is coming together |
| 18:10.02 | ArcanePariah | I think this was on it |
| 18:10.14 | ArcanePariah | Or maybe I'm just imagining things |
| 18:10.48 | G0A | It nice clean simple and fast. Though doesnt provide anything. |
| 18:11.56 | ArcanePariah | Directly, no, but it does serve as a one stop shop of sorts, direct links to download sc2, direct links to blizzard map tutorials, and direct links to the featured games (The links are the sc2 links, so it will send you straight to them in sc2) |
| 18:15.00 | ArcanePariah | I still love Traysent's comment about NotD |
| 18:15.09 | ArcanePariah | Why is it so hard for people to shoot something in the butt?" |
| 18:15.38 | G0A | what comment? |
| 18:16.03 | ArcanePariah | When they originally featured NotD, some of the blizz staff posted comments at the end of the article |
| 18:16.07 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8649257 |
| 18:16.33 | ArcanePariah | And traysents was "Why is it so hard for people to shoot something in the butt?" |
| 18:18.53 | ArcanePariah | Mostly alludes to the fact that the 1st boss of NotD gains major frontal damage reduction, and teams of new player often blindly fire at his front, instead of moving around and getting rear shots |
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| 18:27.07 | ArcanePariah | Hey Bibendus, you are likely to get a surge of new people |
| 18:27.21 | ArcanePariah | for your map |
| 18:27.52 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net/arcade/en/#games |
| 18:31.33 | kingTD | No mapping for slot mian.diffuse :s |
| 18:36.32 | Zolden | kingTD what are you doing there? |
| 18:37.18 | kingTD | farms attached dynamic grass that uses switched texture gives this missage |
| 18:38.22 | kingTD | other is if progress actors. that both playing Stand animations... |
| 18:38.41 | kingTD | sequential looping anims Stand Stand |
| 18:39.57 | Zolden | and what do you do to the grass? trying to make it look greenm than mature and ready to crop? |
| 18:40.14 | kingTD | no |
| 18:40.19 | kingTD | just switched texture |
| 18:40.33 | kingTD | everything is already done ages go |
| 18:40.55 | Zolden | why switching textures then? |
| 18:41.39 | kingTD | to look a bit better |
| 18:42.07 | kingTD | as i said it was done ages a go only now noticed or gived errors of these sorts |
| 18:44.50 | Zolden | yea, I noticed, you have "errors list" checkbox on your screenshots |
| 18:45.59 | kingTD | well there are consistant errors, like cant place unit when generation stuff. |
| 18:46.06 | kingTD | some are just displayed once |
| 18:46.13 | kingTD | like missing model units links |
| 18:46.17 | kingTD | and UI stuff |
| 18:47.57 | kingTD | here: http://snag.gy/XJyZ8.jpg |
| 18:48.08 | kingTD | only when starting from editor first time its displayed |
| 18:49.43 | kingTD | and no longer those previous errors are shown :s |
| 18:49.44 | kingTD | wtf |
| 18:51.19 | kingTD | nice generation, 2 AI trapped in the envoirement.. by rocks and trees :D |
| 18:51.58 | kingTD | ohh small passage for units there are.. not enough for siege or mounted ones |
| 19:13.23 | kingTD | heh... cant get upgrades requirements and now i cant get the cost of upgrades.. |
| 19:18.21 | Zolden | ew, errors |
| 19:23.13 | Dustin | Anyone know how to enable spectators for your map? |
| 19:23.25 | Dustin | erm, extension mod |
| 19:23.41 | kingTD | u have other person in the lobby |
| 19:23.52 | kingTD | right click on him and choose spectator or refe |
| 19:23.58 | Dustin | ahh |
| 19:24.08 | Dustin | Need to test this with another then |
| 19:24.58 | Dustin | nm i can do it to myself |
| 19:25.01 | Dustin | ty td |
| 19:26.34 | G0A | Zolden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AvIvO1eTfg |
| 19:27.21 | Dustin | Ugh this won't work, anyone know what BLizzard cahnged the Controller of Player == Spectator to, to get that info? |
| 19:32.25 | ArcanePariah | Dustin, it should be Observer |
| 19:33.35 | ArcanePariah | Oh I see the problem |
| 19:33.36 | Dustin | Is it not Player Controller now then? |
| 19:33.41 | ArcanePariah | Hmm |
| 19:33.57 | ArcanePariah | I think you need to check, instead of palyer controller, player attribute |
| 19:34.24 | Dustin | ah ha |
| 19:34.26 | Dustin | Ty sir |
| 19:35.12 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, Observer Type |
| 19:35.16 | ArcanePariah | No problem |
| 19:35.57 | ArcanePariah | Found a weird but intersting thing Blizzard did, for the 2nd HotS mission, the Raynor unit is actually just a magazine unit |
| 19:36.13 | ArcanePariah | Kerrigan is given a Arm Magazine ability and Raynor is the magazine unit, external |
| 19:36.31 | ArcanePariah | Neat trick imo, opens some possiblities |
| 19:41.43 | Zolden | G0A waht is it? |
| 19:41.58 | Zolden | do they change tones? |
| 19:44.17 | Zolden | it's like black and white when they don't change tones |
| 19:46.40 | Dustin | WEll this shit isnt working either...wtf |
| 19:46.57 | Dustin | I wish I could mark myself as spectator when testing the map locally |
| 19:47.01 | Zolden | jsut smoke some shit, dude, and u'll understand how to make it work |
| 19:48.00 | Dustin | I am smoking, but blizzards return doesnt seem to be waht it should be |
| 19:52.20 | ArcanePariah | Dustin, what are you trying to determine? |
| 19:53.35 | Dustin | If a user is a spectator, this check isnt triggering, and it takes awhile to change code, publish load and test and repeat |
| 19:53.35 | ArcanePariah | Are we trying to determine if the player is playing vs observing? |
| 19:54.26 | ArcanePariah | If so, you need to check the Player Attribute - Participant Role |
| 19:54.26 | Zolden | G0A it's nice for ears with all those funny sounds and timbres, but boring for the mind who requires harmony |
| 19:54.38 | ArcanePariah | Which has participant (Player) and Observer |
| 19:54.38 | Dustin | I tried both of those |
| 19:55.40 | G0A | Zolden listen to the end and you will find harmony:D |
| 19:55.53 | G0A | Zolden (last track is the best on the album) |
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| 19:58.08 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:03.11 | drybonevalley | Is there a way within the editor to have an ability to do more damage based on a % of missing health a target has or say % of mana the caster has used? |
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| 20:06.24 | ArcanePariah | drybonevalley, you will need to use triggers |
| 20:07.27 | ArcanePariah | The ability will run a dummy effect (an effect that does nothign). you will then use a trigger event that runs off that dummy effect being done. You then get the target HP, or energy, subtract if from their max, and then in triggers, run a damage effect with the bonus damage set to the value you just calculated |
| 20:09.29 | Dustin | Shit maybe I just can't run triggers for spectators... |
| 20:09.50 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, need help testing it out? |
| 20:10.27 | Dustin | Well I set myself as a spectator and go online and try it and it wont even display this text, so it's like a Spectator slot doesnt get anything run for it or something |
| 20:11.11 | ArcanePariah | Well, I think the game will not permit a solo game with spectator, it must have at least 1 player as a participant |
| 20:11.29 | Dustin | Even with 2 ai? |
| 20:11.42 | ArcanePariah | Also, and this is probably not the case, but you did set the Disable Observers flag off in Map Options? |
| 20:12.09 | Dustin | No, this is an extension mod |
| 20:12.16 | ArcanePariah | Oh ok... hmm |
| 20:12.18 | Dustin | used on a basic melee map |
| 20:13.01 | ArcanePariah | In which case, yes I think the default melee variant settings are probably blocking a single user from becoming observer |
| 20:13.15 | Dustin | Well im in the game as an observer |
| 20:13.23 | ArcanePariah | Odd |
| 20:13.36 | ArcanePariah | Let me hop on and see if we can sort it out |
| 20:18.47 | Dustin | Spectators dont coutn against slots do they? |
| 20:19.04 | ArcanePariah | Tbh, I do not know, I think so |
| 20:19.18 | Dustin | I dont think I can register anything since they arnet actual 'players' |
| 20:20.05 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, that seems odd |
| 20:20.11 | ArcanePariah | Oh wait |
| 20:20.12 | ArcanePariah | Hmm |
| 20:33.11 | Dustin | This is boggeling the mind |
| 20:49.25 | Dustin | The next Swarm beta patch will include significant changes to the way spectators are handled within the game. Spectating users will no longer be considered players, and will no longer be associated with a player slot. |
| 20:49.33 | Dustin | That'd do it |
| 20:49.36 | Dustin | Well that sucks |
| 20:50.05 | ArcanePariah | Ouch, when was this? Sounds like months ago |
| 20:50.35 | Dustin | post from 1/24/2013 |
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| 20:50.48 | ArcanePariah | Kind of makes the triggers to check participant role kind of worthless... |
| 20:51.26 | Dustin | That's what Im saying |
| 20:51.55 | Dustin | Guess Ill convert this to be a Free Cam ingame mod lol |
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| 21:09.49 | DeadZergling | Apparently today is also the day for freenode to crash |
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| 21:25.34 | DeadZergling | so quiet in here today, any new words of hatred kingTD ? |
| 21:26.03 | kingTD | u'r so ugly! |
| 21:27.47 | DeadZergling | A nice try, your insults could really use more color though. |
| 21:32.22 | DeadZergling | I forget by the way, what projects have you worked on kingTD? All I know is you hate my stuff and are obsessed with Zolden's, lol |
| 21:32.46 | kingTD | obsessed? |
| 21:32.55 | kingTD | thats is wrong knowing u have there |
| 21:34.03 | kingTD | Creator of: Age of Knights, Troops Defence, Swarm Trade Simulator (experimtal), Horde Zoldarium Siege (exrimental), TotalCraft (unplayable) |
| 21:36.11 | Zandose | in triggers can i send a actor message to a unit/actor so that if its blocking the camera it becomes transparent? |
| 21:36.41 | DeadZergling | Age of Knights, what is that supposed to be anyways, seemed like an Age of Empires/Warcraft hybrid |
| 21:37.01 | DeadZergling | sure, you can make it transparent |
| 21:37.20 | DeadZergling | not sure how you are going to check if it is blocking or not, but can definitely send a message to make its opacity 0 |
| 21:37.48 | Zandose | i believe you can set it up in data for doodads... |
| 21:38.40 | DeadZergling | yea, probably a few events to copy over is all, that isn't what you asked though :) |
| 21:39.02 | Zandose | eh. ill look at it later. nap time first though |
| 21:39.16 | kingTD | well game development progressed from map called Empires and Nations 2.. So bunch of renamed and patches, changes and now we have this Age of Empires somewhat based game with its own gameplay elements that doesnt really work good enough |
| 21:39.52 | DeadZergling | the building of stuff, and military units didn't bother me |
| 21:39.57 | DeadZergling | the AI of the workers however |
| 21:40.10 | DeadZergling | Was exceptionally annoying |
| 21:40.58 | kingTD | well will add option someday to be less annoying but they when gathering will go rapidly idle... |
| 21:41.26 | kingTD | ohh and fixing that gathering the target tree is not quite possible too |
| 21:41.51 | DeadZergling | that is a real problem, as the workers will always be the first units you are using |
| 21:42.01 | DeadZergling | no one's AI is more visible than theirs |
| 21:43.01 | ArcanePariah | What is the issue with worker AI? |
| 21:43.13 | kingTD | cant change much as im really limited to the functions provided |
| 21:43.23 | DeadZergling | Oh, they like to ignore orders, keep harvesting |
| 21:43.26 | DeadZergling | refuse to stop harvesting |
| 21:43.41 | DeadZergling | can send them to gold mine A, then they will decide to go to gold mine B the next time |
| 21:43.47 | kingTD | that they stack and dont have ability to have gathering stacks of resources like Lumber in WC3 |
| 21:43.55 | DeadZergling | which was a real problem as gold min B was right next to the castle of doom |
| 21:44.20 | ArcanePariah | kingTD, elaborate? |
| 21:44.22 | kingTD | THey dont stop gathering stuff cause they issed back to gather if the command Move or Stop was issued |
| 21:44.47 | kingTD | as they lose interest a lot and bunch of other shit |
| 21:45.14 | kingTD | Arcane mm? meaning? |
| 21:45.34 | ArcanePariah | Is your resource harvesting based on a Harvest ability? |
| 21:45.45 | ArcanePariah | The rapidly idle part |
| 21:46.02 | kingTD | no |
| 21:46.09 | kingTD | custom maide abilities chain |
| 21:46.21 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... why not use harvest? |
| 21:46.22 | kingTD | effects* |
| 21:46.33 | kingTD | 3 abilities, gather, return instant, return target |
| 21:46.42 | kingTD | "(23:43:52) kingTD: that they stack and dont have ability to have gathering stacks of resources like Lumber in WC3" |
| 21:46.52 | ArcanePariah | Ok elaborate on that part |
| 21:46.59 | ArcanePariah | Stack as in? |
| 21:47.23 | kingTD | by pass gathering queue and they stack |
| 21:48.06 | kingTD | its like in that video about sc1 that workers always gone idle. so they made them by pass eachother |
| 21:48.11 | ArcanePariah | Ok, let me back up, what is the wanted behavior, and what is the current behavior |
| 21:49.13 | kingTD | well.. another day with a lot of text how everything should be solved? im about to go to sleep |
| 21:49.15 | kingTD | sooooo |
| 21:50.09 | kingTD | and explaining that workers in original harvest ability cant work like workers in WC3 lumber gathering process is just plain boring |
| 21:50.26 | ArcanePariah | Oh, you mean you can't let multiple workers harvest from 1 node? |
| 21:50.54 | kingTD | imagine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49pzTX35Vc |
| 21:51.58 | ArcanePariah | Oh, to fix that you need to disable the markers on the harvest ability, it is placing a marker to "reserve" the node while it harvests, just set that to 0 |
| 21:52.21 | ArcanePariah | That should let any number of units harvest from the node at once |
| 21:52.29 | kingTD | here is the gameplay with the workers in action |
| 21:52.29 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCbIIEXzOO8 |
| 21:52.57 | kingTD | AND THEY STACK ON TOP OF EACH OTHER |
| 21:53.04 | kingTD | WTFFFF ARE U SUGGESTING ME HERE!?!?!??! |
| 21:53.14 | Zandose | smashed head again table. |
| 21:53.20 | Zandose | it stopped working again |
| 21:53.37 | DeadZergling | damned tables, need to learn their place |
| 21:53.38 | Zandose | my units wont move slightly below the terrain |
| 21:53.42 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.12 | ArcanePariah | Ok, I have to do stuff, but I'll revist this later kingTD and see if I better understand the issue |
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| 22:04.28 | Bounty | Kapew |
| 22:04.35 | DeadZergling | Hello Mr Frog Molester |
| 22:04.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:04.56 | rtschutter | Bounty I too have just arrived |
| 22:04.58 | Bounty | Try the wasd system yet? |
| 22:05.09 | Bounty | Howdy schutter |
| 22:05.28 | DeadZergling | Haha of course not, Boss 3 is gonna take me a lot longer than that |
| 22:05.43 | DeadZergling | especially when I keep putting it off to redo my UI |
| 22:05.55 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:06.09 | DeadZergling | I told you I would, just not right now |
| 22:06.22 | DeadZergling | I emailed myself all the important details so I'll have them ready |
| 22:06.25 | Zandose | will a paused unit still react to collisions? |
| 22:06.34 | Bounty | no |
| 22:06.59 | DeadZergling | I must again must insist that no one ever start an RPG |
| 22:07.02 | DeadZergling | worst idea, ever |
| 22:07.09 | Bounty | I agree Dead |
| 22:07.16 | Zandose | oh no... |
| 22:07.21 | Bounty | It is the most time consuming genre you could make lol |
| 22:07.27 | Zandose | does open rpgs count? |
| 22:07.44 | Bounty | I think open RPG would be more difficult to make than a scripted one |
| 22:07.45 | DeadZergling | eh, not as much, can slap those together pretty easily |
| 22:07.57 | Zandose | not mine :( |
| 22:07.58 | DeadZergling | if it is the kind of RPG i think you mean |
| 22:08.14 | DeadZergling | you are referring to the type that were popular on brood war, correct? |
| 22:08.20 | Zandose | idk |
| 22:08.31 | Zandose | i just adding things to map to make it good |
| 22:08.36 | Bounty | Skyrim, Fallout etc |
| 22:08.43 | DeadZergling | I'm not against RPGs, I'm just sick as hell of working on it |
| 22:08.46 | DeadZergling | want it done |
| 22:08.59 | Zandose | working on making random buildings you can go inside |
| 22:09.48 | Zandose | got box, circle, and hallway done |
| 22:10.54 | DeadZergling | I just feel I could have put out 7 or 8 different projects |
| 22:10.57 | revengeance | rtschutter, let us talk about your buttocks |
| 22:10.58 | DeadZergling | in the time I have spent on this |
| 22:11.01 | revengeance | Are they well trained? |
| 22:11.17 | Zandose | i just to have good systems to build upon |
| 22:11.28 | Bounty | You most certainly could have DeadZergling |
| 22:11.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:12.03 | Zandose | take short path and make "just works" and move on. leave the details for later |
| 22:12.53 | DeadZergling | yea, I have this as proof of that: http://www.cloudspokes.com/challenges/2292/results |
| 22:14.03 | Zandose | nap time.afk |
| 22:14.11 | DeadZergling | Later Z |
| 22:19.12 | DeadZergling | Hrrrrmmm, rectangular buttons or rounded buttons |
| 22:19.14 | DeadZergling | what to go with |
| 22:21.39 | DeadZergling | Rectangular has the advantage of a much stronger presence, but the disadvantage of looking like a label... |
| 22:25.29 | DeadZergling | Meanwhile rounded looks friendly, but also kind of wimpy |
| 22:34.11 | DeadZergling | Seeking CONSTRUCTIVE criticism here on a new skill tree dialog box and button, http://ctrlv.in/286863 |
| 22:36.40 | DeadZergling | button placement is quite weird at the moment I know, is just there to see how it meshes with the dialog |
| 22:37.15 | Bommes | technically this shouldn't be called "background" since there is a button in there #helpfulcriticism |
| 22:37.29 | DeadZergling | is on a diff layer |
| 22:39.48 | DeadZergling | Still waiting to see if Zolden calls this one a Monkey Shit mess |
| 22:45.53 | DeadZergling | Anyways, not sure on the border, not sure if I want to stick with http://ctrlv.in/286863, or go with a darker border like http://ctrlv.in/286867 |
| 22:57.59 | Bommes | That depends on the other UI you have in place and consistency imo |
| 22:58.03 | Zolden | i'd check it in game |
| 22:59.12 | DeadZergling | well, thinking of just replacing most of them with the same style to reduce noise |
| 22:59.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster JademusSreg (~jademus.s@c-76-123-235-103.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 22:59.44 | DeadZergling | I do know a dark is necessary, as I display a lot of buttons on my skill tree |
| 22:59.57 | DeadZergling | attempting to employ better visual design is the main thing |
| 23:04.07 | ArcanePariah | Carrier has arrived |
| 23:04.13 | ArcanePariah | So I'm back |
| 23:04.29 | DeadZergling | Hi AP, feel free to criticize the heck out of the 2 pastes |
| 23:07.09 | DeadZergling | yea Bommes, consistency in my map is for the most part, non-existent |
| 23:07.09 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, I prefer whatever border color contrasts best with the map lighting, in order to provide a definitive place for dialog item |
| 23:07.27 | DeadZergling | attempting to change that |
| 23:07.51 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg interesting thing I discovered. The Raynor unit in the 2nd Swarm Mission is simply a magazine unit |
| 23:08.49 | ArcanePariah | They gave kerrigan an arm magazine ability and add 1 ammo to it, and was done, which was interesting since it means you get to skip all AI stuff, he just auto follows as an external magazine unit |
| 23:09.17 | DeadZergling | by contrasts best with map lighting, do you mean dark border for a light map, light border for a darker map? |
| 23:09.30 | ArcanePariah | Which leads me to the following possiblity for your concept that you are working on atm, namely sqauds should be easily doable |
| 23:09.34 | ArcanePariah | Yes DeadZergling |
| 23:09.52 | DeadZergling | Dark it is then, besides shadows, it is always daytime in my map |
| 23:09.55 | ArcanePariah | I want to know when my mouse is in a dialog and when it is not, and not have to guess |
| 23:10.53 | DeadZergling | sure, what do you think of the button, too visible, not visible enough? |
| 23:13.42 | Dustin | Woot, well that extension mod is done |
| 23:19.41 | ArcanePariah | Nice |
| 23:20.04 | ArcanePariah | I think that's the best thing about extension mods, small simple projects, instead of collosal OMG projects |
| 23:20.20 | ArcanePariah | Like BGH is incredibly simple, yet so fun |
| 23:21.29 | DeadZergling | bgh is far too slow, has to be fastest possible map, lol |
| 23:21.51 | ArcanePariah | Well Crazy Korpulru is pretty good |
| 23:22.08 | ArcanePariah | 2x mining rate, workers take 1 second to build, most building build stuff at 3x rate |
| 23:22.29 | ArcanePariah | Supply is 4x across the board (pylons/depots/ovies produce 32, cap is 800) |
| 23:28.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-89.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 23:30.09 | revengeance | Dustin, let's talk about your boobs. |
| 23:30.48 | Dustin | Deal |
| 23:44.38 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 23:44.40 | JademusSreg | Florksnorkle. |
| 23:45.52 | Bommes | does anyone have any experience with replacing the loadingbar image files? Because after the first time test documenting the image sometimes doesn't show up properly and I need some verification that it's just some kind of small import bug instead of something that would occur for every player on first loadup |
| 23:46.56 | JademusSreg | Did you preload it? |
| 23:47.18 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 23:47.18 | Bommes | oh, no I didn't |
| 23:47.21 | Bommes | seems like a good idea |
| 23:47.21 | Bommes | ^^ |
| 23:47.45 | Bommes | that's something that is only possible via script, right? |
| 23:47.51 | ArcanePariah | Also, you can change what loading bars are available for selection by customizing the GameUI values |
| 23:47.54 | ArcanePariah | No |
| 23:48.23 | ArcanePariah | Go top Map -> Preload Info |
| 23:48.28 | ArcanePariah | Go to* |
| 23:48.31 | Bommes | mmh yeah, but I didn't find the reference in the assets.txt for some reason |
| 23:48.33 | Bommes | ah, thanks |
| 23:48.39 | ArcanePariah | You can preload assets, banks, and other stuff there |
| 23:48.45 | ArcanePariah | And for which players |
| 23:49.17 | Bommes | oh, that's pretty useful |
| 23:49.23 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm :D |
| 23:49.27 | Bommes | I never saw that for some reason... |
| 23:49.35 | Bommes | man :D |
| 23:49.45 | ArcanePariah | It was introduced with HotS, kind of a small thing, but yes, quite usefull indeeed |
| 23:49.54 | Bommes | ah okay |
| 23:50.36 | ArcanePariah | Basically use that for static preloads (preloads that always happen) and only use the trigger actions for conditional preloads |
| 23:50.45 | ArcanePariah | (Which really only make sense in a campaign) |
| 23:51.26 | Bommes | alright, thanks :) |
| 23:54.48 | Bommes | also, while we are at it, how would you modify the Game UI Loading bar references to create a new suffix instead of just overwriting the default image files? |
| 23:55.09 | Bommes | because I didn't find any reference in the assets.txt like you would for example for UI elements |
| 23:55.45 | ArcanePariah | Gimme 5 minutes, and I'll come explain how |
| 23:55.50 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:55.52 | Bommes | cool, thanks |
