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| 01:27.06 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, does anyone understand how Markers work? |
| 01:27.45 | ArcanePariah | So far the only examples I have seen of them is in Create Persistents with offsets, they seem to prevent a given persistent from a given effect tree of hitting the same unit more then once |
| 01:32.26 | Dustin | Anyone know how to edit a hotkey ingame? |
| 01:32.29 | Dustin | On the command card |
| 01:33.23 | ArcanePariah | Options -> Hotkey? |
| 01:34.46 | Dustin | No I mean from script |
| 01:34.54 | Dustin | I might have found something |
| 01:36.35 | ArcanePariah | Well hotkeys are defined in the Button |
| 01:36.46 | ArcanePariah | So maybe a catalog write to that field |
| 01:37.07 | Dustin | Catalog write straight ot the hotkey doesnt work |
| 01:37.12 | Dustin | Just blanks it out |
| 01:37.21 | Dustin | I think it has to do with the actuall hotkey being a preset |
| 01:37.49 | ArcanePariah | Oh that's right, hotkets are text entries, so you need to write the text entry value |
| 01:37.54 | Dustin | Fuck and this workaround to edit the flag "show hotkey" is protected |
| 01:38.07 | Dustin | Do you know how to get that? |
| 01:38.15 | ArcanePariah | Yes, in the text module |
| 01:38.22 | ArcanePariah | Look in there to see all text value ids |
| 01:39.16 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 01:39.47 | Dustin | gotcha |
| 01:39.59 | ArcanePariah | Basically you don't write the value, you write the ID, kind of like not putting a variable, put its pointer |
| 01:40.25 | ArcanePariah | And this applies to any field that is text |
| 01:40.43 | ArcanePariah | The editor autogenerates most entries and catagorizes them for you, but you can always add your own |
| 01:42.48 | ArcanePariah | Yoink, sup JademusSreg, Markers? |
| 01:44.33 | JademusSreg | Markers aren't very interesting, just marks stuff for logic. For instance, in a number of abilities involving overlapping search/damage areas, markers are used to prevent effects from being applied more than once per unit. |
| 01:45.10 | JademusSreg | In other words, a kind of filter within the scope of the effect tree. |
| 01:46.18 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so basically for markers, it is to state that this effect may only applied once per effect tree, correct? |
| 01:46.39 | ArcanePariah | Or however many the count is |
| 01:47.19 | JademusSreg | That's how it is often used. |
| 01:47.41 | JademusSreg | It can mark for different shit, though, as shown in the checkboxes. |
| 01:50.11 | JademusSreg | If you'd rather mark with a different value and filter on that basis, you can, though one usually wouldn't want to mark with any other reference. |
| 01:51.18 | ArcanePariah | Wait hmm... yeah, you can mark by Id, Link, Player, or Unit so hmm.... |
| 01:52.31 | ArcanePariah | Wait... what if the Count field is the max number of times this effect can impact a target in this effect tree? |
| 01:52.33 | Dustin | damnit it's not working |
| 01:52.34 | Dustin | Catalog - Set value of Buttons Attack Hotkey for player Player to "PresetValue/Name/lib_Ntve_00000302" |
| 01:52.39 | Dustin | Looks legit right? |
| 01:53.00 | ArcanePariah | Yes, no go? |
| 01:53.13 | Dustin | Nope just blanks it out still |
| 01:54.52 | JademusSreg | Probably not a good idea to attempt getting an externalized string of editor text. |
| 01:56.16 | Dustin | Do you know how I'd hide a hotkey from an ability? |
| 01:56.20 | Dustin | Then restore it |
| 01:56.31 | JademusSreg | A single ability? |
| 01:57.18 | JademusSreg | Could use alternate buttons in the same slot, toggle their state using requirements. |
| 01:57.19 | Dustin | ya |
| 02:00.40 | DeadZergling | Explanations I got about them were fuzzy at best, and this was from Kueken, lol |
| 02:01.47 | ArcanePariah | I think markers will be deprecated in the future |
| 02:02.23 | DeadZergling | they were fairly useful for an ability where I only wanted a target to get hit so many times |
| 02:02.59 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, but you can limit that in the search effects, damage effects, any effect can be capped already |
| 02:03.16 | ArcanePariah | Mostly with Exclude and Include |
| 02:03.21 | DeadZergling | not exactly |
| 02:03.36 | Dustin | lol it hides both |
| 02:03.40 | DeadZergling | Say you have a giant AE ability, with searches going off already |
| 02:03.47 | DeadZergling | err, searches going all over |
| 02:03.48 | Dustin | Where do I put the requirement if not on the ability |
| 02:04.02 | DeadZergling | is possible to limit the number of times it can hit a specific target to 5 or such |
| 02:04.14 | JademusSreg | Dustin, in the command card button. |
| 02:05.10 | Dustin | Theres no requirement area in here |
| 02:05.21 | JademusSreg | Which data are you in? |
| 02:05.30 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling, if you have overlapping searches, you can each search apply a marker and then for each subsequent search, compare behavior count |
| 02:05.39 | ArcanePariah | can have* |
| 02:05.43 | DeadZergling | behavior count is crap |
| 02:05.54 | DeadZergling | multiple abilities can interfere with each other |
| 02:06.04 | Dustin | http://puu.sh/6mryV.png |
| 02:06.59 | ArcanePariah | In that case, yes, markers are useful, but it does feel like a narrow application, limiting effects from only that effect tree, and never using search count in any search fields, nor target sort requests |
| 02:08.17 | JademusSreg | Ah, I was thinking of the passive buttons, and also ability commands. Guess it would be done from the ability commands, probably use a Redirect ability, which is sucky. More importantly, why would you want to toggle said hotkey? |
| 02:08.21 | DeadZergling | while I haven't found a lot of uses for markers outside of ID |
| 02:08.43 | Dustin | Cause you can transition into TPS mode |
| 02:08.52 | Dustin | and that doesnt work well with WASD |
| 02:08.53 | DeadZergling | link, player, and unit isn't completely useless either |
| 02:09.36 | ArcanePariah | True, they can be used, it is just their application and necessity is very narrow in scope, which probably explains its relative non use |
| 02:09.56 | DeadZergling | and why they are mysterious to most, lol |
| 02:09.58 | Dustin | And if I dont show the button, I can't issue an attack order from script either |
| 02:10.10 | Dustin | Cause I tried just hiding it with a requirement on the SHOW area |
| 02:11.05 | ArcanePariah | ??? That is weird Dustin, I routinely issue orders to units with Abilities that don't even have a button on the command card (they do have a default button, just never viewed) |
| 02:11.25 | Dustin | That's what i thought too, I might investigatet hat |
| 02:11.41 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I never put buttons on code-controlled units. |
| 02:11.42 | ArcanePariah | Though mine are not hidden by requirements for show. I think Show does cascade to Use |
| 02:12.15 | ArcanePariah | So if a Show is unfulfilled, it will not be available to Use either, the logic being that if you can't show it, you can't use it either |
| 02:12.31 | ArcanePariah | Which makes some sense |
| 02:12.45 | ArcanePariah | But is annoying for script control |
| 02:13.13 | ArcanePariah | To get around that, I would sugguest having no requirement directly on the ability, but use a player requirement validator in the root effect |
| 02:13.54 | ArcanePariah | Such that the button can be seen, but still need the requirement fufilled to actually use |
| 02:14.19 | ArcanePariah | Also probably a custom error message might be in order as well |
| 02:14.58 | JademusSreg | (Note that root effect validation will respond with an error on failure unless otherwise configured.) |
| 02:15.26 | Dustin | Well I still want it to attack when I tell it too |
| 02:16.20 | ArcanePariah | On a random topic, does anyone else have the editor UI bug up on certain screens, where it messes up rendering |
| 02:18.16 | JademusSreg | Ah, I can induce it to happen. |
| 02:18.44 | ArcanePariah | http://imgur.com/Yl028nd |
| 02:18.49 | ArcanePariah | This is an example |
| 02:19.04 | JademusSreg | Oh, not what I meant, haha. |
| 02:19.14 | JademusSreg | Nope, not had that happen. |
| 02:19.30 | ArcanePariah | Also for some reason it takes far longer to open said screens |
| 02:19.35 | JademusSreg | Though it's happened with various other editor frames. |
| 02:19.44 | ArcanePariah | Most other screens open near instantly |
| 02:20.58 | ArcanePariah | I'm thinking it is something I've configured weirdly in my OS or editor |
| 02:22.23 | ArcanePariah | Also, the Function validator is really weird, I think I understand how it works, but not entirely |
| 02:22.30 | JademusSreg | Problem with the editor xml data, problem parsing the editor xml data, or problem rendering the native frames. |
| 02:23.30 | ArcanePariah | or worse, problem with the editor registry entries |
| 02:24.31 | JademusSreg | Skeptical. |
| 02:25.06 | JademusSreg | If the bug is consistent, I expect it's a problem in the editor xml. |
| 02:25.38 | Dustin | This is frustrating |
| 02:25.53 | Dustin | Something so simple and I've spent so long on it lol |
| 02:26.34 | DeadZergling | seems like it'd be simpler to make a trigger based dialog for this stuff, lol |
| 02:26.47 | Dustin | For real |
| 02:27.39 | DeadZergling | I'm trying to avoid putting that on my list at the moment, but may add a semi-diablo like spell bar for those who prefer to play that way |
| 02:28.18 | Dustin | im gonna try to show and hide it again real fast after I issue the order |
| 02:29.58 | JademusSreg | Madness. =D |
| 02:30.05 | Dustin | Aaaand it worked |
| 02:30.09 | Dustin | Fuck my life |
| 02:30.27 | Dustin | Dont even see it blinking and it dosent effect my wads |
| 02:30.28 | Dustin | wasd |
| 02:30.52 | JademusSreg | prefers the "wads" acronym. |
| 02:31.16 | Dustin | haha |
| 02:31.31 | JademusSreg | Hm, not sure if it's an acronym, but "wads" is more amusing. |
| 02:32.28 | DeadZergling | wasd is for weirdos, I'll still prefer asdf |
| 02:32.52 | JademusSreg | "fads" |
| 02:33.17 | DeadZergling | congrats JademusSreg, you have discovered how to rearrange letters. |
| 02:33.31 | JademusSreg | Yep, pretty badasss. |
| 02:34.07 | ArcanePariah | Here we go... Anagram practice time.... featuring JademusSreg |
| 02:35.24 | JademusSreg | http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=JademusSreg |
| 02:36.48 | DeadZergling | here is a fun one |
| 02:36.52 | DeadZergling | AssJugDreem |
| 02:37.03 | JademusSreg | Niiice. "A Dress Me Jug" |
| 02:37.07 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 02:37.39 | ArcanePariah | Mine is far more entertaining me thinks |
| 02:37.43 | ArcanePariah | http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=ArcanePariah&t=1000&a=n |
| 02:37.53 | ArcanePariah | The first entry is amusing |
| 02:38.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah, your name makes for some great, intelligible anagrams. |
| 02:38.31 | DeadZergling | Lazing Dredge isn't a bad one for me |
| 02:38.48 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a MtG card. |
| 02:38.51 | DeadZergling | Dread Leg Zing |
| 02:39.20 | JademusSreg | 1 black, 1 any, return creature from graveyard, bury at end of turn. |
| 02:39.33 | DeadZergling | I am also an alcohol it seems |
| 02:39.34 | DeadZergling | Glazed Red Gin |
| 02:39.44 | JademusSreg | Put that in a map. |
| 02:41.24 | DeadZergling | Perhaps, might work as a substitute for Blood Star |
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| 02:45.22 | Dustin | This TPS mode for the heroes on my map is getting a lot more viable now. |
| 02:46.10 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, this is a rather bad anagram for me.... Dad Zinger Gel |
| 02:47.07 | JademusSreg | Last thing you want is your dad to zing some gel on you. |
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| 03:17.52 | Ahli_ | hmm, weren't command card buttons able to move around when simple command card is enabled? i somehow thought that would be possible... |
| 03:18.11 | Ahli | also, good morning |
| 03:28.21 | ArcanePariah | Good morning :D |
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| 04:02.16 | ThunderLord | Anyone wana help test a game tonight? |
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| 05:29.07 | Bounty | Pew |
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| 06:08.50 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 06:09.21 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
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| 06:20.06 | JademusSreg | Hm, inventory hotkeys, those are desirable. |
| 06:34.04 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, the problem with those are they are only for the base inventory slots, they do not work inside inventory containers |
| 06:34.30 | ArcanePariah | So if you want hotkeys, you are locked into 6 (7?) inventory slots total |
| 06:34.44 | ArcanePariah | Can't use the 7*64 possible |
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| 07:17.11 | MoonEater916 | hi guys |
| 07:17.35 | Zolden | hi fatty |
| 07:19.11 | MoonEater916 | wha? |
| 07:19.20 | MoonEater916 | me? |
| 07:23.30 | Zolden | yes\ |
| 07:23.37 | Zolden | it's the only way i can greert ppl |
| 07:24.23 | G0A | Zoilden Seems like Iran and Russia partially going into Stewox: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-15/wednesday-humor-iran-has-incontrovertible-proof-us-run-aliens |
| 07:25.49 | Zolden | because Stewox is right |
| 07:25.54 | Zolden | by each point |
| 07:26.04 | Zolden | ppl just afraid to meet the trueth |
| 07:28.02 | MoonEater916 | meh |
| 07:29.41 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 07:29.48 | MoonEater916 | i miss stweox |
| 07:30.38 | MoonEater916 | is it me or is the sound synx fked up |
| 07:41.58 | JademusSreg | Arc, I was thinking more along the lines of modifying the layouts to support inventory hotkeys. |
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| 07:43.07 | ArcanePariah | In what way? |
| 07:44.02 | JademusSreg | By adding hotkeys to the button frames. =D |
| 07:44.32 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, where would the hotkeys show up to be defined or would you just predefine them? |
| 07:45.33 | ArcanePariah | On an random note, the 1st listed person for my kickstarter has an excellent name |
| 07:45.34 | JademusSreg | I'd probably just predefine them, at least initially. Customization is secondary to functionality. |
| 07:45.49 | ArcanePariah | The name + avatar is just lolzy |
| 07:45.52 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 07:45.54 | ArcanePariah | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1460615966/night-of-the-dead-ii/backers |
| 07:46.08 | MoonEater916 | lolzy |
| 07:46.11 | ArcanePariah | Half think it is Zolden |
| 07:46.14 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 07:46.35 | JademusSreg | We know it's not Bounty. |
| 07:46.41 | JademusSreg | That much is certain. |
| 07:46.43 | ArcanePariah | If it didn't place the person in Wisconsin, I would have thought it to be Zolden |
| 07:46.52 | MoonEater916 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.06 | MoonEater916 | How could u say its not bounty... |
| 07:52.09 | JademusSreg | Bounty lives in jersey. Also, doubt he would kickstart in general. |
| 07:59.19 | MoonEater916 | hes a communist tho.. |
| 07:59.30 | MoonEater916 | comunistprime could so be him |
| 07:59.39 | JademusSreg | People imagine they are all sorts of things. |
| 08:00.38 | grim001 | So the project I've been working on will be wrapped up in a few days... I've learned just about everything I can from creating that demo project. |
| 08:01.03 | JademusSreg | Cool, what's next? |
| 08:02.16 | grim001 | Something small that will help me learn OpenGL / lwjgl / LibGDX and decide what I want to use as a basis for the "real" game. |
| 08:02.45 | grim001 | I've done reading about various rendering methods and I should try to gain some experience with each of them. |
| 08:03.21 | grim001 | Oh, and something that will give me an opportunity to practice writing shaders. |
| 08:03.57 | Zolden | communist prime :) |
| 08:04.58 | grim001 | At least while I'm doing all this "research" the art will still be making progress. |
| 08:05.03 | JademusSreg | Shaders, so fun. Especially when one doesn't strive for realistic rendering. |
| 08:05.44 | grim001 | That beholder creature I showed you a screenshot of turned out to require 192 unqiue frames of animation. |
| 08:05.56 | JademusSreg | Ouch. |
| 08:06.21 | grim001 | Yeah, it's done now, but each creature is rather time consuming. |
| 08:07.00 | Zolden | JademusSreg what are minimal requirements for a computational system bo develop a consciosness? |
| 08:07.26 | JademusSreg | Self-modeling. |
| 08:08.47 | grim001 | A project with a similar graphical style, Project Zomboid, switched to using 3D models converted into sprites |
| 08:09.00 | grim001 | but they lost quite a bit of personality in the graphics during that switch |
| 08:09.35 | grim001 | on the other hand, it cut down the work load and increased the smoothness of animation. |
| 08:10.11 | JademusSreg | So it must be capable of predictive modeling, of course, which isn't trivial. But once it self-models and can make predictions about itself, it can be called "self-aware". |
| 08:10.40 | Zolden | JademusSreg can self-modelling make system understand that it exists and say "wow"? |
| 08:10.52 | JademusSreg | grim, detailed 3d models and cell-shading? |
| 08:11.54 | grim001 | I wouldn't say the models are detailed, maybe about as detailed as your typical wc3 model |
| 08:11.59 | JademusSreg | Zol, that's predicated on so many other systems, so not by itself. |
| 08:13.49 | JademusSreg | grim, you mean PZ or the models you would employ? |
| 08:14.08 | Zolden | JademusSreg how will system know that it's modelling itself and not another system? and how will it know that it is modelling something and not just calculating alot of stuff? Can self-modelling be indifferent automatic calculating with no signs of true consciousness, or it implies what humans understand under consciousness? |
| 08:14.49 | JademusSreg | "True", frequently an unnecessary, deceptive qualifier. |
| 08:15.26 | grim001 | I don't think a self-aware system can be programmed deliberately by humans. I think it's more feasible to use an evolutionary algorithm over the course of billions of iterations... pretty much the same way that intelligence evolved in reality. |
| 08:16.02 | Zolden | is consciousness deceptive by its nature? or it's something objectively existing? |
| 08:16.25 | Ahli | jade, units within a bunker don't seem to have a damage point :X |
| 08:16.46 | ArcanePariah | What is damage point anyhow? |
| 08:17.02 | JademusSreg | Also, while modeling certainly depends on many systems (environmental awareness, learning, abstraction), one should not attach to it unnecessary assumptions, such as communication or intelligibility. |
| 08:17.04 | grim001 | Jade, the PZ models look kinda like low poly cell shaded stuff. But I know 3d modeling is rather difficult, so I'm dubious about the amount of hours it would save in long run, and at what cost to the graphical style. |
| 08:17.20 | Zolden | because units within bunker busy making butt sex to each other |
| 08:17.46 | ArcanePariah | so butt orgy in the bunker... sounds like Zolden normal Friday nights, right? |
| 08:17.53 | JademusSreg | grim, 3d model usage just seems like a good application of DRY principles. |
| 08:18.18 | JademusSreg | Ahli, what reference are you using in the location to access them? |
| 08:18.22 | Ahli | yeah, but it's bad when you want to add a buff when "Unit starts attacking" |
| 08:19.37 | Zolden | JademusSreg where is the difference between existence and self-modelling? atom core communicates with its electron cloud, exchanging virtual photones, they aware of each other. Are they exist or self-modelling? |
| 08:19.46 | ArcanePariah | So 1st question, JademusSreg, what is Damage Point? |
| 08:20.08 | JademusSreg | Ahli, Inner vs Outer. |
| 08:20.15 | grim001 | damage point is the point in the animation cycle that damage in inflicted on the target, if it's anything like WC3. |
| 08:20.17 | JademusSreg | Which are you using? |
| 08:20.26 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/GGGtT.jpg that :D |
| 08:20.48 | ArcanePariah | Ermm... |
| 08:21.16 | ArcanePariah | Why not do that in data? |
| 08:21.23 | Ahli | damage point = time a weapon stares at the enemy before the effect is played |
| 08:21.35 | JademusSreg | Don't think I can work with that. I can check the APIs, but so far as I recall, there's no reference the code can use to reach the inner unit from that event. |
| 08:22.17 | Ahli | because I'm only fixing bugs and I don't want to alter 30 weapons and I don't want them to freak out when they change/add units and need to add that |
| 08:22.31 | ArcanePariah | Oh... |
| 08:22.35 | ArcanePariah | Uggh... |
| 08:22.49 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, that is something that should be done entirely in data |
| 08:22.56 | ArcanePariah | With a damage respones behavior |
| 08:23.31 | Ahli | damage response doesn't save the cliff level info when attacked by a missile, correct? |
| 08:23.56 | Ahli | also, damage responses have no validator |
| 08:24.04 | Ahli | afaIk |
| 08:24.08 | ArcanePariah | The behavior doesn't, the handled effect will |
| 08:24.30 | Ahli | handle effect = deal less damage to me, oh no, you already handled it, damned |
| 08:24.38 | ArcanePariah | No |
| 08:24.44 | JademusSreg | Double-checked, not obviously doable. |
| 08:24.46 | ArcanePariah | Handle effect runs before damage is applied |
| 08:24.48 | JademusSreg | From code. |
| 08:24.50 | Ahli | also, only for that one attack, not the other attacks in the same game frame afterwards |
| 08:25.21 | ArcanePariah | So you can do a damage respone that applies a buff with a a damage repsone that will modify the daamage |
| 08:25.34 | JademusSreg | *tick/update |
| 08:25.36 | ArcanePariah | I know it sounds wonky as hell |
| 08:25.39 | ArcanePariah | But it does work |
| 08:26.09 | ArcanePariah | The impression I get is Damage responses can be nested |
| 08:26.24 | ArcanePariah | So you can bounce them back and forth quite a bit |
| 08:26.33 | Ahli | uhm, how would the damage response be removed after reducing the attack's damage? |
| 08:27.06 | JademusSreg | Single tick duration or a self-removing effect, I'd aimagine. |
| 08:27.08 | ArcanePariah | Option 1, set the behavior duration to very very small |
| 08:27.20 | ArcanePariah | Also, I think there is flag that destroy its after the response concludes |
| 08:27.40 | Ahli | duration doesn't work as it will apply to all other damage effects appearing on the unit at the same time |
| 08:27.44 | JademusSreg | 0.0625 duration may not work properly, in my experience. |
| 08:27.54 | Ahli | imagine 20 marines shooting at the same target |
| 08:28.37 | Ahli | now the first one triggers it, so all marines that deal damage in the same game tick will miss |
| 08:29.15 | JademusSreg | Let's start over; what the hell are you doing? Wat's the design? |
| 08:29.25 | Ahli | broodwar's high ground mechanic |
| 08:29.30 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 08:29.50 | Ahli | chance to deal like no damage to a target that is higher than the attacker at the time the projectile was launched |
| 08:30.30 | ArcanePariah | Ok, well, the most techincal correct solution is to have a switch effect for all weapon effects that validates the target is higher then the caster, and makes the damage effect have a % chance to even run |
| 08:30.35 | JademusSreg | This is related to starbow, I take? |
| 08:30.43 | ArcanePariah | otherwise default to base damage effect |
| 08:30.45 | Ahli | yes |
| 08:31.04 | JademusSreg | Arc, isn't there any validator with randomness? |
| 08:31.06 | Ahli | ArcanePariah: correct =/ |
| 08:31.14 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, no |
| 08:31.28 | ArcanePariah | All effects can be random in terms of them running or not |
| 08:31.36 | Ahli | ^ |
| 08:31.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 08:31.56 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll double check the validator data. Seems strange it would lack chance. |
| 08:32.03 | ArcanePariah | But validators do not, and almost certainly can not be based on randomness |
| 08:32.12 | ArcanePariah | Well, why would you have such a validator? |
| 08:32.28 | ArcanePariah | When you have set and switch effects |
| 08:32.41 | Ahli | to disable buffs randomly :X |
| 08:33.43 | ArcanePariah | If you want to disable buffs randomly, use Remove Behavior effect with count of 1, and choose aclass or catagory of behaviors |
| 08:34.40 | ArcanePariah | And if you want it to come back, persistent with period effect of applying it based on validator, persist till destroyed, and periodic effect destorys the persistent and reapplies the behavior |
| 08:35.01 | JademusSreg | Personally, I figure reduced damage makes more sense from a mechanical perspective, especially where splash is concerned. |
| 08:35.21 | ArcanePariah | Same, miss is RNG dictating win or lose |
| 08:35.22 | Ahli | splash always hits |
| 08:35.48 | Ahli | it's just ranged damage type that needs to be blocked/heavily reduced. |
| 08:36.06 | ArcanePariah | Well if my memory of broodwar is correct, the splash would "hit" in that the center targeting would be off, the outer splash would still connect, but damage severly reduced |
| 08:37.00 | JademusSreg | Either way, consistent application of mechanics is preferable, rather than special cases. |
| 08:37.51 | ArcanePariah | The impression I get is people want a more "grindy" game, where one must slowly accumulate victory |
| 08:38.06 | JademusSreg | Which people and why? |
| 08:38.57 | ArcanePariah | People who enjoy Starbow/BW, and they routinely comment on the non deathball, non fast ending battle nature, the slow coverage of the map, instead of 2-3 bases, you have to acquire several, and the skirmish |
| 08:39.13 | ArcanePariah | In Moba terms, it is a ricing meta |
| 08:39.20 | ArcanePariah | Aka, farm to victory |
| 08:39.36 | ArcanePariah | Typical Ricing meta moba games lasted 60-90 minutes |
| 08:39.42 | JademusSreg | And this is preferable because? |
| 08:39.54 | Ahli | more forgiving to mistakes? |
| 08:40.00 | ArcanePariah | Relatively little combat, and your carry slowly moved to the top and won with massive damage |
| 08:40.07 | ArcanePariah | What Ahli said for one |
| 08:40.23 | ArcanePariah | and for 2, Strategy is deemphaiszed, strategy will NOT win you the game |
| 08:40.49 | ArcanePariah | People despise strategy based games, since it leads to the inherant problem of the meta game mattering more then the game itself |
| 08:40.58 | ArcanePariah | Case in point, MTG |
| 08:41.01 | Ahli | so, less build order win/loss due to the lack of scouting skills, meta knowledge, etc |
| 08:41.24 | ArcanePariah | 3 times in its history, there have been decks that were so powerful, you autowon most of the time with them, regardless of your opponents deck |
| 08:41.41 | ArcanePariah | So by choosing the correct deck, you won most of your games, your skill being irrelvant |
| 08:41.46 | ArcanePariah | And people HATE that |
| 08:42.02 | ArcanePariah | since you are forced to play a game that was lost/won before it began |
| 08:42.08 | ArcanePariah | So why bother? |
| 08:42.52 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 08:43.08 | ArcanePariah | People feel SC2 currently is too strategy, not enough tactics |
| 08:43.32 | ArcanePariah | Where meta game (Build Orders, Timings, Scout reactions, build predictions, hard counters) dictate the game, not what actually happens in game |
| 08:44.00 | ArcanePariah | TL DR, people don't like theorycrafting to dominate a PvP game, vice versa for a PvE game |
| 08:44.49 | ArcanePariah | People like theorycrafting in PvE games, since it is exploring what can be, against a relatively unchanging system |
| 08:45.52 | JademusSreg | Neither seems preferable with respect to both pacing and meaning. Can't stand to have my time wasted, can't stand to waste activity on logistic micromanagement. |
| 08:46.06 | ArcanePariah | Now, could SC2 use some slowing down? Perhaps, but I certainly don't want a game where strategy means nothing, all about dat micro, and you pick random units, each as nameless as the next |
| 08:46.46 | ArcanePariah | Well, that feeling of not wasting time on logistics is what led to Mobas |
| 08:47.01 | ArcanePariah | And Blizzard is taking it to its logical conclusion with Storm, removing all logistics all together |
| 08:47.18 | JademusSreg | Hah, funny idea for map: players pick strategies from a menu, responds with announcement of win/loss. |
| 08:47.34 | ArcanePariah | Might as well go gamble, about the same |
| 08:47.50 | ArcanePariah | How much different is that and blackjack? |
| 08:47.54 | JademusSreg | Thinly-veiled paper-rock-scissors. |
| 08:48.02 | ArcanePariah | That too |
| 08:48.44 | ArcanePariah | That's one reason SC1 and SC2 as well have done so well, asymmetric yet still actually remotely balanced |
| 08:48.58 | ArcanePariah | Which no other RTS I care to name has come even close to |
| 08:49.15 | ArcanePariah | Most of them boil down to picking the correct faction and spamming the correct unit |
| 08:49.44 | ArcanePariah | Entire DoW series was like that, command and conquer as well |
| 08:49.53 | ArcanePariah | Not sure about CoH |
| 08:50.06 | ArcanePariah | All the warcrafts were like that too |
| 08:50.23 | ArcanePariah | WC1, pick human, spam invis |
| 08:50.30 | ArcanePariah | Wc2, pick orc,spam ogre magi |
| 08:50.51 | ArcanePariah | Wc3, pick undead, spam meat wagons/necros |
| 08:52.12 | ArcanePariah | Also, I think people sometimes forget, that despite the experience of SC1, Blizzard is perfectly capable of making new mistakes, thankfully they have not repeated any sc1 mistakes in sc2 |
| 08:52.21 | ArcanePariah | One example I heard was 150 mineral spawning pool |
| 08:52.30 | ArcanePariah | Talk about dumb.... |
| 08:52.45 | Ahli | so, the only problem with the implementation are units in a bunker... hmmm (dead units are fine) |
| 09:10.25 | JademusSreg | Protip: Don't play a kick-based game (such as hacky-sac) while wearing only a kimono. |
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| 09:33.28 | Zolden | lol |
| 09:35.28 | JademusSreg | It went well, but inadvertedly flashed people. Several times. |
| 10:01.33 | Ahli | fixed the bunker stuff with data... :D |
| 10:01.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:02.12 | Ahli | the units already have a persistent to delay the damage dealing to allow overkill |
| 10:03.01 | Ahli | now I only had to set the damage modify source to caster instead of none to make it update that stuff instead of carrying the same value from the start |
| 10:03.04 | kingTD | how to validate that unit have only one A ability in there are more abilities in queue validate stuff? |
| 10:03.38 | JademusSreg | Wat? |
| 10:03.40 | kingTD | not clear? heh.. |
| 10:04.11 | kingTD | well if now running the ability Gather, how to check if any other is queued? |
| 10:05.09 | kingTD | now running gather ability, if any other queued disable effect |
| 10:07.55 | kingTD | if anyother ability queued while this one is running |
| 10:08.29 | JademusSreg | There's a validator for that, as I recall. |
| 10:09.39 | kingTD | well i see only the checking for ability that currently running or queued |
| 10:15.05 | kingTD | yeah data so limited... |
| 10:42.28 | Zolden | kingTD go triggers then |
| 10:42.36 | Zolden | just keep it lagless |
| 10:43.09 | Zolden | you can keep worker's state in custom values |
| 10:45.17 | Zolden | oh, and about your question: you can have order queue validator for each abil |
| 10:47.38 | kingTD | it would be really long and some what confusing with the build options and shit |
| 10:48.44 | kingTD | some like stop it doesnt detect or what |
| 10:48.48 | kingTD | so yeah |
| 10:51.18 | Zolden | and waht about completely automated workers, that never idle? |
| 10:51.52 | kingTD | yeah they never idle if gathering resources |
| 10:51.52 | Zolden | in rol/ron workers will go work if they see vacant mines |
| 10:53.05 | kingTD | then it would be like programming AI how much where workers to put |
| 10:53.29 | kingTD | or AoEO in some way |
| 10:53.38 | Zolden | aoeo? |
| 10:54.11 | kingTD | age of empires online |
| 10:55.45 | Zolden | ok, it will be programming AI. So, program it. Let wrokers check the resource you have less than other resources, and go gather it. Or if they see you're close to the population cap, they find a group of houses and build a house nearby |
| 10:56.09 | Zolden | same with farms |
| 10:57.15 | Zolden | also, add a hotkey to select closest worker to camera target point. So, any time you need a to build something, you don't search ofr workers, you call the closest one, and he comes |
| 10:57.19 | Zolden | fucking cool |
| 10:58.21 | Zolden | we so corrupted by bulky rts ui's, so even afraid to make the game absolutely easy to control |
| 10:59.04 | kingTD | hmm |
| 10:59.13 | kingTD | cant clear order at specific index? |
| 11:00.27 | kingTD | Zolden making that control taken away from player is not cool. There really wont be any self building workers where they want farms or houses |
| 11:01.13 | Zolden | ok, no building, only gathering automatisation |
| 11:02.04 | Zolden | maybe make it an enablable option |
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| 11:05.06 | kingTD | specially for u zolden as always |
| 11:06.21 | kingTD | okkkkkay |
| 11:06.37 | G0A | http://vimeo.com/82527075 |
| 11:06.58 | kingTD | no function to clear ability on specific action queue index |
| 11:07.05 | Zolden | you can imagine your own lazy and capricious player, and try to satisfy his needs of controls laconic as possible |
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| 11:55.29 | G0A | guy I need a good model which would look nice to be build stuff on it |
| 11:55.34 | G0A | (not splat) |
| 11:55.54 | Zolden | like a panel? |
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| 11:58.03 | G0A | that could work too |
| 11:58.55 | G0A | actually one with dark simple texture and square shape would be best |
| 11:59.11 | G0A | I might just change the texture on the square shape |
| 12:00.23 | Zolden | do you plan to have lots of them with changed texture? |
| 12:00.38 | Zolden | or you want one good one? |
| 12:01.08 | G0A | I just want 1 with crapy texture so I could resize to different sizes |
| 12:01.19 | Zolden | why crappy texture? |
| 12:01.25 | G0A | found 1 though:D |
| 12:01.32 | Zolden | ok |
| 12:01.54 | G0A | will see how it works out ingame (Assets\Doodads\MarSaraGroundProp\MarSaraGroundProp_02.m3) |
| 12:04.34 | Zolden | note, that it has a shit under it |
| 12:04.39 | Zolden | shitty pyramid |
| 12:08.38 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVDo7S4172o |
| 12:10.17 | Zolden | kingTD what is it? |
| 12:10.31 | kingTD | not a thing |
| 12:11.05 | Zolden | thingTD |
| 12:11.42 | Zolden | is it real oscar translation? |
| 12:13.12 | Zolden | crap, now i'm chatting there, making stupid joke, like "hobbit should win best attack rawr reward" |
| 12:33.50 | G0A | hmm there is a problem with this model ((Assets\Doodads\MarSaraGroundProp\MarSaraGroundProp_02.m3) when I zoom in the texture on it flashing |
| 12:38.52 | Zolden | G0A kingTD http://i.snag.gy/SMH2D.jpg |
| 12:38.55 | Zolden | new jew race units |
| 12:40.34 | kingTD | look as bad as jews for sure |
| 12:40.46 | Zolden | why bad, waht would you change? |
| 12:40.49 | kingTD | goa mb rise height?? |
| 12:41.13 | G0A | why is there 8 unit? |
| 12:41.25 | kingTD | zolden u done ur best to make it looking, good, at ur standarts |
| 12:41.38 | kingTD | 1 unit can upgrade 2 choses? |
| 12:43.00 | Zolden | 2 units will have 2 upgrades |
| 12:43.39 | Zolden | kingTD i'm ok to move aside from my standards if you point a direction and I see that it will make them look better |
| 12:44.02 | Zolden | i realy suck at visual design and do primitive stuff, so appreciate advices |
| 12:44.20 | kingTD | i pointed the directions but they where mis understood and not helped for u much to make it happen |
| 12:44.57 | kingTD | like with that bomber blob |
| 12:45.32 | Zolden | I tried each of your suggestions, and you said they made the model look even crappier, so I returned to simple black |
| 12:47.20 | Zolden | kingTD i heard your goverment decided to switch to europe in the next year |
| 12:47.28 | Zolden | *to euro |
| 12:47.45 | kingTD | europe here we come! |
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| 12:49.01 | G0A | kingTD thx, change height worked |
| 12:54.34 | JademusSreg | Played the intro set for Hearthstone. Pretty good. |
| 12:58.43 | G0A | JademusSreg play mage |
| 12:59.27 | G0A | it beats all other races by far and blizzard wont nerf it |
| 13:10.07 | Bommes | the hearthstone interface is really sick |
| 13:10.26 | Bommes | much to learn from that |
| 13:12.31 | G0A | and buggy |
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| 13:22.18 | G0A | any easy way to make ground units spawn from train ability from buildings that blocked from all sides? |
| 13:23.36 | Zolden | are you talking about no triggers involved situation? |
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| 13:32.58 | G0A | yeah |
| 13:38.13 | Zolden | maybe placement footprint? |
| 13:40.22 | G0A | yeah but I want it to block units |
| 13:41.17 | Zolden | add placement footprint to the trainable unit, maybe builing will place the unit to the closest not blocked place |
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| 13:44.11 | G0A | btw there an ignore placement flag in unit train unit's array but that doesnt helped:( |
| 13:48.24 | G0A | cant find placement location |
| 13:49.07 | Zolden | it's one of unit's footprint related fields |
| 13:49.37 | Zolden | pathing footprint - placement |
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| 14:38.57 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6e5emusjocowru/HearthstoneNomenclature.png |
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| 14:44.21 | Bommes | too mæta |
| 14:47.34 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:49.42 | JademusSreg | (Updated the image to include a newly named deck.) |
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| 14:54.41 | Zolden | sex bear? |
| 15:03.48 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:07.06 | JademusSreg | "Bear" is also a term in certain communities describing those with bear-like characteristics (bearacteristics) including but not-limited to physical mass, body hair, cuddliness, and taste for sticky fluids. |
| 15:10.10 | Zolden | oh, it gives me understanding of a joke in last family guy episode, there was that story about 3 bears and a lost girl, and instead of bears there appeared 3 men with hair on 90% of body |
| 15:15.38 | Bommes | you dont have sexbears in russia? |
| 15:15.46 | Bommes | how disappointing |
| 15:15.53 | Bommes | I guess men aren't as hairy in eastern europe |
| 15:19.18 | Zolden | yea, russians use fur coats instead of body hair |
| 15:19.19 | G0A | is there a way to change 1 unit's radius? |
| 15:19.25 | G0A | maybe with behavior? |
| 15:20.00 | G0A | body hair is the most annoying thing that evolution invented |
| 15:20.13 | Bommes | unit radius is a unit property, maybe with a trigger? |
| 15:20.14 | G0A | after mouse and rats |
| 15:20.28 | Bommes | like set unit property or something |
| 15:20.30 | G0A | couldnt find a tirgger for it |
| 15:20.38 | G0A | even in unit property function |
| 15:21.45 | Zolden | can you at least do it via catalog for the whole type? |
| 15:22.00 | Zolden | i remember something from the deep past where i tired to play with radius and failed |
| 15:22.12 | G0A | yeah but whole type is not good |
| 15:22.23 | Zolden | there wasn't constant for radius property |
| 15:22.29 | G0A | I will try change unit scale and then change its scale back with actor message |
| 15:22.36 | Zolden | i found constant number, used it, but it didn't work |
| 15:22.37 | G0A | that might change its radius |
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| 15:51.42 | kingTD | playing with AIs, 6 min 2400 units, 21min 3600 |
| 15:57.38 | Zolden | wtf? is it even possible to get an army of 100 units? doesn't it reach pop cap? |
| 15:57.45 | Zolden | 8 players -> 800 units |
| 15:58.22 | Zolden | 30 more per player for buildings -> 240 more |
| 15:58.39 | Zolden | 1040 units max for 8 players game, why more? |
| 15:59.45 | JademusSreg | Glad I could help, Zol. |
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| 16:12.50 | kingTD1 | alrighty then... |
| 16:13.03 | kingTD1 | neighbours turning on and out electricity :/ |
| 16:13.05 | kingTD1 | again |
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| 16:26.47 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.26 | kingTD1 | questionable unit 1 from group |
| 16:32.31 | kingTD1 | and geyser target |
| 16:32.39 | Ahli | I think it was too close :S |
| 16:32.52 | Ahli | I spawned 3 at the point of the geyser and it failed, it seems :D |
| 16:34.47 | Ahli | now that probe is blocked by the other probes jfghgvbujiouugfzjchdxjfgzhiupo987iuzrftdcfghzpuoihukjvg cvjhkln |
| 16:35.24 | Ahli | probe can't reach the geyser as 2 other probes are enough to block it :X |
| 16:35.55 | Ahli | probe 3 does the job, probe 1, I'm disappointed |
| 16:39.30 | Ahli | I'm checking what one can do about the imbalance of the geyser position... they have different mining rates depending on the position |
| 16:42.53 | Ahli | require zoom for the footprint editing field :X |
| 16:43.06 | kingTD1 | what u want to achieve getting that percies number of time spent on gathering and delivering and gathering back to number? |
| 16:44.05 | Ahli | trying to make the footprint symmetrical |
| 16:46.37 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378561 |
| 16:48.31 | Zolden | what does it mean when ppl add "101" after something? |
| 16:49.28 | Ahli | http://www.internetslang.com/101-meaning-definition.asp |
| 16:49.36 | Zolden | kingTD1 is scale ok now? http://i.snag.gy/ZdUc7.jpg |
| 16:51.34 | Zolden | ok, and why now "101" encodes "Basic introduction"? who invented it? where is the reasonable connection between the symbol and the meaning? |
| 16:52.16 | kingTD1 | sos? |
| 16:52.33 | Zolden | huesos |
| 16:52.35 | kingTD1 | when the scale wasnt ok? |
| 16:52.54 | kingTD1 | huy sasiosh |
| 16:53.27 | Zolden | scale wasn't ok when the black square of malevich was introduced to public. It was actually a picture of hitler, but moustache was scaled up too much |
| 16:55.50 | Ahli | I can zoom in and out in windows with WIN + numpad+/- .... omfg |
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| 17:44.17 | raiskaillaan | A1win_, do you think my nickname is offensive? |
| 18:09.12 | Dustin | very |
| 18:09.18 | Dustin | Im so offended my eyes are bleeding |
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| 18:12.07 | Zandose | hello |
| 18:12.20 | Zolden | hi fatty |
| 18:12.56 | Zandose | on sc2mapster, if i wanted to create a "page" or something for a map in working on whats the options? |
| 18:15.50 | Zandose | and appearantly i need to debug my map. i needed and changes so many things without testing them. lol |
| 18:23.28 | Zandose | and why am i patty? |
| 18:23.31 | Zandose | fatty* |
| 18:23.59 | Zolden | it's not u, it's my habit of greeting ppl |
| 18:24.12 | Zandose | i understand |
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| 18:29.04 | ZandoseAFK | hmm |
| 18:33.59 | Zandose | I post/attach my map to the forum. can i pervent someone some stealing and loading it? |
| 18:34.32 | Zolden | yes, by not uploading it |
| 18:34.37 | Zandose | k |
| 18:34.50 | Ahli | even if you upload it, people could steal it... |
| 18:34.53 | Ahli | *on bnet |
| 18:34.57 | Zandose | true |
| 18:35.00 | Zandose | but its harder lol |
| 18:35.52 | DeadZergling | Zolden has many peculiar things about him |
| 18:36.02 | DeadZergling | his insane need to reference hitler and penises is another trait of his |
| 18:36.20 | Zandose | i know. ive seen it |
| 18:36.40 | Zolden | DeadZergling i'm implementing more mech units to nerf the shit out of them then |
| 18:36.46 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/ZdUc7.jpg |
| 18:37.28 | DeadZergling | that's cool, I decided to focus on my own project instead of complaining about yours though, lol |
| 18:37.37 | Zandose | zolden feet up to simple model requests? |
| 18:37.59 | Zandose | feel* |
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| 18:44.48 | Chow | hi guys |
| 18:44.53 | Zandose | hello |
| 18:45.05 | Chow | wooo! signs of life! how ya doing today |
| 18:45.37 | Zandose | today is good me thinks |
| 18:46.09 | Chow | brb |
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| 18:49.58 | Zandose | welcome back i think |
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| 18:56.24 | Zolden | Zandose like what? |
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| 19:09.54 | Zandose | 1) Take the Male Civilian, delete the model, and add attachment points all over the place along its body. 2) A actor (no model), with the shape of a box, and a lot of attachment points spaces equally. |
| 19:11.11 | Zandose | one sec |
| 19:12.09 | Zandose | 1) Take the Male Civilian, delete the model, and add attachment points all over the place along its body. 2) A actor (no model), with the shape of a box, and a lot of attachment points spaced evenly. 3) A flat model of a triangle. 4) A flat model of half a triangle. 5) A flat model of a square. |
| 19:15.41 | Zolden | can u explain why u need this stuff? |
| 19:15.47 | Zandose | sure |
| 19:20.17 | Zandose | 1) The Civilian(w/ attachment points): I will be attaching models to create a mesh like unit, a robot. 2) The Box (w/ attachment points): I will attach this to the Civilian so i can add models with a slight offset, like a gun made up of many objects or a jet pack. 3, 4, 5) I will be using these to create panels for the terrain. |
| 19:21.06 | Zandose | 1) The Civilian(w/ attachment points): I will be attaching models to create a mesh like unit, a robot. 2) The Box (w/ attachment points): I will attach this to the Civilian so i can add models with a slight offset, like a gun made up of many objects or a jet pack. 3, 4, 5) I will be using these to create panels for the terrain, to cover up terrain deformations. |
| 19:30.01 | Zandose | what say ye? |
| 19:30.28 | Zandose | not simple? |
| 19:34.42 | Zolden | well |
| 19:35.08 | Zolden | what if you dl 3smax and art tools and do all this stuff by yourself? |
| 19:35.22 | Zolden | for the point 2 you can use local offsec sop |
| 19:35.43 | Zolden | it's not hard, but i'm lazy |
| 19:35.54 | Zolden | i owe models to some ppl, and lazy to do it |
| 19:36.29 | Dustin | When doing a unit morph, is there something special you have to do to get the actor to change to the new units? |
| 19:36.33 | Zolden | and for points 3, 4, 5 i'd use a splat |
| 19:37.04 | Zolden | Dustin events, check viking for example |
| 19:39.05 | Dustin | ty sir |
| 19:39.31 | Zandose | i dont know how to use d3max and art tools. I assumed the learning curve for model editing was steep. i've tried looking at local offset sop but never understood it and couldnt find enough information to learn it. what are splats? |
| 19:46.33 | Zolden | splats are models which are projected to the ground, while planes are always flat |
| 19:46.36 | Zolden | local offset sop is trivial: you set the xyz offset, and use it in sit op+ field like this: SopAttachWeapon; SopYourLocalOffset |
| 19:46.37 | Zandose | ic |
| 19:46.38 | Zolden | to learn 3dmax and art tools enough to do waht you want, you need to spend 1/2 hours on youtube to learn max basic stuff, and also read art tool tutorials |
| 19:46.39 | Zandose | k |
| 19:46.41 | Zolden | but anyway, post your request on forum |
| 19:46.45 | Zolden | someone may do this |
| 19:47.00 | Zolden | maybe I will if I get rid of this lzayness |
| 19:47.04 | Zandose | the request void, a scary place. |
| 19:47.36 | Zolden | artist tavern -> requests |
| 19:48.02 | Zolden | it's scarym but sometimes requests are satisfied |
| 19:48.25 | Zolden | like when hitler requested a new moustace models, it was done by someone |
| 19:50.40 | Zandose | i hear men go into there and dont come out quite sane anymore |
| 19:50.51 | Zolden | it's because some of them tried to open that thread with new hitler moustache |
| 19:51.05 | Zolden | don't do it |
| 19:53.27 | Zolden | kingTD1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SzwjiuNWyo |
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| 20:44.20 | Zolden | kingTD mages are imba, remove them from aok pls! |
| 20:44.44 | kingTD | trying out the river in 3x3 size |
| 20:44.54 | kingTD | kinda looks like crap blobs |
| 20:46.21 | Zolden | show me |
| 20:47.05 | Zolden | maybe its terrain deformers can still be normal, but path blockers would be bigger |
| 20:47.11 | Zolden | some like 10x2 |
| 20:47.28 | Zolden | is there's a straight part |
| 20:49.07 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:49.54 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/U0t0P.jpg |
| 20:50.12 | JademusSreg | Awesome poop model. |
| 20:50.17 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/3feSc.jpg |
| 20:50.32 | kingTD | yeah poop surrounded by crap |
| 20:52.11 | JademusSreg | One should wonder what terrifying beast left such enormous, putrid scat. |
| 20:52.42 | kingTD | meanwhile AI playing their own game http://snag.gy/UCp0v.jpg |
| 20:52.55 | JademusSreg | An elder dragon, a great wyrm, with a stomach bug? |
| 20:53.04 | JademusSreg | Niiice. |
| 20:53.32 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcHIikdrhjQ |
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| 20:54.29 | Zolden | cool rivers, i like |
| 20:54.32 | Zolden | cool stones, i like |
| 20:55.24 | Zolden | dude, it's fucking great terrain, i like |
| 20:56.08 | JademusSreg | Well, yeah, obviously all that. And also the big poops. |
| 20:56.52 | Zolden | jade, it's a mage, they poop like this |
| 20:57.00 | Zolden | they poop alot becasue the eat alot |
| 20:57.14 | Zolden | they eat alot, because they need alot of energy |
| 20:57.20 | Zolden | even a single lightning spell consumes like 5 megawatt of power |
| 20:57.50 | Zolden | he should spend his whoule day in mcdonalds eating burgers to generate that much energy |
| 20:58.11 | JademusSreg | It's a great start for the terrain, or at least a great start for that fraction of terrain, a tentative evaluation pending a look-over of the map. |
| 20:59.02 | JademusSreg | Yes, Terry Pratchet explained as much in the Discworld novels. |
| 21:00.53 | Dustin | Anyone know why an actor would tint when you replaced it with a unit but not when you build the unit. When the actor message is just on ActorCreation, Settintcolor |
| 21:01.49 | JademusSreg | Would need to see the events, but "replaced it with a unit" is probably the cause. |
| 21:02.35 | JademusSreg | Put that in quotations because it's not clear what that means in technical terms; I'm assuming ModelSwap. |
| 21:02.44 | Dustin | I wonder why replace would trigger the event but unit creation doesnt |
| 21:03.02 | Dustin | No i used the Replace unit function |
| 21:03.12 | Dustin | But im assumin it just removes the old unit and makes a new one |
| 21:03.27 | JademusSreg | Ah, because the unit creation event precedes actor creation. |
| 21:04.12 | MoonEater916 | kingTD, i dont quite like the ground textures, looks kinda "generic" try mixing it up abit more, especialy around the rigger use more dirt |
| 21:04.20 | JademusSreg | But again, still not clear what you're doing. =D |
| 21:04.45 | Dustin | Weird, one of them works with unit creation |
| 21:04.53 | Dustin | But I dont see how its different than any of the others |
| 21:05.37 | kingTD | one day |
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| 21:28.33 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 21:49.26 | Ahli | JademusSreg: what was that cool funky text pasting site? |
| 21:50.35 | Ahli | found it :D |
| 21:50.35 | Ahli | hastebin |
| 22:26.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:30.40 | ArcanePariah | Anything blown up in here? |
| 22:30.49 | ArcanePariah | Or just the normal explosions? |
| 22:40.26 | JademusSreg | First day playing hearthstone beta; here is a screenshot from hours ago: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6e5emusjocowru/HearthstoneNomenclature.png |
| 22:40.41 | JademusSreg | Good design, quite stimulating. |
| 22:41.17 | JademusSreg | Though I expect I won't play it much beyond a few days; grind is anathema. |
| 22:49.01 | Bommes | arena isn't grind at all |
| 22:49.07 | Bommes | except for the gold |
| 22:49.30 | JademusSreg | "There's no grind, except for the grind." |
| 22:49.34 | Bommes | but with just like 5$ investment or something you can play almost infinite arena if you learn the game and know what to draft / play |
| 22:50.44 | Bommes | but I guess getting to that point is a grind in itself |
| 22:50.51 | Bommes | for some ppl with little time |
| 22:50.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's dreadfully boring to be stuck with a few class cards and a bunch of neutral cards, the same, same, same cards all the time, and there's not a single statistician in hell that would wager on me grinding gold and essence to get cards. |
| 22:51.46 | Bommes | arena is independent from your collection cards :) so you have the same chance for legendaries etc as everybody else |
| 22:52.03 | Bommes | I play pretty much just arena, not every day but once or twice a week I'd say |
| 22:52.11 | Bommes | for a couple of hours |
| 22:55.16 | JademusSreg | Doesn't make it not a grind, though, so not sure what you intend. |
| 22:57.41 | JademusSreg | Time to be a butterfly. bbl |
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| 23:09.04 | drybonevalley | How does one adjust the height of where my mover is coming from? I've tried launch offset of my missile and what not, but I don't think thats how to go about |
| 23:14.30 | Bommes | Jade, what do you mean "make it not a grind"? Arena is no grind, there is no grind in arena, arena is grindless. |
| 23:15.00 | Bommes | arena non grind est |
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