| 00:00.34 | DeadZergling | probably why I spent a week or two on Z's project honestly |
| 00:00.41 | DeadZergling | not to play so much as point out why it is bad |
| 00:01.01 | A1win | ;p |
| 00:01.28 | A1win | I don't usually find quality assurance fun :P |
| 00:01.50 | DeadZergling | not a high enough level snob I guess |
| 00:03.14 | DeadZergling | Real thorough testing from an outside perspective is something a lot of projects lack I think |
| 00:03.41 | A1win | yeah... no one wants to do it :P |
| 00:03.59 | A1win | unless it's a fun project |
| 00:05.34 | DeadZergling | fun is very subjective though |
| 00:05.59 | A1win | yeah but the number of people who find something fun is objective :P |
| 00:06.27 | DeadZergling | based on their subjective experience |
| 00:07.24 | DeadZergling | but anyways, I find that mappers really hate stuff that takes long to do much in gamewise compared to regular players |
| 00:07.59 | A1win | I was just exaggerating and generalizing, what I meant was that the less people that find a project fun, the more difficult it is to find outside testers for it |
| 00:09.20 | DeadZergling | indeed, I have a pool I can grab from if I really want testing though, lol |
| 00:09.39 | DeadZergling | tell my little brother to, I know he sits around doing absolutely nothing all day |
| 00:09.50 | DeadZergling | ask the dragon rpg people to check it out, lol |
| 00:10.40 | A1win | ugh I've eaten like twice as much today as I usually do and yet I'm still hungry D: |
| 00:11.01 | A1win | maybe I don't usually eat enough ;p |
| 00:11.19 | DeadZergling | if you don't eat enough, your body doesn't know it wants more food sometimes |
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| 00:26.25 | Zandose | yo |
| 00:29.55 | DeadZergling | Joe |
| 00:49.00 | A1win | oh it's friday already |
| 00:49.06 | A1win | no more hearthstone then ;p |
| 00:49.24 | A1win | for a whole hour |
| 00:50.01 | A1win | I was afraid of this day to come |
| 00:50.58 | DeadZergling | why? |
| 00:51.09 | A1win | ;p |
| 01:21.03 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, another interesting discovery/reason to use hookups |
| 01:21.53 | ArcanePariah | Trigger created dialog controls can not be manipulated via the ingame UI editor, whereas anything created from UI XML is |
| 01:22.33 | JademusSreg | is - |
| 01:23.17 | ArcanePariah | extra space ftw |
| 01:23.20 | ArcanePariah | So yeah |
| 01:24.57 | JademusSreg | Had trouble parsing that. =D |
| 01:26.08 | JademusSreg | That limitation is probably a side-effect of dialog control properties being player-instanced. |
| 01:26.48 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, or as a result of all trigger dialog controls being created from a single template per type |
| 01:26.51 | JademusSreg | Modifying the UI means fuckall when there's effectively a version for each player. |
| 01:27.50 | ArcanePariah | True, but creating from hookups and manipulating in game is MUCH faster to tweak, pplay with and troubleshoot then modifying something in code, hit test, look at, go back, rinse repeat |
| 01:27.55 | DeadZergling | lol, funny you mention dialogs, had my most productive day at work in quite awhile as far as throwing a new dialog together goes |
| 01:28.49 | JademusSreg | Makes sense, and insightful. Useful knowledge when it comes to prototyping. |
| 01:28.59 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm |
| 01:29.50 | ArcanePariah | Assuming they ever finish it, the in game Ui editor looks to be a WYSIWYG editor, since the controls for dragging/dropping elements and resizing them are there, they just do nothing, and editing some fields does nothing |
| 01:30.03 | ArcanePariah | I imagine it IS finished, but for Storm |
| 01:30.11 | ArcanePariah | And needs to be ported back over |
| 01:30.52 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:30.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:31.06 | ArcanePariah | Also, it just occured to me, one can use extension mods to create alternate UI's for melee since mod data can contain UI data |
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| 03:29.48 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 03:30.31 | Bounty | Pew |
| 03:30.52 | Bounty | $2065 for a 3 br apartment lol |
| 03:30.56 | Bounty | all utilities included |
| 03:30.58 | Bounty | good? |
| 03:31.09 | JademusSreg | Lately you've been messaging me while I've been away, haha. |
| 03:31.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:31.39 | Bounty | well I kind of gave up on that JademusSreg |
| 03:31.48 | Bounty | I am going to go ahead and figure you will not be doing the logo |
| 03:31.48 | JademusSreg | On? |
| 03:32.00 | Bounty | which is fine |
| 03:32.07 | JademusSreg | I can, just gotta catch me at the right time, maaan. |
| 03:32.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:32.19 | Bounty | but you already know what to do! |
| 03:32.24 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:32.53 | JademusSreg | Naw, more like reminding me when I have the time. |
| 03:33.11 | Bounty | Make a sticky note |
| 03:33.55 | JademusSreg | I prefer to do whatever interests me, however capricious it may seem. |
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| 03:34.55 | Bounty | I should interest you at least 3 times a day though |
| 03:35.12 | Bounty | but anyways |
| 03:35.17 | Bounty | what do you think of that apartment quote? |
| 03:35.28 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:35.30 | JademusSreg | I've always got stimulating shit to do, stuff of which I'm not reminded with immediacy tends to get delayed. |
| 03:36.40 | JademusSreg | Too many variables to say, but I'd consider income, cost of living, the contract, the reputation of the feudal lord to which you will be tethered. |
| 03:37.17 | Bounty | Just saying in general, we can afford it |
| 03:37.24 | Bounty | all utilities |
| 03:37.28 | Bounty | are included in the rent |
| 03:37.52 | Bounty | But it sounds alittle expensive to me lol |
| 03:38.04 | Bounty | might just be Jersey prices >.< |
| 03:38.18 | DeadZergling | no idea, 2065 sounds terrible to me |
| 03:38.27 | DeadZergling | and I'm used to Washington state prices :P |
| 03:39.09 | JademusSreg | I don't quite understand. If you can afford it, about what then are you asking? |
| 03:39.12 | DeadZergling | do those utilities include all electricity and water? |
| 03:39.43 | DeadZergling | 3 bedroom over here is 1300, doesn't include utils though |
| 03:42.19 | DeadZergling | anyways I'm out, have fun blowing money Bounty |
| 03:46.34 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:46.45 | Bounty | I was just asking if it was a good price or not lol |
| 03:47.00 | Bounty | I think the wife is attracted by the all utilities included thing |
| 03:47.47 | Bounty | Because I am picky JademusSreg |
| 03:47.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:47.54 | Bounty | Thats why :) |
| 03:48.05 | Bounty | Whats the word for it? Frugal |
| 03:48.18 | Bounty | Place is 1500 sq ft |
| 03:51.34 | JademusSreg | So about 38^2? |
| 03:52.36 | JademusSreg | Or approximately 6 tall humans by 6 tall humans across? |
| 03:53.34 | Bounty | sure |
| 03:53.47 | Bounty | its on the top floor and in the corner, so you only have 2 neighbors :) |
| 03:53.56 | Bounty | I am not quite sure why I am even bringing this up in here haha |
| 03:54.19 | JademusSreg | I enjoy having neighbors in separate buildings. |
| 03:54.59 | Bounty | I personally want a mobile home in the sticks |
| 03:55.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:55.14 | Bounty | You get more for your dollar per square foot |
| 03:55.27 | Bounty | and we don't we twisters out here |
| 03:55.43 | Bounty | Heres a question for you JademusSreg |
| 03:56.06 | Bounty | The person showing us the apartment said that the apartments are separated by 8" ceramic bricks |
| 03:56.20 | Bounty | When I asked about noise |
| 03:56.33 | Bounty | How absorbent are ceramic bricks when it comes to noise? |
| 03:58.23 | Deaod | Jade, what are you talking about with the point type arithmetics? |
| 04:00.37 | JademusSreg | Bounty, accoustics is not exactly simple, but I expect the structure of the ceramic brick and their arrangement will inform their noise dampening ability. |
| 04:01.26 | JademusSreg | Deaod, tested +/- operators on point the other day, I was curious how it dealt with the other two fields points have. |
| 04:01.46 | Deaod | oh, points have other fields? |
| 04:01.48 | JademusSreg | Turns out it ignores the facing and height fields entirely. |
| 04:01.49 | Deaod | hm |
| 04:01.50 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:02.22 | JademusSreg | And by ignore, I mean returns a point with correctly calculated x and y fields, and default facing and height field.s |
| 04:02.51 | JademusSreg | Figured that would be worth noting somewhere in your docs. |
| 04:03.21 | Deaod | yup |
| 04:04.01 | JademusSreg | Points: shitty Vec2 or a stupidly shitty Vec4. |
| 04:04.08 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:06.41 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, I've never used the Billboard actor type, but it looks interesting. Might be the solution to the Herostorm highlighting. |
| 04:15.40 | Deaod | alright, added another note to the operators document |
| 04:17.16 | Bounty | Never should have expected a simple answer from you JademusSreg =P |
| 05:02.06 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, the Billboard actor appears to be a form of site actor where the site makes itself either move towards the camera, or makes itself always seen regardless of camera angle and blocking objects (Basically ignore all camera layering and place itself on top like a 2D object) |
| 05:02.33 | ArcanePariah | The only instance is used as a the Host Actor for the nuke indicator that is seen by enemies |
| 05:02.58 | ArcanePariah | It appears to be a way to get 2D like rendering without complicated site ops |
| 05:15.57 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, Queried Actors are a way to use Attach Methods to create actors on another actor |
| 05:19.18 | ArcanePariah | TL DR version, you create a Queried Actor targeting another Model actor, and it will create the actor in the SpawnTarget filed on all locations that pass the attach method query |
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| 05:22.29 | ArcanePariah | Hello ZandoseAFK |
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| 05:52.03 | DeadZergling | Silly question, how do you disable labels from overriding text colors? |
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| 05:58.50 | DeadZergling | Or am I stuck with crapping giant images with text in there, all one color for label is lame |
| 06:04.52 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:06.01 | JademusSreg | Deadz, are you assigning tint/color to the label or button or whatever? |
| 06:07.07 | DeadZergling | kind of have to when creating the label |
| 06:07.14 | DeadZergling | is part of the function to create it |
| 06:07.50 | JademusSreg | Not in the native.s |
| 06:07.53 | JademusSreg | *natives |
| 06:08.44 | JademusSreg | Instead of using their shorthand function, use the Create Dialog Item, and set its type as Label. |
| 06:10.23 | DeadZergling | wonder if this will allow multiple colors |
| 06:10.30 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 06:14.05 | DeadZergling | took a little while to find all the other settings it needs, but not too bad, have to try it out real quick to confirm |
| 06:20.38 | JademusSreg | When dealing with dialog items, it's much, much better to make your own functions to initialize their properties than rely on the shorthand functions. |
| 06:21.18 | JademusSreg | I remember the exact same confusion when tinkering with GUI dialog item shit back in 2010. |
| 06:21.27 | DeadZergling | aye, I crapped all that into a function |
| 06:21.35 | JademusSreg | Goot mon. |
| 06:21.39 | DeadZergling | so I just have to give that function what it wants when I want multiple colors |
| 06:22.06 | DeadZergling | Nothing too extravagant, just want the thing being explained to get a special color in the Help Menu |
| 06:22.12 | DeadZergling | thanks for the assist JademusSreg |
| 06:22.57 | ArcanePariah | Or better yet, spend the endless hours to learn the arcane ways of the UI XML and just use hookups :D |
| 06:23.35 | ArcanePariah | Probably going to template out every UI element I can now |
| 06:23.38 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:23.43 | JademusSreg | No problem, Deadz. |
| 06:23.56 | ArcanePariah | Which is what Blizzard did for Swarm, they mass templated and hooked up |
| 06:24.03 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:24.23 | ArcanePariah | Was hookups added after Wings was released? |
| 06:24.28 | JademusSreg | Overall, they handled swarm campaign content much more efficiently. |
| 06:24.49 | ArcanePariah | If so, explains why WoL UI was done all in dialogs, and why Swarm added sooooo many UI templates |
| 06:25.16 | ArcanePariah | Esp with Campaign data objects to store everything |
| 06:25.37 | JademusSreg | Hm, I'd need to consult ancient sources to be certain, but a lot of fun shit was added around 1.5. |
| 06:26.02 | ArcanePariah | Any bets we get similar revamps with 2.1/2.2? |
| 06:26.18 | JademusSreg | 2.1? No, there's no indication of that. |
| 06:26.24 | ArcanePariah | 2.1 obviously is mostly serverside stuff, but 2.2 is sounding like major editor stuff |
| 06:26.55 | JademusSreg | I opened up the most recent PTR build, 28272, no script there, either. |
| 06:26.59 | ArcanePariah | One of the Blizzard devs indicated that Rectangle search effects were being added |
| 06:27.03 | ArcanePariah | in 2.2 |
| 06:27.31 | ArcanePariah | Which will be majorly helpful, since one can then eliminate the use of many persistents with offsets that were used to simulate line searches |
| 06:27.40 | JademusSreg | Oh, that reminds me, were you aware of RegionPolygon? Seems like a recent addition, because I tend to be alert to all actor types. |
| 06:27.56 | ArcanePariah | Yes, it is in my Region Tutorial, I mention it |
| 06:28.10 | ArcanePariah | It is a region actor that you can arbitraly define |
| 06:28.13 | JademusSreg | I simply cannot recall having seen it added. |
| 06:28.18 | ArcanePariah | as in define as its vertices |
| 06:28.53 | JademusSreg | Yes, of course. You should know by now I have near instant comprehension at a glance. =D |
| 06:29.08 | ArcanePariah | I find it slightly ironic that the Actor system has vastly more flexibility then the actual synchronus game data |
| 06:29.14 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:29.37 | ArcanePariah | With Polygon Region and Combine Region, one can construct virtually any kind of region actor and then use that to do all sorts of fun stuff :D |
| 06:29.39 | JademusSreg | Though there are certain motifs which occur throughout the data and script APIs. |
| 06:30.39 | JademusSreg | Still kills me how behind the curve the Region API is. |
| 06:31.57 | ArcanePariah | Like... a random idea would be to create a flat plane with point sized model actors, then create a region actor centered with a spinner like shape, and then apply a rotation siteop to the region and have the query to change the model colors, for a spinning on the ground color effeect :D |
| 06:32.41 | JademusSreg | Haha, coincidentally, that coincides with an idea I had, but it's grossly impractical. |
| 06:33.32 | ArcanePariah | The crazy shit is all the stuff Blizzard NEVER used, like their is a site op to do a snake like effect???? |
| 06:34.02 | ArcanePariah | One called Snake Head (which controlls the motion) and snake segments, which has a field to indicate the actor for the head (to follow?) |
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| 06:34.07 | JademusSreg | Since a single cell contains 4096^2 unique points, one would easily exceed the actor limit. |
| 06:34.55 | JademusSreg | It is kinda of used by the Viper. |
| 06:35.11 | ArcanePariah | Oh for the body motion? |
| 06:35.12 | JademusSreg | Surprisingly. |
| 06:35.16 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:35.28 | ArcanePariah | Oh yeah, current NotD doesnt have swarm dependenciew |
| 06:35.41 | ArcanePariah | I should look at those to see how some of the newer stuff is used |
| 06:35.50 | JademusSreg | Haha, no problem, the data types are still available. |
| 06:36.07 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but no working examples, thus my incorrect comment about Blizzard never using them |
| 06:36.12 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 06:37.59 | JademusSreg | Spent time today tinkering to figure out what actor shit the editor uses for Regions in the terrain editor. |
| 06:38.20 | ArcanePariah | Guide/QUad actors I assume |
| 06:38.51 | JademusSreg | Well, it exhibits strange behavior. |
| 06:39.20 | JademusSreg | It's rendered on one of the interface layers. |
| 06:39.31 | ArcanePariah | Oh, must be a aoe splat actor then |
| 06:39.44 | JademusSreg | Which means it should be Splat, Shadow, Selection, et cetera. |
| 06:40.08 | JademusSreg | Except it also renders to the terrain mesh, and is visible from below, most unsplatlike. |
| 06:40.43 | JademusSreg | And doesn't render on walkable planes or terrain adopting materials. |
| 06:41.21 | JademusSreg | -And- while I could fuck up every of text tag for points and shit, I couldn't get its name text tag to budge,. |
| 06:41.41 | ArcanePariah | Well the text is an actor as well |
| 06:41.46 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:41.51 | JademusSreg | That's rather my point. |
| 06:43.06 | JademusSreg | I tinkered with all the other text actors, succeeded in modifying them, couldn't find the actor type used by the regions. =D |
| 06:44.57 | JademusSreg | Oh, shit, brb |
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| 07:18.58 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:19.46 | ArcanePariah | Ok, odd thing, the head specified in the viper sop is the Viper Unit itself |
| 07:19.48 | ArcanePariah | Unit Actor |
| 07:22.28 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. =D |
| 07:23.38 | ArcanePariah | So i guess its a direct sop that manipulates the shape of the movement. A way of altering the mover without being a missle? |
| 07:25.30 | JademusSreg | Yesish. |
| 07:27.09 | JademusSreg | Oh, and you had the billboard associations backward. |
| 07:27.39 | ArcanePariah | Oh, site inherits from billboard? |
| 07:28.29 | JademusSreg | Observe the Host field for each of the actors involved in the billboard-related portion of the Ghost Nuke actors. |
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| 07:57.42 | JademusSreg | Hm, how to collaborate without solicitation. |
| 08:00.04 | kingTD | wtf cant move out in GUI triggers from folder.... |
| 08:01.57 | kingTD | heh seems like it doesnt want to move it from librarys |
| 08:02.13 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 08:03.35 | kingTD | there is only library and bunch of triggers and shit |
| 08:04.09 | kingTD | and cant move out the trigger on the main background not being in some folder |
| 08:04.13 | kingTD | like library |
| 08:05.10 | JademusSreg | It's like something almost intelligible, but not quite. |
| 08:06.24 | kingTD | yeah there are really no option to move out the triggers from libraries, |
| 08:06.34 | kingTD | so copy paste delete shit |
| 08:06.40 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 08:07.01 | JademusSreg | Is the trigger section empty? |
| 08:07.12 | kingTD | heh cant copy code from the other map, that library,,,, |
| 08:13.27 | JademusSreg | Cute xkcd today. |
| 08:21.45 | JademusSreg | Oh, Deaod, another thing which may be of minor interest, all the standard native types can be used in conditionals directly, while funcref, arrayref, and structref cannot. Also worth noting is that arrays compare by value, while arrayref compares by reference. I've got a small demo map illustrating there. |
| 08:21.47 | JademusSreg | *these |
| 08:22.25 | JademusSreg | I doubt it fits in your docs, though. |
| 08:23.16 | JademusSreg | There were a few other amusing results from my tests, if I can recall them. |
| 08:23.49 | JademusSreg | Ah, right. It involved handle types. |
| 08:25.59 | JademusSreg | -And- must point out that any type extending handle is necessarily garbage collected by the galaxy vm. |
| 08:28.36 | kingTD | what is faster having multiple triggers that checks if unit is killed but having different conditions for actions (5 unit dies triggers, all different conditions, actions) or having one trigger with unit dies and have switch, check for conditions in multiple condition actions? |
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| 08:29.19 | ArcanePariah | Multiple triggers is faster run time wise since it is parallel, but I do not know the performance implications of having too many triggers running |
| 08:29.29 | JademusSreg | It may still exist in memory separate from the galaxy vm, but once all references to the handle are gone, it's garbage collected in the galaxy vm. |
| 08:29.37 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 08:29.52 | JademusSreg | It is not ever parallel. |
| 08:31.03 | ArcanePariah | Well, it is semi parallel in that it rotates among them, correct? As opposed to doing each in order, serially? |
| 08:32.46 | JademusSreg | Yesish. It's called a trigger queue, afterall; threads are merely a convenient abstraction for execution with regards to continuity in particular. The "thread limit" is merely the queued trigger executions per update. =D |
| 08:33.30 | JademusSreg | Yesish in the sense that it only "rotates" when the thread returns or waits. |
| 08:34.42 | JademusSreg | But in a technical sense, it's entirely sequential, it doesn't so much as virtualize a call stack pipeline or such. |
| 08:35.37 | JademusSreg | Did they raise the thread limit from 1024? Seems absurd. |
| 08:40.03 | JademusSreg | Anyway, recapping fun stuff regarding handles: point extends handle and permits basic arithmetic operations, but each operation returns a new handle, so expressions of n operations increments the handle id by n. =D |
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| 08:41.17 | kingTD | Zolden brings bag of news |
| 08:41.59 | G0A | brings a bag of news of how he didnt balance MM instead he added useless things:D |
| 08:42.15 | JademusSreg | Ah, and the other fun thing about handles. |
| 08:42.33 | G0A | there is a 1024 thread limit? |
| 08:43.46 | JademusSreg | The following are valid: handle nullShit = !Point(0,0); handle invalidShit = !nullShit; handle invalidShittier = !null; |
| 08:44.38 | JademusSreg | Yes, as weird as that looks, boolean not operator works on handle values outside conditionals. |
| 08:46.06 | JademusSreg | Using it on a valid handle results in null (0x00000000), while !null results in invalid (0x00000001). |
| 08:46.28 | JademusSreg | Goa, that's what I recall it being, not sure if it's been raised. |
| 08:52.03 | Zolden | and my cat bring meows |
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| 09:19.53 | DeadZergling | Swear, gonna be the stupidest coder alive after warping my practices to appease the lame editor limitations |
| 09:21.51 | G0A | so I was thinking adding mario cart like power ups for random slide. Dont know what should be the first like |
| 09:22.07 | DeadZergling | blue shells |
| 09:22.27 | Zolden | DeadZergling you probably remember what were assembler limitations and how people had to warp practices to be able to code on it |
| 09:23.09 | Zolden | G0A punch others, launch missiles, jump, ignore negative buff areas, place mines |
| 09:23.33 | Zolden | place shit (will work like a little negative buff area) |
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| 09:31.37 | G0A | place shit sounds nice |
| 09:32.25 | G0A | hmm |
| 09:33.25 | G0A | actually got some nice ideas now |
| 09:33.35 | G0A | which dont need additional controls.D |
| 09:53.53 | G0A | I dont get it why GUI has "allow multiple" option for function parameter or what can it used for |
| 10:02.14 | JademusSreg | Uses an operator to combine the values. |
| 10:02.18 | JademusSreg | + |
| 10:06.19 | G0A | ahh I see the plus sign but where can I define it? |
| 10:34.06 | DeadZergling | well, triggers doing a good job of reminding me that 'order matters' |
| 10:34.28 | DeadZergling | turns out applying a buff to a unit variable that hasn't been assigned quite yet tends to fail |
| 10:35.48 | DeadZergling | is also dangerous to edit while sleepy, lol |
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| 11:30.23 | Zolden | kingTD started using brand new euro? |
| 11:40.34 | kingTD | no? |
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| 11:52.50 | Zolden | u don't seem to keep abreast on the news |
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| 12:28.16 | kingTD | zolden wtf |
| 12:28.33 | kingTD | its was news about latvia not litvu.. |
| 12:28.46 | kingTD | u have to poke the ducks about that matter |
| 12:34.54 | Zolden | lol |
| 12:35.21 | Zolden | kingTD so, your country haven't done it yet? |
| 12:35.38 | kingTD | not even close |
| 12:35.45 | kingTD | mb after 2 years |
| 12:36.05 | Zolden | slow jews in your country |
| 12:36.23 | kingTD | stealing from themselves |
| 12:37.31 | kingTD | goverment is a joke... people elect some tv show starts for gov and then what u expect... |
| 12:39.18 | Zolden | yea, democracy doesn't work since media was invented |
| 12:43.54 | Zolden | I"d force ppl to pass an exam to gain the right to vote |
| 12:44.28 | Zolden | also, they should pay $10-100 for a vote |
| 12:44.48 | Zolden | then only smart and responsible ppl vote |
| 12:45.05 | Zolden | and pick a better dude to rule |
| 12:45.27 | kingTD | or just dick faces with money would vote |
| 12:45.38 | kingTD | yeah doesnt solve anything that pay entry |
| 12:45.55 | Zolden | it should be a sum to cut white trash from voting |
| 12:46.10 | Zolden | well exam would cut them too |
| 12:46.49 | Zolden | they shuold answer questions that will show that they are not stupid and can distinguish between a tv star horse and a wiseman |
| 12:47.38 | Zolden | tbu this won't happen, because the elections law is under goverment control |
| 12:47.45 | Zolden | and goverment is not suicidal |
| 12:48.13 | Zolden | humanity would get rid of stupid goverments centuries ago if it wouldn't be self-sustaining |
| 13:30.50 | DeadZergling | well that's enough for tonight, Help menu finished for now, left myself 4 extra button spots in case other topics are too confusing, lol |
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| 13:31.49 | Bommes | Hello |
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| 14:07.48 | kingTD | fuck yeah, im ready for friday bordom |
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| 14:35.17 | G0A | yay killed a fucking warlock with my deck |
| 14:35.45 | G0A | though it had only half murlock deck |
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| 15:25.32 | kingTD | trololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE6jpTaOYMU |
| 15:25.35 | kingTD | second minute |
| 15:25.46 | kingTD | enemies just dying without even touched |
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| 15:32.36 | Zolden | hiroshima victims died withut touching |
| 15:35.23 | kingTD | they where touched in their special area how they havent been touched before so they just harakiri did |
| 15:39.55 | G0A | soon map night |
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| 15:47.17 | Zolden | duckies how's euro shit going? |
| 15:47.52 | Zolden | kingTD wanted to know what to expect |
| 15:47.57 | duckies | everyones are rounding up prices, in the profit direction ofc :/ |
| 15:48.14 | Zolden | ha, noobs |
| 15:49.33 | duckies | those new coins in their goldenish color feel so cheap ;/ |
| 15:50.06 | duckies | hope it's just cents though, got my first coints today as a change from something |
| 15:51.28 | duckies | looking closeer though, it's a rather childish, stars everywhere :D |
| 15:51.57 | duckies | G0A go test random slide before it bugs out on MN |
| 15:56.21 | duckies | hm, I'm gonna call them a happy coins for their fanciness. If I was a dictator in an dystopian regime that's exactly how I'd do my coin design, with stars and s**t. |
| 15:58.41 | G0A | I am uploading new version of random slide right now:D |
| 15:59.10 | G0A | though I just added a better random generator for obsticles, no new obsticles.( |
| 15:59.24 | duckies | did you remove the insects? |
| 15:59.53 | G0A | yeah I sprayed them:D |
| 16:00.08 | G0A | but they might fly into my map |
| 16:00.36 | duckies | I bet you forgot to change game descriptio to include new modes, did you? :D |
| 16:02.57 | G0A | dam you:D |
| 16:03.22 | G0A | it still has use right mouse click:D |
| 16:03.34 | duckies | EEExcellent! |
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| 16:26.00 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEbpbNTkIdk |
| 16:27.56 | duckies | G0a, ping me when ready for test |
| 16:31.11 | Ahli | 9 2 in arena :) |
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| 16:39.44 | JademusSreg | Kablam. |
| 16:39.55 | Dustin|Work | Good show |
| 16:40.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:40.49 | JademusSreg | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/multiple-gaming-platforms-hit-with-apparent-ddos-attacks/ |
| 16:41.30 | duckies | G0A go test |
| 16:41.36 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I read about them taking down LoL and Dota servers cause 1 dude was streaming |
| 16:44.20 | JademusSreg | The most tragic feature of modding/content creation is the regularity with which one's vision and design exceed one's resources and time. |
| 16:44.27 | G0A | JademusSreg yay kids and their internet rage with ddos |
| 16:48.48 | Ahli | all have to suffer because one person is an angry kid =/ |
| 16:49.24 | JademusSreg | Tempted to publically recruit collaborators on the forums, though I have reservations about the proficiency of those who may respond. =D |
| 16:51.47 | JademusSreg | At least here I know who is competent with the tools. |
| 16:56.09 | G0A | what do you want to make? |
| 16:59.57 | Ahli | internet police? |
| 17:00.35 | Ahli | quit hs during queue in arena, get a loss :X I assume the server just found an enemy when I accidentially quit |
| 17:01.34 | Dustin|Work | JademusSreg, you got all the colaboraters you need here |
| 17:01.44 | Dustin|Work | You're not going to find much better anywhere else :P |
| 17:02.19 | Dustin|Work | Ahli, that's just bad luck lol |
| 17:02.28 | Ahli | well, at least my enemy just left :X |
| 17:02.45 | Ahli | my cards suck anyway |
| 17:03.06 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 17:03.24 | Dustin|Work | Have they added new cards yet? I haven't played in awhile |
| 17:04.21 | Ahli | no |
| 17:04.42 | JademusSreg | Goa, I'm interested in -collaborating-, not directing people, not my style. Prefer to work with peers, design together, implement together. |
| 17:08.33 | G0A | still what do you want to collaborate on? Overthrowing the government? |
| 17:10.21 | JademusSreg | Interesting premise for a game. |
| 17:12.10 | Dustin|Work | Are you still wanting to do that smash bros, saturday morning cartoon sc2 map? |
| 17:13.12 | G0A | there is smash bros like map |
| 17:13.19 | G0A | horrible with latency |
| 17:14.07 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I've played that one |
| 17:14.34 | Dustin|Work | Lunch time |
| 17:18.05 | JademusSreg | Naw, Herostorm incidentally overlapped significantly with SMM's design and improved on several of the mechanics. |
| 17:19.39 | Zolden | JademusSreg will you ever create a new cool game for sc2? |
| 17:19.50 | JademusSreg | Maybe. |
| 17:20.02 | JademusSreg | Rather the point of my intent to collaborate. |
| 17:23.37 | JademusSreg | Zol, will you evar create a set of models one may use for terrain? =D |
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| 17:27.09 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:35.06 | kingTD | thats some train ride http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/O5B0l1rFQeRSjTz4b2ObQw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MjI3NTtjcj0xO2N3PTM1MDA7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTEwMDg7cT03NTt3PTE1NTE-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/ac5a7e456e83db00470f6a7067006df3.jpg |
| 17:37.57 | JademusSreg | Commuters that day thought they were riding a train only to discover they had instead boarded a submarine. |
| 17:43.04 | Zolden | hope that train was trained to deal with water |
| 18:08.17 | Dustin|Work | Jade, we should think tank some cool map ideas this weekend maybe throw together a prototype of systems or something |
| 18:13.15 | G0A | make a map about nude girls:) |
| 18:23.04 | JademusSreg | Sounds fun. |
| 18:23.31 | JademusSreg | Goa, if nude humans are involved, must be both genders, lest it be unbalanced. |
| 18:26.27 | G0A | wake up Zolden |
| 18:29.23 | duckies | ah hell, forgot to change to sheep D: |
| 18:29.31 | kingTD | zolden wants racing games |
| 18:29.33 | G0A | where is twodie? |
| 18:29.34 | kingTD | but well |
| 18:29.45 | kingTD | he will get that shit like shit |
| 18:29.50 | G0A | bastard |
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| 19:52.04 | kingTD | and i miss u like Zolden miss the Hitler |
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| 19:57.19 | duckies | well this looks alot like that fleet map we played on NA |
| 19:57.36 | duckies | the one where I had to read tutorial as well ;/ |
| 19:57.54 | DeadZergling | EU map night still going I take it duckies ? |
| 19:57.59 | duckies | y |
| 20:03.19 | DeadZergling | just put in a Help section for my map last night |
| 20:03.25 | DeadZergling | for special users just like you! |
| 20:14.32 | duckies | wait, what? at which point did I request that your map has more text? x_x |
| 20:14.44 | kingTD | fuck yeah putin on the skies in the terrorist land |
| 20:14.57 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 20:15.13 | kingTD | u fucking dont use those text messages to spam chat |
| 20:15.23 | kingTD | otherwise it will be spam from me toooooooooooooooo |
| 20:15.44 | kingTD | http://news.yahoo.com/ski-suited-putin-launches-olympic-inspections-153020146--oly.html |
| 20:16.05 | kingTD | the only source of news... yahoo news............ |
| 20:22.46 | DeadZergling | Oh, it isn't more text on the screen duckies, is entirely inside a Help dialog |
| 20:22.58 | DeadZergling | did add in death messages for 6 more monsters though :) |
| 20:24.39 | DeadZergling | so guess you got more text either way you look at it |
| 20:24.40 | JademusSreg | Comical hero idea: Onan the the Barbarian, strangler of fowl, pummeler of flesh, unmatched strength in hand-to-hand combat and mastery of quarterstaffs . |
| 20:33.38 | DeadZergling | okay, when does the hero get funny? |
| 20:36.19 | kingTD | mb for me it would if i would translate those uncommonly used words |
| 20:36.24 | Dustin|Work | Pretty sure there's a bunch of penis jokes there |
| 20:36.57 | Dustin|Work | Choking the Chicken, Pummiling the flesh snake, superior arm strength and big pole handiling |
| 20:37.11 | JademusSreg | See also: Onanism |
| 20:38.03 | Dustin|Work | Called it :D |
| 20:38.21 | DeadZergling | nothing funny about killing birds |
| 20:38.23 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 20:38.30 | DeadZergling | hate those fucking things, scourge of video games |
| 21:08.59 | Zolden | JademusSreg nice hero |
| 21:10.05 | JademusSreg | Zol, yeah, I expect one could squeeze a lot of enjoyment out of playing with it. |
| 21:10.22 | Zolden | :) |
| 21:16.03 | JademusSreg | Possible names for a collaborative team: Ministry of Loathing, Handsome Vagrants, Auteur Parlour, and Make Play More Good. Rejected names that are nonetheless amusing to me: Affable Adversaries, Black Spade Romantics, Shadow Cabal of Cryptic Secrets, Autological Nomenclature. |
| 21:20.03 | Dustin|Work | Much smart, so team, wow. |
| 21:20.40 | Dustin|Work | I like Handsome Vagrants |
| 21:20.52 | JademusSreg | Need make serious not name |
| 21:21.42 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's the term I used to describe my adventuring lifestyle, back in the day. |
| 21:26.20 | Dustin|Work | Ugh, coming into the office today was a bad decision |
| 21:26.27 | Dustin|Work | So ready to leave |
| 21:26.29 | JademusSreg | And I must say it's a challenge to compose a name that captures the playfulness in all things, the infinite jest, and rigorous creativity in design I value. |
| 21:26.41 | Dustin|Work | Oh I bet Jade |
| 21:30.39 | JademusSreg | "Tao of Play" is good description of the formermost values, but the site using that domain looks fucking ridiculous, like all those hip quietly awkward comedies that categorically suck. http://www.taoofplay.com/ |
| 21:35.04 | DeadZergling | Found a lost cousin duckies: http://cheezburger.com/7974100992 |
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| 21:55.15 | kingTD | nice find deadZ |
| 22:03.20 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 22:03.28 | ArcanePariah | Anything new or wild in here |
| 22:03.38 | ArcanePariah | spies a duckies |
| 22:03.46 | JademusSreg | Been discussing collaboration, name for said group. |
| 22:03.59 | JademusSreg | [16:16:19] <JademusSreg> Possible names for a collaborative team: Ministry of Loathing, Handsome Vagrants, Auteur Parlour, and Make Play More Good. Rejected names that are nonetheless amusing to me: Affable Adversaries, Black Spade Romantics, Shadow Cabal of Cryptic Secrets, Autological Nomenclature. |
| 22:04.41 | ArcanePariah | And what colloboration are we attempting? Mapmaking or some other subject matter/endeavor? |
| 22:04.53 | Dustin|Work | Making maps |
| 22:04.57 | JademusSreg | SC2 shit, yes. |
| 22:06.23 | ArcanePariah | Well first, may I join this collaborative effort? and second, for a group name, I would sugguest something elemental and simple, so the Cabal, the Team, Blizzard, Fire Team, etc. |
| 22:07.16 | JademusSreg | If I were refering to a different platform, it wouldn't be discussed in a SC2 channel. =D |
| 22:07.36 | ArcanePariah | Fair point |
| 22:07.43 | JademusSreg | And yes, you're demonstrably competent. |
| 22:07.58 | ArcanePariah | But given the subjects I have seen here, I figured it was better to not assume |
| 22:08.08 | JademusSreg | Fair point. |
| 22:10.27 | DeadZergling | this channel being used to discuss SC2 can be rare at times. |
| 22:11.28 | ArcanePariah | I attritbute it to the maturity of the development. At this point, people who have no interest have given up and left, and those who are left are fairly familiar with the tools and mostly must do tedious grind work, leaving little room for new discoveries |
| 22:13.54 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:15.05 | ArcanePariah | Though I do believe more time should be spent on documenting our discoveries, however I do recognize that most barely have time for development, let alone writing guides |
| 22:15.33 | DeadZergling | Hey ArcanePariah, I have an actor guide for you to write, lol |
| 22:16.03 | ArcanePariah | Sure, need to finish and publish my Actor List guide, but what topic would you like a guide on DeadZergling ? |
| 22:16.25 | DeadZergling | Remember my issue with attachment points a couple nights ago? |
| 22:16.45 | DeadZergling | Admittedly, I was tired as fuck, and couldn't comprehend much at that time |
| 22:17.05 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 22:17.17 | DeadZergling | but something like that to give models attachment points they didn't have, that is pretty useful |
| 22:17.33 | ArcanePariah | So you need a guide to Action Actors, and by extension how attach methods work |
| 22:17.59 | DeadZergling | Right, I'd find it useful anyways, and I'm probably not alone |
| 22:18.16 | ArcanePariah | Might as well, I was considering doing that as part of a guide to Queried Actors |
| 22:18.49 | ArcanePariah | As a note JademusSreg, I think the Action actor internally uses Queried Actors for the impact/launch stuff |
| 22:19.45 | DeadZergling | going to attempt to make better looking borders for some of my skill tree today I think, if I end up with ONE good frame I'll be amazed though, lol |
| 22:20.21 | DeadZergling | according to some people, *coughs* DUCKIES *coughs* |
| 22:20.32 | DeadZergling | my current ones are pretty bad, which I agree |
| 22:20.34 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 22:23.10 | DeadZergling | did successfully get a help dialog put in last night, isn't going to redefine tutorials or anything, but isn't too bad to look at |
| 22:23.27 | JademusSreg | Rather like alchemists or hermetic occultists, we learn and hoard our knowledge. Only in our case, it's not (usually) deliberate. |
| 22:26.55 | DeadZergling | mine isn't deliberate, just isn't a demand to know the weird things I know |
| 22:27.11 | ArcanePariah | More crucially, the skills to learn information, and the skills to PRESENT that information are radically different. Often individuals have one in far greater quantity then the other |
| 22:27.31 | DeadZergling | aye, worst students make the best teachers :) |
| 22:28.15 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, Dustin|Work, what sort of collaboration are we thinking about? |
| 22:28.55 | Dustin|Work | I think we're gonna meet this weekend on here and do some think tanking about it |
| 22:29.23 | JademusSreg | Where teaching is the goal, one should present information in the manner one understands it. I tend to use analogues in descriptions because I understand new shit by extending old shit by way of analogy. |
| 22:29.26 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:34.57 | kingTD | game is hard |
| 22:35.03 | DeadZergling | welp, my initial frame idea turns out to be geometrically impossible for my space limitations, back to the drawing board for me |
| 22:35.05 | kingTD | well played! |
| 22:35.59 | Dustin|Work | That reminds me of an interview I saw with Richard Feynman, you can't explain something to someone unless you can relate that information in a way that the other person can relate to in their scope of understanding |
| 22:36.30 | Dustin|Work | He said it more eloquently, but the basis is there |
| 22:45.11 | DeadZergling | not sure I can relate |
| 22:46.27 | DeadZergling | aim for metal borders, end up with, amazingly clean marble pillars... |
| 22:47.08 | Dustin|Work | Score! |
| 22:47.09 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 22:47.29 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 22:48.02 | DeadZergling | just how image making goes with me |
| 22:48.09 | JademusSreg | Deadz, in what sense is your "initial frame idea turns out to be geometrically impossible for my space limitations"? |
| 22:48.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:48.34 | DeadZergling | ended up with a picture of metal pauldrons once, I was trying to draw a hat |
| 22:49.22 | DeadZergling | well, the idea was to have the 76x76 spell icon go in a Diagonal Frame (epicly drawn of course!) |
| 22:50.12 | DeadZergling | In order for the diamond shape to look right, it would take up more room than my skill tree offers, and I don't want that thing getting any bigger than it currently is |
| 22:51.15 | JademusSreg | Arc, regarding Action usage of queries: https://pastee.org/p2xq |
| 22:52.47 | JademusSreg | Actually, needs a bit more information. |
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| 22:58.37 | Dustin|Work | Fuck yes, weekend time. |
| 22:58.43 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 22:58.44 | Dustin|Work | Catch ya guys on the flip side. |
| 22:59.15 | JademusSreg | More information: https://pastee.org/bfguf |
| 23:10.21 | Repo | New experimental map: wasteland survival - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/wasteland-survival/ |
| 23:10.32 | Repo | New map: Zerg's attack - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zergs-attack/ |
| 23:10.32 | Repo | New map: ShadowCrisis - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/shadowcrisis/ |
| 23:10.38 | Repo | New asset: Terran Radar Tower - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/terran-radar-tower/ |
| 23:10.39 | Repo | New map: Searing Lakes - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/searing-lakes/ |
| 23:12.21 | ArcanePariah | Interesting |
| 23:16.09 | ArcanePariah | Ok, somewhat bizzare question, is there a way to make a move ability NOT a smart command? |
| 23:16.23 | ArcanePariah | Or barring that, force it such that only 1 smart command can execute at once |
| 23:16.24 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 23:17.04 | JademusSreg | See the drone in this demo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Kubi%20Heroes.SC2Map |
| 23:17.13 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so how would I go about making it not a smart command? I'm going to assume I can unbind right click somehow |
| 23:18.53 | A1win | haha shaman got me to 1 health with the use of illidan and hogger, but my awesome skills saved me, 6-2 with a druid deck on arena now that has like half of its cards costing 5 or more and the other half mostly 4 cost |
| 23:19.18 | A1win | this deck has like no early game at all and then it just drops big dudes all over the place, just need to survive until that >_> |
| 23:20.02 | A1win | there were too delicious 5 cost cards not to pick at first and then it gave *only* high cost cards to choose from |
| 23:25.48 | JademusSreg | Sounds stimulating. |
| 23:27.47 | A1win | whee 7-2 |
| 23:28.12 | A1win | 12 is maximum number of wins that gives full reward, 3 losses ends the arena |
| 23:28.24 | A1win | (or 12 wins) |
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| 23:48.28 | A1win | 9-2 :O |
| 23:48.39 | A1win | these enemies just keep getting easier and easier for some reason |
| 23:48.50 | A1win | (jinxed it now) |
| 23:49.03 | JademusSreg | Any chance you're getting better? |
| 23:49.22 | A1win | nah I'm already perfect |
| 23:50.25 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
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| 23:57.28 | A1win | damn this guy has big dudeds too |
| 23:59.25 | A1win | dudes even |
| 23:59.45 | A1win | 7/1 in stealth, where's my swipe x\ |
| 23:59.59 | A1win | ...now he's 11/5 |
