| 00:01.14 | rtschutter | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49867307/SC2Help/ActorTerms.jpg |
| 00:02.53 | DeadZergling | if a solution exists, it is most definitely in the Validate section in the bottom |
| 00:03.08 | DeadZergling | Player and Unit in particular look worth playing with |
| 00:03.26 | rtschutter | validateplayer |
| 00:03.30 | rtschutter | is what I am already trying to use |
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| 00:03.45 | rtschutter | but it changes the fungal |
| 00:04.01 | rtschutter | to be the color of the player who is being fungaled, and not the color of the player who is doing the fungaling |
| 00:04.24 | DeadZergling | right, can I see what you are using right now? |
| 00:04.28 | rtschutter | the fungal actor appears to associate itself with the victim and not with the attacker |
| 00:04.42 | rtschutter | you can see in this screenshot |
| 00:04.50 | rtschutter | 'validatePLayer TCERed" |
| 00:05.04 | rtschutter | TCERed is a validator that just checks to see if the player has the TCE Red upgrade |
| 00:05.16 | rtschutter | which is an upgrade I assign to the player if his color is red |
| 00:05.34 | DeadZergling | Can I see you clicked on one of these validateplayers in the events |
| 00:05.39 | DeadZergling | and the validator itself? |
| 00:06.04 | rtschutter | I mean there is nothing to it in the events |
| 00:06.16 | rtschutter | there is only one option for validate player and that is to select the validator |
| 00:06.22 | rtschutter | and the validator that is selected is TCERed |
| 00:06.32 | DeadZergling | kk, can I see the validator then |
| 00:06.35 | rtschutter | TCERed is a player requirement validator |
| 00:06.40 | rtschutter | so there isn't much to see there either |
| 00:06.50 | DeadZergling | perhaps not, but can you show me nothing anyways? lol |
| 00:06.52 | rtschutter | the requirement is just set to the TCERed requirement |
| 00:06.55 | DeadZergling | I might see somethign you don't |
| 00:07.37 | rtschutter | https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8fqd7vfimjiy11/Screenshot%202013-12-19%2016.07.20.png |
| 00:07.48 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/ghan8 |
| 00:08.26 | DeadZergling | I don't like player origin, isn't there a player caster field or something like that? |
| 00:08.59 | DeadZergling | Other Player might be worth playing with here as well, I haven't used the field myself, but could be what you need here |
| 00:09.30 | mille25_ | fuck |
| 00:09.35 | mille25_ | my tv remote just stopped working D: |
| 00:10.19 | DeadZergling | oh come now mille25_, that is the sort of problem my wife has.... |
| 00:10.49 | DeadZergling | couple days ago, she couldn't figure out the mystery of loading paper in the printer |
| 00:10.50 | JademusSreg | Conspiracy: mille is actually married to Deadz. |
| 00:11.25 | mille25_ | my theory is even more paradox |
| 00:11.29 | mille25_ | the batteries might be empty! |
| 00:12.04 | DeadZergling | yea, the remote problem is usually far more complex around my place |
| 00:12.14 | DeadZergling | she pressed a bad button and forgot how to go back to TV mode, lol |
| 00:12.26 | rtschutter | changing player origin to caster did not fix |
| 00:13.17 | mille25_ | fuck |
| 00:13.22 | mille25_ | got no more batteries |
| 00:13.28 | mille25_ | and the tv does not have any manual controls |
| 00:13.29 | mille25_ | haha |
| 00:13.33 | DeadZergling | Try caster as other unit then, and clear out the other one |
| 00:13.36 | mille25_ | cant even turn it off without removing power :D |
| 00:13.57 | DeadZergling | sorry, Other Player |
| 00:15.11 | DeadZergling | Have to keep in mind of course rtschutter, this is stuff I haven't done either, I'm just giving you my best guesses here :) |
| 00:16.19 | rtschutter | yeah I can't figure it out |
| 00:16.25 | rtschutter | really wish there was some documentation |
| 00:16.55 | JademusSreg | mille, do you have a smart phone? |
| 00:17.17 | mille25_ | okay wtf |
| 00:17.23 | mille25_ | i just found new battieries |
| 00:17.25 | mille25_ | and its still dead |
| 00:17.27 | mille25_ | why the ... |
| 00:17.39 | DeadZergling | try pressing TV button at the top? lol |
| 00:17.46 | mille25_ | i do, but my tv is not connected to the network, at least my app doesnt detect it |
| 00:17.48 | mille25_ | already tried :D |
| 00:18.09 | mille25_ | okay its back now... appearantly just needed some time with the new batteries |
| 00:18.10 | mille25_ | weird shit |
| 00:18.11 | JademusSreg | mille, can your phone signal in the IR spectrum? |
| 00:18.17 | DeadZergling | aye, well I might be more useful later rtschutter |
| 00:18.20 | mille25_ | got a galaxy s4 and a samsung tv |
| 00:18.42 | DeadZergling | JademusSreg might step in too before then, this problem SHOULD be easier than your last one, honestly |
| 00:19.02 | JademusSreg | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freeirtv&hl=en |
| 00:20.01 | rtschutter | I think I can do it by using a similar method to the force field, by created 8 different fungal growth behaviors, 8 different fungal growth actors, and 8 different fungal growth effects, one for each color |
| 00:20.10 | rtschutter | but it seems like there really should be a better way |
| 00:20.17 | DeadZergling | yep, there should be |
| 00:20.24 | DeadZergling | this way is painful to hear about, let alone do |
| 00:20.33 | rtschutter | I mean |
| 00:20.41 | rtschutter | I would be done with it by now if I had just done that already |
| 00:20.56 | DeadZergling | price of learning, sometimes |
| 00:20.59 | rtschutter | but I hate doing things and feeling like there was a better way and I just never figured it out |
| 00:21.31 | JademusSreg | I may have time to work on it latter tonight. |
| 00:21.38 | JademusSreg | *later |
| 00:21.55 | JademusSreg | Been busy today. |
| 00:36.48 | JademusSreg | Fixed some irregularities in the Vector function parameters. https://pastee.org/h57p4 |
| 00:48.30 | Zandose | in triggers, if you remove a buff which isnt on a unit do you get errors? |
| 00:48.55 | DeadZergling | no |
| 00:49.00 | Zandose | k |
| 00:49.57 | DeadZergling | main errors I typically enjoyed were from me not typing the exact behavior name right, but if you just going gui this shouldn't be an issue |
| 00:50.42 | rtschutter | lol |
| 00:50.56 | rtschutter | well I got the color of the fungal working using the method similar to force fields |
| 00:51.02 | rtschutter | but it doesn't root the units |
| 00:51.05 | rtschutter | they can move around |
| 00:51.08 | rtschutter | so that isn't good |
| 00:51.51 | DeadZergling | sure isn't, must have missed something |
| 00:55.03 | rtschutter | everything looks okay to me |
| 00:55.06 | rtschutter | what the hell |
| 00:57.25 | rtschutter | it is for some reason |
| 00:57.32 | rtschutter | not applying the movement supressing behavior |
| 00:57.35 | rtschutter | even though it should |
| 00:57.46 | rtschutter | it uses a set effect |
| 00:57.52 | rtschutter | to apply two separate effects |
| 00:57.54 | rtschutter | one is a switch |
| 00:58.00 | rtschutter | that applies the behavior which changes the color |
| 00:58.09 | rtschutter | the other effect is the movement supressing behavior |
| 00:58.18 | rtschutter | its applying one but not the other, even though it's a set |
| 01:06.57 | rtschutter | lol this is dumb |
| 01:07.21 | DeadZergling | probably an issue with the target |
| 01:08.22 | rtschutter | I dont see how |
| 01:08.25 | rtschutter | the target hasn't changed |
| 01:08.33 | rtschutter | and the switch is applying to the target just fine |
| 01:08.42 | rtschutter | the thing that stopped working |
| 01:08.46 | rtschutter | is the thing I didn't even touch |
| 01:11.27 | rtschutter | I am going to try restarting the editor |
| 01:14.22 | rtschutter | nope, still doesnt work |
| 01:22.36 | Repo | New experimental asset: HeroLineWars(+Design,-Trigger,-Data) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/herolinewarsdesign-trigger-data/ |
| 01:22.52 | Repo | New asset: HeroLineWars(+Design,-Trigger,-Data) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/herolinewarsdesign-trigger-data/ |
| 01:22.53 | Repo | New map: The Vampirism HOTS v.1.6 (Free-to-take) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/vampirism-hots-v-1-6-free-take/ |
| 01:27.37 | DeadZergling | nice, free models in that vampirism deal I think |
| 02:13.58 | rtschutter | woo |
| 02:14.00 | rtschutter | I got it working |
| 02:14.07 | rtschutter | using what I think is a slightly better method |
| 02:15.04 | JademusSreg | Btw, rts, nearly done with my solution. |
| 02:15.05 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:15.37 | rtschutter | except |
| 02:15.51 | rtschutter | now the goddamn fungal growth model doesn't go away after the effect ends |
| 02:15.52 | rtschutter | dammit |
| 02:36.54 | rtschutter | lol |
| 02:37.01 | rtschutter | now I have the fungal disappearing correctly |
| 02:37.09 | rtschutter | but when you try to fungal the same units again |
| 02:37.13 | rtschutter | the fungal model does not show up |
| 02:37.19 | rtschutter | I hate the data editor so fucking much |
| 02:42.31 | DeadZergling | having your share of fun I see |
| 02:43.59 | rtschutter | lol this is such a mess |
| 02:44.16 | rtschutter | I have had to create like 20 effects, 9 actors, 9 behaviors, 9 validators |
| 02:45.34 | DeadZergling | I've used similar amounts, for one ability :) |
| 02:45.53 | rtschutter | now I think I should have just spent my time trying to figure out how to get a validator to work for detecting the player who applied the behavior to the unit |
| 02:46.10 | rtschutter | but validators and requirements are INSANELY unintuitive |
| 02:46.20 | rtschutter | there is almost no way to understand how they work just by looking at them |
| 02:54.56 | rtschutter | yeahhhhhh finally |
| 02:54.57 | rtschutter | its working |
| 02:55.02 | rtschutter | though it looks kind of shitty |
| 02:56.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:57.14 | rtschutter | fungal growth might be the one effect that a texture swap would make more sense |
| 03:10.29 | rtschutter | Well Jade I am probably going to get some sleep soon. If you end up finishing your idea I would love to see it, maybe just send it as a PM or something... I will leave IRC on |
| 03:16.43 | JademusSreg | Well, for one thing, it's a solution using only a single actor. |
| 03:17.15 | JademusSreg | And it doesn't change an effect, or the force field unit actor, or duplicate it. |
| 03:17.26 | JademusSreg | So that all by itself is pretty nice. =D |
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| 03:27.54 | Bounty | kapow |
| 03:28.13 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 03:28.57 | Bounty | Attending the event tomorrow Jade? |
| 03:29.51 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 03:29.52 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 03:41.18 | JademusSreg | is fixing a chromebook. |
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| 04:24.29 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 05:17.31 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 05:18.12 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 05:18.16 | ArcanePariah | Has A1win decided on a name for his game? |
| 05:18.26 | JademusSreg | Not of which I am aware. |
| 05:18.30 | ArcanePariah | And has JademusSreg completed his port of shitty C code? |
| 05:18.33 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 05:18.39 | JademusSreg | Nope, but I have some foundation. |
| 05:20.13 | JademusSreg | Scalar https://pastee.org/69442 Vector https://pastee.org/h57p4 Matrix https://pastee.org/3krz3 |
| 05:20.17 | ArcanePariah | Welp, I'm mostly finished with my color customizer however I am exploring doing it with purely dialogs as opposed to using a unit, however I have run into a snag, apparently portrait UI elements are marked blizzard only |
| 05:22.40 | ArcanePariah | Also, I better understand why you do the vector ops, but from my reading of things, vectorization (which is where vec ops would be utlilized) is usually done by the compiler, I assume you intend them to be used where you wish to explicity vectorized some script. But then again, I thought the Galaxy interpreter was fundamnetally single theaded, so no parallelzation is really useful |
| 05:23.26 | ArcanePariah | Unless there is some performance gain my creating multiple threads with vector ops, but then I thought the Galaxy VM had a fairly limited thread pool to work with |
| 05:24.39 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no, haha. Need data structures to support the math required for geometric applications. |
| 05:25.40 | ArcanePariah | So are those functions basically simplified abstractions so that others can use more low level functions (saving in time), without having to understand the underlying logic? |
| 05:26.12 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 05:27.01 | ArcanePariah | Could you not generalize those matrix functions to handle arbitrary sized matricies? |
| 05:27.34 | JademusSreg | Remember, galaxy vm employs static memory allocation. |
| 05:27.36 | ArcanePariah | By having another 2 parameters to indicate dimensions (with 2nd being optional, if not indicated, asssume sqauare?) |
| 05:28.04 | ArcanePariah | Correct, all memory alllcation is known at compile time |
| 05:28.13 | JademusSreg | So unlike C, it absolutely does not permit arbitrary or dynamically sized arrays. |
| 05:28.22 | ArcanePariah | Since it does not permit variables in array sizes |
| 05:28.31 | ArcanePariah | (when intializing them) |
| 05:28.46 | JademusSreg | If it did, this code would be so much shorter. |
| 05:29.09 | ArcanePariah | That's a collsal understatement |
| 05:29.58 | ArcanePariah | With proper points, I remember learning things like strcpy are 1 liners |
| 05:30.03 | ArcanePariah | pointers* |
| 05:30.19 | JademusSreg | With those done, I can proceed to code Polygon, Shape, Mesh, Serial, and eventually finish Toronoi. |
| 05:32.32 | ArcanePariah | Could one somewhat get around lack of dynamic sized arrays by simply creating global large sized arrays and using hashing to provide semi dynamic creation/storage? |
| 05:32.43 | ArcanePariah | Basically use a spare hash array? |
| 05:32.49 | ArcanePariah | sparse* |
| 05:33.39 | ArcanePariah | I would assume with then now massive memory space avaible to us, it would incur minimal penalty to statically allocate a massive large array of every useful data type |
| 05:34.04 | ArcanePariah | Adding a bit to load time, but gain run time overall performance |
| 05:34.41 | ArcanePariah | I'm kind of assuming the assignment operation is relatively minimal in perfomance impact as well |
| 05:34.54 | JademusSreg | Serial will be code for serializing all this data shit, so I can use it to load instances of these data structures and operate on them. Necessary since structref and arrayref are forbidden from the global scope, retaining the data after operating on them across the source scope would otherwise be more or less impossible. |
| 05:35.15 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e273xl5adw4nzzl/GalaxyPerformance.png |
| 05:35.22 | JademusSreg | Raw performance data. |
| 05:36.14 | JademusSreg | Haven't had time to crunch the numbers yet, but using TestVoid as the baseline for a function call, you can see how much slower or faster everything else is. |
| 05:36.37 | JademusSreg | Wait, for instance, extremely fast. |
| 05:36.44 | ArcanePariah | Ok, skimming that indicates most assigns cost next to nothing (600k executions, total run time less then 0.2 seconds) |
| 05:37.38 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no use calculating the actual run times, more useful to know relative performance to other operations. |
| 05:38.04 | ArcanePariah | Interesting that rand sucks horribly |
| 05:38.14 | JademusSreg | Naw, look at the number of executions. |
| 05:38.29 | ArcanePariah | Even accouting for that |
| 05:38.31 | ArcanePariah | still sucks |
| 05:39.04 | ArcanePariah | Reducing its executions in half to about the others still leaves it runtime total easily 2-3x the others |
| 05:39.18 | JademusSreg | Oh, you meant my custom function. |
| 05:39.45 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's quite curious. |
| 05:39.47 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, rand |
| 05:39.55 | ArcanePariah | the native tho is indeed very fast |
| 05:40.21 | ArcanePariah | Even then the native is still relatively slow |
| 05:40.36 | ArcanePariah | divide its executions by 3, and the total runtime is still one of the higher ones |
| 05:41.03 | JademusSreg | *divide by 25 |
| 05:41.30 | ArcanePariah | Oh duh, yeah, more like divide by 30 |
| 05:41.49 | JademusSreg | 15509601/596524 = 25.99996144329482133158 |
| 05:41.51 | ArcanePariah | IN that case, yeah the native is brutallly fast |
| 05:42.29 | ArcanePariah | In fact, unless my math is off again its faster then wait |
| 05:42.38 | JademusSreg | Slightly slower. |
| 05:43.17 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 05:43.53 | ArcanePariah | Why does all the arithmetic functions perform equally bad? |
| 05:44.05 | ArcanePariah | I thought things like adds were faster then multis? |
| 05:44.17 | ArcanePariah | Or is it because there is no optimization at all really? |
| 05:44.26 | ArcanePariah | SO all of them are treated equally |
| 05:44.58 | JademusSreg | Gotta subtract the value of TestVoid from everything, but yeah, pretty slow. |
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| 05:45.24 | JademusSreg | And I don't even return the values. |
| 05:45.32 | ArcanePariah | Puch |
| 05:45.45 | ArcanePariah | Ouch* |
| 05:46.22 | ArcanePariah | Looks like layers of abstraction (Script -> VM -> Engine -> native code) just kills performance |
| 05:47.14 | ArcanePariah | I'm going to assume the tradeoffs of having a better interpreter vs the overhead of said interpreter amounts to 0 |
| 05:47.15 | JademusSreg | Actually, to get a clearer idea of its execution, subtract the time of TestAssignLocal from it. |
| 05:48.03 | ArcanePariah | Still pretty bad, over 1 second |
| 05:48.11 | ArcanePariah | Even after no assign local and test void |
| 05:48.16 | ArcanePariah | for all of them |
| 05:48.24 | JademusSreg | TestAssignLocal tests assignment to a local variable, which is what all the arithmetic and bitshift tests involve, so that should provide a better sense of relative execution speed. |
| 05:49.11 | JademusSreg | 563.693-288.896=274.797 |
| 05:49.51 | ArcanePariah | Wait, are we looking at total self time or total + children? |
| 05:49.55 | JademusSreg | Which means the operation itself is slightly faster than the initialization/assignment of a local variable. |
| 05:50.11 | JademusSreg | Total Self. |
| 05:50.15 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
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| 05:50.22 | ArcanePariah | I was looking at total + children |
| 05:50.40 | JademusSreg | The tests are conducted in such a way that I'd know all the constituent operations for a given test. |
| 05:50.54 | ArcanePariah | In that case, the ops aren't that bad, but what is all the overhead of children then? |
| 05:51.15 | ArcanePariah | What is it calling children execution time? |
| 05:51.26 | JademusSreg | Which allows one to account for those times just as one "solves out" complementary terms of an expression. |
| 05:52.03 | JademusSreg | It would make more sense if you save the code, which will be in the analysis, when I get around to it. |
| 05:52.13 | JademusSreg | *if you saw |
| 05:52.50 | ArcanePariah | I gotta wonder as well, when doesn one reach the limit of coding optimzation being less influential on run time then the overhead of the underlying platform? Since the platform serves as a floor in terms of peformance |
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| 05:53.15 | ArcanePariah | Nado |
| 05:53.29 | JademusSreg | I'd attempt to answer the question, but not sure how to go about parameterizing it. |
| 05:54.48 | JademusSreg | Also, need to run the tests again, with an additional tweak to ensure excess randomness isn't skewing the results. |
| 05:55.35 | ArcanePariah | Well, I'm thinking in terms of how I structure my own program algorithims, and there are certainly choices that can make it more efficient (code refactoing, uses better algos, maybe some paralellization, local memory over global, etc.) but when does one reach the point where such decisions have a minmal impact compared to said improvements to the platform itself? Like no matter how well I write my code, if I'm using a terrible co |
| 05:55.45 | ArcanePariah | with a good compiler, can produce superior results |
| 05:56.19 | JademusSreg | Worth noting, aside from anything else, is that galaxy function calls can be no faster than about 2.5 times slower than many natives calls. |
| 05:56.34 | JademusSreg | That alone is an important lesson,. |
| 05:56.37 | JademusSreg | brb in 5 |
| 05:56.40 | ArcanePariah | We both could write idenitcal math calculation programs, but if my compiler use hardware optimizations, it will almost always function faster (since it is using said hardware acceleation) |
| 05:57.43 | Zandose | in triggers, how do you round a number based on some other number. for instance, i have a random number and it needs to round by either every 0.10 or 2.0 |
| 05:58.04 | ArcanePariah | So, in other words the galaxy VM is a siginificant hit on performance... wonderful |
| 05:58.16 | Zandose | so 2.3 would equal 2, 0.15 would equal .1 |
| 05:58.24 | ArcanePariah | Zandose, there is round functions |
| 05:58.38 | ArcanePariah | YOu would have to use a conditional (if else) |
| 05:58.54 | ArcanePariah | I would create a function, that passes the number to be rounded and the precision |
| 05:59.09 | ArcanePariah | and based on the precision, provide the correct parameters to the round function |
| 05:59.21 | ArcanePariah | and returns the rounded number |
| 05:59.50 | Zandose | i did see the round functions but it only takes on the fractional part |
| 06:00.35 | ArcanePariah | OK, how I would approach this is to modulus the number by the precision (so in your case for 2.3, it would be 2.3 % 2, leaving .3 |
| 06:00.58 | ArcanePariah | and then take the remainders nad compare it to half the precision (so is 0.3 < 2/2 |
| 06:01.02 | ArcanePariah | if so, return 0 |
| 06:01.27 | Zandose | i think i understand |
| 06:01.49 | ArcanePariah | if it was above, add the precision to the main number (so 2 in your case if it 3.1) to get the final answer |
| 06:02.27 | ArcanePariah | so 2.3 % 2 = 0.3 (subtract this from 2.3 to get your base number) then do the comparision, and either add 0 or 2 |
| 06:02.27 | Zandose | ty |
| 06:02.39 | Zandose | gotit |
| 06:02.42 | Zandose | got it |
| 06:02.47 | ArcanePariah | Excellent |
| 06:03.45 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, your tests (from my understanding) establish the performance overhead of the Galaxy VM stack |
| 06:04.47 | ArcanePariah | By comparising the execution speed of natives (which do not use the VM stack, at least I'm assuming this, being natives), and our defined functions which must be interpreted at runtime and use the VM stack (or maybe its just the performacne overhead of interpretation) |
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| 06:10.16 | DeadZergling | lol Bounty, Moon left a real winner as the final post to the steal-a-map thread, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/60305-need-to-deprotect-a-map-any-helpers-pm-me/?page=3#posts |
| 06:16.31 | ArcanePariah | loool |
| 06:16.45 | ArcanePariah | So much comedy on the forums recently |
| 06:17.50 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 06:18.02 | JademusSreg | Also, ridiculous topic. |
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| 06:19.54 | ArcanePariah | So anyhow, is my interpretation of your results correct? |
| 06:20.19 | ArcanePariah | That the results you have gathered effectively demonstrate the overhead of the interpreter? |
| 06:22.18 | JademusSreg | More or less. It's also valuable when high performance implementations are needed, look up the relative speed of an operation (once I document the analysis, of course) compared to others, choose the least shitty. |
| 06:25.55 | ArcanePariah | I do wonder.... for much of software it is (usually) clear which is more preferable, faster/more efficient code, or faster development time. But I think for games, it is not as easily determine, since games often push performance, but still are demanded to be built relatively quickly, necessitating better tools (while still deliver performance) |
| 06:26.52 | ArcanePariah | Like for me, I've spent a fair amount of time optimizing code, and it does help, but many times I feel the tool I'm using slows me down (which may be the tool or my lack of familiarity with it) |
| 06:27.02 | ArcanePariah | Tool in this case being the galaxy editor |
| 06:27.27 | ArcanePariah | I guess I just want the same power, but in a more effective form? |
| 06:27.55 | ArcanePariah | Like the data navigation feature I find incredibly powerful, but it is very limited in scope, so I have to often trace stuff by examinig each object |
| 06:28.13 | ArcanePariah | Instead of just being able to see every object that is linked to another |
| 06:28.45 | ArcanePariah | Like actors do a faily good job, in that stuff placed in event fields are linked, but every other actor field is a hit and miss |
| 06:30.18 | JademusSreg | Short answer to fast and efficient development, experience. Provided enough experience, one can quickly recode or adapt code from what one understands, probably has amassed a collection of snippets to wedge into common problems, can better understand new programming technologies and APIs, and has learned to navigate the activity of development itself. |
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| 06:33.30 | ArcanePariah | Fair point, I was able to recode and refactor a bunch of stuff based on some practical experience and as my experience grew, I found I could do it faster and with less error, and usually a more efficient way |
| 06:33.49 | ArcanePariah | Also my solutions tend to be simpler and more effective now |
| 06:33.57 | ArcanePariah | Less roundabout clutter |
| 06:35.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:35.44 | ArcanePariah | Also once I found and understood User Types it made my world 100 x easier |
| 06:36.06 | ArcanePariah | brb |
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| 06:37.09 | ArcanePariah | Back |
| 06:37.52 | JademusSreg | I look forward to the accolades and my receiving of the prestigous Informative Problem-Slayer And Also Handsome award. |
| 06:38.04 | ArcanePariah | So anyhow... yeah, it does seem the editor now has all the most important aspects to do full game development, it seems the only things lacking are certain restrictions (like UI frames being locked) and lack of documentation of data editor parts |
| 06:38.41 | ArcanePariah | I wonder what will become possible when/if they add online campaign support/serverside banks/more documentation of features |
| 06:38.52 | ArcanePariah | Plus maybe some more official tutorials |
| 06:39.35 | ArcanePariah | Mostly interested in what kind of people we attract with extension mods |
| 06:39.39 | ArcanePariah | If any |
| 06:40.56 | JademusSreg | If I had to speculate with so little information, I expect there will be more RPGs, more grind-games, more persistent features, more campaigns, and very few of them will ever be released. |
| 06:41.27 | JademusSreg | Fewer still will be decent. =D |
| 06:43.10 | ArcanePariah | So in other words, the arcade will become the Blizzard equilvalent of steam, with a ton of games, some interesting, most worthless, and a few that rise to the top because of network effect and maybe 1 or 2 with actually good design/development? |
| 06:43.22 | ArcanePariah | Sounds about right |
| 06:44.26 | ArcanePariah | I think I asked you once, but I'll ask you again. Relative to other maps on the arcade, how do rate Night of the Dead in 1) Gameplay Design 2) Technical quality and 3) Overall polish/quality |
| 06:45.17 | ArcanePariah | I know popularity is a poor metric for actual gameplay quality, but I figure it did something right to still be on the more favored maps on NA, and have people like me who sunk over 2k hours into it |
| 06:45.28 | ArcanePariah | 3k* |
| 06:47.07 | JademusSreg | I imagine the quality of cultural artifacts is subject to gravity, and as such is subject to the inverse square law. |
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| 06:50.07 | JademusSreg | Perhaps I should have appended </physicsjoke> |
| 06:50.43 | ArcanePariah | Nah I got it |
| 06:51.46 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:59.02 | DeadZergling | This has got to be the epitome of lame, redoing ability tooltips |
| 07:00.26 | DeadZergling | I was very tired making some of them obviously, found a few that read like Japanese Conglaturatiom screens |
| 07:01.55 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming you are using data references so you don't have to redo them in the future |
| 07:02.02 | ArcanePariah | or at least parts of them |
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| 07:11.48 | DeadZergling | dref fields, aye |
| 07:15.52 | G0A | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/12033216/the-arcade-holiday-marathon-12-16-2013 |
| 07:16.15 | G0A | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/12077572/patch-21-preview-clan-and-group-improvements-12-19-2013 |
| 07:16.18 | ArcanePariah | MMmh, good times, I do like how Tray has been on the mapster forum a decent amount |
| 07:18.16 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 07:20.04 | DeadZergling | this vampirsim map is funny, says on it, WARNING DO NOT RATE THIS GAME LOWWER |
| 07:21.24 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg: Traysent from Blizzard has been posting a few times recently, he was coordinating the EU mapnight with the Arcade Marathon |
| 07:21.36 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 07:21.41 | JademusSreg | Then I'm definitely in. |
| 07:21.45 | ArcanePariah | He posted like 2 hours ago |
| 07:22.10 | ArcanePariah | See the above link to see the Arcade Marathon schedule |
| 07:22.51 | DeadZergling | why exactly did it have to be on a damn Friday |
| 07:23.19 | ArcanePariah | Probably because it means the Blizz staff can play all day at work? |
| 07:23.22 | G0A | because probably its blizz's last working day before xmas and they want to be lazy about it:D |
| 07:23.32 | ArcanePariah | That too probably |
| 07:23.32 | G0A | yeah:D |
| 07:23.49 | G0A | lets play why they pay:D |
| 07:23.51 | G0A | while* |
| 07:24.12 | ArcanePariah | Plus its kind of tradition of sorts, most workplaces have a feeeling of Its Friday and why do shit? |
| 07:26.07 | ArcanePariah | Also it is somewhat about competition, DOta is doing their xmas event as well |
| 07:35.48 | DeadZergling | I have a different take on it |
| 07:35.53 | DeadZergling | it is due to the fact they hate me |
| 07:36.51 | DeadZergling | oh well, not like my mod is ready anyways... |
| 07:36.57 | JademusSreg | Not just the people at Blizzard, sure all of them do, but the company itself, in possession of its own aggregate sapience, personally hates Deadz. |
| 07:37.10 | DeadZergling | that's right JademusSreg ! |
| 07:37.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:37.38 | DeadZergling | okay, well think it is safe for me to pass on any of the amazing assets from vampirism |
| 07:37.47 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 07:37.50 | DeadZergling | most of them seem to be him proving he knows how to use the colorize tool |
| 07:38.12 | DeadZergling | guy posted his project for anyone who wants, gave up on it |
| 07:38.18 | DeadZergling | so I was checking out what assets it had |
| 07:38.35 | JademusSreg | No idea to what you refer. |
| 07:38.47 | DeadZergling | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/vampirism-hots-v-1-6-free-take/ |
| 07:39.36 | JademusSreg | Er, I was hoping for pictures, haha. |
| 07:43.45 | DeadZergling | ah well, was fun to snoop around at for 20 mins |
| 07:46.06 | JademusSreg | Hm. Weird. |
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| 07:47.48 | JademusSreg | Er, did they change how tokens work in 2.1? id tokens are not working as they should, it seems. |
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| 08:34.53 | Kueken | JademusSreg: Hardly anyone besides you uses tokens, so I dunno |
| 08:35.39 | Kueken | I would probably use them if I would work on a serious project, but usually I don't bother for the occasional testmap |
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| 09:01.34 | DeadZergling | sigh, someone make the bad tooltips stop |
| 09:09.48 | DeadZergling | yea, I should definitely be editing text field when I'm so tired I can't even hit backspace right, great plan... |
| 09:23.21 | JademusSreg | Zoople. |
| 09:23.31 | DeadZergling | and done, better believe I'm backing that fucker up right now |
| 09:24.30 | JademusSreg | I was using the ##id## token reference in a Validator. It kindasorta works, but not as it should. |
| 09:26.18 | DeadZergling | almost feel the need to reply in drefs now, sigh |
| 09:26.29 | DeadZergling | nice, so they broke something already? |
| 09:27.09 | JademusSreg | Dunno. Never tried using ##id## in a validator before, so perhaps it has always sucked there. |
| 09:28.52 | DeadZergling | I see, well I think I finally reached a point I can switch to triggers tommorrow |
| 09:29.46 | DeadZergling | that is almost as good as finishing the project for me at this point, lol |
| 09:34.48 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 10:00.37 | Kueken | what happens, if one attempts to make all units explode on death but forgets that missiles count as units? |
| 10:00.38 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx-1H0P_wRY |
| 10:06.05 | Kueken | also, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-D1KVIuvjA |
| 10:06.18 | JademusSreg | When does the exploding occur? |
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| 10:31.54 | DeadZergling | better question JademusSreg, is when does the exploding not occur |
| 10:32.07 | DeadZergling | it is pretty constant in that video |
| 10:32.12 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 10:32.44 | DeadZergling | everything attack with baneling explosions, lol |
| 10:37.17 | JademusSreg | Don't have the patience to watch all of it. =D |
| 10:38.50 | Zolden | hitler didn't have patience too, and look waht happened |
| 10:39.09 | Zolden | he cut his splendid moustache into an ugly square |
| 10:39.39 | JademusSreg | Yeah, however I'm not trying to conquer youtube, so no danger there. |
| 10:41.04 | JademusSreg | Let's see if my mad science bullshit works... |
| 10:42.58 | G0A | magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AOIIcGqpf8 :) |
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| 11:07.58 | Kueken | JademusSreg: Well, it was pretty hilarious when queen larva inject almost killed the hatchery, because it uses missiles to visualise the eggs becoming larvae :) |
| 11:08.54 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 11:09.02 | Kueken | also, one Mutalisk shot obliterating the entire mining operation, since it explodes on every bounce |
| 11:12.41 | G0A | does it works with hellion?:) |
| 11:13.07 | JademusSreg | No missile. =\ |
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| 11:25.27 | Renee | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/60386-2-1-ptr-patch-1-new-editor-stuff/#p1 |
| 11:25.59 | Renee | A good news for GH author |
| 11:30.43 | JademusSreg | Er, did this patch come out today? =D |
| 11:32.27 | JademusSreg | If so, guess that means I have to perform my extractions all over again. |
| 11:34.56 | Renee | yep |
| 11:44.38 | JademusSreg | Well, hopefully there will be some fun additions. |
| 11:47.02 | JademusSreg | hopes for new natives. |
| 11:55.36 | JademusSreg | Bleh. Not much, just some data and layout shit. |
| 12:07.29 | Kueken | Jademus is disappoint! |
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| 12:11.40 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 12:44.12 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 12:47.44 | rtschutter | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49867307/GAMEHEART/Blog/Images/Colored_Effects3.jpg |
| 12:49.03 | JademusSreg | I've been coloring them with a Simple actor, on event Effect.someeffect.Start or Create in the case of the ForceField. |
| 12:49.09 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 13:13.59 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 16:07.33 | ZandoseAFK | does anyone have the map which uses units, actors, or something like that to create cameras? |
| 16:08.09 | JademusSreg | Zol certainly does, and I've done it as well. |
| 16:08.43 | JademusSreg | There are a few caveats. |
| 16:09.21 | JademusSreg | *Zol almost certainly does; depends on how he implemented his 3D colossus demo. |
| 16:11.00 | JademusSreg | Anyway, at least one camera must be in the model asset, but that's not a problem since once can easily attach a camera-containing model to one without it. |
| 16:11.07 | JademusSreg | *one can |
| 16:11.13 | ZandoseAFK | ic |
| 16:11.39 | JademusSreg | I'll check the demo, see if I still has the data I used. |
| 16:13.05 | JademusSreg | The other caveat is that a camera actor host is the target of the camera, and the camera actor has a separate field for defining the "Eye" host. |
| 16:14.01 | ZandoseAFK | k |
| 16:14.01 | Zolden | my demo was about model camera (which may be a different kind of object than a normal camera), also, model camera has to be a part of unit main actor model to be referenced by the trigger that sets camera to rtt channel |
| 16:14.36 | JademusSreg | Haha, yeah, figured you used triggers rather than pure data, but either way. |
| 16:15.00 | ZandoseAFK | can i get both of your maps? |
| 16:15.26 | JademusSreg | Testing to see if this is the correct demo. |
| 16:15.36 | Zolden | ell me what you wnat to achieve (i suspect that my approach is useless for you) |
| 16:15.53 | Zandose | i just want to see what they can and cannot do. |
| 16:16.20 | Zolden | to use it how? |
| 16:16.52 | Zandose | cameras for the player looking in different directions |
| 16:17.14 | Zandose | or a camera watching a throw attack |
| 16:18.22 | Zolden | for throw attack it's easy, but I think that u'll need a trigger to switch player's camera to the one that attached to model |
| 16:18.56 | JademusSreg | Haha, editor crashed. |
| 16:19.06 | Zolden | ask Tomura when he come |
| 16:19.39 | Zandose | but for now i was hoping to just get the maps and see what they do |
| 16:19.56 | JademusSreg | Editor crashed upon adding my sexy macro. |
| 16:21.27 | JademusSreg | If it crashes again for no good reason, I'll paste the xml. |
| 16:22.51 | JademusSreg | Wow, my installations must be damaged. =D |
| 16:23.39 | Zandose | any forum stuff on it? |
| 16:24.30 | Zolden | Zandose my map example is rtt oriented and will probably be useless for you http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/49403-cse-render-to-texture-includes-trigger-version/?post=68 |
| 16:25.08 | JademusSreg | I'll manually modify the map eithout the editor, then send it. |
| 16:25.16 | Zandose | ty |
| 16:32.40 | JademusSreg | Keep in mind, this is a map Bounty and I both worked on, so it might be pretty damn messy. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/The%20Cave%20Alt.SC2Map |
| 16:33.05 | Zandose | k. ill take a look a little later. ty again |
| 16:34.56 | JademusSreg | Imperfect implementation, but it demonstrates the camera model / actor relationship, and how the unit actor can support it to make a more-or-less controllable perspective attached to a unit. |
| 16:42.52 | Zandose | in data you can select the imported model but in triggers you cant? |
| 16:43.32 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean. |
| 16:44.55 | Zandose | for Zolden's tutorial it tells me to change the marines model to a imported model which works fine. now in triggers, when i want to select the imported model it doesnt show up. |
| 16:47.44 | Zolden | what action r u trying to select the imported for? |
| 16:48.03 | Zandose | a model swap. Actor - Send message (ModelSwap (Game Link("RTT_Screen_Ch1.m3")) 1) to actor (Actor for (Last created unit)) |
| 16:48.35 | Zolden | model swap using data entries, mot files |
| 16:48.50 | Zandose | huh |
| 16:49.01 | Zandose | i did data version already |
| 16:49.08 | Zandose | wanted to know if i could do in triggers |
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| 17:35.13 | G0A | map night in 30 minutes |
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| 17:36.34 | JademusSreg | Damn, if only I could make a playable map within 30 minutes, fuck. |
| 17:36.52 | rtschutter | Did they ever make 'picture in picture' possible with the RTT stuff? Give us a way to embed RTT into a dialog or lock a unit onto the player camera? |
| 17:37.18 | rtschutter | I felt like I came pretty close with Zolden's models but it was just too choppy |
| 17:37.51 | G0A | JademusSreg was that a challenge?:) |
| 17:43.16 | JademusSreg | To me, personally, yes. Mostly because I go all Deep Thought on design, and need to construct an entire planet to solve it, apparently. |
| 17:46.49 | Zolden | rtschutter Atrestu agreed, that it should be fixed after I showed him that there's no way to attach rtt picture to camera, he said they'll most probably implement an easy way to attach a unit to camera asynchonously, but then they all focused on allstars and nothing has been done since |
| 17:48.59 | JademusSreg | I prefer "Herostorm". |
| 17:49.03 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 17:49.21 | Zandose | you can create a rtt camera in a portrait but it uses the players main camera and you cant change it |
| 17:49.28 | JademusSreg | had an amusing idea. |
| 17:53.06 | G0A | Zolden A1win JademusSreg get your asses up to bnet map night |
| 17:53.08 | Zolden | JademusSreg i call it hotst usually, but at those times it was allstars |
| 17:53.23 | Zolden | G0A i'm facing a problem i can't leave unsolved |
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| 18:00.00 | ArcanePariah | oy rtschutter, Blizzard implemented default user ID for ya |
| 18:00.05 | ArcanePariah | observer* |
| 18:00.13 | ArcanePariah | its in latest ptr build |
| 18:00.32 | rtschutter | yeah I saw that |
| 18:00.35 | rtschutter | I requested it |
| 18:01.15 | ArcanePariah | For everyone else, they added more dependency support, extension mods now allow swarm/liberty multis to be used as dependencies |
| 18:01.52 | ArcanePariah | Also they made it so maps/mods can now depend on the latest version of mod from another account, not just your own |
| 18:02.03 | JademusSreg | Flargle. |
| 18:02.16 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10974057431#1 |
| 18:02.26 | ArcanePariah | I'll interpret Flargle as "Link please?" |
| 18:02.28 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 18:05.03 | rtschutter | Jade you ever finish that team colored effects thing? |
| 18:05.08 | rtschutter | I would love to see it |
| 18:05.17 | rtschutter | maybe I can replace some of my shitty version |
| 18:07.26 | JademusSreg | Not yet finished, needed to work on other stuff. =D |
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| 18:09.25 | Zolden | JademusSreg what defines which player's fog of war state a camera see? Is there a way to make one player's camera see map how it would be seen by another player? |
| 18:10.41 | JademusSreg | Nearly done, just need to get it into the unit actor's scope. While the tint message works fine, validating the player requirement needs to get into the scope-- wait, just had an insight into the solution, simpler than I had anticipated. |
| 18:11.30 | JademusSreg | Zol, you mean the way an observer might? |
| 18:12.33 | JademusSreg | Have you attempted disabling Alliance Status Vision with the player itself, and enabling Alliance Status Vision with the desired player? |
| 18:12.45 | Zolden | JademusSreg in my situation I'm simply setting unit's model camera rtt channel for a player. So, camera translates what it see. But fog of war state depends on the player, not on the unit-camera's owner |
| 18:14.26 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, Fog of War is very difficult to work with. |
| 18:14.32 | Zolden | JademusSreg I want only the camera to have vision, not the whole player. So, a camera would fly under the fog of war and translate a picture from there |
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| 18:15.29 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 18:16.16 | Zolden | would be a nice feature: a sout unit flying somwhere under fog of war and player can see what is going on overthere |
| 18:16.54 | JademusSreg | Well, revealing the actors, getting them to appear despite the fog of war, -is- doable. |
| 18:17.25 | Zolden | so, player won't see them, but camera will? |
| 18:18.33 | JademusSreg | It wouldn't be elegant, but attaching an actor region to the camera-supporting actor for the purpose of revealing units within the region, that's doable. |
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| 18:18.55 | JademusSreg | Unless a regional reveal is what you want. |
| 18:18.58 | ObsceneCereal | AHAHAHAHAHA blizzard completely left sc2mapster community out of their map night lineup hahaha |
| 18:19.16 | JademusSreg | Wait, what?! There's a sc2mapster community? |
| 18:19.26 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 18:19.46 | ObsceneCereal | yeah, you and I used to be part of it... you more than I |
| 18:20.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg yes, it's not very regional, I'd rather simply reveal the area, but it would make the idea useless, players would just see the situation as they usually do, instead of watching a picture from camera |
| 18:20.48 | ObsceneCereal | if you dont wanna reveal a region, you could always place a dummy unit that has vision. |
| 18:20.56 | ObsceneCereal | and than kill it |
| 18:20.57 | JademusSreg | Anyway, not much in the way of prominent streamcastertwitcherliveplayshoutersorwhatever, and it's by popular demand, |
| 18:21.02 | ArcanePariah | ??? ehh? We are doing EU mapnight as part of the arcade marathon right now... |
| 18:21.19 | ArcanePariah | Traysent is on host, me and G0A are playing along with Brazto |
| 18:21.46 | JademusSreg | Zol, yeah, Fog of War is just shitty in general. |
| 18:21.54 | ObsceneCereal | whats the channel ingame? |
| 18:21.58 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 18:23.11 | JademusSreg | I'll attend in a moment. Don't much feel like scripting shit atm, and could use some gameplay. |
| 18:23.32 | JademusSreg | But yeah, channel/group ino would be useful. |
| 18:23.36 | JademusSreg | *info |
| 18:23.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:23.54 | Zolden | could anyone ask Traysent about do they still read what ppl post in art tools feedback thread or it's deserted? |
| 18:24.11 | ObsceneCereal | The forums in general are long deserted |
| 18:24.26 | Zolden | it is true |
| 18:24.45 | ObsceneCereal | I learned a long itme ago there is a hidden forum where they post. open only to MVPs,Casters, and Pro players thats the only one they respond to |
| 18:25.09 | Zolden | but first art tools feedback thread was alive, there were replies and some suggestions were implemented in new art tools version |
| 18:25.09 | ObsceneCereal | Sixen is SUPPOSED to be our envoy :/ dunno if he post any or not though |
| 18:25.39 | ObsceneCereal | thats just waht I have been told from other pros and an mvp, though they could have been joking, but it sounds like something blizz would do |
| 18:26.13 | ObsceneCereal | I am about ready to quit hearthstone this shit is pissing me off |
| 18:26.21 | ObsceneCereal | I get 15-20 friend request from bots every day -_- |
| 18:33.29 | ObsceneCereal | I'm bored, anyone up for some evo-frenzy? |
| 18:36.48 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:41.48 | Zolden | ObsceneCereal it's like sayin "it's too hot here, let's fly to the sun" |
| 18:42.13 | ObsceneCereal | :( but evo-frenzy is like 10 minutes and kills boredom |
| 18:42.16 | ObsceneCereal | just hard to get a damn game started |
| 18:42.32 | Zolden | evo genre is boring for my taste |
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| 19:11.44 | ArcanePariah | Good evening Ahli |
| 19:15.42 | Ahli | good evening ArcanePariah |
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| 19:24.32 | ArcanePariah | If you are sober/awake, should come join the arcade marathon, we are on EU for the next 1.5 hours |
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| 19:33.45 | Ahli | I'm at that terrible terrible internet place called mother's home >_> |
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| 19:34.57 | Ahli | so, maybe later, but not right now... I'm altering interfaces instead |
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| 19:35.55 | Ahli | and I'm superdrunk in 30 hours... now I've socks hanging attached to the house... |
| 19:36.20 | Ahli | *will be |
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| 20:54.46 | JademusSreg | Garglenards. |
| 20:55.04 | Dustin|Work | Farfignuggle |
| 20:56.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:57.18 | Dustin|Work | Sup Jade :D |
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| 20:57.49 | Bounty | Pew |
| 20:57.58 | Dustin|Work | Bounty, sup |
| 20:58.05 | Bounty | n2m u |
| 20:58.06 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Dustin. Just got done playing on EU Arcade Christmas or whatever. |
| 20:58.39 | JademusSreg | Broke a battleships map call, strangely, Chrono Battle, yet there was no time travel. |
| 20:59.16 | Zolden | we live in a non-stop time travel, what else do you want |
| 20:59.28 | JademusSreg | Got my captain unit outside of the bounds, went to the other side of the map, and built towers on the cliffs behind the enemy base. |
| 21:02.06 | Dustin|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.46 | JademusSreg | Oh fun. |
| 21:05.15 | JademusSreg | I like automated unit testing, can't stand conferences. Or panels. Or anything with more dead air than useful information. |
| 21:08.32 | Dustin|Work | This one wasn't too bad, a couple of the speakers sucked, but we had 2 really good talks |
| 21:10.17 | Bounty | I'll be at the event tonight @8 est Jade |
| 21:10.28 | Bounty | They said they wanted to do a Bounty hour |
| 21:10.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:12.54 | JademusSreg | brb in 7 |
| 21:19.02 | Dustin|Work | Aaaaand 7 |
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| 21:19.15 | Dustin|Work | That's what I thought, Jade's a liar! |
| 21:21.43 | Zolden | maybe aliens sniped him |
| 21:22.00 | Zolden | it's not so easy to keep promices when you got sniped by alience, you know |
| 21:22.10 | Zolden | it doesn't make you a liar |
| 21:23.47 | Dustin|Work | You bring up a good point, we'll have to investigate to see if he was a liar or not now |
| 21:26.44 | DeadZergling | Sure they will be ready for an hour of Bounty? |
| 21:27.40 | Zolden | crap, I hate when my sweet ideas get destroyed against the impossibility of implementing them in the editor |
| 21:28.02 | DeadZergling | what, should be easy to decrease tank hps more Zolden :P |
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| 21:29.16 | Zolden | yes, there's no infinitesimals in editor |
| 21:45.54 | Bounty | I highly doubt that Dead |
| 21:46.03 | Bounty | and Dogmai talks a lot |
| 21:46.06 | Bounty | on this stream with Blizz |
| 21:46.08 | Zolden | why is eu map night group empty? |
| 21:46.14 | Bounty | Because they switched to NA |
| 21:46.17 | Zolden | where's everybody |
| 21:46.19 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/scmothership |
| 21:52.01 | DeadZergling | Tofu, feels claustraphobic. |
| 21:52.15 | Bounty | Thats because it is |
| 21:56.18 | Dustin|Work | Your moms vagina does not. |
| 21:57.10 | Bounty | Tofu Vag |
| 21:57.36 | Bounty | Tofugina |
| 21:57.40 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, apparently there are no kills in Tofu |
| 21:57.43 | DeadZergling | Only pwnage |
| 21:58.40 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 21:59.03 | Dustin|Work | Id play Tofu more if it's theme song was Killer Tofu from the show Doug. |
| 22:00.35 | DeadZergling | meh, still prefer quake2 |
| 22:00.59 | DeadZergling | at least it had varied death messages |
| 22:01.38 | Dustin|Work | Twich FPS will always be more fun than RTS deathmatch |
| 22:01.46 | Dustin|Work | Twitch |
| 22:03.31 | DeadZergling | Yea, FPS is made for deathmatch |
| 22:04.29 | DeadZergling | cool little thing anyways, maybe they'll do it again next year |
| 22:04.37 | DeadZergling | and maybe I'll fucking release by then |
| 22:04.53 | DeadZergling | I had another idea Bounty, lol |
| 22:06.16 | JademusSreg | Naw, I was mistaken; girls wanted to play outside. |
| 22:06.57 | DeadZergling | how old, JademusSreg ? |
| 22:08.37 | Bounty | 57 |
| 22:09.31 | DeadZergling | Another simple concept, Hungry Hungry Ultralisks |
| 22:20.35 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:21.26 | Zolden | gay gay queerlisk |
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| 22:53.09 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:53.35 | Dustin|Work | Welcome back |
| 22:53.40 | Dustin|Work | Im about to leave work :D |
| 23:01.16 | Zolden | Dustin|Home forever? |
| 23:02.08 | Zolden | map night was again full of arcadish maps |
| 23:02.17 | Zolden | why all want clicks for me |
| 23:14.13 | Zandose | so since last time i looked at this window has their been any updates on the RTT thing? |
| 23:19.19 | JademusSreg | Had a fun idea, wonder how long it would take to implement. |
| 23:19.28 | JademusSreg | "Newton Must Die". |
| 23:22.19 | Zandose | is it bad then my router says this under the DHCP Client Log? Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:18 received REQUEST from 68:09:27:01:c1:2b |
| 23:24.13 | JademusSreg | Players select their characters from an array of physicists and battle one another using powers which emulate their scientific contributions. |
| 23:24.40 | JademusSreg | And, of course, Sir Edward Newton is the final boss. |
| 23:25.40 | JademusSreg | *Issac |
| 23:25.56 | JademusSreg | I am so awesomely idiotic. =D |
| 23:28.18 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, today's comic is spot-fucking-on: http://xkcd.com/1306/ |
| 23:29.37 | JademusSreg | Zan, why would that be bad? =\ |
| 23:31.06 | JademusSreg | The router's system time was reset, had yet to sync its time, gets a connection request from the MAC address. |
| 23:31.29 | Zandose | Wed, 31 Dec 1969 |
| 23:32.54 | G0A | dammit |
| 23:33.00 | G0A | Random slide lagged like shit |
| 23:33.09 | G0A | with 10+ player and mouse tracking |
| 23:33.31 | G0A | I will need to switch to noobinthebox kind dialog tracking:D |
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| 23:35.53 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 23:36.25 | JademusSreg | I will devour your -code-. </evildeadreference> |
| 23:36.45 | JademusSreg | But seriously, wat's your setup? |
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| 23:56.01 | Zolden | JademusSreg Nobel will win in that game |
