| 00:19.53 | A1win | woot 10-0, new lossles record ;p |
| 00:21.55 | A1win | crazed alchemist so good in rogue deck, another thing to alter the board so that I can do just the right amount of damage |
| 00:22.21 | A1win | (not really good but not useless) |
| 00:23.48 | A1win | enemy does coin -> 2/3, crazed alchemist -> backstab |
| 00:31.07 | A1win | aww 10-1 |
| 00:47.34 | Necromoni | lol |
| 00:53.48 | A1win | 12-1 wooo |
| 00:54.18 | A1win | 224+170+20 gold and a golden doomguard D: |
| 00:54.49 | Ahli | wow |
| 01:05.30 | A1win | ouch, now I lost my first game ;p |
| 01:05.40 | A1win | hunter got lucky with mad bomber |
| 01:06.02 | A1win | and I think I don't have enough spells in this deck |
| 01:13.34 | A1win | mmh just too expensive cards in general |
| 01:22.47 | Ahli | I had pink texture in hs :) |
| 01:31.35 | Ahli | my druid deck needs to die... I just had 5 taunts in my hand |
| 01:33.21 | A1win | baww 1-2 |
| 01:33.39 | A1win | should really keep a better eye on the mana curve ;p |
| 01:33.57 | A1win | got way too many 5 cost cards |
| 01:34.04 | A1win | oh, 2-2, not 1-2 |
| 01:34.18 | A1win | getting sleepy too ;p |
| 01:42.28 | Ahli | madbomber killed his own minion... a round later he gives up |
| 01:43.11 | A1win | ;p |
| 01:45.26 | Ahli | rng, give me a minon, damned |
| 01:45.54 | Ahli | 5th turn, I play a 8 8 with taunt... |
| 01:48.49 | A1win | damn this priest got a good start, he's at like 7 cards in hand all the time while I already have 0 |
| 01:49.06 | A1win | he had two clerics and I couldn't get them killed ;p |
| 01:49.10 | A1win | 2-3 :P |
| 01:49.18 | A1win | not quite as good as the previous 12-1 |
| 01:54.06 | Ahli | ahfbidfcbaikfbakifb damned totem |
| 01:55.37 | A1win | I should make some non-rush constructed deck so I could actually have fun against friends ;p |
| 01:56.22 | Kueken | I got only 225 gold for my 12 wins |
| 01:56.27 | Ahli | damned bloodlust :D |
| 01:56.30 | A1win | yeah it's random |
| 01:56.35 | Kueken | but 2 packs + golden something |
| 01:56.54 | Kueken | is 2 packs guaranteed at 12? |
| 01:56.58 | Kueken | or random as well? |
| 01:57.01 | A1win | random |
| 01:57.14 | A1win | always 1 pack, rest are random, at least somewhat |
| 01:57.20 | A1win | there should be a list somewhere |
| 01:59.41 | A1win | http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Arena |
| 02:03.17 | Ahli | oh god, not again vs mr totem |
| 02:05.00 | A1win | haha killed 3/1 divine shield with mad bomber |
| 02:10.44 | A1win | aggro priest is fun |
| 02:34.47 | A1win | :P played mad bomber, hit every other 3 targets except the one I wanted him to hit |
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| 03:20.26 | A1win | hmm I wonder where all the gold spam friend requests suddenly disappeared |
| 03:28.56 | Ahli | I would assume someone with the power to ban them received one on his private account. |
| 03:29.22 | A1win | it was from multiple accounts |
| 03:30.09 | Ahli | you don't want to make people with power rage... they start a rampage and ban everything containing gold and www or .com |
| 03:30.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:31.57 | JademusSreg | I have a friend request pending from "STDFactory", presumably an offer to purchase STDs? |
| 03:31.59 | A1win | 7-3 on priest |
| 03:32.17 | A1win | now I have 730 gold xO |
| 03:32.27 | Ahli | you could send a few friend requests and advertise gold in them and check how long it takes them to ban you :D |
| 03:32.30 | A1win | was bit over 800 earlier before I lost with that rogue deck |
| 03:33.17 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:33.41 | Kueken | I had like 50-80 ish gold at all times, always needed to play some constructed quests to enter arena |
| 03:33.43 | A1win | mmh am I too tired to do another arena.... y/n |
| 03:33.55 | Kueken | and then the run where I met a1win, I got like 600 |
| 03:34.09 | Kueken | didn't decrease since then |
| 03:34.12 | A1win | Kueken, the achievement gives 300, not 100 like I said earlier |
| 03:34.20 | Kueken | yeah |
| 03:35.19 | A1win | now I want to make a constructed rogue deck that has similar tricks to what I've had on arena |
| 03:35.27 | A1win | not a boring rush deck |
| 03:35.47 | Kueken | 5 defias ringleader will be hard to do in constructed |
| 03:36.12 | Kueken | add lots of pandas :p |
| 03:36.20 | A1win | hehe |
| 03:36.54 | ArcanePariah | Uggh... Blizzard reallly really was clunky with WoL stuff, the entire tech panel is... really overkill code |
| 03:37.02 | A1win | worgen infiltrator is nice since you can play it on turn 1 and then wait for opponent to play something it works against |
| 03:37.23 | Ahli | tech panel? |
| 03:37.29 | Kueken | yeah, I used that in my paladin deck a lot |
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| 03:37.44 | Kueken | worgen + divine shield = gg |
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| 03:38.24 | ArcanePariah | Uggh... Blizzard was really clunky about WoL UI stuff |
| 03:38.35 | DeadZergling | So, been enjoying your Hearthstone bus A1win? You seem well on your way to be the biggest Hearthstone nerd of all time. |
| 03:38.54 | A1win | hehe |
| 03:39.16 | A1win | I was like this with Android: Netrunner earlier but then my friends got bored |
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| 03:39.20 | Kueken | I was pretty lucky that run too, I had a single worgen infiltrator and drew it in 7 or 8 of my 14 games in the starting hand, almost always backed up by the divine shield giver guy |
| 03:39.29 | Kueken | (had 4 of them I think) |
| 03:39.29 | JademusSreg | Haha, friends. |
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| 03:39.36 | A1win | hearthstone is less interesting in gameplay but at last I can play constantly |
| 03:39.59 | Ahli | jade, that was quoteworthy :D |
| 03:40.00 | Kueken | its fun to kill some time |
| 03:40.08 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:40.18 | DeadZergling | I think A1win aims to kill all the time |
| 03:40.34 | A1win | how much health does it have |
| 03:40.42 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Hearthstone is well designed and "hurts" just enough that it may prove lucrative. |
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| 03:41.55 | ArcanePariah | So anything new or crazy going on in here |
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| 03:42.52 | JademusSreg | Been playing Hearthstoned between design contemplation sessions. |
| 03:43.15 | Ahli | playing ladder... enemy pauses after 22s |
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| 03:45.02 | DeadZergling | Afraid it is a goal you can't accomplish A1win, Time has infinity cards in its deck. |
| 03:45.35 | A1win | sounds like a bad deck ;p |
| 03:46.49 | drybonevalley | Anyone here familiar with validators and modify unit effects |
| 03:48.44 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 03:48.51 | DeadZergling | now that was an easy question |
| 03:49.18 | drybonevalley | Got a moment? I'm running into a wall trying to get something to work |
| 03:49.42 | DeadZergling | can try, what are you trying to do? |
| 03:51.02 | drybonevalley | I'm working on ability which when activated reduces the cooldowns of my other 3 abilities to..let's say 1 second but the ability reducing these cooldowns is not affected. I've tried using Unit Compare Behavior Count- Validator with a Modify Unit Effect that will would reduce the cooldown on that ability to 1. Through that into a set effect that one of my other abilities is using and hoped it would work but no luck. |
| 03:51.41 | drybonevalley | So essentially if my unit has this behavior, reduce CD's on rest of my abilities except for the triggering ability |
| 03:52.37 | Necromoni | its very easy with triggers |
| 03:52.39 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, is it supposed to be a one shot thing, or a constant behavior that keeps the abilities cooled down? |
| 03:53.08 | Necromoni | Unit uses ability , Set unit cooldown of Abil/YourAbil Cooldown remaining of Abil/YourAbil - 1.0 |
| 03:53.11 | Ahli | bronze player, 186 apm, f*ck me |
| 03:53.40 | drybonevalley | It'll be a behavior with a duration, that while active just has the abilities cooldowns changed to 1 second instead of their normal values |
| 03:53.41 | DeadZergling | yea, not everyone automatically likes going to triggers though necro :P |
| 03:53.54 | Necromoni | lol |
| 03:53.57 | Necromoni | jus SAYIAN |
| 03:54.10 | DeadZergling | yea yea monkey boy |
| 03:54.15 | Necromoni | i dont like triggers but i wouldnt go through the data work for them easy trigger workaround |
| 03:54.43 | Necromoni | btw did u release that frenzy map |
| 03:54.55 | Necromoni | i saw it going around in the irc well before it released |
| 03:54.59 | drybonevalley | I figured triggers could do it, I was just hoping to learn the modify unit effect/validators |
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| 03:55.38 | DeadZergling | so one thing you really gotta keep in mind messing with abilities of that kind drybonevalley |
| 03:55.48 | DeadZergling | the links have to be exactly right |
| 03:55.55 | A1win | somehow I want to put crazed alchemist in this constructed deck |
| 03:55.56 | DeadZergling | or it won't work for you at all |
| 03:55.58 | A1win | maybe I'll try it.... |
| 03:56.47 | Necromoni | I didn't even kno u could modify cooldown time with data |
| 03:56.49 | A1win | Ahli, wanna play a test game against this? ;p |
| 03:56.56 | DeadZergling | what you are wanting to do is probably possible |
| 03:57.09 | DeadZergling | but I am thinking of a much lazier way |
| 03:57.19 | drybonevalley | Hmm so what field in the Validator is used for the links? |
| 03:57.21 | DeadZergling | make 3 identical abilities, with 1 second cooldowns instead |
| 03:57.36 | drybonevalley | is it Validator Value? |
| 03:57.38 | DeadZergling | and when behavior is active, show those 3, and hide the longer versions |
| 03:57.50 | Necromoni | validator link would be value |
| 03:57.50 | Necromoni | yes |
| 03:58.07 | Necromoni | and Compare |
| 03:58.20 | Necromoni | and Behavior since you'r comparing behavior count |
| 03:58.38 | drybonevalley | So the Validator Value would contain the # of the behavior im comparing |
| 03:58.48 | Necromoni | yes |
| 03:59.01 | Necromoni | then the Compare will be the ope |
| 03:59.05 | Necromoni | Equal to 1 |
| 03:59.10 | Necromoni | would be what you want |
| 03:59.22 | Necromoni | then Validator: Unit |
| 03:59.26 | Necromoni | has to be Caster I guess |
| 03:59.35 | Necromoni | since its the caster unit being checked |
| 03:59.37 | Necromoni | ? |
| 04:00.03 | DeadZergling | caster, source, either be fine probably |
| 04:00.11 | drybonevalley | yea i set unit to caster, and have equal to as the compare but is there where u can set it to be equal to 1? |
| 04:00.24 | Necromoni | Validator: Value |
| 04:00.32 | Necromoni | would be 1 |
| 04:00.37 | Necromoni | Validator: Compare |
| 04:00.40 | Necromoni | would be Equal |
| 04:01.05 | drybonevalley | I thought Validator: Value was the id # of the behavior |
| 04:01.10 | Necromoni | no |
| 04:01.13 | Necromoni | thats tha count |
| 04:01.21 | Necromoni | of the behavior |
| 04:01.23 | Necromoni | you're comparing |
| 04:01.53 | Necromoni | says so in the validator name |
| 04:01.53 | Necromoni | :o |
| 04:02.26 | DeadZergling | back to afking for me, you seem to be plenty chatty Necromoni :) |
| 04:02.37 | Necromoni | for now |
| 04:02.52 | Necromoni | lol |
| 04:03.03 | Ahli | A1win: but I suck in HS :< |
| 04:03.34 | drybonevalley | Heh alright, changed the value to 1, and value:behavior of course is my behavior, and unit set to caster. Time to give it a go |
| 04:03.45 | Necromoni | or what i like to do to not mess up |
| 04:03.50 | Necromoni | is put it to Not Equal to 0 |
| 04:04.07 | Necromoni | no diff tho i guess |
| 04:07.11 | drybonevalley | bleh, still borked |
| 04:09.31 | Necromoni | btw how are you modifying cooldown in data? |
| 04:09.57 | DeadZergling | hopefully using Modify Player effects |
| 04:10.27 | Necromoni | how |
| 04:10.28 | Necromoni | o.o |
| 04:10.35 | Necromoni | oh |
| 04:10.36 | Necromoni | i see |
| 04:11.03 | Necromoni | Only problem would be |
| 04:11.13 | Necromoni | your abilities arent linked with the modify player effect |
| 04:11.24 | Necromoni | theres a drop box under Cooldown |
| 04:11.29 | Necromoni | shouldnt be empty |
| 04:11.39 | Necromoni | should have Abil/YourAbilName |
| 04:11.42 | Necromoni | or something like that |
| 04:11.55 | Necromoni | idk never done it through data |
| 04:12.03 | DeadZergling | linked cooldowns would be really bad for this |
| 04:12.22 | DeadZergling | he just needs 3 separate modify player effects |
| 04:12.31 | DeadZergling | the validator isn't even necessary |
| 04:12.33 | Necromoni | yeah |
| 04:12.56 | DeadZergling | just behavior initial effect be set w/ 3 modify player effects |
| 04:13.15 | DeadZergling | final effect be set w/ 3 modify player effects to set them back to default |
| 04:13.32 | Necromoni | moe wok |
| 04:13.37 | Necromoni | but yeah |
| 04:13.41 | Necromoni | o.o |
| 04:13.52 | DeadZergling | oh yes, it might take 5-10 mins |
| 04:14.13 | DeadZergling | and that is only because I'm anal about my effect naming |
| 04:14.42 | Necromoni | if u have a speedy comp |
| 04:14.47 | Necromoni | it might take 5-10 mins |
| 04:14.57 | Necromoni | takes 5-10 mins just to change a value in there |
| 04:15.03 | Necromoni | >.> |
| 04:15.17 | DeadZergling | try alt + shift + e |
| 04:15.27 | DeadZergling | speeds up the response time of the editor significantly |
| 04:15.31 | Necromoni | orly |
| 04:15.46 | Necromoni | u mean off |
| 04:15.47 | Necromoni | or on |
| 04:15.48 | DeadZergling | yes, without all the tree linking and crap going on |
| 04:15.55 | DeadZergling | it goes much, much faster |
| 04:16.06 | Necromoni | well shit |
| 04:16.15 | Necromoni | i shouldve known about that before i finished all the work |
| 04:16.24 | Necromoni | with slow ass loading times |
| 04:16.45 | Necromoni | clicking one of my heroes takes a year to load |
| 04:16.47 | DeadZergling | the linking is nice sometimes |
| 04:16.53 | DeadZergling | oh I know the feeling exactly |
| 04:17.01 | DeadZergling | clicking one of my heroes abilities takes a year to load |
| 04:17.03 | Necromoni | lol |
| 04:17.04 | DeadZergling | let alone the hero |
| 04:17.13 | DeadZergling | if I don't have that turned off |
| 04:17.13 | Necromoni | dont even try |
| 04:17.15 | Necromoni | to group them |
| 04:17.36 | Necromoni | holy fk |
| 04:17.42 | Necromoni | clicking one of my heroes is instant |
| 04:17.43 | DeadZergling | we'll just say I got very picky about how buffs worked for my hero |
| 04:17.53 | Necromoni | r u a godsend |
| 04:17.59 | DeadZergling | like, 30-40 validators for one ability |
| 04:18.01 | DeadZergling | picky |
| 04:18.05 | Necromoni | wtf |
| 04:18.07 | Necromoni | what is this |
| 04:18.09 | Necromoni | this isnt the editor |
| 04:18.18 | Necromoni | this isnt the hell i kno and llove |
| 04:18.19 | Necromoni | xD |
| 04:18.43 | Necromoni | 30-40 |
| 04:18.47 | Necromoni | O.o |
| 04:18.52 | DeadZergling | drybonevalley, did you get your situation sorted out? |
| 04:19.02 | Necromoni | DeadZergling |
| 04:19.07 | Necromoni | i think u told me about a map u made |
| 04:19.11 | Necromoni | wat was it again |
| 04:19.13 | Necromoni | was it the rpg |
| 04:19.16 | Necromoni | with the necromancer |
| 04:19.17 | Necromoni | xD |
| 04:19.19 | DeadZergling | Horologium RPG |
| 04:19.23 | DeadZergling | and yes, it has a necromancer |
| 04:19.28 | Necromoni | yea i remember |
| 04:19.34 | Necromoni | the map was named 1425145123124324 |
| 04:19.35 | Necromoni | or something |
| 04:19.45 | Necromoni | i kept forgetting the name and never got around to playing it |
| 04:20.14 | DeadZergling | well if you go under custom maps, look up hororpg, should come up |
| 04:20.19 | Necromoni | kk |
| 04:20.24 | DeadZergling | I could definitely use some playtesting for the classes to figure out who needs more |
| 04:20.31 | Necromoni | add me |
| 04:20.32 | DeadZergling | all 5 are fully implemented now |
| 04:20.35 | Necromoni | im up for testing |
| 04:20.36 | Necromoni | any time |
| 04:20.37 | Necromoni | im on |
| 04:20.45 | Necromoni | literally jus invite me and ill join |
| 04:20.48 | DeadZergling | yea, give me 10 mins and I'll hop on bnet |
| 04:20.53 | Necromoni | im not |
| 04:20.55 | Necromoni | on there |
| 04:20.56 | Necromoni | right now |
| 04:21.00 | Necromoni | i gtg soon |
| 04:21.01 | DeadZergling | I know, I'm not either |
| 04:21.10 | DeadZergling | is just so you have it on your list :) |
| 04:21.16 | Necromoni | ? |
| 04:21.26 | Necromoni | meh ill open it |
| 04:21.29 | DeadZergling | the map has a hidden name |
| 04:21.35 | DeadZergling | but it isn't locked down or anything |
| 04:22.25 | Necromoni | ill be in the sc2mapster group |
| 04:22.31 | Necromoni | so u can add me ezier |
| 04:24.06 | Necromoni | I made a map but it looks like no one really likes the gameplay |
| 04:24.09 | Necromoni | except one guy |
| 04:24.24 | Necromoni | xD |
| 04:35.00 | DeadZergling | lol, just one guy huh? |
| 04:41.35 | Necromoni | yeah so far |
| 04:41.52 | Necromoni | ive only tested it with about 5 different people |
| 04:41.57 | Necromoni | 1 of them said they liked it |
| 04:42.06 | Necromoni | 3 of them it's obvious they didnt like it / were occupied |
| 04:42.26 | drybonevalley | What was the action to do it within triggers? set unit cooldown doesn't seem to be showing up under actions |
| 04:42.39 | Necromoni | its |
| 04:42.42 | Necromoni | Unit Property |
| 04:43.10 | Necromoni | no |
| 04:43.11 | Necromoni | its |
| 04:43.13 | Necromoni | Add |
| 04:43.23 | Necromoni | Add cooldown for ability |
| 04:43.34 | Necromoni | Add Cooldown for Unit Ability |
| 04:43.36 | Necromoni | exactly |
| 04:44.02 | Necromoni | then for the value you'd put an Arithmetic (Real) |
| 04:44.07 | Necromoni | 0.0 - 1.0 |
| 04:44.23 | Necromoni | for -1 second |
| 04:45.02 | Necromoni | then link it to the cooldown of the ability, the link is found in your Ability's "Cost" field under "Cooldown" |
| 04:45.14 | DeadZergling | what type of map is it again Necromoni ? |
| 04:45.26 | Necromoni | I dont think ive told you |
| 04:45.31 | Necromoni | but its a hero arena |
| 04:45.35 | Necromoni | thats like a cat n mouse |
| 04:45.38 | Necromoni | wher1 side is stronger |
| 04:45.42 | Necromoni | and the other needs to survive |
| 04:45.51 | Necromoni | basically its tag with heroes |
| 04:45.55 | Necromoni | or hide n seek with heroes |
| 04:45.55 | Necromoni | xD |
| 04:46.07 | DeadZergling | ah, 2 game types I dislike come together as one game type I don't like, lol |
| 04:46.12 | Necromoni | hahaha |
| 04:46.16 | Necromoni | exactly |
| 04:46.35 | Necromoni | lots of people who are still in sc2 dont want hero games |
| 04:46.41 | Necromoni | if they wanted a hero game theyd just play LoL? |
| 04:46.48 | Necromoni | but I still wanted to make it |
| 04:47.01 | Necromoni | I'll remake it in Heroes of the Storm if they make an arcade for it |
| 04:47.16 | Necromoni | hopefully they just make the Arcade a standalone title and let us import all the maps from sc2 |
| 04:47.36 | Necromoni | doubt they'd do that thpo |
| 04:48.32 | Necromoni | The only thing with this cat n mouse is, it's micro based. Most famous cat n mouse on sc2 is more macro oriented |
| 04:48.53 | Necromoni | except Island Defence, which still has lots of macro elements in there depending on which builder you pick |
| 04:50.49 | Ahli | yay, won a melee game because I learned in streams that you shouldn't expand first in pvp |
| 04:52.10 | Necromoni | huh |
| 04:52.16 | Necromoni | oh |
| 04:52.17 | Necromoni | sc2 |
| 04:52.24 | Ahli | yay, I won a game because the guy was afk and I had a 50 mineral advantage :X |
| 04:52.43 | Necromoni | tht was quick |
| 04:52.46 | Necromoni | lol |
| 04:55.31 | Necromoni | well I'm off |
| 04:55.39 | Necromoni | later |
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| 06:26.27 | drybonevalley | Tried, necros trigger solution but that didn |
| 06:26.32 | drybonevalley | quite get me where I wanted |
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| 06:31.58 | drybonevalley | DeadZergling, is it expected that I manually have to add the ability link on the modify player effect? It did not auto fill within the dropdown, so I manually added it but no luck in it working when adding the modify effect to the ability triggering |
| 06:34.29 | drybonevalley | note theres also a behavior involved thats altering some unit stats when this ability is used |
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| 08:12.10 | kingTD | http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/01/19/hearthstone-the-only-game-youall-ever-needa |
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| 08:22.14 | JademusSreg | Second arena session: 0-3 |
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| 08:31.43 | kingTD | game is hard |
| 08:33.25 | JademusSreg | No so much "hard" as "unbelievably terrible, why-did-I-do-that deck composition". |
| 08:36.43 | Kueken | tried a murloc deck? :) |
| 09:06.58 | Zolden | I feel like the only sane person in enchanted kingdom |
| 09:08.38 | Zolden | even Jade, the bulwark of reason, has fallen into sweet charms of eil conjurer |
| 09:11.36 | Zolden | kingTD waht should I change in mnm to make it hs-like addictive? |
| 09:12.51 | kingTD | make a totally new map with whole new gameplay design |
| 09:14.48 | Zolden | it's what we all trying to do and still fall into something that has been done before |
| 09:15.31 | Zolden | like hitler who simple wanted to unite the world and settle an ethernal piece and prosperity on the planet, but fell into banal war instead |
| 09:20.38 | Zolden | LoL brought $624M in 2013 http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/ |
| 09:20.48 | Zolden | wow - only $213M |
| 09:22.08 | Zolden | something someone invented and tested in arcade brought 0.6 billion dollars |
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| 10:07.24 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3DM2c5sBrE |
| 10:09.08 | Zolden | kingTD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBBu5vFSM-M |
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| 11:07.22 | Bommes | What's the maximum map size again? |
| 11:10.27 | Bommes | portrait textures are a bitch to change |
| 11:11.08 | Bommes | because if you set them to a smaller size (like 256x256 or 512x512) they look like shit, but if they are bigger they take so much space just to be imported |
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| 11:32.27 | kingTD | yay usual 1-3 run |
| 12:25.29 | Zolden | you all enslaved by a sweet soma, as Huxley predicted |
| 12:32.16 | Bommes | You can save multiplayer maps, right? |
| 12:32.23 | Bommes | Is it possible to make some kind of autosaves or checkpoints? |
| 12:32.26 | Bommes | via triggers |
| 12:33.57 | Bommes | oh, apparently you can't save multiplayer maps and it's just an offling test map feature |
| 12:34.03 | Bommes | too bad |
| 12:34.14 | Bommes | guess I have to make my own checkpoint bank system |
| 12:47.46 | Zolden | lol |
| 12:48.07 | Zolden | ukrainian rioters building catapultas to attack goverment forces |
| 12:50.57 | kingTD | they would better build siege towers |
| 12:52.02 | Bommes | what are they hurling at them? |
| 12:52.09 | Bommes | shit? |
| 12:56.53 | Zolden | stones and molotov coctails |
| 12:58.10 | Bommes | hm, that seems more dangerous |
| 12:58.29 | Bommes | somebody should tell them that they might hurt people, that's not cool. |
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| 13:05.52 | Zolden | it's winter there, frozen sharp shit can hurt too |
| 13:07.32 | Bommes | obviously I was talking about fresh, steaming excrements |
| 13:11.07 | Zolden | they would add this component for sure, but ppl can hardly generate some fresh shit when there explosions and screams and fire around everywhere, ppl don't shit when there's too many adrenaline in their blood |
| 13:12.22 | Bommes | Ha! So you think the expression "shit your pants" has no truth behind it? |
| 13:12.42 | Bommes | How foolish. |
| 13:12.52 | Zolden | whell, if someone get scared and shit his pants, that will be immediately used |
| 13:13.03 | Bommes | Exactly |
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| 14:31.34 | Kueken | xD |
| 14:31.53 | Kueken | did anyone, by any chance watch Hearthstone Fight Night videos? |
| 14:31.58 | Kueken | such a joke |
| 14:33.14 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KviNnwH0EE4&t=25s |
| 14:33.30 | Kueken | just watch the entrance, and you'll know what I mean |
| 14:39.43 | G0A | That 2 girl with glasses is a must |
| 14:42.28 | Kueken | especially the glasses |
| 14:42.36 | Kueken | want to relate to the nerds |
| 14:43.40 | G0A | thats the only thing related to nerds in them:D |
| 14:50.40 | Bommes | I didn't even know they had such a high production quality hearthstone show. |
| 14:55.25 | Zandose | whats a better idea? for dynamic pathing should i create pathing blockers or use triggers to force the players unit to not leave the path |
| 14:57.00 | G0A | 2nd |
| 14:57.21 | G0A | cause 2nd is more fun to do:D |
| 14:57.35 | Zandose | a |
| 14:59.11 | Zandose | what is it with you people? first i ask what model to use for reviving a unit and im told to make a reverse animations of the units death. fine fine. now i ask another simple question and im told to make some granddeos trigger system. |
| 15:03.08 | Zandose | thinking mode... I have two points for the path and I need to convert it into a region... |
| 15:08.40 | Zandose | maybe i need a nap. cant think stright |
| 15:10.04 | Zandose | can regions be uneven/lop-sided rectangles? |
| 15:12.49 | Zandose | regions can only take RegionRect ( fixed minx, fixed miny, fixed maxx, fixed maxy ) :( |
| 15:13.07 | Zandose | i go sleepy now |
| 15:18.29 | kingTD | u go do sleepy |
| 15:22.16 | Bommes | I would use Pathing Blockers |
| 15:23.01 | Bommes | actually I would use invisible units with footprints |
| 15:23.16 | Bommes | because it's easier to manage that with triggers than pathing blockers |
| 15:23.42 | Bommes | and from you saying its dynamic that probably means you will need triggers under any circumstances anyways |
| 15:25.40 | Dustin | Yeah I dont even understand what you're wanting to do |
| 15:26.06 | Dustin | Dynamically make a path that units have to stay on? Are these units player controlled? |
| 15:29.07 | Kueken | Zandose: Of course we will suggest the most complicated solution we can think of |
| 15:29.16 | Kueken | thats our duty as a mapper |
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| 16:47.30 | Redhasafn | Kueken, what was the way again to change the textures of geysers and rocks etc |
| 16:47.42 | Redhasafn | Which get changed for the tileset |
| 16:47.51 | Redhasafn | as in, the rocks ar different for lava maps and city maps etc |
| 16:52.48 | Redhasafn | ahh, texture applied groups |
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| 16:55.47 | Zandose | Sleepy time complete |
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| 17:41.45 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/733/h.gif |
| 17:41.46 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
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| 17:55.08 | Ahli | mapster doesn't load :S |
| 17:58.42 | G0A | works for me |
| 17:59.25 | Ahli | hmmm, odd =/ |
| 18:00.43 | Ahli | well, I assume, if it doesn't work, I've been banned for flooding as their login stuff doesn't work properly with opera and opera just goes back and forth the whole time |
| 18:00.59 | G0A | hehe |
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| 18:01.13 | G0A | I uses opera too, though I keep myself loged in |
| 18:01.14 | Ahli | or some other stuff isn't working that my connection uses |
| 18:01.30 | Ahli | me 2, but I accidentlially deleted the cookies with ccleaner :< |
| 18:01.51 | Ahli | and logging in didn't work this time with the method I was able to log in before... from a thread |
| 18:01.51 | G0A | when will someone make an as good browser as opera 12.16! |
| 18:01.59 | Ahli | main page -> login never worked for me, I think |
| 18:02.15 | Ahli | yeah, indeed |
| 18:03.20 | Ahli | irc, mail, twitter all in one window and one icon telling me about updates... tabs and grouping for pages... so awesome... you can have 50 tabs open, no real problem with usablility (try that in firefox... you can only see like 5 tabs at once at most) |
| 18:13.57 | Bommes | 50 tabs? I think this is a sign of beginning madness |
| 18:14.40 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31xjts9RbIs |
| 18:17.55 | rtschutter | does anyone have the ptr installed who might be willing to help me with something? |
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| 18:40.16 | G0A | kingTD it looks so bad that it might be good |
| 18:40.35 | kingTD | yeah |
| 18:40.43 | kingTD | like those space marines game |
| 19:55.56 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jr8pRJJBBc |
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| 19:56.46 | Necromoni | does NA map night still happen on saturdays? I feel like i keep missing it, or it's never up? |
| 19:58.14 | Zolden | it happens everytime |
| 19:59.38 | Necromoni | ok, thanks for clarifying |
| 20:01.11 | kingTD | it not lasting long |
| 20:01.31 | kingTD | 1 hour late few times before and it lasted for 2 hours mb |
| 20:02.00 | kingTD | as half of the player base mostly EU people that are ready to go to sleep |
| 20:03.21 | Necromoni | I guess I should just jump on EU Map night eh |
| 20:03.51 | Necromoni | the time for NA map night isnt really at night anyways |
| 20:03.53 | Necromoni | lol |
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| 20:04.23 | DeadZergling | Nice one Zolden, someone else thinks you are calling their map ugly, lol |
| 20:04.24 | kingTD | yeah noon or earlier |
| 20:06.02 | Necromoni | btw deadzergling my hero map doesnt have items >.>, so if that was ur problem |
| 20:06.40 | DeadZergling | haha nope, I hate those types of maps, items or no items |
| 20:06.44 | kingTD | deadz whats ur map that is ugly as shit? |
| 20:06.58 | Necromoni | lol |
| 20:07.09 | DeadZergling | is nothing personal Necromoni, I just don't likem |
| 20:07.11 | Necromoni | so you hate Heroes aswell? |
| 20:07.17 | Necromoni | i mean heroes of the storm |
| 20:07.27 | Necromoni | cant say Hots cuz theres 2 hots |
| 20:07.28 | DeadZergling | I have no interest in it, no |
| 20:07.47 | DeadZergling | crap together heroes with a few abilities each, spam units on both sides |
| 20:07.48 | Zolden | DeadZergling i know, i shoudn't have used that word |
| 20:07.51 | DeadZergling | call it a map |
| 20:07.53 | Zolden | gonna remove it |
| 20:08.11 | DeadZergling | that is how I feel about Custom Hero Wars types games |
| 20:08.12 | Necromoni | no AI controlled units either |
| 20:08.14 | Necromoni | but yeah |
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| 20:08.38 | DeadZergling | kingTD, you've seen it I think |
| 20:08.46 | Necromoni | Do you like melee tho? |
| 20:08.47 | DeadZergling | but is under hororpg under custom games |
| 20:08.50 | Necromoni | like sc2 melee? |
| 20:08.54 | DeadZergling | NOT arcade |
| 20:09.01 | DeadZergling | I'm not putting it in arcade until I think it is ready |
| 20:09.31 | Zolden | DeadZergling tell me as native english speaker, how "Nappy Destroyer" sounds as tower's name? |
| 20:09.35 | DeadZergling | Melee and me don't get along either, lol |
| 20:09.46 | Necromoni | sounds good |
| 20:09.49 | DeadZergling | Someone who disrupts the naptimes of toddlers? |
| 20:09.55 | Necromoni | sounds like it destroys sleep time |
| 20:09.57 | Necromoni | yeah |
| 20:10.12 | Zolden | does it sound like nappy against leaks? |
| 20:10.13 | Necromoni | its the freddy tower |
| 20:10.14 | Necromoni | lol |
| 20:10.19 | Zolden | lol |
| 20:10.26 | Necromoni | nappy against leaks? |
| 20:10.26 | DeadZergling | It isn't exactly a title that evokes fear or anything like that |
| 20:10.44 | Necromoni | it sounds like a tissue paper to be honest |
| 20:11.00 | DeadZergling | what is the tower supposed to do, Zolden? |
| 20:11.01 | Necromoni | idk why |
| 20:11.01 | Zolden | my dictionaley says that nappy is what ppl use against ass leaks |
| 20:11.12 | Necromoni | lol |
| 20:11.16 | Necromoni | yeah tissue paper |
| 20:11.17 | Zolden | DeadZergling supposed to not make ppl leak |
| 20:11.40 | Necromoni | the leakinator 2000 |
| 20:11.46 | Necromoni | its from the future |
| 20:11.57 | Zolden | yea, 2000 sounds futuristic |
| 20:12.04 | Necromoni | lol |
| 20:12.06 | DeadZergling | it did, 14 years ago |
| 20:12.11 | Necromoni | xD |
| 20:12.49 | DeadZergling | Simply Destroyer or Devastator |
| 20:12.52 | DeadZergling | works better imo |
| 20:13.03 | Zolden | Devastator will be upgraded version |
| 20:13.16 | Zolden | alright, at least it's not super bad |
| 20:13.27 | DeadZergling | Nappy just takes away from the awesomeness |
| 20:13.34 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:13.35 | DeadZergling | More words takes away meaning |
| 20:14.01 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:14.05 | Zolden | ty |
| 20:14.13 | Necromoni | wait, so it's suposed to cause your enemy to leak |
| 20:14.15 | DeadZergling | gonna make new buttons today I suppose |
| 20:14.16 | Necromoni | ? |
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| 20:14.35 | Zolden | no, just not let player to leak |
| 20:14.41 | DeadZergling | gonna take me a whole 5-10 minutes probably, and everyone will probably think they look so much better :P |
| 20:14.47 | Necromoni | oh it's supposed to protect you from leaking |
| 20:15.00 | Zolden | DeadZergling good idea |
| 20:15.10 | DeadZergling | gonna hide the minimize buttons on the top left menus too |
| 20:15.22 | DeadZergling | so people like Zolden don't accidentally close them |
| 20:15.24 | MoonEater916 | Hey when a mineral patch is mined out it dies right? |
| 20:15.33 | DeadZergling | it poofs, aye |
| 20:15.43 | Necromoni | it poofs but idk if it's registered dead |
| 20:15.50 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 20:15.54 | MoonEater916 | thats what i was thinking 2 |
| 20:16.02 | Necromoni | its most likely tho |
| 20:16.09 | Bommes | it actually just goes invisible and teleports on a random point on the map |
| 20:16.13 | Necromoni | unless theres an event resource deposit |
| 20:16.19 | MoonEater916 | i was wondering if i could pick it up with unit die event |
| 20:16.23 | Necromoni | lol |
| 20:16.46 | DeadZergling | well if it doesn't moon |
| 20:16.55 | DeadZergling | you could always give them a behavior with a final effect |
| 20:17.02 | DeadZergling | that would catch it |
| 20:17.03 | MoonEater916 | oh thats true |
| 20:17.06 | MoonEater916 | yes....... |
| 20:18.01 | DeadZergling | anyways, been spending hours on my mountain area lately, hopefully it turns out the way I want |
| 20:18.23 | DeadZergling | going for cliff levels counts far above the norm |
| 20:20.58 | DeadZergling | is rather experimental though, don't think it has successfully been done yet, lol |
| 20:24.10 | Necromoni | Did you add me yet btw |
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| 20:24.30 | DeadZergling | like I said yesterday, is no adding to do |
| 20:24.47 | DeadZergling | the map is public, just under an obscure name in custom maps (not arcade) |
| 20:24.49 | Necromoni | oh |
| 20:29.25 | Necromoni | Anyone else have a problem with the battle.net client, starcraft 2 stuck on some update? |
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| 20:47.29 | Zolden | DeadZergling "open icon" should be diffrent for each dialog, and represent its content |
| 20:48.16 | Zolden | "close icon" can be not icon, jsut "X", a letter |
| 20:48.31 | Zolden | I don't see why should it be more complex than a letter |
| 20:48.44 | DeadZergling | was going for impossible to miss |
| 20:48.56 | Zolden | it can be made red with a <color> tag |
| 20:49.18 | Zolden | it can be bigger with <style> tag |
| 20:49.35 | Zolden | it can be bold with style too |
| 20:49.53 | DeadZergling | just a letter seems so bleh though |
| 20:50.37 | Zolden | i wish you read that book first, before doing anything |
| 20:51.14 | DeadZergling | doesn't seem to have a 32 by 32 button section |
| 20:51.16 | DeadZergling | I have been reading it |
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| 20:53.13 | Zolden | hmm... I remember one of the "rules" concerning icons: it shouldn't be smaller than mouse cursor |
| 20:53.59 | Zolden | and, as usual, it should be as simple as possible |
| 20:54.14 | Zolden | you used red and green colors, there should be a reason for |
| 20:54.45 | Zolden | close/open are neutral function, while green/red colors provde positive/negative sense into it |
| 20:55.40 | Zolden | anyway, reading that book doesn't give solutions for each situation, it gives a way of thinking, the understanding of how visual design work |
| 20:56.22 | DeadZergling | right, red to me means kill that, terminate it |
| 20:56.26 | DeadZergling | while green means open it |
| 20:57.07 | Zolden | yea, and you could use color as a background, and as a color of the "x"/"+" sign |
| 20:57.19 | Zolden | the latter would be less noisy |
| 20:57.48 | Zolden | but it's a local view |
| 20:58.03 | Zolden | you have other dialogs, and if they all look different, it's noise |
| 20:58.19 | Zolden | if they all have the same style, it's easier to udnerstand |
| 20:58.43 | Zolden | so, before creating elements like those icons, u could create the style of dialots |
| 21:02.22 | DeadZergling | seems like part of learning good design is becoming very boring and thinking very little of all people, the way this reading is going |
| 21:02.35 | Kueken1 | heh |
| 21:03.01 | Kueken | playing hearthstone again, arena as a warrior, got no weapons 2/3 |
| 21:03.12 | Kueken | picking paladin again currently 8/0 |
| 21:03.39 | Kueken | somehow the balance seems a little bit off |
| 21:05.38 | Bommes | Warrior is just pretty shitty in arena |
| 21:05.53 | Bommes | Warlock as well |
| 21:17.14 | DeadZergling | xkcd speaks good truth today: http://xkcd.com/1319/ |
| 21:19.53 | Zandose | is it possible to make a region which is not a rectangle, square, or circle? |
| 21:20.04 | Zandose | like a lopsided rectangle |
| 21:21.34 | DeadZergling | is possible to combine regions to make shapes you want, including negative regions |
| 21:21.46 | DeadZergling | but only what you can assemble with squares, diamonds, and circles |
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| 21:26.34 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
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| 21:26.43 | ArcanePariah | Anything blown up in here |
| 21:27.11 | DeadZergling | Oh, the more I read Zolden's design book link, the more I wish for the death of all humans |
| 21:27.52 | ArcanePariah | Well, we are quite a contradiction at times |
| 21:33.18 | DeadZergling | other than that, been trying to further work my mountain area along, could all explode in my face at the end though, experimental, lol |
| 21:37.46 | Zandose | How do I solve this? I have two points which are a path and it has a width of 4. how do i stop the unit from leaving the path? |
| 21:38.22 | Zandose | stares at G0A |
| 21:39.04 | Ahli | more checkpoints |
| 21:39.27 | Zandose | i was thinking some kind of math thing |
| 21:39.46 | Ahli | time to play reapur of lulz :) |
| 21:39.56 | Zandose | d3 exp? |
| 21:40.25 | Ahli | yes |
| 21:41.26 | Zandose | im going to quite when it comes out |
| 21:41.36 | Zandose | blizz pissed me off too much with d3 |
| 21:42.11 | DeadZergling | just box them in with pathing tool |
| 21:42.42 | Zandose | cant use premade pathing |
| 21:43.43 | DeadZergling | box them in with square units lined up? |
| 21:44.19 | Zandose | was hoping not to use pathing blockers and instead use a trigger which checks if the unit is moving off the path |
| 21:44.37 | DeadZergling | why, pathing tool would be a once over, done |
| 21:44.45 | DeadZergling | what benefit would using triggers have? |
| 21:44.55 | Zandose | im making a dynamic map |
| 21:45.07 | Zandose | a random map |
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| 21:46.12 | Zandose | guess i could make pathing blockers or units temp |
| 21:47.37 | ArcanePariah | The JademusSreg has arrived, with an answer perhaps, in a mystical form |
| 21:47.49 | Zandose | so on another note, what should i use for the pathing blocker? I want something which is low resource |
| 21:48.12 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 21:48.17 | Zandose | for me? |
| 21:48.23 | ArcanePariah | Invisible unit (No Draw Flag), and 1x1 footprint, blizzard made them already, just use theirs |
| 21:48.29 | Zandose | k |
| 21:48.42 | Zandose | is unit required? |
| 21:49.10 | ArcanePariah | Yes, just use the one Blizzard provided, the Dynamic Pathing Blocker 1x1 |
| 21:49.15 | ArcanePariah | they have several |
| 21:49.52 | Zandose | found them but was wondering that since its a unit, and therefore has unit data, that it might takes too many resouces |
| 21:49.58 | ArcanePariah | they got every size square up to 16 x 16 (1,2,3,4,8,16) |
| 21:50.35 | ArcanePariah | Well no, since the unit data that is used by your map will be non existent, since you are just using a unit from the blizz dependencies, and the map can support quite a few units |
| 21:50.46 | ArcanePariah | Unless we are talking like 100K units or something crazy |
| 21:50.56 | JademusSreg | Or if you're making a long horizontal/vertical barrier, use a single one with a custom footprint. |
| 21:51.01 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 21:51.30 | ArcanePariah | Create a new footprint, give it the unit, and make it no draw, so it needs no actor or model |
| 21:51.45 | ArcanePariah | (At least I think no draw removes the actor/model needs) |
| 21:51.58 | Zandose | k |
| 21:52.08 | Zandose | ill start with basics for now |
| 21:53.07 | ArcanePariah | Nvm, it does have an actor and model, guess it just doesn't show thme in game lol |
| 21:53.35 | ArcanePariah | Ahh yes, it has an invisible model, and the editor model is different |
| 21:53.42 | ArcanePariah | Forgot that you can do that trick |
| 21:54.51 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, is there any real performance gain to having unit actors that do not derive from Blizzards default ones, and thus have less events in their definitions? |
| 21:55.13 | ArcanePariah | I assume Blizzard made theirs fairly generic to handle a wide variety of cases |
| 21:55.52 | ArcanePariah | In short, is it a better idea to create my own unit default? |
| 21:56.09 | JademusSreg | So far as I am aware, there's no performance difference. |
| 21:56.32 | ArcanePariah | So I should only roll my own for organizational purposes |
| 21:56.39 | JademusSreg | But less clutter is preferable for the user, yes. |
| 21:57.15 | ArcanePariah | Like... all the events for construction, for flyer helper, for death by phoenix graviton, all are kind of superflous |
| 21:59.42 | JademusSreg | Yeah, hate that junk. |
| 22:00.26 | Zandose | if i place pathing blockers with triggers will the game auto handle it?\ |
| 22:00.46 | JademusSreg | If they are units, not doodads. |
| 22:00.56 | Zandose | k |
| 22:00.58 | Zandose | ty |
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| 22:11.25 | Zandose | k think its done |
| 22:23.30 | Ahli | can't log into PTR sc2 editor while being in D3RoS game :X |
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| 22:31.42 | DeadZergling | so in terms of design, how bad is buttons varying with menus? :P |
| 22:33.50 | ArcanePariah | Depends on the buttons |
| 22:34.12 | ArcanePariah | Buttons with similar functionality (Close, Next, Menu, navigation) should remain consistent |
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| 22:37.04 | Ahli | ./facepalm I tried the speed # command in a replay |
| 22:37.29 | DeadZergling | I see, just according to some people my dialogs have enough noise to choke a herd of cows to death |
| 22:37.35 | DeadZergling | so trying to improve things as I can |
| 22:40.16 | MoonEater916 | DeadZergling |
| 22:40.26 | MoonEater916 | what would be the most efficient way to create a aura? |
| 22:40.38 | MoonEater916 | apply behavior every second? |
| 22:40.53 | DeadZergling | can you describe what you want in more detail? |
| 22:41.17 | MoonEater916 | well i was thinking of making a revival aura |
| 22:41.27 | MoonEater916 | units that die close to an unit |
| 22:41.32 | MoonEater916 | will revive |
| 22:41.40 | MoonEater916 | i was thinking doing it via trigger |
| 22:41.41 | MoonEater916 | brb |
| 22:41.51 | DeadZergling | well, no point to doing it via trigger entirely |
| 22:41.58 | MoonEater916 | just the behavior |
| 22:41.59 | Zolden | MoonEater916 usually aura is a behavior that periodically searches area around the caster and applies an behavior with time t + 0.125, where t is aura behavior period |
| 22:42.02 | MoonEater916 | when destruction |
| 22:42.08 | DeadZergling | you could easily make a behavior, do a periodic search |
| 22:42.08 | MoonEater916 | i figured |
| 22:42.13 | MoonEater916 | i just worried about lag |
| 22:42.27 | DeadZergling | and if something = a corpse |
| 22:42.36 | DeadZergling | do something to signal the triggers to revive them |
| 22:43.08 | DeadZergling | if the search area is small, can get away with .0625 pretty easily |
| 22:43.27 | DeadZergling | although revival, no faster than .5 should really be needed |
| 22:43.38 | Zolden | 1 sec period for auar is enough |
| 22:43.46 | Zolden | no reasons to make it less than 1 s |
| 22:44.18 | Zolden | unless your units are very fast |
| 22:44.42 | DeadZergling | I dislike 1 sec personally, as it tends to miss |
| 22:45.02 | Zolden | yea, depends on your situation, make it as big as you can afford |
| 22:45.20 | DeadZergling | revive aura, can get away w/ 1 second though |
| 22:45.26 | Zolden | because perfomance is precious |
| 22:45.29 | DeadZergling | isn't like the corpse is gonna move away |
| 22:47.58 | Zolden | if you show them your dialogs, they will move away super fast scared to death |
| 22:48.50 | Dustin | lol my map upload keeps failing at 65%, coool. |
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| 22:51.30 | DeadZergling | Question, if I want a button to show go to Ice Skill Tree, should the button just say Ice Skill Tree, or would a picture of ice be better, lol |
| 22:53.34 | Zolden | dunno... I'd probably use only light blue colored text |
| 22:53.38 | Zolden | or teal |
| 22:53.57 | Zolden | some cold bright blueish |
| 22:54.14 | Zolden | image can be visual noise or a help |
| 22:54.25 | Zolden | depends on context |
| 22:54.32 | Zolden | and on image |
| 22:57.26 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling, the classic approach would be to have button with a tooltip state Ice Skill Tree or a Label above it with the same, and the image of the button set to a snowflake |
| 22:57.55 | DeadZergling | was thinking of keeping the basic dialogs for skill trees roughly the same, dark background so the buttons look better, but also wanted to put frames around the skills based on what they were |
| 22:58.13 | DeadZergling | like icy borders for ice skill tree, some sort of volcanic rock border for fire, etc |
| 22:58.17 | ArcanePariah | Then you should create a UI template |
| 22:58.20 | ArcanePariah | for each type |
| 22:59.15 | DeadZergling | can you elaborate more AP, we may be talking about the same thing here, but not sure |
| 23:00.12 | ArcanePariah | You would create the button frame in the UI module and use the Create Dialog Item from Template action. Alternatively you could create a function that does the same, create a button and based on a paramter, assigns the correct border image to the button |
| 23:01.11 | DeadZergling | ah got you, I have something in mind already, just trying to throw the ideas out here first |
| 23:01.22 | DeadZergling | to ensure I'm not well on my way to killing an elephant next |
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| 23:03.26 | DeadZergling | better design being simpler kills me though, that sounds too easy... |
| 23:15.41 | A1win | wtf is this hunter deck, I can't beat it no matter how much I try to adjust my deck to counter it |
| 23:15.53 | A1win | and 50% of people in ranked use it |
| 23:15.58 | A1win | that I meet |
| 23:26.05 | A1win | and now this deck is utter crap against some other decks ;p |
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| 23:38.16 | DeadZergling | time to change buses A1win ? |
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| 23:57.09 | drybonevalley | When editing the Cost+ field of a modify player effect, is it expected that you should have to manually type in the ability link and its not auto populated like the ability version? |
| 23:59.49 | Kueken | I had the same issue yesterday |
