| 01:15.09 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, A question. For damage and search effects, what doe the Offset Area by Angle flag do? My initial impression is that it changes how the Arc for a search is determined. The standard is for the angle given to be directed from launch to impact location, with that many degrees added to both sides. So a 45 degree arc will create an arc of 90 degrees, 45 degree to the left, and to... |
| 01:15.10 | ArcanePariah | ...the right of the line from launch to impact |
| 01:16.52 | JademusSreg | In simplest terms, it adjusts the position relative to the location angle; in many cases, this refers to the facing of the caster/source unit. |
| 01:17.33 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, so without the flag, it uses the global coordinate system, with the flag, it uses the local coordinate system of the source point |
| 01:18.56 | ArcanePariah | So... without the flag, if I did a search from the caster unit, it would always point south, but with the flag, it would point whatever direction the source location unit is facing... excellent |
| 01:19.19 | JademusSreg | Usually not important for shit that is directly targeted, but where you have multiple local offets across multiple layers, it's important. |
| 01:19.26 | ArcanePariah | Currently trying to implement a shotgun |
| 01:19.48 | ArcanePariah | And trying to skip using projectiles or persistent lines |
| 01:20.35 | ArcanePariah | Of course, now I have the following issue... if I create persistents at random offsets (psuedorandom), the radius of the search would have to be adapted, which is not possible |
| 01:20.42 | ArcanePariah | So I probably will ahve to use persistent lines |
| 01:20.57 | JademusSreg | If beams are involved, I'd use multiple search area effect with arc 0. |
| 01:21.43 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but the impact locations are not constant, thus the search radius is not constant either |
| 01:22.28 | JademusSreg | How so? |
| 01:23.25 | ArcanePariah | The current design is to have the weapon fire 12 projectiles. If uninterrupted, their final impact points should be within a circle of radius 2, at range 12 (12 to center) |
| 01:24.01 | ArcanePariah | To simulate random impaact points, I intend to create about 10-20 persistens with offsets, and then use a set effect to pick one randomly |
| 01:24.29 | ArcanePariah | However, it must damage the first unit between the attacking unit and the impact point, radius of 0.175 |
| 01:24.35 | ArcanePariah | being the splash |
| 01:24.45 | JademusSreg | Actors can better simulate random impact points, given the random points in blahblah actors. |
| 01:25.29 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but this is for the actual damage effects, and yes, arc of 0 would work well for this, but... variable radius |
| 01:26.12 | ArcanePariah | Complex as all hell, probably the most complex effect I've had to do yet |
| 01:26.31 | ArcanePariah | Possibly will require triggers |
| 01:26.35 | ArcanePariah | Given the complexity |
| 01:27.12 | ArcanePariah | But would strongly want to avoid it, seeing as this is a weapon, thus the effect could be run severall dozen times at once |
| 01:27.43 | Kueken | I recommend don't overcomplicating the mechanics |
| 01:27.53 | Kueken | just use an approximate method |
| 01:27.59 | ArcanePariah | Well, I'm not the designer :D |
| 01:28.04 | ArcanePariah | And yes I may do so |
| 01:28.53 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... now that I think of it... just have an array (large one) of search effects with randomized radii |
| 01:29.42 | ArcanePariah | I don't need points in a random circle... I need random points on the circle of radius 12... to give me arc angles |
| 01:30.03 | ArcanePariah | then run randomzied damage search with random radii... excellent |
| 01:30.22 | ArcanePariah | rambling as usual |
| 01:31.55 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:39.34 | ArcanePariah | Ok, question time again, fro offsets, with a coordinate system relative to the facing of a unit, what direction is positive X values (Left or Right), and what direction is positive Y values (Forward or Backward)? |
| 01:40.05 | JademusSreg | Forward is -Y =D |
| 01:40.07 | Kueken | pos y = behind the unit |
| 01:40.16 | Kueken | pos x = to the right |
| 01:40.23 | ArcanePariah | Ok, thank you |
| 01:43.31 | JademusSreg | tinkers with AI. |
| 01:44.17 | JademusSreg | While the prototype was a bust, I'm seeing how effectively I may get the AI to use the assets. |
| 01:48.21 | ArcanePariah | Heh, that is going to be one hell of a project for myself, NotD 2 AI |
| 01:48.55 | ArcanePariah | Planning on variable AI, with some units becoming enemies or allies depending on game flow, and 3 factions each with different play styles |
| 01:50.09 | ArcanePariah | Also, if anyone is interested, the terrain has been published, if you search NotD 2 on the Arcade, feel free to go take a tour and provide feedback |
| 01:55.27 | ArcanePariah | Another esoteric search question: For Target sorts, is the sorting done first, then it chooses the 1st X (X being the Request Count or %) |
| 01:57.09 | JademusSreg | Sure. Actually, I hardly see much configuration beyond adding a few target sorts; can't recall the values differing in standard data. |
| 01:57.43 | JademusSreg | (For impact trajectory like searches, I prefer to sort for shortest distance.) |
| 01:58.03 | Kueken | do request % and count do anything now? |
| 01:58.13 | Kueken | last time I checked they had no effect at all |
| 01:58.44 | ArcanePariah | I do know they do work |
| 01:59.09 | ArcanePariah | In NotD 1, an ability searches for all player units, then chooses half of them as targets for an effect |
| 01:59.39 | Kueken | in the actual target sort? or in the target sort field for the effect? |
| 01:59.42 | JademusSreg | Hm. Reminds me of my Xel'Naga AI boss, minus the "half of them". |
| 02:00.03 | ArcanePariah | In the target sort field for the effect |
| 02:00.25 | Kueken | okay |
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| 04:08.27 | Zandose | whats a good effect/model to use for reviving a unit? |
| 04:15.33 | Kueken | death animation reverse comes to mind :) |
| 04:19.09 | Zandose | that exists? |
| 04:19.49 | Zandose | or do i need to do it myself using waits, loops, and set animation time? |
| 04:23.12 | Zandose | making a quest system which can generate random quests is hard. go-to, riddles, puzzles, protect, defend, local level, map level, world level |
| 04:58.12 | Zandose | Ok Kueken it's done |
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| 05:53.51 | JademusSreg | Kablam. |
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| 06:56.41 | rtschutter | Can anyone enlighten me on how to set up a requirement that checks to see that a player does NOT have an upgrade? |
| 06:59.25 | JademusSreg | Random test: http://hastebin.com/neyilememo.vhdl |
| 06:59.32 | JademusSreg | rts, easy. |
| 06:59.47 | JademusSreg | In fact, the campaign does it all the time. |
| 07:00.59 | JademusSreg | To check if it does have an upgrade, it looks like CountUpgrade(SomeShittyUpgrade,CompleteOnly) |
| 07:01.21 | JademusSreg | To check if it doesn't, simply negate it: !CountUpgrade(SomeShittyUpgrade,CompleteOnly) |
| 07:02.13 | rtschutter | dammit why doesn't the GUI let me do that |
| 07:02.17 | JademusSreg | Note, this assumes the Expression view; the Tree view is shitty (GUI-like) |
| 07:03.02 | JademusSreg | It should; in the Expression view it looks like Not > Count Upgrade SomeShittyUpgrade Completed |
| 07:03.08 | JademusSreg | *Tree view |
| 07:03.39 | JademusSreg | Which is to say the Count Upgrade is nested inside a Not. |
| 07:03.55 | rtschutter | oh of course I forgot I could layer the requirements with AND/OR/NOT |
| 07:04.05 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 07:04.24 | rtschutter | thanks man |
| 07:04.35 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 07:05.25 | JademusSreg | I prefer the Expression view, much easier to work with and understand (but a mistake can fuck things up badly, even crash the editor). |
| 07:05.47 | rtschutter | yes the editor crashed a couple of times while I was just copy/pasting stuff from another mod |
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| 07:07.26 | JademusSreg | I had that happen a week or two ago. =D |
| 07:08.09 | JademusSreg | So I took a different approach, dealt with the files directly rather than risk that problem again. |
| 07:09.15 | rtschutter | gah yeah breaking it into components is absolutely last resort for me |
| 07:09.17 | rtschutter | I hate doing that |
| 07:09.30 | JademusSreg | Requirements in particular can cause problems with copypasta because the shit that makes them work, RequirementNodes, are generated from the tree/expression content and linked back with the actual Requirement data. |
| 07:10.14 | JademusSreg | Simply changing the id of a behavior and correcting the reference in the requirement caused a crash. |
| 07:10.32 | rtschutter | that is probably what was happening to me |
| 07:15.58 | rtschutter | what does it mean when actor events are red again? |
| 07:18.02 | JademusSreg | MEans you changed it from standard value, and patches can break it. |
| 07:20.36 | rtschutter | okay |
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| 08:33.52 | kingTD | hey finally a winter |
| 08:34.04 | Zolden | yea! |
| 08:34.19 | Zolden | for how long? |
| 08:34.31 | Zolden | 5 month? 5 days? |
| 08:38.09 | kingTD | 2 days already from 2-5 weeks of none of it |
| 08:42.08 | G0A | hmm it just got cold here tooo |
| 08:42.16 | G0A | finally its freezing at night |
| 08:42.54 | JademusSreg | considers how much of AI shit can be streamlined by configuring it from data. |
| 09:03.30 | Zolden | JademusSreg alot |
| 09:03.45 | Zolden | set of behaviors is a state machine |
| 09:03.53 | Zolden | behaviors provide activity |
| 09:04.33 | Zolden | everything on boolean logic is possible as soon as math not required |
| 09:04.44 | JademusSreg | Parameterizing and running the entire scope of AI functionality with data is not practical, but I think much of it can be configured from data easily enough. |
| 09:10.52 | kingTD | hmm |
| 09:11.06 | kingTD | how to change with triggers resource count on unit? |
| 09:11.56 | JademusSreg | Unit property, resources. |
| 09:12.03 | JademusSreg | Erm, Carried |
| 09:12.05 | JademusSreg | Sorry. |
| 09:12.52 | JademusSreg | CarriedMinerals, CarriedVespene, CarriedTurtlezine, CarriedExpensiveShit |
| 09:13.40 | JademusSreg | I'll just pastify some shit. |
| 09:14.05 | JademusSreg | http://hastebin.com/xoresapeco.cs |
| 09:14.22 | JademusSreg | All the states, properties, and which are read-only. |
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| 10:43.34 | kingTD | how to have in Data for unit a target location to be tracked all the time? |
| 10:43.40 | kingTD | like searching point |
| 10:43.57 | kingTD | while not ordering unit itself to do so |
| 10:43.57 | JademusSreg | I can't, er, parse that. |
| 10:45.10 | kingTD | sending unit to gather resource source and by making effects go it would add dummy of some sort that would be like target location that could be used any time to do actions |
| 10:46.17 | JademusSreg | Very much wish that were intelligible. |
| 10:46.35 | kingTD | still not clear? :s |
| 10:47.06 | JademusSreg | The way in which you write is difficult for me to understand. |
| 10:48.42 | kingTD | unit targets unit > applies to targeting unit dummy effect that would safe the targeted unit location (not unit) to be used in any given time the target location |
| 10:49.08 | kingTD | for other actions |
| 10:49.15 | kingTD | like returing to the same locations and stuff |
| 10:50.04 | JademusSreg | A persistent effect, one which does not auto-destroy and must be destroyed manually. |
| 10:50.26 | JademusSreg | Though I'm not certain other effect trees can reference it. |
| 10:51.09 | JademusSreg | If not, effects in the same effect tree could, so if everything else it does is in the same effect tree, you can get the location reference. |
| 10:52.07 | kingTD | well gather and return cargo effects not linked together |
| 10:54.52 | JademusSreg | Hm, maybe I'll try to solve it. To be clear, multiple units may gather, may not stack, right? Any other features? |
| 10:57.53 | kingTD | yeah collide in between, for Trees to search new target to gather if its gatherred too much (kinda hard solve well as tree can be blocked by other trees, the path can be very small or non existing) |
| 11:00.32 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/nwb8A.jpg |
| 11:01.16 | JademusSreg | Gotcha. I'll see what I can do. |
| 11:01.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 11:35.41 | JademusSreg | Have enough time to test one solution before I bbl. |
| 11:36.56 | JademusSreg | And... works. First try, bam. |
| 11:37.11 | JademusSreg | I'll paste the xml, let you implement it, modify it as you need. |
| 11:38.43 | JademusSreg | Oi, quick question, can anyone else access pastee.org? |
| 11:39.11 | kingTD | i think no |
| 11:40.11 | kingTD | dead |
| 11:41.49 | JademusSreg | And hastebin finally got the markup fucking right, yay: http://hastebin.com/royayotase.xml |
| 11:42.06 | JademusSreg | Oops, make the behavior time scale global, too. =D |
| 11:42.20 | JademusSreg | Anyway, tested, works excellently. |
| 11:42.33 | JademusSreg | They don't stack up during transit or while gathering. |
| 11:42.57 | JademusSreg | Which means, tada, can use an actual gather ability again, woo. |
| 11:43.00 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 11:43.14 | kingTD | so much hate :( |
| 11:43.54 | JademusSreg | (Naw, I am fond of you, in some repulsive way.) |
| 11:44.19 | kingTD | btw |
| 11:44.50 | kingTD | how about making resource gathering of stacks not the one stack of 5 and go return but getting 5 stacks by 1 res |
| 11:46.05 | kingTD | i doubt that default gathering supports that |
| 11:47.12 | Bommes | http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/10/5295658/this-virtual-reality-game-about-cheating-dolphins-in-an-undersea best oculus rift game design |
| 11:48.21 | JademusSreg | (I'll be back in about an hour, twod; I'll try to understand what you're saying then. =D ) |
| 11:51.53 | kingTD | :s |
| 11:54.33 | G0A | Bommes that game looks awesome |
| 11:55.03 | kingTD | i throw money at the screen but nothing happening? |
| 12:14.58 | kingTD | Jade nahh it doesnt solve nice the problem as they turn like crazy, still quite stacked. and i mean think about stacks of resources is like chopping Trees in WC3 gathering system, where u scale to maximum value u can gather before returning. |
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| 12:22.21 | kingTD | zolden sup/ |
| 12:25.30 | Zolden | my cat eating chips, olives, chocolate |
| 12:25.57 | Zolden | will probably grow fat |
| 12:26.17 | Zolden | *eats |
| 12:31.57 | kingTD | like that jew american that u keep in ur basement |
| 12:33.06 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 12:33.53 | Zolden | my jokes are stupid enough to be completely sure that I don't use any jews to write them for me |
| 12:34.16 | JademusSreg | Twod, wat you say? In what way "it doesnt solve"? |
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| 12:36.04 | kingTD | in the way they pushed by the force, crazy turning happen, when there are 20 workers it looks freakish |
| 12:36.40 | kingTD | and dont have feature like stacking resources, wc3 trees style |
| 12:36.55 | JademusSreg | Ah, that's trivial. Simply make them look at something. =D |
| 12:37.33 | JademusSreg | Point is it solves the stacking problem, though it is interesting units don't need to face the gather target, one would observe. |
| 12:38.37 | JademusSreg | Dunno what "stacking resources" means; it's quite ambiguous since the term was used to describe the units overlapping. |
| 12:40.39 | kingTD | how many times about stacks of behaviors on unit that gather resource have to talk about, gathering => every sec u get one stack that gives 1 mineral, in max stacks of X and return the amount of stacks and resources and yay! |
| 12:41.13 | JademusSreg | Sounds like something configured from the resource behavior / gather ability. |
| 12:41.34 | kingTD | vissually it doesnt solve at all. some other way it would be done then they would sliding all the time... |
| 12:41.42 | kingTD | nothing there |
| 12:42.29 | JademusSreg | Inscrutable. =D |
| 13:02.32 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2PrnbfH-4 |
| 13:03.35 | JademusSreg | For a moment, I thought that might be useful to understanding the problem, haha. |
| 13:03.36 | kingTD | lol |
| 13:03.42 | kingTD | that camera work :d |
| 13:03.56 | kingTD | but then! |
| 13:14.19 | kingTD | jade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49pzTX35Vc&feature=youtu.be |
| 13:22.32 | JademusSreg | It's a video. |
| 13:22.34 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 13:22.53 | kingTD | of ur solving option in action... |
| 13:24.04 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 13:24.19 | JademusSreg | I enjoy how they crowd around the huge turds. |
| 13:25.33 | JademusSreg | Also, yes, that's roughly how it looked in my tests. Didn't test with that many, but I encouraged you to modify it, adapt it to your needs, haha. |
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| 14:13.41 | Zolden | kingTD http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p3sVdo9dDdI |
| 14:18.59 | kingTD | okay then |
| 14:19.11 | G0A | this is one of those only in Russia video:) |
| 14:26.23 | Zolden | americans do stuff like this alot too |
| 14:28.03 | G0A | they do stupid stuff yeah, but they wont find random gas container.... (aka they are in a different environment also they are bit less drunky :) ) |
| 14:29.34 | G0A | dammit got again a new map idea |
| 14:30.11 | Zolden | lol |
| 14:30.16 | G0A | I need more map slots |
| 14:30.19 | G0A | 20 is few |
| 14:36.53 | kingTD | remove that random control spawn units shit |
| 14:39.31 | G0A | 380 games 1487 elo |
| 14:39.53 | Zolden | sounds badass |
| 14:41.06 | G0A | kingTD why does it matters for you, you hate all map anyways:D |
| 14:41.38 | kingTD | well that one is shitties imo that u have |
| 14:42.18 | G0A | I have shittier trust me.D |
| 14:44.25 | kingTD | map with lava that u build shit isnt worth time too. |
| 14:44.35 | G0A | :) |
| 14:47.30 | kingTD | will i know about 10 of them. Slide, lava control buildings, random spawn control, random td, throphuy td, defense units, pictionary, rpg stuff... so its 8 |
| 14:48.30 | Zolden | throphuy? |
| 14:49.04 | kingTD | enthropy |
| 14:49.12 | kingTD | or what word there is used |
| 14:49.14 | kingTD | for 3 maps |
| 14:49.30 | Zolden | i more like the one with the huy |
| 14:50.26 | kingTD | well yes since u russian how u would like jews |
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| 14:51.09 | kingTD | ohh 2 tugs wol hots versions |
| 15:03.52 | kingTD | HS is just full of mages... |
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| 15:45.37 | kingTD | Zolden stuck with making new builder and not updating map at all? |
| 15:48.39 | Zolden | kingTD you asked in the moment I pressed "publish" button |
| 15:48.48 | Zolden | nerfing ghosts |
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| 16:14.02 | kingTD | Zolden u still against using new notes for new patches... using same to confuse people |
| 16:15.41 | G0A | why should he use implemented bnet feature, he can do it better |
| 16:16.49 | kingTD | yeah, he is better than all of us :/ |
| 16:17.00 | kingTD | da weedman! |
| 16:24.42 | G0A | Zolden wave 5 win is so easy to make:) |
| 17:02.29 | kingTD | almost 100 food inc! (83) |
| 17:04.12 | kingTD | and 300gold inc |
| 17:06.14 | kingTD | still mass ghosts |
| 17:07.21 | kingTD | sadly they have queens so :s |
| 17:10.09 | kingTD | hmmm 1k gold in the bank :s |
| 17:12.38 | Zolden | and I lost to russian noobs |
| 17:14.07 | G0A | hehe |
| 17:14.24 | G0A | I won even though my 2 only teammate leaked all waves |
| 17:14.53 | G0A | 8 robotron + 2 anubis hold everything:D |
| 17:15.15 | kingTD | i lost to 1 v 4 |
| 17:16.05 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/ASggx.jpg |
| 17:18.34 | G0A | Zolden wanna play with us? |
| 17:19.01 | Zolden | lemme check if my dude online |
| 17:19.08 | Zolden | i'll play vs you with him |
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| 17:22.11 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 17:23.04 | ArcanePariah | Good (Morning/Afternoon/Evening, depending on time zone) everyone |
| 17:23.28 | kingTD | good night! |
| 17:23.45 | ArcanePariah | Heh |
| 17:23.54 | Zolden | kingTD he said he will finish in 10 minutes |
| 17:23.57 | Zolden | u ok to wait? |
| 17:24.17 | ArcanePariah | Anyone explode anything in here, have the inmates taken over the asylum yet, etc? |
| 17:24.52 | ArcanePariah | Has Zolden cloned Hitler yet? |
| 17:25.00 | kingTD | :D |
| 17:25.06 | G0A | He is a clone of Hitler:) |
| 17:25.07 | kingTD | zolden its a greeting! |
| 17:25.59 | Zolden | ArcanePariah hey, you want one? |
| 17:26.03 | Zolden | I have too many preorders |
| 17:26.08 | Zolden | from different countries |
| 17:26.16 | Zolden | evenryone wants a hitler pet |
| 17:26.28 | ArcanePariah | In other news, having a dose of caffeine after an activity can boost memory of that activity |
| 17:26.30 | Zolden | G0A start, dude's playing |
| 17:26.58 | ArcanePariah | Zolden sure, what are the options on it? I kind of don't want the sieg heil feature |
| 17:27.10 | Zolden | moustache |
| 17:27.18 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... tricky... |
| 17:27.20 | Zolden | ArcanePariah coffeine helps to remember suff? |
| 17:27.29 | ArcanePariah | http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2014/01/13/how-a-little-caffeine-can-boost-your-memory/ |
| 17:28.58 | Zolden | i like memory |
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| 18:06.57 | JademusSreg | Floop. |
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| 18:13.41 | Zandose | hey |
| 18:19.11 | Zandose | i would ask if anyone wants to talk but that usually doesnt end well. |
| 18:24.23 | kingTD | not a woman, sorry |
| 18:25.03 | kingTD | hey i have this video |
| 18:25.04 | kingTD | so |
| 18:25.05 | kingTD | http://youtu.be/t49pzTX35Vc |
| 18:28.58 | Zandose | im trying to think of how to make this trigger. I want to find out how much a unit has walked/moved so i can give it points |
| 18:29.52 | Zandose | eh. ill do it later. time to go out |
| 18:30.16 | Zolden | it's easy |
| 18:30.50 | Zandose | please do tell. ill check back later to see |
| 18:31.14 | Zandose | ty |
| 18:31.36 | Zolden | there's a validator of order queue type, use Move order for it |
| 18:31.59 | Zolden | and a behavior, that will be enabled when a unit moves |
| 18:32.18 | Zolden | this behavior will have a periodic effect, taht can do something points related |
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| 19:07.22 | ArcanePariah | Yoink, I'm back |
| 19:13.02 | JademusSreg | Brak. |
| 19:15.27 | A1win | it's an addiction, and I ain't proud of it, but the power that you feel; there's no cloud in it |
| 19:16.21 | Zolden | A1win it's what hitler used to say about making war vs europe |
| 19:16.58 | Sfiv | A1win, voimmeko olla parhaat ystävät? |
| 19:17.01 | ArcanePariah | Ehh? |
| 19:17.14 | Sfiv | Hitler is just misunderstood |
| 19:17.30 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg is off killing a zerg, while present, A1win is addicted to something, Zolden has a Hitler reference, while we have Finnish language lessons? |
| 19:17.42 | ArcanePariah | mind blown |
| 19:17.44 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 19:18.23 | A1win | the usual |
| 19:19.02 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm |
| 19:19.17 | ArcanePariah | returns to NotD 1 and making tutorial on Attach Methods |
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| 19:20.53 | ArcanePariah | Sup Ahli_ |
| 19:21.03 | Dustin | Anyone know how the Max/Min/ Clamp fields work on the Behavior Damage Response? |
| 19:21.21 | Ahli_ | Germany had a beer cartell... |
| 19:21.53 | Ahli | opens bottle of beer which has been overpriced because of it |
| 19:22.40 | ArcanePariah | Dustin, Max is the maximum damage that can be reacted to. So for instance, in my game, we have a response that lowers damage to 25 (Clamp), with a Max of 100. So if you take over 100 damage, nothing happens |
| 19:22.45 | ArcanePariah | Minium is the same |
| 19:23.46 | ArcanePariah | Theroetically one can use this to set up multiple damage response behaviors with mutuall exclusive damage ranges to produce different effects based on damage |
| 19:23.46 | Zolden | i wouldn't care about prices if I were german, because german beer is so much beter than russian |
| 19:23.48 | Dustin | Hmmm so if I wanted it to count damage up to 100, then kick off an effect, could I do that? |
| 19:23.59 | ArcanePariah | Yes, you would set the Minimum to 100 |
| 19:24.16 | A1win | do you mean count damage from several sources? |
| 19:24.37 | Dustin | My original idea was all sources |
| 19:24.56 | ArcanePariah | Well, damage response is on a per source basis |
| 19:25.00 | Dustin | Like I have a unit that once he takes 500 damage it will set off an effect that cloaks him for 5 seconds |
| 19:25.19 | Dustin | Hmm per source could work too |
| 19:25.42 | Ahli | else... well... nothing is going on... I might continue working on the map objectives or on a state that allows you to be revived. I've already added tank repair interaction holding down the F button near it or I implement reviving and an incapacitated state of players. |
| 19:26.12 | Ahli | tank can be killed and made immobile using grenades already... |
| 19:26.30 | ArcanePariah | In the case of counting up, I would use triggers, and use the event to catch the damage response and get the damage dealt and add to counter, then on the variable reaching over 500, run the effect |
| 19:27.33 | Dustin | Yeah that'll just be a pain with my current systems |
| 19:27.38 | Dustin | Ill just make it per source |
| 19:28.20 | ArcanePariah | In which case, yes, just set minimum to 500, the effect - handled will only proc if a single source does over the minimum in damage |
| 19:29.57 | Dustin | Awesome, gonna test that out |
| 19:29.59 | Dustin | ty |
| 19:31.22 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/61146-diablo-iii-taylor-mouses-import-scripts/#p18 ohhh goatman :) |
| 19:32.15 | ArcanePariah | On a somewhat related note, JademusSreg, the default values present in damage response correspond to INT MAX/INT MIN for the data editor, what are the exact value? The number looks familiar but I'm not sure it corresponds to any base 2 number I know of (power of 2) |
| 19:33.04 | ArcanePariah | nvm |
| 19:33.06 | ArcanePariah | found it |
| 19:34.02 | ArcanePariah | hmm, this question sound familiar, I'm assumig 19 bits for whole value, and 12 bits for fractional with 1 bit for sign? |
| 19:34.24 | Zolden | Ahli is this goatman represents the D1 catacombs creature? |
| 19:34.25 | A1win | www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95H0IwbJSo pew pew |
| 19:34.30 | A1win | (carbot) |
| 19:35.52 | Ahli | it appears in cathedral and catacombs, yes |
| 19:36.21 | Zolden | he changed since d1 |
| 19:37.19 | Ahli | D3's one is less human, yeah :S |
| 19:38.45 | Zolden | this one looks more guileful and evil |
| 19:38.56 | Zolden | that one was just stupid goat |
| 19:39.05 | Zolden | G0At |
| 19:39.42 | Zolden | AhliG0Ator |
| 19:39.50 | Zolden | AhliG0ATDor |
| 19:40.02 | A1win | the horror |
| 19:44.38 | Ahli | hmm, the attachment points aren't sc2 standard, but... well... I can make that work... having an attachment point on the weapon to attach a flame would be cool, too... |
| 19:45.07 | Ahli | like wasn't overhead on a static position above the model? |
| 19:47.06 | Ahli | wow, starbow is super hyped right now |
| 19:47.52 | Zolden | by who? |
| 19:49.05 | Ahli | reddit, streamers... |
| 19:49.42 | Zolden | i played a game, and it appeared a map with broodwar units |
| 19:50.26 | Ahli | that's what it is... kind of... it's a mix of broodwar and sc2 to come closer to bw's gameplay than sc2 did |
| 19:50.52 | Zolden | yea, rather a hybrid |
| 19:52.02 | Ahli | and the public opinion of "protoss op" and "swarm host boring" gave melee modifications like starbow more exposure. |
| 19:52.10 | Zolden | do you have art tools, Ahli? it's easy to add attach points |
| 19:52.59 | Ahli | hang on, I check if I can start autodesk |
| 19:53.20 | Ahli | 3ds max... I should have it, but I've no idea how to use 3dsmax :D |
| 19:54.54 | ArcanePariah | My impression is that people wanted less large scale strategy deciding games and more low level tactical decisions |
| 19:55.36 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 19:55.44 | ArcanePariah | IE, you chose a poor counter to the opponent strat, you lose seems to not go over well, rewards long term planning and thinking over actual play skill |
| 19:56.03 | ArcanePariah | People want basically more action, less thinking |
| 19:56.10 | ArcanePariah | less long term* thinking |
| 19:56.44 | ArcanePariah | Which explains why MobAs are popular, lots of action, little long term thinking |
| 19:57.01 | Ahli | yeah, they want more than one deciding battle and more ways to recover to get back into the game I think |
| 19:57.02 | Zolden | and it's sad, because is opposite to what I like |
| 19:57.42 | ArcanePariah | Which, by providing more outs, punishes any kind of long term strategy, since no strategy will actually win you the game |
| 19:57.58 | Zolden | 5-10 apm, zero micro, deep strategic overthinking the opponent, calling him noob |
| 19:58.02 | ArcanePariah | You have to basically assume any strat will do some damage, but will never ever win the game |
| 19:58.11 | A1win | hearthstone is interesting, because the games themselves are pretty quick and require little long-term thinking, but if you want to be any good, you need to do meta research and deckbuilding |
| 19:58.32 | JademusSreg | Contextual shifts. |
| 19:58.35 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that is a product of being a turn based game with player controlled setups |
| 19:58.53 | ArcanePariah | RTS, you get to act now, at all times, + no changing the nature of setup |
| 19:59.00 | Ahli | Zolden, how do I do stuff with 3dsmax + art tools? |
| 19:59.23 | ArcanePariah | Which is good because Hearthston will inevitalby run in to the same issue MTG has had at times: Win at deck select |
| 19:59.30 | A1win | hmm, an RTT game where you "deck-build" your setup before the game starts |
| 19:59.37 | Zolden | Ahli you wnat to use it to get d3 models to work? |
| 19:59.54 | Ahli | I want to learn to edit attachment points and import and export models |
| 20:00.00 | Ahli | then d3 models |
| 20:00.16 | Ahli | I've team viewer, if required |
| 20:00.23 | ArcanePariah | Basically, people wnat games where they can SEE everything, not a game where most of the game is decided in the players heads |
| 20:00.48 | Zolden | Ahli if you have a .max model, you just creat attachment points, attach them to the bones, change their types to ssc2 stuff like Ref_Weapon, and import as m3 |
| 20:01.07 | Ahli | so, first step? |
| 20:01.36 | Zolden | i have team viewer too, just need to remember where it is |
| 20:01.42 | Zolden | lemme check |
| 20:01.58 | Ahli | m61-239-096 |
| 20:02.07 | Ahli | import dialog has no m3 support |
| 20:02.27 | JademusSreg | In many of the more interesting CCGs (MtG), each card has the potential to change the context within which assets and choices are evaluated, which tends to make each individual action meaningful while also providing means by which to reverse fortune and return from a disadvantaged position. |
| 20:03.03 | Ahli | you can download teamviewer and start it without installation, too, I think |
| 20:03.24 | ArcanePariah | Correct, and the most powerful cards in MTG have been the ones that break that rule, placing the opponent in a position that is unwinnable (either immediately or long term) |
| 20:03.32 | Zolden | Ahli can I click through this? |
| 20:03.32 | A1win | speaking of card games, Android: Netrunner is amazing |
| 20:03.37 | Zolden | or jsut show? |
| 20:03.41 | Ahli | no, just show |
| 20:03.44 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:04.00 | Zolden | it doesn't show the floater |
| 20:04.37 | Zolden | oh, ok, now it does |
| 20:04.43 | Ahli | yay |
| 20:04.44 | Zolden | so, waht do you whave and what you want to achieve |
| 20:04.52 | Zolden | is there m3 model? |
| 20:05.00 | Ahli | import a model |
| 20:05.05 | JademusSreg | If RTS design were to employ more contextual shifts in their mechanics, it may benefit, and would at least be interesting. |
| 20:05.17 | Zolden | it's m3, and we need max |
| 20:05.18 | Zolden | why? |
| 20:05.26 | Zolden | because m3 importer fucks some things |
| 20:05.42 | Ahli | because I've no max files :S |
| 20:05.45 | Zolden | can I please connect to you in "clicks are possible" mode? |
| 20:05.59 | Zolden | or you want to learn by clicking? |
| 20:06.42 | Ahli | learning would be cool |
| 20:06.46 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:06.55 | Zolden | let's get back to that no clicks mode |
| 20:06.59 | Ahli | doing stuff yourself is like driving somewhere... when you are driven, you don't learn the way |
| 20:07.00 | Zolden | middle mouse won't work anyway |
| 20:07.03 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg I would agree, but that is where asymmetry of information becomes a problem. Often such shifts catch a player unaware and they lose immediately |
| 20:07.08 | Ahli | m13-673-658 |
| 20:07.14 | JademusSreg | I've been interested in exploring such designs, though I have yet to prototype any such thing. |
| 20:07.41 | Zolden | do you know where are the example models? |
| 20:07.45 | ArcanePariah | UNless of course, you make such shift unable to produce game ending results, but then they are looked upon as less favorable usually |
| 20:07.46 | Zolden | art tools include example models |
| 20:07.54 | JademusSreg | Arc, yes, that's often an issue in CCGs, which lack the breadth of space-time RTS games typically have. =D |
| 20:08.11 | Ahli | yeah :D |
| 20:08.19 | Zolden | open any of them |
| 20:08.27 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but in a CCG you can at least evaluate things as they happen, RTS give no such luxary |
| 20:08.47 | Zolden | if i connect a mic, will u hear me? |
| 20:08.54 | ArcanePariah | Don't react instantly to an Oracle/HT/Medivac drop on your workers? GG |
| 20:09.10 | Ahli | no idea :D |
| 20:09.16 | Ahli | seems like there is functionality for that |
| 20:09.28 | Ahli | but I was using skype in the past weeks for teamviewer |
| 20:09.29 | JademusSreg | I sense the weight of assumptions bearing on the idea of RTS. =D |
| 20:09.51 | Zolden | let's use skype |
| 20:09.57 | Zolden | vladimir_govnov |
| 20:10.07 | Ahli | just add me, you can see my id on the screen |
| 20:10.12 | ArcanePariah | True, I am assuming Asymmetry of Information, but that not need be the case |
| 20:10.31 | ArcanePariah | Also, I am assuming a macro component, which is also not necessary |
| 20:10.36 | ArcanePariah | IE Resource gathering |
| 20:11.03 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, C&C 4 deviated from that with no real base building/resource system and was considered inferior for it |
| 20:11.19 | ArcanePariah | Could be the deviation from previous games, but it still was not received well |
| 20:11.31 | A1win | maybe it just wasn't done well |
| 20:11.31 | A1win | ;p |
| 20:11.53 | A1win | that genre is sometimes called RTT (real-time tactics) |
| 20:12.08 | JademusSreg | Yes, haha. Assumptions are problematic; better to begin from the position of how could a thing be done than how could a thing be a problem, as the latter makes asssumptions about the thing, presupposing its very opposition. =D |
| 20:12.12 | A1win | if you go change a game's genre too much, no wonder people react badly |
| 20:12.15 | ArcanePariah | Well, elimnating resources management turns the game effectively into a 3rd person based tactical squad game, similar to DoW 2, just more units (Like how Retribution was done) |
| 20:12.40 | ArcanePariah | Yes A1win, exactly |
| 20:12.55 | JademusSreg | Genres are conventions, not prescriptions. |
| 20:13.14 | ArcanePariah | RTS, by the name, implies Real Time, so all player act in tandem, not in discrete, mutually exclusive time segments |
| 20:13.29 | Zolden | sec, i'll find where to enable the mic |
| 20:13.37 | Ahli | just talk |
| 20:13.40 | Ahli | I can hear stuff |
| 20:13.44 | Ahli | breathing |
| 20:13.56 | ArcanePariah | And strategy implies that one must employ more then simple tactical maneveurs, that ones choices of WHAT to field is as important as HOW they are fielded |
| 20:16.11 | JademusSreg | Tangent, can hardly think of a game which doesn't feature strategy at some level of play (or meta-game), whether real or imaginary (for instance, magical thinking involved in games of chance). |
| 20:18.55 | ArcanePariah | Yes, because ultimately superior strategy will cancel out tactics, rarely is the reverse true, or takes more tactics to overcome a given strategy |
| 20:21.08 | ArcanePariah | Usually throughout history, techonology > strategy > tactics, it takes far more of the lesser to overcome the greater |
| 20:21.44 | ArcanePariah | Napeoloen, even with his brillance as a comander, would still be easily crrushed by modern tanks |
| 20:21.50 | JademusSreg | Snack Track enters play; units you control gain +10 life; units within 3 meters gain +1 life regen. |
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| 20:31.50 | Ahli | yay, now I can make attachment points on models, if I have their model in max :D |
| 20:33.15 | Ahli | thank you zolden :) |
| 20:33.19 | Zandose | Zolden... |
| 20:33.19 | Zolden | np |
| 20:33.20 | Zandose | <Zolden> there's a validator of order queue type, use Move order for it |
| 20:33.21 | Zandose | <Zolden> and a behavior, that will be enabled when a unit moves |
| 20:33.21 | Zandose | <Zolden> this behavior will have a periodic effect, taht can do something points related |
| 20:33.25 | JademusSreg | Holden Cougheel, Unique Hobo; other Hobos you control gain +3 armor; target unit you control becomes a Hobo. |
| 20:33.28 | Zandose | thats data not triggers right? |
| 20:33.42 | Zolden | Zandose data |
| 20:33.50 | Zolden | "hobo" is a fun word |
| 20:34.00 | Zandose | i wanted to do it in triggers for more control |
| 20:34.10 | Zandose | well ease of use for me anyways |
| 20:34.31 | Zolden | if you catch the effect that the behavior periodically execute, you can use it for triggering stuff |
| 20:34.39 | Zolden | "effect used" action |
| 20:34.41 | Zandose | i need to set the "points number" to a variable |
| 20:34.50 | Zandose | hmm |
| 20:34.57 | Zolden | not actiom, event |
| 20:35.00 | Zolden | effect used event |
| 20:35.05 | Zolden | and then do stuff you want |
| 20:35.14 | Zandose | but it doesnt take into account the distance moved |
| 20:35.22 | Zolden | for example, you can hold points in unit's custom value |
| 20:35.31 | Zandose | maybe i should have stated that before :/ |
| 20:35.34 | Zolden | and add there a point at each effect used |
| 20:36.10 | Zandose | ah, a stacking effect based on move and movement speed? |
| 20:36.55 | Zolden | if you do waht I said, effect will periodically be executed when unit is moving |
| 20:37.02 | Zolden | and not be executed wehn unit is not moving |
| 20:37.15 | Zolden | unit speed can be got other way |
| 20:37.54 | Zandose | got it. just trying to think of a way to keep track of how much movement the unit has done. the unit can change movement speeds |
| 20:37.56 | JademusSreg | The more jokes I make about it, the better the idea sounds. |
| 20:39.30 | Zandose | guess i could go with checking the poistion of the unit, save to variable, then... compare the units new position to the old position |
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| 20:41.01 | Zolden | JademusSreg hitler also started as a stand up comedy actor, and made alot of jew jokes |
| 20:41.51 | Zolden | Zandose you can check unit's speed via catalog... though, not sure if you way of changing unit speed will waffect the value catalog get function returns |
| 20:43.05 | Zandose | i think the simple distancebetween(current position vs last position) will work fine. takes changing speeds into account |
| 20:44.06 | Zolden | yea, if unit's turn frequency is less then the frequency of the effect appearence |
| 20:44.24 | Zolden | you can keep the coordinates in other unit's custom values |
| 20:44.52 | Zandose | turning aint that big of a deal. ill make the trigger faster then the human |
| 20:45.45 | Zolden | once a second will be ok |
| 20:46.07 | Zolden | you don't need to pay perfmance for preciseness |
| 20:46.07 | Zandose | was going to go for .5 |
| 20:46.13 | Zolden | .5 is also ok |
| 20:46.43 | Zandose | are unit positions async'ed so theirs no network stuff? |
| 20:48.42 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 20:49.58 | Zandose | done. now back to figuring out how to make a quest system |
| 20:52.31 | Zandose | anyone make a quest system before? |
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| 20:59.23 | Ahli | if quest system means that you track the state of a quest in an integer and add elements to a list depending on the integer and play stuff when clicked depending on the integer, yes... |
| 21:00.09 | kingTD | yes |
| 21:00.28 | kingTD | there in assets section in sc2mapster done such things |
| 21:00.34 | kingTD | by some peeps |
| 21:00.55 | kingTD | there was like triggering event or something that few people where making those |
| 21:02.15 | Zandose | i shall look |
| 21:02.21 | kingTD | u shall |
| 21:02.37 | kingTD | so whats the verdict on the perfect RTS way to make it happen? :]] |
| 21:03.08 | ArcanePariah | Zandose, your best bet is to look at how Blizzard tracks progress in the campaign |
| 21:03.35 | Zandose | i dont belivev that system wont work for me |
| 21:03.40 | ArcanePariah | Namely, they mark with integers each mission as not started, started, completed (1, 2 ,3) and then use bank conditions to check progress |
| 21:04.05 | Zandose | ^thats the simple part and i have it mostly done |
| 21:05.13 | Zandose | dynamic dialogs for quests are done and tracking of which part of the quest is done. |
| 21:05.28 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so then you probably want to see how Blizzard stores all the stuff related to missions, namely, you want to use User Types to store data (Name, description, reward text, etc) |
| 21:05.29 | Zandose | im having trouble with the actual map-trigger part |
| 21:05.31 | Zandose | uh |
| 21:05.43 | Zandose | oh |
| 21:06.18 | ArcanePariah | All the objects found in the Campaign section of the data editor are simply User Types that Blizzard made, I would sugguest you make your own as needed |
| 21:06.44 | Zandose | i was just going to keep track of everything with variables |
| 21:07.34 | ArcanePariah | Only use variables for things that actually change in game |
| 21:07.46 | ArcanePariah | I doubt your missions/quest names are going to change in game |
| 21:08.08 | Zandose | quests are randomly generated |
| 21:08.32 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that is fine, but each quest name, is it going to change? Is a given quest objective going to change? |
| 21:08.54 | ArcanePariah | Probably not. So store each quest in the data editor, and randomly pick from one |
| 21:09.34 | Zandose | quests are not pre-defined but randomly made |
| 21:12.36 | Zandose | ever buy chicken strips hoping that they use normal chicken and not that processed mesh |
| 21:13.12 | ArcanePariah | Sure, depends on how much I paid. |
| 21:13.28 | Zandose | it was $10 vs $14 |
| 21:13.38 | Zandose | the picture looked promising |
| 21:13.46 | Zandose | never again.... |
| 21:14.04 | ArcanePariah | Also, are we talking at a store or a restaraunt? |
| 21:14.13 | Zandose | store. frozen food |
| 21:14.47 | Zandose | i tried a new kind because the picture looked like real chicken not mush. |
| 21:15.16 | Zandose | they should state on the box "not mush" or something |
| 21:15.32 | Zandose | everyone box says "made with real chicken" |
| 21:15.32 | Ahli | should the d3 app importer 3dsmax script open a dialog when I run it? |
| 21:15.34 | ArcanePariah | Well, I assume the ingredient list would reveal the true contents |
| 21:15.44 | Zandose | they all start with chicken |
| 21:15.49 | Ahli | Zolden, should the d3 app importer 3dsmax script open a dialog when I run it? |
| 21:16.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, it is true, it is chicken, you are objecting to what they do to the chicken afterwards |
| 21:16.08 | Zandose | they never say chicken (uh grounded up and stuff added) |
| 21:16.45 | Zandose | these mush chicken strips taste wired |
| 21:17.17 | Zandose | well back to the old kind... |
| 21:18.40 | Ahli | ahhh got it |
| 21:18.42 | Zandose | as for the quests system thing, i think i got a general idea now of how to handle some of the different quests |
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| 21:20.17 | mille25 | hi |
| 21:20.19 | ArcanePariah | sup mille25 |
| 21:20.55 | mille25 | does anybody know if its possible to create a portrait camera which always looks at a certain attach point of the portrait model and has a certain distance from it? |
| 21:21.14 | ArcanePariah | I believe so |
| 21:21.28 | ArcanePariah | Triggers or UI XML? |
| 21:21.33 | ArcanePariah | or data |
| 21:21.45 | mille25 | the portraits would have to be managed via triggers. the portrait model is unknown. |
| 21:23.23 | Zandose | i believe a actor is used for the model in the portrait. so you can send actor messages to change the models position. |
| 21:23.46 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but you can also directly control the portrait camera, and make it look at a point |
| 21:24.16 | Zandose | oh, didnt know |
| 21:24.31 | ArcanePariah | I know it is used with conversations to manipulate how the camera looks at portraits for different covos |
| 21:26.17 | mille25 | the question is, can the camera look at attachment points? |
| 21:26.22 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 21:26.35 | mille25 | since the model is unknown the size and dimensions of the models are unknown too, which makes it impossible for me to just hardcode a position. |
| 21:27.07 | Ahli | unknown? what the hell are you doing? :D |
| 21:27.09 | mille25 | so how would i go about creating a camera which always, lets say, looks at the head attachment point with a distance of 0.5? |
| 21:37.26 | ArcanePariah | mille25 is this in the context of a created portrait that will hang around, or is this for a given unit to speak? |
| 21:38.01 | mille25 | i have a portrait created via triggers which will contain an unknown model, but should always just show its head. |
| 21:41.44 | ArcanePariah | Uggh, I think I ran into this similar issue before. Portraits kind of suck because the "camera" in them are actually directly tied to the model itself |
| 21:58.54 | Zolden | Ahli it creates a script in a thing |
| 21:59.00 | Zolden | Ahli let me show where |
| 22:01.03 | Ahli | I got it, Zolden :D |
| 22:01.14 | Zolden | ok |
| 22:02.50 | Kanban85 | Is it possible to make trigger pull info from external sources |
| 22:02.53 | Kanban85 | like a wepage |
| 22:03.12 | Kanban85 | let's say you have an external ranking system on a web-page can you program the editor to find taht information? |
| 22:03.56 | ArcanePariah | No |
| 22:04.13 | ArcanePariah | And blizzard will never allow that for security reasons |
| 22:04.38 | Kanban85 | Not even wget, httpd get etc? |
| 22:05.32 | ArcanePariah | Correct, since how would they know wth you are downloading and how it will be interpreted? |
| 22:05.38 | Kanban85 | ok :/ |
| 22:06.07 | ArcanePariah | As a general rule, that is becoming more and more prevalent in computer connections is: Trust no one |
| 22:06.17 | ArcanePariah | Either check everything coming in, or block it |
| 22:07.17 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/LE5pT.jpg |
| 22:10.47 | kingTD | pussycat |
| 22:12.27 | Dustin | Nope |
| 22:12.33 | Dustin | oops |
| 22:13.07 | G0A | Last big Hearstone balance changes: http://eu.battle.net/hearthstone/en/forum/topic/9256676481 seems like they are realizing the game soon |
| 22:13.34 | G0A | releasing* lol |
| 22:14.40 | Dustin | I hope they add some more cards to it |
| 22:14.54 | Dustin | Cause I got bored with the limited amount they had a few months ago |
| 22:18.10 | G0A | they will probably |
| 22:18.27 | G0A | though this patch didnt fix mage, its still op... |
| 22:24.40 | Zolden | when will they release sc2 patch |
| 22:24.47 | Zolden | we're fuckign waiting |
| 22:24.57 | mille25 | soon(tm) |
| 22:25.29 | DeadZergling | maybe the dev team is too busy playing hearthstone |
| 22:25.36 | DeadZergling | to bother getting 2.1 done |
| 22:25.45 | mille25 | itll honestly be soon though |
| 22:25.49 | mille25 | not only blizzard soon :D |
| 22:27.18 | Zolden | it never soon until it's released ;/ |
| 22:27.44 | Zolden | slightly kicks a stone holding hands in pockets |
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| 22:46.07 | Ahli | what's the word for "not required"? unrequired? ;S |
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| 22:48.27 | Ahli | redundant |
| 22:50.39 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, I would have to say unrequited is probably what you are looking for |
| 22:59.02 | mille25 | ArcanePariah: "Uggh, I think I ran into this similar issue before. Portraits kind of suck because the "camera" in them are actually directly tied to the model itself" hmm.. but there is a trigger action to set a portraits camera based on a string parameter. |
| 22:59.24 | mille25 | ArcanePariah: the issue im having is just that i cant even figure out where those cameras get defined, since it doesnt seem to be normal cameras. |
| 22:59.41 | mille25 | at least i cant find the camera specified in some portraits within the cameras tab. |
| 23:00.01 | ArcanePariah | You can set the camera to a camera object defined in data, but I do not know how to make those point where you want them to be |
| 23:00.19 | Ahli | what's the command to create a unit using a chat message? |
| 23:00.35 | Ahli | got it |
| 23:01.37 | ArcanePariah | The string set by the portrait action sets the camera to the id of the camera defined in data |
| 23:03.41 | mille25 | just to give you an example here: all camera fields of tge adept portrait model are set to "Star2Camera01", which does not exist in the cameras tab. |
| 23:04.29 | mille25 | im not sure if im looking at the right fields of the portrait model but thats all i can find about portrait cameras |
| 23:04.36 | mille25 | just weird, undocumented non existing references :( |
| 23:05.51 | mille25 | and the trigger action also just takes a string without any additional documentation whatsoever. |
| 23:07.45 | ArcanePariah | The string is to be the ID for the camera data |
| 23:09.21 | mille25 | and whats Star2Camera01? :D |
| 23:09.53 | ArcanePariah | That is a good question, trying to determine atm |
| 23:40.45 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg (or anyone else) another question about persistent. Is the periodic offsets determine from the location field? |
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| 23:57.15 | Zandose | did mille25 solve the portrait thing? |
| 23:58.51 | ArcanePariah | afaik, no |
