| 00:14.06 | KomischOo_ | as it seems texture select by ID is the method i need. Im trying the tutorial but i cant find that crap: http://i56.tinypic.com/1z4y5i1.jpg |
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| 01:08.26 | Zolden | KomischOo_ what's texture name? |
| 01:08.59 | KomischOo_ | The terrains name is "kaldir snow powedered" but texture is diffrne isnt it? |
| 01:09.13 | KomischOo_ | rtschutter said its ice_world3 |
| 01:10.01 | KomischOo_ | iceworld_3_low |
| 01:10.57 | Zolden | u need it to be a square? |
| 01:11.08 | Zolden | or circled with smoothed edges? |
| 01:11.26 | KomischOo_ | square |
| 01:17.49 | Zolden | KomischOo_ something like this? http://i.imgur.com/P3VzqgE.jpg |
| 01:19.13 | KomischOo_ | yes |
| 01:19.22 | KomischOo_ | exaclty liek that |
| 01:20.29 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/21/snow_square.m3 |
| 01:26.02 | KomischOo_ | thx that is what i was searching for :) its not the perfectly right snow, but shoudl walk for now :) is there an sc2mapster tutorial of what u jsut did? |
| 01:34.50 | Zolden | I just made a model in art tools and texured it |
| 01:37.30 | KomischOo_ | I should really consider to go over nearly all tutorials |
| 01:42.21 | JademusSreg | Zol, will Russian Santa bring me some models for the holiday? =D |
| 01:59.47 | Zolden | probably |
| 02:07.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 05:19.52 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 05:20.33 | Delphinium | I am looking for a guy called "Pistachio" on SC2mapster. |
| 05:20.40 | Delphinium | Does anyone know how to find him? |
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| 06:38.14 | JademusSreg | Google site search. site:sc2mapster.com |
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| 07:19.36 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsbyRFXNEbY |
| 07:27.46 | G0A | Happy Xmas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10t-FGfPsqo |
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| 07:46.44 | Delphinium | 0.0 Oh I have found him on Youtube, thanks Jade |
| 07:46.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:54.54 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/32/22.gif |
| 07:55.07 | Delphinium | made some new effects yesterday. |
| 07:56.04 | G0A | that could be nice weapon launch animation |
| 07:58.24 | JademusSreg | Channeling, especially. |
| 07:58.33 | Delphinium | Yea, so I also added Ref_Weapon as an attachment inside the model. |
| 07:58.44 | JademusSreg | Would almost fit my Xel' |
| 07:58.53 | JademusSreg | *Xel'Naga AI boss. |
| 07:59.16 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 07:59.40 | JademusSreg | (In case anyone anywhere in all of history has yet to see it.) |
| 08:00.00 | Delphinium | it can be easy to work with beams I guess. |
| 08:00.00 | Delphinium | Onpenning it. |
| 08:00.29 | JademusSreg | Note, unless one has high lighting settings, map will appear dark/black. |
| 08:04.34 | JademusSreg | And of course it's not complete (demo, low priority), but what's in there so far is quite a spectacle. |
| 08:05.17 | Delphinium | It's a very interesting map~ |
| 08:05.36 | Delphinium | Nice work~ |
| 08:06.19 | Delphinium | should I send you the effect now? |
| 08:06.44 | JademusSreg | It's my go-to demo, contains most of the work I use to illustrate how to do shit. |
| 08:06.45 | Delphinium | Or you can check some of my other effects and I pack them together. |
| 08:07.10 | JademusSreg | Oh, no worries, I'm not currently in need of it, but if you link it, I'll certainly grab it. |
| 08:08.34 | JademusSreg | resumes designing character classes while preparing a cheesecake. |
| 08:09.00 | Delphinium | :) |
| 08:10.51 | Delphinium | There are too many models, I will upload a model mod as soon as I finish all of them. |
| 08:15.55 | JademusSreg | Can't decide on a name for a basic magic-oriented scholarly class, the entry-level magic class. So far I have... |
| 08:16.51 | JademusSreg | Occultellectual, Arcanerd, Spelliterate, Grimoireader, Spellbookworm. None are especially satisfying, though the last is least terrible. |
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| 08:52.37 | DeadZergling | Out of curiosity Delphinium, is one of the models ArcadeMothershipMissile.m3, without the shadow, lol |
| 08:58.42 | JademusSreg | This batter needs sour cream and vanilla. |
| 08:59.36 | DeadZergling | going for creative JademusSreg, or just something that works? |
| 09:00.36 | JademusSreg | My recipe, made it several years ago, interpolated the values of a dozen different recipes. |
| 09:00.54 | DeadZergling | I meant for the basic magic-oriented class |
| 09:00.58 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 09:03.35 | JademusSreg | There are 3 basic classes, corresponding to each of the 3 attributes, Force, Finesse, and Focus, which is to say brawny strength, precise agility, and cognitive power. And, of course, can't take itself too seriously, all the classes must be humorous, a joke. |
| 09:05.21 | DeadZergling | combining two words that can essentially mean the same thing, a little, bleh. |
| 09:05.26 | DeadZergling | Probably better going with something simpler |
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| 09:07.36 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 09:07.54 | JademusSreg | Dunno what ya mean in the former. |
| 09:08.37 | DeadZergling | putting half a word and another half together makes for ugly words typically |
| 09:09.06 | DeadZergling | thus why terribad works |
| 09:09.07 | JademusSreg | Portmanteau. |
| 09:09.19 | DeadZergling | is supposed to be awful, so it works |
| 09:11.07 | JademusSreg | Not clear what you mean to say, besides "ugliness" or such. |
| 09:12.11 | DeadZergling | If you want to say someone is Smart and Brawny |
| 09:12.22 | DeadZergling | you wouldn't declare them Smawny |
| 09:12.34 | DeadZergling | it just doesn't work |
| 09:13.27 | JademusSreg | Because the choice of words was poor, doesn't result in a pleasing lingual texture. |
| 09:15.21 | JademusSreg | Reading it, one imagines the word pronounced, the awkward sensation of the open mouth, glotis, the long hollowing sound as the tongue curls and moves to the back, a physically uncomfortable sensation from reading it. |
| 09:16.27 | JademusSreg | The phonemes for the a in each word aren't the same, either. |
| 09:33.07 | DeadZergling | Well anyways, I don't think the word combining is the way to go. Not really sure what kind of humor you going for though. I know for my 2 classes, I ended up with Imp, the Naked, a wizard so powerful no clothing can contain him. And Bob, from accounting who acquired his necrotic powers by accounting near some ancient indian burial grounds or some such. |
| 09:34.15 | DeadZergling | I just enjoyed searching 2 hours for a minor bug rather than getting any work done myself, lol |
| 09:35.51 | JademusSreg | put 2 cheesecakes in the oven. |
| 09:35.53 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:40.25 | DeadZergling | Prepping for Xmas I assume? |
| 09:44.26 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 09:44.46 | DeadZergling | either that, or a night of feeling very fat alone |
| 09:44.55 | DeadZergling | I prefer to assume Xmas in this case though |
| 09:46.13 | JademusSreg | Certainly not the latter. I don't have much interest in holidays, but my girls enjoy them, so that necessitates my participation. |
| 09:49.21 | DeadZergling | I tend towards dreading them, honestly |
| 09:52.56 | JademusSreg | Regarding the class-naming discussion, names designed with comedic intent may inadvertedly obfuscate their purpose and confuse players. Better to reserve such intent for descriptions and specific, special cases. |
| 09:54.13 | DeadZergling | yea, I've considered changing mine to be more 'anonymous', not have a particular name associated with the class |
| 09:54.27 | DeadZergling | Same basic description, just doesn't use the name. |
| 09:56.37 | grim001 | I've been wondering how I'm going to implement beams/lasers in my engine |
| 09:56.43 | grim001 | and have it interact with the depth sorting correctly |
| 09:58.47 | JademusSreg | grim, I imagine implementing that graphics library and learning shaders should precede such activity. |
| 10:00.52 | grim001 | the laser itself may eventually be rendered using some fancy shader tricks, but the logic of deciding how the line is drawn over/under things occurs at a higher level than any calls to the graphics engine |
| 10:02.02 | grim001 | right now there are about 200 classes, and only one of them directly interacts with the java2d API |
| 10:03.21 | JademusSreg | Seems more intuitive to draw them going -through- other sprites, or rather drawing under until the intersection, then drawing over. |
| 10:04.46 | grim001 | I'm not sure what you mean by "through" in this case. At this point in time the laser will be nothing but a simple line drawn on the screen, and it will be plastered on top of anything else that has already been drawn onto the screen at that point. |
| 10:04.57 | JademusSreg | Ouch. |
| 10:05.30 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that sounds painful from both a design and a programming perspective. |
| 10:06.14 | grim001 | Well, that's all java2d is. It lets you draw simple geometric shapes on the screen. The logic of how to do so is left entirely to the user |
| 10:06.50 | grim001 | The fact that (so far) I only use such basic functionality is what will make it fairly easy to port to any graphics engine. |
| 10:07.19 | grim001 | If I can draw text and images onto the screen at specific coordinates and scale them, then it works. |
| 10:09.18 | grim001 | The best idea I have so far is to split the laser into line segments associated with each individual tile, and render those segments as a part of rendering that tile. So basically, integrating it into the depth sorting system that already exists. |
| 10:10.07 | grim001 | The only challenge with that is splitting the line segment into segments associated with individual tiles |
| 10:10.08 | JademusSreg | Arguably. While understanding the process from the bottom up is useful in that respect, the time cost of refactoring for a different API and hypothetical time cost of having not used more appropriate, efficient constructs provided by the API cause me to be skeptical. |
| 10:12.18 | grim001 | I've deliberately kept the required graphics operations simple in order to minimize the amount of time the port would eventually consume... starting with java2d was meant to be a learning experience. As far as API-provided constructs, there are things like sprite batching that can dramatically improve performance, and it will no doubt take additional time to fully utilize them |
| 10:12.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:12.57 | grim001 | But in the end, all 2d graphics libraries come down to nothing more than a way to draw simple images and shapes onto the screen, along with performance-improving tricks. |
| 10:13.06 | A1win | blöööörg |
| 10:13.23 | grim001 | There are higher-level libraries such as libGDX, but the higher-level I go, the more control of the exact workings of the engine I lose. |
| 10:14.05 | grim001 | I doubt that it would be possible to recreate some of the properties of my animation and movement systems within the context of a higher level API at this point |
| 10:15.09 | JademusSreg | Yes. Of course, Java environment already has enough layers between it and hardware, understandable one would like to avoid more. |
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| 10:16.45 | grim001 | lwjgl is just a thin wrapper over OpenGL + OpenAL + controller input |
| 10:16.56 | grim001 | so I'll be working as close to the hardware as I care to get |
| 10:17.09 | A1win | I had a dream that I continued making my map |
| 10:17.45 | grim001 | once it goes to the point that it's purely about optimization rather than control, I'm not as interested. |
| 10:18.23 | JademusSreg | Fair enough. I very much prefer as many layers of abstraction between me and the hardware as possible. |
| 10:18.47 | JademusSreg | A1, did the dream end with you finishing it? |
| 10:19.21 | A1win | dunno, can't remember much of it |
| 10:20.39 | JademusSreg | checks on cheesecakes. |
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| 10:22.17 | grim001 | Hmm... it would be interesting to view all of the tile boundries as planes in 3d space that extend upward, and the laser as a line segment that intersects with those planes. |
| 10:22.41 | DeadZergling | I've had dreams that you named your map, A1win |
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| 10:22.54 | A1win | ;x |
| 10:22.55 | grim001 | I'm going to have to figure out how to treat my tiles as a continuous 3d space for the particle engine, anyway. |
| 10:23.15 | grim001 | I just need to be able to translate freely between screen coordinates and world coordinates. |
| 10:23.16 | JademusSreg | That's what I suggested previously. =D |
| 10:23.49 | JademusSreg | Just need to know the sprite's anchor in the world space, I expect. |
| 10:25.59 | grim001 | I'm using a diamond-shaped staggered offset tile system with the 0,0 tile at the top center. |
| 10:27.10 | grim001 | I've seen formulas to translate between screen space and similar tile systems but they're always very specific to the workings of the engine |
| 10:28.09 | DeadZergling | meanwhile, I've fully arrived at the part I like the very least about implementing a skill tree, adjusting damage, costs, whatever else I decided to throw in there, etc based on levels, stats, and ability level |
| 10:28.19 | DeadZergling | you done much on your project lately A1win ? |
| 10:33.15 | A1win | nope x> |
| 10:33.42 | DeadZergling | Been on a different bus, or just taking a break? |
| 10:34.05 | A1win | been playing starbound and then hearthstone |
| 10:34.05 | grim001 | if I start with 0,0 (particle coordinate system) being anchored at the top of the tile at 0,0 (tile coordinate system)... each 1.0 of tile space along the X axis would be equal to tile width * zoom factor, whereas each 1.0 of tile space on the Y axis would be equal to tile height * zoom factor. The z axis is a little more complicated. |
| 10:34.52 | A1win | I don't think I'd start a new project before this one is released |
| 10:35.47 | JademusSreg | Starbound update today/yesterday, nice stuff. |
| 10:40.26 | DeadZergling | gotta love tasks that you know must be done, but you will find ANY excuse not to do them. |
| 10:42.33 | DeadZergling | know it is getting bad when you'd prefer a Stewox link to the task |
| 10:42.45 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 10:43.43 | DeadZergling | just loathing the trigger work I'm currently doing JademusSreg |
| 10:44.10 | JademusSreg | Would you prefer script instead? |
| 10:44.26 | DeadZergling | it is, in a sense, is almost entirely inside a custom script |
| 10:46.21 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EALhTc-hE8 |
| 10:48.39 | JademusSreg | Satan Claus looks rather like Diablo (3). |
| 10:51.06 | G0A | :) |
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| 11:04.37 | JademusSreg | Made 2 cheesecakes; an exposed-top, and a water-baked. |
| 11:05.13 | JademusSreg | Uncertain if the water-baking was successful, won't know until it cools for 4 hours. =D |
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| 11:10.15 | Sehales | does anyone know a way to get the current camera height of one player? I am trying to do this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/1626-trigger-how-to-target-with-mouselook-tracelines/ but it doesn't work for me and I think it is because of the wrong camera height. |
| 11:12.08 | JademusSreg | What are you attempting to do? |
| 11:14.17 | Sehales | you mean what I try with that? |
| 11:14.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 11:14.57 | Sehales | a little kerrigan campaign mission with a third person few |
| 11:15.45 | Sehales | the movement is already finished and works fine |
| 11:17.42 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, getting height for the player camera is not quite doable, but camerainfo (camera objects placed in the terrain editor) support getting height offset. |
| 11:20.25 | Sehales | I thought the height != the height offset |
| 11:21.12 | JademusSreg | One must calculate the camera's world height from target and other values. |
| 11:23.20 | Sehales | oh |
| 11:23.25 | Sehales | I see something |
| 11:23.29 | Zolden | JademusSreg can we change player's camera height with triggers? |
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| 11:23.47 | Sehales | seems that I missed the main unit check |
| 11:24.07 | Zolden | it would solve the issue with camera on a map with generated heights of terrain |
| 11:24.16 | JademusSreg | Zol, yes. |
| 11:24.43 | JademusSreg | Or rather, one should be able to set height offset. |
| 11:25.02 | JademusSreg | composes a paste. |
| 11:25.21 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/gybpm |
| 11:25.25 | JademusSreg | Camera API. |
| 11:25.57 | Zolden | saves |
| 11:26.17 | Sehales | when I try that "lv_closestUnit != gv_mainUnit" to add to my code, it says that there has to be a valid boolean expression, wtf, that is one! or do you have to use a function to compare units? |
| 11:26.24 | JademusSreg | A camerainfo is rather like a struct, it just holds values, doesn't do anything on its own. =D |
| 11:27.01 | JademusSreg | Seh, are you using galaxy script? |
| 11:27.16 | Sehales | yes |
| 11:27.31 | Sehales | I am doing all via the trigger editor module and custom scripts |
| 11:27.55 | JademusSreg | Might wanna get better acquainted with the language. |
| 11:28.08 | JademusSreg | Also, paste the script containing the error. |
| 11:28.44 | Sehales | uhm wait a second |
| 11:29.14 | Sehales | I am chatting over my pc but doing the map editing on my notebook .... |
| 11:29.30 | JademusSreg | Use a paste site, of course. |
| 11:29.44 | JademusSreg | Or dropbox. |
| 11:30.16 | JademusSreg | And to clarify, by custom script, I don't mean the custom script trigger action. |
| 11:30.36 | Sehales | ? |
| 11:30.41 | grim001 | Just derived a formula to translate particle coordinates by tile coordinates |
| 11:30.54 | grim001 | -(0.5 * tileWidth * X), (0.5 * tileHeight * Y) - (tileHeight * Z) |
| 11:31.07 | grim001 | Interestingly, I have never seen such a simple formula for this task before. |
| 11:31.17 | grim001 | It's always some convoluted mess. |
| 11:32.20 | JademusSreg | There are two ways (not counting macros) to use custom script in the trigger editor; a Custom Script trigger action one-liner inside a GUI trigger or action or such, or the Custom Script element which occupies the same frame as the GUI content and imported libraries and such. |
| 11:32.35 | JademusSreg | Congrats grim. =D |
| 11:32.50 | Sehales | https://pastee.org/zqzmp |
| 11:33.02 | grim001 | This makes me want to add a particle system now and test it. |
| 11:33.14 | Sehales | line 15 |
| 11:33.17 | JademusSreg | Seh, use the C lexer next time. |
| 11:33.42 | Sehales | oh sry forgot to change it |
| 11:34.09 | Sehales | http://pastee.org/fhzfr |
| 11:34.27 | Sehales | much more easier to read... |
| 11:35.15 | JademusSreg | Strongly advise you wrap every sub-expression in the conditional in parantheses, always, and in this particular case put each sub-expession on its own line. |
| 11:36.36 | JademusSreg | Also, unless heroes array is defined in custom script, looks like it's missing that lame GUI-generated prefix. |
| 11:36.45 | Sehales | oh |
| 11:36.48 | Sehales | yes |
| 11:36.51 | Sehales | shit |
| 11:36.55 | JademusSreg | Bazing. |
| 11:36.55 | Sehales | you are right^^ |
| 11:37.16 | Sehales | but! before I tried it with another variable |
| 11:37.20 | Sehales | with the prefix |
| 11:37.25 | Sehales | and it didn't worked |
| 11:38.08 | JademusSreg | Yeah, implement the above advice, not least of which because it makes it more readable and easier to debug. |
| 11:38.22 | Sehales | k |
| 11:41.21 | Sehales | btw, another question I have is: I sometimes get ingame errors which are saying something like "script execution time took too long", what can I do against that? I have read something about adding Wait(0.0, c_timeGame); in loops |
| 11:43.02 | JademusSreg | Code more efficient script, for starters. |
| 11:43.28 | JademusSreg | And yes, Wait 0 or Wait 0.0625 can help manage execution loads. |
| 11:43.46 | Sehales | 0.0625 is the minimum value? |
| 11:44.03 | JademusSreg | It's the synchronous update value. |
| 11:45.52 | JademusSreg | Asynchronous updates are not limited to synchronous update time, so actors and interface response and such can respond immediately on the local client without needing to first sync state. |
| 11:46.54 | JademusSreg | Galaxy script has long had a tiny loophole, where a Wait 0 will resume the script after a 0.03125 duration. |
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| 11:48.15 | JademusSreg | Doesn't help with precision or updating synchronous states, but can be used to break up heavy execution loads to prevent thread crash. |
| 11:52.35 | Sehales | now it runs but it seems that there is no result.... |
| 11:55.15 | Sehales | I believe that it is the camera height problem, arg I had seen a video test where someone was able to create a hitbox like system with the same tutorial with different target zones like head, body,.... |
| 11:57.21 | JademusSreg | Does your browser retain logs? |
| 12:02.31 | Sehales | I dont know what you mean |
| 12:02.47 | JademusSreg | Ought to be able to find it again. |
| 12:03.46 | JademusSreg | Either with a search of memorable terms (Starcraft 2 first person hitbox) or browser logs if enabled. |
| 12:04.16 | Sehales | I would find it again, but there is no tutorial how he is doing that |
| 12:04.19 | Sehales | just that he is doing that |
| 12:04.49 | JademusSreg | One with sufficient knowledge can determine how it is done. =D |
| 12:07.10 | JademusSreg | For instance, it could be done using dialog controls, or with clickable units whose actors are attached at offsets, or the hit success could be determined from the missile position and unit orientation. |
| 12:07.47 | Sehales | first I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqiulSLFncc#t=61 |
| 12:08.02 | Sehales | I cant find the other one I meant with the hitbox... |
| 12:08.26 | Sehales | maybe I saw it while browsing with my notebook |
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| 12:10.22 | JademusSreg | Ah, that's easy. |
| 12:11.44 | Sehales | when it is easy |
| 12:11.56 | Sehales | then how can I shoot at a specific point I am looking at? |
| 12:11.57 | JademusSreg | If a unit is within x distance of camera target, it targets the unit (the projectile-like visual is the snipe beam); else it targets the point. |
| 12:12.24 | JademusSreg | That's what camera target is, if the camera is configured correct. |
| 12:12.25 | JademusSreg | *correctly. |
| 12:13.49 | JademusSreg | It's easy, and doesn't even involve hitboxes or such. |
| 12:14.10 | Sehales | as I said |
| 12:14.14 | Sehales | that is not the video I meant |
| 12:14.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 12:16.39 | grim001 | I just hacked together a working particle system in the amount of time since I said I was going to do that |
| 12:16.54 | grim001 | it looks funny when I spawn a 10,000 particle explosion |
| 12:17.07 | JademusSreg | Around 40 minutes, nice timing. |
| 12:17.37 | grim001 | I've got particles bouncing off the ground, air resistance, gravity |
| 12:17.49 | grim001 | no depth sorting at all but it's enough to convey the idea visually |
| 12:18.39 | JademusSreg | Next week: entire engine switched to particles. |
| 12:22.49 | grim001 | probably |
| 12:23.01 | grim001 | it's the rebirth of the physics engine |
| 12:24.27 | grim001 | interestingly, 10,000 particles had no visible effect on the framerate |
| 12:24.29 | JademusSreg | Particle physics. </joke> =D |
| 12:25.23 | grim001 | it looks like an explosion of confetti |
| 12:25.50 | Sehales | I cant find it.... |
| 12:26.19 | JademusSreg | I can see it now; Piñata Engine by grim001. |
| 12:26.44 | grim001 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/winner.png |
| 12:26.53 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 12:27.35 | grim001 | now I just need to attach some shader-based lighting effects to those bouncing particles when you're in a dark dungeon |
| 12:29.03 | JademusSreg | Oh, reminds me, talk to your art person about the visual design and provided references and such? |
| 12:29.30 | grim001 | We did talk about your comments on the art direction |
| 12:30.28 | JademusSreg | Given the construction of that sentence, I assume the talk involved "fuck those comments". =D |
| 12:30.43 | Sehales | jade do you know an efficient way how to target a point or unit I am looking at and then shooting/attacking that target? |
| 12:30.59 | Sehales | so I mean on klicking a button |
| 12:31.11 | JademusSreg | Seh, yes, I described it above actually. |
| 12:31.24 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.58 | grim001 | I think your comments have merit, it's important not to overload such a small canvas with realistic detail |
| 12:32.42 | JademusSreg | grim, I definitely didn't promote realism. The opposite, in fact. |
| 12:33.11 | grim001 | right, that sentence implied as such |
| 12:33.23 | Sehales | but how do I get the camera target? |
| 12:33.29 | JademusSreg | Ah, misread, imagined a "but" after the comma. |
| 12:33.40 | JademusSreg | Seh, with the function CameraGetTarget. |
| 12:33.55 | Sehales | I have a working version but then I have to look at the bottom of a unit |
| 12:34.11 | grim001 | But it is somewhat at odds with the deliberate art design direction we've been trying to take, which is semi-realistic and understated, like a prettier and pixelated version of Ultima Online |
| 12:34.50 | grim001 | so I've been thinking about what kind of art style would satisfy both of those intents |
| 12:35.09 | JademusSreg | Seh, right, which is where determining the path between the firing unit and the target becomes necessary. |
| 12:35.51 | Sehales | that would be solved with the traceline system from the tutorial I posted |
| 12:36.25 | JademusSreg | grim, so long as the visual design is a subject of consideration, my intent is fulfilled. =D |
| 12:37.28 | JademusSreg | Seh, I don't use tutorials, so I take your word for it. But if it's solved in the tutorial, where then is the issue? Haha. |
| 12:40.23 | Sehales | the tutorial isn't explaing how the f*** I shall get the correct camera hight and due to that fact I believe it should at least target at another position but it isn*t even working for me at all |
| 12:40.51 | grim001 | thoughts on the new critter? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22137420/beholder.png |
| 12:41.54 | JademusSreg | Don't actually need the camera height; the camera corresponds to the position of the unit, so the unit's position in the world can be used to determine the source. |
| 12:42.16 | JademusSreg | grim, it's an adorable sight to behold. |
| 12:42.58 | Sehales | hm but it uses the camera angle so wouldnt it target the wrong spot? |
| 12:43.23 | JademusSreg | Seh, I think perhaps you are confused. |
| 12:43.53 | Sehales | yes I am! |
| 12:44.09 | JademusSreg | Your question doesn't make sense. |
| 12:44.42 | Sehales | I think I just didn't understood the whole system |
| 12:45.34 | Sehales | would it be okay for you to take a look at my map? |
| 12:47.04 | JademusSreg | CameraGetTarget returns the point targeted by a player's camera. That's the destination. You can determine the source point based on the position of the unit the camera is tracking. Then whatever is in between will be checked with conditions and such, to determine if the line between the two points intersects. |
| 12:47.21 | JademusSreg | And I don't have time, but perhaps in a few days, yes. |
| 12:47.55 | Sehales | okay |
| 12:49.54 | Sehales | I found the video: http://youtu.be/3xYS0xTUg3A?t=1m35s |
| 12:54.58 | JademusSreg | Yep, given the description, it's all coded, which means the intersections, collisions, physics, all vector/matrix maths. Detecting collision would involve coding hitbox structures corresponding to (but not reading from) model volumes. |
| 12:55.48 | JademusSreg | But even in that case, the source point is from the unit, there is not "camera height" issue. |
| 12:55.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 13:10.55 | DeadZergling | that concludes 10 of the 9 fun abilities I had to implement |
| 13:11.02 | DeadZergling | I'll try to pick the other 9 up next pass |
| 13:11.07 | JademusSreg | Nice fractional there. |
| 13:11.21 | DeadZergling | Hope you get a map name for Christmas, A1win |
| 13:11.40 | JademusSreg | A1 got plenty, but he returned them all. |
| 13:11.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:13.47 | DeadZergling | Didn't know Kim Jong Un was defending Finland too. |
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| 13:44.03 | JademusSreg | The single most difficult thing to find, in my experience, is a specific term for something within a highly marketed field. |
| 13:44.43 | JademusSreg | Good luck filtering out all the advertisements and retailers asshole! |
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| 13:56.55 | Zolden | dude |
| 13:57.24 | JademusSreg | The Dude/. |
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| 14:32.57 | JademusSreg | Water-baked cheesecake turned out successfully. |
| 14:33.07 | JademusSreg | gained 432 experience points. |
| 14:35.32 | Zolden | steals one experience point while Jade enjoying his water based cheese cake |
| 14:36.13 | JademusSreg | I'm currently eating the control group. That is to say, the other cheesecake that was not water-baked. |
| 15:25.44 | JademusSreg | Zvarzle. |
| 15:28.42 | G0A | gained 3 days worth food at xmas dinner |
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| 16:10.53 | Zandose | anyone from ontario canada here? |
| 16:16.10 | Dustin|Home | nope |
| 16:17.54 | Zandose | too bad. their was major ice rain and power outtages all over the place . just got back power after 2.5 days |
| 16:18.15 | Dustin|Home | That sucks! |
| 16:18.20 | Dustin|Home | I got a friend in Ottawa |
| 16:18.29 | Dustin|Home | But those are not close I think |
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| 16:19.02 | Zolden | G0A go play mnm |
| 16:19.10 | Zolden | I need only 2 wins to get the achievement |
| 16:19.25 | Zolden | duckies come with us |
| 16:19.27 | Dustin|Home | Oh wait it is kinda close |
| 16:19.34 | Dustin|Home | Zolden |
| 16:19.36 | Dustin|Home | Ima come |
| 16:20.20 | Zolden | ok, go EU |
| 16:20.29 | Dustin|Home | kk |
| 16:22.42 | duckies | we were testing zolden :/ |
| 16:22.51 | Zolden | not too late to join |
| 16:23.20 | duckies | coming |
| 16:23.43 | duckies | waiting for g0a >.> |
| 16:24.33 | duckies | so, are you gonna donate to yourself to get all achievements zolden? :D |
| 16:25.46 | Zolden | yes, I have to, wanna look cool |
| 16:26.56 | duckies | makes me really curious about how many will donate |
| 16:27.45 | Zolden | guess no one |
| 16:28.23 | G0A | :D |
| 16:34.49 | G0A | BNET 0.2 |
| 17:10.00 | Dustin|Home | weee |
| 17:11.43 | Zolden | gj |
| 17:39.18 | duckies | ah, now I'll have that fancy floating defender too, not feeling so left out anymore :D |
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| 17:45.10 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 17:46.04 | Borland_Islaam | A1win, voi sanoa 'mä rakastan lapset kuoliaaksi', niinkö? |
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| 18:41.52 | duckies | god damnit |
| 18:42.12 | Zolden | hmm |
| 18:42.15 | Zolden | eu odwn |
| 18:42.25 | duckies | that was so disappointing that b-net won't let me in again ;| |
| 18:42.26 | Zolden | hope it didn't affect dank saves |
| 18:42.27 | duckies | yea |
| 18:43.42 | duckies | zolden, snow was awesome, though glass mines idk. kinda bit generic |
| 18:43.51 | JademusSreg | Qbertle. |
| 18:44.20 | Zolden | there will be gold ones after a couple of levels |
| 18:44.22 | duckies | aand eu's back |
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| 18:44.32 | Ahli | merr christmas and stuff |
| 18:51.23 | JademusSreg | Damnit Ahli, I intended to mention a possible means by which to make the Herostorm occlude outline work in SC2. |
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| 20:04.20 | Zolden | JademusSreg russian santa operates between 31 dec and 1 jan |
| 20:04.47 | Zolden | and russian christmas happens jan 7 |
| 20:05.32 | Zolden | also |
| 20:06.28 | Zolden | i'm using the same abil that sc2 workers use to build gas extractors, and players can build 2 mines on the same res |
| 20:06.52 | Zolden | does it mean it can be done in sc2 too? or i jsut configured it wrong? |
| 20:07.14 | Zolden | it only possible if players do it realy fast or 2 players buil simultaneously |
| 20:37.08 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
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| 20:38.22 | duckies | zolden, go fix gameabusing bug :/ |
| 20:38.25 | JademusSreg | Zol, need more information. =D |
| 20:38.41 | duckies | top review on eu describes it |
| 20:39.00 | duckies | in short, double mines/farms usnig shift button |
| 20:43.24 | Zandose | just wondering, has anyone invented a system for normal people to make new games on? |
| 20:57.28 | ArcanePariah | Zandose: an inevtiable reality of software development is that such a system would be massively imprecise and heavily restricted in terms of what it could do. So yes, such systems exist, however they tend to be inflexible and narrow in scope |
| 20:57.41 | Zandose | i see |
| 20:58.06 | Zandose | like another layer to games which makes it worse, like slower |
| 20:58.15 | ArcanePariah | There does exist systems that allow you to quickly develop an RPG, but those systems fundamentally could never let you make an RTS or FPS effectively |
| 20:58.23 | ArcanePariah | and vice versa |
| 20:58.27 | Zandose | k |
| 20:58.36 | Zandose | ill hold onto my future idea for now |
| 20:59.10 | ArcanePariah | To give another comparision, I can edit photos with paint, but obviously it will be highly limited compared to Photoshop |
| 20:59.12 | Zandose | another question on the editor and triggers |
| 20:59.20 | Zandose | true |
| 20:59.34 | ArcanePariah | But paint takes less then an hour for most ot graps, Photoshop takes years |
| 20:59.39 | ArcanePariah | grasp* |
| 20:59.58 | Zandose | in triggers, for parameters you can select "allow miltiple". does this work in any way? |
| 21:00.15 | ArcanePariah | It does, but not in the normal sense |
| 21:00.32 | ArcanePariah | It is used for the Operators type actions, which when examined in code, are simply macros |
| 21:00.52 | Zandose | what are operators? |
| 21:01.06 | Zolden | duckies it's fixed |
| 21:01.18 | Zolden | JademusSreg lazy to get more information, jsut added 0.5 cd |
| 21:01.35 | ArcanePariah | Operators are intended to be actions that simply modify a value, not actually do much else, they are macros in effect |
| 21:01.47 | ArcanePariah | Let me back up, do you know what code macros are? |
| 21:01.47 | Zandose | booleans? |
| 21:02.06 | Zandose | i believe macros are codes which repeat |
| 21:02.18 | ArcanePariah | Ok, no, I'll explain |
| 21:02.24 | Zandose | dont |
| 21:02.36 | Zandose | seems complex and not usable for my purpose |
| 21:02.37 | ArcanePariah | Welp, Operators are a type of macro |
| 21:02.38 | Zandose | another time |
| 21:02.41 | ArcanePariah | Proabbly not |
| 21:02.51 | Zandose | i have to go out soon anyways |
| 21:08.58 | duckies | good zolden, I'm proud of you :D |
| 21:10.04 | Zolden | yay |
| 21:10.16 | duckies | zold, v 0.99? |
| 21:12.13 | Zolden | ;\ |
| 21:12.26 | Zolden | i just was reported |
| 21:12.38 | duckies | you were what now? :D |
| 21:12.43 | ArcanePariah | lol wut? |
| 21:12.46 | Zolden | noobs been using it and not saying |
| 21:13.00 | Zolden | i mean the bug |
| 21:13.01 | duckies | ooh |
| 21:13.06 | ArcanePariah | Oh lol |
| 21:13.09 | duckies | so did you fix it in 0.99? :D |
| 21:13.14 | Zolden | not that i permanenetly making hitler jokes in public chat |
| 21:13.20 | Zolden | yes |
| 21:13.27 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 21:13.32 | Zolden | and also i fixed the 0.99 thing |
| 21:13.33 | ArcanePariah | From where? |
| 21:13.45 | Zolden | from his lair |
| 21:14.01 | Zolden | in his lair he's making water based things |
| 21:14.07 | Zolden | lke water based ice |
| 21:14.19 | Zolden | or water based steam |
| 21:14.30 | Zolden | pretty alchimysteriouslly |
| 21:14.52 | JademusSreg | From family affection demonstrations. |
| 21:15.52 | G0A | Zolden make top 100 elo rating :) |
| 21:16.08 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, looking forward to comparing my water-baked cheesecake experiment to the control group. |
| 21:16.09 | Zolden | want fame? |
| 21:16.09 | G0A | since I am playing lot:) |
| 21:16.13 | G0A | yeah:D |
| 21:16.18 | duckies | waaait, did you fix it before or after I pinged you? |
| 21:16.28 | Zolden | ok, I'll make it with server side bank |
| 21:16.42 | G0A | server side bank is myth:D |
| 21:16.53 | G0A | like patch 2.1 before 2014:D |
| 21:17.03 | Zolden | duckies 20 minutes b4 |
| 21:17.09 | duckies | ah ok |
| 21:17.36 | Zolden | G0A yea, also hotst test region b4 2014 |
| 21:17.43 | Zolden | maybe they meant 2015? |
| 21:18.10 | JademusSreg | Server side is as real as public option stock value, or Santa Claus. |
| 21:20.09 | duckies | welcome back to the party zolden ;> |
| 21:20.19 | duckies | don't you dare to suck |
| 21:23.34 | JademusSreg | Unless it's the good suck. |
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| 21:32.19 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/45/QQ20131225050759.jpg |
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| 21:42.24 | JademusSreg | OH noes, Zeratul is attempting to summon Sargeras! |
| 21:43.44 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/47/QQ20131225050816.jpg |
| 21:44.39 | Delphinium | And spell some fire balls |
| 21:47.26 | JademusSreg | Looks DBZ, but with less grunting. |
| 21:47.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:51.39 | Delphinium | :) |
| 21:57.43 | Delphinium | And this one cames from NanaKey |
| 21:57.49 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/46/46/QQ20131225050811.jpg |
| 22:15.09 | duckies | zolden, go update >;| |
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| 22:37.34 | Zolden | lo, right |
| 22:37.37 | Zolden | forgot again |
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| 22:55.12 | ArcanePariah | Guten Tag Ahli |
| 22:55.43 | ArcanePariah | (Ofc it probably is spelled a bit different... <-- Should learn alt characters :P ) |
| 22:57.08 | Ahli | spelling is correct |
| 23:05.34 | ArcanePariah | Merry Xmas to you (its almost midnight for you right?) |
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| 23:41.51 | Ahli | it's 0:41 the 25th right now. presents are shared on the evening on the 24th here. |
| 23:42.00 | Ahli | 0:42am |
